Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - "The Police State" is here: What's Next? Interview with Dinesh D'Souza | TRIGGERED Ep.89

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00:05:29.000 you hey guys welcome to another huge

00:05:55.000 episode of triggered The great filmmaker Dinesh D'Souza is joining us on the show today to discuss his new movie, Police State, which exposes how the left is using law enforcement to target its political opponents.

00:06:12.000 I can personally verify that this is true.

00:06:15.000 Frankly, anyone who's been watching for the last few years can verify that.

00:06:19.000 But, you know, the attacks on me and my family have been a little bit more personal.

00:06:22.000 You also know Dinesh from his major films like 2,000 Mules, Trump Card, and Death of a Nation.

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00:06:49.000 So check it out. But tonight's episode is going to be fun.

00:06:52.000 I'm also going to be watching for your guys' questions because I know so many of you guys, it's not just about complaining about these things.

00:06:58.000 It's about actually getting results.

00:07:01.000 What can we do to change the trajectory of our country?

00:07:06.000 Because right now, it's going downhill really fast.

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00:07:36.000 So I can assure you, you're not going to want to miss tonight's interview with Dinesh.

00:07:40.000 But before we get to that, I want to talk about another interview.

00:07:46.000 Elon Musk was at a New York Times event yesterday and was asked about major advertisers like Disney and the Washington Post, boycotting X, formerly Twitter, and pulling their ads.

00:08:00.000 Elon actually had the perfect answer.

00:08:05.000 Watch for yourselves. If you will.

00:08:08.000 This had been said online.

00:08:10.000 There was all of the criticism.

00:08:12.000 There was advertisers leaving.

00:08:13.000 We talked to Bob Iger today.

00:08:16.000 You hope... Don't advertise.

00:08:18.000 You don't want them to advertise?

00:08:19.000 No. What do you mean?

00:08:23.000 If somebody's gonna try to blackmail me with advertising, blackmail me with money, go fuck yourself. 1.00

00:08:33.000 But... Go fuck yourself. 1.00

00:08:37.000 Is that clear? I hope it is. 1.00

00:08:40.000 Hey, Bob. If you're in the audience.

00:08:43.000 Well, let me ask you then...

00:08:46.000 That's how I feel. Don't advertise.

00:08:51.000 I love how he calls out Bob Iger, CEO of Disney.

00:08:55.000 Hi, Bob. You know, who's been pushing seemingly, like, just never-ending pedo crap and trans nonsense down everyone's throats ad nauseum. 1.00

00:09:03.000 But imagine how much better the world would be if more people had this attitude. 0.99

00:09:08.000 Liberal boycotts only have power if we give into their pressure.

00:09:13.000 They want people to cower.

00:09:15.000 They want you to beg for forgiveness.

00:09:18.000 And when you do, and you apologize, even though you didn't actually do anything wrong,

00:09:23.000 that's just the start of the assault.

00:09:25.000 You get no credit for the apology. 0.99

00:09:27.000 That, to them, is the acknowledgement that they were right, even if it was always bullshit. 1.00

00:09:32.000 Go fuck yourself is the only answer to these sick people. 1.00

00:09:38.000 Hey guys, it's actually why we spent so much time and started Public Square. 1.00

00:09:43.000 So we could link people who have a similar ideology.

00:09:46.000 so you can give your hard-earned dollars to people who share your beliefs as opposed to giving it to Disney or

00:09:53.000 Starbucks or the woke corporations that hate your guts hate your values and would put you in the gulag

00:10:00.000 So if you haven't already for Black Friday and Cyber Monday and Giving Tuesday and all of this stuff going on before

00:10:05.000 the holidays Go check out public square.com where you can have a

00:10:10.000 marketplace of people who think like you do I imagine that goes for just about everyone except for some

00:10:15.000 of the trolls in the comments that are watching this what's important

00:10:19.000 If we fight back, they can't win.

00:10:21.000 If we just sit back and be helpless, it's a whole different story.

00:10:26.000 You should have no respect for the so-called liberal elite guys.

00:10:30.000 In case you haven't noticed, they are completely unimpressive in just about every way. 1.00

00:10:36.000 Most of them are total morons. 1.00

00:10:39.000 Just look at our Secretary of Education. 1.00

00:10:43.000 Miguel Cardona.

00:10:44.000 Watch what he has to say here and wonder to yourself if this guy should be in charge of America's education or perhaps the fact that people like this guy are in fact in charge of our education.

00:10:57.000 Why we are failing miserably on a world stage and kids can't read or do basic math when they graduate high school.

00:11:07.000 Watch for yourself. We're going to set up follow-up calls with every governor we met with to make sure we're available.

00:11:14.000 As I think it was President Reagan said, we're from the government.

00:11:17.000 We're here to help. There are resources there, there's technical assistance there, and there's a playbook that could support the work you're doing.

00:11:26.000 Count on us as a partner in this.

00:11:28.000 Our students are waiting. Thank you.

00:11:31.000 Guys, now, of course, this imbecile completely butchered the quote. 0.97

00:11:37.000 It's the exact opposite, literally the exact opposite of what Reagan said and what he meant. 0.98

00:11:44.000 Here's what Reagan actually said.

00:11:47.000 Watch for yourself in your own words.

00:11:48.000 I'm sure you guys know the quotes because you have a functioning brain, unlike our Secretary of Education.

00:11:55.000 Nine most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

00:12:03.000 Just think about that, folks. 0.99

00:12:05.000 The education secretary, the guy who's in charge of setting education policy in the United States of America, is a complete buffoon. 0.87

00:12:15.000 He actually quoted the inverse of what Reagan said. 0.99

00:12:20.000 He tried saying the government is a great, helpful partnership, as opposed to Reagan, who basically said that anything the government touches turns to shit, which is, of course, accurate. 0.98

00:12:29.000 If you've been watching the Biden administration, you know that's 100% true. 0.99

00:12:33.000 But this is not an isolated incident.

00:12:36.000 The whole Biden administration is like this.

00:12:40.000 For example, the Department of Homeland Security just sent out a directive to Border Patrol agents telling them to use, and I quote, gender neutral language.

00:12:53.000 And to ask illegal immigrants for their preferred pronouns.

00:12:57.000 Now, I'd love to see the body cam footage of this actually going down.

00:13:02.000 Because while I'm not for this, I imagine it would be better than any episode of Cops ever filmed.

00:13:09.000 Watching migrants, confused as to what the hell a pronoun even is, and that there are more than two genders, apparently. 0.53

00:13:17.000 And And trying to go through the 9,476 genders that they claim are out there, this is what they're worried about.

00:13:25.000 Not, you know, human trafficking.

00:13:28.000 Not the sex trafficking of minors.

00:13:31.000 Certainly not the fentanyl crisis that has turned every state in America into a border state.

00:13:36.000 A drug that has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans.

00:13:40.000 Of course, that's not the Biden administration's concern.

00:13:43.000 It's making sure that we use the migrants' preferred pronouns. 1.00

00:13:47.000 I have a feeling that exactly zero of these migrants, whether we like it or not, have preferred pronouns because they probably actually have real stuff to worry about in their lives one way or the other after going through that journey.

00:14:02.000 Biden wants the Border Patrol to use they-them pronouns and to let them come into the country without fear of deportation because of course they do. 0.95

00:14:12.000 It doesn't matter if it brings incredible violent crime.

00:14:17.000 Look at the rape statistics in Europe, Sweden, and Germany, and where all of it comes from.

00:14:23.000 It happens to be the migrants, but that doesn't matter as long as they'll vote Democrat forever. 0.97

00:14:29.000 Who cares about what happens to your children?

00:14:31.000 Who cares about what happens to our infrastructure?

00:14:34.000 Whether it's healthcare or education or otherwise.

00:14:37.000 You saw the education secretary.

00:14:39.000 Clearly, education, intelligence, is not a priority for the Democrats.

00:14:45.000 Just votes and power. 0.89

00:14:47.000 The focus is not on deportation.

00:14:50.000 It's on preferred pronouns.

00:14:52.000 Instead of, I don't know, say stopping Hamas terrorists from coming into our nation. 0.99

00:14:58.000 It's not surprising the Biden administration doesn't care about stopping Hamas at the border.

00:15:03.000 After all, the left is in love with Hamas. 0.79

00:15:06.000 Just look at these leftists at an Oakland City Council meeting this week defending Hamas.

00:15:15.000 It's amazing stuff.

00:15:19.000 Israel murdered their own people on October 7th. 0.91

00:15:23.000 Calling Hamas a terrorist organization is ridiculous, racist, and plays into genocidal propaganda that is flooding our media and that we should be doing everything possible to combat.

00:15:31.000 I support the right of Palestinians to resist occupation, including through Hamas, the armed 0.54

00:15:36.000 wing of the unified Palestinian resistance.

00:15:53.000 Seriously, it's all the rage, apparently, in the LBGTQIA++ insanity. 0.74

00:16:00.000 Watch and see for yourself.

00:16:03.000 I just started reading the Quran and I am so excited about it.

00:16:06.000 People thought when I... I mean, it's literally incredible.

00:16:15.000 Liberal lunatics are completely delusional when it comes to radical Islam. 0.98

00:16:21.000 Just look at this tweet of a banner saying... 0.98

00:16:26.000 And I quote, Trans liberation can't happen without Palestinian liberation. 0.66

00:16:32.000 Now guys, we've been talking about this a lot on the show.

00:16:34.000 We should send them all over there and see how it works out.

00:16:38.000 They should have a parade or something.

00:16:41.000 Again, my personal advice, don't go to building rooftops because...

