Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - Real News & Real Results: Interview with Breaking the Law Author Alex Marlow | Triggered Ep.299

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00:08:28.000 Guys, joining me now, author of the book, Breaking the Law, Breitbart News Editor-in-Chief, Alex Marlowe.

00:08:35.000 Alex, awesome to have you back as always.

00:08:38.000 Yeah, Don, always nice to be with you.

00:08:39.000 Happy Thanksgiving to you and your audience.

00:08:41.000 Likewise.

00:08:42.000 Hopefully you guys had a good one.

00:08:43.000 We're getting into the Christmas season now, so it's exciting.

00:08:46.000 It's nice to be able to actually say that again instead of the holiday season.

00:08:50.000 Sometimes I slip up.

00:08:51.000 It's still the years of New York, despite avoiding it.

00:08:54.000 There was no such thing as a Christmas party for a few years, but it seems like that's back.

00:08:58.000 So probably a good thing.

00:09:00.000 We're actually at the point now.

00:09:01.000 It's kind of like with the mask people where I always kind of liked the last few people who hung on to their masks because then I knew exactly who I wouldn't want to talk to and spend time with.

00:09:10.000 That's what the people who are still saying happy holidays and putting up holiday lights and holiday displays now.

00:09:15.000 Now I know exactly who I don't want to talk to.

00:09:17.000 Because if you're still doing that, you missed the boat and you and I are not going to connect at all. 0.94

00:09:21.000 So I'm like, no, well, it's almost like, honestly, it's almost like we're seeing a little resurgence of gay and retarded coming back into common vernacular. 0.93

00:09:29.000 And I know that growing up for me, I know it's not popular.

00:09:31.000 You're not allowed to say this anymore, but I know growing up, I'd say the words gay and retarded combined made up about 50% of my high school vernacular, like in terms of overall word count, because it was everything. 1.00

00:09:42.000 It's what you used.

00:09:44.000 And then it became a like a cancelable offense, almost, you know, borderline, you know, capital punishment.

00:09:50.000 You know, I guess I was one of the early people to bring it back a couple of years ago, like almost by accident, because it was just, you know, again, one of those like rote things that I just said.

00:09:58.000 And I was like, oh, God.

00:09:59.000 And then I was like, well, you know, wow, my world didn't end.

00:10:02.000 And then we saw the president of the United States a couple of days ago, you know, dropping it about Tim Walsh, which is, by the way, not an inaccurate assessment.

00:10:11.000 You know, you got one or two people coming up and obviously no one ever used those things in terms of, you know, about people with disabilities.

00:10:17.000 It was just a word as a descriptor for someone being gay or retarded. 0.92

00:10:22.000 Yeah, right.

00:10:24.000 You know, and I love when your father got, he was gaggling and someone brought it up and said, are you sure you stand by that?

00:10:32.000 And he said, you know, I've really given this a lot of thought. 0.98

00:10:35.000 And yeah, he's retarded. 1.00

00:10:37.000 It was just so great. 1.00

00:10:38.000 Because, you know, this is part of where I've been very blessed is being editor-in-chief of Breitbart is that I've got to say gay and retarded. 1.00

00:10:46.000 It's the, not publicly, because I don't want, I don't like to get canceled for unnecessary reasons. 0.97

00:10:51.000 But, you know, privately, I've got to say gay and retarded for years. 0.96

00:10:54.000 And, you know, one of my authors, John Nolfe, uses gay all the time in his writing. 0.94

00:10:58.000 And I've never censored it at one time.

00:11:00.000 And but it's fun to see people come back around.

00:11:03.000 I did have one holdout.

00:11:04.000 I won't name her because she's a wonderful reporter, but one of my editors did not like when I would use the word retarded, which I would use quite a bit. 1.00

00:11:11.000 And even she used the word retarded recently.

00:11:14.000 And I just, we're so back now.

00:11:16.000 We're back, baby.

00:11:17.000 We're back.

00:11:19.000 We should have never been gone, but that's not how it works.

00:11:22.000 But I've never been gone.

00:11:24.000 It's one of these things where just to watch the people start realizing how insane the trans stuff was. 1.00

00:11:28.000 Is that I feel so blessed that I never had to do any of that.

00:11:31.000 I never need to have there was no pronoun discussions.

00:11:35.000 There was no we're calling Caitlin Jenner she like that never came up in the Breitbart newsroom.

00:11:41.000 It just we never had to deal with that.

00:11:42.000 And so many normal people are forced to deal with these completely insane distractions for the last decade or more.

00:11:49.000 And we just have to stop it.

00:11:50.000 And next time, let's just be faster.

00:11:52.000 Let's just be faster when people are saying you can't say gay. 0.96

00:11:55.000 But we're not trying to attack gay people.

00:11:57.000 In fact, I know I grew up in New York City. 0.82

00:11:59.000 Like half the people I knew growing up were gay.

00:12:00.000 Like it's not an attack on them. 0.99

00:12:02.000 Like it didn't like it's ridiculous. 0.89

00:12:04.000 Of course not. 0.81

00:12:05.000 And it's a it's just a it catches you.

00:12:08.000 And when you say it, when you say someone's being gay, it just makes you stop and think like, huh, am I being gay?

00:12:13.000 I don't want to do that.

00:12:14.000 And it's just, it really works as an insult.

00:12:16.000 And it's not an attack on gay.

00:12:18.000 Everyone knows this. 0.98

00:12:18.000 The same thing calling someone retarded. 0.98

00:12:20.000 It doesn't mean we're making fun of the mentally ill. 0.73

00:12:22.000 I'll tell you, I've got some friends who are slow, and I will tell you, I would never, I would never insult them by comparing them to Tim Walt.

00:12:29.000 Like they're much better and much smarter than Tim Williams. 0.98

00:12:31.000 Without question, I mean, he's way more retarded than they are. 1.00

00:12:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:12:35.000 Well, yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:12:37.000 I went through it myself, right?

00:12:38.000 I was a real estate guy from New York City.

00:12:41.000 And I was like, wait a second, when that stuff started happening, I'm like, well, we're sort of appealing to all sides.

00:12:45.000 It's just like, you know, I like being able to speak when I'm not sort of constantly checking myself.

00:12:58.000 And so, you know, I guess I probably got ahead of that curve a little bit and was willing to do that and take some of those hits a little bit because I basically gave up on this notion that,

00:13:28.000 you know, we're not a totally bifurcated thing.

00:13:30.000 And, you know, I said in our business, I said, hey, half those people are never coming back to us.

00:13:34.000 So I'd rather be, you know, looked at as a legend to this half, you know, rather than agnostic to the whole.

00:13:40.000 You know, a legend to half is much better than just sort of indifferent to everyone.

00:13:44.000 And, you know, that wasn't easy to do as a business guy when you're like, your whole market just cut in half.

00:13:49.000 Like that's that's challenging.

00:13:50.000 But you know, once you actually stood for something, it's amazing how many people sort of backed you.

00:13:55.000 And sort of that following became much stronger, even if it was a much smaller pie.

00:14:00.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:14:00.000 And it's just like if your dad equivocated on the word retarded, and if he said something like, well, I understand that some people find it offensive.

00:14:10.000 And I'm not one of those people.

00:14:11.000 And I just, I understand that a lot of people go through hardship, but it wasn't so bad when I said it wouldn't have satisfied anyone.

00:14:19.000 No one would have been happy with it.

00:14:20.000 Well, and by the way, worse than that, the equivocation is just the admittance that you were wrong.

00:14:26.000 And that's when the attack starts.

00:14:28.000 When you do the pullback, you actually get nothing out of the apology, right?

00:14:32.000 Even if it's sincere, even if it was a mistake, you get nothing from it.

00:14:34.000 That's just their opening to attack further.

00:14:37.000 When you don't give them that opening, it just sort of ends there because they're like, well, we got nothing.

00:14:41.000 We can't run with it.

00:14:42.000 You know, they'll create the drama in their own little bubble, but no one actually cares.

00:14:46.000 This is where I was very grateful for the Access Hollywood tape.

00:14:49.000 And I was one of the few people who, when it came out, said it's not going to move a single vote because I knew that your dad's voters were voting for him because they thought the immigration problem was a crisis.

00:15:00.000 Hillary was deeply corrupt. 1.00

00:15:02.000 We need to rip up NAFTA and come up with something new. 0.99

00:15:04.000 And the establishment media was the devil.

00:15:06.000 And that's where they were voting for him.

00:15:08.000 And they didn't care about that tape.

00:15:09.000 And I'm almost, I'm really glad about it because it just reminded you that you can say stuff and that's not that you wouldn't say in front of the Queen of England at a state dinner.

