Joe Biden vetoes a bipartisan anti-espionage bill, Joe Biden says LGBTQ+ rights are a core part of our foreign policy agenda, and we're in a proxy war on the brink of war with Russia. Plus, we talk about how much we should care about our own mental health, and why we should all be prioritizing our mental health when it comes to our own well-being. Today's guest is Raheem Kassam, who runs the National Pulse and has a long history in populist politics, including predating MAGA as one of Nigel Farage's key strategists during the Brexit campaign. He's also a regular contributor to the New York Times, and has been a long-time supporter of the alt-right movement, including working with Nigel Farage on his campaign in the early days of the Brexit effort, and is one of the most influential people in the pro-Second Amendment movement. We also discuss the latest in the Al Gore/Vladimir Putin meeting, and how it could have a big impact on our relations with Russia, and our ability to win in the long-term. And, of course, we have a special guest on the show to talk about why we need to stop leading with weakness and start leading with strength. Thanks for tuning in! To find a list of our sponsors and show-related promo codes, go to gimlet.fm/OurAdvertisers/Become a supporter of our sponsor/tweet us a discount promo code: Triggered and get 10% off your first month only when you shop at Target or Best Fiends. Subscribe to our new ad-free version of the show! Become a supporter and get 5 stars and get 20% off the entire month for a year, and get 7 days free on Prime Video + Vimeo membership when you get a free ad-planning plan when you sign up for the offer starts! Subscribe for unlimited access to our newest episode starting next week, starting on 7/9/27th July 1st, only 3 months get 5GB and 7 days get a discount, and 7GB gets free of the ad-only version of $99, and 5GB gets 4GB gets full access to the entire service, and they get VIP access to all other places get $5,000 get $10,000 gets $25,000, they also get VIP 4GB and VIP gets 4 GB gets VIP access and 7 GB gets 4MB gets full service.
00:00:37.000He runs the National Pulse and has a long history in populist politics, like predating MAGA as one of Nigel Farage's key consultants and really just friends during the whole role in Brexit.
00:00:54.000We're gonna start by getting into all of the big breaking news, including more lunacy surrounding the Alvin Bragg baseless Trump indictment nonsense.
00:01:07.000Let's talk about Joe Biden using his first veto.
00:01:12.000Joe Biden literally this week issued his first veto of his presidency to stop a bipartisan, okay, a bipartisan anti-ESG bill, okay, which stands for Environmental and Social Governance.
00:01:29.000Okay, in other words, they want to take your money to promote woke bullshit, and even Joe Biden's Democrat-controlled Senate was against it, because of course that's not going to be good for your
00:02:11.000Even the Democrat-controlled Senate, obviously past the Republican House, but even the Democrat-controlled Senate didn't want to require, essentially, your money to be invested in woke garbage, but
00:02:27.000And of course, Biden lied and claimed that the bill would risk your retirement savings by making it illegal to consider risk factors.
00:02:36.000MAGA House Republicans don't like that.
00:02:39.000I believe he called out Marjorie Taylor Greene in name in this.
00:02:44.000In reality, Biden wants you to have to consider environmental and social justice factors when investing instead of just doing what's best for your portfolio, for your retirement, for your returns.
00:03:08.000If the environmental stuff isn't the best return for you, well, we'll put you in it anyway, because as long as you're funding their woke bullshit, who really cares what happens to your retirement?
00:03:18.000Then we'll put you on a government-funded program when you can't afford to do anything, and you'll be a Democrat voter for life.
00:03:25.000Why do Democrats want to play woke games with people's retirements, with their savings?
00:03:32.000They've worked for their whole lives for these things, and they want you to have to be in there, to have to play that game.
00:04:16.000I mean, President Biden has been nothing but consistent about his belief, foundational belief, in human rights.
00:04:24.000And LGBTQ plus rights are human rights.
00:04:29.000And we again, back to the earlier question, are never going to shy away, be bashful about speaking up for those rights and for individuals to live as they deem fit, as they want to live.
00:04:41.000And that's something that's a core part of our foreign policy and it will remain so.
00:05:34.000We're playing dangerous games on the brink of World War Three, which in my opinion, only Trump can stop because he's the only one that wants to and the only one that's not profiteering from the escalation that we've seen over this.
00:05:47.000At the same time that that meeting has happened, President Xi of China and Vladimir Putin of Russia strengthening their ties, the Biden team is meeting with the cast of the show, Tad Lasso, to talk about a mental health initiative.
00:06:11.000As important as stopping thermonuclear war, okay?
00:06:17.000So while Russia and China are strengthening their ties, the Biden administration is focused on something, let's say, a little less important.
00:06:41.000China's trying to take over the world.
00:06:43.000They're partnering with guys all over the place.
00:06:46.000They want to get with Saudi and they want to be able to make our petrodollars into the yuan.
00:06:50.000And then all the nice creature comforts America gets funding their woke bullshit because we're borrowing trillions that our children will eventually have to pay back or not be able to pay back, which is a whole other story.
00:07:39.000So now we go back to the sham indictment of Trump and now Ron DeSantis takes another shot at Trump.
00:07:47.000So I guess for our last news before we get to Rahim, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, who's been abusing his power for months while going slack on actual criminals,
00:08:01.000is pursuing the indictment of my father.
00:08:05.000We've been reading it about it all this week.
00:08:06.000And like we told you on Monday, these far-left Soros DAs are hell-bent on weaponizing the justice system against their political enemies.
00:08:16.000We've been watching it now for like eight years under Trump, right?
00:08:19.000They've been trying to throw... I know, I did 50 hours of testimony for treason, a crime punishable by death.
00:08:27.000In front of the Senate Intelligence Committee, the House Intelligence Committee, the House Judiciary Committee, the January 6th Commission.
00:08:36.000Like, they've been trying to do this stuff against my whole family for eight years.
00:08:42.000Nothing against Biden, nothing against the family that's taking a billion dollar investment from China, all sorts of payoffs from China, direct money.
00:08:51.000I know that Haley Biden is a great Chinese investor and someone that would merit taking a lot of money for nothing, just like Hunter took a lot of money for no-show jobs in Ukraine and money laundered from Russian oligarchs, but none of that is news, folks.
00:09:08.000But they don't care about the facts or the law.
00:09:12.000This is all about personal destruction.
00:09:15.000They want to go after any of their enemies.
00:09:18.000This case hinges on bizarre, unfounded legal theories about campaign finance law that even the experts are scratching their head on.
00:09:28.000And beyond that, there's like a statute of limitations that's also run out, but you know, minor details.
00:09:34.000The time has run out to try this so-called novel legal theory, but again, who really cares when you don't actually want to follow the laws of the land?
00:09:44.000But when you're a radical prosecutor who's trying to curry favor inside the Democrat Party and suck up to your donors like George Soros, none of that ever matters.
00:09:56.000And perhaps just as big of an issue was some of the weak Republican response from alleged conservatives like Ron DeSantis who think the whole thing is a non-issue.
00:10:08.000Because yet again, Governor DeSantis is showing just how unprepared he really is for the threats that his country is facing.
00:10:16.000He's not ready for the big leagues if you don't think that this is one of the biggest issues of our time and you're not willing to engage in it, right?
00:10:23.000I understand a lot of his billionaire sort of establishment donors and the people like Karl Rove and Paul Ryan and George Soros who
00:10:34.000Was talking about how he's going to be the guy.
00:10:36.000I mean, you know, I get that they want him going after Trump, but for our people, guys, if you don't think they're going to weaponize this against you one day, you haven't been watching.
00:10:48.000Of all people, I guess Ron decided to sit down with Piers Morgan.
00:11:13.000I mean just as long as you also call me a winner because that's what we've been able to do in Florida is put a lot of points on the board and really take the state to the next level.
00:11:24.000As the radical Democrats are indating my father and destroying the fabric of our nation, DeSantis, pathetically, is turning not only to the establishment media, but foreign media, in order to form his rhino handlers and help him go after the America First movement.
00:11:42.000Again, I'd love for this stuff to not be happening, but, and I've been silent.
