On this week's episode of Triggered, we have an entire narrative reversal of everything we've been told about the events of January 6th, including the release of Tucker Carlson's new video of the events that took place that day, and why some of the most prominent members of the "protester" mob were let go. We talk to the family of slain Air Force vet, Ashley Babbitt, and the attorney representing many of the other people involved in the protest. We also talk about the possibility of a January 2023 show trial, and what it means for the future of journalism in the United States of America in the year 2023. This episode is brought to you by Activist Post and the Vigilante Project, and produced by Micah Vellian and Sarah Abdurrahman. Please consider pledging a small monthly support of $1.00 or more per month by clicking the link below. Don't forget to leave us a rating and a review of the show on Apple Podcasts! We'll be looking out for your support, and we'll try to bring you more episodes like this in the future. Thank you so much for all the support we've gotten over the past few months. We really appreciate it. - Your support has been so appreciated. We can't wait to do more of this! - Sarah, Sarah, and I'll be back with more episodes in the coming weeks. Thank you, Sarah - Caitie, Caitie Caitie: Sarah: - Thank you for all your support is so appreciated, Sarah: ) and we really means a lot to us. (Thank you for listening and supporting us Thankyou, Sarah :) - Sarah: Thank you and we appreciate you, much appreciate you. , . (PSA) Thanks for listening! (P. :D) ( ) (Caitie: ) Thank you Sarah:) - Thank You, Sarah's Dad: . . . (HAPPY JUICY! :P ( ) ( ) (Catch you, Thank you! , Thank you to you, Jon: ) - Jon:) - John: , Joseph McBride, , Julie Kelly: (?) & Julie Kelly, , and Mickey: ? (JAYE)
00:01:34.000It's hard to believe that the other side got away with it for so long.
00:01:39.000The other side literally added sounds and breaking glass and, you know, riot noise that didn't actually happen in the video that they showed Congress to try to drive home this narrative and vilify Patriotic Americans.
00:01:57.000They seemingly lied about the timing of people who they claimed had died at the hands of protesters that would fly in the face of all of that.
00:02:08.000They seem to be totally fine with people like Ray Epps lying to them about his whereabouts based on the video evidence.
00:02:17.000Why is it that certain people that seem like they were at least major instigators in all of this seem to be the people...
00:02:25.000Let go free, right? Just like, why is it that we don't hear anything?
00:02:29.000Doesn't even seem like they're making an effort to find the people that left bombs.
00:02:34.000Remember, we were told about the pipe bombs outside the DNC and the RNC. I'm sure they don't care about the RNC, but you know, because it's the Democrats, I figured they'd be looking at the DNC. And yet...
00:02:56.000Like, if there's nothing that they can turn into the insurrection, you know, then they'll talk about the bomber over at, you know, the DNC and the RNC. But, hmm.
00:03:08.000I guess they got what they wanted from the insurrection, right?
00:03:11.000They added a lot of video to make it sexy.
00:03:13.000Media, big tech, everyone ran with it blind.
00:03:16.000Therefore, that must have actually been what happened, even though it doesn't appear that way now.
00:03:23.000So, honestly, say what you guys want, but I gotta give props to Kevin McCarthy for starting to release this stuff.
00:03:28.000And eventually I want to see all of it for everyone, but, like, that we're getting this out is a big deal.
00:03:33.000So tonight's show's gonna be really interesting for that.
00:03:36.000We have Mickey. Mickey is Ashley Babbitt's mother.
00:03:41.000Ashley Babbitt, the Air Force vet, patriotic American, gunned down in cold blood, unarmed, In what I call the least investigated police shooting in the history of police shootings anywhere, not just in the United States, but literally anywhere, magically, it disappears.
00:04:01.000There's no talk about the officer who did this having...
00:04:07.000Like, gun violations and mishandling violations on his record?
00:04:11.000No, no. He's like a SEAL team commando, not like a careless schmuck, who, if you look at the video, which we will, would spell a very different story.
00:04:24.000But no, he was made into a hero, not a murderer.
00:04:28.000So we'll talk to Ashley Babbitt's mother.
00:04:31.000We'll talk to Joseph McBride, an attorney who I've gotten to know over the last few months, who's representing numerous January 6th defendants.
00:04:42.000And we'll talk about the living conditions that they face that would seem to be a violation of the Geneva Convention if they were terrorists.
00:04:53.000But I guess it's okay if you're in a D.C. jail and the judges are partisan bureaucrats who are going to do whatever the media and the Democrats tell them.
00:05:02.000I mean, it seems like everything is a show trial.
00:05:05.000So we'll hear about exactly that experience.
00:05:07.000The living conditions, the impossibility of getting a fair and just trial in the United States of America in the year 2023.
00:05:17.000And we'll talk to Julie Kelly, one of the only reporters, if not perhaps the only reporter, who's called like BS since moment number one on all of these things.
00:05:28.000So there's a lot to sort of break down here.
00:05:33.000You know, it's something I've been pretty vocal about for quite some time.
00:05:39.000But for me... It's easier to notice these things.
00:05:42.000Now, I guess after the last two, three years, we should all probably be much more skeptical of literally anything that we're told, right?
00:05:49.000I mean, the conspiracy theorists are batting 1,000, the educated people and the experts are batting about zero, or maybe they're batting 1,002 in the sense that they lie to you, they get what they want, They get the win.
00:06:05.000And then two years later, when it comes out, we say, see, I told you so.
00:06:08.000Rather than actually doing anything about it, we just, you know, we try to dunk on them on social, and I'm guilty of that myself.
00:06:16.000So what's really interesting is that, you know, Fox News broke the news about these videos, because they did it on Tucker Carlson, probably, you know, their most popular show.