00:16:46.000 We still can't fly.

00:16:48.000 And even if you identify as a bird, that's not going to change the fact that you can't fly and that they'll throw you off a building.

00:16:55.000 Something tells me that a transparade will not exactly be well-received in Gaza. 1.00

00:17:01.000 But that doesn't stop these idiots. 1.00

00:17:03.000 It doesn't stop them. 1.00

00:17:05.000 You see what's going on now in Ireland, where they want to jail Irish people for putting up Irish Lives Matter.

00:17:14.000 You know, I didn't see a problem with that.

00:17:16.000 No one had a problem with it when other lives mattered, say, during the summer 2020 of love.

00:17:22.000 Those sorts of things, that didn't matter.

00:17:24.000 That was wonderful.

00:17:25.000 Now they want to jail you for that for hate speech. 0.87

00:17:28.000 But... You know, if an Algerian stabs a bunch of children and there are protests, you have immigrant counselors elected to office in Ireland that literally want to shoot the protesters in the head. 0.67

00:17:44.000 That's not hate speech. 0.85

00:17:45.000 That's just fine.

00:17:46.000 This is what we're allowing to happen to the civilized world, folks.

00:17:51.000 And it's not good. And it doesn't end well.

00:17:54.000 And while it's fun to mock the left... 0.98

00:17:57.000 For all this radical insanity, these communists are dangerous. 0.94

00:18:03.000 Just last night, just last night, in New York City, they started a riot at the Rockefeller Center Christmas tree lighting event. 0.92

00:18:14.000 See for yourself.

00:18:29.000 The pro Hamas left doesn't just hate Israel, right guys?

00:18:33.000 It's not just about Israeli occupation and the Jews. 0.95

00:18:36.000 They hate America. 0.99

00:18:38.000 They hate Christianity. 0.99

00:18:39.000 They hate democracy.

00:18:41.000 They want the totalitarianism that they have accepted in their own countries.

00:18:48.000 They want to import that here and elsewhere.

00:18:52.000 That is all they bring.

00:18:54.000 They hate all that is good on this earth.

00:18:56.000 It's not just about the narrative.

00:18:58.000 It's about everything.

00:18:59.000 They want total control.

00:19:02.000 They will take it.

00:19:03.000 They will use our insanity against us so we capitulate totally to their will, to their 0.86

00:19:09.000 needs.

00:19:10.000 But once they get that power, folks, your freedom and everything that you would hold

00:19:15.000 dear would be gone.

00:19:17.000 Just watch what they've done everywhere else.

00:19:20.000 It's not going to be different here folks.

00:19:23.000 Not all cultures are created equally.

00:19:26.000 The left is even going after children.

00:19:30.000 Trying to enjoy a football game.

00:19:32.000 Far-left woke sports blog Deadspin recently attacked a nine-year-old Kansas City Chiefs fan for having face paint on.

00:19:40.000 He called it blackface.

00:19:41.000 They said he was wearing blackface. 0.99

00:19:43.000 We're gonna destroy this kid's life. 0.73

00:19:45.000 He wasn't wearing blackface. 1.00

00:19:47.000 It was half red, half black.

00:19:50.000 The team colors of the Chief.

00:19:52.000 Deadspin then attacked him.

00:19:55.000 For, quote, Native face.

00:19:58.000 Something that I don't know that we've ever heard of.

00:20:00.000 And probably anyone who had been to a Chiefs game, or perhaps in the past, the Washington Redskins before the woke took over that and turned it into commanders, or the Atlanta Braves had traditionally done.

00:20:12.000 Now we have Native face.

00:20:15.000 The only issue, folks?

00:20:17.000 The kid is Native American.

00:20:21.000 The kid may have his revenge soon.

00:20:23.000 Hopefully he sues the hell out of them.

00:20:25.000 This sort of weaponization against all that is good and innocent, all that we've ever done traditionally as a country, It's a problem, and we can't just let it continue.

00:20:38.000 Everything's racist to the radical left.

00:20:40.000 That's the easy button.

00:20:42.000 They'll go after anything, okay, until we say enough is enough.

00:20:49.000 Christmas is coming early for us, folks.

00:20:53.000 I'll have this, this is the feel good story of the day, because we gotta sometimes end on a good note.

00:20:58.000 Journalists are getting fired, left and right.

00:21:01.000 Today, Vox and Vanity Fair announced layoffs.

00:21:05.000 The fake news journalists are perhaps gonna have to learn to code.

00:21:08.000 They can easily be replaced by AI, unlike say someone like a farmer,

00:21:13.000 or someone who actually has a skill.

00:21:16.000 Maybe now, but I doubt it, but maybe now, they'll start to hate biodynamics as much

00:21:23.000 as everyone else does.

00:21:24.000 New data reveals that the typical American household now has to spend an extra $11,000 a year to maintain the same quality of life they had in 2021.

00:21:38.000 $11,000, okay?

00:21:41.000 With the average income of a family in America being what?

00:21:43.000 $60,000, $65,000?

00:21:46.000 That's a lot, folks.

00:21:47.000 And it's going to crush a lot of good, hard-working people.

00:21:51.000 But Biden clearly doesn't have a handle on this.

00:21:55.000 He doesn't have a hand on his own faculties.

00:21:58.000 The guy is clueless.

00:21:59.000 He thinks my dad is now a congressman, if you can believe that.

00:22:05.000 Instead of cutting him, it's like Congressman Trump and Beaufort wanted to do.

00:22:12.000 I mean... Every day. 0.98

00:22:15.000 There's not a day that goes by that he doesn't have a serious mental breakdown.

00:22:23.000 Biden's cognitive implosion is why special counsel Jack Smith is not only targeting my father, but now he's targeting the entire America First movement.

00:22:37.000 It was recently revealed that Jack Smith, you know, this is the prosecutor that's going after my dad for her insurrection, you know, the first unarmed insurrection in the history of the world, got a warrant for a list of Twitter users who have favorited or retweeted tweets posted by my father's account.

00:22:58.000 Think of that. He had like, what, 80, 90 million people?

00:23:00.000 Anyone who interacted with that account is now on a list by the government.

00:23:06.000 That's a list of tens of millions of Americans, if not more.

00:23:11.000 This is tyranny.

00:23:12.000 But the good news is, there are signs that it's backfiring on Biden.

00:23:17.000 Here's Tucker Carlson explaining how the Mar-a-Lago raid convinced him to be all in on Trump 2024, echoing the sentiment of more and more Americans each and every day.

00:23:33.000 Trump supporter when they raided Mar-a-Lago last summer, the summer of 2022.

00:23:38.000 That can't stand.

00:23:39.000 No, that can't. And I agree with Trump on a lot.

00:23:42.000 But even if I disagreed with Trump on a lot, I'd still be a Trump supporter because you cannot allow that.

00:23:46.000 You cannot allow the regime, the President of the United States, to use the Justice Department to knock the frontrunner out of the race. 0.70

00:23:54.000 You can't do that. No, you can't do that.

00:23:56.000 So it's bigger than Trump.

00:23:57.000 It's bigger than Biden. It's a question of, you know, do you want to live in a free country with a functioning justice system, you know?

00:24:03.000 That's exactly right. And so I'm voting for Trump.

00:24:06.000 And if they convict him, I will send him the max donations and I will lead protests.

00:24:10.000 That's how I feel. That was Tucker Carlson on Roseanne Barr, another friend of the show.

00:24:18.000 And this is why I'm glad we're having Dinesh on the show tonight.

00:24:22.000 His movie, Police State, is about the weaponization of law enforcement.

00:24:27.000 Here's part of the trailer so you can see for yourself.

00:24:33.000 Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations Of our republic.

00:24:47.000 Chief Division Council and DOJ have approved a no-not breach.

00:24:52.000 We want the subject to be on display.

00:24:55.000 Doing the walk of shame, full visual impact.

00:24:59.000 Any questions? Are we becoming a police state?

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00:27:28.000 So guys, with that, joining me now, great filmmaker, America First Patriot, the man who made the movie about the police state, Dinesh D'Souza.

00:27:42.000 Dinesh, welcome aboard, man.

00:27:43.000 How are you? Hey, thanks a lot.

00:27:46.000 Great to be with you and looking forward to our conversation.

00:27:50.000 Well, likewise. And I think, you know, a lot of our friends are here as well because, you know, we're seeing these things.

00:27:55.000 I mean, the movie is timely.

00:27:56.000 I mean, we know what's been going on.

00:27:59.000 We saw, honestly, what they did to you versus the way everyone on the left was treated as it related to campaign finance donations.

00:28:06.000 You see what they've done to me.

00:28:09.000 What, you know, far worse, what they're trying to do to my father.

00:28:13.000 You know, You know, a thousand years in prison and the death penalty.

00:28:16.000 I'm not really sure what, but that doesn't really matter anymore.

00:28:20.000 But this week, the stuff with Jack Smith subpoenaing the records to find out anyone who may have interacted with Trump on Twitter.

00:28:30.000 A platform where, I don't remember what the number was, but he had like 80 million followers.

00:28:35.000 I mean... How much worse is the police state than we ever even imagined?

00:28:42.000 I mean, again, I know it's bad.

00:28:43.000 We've been woken up to that.

00:28:44.000 Our eyes are open.

00:28:46.000 But it seems so much worse than we could have possibly imagined, like so much else that we're getting our eyes open to.

00:28:54.000 Yeah, I think that the police state is rendered even more creepy by the fact that it marches behind the banner of law.

00:29:02.000 And so if you follow the business with Jack Smith and Beryl Howell, the judge, you know, Jack Smith makes a motion.

