Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - RESCUING CHILDREN IS TIM BALLARD'S MISSION, "Sound of Freedom" Inspired by His Story | TRIGGERED Ep. 52

00:00:00.000 Welcome to another awesome episode of Trigger.

00:00:02.000 Today is one of the most important episodes we've ever done.

00:00:06.000 We're sitting down with my friend Tim Ballard.

00:00:09.000 He is the subject of the movie The Sound of Freedom.

00:00:14.000 The story about fighting human trafficking.

00:00:17.000 The inspiration for the movie.

00:00:19.000 He's the guy.

00:00:21.000 It's been a huge box office hit.

00:00:24.000 The left is losing their minds for some reason in 2023 apparently.

00:00:29.000 Stopping child sex trafficking is a bad thing, I guess, if you're a Democrat.

00:00:33.000 But Tim founded the group Operation Underground Railroad.

00:00:37.000 He's one of the former CEOs of the Nazarene Fund, which seeks to save oppressed religious minorities in the Middle East.

00:00:44.000 And now he has a new group called the Spear Fund to combat sex trafficking.

00:00:50.000 Tim has spent over a decade working as a special agent for the Department of Homeland Security where he was deployed as an undercover operative and has worked tirelessly to dismantle and take down human trafficking rings.

00:01:04.000 He was also a member of the Public-Private Partnership Advisory Council to end human trafficking under the Trump administration.

00:01:11.000 This is where it started.

00:01:13.000 I met Tim in like 2015 or 2016.

00:01:16.000 He was telling me some of these stories and I

00:01:20.000 I mean, I knew that stuff went on that was bad, I just didn't understand the volume of just how much it is, how terrible it is, you can't even fathom it.

00:01:28.000 And it's one of the few phone calls, we'll get into that probably in the episode, but it's one of the few phone calls I actually made to my father and be like, listen, you guys got to look into this and then...

00:01:37.000 They did and they put him on a council and they actually funded it, the first administration to do that.

00:01:42.000 And then all of a sudden the left went nuts about stopping this stuff.

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00:05:17.000 Guys, now we're gonna go to Tim Ballard.

00:05:20.000 Awesome.

00:05:20.000 Well, guys, super excited about this episode of Triggered because we have someone that's actually making a real difference in the world, right?

00:05:28.000 There's the people that talk, there's the people that talk shit, there's the people that are actually doing it, and the gentleman here to my left, Tim Ballard, is actually a man of action.

00:05:36.000 Tim is the subject of the movie The Sound of Freedom, the movie about human trafficking 0.97

00:05:43.000 Child sex trafficking in Latin America.

00:05:46.000 He's actually the subject of it.

00:05:47.000 It's the movie of, at least, well, a small component of your life story, but a huge one.

00:05:52.000 So, just, it's awesome to have you here, Tim.

00:05:54.000 Yeah, thanks so much, Don.

00:05:55.000 So good to be here, man.

00:05:56.000 Thank you.

00:05:57.000 Well, tell me how did this all start?

00:05:59.000 I mean, you know, you had interesting background, and you sort of end up in this world, you know, that today we're told, apparently, and certainly based on the controversy that we've seen,

00:06:12.000 About the movie that, like, this stuff isn't happening, but it's very clearly happening and it should be a hill to die on for anyone.

00:06:22.000 For anyone that has any shred of decency, any piece of humanity, and yet

00:06:28.000 I mean, they're trying to make it go away.

00:06:30.000 Certainly at least one side of the political spectrum, not mine, is trying to make it go away.

00:06:35.000 But how did you get into this spot?

00:06:39.000 So I spent 12 years between 2002 to 2013.

00:06:43.000 I was a special agent, undercover operator for the Department of Homeland Security.

00:06:47.000 Ten years of that career was on the border, on the Clexico, California, southern border.

00:06:54.000 And what was happening in 2006, the laws changed, allowed U.S.

00:06:58.000 agents to start going overseas in pursuit of American sex tourists.

00:07:02.000 And if we could catch that person engaging in sex with a child, we could hold them accountable as if they committed that crime here.

00:07:08.000 So they send me to an undercover school.

00:07:09.000 I'm infiltrating.

00:07:10.000 I'm going overseas.

00:07:10.000 I speak fluent Spanish.

00:07:12.000 I'm in there pretending to be a pedophile, pretending to be a trafficker. 0.97

00:07:14.000 Jesus. 0.90

00:07:18.000 No, no, no, but just that alone has to take a toll.

00:07:20.000 Oh, I have a million holes burned in my brain, truly.

00:07:25.000 I mean, I've watched thousands of hours of just videos of children, young children, like seven years old, average age, just being horrifically just raped, and it's, yeah, it's my reality now to deal with.

00:07:38.000 I'm sorry you had to actually, I'm just glad someone is doing it, because I could see that being, you know, the toughest person in the world could not get through that and do what you've done.

00:07:47.000 Well thank you, yeah.

00:07:49.000 Every day is a battle, to be honest with you.

00:07:51.000 To find happiness, really.

00:07:53.000 But I won't stop.

00:07:54.000 So anyway, in 2013 I had two cases I was working on.

00:07:59.000 One was in Haiti, about a little boy, a little US citizen of Haitian descent who had been kidnapped in Haiti.

00:08:06.000 And I wanted to go find him as a U.S.

00:08:07.000 agent.

00:08:08.000 Another case in Colombia.

00:08:09.000 I was working in Cartagena as a consultant.

00:08:12.000 I went too far.

00:08:13.000 I went further than I was supposed to go.

00:08:14.000 But at this point in my career, I'm like... See, what's frustrating is child trafficking knows no borders and boundaries.

00:08:20.000 Unfortunately, bureaucracy does.

00:08:22.000 So they send me in and it's like, well, you've got to abide by these rules of engagement.

00:08:25.000 And I'm like, look, when it comes to kids, I get to a point where I don't care.

00:08:29.000 And when they told me to come home because it was outside of jurisdiction or whatever they said, I mean, I broke.

00:08:35.000 And I broke.

00:08:35.000 I called my wife.

00:08:36.000 I said,

00:08:38.000 I can't come home.

00:08:39.000 Can I come home?

00:08:40.000 And I kind of wanted her to say, come home.

00:08:44.000 Because if I stay, that means I quit.

00:08:45.000 The tortures of the den, yeah.

00:08:48.000 I was kind of hoping she'd say, you know we've got six kids, Tim, this is crazy, just come home.

00:08:52.000 You work in a bureaucracy, you've got to accept that.

00:08:54.000 But she didn't.

00:08:55.000 She said, I don't care if we lose everything.

00:08:57.000 I don't care if we lose our house.

00:08:58.000 I don't care if we end up living in a tent, she told me, the second week of December of 2013.

00:09:02.000 In fact, when I fought back, because when she didn't read the line I wanted her to read, which was, come home, I was like, I want to pretend to be valiant, but in reality I was pretty cowardice. 0.99

00:09:11.000 And she's like, you know, keep your ass down there. 1.00

00:09:13.000 Stay down there. 0.99

00:09:14.000 And she said, I will not let you, this is a quote from her, I will not let you jeopardize my salvation, she said, by coming home.

00:09:22.000 It's a big one.

00:09:23.000 Yeah, they're like, whoa!

00:09:25.000 So I'm like, well, that ends the debate, I guess.

00:09:27.000 And so we went down, and what you see in the film is the story.

00:09:31.000 It was what happened after we decided to stay.

00:09:33.000 And it ends up, it results on October 11th of 2014 into the largest rescue operation I've ever been part of.

00:09:41.000 120 women and children were rescued.

00:09:43.000 The Haiti one was also, it's not in the film, but PragerU's actually just aired the docu-series on what happened in Haiti.

00:09:51.000 Well, that's what's interesting.

00:09:52.000 I mean, you did this as part of DHS.

00:09:53.000 The Department of Homeland Security.

00:09:54.000 That's the U.S. 0.63

00:09:55.000 government.

00:10:07.000 How come it seems like they're pretending like this isn't a real issue?

00:10:12.000 It doesn't, it's mind-boggling to me, whether, you know, whether that, you know, and I understand perhaps the politics of the border, but like, it seems like there is, you're not going to get rid of all of it, but there is a way to make it much harder for people to do these horrific things.

00:10:30.000 You know, that's, you know, there's bad people all over the world, there always will be bad people, but

00:10:35.000 They're aware of this thing.

00:10:36.000 They've been aware of it, obviously, for well over a decade.

00:10:39.000 Correct.

00:10:40.000 And yet, it's like, oh, it's an imaginary thing.

00:10:42.000 It's a conspiracy theory.

00:10:45.000 How is that possible?

00:10:46.000 Well, here's what I think is happening.

00:10:49.000 First of all, when the story came out in October of 2014, all the media that's hitting me now

00:10:55.000 Applauded our work.

00:10:56.000 Every one of them.

00:10:57.000 Well, OK, so we met around, I guess, 15.

00:11:00.000 Yeah.

00:11:00.000 A little bit before that.

00:11:01.000 But yeah, that was the interesting part.

00:11:02.000 You were saying, you know, the film was made and you actually got some acclaim, although it wasn't really released, at least not in sort of the mass market sense that it is now.

00:11:12.000 The $180.

00:11:12.000 Yeah.

00:11:13.000 From people, why is that?

