Dinesh D'Souza joins us to discuss his new movie, Police State, which exposes how the left is using law enforcement to target its political opponents. Elon Musk calls out Bob Iger for boycotting Disney and the New York Times for pulling their ads, and we talk about why we should all boycott big companies like Disney, Starbucks, and the rest of the liberal elite. Plus, we discuss why our education system is failing and what we can do to fix it. Don't miss it! If you haven't already, go check out Public Square, where you can have a marketplace of people who think like you do. Go check out publicsquare.org/publicsquare and use the promo code POWER10 at checkout to get 10% off your first purchase when you enter the portal. You can also read about the latest headlines on MXM News. That's my app! You download it on any places you get your apps, like minute by minute! Check it out there! It's free and it'll help spread the word about what's going on in the real world. Thank you so much for all the work you're doing to make the world a better place. Tweet me and let us know what you think! Timestamps: 0:00 - What do you think of the new movie Police State? 6:30 - What's your favorite part of the movie? 7: What would you like to see in a police state? 8:15 - What are your thoughts on the new film? 9: What are you looking forward to see? 10:00 11:30 12: What's the worst thing you're watching? 13: What do they do to do in a movie about? 15:40 - How do you want to see me do more? 16:40 17: How can we have a better education in the future of the future? 18:10 - Why do you feel the most powerful? 19:10 21:00 | What are the best way to improve our education? 22:30 | How do we have the most important thing? 23: What can we do better? 25:00: What kind of education should we all be in charge of the country? 26:40 | What do we need to be a smart guy in a democracy? 27:10 | What s your biggest enemy?
00:05:55.000episode of triggered The great filmmaker Dinesh D'Souza is joining us on the show today to discuss his new movie, Police State, which exposes how the left is using law enforcement to target its political opponents.
00:06:12.000I can personally verify that this is true.
00:06:15.000Frankly, anyone who's been watching for the last few years can verify that.
00:06:19.000But, you know, the attacks on me and my family have been a little bit more personal.
00:06:22.000You also know Dinesh from his major films like 2,000 Mules, Trump Card, and Death of a Nation.
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00:06:49.000So check it out. But tonight's episode is going to be fun.
00:06:52.000I'm also going to be watching for your guys' questions because I know so many of you guys, it's not just about complaining about these things.
00:07:27.000Because we're actually showing you the news that's not going to show up elsewhere in the algorithm or on Google or any of the other places that only cater to the narrative.
00:07:36.000So I can assure you, you're not going to want to miss tonight's interview with Dinesh.
00:07:40.000But before we get to that, I want to talk about another interview.
00:07:46.000Elon Musk was at a New York Times event yesterday and was asked about major advertisers like Disney and the Washington Post, boycotting X, formerly Twitter, and pulling their ads.
00:10:44.000Watch what he has to say here and wonder to yourself if this guy should be in charge of America's education or perhaps the fact that people like this guy are in fact in charge of our education.
00:10:57.000Why we are failing miserably on a world stage and kids can't read or do basic math when they graduate high school.
00:11:07.000Watch for yourself. We're going to set up follow-up calls with every governor we met with to make sure we're available.
00:11:14.000As I think it was President Reagan said, we're from the government.
00:11:17.000We're here to help. There are resources there, there's technical assistance there, and there's a playbook that could support the work you're doing.
00:12:05.000The education secretary, the guy who's in charge of setting education policy in the United States of America, is a complete buffoon.
00:12:15.000He actually quoted the inverse of what Reagan said.
00:12:20.000He tried saying the government is a great, helpful partnership, as opposed to Reagan, who basically said that anything the government touches turns to shit, which is, of course, accurate.
00:12:29.000If you've been watching the Biden administration, you know that's 100% true.
00:12:36.000The whole Biden administration is like this.
00:12:40.000For example, the Department of Homeland Security just sent out a directive to Border Patrol agents telling them to use, and I quote, gender neutral language.
00:12:53.000And to ask illegal immigrants for their preferred pronouns.
00:12:57.000Now, I'd love to see the body cam footage of this actually going down.
00:13:02.000Because while I'm not for this, I imagine it would be better than any episode of Cops ever filmed.
00:13:09.000Watching migrants, confused as to what the hell a pronoun even is, and that there are more than two genders, apparently.
00:13:17.000And And trying to go through the 9,476 genders that they claim are out there, this is what they're worried about.
00:13:31.000Certainly not the fentanyl crisis that has turned every state in America into a border state.
00:13:36.000A drug that has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans.
00:13:40.000Of course, that's not the Biden administration's concern.
00:13:43.000It's making sure that we use the migrants' preferred pronouns.
00:13:47.000I have a feeling that exactly zero of these migrants, whether we like it or not, have preferred pronouns because they probably actually have real stuff to worry about in their lives one way or the other after going through that journey.
00:14:02.000Biden wants the Border Patrol to use they-them pronouns and to let them come into the country without fear of deportation because of course they do.
00:14:12.000It doesn't matter if it brings incredible violent crime.
00:14:17.000Look at the rape statistics in Europe, Sweden, and Germany, and where all of it comes from.
00:14:23.000It happens to be the migrants, but that doesn't matter as long as they'll vote Democrat forever.
00:14:29.000Who cares about what happens to your children?
00:14:31.000Who cares about what happens to our infrastructure?
00:14:34.000Whether it's healthcare or education or otherwise.
00:15:19.000Israel murdered their own people on October 7th.
00:15:23.000Calling Hamas a terrorist organization is ridiculous, racist, and plays into genocidal propaganda that is flooding our media and that we should be doing everything possible to combat.
00:15:31.000I support the right of Palestinians to resist occupation, including through Hamas, the armed
00:15:36.000wing of the unified Palestinian resistance.