00:15:19.000 And it's not the end of the world.

00:15:20.000 And that moment was so big because it showed as a people that we are going to, we're not just going to cancel people for using one word they don't like.

00:15:29.000 And it's just great and it's delight.

00:15:30.000 And we owe your dad 100% for this.

00:15:33.000 It is a President Trump gets full credit for this.

00:15:35.000 Well, by the way, I remember that day vividly with the Access Hollywood tape.

00:15:38.000 I was there and it was, you know, me, the whole family.

00:15:41.000 He had Ryan's Priebus, Steve Bannon was there.

00:15:44.000 And, you know, it was like a 6 a.m. in the morning meeting in Trump Tower.

00:15:48.000 Like, oh my God, this thing came up.

00:15:50.000 And like, you know, a lot of the political experts in the room were like, oh, my God, you got to go do the apology.

00:15:55.000 You got to do this.

00:15:56.000 You got to, I mean, there were people being like, you should just, I think it may have been Ryan's Priebus at the time that just is like, okay, you should just quit now and, you know, or you're going to lose in the greatest landslide in the history.

00:16:06.000 It was like, I was like, we got like three weeks to go.

00:16:08.000 So Steve and I were the only two people in that room at the time.

00:16:10.000 Like, are you out of your mind? 0.99

00:16:11.000 Like at this point, like, maybe we lose, but we're not going down as pussies. 1.00

00:16:14.000 Like, we're going to fucking fight. 0.99

00:16:15.000 We're going to go all in. 0.99

00:16:17.000 And no, I remember it.

00:16:18.000 Steve and I were like, looked at each other in the eye and we were the only ones being like, are you out of this is even before DJT chimed in.

00:16:23.000 He was sort of listening to everyone and he ultimately agreed with us.

00:16:26.000 And I think he would have gotten there probably without us just based on everything we know about him in general.

00:16:32.000 But I remember that morning and everyone's like, you should just drop out now.

00:16:36.000 Like it's like, well, isn't that also the biggest loss in the history of presidential elections?

00:16:39.000 And Steve and I were like, we just got to go in.

00:16:41.000 But I'm not going to say I wasn't somewhat like demoralized because all of the work that we put in all of this.

00:16:46.000 And I remember, it was that Monday.

00:16:47.000 I think I went to Iowa and I gave a speech and I'm going to say it was probably one of my, you know, I'm not exactly known to be like a low energy kind of guy.

00:16:56.000 And I probably was up there like Jeb and I was a little bit, you know, low energy Jeb, exclamation point limp.

00:17:03.000 And I remember getting off the stage and a group of like five ladies and these were like, you know, evangelical Christian right like ladies grabbed me and I was, you know, taking a couple selfies and I was like, and one of them comes up to me.

00:17:16.000 He's like, Sugar, I see you're a little bit down, but my girlfriends and I had that conversation 17 times last month.

00:17:24.000 And I was like, oh, like, you know, I knew we had to keep going.

00:17:28.000 I was never going to stop.

00:17:29.000 But even, even me in the back of my head was like, man, the media spin.

00:17:32.000 Like you watch enough of the negative nonsense and you listen to the narrative enough and you like start believing some of it, even if you know it's nonsense.

00:17:39.000 And I was like, oh, like no one cares.

00:17:42.000 No one cares.

00:17:43.000 It didn't change a single vote.

00:17:45.000 Yeah.

00:17:45.000 First of all, you're allowed just to talk in private.

00:17:49.000 And second of all, what he said was objectively true.

00:17:53.000 And people don't talk about this.

00:17:54.000 Like if you actually listen to the full contact and maybe you object to the language, but of course, that's the reputation is that when you're a star, people let you do certain things.

00:18:04.000 It wasn't false, what he was saying.

00:18:06.000 And then the media overplayed it.

00:18:08.000 They acted like, and the conservative establishment was like this too.

00:18:10.000 I forget if it was Priebus or if it was Paul Ryan, but one of the other, I remember hearing what you heard, which is like, we need to just, let's just drop out.

00:18:18.000 I mean, we're going to lose.

00:18:19.000 Yeah, well, Paul Ryan said it publicly, I think.

00:18:20.000 You know, Priebus was just sort of in public, like, this is going to be a landslide.

00:18:23.000 Because again, it probably had the mindset I needed, you know.

00:18:25.000 He was good at a lot of things, but like that establishment side could not even fathom that you could actually have a conversation that, you know, and then, you know, when, you know, we, we collectively kind of coined that term locker room talk.

00:18:37.000 It's like, that's what it was.

00:18:37.000 Like, you know, that's what it was.

00:18:39.000 I've had conversations I wouldn't want to read on the front page of the New York Times.

00:18:42.000 Of course not.

00:18:42.000 Doesn't mean I believe it.

00:18:43.000 Doesn't mean I would act it out.

00:18:45.000 But it's like, you know, dudes being dudes and women being women, oftentimes the women are worse than the men. 0.99

00:18:51.000 This stuff actually happens in real life.

00:18:53.000 And to pretend that they don't is nonsensical.

00:18:57.000 Look, it's the, and I feel very happy to speak on this because I married my high school sweetheart.

00:19:02.000 We met we were 17 years old.

00:19:04.000 We have four children.

00:19:05.000 I'm in a very traditional sort of marriage and relationship.

00:19:10.000 And it's the people are way too preoccupied in trying to bust people for sexual sins and stuff and trying to just get people on these things and to feel like that means that we're now going to support Hillary Clinton all of a sudden because Trump said something.

00:19:26.000 I'll sell myself to the gulags out of principle.

00:19:29.000 I'm like, I don't know, probably not.

00:19:31.000 What are you talking about?

00:19:31.000 That's completely absurd.

00:19:33.000 And so, but anyway, I just to go back to the conversation of the moment, which is that we're taking back the words gay and retard. 0.96

00:19:38.000 I think it all stemmed from that moment.

00:19:40.000 And that's why that election was so important, so historic.

00:19:43.000 And I know that the president and his team are getting done a lot more at a much quicker clip this administration than the first one.

00:19:50.000 But that was still just be able to take out all of those sacred cows, just the left's ability to police our language and stuff. 0.98

00:19:57.000 He just continues to bear fruit. 0.88

00:19:59.000 And today it's that we can say retard again. 0.90

00:20:01.000 Well, you know, it's good because I think there's a lot of things that kind of become more and more relevant every day.

00:20:06.000 When we last spoke, we were talking about your book, Breaking the Law, Becoming sort of an instant bestseller when it dropped back in August, I believe it was.

00:20:13.000 And again, I think it feels more relevant by the day.

00:20:18.000 How did you approach putting that book together?

00:20:20.000 And I guess, you know, big picture, how should we view that and unveil that over the summer and bring it into the context of today?

00:20:30.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:20:31.000 And you guys have been kind and supportive.

00:20:33.000 And your whole family, your dad's on the cover, he endorsed it right away and he was very helpful, gave me some interviews for it.

00:20:39.000 And it is relevant because these investigations into the bad guys who tried to bankrupt your family, put them behind bars, put you behind bars, your brother, it was the whole goal is to make it so you guys could not practice your craft, apply your craft in business, and that really to subvert our democracy so that they would hijack the election by putting Trump in jail, either bankrupting him so he couldn't campaign, or worst case scenario, forcing him to campaign from a courthouse,

00:21:06.000 which you would think any other human being on earth wouldn't be able to win an election doing that.

00:21:10.000 Your dad could, unbelievably.

00:21:12.000 But we're going to keep seeing these stories pop up because there are investigations ongoing into the people who were part of the lawfare superstructure that sought to destroy your family.

00:21:22.000 And I wrote at the conclusion of the Fonnie Willis chapter about how that case should have been thrown out a long time ago, but I wrote, but that's okay because eventually it will get thrown out completely.

00:21:33.000 And then that will be a good day for President Trump and he's going to get a news cycle out of it.

00:21:36.000 And that's what happened last week, where the case finally completely got dismissed.

00:21:40.000 That case was completely absurd start to finish that even the biggest champions of lawfier, like Andrew Weissman, who's the main spokesperson for it on MSNBC, even he was saying, this one's not going to work out.

00:21:51.000 This is not going to happen.

00:21:52.000 For those of you who don't remember, Andrew Westman was the leader of Russia, Russia, Russia.

00:21:55.000 The guy tried to throw me in jail for years during the first term.

00:21:58.000 So I guess I ask, because you got midterms coming up in a year.

00:22:03.000 It feels like we're already in another election cycle.

00:22:06.000 Historically speaking, the incumbent doesn't do all that well in that.

00:22:10.000 Does any of this ever stop?