00:11:16.000 How could they have a claim for the film, the idea?

00:11:18.000 I mean, who could, you know, as screwed up as we are right now as far as I'm concerned, who could ever be against getting this story out there, trying to stop this horrific practice that's clearly pretty prevalent?

00:11:30.000 Here's what I think happened, and it actually connects to, you helped me get into your dad.

00:11:34.000 Yeah, I did not get involved, in many cases, I don't get the Hunter Biden treatment, right?

00:11:38.000 I got involved twice, in the sense that, you know, one was for Pebble Mine, just an environmental thing, actually, just as a, you know, up in Bristol Bay, I was like, listen, this is a disaster, and they sort of, I guess, took my advice.

00:11:49.000 The other was when we met in Utah, I was like,

00:11:53.000 Wait a minute, like, I understand it's a problem.

00:11:56.000 Yeah.

00:11:56.000 I didn't understand it's a problem.

00:11:59.000 Right.

00:12:00.000 You know, meaning I didn't understand the tens of thousands of people that this is happening to all over the world.

00:12:04.000 And so I just said, hey, you should really sit down with these guys.

00:12:06.000 And then that meeting happened.

00:12:07.000 Yeah.

00:12:10.000 When I, you know, maybe it's like one of the great examples of TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome.

00:12:15.000 Absolutely.

00:12:15.000 He had you in there and they created, I guess they formed a subcommittee.

00:12:20.000 Yes, he put me as chair.

00:12:21.000 Yeah, you were a chair of a person to look into a problem of human and child sex trafficking.

00:12:28.000 Yes.

00:12:29.000 And the media went nuts.

00:12:31.000 How dare he look into this problem?

00:12:34.000 Can we not all agree that this is something that's bad?

00:12:37.000 I don't understand.

00:12:37.000 It's so crazy.

00:12:39.000 I'm in the White House, in the cabinet room, and I'm briefing your father, the President of the United States, on what happens.

00:12:47.000 I spent ten years on that border.

00:12:49.000 And I didn't think what I was saying was political, because it's never been political.

00:12:53.000 How is it political?

00:12:55.000 Even me, and I get it, I'm a political guy now, that's sort of what I do, but how is this issue political?

00:13:02.000 How can you be a human?

00:13:03.000 How can you be a parent and not, like, I can't think of anything worse in the world than that to minors, and yet it's either a cover-up, or it's a problem, or we won't even talk about it, or we're going to protect those who are doing these horrific deeds.

00:13:21.000 What is going on?

00:13:22.000 So here's what I briefed your father, because I was actually applauding what he was doing.

00:13:27.000 Imagine this, Don.

00:13:27.000 Imagine if a child, an American child, is found in New York City, San Diego, pick your city, is found unaccompanied.

00:13:34.000 That kid would be treated like a gem.

00:13:36.000 They'd be protected.

00:13:37.000 No one could just come and take that kid.

00:13:39.000 There'd be background checks, DNA tests, whatever, before that kid is delivered up, right?

00:13:43.000 What your dad was doing was building enforcement, building a wall that would allow or disallow that from ever happening or give those children, those foreign kids, the same opportunity that a lost child would have in New York City.

00:13:54.000 In other words, it would incentivize these traffickers from bringing kids up.

00:14:00.000 When you open the borders, it's the least compassionate thing you can do.

00:14:03.000 So they accuse your dad of being a racist.

00:14:05.000 And, oh, you don't want kids to come in?

00:14:07.000 No, no, he's protecting kids.

00:14:09.000 A wall forces the traffickers to take kids into the one place, their final hope, that an American officer can see and recognize and rescue that child.

00:14:18.000 And so, I texted you earlier today, your dad literally rescued tens of thousands of children because he was pro-border enforcement.

00:14:25.000 And it's like, Clinton built more of the wall than Trump did.

00:14:29.000 That's the truth.

00:14:30.000 Because it wasn't partisan.

00:14:31.000 We all understood that the wall protects... The United States is the number one consumer of child sex material on the planet.

00:14:37.000 So you don't want children in our country unless you've got to protect those kids.

00:14:43.000 As a son, I love hearing that, that he helped save tens of thousands of children from this

00:14:49.000 Disaster.

00:14:50.000 But again, why is it controversial?

00:14:54.000 I get it.

00:14:55.000 I can understand you don't like his policies.

00:14:58.000 The media is going to do whatever they can to run cover for the Democrat.

00:15:01.000 We've seen all people running the country now and it's totally competent.

00:15:09.000 How far do we have to have fallen for this to become a political issue as opposed to just common decency?

00:15:19.000 I'm a father.

00:15:21.000 I'm not quite an over-performer like you with six, but I got five myself.

00:15:25.000 I actually have nine.

00:15:28.000 Six at the time of the film, but we adopted two and one came.

00:15:32.000 I have a lot.

00:15:34.000 Relatively speaking, relative to the rest of the five kids, there's a lot in America today.

00:15:40.000 There's nothing I wouldn't do to keep them safe.

00:15:42.000 There's literally nothing.

00:15:43.000 It doesn't matter.

00:15:46.000 People aren't willing to do that, or they're willing to literally do the opposite.

00:15:49.000 That's right.

00:15:50.000 They're willing to put up roadblocks to prevent those kids from being saved this horrible future.

00:15:56.000 So we've been called a QAnon conspiracy by the Guardian, Rolling Stone, all the leftists.

00:16:00.000 Oh, I saw those articles. 0.93

00:16:01.000 It was ridiculous.

00:16:01.000 What's interesting is the film was written, produced, and filmed and everything before you ever heard of QAnon.

00:16:07.000 So it's impossible, first of all.

00:16:09.000 So why are they doing this?

00:16:10.000 Why are they lying?

00:16:10.000 This is what I think.

00:16:11.000 Because this film is forcing a conversation.

00:16:14.000 85,000 unaccompanied minors brought into the country.

00:16:16.000 But it's more than that.

00:16:17.000 I was with a delegate of congressmen at the Republican Party on the Hill a few weeks ago and they said, why can't we wake up the other side?

00:16:23.000 Why won't they wake up to the fact that 85,000 children

00:16:27.000 Thousands that are five years old are in our country.

00:16:29.000 We don't know where they are.

00:16:30.000 That's sad.

00:16:31.000 It's horrifying.

00:16:32.000 And I said, the problem is you've got to connect it to everything else that the left is doing right now.

00:16:36.000 I've been hunting pedophiles for two decades.

00:16:38.000 I know what they want.

00:16:39.000 You know what they want? 0.99

00:16:40.000 They want to sexualize kids. 1.00

00:16:42.000 They want kids to be given sexualized material. 1.00

00:16:44.000 They want kids to be able to consent to anything and everything because that eventually leads to the ability for them to consent to sex.

00:16:51.000 They want to change pedophiles to the word minor attractive persons.

00:16:54.000 So they've been

00:16:56.000 Listen, you're saying all this is stuff I talk about on the show all the time.

00:16:59.000 They are normalizing this, but there's no other even plausible solution than this is their end.

00:17:08.000 Now, at any other time in the world, you'd be like, how could it possibly be?

00:17:13.000 This is what they're doing.

00:17:14.000 I mean, you see it.

00:17:15.000 I mean, you saw it with Target.

00:17:16.000 Like, we need to do that.

00:17:17.000 Every school kid's library should have hyper-sexualized graphic detail. 1.00

00:17:21.000 Oh, you're banning books? 0.99

00:17:22.000 It's like, no, publish your sick crap wherever you want, but like, it doesn't need to be in a preschool. 0.99

00:17:27.000 Like, why is that the Hilton Don? 1.00

00:17:30.000 You can't have children at the Drag Queen Show. 0.99

00:17:32.000 Well, then we're going to cancel it.

00:17:33.000 I was like, well, I thought it wasn't about sexualizing anything.

00:17:35.000 If you're not trying to get to the children, why are you canceling the show once children are not available to attend?

00:17:43.000 So, how much further?

00:17:47.000 These are main, high-level talking points.

00:17:51.000 You see, if you don't let your children transition, we're going to take them away from you. 1.00

00:17:55.000 That was, I believe, Washington State and Oregon, and voted on, I believe, 100% of the Democrat delegation, I guess, in the state legislature there, voted for these things.

00:18:07.000 How much bigger is the problem than we actually could even fathom? 0.97

00:18:11.000 Because, meaning, if there's 12 people out there that are doing that, it's terrible and they should be, as far as I'm concerned, they should be shot.

00:18:19.000 It's different than if there's tens of thousands, and there has to be tens of thousands of people doing this, if not much more, if they're able to get this level of backup from a mainstream political party.

00:18:33.000 If they're able to get 100% of state's legislature, when you're wondering what other purpose could it be for than that?

00:18:39.000 That's right.

00:18:40.000 Um, it's actually millions, because there's two million children we know, that we believe, I think it's much more than that, uh, forced into commercial sex.

00:18:46.000 That means there's, I don't know, times ten, times I don't know how many more.

00:18:49.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:18:49.000 It's like... Millions of people!

00:18:50.000 How could you cover that across, and that's just in America or across the world?

00:18:53.000 That's across the world.

00:18:54.000 Okay.