00:11:47.000I haven't attacked him, even if they've got sort of the influencers going after Trump for the last few years.
00:12:19.000You know, there's the stuff like, he would have fired Fauci!
00:12:21.000Just go look at all the things that he did.
00:12:23.000Is there any actual evidence that he would have Fauci?
00:12:25.000Did he come out against him at the time?
00:12:27.000It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback and after the facts say all the things he would have done when it's politically expedient, but like, we see the tweets.
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00:16:06.000Guys, we're here now with my buddy Raheem Kassam from The National Pulse, good friend and a guy that was really, really, really early in the populist movement, like actually before MAGA.
00:16:21.000Now, I don't want to give him too much credit, I'm sure he'll take some himself, but Raheem,
00:16:28.000Give people, you know, I think a lot of my fans are going to know obviously who you are, your work with Nigel Farage and Brexit, but give us a little bit of an insight into that and then I want to sort of compare and contrast the movements as well as sort of where they've gone.
00:16:42.000Well thank you for having me and thank you for asking that question because I think the thing I like to try and tell people right now in America is how similar the Republican apparatus, the establishment GOP, how similar it looks to the Conservative Party, the Tory Party in Britain that I left
00:17:03.000In 2009-10 to support Nigel and his party, the UK Independence Party, and that's how we kind of broke away from the establishment norms and did something over the next several years, you know, that led to a global changing arrangement in Britain's relationship with the European Union.
00:17:20.000And all of the knock-on effects will occur from that.
00:17:23.000And I look at the, you know, I'm here on Capitol Hill and so I get to see it every day and I get to live it every day.
00:17:31.000I see so much of the similarities between the establishment conservative movement here, now, and then in England.
00:17:40.000If you want your country to look like what the United Kingdom looks like today in five to ten years' time, then go ahead.
00:17:46.000Keep choosing the same establishment candidates and so forth.
00:17:51.000Um, but you know, as I always say, there is, there is one movement and in particular, I think you know him, one man that I find can arrest that particularly well.
00:17:59.000Um, and that's why, that's why I've, I've been banging on about it since I first saw him in, in Vegas in 2015 at Freedom Fest.
00:18:10.000I was the one who convinced Steve Bannon that Trump was our guy.
00:18:13.000Steve and the Breitbart machine was on the cruise train very early on and I was one of his deputies and I just kept hammering him and hammering him and hammering him and there's a whole long story behind it but one day he turned to me and he just went, you know, I think you might get your Trump thing after all.
00:18:29.000But talk a little bit about that, because I mean, you're talking about the establishment, and honestly, it's been sort of an interesting week or 10 days, even two weeks, watching sort of the establishment do its thing, in my opinion, to try to capture
00:18:43.000You know, like we're gonna morph into MAGA, even if it's not really MAGA, even if it's just for votes.
00:18:52.000And what are your thoughts of what that's doing in America, where they're sort of, they're trying to be MAGA, but then they end up showing their true colors and where they really are?
00:19:01.000Because that manipulation is perhaps what's most disturbing about politics, right?
00:19:06.000Because you think someone's on your team, you think someone's actually doing,
00:19:11.000You know, what you want as a voter, as a working class American who wants to put America first, all the tenants of the MAGA movement.
00:19:18.000But some people seem like they're being appealing to that, but then they're not.
00:19:27.000Did you see that in the UK, the infiltration of that movement by the establishment who is so concerned about losing their power?
00:19:35.000Yeah, well, nerds will remember that the 2010 election in the United Kingdom was particularly strange because it led to a hung parliament, no overall majority in government.
00:19:44.000And the Conservative Party, that I was a part of, that I was, you know, if people look back, they'll see me sitting behind David Cameron at rally speeches, you know, a very young me and a very young David Cameron.
00:19:58.000And as soon as that election was over, the Tories had nothing but to go into a coalition governance deal with the Liberal Democrat Party.
00:20:06.000I mean, that is a party to the left of your Democrats.
00:20:08.000That is a party to the left of, in a lot of ways, to the left of the Labour Party in Britain.
00:20:13.000And so and so immediately everything changed, right?
00:20:16.000The claims of authenticity about putting British interests first, about lowering immigration, border control, about bringing crime down, like all of these red meat promises that
00:20:29.000You know, all politicians know how to throw up, but very few know how to follow up on.
00:20:33.000We're tossed out of the window immediately.
00:20:35.000The day the coalition deal was signed, and the day that David Cameron and Nick Clegg, who's now over at Meta, by the way, walked into Downing Street together, hand in hand.
00:21:31.000Yeah, I mean, talk, give us your thoughts about the last sort of two weeks, because it's sort of been, you know, very interesting that some of the people, you know, again, that you would have said, hey, that's a great, you know, someone, you know, in line, certainly for the, let's call it the MAGA throne, if we're going to use British, you know, sort of analogies, but, you know, sort of running to that
00:21:51.000In my opinion, sort of the Karl Rove, Paul Ryan, you know, establishment and really the billionaire donor class of conservatism.
00:21:59.000And I think that's, again, I think a lot of those people are very happy to sort of, you know, use the mantle of MAGA republicanism to get what they want.
00:22:07.000But are they really ever going to be tough on China if they can get their widget for half a cent less?
00:22:12.000And the answer is probably not, in my opinion.
00:22:14.000But I'd love your I'd love your thoughts on it, because, again, it's been a sort of telling week.
00:22:19.000I've been really quiet on a lot of the stuff that I've seen, even over the last few months, because I actually believe in this shit, right?
00:22:26.000Like, I want there to be a deep, like, MAGA bench, because I have five kids and I want to leave them a country that, you know, I understand, that I believe in, that believes the things that, you know, we all believe.
00:22:39.000And, you know, I think even my eyes continue to be opened on a daily basis.
00:22:44.000Well look, the last couple of days I've been in DC and New York, and I went up to New York to watch the NYYRC's put together, that's the New York Young Republicans, put together their protest.
00:23:00.000uh down in the uh down in the in in downtown Manhattan and and I am I'm relatively new to New York in the sense that I get to spend a couple of weeks there every year for the only the last couple of years and I'm always finding new neighborhoods and new areas and I'm on the my feet as as often as possible but but I also feel like I know like I get it now right especially as a Londoner we have competing cities right yes and and I kind of get it I understand it's rebellion and it's artistry and it's like
00:23:26.000You know, boo to the corporate state, except it's not boo to the corporate state now.
00:23:42.000You know, can you imagine if you walked up to a microphone with those people in Zuccotti Park in 2009 and told them, hey, you know, you realize in 12, 13 years you'll be cheering on the corporate state.
00:23:54.000By the way, the Occupy Wall Street crowd, it's sort of interesting.
00:24:04.000Like, I feel like a lot of what they believe is actually so much more MAGA than they would ever allow themselves to believe, in terms of like, you know, there is a difference between, you know, being pro-America for the little guy.
00:24:14.000I mean, MAGA was always about the little guy.
00:24:17.000It was always fighting against the corporate interest if they're taking advantage of the little guy.
00:24:22.000Now, if the little guy is able to benefit, that's great, but that's not what it is.
00:24:25.000That's why the border issue is so critical, right?
00:24:29.000It's why the China issue is so critical.
00:24:31.000And that's where, like, the establishment, like, pretend MAGA, the guys who sort of tried to commandeer the movement for themselves, like, that's where they fail it, in my opinion, because they're all about those other interests because they can make a couple more bucks on it.
00:24:46.000Yeah, and I also think more even at a granular level, when you think about capitalism, you know, no offense, present company acknowledged, but capitalism isn't bulldozers and shiny buildings necessarily, right?
00:25:01.000Capitalism is the deployment of resources where they're best used, and that is dictated by the people, right?
00:25:07.000And so there's a massive, obviously they always talk about democracy, our democracy, our democracy,
00:25:12.000The most democratic part of Western society is, you know, ostensibly, apart from the vote, and we can talk about that, but it's where you get to put your money, right?
00:25:22.000It's where you get, what you get to back, what you get to buy, what you get to do with it.
