Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - The Interview You've All Been Asking for: Trial Lawyer Robert Barnes | TRIGGERED Ep.64

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00:03:59.000 All right, guys.

00:04:01.000 So, Robert, first and foremost, welcome to the show.

00:04:04.000 First time on.

00:04:04.000 But, you know, I see it a lot in the comments.

00:04:08.000 Your name actually pops up.

00:04:09.000 So I know you've got a great following on here.

00:04:11.000 Obviously, you're with David, you know, Viva Fray on here all the time, talking on Rumble, one of the other adapters at this platform.

00:04:18.000 But, you know, for those who may not know, and I think there's a lot of them that do, but for those who

00:04:23.000 Can you introduce yourself a bit to the audience?

00:04:23.000 I may not know.

00:04:25.000 Talk about your career in law, some of your biggest cases, and how you ended up sort of being with such a big following while analyzing, say, the Trump indictments and really the left's destruction of our legal system and the weaponization and lawfare that we're seeing coming from the left today.

00:04:44.000 Sure, yeah.

00:04:45.000 So, politically, old school, populist background.

00:04:48.000 Became a lawyer in 2000, representing people across the political spectrum, mostly on civil rights, constitutional, and in criminal cases.

00:04:57.000 And, I mean, literally, some people get upset about somebody I've represented, and I said, that's easy, because they dislike one another.

00:05:02.000 I've represented everybody from Ralph Nader to Alex Jones, from Jill Stein to the Covington kids, from the Green Party to the Libertarian Party.

00:05:12.000 You know, everybody across the political spectrum, Robert Kennedy to Donald Trump, and it covers the entire political spectrum because what I care about is constitutional rights and liberties.

00:05:22.000 I became kind of a public figure because the insanity started to ratchet up in 2015, early 2016.

00:05:28.000 The first time someone asked me to comment was on a tax aspect of

00:05:36.000 We're good.

00:05:54.000 And I saw them weaponize the legal system in some of the most insane and inane ways I'd ever seen to the great detriment of our constitutional republic.

00:06:19.000 And so I became more of a public figure because I was horrified at what they were trying to do to the country and to the rule of law and the Constitution that I deeply cherish.

00:06:29.000 Okay, so some of the lawfare, you know, let's just generally call it that, that we're seeing, I mean, you know, we're, and our viewers, now they see it because it's so flagrant, because it's so over the top, because it's just used every day, and the hypocrisy, the two-tiered system of justice that we talk about all the time, I mean, it's so in their face, but this isn't necessarily a new tactic

00:06:53.000 By the left, is it?

00:06:53.000 I mean, how long has this been going on?

00:06:55.000 What are some of the bigger, you know, cases that people would understand?

00:06:58.000 Just to say, hey, it's not new, it's just gone so much further today.

00:07:04.000 Absolutely.

00:07:04.000 What I've said is it's measured up in scope and scale to an extraordinary and perilous degree.

00:07:09.000 So the people I represented were generally outsiders, dissidents, and that's usually who they weaponized the legal system against.

00:07:16.000 Going all the way back, I mean, you know, the British did it to a wider range of people right before the American Revolution.

00:07:23.000 Patrick Henry's famous give me liberty or give me death speech was

00:07:27.000 Arguably the greatest tax acquittal of all time.

00:07:32.000 So that had happened, but we scaled it back in America with only selective actions taken.

00:07:37.000 The Alien and Sedition Act briefly in the early 1800s.

00:07:41.000 Then you had the targeting of labor activists in the 1890s and 1900s.

00:07:46.000 Eugene V. Debs during World War I and Congressman Baker Berger.

00:07:52.000 So there are little bits and pieces.

00:07:53.000 We saw it against Martin Luther King in the 1960s in the American South, 1950s.

00:07:58.000 But we hadn't seen it on this scale at all before.

00:08:00.000 So I had experienced it because for the better part of a quarter century it defended people being targeted for political reasons, but they were mostly little-known people.

00:08:11.000 People on the outskirts or the outside.

00:08:13.000 What was so dangerous about this is now they were trying to do it to the leading candidate for the president and then the incumbent president, now the leading opponent of the existing political administration, and effectively trying to strip 80 million Americans of their ability to vote in the 2024 election for who they want.

00:08:31.000 That's where it became dangerous.

00:08:33.000 But it's always been there.

00:08:35.000 And I always tell people, if you want an example,

00:08:37.000 Look at the Cuban show trials, the Soviet show trials, the Stasi show trials.

00:08:42.000 I mean, we saw it today.

00:08:43.000 Today we see an announcement by a judge in D.C.

00:08:47.000 of a trial date that makes absolutely no sense, right before Super Tuesday.

00:08:52.000 The only logic to do that is to try to prevent President Trump from campaigning in the primaries and to try to get a conviction to try to influence the 2024 November elections.

00:09:04.000 That is a pure show trial.

00:09:06.000 Yeah, for people who haven't been paying attention, the D.C.

00:09:11.000 judge literally said, Super Tuesday, it's like 12 or 14 states, that's when they have their primary.

00:09:19.000 The D.C.

00:09:21.000 trial for my father and his indictment starts

00:09:23.000 The day before that, trying to take him off the playing field, not just for that day, but presumably in the weeks leading up to it, because, you know, some of these things, they'd like to try him for up to and including things that involve the death penalty.

00:09:38.000 Robert, like,

00:09:39.000 How is it, though, that, you know, while this has been going on so long, how is it that the lawfare has been so co-opted by the left?

00:09:48.000 Why haven't the right sort of fought back fire with fire?

00:09:52.000 Are there no, you know, conservative trial attorneys that are willing to do this?

00:09:57.000 I mean, you know, and I get it.

00:09:58.000 It's sort of the conservative mindset.

00:10:00.000 Live and let live in this.

00:10:01.000 But, like, we've turned the other cheek so long.

00:10:05.000 And it's, like, the greatest gift we've given to the left because we've allowed them to assume control over virtually every institution in America.

00:10:14.000 And I don't just mean governmental.

00:10:16.000 I mean, you know, academia.

00:10:17.000 I mean even pop culture.

00:10:19.000 Sports.

00:10:21.000 Like, military generals are woke leftists now, and I'm trying to figure out how this jives with, like, the door kickers that I know that clearly aren't.

00:10:31.000 How is it possible that it's been so one-sided?

00:10:34.000 Why is that?

00:10:35.000 It's really a class war, and essentially the left took over the professional managerial class, and then they made the professional managerial class, through credentialing and licensing, the gatekeepers to all the institutions of influence.

00:10:47.000 They control things like public relations and human resources at major corporations.

00:10:53.000 They increasingly control where pension funds are even being invested on Wall Street.

00:10:57.000 That's where ESG comes from.

00:10:59.000 By definition, they control the legal process, because you have to have a lawyer, which means every judge comes from it.

00:11:03.000 And they share these same professional managerial class prejudices that were heavily shaped by what was happening in schools, because they made education the ticket to professional class access, and then they used that control over the educational process to culturally condition an entire generation, to sort of do Gromsky-style slow walk through the institutions.

00:11:24.000 And before we know it, Hollywood's all controlled by the left,

00:11:27.000 The state, you know, all the bureaucracies are controlled by the left.

00:11:30.000 The judiciary is controlled by the left.

00:11:32.000 The legal profession itself, people supposed to be advocating, are controlled by the left.

00:11:37.000 And the wrong kind of left.

00:11:39.000 Not the Robert Kennedy, Alan Dershowitz, Jonathan Turley left.

00:11:43.000 But the statist, Soviet, Stasi-minded ends justify the means left. 0.84

00:11:48.000 And that's effectively what happened and we woke up too late and all of a sudden all of our institutions of influence at every single level, whether it's Hollywood, culture, academia, law, politics, the state, corporate bureaucracies, key decision makers on Wall Street, all controlled by people who hate ordinary Americans.

00:12:07.000 So we have an expert on here.

00:12:10.000 I love following you on social and seeing you break down the cases, both the pitfalls, the dangers, but also how to combat some of them.

00:12:21.000 For the audience, can you take us through the cases?

00:12:24.000 There's four.

00:12:25.000 They're all kind of big.

00:12:27.000 They're all kind of different.

00:12:28.000 And they're all kind of different, to me, with a purpose, right?

00:12:31.000 You have some of the stuff that's sort of

00:12:33.000 Isolated at the state so that you can't sort of have, you know, the pardon component.

00:12:37.000 Obviously, it gets a lot deeper than that.