00:18:55.000 And I'm not suggesting that the leftists are pedophiles, but I am suggesting that they are making pedophiles salivate because they are implementing the very policies that for decades the pedophile movement has been pushing. 0.99

00:19:06.000 Sexualize kids. 0.99

00:19:07.000 Let them consent. 0.99

00:19:08.000 Call pedophilia minor-attracted persons.

00:19:10.000 All the things that they're pushing, the pedophiles are sitting back going, this is unbelievable.

00:19:14.000 Wisconsin, I think, did the thing where, as an employer, you couldn't discriminate against someone who's like outwardly a pedophile.

00:19:22.000 Like, in employment practices, you can't discriminate against people for color or religion or whatever it may be.

00:19:32.000 You also now can't do it because they're a pedophile?

00:19:35.000 Like, what planet are we on?

00:19:37.000 And this is why.

00:19:38.000 In October 11, 2024, we did this operation that's depicted in the film.

00:19:43.000 The Guardian, Rolling Stone, CBS News, everybody, MSN, they all applauded our work.

00:19:48.000 Eight years later, same outlets.

00:19:50.000 Now it's a fraud because they don't want to have this conversation.

00:19:53.000 They know.

00:19:54.000 That they're running interference?

00:19:55.000 I think they know they're running interference with pedophiles and traffickers and they don't want to kind of sacrifice their agenda by allowing the world to think this is happening.

00:20:03.000 So why is that, though?

00:20:08.000 There's things that I would think, again, as humans,

00:20:12.000 That we could all agree on.

00:20:13.000 Like, this isn't like, you know, hey, tax policy, fine, 50-50.

00:20:17.000 You know, maybe even immigration aspects of it, not the stuff that ties to this, but like, fine.

00:20:23.000 I understand nuance.

00:20:24.000 I can understand the difference.

00:20:25.000 I'm from New York City.

00:20:26.000 Like, I have plenty of friends that were Democrats.

00:20:29.000 But the fact that it's gotten so flagrant

00:20:31.000 Right.

00:20:32.000 How is that possible?

00:20:33.000 Here's what I think.

00:20:34.000 And why?

00:20:34.000 To what end?

00:20:35.000 Isn't it easy to be the guy to be like, hey, I'm from the left, and this is insane, and yet it doesn't seem like I see anyone willing to do it?

00:20:42.000 So one thing, I think, I learned after I met with your father in 2019, and I said all these things, and I didn't think it was partisan.

00:20:50.000 The press was all there, C-SPAN, you know, film, it was all over.

00:20:54.000 I got home that night to my hotel, and my office called and said, Tim, we just lost

00:20:59.000 Over a thousand of our recurring donors.

00:21:02.000 Those are the most important donors.

00:21:03.000 Of course.

00:21:05.000 A thousand have left because you dared to meet with President Trump.

00:21:08.000 And they said, call them.

00:21:09.000 Tell them that you would have said the same thing to Obama or Clinton or Bush.

00:21:12.000 You would have said the same thing.

00:21:14.000 And it took me two seconds to respond and say, I will not call any of them.

00:21:18.000 Because they just told me something very important for me to know.

00:21:21.000 That they hate one man. 0.54

00:21:23.000 They hate one party or one man more than they love rescuing children from a life of rape. 0.67

00:21:29.000 And if that's who you are, I don't want your energy, I don't want your money, I want nothing to do with you.

00:21:33.000 And that's what I realized.

00:21:34.000 You know, because your dad, not only was he enforcing the border, which was rescuing children, you know, he was also putting people on the bench that have rescued how many unborn babies?

00:21:43.000 I mean, he's rescued just multiples of thousands.

00:21:47.000 And he deployed $300 million into the fight against human trafficking.

00:21:50.000 No one had done that before.

00:21:51.000 Yeah, so was that the first sort of

00:21:54.000 Certainly presidential, you know, sort of movement towards actually doing something about it.

00:21:59.000 Meaning, everyone has a soundbite, but that was sort of the first time they actually formed a group to look into the practices and what's going on and try to combat it.

00:22:07.000 I mean, it had always been very bipartisan.

00:22:08.000 Like, I was always happy with every administration as they came in, whether it was Republican or Democrat.

00:22:12.000 It was never an issue.

00:22:14.000 But your father's administration took it to the next level.

00:22:17.000 There's no question about that.

00:22:18.000 No question.

00:22:19.000 In terms of the resources, in terms of speaking about it, standing up for it, you know, the kids on the border.

00:22:25.000 And it was too much for people.

00:22:26.000 And so, because he, I think, because he touched it, it has to be bad.

00:22:30.000 Now.

00:22:31.000 And so now, now the border's bad.

00:22:33.000 And they're willing to let children suffer just to say that what's... But it wasn't even the borders that bad.

00:22:38.000 They literally attacked him for forming

00:22:42.000 ...this council, I guess it was, to look into the issue, right?

00:22:46.000 It wasn't actually an immigration issue, it was purely... It was purely human trafficking.

00:22:49.000 ...human trafficking, like... Yeah.

00:22:51.000 And I was sitting in the white, on the West Wing, I was sitting in the Roosevelt Room in October of 2020, and I was meeting with the National Security Advisor and Kash Patel and others were there, and they had this plan.

00:22:59.000 They had this plan that I was going to be part of that was going to change the entire game of how we were going to attack pedophilia.

00:23:05.000 We were going to go after them through our embassies overseas and find them hurting kids overseas and then track them back to the U.S.

00:23:11.000 We want to rescue thousands.

00:23:12.000 And I was so sad at the decision.

00:23:15.000 It was going to happen, but obviously we know what happened in 2020.

00:23:17.000 And then the next administration, everything disappeared.

00:23:21.000 They hardly talk about it.

00:23:22.000 Now, that's not to say that the agents on the ground, Homeland Security, they're killer.

00:23:26.000 They're amazing.

00:23:26.000 I actually always make that distinction, right?

00:23:30.000 I think FBI leadership is broken, corrupted.

00:23:34.000 I think most of these agencies, once the Washington component, the door kickers, the guys on the ground, the guys like you, these are our people.

00:23:43.000 They're going to lose, if they even say anything remotely, even if it's their job, if you're supportive of Trump.

00:23:50.000 Publicly, then you're out.

00:23:51.000 You'll never go anywhere.

00:23:52.000 If you're a conservative, you saw that with the way they treated people, whether it was with the mandates or whatever.

00:23:56.000 They were sniffing them out and trying to get the guys that were actually doing God's work out of these agencies so that they can continue their rule.

00:24:03.000 I always make the distinction between the bureaucrats and the door kickers. 1.00

00:24:07.000 The door kickers, they come up to me every day talking about how upset they are that their agencies have been corrupted and broken.

00:24:12.000 They can't do their jobs.

00:24:14.000 And they're not allowed to be public.

00:24:16.000 I mean, one of the benefits of leaving and privatizing the Rescue Patrol, I could start talking for the first time.

00:24:21.000 But Border Patrol, I mean, they're furious at Mallorca for what he's doing.

00:24:24.000 I mean, I don't know if you've seen the exchange with Ted Cruz, where he's like, these guys are making $14 million a day on the border, these traffickers, and they're branding the kids.

00:24:34.000 It's like a holocaust. 0.96

00:24:36.000 And Mayorkas doesn't even know.

00:24:38.000 He tells Ted Cruz, I don't know about these bracelets they're putting on the kids to keep their trafficking organized.

00:24:43.000 He doesn't even know he's in charge.

00:24:44.000 Well, but does he know and he's just lying?

00:24:46.000 I do.

00:24:46.000 Meaning, you know, it almost feels like there's like a tacit acceptance.

00:24:51.000 Right, they can't sue anything against it because it would go against the rest of Democrat policy, but like, I mean, you're talking, what are some examples, I mean, obviously the movie, but what are some of the other examples of what's going on there?

00:25:03.000 So people fully understand just how bad this thing is, just how horrific.

00:25:07.000 I know they know.

00:25:08.000 I wish I could say they were totally ignorant to it. 0.66

00:25:10.000 I mean, I sat and testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee. 0.69

00:25:13.000 Then Senator Kamala Harris was on that committee.

00:25:16.000 And all the things I just said, it's obvious.

00:25:19.000 It's 2 plus 2 equals 4.

00:25:20.000 And then I see her tweet.

00:25:21.000 And she talks about Trump's vanity project, the wall.

00:25:24.000 And she talks about how we don't need a wall.

00:25:26.000 Because all the seizures and rescues are happening at the ports of entry.

00:25:29.000 We don't need a wall.

00:25:30.000 And I'm just going, you cannot congratulate the port of entry without simultaneously congratulating the wall, because the wall makes the port of entry.

00:25:37.000 Two plus two equals four, and she doesn't get it? 0.99

00:25:41.000 No, I don't think she's that dumb. 1.00

00:25:43.000 Well, I'd argue that, but I'm just kidding. 0.99

00:25:46.000 I think there's an agenda, right?

00:25:47.000 But there's an agenda, and again, it feels like these people are left...

00:25:52.000 By the wayside.

00:25:53.000 Right?

00:25:53.000 They're just totally forgotten.

00:25:55.000 It's irrelevant because it's going to hurt a political issue.

00:25:57.000 And again, I don't know how we got there even as a society.

00:26:01.000 That, you know, these should be the people that, I mean, the most protected in the world.

00:26:06.000 They should be, like, look at what they've gone through.

00:26:08.000 I can't even fathom.