00:29:10.000 She approves the motion.

00:29:13.000 Then Jack Smith suggests that your father, you know, Donald Trump might be a flight risk of some sort.

00:29:21.000 The judge goes, yeah, that might actually be the case.

00:29:24.000 So I guess what I'm saying is that you've got this naked brutality, this absurdity of collecting all the people who like President Trump's tweets.

00:29:35.000 Why would you want to do that unless you were trying to create some sort of database information?

00:29:39.000 Some kind of list of political enemies so that if not Jack Smith, somebody else in the Democratic camp could start going after those people.

00:29:48.000 But all of this is done as if to say we're going through a legal process.

00:29:54.000 So our police state pretends to be saving democracy and upholding the rule of law and affirming freedom and protecting truth from misinformation and disinformation.

00:30:05.000 So the job of a movie like mine is to strip the facade, remove the veil, show people the sheer thuggishness that lies behind this emerging police state.

00:30:15.000 Yeah, I mean, it's sort of the movie you hope you never actually have to make, right?

00:30:20.000 I mean, this feels like some sort of despotic film, but it's a documentary because it is actually happening.

00:30:29.000 It means things have gone from bad to worse.

00:30:33.000 What did you learn while putting it together that perhaps you weren't aware of otherwise?

00:30:38.000 Yeah. Talk about that process where it started, you know, to where you got to the finished product and what you learned in that process.

00:30:47.000 Well, part of it, you know, the start of it was I was thinking back to my early career in America and how I always thought of America as the leader of the free world.

00:30:56.000 I contrasted America with the unfree world, which, of course, was North Korea, China, the old Soviet Union. 0.98

00:31:03.000 And then I said to myself, well, let's make...

00:31:06.000 A list of the defining characteristics of these tyrannical societies, these police states around the world.

00:31:13.000 You have mass surveillance of citizens, systematic censorship, ideological indoctrination in the schools and the media.

00:31:21.000 You have criminalization of political differences, the attempt to lock up the leader of the opposition party.

00:31:27.000 You have political prisoners So I go down that checklist and I say, well, how many of those things do we see now here in the United States?

00:31:35.000 And the answer, dismayingly, is all of them.

00:31:37.000 To one degree or another, all the defining features of police states are now evident in our own country.

00:31:43.000 It's a shocking and disturbing realization.

00:31:46.000 Yeah, I mean, it certainly seems that way, right?

00:31:48.000 When you think of the other police states of the world, obviously, I think China comes to mind, right?

00:31:53.000 We're not really different.

00:31:56.000 Perhaps the only difference that I can actually think of at this point is that there are still those out there in America who are naive enough to believe that we are actually different, that we are the Constitutional Republic, that everyone says we are.

00:32:10.000 It's like, no, we're not.

00:32:12.000 We're actually living in that same police state, which probably makes it worse.

00:32:16.000 Because until guys like you are making movies like this or guys like me are calling it out or they see what's going on to my father, you're living in a world through rose-colored glasses.

00:32:29.000 We're looking at a prism that is painting a much more beautiful picture than what actually exists.

00:32:36.000 What are the sort of police state tactics that you expect to see in the next year that

00:32:41.000 lead up to this election?

00:32:43.000 Because I imagine there's going to be a lot of them and a lot that haven't been talked

00:32:46.000 about yet or haven't been done yet beyond the lawfare, what they're trying to do to

00:32:50.000 my father currently.

00:32:51.000 Absolutely.

00:32:52.000 Look, we are we are not a full fledged police state, because if we were, I couldn't make

00:32:57.000 a movie called Police State.

00:32:58.000 So we are an emerging police state.

00:33:01.000 I would say on a scale of 1 to 10, we are somewhere around 6.

00:33:05.000 But I'm also struck by the speed at which we have gone from 1 to 6.

00:33:11.000 So while all of this may go back to 9-11 and some of the expansion of surveillance powers given to the government at that time, the truth of it is much of this has happened just under Biden.

00:33:21.000 So just in the last two years.

00:33:23.000 And the pretexts are somewhat different.

00:33:25.000 Some of it could be COVID. Some of it could be January 6th.

00:33:28.000 But whatever the pretext, the movement is in the direction of greater unfreedom.

00:33:34.000 So I think that we are now at a critical point where the big question is, what will the opposition do?

00:33:41.000 What will the Supreme Court do?

00:33:43.000 What will the Republicans do?

00:33:45.000 What will Republican attorneys general and secretaries of state do? 0.99

00:33:49.000 Because it's my firm view that the passivity of the Republicans provokes the aggression of the Democrats and of the left.

00:33:57.000 It's like a bully. If he finds that the kids are all running scared, the bully gets even more excited and wants to increase the bullying tactics.

00:34:05.000 The moment the kids decide, let's get together and ambush this guy in the back alley and kick him in the shins, then he's going to feel a taste of his own medicine. 0.93

00:34:12.000 Then the bully begins to think twice. 0.99

00:34:14.000 Yeah, no, I think that's right.

00:34:16.000 And I think, I do think that people are waking up to that.

00:34:19.000 And I understand, you know, there's consequences to this.

00:34:21.000 I mean, you faced him.

00:34:23.000 God knows I faced him.

00:34:24.000 My father has faced him. But when it was sort of Donald Trump going out there by himself and he's taking all the slings and arrows, Man, it's actually easy to take out the most powerful man in the world.

00:34:34.000 They could do it quite easily.

00:34:36.000 Now that people are awake, now that they're starting to understand that, if they get vocal, if they get involved, I think we make it a lot harder for them.

00:34:46.000 The bullies are usually only bullies when they are running scared, but the second they get actually someone pushing back on them, it changes dramatically.

00:34:53.000 What are the things that just ordinary Americans...

00:34:57.000 Can do to push back against it.

00:35:00.000 Again, I think their eyes are open now.

00:35:02.000 Donald Trump probably exposed...

00:35:03.000 I imagine what was going on for quite some time.

00:35:06.000 They were just able to do it sort of under the cover of night because there was no one actually calling them out.

00:35:12.000 There was no one sort of taking them on directly.

00:35:15.000 So even if there was something, they just, you know, they kept doing what they did subtly.

00:35:19.000 But what are the...

00:35:21.000 Things that you could recommend to people to do to prevent it from happening.

00:35:25.000 Because there is a point where if the pendulum gets too far, it's over.

00:35:30.000 There's a point of no return.

00:35:34.000 And I think we're getting awfully close to that point of no return.

00:35:38.000 But I think it's incumbent upon all of us to fight back.

00:35:42.000 How do we do that? Well, let's try to think about what does it mean to succeed against them, right?

00:35:50.000 So in my own case, going back to 2013, I realized that the real goal of the Obama Justice Department, Eric Holder and those guys, it wasn't merely to incarcerate me.

00:36:03.000 Their main goal was this guy's a political enemy.

00:36:06.000 Let's sort of destroy his career.

00:36:08.000 And so I realized that if I came out of the confinement center and so on,

00:36:13.000 and I had this big, you know, felon label on my chest, and I wouldn't be able to work again, and I couldn't,

00:36:20.000 nobody wanted to invite me to give a speech or write a book, I couldn't make another movie, then they would have won.

00:36:25.000 They would have succeeded.

00:36:26.000 On the other hand, if I came out of the whole process, and my career was bigger than it was before, then they fail.

00:36:32.000 So now let's apply the same test to your dad.

00:36:35.000 Their goal here is to make sure that your dad is politically immobilized, physically immobilized if need be, but the real goal is to prevent him from winning the 2024 election.

00:36:47.000 If he wins the 2024 election, it's a giant up yours to the police state.

00:36:53.000 Not to mention the fact that you now have a guy in charge of the executive branch who can do a lot to dismantle the organs of the police state, whether it be the FBI, whether it be the DHS and so on.

00:37:02.000 You can renovate those places from the top to bottom.

00:37:06.000 Now, what can ordinary people do?

00:37:07.000 Number one, spread the word.

00:37:09.000 You know, watch Police State.

00:37:11.000 Go to policestatefilm.net, check it out.

00:37:13.000 Number two, get involved.

00:37:15.000 And the main thing here is to use your influence.

00:37:19.000 Get involved in your own sphere of influence.

00:37:21.000 Run for school board, become an election judge or a poll watcher as a volunteer, put some eyes on the process.

00:37:27.000 So, whatever you can do within your sphere of influence, you should do.

00:37:32.000 Most people, unfortunately, use a very tiny fraction of the influence they have.

00:37:36.000 One of the things I've been trying to do in my own career, try to use all my influence to take the skills that I have and try to get the messages out that I'm able to do to a wide audience.

00:37:48.000 Yeah, no. And, you know, that's not always easy.

00:37:50.000 I get it. I mean, I remember when I used to be able to build buildings in peace and we did really well and we had an incredible business and they'd try to take that away from us in New York and then they'd try to go after us in different ways.

00:38:00.000 And, you know, I understand that I am not the upstanding citizen that Hunter Biden is, but, you know, I did 50 hours of testimony for treason, a crime punishable by death, kind of a big deal.

00:38:12.000 And they're shocked that Hunter Biden, Democrat, I can't believe Hunter Biden would come in.

00:38:17.000 There's no evidence other than the receipts, other than the emails, other than 80,000 anonymous

00:38:22.000 emails sent by a Joe Biden alias, other than the grandchildren and ex-girlfriends getting

00:38:27.000 money from CCP controlled entities.

00:38:31.000 All that lack of evidence and yet Russia, Russia, Russia, which was totally fabricated

00:38:35.000 and created by the Hillary Clinton campaign.