00:12:39.000 But can you take us through the cases and lay out how the law is being misapplied in each one of them?

00:12:45.000 What are the big holes, and with Jack Smith, with Fannie Willis, in those indictments, and what are they trying to do, you know, in the lawfare aspects of what's going on versus what would be constitutionally acceptable by anyone else?

00:13:02.000 It's really three levels of unprecedented, unparalleled legal actions in each of the indictments.

00:13:08.000 So first, we've never had a former president indicted before.

00:13:12.000 We've never had the leading opponent, presidential opponent, of the presidential incumbent administration indicted before.

00:13:19.000 Those two things by themselves raise a wide range of constitutional issues.

00:13:23.000 But what's also extraordinary here is each of these indictments pursues novel legal theories never pursued before.

00:13:29.000 Extraordinary.

00:13:30.000 All four do.

00:13:31.000 The New York indictment seeks a theory of damages.

00:13:34.000 The idea that you settling a case privately in your corporation somehow defrauds the corporation is the nuttiest, looniest theory ever.

00:13:43.000 There's not another analogous case in the country.

00:13:46.000 The idea that keeping your own documents, which is what the President keeping classified documents are, which he can declassify at any moment, well, President, the idea that that somehow could be a crime has just never been charged before.

00:13:57.000 The idea that challenging an election, which has been done since the beginning of American history, is somehow now a crime has never been done before.

00:14:04.000 The idea that political activities can be a RICO charge has never been done before.

00:14:09.000 All of these things are unparalleled.

00:14:10.000 And by the way, if they could, I feel like the Democrats would be in serious trouble based on a lot of the behavior, based on a lot of the things that they sort of let slip that, let's just say, if it was conservatives doing it during, say, the summer of 2020, summer of love riots, wouldn't be acceptable.

00:14:28.000 Oh, no doubt.

00:14:28.000 I mean, there's a lot of confession through projection.

00:14:31.000 You go back to Russiagate and Spygate, everything that happened.

00:14:34.000 You listen to the allegations.

00:14:36.000 The allegations during all of those things against the president was that the president and his family, including you, were involved in some sort of conspiracy to influence the elections and make yourself profit.

00:14:47.000 Well, what were they talking about?

00:14:49.000 Joe Biden and Hunter Biden conspiring with Ukrainian politicians and others to line their own pockets in order to cover up criminal behavior.

00:14:58.000 I know that I am not the great man that Hunter Biden is.

00:14:58.000 It's amazing.

00:15:03.000 I aspire one day to maybe be half the man that Hunter is, but like, you know, in all fairness, I have a feeling if it was Don Jr., I'd be in Gitmo, and rightfully so.

00:15:13.000 And then you look at what the campaign indictments are, and again, or even look at the New York indictment.

00:15:13.000 Oh, no doubt about it.

00:15:20.000 Was there an effort to cover up, you know, illicit money laundering to cover up election activities?

00:15:25.000 Yeah, it was what Hillary Clinton did, using Perkins Code to disguise money laundering for campaign funds to Fusion GPS, who, by the way, was represented by the law firm who a particular judge, now presiding over the Trump trial in D.C., was a partner at.

00:15:41.000 Aren't those the same lawyers that magically picked up Ray Epps' trial?

00:15:46.000 Sort of shocking that they would pick up one of the instigators of January 6th and just represent them out of the kindness of their hearts because it definitely was not a setup.

00:15:54.000 I believe that's the one, isn't it?

00:15:56.000 Oh, there's extraordinary overlaps and connections that keep popping up.

00:16:00.000 Hunter Biden ends up connected to these same law firms and attorneys and the same judge.

00:16:06.000 I mean, you have the judge in the D.C.

00:16:08.000 case, who you couldn't make this up, who's, as the New York Post has reported, is literally the granddaughter and niece

00:16:16.000 We're good to go.

00:16:31.000 And the same judge who said, hey, you January 6th defendants, you're going to have to sit in gulags for two years or longer because we need more time before we can go to trial, has now said President Trump has six months to prepare for a case with over 12 million documents expected to last at least three months in trial.

00:16:55.000 There's no case like it that's ever been done.

00:16:58.000 For perspective people, I think I saw the analogy that the legal defense team of my father used was that if you took pieces of paper and stacked them, that this is taller than the Washington Monument.

00:17:12.000 They have to, with a team of, you know, you can't have just a million people looking at something, because you've got to be able to actually assimilate all of that information and combine it.

00:17:12.000 All right?

00:17:21.000 So you have to do that with a team.

00:17:22.000 But a stack, a book the height of the Washington Monument, and they're supposed to figure this out by early March?

00:17:32.000 It's insane.

00:17:32.000 So, Robert, you started off sort of talking about sort of the unprecedented attack on what was then a sitting president, now a former president.

00:17:40.000 I don't think anyone's actually making the claim that if the president actually went up and shot someone, that they shouldn't be subject to our laws.

00:17:51.000 No one's making that case, but the fact that they're actually creating

00:17:55.000 Almost new rules, new precedent to try in any sort of machination to create a crime after the fact is what the real issue is.

00:18:07.000 Because people, well, you don't want him to be killed again if they actually did something, but that's not what they're trying to do with these cases.

00:18:14.000 They're trying novel legal theory, and they're trying it with

00:18:20.000 You know, I guess to the Trump campaign's point, to someone who's got a platform, who's got the ability to fund it, who's got millions of followers, they don't even care.

00:18:28.000 If they can do this to the President of the United States, they can, and if you've been watching, they intend in the future to do this to anyone who would stand in their way.

00:18:38.000 Oh, completely.

00:18:38.000 I mean, because not only are the prosecutions unparalleled and totally novel and wildly creative and a complete weaponization of the legal process and the legal system, but in my view, the Constitution was designed to prevent local prosecutors from hijacking our elections and hijacking the presidency.

00:18:57.000 But through both the Impeachment Clause and the First Amendment.

00:19:00.000 That the Impeachment Clause says, if you want to indict the President, there's a way to do so.

00:19:05.000 You impeach him in the House, you convict him in the Senate, and then you can pursue criminal remedies against him.

00:19:12.000 I think that has to be the exclusive remedy to go after someone that's the President.

00:19:17.000 Otherwise, the President's at the whim of any local prosecutor anywhere in America.

00:19:21.000 And you no longer have a federal constitutional system of governance.

00:19:25.000 The second issue is the First Amendment.

00:19:27.000 The First Amendment, in my view, is designed to preclude the incumbent administration from indicting their opponent.

00:19:32.000 If this election, at a minimum, all these indictments should be stayed pending the outcome of the election.

00:19:38.000 Otherwise, we're seeing what's happened.

00:19:40.000 The President, I mean, Donald Trump has to appear in all of these cases.

00:19:44.000 They're scheduling the cases so that he cannot campaign at all from March through November.

00:19:50.000 Because after the March trial is the late May, February, late May Florida trial.

00:19:54.000 Then after that's going to be the New York trial.

00:19:56.000 Then right after that, they're scheduling the Georgia trial.

00:19:58.000 So he's never able to campaign.

00:20:00.000 One of the greatest campaigners in the history of American politics.

00:20:03.000 They're trying to literally legally remove from the ability to campaign.

00:20:07.000 If the First Amendment isn't there to protect against that, what's it there for?

00:20:11.000 Yeah, and the timing and the magnitude of it is all so, so clear.

00:20:15.000 I mean, it's obvious what they're doing.

00:20:17.000 Now, I'll say this, and maybe this is crazy, but Trump may be the one person that can actually benefit from that, meaning sort of like the mugshot.

00:20:26.000 It was designed to embarrass.

00:20:28.000 It was designed to humiliate.

00:20:30.000 It was designed to get everyone to, you know, tuck tail and run.

00:20:34.000 And it's had the opposite effect.

00:20:36.000 I mean, I think you could see that here.

00:20:38.000 Because if they did it with one thing on a serious thing, you know, maybe he would take it seriously.

00:20:44.000 But because they're pursuing it from all these angles, because they're trying to make sure that, you know, the remedy that works here doesn't there, so they get every possible chance to be able to stop him.

00:20:55.000 It's almost so obvious that the American people see it.

00:20:58.000 He may be the one person that could actually benefit from this total miscarriage of justice.

00:21:03.000 No doubt.

00:21:03.000 And he's done it very well.

00:21:05.000 And what he said to Tucker is exactly right.

