Breitbart News Editor-in-Chief Alex Marlowe joins me to discuss his new book, Breaking the Law. We talk about how he got his start in journalism, why he hates Christmas, and why he doesn't even care anymore.
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00:08:28.000Guys, joining me now, author of the book, Breaking the Law, Breitbart News Editor-in-Chief, Alex Marlowe.
00:08:35.000Alex, awesome to have you back as always.
00:08:38.000Yeah, Don, always nice to be with you.
00:08:39.000Happy Thanksgiving to you and your audience.
00:09:01.000It's kind of like with the mask people where I always kind of liked the last few people who hung on to their masks because then I knew exactly who I wouldn't want to talk to and spend time with.
00:09:10.000That's what the people who are still saying happy holidays and putting up holiday lights and holiday displays now.
00:09:15.000Now I know exactly who I don't want to talk to.
00:09:17.000Because if you're still doing that, you missed the boat and you and I are not going to connect at all.
00:09:21.000So I'm like, no, well, it's almost like, honestly, it's almost like we're seeing a little resurgence of gay and retarded coming back into common vernacular.
00:09:29.000And I know that growing up for me, I know it's not popular.
00:09:31.000You're not allowed to say this anymore, but I know growing up, I'd say the words gay and retarded combined made up about 50% of my high school vernacular, like in terms of overall word count, because it was everything.
00:09:44.000And then it became a like a cancelable offense, almost, you know, borderline, you know, capital punishment.
00:09:50.000You know, I guess I was one of the early people to bring it back a couple of years ago, like almost by accident, because it was just, you know, again, one of those like rote things that I just said.
00:09:59.000And then I was like, well, you know, wow, my world didn't end.
00:10:02.000And then we saw the president of the United States a couple of days ago, you know, dropping it about Tim Walsh, which is, by the way, not an inaccurate assessment.
00:10:11.000You know, you got one or two people coming up and obviously no one ever used those things in terms of, you know, about people with disabilities.
00:10:17.000It was just a word as a descriptor for someone being gay or retarded.
00:10:38.000Because, you know, this is part of where I've been very blessed is being editor-in-chief of Breitbart is that I've got to say gay and retarded.
00:10:46.000It's the, not publicly, because I don't want, I don't like to get canceled for unnecessary reasons.
00:10:51.000But, you know, privately, I've got to say gay and retarded for years.
00:10:54.000And, you know, one of my authors, John Nolfe, uses gay all the time in his writing.
00:10:58.000And I've never censored it at one time.
00:11:00.000And but it's fun to see people come back around.
00:11:04.000I won't name her because she's a wonderful reporter, but one of my editors did not like when I would use the word retarded, which I would use quite a bit.
00:11:11.000And even she used the word retarded recently.
00:12:18.000The same thing calling someone retarded.
00:12:20.000It doesn't mean we're making fun of the mentally ill.
00:12:22.000I'll tell you, I've got some friends who are slow, and I will tell you, I would never, I would never insult them by comparing them to Tim Walt.
00:12:29.000Like they're much better and much smarter than Tim Williams.
00:12:31.000Without question, I mean, he's way more retarded than they are.
00:12:38.000I was a real estate guy from New York City.
00:12:41.000And I was like, wait a second, when that stuff started happening, I'm like, well, we're sort of appealing to all sides.
00:12:45.000It's just like, you know, I like being able to speak when I'm not sort of constantly checking myself.
00:12:58.000And so, you know, I guess I probably got ahead of that curve a little bit and was willing to do that and take some of those hits a little bit because I basically gave up on this notion that,
00:13:28.000you know, we're not a totally bifurcated thing.
00:13:30.000And, you know, I said in our business, I said, hey, half those people are never coming back to us.
00:13:34.000So I'd rather be, you know, looked at as a legend to this half, you know, rather than agnostic to the whole.
00:13:40.000You know, a legend to half is much better than just sort of indifferent to everyone.
00:13:44.000And, you know, that wasn't easy to do as a business guy when you're like, your whole market just cut in half.
00:14:00.000And it's just like if your dad equivocated on the word retarded, and if he said something like, well, I understand that some people find it offensive.
00:14:42.000You know, they'll create the drama in their own little bubble, but no one actually cares.
00:14:46.000This is where I was very grateful for the Access Hollywood tape.
00:14:49.000And I was one of the few people who, when it came out, said it's not going to move a single vote because I knew that your dad's voters were voting for him because they thought the immigration problem was a crisis.
00:15:09.000And I'm almost, I'm really glad about it because it just reminded you that you can say stuff and that's not that you wouldn't say in front of the Queen of England at a state dinner.
00:15:20.000And that moment was so big because it showed as a people that we are going to, we're not just going to cancel people for using one word they don't like.
