Sean Davis, founder of The Federalist joins me to discuss the latest in the ongoing saga of the Deep State conspiracy theories surrounding the Uranium One Program, the Steele dossier and the Joint Intelligence Committee report on the Russian election hack.
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00:09:15.000Well, obviously a lot's gone on since we last spoke, but Sean, you know, given the declassified documents from DNI Tulsi Gabbard, which show that the Obama administration officially, you know, basically, or even certainly officials within, manufactured intelligence.
00:09:31.000What do you see as the most damning piece of all of that information revealed and why?
00:09:37.000Yeah, I think the most damning piece of info came out in what Gabbard declassified, which was this House Intel oversight report on how the Intel Committee Community Assessment of 16 and 17 came out.
00:09:51.000And if you'll recall, this was the document that claimed that Russia had interfered in the election because it wanted to steal the election from Hillary Clinton and wanted Trump to win.
00:10:02.000But there was a particular piece of information in there about some interactions that career intel experts had with John Brennan, who was the head of the CIA at the time.
00:10:11.000And they were telling him, hey, this steel dossier thing that you're wanting to throw in the ICA, it's a bunch of garbage.
00:10:33.000That is such a damning piece of evidence that they were engaging in a conspiracy to defraud the country from the very beginning.
00:10:41.000So, Sean, a presidential daily brief from December 2016 assessed that Russia was probably not trying to influence the election by using cyber means.
00:10:49.000How significant is it that that information was seemingly suppressed or contradicted abruptly once Obama got involved?
00:10:59.000I mean, we've all said, hey, it all starts with Obama.
00:11:02.000Trump was the one saying, hey, Obama's spying on me.
00:11:04.000People went outraged, but it seems like it's accurate.
00:11:08.000I think that was a huge piece of information, and we didn't really know about that until the last week or so when Gabbard released it.
00:11:15.000We learned that Obama and Trump, by the way, who had just been elected president, were going to be informed by this presidential daily brief that Russia's meddling activities, its cyber activities, hadn't done anything.
00:11:28.000And had that been released, had that been shown to Obama and Trump, it would have blown up their entire Russia collusion hoax before they could even get it off the ground.
00:11:36.000So that was a huge piece of information.
00:11:39.000And I think it showed the guilt of mind that they had at the time to want to suppress that so that they could replace it with this completely bogus alternative intel explanation for what happened.
00:11:52.000Yeah, I guess, and people really forget, but we should all remember, the House intelligence investigation, the Mueller investigation, the original FBI investigation, even the Senate Intel investigation all found no collusion.
00:12:07.000Does this all really expose just how much of an overclassification problem our government has, that they can kind of get away with that, that all these things can say no, but one person can just override it and just put out a totally different narrative that's convenient to their politics?
00:12:24.000And in fact, with this ICA, the one that we know at its core, said there wasn't any sort of Russian meddling for Trump or for Hillary, Brennan and Clapper, they actually hid a whole bunch of stuff in a super secret version of it.
00:12:41.000They had the version that they gave to Congress and the public, which had been sanitized.
00:12:50.000But then they had the secret version that they gave to top intel officials that they gave to Obama that they chose to leak from.
00:12:57.000That thing had all the steel dossier nonsense in it.
00:13:00.000So they go to Congress and they lie about it, knowing that they've covered their own lies by classifying and making secret what they were actually doing.
00:13:08.000And again, it shows that this wasn't just a mistake that people made because they had bad assumptions or bad intel.
00:13:15.000They were cooking the books from the beginning, and then they were doing everything they could to cover their tracks, which is just perfect evidence of a guilty mind and a desire to defraud and lie to the American public.
00:13:27.000Yeah, I mean, John Brennan and others pushed the fake dossier.
00:13:30.000In terms of actual criminality, what statutes are we looking at here for them?
00:13:36.000I don't have the exact U.S. code numbers off the top of my head, but I think we're looking at a conspiracy to defraud the U.S. And I think it's Obama has some interesting choices to make.
00:13:48.000I know a lot of people are calling for Obama to be arrested and to be charged, and I totally understand that.