00:22:11.000 Because I'm sort of just getting ready for, hey, come next January, not this coming tenure, but the following once, if the Democrats take over the House, it's just going to be a rinse and repeat of the same nonsense.

00:22:22.000 I don't think anything comes from any of it, but like you also, the problem with Fonnie Willis, you were right.

00:22:28.000 It may be a decent news cycle for Trump, but you also still have to spend hundreds of millions of dollars fighting this lawfare.

00:22:34.000 There's no accountability for that.

00:22:35.000 There's not like, oh, you get your money back.

00:22:37.000 You waste time, money, energy.

00:22:39.000 And, you know, that's what Russia-Russia was. 0.78

00:22:41.000 It was just to slow down his agenda.

00:22:43.000 If he has to focus on not getting thrown in jail or his family not getting thrown in jail and spend money doing that and focus energy on that, you can't implement the things you want to do to actually make America great again.

00:22:52.000 Yeah, that's correct.

00:22:53.000 And that's the whole point of why this is a subversion of democracy and why the left talks about insurrection.

00:22:59.000 I think all this is insurrection.

00:23:01.000 I think all of it is the trying to make it so that Donald Trump couldn't govern in his first term because of the Russia-Russia-Russia hoax.

00:23:08.000 All that was designed to take up time, resources, and his concentration, his ability to try to implement an agenda.

00:23:15.000 That's what that was about.

00:23:16.000 Then they tried to completely destroy him every possible way via bankruptcy, jail, and then even try to murder him during the interim of the two terms.

00:23:25.000 And then now they're going to try the same stuff of the midterms don't go well.

00:23:28.000 They're going to just, it's just going to be impeachment bonanza the last two years of his administration.

00:23:32.000 And what these judges are doing, Boseberg, of course, plays in the book in a big way.

00:23:36.000 But there's dozens and dozens of justices and judges throughout the courts, throughout the country, who are trying to stop Trump's agenda and just get things clogged up in the court so that 30, 40% of the agenda just gets stopped.

00:23:48.000 And then it's got to go through the litigation process.

00:23:51.000 And then a lot of it will be allowed to continue.

00:23:53.000 But all they're doing is trying to put on the brakes, slow momentum.

00:23:57.000 Your family understands that politics is got a lot of momentum to it.

00:24:01.000 And it's the victory begets victory.

00:24:04.000 And they want to stop that.

00:24:05.000 They want to start making victories into losses.

00:24:07.000 And that's the whole playbook.

00:24:09.000 It's very nuanced.

00:24:10.000 It's very well funded.

00:24:11.000 They're very organized.

00:24:12.000 And understanding how the lawfier superstructure works is essential because that's the main resistance. 0.99

00:24:16.000 You see how pathetic the Democrats are. 0.98

00:24:18.000 They're calling for sedition. 0.99

00:24:20.000 Basically, I mean, calling for, you know, coups, military coups now.

00:24:23.000 That's what they're doing.

00:24:24.000 They have nothing.

00:24:25.000 They have no arguments.

00:24:26.000 And all they can do is flail around aside from the lawfare justices and judges who are being able to get some scalps.

00:24:33.000 Yeah.

00:24:34.000 And I think if you combine that with narrative, I see so much of that actually going on as well, which is like, you know, let's take the narrative of inflation.

00:24:39.000 So I think the inflation numbers are back in check where they need to be, but it doesn't eliminate the four years of gross inflation where prices went up.

00:24:48.000 They're like, well, it's Trump.

00:24:49.000 It's like, well, no, no, unless you ran like negative 20% inflation right now, it's hard to get prices back.

00:24:56.000 So the affordability crisis isn't Trump.

00:24:59.000 He got inflation back down to check, but you can't, it's hard to go back four years and run negative numbers when the price of goods went up so much somewhere else.

00:25:07.000 You can say you could stop him from going up 10, 15% a year going forward, but it's really hard to get negative inflation.

00:25:13.000 I mean, we haven't had that in forever, in my lifetime, certainly, where you could go negative so much to undo basically the doubling of prices for four years under Biden.

00:25:22.000 That's all him.

00:25:23.000 And yet they try to say, well, everything's still too expensive under Trump.

00:25:26.000 It's like, well, that's not because of Trump.

00:25:28.000 He's got a lot of that under control, but to go negative is almost impossible.

00:25:31.000 And it's a really difficult task to actually achieve.

00:25:33.000 Yeah, it is.

00:25:34.000 And I was looking at this about Black Friday spending surging past forecasts.

00:25:39.000 We have a big report on this at Brightbridge News: 4.1% rise, which is really big.

00:25:44.000 Holiday season shopping beginning with inflation at the lowest since 2020 for core inflation.

00:25:49.000 Inflation has come down quite a bit.

00:25:51.000 And I'll tell you, I got on my podcast, I had a 45-minute interview with Secretary Besson, Treasury Secretary, and he thinks inflation is going to completely go potentially to zero next year.

00:26:02.000 He thinks it's going to be a huge year for declined inflation.

00:26:05.000 And a lot of this has to do with the tariffs, which we were told the tariffs are going to cause inflation.

00:26:11.000 No, the opposite is happening.

00:26:13.000 It could end up having a, it could end up reducing inflation.

00:26:17.000 There'll be no apologies for this.

00:26:18.000 No one's going to take it back.

00:26:19.000 Those of us who were skeptical of the tariffs, of course, I wasn't.

00:26:22.000 I'm sure you weren't either.

00:26:24.000 But it was, there's so few of us, even on the right, who were saying, we need to do these tariffs.

00:26:28.000 This is going to rebalance the skills.

00:26:30.000 We're getting raw deals here and we need to stop it.

00:26:32.000 And your dad fought through so much noise on that, so much noise, even amongst Republicans and conservatives on that.

00:26:38.000 And so there's so many positive, there's so much positive data.

00:26:42.000 It's not all positive.

00:26:43.000 There's some cost of living issues, affordability issues we really need to take on in a major way.

00:26:48.000 But, you know, apartment rent is down.

00:26:50.000 There's so many things that are actually going decently.

00:26:53.000 It's just the media is always just going to cherry pick the worst stats.

00:26:56.000 And that's what you're going to see in the front pages.

00:26:57.000 Yeah.

00:26:58.000 I mean, in breaking the law, you connect the dots again between sort of the media, the political establishment, and really the courts all functioning as an arm of the radical left.

00:27:07.000 Now that we're into nearly, you know, a year into the second term, we've seen the Georgia case dismissed, the federal cases evaporated, Fannie Willis literally disqualified.

00:27:18.000 What's your assessment of the state of the corrupt lawfare superstructure?

00:27:22.000 What's their next move ultimately?

00:27:23.000 Do they just keep doing it and saying, hey, you know what?

00:27:26.000 If we can slow him down, if we can just keep his mind off of other things, that's good enough for now.

00:27:31.000 I don't think anyone's buying into it the way they did probably the first term, but what do you think happens next?

00:27:37.000 Yeah, this is really important here because there's a lot of people, Don, who I think are kind of doomering online.

00:27:44.000 And I think it's a small group, but I think they're getting elevated by various algorithms.

00:27:49.000 And I think that there's some foreign bots who are amplifying this.

00:27:52.000 But there's a lot of people who are acting as though things aren't good enough.

00:27:55.000 They're too disappointed in something.

00:27:57.000 And thus it's fair game to check out.

00:28:00.000 The only way to stop the lawfare superstructure, definitively, the only way to stop it is to win elections.

00:28:05.000 It's the only way.

00:28:06.000 That's how these judges get, they get picked.

00:28:09.000 They get elected or they get appointed by people who've been elected.

00:28:14.000 It's the only way to stop them.

00:28:16.000 And this is one of the things that during the Biden years with Joe Biden should not have won that election.

00:28:20.000 I know that a lot of people think he didn't win that election.

00:28:23.000 He was able to appoint with Chuck Schumer all of these judges and justices throughout the country continuing to rack up the potential to block parts of the agenda.

00:28:33.000 And the only way out of this is to win.

00:28:35.000 So we have to win all these races.

00:28:38.000 Sure, we could try some impeachments if they're going to be effective, but that takes a lot of political capital.

00:28:42.000 And if they don't work, then it wastes a lot of time.

00:28:44.000 So I'm not a huge, we should impeach all the just the judges we don't like guy.

00:28:48.000 The only way to win long term is to stay engaged and focus in off-year elections, in down ballot elections.

00:28:54.000 And that is a hard path, but it is the only path to stop them.

00:28:58.000 And if you see something where you get fed up because some part of the agenda that you liked is getting blocked by some know-nothing judge you've never heard of and it shouldn't be, there's only one solution.