00:06:27.000But it felt like everyone else in the media, including other people on that network, just ignored it.
00:06:39.000You'd think that after two years, if we were lied, especially given the sides and the political leanings of the people that were lied about and vilified and imprisoned, in my opinion, falsely, certainly for the vast majority of those people who were nonviolent offenders, that didn't seem to matter, but Maybe it's because the truth hurts.
00:07:01.000Maybe the establishment wanted to see this happen because it's a way to hurt Trump and his supporters and another attempt to try to kill that movement where they can be kind of conservative, but not really.
00:07:15.000We really want to be for the American working class, but not so much that we actually do something about China.
00:07:22.000So... It was a mistake, in my view, for Fox News to depict this in a way that's completely at variance with what our chief law enforcement official here at the Capitol thinks.
00:08:04.000Okay, let's not forget, the Capitol Police report to the Speaker of the House.
00:08:08.000They're not like another law enforcement agency.
00:08:11.000It's different. So they report directly at that time to Nancy Pelosi.
00:08:16.000So Mitch McConnell, the lead Republican in the Senate, wants you to believe the report that the leader of a partisan police agency, in my opinion, that reported directly to Nancy Pelosi.
00:09:39.000You mean the report that was, like, run on CNN? Just like, believe what they told you about COVID, and believe what they told you about Russia, Russia, Russia.
00:09:47.000Believe everything they tell you, folks.
00:09:49.000Do not believe what probably makes sense.
00:09:53.000Do not believe what you see with your own eyes.
00:10:03.000That we have Republicans like this representing us.
00:10:05.000It's ridiculous. And I know someone's going to criticize me because Mitch McConnell fell down over the weekend or yesterday or whatever it is.
00:10:13.000He'll be fine. He'll be back to doing a shitty job for Republicans soon.
00:10:39.000Frankly, these are the same people pushing...
00:10:42.000To release the 9-11 bombers and those actual terrorists probably more aggressively than they would good American people who perhaps got themselves in a bad situation or were taking selfies and lied about.
00:10:55.000Like Officer Brian Sitnik, who was apparently murdered, but the video that Tucker shows us doesn't seem like that.
00:11:08.000It's really sad to see Tucker Carlson go off the rails that bad.
00:11:13.000The American people saw what happened on January 6th.
00:11:17.000Oh really? So Tucker went off the rails by showing you video footage!
00:11:23.000That flies in the face of what these liars have told us for years.
00:11:27.000Honestly, I mean, it doesn't take the last six years for people to be skeptical of your political ruling class or politicians in general, but now Tucker's going off the rails.
00:11:36.000So what exactly about Tucker's story went off the rails?
00:11:39.000Tucker broke footage of Jason Chastely, who was, you know, the QAnon shaman, the guy, you know, in the Viking helmet, right?
00:11:49.000You know, he was supposedly taking over our government without weapons.
00:11:54.000If that guy could take over the government, we should stop worrying about China now, because it would take him about a millisecond to do so.
00:12:03.000But the footage actually shows that the QAnon shaman was being escorted around by Capitol Police.
00:12:11.000Here's CNN explaining how the non-violent Chansley deserves the same time as someone who punched a cop in the face.
00:12:21.000Watch for yourself. This is CNN Breaking News.
00:12:27.000We do have breaking news into CNN. One of the key figures in the Capitol insurrection, the so-called QAnon shaman, has been sentenced now in federal court.
00:12:36.000Let's get back over to CNN's Whitney Wilde, who's been tracking all of this.
00:12:40.000She's outside the courtroom in Washington.
00:12:42.000Whitney, what are you hearing from the judge?
00:12:46.000The judge has now sentenced Jacob Chansley, also known as the QAnon shaman, to 41 months in prison with 36 months of supervised release.
00:12:54.000This is a remarkable case for a list of reasons.
00:12:56.000He was the most notable figure throughout this insurrection.
00:13:00.000He's the man who was walking through the Senate chambers with a bullhorn, with face paint, with fur.
00:13:05.000He is not convicted of a violent crime.
00:13:07.000So this is why this 41 months in prison is so significant.
00:13:10.000Kate, the Department of Justice had asked for 51 months in prison, the judge obviously giving slightly less than that, but it is about comparable to what he, or exactly, rather exactly comparable to what he gave another man who was sentenced last week in his very same courtroom.
00:13:25.000For a violent crime, for punching a police officer.
00:16:53.000Stalin would be embarrassed with the way that these people Have been treated.
00:16:59.000These convictions should all be thrown out.
00:17:01.000Because this isn't the way our legal system functions in the United States of America, unless we're that broken.
00:17:07.000Which, honestly, if you watch this stuff, and you see what's going on, and you wonder how it took two years plus for this stuff to get out, it's absolutely disgusting.
00:17:17.000Not only should the DOJ be ashamed of themselves, but so should the press, who were more than happy to run with the DNC talking points.
00:18:32.000And the fake news politicized the legal system, took advantage of being in a partisan area to drive and bring forth a narrative of everything they've ever wanted, crapping on patriotic Americans everywhere.
00:18:47.000A man is in prison for no good reason.
00:18:50.000But again, folks, it gets worse than that.
00:18:53.000And then we'll hear about that very shortly when we interview Ashley Babbitt's mother.
00:18:58.000Again, the only person shot by the police on this day murdered, in my opinion, in cold blood by a guy with Let's just say less than stellar gun handling records who was then turned into a hero.
00:19:13.000We're going to hear about those living conditions in a second as we go live with Ashley Babbitt's mom, Mickey, as we go live with Joe McBride, attorney for numerous J6 defendants, and Julie Kelly, again, one of the few people in media Who had the guts to call BS from moment number one.