00:15:53.000Seriously, it's all the rage, apparently, in the LBGTQIA++ insanity.
00:17:25.000Now they want to jail you for that for hate speech.
00:17:28.000But... You know, if an Algerian stabs a bunch of children and there are protests, you have immigrant counselors elected to office in Ireland that literally want to shoot the protesters in the head.
00:19:58.000Something that I don't know that we've ever heard of.
00:20:00.000And probably anyone who had been to a Chiefs game, or perhaps in the past, the Washington Redskins before the woke took over that and turned it into commanders, or the Atlanta Braves had traditionally done.
00:20:23.000Hopefully he sues the hell out of them.
00:20:25.000This sort of weaponization against all that is good and innocent, all that we've ever done traditionally as a country, It's a problem, and we can't just let it continue.
00:20:38.000Everything's racist to the radical left.
00:21:24.000New data reveals that the typical American household now has to spend an extra $11,000 a year to maintain the same quality of life they had in 2021.
00:22:15.000There's not a day that goes by that he doesn't have a serious mental breakdown.
00:22:23.000Biden's cognitive implosion is why special counsel Jack Smith is not only targeting my father, but now he's targeting the entire America First movement.
00:22:37.000It was recently revealed that Jack Smith, you know, this is the prosecutor that's going after my dad for her insurrection, you know, the first unarmed insurrection in the history of the world, got a warrant for a list of Twitter users who have favorited or retweeted tweets posted by my father's account.
00:22:58.000Think of that. He had like, what, 80, 90 million people?
00:23:00.000Anyone who interacted with that account is now on a list by the government.
00:23:06.000That's a list of tens of millions of Americans, if not more.
00:23:12.000But the good news is, there are signs that it's backfiring on Biden.
00:23:17.000Here's Tucker Carlson explaining how the Mar-a-Lago raid convinced him to be all in on Trump 2024, echoing the sentiment of more and more Americans each and every day.
00:23:33.000Trump supporter when they raided Mar-a-Lago last summer, the summer of 2022.
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00:27:28.000So guys, with that, joining me now, great filmmaker, America First Patriot, the man who made the movie about the police state, Dinesh D'Souza.
00:29:13.000Then Jack Smith suggests that your father, you know, Donald Trump might be a flight risk of some sort.
00:29:21.000The judge goes, yeah, that might actually be the case.
00:29:24.000So I guess what I'm saying is that you've got this naked brutality, this absurdity of collecting all the people who like President Trump's tweets.
00:29:35.000Why would you want to do that unless you were trying to create some sort of database information?
00:29:39.000Some kind of list of political enemies so that if not Jack Smith, somebody else in the Democratic camp could start going after those people.
00:29:48.000But all of this is done as if to say we're going through a legal process.
00:29:54.000So our police state pretends to be saving democracy and upholding the rule of law and affirming freedom and protecting truth from misinformation and disinformation.
00:30:05.000So the job of a movie like mine is to strip the facade, remove the veil, show people the sheer thuggishness that lies behind this emerging police state.
00:30:15.000Yeah, I mean, it's sort of the movie you hope you never actually have to make, right?
00:30:20.000I mean, this feels like some sort of despotic film, but it's a documentary because it is actually happening.
00:30:29.000It means things have gone from bad to worse.
00:30:33.000What did you learn while putting it together that perhaps you weren't aware of otherwise?
00:30:38.000Yeah. Talk about that process where it started, you know, to where you got to the finished product and what you learned in that process.
00:30:47.000Well, part of it, you know, the start of it was I was thinking back to my early career in America and how I always thought of America as the leader of the free world.
00:30:56.000I contrasted America with the unfree world, which, of course, was North Korea, China, the old Soviet Union.
00:31:03.000And then I said to myself, well, let's make...
00:31:06.000A list of the defining characteristics of these tyrannical societies, these police states around the world.
00:31:13.000You have mass surveillance of citizens, systematic censorship, ideological indoctrination in the schools and the media.
00:31:21.000You have criminalization of political differences, the attempt to lock up the leader of the opposition party.
00:31:27.000You have political prisoners So I go down that checklist and I say, well, how many of those things do we see now here in the United States?
00:31:35.000And the answer, dismayingly, is all of them.
00:31:37.000To one degree or another, all the defining features of police states are now evident in our own country.
00:31:43.000It's a shocking and disturbing realization.
00:31:46.000Yeah, I mean, it certainly seems that way, right?
00:31:48.000When you think of the other police states of the world, obviously, I think China comes to mind, right?
00:31:56.000Perhaps the only difference that I can actually think of at this point is that there are still those out there in America who are naive enough to believe that we are actually different, that we are the Constitutional Republic, that everyone says we are.
00:32:12.000We're actually living in that same police state, which probably makes it worse.
00:32:16.000Because until guys like you are making movies like this or guys like me are calling it out or they see what's going on to my father, you're living in a world through rose-colored glasses.
00:32:29.000We're looking at a prism that is painting a much more beautiful picture than what actually exists.
00:32:36.000What are the sort of police state tactics that you expect to see in the next year that
00:33:01.000I would say on a scale of 1 to 10, we are somewhere around 6.
00:33:05.000But I'm also struck by the speed at which we have gone from 1 to 6.
00:33:11.000So while all of this may go back to 9-11 and some of the expansion of surveillance powers given to the government at that time, the truth of it is much of this has happened just under Biden.
00:33:45.000What will Republican attorneys general and secretaries of state do?
00:33:49.000Because it's my firm view that the passivity of the Republicans provokes the aggression of the Democrats and of the left.
00:33:57.000It's like a bully. If he finds that the kids are all running scared, the bully gets even more excited and wants to increase the bullying tactics.