00:29:08.000 We have to win more.

00:29:09.000 Yeah.

00:29:10.000 What do you make of, you know, I thought it was sort of interesting.

00:29:12.000 You know, in the last two weeks, you had X sort of showing where people are actually posting from.

00:29:17.000 And you realize that a lot of the accounts that tend to get stuff to go viral have either fairly large followings.

00:29:23.000 Now, some of them are probably through VPNs.

00:29:24.000 And so maybe that's why they're showing up abroad.

00:29:27.000 But you could also see a lot of it was clearly just essentially a foreign influence op going around on social media by a lot of accounts that probably even you and I had followed for years.

00:29:36.000 You realize they're just on the payroll working for someone else.

00:29:39.000 What do you make of all of that?

00:29:40.000 Yeah, it's very clear that whatever is happening online is trying to amplify division on the right.

00:29:45.000 This is another weapon the left has right now.

00:29:48.000 And I think a lot of people who are genuinely disappointed in certain parts of the agenda, maybe they're not committed to the president's coalition.

00:29:55.000 And it's being used to manipulate the public to think that things are going worse than they are with the agenda.

00:30:00.000 And I'm not saying that everyone should be satisfied.

00:30:02.000 You should never be satisfied.

00:30:03.000 You should always demand more from your leaders.

00:30:05.000 But overall, we've seen a lot of progress that would have been unthinkable in any other administration.

00:30:11.000 And yet you go online and you see all of a sudden that MAGA is dead or something.

00:30:15.000 And a lot of these people are clearly are the foreign bot accounts.

00:30:22.000 And they see that aside from these lawfare judges blocking Trump's executive actions, things like that, the other thing that they have that's powerful is they're trying to drive a wedge between to break up our coalition.

00:30:35.000 And that's very effective if they can do that, because one of our biggest enemies right now is apathy.

00:30:42.000 We have a lot of low propensity voters showed up and voted when President Trump was on the ballot.

00:30:49.000 He's not going to be on the ballot in Tennessee this week.

00:30:52.000 He's not going to be on the ballot in the midterms next time, but he is in a way because his agenda is going to get completely shut down.

00:30:59.000 But people need to understand that if you're not supporting the people who support the president's agenda, then you're not supporting the president.

00:31:06.000 And until people get that, the left is going to have an opportunity to beat us.

00:31:11.000 But I don't think it's just the left either, though.

00:31:13.000 I think there's definitely an element of con ink, meaning, you know, neocon conservatism, you know, never-ending war conservatism, ship your jobs and your American dream to China, conservatism.

00:31:24.000 You know, I see that as being sort of an unholy alliance as well.

00:31:29.000 Those guys, you know, I think they're viewing this as their only chance probably in this century to ever try to bring back that side of the Republican Party.

00:31:38.000 I think it's dead, but they're certainly relishing at this.

00:31:41.000 I mean, it definitely seems to me like this is largely an attack, not just on the MAGA America First agenda, but also on JD Vance, someone who could be a successor to that and will continue to run with that agenda as opposed to going back to the good old ways of Republicanism where it's about the billionaire donor class.

00:31:59.000 It's about no one else.

00:32:00.000 And I think that's an important thing to discuss.

00:32:02.000 What are your thoughts on it?

00:32:03.000 Yeah, you make an important point.

00:32:04.000 I agree with this completely.

00:32:06.000 There are certainly people in the establishment of the Republican Party who would like to see a return to the old ways of the Republican Party.

00:32:14.000 And they see a fissures in the MAGA coalition as a way to get there.

00:32:19.000 Because as of now, if we had the election today, JD Vance, if he said that I'm picking Marco Rubio as my vice president, it'd be basically a coronation.

00:32:27.000 Like he would skate through, there'd be almost no primary.

00:32:30.000 He'd vanquish everyone.

00:32:31.000 But they could see that over a three-year horizon, that if you divide MAGA enough, then all of a sudden you could see an establishment Republican perhaps contend for a nomination.

00:32:42.000 And that's going to be very tempting to people who have always hated Donald Trump and have always hated parts of the MAGA movement.

00:32:47.000 They don't like that he's been right about certain things like endless wars and trade and things where the Republican establishment's been horrible on them over the last few decades.

00:32:56.000 They haven't accepted that they were wrong and they have cognitive dissonance on that front.

00:33:00.000 And they would love to see an establishmentarian or someone at least more sympathetic to the establishment get nominated, not JD Vance.

00:33:06.000 So they're going to, at a minimum, sit on their hands as some of these fights play out.

00:33:12.000 And so that's why we need to be aware that this is happening.

00:33:15.000 We need to identify who the people are who are trying to see the fissures happen.

00:33:19.000 But then also it's important that there's red meat being tossed to new members of Trump's coalition.

00:33:25.000 Let's get the investigations going.

00:33:26.000 I've got a huge list of all the lawfare investigations that should take place.

00:33:29.000 I love that Tish James and Jack Smith are under investigation.

00:33:34.000 But let's add Fonnie Willis in there.

00:33:36.000 Let's add Lewis Kaplan, who is the judge in the insane Eugene Carroll case.

00:33:41.000 Let's add Andrew Weissman in there.

00:33:43.000 Let's add Allison Greenfield, who was your dad called Chuck Schumer's girlfriend, who was Arthur Engron's top clerk.

00:33:53.000 Let's start bringing these people in, Joe Biden, Hunter Biden.

00:33:56.000 Let's get all these people going.

00:33:57.000 Let's nullify some of the Autopen stuff.

00:33:59.000 Let's throw the red meat out there too. 0.56

00:34:01.000 But understand that trying to divide the MAGA coalition is what the left and the establishment can agree on could really hurt us in the next three to four years.

00:34:10.000 Yeah.

00:34:11.000 And I mean, from the left, we're seeing even more of that.

00:34:13.000 I mean, we're seeing some of this with the seditious six, you know, and essentially calls for the U.S. military to disobey orders.

00:34:20.000 I mean, talk about insurrection.

00:34:22.000 I mean, I can't, you know, they love using words.

00:34:25.000 I'm like, I'm not quite sure you know what that means because, you know, they're doing it themselves.

00:34:28.000 But Democrats don't want tough actions against narco-terrorists. 0.81

00:34:33.000 They don't want any of that.

00:34:35.000 But they were more than happy to throw your grandmother, who was within 1,500 miles of D.C. on January 6th in jail without due process.

00:34:42.000 Why is that?

00:34:43.000 Why is the narco-terrorist thing their red line? 0.91

00:34:46.000 Why will they go out there and commit what I believe to be sedition to defend narco-terrorists? 0.98

00:34:54.000 Some of the things at least, I don't agree with them, but at least I understand what their end game is.

00:34:58.000 Here, I'm not exactly sure what it is.

00:35:00.000 Yeah, I don't know either.

00:35:02.000 This is a really heavy Kilmar Abrego Garcia vibes for me, where it feels like one where they feel like they got us on this.

00:35:12.000 And I just don't.

00:35:13.000 I feel like they're going to, this is going to backfire, but they think that they've got some sort of technicality that we need to get approval for Congress for blowing up ships.

00:35:22.000 And so long as we're not accidentally blowing up fishing boats, which I tell you, we read Venezuelan media at Breitbart.

00:35:30.000 I have nothing to suggest that any of this has that we're doing anything other than blowing up literal drug ships.

00:35:38.000 Well, I got a more pragmatic approach to it.

00:35:41.000 When you see out of Venezuela, you know, this isn't Miami during yacht week or whatever it is.

00:35:45.000 Like, you know, you don't have GoFast boats running quad 450s.

00:35:50.000 You know what I mean?

00:35:50.000 Like, they don't fish with that in Venezuela.

00:35:53.000 Okay.

00:35:53.000 Again, in Miami, where the per capita income is a lot higher and you got a lot of millionaires and billionaires, you know, I can see that.

00:35:59.000 But, you know, a GoFast boat with four, you know, 400 or 450, you know, Mercs on the back of it, like, you know, that's a million dollar boat.

00:36:07.000 Like, that doesn't, you know, that's not a Venezuelan fishing boat.

00:36:10.000 There's no fishing boat in Venezuela that expensive.

00:36:12.000 And yet, you know, there's dozens of them running out of there, you know, with blue barrels.

00:36:16.000 Like, that's not chum.

00:36:17.000 That's not bait.

00:36:18.000 You know, there's no rods and there's no nets.

00:36:20.000 Like, it's pretty clear what these things are.

00:36:22.000 And yet they pretend like it's not the case.

00:36:24.000 So something crossed my mind because these boats look and behave differently than fishing boats.

00:36:29.000 The locals are all saying they're drug boats.