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00:23:04.000Ashley Babbitt's mother, Joe McBride, Julie Kelly.
00:23:07.000I think we're going to have an awesome conversation.
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00:24:12.000Thank you, Speaker McCarthy, for hooking us up.
00:24:14.000Yeah, listen, I think that was a big deal.
00:24:15.000It was one of the things. Kevin McCarthy was like my first actual guest on the podcast.
00:24:20.000And it was funny. We got to talking so long.
00:24:23.000But after that, he's like, yeah, I'm actually going to do that.
00:24:25.000The Democrats were playing games, even letting him, the Speaker of the House, get the video.
00:24:29.000But behind the scenes, we were talking about it.
00:24:31.000So it's awesome to see him following through to make sure that the people representing these people, many of whom Just total non-violent offenders have been denied due process forever.
00:24:44.000We also have Julie Kelly, journalist, who's been really the leader attacking this stuff publicly, calling out the insanity, being willing to go against, again, the media narrative.
00:24:55.000You've been vilified, you've been put down, probably canceled in many respects.
00:24:59.000And like so many of those who are willing to go to that edge, I think you've been at least vindicated in the eyes of truth and justice, although probably not within the mainstream media.
00:25:14.000It's interesting. I have not gotten a lot of the backlash that I was expecting, because when you deal with facts and you deal with truth, and you're, I think, fighting for the right cause, which not just...
00:25:28.000The Constitution and rule of law, but for innocent lives that are being destroyed, you know, it's not, I guess, you're not as easy of a target, I think.
00:25:40.000So, but it wouldn't matter anyway, because I feel honored to be doing the work that I'm doing.
00:25:46.000Well, I mean, you're doing yeoman's work that's, I mean, incredibly important.
00:25:49.000Then we're going to have Mickey Witkoff, who's actually Ashley Babbitt's mother, just A terrible case.
00:25:58.000Perhaps the only police involved shooting that's never even had a seemingly investigation.
00:26:02.000They came with a rubber stamp conclusion.
00:26:04.000A guy with numerous, or at least that I've read, Gun handling violations turned into a hero when, you know, someone like me who knows a little bit about it is looking at the video and saying, like, what are you talking about?
00:26:17.000This is some of the most flagrant, just bad, let's call it bad policing, bad firearms handling, totally unnecessary from everything that we've seen, and yet...
00:26:29.000He's been made a hero, instead of being prosecuted, as any other police officer in America would have been.
00:26:38.000Because, again, because it fit the narrative.
00:26:41.000So, we're going to have her on in a little bit.
00:26:48.000What do Americans need to know about what's going on on the J6 aftermath to these people that maybe they don't even know yet?
00:26:56.000America needs to know that there is a partisan witch hunt that is going on right now.
00:27:01.000That if you are, in particular, a white Christian man or woman who supports Donald Trump or who supports the Republican Party, that you are the target of the FBI and the Department of Justice.
00:27:13.000Don, this is the first time in the history of our wonderful country that the party who's currently in power is hunting down members of the opposition party for political dissidents.
00:27:22.000This needs to stop. Power will soon change hands and we are at the precipice of falling into political tribalism if people don't come to their senses now.
00:27:31.000So talk about, Julie, some of those examples.
00:27:33.000You've spoken with so many of these people.
00:27:57.000Like, you know, they knew and then you say, well yeah, my dad did ask, you know, Nancy Pelosi,
00:28:01.000let's have National Guard just in case. Like, let's do these things. No, no, we don't want that.
00:28:04.000Like, in what world was this not sort of a pre-planned example? I mean, I always talk about
00:28:11.000you have the bomber, you know, at the RNC and the DNC. Like, like...
00:28:16.000It's like they got what they wanted out of J6. We're not even going to talk about the bombers anymore.
00:28:20.000That was almost like if they didn't get what they wanted in the other thing, they had another narrative to go to to make sure that no matter what happened, they got to the end result of what they wanted to vilify this group of Americans.
00:28:32.000Well, it was interesting this week, Bret Baier interviewed Christopher Wray, and he was directly asked about the pipe bomb investigation, and Chris Wray tap-danced around it.
00:28:44.000What's interesting to learn about the pipe bomber is not only did it prompt the first wave of evacuations, it enabled law enforcement to go to two different communication systems.
00:28:56.000Now you know this as a defense attorney.
00:28:58.000You've heard some of the communications.
00:29:00.000They played some of it on January 6th.
00:29:04.000So the question is what was happening on that other channel?
00:29:08.000But also he was asked directly about the use of FBI informants, undercover assets, which we know is a fact.
00:29:16.000And he still won't answer that question.
00:29:18.000What was interesting this week, Don, is a Rasmussen poll that came out that showed 80% of Americans want all of the secret videos released to the public.
00:29:30.00061%, including almost a majority of Democrats, think that federal agents were involved in provoking what happened on January 6th.
00:29:39.000So, As all this evidence is being covered up, and as Joe talked about in a motion this week, DOJ just suddenly came up with this huge trove of discovery evidence, put it on its platform that's been hiding for two years.
00:29:54.000That continues to raise questions in people's minds.
00:29:57.000As it should, but the mainstream media is still not covering it.
00:30:01.000They took the DNC talking points, just like, rubber stamp it, this is fact.
00:30:08.000Whether it had anything to do with fact or not, that's what they're running with.
00:30:11.000You're one of the few people talking about it.
00:30:14.000Mainstream media, they may not like conservatives, but like, you'd think that this is a big story.
