Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - Regime Media Imploding: What’s Next for MSNBC? Plus Michael Knowles & Alex Marlow

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00:08:41.000 Michael, great to be with you.

00:08:43.000 It's been last time we sat down.

00:08:45.000 I was on your show at the RNC. We had a good time.

00:08:47.000 I see you got the cigars there.

00:08:49.000 We still have not had time to actually sit down and have one.

00:08:52.000 We're going to have to change that.

00:08:54.000 I sort of assumed my schedule was going to open up on like November 6th.

00:08:57.000 Turns out it's It's pretty busy until January 20th, so maybe in D.C. around the inauguration.

00:09:04.000 How you doing?

00:09:05.000 That's a good idea.

00:09:06.000 You know, you have had one or two things on your mind, I would say, over the last few weeks.

00:09:11.000 So your cigars are waiting here.

00:09:13.000 They are ready for you.

00:09:14.000 I like the idea.

00:09:15.000 The inauguration is a good time to celebrate, although, as I'm sure you are well aware, I don't think your life is going to loosen up after the inauguration either.

00:09:24.000 I think, you know, the left is going to fight tooth and nail, and the squishes in our own party are going to fight tooth and nail for the foreseeable future.

00:09:32.000 Yeah, I'm not going into government.

00:09:33.000 I've made that very clear.

00:09:34.000 I've always been a business guy.

00:09:35.000 I sort of, you know, spent the last...

00:09:37.000 Nine years campaigning and found different angles.

00:09:41.000 But yeah, going back into the business world, hopefully there'll be time for a cigar.

00:09:45.000 I know it'll get me into a little bit less trouble than sort of the This, which got me into a lot of trouble last week.

00:09:54.000 I'm scrolling through Twitter, and one of the leftist accounts, I guess I was at the SpaceX launch, and like, you know, when the Xen or whatever it is you get in there, you know, when I get Tucker's Alps and stuff like that going, you know, sometimes they get a little crunkled up, so I was adjusting it, and they're like, Don Jr.'s doing coke, and I'm like...

00:10:14.000 You know, I'm looking at like 7 million views of, I'm like, listen, first of all, I am apparently like the most famous coke head who's never even done coke, which is sort of hard to believe, but like according to the left, I'm like, but if I were to ever do it, if I was to do it on live TV, standing in front of Elon and my father, that's a whole new level of I don't give an F. That would be real brazen.

00:10:39.000 That's Hunter level.

00:10:40.000 Yes, you're not quite at that Hunter Biden level of audacity.

00:10:44.000 I like to think of Zins as Diet Coke.

00:10:46.000 You know, it's totally legal.

00:10:50.000 And I've gotten sucked into him a little bit, too.

00:10:53.000 I'm much more of a cigar guy.

00:10:54.000 I really don't have an addictive personality.

00:10:57.000 But I have friends who...

00:10:58.000 Who are really hooked on them.

00:11:00.000 And so, you know, I've had a few here or there every once in a while.

00:11:03.000 And I said to my friend, I said, do those nicotine packets, do they have any side effects?

00:11:08.000 And he said, yeah, the side effects are they make me a better husband and father.

00:11:11.000 You know, they make me really more focused.

00:11:14.000 I said, okay, all right, sounds good.

00:11:15.000 It's funny.

00:11:16.000 During the campaign, you can't just stop for 90 minutes and sit down and have a cigar and enjoy it.

00:11:24.000 I was like, I'll do this to satisfy some of the craving.

00:11:27.000 I was probably having too many cigars before that, and now it's like you do a tin a day, and I'm like, I don't know if I actually solved the problem or not.

00:11:35.000 Two cigars a week, I felt like wasn't really excessive, but I didn't have the time, and now a tin a day of this.

00:11:41.000 But you're right.

00:11:41.000 For me, Yeah, I'm definitely not Hunter Biden.

00:11:45.000 I'm not known, you know, despite sort of the narrative of the media, where I am significantly worse.

00:11:50.000 You know, it is a calming force for me.

00:11:53.000 And, you know, I can be a little high strung.

00:11:55.000 So the happy medium, a little bit of it all.

00:11:57.000 Nicotine is good.

00:11:58.000 Well, think about the media, though.

00:12:00.000 I mean, really, so they lie about you.

00:12:01.000 They lie about everybody.

00:12:03.000 Before the election, they ran a piece.

00:12:06.000 The New York Times had a piece on how election falsehoods were flying in the run up to the election.

00:12:12.000 And they were pressuring YouTube to take us out.

00:12:14.000 And the reason I saw this piece, it's not that I read the New York Times.

00:12:16.000 I don't.

00:12:17.000 It's that my face was right at the center of their banner.

00:12:20.000 So I said, man, what did they get me on?

00:12:22.000 I thought I'd been pretty precise in my commentary.

00:12:24.000 And I looked.

00:12:25.000 They didn't even mention me in the piece.

00:12:28.000 They just put my face there because they wanted to pressure you to take me off.

00:12:33.000 So they got caught lying about FEMA. DW I think broke that story.

00:12:36.000 They caught lying about FEMA discriminating against the Trump supporters.

00:12:39.000 They are lying consistently.

00:12:42.000 About all of the confirmation, you know, the cabinet nominees.

00:12:46.000 And so at a certain point, you have to think, look, we've been complaining about the press for a long time, but, you know, they had a monopoly on the control of information, so we just have to deal with them.

00:12:56.000 But I wonder now, you know, as your father is assembling his team, as maybe Caroline Levitt is looking at the new press briefing room chart, maybe it's time to reorder that chart and maybe take away some people's seats.

00:13:09.000 So we're going to break some news here because I literally had this conversation.

00:13:13.000 I was flying back.

00:13:14.000 I was on the plane, I guess, with my father either.

00:13:18.000 I think it was coming back from the SpaceX launch with Elon last week.

00:13:22.000 And I was sitting there and we were talking about the podcast world and some of our friends and Rogan and guys like you and me to a lesser extent.

00:13:31.000 I wouldn't be able to get a seat.

00:13:32.000 That would be nepotism or whatever the hell.

00:13:34.000 I'd be indicted again.

00:13:37.000 I'd have to do more congressional testimony, so I'll pass.

00:13:40.000 But we actually had this conversation about, like, given how the media has behaved.

00:13:44.000 I mean, you brought up the New York Times.

00:13:46.000 You know, you saw the fact check of Bobby Kennedy talking about the different ingredients in Fruit Loops.

00:13:50.000 And it was like, no, it's exactly the same as Canada, except we use yellow dye number five here instead of, like, orange, like, carrots.

00:13:59.000 And we use, you know, purple dye number...

00:14:01.000 $2,376,000 instead of blueberry extract.

00:14:06.000 And I'm like, that's your fact check?

00:14:09.000 It's the same but for these really toxic chemicals that are banned in dozens of countries.

00:14:15.000 I don't get it.

00:14:16.000 But we had the conversation about opening up the press room to a lot of these independent journalists.

00:14:22.000 If the New York Times has lied, they've been adverse to everything, they're functioning as the marketing arm of the Democrat Party, Right.

00:14:36.000 followings, like it's not like the New York, I mean, how much money are they losing a year?

00:14:39.000 The Washington Post lost 70 to 45 to $70 million.

00:14:43.000 You know, it doesn't seem like they're a great success.

00:14:45.000 So just because they've been there longer, it's like the way Congress functions.

00:14:48.000 Like you get a committee, not because you know anything about banking, but because you've been there longer.

00:14:52.000 And it's like, right.

00:14:53.000 Doesn't seem like a great way to do things.

00:14:55.000 So we've had that conversation.

00:14:56.000 You're like, that's a great idea, Don.

00:14:57.000 I was like, I think we should do this.

00:14:59.000 And so that may be in the works.

00:15:01.000 Let's see.

00:15:01.000 That's going to blow up some heads.

00:15:02.000 So, you know, we'll see.

00:15:03.000 This is great.

00:15:04.000 Because the other thing, they're going to answer you.

00:15:06.000 The left is going to answer you.

00:15:07.000 And they're going to say, well, the reason that you need to keep the New York Times and the Washington Post in there is because they influence people.

00:15:15.000 And the whole point of the White House briefing room is to convey the message of the White House to the American people.

00:15:19.000 And okay, I get it.

00:15:20.000 I get that's why Reagan dealt with them.

00:15:22.000 It's why the Bushes dealt with them.

00:15:23.000 Sure.

00:15:24.000 But this is different.

00:15:25.000 You have the New York Times and the Washington Post themselves admitting that podcasters and streamers are eating their lunch.

00:15:31.000 So at this point, if you consider, I mean, just Rogan alone, Being the pivotal moment in media in the 2024 election.

00:15:40.000 Someone was joking the other day that if you took a time machine back 20 years, you say, hey, I got to warn you about something.

00:15:47.000 A conversation between the host of Fear Factor and the host of The Apprentice is going to be the most pivotal political media moment of the year.

00:15:55.000 You say, wait, what?

00:15:56.000 What was that?

00:15:57.000 But it's true.

00:15:57.000 Those two guys may literally stop World War III, Michael.

00:16:01.000 Who would have had that in their bingo card?

00:16:04.000 But it's true.

00:16:05.000 By the way, I'd love to see Rogan in the White House press briefing.

00:16:08.000 Even rotate guys out, but give them the chance to do that.

00:16:12.000 And if people are being dishonest actors, they should be penalized for that.

00:16:18.000 It's not like the New York Times has ever fact-checked something against the Democrats in a way that was positive for Republicans.

00:16:23.000 It'd be one thing like, hey, we made a mistake.

00:16:26.000 It's a flagrant violation with one intended purpose, and that is to You know, push the Democrat Party agenda.

00:16:34.000 And, like, that doesn't work anymore, so why not?

00:16:36.000 And again, if you were to base it on merit, if you were to base it on reach, if you were to base it on influence, you know, if you took the top 10 podcasts out there, like, they have much more of that than any of those legacy media.

00:16:46.000 And it was last week where I watched MSDNC or MSNBC, depending on which way you want to go, literally, like, panicking on air, being like, how do we get back relevance?

00:16:55.000 Well, I think if you're admitting your irrelevance on air...

00:16:59.000 To your viewership, then why do you belong in that room based on all the prior criteria?

00:17:03.000 Well, I love the journalist who was worrying about this, who said, I don't know that we can be relevant again.

00:17:07.000 His last name is Barnacle, which just totally sums it up, doesn't it?

00:17:11.000 I don't mean to make fun of the guy's name.

00:17:13.000 Scrape that shit off the bottom of the boat, Michael.

00:17:16.000 It's been there a long time.

00:17:18.000 It's not really adding too much.

00:17:20.000 And that is cable news right now.

00:17:22.000 So I think, okay, great.

00:17:23.000 If they're dishonest, if they're not asking questions that are in the interest of the American people, and the American people aren't even paying attention to them, Is this a charity?

00:17:32.000 Is the White House Briefing Room a charity now for journalists who otherwise will be out of work?

00:17:36.000 Sorry, guys.

00:17:37.000 Learn to code.

00:17:38.000 I don't know what to tell you.

00:17:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:17:40.000 It's not like it's the 1950s where there were no other options and that was it.

00:17:43.000 And they were, you know, perhaps honest dealers.

00:17:45.000 Perhaps they had left a tinge for a much longer period of time than we'd like to acknowledge.

00:17:49.000 But Now it's not even close, but maybe that's, you know, I guess we've been going for a bit, but I guess maybe that's where we'd start is talking about that sort of, let's call it, you know, MAGA, you know, America first cultural shift.