00:34:05.000The moment the kids decide, let's get together and ambush this guy in the back alley and kick him in the shins, then he's going to feel a taste of his own medicine.
00:34:24.000My father has faced him. But when it was sort of Donald Trump going out there by himself and he's taking all the slings and arrows, Man, it's actually easy to take out the most powerful man in the world.
00:34:36.000Now that people are awake, now that they're starting to understand that, if they get vocal, if they get involved, I think we make it a lot harder for them.
00:34:46.000The bullies are usually only bullies when they are running scared, but the second they get actually someone pushing back on them, it changes dramatically.
00:34:53.000What are the things that just ordinary Americans...
00:35:34.000And I think we're getting awfully close to that point of no return.
00:35:38.000But I think it's incumbent upon all of us to fight back.
00:35:42.000How do we do that? Well, let's try to think about what does it mean to succeed against them, right?
00:35:50.000So in my own case, going back to 2013, I realized that the real goal of the Obama Justice Department, Eric Holder and those guys, it wasn't merely to incarcerate me.
00:36:03.000Their main goal was this guy's a political enemy.
00:36:26.000On the other hand, if I came out of the whole process, and my career was bigger than it was before, then they fail.
00:36:32.000So now let's apply the same test to your dad.
00:36:35.000Their goal here is to make sure that your dad is politically immobilized, physically immobilized if need be, but the real goal is to prevent him from winning the 2024 election.
00:36:47.000If he wins the 2024 election, it's a giant up yours to the police state.
00:36:53.000Not to mention the fact that you now have a guy in charge of the executive branch who can do a lot to dismantle the organs of the police state, whether it be the FBI, whether it be the DHS and so on.
00:37:02.000You can renovate those places from the top to bottom.
00:37:15.000And the main thing here is to use your influence.
00:37:19.000Get involved in your own sphere of influence.
00:37:21.000Run for school board, become an election judge or a poll watcher as a volunteer, put some eyes on the process.
00:37:27.000So, whatever you can do within your sphere of influence, you should do.
00:37:32.000Most people, unfortunately, use a very tiny fraction of the influence they have.
00:37:36.000One of the things I've been trying to do in my own career, try to use all my influence to take the skills that I have and try to get the messages out that I'm able to do to a wide audience.
00:37:48.000Yeah, no. And, you know, that's not always easy.
00:37:50.000I get it. I mean, I remember when I used to be able to build buildings in peace and we did really well and we had an incredible business and they'd try to take that away from us in New York and then they'd try to go after us in different ways.
00:38:00.000And, you know, I understand that I am not the upstanding citizen that Hunter Biden is, but, you know, I did 50 hours of testimony for treason, a crime punishable by death, kind of a big deal.
00:38:12.000And they're shocked that Hunter Biden, Democrat, I can't believe Hunter Biden would come in.
00:38:17.000There's no evidence other than the receipts, other than the emails, other than 80,000 anonymous
00:38:22.000emails sent by a Joe Biden alias, other than the grandchildren and ex-girlfriends getting
00:39:36.000And then the police state says, well, who are the people who are trying to block the police state?
00:39:40.000Who are the people who, if they had the power, would start dismantling the police state?
00:39:44.000Oh, well, that's the MAGA Republicans.
00:39:46.000That's Donald Trump. Okay, so just like the family dog, which is friendly toward family members but barks at strangers, the police state is friendly to the people it sees as building up the police state and hostile to people like you and me and your dad, who are seen as sort of threats to the police state.
00:40:04.000So talk about, you know, maybe the dichotomy.
00:40:06.000Obviously, you know, when we talk about the police state, we're not talking about police and law enforcement, per se, because, I mean, certainly on a local level, you know, I can't think of a group that's more sort of, you know, America first MAGA than local police.
00:40:46.000Police officers, whether that's state troopers or local sheriff's departments or whatever it may be, but policing from the highest branches of government, that they want as much as they could possibly have of.
00:41:00.000Right. A police state becomes when the institutions of law, the police agencies of the government, stop caring about the law in the traditional sense.
00:41:11.000They are now more concerned with going after political opponents.
00:41:15.000They're more concerned with shutting down dissidents.
00:41:18.000They're more concerned with weaponizing the apparatus of government.
00:41:23.000In order to move toward a one-party state.
00:41:25.000Let's think about this. All police states are one-party states.
00:41:27.000This does not mean they don't have elections.
00:41:31.000China has elections. But the opposition is always controlled.
00:41:35.000No effective opposition is allowed to emerge.
00:41:38.000One of the questions I wrestle with in the film, and I think there's an original treatment of this, is it explores the question of how an agency like the FBI or the DHS can get decent people to do indecent things.
00:41:51.000In other words, how do you get, let's just take a normal FBI guy who's got a wife and family, he's got a two-car garage.
00:41:57.000How do you get this guy to kick in the door of a 70-year-old grandmother, like pull her hair to the ground if she resists and pull her by the feet down the stairs?
00:42:07.000Pull her out into the driveway where her neighbors can come out and gawk at her, helpfully tip off CNN so the cameras are there to humiliate her.
00:42:15.000How do you get a decent person to do something so manifestly evil?
00:42:20.000That's part of the ingenuity of the police state.
00:42:22.000They figured out a way to make good people do really bad things.
00:42:37.000But, you know, I guess the reality is there are still going to be bad people and the people who are willing to do those things and the people and conversely, the people who espouse any conservatives believe, you know, they get to go guard a federal office building in Guam and And if you're a radical leftist and you espouse the insanity, you get the promotion.
00:42:57.000If you show, hey, I don't want to take the vaccine, that's it.
00:43:00.000That's it. Sure, yeah, maybe you'll keep your job, but you're never getting a promotion again.