00:38:38.000 They forced us to do everything.

00:38:39.000 It led to impeachments.

00:38:41.000 It led to five years of chaos.

00:38:42.000 There's still people talking about it as though it's real.

00:38:45.000 And, you know, that is the unequal system of justice that we live in today.

00:38:50.000 If you have an R next to your name or if you're a conservative, you are held to a different standard than you are as a Democrat.

00:38:59.000 Yes, and I think that in some ways when we point out these double standards, there's a little bit of naivety on our part, isn't there?

00:39:05.000 Because we're assuming that the Justice Department is or should be impartial.

00:39:11.000 We're assuming that those guys care about equal justice under the law. 0.54

00:39:15.000 I think one of the problems is that police states are so perverse.

00:39:18.000 That they develop a different logic, which is consistent in its own perverse way.

00:39:23.000 The police state basically says, which is the party that is helping to build the police state?

00:39:28.000 Ah, that's the left, that's the Democrats.

00:39:30.000 So they're gonna protect our crimes, so we should protect their crimes.

00:39:35.000 And that's what's going on.

00:39:36.000 And then the police state says, well, who are the people who are trying to block the police state?

00:39:40.000 Who are the people who, if they had the power, would start dismantling the police state?

00:39:44.000 Oh, well, that's the MAGA Republicans. 0.77

00:39:46.000 That's Donald Trump. Okay, so just like the family dog, which is friendly toward family members but barks at strangers, the police state is friendly to the people it sees as building up the police state and hostile to people like you and me and your dad, who are seen as sort of threats to the police state.

00:40:04.000 So talk about, you know, maybe the dichotomy.

00:40:06.000 Obviously, you know, when we talk about the police state, we're not talking about police and law enforcement, per se, because, I mean, certainly on a local level, you know, I can't think of a group that's more sort of, you know, America first MAGA than local police.

00:40:22.000 You know, I see that where I live.

00:40:23.000 I see that where we travel.

00:40:24.000 I see that when I go to my father's rallies and these guys...

00:40:27.000 Literally come in unpaid to be able to work in the motorcade to help out.

00:40:31.000 The thanks and the love is very different.

00:40:35.000 Where is that line drawn about the police state versus law enforcement?

00:40:40.000 Because the left, they're very against law enforcement.

00:40:44.000 They're very against...

00:40:46.000 Police officers, whether that's state troopers or local sheriff's departments or whatever it may be, but policing from the highest branches of government, that they want as much as they could possibly have of.

00:41:00.000 Right. A police state becomes when the institutions of law, the police agencies of the government, stop caring about the law in the traditional sense.

00:41:11.000 They are now more concerned with going after political opponents.

00:41:15.000 They're more concerned with shutting down dissidents.

00:41:18.000 They're more concerned with weaponizing the apparatus of government.

00:41:23.000 In order to move toward a one-party state.

00:41:25.000 Let's think about this. All police states are one-party states.

00:41:27.000 This does not mean they don't have elections.

00:41:30.000 Iran has elections.

00:41:31.000 China has elections. But the opposition is always controlled.

00:41:35.000 No effective opposition is allowed to emerge.

00:41:38.000 One of the questions I wrestle with in the film, and I think there's an original treatment of this, is it explores the question of how an agency like the FBI or the DHS can get decent people to do indecent things.

00:41:51.000 In other words, how do you get, let's just take a normal FBI guy who's got a wife and family, he's got a two-car garage.

00:41:57.000 How do you get this guy to kick in the door of a 70-year-old grandmother, like pull her hair to the ground if she resists and pull her by the feet down the stairs?

00:42:07.000 Pull her out into the driveway where her neighbors can come out and gawk at her, helpfully tip off CNN so the cameras are there to humiliate her. 0.99

00:42:15.000 How do you get a decent person to do something so manifestly evil?

00:42:20.000 That's part of the ingenuity of the police state.

00:42:22.000 They figured out a way to make good people do really bad things.

00:42:26.000 Yeah, no, and I've seen that.

00:42:27.000 I mean, the amount of FBI agents, both active and especially retired, they're a little bit more free to talk once they're retired.

00:42:33.000 You know, it's a tarnish on our badge.

00:42:36.000 We can't believe what's going on.

00:42:37.000 But, you know, I guess the reality is there are still going to be bad people and the people who are willing to do those things and the people and conversely, the people who espouse any conservatives believe, you know, they get to go guard a federal office building in Guam and And if you're a radical leftist and you espouse the insanity, you get the promotion.

00:42:55.000 You get brought up to the top.

00:42:57.000 If you show, hey, I don't want to take the vaccine, that's it.

00:43:00.000 That's it. Sure, yeah, maybe you'll keep your job, but you're never getting a promotion again.

00:43:04.000 You're going to be stuck in the middle, and you'll never go anywhere until your career is over.

00:43:10.000 You know, they've weaponized that very explicitly.

00:43:13.000 How do you break that up once you have sort of decades of this stuff going on where these Marxists have taken over the highest echelons of all of these institutions in our government?

00:43:25.000 Well, first of all, you do need the executive branch because these agencies, whether DHS, DOJ, FBI, all of these are part of the executive branch.

00:43:36.000 There's some congressional oversight, and of course, Congress can do its job and should do its job to do exposés.

00:43:41.000 But the truth of it is, if you get the executive branch, You then need to have the kind of bureaucratic infighters that can sort of go in with a blowtorch into these agencies, because what's happened is the structure of incentives is what is really perverted.

00:43:57.000 By and large, the ordinary FBI agent is told, if you want to be a company man, if you want to get a promotion, you want to get a bonus at the end of the year, you don't want to be seen as a troublemaker, okay, your focus should be January 6th and not, let's say, child trafficking.

00:44:12.000 And number two, don't worry about whether the person that you're making an arrest of is a good guy or a bad guy.

00:44:21.000 We'll let the courts figure that out.

00:44:23.000 Your job is just operational.

00:44:25.000 To carry out an arrest, this is kind of how we do it by the book.

00:44:28.000 It's 5.45 in the morning.

00:44:30.000 We have a battering ram.

00:44:31.000 We knock once on the door.

00:44:33.000 If no answer, we go right through the door.

00:44:35.000 So you've got to learn, this is our procedure.

00:44:37.000 This is our process. This is how you get to be a good guy who kind of Follows the orders of the team and earns your FBI badge that way.

00:44:46.000 So this is the corrupt incentives that are now built into these massive sort of governmental corporations, and we need to go inside of them and change the incentives.

00:44:56.000 And that's not easy to do.

00:44:57.000 It takes sort of bureaucratic infighters to do that, but it can be done.

00:45:02.000 So I've been explicit in calling these radicals Marxists or, you know, communists.

00:45:07.000 Now, you know, obviously Marx wasn't talking about preferred pronouns, but how do they use Marxism to further their destruction or the ideas thereof?

00:45:19.000 Well, Marxism supplies the kind of general template.

00:45:24.000 So under Marx, society is divided between two camps, the exploiter and the exploited.

00:45:31.000 So this is the aspect of Marxism, the social division, the legitimation of hatred and violence toward the so-called exploiting class.

00:45:40.000 Now for Marx, that exploiting class were the bourgeois, the greedy capitalists, and the exploited were the working class.

00:45:47.000 But I think what happened in America is that a lot of leftists realized that there are racial divisions, gender divisions in America that run deeper than class divisions.

00:45:58.000 The ordinary working class guy doesn't want to kill his boss.

00:46:01.000 He wants to become the boss.

00:46:02.000 He wants to be promoted. He wants to get a bonus and he wants to get ahead.

00:46:06.000 So it is easier...

00:46:09.000 In this country, to foster division if you don't say class, but you say race.

00:46:14.000 And so what's happened is the left in this country has tried to divide society not just two ways, not just between rich and poor, which is the Marxist idea, but black against white, male against female, heterosexual against gay, now the transgender issue.

00:46:30.000 So it's a modified form of Marxism, not classical Marxism, but Marxism with a kind of racial and gender spin.

00:46:39.000 Yeah, everyone's either an oppressor or the oppressed.

00:46:44.000 And I guess they need that because that creates that kind of division.

00:46:48.000 You see the left calling anyone who's a conservative a fascist, and yet they're the ones trying to jail their political opponents.

00:46:55.000 They're the ones that are exercising violence in the streets. 0.96

00:46:59.000 Theirs are the ones that are literally cheering for the murder and beheading and rape of young 0.99

00:47:04.000 women and children in Israel. 0.98

00:47:07.000 Not for the notion of a free Palestine, but for literally a radical terrorist organization

00:47:12.000 like Hamas. 0.90

00:47:16.000 Does it ever get so bad, like the other things?

00:47:18.000 We think it was going on.

00:47:19.000 We understand what the deep state's been doing for a long time.

00:47:22.000 It all came out under Trump, whether it's Trump derangement syndrome or they just accelerated their plans.

00:47:28.000 Does it get to the point where ordinary Americans, not like you or me or perhaps even the people watching this show, but where ordinary Americans finally get it?

00:47:38.000 Or are we too far gone? 0.75

00:47:40.000 Meaning our education system has been indoctrinating these children since they were three years old and they're not actually capable of the thought that it takes to realize what exactly is going on because it's so ridiculous sometimes. 0.95

00:47:52.000 It's so flagrant. 0.83

00:47:53.000 It's so in your face that I can't imagine a sentient being with a greater than single digit IQ actually not figuring it out already.

00:48:06.000 Well, I find, you know, I've been speaking on campus now going back to the 1990s, and I noticed something happened somewhere around 2007, 2008.