00:18:01.000 I've been talking about it a lot.

00:18:02.000 You know, we've been seeing it, whether it's at the NFL or otherwise, Republicans struggled for decades with branding.

00:18:09.000 They struggled with broadening their coalition.

00:18:12.000 And now we've actually done it.

00:18:14.000 What Signs of a cultural shift are you seeing?

00:18:18.000 And more importantly, how do we build and solidify on the stuff that we're witnessing to create, just sort of solidify that trajectory as we move forward as a movement?

00:18:28.000 I saw the cultural shift happening pretty early in 2016. In fact, when the MSG rally happened, I pulled out my OG 2016 MAGA hat, which was the white one with the smaller It was the first run of them.

00:18:43.000 Because I remember thinking at the time, when you guys rolled out that slogan, I thought, I don't want to be accused of hyperbole here.

00:18:51.000 I truly believe this, and I believe it today.

00:18:54.000 This is poetic diction.

00:18:56.000 I mean that in a technical way.

00:18:57.000 This is a use of language that actually cuts through the miasma and the propaganda and reaches people.

00:19:04.000 It's what George Orwell would call a good use of English language in politics.

00:19:08.000 Short, mostly Saxon words that really stir people's heartstrings, that avoid the ideological traps.

00:19:16.000 And that's what your father was doing as early as 2016. It takes a little while sometimes for these things to really seep in.

00:19:22.000 But where am I seeing the cultural shift?

00:19:24.000 You don't need to take my deep interpretation of it.

00:19:28.000 I see it in one in five black guys voting for your father.

00:19:30.000 I see it in 46% of Hispanics.

00:19:32.000 I see it in reportedly 40% of women under the age of 30. I see it obviously in married women.

00:19:37.000 I see it in the popular vote.

00:19:39.000 How about 50% of 18 to 29?

00:19:43.000 That was, to me, I mean, maybe that was the biggest, that I was sort of to my friends over the last six months, I'd say, you know, listen, I... You know, I've been seeing it for a while, and I've been seeing it brewing.

00:19:53.000 But, you know, if you took, like, on a per capita basis, right?

00:19:56.000 So, on a per capita basis, like, I'm taking more selfies with, you know, black men than anyone else.

00:20:03.000 Like, and it's not at a rally.

00:20:04.000 It's like they're showing up for it.

00:20:05.000 It's like, at an airport somewhere randomly, I was like, I saw that.

00:20:08.000 I felt it.

00:20:08.000 It wasn't a one-time anomaly.

00:20:10.000 Like, I was like, this is going to happen.

00:20:13.000 Like, it's going to be a seismic shift.

00:20:14.000 And, you know, you saw the NFL last weekend.

00:20:16.000 You know, guys doing the...

00:20:19.000 The Trump dance, you know, in the end zone, it was like, you know, everyone was there.

00:20:24.000 They were getting there for a while, but there was still a fear of reprisal.

00:20:27.000 There was still a consequence.

00:20:28.000 Now it was like...

00:20:29.000 Flip switched November 5th, 2024. It's okay to love your country.

00:20:36.000 It's okay to be like, yeah, who wouldn't want to make America great again?

00:20:40.000 I mean, you talked about sort of the trap of like this, the simple words.

00:20:43.000 It's like the other trap was like the Democrats being like, we don't want a MAGA. I'm like, you know, you wouldn't want to make America great?

00:20:49.000 Like, I don't understand.

00:20:51.000 I don't know.

00:20:52.000 That's not a winning message.

00:20:54.000 Seems like that's your job, but like you do you.

00:20:56.000 It's fine.

00:20:57.000 Yeah.

00:20:58.000 I saw it even in my...

00:20:59.000 I have liberal family members.

00:21:01.000 My family's pretty politically split.

00:21:03.000 Maybe it's even lean's liberal.

00:21:04.000 And I still have liberal friends from New York, California, wherever.

00:21:08.000 And what I noticed immediately was after the election...

00:21:13.000 They didn't really bring it up.

00:21:15.000 And even if I brought it up, I just kind of floated.

00:21:17.000 I wasn't trying to rub their faces in it, most of them.

00:21:19.000 Yeah, you were.

00:21:20.000 Just a little touch.

00:21:22.000 Just a little bit.

00:21:23.000 Thanksgiving's going to be fun.

00:21:24.000 Thanksgiving's going to be fun.

00:21:26.000 It is going to be, I'm going to be that uncle.

00:21:28.000 I am that uncle, and I can't wait to be that, reprise my role.

00:21:31.000 But I noticed, I was talking to one liberal relative of mine, and he says, you know, He won the popular vote.

00:21:39.000 So there's got to be something.

00:21:40.000 And I thought it's funny because the popular vote really shouldn't matter.

00:21:44.000 And legally, it doesn't matter at all.

00:21:46.000 But at MSG, I was asking around.

00:21:48.000 I said, this was an amazing rally.

00:21:50.000 But why is President Trump wasting time?

00:21:53.000 Well, I didn't say wasting.

00:21:54.000 I said, why is he digressing?

00:21:57.000 I get it's a big show.

00:21:58.000 It's MSG. It's an iconic.

00:21:59.000 Well, he's a New Yorker, right?

00:22:00.000 Like every New Yorker wants to play MSG. So I think there was a component of that.

00:22:03.000 I'm like, this was a bit of a vanity play, Dad.

00:22:05.000 I'm like, what do you know?

00:22:05.000 And he was like, no, no, no.

00:22:06.000 And you're right.

00:22:08.000 Thank you.

00:22:08.000 The answer I heard, and again, this wasn't my, because I said, I was like, this seems like a waste of time, doesn't it?

00:22:13.000 And said, he's making a play for the popular vote.

00:22:16.000 Yeah.

00:22:16.000 That pulls so much off the table, right?

00:22:18.000 Because even if you win, even if the law, even if it's the Constitution, it didn't matter.

00:22:22.000 In 16, it was like, but he lost the, it was like, well, but that's not the game we're playing.

00:22:26.000 Like, if that was the game we're playing, we would have done it differently.

00:22:28.000 But to win both, you pull that soundbite that they've latched onto off of the table, right?

00:22:34.000 They can't utilize it as a, but more Americans wanted Hillary.

00:22:38.000 It's like, That's gone.

00:22:39.000 And so it solidifies the mandate.

00:22:42.000 Totally.

00:22:43.000 It totally does.

00:22:44.000 And even, again, it shouldn't matter that you win one in five black guys.

00:22:47.000 I don't care.

00:22:47.000 It doesn't, you know, what do I care about these things?

00:22:49.000 But it does, because then the racism argument's gone, the sexism argument's gone, even the fact that you do so well among single women, the young people argument's gone.

00:22:57.000 It's just all gone.

00:22:58.000 So, you know, some of the left is just in a circular firing squad.

00:23:03.000 Some of them are saying black guys are sexist and Hispanics are racist and, you know, they kind of play in that game.

00:23:09.000 But some of the other ones...

00:23:10.000 All those people that aren't allowed to be racist and couldn't possibly be racist are now racist.

00:23:16.000 There was a shift.

00:23:17.000 You missed it, but it happened, you know.

00:23:19.000 But then some people like Katie Couric was talking to Jen Psaki and she said, you know, Kamala was a bad candidate.

00:23:27.000 I mean, she didn't use those exact words, but that's what she was saying.

00:23:30.000 And but this is really devastating for them because they told us the whole time they said Kamala is a great candidate.

00:23:35.000 She's historic.

00:23:36.000 She's smart.

00:23:36.000 She's on the money.

00:23:37.000 And then they're saying, yeah, we kind of knew that was fake.

00:23:39.000 And just in the same way that Kamala and the media had told us Biden, he's smarter than ever.

00:23:44.000 He's sharp as we've ever seen him.

00:23:46.000 He's not seen.

00:23:46.000 And then we knew they were lying.

00:23:47.000 So they've been caught in the span of three months.

00:23:50.000 They've been caught lying to us on major issues twice.

00:23:53.000 Well, but they were lying before that, because if you went back six months ago, she was the worst vice president in history.

00:24:00.000 She didn't do anything.

00:24:01.000 She had so many opportunities she didn't take.

00:24:02.000 She's not a particularly good or charismatic speaker.

00:24:06.000 Like, they were saying all of these things.

00:24:08.000 Then it was like...

00:24:09.000 Wait a minute, we don't think Biden can win, so we're going to implement the most democratic coup in the history of, I don't know, whatever they were trying to sell us.

00:24:18.000 I mean, it was like, even Gavin Newsom was kind of like, eh, that's what we were told to say, so we're going with it.

00:24:22.000 I don't know what happened.

00:24:23.000 It was just, just put her there, but like...

00:24:25.000 Super democratic.

00:24:27.000 And then it was like, oh, now she's the greatest thing since the last spread.

00:24:30.000 And I was like, well, how do you, like, I'm like, play the clip.

00:24:33.000 Play the clip.

00:24:33.000 And like, you could kill her with it.

00:24:35.000 And then because she was incapable of doing those things, it just made it so much worse because everyone was like, wait a minute, it's actually right.

00:24:42.000 Like, yeah, she was offered the spot to go on Rogan, but everyone sees like, if she can't handle 20 minutes with Bret Baier asking the same questions that she'd been asked in like the other three interviews she did, it's not like she did a lot, but it's like, I mean, if you failed miserably on the what would you do differently question, you would think you'd have a team of people to be like, okay, here's how we answer that when it inevitably comes back up in every interview we are going to do from here on out.

00:25:09.000 And it was like, it didn't change.

00:25:11.000 There was no thought to it.

00:25:12.000 And it was like, oh, she's just not capable.

00:25:14.000 I was like, please, I will pay for her to go on Rogan.

00:25:16.000 I will give her that platform.

00:25:18.000 Just give her the mic.

00:25:20.000 We should spend our money not doing ads for us, just giving her the mic and letting her speak.

00:25:24.000 Because every time she opens her mouth, she digs her own grave.

00:25:27.000 No, she made the right decision, actually, not to go on Rogan.

00:25:31.000 For her, yes.

00:25:31.000 That was a good tactical decision.

00:25:32.000 Of course.

00:25:33.000 And she lost anyway, but she would have lost by more had she gone on Rogan.

00:25:38.000 You know, she actually did know her own limitations there.

00:25:41.000 And so I think there is a little bit of soul searching going on now, which is good.

00:25:46.000 And that's why Republicans have to press our advantage.

00:25:48.000 And I think your father's doing it very well.

00:25:52.000 The transition broadly has been quite good.

00:25:54.000 Obviously, you know, there are always some misfires that happen every now and again.

00:25:58.000 But I think broadly it's been pretty good because you think about some of the nominations.

00:26:03.000 Before the AG controversy, you saw the one that got all the fire was Pete Hegseth over at Fox.

00:26:10.000 And so they put up Pete Hegseth and the left immediately says he's unqualified.

00:26:16.000 It invited a conversation into how badly their own secretaries of defense have failed.

00:26:22.000 It invited a conversation into how the Pentagon is currently being run.

00:26:26.000 And then I think, you know, the fact that they're coming so hard after Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard, I think is really telling.

00:26:33.000 You're over the target.

00:26:35.000 They're right over the target, and the only guy who has really gotten this in the Democrats, to my mind, is Hakeem Jeffries.

00:26:42.000 He was asked on Meet the Press if Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian asset.