00:30:19.000If this is going on, the origins of it, the cover up of it, when you're now seeing all the video, where were the journalists even, you know, if the case was so good, why weren't they clamoring for the Democrats to release the video?
00:30:31.000They're actually screaming at Kevin McCarthy for releasing it.
00:30:35.000I mean, who doesn't want transparency?
00:30:37.000Because I was told that when Joe White, this would be the most transparent administration in American history, which is bullshit, just like, It was the most safe, secure election in American history, but also only a talking point, no actual evidence other than them.
00:30:49.000We say it, therefore it must be, even if you have sort of first-time mass mail-in ballot.
00:30:54.000I mean, by any reasonable standard, it would clearly not be the case.
00:30:58.000But if we say it, it is therefore the gospel.
00:31:01.000Mainstream media will take it and run with it.
00:31:03.000Big tech will run with it. And if you say otherwise, you'll be censored, canceled, put down, oppressed.
00:31:29.000We can never surrender. They are betting on the fact that the American public will bend.
00:31:34.000They are betting on the fact that defense attorneys, that journalists, that people in politics will give up and will say, hey, this just isn't worth it.
00:32:10.000You're right. Perhaps the scariest thing that I saw out of COVID was not the disease or what happened.
00:32:18.000It was the sheepishness Of the American public, to just go along, to just trust me.
00:32:28.000Now again, I have the benefit of having been on the wall, flying on the wall for six years, that Russia, Russia, Russia hoax, let's call it the second biggest target of the entire full force of the Democrat Party and their associates in big tech and mainstream media.
00:32:43.000So maybe I get it, but Man, a lot of us, even people on our side sort of went along and were in fear and were like, you know, yes, if someone passes gas, I can still smell it, but the mask is saving me from my microvirus.
00:32:58.000I'm like, I don't like, it doesn't check out.
00:33:03.000So, you know, how do we get through that?
00:33:05.000I agree with your point, Don, and I think that your average, freedom-loving American citizen views government from a viewpoint of skepticism.
00:33:14.000The founding fathers of this country said that government is a necessary evil.
00:33:18.000It should be small, it should be limited, but power should ultimately rest with the people.
00:33:22.000Now, these other people that you're talking about who look at the government as a god,
00:33:25.000who look at the government as daddy, that's not the spirit of American exceptionalism
00:33:49.000I had a reputation back in New York for doing good criminal defense work.
00:33:52.000Long story short, I became a lawyer because my brother Anthony was wrongfully convicted of a crime he did not commit.
00:33:59.000I went to college and then law school in response to that travesty that hit my family.
00:34:03.000So when Richard Barnett, who had his feet up on Speaker Pelosi's desk, came calling, I took the case on Asher Wednesday of 2021, got him out, and people said, hey, this guy's not so bad, and I sort of picked up steam going forward from that point on.
00:34:18.000Julie, when did you get involved in sort of all of this, and what sort of put up your hackles to...
00:34:26.000I thought it was the most absurd thing that I've ever seen.
00:34:30.000It's like literally the first unarmed insurrection in the history of the world.
00:34:33.000I'm like, I don't understand. I feel like, I don't know, there's probably, not that I would condone any of this, but I was like, if you're really doing that, you're probably not showing up like that, right?
00:34:44.000One was, after the year of 2020, lockdowns, race riots, the stolen election, All unprosecuted, by the way, right?
00:34:54.000Those are social justice warriors because, you know, nothing says looting a Gucci store like doing it in the name of social justice, right?
00:35:04.000I don't know how, but that's what I'm told.
00:35:06.000It was one of the most turbulent years in American history.
00:35:09.000And so my thought was, if this is the worst that's happening, people climbing on scaffolding, breaking a few windows, the government is lucky that that's all that happened because of all of the trauma that was caused in 2020.
00:35:21.000And then watching it, and I saw people who I found out later were Jacob Chansley.
00:35:46.000That's what I tweeted. I'm like, I'd pick that guy over.
00:35:48.000I'll take my chances. I'll take my chances.
00:35:50.000So I just didn't have the same reaction.
00:35:53.000And I mean, we're talking overreaction by 95% of the right.
00:35:57.000Influencer. The same thing that I saw in COVID. So anyway, it just didn't make sense to me, so I started following it.
00:36:03.000But what really caught my eye was what the government started doing right away, and that was seeking pretrial detention, meaning denying bail for nonviolent.
00:36:12.000Coy Griffin, the Cowboys for Trump guy, who didn't even go inside the building, was ordered, denied bail, ordered to pretrial detention.
00:36:20.000So my first article was February 4th, 2021.
00:36:23.000And it was called America's Political Prisoners.
00:36:25.000Well, you wrote a book about it, right?
00:36:30.000Yes. So it really details the background leading up to January 6th, what happened on January 6th, and then the consequences of what the Department of Justice, DHS, FBI, Local law enforcement have been doing to these people.
00:36:43.000Now almost 1,000 total criminal defendants with promises to bring that total to 2,000.
00:36:48.000It's still going, meaning like they don't have them yet, but they're going to figure out someone else that was jaywalking.
00:36:53.000They just arrested someone again yesterday.
00:36:58.000Explain the conditions of how these people are being treated, Joe.
00:38:16.000You have people going to bat for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his treatment after taking down the World Trade Center.
00:38:21.000That's right. But no one's willing to go to bat for these people that have been sitting in jail.
00:38:26.000Many of them. Nonviolent offenders that have been treated by our own standards in an inhumane fashion.
00:38:32.000That if we were a third world banana republic, we'd be like...
00:38:36.000This is bullshit, and we're going to intervene.