00:48:15.000 And that is that prior to that, you had liberals on the campus, but there were also conservatives.

00:48:21.000 The liberals knew what the conservative argument was, and you could actually have a lively discussion.

00:48:27.000 They would be like, oh, Mr. D'Souza, you don't know what you're talking about.

00:48:30.000 The Dixiecrats were... 0.69

00:48:31.000 And on and on you go.

00:48:33.000 And then something happened around 2010 where I realized that I'm talking to students and it's not that they reject conservatism.

00:48:41.000 They don't even know what it is.

00:48:43.000 They've never heard it.

00:48:44.000 They've never had a single friend, a single professor who has exposed them to anything other than one set of ideas.

00:48:52.000 And so, this is sort of the true meaning of indoctrination.

00:48:55.000 In a sense, you don't even have the mental lens to be able to come up with rival arguments because you haven't been given the baseline of knowledge in which you even know the things that would allow you to think that way.

00:49:07.000 So it is a crisis, I think, in the education system.

00:49:10.000 I'm not quite sure how it can all be fixed.

00:49:13.000 I don't think it's going to be an easy job to take back 2,000 universities that are now firmly in the grasp of the other side.

00:49:21.000 But I do think that there are plenty of Americans who are capable of waking up Part of it is we've never had a police state in this country.

00:49:28.000 I mean, I guess blacks lived in a police state in the antebellum South. 0.94

00:49:31.000 But for the whole country, we've never had that.

00:49:34.000 Most Americans, if you say police state, they think of like, you know, a Stalin overcoat, a Hitler mustache.

00:49:39.000 So it's hard for Americans to believe it can happen here.

00:49:43.000 It is happening here.

00:49:44.000 And that's why in the film, what I do is I show a lot of ordinary people.

00:49:48.000 I mean, I show your dad. I talk about January 6th.

00:49:51.000 But I also have a lot of ordinary guys just going about their life and then bam, they come face to face with the police state and they can't believe it.

00:49:58.000 They never expected it.

00:50:00.000 So for those guys, their eyes are opened.

00:50:02.000 And look, the beauty of a film is that you can not only tell people about something, you show it to them.

00:50:07.000 There's a cinematic power of seeing it, feeling it, and experiencing it.

00:50:12.000 Yeah, no, I mean, a picture, you know, says a thousand words, and I think that's really important.

00:50:17.000 And you're 100% right, though.

00:50:18.000 I mean, I know you went to Dartmouth.

00:50:21.000 You know, I went to the University of Pennsylvania.

00:50:23.000 These were Ivy League institutions.

00:50:24.000 They were great. And, you know, I graduated, you know, from Penn in 2000, not all that long ago.

00:50:30.000 Maybe I'm dating myself a little bit more than I'd like.

00:50:33.000 But, you know, at that time, guess what?

00:50:35.000 No one Like, there were no political marches on campus, and no one wore their politics on a sleeve, and you could.

00:50:41.000 In fact, you learned by actually having professors that were, say, politically adversarial to you and actually debating.

00:50:50.000 Now that, you know...

00:50:52.000 That one side isn't even talked about, meaning one side doesn't even exist.

00:50:56.000 The notion of just sort of a rote memorization of these things.

00:51:00.000 I have a friend that got into a similar program at one of these top schools because it was a very specific program.

00:51:05.000 They only had it at this. It was at NYU, of all places, in New York City.

00:51:09.000 Very liberal. And this is a super conservative kid.

00:51:12.000 And he basically was like, well, how'd you actually get in?

00:51:14.000 He goes, well... I wrote my essay about being a trans...

00:51:18.000 He's like, I literally took everything crazy about it and I weaponized it against them for my benefit because I wanted to get into the specific program.

00:51:24.000 Of course, he got in with flying colors.

00:51:28.000 How scary is that, though, that some of these...

00:51:31.000 When we say elite universities, they don't feel that elite to me.

00:51:34.000 I don't know that I'd hire anyone from these institutions, whereas they would have been perhaps the gold standard 20 years ago, because I don't know that they're actually capable of thought other than just regurgitating what they've been indoctrinated with.

00:51:48.000 I'm sorry to say I think that's true.

00:51:50.000 I think, for example, I used to assume certain things about, let's say, a Dartmouth grad or somebody who went to Swarthmore or Berkeley, that there was a certain level of academic preparation, of intellectual sophistication.

00:52:03.000 I don't think that's true any longer.

00:52:05.000 In fact, it's a joke.

00:52:07.000 And by the way, it's not just in academia.

00:52:10.000 You see the exact same thing in media.

00:52:12.000 Used to be, for example, CNN. You might remember the old show that they used to have, Crossfire.

00:52:16.000 One guy on the left, one guy on the right.

00:52:18.000 Could be Pat Buchanan on the right, and then I forget, Michael Kinsley, I think, on the left.

00:52:21.000 And there was a back and forth, very interesting for the audience, because you could see a clash of ideas.

00:52:27.000 Today, that's all gone.

00:52:28.000 CNN will have a panel, it's like 11 guys, and they all think the same.

00:52:31.000 Well, I concur with the previous guest, and I concur with the previous guest.

00:52:35.000 And so, you feel like you're in a surreal atmosphere where everything is staged, and all the arguments that you, the audience, can think of, well, what about that?

00:52:44.000 Well, what about that?

00:52:45.000 Never come up. They're never even raised.

00:52:48.000 And so, as a result, the media and education become propagandistic extensions of one another.

00:52:54.000 Look at the way, by the way, that this police state is now not just in the government.

00:52:57.000 We talk about the weaponization of government, but it's in academia.

00:53:01.000 It's in the digital platforms, which are part of the censorship apparatus.

00:53:05.000 It's in the nonprofits.

00:53:08.000 The police state is an octopus that is stretching across the public and the private sector both.

00:53:13.000 Yeah, although maybe there's hope even in the media.

00:53:15.000 I saw today, you know, Chris Cuomo, brother of New York, former New York governor Andrew Cuomo, basically said, hey, you know what?

00:53:24.000 Voting for Trump's not really an existential threat to our country anymore.

00:53:27.000 Now, this is very contrary to everything he ever said on CNN, but I think even he is waking up to the policies of Joe Biden.

00:53:35.000 And I don't even want to say Joe Biden, because I don't think Joe Biden's actually capable of coming up and crafting policy.

00:53:40.000 I think Joe Biden is signing...

00:53:43.000 You know, whatever, whoever actually is in charge is putting in front of him.

00:53:46.000 So he's probably been very effective for the Marxists and the communists because they're not worried about preserving his legacy.

00:53:53.000 If he destroys America in the process, that's fine for their political gain.

00:53:57.000 But do you see others ever coming around to that?

00:54:00.000 Do you see what's going on in mainstream media where, you know, ratings are just going down?

00:54:05.000 Because you're right. Like, I I don't need to watch more than a couple minutes of mainstream cable news because it's literally just the same thing.

00:54:15.000 There is no counterpoint.

00:54:17.000 There is no one willing to have an intellectually honest debate about anything.

00:54:21.000 They just say what they say and they say it over and over and over for 24 hours.

00:54:26.000 Absolutely. I mean, with regard to Chris Cuomo, so I predict this is what's going to happen.

00:54:31.000 The next 48 hours are critical because police states love to maintain party discipline.

00:54:36.000 So there will now be everybody that Chris Cuomo knows on his own side, which is going to be most of the people he knows, are going to be calling him.

00:54:42.000 And telling him to back off of what he said and to apologize and to claim that he didn't mean it or that, you know, he hadn't had enough sleep the previous night.

00:54:52.000 In other words, to repudiate what he says because they can't afford to have people like Chris Cuomo saying this kind of stuff.

00:54:59.000 They have to sort of rein them in.

00:55:01.000 And so they have a very effective system of bludgeoning to keep people in line.

00:55:05.000 I think this is really a very scary phenomenon.

00:55:08.000 It actually goes back, when I had my case, you know, and I lived in D.C., so I was part of the D.C. culture.

00:55:13.000 I knew a lot of guys who worked for the New Republic.

00:55:15.000 I wrote for those magazines, the Washington Post, the New York Times.

00:55:19.000 I would see those guys in Trove or Bookstore.

00:55:21.000 So when my case came up on campaign finance, I'd see these guys from the Washington Post, like at the bookstore, they'd be like, Dinesh, you know, looks like you're getting the shaft, man.

00:55:30.000 And I'd be like, well, you know what?

00:55:31.000 I'm being defended by Megyn Kelly on Fox News, but it'd be really nice if you said that in the Washington Post.

00:55:37.000 And they'd be like, sorry, you know, can't do that.

00:55:40.000 And so this is when I realized that there is a system on the left of making sure that on issues that are important to them, there is virtually no deviation.

00:55:51.000 I mean, this is why not a single journalist on the left ran with the Hunter Biden story, because they knew.

00:55:57.000 Think of it. Think how crazy this is.

00:55:59.000 You've got thousands of journalists.

00:56:00.000 This is not a police state like Russia or Nazi Germany where Goebbels puts out an edict, no journalist can write about the Hunter Biden story or you'll be executed tomorrow morning.

00:56:10.000 No, you've got all these independent journalists, but none of them did it, except the New York Post.

00:56:14.000 Now, why is that? I think it's because they knew that any guy who does that is going to have a sword falling on his head, his career is going to be destroyed, and He will never be able to work in this town again, and so the level of conformity is backed up by the fact that the police state and the left can enforce this kind of mass obedience.

00:56:34.000 Yeah, no, and you see that a lot.