00:43:04.000You're going to be stuck in the middle, and you'll never go anywhere until your career is over.
00:43:10.000You know, they've weaponized that very explicitly.
00:43:13.000How do you break that up once you have sort of decades of this stuff going on where these Marxists have taken over the highest echelons of all of these institutions in our government?
00:43:25.000Well, first of all, you do need the executive branch because these agencies, whether DHS, DOJ, FBI, all of these are part of the executive branch.
00:43:41.000But the truth of it is, if you get the executive branch, You then need to have the kind of bureaucratic infighters that can sort of go in with a blowtorch into these agencies, because what's happened is the structure of incentives is what is really perverted.
00:43:57.000By and large, the ordinary FBI agent is told, if you want to be a company man, if you want to get a promotion, you want to get a bonus at the end of the year, you don't want to be seen as a troublemaker, okay, your focus should be January 6th and not, let's say, child trafficking.
00:44:12.000And number two, don't worry about whether the person that you're making an arrest of is a good guy or a bad guy.
00:44:33.000If no answer, we go right through the door.
00:44:35.000So you've got to learn, this is our procedure.
00:44:37.000This is our process. This is how you get to be a good guy who kind of Follows the orders of the team and earns your FBI badge that way.
00:44:46.000So this is the corrupt incentives that are now built into these massive sort of governmental corporations, and we need to go inside of them and change the incentives.
00:44:57.000It takes sort of bureaucratic infighters to do that, but it can be done.
00:45:02.000So I've been explicit in calling these radicals Marxists or, you know, communists.
00:45:07.000Now, you know, obviously Marx wasn't talking about preferred pronouns, but how do they use Marxism to further their destruction or the ideas thereof?
00:45:19.000Well, Marxism supplies the kind of general template.
00:45:24.000So under Marx, society is divided between two camps, the exploiter and the exploited.
00:45:31.000So this is the aspect of Marxism, the social division, the legitimation of hatred and violence toward the so-called exploiting class.
00:45:40.000Now for Marx, that exploiting class were the bourgeois, the greedy capitalists, and the exploited were the working class.
00:45:47.000But I think what happened in America is that a lot of leftists realized that there are racial divisions, gender divisions in America that run deeper than class divisions.
00:45:58.000The ordinary working class guy doesn't want to kill his boss.
00:46:09.000In this country, to foster division if you don't say class, but you say race.
00:46:14.000And so what's happened is the left in this country has tried to divide society not just two ways, not just between rich and poor, which is the Marxist idea, but black against white, male against female, heterosexual against gay, now the transgender issue.
00:46:30.000So it's a modified form of Marxism, not classical Marxism, but Marxism with a kind of racial and gender spin.
00:46:39.000Yeah, everyone's either an oppressor or the oppressed.
00:46:44.000And I guess they need that because that creates that kind of division.
00:46:48.000You see the left calling anyone who's a conservative a fascist, and yet they're the ones trying to jail their political opponents.
00:46:55.000They're the ones that are exercising violence in the streets.
00:46:59.000Theirs are the ones that are literally cheering for the murder and beheading and rape of young
00:47:19.000We understand what the deep state's been doing for a long time.
00:47:22.000It all came out under Trump, whether it's Trump derangement syndrome or they just accelerated their plans.
00:47:28.000Does it get to the point where ordinary Americans, not like you or me or perhaps even the people watching this show, but where ordinary Americans finally get it?
00:47:40.000Meaning our education system has been indoctrinating these children since they were three years old and they're not actually capable of the thought that it takes to realize what exactly is going on because it's so ridiculous sometimes.
00:47:53.000It's so in your face that I can't imagine a sentient being with a greater than single digit IQ actually not figuring it out already.
00:48:06.000Well, I find, you know, I've been speaking on campus now going back to the 1990s, and I noticed something happened somewhere around 2007, 2008.
00:48:15.000And that is that prior to that, you had liberals on the campus, but there were also conservatives.
00:48:21.000The liberals knew what the conservative argument was, and you could actually have a lively discussion.
00:48:27.000They would be like, oh, Mr. D'Souza, you don't know what you're talking about.
00:48:44.000They've never had a single friend, a single professor who has exposed them to anything other than one set of ideas.
00:48:52.000And so, this is sort of the true meaning of indoctrination.
00:48:55.000In a sense, you don't even have the mental lens to be able to come up with rival arguments because you haven't been given the baseline of knowledge in which you even know the things that would allow you to think that way.
00:49:07.000So it is a crisis, I think, in the education system.
00:49:10.000I'm not quite sure how it can all be fixed.
00:49:13.000I don't think it's going to be an easy job to take back 2,000 universities that are now firmly in the grasp of the other side.
00:49:21.000But I do think that there are plenty of Americans who are capable of waking up Part of it is we've never had a police state in this country.
00:49:28.000I mean, I guess blacks lived in a police state in the antebellum South.
00:49:31.000But for the whole country, we've never had that.
00:49:34.000Most Americans, if you say police state, they think of like, you know, a Stalin overcoat, a Hitler mustache.
00:49:39.000So it's hard for Americans to believe it can happen here.
00:49:44.000And that's why in the film, what I do is I show a lot of ordinary people.
00:49:48.000I mean, I show your dad. I talk about January 6th.
00:49:51.000But I also have a lot of ordinary guys just going about their life and then bam, they come face to face with the police state and they can't believe it.
00:50:52.000That one side isn't even talked about, meaning one side doesn't even exist.
00:50:56.000The notion of just sort of a rote memorization of these things.
00:51:00.000I have a friend that got into a similar program at one of these top schools because it was a very specific program.
00:51:05.000They only had it at this. It was at NYU, of all places, in New York City.
00:51:09.000Very liberal. And this is a super conservative kid.