00:26:47.000 This is a fake attack that was made up by Hillary Clinton in 2020. It's been parroted based on Hillary Clinton, who is known for her fake attacks about Russia, by the way.

00:26:55.000 I think you've probably heard a thing or two about that.

00:26:57.000 As a recipient of some of that hatred and millions in legal fees and countless hours of congressional testimony for treason, Yes, I agree.

00:27:05.000 It seems like...

00:27:06.000 Yes.

00:27:07.000 The short answer is you've been around that a little bit.

00:27:09.000 They're still trying it.

00:27:10.000 But Hakeem Jeffries says...

00:27:12.000 I would not characterize her that way.

00:27:14.000 And why not?

00:27:15.000 Because he realizes that most people voted for your father.

00:27:20.000 Huge portions of people across every demographic group voted for your father.

00:27:24.000 And your father took the show on the road.

00:27:26.000 You know, it's not as though he hid the people that he was going to put around him.

00:27:29.000 Tulsi was speaking at those rallies.

00:27:31.000 Bobby Kennedy was speaking at those rallies.

00:27:33.000 Bobby Kennedy brought people over.

00:27:35.000 I think of someone like Zach Levi, the actor in Hollywood.

00:27:37.000 He said, I was a Kennedy guy, now I'm voting for Trump.

00:27:40.000 Tulsi brought people over.

00:27:41.000 And so to say today that Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian stooge or whatever, To say that today after the election is to say the American people are Russian stooges.

00:27:51.000 It's like the principal Skinner meme.

00:27:53.000 You know, is it possible that I'm out of touch?

00:27:55.000 No, the children must be wrong.

00:27:57.000 And that's what the Democrats are saying.

00:27:58.000 Yeah, I'm watching it today.

00:27:59.000 Whether, you know, you brought up Hegseth.

00:28:01.000 I'm seeing, you know, the memes of like Pete Hegseth, who's kept himself in shape, was actually like a warfighter.

00:28:06.000 And then you see it with like Lloyd Austin looking like, you know, Darth Vader with the mask and the thing.

00:28:12.000 And then, you know, like...

00:28:13.000 I don't know.

00:28:13.000 Like, which one do you want fighting your wars?

00:28:15.000 You know, or you juxtapose, you know, Pete Hegseth or even, you know, Tulsi Gabbard, you know, in their military guard versus Admiral Rachel Levine.

00:28:25.000 And you're like, I don't know.

00:28:27.000 And then you juxtapose that even further onto the Pentagon failed yet another audit, seven in a row, unaccounted for billions, not millions, billions of dollars, 260 billion they lost in the last time.

00:28:39.000 They don't even know where it is.

00:28:41.000 I mean, You know, I don't think that these people can really preach from the high horse they're preaching on without opening up themselves to the attacks on the hypocrisy and the insanity that's going on in the military right now.

00:28:53.000 That's right.

00:28:54.000 Well, I forget which one it was, which of the left-wing talking heads said that these nominations are a middle finger to America.

00:29:00.000 And they totally get this wrong.

00:29:01.000 What they don't understand is, it's what they want.

00:29:03.000 The election of your father was a middle finger to the political class.

00:29:07.000 And so if you say, well, I loved Politico's piece when they were going after Pete.

00:29:11.000 They said, look, we spoke to sources in the defense lobbying industry, and they think that Pete's a terrible choice.

00:29:19.000 Like, exactly.

00:29:21.000 Right.

00:29:21.000 That's why.

00:29:23.000 He's a great choice, actually.

00:29:25.000 It's so laughable.

00:29:27.000 I mean, what's great is, you know, and again, hey, I'd love for the Democrats to become normal, and we probably agree on a lot of things to do that, but to me, after being in this sort of battle and being a target for so long, I actually take a lot of satisfaction in watching some of the shows, and I have more fun watching the left-wing shows now, because I have people that you watch them with a straight-faced face, I don't care if you can't afford groceries.

00:29:51.000 Three-year-old children must be able to go through gender-affirming care without parental consent.

00:29:57.000 And I'm like, please keep dying on this hill, for the love of God.

00:29:59.000 Please do it.

00:30:01.000 Because we will actually be a common sense, one-party country that can actually do something good.

00:30:09.000 Because if they keep doing this and they don't even get that no one's on board with this insanity, that's awesome.

00:30:16.000 This is the key, and I think you've already done this very well, and I think this is the key to the White House messaging once everyone's back in office, assuming Biden doesn't blow us all up before then, is common sense.

00:30:28.000 You know, the Italian communist Antonio Gramsci, who is this left-wing theorist who's had a lot of influence on the American left, especially in the 60s and 70s, he said that you can't have a revolution succeed if you lose the common sense.

00:30:41.000 You know, you go to the common people and you say, I've got all these crazy theories for fixing your life.

00:30:46.000 And they'll look at you and they'll tell you to pound sand because they like their lives.

00:30:48.000 So you have to be able to hold on to the common sense.

00:30:51.000 And there have been times in my life when the Republicans did not seem to be in control of the common sense, when Democrats could at least plausibly make that claim.

00:30:59.000 And that is out the window.

00:31:00.000 And to your point, Don, the transing the kids issue is not only a matter of justice, you have to deal with it as a matter of justice, but it's such a political winner because, getting back to that poetic diction, getting back to cutting through the miasma, Because it's so visceral.

00:31:18.000 You just know immediately this is wrong.

00:31:21.000 It isn't true.

00:31:22.000 This is cruel.

00:31:23.000 This is awful.

00:31:23.000 And so, yeah, pin that on them.

00:31:25.000 That's what they're trying to do.

00:31:27.000 And we're just going to be here trying to give people their normal way of life and have common sense.

00:31:32.000 Yeah, one of your colleagues, Mary Margaret Olihan, actually, you know, at The Daily Wire, did a thing on that, you know, talking about that, and she goes back and I guess saw some of my tweets from, like, 2017, where I was, like, talking about, like, the trans women, you know, in sports, and she goes, oh,

00:31:47.000 wow, like, he was a leader on this earlier, like, and I went all in, because in 2017, let's just say Twitter was, you know, 95%, like, radical leftist, and I put up this thing, like, this is insane and ridiculous, like, where are the soccer moms, and it was before it was, like, In every sport, at every level, you know, where they're winning every state championship.

00:32:04.000 It was like, there was one or two, and I still said it's insane.

00:32:07.000 And I knew I was onto something when 95% leftist Twitter was like, oh, I freaking hate Don so much, but like, I'm with him on this.

00:32:16.000 Like, I can't believe I'm agreeing with Don Jr. on anything.

00:32:19.000 He's literally the worst.

00:32:21.000 And it was like, oh, this is a winner.

00:32:23.000 Because if even they in their minds and yet, you know, the trans mafia, you know, at the top was still able to push this and jam it down people's throats.

00:32:32.000 But no one was ever buying it.

00:32:33.000 And I think that was so important that they still went all in despite no one not having any real buy in to get that movement moving forward.

00:32:41.000 Yeah, they're in a real trap on the left because transing the kids is the logical conclusion of their premises.

00:32:48.000 Their premises are that men and women are basically the same and consent is everything, but autonomy is everything, and so kids need to consent even though...

00:32:56.000 We have ages of consent because kids can't consent.

00:32:59.000 That's where they're starting.

00:33:01.000 They're probably not even aware that those are their starting premises, but it leads them inevitably to this position that is not only awful, but is so deeply unpopular.

00:33:10.000 And there's a line from Chesterton who says that the job of progressives is to go on screwing things up, and it's the job of conservatives to make sure that they never get fixed.

00:33:18.000 And unfortunately, you're seeing a little bit of that right now, because right now on an issue that is so clearly a winner and is a symbol of so many other important winning issues, you've got conservatives who want to go squishy, who want to find some middle ground.

00:33:33.000 What, we're only going to remove some of the people's genitals?

00:33:37.000 I mean, it's just so complex.

00:33:38.000 No, there's no middle ground on this one.

00:33:40.000 No.

00:33:40.000 Hey, and I've gotten hell from even conservatives when I say, you know, in your 20s, you want to do something.

00:33:48.000 Honestly, I don't care.

00:33:48.000 I actually said I'm fairly liberal on the issue, and that got me killed because they were like, you're a liberal.

00:33:53.000 I'm like, I don't know.

00:33:54.000 If you're 20-something years old, you want to mutilate your body.

00:33:57.000 Like, I don't care.

00:33:59.000 I don't want to hear about it.

00:34:00.000 I don't want to pay for it and stay the hell away from my kids.

00:34:03.000 You know what?

00:34:04.000 Maybe that's a libertarian view.

00:34:06.000 You know, fine.

00:34:07.000 But it's a common sense and majority voter view.

00:34:10.000 That's for sure.

00:34:11.000 Yeah.

00:34:12.000 There's no question.

00:34:13.000 And even the right was like, how dare you?

00:34:15.000 I'm like, I don't care.

00:34:15.000 They don't want to do that.

00:34:16.000 They want to castrate themselves.

00:34:17.000 Fine with me.

00:34:19.000 One less headache down the road.

00:34:20.000 But that'll get me into trouble, too.

00:34:22.000 But it's true.

00:34:24.000 But they can't grasp that.

00:34:26.000 To take away parental consent, it's like, that kid couldn't buy a pack of cigarettes for 15 more years, but you're going to say that their teacher convinced him to do this, and you're going to literally have government-sanctioned kidnapping to pull them away from their parents because a three-year-old...

00:34:40.000 I'm like...

00:34:41.000 I don't know, guys.

00:34:42.000 Crazy.

00:34:42.000 By the way, there's something, too.

00:34:44.000 You mentioned getting knocked a little bit because your view isn't the most ideologically pure or consistent.

00:34:49.000 There is actually something in democratic politics to recommend that.

00:34:54.000 Aristotle points out that prudence is the paramount political virtue.

00:34:58.000 And most people are not hyper-consistent ideologues.

00:35:02.000 Most people don't spend their time delving into political philosophy.

00:35:06.000 Most people are just kind of living their lives and doing their thing and enjoying their traditions and their families and their communities.

00:35:12.000 So you might say, sure, the totally consistent view is we shouldn't let anybody do this.

00:35:18.000 And here are the 10 reasons why.

00:35:19.000 But you know what?

00:35:20.000 If in the year of our Lord, 2024, you're trying to win an election and you're trying to pull together in the art of inclusion, in the art of the second best, a winning political coalition, how about we take the win, guys?

00:35:32.000 You know what?

00:35:32.000 Let's not clutch defeat from the jaws of victory here.

00:35:35.000 Yeah, you need a little bit of pragmatism, but we're talking about youth, right?

00:35:39.000 So I think one of the areas where we've seen sort of that dramatic shift is on college campuses.

00:35:44.000 You have obviously faced a lot of left-wing agitators.

00:35:48.000 Now, I think you've willingly put yourself in that arena, but you've taken some heat quite a bit on college campuses.

00:35:57.000 But have you noticed a shift in there being more support?

00:36:02.000 Oh, without question.

00:36:04.000 In the early Trump days, 2017 and 2018, the campuses were just filled with these screaming kids.

00:36:13.000 And occasionally, we still get...

00:36:15.000 I was at an event at Pittsburgh, U-Pittsburgh, and some Antifa wackos came up, burned me an effigy on the street, threw an explosive at the building when I went on stage, were arrested because they injured cops.

00:36:26.000 So, you know, those things still happen.

00:36:29.000 There's a real threat of violence.