00:13:53.000You know, being a president is different than not being a president.
00:13:56.000You are allowed to do certain things as president.
00:14:34.000I wonder if that's a road he'll want to go down to completely eliminate or reduce the chance that he ends up getting charged with crimes for his role in the Russia collusion hoax.
00:14:44.000Yeah, I mean, it's sort of interesting.
00:14:47.000If it's one of those where it's an either-or, right?
00:15:32.000But the ones I really think deserve to be in prison for what they did for years are Comey and Clapper and Brennan.
00:15:38.000So, how do these declassified documents reshape the public's understanding of the intelligence community's role and potential politicization during that period?
00:15:50.000And I think to fully reshape the public's understanding of it, you have to have some sort of media cooperation in it.
00:15:59.000The reason so many people think Russia stole the election for Trump is because the corrupt corporate media lied about it for years and years and years.
00:16:08.000They published stuff that wasn't true.
00:16:11.000They took anything that Adam Schiff said and they were happy to trumpet it, even if it were lies.
00:16:16.000And then they suppressed stuff from people like me, from my organization, the Federalists.
00:16:22.000And so, what you're seeing right now with all these massive blockbuster revelations is kind of the same thing.
00:16:28.000You have the media pretending it doesn't exist, and then you have organizations like mine out there screaming to the hilltops, hey, you've got to pay attention to this stuff.
00:16:36.000And so, I think it's important as we go forward to remember that the corrupt corporate media was a key co-conspirator in this attempt to defraud the country.
00:16:46.000Clapper and Comey and Brennan couldn't have done it without the willing, deliberate participation of the media.
00:16:52.000And at some point, I think the people in the media who were part of this, they need to be held to account as well.
00:17:04.000I mean, you know, when my father first said the media is the enemy of the people, this was back when I was a, I too was a, you know, a doe-eyed kid, a babe in the woods.
00:17:14.000I was like, well, it's, you know, they're certainly, you know, lopsided.
00:17:18.000They're certainly biased, but are they really?
00:17:20.000But honestly, 10 years later, you look back and be like, oh, it's not even closed.
00:17:23.000Of course, I mean, they're as bad, but they have the protections of, oh, we were just reporting what we were told.
00:17:29.000You know, it could have been all nonsense.
00:17:31.000And again, if they were told something else that was towards my father's end, they would have just not reported it.
00:17:38.000But how would you actually go about doing that to create some sort of accountability within the media other than just their dismal viewership and ratings?
00:18:05.000You cannot, as a reporter, go and just blithely lie about someone in ways that destroy their reputation and then claim, oh, no, I'm not responsible.
00:18:20.000At some point, you have a responsibility, and courts understand this.
00:18:23.000You have a responsibility to do basic fact-checking.
00:18:27.000So I think if they were part of an active and willing conspiracy to defraud the people, I'm not sure that they have all that much protection in the same way that if you were to go out and decide, oh, I'm going to destroy this person and I'm just going to have a bunch of people feed them lies and then I'll have my hands clean.
00:19:04.000My father's been winning those cases and settling for tens of millions of dollars because they essentially tried to steal an election.
00:19:10.000Again, this is obviously significantly worse.
00:19:13.000So do you think that's mostly financial or do you think there's actually statutory criminality involved?
00:19:18.000I think there's probably some criminal exposure there.
00:19:21.000Let's take the leak about the Flynn call with Kisley Act, this thing that they used to kickstart their Logan Act tribunal, which was totally absurd and bogus.
00:19:32.000That transcript, that call, which we know they lied about, by the way, David Ignatius lied about it.
00:19:38.000That was a classified, the call was classified.
00:20:01.000If you're trying to get someone to break the law by giving you things you know you're not supposed to have, I think that is an angle that's worth exploring given the amount of classified info that was leaked and also lied about and deceptively reported.
00:20:16.000Yeah, so from the federalist perspective, what role did that mainstream media play in amplifying the Russia collusion narrative?
00:20:22.000I mean, they'll never learn their lesson, but at least their influence and credibility is shot to some extent, isn't it?