00:21:07.000 The key to all of this, the bulwark against all of this, is the American people.

00:21:12.000 Sticks and Hammer had a great set of tweets today where he was saying, look, they want you to quit.

00:21:18.000 They want you to forfeit.

00:21:19.000 They want you to go home.

00:21:20.000 I like to say that the greatest trick the devil ever pulled is convincing you he doesn't exist.

00:21:25.000 The greatest trick the system ever pulls is convincing you that you cannot resist.

00:21:30.000 And that's what all the... it's about trying to build up futility and a sense of defeatism and people saying, oh, OK, the election is going to be stolen anyway, so nothing I do matters.

00:21:40.000 They're going to lock them up and I can't make a difference.

00:21:43.000 And what President Trump's point was is as long as you believe otherwise, it will, in fact, be otherwise, because that's the key point.

00:21:52.000 That's the thing they have to break through or they lose.

00:21:55.000 I agree with that 100 percent.

00:21:57.000 Now, that said,

00:21:58.000 Can you ever get a fair trial here?

00:22:01.000 Clearly, the prosecutors, with shady reputation, overturned unanimously in the Supreme Court.

00:22:10.000 Can you get a fair trial?

00:22:13.000 I mean, it's clearly designed so you can't, right?

00:22:15.000 Whether it's the judges, the prosecutors that magically, you know, magically get paid.

00:22:19.000 Jack Smith, oh, you know, overturned every time.

00:22:22.000 History of corruption and just not playing by rules.

00:22:25.000 I mean, that seems hand-picked to do the bidding of the regime.

00:22:30.000 But, you know, even if you break it down beyond the judges and the prosecutors, if you have a stacked jury, how do you overcome that?

00:22:37.000 Now, in some of the cases that are, let's call them federal, I guess you keep appealing to the Supreme Court and hopefully, you know, normalcy prevails, right?

00:22:47.000 But it doesn't matter.

00:22:47.000 It's a delay tactic.

00:22:48.000 It's designed to drain you. 0.92

00:22:50.000 It's designed to, you know, drain your coffers so you don't have the funds to be able to either fight other things or to campaign or whatever it may be.

00:22:56.000 How do you overcome all of that?

00:22:58.000 More importantly,

00:22:59.000 How do you overcome it in the places where they're designed to take that out of it?

00:23:05.000 They're in the states.

00:23:06.000 There is no necessarily appeal to the Supreme Court.

00:23:09.000 People say, well, petition to go to federal court.

00:23:12.000 Like, it's not that simple.

00:23:12.000 They've got to sign off on these things.

00:23:14.000 What would your legal strategy be handling some of these things or each of the four?

00:23:18.000 Because they're all kind of different.

00:23:20.000 And they're designed, I think, different so that at least

00:23:23.000 Maybe something lands, right?

00:23:25.000 There's a reason there's so many charges, not just one.

00:23:28.000 They don't need to win all of them.

00:23:30.000 You know, for me, with Russia, Russia, Russia, when they said, you know, well, we want to try him for treason.

00:23:35.000 You know, it's a crime punishable by death.

00:23:37.000 I didn't just have to win the legal battle.

00:23:39.000 I also had to win the PR battle.

00:23:41.000 And those two things are often very separate and distinct.

00:23:44.000 They only have to win one.

00:23:45.000 You got to win both.

00:23:46.000 And in my father's case, you got to win both plus 97 counts with the array designed to make it almost impossible to win.

00:23:54.000 Oh, completely.

00:23:54.000 I mean, they're going to prioritize D.C.

00:23:57.000 because the New York case was too weak.

00:23:59.000 Nobody cared.

00:24:00.000 The Georgia case is so nuts.

00:24:03.000 There's no way that was going to go to trial quickly.

00:24:06.000 In the Florida case, you have a possibility of a fair judge and a fair jury.

00:24:10.000 So that's why they settled on D.C.

00:24:12.000 And they have a lynching judge and a lynching jury pool.

00:24:15.000 And the judge is already trying to contaminate the ability to even have an impartial jury.

00:24:20.000 Because the judge is threatening Trump's lawyers saying, if you do a poll to show that there's actually the jury pool is so prejudiced, you have to let me know in advance.

00:24:30.000 I've never seen a judge do that ever.

00:24:32.000 The idea that a poll could prejudice the jury pool is literally insane.

00:24:37.000 You talk to a thousand people out of a million.

00:24:39.000 So it's almost impossible to prejudice them.

00:24:42.000 It's misuse and abuse of judicial power by this rogue judge.

00:24:47.000 In D.C., it is not possible to get, with that judge and that jury pool, it is not possible to get an impartial jury or anything even vaguely resembling one.

00:24:58.000 I mean, what was extraordinary was President Trump won the sexual assault rape charge with a bunch of liberal Democrats in New York.

00:25:05.000 But that would require an even more bigger achievement in D.C.

00:25:08.000 You're talking about only three to five percent of people in D.C.

00:25:12.000 support the president.

00:25:13.000 Yeah.

00:25:15.000 And that's who they'll keep off the jury pool.

00:25:18.000 Of course.

00:25:19.000 Those will be the 5%. 0.99

00:25:21.000 In a jury pool of 20, they'll find those two people and get rid of them.

00:25:30.000 That will be where they'll use their hatchets. 1.00

00:25:31.000 So you have a 100% stacked jury.

00:25:35.000 And I guess it's why Jack Smith

00:25:37.000 Went to a D.C.

00:25:38.000 grand jury for something they knew would end up in Florida.

00:25:41.000 Talk about that, because you see the insanity.

00:25:44.000 Like, what does a D.C.

00:25:46.000 grand jury have to do with a case that's going to be tried in Florida?

00:25:48.000 Clearly, they were trying to pre-bake the answer because they knew they'd be able to get what they wanted out of it.

00:25:53.000 But doesn't that sort of, I mean, theoretically or legally, wouldn't that take Florida off the table immediately as, you know, just like, mistrial done, like, you can't do that?

00:26:02.000 Or is there some sort of standing that they have to actually pull that off?

00:26:06.000 Because that seems crazy.

00:26:08.000 It's an independent grounds to move to dismiss on venue and vicinage grounds that they deliberately abused the grand jury process because a grand jury isn't roaming.

00:26:18.000 You can't handpick your grand jury to indict somewhere else.

00:26:22.000 And then he not only did that, the chief judge, quite frankly, in DC, conspired in my view

00:26:28.000 I mean, if I as a defense lawyer didn't do these things, I would be in jail!

00:26:31.000 And yet the judges are doing these things!

00:26:49.000 And so I think they have to bring every single motion.

00:26:52.000 Motions to dismiss, motions to continue, motions to stay.

00:26:56.000 I think all these cases should be stayed until the election.

00:26:59.000 If all these cases are so good and so clean, well then there's no need to interfere in the election.

00:27:05.000 Let the people vote with an honest election with no campaign interference.

00:27:09.000 And you can bring the cases back after the election day.

00:27:12.000 And let the American people have a say in all this.

00:27:15.000 Yeah, that's what strikes me as odd, right?

00:27:17.000 The people, the media, all those people that, you know, screamed about democracy, you know, if Trump, you know, tweeted Merry Christmas or something like that.

00:27:23.000 They're losing their minds, you know.

00:27:25.000 They scream when, you know, Putin locks up his political opposition.

00:27:30.000 Awfully silent now.

00:27:31.000 I don't hear any of those people screaming about this.

00:27:34.000 I don't even hear them making the analogy.

00:27:37.000 They're similar but different, because they're not at all different, but that doesn't matter.

00:27:43.000 So rather than even talk about it, they just pretend like it's not even happening.

00:27:47.000 What is going on with that?

00:27:48.000 Because it is striking how flagrant this could be.

00:27:52.000 I have a feeling if the

00:27:53.000 You know, if it was, you know, D and not R under attack, you know, there would be a press, you know, not just Robert Barnes or David Frey talking about it, you know, on their podcast, or Don Jr.

00:28:06.000 Like, there would be actually people who'd label themselves journalists, even if they're just regime propagandists these days.

00:28:12.000 and like talking about these instances and how corrupt and how flagrant it is and how bad it is and yet there's literally not there's almost nothing out there which again why I tell people like you know like share subscribe watch this kind of programming check out Robert on social so you can actually see

00:28:30.000 What, even like, honestly, even like Fox News will not tell you.

00:28:33.000 They won't even talk about these things because, you know, it's, it's, you know, it's not had in polite company.