00:51:12.000And he basically was like, well, how'd you actually get in?
00:51:14.000He goes, well... I wrote my essay about being a trans...
00:51:18.000He's like, I literally took everything crazy about it and I weaponized it against them for my benefit because I wanted to get into the specific program.
00:51:24.000Of course, he got in with flying colors.
00:51:28.000How scary is that, though, that some of these...
00:51:31.000When we say elite universities, they don't feel that elite to me.
00:51:34.000I don't know that I'd hire anyone from these institutions, whereas they would have been perhaps the gold standard 20 years ago, because I don't know that they're actually capable of thought other than just regurgitating what they've been indoctrinated with.
00:51:50.000I think, for example, I used to assume certain things about, let's say, a Dartmouth grad or somebody who went to Swarthmore or Berkeley, that there was a certain level of academic preparation, of intellectual sophistication.
00:52:28.000CNN will have a panel, it's like 11 guys, and they all think the same.
00:52:31.000Well, I concur with the previous guest, and I concur with the previous guest.
00:52:35.000And so, you feel like you're in a surreal atmosphere where everything is staged, and all the arguments that you, the audience, can think of, well, what about that?
00:53:43.000You know, whatever, whoever actually is in charge is putting in front of him.
00:53:46.000So he's probably been very effective for the Marxists and the communists because they're not worried about preserving his legacy.
00:53:53.000If he destroys America in the process, that's fine for their political gain.
00:53:57.000But do you see others ever coming around to that?
00:54:00.000Do you see what's going on in mainstream media where, you know, ratings are just going down?
00:54:05.000Because you're right. Like, I I don't need to watch more than a couple minutes of mainstream cable news because it's literally just the same thing.
00:54:17.000There is no one willing to have an intellectually honest debate about anything.
00:54:21.000They just say what they say and they say it over and over and over for 24 hours.
00:54:26.000Absolutely. I mean, with regard to Chris Cuomo, so I predict this is what's going to happen.
00:54:31.000The next 48 hours are critical because police states love to maintain party discipline.
00:54:36.000So there will now be everybody that Chris Cuomo knows on his own side, which is going to be most of the people he knows, are going to be calling him.
00:54:42.000And telling him to back off of what he said and to apologize and to claim that he didn't mean it or that, you know, he hadn't had enough sleep the previous night.
00:54:52.000In other words, to repudiate what he says because they can't afford to have people like Chris Cuomo saying this kind of stuff.
00:55:01.000And so they have a very effective system of bludgeoning to keep people in line.
00:55:05.000I think this is really a very scary phenomenon.
00:55:08.000It actually goes back, when I had my case, you know, and I lived in D.C., so I was part of the D.C. culture.
00:55:13.000I knew a lot of guys who worked for the New Republic.
00:55:15.000I wrote for those magazines, the Washington Post, the New York Times.
00:55:19.000I would see those guys in Trove or Bookstore.
00:55:21.000So when my case came up on campaign finance, I'd see these guys from the Washington Post, like at the bookstore, they'd be like, Dinesh, you know, looks like you're getting the shaft, man.
00:55:31.000I'm being defended by Megyn Kelly on Fox News, but it'd be really nice if you said that in the Washington Post.
00:55:37.000And they'd be like, sorry, you know, can't do that.
00:55:40.000And so this is when I realized that there is a system on the left of making sure that on issues that are important to them, there is virtually no deviation.
00:55:51.000I mean, this is why not a single journalist on the left ran with the Hunter Biden story, because they knew.
00:56:00.000This is not a police state like Russia or Nazi Germany where Goebbels puts out an edict, no journalist can write about the Hunter Biden story or you'll be executed tomorrow morning.
00:56:10.000No, you've got all these independent journalists, but none of them did it, except the New York Post.
00:56:14.000Now, why is that? I think it's because they knew that any guy who does that is going to have a sword falling on his head, his career is going to be destroyed, and He will never be able to work in this town again, and so the level of conformity is backed up by the fact that the police state and the left can enforce this kind of mass obedience.
00:56:36.000I mean, I get that a lot, because again, prior to politics and stuff like that, obviously being in business in New York, you're surrounded by a lot of liberal journalists, and I see it with my father's, and frankly mine, because I'm guilty of civil fraud in New York before they ever heard my case in this nonsense, and we're going through it, and Now this supposed victim was on the stand yesterday, the bank, and they're like, no, everything was great.
00:56:57.000What are you talking about? We do our own due diligence.
00:56:59.000We did everything. Everything was paid back.
00:57:00.000We made hundreds of millions. You know, Trump was a whale.
00:57:03.000We used him and those assets to get other business.
00:57:38.000Where's your story about what happened today that the alleged victim is saying, we weren't a victim, this was one of the great deals, Trump wasn't, you know, 10% of our revenue came from Trump organization deals.
00:57:51.000And it doesn't exist. Even if it's said clearly in court, even if that press is in the courtroom watching, even if you think that's clearly newsworthy given how much they would cover the fraud allegations that are total nonsense, still haven't seen the article.
00:58:29.000Let's take, for example, the New York Times.
00:58:32.000You and I know that if, not just UI, let's just say a credible source on the left, We're to walk into the New York Times and say, we have undeniable proof from the horse's mouth that the 2020 election was stolen.
00:58:46.000We're going to sit down with you, show you the evidence.
00:58:49.000You can ask all the questions you want, and we will convince you to your satisfaction that the 2020 election was stolen.
00:59:37.000But I didn't see the big, you know, talking, other than maybe a Tucker talking about these things.
00:59:41.000Yeah. You know, they covered it, but they covered it light.
00:59:44.000They didn't go all in because, again, like the weak rhinos in D.C., the Republicans in name only, you know, they still want to be invited to polite society in New York.