00:21:35.000I look at a lot of the stuff with AI and I see that AI is being trained on Wikipedia and the New York Times and Reddit and CNN.
00:21:43.000And I tend to think, you know, in 20 or 30 years, who's going to be writing our history books?
00:21:47.000Is it people who lived through the history or is it going to be an algorithm that some blue-haired lefty freak wrote to make sure that only good left-wing sources are used to write the history books?
00:22:00.000I mean, just yesterday, I was looking through the Wikipedia entry on the steel dossier, and it still claims that it was never used in the ICA.
00:22:08.000I mean, we have black and white documentary, quote-for-quote, proof that it was in, and yet Wikipedia is lying about it.
00:22:15.000And Wikipedia is a major source of all these AI engines.
00:22:18.000So I'm kind of bearish on how history will cover this because I know how desperate the left is to control the narrative.
00:22:27.000Because when you can control the narrative, you can control the history and You can control what people believe about something forever.
00:22:33.000Yeah, no, I mean, that strikes me as a big one.
00:22:35.000You sort of see the two big sort of tech races going on right now are crypto and AI.
00:22:42.000I'd say crypto probably leans, frankly, probably leans mostly libertarian, but definitely probably leans a little bit right.
00:22:50.000The left's fine with the conventional systems because it's never failed them.
00:22:54.000But AI definitely leans very heavy left.
00:22:59.000And I imagine given the advances we're seeing, given the deep fakes, given the way it is, if we don't sort of get involved in the AI race from the right or at least a center position, we're going to be propagandized without even knowing it.
00:23:13.000We'll just assume some of this stuff is true because they're not going to attack it as ridiculously as CNN will publish everything that Adam Schiff says and therefore it must be the gospel.
00:23:21.000I mean, they will very subtly manipulate people to believing whatever it is that they will with whatever trigger points over time.
00:23:30.000They'll do it so subtly you won't even know it's happening.
00:23:33.000And that will be how history is written.
00:23:37.000Yeah, I think we actually have to change on the right how we view media.
00:23:43.000So I think conservatives and a lot of the wealthy people who help fund races and campaigns, they tend to look at politics as an every other year kind of thing, an even year kind of thing.
00:23:58.000What the left has understood and one way they've been able to dominate culture is they understand it's a long game and you have to really invest in infrastructure.
00:24:07.000And so they don't just have CNN or MSNBC or the New York Times.
00:24:11.000They have scores and scores of left-wing outlets.
00:25:23.000How do you create enough sort of counterculture zeitgeist to be able to combat some of this stuff to make sure that both sides are actually heard in the long run?
00:25:32.000Especially, again, once you have the AI engine sort of amplifying one side far more than the other.
00:25:38.000So DC buzzword for that would be like you need a belt and suspenders approach.
00:25:43.000You need to just throw everything at it.
00:25:45.000The right should be building up podcasts and print and broadcast and cable news and online and do all of it.
00:25:52.000I think of more of a shotgun approach.
00:25:55.000I joke when I shoot that I believe in accuracy through volume.
00:25:59.000That's, I think, what we actually need on the right is we need people throwing everything at it and see what works.
00:26:05.000It's almost like a venture capital approach to philanthropy because I do think it has to be viewed as a political philanthropic goal.
00:26:14.000You need to throw everything you can at it and just see what works over time as opposed to thinking, oh, I've done this one thing with this one outlet.
00:26:52.000There's others that are bigger that have a head start.
00:26:54.000And there's a notion that once you sort of get that air superiority in AI, no different than America versus China, we have to build a power plant so that we can compete because once you lose that race, you get to a point where there's no coming back.
00:27:08.000It sort of feels like that way within the AI engines in the United States.
00:27:12.000What are some of the other ones that you see that viewers, you're going to be using AI?
00:27:17.000But you may want to throw your money behind the ones that are at least intellectually honest, not the ones that are, they may even be fine today, but you know are going to be slowly shifting that narrative over.
00:27:29.000Are you familiar enough with that to give people an idea?
