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00:04:29.000And guys, joining me now, founder of the O'Keefe Media Group is James O'Keefe.
00:06:46.000Well, and Congress is now getting involved, Don.
00:06:50.000Senator Rubio, Congressman Gates have written to the FEC, written to the chairwoman of the FEC. It's alarming reports there.
00:06:58.000You see from the field, citizen journalists, some of them work for me, some of them just inspired to do this on their own.
00:07:05.000Fraudulent donations being reported to the FEC by ActBlue.
00:07:10.000A lot of individuals, mostly senior citizens, we found living in lower middle class to middle class homes have reportedly donated thousands of times to ActBlue a year.
00:07:22.000These people have no idea that they're doing this.
00:07:25.000Some of these interactions are quite funny.
00:07:27.000The one in Annapolis, I knocked on the guy's door and he said he wants to shoot Donald Trump in the head.
00:07:33.000It's people, obviously Democrats, but they're shocked that thousands of dollars of money is being apparently laundered through their home address.
00:07:44.000Now, as Rubio pointed out in his letter, it comes as no surprise to act blue serves as a vessel for fraud, considering there's no institutional security or safeguards ingrained with their donation processes.
00:07:55.000They don't require a CVV number on the transaction.
00:07:58.000So we haven't yet figured out, Don, Who or what is exactly behind this?
00:08:03.000We just know that there is fraud and that thousands of dollars, thousands of times, are going through these innocent people's addresses.
00:08:16.000I look at some of these congressional races and Senate races across the country, and the Democrats are outspending the Republicans 10 to 1.
00:08:22.000I mean, the money is coming from somewhere, and they certainly don't have a shortage of sort of globalist billionaires that would be willing to fund those things.
00:08:31.000But it seems like, you know, there are limitations to what those people can fund individually, so maybe this is how they've done that.
00:08:38.000And I mean, if you've just discovered that many, you know, if this is tens of thousands of people, I mean, this could be just literally game-changing and obviously extremely illegal.
00:08:46.000But again, there seem to be consequences only one way right now, unfortunately.
00:08:52.000Well, I did speak to Peter, a guy named Peter Election Watch.
00:08:56.000This is a group in Wisconsin that gathered a lot of this FEC data.
00:09:00.000And he's about to file a complaint, a federal lawsuit.
00:09:03.000And without getting into the specifics, he has talked to me about some of this tracing they've done, trying to figure out where is this coming from.
00:09:14.000And according to him and the software that he's using, he's saying 60%, 60% of the money seems to be coming from China, according to Peter Election Watch.
00:09:25.000He's working with a few different companies to look into that, including a bank that they say is responsible for a lot of these transactions, a bank called Amalgamated Bank, the DC branch.
00:09:42.000Congressman Gates put out a release saying that he is going to be talking to the FEC and he has legislation titled Put Zombie Donors to Rest Act that would amend the Internal Revenue Code to require a CVV number on these transactions because we don't know why there is such little security when it comes to ActBlue.
00:10:04.000We don't know why they're allowing for this sort of thing to happen.
00:10:07.000Well, I think they're fine taking it, and it should be no surprise to people that if it is funded by China, when you look at the Democrats' policies today on China, you understand that, you know, they're America-last, China-first, almost shockingly so.
00:10:22.000I mean, it's so flagrant now, it's ridiculous.
00:10:24.000So it wouldn't surprise me that a lot of them would be funded by China.
00:10:29.000Right. And a lot of citizen journalists are asking a lot of good questions.
00:10:33.000This story literally launched OMG because I felt that a lot of people want to get involved.
00:10:38.000A lot of people want to knock on doors.
00:10:39.000It's an easy thing for people to do, to knock on the doors of these Democrats and to say, hey, did you donate $30,000 to Joe Biden?
00:11:33.000Well, listen, I hope that you've done that.
00:11:35.000I hope that you're inspiring other people to get out there and ask the real questions.
00:11:39.000I mean, there's such a dearth of that in our actual mainstream media.
00:11:44.000You know, the people who are journalists, it's amazing how little journalism they want to do.
00:11:48.000They just want to sort of parrot the Democrat narrative.
00:11:50.000I mean, they've gone after you countless times.
00:11:53.000I mean... I don't think they've ever proven you wrong, but they go after you when you're breaking stories that you think they would be all over.
00:12:02.000So you'd mention OMG. I love the acronym for O'Keefe Media Group.
00:12:07.000You founded Project Veritas, but you're not there anymore.
00:12:11.000Can you tell us a little bit about what happened there?