00:36:30.000 But when you get into the room now...

00:36:32.000 If before the questions were, I don't know, call it 50-50, hostile or supportive or something like that, now I would say you still get a handful of hostile questions, much more support generally, but even the hostile questions seem to be a little bit more inquisitive.

00:36:49.000 There's curiosity now.

00:36:51.000 That's right.

00:36:52.000 There has to be a curiosity because it's not only that their preferred candidate lost, it's that their predictions were proven wrong.

00:36:59.000 Everything about the 2024 election was so bizarre.

00:37:02.000 They thought Biden was going to be the nominee.

00:37:04.000 Then they thought Kamala could win.

00:37:05.000 Then they thought she'd at least win Hispanics or whatever they thought.

00:37:08.000 And these things didn't happen.

00:37:09.000 The popular vote.

00:37:10.000 Certainly the popular vote.

00:37:11.000 And maybe something in the Rust Belt or Sun Belt.

00:37:14.000 And it didn't happen.

00:37:16.000 Anyone who has even a modicum of integrity here has to reconsider their priors.

00:37:21.000 And so I love the Q&A, and I sometimes joke that maybe my ratings would be higher if I were tossing more bombs or using more provocative language, but that's not really my style.

00:37:33.000 I feel confident in my views.

00:37:35.000 I don't think that they're going to stump me on any questions.

00:37:37.000 I want to persuade them.

00:37:39.000 I want to bring them along.

00:37:40.000 And so now I was just at the University of Iowa, a very left-wing campus.

00:37:44.000 And you had a handful of kids who were asking me all sorts of nasty questions.

00:37:48.000 But then very quickly, it turned into sincere questions.

00:37:51.000 And they were actually, I don't even remember the topic, but they were actually trying to figure out, well, hold on, wait.

00:37:56.000 Why do you think this, Michael?

00:37:58.000 And why do it would seem most Americans think these sort of things?

00:38:03.000 I think there has to be a reckoning.

00:38:05.000 Otherwise, the Democrats are going to relegate themselves to minority status permanently.

00:38:09.000 Yeah, and I've seen it.

00:38:10.000 I've done these events on college campuses.

00:38:11.000 I mean, you know, and I saw some of that cultural shift myself.

00:38:14.000 I did a bunch of events, you know, with Turning Point.

00:38:16.000 And I, you know, I went to like a frat party in Arizona at, you know, ASU. And it was like, there's...

00:38:23.000 Like, 15, you know, female coeds in, you know, rather skimpy clothing wearing MAGA hats, and they're like, Donald, will you take a selfie?

00:38:29.000 I'm like, yes, I will, because I'm not all that evangelical.

00:38:32.000 This is right up my alley, and I'm like, you know, I'll get myself in trouble with the conservatives.

00:38:35.000 Again, I usually get myself into trouble, but it was like, that would have never happened.

00:38:38.000 And you're right, now you see some of those things, and I've answered some of these questions myself, and you see it like, wait a minute, I never even realized that was an option.

00:38:49.000 They've been spoon-fed a narrative for so long, they've never even heard a corollary or why we get to this.

00:38:56.000 And once you open that door to why and how, all of a sudden they're like, wait a second, my entire worldview has just been blown up because I've never even had exposure to an alternate viewpoint.

00:39:08.000 Yeah, of course.

00:39:10.000 And part of this also is just the natural swinging of culture.

00:39:14.000 I think your father's been a big part of accelerating that swing back or maybe changing the momentum.

00:39:19.000 But this does happen where you think, I don't know, in the middle of the 2000s, you had the height of fashionable liberalism.

00:39:26.000 You had the rise of Barack Obama.

00:39:27.000 You had the new atheists, those generally insufferable sort of publishing people who, you know, would mock religion.

00:39:35.000 Much of which was a response to historical phenomena.

00:39:38.000 Less than being a natural intellectual development, it was a response to 9-11, a response to scandals, a response to whatever.

00:39:44.000 So that was all hip and cool 20 years ago.

00:39:48.000 And it's been proven really weak.

00:39:50.000 It's been proven shallow.

00:39:52.000 People have become more miserable in self-reported happiness over that time.

00:39:55.000 Our country has obviously frayed and cracked and crumbled.

00:39:59.000 And so when you see someone like J.D. Vance, J.D. Vance converting, actually becoming more religious.

00:40:07.000 Someone like a J.D. Vance, who is becoming more conservative, actually, than the Republican Party has been in a long time.

00:40:14.000 Someone who is intellectual, who is young, who is plugged in.

00:40:19.000 You start to get this sense that there is an actual cultural undercurrent by which being kind of a little more traditional, a little more conservative, that's actually...

00:40:31.000 Kind of hip, man.

00:40:33.000 You know, it's actually kind of cool.

00:40:34.000 Yeah, you're actually cool.

00:40:36.000 It's like, if you're the rebel of the 70s, you're not a liberal, you're actually a conservative.

00:40:41.000 If you're going against the man, you know, the man, if you're going against him, like, you don't stand with everything that corporate media says, everything that corporate, you know, big ag and big tech and big this and your teachers, I'm like...

00:40:55.000 If you're a liberal, you're just agreeing wholeheartedly with the man.

00:40:59.000 And if you actually diverge from that even a little bit, they'll go after you for breaking that narrative.

00:41:05.000 And so the true rebels right now are on the conservative side.

00:41:07.000 Yeah, of course.

00:41:08.000 I mean, you even think we were joking earlier about cigars and the nicotine pagans or whatever.

00:41:13.000 But, you know, the thing about cigarette smoking, I was taught as a kid, cigarette smoking is not cool.

00:41:21.000 And I agree with that.

00:41:22.000 But cigarette smokers just look cool.

00:41:24.000 I don't know what to tell you.

00:41:25.000 They're behind the jam.

00:41:27.000 I'm never getting rid of those images.

00:41:28.000 I'm like, that guy's a badass riding on a horse.

00:41:30.000 I'm like, I don't know.

00:41:31.000 I want to be like that guy.

00:41:31.000 Yeah.

00:41:32.000 Yes.

00:41:32.000 And there is this sense of now, you know, puffing on a cigar is politically incorrect.

00:41:38.000 The left wants you to take a bunch of depression drugs and all sorts of pills and marijuana and stuff.

00:41:45.000 But something like tobacco, a founding crop of America, is considered politically incorrect.

00:41:50.000 You're not allowed to do it.

00:41:51.000 And so, bizarrely, you know, 70 years after the 1950s, you're back in a place where Something like, I'm not focusing on tobacco in its own right, I'm just saying as a symbol of something else, where really a lot of behaviors from the 1950s, wanting to have a family, being a man and thinking women are pretty, and actually preferring the pretty women to, you know, that stuff.

00:42:14.000 We saw it last week, it was Miss Universe, like, it's the first, like, I was like, I put up a tweet, and you know, again, I get hate and I get love, but like, it was like, you know, Elon commented, so I was like, this is good.

00:42:25.000 It's like, wait a minute, like, A woman without a penis who has a reasonable and healthy body mass index finally won a beauty pageant.

00:42:37.000 You didn't have the token.

00:42:39.000 I don't know.

00:42:40.000 It's sort of hard to win Miss Universe if the average man I know wouldn't even look at her at a bar.

00:42:44.000 That's just...

00:42:46.000 That's my break point.

00:42:47.000 And it was like, wow, an objectively attractive woman that didn't check a bunch of boxes and, you know, had female genitalia, like one Miss Universe or whatever pageant it was.

00:42:59.000 Like, I'm like, this is a win!

00:43:00.000 Yes, I... And everyone else came in on it like, wow, that is unusual for us to happen in 2024. We're back.

00:43:06.000 It's crazy.

00:43:07.000 Yeah, we're back.

00:43:07.000 I guess that's the conclusion.

00:43:09.000 I was in a car yesterday driving back from Louisiana to Nashville.

00:43:12.000 My producer's in the front seat.

00:43:14.000 I'm sitting in the back riding, doing work, whatever.

00:43:15.000 And he says to me, wow, Michael, this is crazy.

00:43:19.000 You're not going to believe this.

00:43:20.000 I said, what?

00:43:21.000 He goes, a hot chick won Miss Universe.

00:43:24.000 Stop the presses.

00:43:25.000 Someone you'd actually sleep with if you weren't happily married.

00:43:28.000 You know, like...

00:43:31.000 What is going on?

00:43:32.000 What is happening?

00:43:34.000 It's no, truly, you think like, oh, wow, are we becoming normal again?

00:43:38.000 That's cool.

00:43:39.000 And even, you know, you hear with like Elon coming out, Elon, who in many ways is a very abnormal person.

00:43:45.000 You know, he's this super genius.

00:43:47.000 He's running five of the most exciting companies in the world.

00:43:50.000 He's advising the president.

00:43:51.000 He's catching rocket ships.

00:43:52.000 He's, you know, in many ways, very abnormal.

00:43:54.000 But in some ways, he's very normal, which is he, you know, he posts funny memes and he says people need to have more kids and they need to do normal stuff.

00:44:04.000 And you think, yeah, there's an appetite for that.

00:44:07.000 We have been deprived of that for so long.

00:44:09.000 We've been told by a corrupt political class, led in no small part by the media, the crooked press, We've been told you can't have that if you desire those normal things.

00:44:18.000 You're evil.

00:44:21.000 Something's wrong with you.

00:44:22.000 And finally, that cracks up a little bit.

00:44:24.000 It's like breathing fresh air again.

00:44:26.000 I'm not joking.

00:44:27.000 The day after the election, I thought it was going to drag on for days and days.

00:44:31.000 By the way, me too.

00:44:32.000 I was like, we're going to have weeks of this crap and...

00:44:36.000 And we didn't.

00:44:37.000 I spoke that morning to Marsha Blackburn and I said, Senator, is this going to go two weeks now?

00:44:43.000 She said, no, Michael, we're going to have 270 by midnight.

00:44:46.000 And I said, okay, we'll see about that.

00:44:48.000 And I think Daily Wire called it at 1215, 1220 or something a.m.

00:44:52.000 And I kid you not, in the days that followed, I felt lighter.

00:44:57.000 Not just because of how good the administration could be, though I'm obviously excited about that.

00:45:03.000 It was almost a relief, as though God spared us.

00:45:07.000 This media was just coming at us, you know?

00:45:10.000 Well, you know, I saw it, like, you know, in the two weeks since, you know, I go out to dinner to, you know, with my kids to some local restaurant, and the owner will be like, hey, like...

00:45:21.000 We're expanding.

00:45:22.000 I'm like, what do you mean?

00:45:23.000 like, well, we've been thinking about it for a while, but like, we literally were waiting for those results to decide whether we have to hunker down and just, you know, prepare for incoming fire.

00:45:33.000 Or if we're actually going to take a chance, take a chance to live our American dream, take a chance to be an entrepreneur and grow our business.

00:45:42.000 Like I've heard that conversation and like, and I've been really busy, so I haven't been out all that much, but from like three or four different businesses that I happen to, you know, be in there.

00:45:51.000 So it's really, really a big deal.

00:45:55.000 It is.

00:45:56.000 You can just kind of feel it in the air.

00:45:57.000 And so now what's going to happen for the next month and a half, or more than that, I guess, is you're going to have the Biden administration trying to screw up everything that they possibly can.

00:46:07.000 Well, they're starting World War III, I mean, with these long-range missiles that can target Moscow.

00:46:11.000 I mean, like, you know, they got to...