00:27:31.000Because again, I think if they're going to subscribe to some, they should probably subscribe to the ones that at least are going to be intellectually honest and not tell you that the founding fathers were trans women of color.
00:27:55.000For years and years and years, I used Google.
00:27:57.000And I look back to like the early 2000s, mid-2000s as the golden era of Google.
00:28:02.000You could find anything on the internet.
00:28:05.000It didn't matter how obscure within like five minutes, you could find it.
00:28:08.000Now I can't find stuff that I wrote on the site I publish with exact headlines and quotes on the first 10 pages of Google.
00:28:17.000So I've actually started using Grok almost as my like Google substitute.
00:28:22.000And it's a little clunky, but I've had pretty good luck with it.
00:28:26.000But even then, it still makes mistakes because with AI, it's garbage in, garbage out.
00:28:30.000With a large language model, it only knows what it's been fed.
00:28:34.000And so I think it's as important to have the AI engine be good as it is to have the AI engine with a good diet of good, solid information.
00:28:43.000Yeah, I just Grok and perplexity, you know, sort of as those, but you're right.
00:28:47.000I mean, and the Google analogy is sort of a perfect one, right?
00:28:50.000It started off fairly innocent and it was an effective tool, but no different than where I see some of these engines perhaps going.
00:28:58.000Google was probably the worst offender in the spread of misinformation, disinformation, censorship, subversion, certainly over the last decade.
00:29:09.000So it was around before it started off well, but then it was manipulated to be basically a left-wing narrative push.
00:29:16.000AI seems to be the next generation of that, isn't it?
00:29:36.000You'd kind of have to like collate the information in your head.
00:29:39.000AI, in a world where AI is neutral and really only synthesizes information as opposed to trying to tell you what to think.
00:29:47.000I mean, that drastically reduces the amount of time and effort and resources it takes there.
00:29:52.000It's a potentially earth-shattering, earth-changing tool, but only if it's used to actually give you good information as opposed to being used to indoctrinate you or hide the truth from you or prevent you from knowing things that AI or its engineers think are icky that you shouldn't know.
00:30:14.000I mean, like I said, until sort of AI became a big thing in the last couple of years, Google was sort of who I rallied against the hardest.
00:30:21.000You could find anything you wanted when it came out.
00:30:24.000And it wasn't always the cleanest, wasn't always this, but it then went so crazy, you know, you couldn't find anything.
00:30:32.000If I looked up myself, it'd be like, you know, 97 pages of CNN, nothing of Fox.
00:30:36.000And it was like, man, it was like, you know, maybe the information's out there, but unless you had unlimited time, unlimited capacity, you're never going to get far enough to where you're showing, you know, where you're seeing even the other perspective even remotely.
00:30:52.000I saw some story from Google during their antitrust suit where they were deliberately making the engine worse because you had to spend more time on it.
00:31:01.000And if you spent more time on it, they could sell you more ads.
00:31:04.000But I've gone on there recently and you get page after page of just current news results from its selected friends from like the last week.
00:31:15.000Well, when I'm Googling stuff, I'm generally not looking for stuff that was in the news last week.
00:31:20.000I'm trying to find something that's 10 or 15 years old.
00:31:22.000I'm trying to find a particular document.
00:31:24.000And so it's not even so much that it's biased, although it is.
00:31:31.000It's like a screwdriver where somehow the shape on the head has been stripped out and all you're doing is frustrating yourself and wasting your time every time you use it.
00:31:41.000Sean, I'd love to get your take on some of the stuff over the last weekend.
00:31:45.000We saw the trade deal get done with the EU.
00:31:50.000We saw the GDP numbers, 3% growth and 2% inflation.
00:31:54.000I mean, what a reversal from the prior administration.
00:31:57.000And yet, all the haters still out there saying, oh, it's failing.
00:32:02.000I mean, they're still running the opposite of narrative of what the actual facts from the government.
00:32:06.000Meaning, these are not, I wouldn't say these are MAGA bureaucrats.
00:32:10.000These are the agencies that run numbers and crunch and are probably still very politically motivated towards the other side.
