In this episode of Conspiracy Theories, host Alex Blumberg is joined by journalist Ross Colhart and friend of the show, Lou Elizondo, to discuss new evidence of a secret government alien aircraft retrieval program. Plus, a deal is struck to get the Israeli hostages back.
00:05:31.000We're normally Monday, Thursday at 6 p.m., just obviously with all the insanity around the inauguration and travel and this and events.
00:05:37.000We had to mix and match a little bit this week, so hopefully you guys can bear with us.
00:05:41.000But we've got some major investigations into secret alien aircraft retrieval programs.
00:05:47.000And the journalist at the center of uncovering the story...
00:05:51.000News Nation journalist Ross Colt Hart will be here to lay it all out.
00:05:56.000And then we'll get reaction from friend of the show, Lou Elizondo, who worked on these very issues while he was in our government.
00:06:06.000I was joking last episode that there's so much going on that we sort of glossed over the fact that we have actual evidence, I mean, think about it, of non-human intelligence and UAP aircraft.
00:06:19.000It's a massive, growing story, and we're going to dive deep into all of it.
00:06:24.000Crazily enough, the world is in such an insane place right now that as we start seeing this very clear, very objective evidence of something we've all been wondering about for probably a really long time, it's like, eh, who knows?
00:06:39.000But I imagine today, after we break some of this news, hopefully we have a lot more to talk about with it.
00:06:47.000And maybe we calm down the rest of the stuff that we can focus on how major a discovery all of this is.
00:06:53.000There's obviously a lot of other big news.
00:06:55.000We'll get towards that at the end of the show, including my father brokering a deal to get the Israeli hostages back.
00:07:02.000Now, remember, I'm sure the media will say it was the Biden administration.
00:07:05.000But if you recall, it was the day after the election when Hamas said, OK, you know what?
00:07:19.000Last week when he put out the threat there's going to basically be hell to pay if they don't return the hostages by the time he's in office.
00:08:14.000This is the stuff that's not going to be covered, or at least it's not going to be covered honestly by the mainstream media.
00:08:21.000For all of the top headlines that we spotlight here on the show, go over to my news app, MXM News, where you can get the mainstream news without the mainstream bias.
00:08:29.000And we're going to begin with our top story surrounding new explosive investigations into what we're told is a covert government alien aircraft retrieval program.
00:08:41.000The journalist, Ross Colhart, who will be here in moments, is unveiling a years-long investigation, including interviews with Special Operation Whistleblowers, okay?
00:08:52.000People who actually have seen these things, who have come out, who are finally now talking about one of the greatest mysteries, perhaps, of modern time, wondering if there is extraterrestrial life.
00:09:04.000Here's a clip laying out some of what he's found.
00:09:10.000Tell me about the moment when you realised that you were involved in a retrieval of non-human technology, alien tech.
00:09:19.000So it became very clear the first time our communication process and procedure was modified and then just visually looking at the object on the ground you could tell that it was extraordinary and anomalous.
00:10:09.000I flipped them up, flipped them down, and looked at it a couple of different ways.
00:10:14.000How did you know that that egg-shaped object was non-human in origin?
00:10:20.000Visually, after seeing all kinds of things in my past, it was clearly something that was ridiculously looking.
00:10:28.000It's inconsistent with anything I'd ever seen before.
00:10:30.000I can also tell you that the reaction by my team, we all knew we were dealing with something extraordinary.
00:10:37.000And at no stage were you ever subsequently told that the craft was of non-human origin.
00:10:43.000I will tell you that during this process over the last couple of years, it's been confirmed to me by ranking members of the UAP task force that what we were working with that night was in fact an HI and it was not a unique experience.
00:11:42.000Guys, we're going to cover a lot of ground here.
00:11:46.000So joining me now to explain so much more about what he's learned, investigative journalist and correspondent for NewsNation, Ross Colt Hart.
00:11:56.000Ross, thank you so much for being here.
00:12:21.000I'll actually attribute something to you.
00:12:23.000One of the reasons I got my curiosity twigged about this story was because of an interview you did with your dad before the...
00:12:31.000Last election, where he ran for president, and I think you actually asked him about Roswell, and he indicated at the time that he knew something, but he didn't go any further.
00:12:41.000And it made it very, very clear to me that whatever your dad knew, he hadn't been given the full story, because by that stage, I knew about the retrieval program.
00:12:51.000And I think the most disturbing implications of this, and we explore this at 8pm Eastern Time on Saturday night in the News Nation story.
00:13:00.000What we will be doing is revealing how presidents haven't been told this.
00:13:09.000It's been withheld from the public's knowledge.
00:13:11.000And to some degree, allegations of a covert group of people, if you like, a deep state, essentially doing things outside of congressional scrutiny, it's real.
00:13:24.000Yeah, I mean, this is definitely one of the biggest stories ever.
00:13:27.000I know, you know, that was right before the 2020 election.
00:13:30.000And I asked him that question because it literally, to me, that was more important than, you know, who the shooter on the grassy knoll was.
00:13:38.000Yeah, he definitely gave me a little bit of a look like, you know, maybe we'll get to this later.
00:13:42.000But I don't know if it was enough for what people want to hear.
00:13:45.000But, you know, that doesn't surprise me.
00:13:47.000We've seen so much of that where, whether it's my father or I'm sure Joe Biden or other presidents, you know, that deep state.
00:13:54.000Sort of gives someone enough information to get the answer that they want, but not all of the information to get the answer that perhaps that person would actually give if they actually had all of that information.
00:14:08.000So, you know, that's pretty fundamental.
00:14:10.000And it's sort of strange, again, that the unelected bureaucrats have this kind of information, but we don't even have the ability to decide whether it's something that should perhaps be made clear to the public or others.
00:14:21.000Well, in this case, we're going to make it very clear, Don.
00:14:24.000Basically, the public has been lied to.
00:14:26.000I'm shocked as a journalist that the mainstream media have failed in the main.
00:14:31.000They've allowed themselves to be led by the nose by people in the national security state, the different intelligence agencies that have frankly misled and lied the public for years.