00:12:14.000You know, I imagine they regret their actions because I look at you as Project Veritas.
00:12:21.000You're the guy, and we'll get to this one later, you know, that went in there dressed like a pimp trying to get acorn donations to fund a brothel.
00:12:30.000I mean, I thought that was sort of amazing, you know, just the way this all started.
00:12:34.000But then you really started breaking, you know, big stories.
00:12:38.000You know, tell us a little bit about what happened and really now what you're trying to accomplish with OMG, your new group.
00:12:46.000Yeah, that Acorn story also, Hannah Giles went in there with me some 13 years ago.
00:12:53.000The mission of OMG is to decentralize journalism.
00:12:57.000It's to empower other people to do what we do here.
00:13:02.000We have a very big story coming next week, actually.
00:13:05.000I think perhaps even more significant of an institution than Pfizer was.
00:13:11.000And Pfizer is very, very powerful and controls the majority of the advertising dollars on television, which is one of the problems you have in media, which is that journalists are beholden to their advertisers, which include Big Pharma.
00:13:23.000But the institution that we're about to investigate is even bigger than that.
00:13:27.000And it takes independent people, Don, to...
00:13:54.000And so OMG's mission is really to get people to take these classes that we're offering next month that really open up, open source all of my knowledge on ethics, on the law, on technology, on how to identify a story and how to go undercover.
00:14:12.000And give that to people because everyone wants to find and expose corruption.
00:14:20.000They just need some help. So we have a core staff right now, some really great people working with me, and I hope to inspire other people to do what I do.
00:14:30.000Well, listen, I hope so, too, because, again, I think there's probably so much more out there.
00:14:34.000I mean, it's perhaps a little bit what I'm trying to do here on Rumble, right, where I have a platform of free speech.
00:14:41.000I can take things further than they'll ever take on, you know, frankly, either side of the mainstream media spectrum.
00:14:48.000So I think, you know, that's super important.
00:14:49.000But having people that have, you know, the guts...
00:14:52.000The willingness to go in sort of undercover this way to get, you know, entrenched in an organization and talk about what's really going on is huge.
00:15:20.000But we can teach you all the other things.
00:15:24.000You mentioned ingratiate yourself or getting in there like a guy like Christian Hartsock.
00:15:28.000He went into that Democracy Partners group, which you talked about.
00:15:33.000I remember on the air in 2016, backstage, you were live with Hannity talking about that.
00:15:40.000That took a long time for him to build the trust of Scott Fogle and catch all those guys on tape saying they were punching people at rallies and getting paid to foment violence and these sorts of things.
00:15:53.000That took a lot of effort and it took a long time to do that.
00:15:58.000But I think there's a lot of people out there that can do that.
00:16:00.000So on our website, O'KeefeMediaGroup.com, you can sign up to be a journalist and we have over 1,000 people.
00:16:06.000That have signed up to do this, and we're sort of deploying them and dispatching them, including a series of institutions that you'll see next week.
00:16:16.000That's great. So, you know, when the Project Veritas breakup went public, I noticed there seemed to—it turned into, like, let's call it a little bit of a proxy war with what seemed to be a lot of Trump supporters sort of vocally having your back, and then some of the more— Like, DeSantis established many people, not so much.
00:16:37.000Is there anything that that, you know, reveals about, you know, Project Veritas or maybe, you know, Matt Tamarind and some of the behavior of all of this?
00:16:48.000The people that had, you know, that stuck with Project Veritas corporate were very much that way, whereas sort of it felt like all of the Trump people were very much with you and your mission.
00:17:05.000From my perspective and what I went through, I am choosing to, I guess for lack of a better way of putting it, take the high road on this and not even feed into it because if I say anything at all, and I certainly am allowed to in the sense that I'll speak about anything, But I feel like any reaction I give is just going to be used against me.
00:17:36.000There's room for a lot of people doing this.
00:17:39.000We need a lot of people exposing this.
00:17:41.000I gave this 45-minute long departing...
00:17:46.000I don't know if you saw that, but it was back February 20th, my last day there, and I said everything there is to say about the whole thing, everything I knew.
00:17:57.000There are circumstantial evidence and some things that I could opine on, but I really don't want to say something unless I actually have evidence of it.
00:18:07.000And in that speech, I talked to my staff about what I know to be 100% true.
00:18:16.000I mean, things happen in life and sometimes unfair things happen, but we learn from it and we become better as a result of it.
00:18:23.000I mean, one of the things I learned is about boards.