00:46:12.000 I guess it's the last-ditch favor to their pals at the military-industrial complex, but, you know, hopefully we can fix that.

00:46:18.000 But it's like they're trying to put up obstacles for my father to create world peace.

00:46:23.000 It's like...

00:46:25.000 Again, it's sick.

00:46:29.000 I guess you also see it in corporate America still.

00:46:32.000 I think we have a chance from a governmental perspective now, and I talk a lot about the parallel economy and building our own network to go against what we see as the wokeness in the corporate world.

00:46:44.000 I know Daily Wire is doing something similar.

00:46:48.000 What does that parallel economy mean to you?

00:46:50.000 Because I think you can't just win the government side if If that woke virus is still controlling corporate America, and that's how you get your board seat, and that's how you get by, whether it's ESG or DEI, that doesn't seem to benefit shareholders.

00:47:04.000 What does that mean to you as it relates to the parallel economy?

00:47:08.000 Well, think about all the way back to Barry Goldwater, who lost in a landslide, but some say he didn't really lose.

00:47:14.000 It took 16 years to count the votes, and he helped Reagan win in 1980. Barry Goldwater's book, Conscience of a Conservative, ghostwritten by Brent Bozell, points out A conservative is not merely against monopolistic, tyrannical government power.

00:47:29.000 We're against an undue concentration of power everywhere.

00:47:34.000 You know, if the government's depriving me of my rights, that bothers me.

00:47:37.000 But I don't suddenly feel good because it's a corporation that's depriving me of my rights.

00:47:44.000 Whoever is doing it, I want that to stop.

00:47:46.000 And so you had a lot of corrupt practices in the media, or rather in corporate America, certainly in the social media, which controlled the whole public square and kicked us out, tried to kick us out, but then also just in retail, in regular big corporations.

00:48:00.000 I think a good example would be GARM, the Global Alliance for Responsible Media, was this cartel that brought together corporations all around the world And said, hey, we're going to harness your power and we're going to wield it against any social media site, any platform that allows conservatives to speak their mind.

00:48:16.000 And fortunately, we were able to help break that up.

00:48:19.000 So Garm is no more, but they're going to try to do something else.

00:48:22.000 Elon was very helpful with that as well with Garm.

00:48:24.000 So you need to offer people alternatives.

00:48:27.000 And there's two sides to it.

00:48:29.000 You know, at Daily Wire, we have Jeremy's razors because Harry's razors tried to cancel me one time years ago because I said men and women are different.

00:48:37.000 And so they tried to cancel me and they said that, you know, we had a misalignment of values.

00:48:42.000 They insulted our audience.

00:48:44.000 And so Jeremy, like a complete maniac, spends a year or two and at least a million dollars, at this point millions of dollars, to launch his own competitor, Razor Company, and eat Harry's lunch, which is exactly what happened.

00:48:56.000 Then Hershey's decides to go trans, so Jeremy launched his own chocolate company.

00:49:01.000 There was the she-her...

00:49:04.000 A chocolate bar.

00:49:05.000 And then the he-him.

00:49:07.000 And the he-him, of course, had nuts.

00:49:08.000 So, you know, you had the chocolate company.

00:49:11.000 But then, okay, those are obviously reactive products.

00:49:14.000 We sold a zillion of them.

00:49:15.000 You know, I mean, people really liked it.

00:49:16.000 Good business.

00:49:17.000 But then, for something like Mayflower Cigars, which I look forward to smoking in January with you.

00:49:22.000 I'll be smoking one today, actually.

00:49:24.000 But something with Mayflower, it's not as though we're saying, hey, stop giving your money to woke people.

00:49:30.000 There aren't woke cigar companies.

00:49:32.000 It's saying something different.

00:49:33.000 It's saying, look, this is a good product.

00:49:36.000 We know this is a really high-quality product.

00:49:38.000 It's made with care.

00:49:39.000 It's artistic.

00:49:40.000 There's a story here with Mayflower.

00:49:42.000 Though I'm a little bit swarthy and New Yorker myself, some of my family on my father's side comes from the Mayflower, very waspy.

00:49:50.000 This is part of American history.

00:49:52.000 There's family heritage here.

00:49:53.000 And so it's not just that we're offering you the opportunity to Harm another company.

00:49:58.000 We're offering you a positive vision here.

00:50:00.000 And I think this is something that MAGA has really done, both culturally and in government, which is to say, hey, it's not just that we're going to beat back those woke Democrats, or we're not even just going to cut the government.

00:50:13.000 We're not merely against something.

00:50:15.000 We're for something.

00:50:16.000 We're for safe communities.

00:50:18.000 We're for healthy food.

00:50:20.000 We're for a strong America.

00:50:21.000 We're for the flag and hugging the flag and living in a good country.

00:50:26.000 That's a much more inspiring vision than just attacking someone else.

00:50:30.000 I agree.

00:50:31.000 Well, you know, Michael, thank you so much for joining us.

00:50:34.000 Guys, check out Mayflower Cigars.

00:50:36.000 Follow Michael Knowles.

00:50:37.000 Just great stuff, man.

00:50:39.000 And I definitely am taking you up on that cigar in January.

00:50:42.000 I'm assuming you're going to be at the inauguration.

00:50:43.000 If not, hit me up and we'll make sure that happens.

00:50:46.000 Excellent.

00:50:46.000 Thank you.

00:50:47.000 I'm looking forward to it and I'll make sure I bring a box.

00:50:49.000 Thanks a lot, bud.

00:50:50.000 Be well.

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00:52:13.000 Guys, joining me now, Breitbart News Editor-in-Chief, the one and only, the brilliant, the Alex Marlow.

00:52:20.000 Alex, how are you, buddy?

00:52:21.000 Don, it is so good to see you, and I always appreciate when I get the invite from Don Jr., that always is a good way to get a smile on my face, so I appreciate it.

00:52:28.000 Listen, I'm glad to have you, man.

00:52:29.000 You know, I'm always pushing the stuff at Breitbart.

00:52:33.000 You guys have been on a lot of this movement for quite some time.

00:52:38.000 I mean, I think you saw it and or helped create the window for a lot of what we've been trying to do as well.

00:52:43.000 Yeah, it's interesting how you phrase that because that is true.

00:52:46.000 It's both because we try to be ahead of our audience in a way, but we also try to respond to our audience.

00:52:52.000 And I've got that job as editor-in-chief of Breitbart of trying to decide when we really want to push our audience because we feel like we're ahead.

00:53:01.000 But also to note, sometimes if they're all calling us out that maybe we're on the wrong side of something and we get to take it in.

00:53:07.000 But your dad's rise, we absolutely spotted before anyone else in the media.

00:53:13.000 I'm very proud of that.

00:53:14.000 I will dine out on that for the rest of my life.

00:53:16.000 So I get used to me bragging about that if you haven't heard me before.

00:53:19.000 But also, I still am surprised at how much good can be done because he brought in so many people you did as well to this coalition in this election.

00:53:30.000 Even I couldn't believe how big the coalition got by the end, where you got comedians and UFC fighters and the Trump dances in the end zone and all the podcasters.

00:53:38.000 Who would have seen that?

00:53:39.000 I mean, even I didn't see it getting that big this fast.

00:53:42.000 Yeah, I mean, you guys hit on that.

00:53:44.000 I've been talking about it a ton, but, you know, the notion of the viral Trump dance.

00:53:49.000 I mean, I watched the NFL last weekend.

00:53:51.000 I mean, you know, four or five guys doing the Trump dance in the end zone, you know, but it's a sign, you know, beyond that of a massive shift.

00:53:59.000 These people may have thought about those things.

00:54:01.000 They may have even been on board, but it was like, I can't say anything.

00:54:04.000 You know, there's my Nike contract.

00:54:06.000 No, they've thrown coalition to the wind.

00:54:08.000 They don't care.

00:54:08.000 It's cool.

00:54:10.000 It sort of goes back to, I guess, Andrew Breitbart himself, his own vision about the relationship between politics and culture, that politics is downstream of culture.

00:54:18.000 If you've lost culture, it doesn't matter what your politics are.

00:54:21.000 You're not going to get there.

00:54:22.000 Certainly not, you know, in a democracy or in a republic.

00:54:26.000 What's sort of the big takeaway for you from these election results and maybe the stuff that's happened since then in the cultural phenomenon?

00:54:35.000 Yeah, there's a couple things that I'm looking at that are a big deal.

00:54:38.000 There's one thing that's a compliment to your dad and his team, that he's improved.

00:54:43.000 And this is one thing that I thought I knew Donald Trump very well.

00:54:47.000 I've interviewed him nine or ten times.

00:54:48.000 It's not like I know him as well as even a lot of people in media.

00:54:52.000 There's other people who have spent more time with him.

00:54:53.000 But I've been a student of his, and I felt like I didn't know he had the capacity to improve as much as he did.

00:55:01.000 I thought he was who he is.

00:55:03.000 That's way good enough for me.

00:55:04.000 My favorite politician anyway.

00:55:07.000 But he improved.

00:55:08.000 He made the coalition bigger.

00:55:10.000 He got more disciplined.

00:55:11.000 He didn't make as many mistakes.

00:55:13.000 He seemed to understand when to step on the brakes, when to step on the gas.

00:55:16.000 And that really was a pleasant surprise for me.

00:55:20.000 And if he applies that to this administration, he's going to be a more historical figure than he is now.

00:55:25.000 I think that's really big.

00:55:26.000 I think the failed first assassination attempt, that really opened the floodgates to a whole new demographic of supporter, the obvious one being Musk, who it was very clear after that that he was going to go all in.

00:55:39.000 And that's a huge benefit to Trump.

00:55:42.000 And I don't like everything Musk does or stands for.

00:55:44.000 I'm not a Musk super fan like so many people on X, but he's a cultural force second only to Donald Trump in this world at this moment.

00:55:51.000 And for him to come out the way he has, with all of his charisma and all of his energy, very inspiring.

00:55:58.000 And you know that's going to bring millions of people into this huge tent with a capital Y. Those are really big ones.

00:56:05.000 But I also am heartened by the cabinet picks.

00:56:08.000 I know today is where we're talking about this.

00:56:10.000 There's a lot of cabinet pick drama right now.

00:56:12.000 But the instinct to go with people who are going to be loyal to him Not trying to win over the establishment, not trying to co-opt the middle, not trying to get squishy rhinos.

00:56:21.000 Yet people who will be loyal to Trump and his agenda and are fighters and are not intimidated by the media, those are the people who are going to dismantle the deep state and drain the swamp.

00:56:30.000 It's not going to be the rhino types that unfortunately got way too many spots last time.

00:56:35.000 Yeah, I mean, it's sort of, you know, promises made, promises kept.

00:56:38.000 You know, bringing in Tulsi Gabbard, whether you agree with everything she said or not, it doesn't matter.

00:56:42.000 Like, there's a lot of people that came over because they loved what she had to say, and she's going to have a powerful position.

00:56:46.000 I mean, you know, obviously, RFK Jr., you know, we may not agree with everything.

00:56:50.000 I'm on a policy, but, like, this guy understands what's going on in the world of health.

00:56:55.000 I've gotten, you know, I was a big part of bringing both of those guys in, sort of back-channeling it, keeping away the leaks, and just doing that with my father and them directly.

00:57:01.000 You know, being able to bring in these people from outside of the Republican Party who had incredible value to that, had their own sort of base and following.

00:57:09.000 It's not just one guy, one idea and everything.

00:57:13.000 Like, it's actually a coalition of real people.