00:15:56.000You got to, I mean, there were people being like, you should just, I think it may have been Ryan's Priebus at the time that just is like, okay, you should just quit now and, you know, or you're going to lose in the greatest landslide in the history.
00:16:06.000It was like, I was like, we got like three weeks to go.
00:16:08.000So Steve and I were the only two people in that room at the time.
00:16:18.000Steve and I were like, looked at each other in the eye and we were the only ones being like, are you out of this is even before DJT chimed in.
00:16:23.000He was sort of listening to everyone and he ultimately agreed with us.
00:16:26.000And I think he would have gotten there probably without us just based on everything we know about him in general.
00:16:32.000But I remember that morning and everyone's like, you should just drop out now.
00:16:36.000Like it's like, well, isn't that also the biggest loss in the history of presidential elections?
00:16:39.000And Steve and I were like, we just got to go in.
00:16:41.000But I'm not going to say I wasn't somewhat like demoralized because all of the work that we put in all of this.
00:16:47.000I think I went to Iowa and I gave a speech and I'm going to say it was probably one of my, you know, I'm not exactly known to be like a low energy kind of guy.
00:16:56.000And I probably was up there like Jeb and I was a little bit, you know, low energy Jeb, exclamation point limp.
00:17:03.000And I remember getting off the stage and a group of like five ladies and these were like, you know, evangelical Christian right like ladies grabbed me and I was, you know, taking a couple selfies and I was like, and one of them comes up to me.
00:17:16.000He's like, Sugar, I see you're a little bit down, but my girlfriends and I had that conversation 17 times last month.
00:17:24.000And I was like, oh, like, you know, I knew we had to keep going.
00:17:29.000But even, even me in the back of my head was like, man, the media spin.
00:17:32.000Like you watch enough of the negative nonsense and you listen to the narrative enough and you like start believing some of it, even if you know it's nonsense.
00:17:39.000And I was like, oh, like no one cares.
00:17:54.000Like if you actually listen to the full contact and maybe you object to the language, but of course, that's the reputation is that when you're a star, people let you do certain things.
00:18:08.000They acted like, and the conservative establishment was like this too.
00:18:10.000I forget if it was Priebus or if it was Paul Ryan, but one of the other, I remember hearing what you heard, which is like, we need to just, let's just drop out.
00:18:19.000Yeah, well, Paul Ryan said it publicly, I think.
00:18:20.000You know, Priebus was just sort of in public, like, this is going to be a landslide.
00:18:23.000Because again, it probably had the mindset I needed, you know.
00:18:25.000He was good at a lot of things, but like that establishment side could not even fathom that you could actually have a conversation that, you know, and then, you know, when, you know, we, we collectively kind of coined that term locker room talk.
00:19:05.000I'm in a very traditional sort of marriage and relationship.
00:19:10.000And it's the people are way too preoccupied in trying to bust people for sexual sins and stuff and trying to just get people on these things and to feel like that means that we're now going to support Hillary Clinton all of a sudden because Trump said something.
00:19:26.000I'll sell myself to the gulags out of principle.
00:19:59.000And today it's that we can say retard again.
00:20:01.000Well, you know, it's good because I think there's a lot of things that kind of become more and more relevant every day.
00:20:06.000When we last spoke, we were talking about your book, Breaking the Law, Becoming sort of an instant bestseller when it dropped back in August, I believe it was.
00:20:13.000And again, I think it feels more relevant by the day.
00:20:18.000How did you approach putting that book together?
00:20:20.000And I guess, you know, big picture, how should we view that and unveil that over the summer and bring it into the context of today?
00:20:31.000And you guys have been kind and supportive.
00:20:33.000And your whole family, your dad's on the cover, he endorsed it right away and he was very helpful, gave me some interviews for it.
00:20:39.000And it is relevant because these investigations into the bad guys who tried to bankrupt your family, put them behind bars, put you behind bars, your brother, it was the whole goal is to make it so you guys could not practice your craft, apply your craft in business, and that really to subvert our democracy so that they would hijack the election by putting Trump in jail, either bankrupting him so he couldn't campaign, or worst case scenario, forcing him to campaign from a courthouse,
00:21:06.000which you would think any other human being on earth wouldn't be able to win an election doing that.
00:21:12.000But we're going to keep seeing these stories pop up because there are investigations ongoing into the people who were part of the lawfare superstructure that sought to destroy your family.
00:21:22.000And I wrote at the conclusion of the Fonnie Willis chapter about how that case should have been thrown out a long time ago, but I wrote, but that's okay because eventually it will get thrown out completely.
00:21:33.000And then that will be a good day for President Trump and he's going to get a news cycle out of it.
00:21:36.000And that's what happened last week, where the case finally completely got dismissed.
00:21:40.000That case was completely absurd start to finish that even the biggest champions of lawfier, like Andrew Weissman, who's the main spokesperson for it on MSNBC, even he was saying, this one's not going to work out.