00:18:26.000When you're a non-profit, it's not owned by anybody.
00:18:30.000There's a board of directors. And right now, I 100% own OMG. And I will never let anybody influence or stop me or anything from...
00:18:45.000I'm saying the stories I want to tell, saying what I want to say and doing what I want to do.
00:18:50.000And I'll probably be a more effective messenger as a result of this.
00:18:53.000Learning more about people and more about how to run a company.
00:18:58.000I spent 14 years, 15 years building the credibility of an institution by Year after year, day after day, doing what I felt was right.
00:19:11.000And I think it's important for people to do what's right.
00:19:14.000Not what donors tell you to do or what advertisers tell you to do.
00:19:18.000And sometimes there's a lack of a distinction there.
00:19:21.000I never did what donors told me to do.
00:19:24.000I did what I felt was right and we built quite a movement as a result of it.
00:19:31.000And I'm going to do the exact same thing in a different way.
00:19:34.000I'm going to do it in a better way, I think, because I've learned from what I've been through.
00:19:40.000Fair enough. So you talk about, you know, credibility for a second.
00:19:43.000You know, why is it that liberal journalists are always so quick to try to discredit your stories?
00:19:49.000And they, you know, they seem to fail.
00:19:51.000I think you used to have a sort of a wall of retribution where people had to come back and apologize and retract their statements about it.
00:19:59.000But if you put something out within seconds, they're discrediting it almost faster than they could have possibly even watched What you actually said, what you actually discovered.
00:20:45.000But I think by and large, there's a part of me that actually would say that Believe it or not, when it comes to me and what I'm doing and hopefully what happens next week too, that people are actually more united.
00:22:14.000I had a couple, you know, during the Russia, Russia, Russia, I was like three or four times, you know, the walls are closing in, Don Jr., XYZ, and it turns out to be all bullshit.
00:22:23.000But, you know, they won't even retract the story when they know it's wrong, right?
00:22:27.000The Adam Schiff when he changed the date in the emails and all this kind of stuff.
00:22:41.000You're always trying to get the retraction.
00:22:43.000The other thing is that I took so much satisfaction in that because even their little victories, their little accomplishments, so people loved them.
00:22:51.000Sometimes I felt like there's a proverbial saying, you're farting into the wind.
00:22:57.000People loved them because you're getting little victories.
00:23:03.000We talked to the general counsel of these Of these news organizations and we talked to them and they'd say, okay, we'd actually build good relationships just by virtue of emailing the bosses at these news organizations.
00:23:36.000And there was one time we got a retraction from a, I think it was a Newsweek guy, or Daily Beast guy, one or the other, I can't tell the difference.
00:23:43.000And he was called a, quote, breaking news intern.
00:23:48.000So they had a breaking news intern and then I gave air to the fact that there exists someone called breaking news intern and then like they let the breaking news intern go.
00:23:59.000So for me it was like therapeutic to just get up in front of a camera for 10 minutes and do this and I'll see how I'll continue this.
00:24:08.000But I think people are afraid to report on my stories now because they're going to get a retraction request.
00:24:17.000Yeah, no, I had a similar instance with one of the recently bankrupted sort of leftist or, you know, journalistic entities, so to speak, where they came to me a couple years ago and they were like, in 2000, it was like 13 years earlier or something, it was like, you were on Jeffrey Epstein's plane and we have two people that will say that I was like, I wasn't.
00:24:39.000Like, I guess I went to some event that apparently he was at or something and They were like, well, we're writing it.
00:24:46.000We're doing this. And literally, it was one of those weird things.
00:24:49.000I remember who I flew down with, a friend of mine on his plane.
00:24:52.000And his pilot had the records from 13 years ago.
00:24:55.000So after this long back and forth of like, hey, if you do this, I'm going to sue you.
00:25:00.000And here's the flight logs that show you that I wasn't with him, yada, yada, yada.
00:26:20.000It's not to be a victim, but I'm like, damn, what I'm going through with these lawsuits and the diary thing with the FBI. And they go, well, if you think you have it bad, you should talk to this other guy that was in the White House.
00:26:33.000But my point is, for 10 years, I was going through all that.
00:26:39.000And it was just remarkable how many retractions that I was able to obtain from the media.
00:26:45.000And I think I've made like one or two mistakes in my career.
00:27:08.000Yeah, I can't help but think that if it was like, you know, the Don Jr.
00:27:11.000diary, you're obviously talking about the Ashley Biden diary and stuff like that.
00:27:15.000I know you went through a lot of headaches with it.