00:28:38.000 You still want to get invited to the cool person Christmas party in Washington, D.C., and so, you know, you can say some stuff about maybe tax reform, but you can't really talk about

00:28:48.000 This weaponization of our institutions, because they're all doing it.

00:28:52.000 They're all part of it.

00:28:53.000 Or they're fine with it because, you know, if you're fine with it, they'll leave you alone, you can be conservative light, and then you have an easy existence in Washington, D.C.

00:29:01.000 Very much so.

00:29:01.000 I mean, it's very Orwellian.

00:29:04.000 Language means the exact opposite of what language means.

00:29:06.000 All of a sudden, two plus two equals five, and if you say otherwise, you get shocked one more time.

00:29:10.000 And it's the complete distortion of law, the complete distortion of democratic principles, the complete distortion of constitutional history, the complete distortion of America.

00:29:20.000 And what I tell people is this case isn't really just about President Trump.

00:29:24.000 It's about the future of the country.

00:29:25.000 Either we're going to survive or we're not going to survive.

00:29:28.000 And how these cases are handled and how the public responds and reacts on Election Day will shape the future of the country.

00:29:34.000 Because these are cases, I mean, this implicates First Amendment rights in terms of selective prosecution, First Amendment rights in terms of freedom of press, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and the right to petition the government, one of the most foundational rights constitutionally.

00:29:47.000 Every single thing they accused President Trump of, as Professor Turley, a Democrat, acknowledged, if you took out all the First Amendment activities, all you're left with is a haiku.

00:29:56.000 There's nothing else left.

00:29:58.000 Every single thing he's doing is petitioning the government, which is everybody's fundamental right as an American.

00:30:04.000 It was one of the number one things complained about in the Declaration of Independence was the wrongful denial of the right to petition the government.

00:30:12.000 And here we are, the president is petitioning the vice president, he's petitioning Congress, he's petitioning his own Justice Department, he's petitioning the secretaries of states and governors and state legislatures.

00:30:23.000 That's his constitutionally consecrated right.

00:30:26.000 And going back 400 years, the English court said that the right to petition means you cannot criminalize petitioning.

00:30:33.000 And yet that's what they're doing in the Florida case, in the D.C.

00:30:36.000 case, in the Georgia case, in different ways, in different respects.

00:30:39.000 Not just interfering in the election,

00:30:41.000 Not just trying to illicitly indict a president who's been acquitted of the charges in Georgia and acquitted of the charges in D.C.

00:30:49.000 by the Senate going through the constitutional process of impeachment.

00:30:53.000 I mean, there's a guy who's been impeached twice, acquitted twice.

00:30:58.000 His whole, like, macroscopic, microscopic view.

00:31:02.000 I've told people he must be the most innocent New York real estate man in the history of America.

00:31:06.000 Ever!

00:31:08.000 By any doubt!

00:31:10.000 They couldn't find a spec and instead they had to make up fake charges for fake cases, but in the process they're endangering America's constitutional future.

00:31:19.000 You just brought up a good point.

00:31:21.000 I mean, Georgia was tried in the United States Congress.

00:31:26.000 That's what impeachment, to your point earlier in the show, that's what impeachment is designed for.

00:31:32.000 I mean, is there, I don't know enough about it, I'm not a constitutional lawyer or scholar, but isn't that sort of like double jeopardy?

00:31:40.000 You know, and how does that ring true?

00:31:42.000 I mean, I guess, you know, that'll never be viewed that way because the mainstream media, the press, the, you know, DC elite, the big tech will make sure no one even hears that argument.

00:31:52.000 But it sort of feels like, haven't we done this before already?

00:31:55.000 And the answer is we have.

00:31:57.000 Oh, no doubt.

00:31:57.000 In fact, this has been an ongoing legal debate for many decades.

00:32:00.000 It only came up twice.

00:32:02.000 It came up after Clinton was acquitted in 2000 when the Justice Department wrote a legal opinion, same in the early 1970s, and the Justice Department realized there's a conflict of opinions out there.

00:32:12.000 But the language is simple.

00:32:13.000 What it says is, only somebody that is convicted

00:32:17.000 It can be subject to being tried, imprisoned, sentenced, indicted.

00:32:22.000 So the point is, why is that clause there if you can just ignore it and do the same thing to somebody who's been acquitted?

00:32:30.000 And you can realize the public policy reason.

00:32:33.000 All of this is, we don't want the President of the United States subject to any random prosecutor who can say, I'll lock you up if you don't do what I say politically.

00:32:43.000 Then we no longer have a functioning constitutional democracy, no longer have a functional elected president, because he's subject to the whim of any random prosecutor anywhere in America, and there's a lot of those.

00:32:56.000 So, unless the impeachment clause is read in the way that it's actually written in, then we're at constant danger of the presidency being hijacked by wayward, rogue prosecutors.

00:33:06.000 So, that's why I think there's motions to dismiss in all of these cases on those grounds alone.

00:33:11.000 Well, I guess the question is, will that matter?

00:33:14.000 With the level of bias that we've seen, you know, again, the screechers of democracy

00:33:21.000 Strangely quiet.

00:33:23.000 You know, the people that understand these things, if there's a point that favors Trump, conveniently forget that point.

00:33:30.000 I guess the question is, in this sort of weaponized system of justice, can you actually get that fair trial?

00:33:37.000 Even if the Constitution is pretty clear, even if there's – does it even matter at this point?

00:33:43.000 Well, that's the two other things that are really on trial, more so than President Trump, is the American Constitution and its future and the judicial branch.

00:33:52.000 Because the judicial branch is going to confirm to the world, are they still a credible, independent institution that can function in a nonpartisan manner with integrity that's consistent to the rule of law?

00:34:05.000 Or have they been so politically hijacked that they're willing to deprive 75 million plus Americans of their... I mean, President Trump is on pace for more than 80 million Americans, maybe even more than 90 million Americans to vote for him in 2024.

00:34:21.000 Are we on pace that the judiciary will be complicit in a process that denies 90 million Americans their right to vote for whom they want?

00:34:30.000 90 million Americans the president they wish to see in the White House.

00:34:34.000 And so that's where we're going to find out.

00:34:35.000 Now that's where I'm for Trump bringing every challenge possible.

00:34:39.000 And when you have a biased judge, motions to disqualify that judge.

00:34:43.000 Motions to continue proceedings.

00:34:45.000 Motions to stay every single case.

00:34:48.000 Motions to dismiss on the impeachment clause, the supremacy clause, because all of this was while he was president.

00:34:54.000 Every single indictment concerns conduct while he was president.

00:34:57.000 At some level, even the Florida indictment concerns some conduct from when he was president, when he removed the documents.

00:35:03.000 We're good to go.

00:35:26.000 You have Fourth Amendment issues because they invaded his attorney-client privilege.

00:35:29.000 They invaded his privacy.

00:35:31.000 They illicitly seized information.

00:35:32.000 They illicitly obtained information.

00:35:34.000 That also, there's Fifth Amendment implications under the Due Process Clause.

00:35:38.000 And there's Sixth Amendment implications under the Grand Jury Clause because, as you noted, they hijacked the D.C.

00:35:43.000 Grand Jury for a Florida case.

00:35:45.000 There's Sixth Amendment right to counsel issues implicated because they forced his own lawyers to disclose attorney-client privileged information.

00:35:52.000 By the way, how is that, you know, when you read that stuff, I mean, that's just like...

00:35:59.000 Oh my God, right?

00:36:00.000 You see that with some of the co-defendants.

00:36:02.000 Well, you can't have that counsel.

00:36:04.000 We're not gonna give you a deal if you're with that guy, so we're gonna give you, you know, the public defender, and you're gonna sing, and we're gonna then leave you alone.

00:36:12.000 I mean, you know, they're dragging in, like, you know, the handyman, quite literally, you know what I mean?

00:36:16.000 Because he was there for something.

00:36:18.000 They threatened the guy with his life.

00:36:20.000 I mean, in all fairness, you know, for us, at this point, Robert, like, we shouldn't have, but we've gotten used to this.

00:36:28.000 We've gotten used to literally be, like, essentially on trial for our lives.

00:36:32.000 They tried doing it today.

00:36:33.000 Again, treason.

00:36:34.000 You know, it's a crime punishable by death, and you have the head of the Intelligence Committee saying, I did it.

00:36:39.000 Those people are strangely silent on Hunter and all of the times he actually did it.

00:36:43.000 It ended up being nonsense.