00:22:11.000Because I'm sort of just getting ready for, hey, come next January, not this coming tenure, but the following once, if the Democrats take over the House, it's just going to be a rinse and repeat of the same nonsense.
00:22:22.000I don't think anything comes from any of it, but like you also, the problem with Fonnie Willis, you were right.
00:22:28.000It may be a decent news cycle for Trump, but you also still have to spend hundreds of millions of dollars fighting this lawfare.
00:22:43.000If he has to focus on not getting thrown in jail or his family not getting thrown in jail and spend money doing that and focus energy on that, you can't implement the things you want to do to actually make America great again.
00:23:01.000I think all of it is the trying to make it so that Donald Trump couldn't govern in his first term because of the Russia-Russia-Russia hoax.
00:23:08.000All that was designed to take up time, resources, and his concentration, his ability to try to implement an agenda.
00:23:16.000Then they tried to completely destroy him every possible way via bankruptcy, jail, and then even try to murder him during the interim of the two terms.
00:23:25.000And then now they're going to try the same stuff of the midterms don't go well.
00:23:28.000They're going to just, it's just going to be impeachment bonanza the last two years of his administration.
00:23:32.000And what these judges are doing, Boseberg, of course, plays in the book in a big way.
00:23:36.000But there's dozens and dozens of justices and judges throughout the courts, throughout the country, who are trying to stop Trump's agenda and just get things clogged up in the court so that 30, 40% of the agenda just gets stopped.
00:23:48.000And then it's got to go through the litigation process.
00:23:51.000And then a lot of it will be allowed to continue.
00:23:53.000But all they're doing is trying to put on the brakes, slow momentum.
00:23:57.000Your family understands that politics is got a lot of momentum to it.
00:24:34.000And I think if you combine that with narrative, I see so much of that actually going on as well, which is like, you know, let's take the narrative of inflation.
00:24:39.000So I think the inflation numbers are back in check where they need to be, but it doesn't eliminate the four years of gross inflation where prices went up.
00:24:49.000It's like, well, no, no, unless you ran like negative 20% inflation right now, it's hard to get prices back.
00:24:56.000So the affordability crisis isn't Trump.
00:24:59.000He got inflation back down to check, but you can't, it's hard to go back four years and run negative numbers when the price of goods went up so much somewhere else.
00:25:07.000You can say you could stop him from going up 10, 15% a year going forward, but it's really hard to get negative inflation.
00:25:13.000I mean, we haven't had that in forever, in my lifetime, certainly, where you could go negative so much to undo basically the doubling of prices for four years under Biden.
00:25:51.000And I'll tell you, I got on my podcast, I had a 45-minute interview with Secretary Besson, Treasury Secretary, and he thinks inflation is going to completely go potentially to zero next year.
00:26:02.000He thinks it's going to be a huge year for declined inflation.
00:26:05.000And a lot of this has to do with the tariffs, which we were told the tariffs are going to cause inflation.
00:26:58.000I mean, in breaking the law, you connect the dots again between sort of the media, the political establishment, and really the courts all functioning as an arm of the radical left.
00:27:07.000Now that we're into nearly, you know, a year into the second term, we've seen the Georgia case dismissed, the federal cases evaporated, Fannie Willis literally disqualified.
00:27:18.000What's your assessment of the state of the corrupt lawfare superstructure?
00:28:16.000And this is one of the things that during the Biden years with Joe Biden should not have won that election.
00:28:20.000I know that a lot of people think he didn't win that election.
00:28:23.000He was able to appoint with Chuck Schumer all of these judges and justices throughout the country continuing to rack up the potential to block parts of the agenda.
00:28:33.000And the only way out of this is to win.
00:28:38.000Sure, we could try some impeachments if they're going to be effective, but that takes a lot of political capital.
00:28:42.000And if they don't work, then it wastes a lot of time.
00:28:44.000So I'm not a huge, we should impeach all the just the judges we don't like guy.
00:28:48.000The only way to win long term is to stay engaged and focus in off-year elections, in down ballot elections.
00:28:54.000And that is a hard path, but it is the only path to stop them.
00:28:58.000And if you see something where you get fed up because some part of the agenda that you liked is getting blocked by some know-nothing judge you've never heard of and it shouldn't be, there's only one solution.
00:29:10.000What do you make of, you know, I thought it was sort of interesting.
00:29:12.000You know, in the last two weeks, you had X sort of showing where people are actually posting from.
00:29:17.000And you realize that a lot of the accounts that tend to get stuff to go viral have either fairly large followings.
00:29:23.000Now, some of them are probably through VPNs.
00:29:24.000And so maybe that's why they're showing up abroad.
00:29:27.000But you could also see a lot of it was clearly just essentially a foreign influence op going around on social media by a lot of accounts that probably even you and I had followed for years.
00:29:36.000You realize they're just on the payroll working for someone else.