00:27:17.000They've tried tying me into that one somehow as well and all of this craziness.
00:27:21.000But, you know, I can't help but wonder, like, if it was mine and I said the things that she said in there, that it would be a really big story.
00:27:29.000It wouldn't be Secret Service trying to, you know, get a hold of it and people trying to be arrested and all of this stuff.
00:27:34.000I think it would be front page news and Yeah, the question is, would they be raiding New York Times reporters, if a tipster sent them that information and if they were trying to corroborate it, that's the question.
00:28:13.000would they raid New York Times journalists like Adam Goldman, Mark Bazzetti, and Mike Schmidt,
00:28:19.000national security reporters, who by the way, deal in classified information and documents stolen
00:28:26.000by somebody else and sent to them all the time.
00:28:29.000That's the bread and butter of what those guys do.
00:28:32.000So to celebrate in those rights and then celebrate when another journalist,
00:28:37.000his head is chopped off, is really the height of evil.
00:28:41.000And it shows them for what they are, which is they have no principles.
00:28:44.000And by the way, some of them do have principles because they've come to my defense.
00:28:47.000Like Ben Smith at the New York Times tweeted out, journalists should not be cheerleading this attack on James O'Keefe.
00:28:53.000I mean, Ed Snowden's organization came to my defense.
00:28:55.000I think that on some basic level, even they are shamed into having to defend me because they know how horrible it looks.
00:29:04.000And frankly, they're worried it's going to happen to them.
00:29:07.000Well, they should be, but I think, you know, you see that.
00:29:11.000I mean, you saw that with the FBI raid of Mar-a-Lago, right?
00:29:13.000The documents that are classified, you know, within two hours, there's pictures in the Washington Post of the documents that they spread out on the floor.
00:29:21.000I mean, it's those people in government that are enforcing, you know, are supposed to enforce the rules that are actually leaking to certain.
00:29:29.000They're not going to leak to you. Yeah.
00:29:30.000You're getting them from actual credible sources.
00:29:32.000But documents that have been under lock and key, under guard of the Secret Service, amazingly enough, the first time anything actually leaks about them is from the FBI to the Washington Post.
00:29:43.000So, you know, again, just in terms of alignment of interests, what they're supposed to be doing, I mean, you know, this is a pretty messed up world we live in.
00:29:53.000Yeah, and they wouldn't leak to me, but what they would not know is that they were being recorded unbeknownst to them by me or my people.
00:30:01.000So that's why we use hidden camera videos, because that's when you're more honest.
00:30:06.000And frankly, when the people in the government or the administrative state are leaking to journalists, oftentimes they're manipulating the journalists.
00:30:18.000They're giving them untrue information.
00:30:19.000Of course. According to people familiar with the matter, I mean, you know how the game is.
00:30:23.000Look at the shiny object. It's right over here.
00:30:24.000Follow it. Don't look where we actually...
00:30:26.000And the journalists allow themselves to be manipulated, especially at the New York Times and Washington Post.
00:30:31.000And that's why it's so important to see the video, to see the lips moving.
00:30:41.000And I think it's going to be much more – it's going to broaden its appeal to thousands of people because, like I keep saying this, they can stop one man.
00:30:51.000They can probably shut me down, turn me into a martyr, although that will backfire.
00:30:55.000But they can't stop – They can't stop a thousand, ten thousand.
00:31:40.000So if you're the only guy out there, yeah, sure, they can figure out a way to take out the one guy.
00:31:44.000If you've got thousands of people sort of independently out there doing this, you know, it changes the dynamic entirely.
00:31:53.000Yep, it does. And I think that they're afraid of the people doing this in Moss.
00:31:58.000O'Keefe Media Group, if you click on the upper right hand of the screen, you can scroll down and become a journalist and we will ship you cameras.
00:32:05.000We're shipped out hundreds of cameras to people across the country.
00:32:10.000In fact, someone just broke a story in Miami last week with Anthony Fauci and NIH. Someone recorded a convention and Think of it like Uber for journalism, dispatching cameras to people and dispatching people to places where they can record.
00:33:04.000I'm here for people who want to follow their conscience and do the right thing.
00:33:07.000And I think there's a lot more people out there that feel that way now than there used to be.
00:33:13.000A hundred percent. And I imagine you're going to get a lot of people that are watching this that are interested because so many people on this show, I even see it in the comments here, what can we do?
00:33:21.000How can we help? Well, this may be a way.
00:33:23.000I mean, if you're entrenched in some of these organizations, if you're a conservative stuck in one of these woke corporations and you feel like you're getting trampled on, you can think whatever you want, the radical leftist side, you can be the most crazy person in the world.