00:14:45.000First-hand evidence from people who are top-level, trained, tier-one military operatives, patriots, men who love their country with a passion but who understand also that there's an accountability problem here, that there are faceless people inside the national security bureaucracy who have taken it upon themselves to conduct.
00:15:09.000The expenditure of possibly billions, if not trillions of dollars on a covert program that is being deliberately concealed from Congress.
00:15:19.000And having spoken to people, I'd love to hear one day what your dad would say about this and how much he's actually been told, because I know he's been Partially briefed, partially read into the UAP program, and I'm not inviting you to comment about that, but I'd love to know what successive presidents would say about what they've been told,
00:15:39.000because I think even the commanders-in-chief over the years have been lied to about this, and I think there's a pretext that goes right back to the 1950s to justify the secrecy.
00:15:53.000Apparently, President Eisenhower made an order that this would all be kept I reached out as a journalist several years ago thinking I was going to debunk this story, thinking I was going to find out that it was another laudable American black program that we were developing advanced aerospace technology.
00:16:20.000What I actually discovered when I started talking to people in the military, in the intelligence community, is that This is real.
00:16:28.000There really is a legacy retrieval program.
00:16:31.000And it didn't take me long before I stumbled across the gentleman who features in our story this week, Jake.
00:16:37.000And he's telling us an extraordinary story.
00:16:40.000He's telling us how he was involved in the recovery of alien vehicles and that these vehicles have been recovered by the United States, in some cases brought down.
00:16:53.000Buy high powered microwave technology.
00:16:56.000And in other cases, they appear to have landed freely.
00:17:01.000And this is something that's been going on in secret for years, possibly decades.
00:17:07.000And I, for the life of me, do not know why people in the national security establishment think that they continued colluding to conceal this from the public and frankly, lying.
00:17:19.000I mean, as recently as November, we were assured in a presentation to Congress by one representative of the Pentagon that there was no evidence of extraterrestrial visitation or engagement with this planet.
00:17:35.000And you will see the evidence this weekend on NewsNation at 8pm Eastern Time.
00:17:41.000And we will present the definitive evidence from first hand whistleblowers.
00:17:46.000Corroborated by people who've worked with this person, their military service is impeccable.
00:17:52.000We also have other evidence that we will present, which is absolutely definitive that what we are talking about here is a non-human technology.
00:18:02.000The allegations are simply quite extraordinary.
00:18:05.000And I think, as you would know, because you've actually, I understand, been taking quite a close interest in this subject, there are so many people around America who do not buy the official explanation that this is all nonsense, that it's all hysterical tinfoil gossip.
00:18:22.000There is a lot of solid, hard evidence to substantiate this.
00:18:27.000Whistleblowers come forward all the time.
00:18:29.000And what has happened until now has been successive presidents have allowed themselves to be deceived.
00:18:36.000And I think one of the problems in Congress is senators, congresspeople, they're allowing themselves to be manipulated by large chunks of money from defence aerospace that stop them from talking candidly about these issues.
00:18:52.000And I'm talking, Don, to scientists inside the program and these witnesses who are military people who've actually worked at the highest level of the military, including one of them who's worked in Delta Force, and they're talking exclusively for the first time about their knowledge of these programs, their first-hand role in the recovery of...
00:19:14.000What they say and know are alien vehicles.
00:19:18.000I think that's a really big deal, what you brought up.
00:19:21.000If you have a Delta Force operator, if you have other military personnel with impeccable records, it feels like over the course of the last 50 years of my lifetime, any story, it's some person who can barely speak or put together a coherent sentence and they were abducted in a farm field in the middle of nowhere.
00:19:42.000These are some of the most qualified military operators anywhere in the world.
00:19:46.000This isn't the proverbial sort of podunk witness that's either perhaps been created that way to protect the narrative, which also wouldn't surprise me.
00:19:58.000But these are serious people, multiple corroborations, not just a one-off lunatic.
00:20:05.000I can emphasise also, Don, just to emphasise what you're saying there, they haven't just done this willy-nilly.
00:20:12.000They've actually done the right thing.
00:20:14.000They've given the Pentagon the information.
00:20:19.000I can tell you, with their authorisation, that they took this information to Dr Sean Kirkpatrick of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, the Pentagon's UFO office.
00:20:33.000And yet he told Congress something different.
00:20:36.000That's something that should be investigated.
00:20:38.000They tell me they presented definitive evidence, including imagery of UAPs to Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick of Arrow, and he did nothing with it.
00:20:51.000And Don, this is a real concern, and this is something I would urge your dad to order an investigation into.
00:20:57.000Please, the public have got a right to know this.
00:21:01.000When Dr. John Kozlowski, who's a good guy, I'm told, who's taken over Arrow, when he came into the job late last year, he couldn't find, when he was re-approached by the same team who came to him to tell him the same information, he couldn't find that information inside the Pentagon's UFO office.
00:21:23.000And so the very office that's been set up by the Defence Department to investigate this issue and to supposedly give you and me and the general public the truth about what the government really knows about UAPs, it would appear the information somehow got lost.
00:21:41.000And I think that deserves and demands investigation.
00:21:47.000Anna Paulina Luna, a congresswoman from Florida, was on the show on Monday.
00:21:51.000We were obviously talking about a lot, given the confirmation hearings, everything that's going on, but she's been one of those people that's been investigating this.
00:21:57.000I think she's on the Oversight Committee, so this is something that you would think would be up her purview.
00:22:02.000And she said when she went to go inquire about it, even in a classified manner, even with the appropriate clearances, just totally stonewalled.
00:22:10.000But the stuff she was able to find matched so many of the things...
00:22:15.000You couple all of this, Ross, with the Pentagon failing seven audits, the missing $250 billion, and it's probably a lot more.
00:22:27.000Maybe it went to Ukraine, who the heck knows, and whatever other black programs that they're running.
00:22:32.000But man, it seems like they could be spending a lot of our money looking into this.
00:22:36.000They have a lot more information that they're unwilling to disclose.
00:22:40.000Well, Don, I can tell you I am talking to a whole lot of people.