00:59:54.000Their children maybe go to school there, so you're not going to get your kid into school if you're the hardcore Republican actually fighting for these things.
01:00:01.000And so it's not just the fault of sort of leftist media.
01:00:05.000It's actually conservative media for not wanting to actually engage in these battles.
01:00:10.000And so it goes so much further than just sort of it's not right versus left.
01:00:14.000It's actually just sort of, you know, like the unit party in D.C. You just have corporate media doing that.
01:00:21.000And I think you're right. You have to replace it.
01:00:23.000I think it's, you know, you're doing that, you know, on Rumble.
01:00:27.000You're doing it with movies. I'm doing it.
01:00:29.000Not because I was a journalist, but honestly, at this point, I think I have more credibility than the vast majority of the journalists that are out there, because I'll actually take a contrarian approach to something, whether you like it or not.
01:00:42.000The rest, it's like, you see the soundbites, you know, the tweets.
01:00:45.000It's like the same catchphrases, the same words regurgitated over guys that are making $5, $10, $15 million a year.
01:00:53.000They're incapable of an original thought, and they just run with whatever the narrative is.
01:00:59.000And part of it, I think, also is that there are Republican politicians who live in a certain type of fear.
01:01:07.000They know that if the media puts them in its sights and attacks them relentlessly for three weeks, They will never recover.
01:01:16.000In fact, their own side will bury them.
01:01:19.000And so as a result, they become sheepish.
01:01:24.000I mean, sometimes, oddly, when I talk to these guys, they talk to me as if I'm sort of a, some kind of a miracle worker because they're like, man, Dinesh, you know, you're so brave to be out there saying these things.
01:01:35.000And first of all, I don't think that's even true.
01:01:37.000But I think to myself, what you're really saying is that you would never do it.
01:01:41.000What you're saying is that even if you think it, You would never step forward and say it.
01:01:45.000And so all these people are operating at a level of timidity.
01:01:50.000I mean, the level of invertebrate fear in the Republican Party is, to me, a very disgusting thing to behold.
01:01:58.000Yeah. You know, and again, there's consequences to conservatives.
01:02:01.000There's consequences to conservative journalists that you don't have on the other side.
01:02:04.000It was sort of, you know, feel-good story of the day to see some of these, you know, leftist propaganda rags, you know, firing people today because I've seen them go after me.
01:02:12.000There was a story... Going back years now, you know, I went to a friend of mine who's a developer in New York.
01:02:19.000He developed islands and marinas and all this stuff.
01:02:22.000And a big grand opening party at one of his things.
01:02:24.000And this was like three, four years ago.
01:02:26.000My father was president of the United States.
01:02:28.000But the party happened in like 2012 or maybe 2008, something like that.
01:02:33.000I went to this thing and apparently Jeffrey Epstein was there.
01:02:36.000And this reporter calls. They say, we have you, a credible source...
01:02:40.000Two credible sources say that you were on a plane with Jeffrey Epstein going down to the island.
01:02:46.000I was like, first, it wasn't Epstein Island, but just...
01:03:46.000I go, well, why don't you do an article about, you know, all the celebrities that are down, you know, Bill Clinton going down there 54 times, you know, with and without Secret Service, and all the stories that you've seen.
01:03:57.000Like, how come I've never seen you write an article with that, but just the notion that you could somehow tie me to this piece of crap?
01:04:04.000And now when I call you out on it, now that I show you the evidence, it's like I ruined your life.
01:04:11.000We've got to stop pretending that there's even a pretense of these people being good faith actors.
01:04:16.000They're not. They're just propagandists for the regime.
01:04:20.000Absolutely. And I think you would agree with me that today, if the FBI were to come to your door, don't be like some of the January 6th guys and go, hey, I back the blue.
01:04:30.000I like the FBI. Yeah, here's my ID. Ask me any questions you want.
01:04:38.000I'm doing a series on Solzhenitsyn and the Gulag in my podcast, and Solzhenitsyn says that even when the Stalinist officials came to get people at their homes at the train station, they would always go, why me?
01:04:53.000And so instead of looking for really practical things to do, like how can I run or how can I shout so the crowd will come to my defense and they won't be able to drag me away where my life is going to be ruined, people think of this kind of stupid...
01:05:06.000You know, let me cooperate with the authorities because they're on my side when we really should realize they're not.
01:05:15.000If you're watching this now, don't cooperate because they are not looking out for your best searchers.
01:05:20.000Honestly, the best example of this is probably Michael Flynn.
01:05:23.000Right? You know, when they went after him early in my father's administration, he literally was like, okay, no, we're going to settle this.
01:05:30.000Here's what it is. He cooperated, didn't think to have a lawyer, and then, you know, you put a comma in the wrong spot, you get the date in the wrong, whatever it may be.
01:05:37.000You know, I don't even know that he made a mistake.
01:05:41.000But he cooperated, didn't have this, and they threw the entire world at him and then used that as the pretense for weaponization of everything else thereafter.
01:05:50.000So, you know, a guy that served his country loyally forever, a guy that understood what exactly was going on, a guy that was probably working on taking some of that down, still...
01:06:02.000I always said my biggest mistake of my father's administration, not that I was involved in the administration, was I knew Michael Flynn really well from, you know, the campaign, from the transition team, from hanging out with him, for traveling countless hours.
01:06:17.000But even me. Even at the beginning of Russia, Russia, Russia, even with them trying to try me for treason, I still had this notion like, no, no, come on.
01:06:26.000It's the FBI. It's the CIA. There must be something there.
01:06:30.000I didn't go against him, but I was sort of, well, I'm silent because there's got to be something there, right?
01:06:35.000It can't all just be a lie, right, Dinesh?