00:33:37.000And You'll be fine at HR, but if you're a God-fearing Christian in some of these corporations, I feel like you'd be thrown out in two seconds.
00:33:43.000It's like, guess what? You guys can be a part of this.
00:33:45.000Because I know enough people that, you know, they've tried to get along.
00:33:48.000They've tried to put it, but every value that they have is being trampled on.
00:33:54.000And I think so many of them are going to hit a breaking point.
00:33:56.000So, you know, guys, go check it out. Go sign up with James.
00:33:59.000And, you know, if you're at that point where you have something interesting to give,
00:34:03.000this could be your way of helping and more importantly, fighting back.
00:35:01.000I was always very passionate about The lack of – the bias and the lack of fact-finding in journalism.
00:35:07.000So I started a college newspaper at Rutgers where I went to school because I was passionate about that and I turned my righteous indignation into action.
00:35:18.000So for all of you out there thinking, well, I don't – how can I help James?
00:35:24.000I would say how can – what do you think you can do?
00:35:28.000I'll help you do it, but you got to do your homework wherever you live, whatever institution you want to investigate.
00:35:34.000If you have an idea, let me help make that happen.
00:35:37.000I would say that's the mission of OMG. Well, 100%.
00:35:41.000I mean, listen, by the way, I think you nailed it.
00:35:43.000Listen, I think so many of the breaking stories, it's like you get people to go on dates with other people, and that's when they spill the beans.
00:35:50.000But I think you nailed a certain subject when you talked about school boards.
00:35:55.000There's so much insanity going on, and I think...
00:35:58.000People can turn a blind eye to some of the wokeness and stuff like that.
00:36:17.000So I think the school board sort of approach is number one.
00:36:22.000When people talk about elections, I was like, hey, get elected to your school board.
00:36:25.000I think we can do so much more not letting our children be indoctrinated for 20 years than you can running for Congress or something like that.
00:36:32.000So people can start small, but that is definitely, to me, that'd be a number one place.
00:37:54.000What's going on? I mean, all that's separating you from doing that, the people out there in the comments, the only thing separating you from doing that is yourself.
00:38:43.000Well, it took them a little while, but, you know, this is from the White House that told us they were going to bring decency back to the White House.
00:38:55.000So, you know, you can't give away all your secrets, obviously, or maybe you will in sort of the class for the people that you're teaching how to do this.
00:39:02.000But how do you get all these different people from all these different investigations to go on dates?
00:39:45.000Those sorts of things. There are lines we don't cross and sometimes it's hard to know if you're starting out what the ethics boundaries are.
00:39:54.000But we get information from people in every possible way you can imagine.
00:39:58.000I mean, you imagine it, we get the information.
00:40:03.000We've met some of our subjects in airports, in TSA lines.
00:40:07.000We've met our subjects because they'll send us a cold message.
00:40:10.000It's unlikely that a government agent would just send me a signal message.
00:40:14.000That's highly unlikely. In most of those cases, they're trying to set me up.
00:40:18.000As you can imagine, people are always trying to set me up.
00:40:21.000Just two months ago, an FBI guy sent me a bizarre message saying that it was perfectly fine to record FBI agents, but it was not okay to be recording those union officials in the teachers union.
00:40:31.000That didn't make any sense, and it was an immediate red flag.
00:40:34.000Yeah. Yes, some of our girls do meet with subjects over various dating apps.
00:40:43.000And sometimes it's challenging to have one, two, three, four meetings without even touching the person.
00:40:49.000But they'll have to create an alibi or a reason why it makes sense that they don't kiss or touch a few dates.
00:40:56.000And oftentimes undercover work is about finding what someone needs We're good to go.
00:41:23.000Many, many, many more of these lessons.
00:41:25.000I'm just covering the 30-second version.
00:41:28.000We'll be covered in these classes that you can sign up for on O'KeefeMediaGroup.com.
00:41:33.000You'll get access to this, and we'll certify people in being undercover journalists.
00:41:39.000Very exciting thing that's happening next month.
00:41:43.000Well, that sounds awesome. So I'd like to ask you about, you know, you had a good friendship with Andrew Breitbart, you know, someone who definitely, you know, changed a lot of the landscape of journalism, someone who was unafraid and tried to be discredited.
00:41:55.000I think, you know, one of the institutions now that's actually doing some real journalism work.
00:42:00.000What influence did that friendship with Andrew Breitbart have on your career and your trajectory?