00:22:44.000Behind the scenes, who are toying with coming forward, and I know other colleagues of mine are also talking to legacy UAP program witnesses who want to give this evidence.
00:22:56.000But what they're not getting from Congress or the Pentagon's UFO Investigation Office is honesty and credibility with their willingness to actually engage with them and give their evidence.
00:23:06.000I really think what you need in America is what happened way back in the 70s, some kind of church commission inquiry that basically digs into this in a public way and brings these people before a public hearing and puts them under oath.
00:23:22.000And Lord help them if they lie, because I can tell you, people have taken insurance on this.
00:23:29.000If the Pentagon tries to lie its way out of this, and I'm not saying everybody in the Pentagon knows this because I have friends at senior levels in the military and the intelligence community who assure me they know nothing about this.
00:23:42.000They're good people, and they say they should know.
00:23:45.000They should have been briefed into this.
00:23:47.000And they're as appalled as you and I are that this program is being kept secret.
00:23:52.000And they think it's time the public got the truth.
00:23:55.000And so what I really think needs to happen is some kind of public inquiry where this is all brought out in the open.
00:24:02.000And it may very well be, sir, that there are things that need to be protected.
00:24:06.000We all want to protect national security, and that's why these guys that are talking to me For me, they went to the Pentagon beforehand and let them know that they're talking to me.
00:24:17.000They've actually admitted that they're doing an interview.
00:24:19.000And the reason is they want to give the Pentagon an opportunity to do the right thing.
00:24:24.000Because none of us want catastrophic disclosure.
00:24:27.000If there is stuff that's needing to be protected, national security-sensitive information, weaponry, propulsion systems, energy systems, that would give America and my country, Australia, an ally, an advantage against foreign adversaries, then let's use it.
00:24:44.000But it's improper that this is being kept secret from the American public, and more importantly, that successive administrations and Congress We are presenting the definitive evidence that these first-hand whistleblowers are giving us, that there has been a monstrous cover-up, and that, frankly, it's time this story was told.
00:25:12.000Yeah, to be clear, you're also speaking with firsthand witnesses who are explicitly saying, you know, we are not alone.
00:25:42.000I mean, are they not even communicating with other branches of the military?
00:25:45.000They're clearly not cooperating all that much with Congress.
00:25:48.000Perhaps they're even perjuring themselves before Congress.
00:25:51.000I've actually spoken to somebody who's been a director of an organization, an administrator of a very senior organization.
00:25:59.000It's not a three-letter agency, but it's a very highly respected agency involved in the aerospace area.
00:26:05.000And he told me he was not briefed into this program.
00:26:08.000But what we discovered is that the person three rungs below him was briefed in.
00:26:13.000And that's how they've been doing this.
00:26:15.000What the program's done is it's found people who will be compliant with the cover-up.
00:26:20.000And that's where the immorality and illegality has come in.
00:26:24.000Because whilst billions of dollars, and I can say billions conservatively, of taxpayers' money has been spent on building this...
00:26:34.000Project and trying to reverse engineer these technologies, there's been no accountability to Congress.
00:26:40.000And under the beautiful US Constitution, which is a document I envy, which gives Americans so many rights, Article 1, Section 9 enshrines congressional oversight of expenditure on everything in government.
00:26:55.000And those expenditures have not been disclosed as they ought properly to have been.
00:27:04.000The president can appoint the guy at the top, perhaps even a deputy.
00:27:07.000But if they're going to those people three rungs below, you know, that's part of that sort of permanent Washington, the bureaucratic state.
00:27:16.000They get their eventual promotions while they're off ramps by playing that game.
00:27:21.000And that's how they've actually subverted the will of the people by...
00:27:25.000Perhaps indirectly subverting the duly elected president of the United States and the people who he chooses to put in his cabinet or otherwise.
00:27:35.000You know, they'll be there before Trump, they'll be there after Trump one way or the other, not the people who would actually be able to give Trump the full information.
00:27:42.000So it's shocking that the guy that is actually chosen, that does go through Senate confirmation, has no knowledge, but people way down below the ladder who are just part of that permanent, you know, DC swamp machine could be fully read into this, which...
00:27:56.000You know, clearly lesser clearances, clearly less power.
00:27:59.000Perhaps it shouldn't surprise us at all because that's how they function.
00:28:02.000And this is just another indication of how broken the system is.
00:28:07.000Yeah, Don, I can tell you there are people who want to come forward and they are good people.
00:28:12.000A lot of them are scientists and they're frustrated because good science dictates that scientists share their information and talk about it so that they can get the breakthroughs we need.
00:28:22.000And one of the things that I think your dad has actually talked about is the ridiculous, unnecessary secrecy of the bureaucracy that has often been used to hide incompetence and corruption.
00:28:33.000And that's what I fear is going on here.
00:28:36.000People I'm talking to inside this secret program, they tell me there is no good reason for the American public not to know about the existence of non-human intelligence.
00:28:47.000There are good reasons why certain technologies might not be revealed, why You know, things that might be national security sensitive shouldn't be revealed.
00:28:58.000But what's been happening here is inside the program, people have been threatened.
00:29:03.000And the allegation from these men that I'm talking to is that people have been murdered.
00:29:10.000These are very grave claims that as part of the cover-up, there have been serious criminal offences committed to conceal this program.
00:29:20.000What's sort of amazing when you think about it, you know, I look at, obviously, I've spent a lot more time with Elon Musk in the last few months during the transition.
00:29:26.000I've been down to see, you know, SpaceX launch and the technology that he's been able to create.
00:29:32.000You would think that they'd want to read in individuals like that.
00:29:36.000Obviously, they'd have to, you know, go through whatever clearance processes.
00:29:40.000But wouldn't we want to allow perhaps our greatest geniuses?
00:29:43.000When you look at, you know, Elon's been able to do, you know, More than NASA that had a 75-year head start privately and in a few years.
00:29:52.000Now he's outperforming Boeing, NASA, the establishment.
00:29:56.000I'm sure him and his top scientists are probably far more competent than anyone we have in government as it relates to.