00:56:36.000 I mean, I get that a lot, because again, prior to politics and stuff like that, obviously being in business in New York, you're surrounded by a lot of liberal journalists, and I see it with my father's, and frankly mine, because I'm guilty of civil fraud in New York before they ever heard my case in this nonsense, and we're going through it, and Now this supposed victim was on the stand yesterday, the bank, and they're like, no, everything was great.

00:56:57.000 What are you talking about? We do our own due diligence.

00:56:59.000 We did everything. Everything was paid back.

00:57:00.000 We made hundreds of millions. You know, Trump was a whale. 0.99

00:57:03.000 We used him and those assets to get other business. 0.90

00:57:05.000 It was a wonderful relationship.

00:57:07.000 We wanted to do more, not less.

00:57:09.000 And I have people, you know, that I knew at the New York Times, you know, at ABC News that are like, oh, this is so crazy.

00:57:18.000 Like, this is so ripe for future corruption.

00:57:20.000 If an attorney general can just come in five years later and say, we don't like this deal.

00:57:24.000 We're going to sue you for a billion dollars and try to take away your company because you didn't donate perhaps to my political campaign.

00:57:30.000 You know, they're saying these things.

00:57:32.000 I go, I agree with you.

00:57:34.000 You're 100% right.

00:57:36.000 Where's your story about that?

00:57:38.000 Where's your story about what happened today that the alleged victim is saying, we weren't a victim, this was one of the great deals, Trump wasn't, you know, 10% of our revenue came from Trump organization deals.

00:57:48.000 You know, where is that article?

00:57:51.000 And it doesn't exist. Even if it's said clearly in court, even if that press is in the courtroom watching, even if you think that's clearly newsworthy given how much they would cover the fraud allegations that are total nonsense, still haven't seen the article.

00:58:07.000 I still haven't seen the story.

00:58:08.000 I haven't seen the talking heads even bring it up.

00:58:10.000 Not even once. And these are the people that are bringing it up to me.

00:58:13.000 So you're 100% right.

00:58:15.000 How do you stop that? How do you change that?

00:58:18.000 We've reached a point where you can't change it, you have to replace it.

00:58:22.000 And by that I mean virtually everybody who wears a tag called journalist in this country today is not a journalist.

00:58:28.000 I mean, here's the proof of it.

00:58:29.000 Let's take, for example, the New York Times.

00:58:32.000 You and I know that if, not just UI, let's just say a credible source on the left, We're to walk into the New York Times and say, we have undeniable proof from the horse's mouth that the 2020 election was stolen.

00:58:46.000 We're going to sit down with you, show you the evidence.

00:58:49.000 You can ask all the questions you want, and we will convince you to your satisfaction that the 2020 election was stolen.

00:58:55.000 And you go through that process.

00:58:57.000 Do you have any doubt that the next day that article would not be in the New York Times?

00:59:02.000 They would not publish it.

00:59:03.000 They would let it be.

00:59:05.000 They would not touch it.

00:59:07.000 Obviously that's true.

00:59:08.000 And what that tells you is the New York Times is not a real newspaper.

00:59:11.000 They're not trying to pursue truth.

00:59:12.000 They're not interested in what happened.

00:59:14.000 They are propagandists, pure and simple.

00:59:17.000 They're in that sense no different than Pravda or Izvestia.

00:59:20.000 I actually think it goes worse than that.

00:59:22.000 I don't think Fox News would cover it.

00:59:26.000 I mean, I actually think conservative media, you know, would not do it.

00:59:30.000 You know, the laptop story, you know, maybe they touched on it a little bit.

00:59:34.000 That was the New York Post, so that's the parent company.

00:59:35.000 So they started it, but it didn't go.

00:59:37.000 But I didn't see the big, you know, talking, other than maybe a Tucker talking about these things.

00:59:41.000 Yeah. You know, they covered it, but they covered it light.

00:59:44.000 They didn't go all in because, again, like the weak rhinos in D.C., the Republicans in name only, you know, they still want to be invited to polite society in New York. 0.59

00:59:54.000 Their children maybe go to school there, so you're not going to get your kid into school if you're the hardcore Republican actually fighting for these things.

01:00:01.000 And so it's not just the fault of sort of leftist media.

01:00:05.000 It's actually conservative media for not wanting to actually engage in these battles.

01:00:10.000 And so it goes so much further than just sort of it's not right versus left.

01:00:14.000 It's actually just sort of, you know, like the unit party in D.C. You just have corporate media doing that.

01:00:21.000 And I think you're right. You have to replace it.

01:00:23.000 I think it's, you know, you're doing that, you know, on Rumble.

01:00:27.000 You're doing it with movies. I'm doing it.

01:00:29.000 Not because I was a journalist, but honestly, at this point, I think I have more credibility than the vast majority of the journalists that are out there, because I'll actually take a contrarian approach to something, whether you like it or not.

01:00:42.000 The rest, it's like, you see the soundbites, you know, the tweets.

01:00:45.000 It's like the same catchphrases, the same words regurgitated over guys that are making $5, $10, $15 million a year.

01:00:53.000 They're incapable of an original thought, and they just run with whatever the narrative is.

01:00:59.000 And part of it, I think, also is that there are Republican politicians who live in a certain type of fear.

01:01:07.000 They know that if the media puts them in its sights and attacks them relentlessly for three weeks, They will never recover.

01:01:16.000 In fact, their own side will bury them.

01:01:19.000 And so as a result, they become sheepish.

01:01:22.000 They become timid.

01:01:24.000 I mean, sometimes, oddly, when I talk to these guys, they talk to me as if I'm sort of a, some kind of a miracle worker because they're like, man, Dinesh, you know, you're so brave to be out there saying these things.

01:01:35.000 And first of all, I don't think that's even true.

01:01:37.000 But I think to myself, what you're really saying is that you would never do it.

01:01:41.000 What you're saying is that even if you think it, You would never step forward and say it.

01:01:45.000 And so all these people are operating at a level of timidity.

01:01:50.000 I mean, the level of invertebrate fear in the Republican Party is, to me, a very disgusting thing to behold.

01:01:58.000 Yeah. You know, and again, there's consequences to conservatives.

01:02:01.000 There's consequences to conservative journalists that you don't have on the other side.

01:02:04.000 It was sort of, you know, feel-good story of the day to see some of these, you know, leftist propaganda rags, you know, firing people today because I've seen them go after me.

01:02:12.000 There was a story... Going back years now, you know, I went to a friend of mine who's a developer in New York.

01:02:19.000 He developed islands and marinas and all this stuff.

01:02:22.000 And a big grand opening party at one of his things.

01:02:24.000 And this was like three, four years ago.

01:02:26.000 My father was president of the United States.

01:02:28.000 But the party happened in like 2012 or maybe 2008, something like that.

01:02:33.000 I went to this thing and apparently Jeffrey Epstein was there.

01:02:36.000 And this reporter calls. They say, we have you, a credible source...

01:02:40.000 Two credible sources say that you were on a plane with Jeffrey Epstein going down to the island.

01:02:46.000 I was like, first, it wasn't Epstein Island, but just...

01:02:49.000 And you could see the joy.

01:02:50.000 Because it was like 10 years prior, and I was like, I wasn't.

01:02:54.000 Because I went down with these guys.

01:02:56.000 I remember who I flew down with.

01:02:57.000 I'd never met the guy. Didn't have any idea.

01:02:59.000 But anything they could do to link me to Epstein.

01:03:01.000 So... Finally, it's like, well, we're going with the story in four hours.

01:03:04.000 If you can't show us that it is, I go, but I'm telling you, there's no truth to it.

01:03:08.000 Now we have reliable sources, as they always say.

01:03:11.000 So I called my friend, who I actually remembered going down to the party with, and he was like, well, let me check with my pilot.

01:03:17.000 And luckily, his pilot literally had, like, perfect flight logs.

01:03:20.000 So it showed me, my wife, literally flying down and back with him, that I wasn't on Jeffrey Epstein's plane.

01:03:26.000 He wasn't on a manifest.

01:03:27.000 I'd never been with him. There's no photos of me with him.

01:03:29.000 I've never met the guy. And I bring it to the guy.

01:03:31.000 I go, now if you write it, I'm going to sue your fucking ass off. 1.00

01:03:34.000 And it was as though I crushed his soul. 1.00

01:03:40.000 Because he had no interest in actually writing the truth.

01:03:45.000 He just could tie me to it.

01:03:46.000 I go, well, why don't you do an article about, you know, all the celebrities that are down, you know, Bill Clinton going down there 54 times, you know, with and without Secret Service, and all the stories that you've seen. 0.98

01:03:57.000 Like, how come I've never seen you write an article with that, but just the notion that you could somehow tie me to this piece of crap? 0.66

01:04:04.000 And now when I call you out on it, now that I show you the evidence, it's like I ruined your life. 0.79

01:04:11.000 We've got to stop pretending that there's even a pretense of these people being good faith actors.

01:04:16.000 They're not. They're just propagandists for the regime.

01:04:20.000 Absolutely. And I think you would agree with me that today, if the FBI were to come to your door, don't be like some of the January 6th guys and go, hey, I back the blue.

01:04:30.000 I like the FBI. Yeah, here's my ID. Ask me any questions you want.

01:04:35.000 I want to be cooperative.

01:04:36.000 I want to clear the whole matter up.

01:04:38.000 I'm doing a series on Solzhenitsyn and the Gulag in my podcast, and Solzhenitsyn says that even when the Stalinist officials came to get people at their homes at the train station, they would always go, why me?