00:26:09.000 I know in talking to you in the past, there's a reason I made a phone call.

00:26:12.000 Like, again, you know me. 0.96

00:26:13.000 If I get involved, they'll destroy me and try to kill me.

00:26:17.000 I was like, hey, you guys should really talk because this is insane. 0.92

00:26:19.000 And like, I'm not naive.

00:26:22.000 I understand that these problems exist in the world.

00:26:24.000 But in talking to you then in Utah, you know, seven years ago, whatever it was, six, seven years ago.

00:26:30.000 No idea just how bad.

00:26:31.000 Well, it's getting worse.

00:26:34.000 So where is it worst?

00:26:36.000 The United States is getting worse.

00:26:38.000 It used to be more of a, you know, people could almost say that it was foreign.

00:26:41.000 It's not anymore.

00:26:42.000 We're the number one consumers of child sex material in the world, sometimes number one producer.

00:26:47.000 We're in the top three for destination countries for human trafficking because they want to get the kids into our dark markets. 1.00

00:26:53.000 And we're the birthplace of things like manner-attractive persons.

00:26:55.000 We're the birthplace of normalization, of normalizing sex with children. 0.95

00:27:00.000 I mean, the UN just came out with a report three or four months ago saying it's time to consider decriminalizing

00:27:05.000 Sex with children! 1.00

00:27:16.000 I read the stuff, and honestly, there's times I think I'm being punked, but I'm like, this is too serious to actually joke about. 0.96

00:27:23.000 But it's actually happening.

00:27:25.000 It's not a soundbite.

00:27:27.000 It's not QAnon.

00:27:29.000 It's not a conspiracy.

00:27:31.000 They're saying it, and they're saying it out loud.

00:27:35.000 What does it say about the state of society? 0.99

00:27:39.000 What I consider the scum of the earth. 0.98

00:27:40.000 Like I said, a bullet is the only solution as far as I'm concerned for a lot of this stuff. 0.99

00:27:44.000 Like, for these people.

00:27:45.000 And I'll get in trouble for saying that, but guess what?

00:27:47.000 I'm perfectly happy to make that my hill to die on, right?

00:27:51.000 But that they're being emboldened

00:27:54.000 To even be able to push these policies in America in 2023.

00:27:57.000 What does that tell us about the state of the world?

00:28:00.000 It's terrifying.

00:28:01.000 For 20 years, I've been hunting pedophiles, and they've always been closeted. 0.84

00:28:05.000 Rogue. 0.98

00:28:06.000 Everyone, they're a pariahs.

00:28:07.000 Not anymore.

00:28:08.000 I mean, they put out death warrants for me. 0.98

00:28:10.000 The pedophile networks.

00:28:11.000 Because they're emboldened, like you said, by leftist policies. 0.97

00:28:14.000 I want to say, I'm not saying the left is pedophiles, but I'm saying they're ignorant to the fact that their policies are exactly what pedophiles have been peddling. 0.93

00:28:21.000 Their policies are making pedophiles happy, making them salivate, because they're grooming policies. 0.95

00:28:27.000 They're policies that are allowing children to be delivered.

00:28:28.000 You're not allowed to say that.

00:28:30.000 I know.

00:28:30.000 Tim, you're not allowed to say that.

00:28:31.000 No, no, no.

00:28:32.000 Even if, you know, sort of like Wuhan lab leak theory, right?

00:28:35.000 You're not allowed to say that it came from the lab that studies the exact virus in question in the Orange, you know, in the town of Orange, like, because of course it came from there.

00:28:42.000 Right.

00:28:43.000 Just like the stuff that they say, you can't say, you can't say grimoire, like, well, what else could it be?

00:28:48.000 It's clear, it's so, there's no other even remotely plausible reason for some of these policies, and yet they do it.

00:28:56.000 And by the way, I'll give them benefit.

00:28:58.000 Yeah, I'm sure there's some that are ignorant to that. 0.60

00:29:00.000 There's plenty that aren't.

00:29:02.000 Because there's no other solution.

00:29:03.000 There's no other answer to why they'd push them into this thing.

00:29:06.000 No, there's no other answer, and I think what magnifies your point is the fact that a movie called Sound of Freedom, based on a true story, it's totally, in terms of politics, vanilla.

00:29:16.000 There's no politics, there's no QAnon.

00:29:18.000 This should be a 100% issue, but it's not.

00:29:20.000 Anyone who fights that is hiding something else, and the only thing left we can see they're hiding is all of this stuff.

00:29:26.000 There's all this agenda around children, enslaving them in the name of liberating them.

00:29:30.000 That's what they're doing, and we're exposing it.

00:29:32.000 So, how do these groups work in practice?

00:29:35.000 You say that even the U.S.

00:29:37.000 now is becoming a destination, not just for the material, but for actual kids.

00:29:44.000 Right.

00:29:46.000 How does that happen in the United States?

00:29:48.000 How do these networks exist?

00:29:49.000 How do they not get

00:29:52.000 I mean, how do they keep that stuff under wraps that they could perform, you know, the most horrific acts known to man, I guess, and feel comfortable functioning?

00:30:03.000 There are kids in New York City, okay, Homeland Security, my colleagues have worked and I've assisted on cases.

00:30:09.000 These kids show up, they get trafficked in, I mean, they show up and they are, there's appointments made.

00:30:15.000 We're good to go.

00:30:33.000 You know, the previous administration tried to make it a priority, and then the next one has not.

00:30:38.000 There's about five anti-drug agents, this is anecdotally speaking, but about five anti-drug agents to every one anti-child trafficking agent.

00:30:45.000 That needs to flip.

00:30:45.000 And the only way to flip it is make it a priority.

00:30:48.000 And the only way to make it a priority, I think, is to wake up the people, and I hope Sound of Freedom is that tool.

00:30:53.000 Well, listen, I think it's doing that.

00:30:58.000 Again, even a guy like me who's known you for years now and heard the stories, until you actually see it, you don't get it.

00:31:08.000 We talk about the policies and be like, this has to be this, but until you actually hear those stories, I guess if you're just a decent person, you can't even imagine that there's this level of evil

00:31:19.000 In the world, but I guess what you're saying is that level of evil exists, and it exists at a much higher and more prolific rate than we could have ever fathomed.

00:31:26.000 And I do get that.

00:31:26.000 I mean, I was shocked beyond anything I could imagine.

00:31:29.000 The first case I did in 2002, I sat down and I was doing this case and I watched this video.

00:31:35.000 We're good.

00:31:55.000 And I said to myself, I said to my wife, there's no way this is real.

00:31:58.000 So I do get it.

00:31:59.000 I get that decent people can't comprehend it, so it's easier just to pretend it's not happening.

00:32:04.000 But I'm telling you, I think there's been about 6 million people who've showed up in the last 12 days to watch Sound of Freedom, and they're seeing it, and they're willing to see it.

00:32:12.000 And that's what's going to change everything now.

00:32:13.000 I think that's huge.

00:32:15.000 I'm seeing some of the woke corporate media putting up big money movies and they're losing to Sound of Freedom.

00:32:25.000 Now, they're pushing a woke agenda that many would accuse of being, let's call it, groomer-like with their corporate policies and stuff like that.

00:32:35.000 Uh, it's sort of like, you know, Top Gun, right?

00:32:37.000 Well, it was the one pro-America movie of the year, and it beat everything, because that spirit actually still exists in America, so it's there, even if woke corporate is trying to beat it out of us, even if the mainstream media and big tech are trying to beat

00:32:52.000 That decency, that the nature of just America, that patriotism, it's under attack daily.

00:33:02.000 There's a consequence to being a conservative.

00:33:04.000 I'm not saying you are or aren't, but you saw that something that, again, at any other time in history, you'd say, oh, this is a 100% issue, which doesn't exist in politics.

00:33:15.000 We should protect children like this.

00:33:17.000 And it became controversial.

00:33:18.000 Right.

00:33:18.000 Well, I think even Piers Morgan and, you know, these guys who we thought were Bill Maher, they're on our side.

00:33:26.000 You know, they're going, what?

00:33:27.000 Even they're being honest now.

00:33:29.000 Like, what happened?

00:33:30.000 What is going on?

00:33:32.000 But the one thing, I always believed over the last, since 2016 on, that there has to be the silent majority.

00:33:39.000 And they're coming out now.

00:33:41.000 I really think they're coming out. 0.97

00:33:42.000 Because the crazy ones are loud.

00:33:46.000 But the sound ones who love virtue and see things clearly, they're coming out now.

00:33:51.000 I think, I don't want to be overly optimistic or presumptuous, but I feel like Sound of Freedom is doing something.

00:33:57.000 Oh, I think without question.

00:33:58.000 It's waking people up.

00:34:00.000 You can't avoid it.

00:34:02.000 Maybe some of the hate's actually good because you get someone in the middle and be like, well, let me see.

00:34:06.000 I think it's great.

00:34:08.000 Call me QAnon, tell me this story's not true, and I will show you the documentary.

00:34:13.000 We filmed the whole thing.

00:34:15.000 So talk a little bit about your group.

00:34:17.000 Because there's the movie and the story, but you've actually made this your life now.

00:34:22.000 You're doing this.

00:34:23.000 Talk a little bit about your group.

00:34:24.000 By the way, talk about how anyone watching this can find

00:34:28.000 Your group to be able to support, or others that are doing God's work as far as I'm concerned, because it's not about being the dominating group in there.