00:42:06.000Because it seems like that would be a big, big part of it.
00:42:10.000I mean Andrew was a force of nature and he died March 1, 2012, so some 13 years ago.
00:42:40.000That's hard to believe. I've seen you chasing people down the streets.
00:42:44.000But I get it. There's a persona on stage and there's a persona off stage.
00:42:48.000So it changes. Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of a performer in the sense that that's that part of me, that justice part of me that's performing to expose this topic.
00:42:59.000But generally speaking, you know, I don't necessarily derive my energy from shaking hundreds of people's hands, like many people in politics do.
00:43:09.000But Andrew was this larger than life presence and he was able to hold media accountable
00:43:16.000while also being friendly with journalists, which is very difficult to do.
00:43:20.000It's a very difficult balance to strike.
00:43:22.000I would say he was one of my mentors, particularly when it came to how the media operates.
00:43:27.000Now the media has changed, Don, since Andrew was alive.
00:43:30.000When Andrew was alive, when I knew him between 2009 and 2012,
00:43:34.000people had conversations with each other.
00:43:36.000Like he would actually talk to Dave Weigel at Slate and the Washington Post.
00:43:40.000Yeah, there was a pretense of objectivity.
00:43:43.000There's a pretense of honesty and that feels like it's gone, right?
00:43:47.000There's no more conversations anymore.
00:43:49.000I mean, everyone's in their own camp and has a defense posture.
00:43:55.000Twitter is more robust than it used to be.
00:43:58.000You're kind of preaching to your audience.
00:44:00.000So in the media landscape that Andrew...
00:44:49.000I want to get to Acorn one second, but you talked about being a showman.
00:44:54.000Explain to us your obsession with show tunes.
00:44:57.000It's actually something I think you share a little bit in common with my father, who loves a lot of that theatrical musicals and stuff like that.
00:45:04.000I got to hear a little bit about this and where it came from.
00:45:08.000Well, I don't know where it came from.
00:45:09.000God, my parents aren't into musical theater.
00:45:15.000I saw... When I was 15, I saw Little Shop of Horrors in high school, and I don't know why, because I didn't like the movie version with Rick Moranis very much, but I saw the Off-Broadway version, and I don't know why, but I resonated with Seymour.
00:45:34.000So I tried out for The Wiz, and then I tried out for George Gershwin's Crazy For You, and I, at 18 years old, got the leading role, Bobby Child, in George Gershwin's Crazy For You.
00:45:44.000So I was tap dancing and singing and dancing around.
00:46:31.000There can only be one truth. So I think being an artist, being a performer, has helped me immensely.
00:46:37.000In my storytelling, in my pursuit of what's right and what's true.
00:46:42.000And frankly, some of the people that work with me have this background and more power to them because you have to be an improvisational actor to go meet with someone undercover and think of all these creative elicitation ideas.
00:46:56.000So I think there's a lot in common with performing and truth-seeking.
00:47:15.000So I do have to ask. We touched on Acorn a little bit.
00:47:18.000But when you look back on that experience, I mean, literally, you know, dressing as a pimp, going to get funds to start a brothel.
00:47:27.000You know, when you broke that story, what do you remember about the experience?
00:47:30.000What did you learn from it? It was, I mean, hilarious and so extreme and yet almost perfect in that this was one of these just corrupted institutions that you could actually do that and people, you know, you could have been considered serious because that's basically what they were doing.
00:47:48.000I wrote a book about this called Breakthrough.
00:47:50.000It became a New York Times bestseller.
00:48:52.000We release them one at a time. Hint, hint, next week they'll be one at a time.
00:48:56.000And they'll say, well, that's just an isolated incident.
00:48:58.000They're so tempted to say, well, that's just one person doing that fraudulent act.
00:49:03.000Yeah. And then you release more tapes and then more tapes and then more tapes.
00:49:07.000So you kind of have to play – you have to be guerrilla in not only how you obtain the information but guerrilla in how you release the information.
00:49:16.000And I kind of knew that because I had done some lesser stories like some Planned Parenthood videos and some things in college.
00:49:22.000I knew it intuitively but to live it and to see the Washington Post – Carol Lenning at the Washington Post say that I'm racist.
00:49:31.000For investigating ACORN. It was like, I was so shocked and appalled by that state.
00:49:37.000She had to print a correction, by the way.
00:49:39.000Front page. But nobody ever remembered that part.
00:49:41.000Well, now that's like the easy button of the political left.