00:57:15.000 Musk obviously being the largest of all of them, but now you have like an actual team.

00:57:19.000 And the way I look at it, I'd love to hear your thoughts is, had you won in 2020, It would have been, hey, the same guys in the administration, many of whom were sort of the rhinos that you brought in to appease the establishment or were given to you by those people.

00:57:33.000 This guy is great.

00:57:34.000 Trust me.

00:57:34.000 And you didn't know any better.

00:57:36.000 But now, after nine years of being in the game, four years in office, four years fighting out of that, Now you can actually create a government from scratch of people who will actually go to the mattresses for the mandate that the American people want.

00:57:51.000 Not just what my father wants, but what was told by the American people who were sick of Washington, D.C., go fight for it.

00:57:57.000 Yeah, and by the way, it's very, very, very minor scale, but that's similar to my job at Breitbart.

00:58:02.000 It's not just what I want.

00:58:02.000 It's also what does the audience need?

00:58:04.000 What do they want to get?

00:58:05.000 And I got to honor that.

00:58:06.000 That is part of the gig.

00:58:07.000 And your father feels that clearly with what he's doing, I think, in terms of the policy he's setting forth.

00:58:13.000 But this is really noteworthy that it's probably the worst case scenario for the Democrats, the way it worked out.

00:58:20.000 Is that they had Trump in their hair for four years anyway.

00:58:23.000 They're obsessed with him in the interim.

00:58:25.000 And he's going to be just such a stronger president with such a stronger cabinet this time around.

00:58:31.000 And a clear agenda.

00:58:33.000 I bet the first hundred days are going to be absolute gangbusters.

00:58:36.000 Which, Don, I don't mean to insult the man or you or anyone involved, but the first year of the Trump administration was not your most effective year.

00:58:44.000 It was not a great year.

00:58:45.000 The priorities were not there.

00:58:46.000 I think that's fair.

00:58:47.000 We've got to be objectively honest.

00:58:48.000 We've got to be honest.

00:58:49.000 You know why?

00:58:49.000 Because the first night he had ever slept in Washington, D.C. was in the White House.

00:58:53.000 And you have sort of, at the time, an RNC that wasn't exactly, let's say, welcoming.

00:58:59.000 I remember I was sitting there with Steve Bannon when the Axis Hollywood tapes came out, and Reince Priebus, who was heading the RNC at the time, Well, you can drop out now.

00:59:10.000 And I'm like, we got 10 days left.

00:59:11.000 Like, what do you mean drop out?

00:59:12.000 Like, Steve and I were literally the only people that weren't even considering this idea.

00:59:16.000 I guess my father, too.

00:59:17.000 And it was like, well, you just drop out now.

00:59:19.000 It's going to be the most historic upset ever.

00:59:21.000 And it was like, you can just get out now and just give it to her.

00:59:23.000 And like, it was like, I don't know.

00:59:25.000 But it's different.

00:59:27.000 You just didn't have the knowledge base.

00:59:29.000 And I think there was a lot of benefits from coming in as an outsider.

00:59:32.000 But I think there's also some liability to that in terms of an effective start.

00:59:36.000 Now it's very different.

00:59:38.000 It's way different.

00:59:39.000 If you think about the Lafayette, which has been a big area of obsession for me lately, and if you think about the assassination attempts, and you think about the calling us all Nazis because we won a Madison Square Garden rally, it's all so ridiculous that I honestly think that there was a moment where maybe post-coronavirus,

00:59:59.000 where Trump was under, and post-January the 6th, Where maybe if Trump had won again in 24, then he would not have even been able to field the cabinet that he fielded last time.

01:00:09.000 That has totally changed now.

01:00:11.000 After all these attacks, now I think everyone wants to go and drop everything and come and help Donald Trump.

01:00:17.000 And that should be very intimidating to people who don't share our values because they blew that.

01:00:24.000 Even if he won again, he might have had, you know, he's picking up scraps for people who will help him out because of all the attacks.

01:00:30.000 Now that's not the case.

01:00:32.000 Now he's got Elon freaking Musk right by his side.

01:00:34.000 Yeah, I mean, you at least, you have a voice.

01:00:38.000 You know, Twitter 1.0 versus Twitter 2.0.

01:00:41.000 I mean, I know this because I was on there.

01:00:43.000 I had a huge platform before because of The Apprentice and all these things.

01:00:45.000 So it's like, I knew what was going on.

01:00:47.000 They were like, how dare you say they're shadow banning you?

01:00:49.000 How would you know?

01:00:49.000 I was like, well, yesterday I was getting like an average of 5,000 retweets a post.

01:00:52.000 Today I'm getting...

01:00:53.000 Three.

01:00:54.000 They're like, well, 3,000, that's not big.

01:00:55.000 No, no, like, three.

01:00:56.000 Like, three retweets.

01:00:58.000 Like, not 3,000.

01:00:59.000 Like, something happened.

01:01:01.000 Now it's so obvious all of that's out there.

01:01:04.000 I mean, I guess on a policy front, I know you've highlighted, really, that the second Trump term will be, you know, a deregulation bonanza.

01:01:13.000 We hear a lot about red tape.

01:01:14.000 We see the insanity.

01:01:15.000 We see what's going on at FEMA. We see it across the board.

01:01:18.000 We see the Pentagon, you know, failing its, you know, audits every year.

01:01:22.000 You know, You know, what is, what's the red tape in your mind?

01:01:26.000 Where would you like to see it go?

01:01:28.000 I'd like to see it all go, but where do you want to start and what do you think are the biggest things we got to tackle early?

01:01:32.000 It's so funny you say this because I was just assigning my team.

01:01:35.000 I said, we need to start laying out what it actually looks like.

01:01:39.000 What does deregulation?

01:01:40.000 What does swamp draining look like?

01:01:43.000 The first thing you got to do is you got to put the right people in place and that's happening.

01:01:46.000 You can see this with the, this is why we're getting the Tulsi's and We're getting the Robert Kennedys.

01:01:53.000 That we're getting perhaps Hegseth, maybe if he survives.

01:01:56.000 And the intention of Matt Gaetz, though, he didn't make it.

01:01:59.000 But the whole point is these people would all fearlessly dismantle elements of their own bureaucracy.

01:02:04.000 And tapping the people for cabinet positions who are willing to look under the hood and are willing to hand out pink slips by the pound.

01:02:13.000 Those are the people who we need in those roles.

01:02:16.000 And that's exactly who's getting picked.

01:02:18.000 So I think it starts there.

01:02:21.000 But then it goes beyond that.

01:02:22.000 It goes through these budgets and going through and making people justify their use to the American public.

01:02:30.000 And if it's not justifiable, you leave.

01:02:32.000 Getting people in these posts who are not going to go make money from the sectors that they're supposed to manage.

01:02:37.000 That's why I kind of like the Hegseth pick is out of the box as it is.

01:02:40.000 He's not going to go to Raytheon like Lloyd Austin when he's done.

01:02:44.000 I mean, that's where these guys are going to go.

01:02:45.000 And that's part of why the swamp...

01:02:47.000 You can't ban that from happening.

01:02:48.000 You can't be a general.

01:02:50.000 Absolutely.

01:02:51.000 They're the guys in charge of procurement.

01:02:53.000 They don't negotiate the price on anything because they're like, well, we want the price high so they make more money because that's the inevitable board seat.

01:02:59.000 These are the things we've got to stop, whether you're in Congress, whether you're in the Senate, whether you're a general.

01:03:04.000 If you're in the procurement process, you're signing off on these things, you shouldn't just be able to go into the private sector and profiteer as a kickback for the favors that you were doing by basically costing the American people tons of money.

01:03:15.000 I'll tell you, it's all memes today because we're still having fun and we're having a party online.

01:03:19.000 But the idea of the Doge idea is actually potentially historic because you got a guy, Musk, who, for all things he's done, the thing here that speaks out to me is that he cut 80% of the staff at X or Twitter, whatever you want to call it, and it got more powerful.

01:03:37.000 So, if that doesn't strike the fear of God into all of you in the DOJ and the State Department and things we know are too bloated, that he can't figure out where the fat is and just cut it fearlessly, then it will make recommendations.

01:03:50.000 I mean, he's not going to have the authority to do it on his own, but he'll make the recommendations.

01:03:53.000 That's exactly the approach we need to take.

01:03:55.000 If we couple that, Don, with...

01:03:58.000 Closing down the border, reining in immigration, and tapping our energy sector, which is a concession layup Biden has offered your dad, which is if we start fracking, drilling, opening up oil leases, the price of everything is going to go down.

01:04:12.000 And that is going to make an economic boom that's going to make everything else possible.

01:04:16.000 So, you know, we touched on some of these things, but, you know, what do you think specifically is causing the most level of panic amongst sort of official Washington, you know, with these picks, whether it's, again, Tulsi, RFK, you know, Elon and Vivek on the outside with Doge?

01:04:31.000 Is it just a matter of being exposed?

01:04:33.000 Are they worried about that?

01:04:34.000 Is it once you have that exposure, they can't just wait it out for four years?

01:04:38.000 You see a lot of that, but we'll just wait it out four years and we'll get back to business as usual.

01:04:42.000 Once the American public sees that, It's sort of hard to go back.

01:04:45.000 I mean, they're going to try.

01:04:46.000 Is it that the dollars won't flow to the left-wing allies as easy as you see with the NGOs?

01:04:51.000 Can you take this sort of inside that whole racket?

01:04:54.000 And what do you see is causing this panic?

01:04:57.000 Again, not just from the left, but from, frankly, a lot of the rhinos on the right that are just content with business as usual in Washington.

01:05:05.000 Here's where I would start with this.

01:05:07.000 I would start with the fact that how lost the left looks.

01:05:10.000 You're seeing some people stand up and say, well, maybe men shouldn't be in the women's bathroom, or maybe men shouldn't be beating women at sports, or maybe it's not so bad if you had a border.

01:05:21.000 It's not so bad to have a border.

01:05:22.000 Borders are pretty good.

01:05:22.000 Every other country is a border.

01:05:24.000 We should have one.

01:05:26.000 And they actually enforce it, shockingly.

01:05:28.000 Yeah, right.

01:05:29.000 So, I mean, it's not so bad.

01:05:30.000 They have them.

01:05:31.000 And so...

01:05:33.000 Our issue with the left is that they're not going to do that because their power centers are so committed to this radical ideology that they have with the trans stuff and the open borders and the soft gun crime DAs, that that's where their power centers are.

01:05:47.000 I think a lot of their voters are sick of that stuff, but that's where the money is, that's where the jobs are, and that's where all the influencers are the loudest voices.

01:05:55.000 That's where the activist class is.

01:05:57.000 And so they're going to have to have a civil war the way we had ours.

01:06:00.000 We had our civil war on the right and the populist America first side that your dad leads won.

01:06:05.000 And the rhino side that, you know, the Bush family, the McConnells, they all lost.

01:06:09.000 And so that's where we're at.

01:06:11.000 And so they need to go through that.

01:06:13.000 But that's going to leave them completely lost because the more powerful side has the ideas that have been rejected.

01:06:19.000 And that's why they're freaking out.

01:06:20.000 They're having a total crisis of consciousness.

01:06:23.000 Their identity was completely blown up, and their whole media told them Kamala Harris was going to win, and she was going to win by a lot.

01:06:31.000 She was going to win Iowa by three points.

01:06:33.000 Nostradamus coming out and saying that it's a guarantee.