00:29:40.000Yeah, it's very clear that whatever is happening online is trying to amplify division on the right.
00:29:45.000This is another weapon the left has right now.
00:29:48.000And I think a lot of people who are genuinely disappointed in certain parts of the agenda, maybe they're not committed to the president's coalition.
00:29:55.000And it's being used to manipulate the public to think that things are going worse than they are with the agenda.
00:30:00.000And I'm not saying that everyone should be satisfied.
00:30:03.000You should always demand more from your leaders.
00:30:05.000But overall, we've seen a lot of progress that would have been unthinkable in any other administration.
00:30:11.000And yet you go online and you see all of a sudden that MAGA is dead or something.
00:30:15.000And a lot of these people are clearly are the foreign bot accounts.
00:30:22.000And they see that aside from these lawfare judges blocking Trump's executive actions, things like that, the other thing that they have that's powerful is they're trying to drive a wedge between to break up our coalition.
00:30:35.000And that's very effective if they can do that, because one of our biggest enemies right now is apathy.
00:30:42.000We have a lot of low propensity voters showed up and voted when President Trump was on the ballot.
00:30:49.000He's not going to be on the ballot in Tennessee this week.
00:30:52.000He's not going to be on the ballot in the midterms next time, but he is in a way because his agenda is going to get completely shut down.
00:30:59.000But people need to understand that if you're not supporting the people who support the president's agenda, then you're not supporting the president.
00:31:06.000And until people get that, the left is going to have an opportunity to beat us.
00:31:11.000But I don't think it's just the left either, though.
00:31:13.000I think there's definitely an element of con ink, meaning, you know, neocon conservatism, you know, never-ending war conservatism, ship your jobs and your American dream to China, conservatism.
00:31:24.000You know, I see that as being sort of an unholy alliance as well.
00:31:29.000Those guys, you know, I think they're viewing this as their only chance probably in this century to ever try to bring back that side of the Republican Party.
00:31:38.000I think it's dead, but they're certainly relishing at this.
00:31:41.000I mean, it definitely seems to me like this is largely an attack, not just on the MAGA America First agenda, but also on JD Vance, someone who could be a successor to that and will continue to run with that agenda as opposed to going back to the good old ways of Republicanism where it's about the billionaire donor class.
00:32:06.000There are certainly people in the establishment of the Republican Party who would like to see a return to the old ways of the Republican Party.
00:32:14.000And they see a fissures in the MAGA coalition as a way to get there.
00:32:19.000Because as of now, if we had the election today, JD Vance, if he said that I'm picking Marco Rubio as my vice president, it'd be basically a coronation.
00:32:27.000Like he would skate through, there'd be almost no primary.
00:32:31.000But they could see that over a three-year horizon, that if you divide MAGA enough, then all of a sudden you could see an establishment Republican perhaps contend for a nomination.
00:32:42.000And that's going to be very tempting to people who have always hated Donald Trump and have always hated parts of the MAGA movement.
00:32:47.000They don't like that he's been right about certain things like endless wars and trade and things where the Republican establishment's been horrible on them over the last few decades.
00:32:56.000They haven't accepted that they were wrong and they have cognitive dissonance on that front.
00:33:00.000And they would love to see an establishmentarian or someone at least more sympathetic to the establishment get nominated, not JD Vance.
00:33:06.000So they're going to, at a minimum, sit on their hands as some of these fights play out.
00:33:12.000And so that's why we need to be aware that this is happening.
00:33:15.000We need to identify who the people are who are trying to see the fissures happen.
00:33:19.000But then also it's important that there's red meat being tossed to new members of Trump's coalition.
00:33:57.000Let's nullify some of the Autopen stuff.
00:33:59.000Let's throw the red meat out there too.
00:34:01.000But understand that trying to divide the MAGA coalition is what the left and the establishment can agree on could really hurt us in the next three to four years.
00:35:13.000I feel like they're going to, this is going to backfire, but they think that they've got some sort of technicality that we need to get approval for Congress for blowing up ships.
00:35:22.000And so long as we're not accidentally blowing up fishing boats, which I tell you, we read Venezuelan media at Breitbart.
00:35:30.000I have nothing to suggest that any of this has that we're doing anything other than blowing up literal drug ships.
00:35:38.000Well, I got a more pragmatic approach to it.
00:35:41.000When you see out of Venezuela, you know, this isn't Miami during yacht week or whatever it is.
00:35:45.000Like, you know, you don't have GoFast boats running quad 450s.
00:35:53.000Again, in Miami, where the per capita income is a lot higher and you got a lot of millionaires and billionaires, you know, I can see that.
00:35:59.000But, you know, a GoFast boat with four, you know, 400 or 450, you know, Mercs on the back of it, like, you know, that's a million dollar boat.
00:36:07.000Like, that doesn't, you know, that's not a Venezuelan fishing boat.