00:34:36.000 Let's just save these kids. 0.97

00:34:38.000 So I ran two groups.

00:34:40.000 One is Operation Underground Railroad, which I founded, and the Nazarene Fund, founded by Glenn Beck.

00:34:44.000 I've been the CEO for years there.

00:34:45.000 I recently just retired from both for a reason.

00:34:49.000 When Sound of Freedom came out, it used to end with the OUR, the Operation Underground Railroad logo.

00:34:54.000 And I said, and some people at my foundation might not have liked this so much, and I understand that, I said, don't put any logo on this.

00:35:00.000 Because there's many organizations that are doing amazing work, and we're not the solution to every single kid.

00:35:06.000 But there is a solution for every kid, so I recently, before the movie came out, I stepped away, and I'm supporting something called the Spear Fund, the spearfund.org, which supports Operation Underground Railroad,

00:35:17.000 And the Nazarene Fund, but it supports all.

00:35:19.000 It's a scalable solution where, with resources in the Spear Fund.

00:35:23.000 We have a mission, this is what we want, so they'll donate to that, whatever it may be.

00:35:27.000 Whoever's the best rescue for that kid, you're getting the resources, and we'll make sure you get them and help and manage it.

00:35:31.000 The Spear Fund.

00:35:32.000 Thespearfund.org, yeah.

00:35:34.000 So, you know, in your time doing this at those other organizations, how many children do you think you've actually pulled out of this?

00:35:40.000 Oh, we know.

00:35:41.000 I mean, it's over 7,000 women and children in 10 years.

00:35:45.000 About 5,000 arrests that we've assisted on.

00:35:48.000 That's just Operation Underground alone.

00:35:50.000 I love that number because studies show that one pedophile or trafficker can hurt up to 117 kids in a lifetime.

00:35:56.000 So if you put them away in jail, we're upwards of 600,000 kind of rescues that the kids never knew they were rescued, right?

00:36:03.000 It was a preventative rescue.

00:36:04.000 Yeah, they were saved before they were absorbed into that world.

00:36:10.000 I mean, those numbers, and again, of course, those are numbers, who knows how bad, the numbers could be that big of who you actually catch, and I imagine these are sophisticated networks.

00:36:22.000 Again, how do those networks function, that they can get away with it, that someone can bring a child to a hotel room somewhere,

00:36:31.000 And people aren't like, hey, wait a minute, this is a problem.

00:36:33.000 Exactly.

00:36:33.000 So for years, frankly, I mean, these guys have been working with impunity because there's been no laws, no consequences, no one's looking over their shoulders.

00:36:41.000 People are kind of apathetic to it.

00:36:43.000 They go into these high sex zones where prostitution might be legal, but the underbelly of that is not, but no one can detect it, right?

00:36:51.000 And so by going in and doing operations, we're laying a deterrent effect where it's like there is a consequence, right?

00:36:57.000 And because of the things the United States and others have done over the last decade or so to kind of bring it to attention, laws have been better.

00:37:05.000 Laws have been getting better.

00:37:06.000 There's something in the U.S.

00:37:07.000 State Department called the Trafficking in Persons Report, which it's a name and shame.

00:37:10.000 It's rude, but it's effective. 0.93

00:37:12.000 It's like, you suck at this, and if you want grants, you better get better.

00:37:16.000 So those are things that have helped kind of create new laws, and it's being more effective, and we show up and say, hey, let's help you get from Tier 2 to Tier 1, so the U.S.

00:37:25.000 government will like you a little better, and here's how you do it, and we'll coach them into how to do the rescue operations.

00:37:32.000 Are there countries that work with us well on these problems, and who are they, and are there countries that are

00:37:41.000 Sort of, let's call it, you know, tacitly accepting of it.

00:37:44.000 And they just say, hey, listen, there's powerful people and we're getting a kickback and we're just going to turn a blind eye.

00:37:49.000 So I'd say it's yes and no in every one of those countries.

00:37:52.000 It depends who you're working with.

00:37:53.000 So this is why we work with our friends at Homeland Security.

00:37:56.000 We go to the embassy first, even as private groups, and we'll say, look, show us who you trust.

00:38:01.000 Your vetted units, we call them.

00:38:03.000 People that you work with that are foreign nationals.

00:38:06.000 And they make sure that we stay with the groups that have been vetted, U.S.

00:38:10.000 background checks, and we've seen a lot of success when we do it that way.

00:38:14.000 What would you want the key takeaway of the movie to be for people?

00:38:17.000 Do you want them to wake up to the level of the atrocity that's out there?

00:38:23.000 The volume of the atrocity?

00:38:25.000 A little bit of everything?

00:38:25.000 What's the goal there?

00:38:29.000 Well the number one thing, I don't want people to think that this is a story about kids in Columbia.

00:38:35.000 There's a trailer that Angel Studios put out and the backdrop kind of music is My Country Tis of Thee.

00:38:41.000 And I cried when I watched it.

00:38:43.000 Why?

00:38:43.000 Because this is an American problem.

00:38:46.000 And I want people to wake up to the fact that one reason, I mean I'm out of ops now, my face has been everywhere.

00:38:51.000 You're not going to be so good undercover.

00:38:53.000 Right, my undercover days are gone.

00:38:54.000 But I used to believe, I used to believe that maybe I'd be out of a job someday because we rescued all the kids.

00:38:59.000 I now fear that I'd be out of a job someday because all the laws that I need

00:39:04.000 That we need to protect children and prosecute the bad guys are disappearing.

00:39:09.000 Laws of consent.

00:39:10.000 Laws that allow children to consent to whatever, which means they'll be able to consent to sex with an adult. 0.53

00:39:15.000 I mean, you can't say, you can consent to gender mutilation at 13, but not consent to having sex with a 40 year old. 0.69

00:39:21.000 Or a 3. 0.84

00:39:21.000 Yeah! 0.84

00:39:22.000 I mean, it's not 13 anymore, I mean, they're trying to go, I mean, you go to kindergarten and you could come home, you know, literally missing body parts because, you know, your teacher convinced literally the most impressionable mind in the world that they, you know, that, you know, I thought I was an airplane when I was a kid for a couple of days, you know what I mean?

00:39:40.000 Like, you know, my parents were like, oh, you urinated again?

00:39:42.000 Like, relax.

00:39:43.000 Like, they didn't let me jump off a building.

00:39:46.000 Right.

00:39:47.000 But it seems like today,

00:39:50.000 There are, you know, it's almost like, I look at some of the Hollywood people, right?

00:39:57.000 It almost is, like, to me that, like, a trans kid or something like that is, it's like an accessory. 0.99

00:40:04.000 You know, like, you're not cool if you don't have a trans kid.

00:40:07.000 That's right.

00:40:08.000 And again, that may not be part of this issue, but it's sort of the normalization of some of these things, the consent.

00:40:14.000 Yeah, of course my five-year-old knows what he's talking about.

00:40:16.000 It's like, well, that kid couldn't buy a pack of cigarettes for 15 years.

00:40:18.000 What are you talking about?

00:40:19.000 Like, you know, couldn't have a drink, but they could decide to literally chop off body parts based on, you know, and then, you know, trying to get around parental consent.

00:40:30.000 Why is it that you do see

00:40:33.000 We're good.

00:40:49.000 Or this, right?

00:40:50.000 There's multiple levels of that depravity.

00:40:52.000 I think what's happening is the people that are pushing these agendas have been so loud, and the silent majority have been so quiet, that it's almost like, if you don't accept this, you will be cancelled.

00:41:01.000 It's cancelled culture.

00:41:03.000 Like Jim Caviezel, right, who plays me in the film.

00:41:05.000 I mean, this guy will not, he will not bend, he will not compromise, and he doesn't get jobs.

00:41:10.000 Because he's always been who he is, and he says the truth about children, about his faith.

00:41:16.000 And the others, they compromise.

00:41:18.000 Like, oh shoot, it'll be popular for me to say that allowing kids to gender mutilate is A-OK, and a three-year-old can say they're in the wrong body, that's blah.

00:41:28.000 You watch it happening.

00:41:29.000 I mean, they slip up sometimes and say it, then they gotta apologize if they want to get a job.

00:41:33.000 So I think that's what it is, but I think that changes now.

00:41:36.000 I hope it changes with Sound of Freedom.

00:41:38.000 The silent majority, we've been waiting for them to rise up and be so loud that that becomes the normal again.

00:41:44.000 Sanity becomes the normal again.

00:41:46.000 So I'm hoping that we can find that place now.

00:41:52.000 Obviously they can contribute.

00:41:53.000 How do regular people help fight this?

00:41:56.000 Are there ways they can figure out that these networks are happening in their backyards?

00:42:00.000 Are there things that people can look for?

00:42:03.000 Trafficking networks work.

00:42:05.000 How do you catch them?

00:42:07.000 Perhaps without giving a trick.

00:42:08.000 I don't want to make it easier for them to avoid you, but I assume they know because they seem like, as sick as these people are, it does seem like there's a sophisticated network and a lot of money and money moves mountains.

00:42:21.000 So it's all about access points, right?

00:42:22.000 It's about where do predators find kids? 0.79

00:42:25.000 Now, in the old days, even when you and I were kids, it was playgrounds and parks, or a dirty uncle.