00:30:03.000Propulsion systems, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
00:30:06.000You would think you'd want to actually bring those in because if it is about weaponry, if it is about, you know, the future of propulsion, it feels like there's a lot of other people that should actually be right into that.
00:30:19.000That can be done in a skiff or however you do it.
00:30:21.000But you would think you'd want their input as well, not simply leaving it with, you know, fourth tier government rung type employees.
00:30:29.000I mean, if you're trying to maximize...
00:30:31.000The most of the science, and we're told a lot lately to trust the science, wouldn't we want to bring in our best and not keep them totally out of the loop?
00:30:40.000You know, your father pledged to make America great again.
00:30:44.000And one of the greatest periods in American history is the exceptionalism that was shown during the Apollo program.
00:30:51.000And you know how America made that incredible breakthrough of going to the moon, as John Kennedy promised?
00:30:57.000They did it because they collaborated in an open and public way with clever people all over the world.
00:31:04.000And they developed the technologies and the know-how to go to the moon.
00:31:09.000We've lost that exceptionalism because of ridiculous, bureaucratized secrecy.
00:31:14.000And unfortunately, the national security state, it has become a swamp.
00:31:19.000It's become a self-generating organism that's basically trying to conceal its own failures and incompetences.
00:31:38.000And it's absolutely intrinsic to resolving this issue that these questions get asked when the new administration comes in, because the new president has a unique opportunity.
00:31:50.000This is probably one of the only times in history in the last 60 or 70 years when there really is a mandate from the public to get in there and ask serious questions of the people who really should be being put under oath in public and asked.
00:32:06.000Hard questions about the truth of the claims that are being made by the men that I'm speaking to.
00:32:11.000Because these guys have stuck their necks up.
00:32:14.000They've risked their lives and their careers.
00:32:17.000And at times their lives have been at risk.
00:32:19.000I've never done a more dangerous story, I can tell you.
00:32:23.000It's been quite hairy encountering these people.
00:32:26.000Every time I've met them, they've been armed to the teeth, not because of me, but because of the threat that's posed to them by speaking to me and the fact that inside the program there's actually been skirmishes.
00:32:40.000You know, there are things that have happened that have been seriously criminal that need to be brought out into the open.
00:32:47.000Now, Don, I wouldn't be doing my job as a journalist if I didn't ask you about something I'd heard, which is that you're an experiencer yourself.
00:33:05.000But I would be curious, I mean, for those who have, are we naming names, people in government that we would eventually be able to use as a list of the people that should have to testify perhaps before an oversight committee, even if that's done secretly, so that we're able to actually get to the bottom of it?
00:33:22.000Again, because you see what we're talking about, that permanent Washington disguising it for people.
00:33:26.000If we don't actually know the names of the people who do know, who are read in, that perhaps should or should not be, to actually be able to question them.
00:33:33.000Do you get into all of that in your story?
00:33:44.000The witnesses that I am talking to have given evidence to the Senate Select Committee for Intelligence, and they have given names, dates, locations, and they are prepared to hand over imagery and data.
00:33:58.000And more importantly, all of that data has been with the Pentagon's UFO Investigation Office since a long time early last year.
00:34:06.000And that's the outrageous thing about this, is while the public has been told there is no evidence of this, it's not true, we don't know everything, and Congress has been flat out lied to.
00:34:18.000What's been going on behind the scenes is the most monstrous cover-up.
00:34:22.000And what I think this betrays, Don, and I say this as somebody who absolutely loves your country, the thing I love about America is the transparency and the accountability and, more importantly, the respect for the Constitution.
00:34:36.000What is going on is there are people in the national security state who have taken it upon themselves to conceal the expenditure of...
00:34:45.000Billions, if not trillions of dollars on a program that the public has every right to know about.
00:34:51.000And in the course of covering that up...
00:34:53.000Serious crimes have allegedly been committed and all these people want, the only reason these people are coming forward, they gain absolutely nothing from it.
00:35:03.000What they want to do is do the right thing and provide the American people with the information they think they have a right to hear.
00:35:11.000It's absolutely unprecedented that people of this gravity Of this background, tier one military operators, guys who've worked undercover for very important intelligence agencies in the United States, are coming forward to reveal all they know.
00:35:29.000And they are doing it because they think you've got a right to know.
00:35:33.000And also, sir, they think the new president has a mandate to make change to do something about it.
00:35:40.000As someone who has testified before, multiple...
00:35:44.000I can assure you the intelligence moniker is a misnomer, but that doesn't mean they're not also nefarious.
00:35:54.000I think there was a reason I was doing that testimony, and it wasn't because everyone was above board.
00:35:58.000So, you know, again, none of this should surprise all of us, but it should surprise us that we can now say, fairly definitively it seems, that there's evidence of non-human intelligence out there engaging with our planet.
00:37:13.000And one of the terrible lessons in this whole UAP story, when there is a reckoning, when there is a public reckoning, is going to be the failure of the great broadsheet masthead newspapers, the big TV programs that had the opportunity to investigate this.
00:37:31.000But they didn't want to lose their stories that they're being fed by the PR people for the Defence Department and different intelligence agencies.
00:37:39.000And they didn't want to not keep their nose clean so that they...
00:37:44.000And that kind of captive journalism where journalists are controlled by PR people and by senior people and intelligence agencies in the Defence Department, it has to change because what we're seeing at the moment is a catastrophe of oversight in the United States.
00:38:03.000Congressional representatives and senators.
00:38:06.000Are cow-toed because of campaign funding and influence.
00:38:10.000And the media, frankly, they're going broke.
00:38:12.000Free-to-air media is basically going broke.
00:38:15.000Shows like yours, Joe Rogan, Tucker, they're generating millions of viewers.
00:38:20.000And the thing that's not being talked about is that newspapers, if they're lucky, crack 100,000 readers a day.
00:38:26.000And why do these papers and these mastheads have the influence that they have?
00:38:33.000Because there's a transition occurring.
00:38:36.000You know, we who operate online and, frankly, shows like News Nation, which are still supporting my kind of journalism, we're the only outlets that are doing this kind of research.