00:25:26.000These are all things within your gift and within your choice.
00:25:28.000And so, I always think to myself, MAGA is more hippie than people realize, actually, because it's as much development and future-oriented stuff and prosperity-oriented stuff as it is like they pave paradise and put up a parking lot, right?
00:25:47.000It's the balance between those two things.
00:25:50.000That's why people who run as MAGA candidates are different.
00:25:54.000In 16, that was sort of the actual big thing, which was, like, which way some of the people who are now, like, ultra-MAGA, they were Bernie voters.
00:26:03.000I mean, that was sort of the great section of those people because they got that it was about the little guy that was totally underrepresented by both Democrat and
00:26:11.000You know, establishment and Republican establishment.
00:26:19.000I'd actually love to hear your thoughts, because this felt like to me the big I don't think you heard my intro a few minutes ago.
00:26:26.000But, you know, talking about Joe Biden using his first veto.
00:26:31.000To shut down an anti-ESG bipartisan bill because maybe it's not the best investment for your retirement savings, but we're going to force you to put your retirement savings into woke bullshit.
00:26:47.000Because this seems like, you know, bordering like anti-American and especially to override the Democrat Senate, which passed this bill is sort of interesting.
00:26:56.000And yet it's getting no attention from
00:26:59.000I imagine National Pulse will cover it, but certainly no one else is really talking about how crazy this is.
00:27:05.000Yeah, and I'm cognizant of the fact that I sort of skipped over your last question about the last few days and, you know, on to talk about the protests in New York and why that was important and all of the circus surrounding that stuff as well.
00:27:18.000But in direct response with that, you know, this is it now, right?
00:28:05.000And I was like, these are the people who are supposed to be in the jobs that dictate, you know, that are going to get appointed to these corporate boards, you know, where they have these ESG stuff, where they have these mandates and all of that.
00:28:15.000Uh, and I just thought to myself, man, it's, it's, it's kind of beyond salvation.
00:28:24.000We witnessed that last week when, you know, Silicon Valley Bank, with their wonderful array of artists and improv comics, you know, on the board of a major bank, like a top 20 bank, you know, just goes under.
00:29:01.000But again, there doesn't seem to be consequence if you're willing to do that woke stuff.
00:29:05.000So, I mean, listen, I think if these are gonna be the elite minds of the future, we gotta be looking elsewhere because you see that every day.
00:29:13.000You saw what they did to Charlie Kirk at universities.
00:29:16.000God knows, I've spoken at a bunch of universities with Charlie Kirk.
00:29:19.000The universities, we've had one, I think we pre-sold like 13,000 tickets at a pretty major university and they gave us a room that held 1,000 people.
00:29:27.000Like, because, you know, because of course, like we can't allow that thought to even happen on a college campus.
00:29:34.000Now, again, some of those could have been protesters, and that's fine.
00:29:37.000We were willing to put up our ideas versus theirs.
00:29:40.000But, you know, they like to talk about fascism, but they couldn't possibly.
00:29:44.000Hear a dissenting opinion without losing their minds, having to run to their safe spaces.
00:29:51.000And that is what's actually scary when we're putting these people forward as the great minds of the future.
00:29:55.000It's like, well, what are they capable of?
00:29:58.000Regurgitating what someone else told them that is the gospel?
00:30:02.000But Don, what you've just described is the process by which Politburos are created, right?
00:30:09.000These people will leave their colleges and universities, they will enter corporate boards, those boards will necessarily be tied to politics, the state, and their philosophical ideas, or what they've been told their philosophical ideas must be, and that's it.
00:30:24.000That's the state corporate nexus that they were supposed to have studied, you know, it was outside, it was etched on the wall of the new school when I walked past it.
00:30:31.000The studies of fascism, that's what they were supposed to have rejected, right?
00:30:35.000And they are being frog-marched into it wholesale.
00:30:39.000Well, the worst part is they think... They're mutilating their bodies, they want to be, so want to be a part of this thing.
00:30:45.000Oh yeah, like a trans kid is the latest Hollywood accessory, right?
00:30:49.000It's like a nice, you know, pair of Gucci shoes or something like that.
00:30:52.000It's like, we gotta have the trans kid!
00:31:48.000I want to buy these people like a one-way ticket to the socialist utopia of their choice around the world and see just how well they do there because it ain't what they think it is.
00:32:02.000And this is the thing, you know, we're grown up enough politically to realize that there's no functional difference between communism and fascism in the way it treats the citizenry, right?
00:32:36.000They don't see that one is clearly more extreme than the other and that they won't look at, you know, these are the people that we heard about, you know, trust the science.
00:32:47.000Well, what's the science on recidivism?
00:32:50.000For people who have done this to their body when they wake up and they get out of their indoctrination and they're like, holy shit, maybe I'd like to have a kid.
00:32:58.000I mean, I believe it's in like the 90s, like 90% of people, like when they have a chance to go back and like, they go through whatever they're going through.
00:33:06.000And I'm sure, you know, as youth, we've all had that, but that they're preying on youth and kids as young as three, they want them to be able to make these decisions.
00:33:13.000That kid can't buy a fucking pack of cigarettes for 15 years, but like, you can chop your dick off and it totally like, what could go wrong?
00:33:20.000I remember they did this with a whole generation of girls with bulimia, right?
00:33:25.000It was on the magazine covers, all of that.
00:33:28.000And then suddenly everybody had bulimia.
00:33:30.000Well, you know, whatever happened to that?
00:33:33.000Well, did you guys, did you see the statistics?
00:33:36.000I saw something like, it was like two, three weeks ago in the news.
00:33:39.000It was like all these, you know, women and kids, they were doing like the statistics and like, it was like 50% of like women at their identified as bisexual.
00:33:49.000And yet during the pandemic, none of them actually had a bisexual relationship because like, you know, you're a little bit less, you know, you like, and it was like, well, do you think that maybe they were never actually there, but there was literally a social benefit
00:34:09.000To me, it doesn't feel like that class today, they want to try to invoke their minority status these days, but I actually feel like they're
00:34:21.000It's not a disadvantage, it's actually a huge advantage to say that you're these things these days.
00:34:28.000And yet they play up sort of that minority status of it.
00:34:32.000I don't know which way it goes, but it certainly seems like these days, if you're in the military and you check the box that you're trans, you could be an admiral in two or three days.
00:34:52.000And it's, it's, it's one of these things where we, you know, at this point you sort of have to laugh about it because it's so, it's so tragic, right?
00:34:59.000It's, it's... Well, you have to laugh about it until you realize what it's doing.
00:35:03.000Oh, I mean, to me it feels like it's a Chinese psy-op, right?
00:35:06.000We popularize this stuff on TikTok, we, we make kids do what we, like, it's no, like, it's, to me it's like the fentanyl crisis in the sense that
00:35:29.000No, I mean, I don't mean to make light of it.
00:35:31.000I just mean, you know, we come across this stuff in such extreme forms, you know, every step of the day now, that it's hard not to look at this, this level of, like, wanton, self-inflicted human tragedy and sort of throw your hands up and chuckle.
00:35:43.000It's just, it's just, it's something you couldn't even envisage 25 years ago, right?
00:35:48.000If you had told somebody 25, let alone tell the founding fathers that this would be going on in America in 2023, tell somebody 25 years ago, hey, we've got, we've got mass
00:37:01.000The average conservative who's been live and let live, who believes in freedoms, who believes that to wake up and understand exactly what's going on, because they're just in line for the gulags.
00:37:12.000If this trend continues like that's not far off.
00:37:14.000And I'm not making that up because they're literally fucking saying it.
00:37:34.000Yeah and my mother would turn the television on and I'd watch the news and I'd have an opinion about that and I remember at one point I was fixated by the first Gulf War.
00:37:45.000So fixated that my mother would turn the television on and when Saddam was on the TV she'd go look your friend is on TV.
00:38:09.000And, you know, the world changed and we were raised in a Muslim family, so I started to look deeper at what, you know, what we were being taught, what we were told that we had to believe by these Salafist and Wahhabist preachers that were starting to come across, right?