00:42:31.000 That's kind of where it ended.

00:42:33.000 Not anymore.

00:42:34.000 There's thousands of access points now, social media and all that that implies.

00:42:40.000 And so, in order to answer that question, I actually executive produced a documentary called It's Happening Right Here.

00:42:47.000 Because people kept saying, it's not happening in America.

00:42:49.000 No, no.

00:42:50.000 It's happening right here.

00:42:51.000 So that film is on Amazon Prime right now, ready for people to watch.

00:42:54.000 And it tells you about those access points.

00:42:56.000 And you have to be aware.

00:42:57.000 Because the problem is, parents, if you're my age or older, you didn't have the internet as a kid.

00:43:02.000 You didn't have access to porn as a kid.

00:43:05.000 As much as we wanted to find it, right?

00:43:06.000 We couldn't find it!

00:43:07.000 I have no idea what you're talking about, Tim.

00:43:10.000 I don't know.

00:43:12.000 Maybe.

00:43:13.000 I can't imagine a 14-year-old with his phone.

00:43:15.000 I can just go like this.

00:43:17.000 So parents don't know what it's like to have that pressure and have that temptation and have those access points.

00:43:23.000 So we've got to expose the access points and have parents be educated to them.

00:43:27.000 Because all the networks, that's what they're using.

00:43:30.000 They've got to get your kid.

00:43:31.000 And they're not going to the playgrounds anymore.

00:43:33.000 So it's going to be a tech-based... It's a tech-based solution.

00:43:36.000 Yeah, and that's the interesting stuff.

00:43:38.000 You saw, you know, what's called, at least, original Twitter.

00:43:41.000 It was like, we have here a report. 0.92

00:43:44.000 That's child porn. 1.00

00:43:45.000 Well, we're not going to remove that. 0.93

00:43:46.000 They'll remove Donald Trump, the President of the United States, from having a Twitter account, but we're not going to get rid of the child porn on it.

00:43:53.000 Again, how is that socially acceptable?

00:43:55.000 Why is tech seemingly... It feels like they could push a button and make a lot of this stuff stop.

00:44:02.000 But they're not.

00:44:04.000 They're not, and they need to.

00:44:05.000 They need to be exposed.

00:44:07.000 I mean, they need to do more.

00:44:09.000 They need to be more proactive.

00:44:11.000 What could they do to be proactive?

00:44:12.000 Because, again, you see it.

00:44:13.000 You've seen the stories about people being like, this is my child.

00:44:17.000 Please take it off.

00:44:18.000 You're distributing.

00:44:19.000 We're not going to do that.

00:44:20.000 I mean, Twitter fought a lawsuit about it when it was clear.

00:44:24.000 I don't know the exact details, but it seemed like there was clear evidence that this was minor.

00:44:28.000 Here's the police case.

00:44:29.000 We're not going to remove that.

00:44:31.000 I was like, wait a minute.

00:44:32.000 I know if I say something that's conservative, they would have doxxed me and written me off.

00:44:38.000 So, how do they become more proactive?

00:44:41.000 How do we force them to become more proactive on the issue?

00:44:43.000 Because it seems like they're pretty laissez-faire.

00:44:45.000 People need to get loud.

00:44:46.000 There's tools that exist.

00:44:48.000 For example, there's a group called Humans Against Trafficking out of San Diego.

00:44:50.000 Amazing.

00:44:51.000 And they created this software that actually, it's using AI technology and it goes in and it finds kids who are being...

00:44:58.000 Groomed!

00:44:59.000 And instantly, based on like, okay, the kid's depressed, the kid's saying things like, my parents hate me, the kid's showing less and less clothing and more and more skin tones, right?

00:45:07.000 It picks it up.

00:45:08.000 It goes into the comments instantly.

00:45:10.000 Oh, I'm a photographer.

00:45:11.000 Can I meet you for a shoot?

00:45:13.000 Interesting.

00:45:15.000 So some of this is not...

00:45:17.000 Like, just a kid that gets picked up and snatched.

00:45:19.000 There's almost an evolution of the kid, and these groups prey on those social weaknesses, on the insecurities.

00:45:26.000 Right.

00:45:26.000 They know exactly what to do.

00:45:27.000 They know exactly who to look for.

00:45:29.000 And then it's just, meet me at the studio, sweetie.

00:45:32.000 And that's it.

00:45:33.000 They're gone.

00:45:34.000 And I know the group, Humans Against Trafficking, they took it to the big tech, and they said, no.

00:45:41.000 Here, for free.

00:45:42.000 I'm not even going to sell it to you.

00:45:43.000 Take it and use it, and now you can help these kids who are vulnerable.

00:45:47.000 Preventative rescues.

00:45:48.000 No, we don't want anything to do with this.

00:45:50.000 So the people have got to get loud.

00:45:51.000 We've got to push.

00:45:52.000 The tools do exist.

00:45:53.000 They're just not willing to put them out there.

00:45:55.000 So, what's your response to Rolling Stone magazine?

00:45:57.000 We touched on it a little bit earlier, but when they're like, the movie gives a false perception of child trafficking.

00:46:03.000 I mean, what's like...

00:46:10.000 Honestly, it's hard to maintain composure.

00:46:13.000 For me especially.

00:46:13.000 You want to take this person and be like, listen.

00:46:17.000 A false perception.

00:46:18.000 The problem is I was there.

00:46:20.000 And many others were there.

00:46:21.000 And we filmed it.

00:46:22.000 A documentary is coming out called Triple Take Angel Studios is putting out.

00:46:25.000 What's it called?

00:46:26.000 Triple Take.

00:46:27.000 Triple take.

00:46:27.000 And it's just like, what do you mean a false perception?

00:46:29.000 What they're doing is they're saying, well, trafficking looks like something different sometimes in other countries.

00:46:33.000 Sure.

00:46:34.000 That's fine.

00:46:34.000 But this is a true story, and this is how it happened, and how it's still happening here.

00:46:40.000 So it's all smoke and mirrors, though.

00:46:41.000 It's all just trying to distract and try to discredit for, I think, like I said, they don't want to have the larger conversation about how their agendas are hurting kids.

00:46:49.000 Yeah.

00:46:51.000 How does the trafficking issue, you mentioned your wife and when she brought up her salvation, how does faith come into it?

00:47:00.000 Because it does feel like there's also the same groups attacking that or the same groups attacking faith.

00:47:05.000 That's right.

00:47:06.000 And decency across that.

00:47:07.000 How does that play in it for you?

00:47:08.000 Everything for me.

00:47:11.000 I wouldn't do any of this if it weren't for the sentiment that my wife expressed to me about her salvation.

00:47:16.000 I believe that as well.

00:47:18.000 And they keep calling this film a faith-based movie, and I wouldn't call it that.

00:47:22.000 I would say that the people behind it certainly are.

00:47:25.000 But this is really just based on a true story.

00:47:28.000 But Jim Caviezel says a line in the film.

00:47:31.000 It's one of my favorite scenes, and he ad-libbed the line.

00:47:33.000 And he leaned across the table before this pedophile.

00:47:36.000 I don't want a spoiler alert. 0.98

00:47:38.000 Leans across the table and looks at this pedophile in the eyes and ad-libs this line and he says, he just says, better that a millstone be hung about your neck and you tossed to the bottom of the sea than that you should hurt one of these little ones, quoting Matthew 18. 0.80

00:47:51.000 And the actor who was playing the pedophile didn't know what to do and they caught him.

00:47:55.000 His reaction is what the final take was and he's like, what?

00:47:59.000 What does that mean?

00:48:00.000 And then Jim kind of smiles at him and the cops come in.

00:48:04.000 But for me, I was so blessed to hear that line because I repeat that line to myself.

00:48:09.000 I am a person of faith.

00:48:10.000 I believe that I know that God, where God stands on this.

00:48:15.000 I mean, this is Jesus speaking violence, but it's righteous violence.

00:48:17.000 This is mafioso.

00:48:18.000 This is cement shoes kind of stuff, right?

00:48:20.000 He's saying better than a millstone and you sink to the sea, right?

00:48:24.000 So I feel like, okay, I can take some courage then.

00:48:28.000 I think Jesus doesn't like this very much.

00:48:31.000 And God doesn't like this, and I feel like I can take courage that I can go to dark places and have that backing.

00:48:36.000 Because if I didn't have that, or I didn't believe that, I'm telling you, I wouldn't do it.

00:48:39.000 I'd be too scared.

00:48:40.000 So is it that the critics don't understand?

00:48:43.000 Is it that they don't want to understand?

00:48:45.000 You know, again, what's missing?

00:48:49.000 I've seen some crazy stuff in the last few years of my life, right?

00:48:53.000 It changed drastically when we got into politics, but like, again, I still can't fathom a point where this isn't a 100% issue.

00:49:01.000 Let's say, minus the people who are actually partaking in it.

00:49:05.000 You know, when things are so irrational, and this might sound extreme, but it's what I believe, I mean, when things are so irrational that we can't make sense of them, why wouldn't you all be a part of this?

00:49:15.000 Again, even eight years ago, Rolling Stone, The Guardian, all those who were attacking us, applauded the very operation.

00:49:20.000 They reported on the October 11, 2014 operation that is the film, that's the real story.

00:49:25.000 They reported on it.

00:49:27.000 Spiritual warfare is real.