00:36:31.000 The beloved Intel community probably provided some of the Intel so we know these are drug boats. 0.54

00:36:36.000 So I thought the left loves the Intel community.

00:36:38.000 So I'd say they're the ones who are probably feeding us a lot of this information.

00:36:41.000 We don't see any fishermen being targeted at this point.

00:36:44.000 And yet the Pentagon isn't being entirely forthcoming about what's going on.

00:36:47.000 And that makes me think that maybe they've set a trap.

00:36:49.000 Maybe they're intentionally not saying a lot because maybe one day that they'll divulge more information and how they know how they're operating so efficiently.

00:36:58.000 And in the meantime, your dad gets to have these great sound bites. 0.89

00:37:00.000 He's like, we're going to kill him. 1.00

00:37:02.000 Dead. 1.00

00:37:02.000 They're going to be dead. 1.00

00:37:03.000 We're going to kill him. 1.00

00:37:05.000 Yes, exactly. 1.00

00:37:05.000 That's what we want. 1.00

00:37:06.000 Is it anyone that stops?

00:37:07.000 How many fentanyl deaths do we have in this country every year?

00:37:10.000 100,000.

00:37:11.000 100,000?

00:37:12.000 It's two Vietnamese.

00:37:13.000 I always say it.

00:37:14.000 Because it's like it just puts the whole issue because everyone knows someone, but maybe I just happen, you know, everyone has one degree of connection to someone who's died from fentanyl or a friend of or whatever it may be.

00:37:26.000 But like when you think about 100,000 deaths, two Vietnams a year. 1.00

00:37:30.000 I mean, I think that just puts such perspective on the problem.

00:37:32.000 I mean, that.

00:37:33.000 Of course it does.

00:37:34.000 And so we're going to, I'll tell you, I hope it doesn't happen.

00:37:37.000 But I mean, if we accidentally took out one fishing boat because we were trying to stop 100,000 American deaths, like it's the, this is the trap that I feel like the Trump administration is setting that this has got to be a 97.3 issue, right?

00:37:51.000 I mean, it's the, who wants us not to bomb drugs that are coming in to kill our country?

00:37:57.000 Clearly, there are technicalities to suggest that this is absolutely the perfect use of our fighting forces.

00:38:03.000 What's the point of fighting forces if we're supposed to allow drug boats to come and deliver chemicals that are going to destroy Americans' lives and communities?

00:38:13.000 It's just common sense logic here.

00:38:16.000 And so that's why I feel like this is a trap that is going to backfire on the people who are wringing their hands over it.

00:38:20.000 I would think so.

00:38:21.000 Because again, no one wants never-ending wars or any of this.

00:38:24.000 But if you send one $20,000 missile and you can save 10,000 lives, 100,000 lives over the year, you spend a million bucks to do that.

00:38:32.000 I like that a lot better than spending trillions of dollars in the Middle East or in Ukraine.

00:38:37.000 And in terms of a clear and present danger to the citizenry of the United States, that's a good bang for the buck.

00:38:43.000 No pun intended.

00:38:45.000 Yeah, and I guess the point, just to be, I think, respectful, some people in the audience are probably afraid of us doing regime change in Venezuela.

00:38:54.000 I don't think that's what President Trump wants to do.

00:38:57.000 I have seen no evidence he wants to do regime change anywhere, really.

00:39:01.000 I think he likes to be unpredictable and surprising to people.

00:39:04.000 And I don't think that there's a really clear path to do that.

00:39:07.000 And so he could do it.

00:39:09.000 He likes to, I think, move quickly and get victories.

00:39:11.000 I don't think he likes prolonged struggles, which I think all the evidence suggests that that's what it would be like in Venezuela.

00:39:16.000 So I don't want to see that happen.

00:39:17.000 I'm hoping that's not what's going to happen, but I'm cautious of it.

00:39:21.000 I'm trying to keep an eye on that, but I just don't see it.

00:39:23.000 Yeah.

00:39:24.000 Well, I mean, you know, immigration is really at the center of all of this, right?

00:39:27.000 The refugees aren't vetted. 1.00

00:39:29.000 We saw that last week in DC.

00:39:32.000 We had Maduro emptying prisons under Biden.

00:39:35.000 These are facts.

00:39:37.000 We had, obviously, the Afghan disaster. 0.96

00:39:39.000 It really feels like one of the biggest acts of evil and corruption against the United States that we've ever seen.

00:39:46.000 And it's taking American lives.

00:39:48.000 How do we as a nation reckon with all of that?

00:39:50.000 I mean, it's imagine an elected body that seems to be working in exactly the opposite of the best interests of its citizens.

00:40:01.000 That's exactly right.

00:40:02.000 And so I feel like what's the point of government?

00:40:06.000 Isn't the point of government to benefit citizens, to keep us secure?

00:40:09.000 And what's the point of an executive branch and a Department of War if we don't have the ability to do these things from time to time when it's very clear that people are consistently doing us harm and intentionally doing us harm and are leaving Americans vulnerable on a daily basis?

00:40:26.000 And so long as the border's been open, so long as we've been seeing this horrific story about the National Guardsmen who were shot upon by a alien who had come here, welcomed by the Biden administration, not vetted through a program where we at the time at Breitbart were complaining, we're not vetting these people.

00:40:44.000 Everyone who gave us one piece of intel during a botched war that we did not win in Afghanistan, that does not give you a right to be an American forever.

00:40:54.000 And we're not enforcing the visas.

00:40:55.000 And then Americans are getting killed.

00:40:57.000 We need a hard reset on the way we treat immigration in this country.

00:41:00.000 And hopefully these news stories of late are allowing us to speak more plainly about this.

00:41:05.000 And I think we are.

00:41:06.000 Yeah, I mean, you really almost have to ask yourself about the corrupt channels of influence with the cartel specifically.

00:41:11.000 I mean, we've seen a couple of recent reports on how left-wing groups here in America were actually being funded by Latin American communists.

00:41:20.000 I mean, it feels like we're over the target on something very deep and very disturbing here.

00:41:25.000 You know, I know your book sort of lifts the curtain on some of those funding mechanisms, but can you elaborate a little bit?

00:41:31.000 Yeah, I think that one of the things that's noteworthy is that we see a lot of following the money.

00:41:37.000 A lot of people want to see chaos and division in this country.

00:41:41.000 And there's all sorts of people, people who don't share our same aspirations in terms of global security and the global world order that has America at the top.

00:41:52.000 And a lot of people who are on the left and don't like the Trump way of doing things.

00:41:55.000 So we're constantly following the money at Breitbart to see who's funding certain things.

00:41:59.000 And you always have to look at foreign powers and you always have to look at the billionaire class and where they're spreading their money around.

00:42:05.000 And in the case of lawfare, you see repeatedly over and over again, names pop up who are funding the lawfare superstructure to make it very lucrative to try to ruin your families' lives and try to make it so that more importantly, conservatives can't get good representation, that you can't get good attorneys.

00:42:22.000 You can't get high quality people who are not super brave to be able to represent your businesses.

00:42:27.000 And when you go to trial.

00:42:29.000 And so a lot of names are familiar.

00:42:31.000 Reed Hoffman, another guy who should be investigated who is close Biden ally and funds all sorts of horrible things.

00:42:38.000 Loren Powell Jobs, who's been featured in all my books, Steve Jobs's widow, who funds The Atlantic, but also all sorts of wild left-wing fake news entities online, close friends with Kamala Harris.

00:42:49.000 But then you see people like the Sandler Foundation, which I wasn't super familiar with the Sandler Foundation, but they have this thing called ProPublica, which you've heard of, which does some reporting, but all of this is very targeted.

00:43:00.000 They're trying to ruin the lives of Clarence Thomas and CMU Alito, the two most stalwart defenders of our Constitution in bar none in the country.

00:43:09.000 And all they do is try to dig up dirt to try to make their lives miserable.

00:43:12.000 And it's all guilt by association tactics.

00:43:15.000 They never find anything that's actually improper or illegal.

00:43:17.000 They do.

00:43:18.000 They just do a harassment campaign. 0.93

00:43:20.000 So they'll do whatever they can.

00:43:21.000 Can they get you disbarred?

00:43:22.000 They'll try that.

00:43:23.000 Can they bankrupt you?

00:43:23.000 They'll try that.

00:43:24.000 Can they just give you a hard time?

00:43:26.000 They'll try that.

00:43:27.000 And that's how they do it when it comes to lawfare, but it's also top to bottom throughout the government.

00:43:33.000 So following the money has always been our tried and true tactic at Breitbart.

00:43:36.000 So, I mean, you're from Los Angeles.