00:38:38.000You know, Don, no one's been charged with insurrection, but that term has been used against January 6th for the specific purpose of creating a sub-constitutional class of people.
00:39:52.000They're violating their oath of office, which is to protect the rights of a defendant, especially due process and the presumption of innocence.
00:39:59.000Completely gone. I know a little bit about this because, let's just say, the nonsense they've thrown at my family or business in the Southern District of New York, they're like, hey, why not go after Trump?
00:40:10.000We're going to have either juries or judges that are 100% on our side.
00:40:14.000There's no downside to persecuting your political enemies because you have a political climate that's so heavily weighted one way, there's literally no risk.
00:42:02.000What does the path to justice for these people look like?
00:42:08.000And maybe there's not even at this point, because it's gone so far that they're so far past what would have been a reasonable punishment, even for the, let's call it the worst offenders two years later.
00:42:20.000What does that look like, and is it even realistic?
00:42:23.000You know, what I told people when they first started reaching out to me in 2021, because no one was covering it, they had nowhere to turn, they were abandoned by their families, their neighbors, their churches, everyone that they relied, their support system was completely gone.
00:42:36.000And I would tell them, the truth is going to come out because I covered Russiagate also.
00:42:41.000I knew that even though it would take time that this would come out, I said it won't take as long as Russiagate because what Russiagate didn't have was video.
00:42:50.000What we have for January 6th is video.
00:42:52.000If you had video of Christopher Steele and Glenn Simpson meeting with the oars, you know, if you had that video...
00:43:00.000People would have to come to terms with the reality of it.
00:43:05.000We have body cam footage that shows police brutality.
00:43:08.000We have surveillance video that shows what happened inside and outside.
00:43:12.000And there are more documents that are coming out.
00:43:14.000What's happening in the trials is the revelations about numerous FBI informants who were run into groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers months before January 6th.
00:43:24.000So all of this is irrefutable evidence.
00:43:29.000No one was held accountable, as you know better than anyone.
00:43:32.000That brought us to the acceleration of the weaponization of DOJ. But the truth, I think, is going to come quicker, more impactful, and be even more shocking to the American people than even what we found out about Russiagate.
00:43:46.000I'm hoping if anything comes out of this...
00:43:49.000The overreach, the flagrant, meaning there's almost nothing you can do for the...
00:43:53.000You can still fight for it now, but you can't remedy.
00:43:56.000Right. Not much, but hopefully it forces a change in the system and the change perhaps the American people, the way they look at things, that their own people would be treated.
00:44:07.000I talk about this a lot, sort of like, hey, if they can do it to a guy like me with Russia, Russia, Russia, like, who can't they do it to?
00:44:13.000But more importantly, who won't they do it to?
00:44:16.000I at least have the ability to fight back, whether it's financially.
00:44:20.000Whether it's with a big platform, whether it's with friends in powerful places that can at least help level the playing field against rather insurmountable differences.
00:44:31.000But for those people, we need to do a lot more.
00:44:34.000What does it look like for you, Joe? Someone, a nonviolent offender that's been held in solitary confinement or on the brink of or in and out of for two years, What does justice look like for that person?
00:44:47.000Right now, justice for them is meaningful representation.
00:44:51.000It's knowing that people like you and people like Julie Kelly care.
00:44:54.000It's knowing that people from the American public are praying and are giving from the little that they have to support these people.
00:44:59.000It's knowing that lawyers who actually care are in court, fighting for you, taking the hits, taking the public criticism that comes along with it, dealing with judges and a government that hates them, standing up for you.
00:45:11.000At some point, the dynamic will shift.
00:45:14.000At some point, society and history will look back at this time, and it'll look at this time as a time where civil liberties were thrown out the window, and it'll say, who stood up?
00:45:24.000Who are the people? Who can be counted among you who stood up during that time?
00:45:28.000And it'll be the lawyers, and it'll be the people like you and Julie, and it'll be those guys who are currently rotting away in jail who will be the heroes and not the villains when this story is finished.
00:45:37.000Well, with that, I think what we're going to do is we're going to bring on...
00:45:40.000We're going to switch out, yes. Julie, thank you so much for being here.
00:45:43.000Guys, go check out her book, January 6th, How Democrats Used the Capitol Protest to Launch a War on Terror Against the Political Right, because that's what it was.
00:45:50.000And I look forward to it. Your social game is great, so keep it up and we'll keep fighting.
00:45:54.000Thanks so much, Julie. Okay, guys, so now we're back.
00:45:59.000We wanted to talk a little bit further about January 6th and perhaps...
00:46:04.000The biggest moment for me on all of that, watching that, was what happened to your daughter, Mickey.
00:46:10.000This is Mickey Wyckoff. She's Ashley Babbitt's mother, the mother of the only person shot at January 6th and murdered, in my opinion, and probably anyone else who has a brain and has seen the video, in absolute insanity.
00:46:28.000I would say the most uninvestigated police shooting In the history of these shootings.
00:46:36.000Mickey, tell us a little bit about your story, what's going on since then, the trials and tribulations, because honestly, I can't even imagine how brutal that must be for you.
00:46:46.000It is brutal. Today is day 785 without a proper investigation into the murder of my daughter, into the death of Roseanne Boylan, Kevin Griesen, and Benjamin Phillips, who are names that most American public doesn't know.
00:46:59.000Roseanne Boylan was beat to death by Officer Leela Morris from the Metropolitan Police Office.
00:47:04.000One of them actually, a doctor was actually administering aid, and that person was pulled off.
00:47:10.000That was Ashley. There was a doctor administering aid to Ashley.
00:47:13.000He was thrown down the hallway and has recently been charged.