00:49:28.000 That's what I believe.

00:49:29.000 And so sometimes you just look at it like this is, this is beyond just the physicality.

00:49:34.000 There's something, there's things we can't even see going on that are influencing good and evil and I feel like that line is getting clearer and clearer and there's less and less middle ground as we move forward right now.

00:49:44.000 Are there people in, you know, in government currently that are helping on this issue?

00:49:49.000 Do you think that the movie will wake up some of those people?

00:49:53.000 To make it a priority, right?

00:49:56.000 Or is that not even going to happen because it's just not a priority?

00:50:01.000 I think it's going to happen.

00:50:02.000 I think everybody, for example, my bias and my connection was Homeland Security Investigations, where I came from.

00:50:09.000 I've never met anyone who's in the leadership that I've had access to who didn't say, we've got to switch this.

00:50:14.000 We can't have five drug agents every anti-trafficking

00:50:17.000 Well, I think they signed

00:50:35.000 What was it, nine?

00:50:37.000 Pieces of, like, bipartisan legislation, you know, at the time on that.

00:50:40.000 You know, what were some of those?

00:50:42.000 Which ones were effective?

00:50:43.000 Which ones could be effective but haven't been implemented?

00:50:46.000 Etc.

00:50:47.000 So that we can, you know, again, a lot of people watched this, hopefully the movie, just people talking about that creates that sense of urgency, right?

00:50:55.000 Nothing happens in Washington, D.C.

00:50:56.000 if people aren't loud.

00:50:57.000 Once they start getting loud, then it becomes a priority.

00:50:59.000 So the whole point of legislation that came out of that administration was

00:51:04.000 Trying to change that number.

00:51:06.000 You only have five drug users, everyone, and that's somewhat anecdotal, everyone anti-trafficking, switch it.

00:51:11.000 So it was about, it was increasing the budgets for anti-trafficking work.

00:51:15.000 And that's what was happening.

00:51:16.000 And it was also enforcing the border.

00:51:18.000 Enforcing the border is saving kids.

00:51:20.000 And so these, all that, also, I mean, your father, it was over $300 million, I believe.

00:51:26.000 It was an insane amount of money that went directly into things like aftercare services.

00:51:30.000 We have a huge lack of beds in the United States for victims, for survivors of human trafficking, and that was all shifting.

00:51:37.000 It was all moving.

00:51:38.000 Things were changing.

00:51:39.000 I told you I was in a meeting, like I said, in October 2020 in the Roosevelt Room, and we were hatching a plan.

00:51:46.000 That had Donald Trump been re-elected, that plan would have gone into effect and it would have rescued tens of thousands of kids.

00:51:54.000 I mean, I was going to be put in the point of it.

00:51:56.000 I know it would have happened.

00:51:57.000 I was devastated for that alone.

00:51:59.000 I weeped for the children who weren't going to get saved because of that.

00:52:03.000 And I know it sounds dramatic and people are going to hit me for this and try to cancel me.

00:52:07.000 I don't care.

00:52:08.000 Guess what?

00:52:09.000 If they do, I promise you, maybe Rolling Stone will have their take, and maybe The Guardian or one of these leftist organizations will have their take.

00:52:15.000 I promise you, the people will not.

00:52:17.000 But you brought up an interesting point just there, which was, you know, I'm thinking about, well, you rescued the kid.

00:52:22.000 Great.

00:52:23.000 Well, what's next?

00:52:24.000 Right.

00:52:24.000 I mean, after a child has been through this, right?

00:52:28.000 Not just kidnapped, but like, you know, brutalized and raped, in many cases for years or hundreds of times.

00:52:34.000 Right.

00:52:36.000 Can that child ever expect

00:52:40.000 To recover?

00:52:40.000 I mean, obviously it's going to be different, every person's going to react differently, but, you know, how much of this is not just, you know, finding and rescuing kids, but how much has to go into it afterwards?

00:52:51.000 Because I can't imagine, I mean, we talk about PTSD, imagine what, I mean...

00:52:56.000 I can't even fathom what that could do to a psyche.

00:52:59.000 There is no rescue until there's healing.

00:53:03.000 In fact, every time I've been running any organization, or any operation, whether it's through OUR or the Nazarene Fund or whatever, the aftercare piece comes first.

00:53:12.000 We sit down and that's the plan we design first.

00:53:15.000 Yeah, because I guess, I would think you'd have children that are suicidal.

00:53:19.000 If you take them and nothing happens, what else are they going to do?

00:53:22.000 They know no other life probably after

00:53:25.000 Oh, if you do operations without aftercare, you're actually doing, it's a net negative.

00:53:30.000 Because I've seen it happen, where they, oh, we get a rescue and everyone runs home, and the kid gets two days of an interview, kicked out to the parking lot, the trafficker picks him up, beats the snot out of him, and now they'll never trust law enforcement again.

00:53:42.000 So that aftercare piece is the crucial piece.

00:53:44.000 It's the most important piece.

00:53:46.000 It's the most difficult piece.

00:53:47.000 Well, it's got to be also time and money.

00:53:50.000 Lots of time and money, both.

00:53:53.000 You know, unfortunately, we have to deal with the reality of the world, right?

00:53:55.000 Time and money, you know, is that a big part of that funding that you're also, that these organizations have?

00:54:01.000 Absolutely.

00:54:02.000 At the Spear Fund, we're putting probably more or equal money into the aftercare side as we do into the rescue side.

00:54:09.000 The kids that you see rescued on that island in the Sound of Freedom, we stayed with them.

00:54:14.000 They got great aftercare services from an organization called Reynacer in Colombia, and we've tracked with them.

00:54:20.000 They're young adults now, we're providing 0.99

00:54:22.000 Grants for them, helping them get through school.

00:54:25.000 And they're actually coming up to Miami in August.

00:54:28.000 Oh, really?

00:54:28.000 Because they're so happy about this film, and they want to tell their side of the story.

00:54:32.000 So these are the actual... The actual kids that were rescued on that island.

00:54:36.000 And I invited Rolling Stone and The Guardian to come interview the kids.

00:54:40.000 Let me guess.

00:54:40.000 I dare you.

00:54:41.000 I dare you guys to go tell these kids that they're part of some kind of QAnon conspiracy.

00:54:47.000 Well, they won't show up.

00:54:48.000 They won't show up.

00:54:48.000 It'll be too awkward, right?

00:54:50.000 But these are real kids.

00:54:52.000 Well, I mean, so that's going to happen in August?

00:54:54.000 Yeah.

00:54:55.000 Yeah.

00:54:55.000 Wow.

00:54:56.000 Yeah.

00:54:58.000 Well, I mean, I think that has to be so important because, I mean, it puts a real face to the issue, right?

00:55:05.000 You know, you have a movie, but you see these kids, and more importantly, you see that they're

00:55:10.000 There is a chance at success, right?

00:55:13.000 It's not just, again, the rescue, but it's, you know, if these kids, they want to come up and they want to tell that story, they want to expose, whether it's these groups, whether it's the practices, whether it's, like, I mean, I can't think of anything more powerful, so I'm sure you'll get all sorts of help for actually doing something that can be really effective in combating that, but, I mean, that's, I mean, that's what you need.

00:55:35.000 I mean, you need

00:55:37.000 To put sort of the icing on the cake of the movie is you need the success story.

00:55:42.000 Right.

00:55:43.000 Not just the rescue, but that child had a chance at a life.

00:55:47.000 There's a little kid in the film named Simba.

00:55:49.000 He's got this hair.

00:55:51.000 That kid is now in his early 20s.

00:55:54.000 He became an advocate for human trafficking, fighting human trafficking.

00:55:57.000 He'd go into the streets where trafficking was happening.

00:55:59.000 He found, like two or three years ago, he found this young girl who was being trafficked and she was pregnant, having been raped.

00:56:06.000 And he caught her on the moment that she was gonna, she told him, I'm going home, I'm either gonna abort, for sure abort the baby, but probably just kill myself too.

00:56:15.000 He convinced her not to.

00:56:15.000 This is a kid we rescued, right?

00:56:17.000 He convinced her not to and said, if you have the baby,

00:56:19.000 I'm recently married, I will adopt your baby." 1.00

00:56:22.000 And she didn't kill herself, she had the baby, he adopted that child, and he's now raising this child born of trafficking, right?

00:56:30.000 So it's like, these are the stories that are coming out now.

00:56:33.000 This is how we know it works.

00:56:36.000 It works.

00:56:40.000 The kind of cycle here of the survivor becoming the rescuer, right? 0.96

00:56:44.000 And so these are the stories that are going to really, I think, just smack in the face of these leftist, godless liars. 0.87

00:56:51.000 So what is that? 0.94

00:56:54.000 Assuming they have access.

00:56:56.000 We're good to go.

00:57:14.000 There has to be so much more, but if you can get that, what do you think that success rate is?

00:57:19.000 I mean, I imagine there's some that, you know, it's just so, you know, it's awful and I wish it wasn't the case, but you also have to deal with the reality.

00:57:27.000 But if you had the funds, the facilities, some psychiatrists or whatever it is, all of the above, what do you think that success rate could realistically be?

00:57:40.000 It's higher than most people would think, if you stay with them.

00:57:46.000 We say to the kids that we help, you're our family forever.

00:57:49.000 It never ends.