00:43:38.000 So, you know, from Proposition 50 and the redistricting wars to Newsom's former chief of staff getting indicted on corruption charges to the state insurance commissioner embroiled in really one scandal after another, all of the taxpayer dime.

00:43:52.000 You know, what is it about the California political machine that keeps producing this cast of characters?

00:43:58.000 Yeah, it's a one-party town and it's run by the Democrat machine, which is a left-wing entity.

00:44:04.000 There's no real opposition.

00:44:06.000 Republicans are just, we've never been organized.

00:44:10.000 It's been painful.

00:44:11.000 I was in college Republicans 20 years ago, and it was really depressing then and has not improved since.

00:44:17.000 And if you wonder why we produce such bad politicians, they're not contested.

00:44:22.000 I mean, our Congress is a super majority Democrat.

00:44:27.000 So all it is is a race to the left.

00:44:29.000 And if you understand the left, you understand that for them, politics is above all else.

00:44:36.000 It is the most important thing in their life.

00:44:39.000 More than God, more than family, more than duty, more than it is their God.

00:44:43.000 It's their religion.

00:44:44.000 Leftism is their religion.

00:44:46.000 Yeah.

00:44:46.000 And I look at it: if you see a lot of your favorite, you know, conservative commentators bio, it's probably going to say that, you know, it'll list their faith and it'll list their family and then it's their work.

00:44:55.000 You know, then that's what they care about.

00:44:57.000 That's not how it is in the left.

00:44:58.000 So they don't care if you cheat and lie and steal so long as you're a dependable left-wing vote.

00:45:04.000 If you have a history of voting left, of moving things leftward in this state, then you're going to continue to get support.

00:45:10.000 And the only time you run afoul of the machine is when you start taking conservatives seriously.

00:45:17.000 Look at Gavin Newsome.

00:45:18.000 Gavin Newsom starts a podcast.

00:45:20.000 He starts talking to conservatives.

00:45:21.000 He has Steve Bannon and Charlie Kirk and Michael Savage on.

00:45:24.000 And it's super compelling content.

00:45:26.000 He goes down the polls.

00:45:28.000 People don't like when he talks to the other side.

00:45:30.000 And then he starts having left-wingers on.

00:45:32.000 No one cares about his podcast anymore, but he goes up in the polls for who's going to win in 2028.

00:45:37.000 And that's exactly how it works out here: if you try to do anything reasonable in terms of normal Americans, conservatives, et cetera, that's bad.

00:45:46.000 But if you toe the line, left-wing party line, you can get away with literally ripping off the taxpayers.

00:45:51.000 And it's very depressing, to be honest with you.

00:45:53.000 So in the last few weeks, we had Steve Hilton on, one of the conservatives running for governor, Fox News personality, great guy.

00:46:02.000 What do you think the state of play is in the California governor's race?

00:46:04.000 I mean, is this that moment between the fires, the corruption scandals, all of this stuff that's going on in California where people have had enough?

00:46:11.000 Or is it an insurmountable machine at this point?

00:46:13.000 It's insurmountable, but it doesn't mean we can't try because you got to get momentum.

00:46:18.000 I'm very committed to fighting the good fight, but it is the Republicans and conservatives are not sufficiently fired up in off-year elections.

00:46:29.000 And part of it's from what I already stated, Don, and that the left considers a politics above all else.

00:46:35.000 We would prefer to live as individuals, to show up and vote once every two years, once every four years, and then go back to our families and our jobs and building things and trying to live a noble life.

00:46:46.000 And we're not sitting around trying to think about politics all the time.

00:46:50.000 The left-wing political machine is politics all day, every day.

00:46:54.000 They're out there protesting.

00:46:55.000 Who knows what this weekend in my neighborhood and my neighborhood sort of leans conservative.

00:46:59.000 It's just, they're fired up all the time.

00:47:02.000 And until we can match that energy, then we're going to have a really hard time winning in areas that are stacked against us and winning and off-year elections.

00:47:10.000 And this is a call to arms.

00:47:12.000 Your audience, super engaged people.

00:47:13.000 We need to get more activists in our approach, or I'm going to be given bad news from places like California.

00:47:19.000 Yeah, no, I mean, we saw that and you're 100% right.

00:47:21.000 I mean, you know, Trump won in a, you know, in a landslide victory in November a year ago.

00:47:27.000 And, you know, two months later in January, there was a special election for the Supreme that basically decided the control of the Supreme Court in Wisconsin, which will decide on redistricting and these kinds of things.

00:47:39.000 And you can win by a few points there and no one shows up for the special election on our side.

00:47:44.000 I mean, it's one of those like, wait a minute, we won by X number of points.

00:47:47.000 Like if those people come, we win.

00:47:49.000 But they didn't even bother.

00:47:50.000 They didn't even know about it.

00:47:51.000 So you're right.

00:47:51.000 Like once we got what we wanted, we're like, okay, we got what we wanted.

00:47:54.000 I'll see you in four years.

00:47:55.000 Maybe some of us will see you in two.

00:47:58.000 But the rest were checked out and you basically gave them back a state that we won in a pretty sizable victory.

00:48:03.000 Completely toxic attitude.

00:48:05.000 And that is where I think that it's obviously a multifaceted approach if we're going to maintain our majorities and grow them.

00:48:12.000 But it is, we got to end doomerism online.

00:48:16.000 Things are going better than we could have ever anticipated if President Kamala Harris or President Biden.

00:48:22.000 And we need to get people jacked up to investigate all the bad guys and then to get activated politically off-year elections, being persuasive, being convincing, being cool, being culturally relevant.

00:48:33.000 And if we lose sight of those things, then we are going to lose.

00:48:37.000 It's just going to happen.

00:48:39.000 And that's not acceptable because what they want to do with this country is horrific.

00:48:42.000 I've been a, I've had a front row seat to it in California where every single problem has gotten worse under Gavin Newsom's tenure here.

00:48:50.000 Traffic's gotten worse, airports gotten worse, homelessness has gotten worse, crime has gotten worse, taxes have gone up, half the state almost burned down with fires.

00:48:58.000 There is no benefit.

00:48:59.000 He doesn't have a single victory to point to unless your goal is to have more men on women's podiums and in prep sports. 0.93

00:49:07.000 Other than that, he's a nothing and he's the frontrunner for the Democrat nominee for 2028 as of now.

00:49:11.000 How could that possibly be?

00:49:13.000 We should be destroying these people politically.

00:49:15.000 And we're not.

00:49:16.000 We're winning, I would say overall, but it should be a blowout.

00:49:20.000 Yeah, I mean, speaking of prep schools, I mean, you went to Harvard West Lake in Los Angeles.

00:49:24.000 You know, what is the state of Los Angeles, you know, more specifically?

00:49:28.000 I mean, is there a path forward there?

00:49:30.000 I mean, because if you talk about the state sort of just being, you know, a rudderless ship, I mean, LA has got to be, you know, the captain of that rudderless ship.

00:49:39.000 Yeah.

00:49:40.000 And in a way, what's interesting is that a lot of conservatives have moved out of the state.

00:49:45.000 And I understand it.

00:49:46.000 And because you always think about it, it's funny.

00:49:48.000 I had an interview with Victor Davis Hansen a year or two ago.

00:49:51.000 And I asked him, he lives in Fresno, which is about an hour and a half north of where I live.

00:49:56.000 And I asked him, I said, do you ever think about leaving?

00:50:00.000 And he said, oh, we all think about leaving, meaning all conservatives.

00:50:05.000 And it's true. 0.56

00:50:06.000 It's the, I have a conversation with my wife every other week, like, should we get out of here?

00:50:10.000 And ultimately, there's a lot of great stuff here.

00:50:13.000 It is, you know, the weather's fantastic.

00:50:14.000 The vacations are fantastic.

00:50:16.000 The getaways, people generally run pretty happy relative to a lot of the country, at least where I am.

00:50:23.000 Not in LA, LA, everyone's very bummed out because of all the crime and anger and angst.

00:50:28.000 But it's kind of lost.

00:50:30.000 It's kind of a lost place where people pursue not meaningful things, you know, just the most flimsy of entertainment, the influencer class, where just everyone's just selfieing it all the time and then going to fancy restaurants, but they don't really, they're not building any wealth or anything like that.

00:50:47.000 It's a very nihilistic worldview out here in LA.

00:50:49.000 So I don't really know if it's salvageable anytime soon, Don.

00:50:53.000 But if you want to eat and shop, it's a good place.

00:50:55.000 Yeah, I mean, I guess that's the point.