01:06:37.000And it was all just a lie, and it doesn't matter.
01:06:40.000So we have to understand that very clearly.
01:06:44.000Yeah, absolutely. At some point in my own case, going back several years now, I realized that these Obama lawyers, if they could, would have put me in jail for 20 years over a trivial campaign finance violation that is normally not even prosecuted.
01:06:59.000And this was very eye-opening for me because I realized, you know, They don't just see me as somebody who made a mistake or somebody who's a dissident.
01:07:06.000No, for them, I was a political enemy, and that's how they viewed it.
01:07:10.000So they would have been completely satisfied if some judge gave me a 20-year sentence, I mean, destroying my life.
01:07:15.000So for them, ultimately, this is political war.
01:07:19.000And so we are in an awkward situation where a lot of Republicans are like, well, you know, we can't do the same thing because we're better than that, Dinesh.
01:07:26.000You know, we're the party of principle.
01:07:29.000And I feel like the Republicans are sort of like these guys who go out and covered wagons in 1840.
01:07:34.000Out West, you're encircled by outlaws with long guns.
01:07:37.000They want to burn your homestead, rape your wife, and kill your kids.
01:07:41.000And you're saying things like, well, you know, they've got long guns, but I need to go look at my law books.
01:07:50.000I'm a man of principle. What do you even say to such a person?
01:07:53.000Because they have no grasp of the situation in which they find themselves.
01:07:58.000Yeah, no, you know, again, hopefully all of this is a big awakening.
01:08:01.000I think with that awakening comes a big change.
01:08:03.000And so, you know, what is it that you find, Dinesh, you know, about the America First movement that has these corrupt, bad actors, you know, pressing the panic button?
01:08:33.000It's got to be that at some level, the left realizes that its own positions are intellectually indefensible and also not really popular with the American people.
01:08:44.000Just think about it. If their positions carried merit, if they were not afraid to debate us because they had better arguments, better data, if it turns out that they could put their case before the American people and the American people go, well, obviously we prefer the Democrats, they're the better side, they wouldn't need to do any of this.
01:09:01.000So the reason that they do it, in a strange way, it's a reflection of their intellectual and moral weakness, because they don't want to have to debate.
01:09:08.000They'd rather shut you down. They don't want to have to put their case before the people.
01:09:13.000That's why they cheat in elections and so on.
01:09:15.000When you think back to some of your earlier films, the ones that you did years ago, how much influence does the legacy of Barack Obama have on the extremist left agenda that we're seeing today?
01:09:26.000And when you look back at those first films, perhaps to the later ones, what stands out to you?
01:09:53.000The turning point in the sense that he took a radical left ideology and brought it into the mainstream.
01:10:01.000And he did it because of his sort of style in which he appears to be cerebral.
01:10:06.000He appears to be sort of making fine distinctions.
01:10:08.000Well, you know, we shouldn't confuse ISIS with ISIL. And people think, oh, wow, this is a very professorial guy who's making all these nuanced points.
01:10:17.000But in fact, he's a far left guy who mastered the sort of technique, which by the way, Biden has not mastered and most of the people around Biden have not mastered.
01:10:27.000But Obama was able to take radical ideas and make them sound mainstream.
01:10:33.000And a lot of people, in part because he's the first black president and so on, went along with them.
01:10:49.000I mean, you get you joke about it on social.
01:10:51.000I joke about it. We talk, you know, it's not a laughing matter other than it's so flagrantly ridiculous.
01:10:56.000You know, the leader of the free world can't find his way off of a stage.
01:11:00.000Who you know, what do you think the real chain of command is in the White House today?
01:11:07.000So think of what a scary thing you're asking me, right?
01:11:10.000Because you're basically saying that whenever we look around the world, even let's consider police states around the world, it's really obvious who's running them.
01:11:39.000We don't even know who's running the country?
01:11:40.000What that really means is that there is some kind of a junta that is making these critical decisions.
01:11:46.000Now, Joe Biden's going along with them.
01:11:47.000He's in the canoe. He's an accomplice.
01:11:49.000But we all know he's not steering the canoe.
01:11:51.000So is it Obama? Is it the Obama-ites who are now surrounding Biden?
01:11:56.000It is obviously some combination of that, but it's terrifying that we, at this point, could not say who is making the most important decisions affecting our country.
01:12:07.000Yeah, could it be Obama? Could it be Susan Rice?
01:12:10.000Could it be Valerie Jarrett? Could it be, you know, any one of the top leaders of the DOJ or CIA or the FBI? Or, you know, perhaps they're all working in cahoots, because it does seem like they have anything but America's best interests at heart, and you only see that because of the policies, right? I mean, I don't know if you saw, you know, sort of my intro today, but, you know, the illegal immigrants, we're going to make sure we address them by the appropriate pronouns.
01:12:33.000I mean, you know, I imagine that most of these people have no idea what pronouns even are.
01:12:37.000But we're going to make sure that's the issue, not stopping child sex trafficking, not stopping the fentanyl scourge, none of these things.
01:12:46.000It's pronouns. I mean, they're not serious people, and yet they're making serious decisions that our children and grandchildren are going to be beholden to that are destructive to our country and our future.
01:12:57.000And we have to hope that the ordinary American, when they see all of this, which is so brazen and going on all around them, they will realize that these people are doing grave and maybe irreparable harm to the country.
01:13:11.000Because in the end, if the American people don't wake up and say, stop, who's going to do that?
01:13:15.000In other words, this stuff will all continue and just get worse and worse.
01:13:19.000And at some point, as you say, you know, when the jaws of a police state fully slam shut, our options become really limited.
01:13:27.000Get out, get your family out, get your money out.