01:06:36.000 Take it to the bank.

01:06:37.000 Kamala's got this thing.

01:06:38.000 I've never been wrong before.

01:06:39.000 And then what happens?

01:06:40.000 She gets absolutely shellacked in the biggest electoral blowout that we've seen in decades by a Republican.

01:06:47.000 Then what do they do?

01:06:48.000 She's leading their polls, Don, to be the 2028 nominee.

01:06:52.000 I'm so psyched.

01:06:53.000 I'm like, I'm all in on this.

01:06:54.000 Like, watching MSNB, like, I don't care that you can't afford groceries.

01:06:59.000 That's the number one one.

01:07:00.000 It's like, you know, children must be able to go through gender-affirming care without parental consent.

01:07:04.000 When I hear that, and like...

01:07:06.000 On in the media?

01:07:08.000 I mean, and maybe this is the question.

01:07:10.000 It's like, what's the opportunity?

01:07:11.000 You talked about the civil war in the Republican Party.

01:07:14.000 Obviously, the populist side sort of won.

01:07:16.000 The Democrats maybe need that reckoning, but you do need that same reckoning in the media or in the way that people consume media.

01:07:22.000 Is there an opportunity to reshape how Americans engage?

01:07:26.000 And perhaps we're seeing that.

01:07:27.000 What are those conversations like at Breitbart?

01:07:30.000 There's an interesting thing that happened that Mark Barnacle, who comes from a media family, was on MSNBC. And he was saying how he, thrown in the towel, that we're not going to be able to compete with social media because he was reacting to a story in CNBC that X was the most powerful social platform.

01:07:46.000 And we all know the power of podcasts and the geniusness of Trump going on podcasts and going on Twitch and going on stuff like that.

01:07:55.000 People are getting their news from these alternative sources now as default.

01:07:59.000 And that's not going to change because the younger generations aren't cord cutters, Don, like you might be or I might be.

01:08:05.000 They're cord nevers.

01:08:06.000 They never had a cord.

01:08:08.000 They never had cable piped in their home.

01:08:09.000 They're not getting ABC and NBC and CBS. They're not going to pay for the Washington Post.

01:08:14.000 If they're buying the New York Times, it's for recipes.

01:08:17.000 And the recipes aren't even that good.

01:08:19.000 You can get free ones that are better online.

01:08:20.000 They're just not that good.

01:08:21.000 I do this for a living and I don't pay for the firewall at the Washington Post or the New York Times.

01:08:26.000 I refuse to do it because literally it's irrelevant to me.

01:08:28.000 I've had, and you know some of my guys on my team, they're like, hey, they just did a big logo article in one of the, you know, legacy media papers.

01:08:34.000 And they're like, what'd you think of it?

01:08:35.000 It was like, that's behind the paywall.

01:08:37.000 I didn't even read it.

01:08:37.000 Like, they were like, Don, it was two days ago.

01:08:39.000 I was like, I really don't care.

01:08:41.000 It's almost irrelevant.

01:08:43.000 And by the way, same goes for even conservative media.

01:08:45.000 Like, I'd been banned off of Fox for two and a half years.

01:08:48.000 And guess what it did to my...

01:08:50.000 Everything else.

01:08:50.000 Nothing.

01:08:51.000 It didn't actually change anything.

01:08:52.000 Those same people were already following me in five other places.

01:08:55.000 I wasn't on for two and a half years and it didn't change anything for me.

01:08:59.000 Wow, that's amazing, because, you know, I've been basically iced out there, too.

01:09:02.000 Laura Ingraham's been having me on, and Kudlow has me on, but that's it.

01:09:05.000 Yeah, they brought me back a little bit after the convention, because it's sort of like, you know, but, you know, it's fine.

01:09:11.000 I don't have a problem with it, but it was like...

01:09:13.000 Everybody knows.

01:09:13.000 Everyone knows that you're one of them.

01:09:15.000 I'm not trying to just flatter you here, but everyone knows you're one of the most powerful guys inside of Trump's inner circle, so that just seems weird that they wouldn't at least try to get you on their stuff.

01:09:24.000 It just seems very strange to me.

01:09:25.000 Listen, I took adverse positions to, you know, some of their advertisers and some of their board members.

01:09:30.000 And so, you know, it doesn't matter.

01:09:32.000 You know, you could be a voice for the movement.

01:09:33.000 And I'm like looking at everyone else they have on.

01:09:35.000 Well, I got more followers of them on each and every platform.

01:09:37.000 But like, I guess I literally had it.

01:09:39.000 One of the shows had me the day my father was indicted.

01:09:42.000 They're like, we'd love you to talk about it.

01:09:44.000 And then I'm like, okay, I'm waiting for the video van to show up to hop in there and do the studio from the van.

01:09:50.000 And like five minutes before, I'm like, hey guys, the van's not here.

01:09:53.000 They're like, oh yeah, we found someone better to talk about it.

01:09:59.000 I'm like, so you found someone better than me to talk about my father's literal indictment with our businesses in New York that I literally run with my brother.

01:10:09.000 And it was like some journeyman lawyer.

01:10:12.000 I'm like, Yeah, and I'm friendly with some of these people.

01:10:15.000 I won't name names, but like, I was like, he's like, yeah, dude, I'm sorry, dude.

01:10:18.000 We got a call from up high.

01:10:19.000 Like, you know, can't do it.

01:10:21.000 I'm like, okay, that's fair.

01:10:22.000 Like, I get it.

01:10:23.000 We all play that game.

01:10:24.000 Like, I'm going to keep being honest and open.

01:10:26.000 And, you know, obviously I supported Tucker a lot.

01:10:28.000 That probably didn't help the cause.

01:10:30.000 But I'm like, I don't know.

01:10:31.000 He's a pretty good voice in our movement.

01:10:32.000 But it's all power moves.

01:10:34.000 And I don't like this game.

01:10:35.000 I don't like playing them.

01:10:36.000 And I've never...

01:10:37.000 I've tried to avoid them as much as I can as Edward Breitbart.

01:10:40.000 And there's always a lot of incentive to try to power move people.

01:10:43.000 But ultimately, this is a battle of ideas.

01:10:46.000 And the ideas that are resonating with our audience And will hopefully drive your dad's policies in the beginning of this administration.

01:10:54.000 Those are ascendant ideas.

01:10:55.000 And the idea that America is a great place and that we want to have fun again.

01:10:59.000 The outrageousness that they said that we're the joyless ones.

01:11:02.000 They said we're the joyless, they're the joyful ones.

01:11:05.000 Those people are all bummers.

01:11:06.000 They are walking around thinking they're surrounded by closet fascists and Nazis who are garbage.

01:11:11.000 And we're out there doing the Trump dance in the end zone.

01:11:13.000 It's like, we're having But if you look at the, you know, whether it's depression rates, or the people who are on, you know, depression meds, you know, if you look at like the people who are like, disproportionately on that stuff or affected by it, it's, it's the left.

01:11:29.000 Yes.

01:11:29.000 You know, what was it like?

01:11:31.000 I think it was like white suburban women were like the highest medicated class.

01:11:34.000 And those are the people that are like, because they want for nothing, really.

01:11:38.000 They have it pretty easy.

01:11:39.000 So like, I guess, you know, wokeism and virtue signaling is like, it's literally their currency in life.

01:11:44.000 And when that's pulled away from them, it's like, what do we do?

01:11:47.000 But it's interesting to see that.

01:11:49.000 So when I heard this joy, I kept going, it seems like the joy is gone, guys.

01:11:52.000 I don't see a lot of joy.

01:11:55.000 It's gone.

01:11:56.000 They're very confused people.

01:11:57.000 And one thing that's noteworthy about your dad and about your style, about my style, we're trying to have clarity, and sometimes that doesn't mean we're perfect, but we want to communicate with our audience in an authentic way.

01:12:08.000 Kamala, who is a full-time career woman, doesn't have children of her own, they keep shooting her in the kitchen.

01:12:15.000 They keep talking about how good she is at making chicken.

01:12:19.000 We were just told that's not the key to success.

01:12:21.000 The key to success is being a girl boss.

01:12:24.000 But Hillary Clinton really carries hot sauce in her purse.

01:12:27.000 Like, they don't learn.

01:12:29.000 They don't learn.

01:12:30.000 And that's why the blue-collar billionaire theme works so well with your dad, is that he's somehow more relatable, having a totally unrelatable life than Kamala Harris is, who's a total mediocrity.

01:12:42.000 We never liked her.

01:12:43.000 She was always mediocre.

01:12:44.000 She was mediocre in California, where I'm from.

01:12:47.000 She was a mediocre senator whose big thing was trying to take out Brett Kavanaugh and it failed.

01:12:52.000 She did nothing as vice president.

01:12:54.000 Everything in her portfolio went backwards.

01:12:55.000 And then they anointed her without her having to get one vote.

01:12:59.000 And she stunk in the election.

01:13:00.000 She was lazy.

01:13:01.000 She campaigned improperly.

01:13:03.000 She had no good ideas that resonated with the American people.

01:13:05.000 And now they want to nominate her again in 2028.

01:13:08.000 And I say, do it.

01:13:09.000 You got it for it.

01:13:10.000 You got it.

01:13:10.000 The one thing I, you know, and I'm still a baby to this game, but I think I've learned a lot in nine years.

01:13:15.000 The one thing that seems to resonate with people in politics is authenticity.

01:13:19.000 You don't even have to agree with like if you're authentic and real people like, OK, I can like that guy.

01:13:23.000 And if I like that guy, I'll probably vote for him.

01:13:26.000 And and they don't have much of that, if any.

01:13:29.000 You gotta do it.

01:13:29.000 Yeah, they don't have any of it.

01:13:30.000 And this is a huge advantage for us.

01:13:32.000 And that's why we have to run up the score.

01:13:33.000 That's why we've got to drain the swamp now.

01:13:35.000 We've got to get the best people in there that we can.

01:13:37.000 And we've got to send a signal to anyone who's not on board with the Trump agenda, anyone who's going to be interfering with that, that that will not be tolerated at all right now, because that is what the American public voted for.

01:13:49.000 And I've never seen an opportunity this big.

01:13:52.000 This is our biggest opportunity.

01:13:53.000 This is the lowest moment the left has ever had.

01:13:55.000 They have no bench.

01:13:57.000 Nancy Pelosi is going to run again.

01:13:58.000 She's a billion years old.

01:14:00.000 I bet they run Biden again in 2028. I bet it's a Biden-Biden ticket.

01:14:04.000 It's going to be Joe and Hunter.

01:14:06.000 I don't know who's going to be at the top of the ticket, but that's it.

01:14:08.000 Can we make shirts?

01:14:10.000 Can we do the job?

01:14:10.000 You want to get in on it with me?

01:14:11.000 That'd be solid.

01:14:12.000 Well, I mean, yeah, no, it's wild to see all of that.

01:14:17.000 I'm actually seeing, I hadn't even read this yet, my team just gave it to me, that Comcast basically said that they're willing to sell off MSNBC for pennies on the dollar because it's tainting all of NBCUniversal.

01:14:30.000 By the way, My next call as soon as we get off of here is going to be to Elon and be like, hey man, I've got the funniest idea in the world for you.

01:14:39.000 You know, maybe we'll let Alex Marlow of Breitbart run MSDNC. Do you expect any other major sort of media disruptions or major deals with this?

01:14:49.000 Because like I look at CNN, it's all artificial, right?

01:14:52.000 It's artificial.