00:51:15.000I'm just saying I'm probably blessed to be able to compartmentalize it that way because if it did get to you the way that it did initially, like it appears like it got to you initially, it'd be pretty hard to get through the day.
00:51:28.000Yeah, it was difficult, and I consider myself a relatively fearless person who doesn't focus on the secondary effects or the defamation on Wikipedia.
00:52:17.000Stay tuned. Well, James, thank you so much for that.
00:52:19.000By the way, if there's one thing, one theme that I'm seeing just in the comments, if I'm looking down, it's because I'm looking at the comments.
00:52:26.000It's that, you know, my watchers, they think you're a hero.
00:52:30.000I've seen that pop up dozens of times.
00:53:22.000They see what's happening and how they're trying to take out Not just the leading political opposition to the regime in charge, but the leading opposition to the Uni Party, to permanent Washington.
00:54:45.000Not the guy that's actually an evil dictator despot who's trying to lock up the political opposition, just so we're clear.
00:54:53.000So check out this from Fake Tapper on CNN. Whatever this spectacle is that's unfolding before us, let's remember what this case is about.
00:55:02.000Let's remember what this indictment charges.
00:55:04.000Again, Donald Trump is charged with a series of federal felonies for mishandling the most sensitive government documents that we have, and for obstruction of justice, along with Walt Nauta.
00:55:16.000Who is charged with intentionally setting up lies to the grand jury, to the FBI. Any way you look at this, and again, despite whatever may be going on in that restaurant, this case isn't going to be settled legally in a cafe.
00:55:28.000It's going to be settled in the court based on the facts and law.
00:55:30.000The folks in the control room, I don't need to see any more of that.
00:55:32.000He's trying to turn this into a spectacle, into a campaign ad.
00:55:37.000That's enough of that. We've seen it already.
00:55:44.000Because, again, the people of Miami, very disproportionately Cuban, Venezuelan, people who have escaped the regimes, the kinds of regimes that lock up their political opposition.
00:56:00.000So if they show love for my father, the next day was his birthday, they're singing happy birthday to him, it's because they've seen this show before.
00:56:09.000So fake tapper Can talk about those things, and he can try to separate the reality, what people are seeing, what they've seen for now, you know, the better half of a decade, going against Trump.
00:56:26.000How many of the conspiracy theories that they talked about, about Trump, end up being proven wrong?
00:56:58.000And my challenge to those people watching right now is that it's up to the news media, it's up to networks like this, and it's up to the prosecution to understand how voters think and feel.
00:57:10.000Because if they don't, they will actually help Trump succeed.
00:57:16.000So let me get this straight. The prosecution has to change their tactics to sway popular opinion.
00:57:33.000Trump's not controlling the narrative.
00:57:35.000They're going after him with bullshit.
00:57:39.000It's so ridiculous that even the haters are saying it's ridiculous.
00:57:44.000It's so contrived that everyone's seeing it.
00:57:47.000If they didn't do that, if they just left them alone, that wouldn't be happening.
00:57:52.000But there's even Trump haters out there that are saying, and I agree with many of them, like, hey, man, I don't really, you know, I don't want to be Trump.
00:58:14.000That's evidenced by what's happening in the Republican primary polls.
00:58:18.000Everyone else is dropping down because people understand that every single other person in there is just going to do What the establishment tells them.
00:58:30.000They say all these things on TV, but then they fold.
00:58:32.000You see it happen time and time again.
00:59:01.000The media, who would be all over these things, when it happens in third world countries, we're talking about invasion to prevent it from happening anymore.
00:59:10.000And yet, when it happens right here, Crickets.
00:59:14.000Politics are even a presence in the legal team prosecuting my father.
00:59:21.000In case you didn't know, you remember Karen Gilbert?
00:59:35.000Karen Gilbert, an AUSA who I tried cases against in Miami when I was a federal public defender, was a 20-year prosecutor down there, is the deputy special counsel to Jack Smith.
00:59:50.000Don't listen to me. Don't listen to you.
00:59:52.000Go pull the Ali Shagan case from 2009.
00:59:54.000Karen Gilbert is the head of the narcotics unit at the Miami U.S. Attorney's Office, the number one prosecutor.
01:00:01.000And you know what she does? She authorizes an illegal wiretap of the defense attorney talking to the investigator during the prosecution of that case.
01:00:11.000And forget about reprimands and unethical conduct.
01:00:14.000The district court judge in that case Issued a blistering opinion and was about to throw her out of the Justice Department before what?
01:00:23.000She was reassigned out of that position and years later promoted through the ranks.