01:04:49.000 Let me clear the matter up.

01:04:51.000 Let me explain, and so on. 0.99

01:04:53.000 And so instead of looking for really practical things to do, like how can I run or how can I shout so the crowd will come to my defense and they won't be able to drag me away where my life is going to be ruined, people think of this kind of stupid... 0.85

01:05:06.000 You know, let me cooperate with the authorities because they're on my side when we really should realize they're not.

01:05:12.000 Yeah, 100%. Guys, don't cooperate, okay?

01:05:15.000 If you're watching this now, don't cooperate because they are not looking out for your best searchers.

01:05:20.000 Honestly, the best example of this is probably Michael Flynn.

01:05:23.000 Right? You know, when they went after him early in my father's administration, he literally was like, okay, no, we're going to settle this.

01:05:30.000 Here's what it is. He cooperated, didn't think to have a lawyer, and then, you know, you put a comma in the wrong spot, you get the date in the wrong, whatever it may be.

01:05:37.000 You know, I don't even know that he made a mistake.

01:05:39.000 I don't think it even mattered.

01:05:41.000 But he cooperated, didn't have this, and they threw the entire world at him and then used that as the pretense for weaponization of everything else thereafter.

01:05:50.000 So, you know, a guy that served his country loyally forever, a guy that understood what exactly was going on, a guy that was probably working on taking some of that down, still...

01:06:01.000 I was naive enough to think.

01:06:02.000 I always said my biggest mistake of my father's administration, not that I was involved in the administration, was I knew Michael Flynn really well from, you know, the campaign, from the transition team, from hanging out with him, for traveling countless hours.

01:06:16.000 I'm like, no, this is a good guy.

01:06:17.000 But even me. Even at the beginning of Russia, Russia, Russia, even with them trying to try me for treason, I still had this notion like, no, no, come on.

01:06:26.000 It's the FBI. It's the CIA. There must be something there.

01:06:30.000 I didn't go against him, but I was sort of, well, I'm silent because there's got to be something there, right?

01:06:35.000 It can't all just be a lie, right, Dinesh?

01:06:37.000 And it was all just a lie, and it doesn't matter.

01:06:40.000 So we have to understand that very clearly.

01:06:44.000 Yeah, absolutely. At some point in my own case, going back several years now, I realized that these Obama lawyers, if they could, would have put me in jail for 20 years over a trivial campaign finance violation that is normally not even prosecuted.

01:06:59.000 And this was very eye-opening for me because I realized, you know, They don't just see me as somebody who made a mistake or somebody who's a dissident.

01:07:06.000 No, for them, I was a political enemy, and that's how they viewed it.

01:07:10.000 So they would have been completely satisfied if some judge gave me a 20-year sentence, I mean, destroying my life.

01:07:15.000 So for them, ultimately, this is political war.

01:07:19.000 And so we are in an awkward situation where a lot of Republicans are like, well, you know, we can't do the same thing because we're better than that, Dinesh.

01:07:26.000 You know, we're the party of principle.

01:07:29.000 And I feel like the Republicans are sort of like these guys who go out and covered wagons in 1840.

01:07:34.000 Out West, you're encircled by outlaws with long guns. 1.00

01:07:37.000 They want to burn your homestead, rape your wife, and kill your kids. 0.99

01:07:41.000 And you're saying things like, well, you know, they've got long guns, but I need to go look at my law books. 1.00

01:07:46.000 I can't do what they do.

01:07:47.000 I can't defend myself.

01:07:49.000 I'm better than that.

01:07:50.000 I'm a man of principle. What do you even say to such a person?

01:07:53.000 Because they have no grasp of the situation in which they find themselves.

01:07:58.000 Yeah, no, you know, again, hopefully all of this is a big awakening.

01:08:01.000 I think with that awakening comes a big change.

01:08:03.000 And so, you know, what is it that you find, Dinesh, you know, about the America First movement that has these corrupt, bad actors, you know, pressing the panic button?

01:08:12.000 You know, why is their agenda...

01:08:15.000 Centered so much now around censorship and silencing.

01:08:19.000 And again, they're not even pretending anymore.

01:08:21.000 I mean, Jack Smith wants to get out there.

01:08:23.000 Anyone who ever interacted with Donald Trump on Twitter, you mean tens of millions of people?

01:08:27.000 We just got to know. Because you're on a list.

01:08:29.000 Everyone's on a list at this point.

01:08:33.000 It's got to be that at some level, the left realizes that its own positions are intellectually indefensible and also not really popular with the American people.

01:08:44.000 Just think about it. If their positions carried merit, if they were not afraid to debate us because they had better arguments, better data, if it turns out that they could put their case before the American people and the American people go, well, obviously we prefer the Democrats, they're the better side, they wouldn't need to do any of this.

01:09:01.000 So the reason that they do it, in a strange way, it's a reflection of their intellectual and moral weakness, because they don't want to have to debate.

01:09:08.000 They'd rather shut you down. They don't want to have to put their case before the people.

01:09:13.000 That's why they cheat in elections and so on.

01:09:15.000 When you think back to some of your earlier films, the ones that you did years ago, how much influence does the legacy of Barack Obama have on the extremist left agenda that we're seeing today?

01:09:26.000 And when you look back at those first films, perhaps to the later ones, what stands out to you?

01:09:33.000 And do you have a favorite?

01:09:36.000 Well, you know, I'm partial to my first film because it did open a kind of window into Obama that was completely new.

01:09:43.000 And that film, of course, did incredibly well.

01:09:46.000 I'm also, you know, I liked, obviously, 2000 Meals had a huge impact as well.

01:09:50.000 But I do think that Obama was...

01:09:53.000 The turning point in the sense that he took a radical left ideology and brought it into the mainstream.

01:10:01.000 And he did it because of his sort of style in which he appears to be cerebral.

01:10:06.000 He appears to be sort of making fine distinctions.

01:10:08.000 Well, you know, we shouldn't confuse ISIS with ISIL. And people think, oh, wow, this is a very professorial guy who's making all these nuanced points.

01:10:17.000 But in fact, he's a far left guy who mastered the sort of technique, which by the way, Biden has not mastered and most of the people around Biden have not mastered.

01:10:27.000 But Obama was able to take radical ideas and make them sound mainstream.

01:10:33.000 And a lot of people, in part because he's the first black president and so on, went along with them.

01:10:38.000 And I think that was a turning point.

01:10:40.000 I'm not even sure we'll be able to fully go back.

01:10:42.000 Do you think that Obama's involved in running the Biden administration?

01:10:45.000 You know, what do you think the actual chain of command again?

01:10:48.000 We talk about it all the time.

01:10:49.000 I mean, you get you joke about it on social.

01:10:51.000 I joke about it. We talk, you know, it's not a laughing matter other than it's so flagrantly ridiculous. 0.97

01:10:56.000 You know, the leader of the free world can't find his way off of a stage.

01:11:00.000 Who you know, what do you think the real chain of command is in the White House today?

01:11:07.000 So think of what a scary thing you're asking me, right?

01:11:10.000 Because you're basically saying that whenever we look around the world, even let's consider police states around the world, it's really obvious who's running them.

01:11:17.000 It's Kim Jong-un. It's Xi in China.

01:11:21.000 It is, you know, it was Castro in Cuba.

01:11:23.000 It was, of course, Stalin and then later Andropov and Chernenko and all those guys in the Soviet Union.

01:11:28.000 So here's my question. Who is running our country, our police state, if you want to call it that, right now?

01:11:35.000 Who's in charge? We don't know.

01:11:37.000 What? We're in a democracy?

01:11:39.000 We don't even know who's running the country?

01:11:40.000 What that really means is that there is some kind of a junta that is making these critical decisions.

01:11:46.000 Now, Joe Biden's going along with them.

01:11:47.000 He's in the canoe. He's an accomplice.

01:11:49.000 But we all know he's not steering the canoe.

01:11:51.000 So is it Obama? Is it the Obama-ites who are now surrounding Biden?

01:11:56.000 It is obviously some combination of that, but it's terrifying that we, at this point, could not say who is making the most important decisions affecting our country.

01:12:05.000 If it's not Biden, who is it?

01:12:07.000 Yeah, could it be Obama? Could it be Susan Rice?

01:12:10.000 Could it be Valerie Jarrett? Could it be, you know, any one of the top leaders of the DOJ or CIA or the FBI? Or, you know, perhaps they're all working in cahoots, because it does seem like they have anything but America's best interests at heart, and you only see that because of the policies, right? I mean, I don't know if you saw, you know, sort of my intro today, but, you know, the illegal immigrants, we're going to make sure we address them by the appropriate pronouns.

01:12:33.000 I mean, you know, I imagine that most of these people have no idea what pronouns even are.

01:12:37.000 But we're going to make sure that's the issue, not stopping child sex trafficking, not stopping the fentanyl scourge, none of these things.

01:12:46.000 It's pronouns. I mean, they're not serious people, and yet they're making serious decisions that our children and grandchildren are going to be beholden to that are destructive to our country and our future.

01:12:57.000 And we have to hope that the ordinary American, when they see all of this, which is so brazen and going on all around them, they will realize that these people are doing grave and maybe irreparable harm to the country.

01:13:11.000 Because in the end, if the American people don't wake up and say, stop, who's going to do that?

01:13:15.000 In other words, this stuff will all continue and just get worse and worse.

01:13:19.000 And at some point, as you say, you know, when the jaws of a police state fully slam shut, our options become really limited.

01:13:26.000 All we can do is run, right?

01:13:27.000 Get out, get your family out, get your money out.