00:50:57.000 Anyone who's, you know, running a business or, you know, you realize like not only can you not be there, you know, for all the obvious reasons, you're, you're almost like breaking your fiduciary responsibility to your investors, to your employees by staying, which is why everyone's moving to Texas or Arizona or Florida or elsewhere.

00:51:13.000 I mean, if you're in California, you're mostly moving sort of, you know, south and a little bit east towards Texas or something like that.

00:51:19.000 You see the same thing with the flight out of New York to, you know, North Carolina, Georgia, obviously Florida.

00:51:29.000 The creators are eventually going to they're going to leave because they have no choice.

00:51:34.000 but let me speak to one thing that's important because a lot of people don't understand why, how someone like me could live out here.

00:51:51.000 And it's always been great research for me because as being a person who's part of conservative media and on the activist conservative side of the aisle, then I really do get an insight into what the left does that's effective.

00:52:03.000 That's always helped me.

00:52:04.000 But a lot of it's family and network.

00:52:05.000 Is that I'm out here because of my wife's work. 0.99

00:52:08.000 My wife's a cancer doctor and her whole network was out here.

00:52:12.000 And I work online, so I can be anywhere.

00:52:14.000 And we have all four grandparents who are out here.

00:52:16.000 So I just want people to understand that there's lots of reasons why conservatives live in blue areas.

00:52:21.000 And it is, you know, the weather was fantastic this weekend.

00:52:23.000 I can play golf on Christmas Day.

00:52:25.000 Like there's a lot of great stuff about this state.

00:52:28.000 There's a lot of obvious horrible stuff as well.

00:52:31.000 And so I don't blame anyone who would ever leave.

00:52:33.000 But I do think that it would be great to try to win states like this back.

00:52:37.000 I know that you probably feel similarly about New York.

00:52:40.000 Like there's a, it would be great if we could win back New York one day.

00:52:43.000 So it's just good to think about, let's not give up on everything.

00:52:46.000 Obviously, I know a lot of people look at me and think I must be an idiot for being in California, but it's not quite that bad because if you look at the network and the family, then we want to make it so that America is livable anywhere.

00:52:57.000 Like we don't want to make it so that, you know, other than, I guess, like Berkeley or something, I mean, it's the, we want it to be that you should be able to have a decent life and to not, you should be entitled to law and order, which we're not in LA. 0.80

00:53:09.000 Like we don't treat law and order like it matters.

00:53:12.000 That's crazy.

00:53:13.000 And we should care.

00:53:14.000 I mean, Breitbart was born in West LA, if I remember correctly.

00:53:17.000 I mean, when you think back to those moments, what really stands out.

00:53:21.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:53:23.000 Andrew and I were from similar areas and from West LA.

00:53:27.000 And I think we had the same worldview that we could understand the power of the culture.

00:53:31.000 And Andrew was the first one to preach that culture was upstream of politics, which is something that everyone on the right agrees with this now, Don.

00:53:39.000 And we all think we came up with it ourselves.

00:53:41.000 We all think that we all like, yeah, of course, culture is way more important.

00:53:45.000 And look at the reality TV stars, the president, of course.

00:53:48.000 No, no one knew that.

00:53:49.000 No one was saying that.

00:53:50.000 Andrew was the only one who was saying that 15 years ago.

00:53:53.000 And I grown up in West LA, as you mentioned, and I went to school in Hollywood and I went to school at Berkeley.

00:53:59.000 And I got to see how could the left with these hideous people, these horrible ideas, how come they're winning?

00:54:06.000 And you start seeing it's because of the messaging.

00:54:08.000 Their messaging machine was so much better.

00:54:11.000 And that was a real education.

00:54:13.000 And you could arrive at conservative viewpoints, but understand that we were still losing unless we reset the messaging machine.

00:54:19.000 And that's what we've done over the last decade plus with Donald Trump being the most important figure in this.

00:54:25.000 But it's really been a big collective effort on the media front and how we learned to meme better and how we got hotter than they are.

00:54:31.000 And it's like, oh, we got funnier and all of that was part of a grand design that started to take shape starting with Andrew Breitbart.

00:54:39.000 And if he wasn't, if he grew up in a normal part of flyover country, then he would never have learned all that.

00:54:46.000 But he was in, he was a music journalist and he would deliver scripts in town.

00:54:51.000 And he was on the periphery of Hollywood.

00:54:53.000 His father-in-law, Orson Bean, is the Hollywood legend.

00:54:57.000 And that's where he understood the tactics the left was using.

00:55:01.000 And that's where they were winning.

00:55:02.000 And that's what he imbued in us at Breitbart.

00:55:05.000 But I think we were able to successfully transfer that to really the entire movement.

00:55:10.000 You know, I guess on a personal note, you know, what really keeps you motivated to keep writing, keep doing all this work around the clock, especially, you know, where you're at with everything you have to get through.

00:55:20.000 Thank you for asking that.

00:55:21.000 That's a really fun to answer that one.

00:55:23.000 The two things is I hate the left.

00:55:25.000 I really do.

00:55:26.000 And there's a lot of confusion.

00:55:28.000 Hate is a powerful motivator.

00:55:29.000 I mean, love and hate become basically the same thing at a certain point in terms of motivation.

00:55:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:55:35.000 And it's the, there's infighting on the right right now.

00:55:38.000 And I have takes on all that.

00:55:39.000 And it's all nuance, though.

00:55:41.000 It's, but what I, what I hate is the left.

00:55:43.000 Like, that's what when I wake up in the morning, I hate what they do to this country.

00:55:47.000 I hate that they hate freedom.

00:55:48.000 I hate that they want to confiscate more of my money.

00:55:51.000 I hate that they want to keep the borders open.

00:55:52.000 I hate that they think illegal aliens are more important than my children.

00:55:55.000 I hate all that stuff. 0.91

00:55:56.000 And I hate the establishment.

00:55:58.000 I hate the forever wars.

00:55:59.000 And I hate that they think they're entitled to more of our money to send the defense industry and all that stuff.

00:56:03.000 And it's like, I just hate all that stuff.

00:56:06.000 And so I want to defeat all that.

00:56:08.000 But I play a realist.

00:56:10.000 Anyone who listens to my podcast and sees our commentary, Breitbart, I kind of play a realist.

00:56:15.000 But in my heart, I'm an optimist.

00:56:16.000 I have a bunch of children, as you do, Don.

00:56:18.000 And I really, believe it or not, think America's best days are in front of us, even though a lot of the evidence suggests that's not true.

00:56:24.000 I still believe it in my heart.

00:56:26.000 Like, I really do think those days can happen.

00:56:29.000 And so that's what I'm doing: is that I think the harder we work now, the better chance for my children will have a better life than I do.

00:56:36.000 And I think that's very possible.

00:56:38.000 And I think people who have given up on that, I think, are really being a little lazy mentally.

00:56:44.000 Yeah.

00:56:44.000 Listen, I agree with you 100%.

00:56:46.000 I can assure you it was a lot easier being a real estate developer from New York City and shutting my mouth and just going along with it, even if I was a conservative.

00:56:54.000 But that's not a country I want to leave to my children.

00:56:57.000 And so that's sort of why I do this at this point.

00:57:00.000 But in that last answer, you brought up sort of an important word that I think is definitely missing, which was nuance.

00:57:08.000 We've seen so much of that.

00:57:09.000 I mean, I saw so much of that in the wake of Charlie Kirk's passing.

00:57:14.000 I know you, along with me, and I guess, you know, Jack Poso and Benny, you know, we're like the four people sort of sanctioned by Erica and TPUSA to like literally speak on his behalf because we knew him so well.

00:57:28.000 But immediately, you know, online, you saw the, well, Charlie was 100 billion percent pro-Israel or Charlie Kirk had 100% turned against Israel.

00:57:36.000 It's like, well, you can actually be 100% pro-Israel, but not necessarily have to agree with 100% of the government that rules it.

00:57:43.000 And like there is nuance, but online, you only saw binary options.

00:57:47.000 You were either 100% in or you were 100% out. 0.99

00:57:50.000 And that was bullshit. 0.99

00:57:52.000 You know, people's minds can change. 1.00

00:57:53.000 People's thoughts.

00:57:54.000 You know, certainly, and I'm sure you had these same conversations with Charlie could evolve and you could have been much more pro-something a few years ago and go against it.

00:58:02.000 Doesn't mean you're not against, it doesn't mean you're against the idea generally, but you could say, well, I don't necessarily love everything that's going on in the ruling party of a country.

00:58:10.000 That doesn't mean I've changed my support on Israel.

00:58:13.000 A country isn't necessarily its current government.

00:58:17.000 And so the nuance thing is something that feels like it's missing, especially online, where again, It does feel like the most vocal people out there are either very clearly on a payroll or the nuance doesn't generate the clicks that the extreme takes on either side do.