00:36:10.000There's no fishing boat in Venezuela that expensive.
00:36:12.000And yet, you know, there's dozens of them running out of there, you know, with blue barrels.
00:36:18.000You know, there's no rods and there's no nets.
00:36:20.000Like, it's pretty clear what these things are.
00:36:22.000And yet they pretend like it's not the case.
00:36:24.000So something crossed my mind because these boats look and behave differently than fishing boats.
00:36:29.000The locals are all saying they're drug boats.
00:36:31.000The beloved Intel community probably provided some of the Intel so we know these are drug boats.
00:36:36.000So I thought the left loves the Intel community.
00:36:38.000So I'd say they're the ones who are probably feeding us a lot of this information.
00:36:41.000We don't see any fishermen being targeted at this point.
00:36:44.000And yet the Pentagon isn't being entirely forthcoming about what's going on.
00:36:47.000And that makes me think that maybe they've set a trap.
00:36:49.000Maybe they're intentionally not saying a lot because maybe one day that they'll divulge more information and how they know how they're operating so efficiently.
00:36:58.000And in the meantime, your dad gets to have these great sound bites.
00:37:14.000Because it's like it just puts the whole issue because everyone knows someone, but maybe I just happen, you know, everyone has one degree of connection to someone who's died from fentanyl or a friend of or whatever it may be.
00:37:26.000But like when you think about 100,000 deaths, two Vietnams a year.
00:37:30.000I mean, I think that just puts such perspective on the problem.
00:37:34.000And so we're going to, I'll tell you, I hope it doesn't happen.
00:37:37.000But I mean, if we accidentally took out one fishing boat because we were trying to stop 100,000 American deaths, like it's the, this is the trap that I feel like the Trump administration is setting that this has got to be a 97.3 issue, right?
00:37:51.000I mean, it's the, who wants us not to bomb drugs that are coming in to kill our country?
00:37:57.000Clearly, there are technicalities to suggest that this is absolutely the perfect use of our fighting forces.
00:38:03.000What's the point of fighting forces if we're supposed to allow drug boats to come and deliver chemicals that are going to destroy Americans' lives and communities?
00:38:45.000Yeah, and I guess the point, just to be, I think, respectful, some people in the audience are probably afraid of us doing regime change in Venezuela.
00:38:54.000I don't think that's what President Trump wants to do.
00:38:57.000I have seen no evidence he wants to do regime change anywhere, really.
00:39:01.000I think he likes to be unpredictable and surprising to people.
00:39:04.000And I don't think that there's a really clear path to do that.
00:40:02.000And so I feel like what's the point of government?
00:40:06.000Isn't the point of government to benefit citizens, to keep us secure?
00:40:09.000And what's the point of an executive branch and a Department of War if we don't have the ability to do these things from time to time when it's very clear that people are consistently doing us harm and intentionally doing us harm and are leaving Americans vulnerable on a daily basis?
00:40:26.000And so long as the border's been open, so long as we've been seeing this horrific story about the National Guardsmen who were shot upon by a alien who had come here, welcomed by the Biden administration, not vetted through a program where we at the time at Breitbart were complaining, we're not vetting these people.
00:40:44.000Everyone who gave us one piece of intel during a botched war that we did not win in Afghanistan, that does not give you a right to be an American forever.
00:41:06.000Yeah, I mean, you really almost have to ask yourself about the corrupt channels of influence with the cartel specifically.
00:41:11.000I mean, we've seen a couple of recent reports on how left-wing groups here in America were actually being funded by Latin American communists.
00:41:20.000I mean, it feels like we're over the target on something very deep and very disturbing here.
00:41:25.000You know, I know your book sort of lifts the curtain on some of those funding mechanisms, but can you elaborate a little bit?
00:41:31.000Yeah, I think that one of the things that's noteworthy is that we see a lot of following the money.
00:41:37.000A lot of people want to see chaos and division in this country.
00:41:41.000And there's all sorts of people, people who don't share our same aspirations in terms of global security and the global world order that has America at the top.
00:41:52.000And a lot of people who are on the left and don't like the Trump way of doing things.
00:41:55.000So we're constantly following the money at Breitbart to see who's funding certain things.
00:41:59.000And you always have to look at foreign powers and you always have to look at the billionaire class and where they're spreading their money around.
00:42:05.000And in the case of lawfare, you see repeatedly over and over again, names pop up who are funding the lawfare superstructure to make it very lucrative to try to ruin your families' lives and try to make it so that more importantly, conservatives can't get good representation, that you can't get good attorneys.
00:42:22.000You can't get high quality people who are not super brave to be able to represent your businesses.
00:42:31.000Reed Hoffman, another guy who should be investigated who is close Biden ally and funds all sorts of horrible things.