00:57:49.000 It's not like when you're 18 it's done.

00:57:51.000 No, forever.

00:57:52.000 I'm texting almost every day with some of the kids we rescued on that island 10 years ago.

00:57:57.000 I'm still talking to them and we're helping them.

00:58:01.000 Unfortunately, some don't make it.

00:58:03.000 Some, we lose some to suicide.

00:58:05.000 We lose some just run away and they can't have, they go back into that industry because they don't know, they don't think they can be anything else.

00:58:11.000 I remember talking to one kid that we rescued and just in conversation like trying to distract and talk about whatever.

00:58:17.000 What's your favorite color?

00:58:18.000 Thinking I was avoiding something deeper.

00:58:21.000 And the kid said, literally said to me, I'm not allowed to have a favorite color.

00:58:26.000 I'm like, whoa!

00:58:28.000 That's how the traffickers had rewired this kid.

00:58:30.000 You are a commodity.

00:58:32.000 You're not a person.

00:58:33.000 You don't get to have thoughts or hopes or dreams.

00:58:36.000 So a lot of it is just...

00:58:38.000 Dream!

00:58:39.000 And let us help you fulfill the dream.

00:58:41.000 It's going to go beyond just discovering what your favorite color is, too, by the way.

00:58:45.000 What do you want to do?

00:58:45.000 What do you want to be?

00:58:46.000 We'll facilitate that.

00:58:48.000 To give them that option and make them recognize that they are truly a child of God.

00:58:52.000 I love the line in the film when Caviezel says, God's children are not for sale.

00:58:57.000 You are God's child.

00:58:58.000 You get to do whatever you want to do.

00:59:00.000 You're a free agent.

00:59:00.000 Let us help you.

00:59:01.000 And that's when you start seeing hope.

00:59:05.000 In other countries around the world, you'd sort of mentioned sex tourism earlier.

00:59:11.000 That's a reality, but I guess it further degenerates into some of this.

00:59:17.000 What are the countries that are the most prolific offenders of that, that, let's say, enable this?

00:59:22.000 Because I think people should know, just because I imagine if their industry is hurt by people not going to them for legitimate tourism, maybe they'd actually start acting to

00:59:34.000 To prevent the more nefarious side of things.

00:59:37.000 So it's, I mean, really any tourist town you see, Southeast Asia has a very high rate of that kind of stuff.

00:59:44.000 Amsterdam, and this is interesting, this opens up a little bit.

00:59:46.000 Really?

00:59:47.000 Yeah.

00:59:47.000 Because I understand that, you know, obviously you have sort of notorious red light districts and all that stuff there.

00:59:53.000 But there's sort of, there's an underground to that.

00:59:55.000 That's right, that's the point.

00:59:56.000 I got in a debate with Dennis Prager, I was on his show, and I, like him, I'm very libertarian.

01:00:00.000 And he's like, I'm opposed to prostitution, but the government shouldn't be involved with consenting adults.

01:00:07.000 I agree with that, but I was making the point, and I said, Dennis, here's the problem that maybe some people don't see, is when you create a sex market, you're legitimizing pimps.

01:00:20.000 And calling them businessmen.

01:00:21.000 They're never going to show you the product that they have, what they call product, that they can sell for five times what they're selling, what they're showing you.

01:00:29.000 They'll never show you that, but you legitimize them, they have a certificate from the government framed on their wall, and you're paying tax, they're paying taxes, and you'll never see the 12 kids that they have laced throughout five hotels.

01:00:39.000 And those kids will be trapped forever.

01:00:41.000 So it's a bad idea to legalize sex.

01:00:44.000 New York State's looking at it.

01:00:45.000 Other states are looking at doing kind of what... Well, I mean, yeah.

01:00:49.000 Again, I understand the libertarian argument on some of these things, but I guess that's the consequence.

01:00:54.000 And is that sort of...

01:00:57.000 You don't want to use the word freedom, but it's that ability to do those things.

01:01:01.000 If this is the end result, then how do you weigh it?

01:01:05.000 If it hurts kids that bad, then it's not a protective freedom, because you're actually doing the opposite.

01:01:10.000 You're enslaving children. 0.93

01:01:13.000 Are there statistics in these areas where that is common?

01:01:17.000 Or legalized, you know, where, you know, there's, hey, X percent actually happens to be this.

01:01:23.000 What's that look like?

01:01:24.000 What's that ratio?

01:01:25.000 I don't, I don't, I mean, I've seen the studies, I don't have them before me right now, but yes, absolutely, we can, we can show, we can prove that there's a causal relationship, cause and effect, this is what happens.

01:01:34.000 The rate of child exploitation increases significantly in legalized adult sex zones, absolutely.

01:01:40.000 Has anyone done it where they've been able to prevent that or not?

01:01:43.000 Not yet, no.

01:01:44.000 Because it's just the nature of it.

01:01:45.000 No, people make the argument that, no, the government now has access to the pimp, so now they'll be able to look.

01:01:50.000 No, they don't.

01:01:50.000 Look, everybody's under-resourced.

01:01:52.000 Every country in the world, including the United States, doesn't have enough manpower to investigate child crimes.

01:01:57.000 You're sucking the resources just to legitimize this business and have compliance officers going in and shaking hands and making sure HIV tests are done.

01:02:05.000 No, you're sucking resources that you already need, they'll never find those kids.

01:02:09.000 I didn't even think about that.

01:02:10.000 By legalizing you create the bureaucracy that uses up the resources to actually prevent the stuff that would be not intended.

01:02:22.000 What can everyone here, anyone watching, what can they do

01:02:29.000 To help.

01:02:30.000 Again, everyone's like, hey, I love that you're doing X-Way.

01:02:33.000 And this is not for anything.

01:02:36.000 Well, what's the next step?

01:02:38.000 How do they take, I think the big thing or key theme of this show is, hey, you've got to become unafraid.

01:02:44.000 There's consequences to being on our side, at least if I'm looking at the political side, but if you don't do this, that apathy is far worse than any

01:02:55.000 I mean, it's hard to believe that you can have the story that you have with the people that you've saved in this and still be vilified.

01:03:04.000 I'm a villain.

01:03:06.000 I'm a villain.

01:03:08.000 No, but it's lunacy.

01:03:12.000 It's lunacy to even talk about it, but that's where we are.

01:03:17.000 I think people watching have to understand that.

01:03:21.000 And be able to combat it.

01:03:22.000 How do they do that?

01:03:23.000 How can someone who isn't an agent, isn't undercover, how can they help?

01:03:28.000 So what I'd say is when you leave Sound of Freedom, something will happen to you.

01:03:31.000 I mean, these guys, these are geniuses.

01:03:33.000 Alejandro Monteverde, Eduardo Verastegui, geniuses.

01:03:37.000 The movie begins when you leave the theater.

01:03:39.000 And when you walk out of that theater, I'd ask you, don't be afraid to be cancelled.

01:03:43.000 Take one out of the page of Don.

01:03:45.000 Don't be afraid to be cancelled!

01:03:47.000 Because if you want to stand up for kids these days, you're going to be cancelled.

01:03:50.000 People are going to hate on you because the solutions are coming from a place where

01:03:55.000 There's a big portion of the country that doesn't want you to expose it, doesn't want you to talk about it.

01:03:59.000 And two, I mean I would tell people, not to just sound like to simplify it, but we, I really believe in this new thing called the spearfund.com, go to it, or the spearfund.org, go to it, help us, because it's a scalable approach where everyone's included.

01:04:14.000 If a kid's hurt, we will find the solution to them and rapidly deploy.

01:04:19.000 And they're doing some of the diligence, so to speak.

01:04:21.000 Correct.

01:04:21.000 These guys are doing it better, so we're going to channel more resources there.

01:04:24.000 Correct.

01:04:25.000 It's almost like capitalistic.

01:04:27.000 And kids deserve that.

01:04:29.000 So spearfund.org?

01:04:31.000 The spearfund.org.

01:04:33.000 Picture a kid suffering in hell.

01:04:35.000 I want to send them the best.

01:04:37.000 And the best will be whatever we find out is the best in that moment.

01:04:40.000 And they'll get the rapid resources and they'll deploy immediately.

01:04:44.000 Awesome, man.

01:04:44.000 Well, Tim, thank you for doing what you're doing.

01:04:47.000 Guys, make sure you go see The Sound of Freedom.

01:04:49.000 Make sure you check out these organizations.

01:04:51.000 Make sure you have these conversations.

01:04:52.000 Again, I get it.

01:04:55.000 No one's going to look back on this in time and be like, that was controversial for you to bring this up.

01:05:00.000 We've got to put an end to this nonsense right now.

01:05:01.000 I can't think of

01:05:04.000 I can't think of anything, frankly, more important to our salvation.

01:05:09.000 So I'm just glad that you did it.

01:05:10.000 I'm glad you're putting it out there.

01:05:12.000 It's really important, man.

01:05:13.000 So thanks so much for doing this.

01:05:14.000 And guys, make sure to check it out.

01:05:16.000 Thanks so much, man.

01:05:17.000 Thank you.

01:05:18.000 Good seeing you.

01:05:18.000 Thank you.

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01:05:22.000 That's such an important message.

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RESCUING CHILDREN IS TIM BALLARD'S MISSION, "Sound of Freedom" Inspired by His Story | TRIGGERED Ep. 52

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