00:38:50.000There is a travesty of oversight at the moment in America where much of the institutions that we've trusted in the past to check.
00:39:01.000And this is why there's such a unique opportunity right now in history and why it's going to be very interesting to see what your dad does on Monday.
00:39:14.000I'm hoping when he indicated that he talked about the drones and he said, you know, we're going to be asking some hard questions and revealing what the government knows about drones, I suspect he knows what...
00:39:25.000I'm hearing about those drones, which is that some of them are indeed anomalous and possibly not showing the performance characteristics of normal human drones.
00:39:37.000The big question is, where are they coming from?
00:39:50.000There are people in legacy media that are essentially the scribes of the deep state or the Pentagon, and they're the ones that always seem to break the story about a very convenient leak, again, a selective leak designed to get us somewhere, not necessarily where we should be going, whether it's a cover, whether it's just enough to not get you all that curious or just outright lies.
00:40:13.000There are those who are no longer journalists, but their access...
00:40:19.000To any other kind of news is entirely contingent on them functioning as those kinds of scribes.
00:40:25.000You better write this article or you're basically out of the loop.
00:40:29.000I saw this with Russia, Russia, Russia.
00:40:31.000But it perpetuates the idea and the example of yet another government failure, a government that's lying to us and has been for decades.
00:40:41.000You know, and again, I guess the question is, just how far have they collectively gone to try to cover this up, right?
00:40:49.000You know, if it's a few people, it's one thing.
00:40:51.000If they're actively using, you know, perhaps criminal behavior in taking this out, if they're perjuring themselves before Congress, that's a serious problem and there should be accountability.
00:41:02.000Don, the people that are appearing on my show at 8 p.m.
00:41:07.000Eastern Time on NewsNation on Saturday night are alleging...
00:41:12.000They believe people have been murdered to cover this story up.
00:41:16.000They believe that as part of the cover-up to stop the American public from finding out about the UAP retrieval and reverse engineering program, not only has there been mass manipulation through mass media, movies, the media, the general news media, there's also been outright lies and at times threats.
00:41:37.000People have been told they would be killed and allegedly...
00:41:42.000And one of the reasons these men are coming forward is because they became concerned that their lives were at risk.
00:41:49.000They were involved in an investigation into data that went missing from within the program.
00:41:55.000And in the course of their attempts to retrieve that data, they believe that there may well have been an attempt by their employer to kill them.
00:42:04.000Yeah, and I think we've all, this is a story, well, probably as old as time, but certainly, you know, I've been party to some of this stuff.
00:42:11.000You know, magically, all of the telephones of the people involved in Russia, Russia, Russia, all of the 38, whatever it was.
00:42:18.000Everyone magically lost their cell phone.
00:42:21.000I don't know that I've ever lost my cell phone, Russ, but the 30 people involved, all of them magically lost their cell phones and all the text messages went away.
00:42:40.000It seems to be yet another example of that where it's clearly a cover-up.
00:42:44.000Oftentimes the cover-up is worse than the crime, or at least that's where the accountability comes in.
00:42:49.000But how much further do you think they'll go to prevent this from coming out?
00:42:55.000Well, I think we're at a tipping point right now, Don.
00:42:57.000They know your dad's coming in, and they know he's pledged to get to the bottom of the deep state.
00:43:02.000And I'll be honest with you, I thought the deep state was nonsense when your dad first started talking about it a few years ago.
00:43:07.000I thought, oh, that's just paranoid nonsense.
00:43:09.000But then even people inside the intelligence community started telling me that, yes, there really is this cabal of people who take it upon themselves with extraordinary arrogance to dictate that the president...
00:43:23.000You know how they talk about the president?
00:43:25.000They describe the president as a temporary employee.
00:43:31.000They think they control the national security state.
00:43:34.000And as you would know, as your dad would know, as people who understand the Constitution would know, the president is the commander-in-chief.
00:43:43.000The president has the right to know about everything.
00:43:47.000He has a security clearance above everything else, and he can declassify everything.
00:43:54.000If your dad wanted to, he could walk into office on Monday and mandate that this program be revealed.
00:44:01.000Now, I think there are a lot of people I can tell you inside the program who think it's time this was done, who think it's time the public was not lied to anymore and the truth was told.
00:44:12.000Because we really are at a tipping point.
00:44:15.000If it's true, and I believe it is, that there are technologies that are being studied and explored that would revolutionise power, that would revolutionise propulsion systems, is it a good thing that we're trying, and frustratingly apparently, to reproduce them for the purposes of military advantage, when this could be of benefit for the whole country?
00:44:38.000The whole world could benefit from these discoveries.
00:44:41.000These scientific discoveries could be a paradigm change for the human race.
00:44:46.000And what's happening is, apparently, there are people who've taken it upon themselves to make the decision that this needs to be kept secret in order to give America a military advantage.
00:44:57.000But Don, they've had 70 years to do this.
00:45:01.000They haven't shown any sign of this breakthrough yet.
00:45:05.000And the scientists that I'm talking to who are telling me they will come forward, they will testify if they're given the chance, they just need that assurance.
00:45:15.000They need somebody to show the spine that they can be reassured and come forward with the evidence they've got.
00:45:22.000They will tell you, they will tell the Congress and they will tell the American people that this research is being frustrated by this ridiculous secrecy.
00:46:07.000But the public should have the right to know that the American government is secretly working on retrieved non-human technology.
00:46:14.000It's an absolute scandal that this has been kept from the public for 60, 70, 80 years.
00:46:21.000and good men like David Grush came forward and gave evidence about this to me with News Nation in 2023 when he went public and exposed all he knew.
00:47:28.000And at the same time, as you pointed out, we have access journalism, where journalists have forgotten how to do investigative journalism.
00:47:35.000And all they do is go to their tame little PR people to be given access to the stories that they're allowed to tell.
00:47:43.000And sure enough, when the Pentagon's UAP office last year came out with a supposed investigation that explained that there was no evidence of extraterrestrial engagement with this planet, A certain masthead newspaper gleefully reported Pentagon finds no evidence of UAPs or aliens.
00:48:03.000And it's just the same tired line all the time.