00:42:38.000Loren Powell Jobs, who's been featured in all my books, Steve Jobs's widow, who funds The Atlantic, but also all sorts of wild left-wing fake news entities online, close friends with Kamala Harris.
00:42:49.000But then you see people like the Sandler Foundation, which I wasn't super familiar with the Sandler Foundation, but they have this thing called ProPublica, which you've heard of, which does some reporting, but all of this is very targeted.
00:43:00.000They're trying to ruin the lives of Clarence Thomas and CMU Alito, the two most stalwart defenders of our Constitution in bar none in the country.
00:43:09.000And all they do is try to dig up dirt to try to make their lives miserable.
00:43:12.000And it's all guilt by association tactics.
00:43:15.000They never find anything that's actually improper or illegal.
00:43:38.000So, you know, from Proposition 50 and the redistricting wars to Newsom's former chief of staff getting indicted on corruption charges to the state insurance commissioner embroiled in really one scandal after another, all of the taxpayer dime.
00:43:52.000You know, what is it about the California political machine that keeps producing this cast of characters?
00:43:58.000Yeah, it's a one-party town and it's run by the Democrat machine, which is a left-wing entity.
00:44:46.000And I look at it: if you see a lot of your favorite, you know, conservative commentators bio, it's probably going to say that, you know, it'll list their faith and it'll list their family and then it's their work.
00:44:55.000You know, then that's what they care about.
00:45:28.000People don't like when he talks to the other side.
00:45:30.000And then he starts having left-wingers on.
00:45:32.000No one cares about his podcast anymore, but he goes up in the polls for who's going to win in 2028.
00:45:37.000And that's exactly how it works out here: if you try to do anything reasonable in terms of normal Americans, conservatives, et cetera, that's bad.
00:45:46.000But if you toe the line, left-wing party line, you can get away with literally ripping off the taxpayers.
00:45:51.000And it's very depressing, to be honest with you.
00:45:53.000So in the last few weeks, we had Steve Hilton on, one of the conservatives running for governor, Fox News personality, great guy.
00:46:02.000What do you think the state of play is in the California governor's race?
00:46:04.000I mean, is this that moment between the fires, the corruption scandals, all of this stuff that's going on in California where people have had enough?
00:46:11.000Or is it an insurmountable machine at this point?
00:46:13.000It's insurmountable, but it doesn't mean we can't try because you got to get momentum.
00:46:18.000I'm very committed to fighting the good fight, but it is the Republicans and conservatives are not sufficiently fired up in off-year elections.
00:46:29.000And part of it's from what I already stated, Don, and that the left considers a politics above all else.
00:46:35.000We would prefer to live as individuals, to show up and vote once every two years, once every four years, and then go back to our families and our jobs and building things and trying to live a noble life.
00:46:46.000And we're not sitting around trying to think about politics all the time.
00:46:50.000The left-wing political machine is politics all day, every day.
00:46:55.000Who knows what this weekend in my neighborhood and my neighborhood sort of leans conservative.
00:46:59.000It's just, they're fired up all the time.
00:47:02.000And until we can match that energy, then we're going to have a really hard time winning in areas that are stacked against us and winning and off-year elections.
00:47:13.000We need to get more activists in our approach, or I'm going to be given bad news from places like California.
00:47:19.000Yeah, no, I mean, we saw that and you're 100% right.
00:47:21.000I mean, you know, Trump won in a, you know, in a landslide victory in November a year ago.
00:47:27.000And, you know, two months later in January, there was a special election for the Supreme that basically decided the control of the Supreme Court in Wisconsin, which will decide on redistricting and these kinds of things.
00:47:39.000And you can win by a few points there and no one shows up for the special election on our side.
00:47:44.000I mean, it's one of those like, wait a minute, we won by X number of points.
00:48:05.000And that is where I think that it's obviously a multifaceted approach if we're going to maintain our majorities and grow them.
00:48:12.000But it is, we got to end doomerism online.
00:48:16.000Things are going better than we could have ever anticipated if President Kamala Harris or President Biden.
00:48:22.000And we need to get people jacked up to investigate all the bad guys and then to get activated politically off-year elections, being persuasive, being convincing, being cool, being culturally relevant.
00:48:33.000And if we lose sight of those things, then we are going to lose.
00:48:39.000And that's not acceptable because what they want to do with this country is horrific.
00:48:42.000I've been a, I've had a front row seat to it in California where every single problem has gotten worse under Gavin Newsom's tenure here.
00:48:50.000Traffic's gotten worse, airports gotten worse, homelessness has gotten worse, crime has gotten worse, taxes have gone up, half the state almost burned down with fires.
00:49:16.000We're winning, I would say overall, but it should be a blowout.
00:49:20.000Yeah, I mean, speaking of prep schools, I mean, you went to Harvard West Lake in Los Angeles.
00:49:24.000You know, what is the state of Los Angeles, you know, more specifically?