00:39:32.000We saw migration in the United Kingdom go from the tens of thousands, I think it's now around 600,000 net a year, which is the size of a city in England, right?
00:39:47.000It's the size of a major city in England coming in every year.
00:39:51.000Well, people's healthcare is suffering, the infrastructure is creaking, the schools are suffering, and all of these problems that the left were like, oh, well, we need more money for the NHS and we need more money for education.
00:40:04.000UKIP, we were the ones going, yeah, yeah, yeah, but why do you need that?
00:40:07.000Like, why is this exponentially rising?
00:40:10.000And so a lot of the public came with us on that journey, on that intellectual journey that really crescendoed with Brexit, right?
00:40:16.000And it was in 2016, after Brexit happened, that Bannon moved to the campaign and told me to take over his radio show on SiriusXM.
00:40:24.000So I stayed, and I've been in America since, and we rescued human events from irrelevancy, and that's now being very well run, and we've now got the national pulse, and that's expanding over this next year.
00:40:35.000And now I've got the podcast and all of that stuff.
00:40:37.000But my favorite thing, honestly Don, is traveling around the United States.
00:40:42.000It's traveling around the United States, and I think I want to do a documentary about this this year, telling the stories of people whose stories are ignored, right?
00:40:51.000Thinking about places like Lebanon, Kansas, that has, I think, a hundred people left living there, and how it's been just gutted by globalism, and all of the people have left, and it was this, it was this, and there are so many of these examples around the country, and it doesn't have to be that way, and so
00:41:06.000My animosity towards China is born out of that.
00:41:08.000My animosity towards, you know, people who aren't putting America first, who are Americans who are not putting America first, is born purely out of that.
00:41:20.000And again, I, you know, I understand fully where I come from and my background, but I went to
00:41:23.000You know, I went to a boarding school, sort of an elite boarding school, but it was in Pottstown, Pennsylvania, which was the home of Firestone Tires.
00:41:29.000And like, we go around the town, you see these decrepit factories.
00:41:50.000And I had this incredible story, I'm not even sure, I may have put it in my book Triggered, but I remember being there the day of, because we were opening up our golf course in Scotland, up at Turnberry, and I remember being like, hey guys, what do you think?
00:42:06.000And I would talk to the greens crew, right?
00:42:30.000And then you talk to the press, who are from the same area, who live in the same sphere, and they're like, I don't know anyone who would vote for that!
00:42:41.000These are people living next to each other that had literally never had a conversation together, and I go, holy crap, what's going on here?
00:43:01.000You know, they learned quickly that that was a real thing in 60, and they weaponized that in 20.
00:43:05.000Had to have to change the game to be able to win.
00:43:07.000We got to probably play that game to win going forward.
00:43:10.000But, you know, it was amazing to see that, and just really eye-opening, because it was like, wow, like,
00:43:18.000How can there be this big a dichotomy, and neither side could even fathom that there was maybe a middle ground?
00:43:25.000Yeah, look, I like to be introspective in those moments and think to myself, well, the left was telling us how out of touch that we were when we were Ra-Rasis booing over the Iraq invasion, which a lot of us were, right?
00:43:37.000Because there was an enemy and it looked like a good thing to do.
00:43:42.000When we look at the lessons that we learned from the left, and how disconnected they are, how they don't want to talk to ordinary people.
00:43:48.000You know, I was at a hotel, you might know it, not far away from here, just a few days ago.
00:43:53.000Used to have a different name, has a different name now.
00:43:56.000And a lot of the staff were telling me, oh, the liberals come here now, they don't talk to us, they don't tip, they don't shake our hands, they don't ask us how we are, how our day is, like any of that.
00:44:06.000And I just hope we learn the lessons and hold on to those lessons that we're learning what the corporate left looks like.
00:44:12.000They don't care about... Listen, we all understand progress, right?
00:44:15.000We all understand that some jobs will not exist on this earth forever.
00:44:19.000But the indignity with which they treat ordinary people, the indignity with which they treat their towns, their livelihoods, their families, the way they tell them, learn to code, hustle on, like all of this stuff.
00:44:41.000You get thrown off Twitter for being like, but wait, wait, like it was okay when they did it to a farmer because that guy's a lesser guy, but this guy's an elite person that went to an Ivy League school.
00:44:50.000And you know, who cares if they're writing for a journalistic rag, that's not making any money or losing money.
00:44:54.000But like you tell them, Hey guys, maybe a good time to learn the code.
00:44:58.000And all of a sudden now you're an insult.
00:45:00.000Now you're going to get banned for hate speech.
00:45:17.000They threw that at us like it was the great insult that these people weren't capable.
00:45:22.000It turns out the journalist isn't capable of much either, and they sure as shit couldn't run a farm and actually take care of themselves or feed their families.
00:45:29.000But I like to think that these journalists who are being put out of their jobs by ChatGPT, I like to think that one of the farmers seven years ago went and learned to code, and then he coded ChatGPT, and now ChatGPT is putting all the journalists out of business.
00:45:45.000The difference is AI can't do farming yet.
00:45:48.000By the way, maybe it can one day, okay?
00:45:53.000And maybe that's where technology is going.
00:45:55.000But I'll say this, AI sure as shit learned how to replace a worthless journalist a lot faster than they did the farmers who those journalists felt were so much less than them, who were so comfortably ridiculing them as, you know, MAGA idiots.
00:46:13.000Tells you a lot about them though, doesn't it?
00:46:27.000Any smart person would have seen that coming.
00:46:29.000They would have gone, hold on a minute, you know, what is one of the simplest things to do?
00:46:35.000You know, you can be good at it, bad at it, but if you take the aggregate of human knowledge and you told the AI, hey, can you just churn out some copy about this latest news item?
00:46:43.000Chances are you're going to be able to do that.
00:46:45.000Chances are less that you're going to be able to serve the function of a farmer across a farm and all the different elements that go into that, right?
00:47:02.000And that's why I think, and you've been a leader on the forefront of this, I think the independent journalism away from the corporate juggernaut is such an important thing because those guys actually are irreplaceable.
00:47:18.000You know, I don't imagine that Glenn Greenwald and I have probably a lot in common politically, and yet, like, I'm just psyched that a guy is willing to be like, hey, like, wait a minute, I'm leaving the institution that I founded because they're incapable of breaking away from the woke corporate leftist talking points, and, like, we have to have these conversations.
00:47:37.000You know, you've done that, even from, you know, more established conservative media, to do your own independent stuff, and, like, those guys
00:48:35.000It was being out there on the peripheries and pushing, being independent, pushing those boundaries, like doing something different, innovating a little bit.
00:48:43.000Maybe you might mess up a few times along the way, but you're doing something that is interesting and it's artistic and it's in other people's interests as well.
00:48:51.000And here then you have, you know, the widow using that cash that was made from that philosophy to do what you just said, right?
00:48:58.000It's rehash stayed talking points by the corporate machine.
00:49:04.000And, you know, I have my views about where Apple as a company has gone as well, but I just think that's so ironic.
00:49:08.000And it's all of the money that they made being intelligent and different.
00:49:12.000And it's like when you see Springsteen in the White House now with Biden, it's like, once upon a time, I can see that that was cool.
00:50:01.000I was listening to Jungleland just this morning actually, which is a great song off that album, which is, you know, Springsteen would have no idea what's going on where that was, you know, written about now.
00:50:20.000Was there a parallel like that in the UK or were just one side just sort of had enough?
00:50:25.000Because, you know, in us, you saw Joe Biden, the only thing he's been right about in like the two unchanged years, he's been in office, he's like, who'd have thought that Republicans would be voting for like blue collar, you know, they'd be getting those votes.
00:50:47.000Like, of course they're going to flip.
00:50:51.000Yeah, British culture is very different from American culture.
00:50:55.000They say we are united by the common language, but we're such wildly different people actually, and our political systems share some things.
00:51:07.000But culturally, Britain is very uncool, but in a cool way.