00:48:07.000And I don't know if Americans are buying it anymore because I get thousands of people contacting me every week who are angry that this is being kept from them.
00:48:17.000And when I do my stories on NewsNation, we get millions of viewers because people are...
00:48:24.000Angry that this is being kept out of the mainstream media.
00:48:27.000And what's happening, and this is why shows like yours are exciting, it's like the mainstream media is making itself irrelevant.
00:48:35.000And if it doesn't engage with this issue and cover this issue, we're just going to walk on by.
00:48:41.000And that's what Jake and his team reveal in the story that we're doing this weekend at 8pm on Eastern Time on NewsNation.
00:48:51.000Reporting that they are now going to do private crash retrievals.
00:48:57.000They are going to do what the military is covering up.
00:49:01.000And there's a new company called Skywatcher, which is going to come forward publicly, and it's going to reveal that it can do retrievals, and it's being funded by private equity.
00:49:13.000And good people from the private industry, people with that same free enterprise initiative that you talked about earlier, they're going to do what the government is failing to do.
00:49:22.000They're going to tell the public the truth.
00:49:24.000They're going to come forward and reveal this program.
00:49:27.000And they're going to leave the military and the defense national security complex behind because they've failed.
00:49:34.000They've failed to reverse engineer a lot of this technology.
00:49:37.000And the reason why is because this stupid bureaucratic secrecy has Well, I mean, that's pretty amazing.
00:49:50.000So we mentioned, obviously, we have a new administration coming into power in five days.
00:49:54.000What would you love, ideally, for that new administration to address as it relates to these findings?
00:50:01.000What are the things they do need to acknowledge and get out there?
00:50:04.000What are some of the things they may want or need to keep secret?
00:50:07.000And where do you expect the story to go from there?
00:50:10.000Well, you know, Don, it's funny, as a journalist, I would rarely do this.
00:50:14.000But one of the things that was recommended by Chuck Schumer in the previous administration, or the current administration, was a really laudable idea that was actually backed by both sides of the House.
00:50:24.000And it was the idea of a presidential records review panel that looks at all of the UAP information that's held secretly within the government and makes a decision about declassification.
00:50:37.000Because the worst thing that could happen...
00:50:41.000I know that there are things that the public shouldn't know.
00:50:45.000I mean, I'm aware of operations that are going on involving reverse engineering that I genuinely do accept shouldn't be made public.
00:50:54.000But there are other things that I think should be made public.
00:50:57.000And I think what's happened is the secrecy has been used as an excuse.
00:51:01.000I had a conversation recently with somebody who has a lot of gold braid on their shoulder.
00:51:06.000And I said to them, sir, is there any good reason why the public can't know that there is a non-human intelligence engaging with this planet?
00:51:15.000And he laughed at me and he said, Ross, go for it.
00:51:19.000And he encouraged me to do this story.
00:51:21.000And I said to him, if there's a good reason why I shouldn't run this story, please tell me.
00:51:26.000And that's exactly what my friend, the whistleblower, Jake, has done.
00:52:03.000If you're looking for the deep state, if you're hunting for the bad guys who've done entirely the wrong thing and committed crimes and overspent the public's money, this is where you need to look.
00:52:24.000And your dad to scream from the rooftops about this and get answers.
00:52:29.000And I'm sure Lou, who's coming on later, is going to second this.
00:52:32.000And I'm sure David Grush, who spoke to me on NewsNation in 2023 and went public with his concerns, he's genuinely concerned that the attempts that he's made to get this heard inside government are being ignored.
00:52:47.000And it's basically because of the power of the defence aerospace and the national security establishment.
00:52:53.000President Eisenhower once warned that there was a danger in the military-industrial complex.
00:52:59.000And the irony, Don, is that it was probably President Eisenhower who was responsible for instituting the legal basis for the cover-up in the first place.
00:53:08.000And what he failed to realise was that the monster he would create would keep this secret for another 80 years.
00:53:16.000It's just incredible that this has been kept secret for as long as it has.
00:53:20.000And it really is time that it was brought out.
00:53:23.000And the only way that I can see it being done is in a measured way with this presidential records review panel.
00:53:29.000But more importantly, if I was your dad, I would be summoning Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, the former director of Arrow, putting him in front of a blooming judge and deposing him and demanding that he tell the truth about what he was told by my whistleblowers.
00:53:45.000Because I know the Pentagon has been lying.
00:54:34.000You can watch my Reality Check show on YouTube.
00:54:38.000That's Ross Coulthard Reality Check, which is a NewsNation channel.
00:54:42.000And we will eventually be airing the full interviews with all of these whistleblowers for the public to see.
00:54:49.000And you will see ongoing stories covering this issue.
00:54:53.000There are so many angles and And one of the things I'm incredibly grateful for is there is at least one news organization that's still covering this story, despite all the others, and that's News Nation.
00:55:07.000They've stuck their neck up to back quality investigative journalism, and I thank them for it.
00:55:12.000Well, Ross Coldhart, thank you so much.
00:55:14.000Guys, make sure to check out more of Ross's UFO work on News Nation this Saturday.
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00:57:45.000It's a living contradiction, isn't it?
00:57:47.000A good portion of my career, almost 10 years, for the Pentagon and the intelligence community investigating UAP or the vernacular UFOs with your taxpayer money, only for the government to come out and pretend like, oh, we weren't doing any of that, right?
00:58:01.000Until finally they were caught red-handed and they had to tell the truth at least a little bit to what they could about the reality of the investigation that we were leading.
00:58:10.000I would like to say that Ross Coulthart, as an investigative journalist, a lot of people don't know this.
00:58:16.000He is not only a fantastic investigative journalist, he's also an attorney.
00:58:21.000So he looks at things a little bit more discerning than I guess maybe a lot of folks in the media does.
00:58:27.000And he also makes sure that every piece of information that he has is backed up by tangible information.
00:58:34.000And from what I've known about this, I've been following this for about a year and a half.
00:58:39.000Ross has kept this under wraps and needed some help from others in the special operations community, I'll say.
00:58:46.000For personal protection purposes for some of these individuals who were brave enough to come out and have their story told to the American people.