00:36:44.000 They altered emails.

00:36:44.000 They lied.

00:36:46.000 They gave that to CNN.

00:36:47.000 They ran with it.

00:36:47.000 The walls are closing in.

00:36:49.000 I've gotten used to that.

00:36:50.000 Now, when they say they're trying me for death, that's like Tuesday.

00:36:53.000 Like, ho-hum.

00:36:55.000 You do that to, like, the handyman.

00:37:00.000 You're telling me that that kind of lawfare, that kind of malice, they'll get that guy to say anything whether it's true or not and I think that's their intention as evidenced by sort of the scoundrels and the records of those scoundrels that they've put in there for the prosecution.

00:37:17.000 It seems clearly intended to do just that.

00:37:20.000 Yeah, that's who Jack Smith is, that's who his team is.

00:37:23.000 Much as Mueller's team, I remember being critical very early on of both Mueller and Andrew Weissman.

00:37:28.000 Well, now just follow Andrew Weissman on Twitter and MSNBC.

00:37:31.000 All the people defending Andrew Weissman have no credibility anymore at all.

00:37:35.000 The Andrew McCarthy's of the world and some others that continue to defend some of the aspects of those cases, they just have no legitimacy because we've seen how partisan and prejudiced they are.

00:37:44.000 And we're just seeing it on full display.

00:37:45.000 But we have these constitutional processes in place.

00:37:49.000 In order to make sure we have the best system for an adversarial process, most likely to give us truth and liberty and the best protection of both, and justice along the way.

00:37:59.000 That's why our attorney-client privilege system exists.

00:38:02.000 That's why rights to due process exist.

00:38:05.000 That's why you can only indict in a grand jury in the place where you're going to bring the indictment itself.

00:38:09.000 You can't use one grand jury to indict in another case, another context, another state, another jurisdiction.

00:38:14.000 You can't do any of these things in order.

00:38:15.000 That's the reason why there's a right to an impartial jury and an impartial judge.

00:38:20.000 Not a judge who's previously stated, basically, she thinks Trump should be locked up before this indictment was ever even brought.

00:38:27.000 Not a jury pool that is so committed to him.

00:38:30.000 Richard Behrs, People's Pundit, has done plenty of surveys on this.

00:38:33.000 D.C.

00:38:33.000 is the most contaminated jury pool in the country.

00:38:36.000 I've told people Martin Luther King had a better chance with an all-white jury in 1950s Birmingham, Alabama, than Donald Trump does in the District of Columbia.

00:38:47.000 And why do we even have a D.C.

00:38:48.000 court system?

00:38:49.000 It was created by Congress.

00:38:50.000 The D.C.

00:38:51.000 is not part of the original states.

00:38:53.000 I agree with Mike Davis.

00:38:55.000 I agree with others that say D.C.

00:38:56.000 needs to be scrapped.

00:38:57.000 Congress needs to retake its authority, get rid of it as a separate... Why should the swamp get to not only judge the swamp,

00:39:05.000 But the swamp get to judge the critics of the swamp.

00:39:08.000 It's insane!

00:39:20.000 Our Founding Fathers had.

00:39:22.000 Though, I imagine they'd be rolling over in their graves if they saw what's happened to their, I mean, about as perfect system as you can get.

00:39:32.000 I mean, it's such a flagrant contempt for all of that.

00:39:36.000 Such manipulation of all of that.

00:39:39.000 And again, though, they've thus far, they've gotten away with doing that quite well and quite effectively.

00:39:45.000 No doubt.

00:39:46.000 And that's what makes it all so scary.

00:39:48.000 That they can do this to a billionaire, former president, would-be future president, is terrifying to the ordinary person.

00:39:56.000 It's how they got to coerce certain people to just make up stories.

00:39:59.000 They weren't able to do that throughout Russiagate.

00:40:02.000 Weren't able to do that through much of these cases.

00:40:04.000 But that's the kind of person who looks and says, if Trump, if they can get him, they can get me.

00:40:09.000 I'm a nothing.

00:40:10.000 I'm a nobody.

00:40:10.000 I'm an ordinary person.

00:40:12.000 It communicates a message of complete crushing of America's constitutional democracy.

00:40:17.000 I mean, what right to petition do any of us have?

00:40:20.000 What right as a lawyer do I have to advocate for someone if, like Professor Eastman, I now can get indicted for it?

00:40:26.000 I mean, I was in Georgia at the beginning of that election contest process.

00:40:30.000 The idea that you could now be sent to prison for simply pointing out the election wasn't done consistent to the rules required by the Constitution and the legislature of the state of Georgia?

00:40:39.000 Literally no one had thought about this.

00:40:43.000 There's all kinds of law review articles built up to 2020.

00:40:46.000 Bill Kristol and his pals game plan doing this kind of activity in the summer of 2020.

00:40:51.000 Nobody is indicting them.

00:40:53.000 I mean, so you have an actual criminal in the White House in Joe Biden, an actual criminal who sought it in Hillary Clinton.

00:41:00.000 Both of them walk completely clean and free.

00:41:03.000 And maybe the most innocent president we've ever had, one of the only people to actually lose money while being in office rather than gain millions of it, is the one being subject to the most extensive lawfare in the history of America.

00:41:16.000 Well, so we talked about the amendments, you know, sort of the violation of the First Amendment, the Fourth Amendment, the Fifth Amendment, the Sixth Amendment, all of these things.

00:41:26.000 But there's also apparently some other push by state Democrats, as well as some of the sort of never-Trump, rhino establishment figures in the, you know, let's call it, quote, Republican Party, to try to get my father off the ballot, citing the Fourteenth Amendment's disqualification clause.

00:41:45.000 How would a case like that play out?

00:41:48.000 How would it have to work out for them to get their way, and what are the flaws with their argument?

00:41:52.000 Not that the flaws, again, the flaws may not matter because of the world in which we live and the sort of, you know, the two-tiered level of justice and enforcement, the way they look at these things, but how would that end up looking, you know, say, in front of the Supreme Court?

00:42:09.000 So legally, their argument is meritless.

00:42:12.000 It's the old Civil War that said that if you, before the Civil War, you took an oath to the U.S.

00:42:17.000 Constitution, then foreswore that oath and took an oath to the Confederacy, that you were thereby not allowed to hold certain offices.

00:42:26.000 And those offices were House, Senate, and Elector for President, or other lower offices.

00:42:33.000 Of note, that clause doesn't even apply to the President of the United States.

00:42:37.000 They explicitly chose to only apply it to the elector, not the President.

00:42:41.000 Why is that, by the way?

00:42:44.000 Quite frankly, because they couldn't even think of it applying to the president because they were applying it to the Civil War Confederates and there was no U.S.

00:42:50.000 president who had betrayed them.

00:42:51.000 There were people who had been senators or house members or judges or lower offices or electors that had, but nobody that, or could be in the future, but nobody that, it was meant to be a disqualification punishment for the people who abandoned the U.S.

00:43:06.000 government for the Confederacy.

00:43:07.000 That's it.

00:43:08.000 Dershowitz has made this point.

00:43:09.000 He's like, applying this outside the Civil War context makes no sense.

00:43:14.000 So that's why they didn't include the presidency.

00:43:16.000 But the other reason that Dershowitz and others would argue is because they wanted the Qualifications and Impeachment Clause to be the exclusive remedy because they didn't want Congress to be able to remove the president without going through the impeachment process.

00:43:29.000 Otherwise, you create a parliamentary presidency.

00:43:33.000 They didn't want some random state official to be able to remove the president, or you no longer have a president functionally.

00:43:41.000 So that was the other reason why they wanted to keep the Qualifications and Impeachment Clause as the sole measurement of the presidency.

00:43:48.000 The second problem is, it doesn't even apply to being on the ballot.

00:43:52.000 It only says you can't hold office if these certain provisions are met.

00:43:56.000 It says nothing about ballot access.

00:43:59.000 And this has been litigated in multiple other contexts.

00:44:01.000 People try to challenge Barack Obama about whether he was a natural-born citizen.

00:44:05.000 People challenge John McCain because he was born in Panama, whether he was a natural-born citizen.

00:44:09.000 What the courts all said in all of those cases and similar cases is that nobody has the authority to remove someone from the ballot.

00:44:18.000 If they otherwise qualify for the ballot,

00:44:20.000 Unless they admit they're not qualified.

00:44:23.000 Like, they say I'm 30 years old or something like that.