00:51:15.000It's like we know that like at times we can be a little bit Mr Bean and at times we can be a little Basil Fawlty and at times we you know and we kind of lean into that kind of thing and but with Americans the reason I loved America from the from the moment I set foot here as a child or the first time was everything in America and I guess you know I I suppose this this is a perfect um denouement for where this or or dovetailing for where this
00:51:41.000Um, where my life has come to so far, which is that America was, like, big and bold and brash and-and-and out there and in your face, and it was, you know, smashing cans of beer together at the ball game and-and all of this, and you had all these cool, uh, television adverts.
00:51:55.000Do you remember the old, um, the Coors Light advert with the dancing cheerleader twins and all of that?
00:52:18.000Look at what they're doing culturally now with shows like Succession, right?
00:52:22.000They're trying desperately to, like, go back to a time when things were just a little bit more cool and a little bit more brash and, like, as much as you are supposed to dislike Logan Roy, you kind of love Logan Roy, right?
00:52:35.000Well, that's sort of the interesting one, is sort of, you know, the attack on all of that, right?
00:52:41.000Like, they've destroyed humor because you're not allowed to be funny because there's a microaggression hidden in everything.
00:52:49.000They've just, they've drained, like, you have to think about everything.
00:52:54.000I mean, I guess I've been blessed in that maybe I have a big enough platform that if I say something that comes up, I'm like, I don't care, fuck you.
00:53:00.000Like, you know, I can get away with it.
00:53:02.000To someone else, there's a social consequence.
00:53:04.000You'll be like, if you didn't think about it, you know, how many of the, like, white suburban mothers that were posting black squares over BLM know anything?
00:53:22.000Do you think they're still talking about it, by the way?
00:53:25.000No, because the whole thing was a scam, and if you're not a fucking idiot, you would have realized it was a scam from moment number one.
00:53:31.000I mean, people are now living in their Bel Air mansions.
00:53:34.000It's like, who would have thought that, you know, funneling hundreds of millions of dollars in corporate America into something with no structure or no this?
00:53:40.000But again, if it was a conservative cause, people would be in jail.
00:53:51.000They'll use their platform to go after us as though, you know, it's sort of like the Al Sharpton model.
00:53:55.000It's like, you pay me and you won't have a protest.
00:53:58.000Because you're not really racist, but if you're not paying me, if I'm not on the payroll, you get no protection and we'll come up with something to make you racist.
00:54:06.000I mean, it's just that on a much larger scale.
00:54:12.000It's scary, but they've sucked the life out of everything, which is why I hope that ordinary people can make a comeback.
00:54:18.000Because again, for me, when I go after it, they try to cancel me.
00:54:21.000When the New York Times, when they write a hit piece on me, I'm like, this is wonderful.
00:54:27.000It means I'm relevant, and I'm making a difference, and I'm on the right path.
00:54:31.000For the average person, though, they can't weather that storm.
00:54:40.000How do we get through the sort of failure of leadership that has allowed it to get this far, where people sort of, they're just afraid of existence?
00:54:50.000So the Mirror newspaper in the UK once did an entire listicle about me, and they said, the headline was, I was in a race for UKIP leadership at the time, and it said, the 13 people and things this UKIP leadership candidate has told to fuck off.
00:55:10.000And then it just listed lots of my tweets.
00:55:13.000I tweeted in July 2016, Obama can fuck right off.
00:57:51.000And I think the counterpoint to that is something I've been thinking of, and it's something that stood out to me at Mar-a-Lago in the announcement speech, right?
00:58:02.000Which was somebody, somewhere, at the end of the speech is always, make America strong again, make America safe again.
00:58:08.000Somebody put, make America glorious again, and then make America great again.
00:58:13.000And it's jarring, and it doesn't fit, and it doesn't flow, but it works so well.
00:58:18.000Because glory is better than greatness.
00:58:20.000And I just keep picturing in my head every day, you know, the counterpoint to the sweary, angry conservative is the conservative that seeks glory and is a happy warrior, right?
00:58:30.000So the red mugger hat with tall white lettering that just says glory etched in gold.
00:58:35.000And I think that's what we're really seeing here, right?
00:58:38.000It's gone from being a political battle to being a spiritual battle.
00:58:41.000And that brings me right back to why I went to New York and why I think those New York Young Republicans did what they did.
00:59:32.000And you know, they've grown that organization from 80 members three years ago to over, I think it's over 1100 dues paying members every year now.
00:59:41.000And it's amazing because they do, they do, yeah, they do politics and they do activism and things like that.
00:59:46.000But they also do like work in the community.
01:00:26.000Even, like, the Washington Post is like, I don't know, man.
01:00:28.000It seems like it's sort of, again, the Amazon Jeff Bezos-owned Washington Post is like, this seems to be on shaky legal grounds.
01:00:35.000And they've been trying to get Trump for eight years, and they're going to now get him on this, you know, Stormy Daniels nonsense when he already won in court.
01:00:44.000And, like, I believe Stormy Daniels is paying his legal fees.
01:00:51.000What are your thoughts as that, both as someone who's in the D.C.
01:00:55.000sort of political sphere, but also someone coming at it from an outsider's perspective that this is going on in America in 2023?
01:01:03.000Look, I have to be a little callous about it, given that it's going on to your family, but I have to say I'm delighted because this returns him to the Oval Office.
01:01:11.000You know, this level of persecution, even the most hostile polling,
01:01:32.000Yeah, because let's not forget, like, the feds who pushed, like, the Russia, Russia, Russia collusion saw this and decided there wasn't enough for them to pursue it.
01:01:44.000So this fat New York district attorney, George Soros, funded, I guess, you know, that, you know, that's a dividend that's paying back for George Soros and his funding.
01:02:41.000Listen, the interesting parts of this are not even necessarily what Alvin Bragg and the obviously, you know, Soros-driven machine is doing.
01:02:51.000They're doing the things that are predictable, right?
01:02:52.000The interesting part is the response from the Republican candidates.
01:03:00.000By the Florida governor's response over the last week.
01:03:03.000And I don't care if you're in a primary against this guy, and I don't care if you're insulting him, and you're stealing his donors, and he's stealing your donors, and you're insulting each other, and blah blah.
01:03:13.000When push comes to shove, you look at the record of the person, you look at the fact that you put, you put Pitbull, Trump, Defender in your advert to get re-elected.
01:03:27.000He did the Ukraine stuff one week, and then all of the establishment, the establishment Republicans, the country club money, bore down on him and said, you can't do that, it's not right, the Wall Street Journal is going to hit you, and all of this stuff.
01:03:38.000And then this thing comes up, and he thinks to himself, or somebody tells him to think to himself, oh well, I can't upset my donors twice in two weeks, so I can't take Trump's side on this.
01:03:47.000Because I hesitate to believe that for a second he thinks this is the right thing to do.
01:03:52.000If he does think this is the right thing to do at this time,
01:03:56.000Oh my god, it says far worse things than if he's just a sellout.
01:04:00.000Yeah, and then to double down and sort of go on Piers Morgan, that's what was scary to me because like I said, I, you know,
01:04:07.000I mean, I want Jill Biden to succeed if that means it's going to be good for America and its future.
01:04:12.000I don't believe anything they're doing even remotely resembles that, but that's what was scary about it.
01:04:18.000Like, he sort of went, you know, maybe not all in Trump, like, hey, Trump's going to prevent World War III, but maybe we should figure out what's going on in Ukraine.
01:04:24.000You saw the Paul Ryan class, the warmongers, the military industrial establishment, the billionaire donor class, like,
01:04:31.000You can't, and it was like, oh, well, now we go, because this was like a no-brainer.
01:04:34.000Like, if you can't, you know, when you're being outflanked by, like, Tom Emmer and, you know, rhinos in Congress, if you're being outflanked, and I don't think he's this way, but a lot of people would say Kevin McCarthy, you know, if you're being, like, aggressively outflanked on an issue of, like, weaponizing the government against your political opposition by, like,
01:04:57.000Any of those, you know, old-school members of Congress?
01:05:42.000You know, there's been paid influencers on that team attacking Trump for the last year and a half, like building up this, you know, sort of momentum.