00:58:53.000But it was getting really dicey there for a while.
00:59:18.000Only break glass in case of an emergency.
00:59:20.000So when you have a Tier 1 operator and their colleagues coming out and telling the American people, yes, I was part of a UAP program, a crash retrieval program, and here is what we did.
00:59:32.000And by the way, here's some of the bad things that occurred as well.
00:59:45.000And, you know, they are America's finest.
00:59:50.000I'm frustrated because you talk about my life's work here.
00:59:55.000For example, Congress just had an opportunity to create a UAP subcommittee.
01:00:00.000And one would think with all the nonsense going on with drones and Chinese balloons and UAP, that at least Congress would be able to stand up a subcommittee, not even a committee, a subcommittee.
01:00:10.000On what the heck's going on in our skies, and they couldn't even do that, right?
01:00:15.000Meanwhile, you have people like Tim Burchette and Burleson and Nancy Mace and Anna Polina doing their very best to try to get the truth out to the American people, and yet they're being stymied internally by what?
01:00:30.000And so it's very, very frustrating to see, but I am also very, very optimistic that this story that's coming out is going to change the landscape.
01:00:42.000So I also know you're putting together some critical recommendations as our nation continues to grapple with these findings.
01:00:48.000Specifically, how does this all relate to specific policy goals, and especially our policy towards drones and other types of aircraft?
01:01:32.000Drones in New Jersey, New York, Maryland, Virginia, Florida, California, Oregon, right?
01:01:37.000Same issues that we're seeing overseas with some of our joint bases, like in the UK, where they're having drone issues, right?
01:01:44.000Call them drones, call them whatever you want.
01:01:46.000Bottom line is, the administration's response to that is, well, they're not ours, they're not enemies, we don't know whose they are, but nothing to worry about here, folks.
01:01:53.000Let's just go ahead and turn the page and they're all being flown lawfully.
01:01:56.000You do not shut down military airspace.
01:02:00.000Because someone is flying a drone lawfully over your airspace, over your airbase.
01:02:04.000So we've got a problem, and I think Ross is absolutely right.
01:02:08.000You, people like yourself, people like your father, who want answers, understand how the bureaucracy works.
01:02:14.000We need to have some concrete recommendations that someone like your father and his staff, by the way, great cabinet picks.
01:02:24.000Have the ability to do something with.
01:02:26.000So we have been making recommendations, for example, a national strategy on what we're calling emerging technologies in our airspace, multi-domain, right?
01:02:36.000So whether it's a drone or it's a new type of reconnaissance aircraft or it's a UAP, someone needs to be able to tell your dad if he asks a question and give him an answer in five minutes, not five hours, not five days, not five weeks or five months.
01:02:52.000So another recommendation is to have some sort of, I know it's a bad word, but kind of like we have a border czar and a drug czar.
01:02:59.000Have an air domain czar that can work with the DNI, Director of National Intelligence, work with NIM Aviation, the National Intelligence Manager for Aviation, work with the FAA, work with the Pentagon, work with Arrow, and be able to give your dad the information that he needs when he needs it.
01:03:33.000There's four draft executive orders right now that are kind of floating around the zeitgeist that talk about whistleblower protections, right?
01:03:40.000That talk about creating a single belly button, a flow of information, creating a whole of government approach, bringing the scientific and academic communities into this conversation.
01:03:50.000And then also be able to give people like your father and his cabinet oversight of what actually is going on, who is spending money on what activities as they relate to UAP. Look, this story is going to be a big story.
01:04:04.000I happen to know already some of the things that are going to be discussed.
01:04:08.000And I got to tell you, people better buckle up because it's going to be a wild ride.
01:04:13.000You ask me personally, Don, I'll tell you, I think America can handle the truth.
01:04:59.000Look, and I've always said for the record, if I ever have to choose between national security and serving my country and disclosure, I'll always choose national security.
01:05:08.000What I don't agree with is obfuscation and calling something classified simply because you're embarrassed or because you're trying to cover malfeasance.
01:05:15.000And that is what we're dealing with with this topic.
01:05:18.000Because for decades, money has been siphoned off without letting Congress know, without letting the president know, and making decisions unilaterally on behalf of somebody like, i.e., the president.
01:05:30.000And you're talking about a middle manager who does not have that authority.
01:05:34.000I think there are reasons to keep things classified.
01:05:37.000As Ross said, look, it's not a classified fact that we have nuclear weapons and that North Korea has atomic and nuclear capabilities.
01:05:47.000Now, how those things actually work, we're going to keep classified.
01:05:50.000If you want to protect sources and methods or certain capabilities to field the technology, yes, I would never want that information being provided to a foreign adversary.
01:06:00.000The problem is, Don, I think we're already behind the eight ball.
01:06:04.000Because as already mentioned, our adversaries are already investing into this topic and are already doing research and they have no problem spending money doing it and being open and honest with their own individuals.
01:06:16.000Meanwhile, here in our country, we have this weird show game where we're pretending to ourselves that we're not doing anything, which is complete opposite because I and my colleagues were doing something back in the Pentagon and there was programs before that and there were programs after that.
01:06:32.000Well, under Biden, we've seen obviously really a lack of urgency in even telling us what these mysterious drones in the sky were.
01:06:39.000It seems like, I don't know, I have a hard time buying that our intelligence agencies don't know what it actually is or where they're actually coming from.
01:06:48.000We talked about that last time you were on a few weeks ago.
01:06:51.000But then that story just magically fell out of the headlines.
01:06:54.000Do you anticipate more examples of these mysterious aircrafts?
01:10:08.000And so, historically, our response is, well, we just won't talk about it.
01:10:13.000We don't want to frighten the American people that there's something out there that we can't control, that we don't know what it's doing.
01:10:21.000And I understand that, but I think we are, look, here's the bottom line, and I don't know how to say this more simply.
01:10:27.000Your dad's going to go down in history as being the one who actually brought truth and transparency to this topic?
01:10:35.000Or they're going to go ahead and stonewall him, and it'll be another president, and somebody will come back and say, ah, you know, Trump really had a chance here.