01:00:29.000And now this same prosecutor is on the team charging Donald J. Trump while at the same time, I find it ironic, this prosecutor went before a federal judge to break attorney-client privilege.
01:01:59.000But, you know, he's the guy they're going to bring in to go after Trump because he's a war crimes prosecutor with a shady track record who will apparently do anything to Including, let's just say, bend or break the rules to get his guy.
01:02:14.000Gilbert is apparently a long-time Democrat donor.
01:02:19.000Congressman Matt Gaetz revealed on Tuesday that Gilbert has, quote, made thousands of dollars in donations to Biden for president, Obama for America, the DNC, the Democrat National Committee Victory Fund, And the Obama Victory Fund, according to FEC records, which confirm all of this.
01:02:42.000Honestly, guys, how does a case like this even move forward?
01:02:47.000You really think that someone like this, or Jack Smith with his record and his wife producing the Michelle Obama documentary, do we really believe That between that and the ethical issues they've had in their past, that they could prosecute a case even a little bit objectively?
01:03:07.000How can someone who's clearly a Biden backer be allowed to prosecute Biden's biggest political rival?
01:03:19.000This whole thing is a joke and a sick one at that.
01:03:22.000They care so little about keeping this country together, about the rule of law, about the Constitution, that they don't even hide it when they're clearly acting in a corrupt fashion.
01:03:37.000This is a political persecution to take out their opponent at all costs.
01:04:06.000I've seen everything but attempted unity.
01:04:10.000I've seen the vilification of half of the voting populace on a daily basis.
01:04:15.000While giving a platform to the most radical, insane people out there.
01:04:19.000That's what I've seen from this administration.
01:04:21.000And get this, during the 8pm hour of Fox on Tuesday, you know, the lower third, the little chyron, banner read, wannabe dictator speaks at the White House after having his political rival arrested.
01:04:35.000Actually seems pretty accurate to me, but of course, Fox actually caved to the outrage.
01:04:40.000They probably fired, you know, the young conservative intern that did that, thinking that that would make sense on conservative TV, and released a statement.
01:04:48.000The chyron was taken down immediately and was addressed.
01:04:51.000In other words, that wasn't the feeling of Fox.
01:05:27.000He's laughing at you, at us, at every American who thinks that maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't have a president that takes bribes in the White House.
01:05:39.000Again, folks, like, just use logic and reason for a second.
01:05:45.000Do you really think that China gave Hunter Biden billions of dollars like a crackhead?
01:05:50.000You think they didn't figure that out in their diligence process?
01:05:53.000Or do you think they did it precisely because they could influence the U.S. government?
01:05:59.000Same with Ukraine and the no-show jobs and the Russian oligarchs and all the money that came in to this guy who hadn't done anything seemingly before.
01:07:14.000Now that we know it didn't, and it's reversed, and it's clear, because that's the Democrat tactic, accuse others of doing what you're actually doing, watch what he had to say.
01:07:57.000What sort of business was Joe Biden doing that could garner him $10 million?
01:08:04.000I think we know. I think we know, folks, because we've seen Joe Biden on the stage, and it's not like he's racking up points for being a great public speaker.
01:08:16.000The Federalists just reported that the Bidens allegedly coerced a foreign national to pay them $10 million in bribes.
01:08:26.000Huh, where have we seen that $10 million number before?
01:09:41.000I don't think any of us believe in coincidence anymore.
01:09:45.000Would we have ever even known about it if the Republicans didn't win the House?
01:09:50.000We need to clean house at the DOJ and the FBI, obviously.
01:09:57.000If they'll sit on that, what won't they sit on, right?
01:10:00.000These are the same people that accused concerned mothers at PTA meetings of being domestic terrorists, so let's stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.
01:10:10.000They don't deserve even a little bit of it.
01:10:15.000Democrats don't care about actual crime.
01:10:20.000They'd rather protect the criminals and jail those who are trying to stop them.
01:10:26.000Because, get this, Daniel Penny, who intervened on a New York subway back in May to save those who were being violently threatened by a career criminal and mental illness patient, I guess, or The people that were there and were witnesses said that...
01:11:02.000Penny was a hero, and yet he was indicted on one count each of criminally negligent homicide and second-degree manslaughter, and he faces up to 15 years in prison.
01:11:15.000The guy who stopped the criminal is the one that's being charged.
01:11:31.000It's why they want to disarm Americans.
01:11:35.000It's why they want to take out good Samaritans like Daniel Penny who will stand up for the weaker and for the afraid, who has not only the ability but the courage to do so.
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