01:05:48.000But, you know, when you get put on the stage, when you get put on the spot, there is a difference between having sort of a paid influencer, you know, what I always say, like dunking on some local reporter who's not capable of coming back and then making it go viral in the internet and like not understanding a fundamental issue of our time and hitting back and attacking.
01:06:08.000Yeah, in terms of understanding all of this stuff, you know, timelines are very important.
01:06:12.000You know, people will say, oh, you know, Trump attacked the Santas, but like...
01:06:16.000DeSantis' newfound donor pals, in the form of Citadel and all of that class, went and pre-briefed Politico before the midterms.
01:06:28.000I asked the Politico reporter whose byline it was under when the interview took place and she happily told me.
01:06:34.000So I went through the timeline and I was like, oh wait, so the Trump attack on DeSantis actually came after Trump would have got word that DeSantis' donors were pre-briefing against him ahead of the midterms.
01:08:25.000Remember, they don't make millions of dollars.
01:08:27.000Don't forget, you know, they're getting 10 to 20% on an ad buy.
01:08:31.000So if you would see a commercial, someone's making 20%, just replacing it there.
01:08:35.000If you see an ad in a paper, if you see a TV hit, if you see this,
01:08:39.000You know, what people don't understand, and I know because these guys have tried to get me to run, you know.
01:08:45.000There's so much money in this game that the people giving you advice, they may not even give you, if the best advice is to sit out, well, then they make no money that cycle, because Trump's not hiring them.
01:08:58.000And so you create this thing where they don't even have a choice but to try to differentiate you.
01:09:03.000But if you don't have the strength, the will, the skill, instinct to push back against it, you go along with it blindly.
01:09:11.000And that's perhaps why we are where we are because no one's actually willing to say what they really think because they're beholden to that.
01:09:36.000And so, you know, I see the same people that were, you know, 100% Jeb, whether it's the Paul Ryans of the world, the Karl Robes of the world, like, they're all on Team DeSantis, and that has to tell you something these days.
01:09:50.000Yeah, that was what really set me off with it.
01:09:53.000You know, I first interviewed him as a congressman in 2015, and I looked at, I didn't know who he was when the producer told me he was on the line.
01:10:00.000I said, I don't know who you've booked here.
01:10:02.000You know, just a run-of-the-mill congressman, right?
01:10:05.000And he comes on and I pull him up on Wikipedia and I'm looking at his history and his background and his family and I said to him, I don't know if it was on air or if it was in the break or something, I said to him, you look like presidential material to me so maybe I'm to blame.
01:10:23.000And the problem is, every time now that you hear from him, he sounds less and less like the part.
01:10:30.000It sounds more defensive and squirrelly, it sounds more nasal, and it sounds so much more like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan than anything I've heard in a very long time.
01:10:40.000Yeah, listen, I think there's a component of that too.
01:10:59.000It was always like, hey, that's the guy.
01:11:00.000And maybe that's what we need is the guy that will say what he's actually thinking, not what the polling comes back and not what the consultant class tells him he says he has to do.
01:11:08.000His polling was, you know, gathering 25,000 people in a room and listening to the applause, be like, oh, OK, we got to hit that because our people want that.
01:11:18.000Not a guy that's going to make money lobbying against that really wants that.
01:11:22.000So let's make sure that's what's actually a priority.
01:11:26.000And by the way, you know, all of these people, because some of them are my friends, right?
01:11:29.000And they've found their way over to the other side.
01:11:31.000And they always say to me, oh, but don't you think that Trump should have questions to answer about Fauci and the pandemic?
01:11:37.000Like, yes, obviously, all politicians have questions to answer about everything that happens, right?
01:11:43.000Like, that's what primary season is for.
01:12:02.000But what we can't have is a situation where, you know, you don't just have a political opponent on stage with you, you know, hurling these things against you.
01:12:09.000At the same time, you have 16, 17, you know, 20, 25 different legal cases that the state is bearing down on you, and you have all of this stuff.
01:12:20.000Um, the nonsense of like, there's no precedent for this.
01:12:24.000You know, people go, oh, in 2000 this thing happened with the hanging chairs and all that stuff.
01:12:28.000It's so far beyond people's comprehension, like how deep some of this rabbit hole goes.
01:12:33.000Um, I mean, even what, I'm no fan of Fox anymore, but, but, but even what, what Fox is going through between State Street Capital and Dominion and all of this stuff, it's insane.
01:12:44.000And it takes every second of every day to keep up to date with it, right?
01:12:47.000That's why people like me do, that's why I have a job, is because AI can't do what I could do, right?
01:12:53.000Which is go through things and pick out the signal from the noise.
01:12:56.000And all I can say is God bless you, man, and God bless your family, because I'm an observer on the outside and I'm exhausted.
01:13:04.000Well, but, you know, but you're doing it.
01:13:05.000I mean, I always talk about, like, people are like, so what can we do?
01:13:07.000I'm like, you know, sort of, I always talk about sort of the parallel economy.
01:13:11.000We have to sort of fight back because they've weaponized everything against us.
01:13:13.000You've done that, you know, with national policy.
01:13:16.000You've done that with, you know, human events.
01:13:18.000You know, talk about what that's like, because again, you know, even conservative mainstream media is not necessarily for MAGA.
01:13:26.000You can see that in the influence and what they push.
01:14:16.000But it's hard as an American to fathom that.
01:14:19.000So talk about how you've done that, how you've grown those institutions, and how so many other Americans have to do that and support these things.
01:14:27.000Because I truly believe if we don't, we're just becoming this unified corporate borg that just goes where it is.
01:14:35.000And again, that's a critique of our side as well.
01:14:39.000Yeah, look, I mean, our approach to media is very much the British approach to the world, which is we are small, but we punch large, right?
01:15:09.000Who, who nine times out of 10, I mean, you know, this from, from relatively recently, people try and get me to leave the house, you know, to have dinner.
01:15:16.000And I'm like, yeah, but I'm like reading 15 different articles right now.
01:15:20.000And I got an audio book on in the background and like, I'm just consuming as much information and making as many abstractions as possible.
01:15:56.000You know, obviously doing this podcast on there, it's like, finally now a place that can't get canceled.
01:16:01.000I could have built up a big following on YouTube, like I have on my other social channels, but I don't want to say what I believe and be canceled the next day.
01:16:08.000And more importantly, I don't want to build up a following and then have to whitewash what I want to say, because I'm going to offend one person and then it's all gone and I'm off.
01:16:18.000They don't want you to build your own.
01:16:20.000It's not about trying to compete a little bit.
01:16:23.000It's like, well, we're going to do totally unrelated roadblocks and prevent you from doing it at all costs to make sure that the DNC talking points are the gospel.
01:16:43.000And nowadays, I have to be like, you know, liaising with this system that we use on the site that builds memberships.
01:16:50.000And they're telling me that actually, you know, the financial thing that they use, Stripe, might have this problem with some of the things we publish.
01:17:01.000And so these are the things that, you know, the administrative things, the boring and the tedious things, I think, that people have to, you know, you have to realize it's a grind.
01:17:14.000And then on the other side, you know, I like to surround myself with as many sources as possible.
01:17:19.000Like, I will read The Guardian and The Independent and The New York Times, you know, more, almost more, than I will read Breitbart or Human Events or Postmillennial, National Pulse, or anything like that, right?
01:17:32.000Because knowing your enemy is so much more important than you realize.
01:17:36.000I used to subscribe to The Atlantic, but then they totally lost their mind, so I don't even care what they
01:17:42.000I mean, they may as well print it on rolling paper at this point.
01:17:45.000It's really, by the way, like, it's impressive.
01:17:47.000It's almost like, it's literally like the national lampoons of leftism at this point, where it's like, let's take, like, I could write their articles.
01:17:56.000With perfection, just lampooning, ridiculing what they're probably going to say on a take.
01:18:05.000And, you know, I guess we could do that about a lot of things.
01:18:07.000But while we have sort of a policy nerd on there, let's talk foreign policy for a second.