01:10:45.000I think we need to give our presidents, it doesn't matter what type side of the aisle they're from politically, we need to give them the very best capability to succeed, because ultimately they represent the will of the American people.
01:11:02.000They're so interested in throwing stones at one political party or the other, they forget that we're supposed to all be on the same team.
01:11:09.000And, you know, whether you're liberal or you're conservative or anything in the middle, we need to enable our leaders in this country to make well-informed decisions because that impacts all of us.
01:11:19.000That's not a hey you, that impacts you.
01:11:22.000That affects me, that affects you, everybody in your audience.
01:11:25.000So I think we have a moral obligation to set this president up.
01:11:29.000For success and tell him the truth and give him all the information that he deserves so he can make an informed decision.
01:11:36.000So Congress can make an informed decision and our government can actually work for once.
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01:14:11.000Daddy's home, and the world is responding.
01:14:14.000My father isn't even in office yet, and he's already delivering for you, the incredible people of this country.
01:14:21.000This is what you were told would happen during the campaign, and it's coming true.
01:14:26.000The winning has just begun, and I imagine none of us are sick of it yet because we've got to do a lot of winning to overcome these last four years.
01:14:35.000These next four years, however, are going to be truly incredible.
01:14:39.000It's an opportunity like we've never seen before.
01:14:44.000He tried to claim today that it's a joke to say this deal was created by the new administration.
01:14:50.000The doubt the hostages and the family...
01:14:55.000I doubt that they think it's a joke, folks.
01:14:57.000I just don't think there's any doubt there.
01:14:59.000I think they understand exactly how this happened because everyone knows that real leadership, real resolve, real strength is coming back to the White House in five days.
01:15:11.000And meanwhile, guys, Pete Hegseth, our appointee, absolutely, absolutely dominated his hearing yesterday.
01:15:26.000Remember, Joni Ernst came out against him very hard, and all of you guys, perhaps with the help of people like myself, went after her a little bit.
01:15:35.000Now, she had a change of heart and a change of tune and came out after the hearing and said that she will now be voting for him.
01:15:45.000And so he was adequately able to answer all of my questions.
01:15:49.000He pointed out the woke issues at the Pentagon.
01:15:53.000And I think we're at a point where now we can start moving forward.
01:15:58.000People know where he stands on these issues.
01:17:40.000You'll be the one, let us just be clear, in charge of the generals.
01:17:46.000So, yeah, as we've discussed, that's a big one, right?
01:17:48.000We don't want these generals going in, being generals, and then going out and working for Boeing and Raytheon because it kind of, let's just say, creates a very big disincentive for them to complain about faulty programs.
01:18:00.000It creates a huge disincentive for them actually maybe, I don't know, negotiating on the price of these trillion-dollar contracts for fighters and missiles and whatever it may be.
01:18:08.000So, yeah, we don't want those people to then go profiteer off of their exit ramp.
01:18:16.000Lastly, we now have pictures of Karen Bass at a cocktail party in Ghana as Los Angeles went up in flames.
01:19:49.000Well, I don't know if we can do that live.
01:19:52.000That's probably more of a rumble question.
01:19:54.000Obviously, you could go back and listen to all of these things shortly after we're done and it's sort of fully uploaded and it'll then stay in my sort of account feed.
01:20:01.000So you'll be able to check it out that way.
01:20:06.000Maybe we can do something about that, but we'll try to...
01:20:10.000Okay, so the best, Christina, I rewind live.
01:20:13.000So it seems like it's able to be done.
01:20:14.000Maybe one of your settings is off, but if you missed some of it, definitely go check it out.
01:21:29.000It has to do with you guys knowing these things and being incapable of doing it.
01:21:34.000It also then has to do with failed leadership, disastrous responses, because people are too concerned about pushing their woke ideology, whether it's DEI hires and so on and so forth.
01:21:46.000I think everyone finally gets that now.
01:21:48.000It's unfortunate it takes this kind of disaster to actually get to that point, but perhaps, perhaps one day...
01:22:42.000And, you know, just really looking forward to Monday, looking forward to some of those immediate executive orders, looking forward to hopefully getting, you know, finalizing peace in the Middle East and then going on to Ukraine and, you know, getting there eventually.
01:22:54.000These are complex and long things, but if there's someone that can actually do it, it's going to be my father.
01:22:59.000Now, you'll see the games that the media will play.
01:23:02.000The Ukraine one, I already see that one coming, right?
01:23:05.000We have been led to believe by the mainstream media for the last three years and change, That Ukraine is winning.
01:23:14.000You can see how they've been pulling back.
01:23:16.000You can tell, you know, based on, you know, even, I've even heard, I think it was Elon talking about it, you know, Starlink, the bases that they're using for communication, you just see them receding every day.
01:23:25.000They're just going back and back and back and back, and that's probably what Ukraine sees.
01:23:28.000Not giving up anything secret, but you can see where these terminals are, and you can realize that they're moving back.
01:23:34.000But the mainstream media has told us, because, you know, every once in a while, Ukraine shoots down a jet or, you know, They shoot a Jeep and it's a major victory.
01:23:42.000They withdraw from a quadrant of the country and it's a strategic withdrawal, folks.
01:23:46.000So the real problem is they've created a thing and they continue to do this with the endless funding and whatever, that any deal that my father, his team, JD, whoever else is going to be involved, makes is going to appear to be a bad deal because people are basing their decisions and that people are basing their reaction to that on BS. They're basing it on our false information because they've been told that Ukraine is overperforming and they're winning this thing.
01:24:15.000And if you give them a couple more weeks and they'll be marching into Moscow, it's nonsense.
01:24:45.000So remember that as we start this process, because it's very hard to convince someone that everything that they've been being told, despite what they should understand after watching for the last nine years, but everything they've been told about Ukraine and their performance for the last few years, they are not winning.
01:25:51.000There is manifest destiny where America should expand and grow and all of this.
01:25:56.000We may have an opportunity for MAGA Fest Destiny, where America actually takes its rightful place as the leader of the free world once again, and hopefully once and for all.