00:47:15.000But we do have up to a dozen men in jail behind trying to save Roseanne Boylan.
00:47:21.000And the police were beating her to death.
00:47:24.000It's a human obligation to try to prevent murder.
00:47:26.000And it doesn't matter if the perpetrator is wearing a uniform.
00:47:29.000But instead of being charged criminally, these people have been...
00:47:31.000Michael Byrd was put up at Andrews Air Force Base at the expense of the taxpayers' dollars and treated like a king.
00:47:37.000Lila Morris was taken to the Super Bowl and promoted.
00:47:41.000You know, Officer Bagshaw, who beat the shit out of Victoria White in the tunnel, he was promoted.
00:47:45.000He was involved in an off-duty shooting of an American citizen afterwards and was not investigated for that.
00:47:52.000So the D.C. cesspool is absolutely a cover-up of so many things.
00:47:55.000You know, we have January 6th defendants sitting in jail being denied their constitutional rights that they fought for.
00:48:00.000There are many, many, many veterans in there that fought for this country and had the absolute right to be there that day when the still sitting president of the United States of America, Donald Trump, called Americans to the Capitol and they came two million strong.
00:48:13.000What we should be looking at is why the hell were they there?
00:48:15.000We know why they were there, you know, because we know that election was...
00:48:18.000I don't know if we can even say that on your show, but we know there were problems with the election.
00:48:33.000I'm a father. I have five young kids, and I... I couldn't even imagine.
00:48:38.000I mean, I do love that you're out and fighting.
00:48:41.000Thank you. And trying to create a voice for your daughter, who's a veteran herself, who's been since vilified.
00:48:48.000And again, while someone to me that looked like borderline incompetent with a firearm is treated as a great hero, like, you know, like he's on a SEAL team.
00:48:56.000It's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
00:48:59.000But again, so few are willing to even have the conversation that it's just, well, that's what's there, so it must be fact.
00:49:14.000This country lost a great woman that day.
00:49:16.000And we have jailed some of the best of us.
00:49:18.000You know, when you think about the people that showed up in D.C. that day, those were the Americans that were willing to go stand up for you and for me and for Joe.
00:49:25.000I wasn't there. But I think, you know, for every person that was there, 2 million strong, there were 10 people at home that felt like they should have been there.
00:49:31.000Even in hindsight, even in hindsight, I would go knowing what happened.
00:49:35.000But, you know, There's nothing I can...
00:49:38.000Ashley Babbitt would tell you don't be sad for her, be brave for her.
00:49:41.000So we do need to be brave for her and for everybody that's still suffering, for Roseanne's family and for Kevin and Benjamin and Officer Brian Signick, who we believe died as a result of neglect that day.
00:49:51.000But, you know, we do need to take this country back one step at a time.
00:49:55.000Be brave. Do what you can on a local level.
00:49:57.000Call somebody, tell somebody, you know, whatever you feel like you could do as an American citizen.
00:50:01.000We need to stand up and take this country back.
00:50:24.000I know actually one of the members of my team, actually production team on this thing, working on a documentary called Due Process Denied.
00:50:33.000Right. Which obviously has to do with your daughter and frankly a lot of the other January 6th people who have been treated in a way that I imagine no other American has ever been treated.
00:50:45.000I imagine if the parties or the races were reversed in your daughter's shooting, people would be in jail for it, not...
00:51:30.000A lot of them have been to anti-Trump rallies, and they still, the judge guides them along in the process, too.
00:51:35.000They would gladly bastardize the law and the Constitution to achieve their political ends.
00:51:40.000I mean, talk about that, Joe, because, again, you've probably seen more of it than anyone, and I imagine you and your friends have been exposed.
00:51:46.000So Don, you know, when you think about January 6th, January 6th did not happen in the vacuum.
00:51:51.000Everybody who showed up to the Capitol that day was well aware of the two prior years of protests in this country.
00:52:08.000The permissible conduct, sometimes the occasional fracturing of a law for political purposes, expanded, obviously, when you had the vice president of the United States bailing people out in Minnesota.
00:52:20.000Well, this could actually be good to prevent COVID. I'm like, you mean mass gathering of maskless people is good under your guidance?
00:52:27.000Well, for social justice, it's like science...
00:52:33.000Biology, virology just stops being if it's for social justice, but only one way of social justice, to the left.
00:52:41.000If it was to the right, that's a problem, and all of a sudden math gatherings are bad, and that's a super spreader event, and we've seen it all, right?
00:52:50.000There's no better example than people crossing the threshold of the Capitol building to peacefully protest inside and a woman who is an Air Force veteran who's standing there at the door.
00:53:01.000There's violence happening around her.
00:53:05.000We know she was small. We know she had no criminal record.
00:53:08.000We know she was a good person. We know that she was unarmed.
00:53:11.000And maybe she just wanted to talk to the people on the other side of that door and said, hey, you know, let's everybody just calm this down.
00:53:16.000But what did they do? They executed her.
00:53:17.000They shot her in cold blood for the whole world to see, and nothing has been done about it.
00:53:22.000You know, when I think about Mickey, I think about the mother of Jesus.
00:54:38.000You think there's equal justice under the law?
00:54:41.000It was maybe three feet of a four-lane road, which they blocked off four lanes.
00:54:46.000We would have been five minutes, you know, lay a rose and go, and they chose to block the street off for a half an hour off four lanes so they could, you know, arrest me.
00:54:54.000Well, I saw it. They did the same thing.
00:54:56.000It was all optics, but a couple weeks ago, around the State of the Union, you know, they put up the fence.
00:55:03.000They're not even going to tune in to watch this imbecile give his State of the Union.