00:32:18.000Do you see people feeling that and seeing through it?
00:32:21.000Or are they going to still be biased by what's out there at this point?
00:32:24.000I think people are seeing through it, but I'm reminded of what happened in Trump's first administration when he passed those first tax cuts.
00:33:49.000And I think the last thing right now that is waiting, that's kind of holding us back are interest rates.
00:33:56.000That's what's stopping any real movement in commercial and residential real estate now is, you know, on the commercial side, no one wants to pay 6.5% on a commercial real estate loan.
00:35:14.000And what does that mean to the American people?
00:35:16.000Because it seems like hundreds of billions of dollars and frankly, standard of living is going to be affected by trying to play this game, screw with Trump, don't let the economy get going.
00:35:27.000I guess maybe they'll move after midterms when they can try to weaponize it and try to get control of the House or the Senate or whatever it may be.
00:35:52.000Import prices are actually down year over year, in spite of those awful tariffs that we were warned about.
00:35:59.000Import Prices are down, inflation is way down, and yet you have Powell just saying, no, we can't cut rates.
00:36:05.000I think what's happening right now is there's a concerted effort given how close the margins are in the House.
00:36:11.000I think a lot of people in government who are left-wingers, I think the media, I think they're just trying to get to next November and hope that they can get maybe a one-seat margin.
00:36:22.000Then they can grind everything to a halt again.
00:36:24.000They can impeach Trump again, and then they'll ride that wave to a presidential victory in 28.
00:36:30.000I think it is entirely political sabotage.
00:36:32.000Now, we could get into the whole issue of whether like central banking and fiat currency is even the right thing to do.
00:36:40.000I obviously don't think it is, but the genie's probably out of the bottle on that globally.
00:36:44.000Like, this is what you end up with when you have a central banking system running your global monetary supply: is you have people who are political actors making political decisions, not making good financial economic decisions for the people they're supposed to be helping.
00:37:00.000Yeah, I mean, does any of that change?
00:37:02.000I mean, listen, I think probably anyone in the comment section right now is probably shouting and screaming, end the Fed.
00:37:08.000You know, it may not be realistic, but do things like crypto and these things give you a little bit of that hedge against the inflationary powers that those create, et cetera, et cetera.
00:37:18.000You know, what are your thoughts on that as it relates to the future?
00:37:20.000And, you know, I'm not talking CBDCs, you know, central bank digital currencies, because I think those would be weaponized perhaps worse than anything we could imagine.
00:37:28.000And my father was very clear about not having that, certainly not in the crypto bill, you know, et cetera.
00:37:33.000But where do you think that goes that we could sort of create some of the independence that we need from these politicized actors?
00:37:44.000And I think crypto is a valuable tool for kind of getting away from the model of central bank currency management.
00:37:51.000But I will say, I'm not a smart guy on crypto.
00:37:54.000I often feel way too dumb to fully understand it.
00:37:58.000But the thing about the dollar is, and about hard currency, even if it's not backed by anything real, that's kind of been the basis of civilization for hundreds and thousands of years.
00:38:11.000I think it's going to take a long time.
00:38:13.000I think that's going to be a hard thing to get away from.
00:38:16.000And so while I absolutely think crypto is an amazing tool for helping us to decouple from the tyranny of central banking, I don't see it as a deliverer or as something that's going to fix the problem in a year or 10 years or even 100 years.
00:38:31.000But again, when it comes to this stuff, it's not my forte.
00:38:42.000Sean, I'd love to get your take on some of the things.
00:38:45.000My father's been sort of ending war after war after war.
00:38:50.000I was with him last weekend in Scotland and he was taking calls, again, just in the background, not involved, but just there.
00:38:57.000The prime minister of Thailand calls and the prime minister of Cambodia calls and he basically used America's economic might, threatening, hey, we're not just not going to do a trade deal with you guys and we'll put your economy in the crapper if you guys don't get together and figure it out.
00:39:13.000Does he ever get credit for those things?