00:49:28.000I mean, is there a path forward there?
00:49:30.000I mean, because if you talk about the state sort of just being, you know, a rudderless ship, I mean, LA has got to be, you know, the captain of that rudderless ship.
00:50:30.000It's kind of a lost place where people pursue not meaningful things, you know, just the most flimsy of entertainment, the influencer class, where just everyone's just selfieing it all the time and then going to fancy restaurants, but they don't really, they're not building any wealth or anything like that.
00:50:47.000It's a very nihilistic worldview out here in LA.
00:50:49.000So I don't really know if it's salvageable anytime soon, Don.
00:50:53.000But if you want to eat and shop, it's a good place.
00:50:55.000Yeah, I mean, I guess that's the point.
00:50:57.000Anyone who's, you know, running a business or, you know, you realize like not only can you not be there, you know, for all the obvious reasons, you're, you're almost like breaking your fiduciary responsibility to your investors, to your employees by staying, which is why everyone's moving to Texas or Arizona or Florida or elsewhere.
00:51:13.000I mean, if you're in California, you're mostly moving sort of, you know, south and a little bit east towards Texas or something like that.
00:51:19.000You see the same thing with the flight out of New York to, you know, North Carolina, Georgia, obviously Florida.
00:51:29.000The creators are eventually going to they're going to leave because they have no choice.
00:51:34.000but let me speak to one thing that's important because a lot of people don't understand why, how someone like me could live out here.
00:51:51.000And it's always been great research for me because as being a person who's part of conservative media and on the activist conservative side of the aisle, then I really do get an insight into what the left does that's effective.
00:52:25.000Like there's a lot of great stuff about this state.
00:52:28.000There's a lot of obvious horrible stuff as well.
00:52:31.000And so I don't blame anyone who would ever leave.
00:52:33.000But I do think that it would be great to try to win states like this back.
00:52:37.000I know that you probably feel similarly about New York.
00:52:40.000Like there's a, it would be great if we could win back New York one day.
00:52:43.000So it's just good to think about, let's not give up on everything.
00:52:46.000Obviously, I know a lot of people look at me and think I must be an idiot for being in California, but it's not quite that bad because if you look at the network and the family, then we want to make it so that America is livable anywhere.
00:52:57.000Like we don't want to make it so that, you know, other than, I guess, like Berkeley or something, I mean, it's the, we want it to be that you should be able to have a decent life and to not, you should be entitled to law and order, which we're not in LA.
00:53:09.000Like we don't treat law and order like it matters.
00:53:23.000Andrew and I were from similar areas and from West LA.
00:53:27.000And I think we had the same worldview that we could understand the power of the culture.
00:53:31.000And Andrew was the first one to preach that culture was upstream of politics, which is something that everyone on the right agrees with this now, Don.
00:53:39.000And we all think we came up with it ourselves.
00:53:41.000We all think that we all like, yeah, of course, culture is way more important.
00:53:45.000And look at the reality TV stars, the president, of course.
00:55:02.000And that's what he imbued in us at Breitbart.
00:55:05.000But I think we were able to successfully transfer that to really the entire movement.
00:55:10.000You know, I guess on a personal note, you know, what really keeps you motivated to keep writing, keep doing all this work around the clock, especially, you know, where you're at with everything you have to get through.
00:56:46.000I can assure you it was a lot easier being a real estate developer from New York City and shutting my mouth and just going along with it, even if I was a conservative.
00:56:54.000But that's not a country I want to leave to my children.
00:56:57.000And so that's sort of why I do this at this point.
00:57:00.000But in that last answer, you brought up sort of an important word that I think is definitely missing, which was nuance.
00:57:09.000I mean, I saw so much of that in the wake of Charlie Kirk's passing.
00:57:14.000I know you, along with me, and I guess, you know, Jack Poso and Benny, you know, we're like the four people sort of sanctioned by Erica and TPUSA to like literally speak on his behalf because we knew him so well.
00:57:28.000But immediately, you know, online, you saw the, well, Charlie was 100 billion percent pro-Israel or Charlie Kirk had 100% turned against Israel.
00:57:36.000It's like, well, you can actually be 100% pro-Israel, but not necessarily have to agree with 100% of the government that rules it.
00:57:43.000And like there is nuance, but online, you only saw binary options.
00:57:47.000You were either 100% in or you were 100% out.
00:57:54.000You know, certainly, and I'm sure you had these same conversations with Charlie could evolve and you could have been much more pro-something a few years ago and go against it.
00:58:02.000Doesn't mean you're not against, it doesn't mean you're against the idea generally, but you could say, well, I don't necessarily love everything that's going on in the ruling party of a country.
00:58:10.000That doesn't mean I've changed my support on Israel.
00:58:13.000A country isn't necessarily its current government.