00:44:25.000 I'm not, you know, I haven't been here for 14 years.

00:44:27.000 I'm not a natural-born citizen.

00:44:29.000 They say that there's no authority of either any state-level governing official or a private citizen or a court to keep someone off the ballot.

00:44:38.000 To give an example, the most historically analogous circumstance, Eugene V. Debs was actually charged, convicted, and in prison for sedition.

00:44:46.000 Now, he just gave an anti-war speech, but that was the nature of it.

00:44:50.000 In 1920, he was on the ballot all across the country, over 30 states, every state he wanted to be on the ballot on.

00:44:56.000 So this has historical precedent that this doesn't apply to the ballot, doesn't apply to the presidency, that nobody has this authority.

00:45:03.000 This is left to Congress and the Constitution, not left to courts or local state officials.

00:45:08.000 The third problem, of course, is that there are broad amnesties granted twice.

00:45:12.000 This came up in the Madison Cawthorn litigation, came up in the Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:45:16.000 They tried to do this to Madison Cawthorn, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Paul Gosar.

00:45:20.000 They failed in all three cases to get them off the ballot.

00:45:23.000 The fourth problem is, of course, there was no insurrection here.

00:45:26.000 President Trump hasn't even been accused of that.

00:45:28.000 Minor details, Robert.

00:45:30.000 Don't let the truth and facts get in the way of a good story.

00:45:33.000 Stop this.

00:45:34.000 Exactly.

00:45:34.000 So it doesn't even apply.

00:45:36.000 It couldn't even apply.

00:45:37.000 It shouldn't even apply.

00:45:39.000 No honest or honorable court would allow it to apply because it would then allow local officials to hijack the presidency by denying people their right to vote for whom they choose.

00:45:48.000 And so I think a Supreme Court would not allow this for a second.

00:45:52.000 An honest and honorable court wouldn't allow this for a second.

00:45:55.000 That doesn't mean you won't get some crazy, some rogue courts and crazy politicians like the Secretary of State of New Hampshire, who got elected running on a Trump ticket, promising voters he was pro-Trump, who's now saying, oh, maybe I'll try to keep Trump off the ballot in New Hampshire.

00:46:10.000 And then you got, you know, Nutty Newsome doing what he's trying to threaten to do in California just to get another news story in his face in the papers.

00:46:18.000 But legally, there's plenty of precedent that says state and local officials never have authority to remove someone to determine for themselves who is and isn't qualified for the presidency.

00:46:28.000 And it doesn't apply to the president.

00:46:29.000 It's a Civil War provision that doesn't apply in general.

00:46:32.000 And President Trump committed no insurrection anyway.

00:46:36.000 All minor details, but you bring up five pretty valid points that seem to be totally ignored by everyone talking about it as though it's a viable tactic, which, I mean, again, I guess that just shows you where we are in the world.

00:46:48.000 And of course, you know, all of this, honestly, all of this is coming as Joe Biden is implicated in a massive, like, foreign bribery scandal.

00:46:56.000 I mean, you know, think of the insanity.

00:46:59.000 You know, people, you know, if Trump tweeted Merry Christmas, you know, Bob Woodward would be out there.

00:47:03.000 This is worse than Watergate!

00:47:07.000 But Joe Biden actually is way worse than what happened in Watergate.

00:47:10.000 Not even close in my mind.

00:47:14.000 Do you see this as a line for the impeachment inquiry?

00:47:17.000 I know a lot of the people watching right now, and I'll see the comments light up right now.

00:47:21.000 They must go to impeachment right away, but there is some legalese about the inquiry allows you to gather a lot more information that basically shuts off the second you actually go full impeachment.

00:47:33.000 Can you talk a little bit about that because I think sometimes, and I get it because I'm

00:47:38.000 Frankly, one of them, oftentimes, until I find out the details, sort of frustrated with some of the inaction.

00:47:44.000 Now, I'm sure some of it's just the other side stonewalling, us not being aggressive enough.

00:47:48.000 I'm not pretending that's not the case.

00:47:50.000 But there are times, you know, the inquiry allows you to go after a subpoena more information that you wouldn't all of a sudden get if you go right to impeachment.

00:47:59.000 And, you know, if we had a DOJ interested in actually the rule of law,

00:48:06.000 You know, what other crimes could Joe Biden be indicted for?

00:48:08.000 Because it seems like between China, Ukraine, even the Russia stuff, you know, it's just so overwhelming.

00:48:16.000 It's hard to believe.

00:48:17.000 And it's also hard to believe that there's almost no one talking about it. 0.99

00:48:20.000 Yeah, I said that basically Joe Biden is what LBJ is like, just imagine a lot dumber. 0.98

00:48:27.000 Low IQ LBJ, yeah. 0.99

00:48:31.000 That's exactly what he is. 0.98

00:48:33.000 His criminality is as broad, his intelligence is weaker.

00:48:37.000 But basically, he's been the Biden crime family since the early 1970s.

00:48:41.000 He weaponized his office and access to his office and used his family members, his brother, his sister, and then his son when his son was old enough to make it profitable for him.

00:48:50.000 To basically line their pockets, collectively.

00:48:54.000 And now, some of that was lining the pockets of the Democratic political machine in Delaware, the Democratic political machine nationally.

00:49:00.000 It's the real reason why Obama picked him.

00:49:02.000 He didn't pick him because he had some magic appeal to blue-collar voters.

00:49:05.000 This is a guy who's got crushed every time he's run in Iowa, New Hampshire, in the Democratic primaries, including in 2020.

00:49:12.000 It's because he was, you know, Hillary Clinton represented the new wave of democratic corruption with the Clinton Foundation.

00:49:18.000 Joe Biden represented the old school democratic political machine corruption, weaponizing your position in Congress or the Senate in order to line your pockets and those of your family, your friends, and your political allies.

00:49:31.000 And he was a master of it.

00:49:32.000 When I was a defense counsel, or when he was vice president and I was doing criminal defense work,

00:49:38.000 People connected to Biden would come and recruit clients of mine to say if they made a certain contribution or donation, oh, Uncle Joe would make it all go away.

00:49:49.000 And I would tell my clients, stay away from that.

00:49:50.000 Like, you know, those were high profile political cases that could go sideways real fast.

00:49:55.000 Bad idea to get connected.

00:49:57.000 But it was it was so open, so brazen that that's who Biden was and that everybody knew it in Washington.

00:50:03.000 I remember being shocked at the first time it happened.

00:50:05.000 And I do a little inquiry and it's

00:50:07.000 It's open knowledge.

00:50:08.000 That's how Joe operated.

00:50:10.000 He used the family to shake down people out of money all the time on a regular basis by weaponizing his office.

00:50:17.000 So you go through that.

00:50:19.000 You have crimes in pretty much every county or state in the country.

00:50:22.000 I mean, anytime Hunter went through a place, he committed a crime.

00:50:25.000 Yeah.

00:50:25.000 So where are the Republican AGs?

00:50:28.000 Why don't the Republican AGs fight?

00:50:30.000 It feels like that would be an easy one and if we're gonna, you know, we shouldn't be playing this, you know.

00:50:36.000 The Republican AGs should be doing more to hold the Biden crime family accountable because you're right, like, whether it's the LLCs or the passing through or, you know,

00:50:46.000 The prostitution and across state lines.

00:50:48.000 I mean, there's stuff there.

00:50:50.000 If we wanted to play the game like the Democrats, we could easily do it because God knows, I saw what they tried to do with me and there was literally nothing there.

00:50:58.000 Here, I mean, you've got like the, I mean, what's bigger than a smoking gun?

00:51:04.000 Like the smoking atomic bomb of information out there.

00:51:08.000 And it's like, well, you know, we don't want to really, we don't really want to do that.

00:51:12.000 They're not even opening up investigations.

00:51:13.000 I mean, it's the same problem I have with Congress.

00:51:16.000 I understand waiting on impeachment because impeachment can limit the scope of your inquiry, but let's have full-scale investigations and let's not limit it to Biden.

00:51:25.000 We should have it on Biden.

00:51:26.000 We should have it on, in terms of criminal investigations, Joe and Hunter, but on the impeachment inquiries,

00:51:32.000 Have it on some of these rogue judges.

00:51:33.000 These judges are bragging about their illicit behavior.

00:51:36.000 They're showing up to President Trump's arraignment.

00:51:39.000 Nobody's ever heard of that.

00:51:41.000 They're showing up to another judge's arraignment so they can sit there and cheerlead because they're so open.