00:58:39.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:58:40.000 And there's, I think Charlie, who I spoke to about Israel basically on a daily basis, because he's someone who he relied on my takes on that.

00:58:49.000 I'm proud to say.

00:58:50.000 And he, the, he was overall a pro-Israel person, but he was deeply critical of the way they manage their PR.

00:58:57.000 And he certainly, he certainly thought they were total disasters when it came to messaging.

00:59:02.000 And he thought that that compromised him to some degree because he felt like he was doing their job for them on campuses where he was getting peppered with questions about Israel.

00:59:11.000 And he was kind of thinking, why am I the one who's, I didn't appoint myself to be spokesman for Israel.

00:59:15.000 And I think that that's really meaningful that as someone who liked Israel, I think that's meaningful that he had that critique.

00:59:22.000 And I think he genuinely was someone who wanted to keep Americans out of wars.

00:59:27.000 And I think he had a concern that if we were going to get into a major world war, I think if you would have asked him, he would have thought we're not going to.

00:59:34.000 But I think that he didn't absolutely want to make sure that there's no new wars because we're fighting on Israel's behalf.

00:59:41.000 And I think that that's all very reasonable.

00:59:44.000 Like, I don't think.

00:59:44.000 Yeah, that was my point when I would see online.

00:59:46.000 It's like, no way he would have gone to war and everyone would have died in a nuclear explosion.

00:59:53.000 I'm like, I don't know.

00:59:54.000 It's not the guy I knew.

00:59:56.000 And I don't think most of the people speaking online knew him better than I did.

01:00:00.000 I probably spoke to him every day for a decade, and then some.

01:00:05.000 But to me, it was amazing that the idea that there may be nuance, that there may be a path down the middle and that's just totally just forgotten about is wild because I think that's probably where the vast majority of people sit.

01:00:20.000 Again, you may be left or right off center, but the extreme ends probably doesn't represent the vast majority of anyone.

01:00:28.000 It's also totally uninteresting.

01:00:30.000 And I know you spend a lot of time in this world as I do, Don.

01:00:33.000 And it just, it's so boring to have the black and white take.

01:00:36.000 I mean, it's way more interesting to actually have a real conversation about it.

01:00:39.000 But Charlie also, he'd remarkable political instincts.

01:00:43.000 And again, he was a pro-Israel person overall.

01:00:46.000 Yes.

01:00:47.000 But he knew his audience and he knew if there was any war that Donald Trump was involved in or started or peripherally involved in that involved Israel and Americans lost lives, that would be completely devastating to Donald Trump's coalition.

01:01:02.000 And he was making that message clear without openly saying that, like flat out, this is a real thing.

01:01:07.000 But he knew that.

01:01:08.000 And of course, he's right about that.

01:01:10.000 And so I say this as someone who loves Israel and would love for Israel to succeed and to be around.

01:01:15.000 And I say that just so you understand where I'm coming from on this.

01:01:17.000 Yeah, I agree with you 100%.

01:01:20.000 But if we go to a war and it's perceived in the public as on Israel's behalf, then there really is a major threat to MAGA.

01:01:28.000 And I think Charlie was aware of that.

01:01:29.000 And I think that that's, it's a shame that he can't speak for himself.

01:01:31.000 It just is among all the things.

01:01:33.000 And we as a conservative movement, we cannot get suckered into getting divided because of this, because then the terrorists win.

01:01:42.000 And it's just so important to understand this is that Charlie was a uniter in this movement, other than your father, the number one uniter that we've got.

01:01:49.000 And I just think that's important that we consider that when we're having these discussions.

01:01:53.000 Alex, as we look to the end of the year and beyond, what are some of the other big stories that you're keeping your eye on?

01:01:59.000 I mean, you guys at Breitbart, you've certainly been all over that for the last decade.

01:02:04.000 You guys get it.

01:02:05.000 It was great watching sort of some of the mainstream media watch Matt Boyle interview JD Vance at there.

01:02:12.000 I mean, you're really, you've, you know, I don't want to say you've come a long way.

01:02:16.000 I think you've always been there, but I think you're actually getting some of that recognition as being thought leaders.

01:02:22.000 What are some of the stories out there that you see sort of brewing that perhaps we're not paying attention to yet?

01:02:26.000 Yeah, it was really interesting because we had this great event with JD in Washington a couple of weeks ago.

01:02:31.000 And just we got all these big corporate sponsors who wouldn't have touched us with a 10-foot poll eight years ago for no good reason.

01:02:39.000 Just because the left bullied them and pressured them that you wouldn't want to have your brands associated with extremely popular MAGA media because we're MAGA.

01:02:47.000 And it's the, and then now that that era is over, I just thank God.

01:02:50.000 And because it helps our country, it's the, it helps our country if people are understanding that the millions upon millions of people who consume our content every day are real vital Americans and they vote and they make money and they have businesses and they deserve to be spoken to.

01:03:07.000 And we're by far the most accurate outlet on the internet because our standards are, we get policed by everyone.

01:03:13.000 So anytime we make a mistake.

01:03:14.000 You have no choice, right?

01:03:15.000 When the other guys get it wrong, no one's going to pounce.

01:03:17.000 You get it wrong and literally everyone will pounce.

01:03:20.000 Yeah, thank you.

01:03:21.000 And you've been such a booster of us, Don.

01:03:22.000 It means the world to us.

01:03:24.000 And I share with the team every time you say something nice.

01:03:26.000 So thank you.

01:03:27.000 But it is not just, you know, it's our audience.

01:03:31.000 It's our audience runs skeptical.

01:03:33.000 So if we make a mistake, they'll tell us.

01:03:35.000 And then the establishment media, and then we're high, we're high-integrity people anyway.

01:03:39.000 So it just feels great.

01:03:40.000 But I'll tell you that the midterms are huge because we have a binary here.

01:03:44.000 We have President Trump is able to spend the last two years of his administration governing or fending off impeachment baloney.

01:03:53.000 And if you think that that is preferable and you're unhappy with certain parts of whatever the agenda is and what got prioritized, what and when I understand I've been there.

01:04:03.000 I wanted your dad to put immigration first in the first term. 0.96

01:04:08.000 Healthcare came first.

01:04:09.000 It didn't work out.

01:04:10.000 I didn't like that.

01:04:11.000 Doesn't matter.

01:04:12.000 It doesn't matter.

01:04:13.000 You got to be grown-ups.

01:04:13.000 You got to be adults here.

01:04:14.000 We can't give the code.

01:04:15.000 It's like business.

01:04:16.000 You don't get everything that you want.

01:04:17.000 I mean, you got to take those incremental gains.

01:04:19.000 And that's what the left is really good about.

01:04:21.000 They're like, well, we got 51% of what we want.

01:04:23.000 We're going forward.

01:04:23.000 We're not, you know, we'll have 99% of what we need and someone will blow it because, you know, about the 1% that no one cares about.

01:04:30.000 That said, I would love to give all the various elements of the coalition something they want.

01:04:36.000 Try to undo the Epstein mess up, which was obviously the worst part of the administration so far, the way that was rolled out.

01:04:44.000 It'd be great to get some new investigations going, get people held accountable.

01:04:48.000 I think the base would love that.

01:04:50.000 But just and the affordability messaging is real also, because things are going simultaneously better than people are seeing with potential on the way for things, which is, here's the point.

01:05:03.000 This is partially the fact that the fake news media are liars, but we have to fight through that noise and we need to chart out a narrative about what's going on.

01:05:12.000 And where things are not going well, we need to start correcting it.

01:05:16.000 If we feel like inflation is still too high, if we feel like housing prices are too high, steps need to be taken in order to try to get those reined in in the next year.

01:05:26.000 And so if we answer on the affordability issue and get people fired up, I think 2026 is going to be an amazing year.

01:05:32.000 And if not, then we could be in a march towards something that could be pretty dark because we don't want to waste the last few years of Trump's administration unless we can somehow pull off away for another four years, which I'm open-minded, but I haven't seen it yet.

01:05:45.000 You never know.

01:05:46.000 You never know.

01:05:47.000 But hey, Alex, thank you very much.

01:05:49.000 Everyone, go check out Alex Marlowe's book, Breaking the Law.

01:05:54.000 Follow Breitbart News.

01:05:56.000 You know, just a great source of stuff.

01:05:57.000 Share that kind of stuff with your friends.

01:05:59.000 Alex, great to see you again, as always.

01:06:00.000 And I'm sure we'll be talking again in the not too distant future.

01:06:03.000 Can't wait.

01:06:04.000 Thanks, Don.

01:06:05.000 Be well, buddy.

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