01:14:54.000 It's not real.

01:14:55.000 The ratings don't justify the level of advertisers.

01:14:57.000 And you know, again, I like them more than, obviously, CNN, but, like, you know, I've talked about it just a few minutes ago.

01:15:03.000 I've had my issues with Fox News and whatever it may be, but you look at the advertisers that are there, and it's like, it's the pocket catheter.

01:15:09.000 And I'm like, well, how...

01:15:10.000 They get 5X the viewership.

01:15:13.000 No, but it's true, right?

01:15:14.000 It's my pillow in the pocket catheter.

01:15:15.000 Like...

01:15:16.000 Recycled on end.

01:15:17.000 And I'm like, but they have five times the viewership of CNN's average show.

01:15:21.000 And yet, you know, there's still sort of, let's call it white shoe, you know, advertisers on these things.

01:15:25.000 It can't be working.

01:15:27.000 There's got to be something.

01:15:27.000 You know, what do you see going on there on the media side?

01:15:30.000 Well, first of all, if you're going to talk to Elon, you should suggest my big idea, which is we need to have the eye catheter, and he can invent it.

01:15:38.000 It's like something that's digitized.

01:15:40.000 I'm not sure I'm into the brain chip yet, but I could do one of my most catheters, just in case.

01:15:44.000 Just have that go for me.

01:15:45.000 Yeah, I've had an interesting conversation with about it.

01:15:46.000 Yeah, I'm like, I'm not sure I want to wire myself that way.

01:15:48.000 I could see downside, but I can also see, you know, for people who've, you know, whether it's, you know, traumatic brain injury, I could see it for something.

01:15:54.000 I'm just like...

01:15:55.000 I'm not there yet.

01:15:57.000 This is really exciting for me because of my first book, Breaking the News, which came out a few years ago and was New York Times bestseller.

01:16:04.000 And I mentioned I won't be getting any more money for it.

01:16:07.000 So the point is that I'm proud of this.

01:16:10.000 One of my main legacies, I think, in the book was pointing out that it's not as simple as liberal media bias.

01:16:15.000 It's actually corporatism is what is driving the media.

01:16:18.000 And these news outlets were really fronts for major mega corporations that operate around the world.

01:16:24.000 And so when you take a company like NBC, Comcast, Universal, it wasn't just that they're reporting from the left.

01:16:30.000 Of course, they're on the left.

01:16:31.000 They're protecting the status quo from a multinational conglomerate that has deep interest in China.

01:16:36.000 So they're not going to be investigating the coronavirus.

01:16:38.000 They're not going to be telling us about that.

01:16:39.000 And they're basically trying to gatekeep to make sure that other voices don't break out and that they can control things at a corporate level.

01:16:47.000 And try to use their mega platform to do that, to get their agendas through across the world.

01:16:52.000 It's actually much more nefarious than these guys just, you know, went to Berkeley and now they're liberals.

01:17:00.000 They're not buying an ad because they're advertising their product.

01:17:03.000 They're buying an ad to prevent anyone in the news from actually investigating The ramifications, the repercussions of said product.

01:17:11.000 You know, it's just like, you can't touch that because that's our biggest guy.

01:17:14.000 Just avoid the topic entirely.

01:17:16.000 So it's a sort of, it's a lie by omission.

01:17:18.000 Exactly right.

01:17:19.000 And that's why independent voices have broken out, because I think there has been this underneath people have been starting to understand that and that there's something even worse than liberal media bias going on.

01:17:29.000 But now what's happened is that with Donald Trump coming in and with the fact that these people lied to their audiences and they lied not just about the election, but if you read the section of that book on MSNBC, particularly Rachel Maddow, Rachel Maddow comes off as a full blown kook the way she dealt with Russia.

01:17:48.000 Everyone says she's so smart, she's a Rhodes Scholar.

01:17:49.000 She comes off as an absolute freak show if you read her actual quotes about the Russian collusion fake nonsense story that was always fake and we always knew it was fake.

01:17:59.000 So what's happened now is NBC, Comcast, Universal, as you point out, Now it's a liability to have NBC because they actually besmirched the whole brand.

01:18:09.000 They disparaged the brand.

01:18:10.000 And so they got to offload it by any means necessary to protect the whole.

01:18:14.000 They got to cut off the part immediately if they're going to save the whole.

01:18:17.000 It's an amputation is what's going on.

01:18:20.000 Yeah, it's incredible to see.

01:18:21.000 And I hope it continues.

01:18:23.000 Because, hey, I'd love there to just be some honesty.

01:18:26.000 And I think both sides are aware of that.

01:18:27.000 But as someone who was sort of the recipient of the Russia, Russia, Russia nonsense for nine years and did a lot of testimony about it and all that stuff, everyone knew it was a lie.

01:18:37.000 Didn't stop them from doing it.

01:18:39.000 There's still people accusing us of that.

01:18:43.000 It didn't matter.

01:18:44.000 And so when news became entertainment, when the advertising was just the way to get them to not You know, I think the American people now see that it's all been a lie.

01:18:56.000 And I think it's actually been great for, you know, guys like yourself, people who would be out of the mainstream, guys like myself in the podcast world or even on social media where, you know, I can get what's going on out there because, A, I have a pretty good access to be a fly on the wall in so many of these things.

01:19:11.000 But, like, I'd see...

01:19:13.000 I saw it when my father was president.

01:19:15.000 Like, I was in the room for some of these things.

01:19:17.000 Like, I saw what happened, and I see the way it's reported and leaked.

01:19:19.000 I'm like, it's not at all what happened, but it didn't matter.

01:19:23.000 They'd scream about it for days on end.

01:19:25.000 And, you know, by the time the correction came out six months later, it didn't matter.

01:19:27.000 They were able to effectively get what they wanted at the time.

01:19:31.000 And so that's why it's so critical to really cut off that power that they had to be able to drive and or create a narrative, because it didn't matter if it was disproven later.

01:19:40.000 They still got what they needed in the moment.

01:19:42.000 Yeah, their incentives were, number one, to protect the corporation, number two, to push their narratives.

01:19:47.000 And that's what they did.

01:19:48.000 You had the right word there with narratives.

01:19:49.000 I mean, that's it.

01:19:50.000 That's what they do.

01:19:51.000 And then truth is not a left-wing value at all.

01:19:54.000 So there's no incentive for them to be truthful at all because the ratings don't...

01:19:58.000 MSNBC maintained higher ratings than CNN did, and MSNBC was even less truthful than CNN. CNN was one hoax after the next, not to justify anything CNN does.

01:20:11.000 But there's at least a few people over there who are probably not entirely partisan.

01:20:16.000 MSNBC, their audience will not tolerate any balance.

01:20:19.000 And this is one thing I'll be watching as some of these networks suggest that we need to have more conservatives on.

01:20:25.000 That's not going to balance.

01:20:27.000 Their audience doesn't want balance.

01:20:29.000 Their audience wants the hysteria.

01:20:33.000 They love the drama.

01:20:35.000 I mean, I definitely know guys, you know, from conservative media, they're like, listen, you know, we want your dad to win, but like, we'll make a lot more money if he doesn't, because it's easier to be screaming, you know, from the minority, right?

01:20:45.000 You can scream about everything that someone's doing wrong much, much better than defend, perhaps, you know, whether it's missteps or mistakes of your guy, if he's, you know, not doing 1000% of what he said he would do.

01:20:57.000 Yeah, and that's, I think, a gross miscalculation.

01:20:59.000 I think your dad's good for everyone's business, no matter what business you're in.

01:21:03.000 After Trump, I think conventional media is over because it's just too boring to cover everything.

01:21:10.000 You need another way.

01:21:11.000 They don't have the personality to actually generate real viewership without the hysteria created by Trump derangement syndrome one way or the other.

01:21:19.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:21:20.000 And I think that that's why we have a historic opportunity, as I keep mentioning, to just run up the score, because we're converting people at a rapid rate.

01:21:26.000 It's so heartening that young men are coming to our side, suburban women are.

01:21:30.000 People just don't care about abortion that much, Don.

01:21:32.000 I mean, they care about it a little bit, and your dad's position is probably the mainstream position in this country, believe it or not.

01:21:38.000 We're not told that, but it probably is.

01:21:40.000 And it just doesn't affect enough people for them to only have a party based on that one issue.

01:21:44.000 And that's all they've got right now.

01:21:46.000 And so this is our chance because we can be the party of good government, of reduced budgets, of fighting corruption, of authenticity, of borders, of a strong American identity, which we haven't had in forever.

01:21:59.000 We've been embarrassed to say we're Americans.

01:22:01.000 We're proud of it.

01:22:02.000 All this is coming back and coming back now.

01:22:05.000 And it's really just I've never been so optimistic, to be honest.

01:22:08.000 Yeah, it just, it feels great right now.

01:22:10.000 And you're right about the abortion issue, because if they were actually intellectually honest, they'd look at what happened.

01:22:14.000 It's like, well, it said back to the States, like, neither Trump nor Kamala Harris actually have the power to do any of the things that you think they're going to do.

01:22:21.000 You know, Kamala Harris can't just wave a magic wand if she won and, like, give you the, you know, the drive-through abortion for your six-year-old, you know, that you want to be able to have the right for, and Trump can't ban it that way.

01:22:34.000 It's sort of like the public is going to speak in the individual states, and so that's like, I don't under, like, they were never even intellectually honest about that argument.

01:22:42.000 It was just hysteria.

01:22:44.000 It always was.

01:22:45.000 It's one of these things where you saw this in the polls, where quite a number of people who listed abortion as a top issue still voted for Trump.

01:22:53.000 So it's people who, they get it.

01:22:55.000 Abortions unfortunately went up after the Dobbs decision, after Roe v.

01:22:58.000 Wade was overturned.

01:23:00.000 And I'm a pro-life person and I don't take the issue lightly, but the reality is that if you want an abortion in this country, you can get it.

01:23:07.000 And it's going to be a little harder for some of you, but that's not the end of the world.

01:23:11.000 It's such a serious issue.

01:23:13.000 We're talking about terminating the life of your young in the womb.

01:23:17.000 You might have to take a plane flight.

01:23:20.000 That's not so much to ask if you must engage in that activity.

01:23:25.000 And a lot of people Are okay with that.

01:23:28.000 That's okay with it.

01:23:29.000 If you really want your abortion, you can get it.

01:23:31.000 And it's a state's right issue.

01:23:32.000 That's Donald Trump's position.

01:23:34.000 And why the Supreme Court needs to justify it or else you can't vote Republican.

01:23:38.000 I understand that logic.

01:23:40.000 And apparently a lot of Americans agree with me.

01:23:43.000 Well, Alex, thank you very much for being here.

01:23:45.000 As always, great talking to you.

01:23:47.000 Guys, check out Alex Marlowe on Breitbart.

01:23:49.000 Check out everything they do.

01:23:51.000 Great stuff.

01:23:52.000 True leader in the movement, both in terms of pushing it as well as sort of seeing what was going on in the zeitgeist.

01:23:58.000 Huge thing.

01:24:00.000 Alex, thank you very much, and I hope you have an awesome Thanksgiving, buddy.

01:24:02.000 Don, could I share that?

01:24:03.000 I got a new show.

01:24:04.000 I'm on Rumble.

01:24:04.000 It's big.

01:24:05.000 Let's go.

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Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - November 25, 2024

Regime Media Imploding: What’s Next for MSNBC? Plus Michael Knowles & Alex Marlow | TRIGGERED Ep.194

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