00:58:17.000And so the nuance thing is something that feels like it's missing, especially online, where again, It does feel like the most vocal people out there are either very clearly on a payroll or the nuance doesn't generate the clicks that the extreme takes on either side do.
00:58:40.000And there's, I think Charlie, who I spoke to about Israel basically on a daily basis, because he's someone who he relied on my takes on that.
00:58:50.000And he, the, he was overall a pro-Israel person, but he was deeply critical of the way they manage their PR.
00:58:57.000And he certainly, he certainly thought they were total disasters when it came to messaging.
00:59:02.000And he thought that that compromised him to some degree because he felt like he was doing their job for them on campuses where he was getting peppered with questions about Israel.
00:59:11.000And he was kind of thinking, why am I the one who's, I didn't appoint myself to be spokesman for Israel.
00:59:15.000And I think that that's really meaningful that as someone who liked Israel, I think that's meaningful that he had that critique.
00:59:22.000And I think he genuinely was someone who wanted to keep Americans out of wars.
00:59:27.000And I think he had a concern that if we were going to get into a major world war, I think if you would have asked him, he would have thought we're not going to.
00:59:34.000But I think that he didn't absolutely want to make sure that there's no new wars because we're fighting on Israel's behalf.
00:59:41.000And I think that that's all very reasonable.
00:59:56.000And I don't think most of the people speaking online knew him better than I did.
01:00:00.000I probably spoke to him every day for a decade, and then some.
01:00:05.000But to me, it was amazing that the idea that there may be nuance, that there may be a path down the middle and that's just totally just forgotten about is wild because I think that's probably where the vast majority of people sit.
01:00:20.000Again, you may be left or right off center, but the extreme ends probably doesn't represent the vast majority of anyone.
01:00:47.000But he knew his audience and he knew if there was any war that Donald Trump was involved in or started or peripherally involved in that involved Israel and Americans lost lives, that would be completely devastating to Donald Trump's coalition.
01:01:02.000And he was making that message clear without openly saying that, like flat out, this is a real thing.
01:01:33.000And we as a conservative movement, we cannot get suckered into getting divided because of this, because then the terrorists win.
01:01:42.000And it's just so important to understand this is that Charlie was a uniter in this movement, other than your father, the number one uniter that we've got.
01:01:49.000And I just think that's important that we consider that when we're having these discussions.
01:01:53.000Alex, as we look to the end of the year and beyond, what are some of the other big stories that you're keeping your eye on?
01:01:59.000I mean, you guys at Breitbart, you've certainly been all over that for the last decade.
01:02:05.000It was great watching sort of some of the mainstream media watch Matt Boyle interview JD Vance at there.
01:02:12.000I mean, you're really, you've, you know, I don't want to say you've come a long way.
01:02:16.000I think you've always been there, but I think you're actually getting some of that recognition as being thought leaders.
01:02:22.000What are some of the stories out there that you see sort of brewing that perhaps we're not paying attention to yet?
01:02:26.000Yeah, it was really interesting because we had this great event with JD in Washington a couple of weeks ago.
01:02:31.000And just we got all these big corporate sponsors who wouldn't have touched us with a 10-foot poll eight years ago for no good reason.
01:02:39.000Just because the left bullied them and pressured them that you wouldn't want to have your brands associated with extremely popular MAGA media because we're MAGA.
01:02:47.000And it's the, and then now that that era is over, I just thank God.
01:02:50.000And because it helps our country, it's the, it helps our country if people are understanding that the millions upon millions of people who consume our content every day are real vital Americans and they vote and they make money and they have businesses and they deserve to be spoken to.
01:03:07.000And we're by far the most accurate outlet on the internet because our standards are, we get policed by everyone.
01:03:40.000But I'll tell you that the midterms are huge because we have a binary here.
01:03:44.000We have President Trump is able to spend the last two years of his administration governing or fending off impeachment baloney.
01:03:53.000And if you think that that is preferable and you're unhappy with certain parts of whatever the agenda is and what got prioritized, what and when I understand I've been there.
01:04:03.000I wanted your dad to put immigration first in the first term.
01:04:50.000But just and the affordability messaging is real also, because things are going simultaneously better than people are seeing with potential on the way for things, which is, here's the point.
01:05:03.000This is partially the fact that the fake news media are liars, but we have to fight through that noise and we need to chart out a narrative about what's going on.
01:05:12.000And where things are not going well, we need to start correcting it.
01:05:16.000If we feel like inflation is still too high, if we feel like housing prices are too high, steps need to be taken in order to try to get those reined in in the next year.
01:05:26.000And so if we answer on the affordability issue and get people fired up, I think 2026 is going to be an amazing year.
01:05:32.000And if not, then we could be in a march towards something that could be pretty dark because we don't want to waste the last few years of Trump's administration unless we can somehow pull off away for another four years, which I'm open-minded, but I haven't seen it yet.