01:18:47.000You think about every conflict... I was in Ukraine, in Kiev, during the Madan Revolution in 2014, by the way, and I saw all of that changing government
01:19:11.000It was completely unavoidable because of the EU's policy, because of NATO's policy.
01:19:15.000And yes, obviously, I shouldn't need to say this because of Russia's policy too, but, you know, just for the people that, you know, will say, oh, he's apologizing for Putin.
01:19:22.000You know, I was an apologist for being like, wait a minute.
01:19:24.000So NATO wants to move the border of NATO 500 miles closer, right onto Russia's border after like a, let's call it a 50 year, like no man's land, a 50 year stalemate.
01:20:00.000The Obama, I'm not saying Obama wasn't interested in self-enrichment, but Obama is more of an ideologue, right?
01:20:05.000Obama was more interested in actually materially changing the United States, he would say for the better, we would agree for the worse, but for the foreseeable future.
01:20:15.000Change the way the executive branch works, change the way, you know, politics is done from a local level right up to the corporate state level.
01:20:24.000It's not just the state level now, the corporate state level.
01:21:12.000And wouldn't if you had an even basic understanding of the region, right?
01:21:16.000It's, you know, it's one, it's, it sounds nice on paper, but it's never going to happen.
01:21:20.000And that's why they've moved the region, right?
01:21:22.000I like your opinion on this though, because I agree with everything you're saying, except for, I actually think that, you know, perhaps Joe Biden's been much more effective than Obama in doing those things in the sense that at least Obama sort of had the political instinct or the sense to not
01:21:41.000He believed all these things, he wanted to do all these things, but he wasn't going to risk his political legacy destroying the economy to do so.
01:21:49.000I feel like in Joe Biden, they have sort of the useful idiot who will sign whatever they put in front of him, clearly doesn't have an understanding of it.
01:21:57.000Clearly, even if there was a time where maybe he did have an understanding, which I'm not sure there ever was, clearly doesn't today.
01:22:05.000I sort of feel like he's been a very useful pawn furthering that legacy far more effectively than Obama ever could, simply because he's willing to sign anything they stick in front of him and they're more than happy to destroy his legacy because they don't give a shit.
01:22:20.000Yeah, but all you're talking about is the fact that Obama didn't want to, you know, Obama wanted to have a legacy as president and Joe Biden doesn't know he's president.
01:22:27.000I mean, that's effectively what it comes down to.
01:22:37.000I actually think for the first time in modern times, you know, people on our side, the conservative side, we're actually probably winning the war of, you know, ideals.
01:22:49.000I think people are more with us, but I don't think it's panning out in elections.
01:22:53.000Talk to us, you know, your thoughts on what we have to do to actually win elections.
01:22:56.000Meaning, I don't think, you know, the moderate Democrat who still exists, has no representation in government, but who still exists in America, thinks, you know,
01:23:07.000Three-year-olds making permanent decisions is the issue of our time, as we've been told by the Democrats.
01:23:16.000What do we have to do to actually win at the ballot box, where they weaponize COVID to do mail-in balloting?
01:23:22.000They're much more shrewd than us in the way they play the game.
01:23:26.000We want paper ballots on the same day, and we want IDs.
01:23:30.000All that stuff is wonderful, but you can't do that until you actually win.
01:23:34.000Right now, they've got to lay the battlefield.
01:23:36.000What do we have to do to stop falling behind in those issues?
01:23:41.000Because again, I actually think we're winning on the issues these days, but it's not panning out at the ballot box the way we'd want it to.
01:23:47.000You can win a local election, but national is becoming almost impossible.
01:23:52.000Well, I mean, your father wouldn't like me saying this, but we have to stop being so fucking nice.
01:24:05.000Yeah, no, he's the nice guy who doesn't like swearing.
01:24:08.000And I, you know, and I'm saying we have to stop being so fucking nice.
01:24:11.000I just think, you know, in the year 2000,
01:24:14.000There was a contentious election in America and a lot of people remember it for the sensationalized tabloid elements of the hanging chads, right?
01:24:22.000But what people forget quite easily is there were a lot of votes that were swayed by the way that machines were deployed, especially in Floridian counties.
01:24:33.000And in certain counties of certain demographics, the machines would just suck up the ballot, even if it had an error in it, and it would dispose of it the way it would dispose of it, you know, disqualified, whatever.
01:24:44.000In other demographic counties, the machines would take the ballot, see that there was an error, spit it back out at the person who filed it and said, you're going to want to correct these errors, otherwise we're not going to be able to count your ballot.
01:24:56.000It was low-level cheating, but it was cheating.
01:24:59.000And it was cheating in favor of the Republicans in those counties.
01:25:03.000And we have to remember that we know how to cheat too.
01:25:07.000Uh, if that's the way you want to play it, then we're going to do things too.
01:25:12.000And we're going to have our, you know, buddies who are billionaires buy up the hedge funds that own the companies that make the machines too.
01:25:21.000And we're going to ballot harvest too.
01:25:23.000And we, you know, we're going to do all of these things that, that fine.
01:25:27.000We can't be, we can't be watching and playing.
01:25:29.000We're playing t-ball while they're playing hardball.
01:25:32.000Right, but we have principles, we've laid out those principles, they've told us they don't care about the principles, they don't care about a fair fight, fine, okay, fair fight's off, gloves are off, everybody's cheating, okay?
01:25:41.000And to be honest with you, if people look back through most American elections, most elections in the West, most are not completely clean, right?
01:25:51.000Most have elements of jiggery-pokery going on here or there.
01:25:55.000And so it's about leaning back into those things.
01:26:39.000Most of these TikTok people, like, you know, young people, influencer types, whatever, if you say, hey, you know, we're gonna have a great time, yeah, whatever, if you tell them, no, it's gonna be glorious, they'll be like, all right, like, it's gonna be good, right?
01:26:54.000And I think there's something different, not just, obviously, through the verbiage there,
01:27:00.000But there's also something, it's an appeal to something different.
01:27:08.000And it's not like, you can't toss it away and say, oh no, these people don't care about that.
01:27:12.000They obviously do because, you know, we're at a point, and I don't like this by the way, so I don't think I'm endorsing this, but we're at a point where there are more superhero movies than ever before.
01:27:21.000There's one out like every week now, right?
01:27:23.000Marvel movies, DC, whatever, comic book movies, all this stuff.
01:27:27.000Those are right vs. wrong scenarios in almost every situation.
01:27:31.000They might do all this woke shit around it, but they're still right vs. wrong scenarios.
01:27:36.000People understand that if you appeal to that at a basic level, and I think we've forgotten in politics how to do that, right?
01:27:41.000This isn't about, you know, obviously we understand philosophically that it's about, uh, the framers and the constitution and, and, and, and, you know, rights, the rights of man and all this stuff.
01:27:51.000But if you just tell people like the abortion argument, for instance, you know, we don't have this argument in the United Kingdom, unfortunately.
01:27:57.000It's just, it's just, it's just the norm, right?
01:27:59.000Like abortions on demand, wherever you want them, however you want them, the government is going to pay for them.
01:28:06.000If you present it to people on the political lines, they get very hostile.
01:28:11.000You start presenting it to them on moral questions and moral thought, they open their minds up a lot easier.
01:28:19.000And so I think glory and triumph like that are going to be integral to this election.
01:28:27.000I think people will see it as a good versus evil election.
01:28:31.000So, you know, to wrap up, I agree with you and I think that's important.
01:28:34.000And if you're looking at the soundbites, if you're looking at the hills the other side is dying on, it is almost, you know, good versus evil.
01:28:39.000But, you know, you can do a lot with a trillion dollars and, you know, big tech being your marketing department.
01:28:46.000What are the issues, and again, I think we're winning on a lot of them right now, but what are the issues you think the right is winning on?
01:28:51.000What are the ones we have to perhaps get more on the offensive in?
01:28:58.000How do we make sure that the average person sees that we actually have that lead in these things?
01:29:02.000So nobody actually even knows this yet, but I am working on a book that touches on this for my third book that I'm hoping will be out before the election.