00:39:15.000Because it's like, I don't watch much conventional news anymore because, frankly, both sides, I think, are so screwed up that it doesn't really matter.
00:39:22.000But you don't see anyone actually talking about it.
00:39:25.000Before you just let them fight till they die, who cares?
00:40:05.000And it's one of those things that kind of gets forgotten in the day-to-day conversation because we get so lost in politics, this and talking points that the dude is a legendary deal maker.
00:40:41.000We, you know, even, and honestly, mostly the conservatives, they've been bitching about free trade, free trade, free trade for years, but it was never free trade.
00:40:48.000These people had tariffs on our goods.
00:40:49.000You couldn't send American cars there.
00:42:32.000Meaning, what was the great one, I guess, for Wisconsin was hit hard with this one because of the Canadian dairy stuff.
00:42:38.000No, there's no tariff on American dairy going into Canada because it's like 7% for the, literally, I think it was like 7% or something, relatively low, but still a tariff, but on the first carton of milk or whatever it is.
00:42:49.000So it's like, you know, you send one case of milk over, that's 7%.
00:42:53.000But every case after that, it was like 30%.
00:42:56.000So it looked optically like, no, no, no, no, it's only 7%.
00:42:58.000It's like, yeah, but who sends one case of milk over there?
00:43:22.000Why does it take Trump after 50 years of being taking advantage of, destroying our middle class, shipping our, you know, our only export was frankly the American dream that we sent to every other country other than ourselves?
00:43:33.000Again, I still just don't understand how it got that way.
00:43:35.000And how do we prevent that from coming back after Trump and just going back to the status quo?
00:43:41.000Well, yeah, it never got changed because a bunch of people who were in charge of everything were getting rich off of it.
00:43:46.000A bunch of people got filthy, stinking rich, hollowing out the American class, offshoring their jobs, getting rid of our manufacturing capacity.
00:43:55.000A lot of bankers and a lot of lawyers and a lot of people who work in those areas got filthy rich.
00:44:00.000That's why nothing was ever done about it.
00:44:02.000It's actually a major reason why groups you had like the chamber seem to hate Trump because he's going after the golden goose that they were using to fleece the American people.
00:44:13.000So I think the thing that has to change is number one, people had to know that it could be changed.
00:44:20.000We were kind of like set in this soft despotism of just assuming this was how things had to be for 50 years because that's how they always were.
00:44:28.000And sometimes it's just the fact that seeing it doesn't have to be that way that helps people to understand that they can demand more.
00:44:36.000So I think that's the most important thing.
00:44:38.000Trump has made people realize, hey, all it takes is someone who actually cares about you to go and change these things.
00:44:44.000You don't actually have to sit and take it anymore.
00:44:59.000If we stop buying from you, like you're actually forced to come to the table and no one bothered to ever exercise that might.
00:45:04.000It's like being a pro football player playing a Pee Wee football team and like shackling your legs together, shackling your arms together, and wondering how is it possible that we're not winning.
00:45:17.000Well, yeah, and I'll use Canada as an example again because there was so much rhetoric going back and forth between the U.S. and Canada.
00:45:24.000And you had people saying, well, oh, this is, you can't drop stuff on Canada.
00:45:27.000They're a major trading partner and we're going to shoot ourselves in the foot.
00:45:31.000But when you actually looked at the balance of the trade, they are so much more dependent upon us.
00:45:36.000The things that we buy from them are so much of a higher percentage of their total economy than anything we buy from them.
00:45:43.000And yet, for some reason, we had convinced ourselves over years, oh, we can't do anything.
00:45:48.000We can't do anything to offset all the massive subsidies they're illegally using to preference their products because that might hurt us a little.
00:45:56.000And it was all nonsense from the beginning.
00:46:02.000I'm sure we'll be talking again soon as more insanity ensues.
00:46:06.000But guys, check out Sean Davis over on X and Truth and check out the Federalist, one of the guys doing great work.
00:46:12.000And again, to get all that information out there, you know, another one of those guys you should follow and share so we combat the insanity that's out there.
00:46:18.000So, Sean, thanks all, as always, for being here, man.