00:51:46.000 And this includes the chief judge of the District of Columbia.

00:51:49.000 This is outrageous behavior.

00:51:51.000 All of this should be subject to impeachment.

00:51:53.000 It's worse than what Samuel Chase got impeached for as a Supreme Court justice at the beginning of our country, when he politically weaponized the judicial system in order to go after his partisan opponents.

00:52:03.000 And so there's even more grounds here.

00:52:05.000 So I think in the same, but you're right, every local district attorney in America

00:52:09.000 Likely has jurisdiction over both Clinton crimes and Hunter Biden and Joe Biden crimes because of the amount of the money laundering and all the different places they used and all the different facilities they used and all the different places the money came to or went or passed through, as well as the fact that literally if Hunter drove through your town, he committed a crime.

00:52:28.000 Either a drug crime or a prostitution crime that you can somehow be, at some level, can be prosecutable.

00:52:36.000 The fact they're not even opening up investigations.

00:52:39.000 Same with the Clinton Foundation.

00:52:40.000 They were global.

00:52:41.000 They were in every county effectively in the country.

00:52:44.000 Their criminality broadly impacted everybody everywhere.

00:52:47.000 Anybody could have investigated them, and yet nobody did.

00:52:50.000 Whereas by contrast, Democratic prosecutors have put Trump and his family through macroscopic, microscopic inquiry on everything in their entire lives, and all they

00:53:02.000 We're good to go.

00:53:27.000 And what he should be saying is, Judge, these charges should not have been brought and they should be dismissed as a matter of law.

00:53:34.000 Instead, he's AWOL, and this is the Republican Attorney General of Georgia.

00:53:39.000 So there needs to be constant pressure in the court of public opinion for Republicans to simply obey their oath.

00:53:45.000 Nobody's asking them to violate their oath.

00:53:48.000 Nobody's asking them to do what's been done to Trump, the Berea treatment after the old KGB, show me the man and I'll find you the crime.

00:53:56.000 No, they're just saying, we already know the crime.

00:53:58.000 Please just investigate it.

00:54:00.000 What should an agenda like of the...

00:54:04.000 Of a Trump administration.

00:54:05.000 If you had a second Trump administration, what should their DOJ agenda look like?

00:54:10.000 What would you be doing?

00:54:11.000 What would you be doing differently?

00:54:12.000 How, you know, in four years, you know, what are the wrongs that you could remedy to set the path of, you know, the Department of Justice?

00:54:20.000 I use that in major air quotes because it's like, you know, my eyes are rolling in the back of my head so hard I'm going to give myself an aneurysm.

00:54:27.000 But what would that agenda look like?

00:54:30.000 We need a deep six, the deep state.

00:54:32.000 So President Trump's on exactly the right path.

00:54:35.000 And what the Justice Department needs to do is two things.

00:54:38.000 One, they need to just radically shrink.

00:54:40.000 We need to fire as many of these.

00:54:41.000 We don't need this many prosecutors.

00:54:43.000 We don't need this size scale of the FBI.

00:54:45.000 I mean, I think President Kennedy was right.

00:54:48.000 Time to disperse the CIA to the wind.

00:54:50.000 As President Trump just talked about with Tucker, CIA lied to him while he was president, kept information from him while he was president.

00:54:56.000 And he suggested that maybe it's even connected to assassinations that occur.

00:55:00.000 I mean, these are dangerous institutions which threaten the American constitutional experiment.

00:55:06.000 And if we're going to succeed and survive, it's kind of like Lincoln at Gettysburg.

00:55:11.000 If a government of the people, by the people, and for the people is not going to perish from this earth, we need to deep six the deep state for forever.

00:55:20.000 And what a Justice Department should be doing is a very limited focus on deep state corruption.

00:55:25.000 That's where they should be focused on.

00:55:27.000 The Clinton corruption, the Biden corruption, the FBI corruption, the CIA corruption.

00:55:32.000 That should be the focal point.

00:55:34.000 Ordinary everyday Americans leave that to local law enforcement to resolve, not a politically corrupted FBI and DOJ to resolve.

00:55:42.000 I love that.

00:55:43.000 You mentioned him earlier.

00:55:44.000 Mike Davis, friend of the show.

00:55:46.000 I don't think he could get elected Attorney General, but we could have him in there temporarily.

00:55:51.000 So maybe we need a Robert Barnes, Mike Davis temporary AG office to get all of that stuff rolling to take the heat off of anyone else who probably would.

00:56:03.000 I mean, it's going to be a tough position for anyone because

00:56:07.000 All of the people and the powers that be will do whatever they can to stop exactly what you have happening, you know, right now from happening.

00:56:15.000 So, it'll be so important to get people, not just who are good and smart and understand that, but those who actually have the guts, and I'll say the balls, to actually stand up to what's going to be coming for them.

00:56:26.000 You saw that

00:56:27.000 Uh, you know, you saw that with Barr.

00:56:28.000 He talked a tough game for about two days, and then they threatened to impeach him, and he scurried off like a, you know, a scared child, uh, because he still wanted to be loved by that D.C.

00:56:37.000 establishment that he'd been around his whole life.

00:56:40.000 Uh, we don't need that.

00:56:41.000 We need more of the opposite of that.

00:56:43.000 Absolutely.

00:56:44.000 And that's where I think the biggest white pill through all this has been President Trump's reaction to everything.

00:56:49.000 Most people would have capitulated and folded.

00:56:51.000 He has not.

00:56:52.000 And he's giving an example of how to resist corruption, that you need a spine of steel and balls of brass, and you need people who are willing to stand up.

00:57:02.000 When I was a kid, I loved Medgar Evers.

00:57:04.000 So I read his quote.

00:57:05.000 He said, you know, why aren't you afraid to die?

00:57:07.000 And he said, well, most men die a thousand deaths every day.

00:57:10.000 I'm only going to die once.

00:57:12.000 I was like seven years old when I heard that.

00:57:13.000 I was like, that's awesome.

00:57:14.000 I want to be like Medgar Everson.

00:57:15.000 That guy's a badass, yeah.

00:57:17.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:57:17.000 And that's the right mindset.

00:57:19.000 That's the right mentality.

00:57:20.000 When Tucker was asking your dad about, you know, what happens if they're going to probably try to kill you if they can't.

00:57:25.000 And you can tell he just shoves it out of his mind.

00:57:27.000 It's like, he can't worry about that.

00:57:29.000 Yeah, you can.

00:57:30.000 If you did that, I know for me, if you—you know, my lawyers during Russia—you can't—Dot, you can't go on TV.

00:57:37.000 Like, are you kidding me?

00:57:37.000 They'll weaponize it against you.

00:57:38.000 I mean, I heard this.

00:57:39.000 You can't tweet that.

00:57:40.000 You can't—what are you doing?

00:57:41.000 You're gonna—you're gonna go to jail.

00:57:43.000 They're gonna put you in jail forever.

00:57:44.000 They're gonna—probably, actually, in my case, try me for the death penalty, whatever it may be.

00:57:48.000 Like, I go—you don't understand.

00:57:50.000 Like, I just—I can't sit there.

00:57:52.000 Two years later,

00:57:54.000 Two years later, they come up to me and go, you know what?

00:57:56.000 You were right.

00:57:58.000 Now, if you make a mistake, that's a problem, right?

00:58:01.000 Because they'd be on you, right?

00:58:03.000 It was a perjury trap.

00:58:07.000 But as long as you're smart enough to not fall for the flagrant, obvious mistakes, they go, you're right. 0.88

00:58:12.000 They wanted you to curl up in a ball and die.

00:58:15.000 Then you appear guilty. 1.00

00:58:17.000 They got you. 0.99

00:58:17.000 And by the way, when you do curl up in the ball and suck your thumb crying for your mom, 0.99

00:58:23.000 They're not going any lighter. 0.95

00:58:24.000 It's like those who apologize to the mob these days.

00:58:27.000 Like, you know, they didn't do anything wrong.

00:58:28.000 They agree with what they said.

00:58:30.000 They're right by any standard.

00:58:32.000 You know, you see the people backtracking the stuff that they say about, you know, not having, you know, I don't know, men in women's sports or some of the craziness of the trans agenda and three-year-olds transitioning.

00:58:41.000 They say it.

00:58:42.000 They mean it.

00:58:43.000 Two days later, I did not mean what I said.

00:58:46.000 Of course you did.

00:58:47.000 But like, you're caving to the mob.