01:13:30.000 And that even raises the question of where to run to, because so many of these police state practices are now in Canada, they're in Australia, New Zealand, they're across Europe.

01:13:39.000 So it's almost like the world is now divided into Chinese style police states and Western style police states.

01:13:46.000 What a terrifying prospect.

01:13:48.000 Yeah, I mean, obviously the police state's pretty scary, but I also want to, you know, talk a little bit about 2,000 Mules, you know, the illegal ballot harvesting operations in a state like Georgia.

01:14:01.000 What do we do to stop that?

01:14:02.000 Obviously you exposed it.

01:14:04.000 Obviously people are seeing it's real.

01:14:05.000 Just this week, you know, I guess it was Georgia and maybe Arizona, you know, oh, well, you know, yeah, sure, you know, I know the envelopes are part of it, but we destroyed the evidence.

01:14:15.000 I mean... All of the things that you called out in the movie there, they're now acknowledging, you know, three years later, you know, once they get the result that they want, right?

01:14:25.000 You know, there's not like a mea culpa.

01:14:27.000 There's not a, well, we can't do anything about it now.

01:14:29.000 You know, I guess the excuse in Arizona is, well, it would be disruptive to the state.

01:14:33.000 Oh, yeah, to look into actual fraud that transpired.

01:14:36.000 I mean, you know, no, it's just disruptive to the Democrat cause.

01:14:40.000 Is there a way to stop...

01:14:43.000 What you saw, what you documented from transpiring in 2024?

01:14:48.000 Because that's probably the most, you know, asked question, not just on, you know, when I'm scrolling and reading the commentary from you tonight, but literally on any show that I do.

01:14:58.000 You know, what's your response to those on the left who say that there still isn't evidence of illegal voting, given what you've uncovered?

01:15:06.000 And what do we tell the How do we do that?

01:15:19.000 Well, with regard to the left, you know, when 2000 Mules came out, we acknowledged in the film that here we have this cell phone evidence, but we don't have the names of mules.

01:15:33.000 We have cell phone IDs.

01:15:35.000 It's going to take law enforcement to get the names.

01:15:37.000 It's very easy. You can get the names from the cell phone provider, but you need a warrant to do that.

01:15:42.000 Well, law enforcement can get the warrants.

01:15:44.000 And number two, you've got all these people and you can see them on camera.

01:15:48.000 And so, why not interview the mules and find out, you know, here you are, you're showing up at 3 a.m.

01:15:55.000 in the morning, you're looking around to make sure no one's watching you.

01:15:58.000 You've got a backpack or a satchel full of ballots.

01:16:01.000 Then you walk up, you have gloves on, you drop the ballots in, one, two, three, four, and so on.

01:16:07.000 Then you take off your gloves and put it in a trash can.

01:16:10.000 Then you take a photo of the ballot box.

01:16:13.000 Give us the explanation that makes sense of that behavior.

01:16:17.000 If you're not trying to not have fingerprints on the ballot, why the gloves?

01:16:21.000 If it's COVID, why take off the gloves?

01:16:24.000 Why would you take a photo, not a photo of yourself, a selfie like I voted, why are you taking photos of a ballot box If not, like a DoorDash driver to say, I did the job, I delivered the ballots.

01:16:36.000 So if that's not the purpose, what was your purpose?

01:16:39.000 So interestingly, even though we put that challenge out in the film, notice how no one took us up on this.

01:16:45.000 There was not single law enforcement authority, no Democrat go, okay, Let's prove that Dinesh is completely wrong. 0.98

01:16:51.000 Let's go talk to all those people in the movie, put them all on CNN, they'll all give a perfectly good explanation of what they were doing, and Dinesh will look like a complete fool.

01:16:59.000 No one dared to do that for the simple reason that they knew, as well as you and me, that they didn't dare to talk to those people or launch an investigation because of a fear of what they might find.

01:17:12.000 So what do we do?

01:17:13.000 What can the average viewer do to get involved and ensure that it doesn't happen again in 2024?

01:17:20.000 The average viewer can just do a few things like become a poll watcher or become a poll judge.

01:17:26.000 Do your best to put your eyes on the process.

01:17:29.000 That's what you can do. But there's a lot that the campaigns can do.

01:17:33.000 There's a lot that the RNC can do.

01:17:34.000 Look, right now it says in the election rules, coming out of CISA, the Cybersecurity Infrastructure Agency, That all drop boxes should have 24-hour video surveillance.

01:17:44.000 This was not done in 2020.

01:17:46.000 There were whole states where there was no video at all.

01:17:48.000 Even in states where they had video, lots of the boxes did not have surveillance.

01:17:53.000 And so, simply insisting that every single drop box have 24-hour surveillance, I mean, such a simple step.

01:18:01.000 You don't need new laws. It's already in the rules.

01:18:03.000 So the Republicans simply need to insist that that rule be enforced.

01:18:07.000 So that's not the end of the story.

01:18:09.000 It's only the beginning of the story.

01:18:10.000 But if you won't even do that, then you're clearly not serious about trying to have any kind of election integrity at all.

01:18:19.000 Obviously, you're still dealing with a primary.

01:18:22.000 There's debates every week.

01:18:24.000 Trump's got a 60-point lead.

01:18:25.000 It sort of feels like we're wasting a lot of money that could be used towards preventing the other side ballot harvesting or starting up our own similar operations where we don't have the control to make the changes because you have to control the state legislatures.

01:18:39.000 And even where we control that, like D.C., oftentimes the Republicans are weak.

01:18:44.000 What's your assessment on of the state of the 2024 race.

01:18:48.000 You know, my father's polling better than ever, but, you know, you're also up against all of these corrupt institutions.

01:18:54.000 You're up against sort of the billionaire conservative donor class.

01:18:57.000 What's the roadmap to MAGA victory in 2024?

01:19:03.000 Well, I think for some of these other guys who are running, I'm thinking here like of a Nikki Haley or even a DeSantis, I think that they're not only their best hope, but really their only hope is that if somehow your dad is not on the ticket.

01:19:17.000 In other words, that for some reason he cannot run.

01:19:20.000 And it's almost like they're running in that hope or that expectation because I can't see any other realistic path for them to get the nomination.

01:19:29.000 They're actually cheering for the police state to get what they want.

01:19:33.000 They're really against it, except for if it benefits them politically.

01:19:37.000 I mean, that was sort of the take on the DeSantis.

01:19:40.000 Well, that's not really a thing.

01:19:42.000 Then Trump gets indicted. Well, you know, maybe it's not.

01:19:45.000 But, you know, well, let me ride it out and let's see where it goes.

01:19:48.000 It's pretty scary, actually, that conservatives could even think that way right now.

01:19:53.000 Well, I was following a very interesting commentary about why DeSantis has not defended even January 6th protesters who are from Florida.

01:20:02.000 Like, why isn't he defending people from his own state?

01:20:05.000 And I think the reason is this.

01:20:06.000 If DeSantis were to admit The January 6th guys are being shafted.

01:20:11.000 He would then have to admit that they might have had a point in going to DC. In other words, their concerns about a stolen election might be plausible.

01:20:20.000 And once you admit that the 2020 election might have been stolen, You now have to consider the possibility that you've basically got a usurper, an illegitimate guy in the White House.

01:20:29.000 Your dad should be the one in the White House.

01:20:32.000 And if your dad should be the one in the White House now, then what is the case for not making him the candidate to at least have a chance to get into the White House next year?

01:20:41.000 So all of this would then suggest that DeSantis should never have run in 2024.

01:20:46.000 He should have kept his prouder dry and waited for 2028.

01:20:50.000 But I think because he's in now, He can't go down that road because the logic of going down that road is impossible because it undermines the logic of his candidacy.

01:21:02.000 No, that makes a lot of sense.

01:21:04.000 So before we wrap up, will you let the audience know where they can see police data as well as, if they haven't already, 2,000 mules so that they can get caught up on all of this?

01:21:12.000 Because like I always say, it's because of them and because of this audience and because of these sort of alternate We're good to go.

01:21:47.000 And how they can be involved in that as well.

01:21:50.000 Sure. With regard to Police State, it's now streaming on a number of platforms, but you should go to the website, which is policestatefilm.net.

01:22:00.000 Also, DVDs are available.

01:22:01.000 You can order them there. We've got like five packs, 10 packs.

01:22:04.000 So they're really good for stocking stuffers.

01:22:06.000 And so that's a great way to support the movie.

01:22:09.000 2,000 Mules, about a month ago, I put it up for a weekend free on X on the former Twitter.

01:22:15.000 And it got millions of views.

01:22:17.000 And I'm likely to do that again because once a movie's been out a year or so, we've recovered the money for our investors and so on.

01:22:24.000 And so I don't mind giving these movies the widest possible distribution.

01:22:28.000 So I'll be in touch with your dad, but I think we should push the idea of making 2,000 mules easy for everyone to see.

01:22:36.000 Your dad had put out a truth a little while ago saying, oh, it's tough to see 2,000 mules.

01:22:41.000 Well, I want it to be really easy.

01:22:43.000 But also support Police State and go to the website policestatefilm.net.

01:22:48.000 Well, you know, I really appreciate it.

01:22:49.000 Appreciate the time. You know, when you do that, let me know.

01:22:52.000 I'll make sure that people know where they can do it.

01:22:54.000 I'm happy to get that out there because, again, we're all in this together.

01:22:58.000 So, Dinesh, thank you for everything that you do.

01:22:59.000 Thanks for being a great leader in this fight.

01:23:02.000 It's really important and I look forward to seeing you soon, my friend.

01:23:06.000 Thank you very much.

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