00:55:31.000It's entrapment by a stop. But listen, when the President of the United States says, walk peacefully over to the Capitol and have your voices heard, and then people turn around and they look at Constitution and they look at Pennsylvania Avenue, and you have parade routes like the Giants and the Yankee Super Bowls, the inference is those routes are there for people to walk over.
00:55:48.000It's literally designed for that purpose.
00:56:01.000There's no victory at this point, in my opinion, because we can't bring back your daughter.
00:56:08.000But what would be your goal if you could accomplish something with everything that you're doing, fighting out there for these people now?
00:56:14.000Well, we need an actual investigation into January 6th.
00:56:18.000And I say justice for Ashley is justice for all because I believe my daughter is at the pinnacle of the crime of the century, which is a stolen election.
00:56:25.000And I know that Ashley would be standing with all these men behind bars.
00:56:29.000That's why I'm here. So I don't know what over will look like for me, but I guess I'll know when it happens.
00:56:36.000But I just want to... You know, Ashley went down swinging, and I'm so proud to be her mother because she literally...
00:56:42.000Left-hooked the man that broke the window before she went up into it.
00:56:45.000She sure did. Yeah, well, that's what people don't understand.
00:56:48.000Like, talk about that. You know, I had Marjorie Taylor Greene on, on the show a couple weeks ago, and, like, she was talking about, like, there's video of her actually pushing back someone that was probably acting a little bit more violent.
00:58:10.000So for the world to know that would be part of my justice, part of it.
00:58:15.000I think that's an important part, I hope.
00:58:17.000Listen, Joe, in your fight, obviously representing these guys, you know, What can other people do?
00:58:24.000Obviously you can donate, but are there ways for people to step in and help these guys?
00:58:28.000Are there other lawyers like yourself who've sort of taken in some of these cases?
00:58:32.000You're a busy guy, but how do we get these guys, try to get them the due process that, in my opinion, has been denied to them by their government?
00:58:40.000Again, if I'm seeing nonviolent offenders that are in jail and hurry about even solitary confinement for a few hours, let alone a few years, It's a serious problem.
00:58:49.000Again, in a third-world country, we would have people on their pulpits in Washington, D.C. yelling about people they've never seen, never heard of.
00:59:42.000How do we get them out of these jails so they can tell their stories and tell the American people themselves just how mistreated they have been?
00:59:50.000So with regard to telling stories, you have documentaries like Due Process Denied that is being made.
01:00:32.000If you do that, The ripple effect will be great.
01:00:35.000If you continue to be afraid, if you continue to let them closet you, if you continue to let them put you in a psychological gulag, the war is lost.
01:00:43.000Your freedom of thought and the words that come out of your mouth matter.
01:01:01.000That's right. Okay, again, they can take out my father.
01:01:04.000I used it in my speech. They can take out the most powerful man in America if he's the only guy out there, because they channel all their power, power, and they can make it happen.
01:01:12.000Imagine if you're just a regular citizen.
01:01:14.000But if we all band together, that's a lot harder.
01:01:17.000But, Joe, I want to talk about the January 6th committee, because it seems that was established, right, to protect the Capitol and security, but it became...
01:01:27.000So much more bastardized than that, and just a furtherance of a witch hunt.
01:01:34.000Like, we didn't get them in January with Russia, Russia, Russia, so let's make it that, when that wasn't necessarily the stated purpose of it.
01:01:40.000Talk about that, both from what you saw from a perspective of these prisoners, but also just from a perspective of the way law actually works and the insanity of it.
01:02:10.000And he donated to Michael Byrd's Give and Go.
01:02:12.000I'm sure he did. The object was to target former President Trump to hold him out as the poster child for the quote-unquote insurrection that happened that day.
01:02:22.000They failed miserably in their goals, and they'll continue to fail miserably in that goal because it's just factually not true.
01:02:30.000And they also went after people in Congress, people in the private industry, in the workplace, to accuse them Of being involved in something that actually never happened so as to get banks to disenfranchise them, to get employers to leave them, and to drain their bank accounts and to ruin their name in the marketplace.
01:02:47.000And the primary purpose with regard to affecting the January 6th cases currently being prosecuted by the Department of Justice was to poison the jury pool.
01:02:56.000If you watched that for months, if you're a D.C. resident, the combination of the January 6th committee and Joe Biden giving a speech where he tells the world that MAGA Republicans are an extremist threat to society 32 times.
01:03:09.000That's such an important point that's overlooked.
01:03:12.000Maybe you're not watching this stuff in your hometown in Iowa.
01:03:17.000But if you're a D.C. resident, and this is going on, and this is local news, all day long, you have a totally partisan committee saying these things as though it's the gospel, right?
01:03:27.000You had Joe Biden say all these, you know, and Hillary and the Democrats, Trump's a traitor, he's working for Russia.
01:03:33.000Eventually, like, maybe there's something to it.
01:03:36.000Now, in D.C., given the political leanings, it probably doesn't take all that much persuasion to get them to believe that, but...
01:03:42.000I mean, I never even thought of it that way, but, I mean, it makes total sense that that entire thing could be designed to sort of...
01:03:48.000It absolutely was....get the result that they wanted to...
01:03:52.000They did it to Kyle Rittenhouse, right, when they were sending the media after the jury vans.
01:03:57.000Like, that doesn't happen. But if you intimidate the jury, maybe you turn that one guy to make sure that, you know, the pedophile that beat him or tried to beat him or let him get shot, like, that's the victim, not...
01:04:15.000Like when Victoria White came and she got in trouble for going to the Rayburn building and seeing her congressional members, it was because those were the people that she perpetrated her crime against.