00:58:49.000 You know, bending the knee doesn't get you forgiveness from them.

00:58:53.000 It just starts the, hey, we were actually right.

00:58:56.000 See, he was wrong.

00:58:58.000 It only starts the onslaught.

00:58:59.000 It only starts the attack, and you can't ever give up.

00:59:02.000 Absolutely.

00:59:03.000 Bending the knee just gets you decapitated, gets you guillotined.

00:59:06.000 That's all that happens.

00:59:07.000 And the system doesn't respect, and this is true of any sort of tyrannical system, it never respects any degree of, they will interpret it as weakness.

00:59:16.000 Any attempt at condolence, any attempt at acceptance, any attempt at tolerance, you have to just full-blown resist and refuse to recognize the threat.

00:59:27.000 It's a sense that if once you realize, this is what Nelson Mandela talked about, when he talks about that poem, I'm a captain of my own fate, I'm the master of my own soul.

00:59:37.000 What he mean by that, even though he was in prison, he meant that once he understood that if they couldn't conquer his mind, they couldn't conquer the movement,

00:59:45.000 That that made him more free than his captors and his people imprisoning him, that that would in turn empower the movement and destroy their effort.

00:59:52.000 Because it's all ultimately about controlling our minds.

00:59:55.000 They want the American people to reject Donald Trump.

00:59:58.000 They want the American people to embrace the system, to embrace the open corruption and falsely accuse the innocent man of being the criminal.

01:00:07.000 And if they can't achieve that, then they don't get their objective.

01:00:10.000 And the whole ballgame reverses.

01:00:12.000 It's like the El Salvadoran president, who they tried to take out multiple ways.

01:00:16.000 What's now, he has a 90% approval rating, dramatic decline in crime.

01:00:20.000 When he was with President Trump, he said, Trump's a cool guy.

01:00:23.000 I'm a cool guy.

01:00:23.000 We all get along.

01:00:25.000 And that part of what unleashed the system against him.

01:00:27.000 And it's the system that now is as weak as it's ever been in El Salvador.

01:00:31.000 And they have a populist icon as president.

01:00:34.000 So Trump is paving the path for how to respond to this extraordinarily dangerous corruption.

01:00:41.000 And if people follow it, it will be like following Paul Revere's warning sign and will protect and save and salvage American liberty for another generation.

01:00:50.000 Yeah, it's all one big PSYOP.

01:00:51.000 You just can't fall for it.

01:00:53.000 They can take out the world's most powerful man, but they can't take out 175 million Americans, half the country, that finally gets it and becomes unafraid.

01:01:02.000 I mean, a whole tenet of the show, you've got to become unafraid.

01:01:04.000 You've got to be able to have these conversations.

01:01:06.000 You can't just, OK, well, we'll turn the other cheek.

01:01:09.000 We have to engage in that dialogue.

01:01:11.000 And when you do, I think you'll realize there's so many more people just like you out there.

01:01:17.000 And you know that success begets success sort of the breaking away from you know the shackles of fear uh allows you to do that and once you realize it's like oh wow like I'm not the only one not even close but they want you to believe that you are which is why they're trying to divide and conquer that way so you know Robert you know before we leave as we look ahead to the 2024 election talk a little bit about

01:01:39.000 What the Trump campaign, and frankly what others, because I think you're going to need to do this with Congressional candidates and Senate candidates and others, but talk about what those campaigns can do legally to stop any of the, you know, Democrat dirty tricks.

01:01:55.000 Because I imagine there's going to be a lot of them.

01:01:57.000 You already see it, you know, just when we thought it was, you know, the Ukraine war season was just wrapping up and we still have our decorations up, you know.

01:02:05.000 We got a new vaccine coming!

01:02:06.000 We got mask mandates!

01:02:08.000 We got spikes! 0.99

01:02:09.000 Now, you know, no one's actually seeing it. 0.99

01:02:10.000 It's all bullshit, but that doesn't matter. 0.97

01:02:13.000 They're gonna jam this down our throats because, hey, we're getting into election year and we're gonna have a pandemic every four years and probably in some off-cycle years where it matters and, you know, the control of the Senate may matter. 0.98

01:02:25.000 And so, talk a little bit about what people can do and what those campaigns should be doing and focusing on

01:02:33.000 To prevent the inevitable shenanigans, whatever they may be.

01:02:38.000 Again, they should just follow, really, Trump's example.

01:02:41.000 So, for example, even though Trump's been completely shut out, censored, attacked, lied about, liable, defamed in the mainstream media, the ordinary person still hears him because he constantly goes around them.

01:02:51.000 Whether it's using Truth, whether it's using Rumble, whether it's using rallies, whether it's Tucker on Twitter, he continues to get direct access to the American people.

01:02:59.000 And ordinary candidates should do the same.

01:03:02.000 So that's part one.

01:03:03.000 Continue to use the alternative, independent, free speech part of free tech to get around big tech, big media, big government collusion to censor their message.

01:03:13.000 Secondly, whatever you do, if you're a candidate out there, don't hire anybody from Washington, D.C.

01:03:18.000 that's part of the professional political class.

01:03:20.000 These are the people that cost us 2022.

01:03:21.000 They said, oh, keep your distance from Trump.

01:03:25.000 Keep your distance from MAGA.

01:03:26.000 And all that did was cost us Senate seats, cost us governorships, cost us a bunch of places.

01:03:31.000 Stay part three.

01:03:33.000 Be proactive.

01:03:34.000 Like Carrie Lake has continued to fight the election fraud that took place in Arizona in 2022, be proactive also ahead of the game.

01:03:41.000 Get smart, sophisticated.

01:03:43.000 Look at what Mark Elias does for Democrats, and we need to match that on the Republican side.

01:03:47.000 Match that on the conservative side.

01:03:49.000 Match that on the popular side.

01:03:51.000 I'm hoping that Robert Kennedy does the same in the Democratic primary process.

01:03:55.000 That, you know, defend your constitutional rights and liberties, and Robert Kennedy's doing that.

01:03:58.000 He brought suit against Google for its censorship efforts, challenged the Biden administration, demanded Secret Service protection.

01:04:05.000 I think you'll be seeing more suits brought soon on his behalf, pushing back against these illicit attempts to censor and suppress his message.

01:04:13.000 All candidates do the same thing.

01:04:15.000 And the ordinary person, stay engaged.

01:04:17.000 Stay involved.

01:04:19.000 Don't take the trick of thinking, I can't do anything.

01:04:22.000 The election's going to be stolen.

01:04:24.000 They're going to imprison Trump. 0.94

01:04:26.000 I should just shut my mouth. 0.51

01:04:27.000 I should just keep my job.

01:04:29.000 And I understand ordinary people have things they've got to worry about.

01:04:33.000 But in the same way, if you do all that you can do to make a difference within using the legal remedies available to you, using the available court of public opinion, they don't obsess over what you think if what you think did not matter.

01:04:50.000 They don't obsess over what you say, if what you say did not matter.

01:04:54.000 So remember that power, use that power, because it's the power that brought about America in the first place.

01:05:00.000 And if we remember our past, then we know the path to a better future.

01:05:05.000 Yeah.

01:05:05.000 Now, listen, I agree with you 100%.

01:05:07.000 That's why I tell people, you know, like, share, subscribe, this kind of, you know, content, yours.

01:05:12.000 You know, where can our viewers find you, Robert?

01:05:15.000 Oh, at VivaBarnesLaw.Locals.com is where they can find all the content.

01:05:21.000 All right, and you're on the usual socials?

01:05:23.000 You're on Truth, I know that.

01:05:24.000 You're on Twitter, etc.?

01:05:28.000 Yeah, just Barnes underscore Law.

01:05:30.000 All right, well, guys, check him out.

01:05:32.000 You know, Robert's out there.

01:05:33.000 I mean, he gets into, you know...

01:05:35.000 Sometimes so far into the weeds on the legal theory, but it just shows you, once you actually know what's going on, the sort of high-level messaging of the Democrats and the people trying to shut down the America First movement, it doesn't actually fly.

01:05:48.000 So, you know, it's just great content.

01:05:50.000 Robert, thank you for all that you do.

01:05:52.000 Thank you for being on the show, and we'll have to have you back, because I imagine there will be a lot to talk about in the coming months, if not years, as the insanity continues.

01:06:02.000 No doubt.

01:06:03.000 Glad to be here.

01:06:04.000 Thanks, man.

01:06:04.000 Appreciate it.

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