01:29:12.000It really looks at how, you know, from a mechanism perspective, the left moves its PAC money around, its dark money around, and how that gets distributed at a local level.
01:29:23.000The front groups that start operating pop up out of nowhere.
01:29:38.000You know, the left has actually pretty much given up laying claim to small dollar donations now.
01:29:42.000It's all corporate money, but it's washed through PACs and all of that stuff.
01:29:46.000So that is something that people are going to have to understand if they want to know how to deploy their capital effectively in politics.
01:29:52.000And it's also something the right needs to learn how to do as well.
01:29:54.000You know, whenever you talk about dark money, people immediately go Republican dark money, Republican dark money, Koch money, like all of this sort of stuff.
01:30:15.000No, it's absurd and it's obscene and that's one of the things that I'll be focusing on over the next couple of months as well.
01:30:24.000I think, look, there's a lot of noise and people are falling out, right, as you do during a primary season.
01:30:30.000People are falling out with their friends, they're falling out with their family members.
01:30:34.000It'll become totally the norm over the next 18 months to lose great friends that you've talked to for years and years over, over politics.
01:30:42.000The thing I have to say to all of those people is this.
01:30:46.000When the deal is done, when the balloons drop and the candidate is chosen, you're still going to want to be friendly with those people.
01:30:54.000You're still going to want access to those levers that you can pull to have an impact on the future of your country, the future of your nation.
01:31:02.000So don't make too hard enemies too quickly.
01:31:11.000I had guys that were texting me privately like,
01:31:13.000I love what you're saying, I love what you're doing.
01:31:15.000And then I look at their Facebook page and they're like, Trump is this, it's, I'm like, oh my God, like you're, you're running, like, it's like a Tinder profile.
01:31:22.000You're going against Trump because that's the popular thing to do.
01:31:24.000And you're trying to pick up a chick, but like, you're texting me private.
01:31:27.000And I had so much less respect for that than just saying, hey, you have a different opinion than me, that's fine.
01:32:09.000It's so sad when people understand how the game is actually played.
01:32:15.000Yeah, again, it's a small pool of people, right, and they try and pick sides, and they usually pick the wrong side because, unfortunately, most political people are not particularly intelligent.
01:32:26.000Most political people who are hired to be sort of comm staffers or things like that, their bosses actually just really need them to write the press releases and press send, but then they get all these highfalutin ideas about House of Cards and West Wing and all of that stuff, right?
01:32:39.000Veep is closer to what DC is actually like.
01:32:44.000It actually feels much more like a documentary most of the time than a parody.
01:32:50.000Yeah that's right and you have these strange awkward jonahs of the world like always lurking around trying to get a new job and you know maybe they'll try and run for it and that's and that's just the way it is right that's politics and I always say that's never going to change unless the ordinary good working man and woman in this country decide you know they're going to have the Mr. Smith goes to Washington stuff for themselves
01:33:10.000And, listen, I feel like the toughest guy walking down Pennsylvania Avenue, and I'm five foot eight and not particularly well built, you know?
01:33:18.000But like, if you see the knuckleheads who are walking down Pennsylvania Avenue... No, it's amazing.
01:33:23.000Like, I have a story that you're talking about, sort of the awkward donors and dealing with that.
01:33:27.000I had one of those, like, you know, donor of ours in 16, and, you know, we win, and the first phone call, like, the next morning after the election, hey, Don, I, you know, my
01:33:38.000My friend's 27-year-old, reasonably successful, he actually said this, reasonably successful, I guess it's his friend's daughter, she's a reasonably successful investment banker, she would like to be the ambassador to the UK, the court of St.
01:33:57.000James, like the most prestigious sort of like appointed position, like
01:34:20.000Like, I didn't know whether to be upset or impressed at the level of balls, you know what I mean, that it took to ask me things.
01:34:27.000So it's, you know, it's always interesting and people don't understand the dynamic of how crazy it sometimes gets.
01:34:33.000Yeah, and we couldn't even get Nigel Farage as the ambassador over here, you know, and that was, and that was even, even we had, we had a Trump tweet that went out in the middle of the night saying that he's, you know, been the ambassador over here.
01:34:44.000I mean, that would have been, that would have been a great, great relationship.
01:34:47.000By the way, that would have been amazing.
01:34:48.000And it still isn't, it's still a very good relationship.
01:34:50.000By the way, do you have a good Trump-Farage story?
01:35:09.000I'll just tell you, it was after seeing Trump in Vegas, and it was a room full of hostile libertarians, and they really didn't want him there, like most of them clearly didn't want him there, and he went on and he spoke, and about 80% of the room at the end were giving him a standing ovation.
01:35:24.000And I was like, wow, if this guy can turn these people
01:35:35.000And he's like, what are you talking about?
01:35:36.000I was like, I'm telling you, I'm telling you.
01:35:39.000So that's how Nigel like really got into the whole thing.
01:35:43.000And, you know, obviously came over, did some speeches, Jackson and so on and so forth.
01:35:48.000But the funny, the really, there was a funny one a couple of months ago where I was having lunch on the terrace at Mar-a-Lago and my phone rings and it's Nigel and he wants to talk about just what's going on in America.
01:36:05.000So I put my AirPods on and I walked down the stairs.
01:36:07.000And you know me, I'd had a few martinis and I walked down the stairs and I'm at the pool and I've got my duffel bag on my shoulder and Donald Trump walks towards me.
01:36:19.000You know, you've got the Secret Service and all of that.
01:36:22.000And I just went, I just went, Oh, I got, I got Nigel on the phone.
01:36:50.000Those two men are so similar like obviously different, you know different backgrounds and you know different ways that they grew up But they're so similar in the demeanor and when they talk to each other because you know He had him on the speakerphone and when they talk to each other, it's like it's like it's just talking to themselves, right?
01:37:08.000It's it's amazing I've got so many funny stories of the campaign trail and all of these things but that was a real funny one that happened recently and
01:38:23.000Nigel's also a truly intelligent person.
01:38:28.000Not only instinctually, but also just in general.
01:38:34.000Are there contrasts between him and Trump?
01:38:37.000What are going to be the differences, other than the drinking, obviously?
01:38:41.000Well, I haven't worked very closely with Donald Trump, like ever, so I don't know if I am getting this correct, but maybe you can give me an insight.
01:38:52.000Nigel is sort of famed for, at least amongst people who have worked for and around him, is sort of famed for being, you know,
01:39:01.000Very much the life of the party, but also, like, when he's getting down to, like, the work, the pen and the paper comes out, you know, the pack of cigarettes come out, the glasses come on like this, and if you even make a joke in that moment of time, he just won't even acknowledge it.
01:39:49.000I mean, it's the sort of sternness, right, that they grew up with, whereas, you know, there is a time for play, but there's also a time for work.
01:39:56.000And I think today, you know, probably you and I have a little bit more blurring of the lines between work and play, right?
01:40:03.000Like, I'll happily get up now for a minute, you know, go and do something else for a while, maybe have a run in the middle of the day, whatever.
01:40:10.000No, these were men who, when they put their suit and tie on, they went to work.
01:40:21.000Well, Raheem, I just want to thank you for being on here.
01:40:23.000I think it's a really interesting perspective.
01:40:24.000I think as other stuff, and obviously we're in the midst of the Ukraine on today, I mean, with your international perspective, I'd love to have you back on, talking more about these things.
01:40:32.000Why don't you let everyone know where they can, you know, even go check out, obviously, Human Events and the National Policy
01:40:39.000Doesn't take a genius to figure out how to find them, but let them know so that they can find them because I think we have to all be doing our part supporting these sort of small, independent organizations, help them become bigger ones, and hope that, and I don't think it's gonna happen with you, but hope that people like yourself never bastardize that so that we can actually have objective truth out there rather than corporate-fueled phony truth.
01:41:04.000Yeah, so I don't want to misrepresent myself, by the way.
01:41:06.000My involvement with Human Events ended a few years ago, but we handed it over to Jack Posobiec and his team, and they're doing a great job, so everybody should make sure they're following over there.
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