01:04:24.000Victoria White weighs about 100 pounds.
01:06:12.000If we were sent out, if those guys lived and they were being tried and we were sent out in 2002 to be on that jury, would we give them a fair trial?
01:06:26.000But again, I feel like there's more people batting for those that are still at Guantanamo Bay, trying to get them freedom, trying to make sure they don't have the death penalty.
01:06:41.000Yeah, January 6th was the biggest attack ever.
01:06:43.000Yeah. Oh no, I've read it worse than Pearl Harbor and worse than 9-11.
01:06:48.000And Civil War. And again, if you say that, you're not a serious person.
01:06:52.000You're not a serious person, and yet you know the media is going to give you coverage.
01:06:56.000You'll get invited on CNN. If you're an Adam Kinzinger, you can do that.
01:07:00.000You take that stance. You push it really hard, and you'll get a paid job at CNN because you couldn't get elected to represent your people anymore.
01:07:07.000But, you know, American citizens need to know, this was the gun-toting populace of the United States of America that showed up that day in D.C. and nobody brought a gun.
01:07:15.000You know, so it was the most poorly planned...
01:07:17.000Yeah, no, there's people who really felt strongly about something and wanted to make their voice heard, which I think is a basic tenet of America and our First Amendment.
01:07:24.000Yes. Which, under these administrations, under the new Democrat laws, under big tech, is on the table.
01:07:33.000Absolutely. And it's not for us, I don't think.
01:07:36.000No way. And that's why it's so important to engage.
01:07:39.000It's why we have to have these conversations.
01:07:41.000It's why so many of us at home that sit and watch this may agree with us 100%, but like, man, they're not going to say anything at school meetings.
01:07:48.000We need to all sort of be willing to get out of our comfort zone a little bit.
01:07:53.000Whether it's run for office, and not even big office, like run for your school board.
01:07:57.000So they can't indoctrinate your children so that we don't have to try to undo 20 years of programming, of bullshit.
01:08:06.000We've always taken this laissez-faire approach of, well, we're busy and we have jobs.
01:08:10.000Well, the other side's great. Sit it out.
01:08:12.000I got this. And, you know, people that have no intention of having children are going to be on school boards deciding what to do with your children and indoctrinating them and, you know.
01:08:21.000Not allowed to use the word grooming them anymore, but whether it's grooming them for certain purposes or others, grooming them in the eyes of what they want.
01:08:29.000You know, one person can make a difference.
01:08:31.000And that's just, that's not a hyperbolic statement.
01:08:49.000The allegiances should be made according to who's best to run our country, who's best to run our local officials, our local officers, our school boards.
01:08:56.000And we need to go to political war against an opposition incursion that is trying to eviscerate the spirit of freedom in this great country.
01:09:29.000We're making trillion-dollar decisions in Ukraine right now, and maybe we're making those decisions because they have something that they're holding over the Bidens.
01:09:36.000And our media won't even ask the question.
01:09:38.000But I'm the terrible human being, so I get it to a smaller extent.
01:09:41.000But again, if they can do it, what they did to your daughter, get away with it.
01:09:46.000If they can do what they've done to us and get away with it, we have to wake up and understand just how far they're willing to take it.
01:10:08.000Yeah. Or, you know, I talked about this in my speech at CPAC. It's, you know, hey, we want same-day elections with paper ballots and ID. That's great.
01:10:19.000We can't get that until we win enough power in the state's legislatures, not just have a bunch of weak Republicans that are worried about being protested at their homes, worried about the social consequence that fold.
01:10:28.000Like, we can get that, but we have to win first.
01:10:31.000The only way we can actually win today is by playing the game on their turf.
01:10:35.000They have the advantage. They have laid that battlefield.
01:10:38.000They have weaponized COVID to do just that.
01:10:40.000They have the big tech machine behind them.
01:10:43.000They have mainstream media behind them.
01:10:44.000They have trillion dollar industries behind them.
01:10:46.000But I truly believe for the first time in maybe American history, the conservative side actually sort of has We're winning the battle of hearts and minds and logic and people are starting to see it.
01:11:04.000We have to be involved. We have to play the game on their terms till we win and then we can install rational policies that make sense for the future.
01:11:13.000Amen, Don. Well, I just want to say before we go that I have faith in the American people because America's not a soil, it's a spirit.
01:11:21.000And the people that founded this country are made of tough stuff, and I think that that'll shine through.
01:11:27.000And, you know, the 14,000 hours of footage we weren't allowed to see, there's enough crowdsourced footage that American people have really risen to the occasion.
01:11:34.000And I think that, you know, that we're not going to have it.
01:11:36.000And also, just until they murdered my daughter, I didn't realize the Capitol Police are not actually a police force or a separate arm of Congress, and they don't answer to FOIA, they're not transparent.
01:11:44.000And they have no external review system.
01:11:47.000That doesn't shock me at all, unfortunately.
01:11:48.000No, but I think that people should know that because I don't think as Americans, if we did know that, if more people knew that, we wouldn't put up with it.
01:11:54.000I just don't think that's so anti-American.
01:11:56.000Everybody has checks and balances except the Capitol Police, and they can behave however they want to.
01:12:01.000Thank you so much, Mickey. Now, Joe, you have the J6 footage, so I want you to get the hell off of this podcast and start watching that shit.
01:12:11.000You got it, brother. Let's get to the truth.
01:12:13.000Let's get those people out, and let's get them to tell their story so America can finally see what actually happened, so we can actually get justice for those who need it.
01:13:35.000I think she's turning 29 today, so I got to go to the birthday party shortly, but I definitely want to get some of those questions answered.
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