01:13:30.000And that even raises the question of where to run to, because so many of these police state practices are now in Canada, they're in Australia, New Zealand, they're across Europe.
01:13:39.000So it's almost like the world is now divided into Chinese style police states and Western style police states.
01:13:48.000Yeah, I mean, obviously the police state's pretty scary, but I also want to, you know, talk a little bit about 2,000 Mules, you know, the illegal ballot harvesting operations in a state like Georgia.
01:14:04.000Obviously people are seeing it's real.
01:14:05.000Just this week, you know, I guess it was Georgia and maybe Arizona, you know, oh, well, you know, yeah, sure, you know, I know the envelopes are part of it, but we destroyed the evidence.
01:14:15.000I mean... All of the things that you called out in the movie there, they're now acknowledging, you know, three years later, you know, once they get the result that they want, right?
01:14:25.000You know, there's not like a mea culpa.
01:14:27.000There's not a, well, we can't do anything about it now.
01:14:29.000You know, I guess the excuse in Arizona is, well, it would be disruptive to the state.
01:14:33.000Oh, yeah, to look into actual fraud that transpired.
01:14:36.000I mean, you know, no, it's just disruptive to the Democrat cause.
01:14:43.000What you saw, what you documented from transpiring in 2024?
01:14:48.000Because that's probably the most, you know, asked question, not just on, you know, when I'm scrolling and reading the commentary from you tonight, but literally on any show that I do.
01:14:58.000You know, what's your response to those on the left who say that there still isn't evidence of illegal voting, given what you've uncovered?
01:15:06.000And what do we tell the How do we do that?
01:15:19.000Well, with regard to the left, you know, when 2000 Mules came out, we acknowledged in the film that here we have this cell phone evidence, but we don't have the names of mules.
01:15:35.000It's going to take law enforcement to get the names.
01:15:37.000It's very easy. You can get the names from the cell phone provider, but you need a warrant to do that.
01:15:42.000Well, law enforcement can get the warrants.
01:15:44.000And number two, you've got all these people and you can see them on camera.
01:15:48.000And so, why not interview the mules and find out, you know, here you are, you're showing up at 3 a.m.
01:15:55.000in the morning, you're looking around to make sure no one's watching you.
01:15:58.000You've got a backpack or a satchel full of ballots.
01:16:01.000Then you walk up, you have gloves on, you drop the ballots in, one, two, three, four, and so on.
01:16:07.000Then you take off your gloves and put it in a trash can.
01:16:10.000Then you take a photo of the ballot box.
01:16:13.000Give us the explanation that makes sense of that behavior.
01:16:17.000If you're not trying to not have fingerprints on the ballot, why the gloves?
01:16:21.000If it's COVID, why take off the gloves?
01:16:24.000Why would you take a photo, not a photo of yourself, a selfie like I voted, why are you taking photos of a ballot box If not, like a DoorDash driver to say, I did the job, I delivered the ballots.
01:16:36.000So if that's not the purpose, what was your purpose?
01:16:39.000So interestingly, even though we put that challenge out in the film, notice how no one took us up on this.
01:16:45.000There was not single law enforcement authority, no Democrat go, okay, Let's prove that Dinesh is completely wrong.
01:16:51.000Let's go talk to all those people in the movie, put them all on CNN, they'll all give a perfectly good explanation of what they were doing, and Dinesh will look like a complete fool.
01:16:59.000No one dared to do that for the simple reason that they knew, as well as you and me, that they didn't dare to talk to those people or launch an investigation because of a fear of what they might find.
01:17:34.000Look, right now it says in the election rules, coming out of CISA, the Cybersecurity Infrastructure Agency, That all drop boxes should have 24-hour video surveillance.
01:18:25.000It sort of feels like we're wasting a lot of money that could be used towards preventing the other side ballot harvesting or starting up our own similar operations where we don't have the control to make the changes because you have to control the state legislatures.
01:18:39.000And even where we control that, like D.C., oftentimes the Republicans are weak.
01:18:44.000What's your assessment on of the state of the 2024 race.
01:18:48.000You know, my father's polling better than ever, but, you know, you're also up against all of these corrupt institutions.
01:18:54.000You're up against sort of the billionaire conservative donor class.
01:18:57.000What's the roadmap to MAGA victory in 2024?
01:19:03.000Well, I think for some of these other guys who are running, I'm thinking here like of a Nikki Haley or even a DeSantis, I think that they're not only their best hope, but really their only hope is that if somehow your dad is not on the ticket.
01:19:17.000In other words, that for some reason he cannot run.
01:19:20.000And it's almost like they're running in that hope or that expectation because I can't see any other realistic path for them to get the nomination.
01:19:29.000They're actually cheering for the police state to get what they want.
01:19:33.000They're really against it, except for if it benefits them politically.
01:19:37.000I mean, that was sort of the take on the DeSantis.
01:20:06.000If DeSantis were to admit The January 6th guys are being shafted.
01:20:11.000He would then have to admit that they might have had a point in going to DC. In other words, their concerns about a stolen election might be plausible.
01:20:20.000And once you admit that the 2020 election might have been stolen, You now have to consider the possibility that you've basically got a usurper, an illegitimate guy in the White House.
01:20:29.000Your dad should be the one in the White House.
01:20:32.000And if your dad should be the one in the White House now, then what is the case for not making him the candidate to at least have a chance to get into the White House next year?
01:20:41.000So all of this would then suggest that DeSantis should never have run in 2024.
01:20:46.000He should have kept his prouder dry and waited for 2028.
01:20:50.000But I think because he's in now, He can't go down that road because the logic of going down that road is impossible because it undermines the logic of his candidacy.
01:21:04.000So before we wrap up, will you let the audience know where they can see police data as well as, if they haven't already, 2,000 mules so that they can get caught up on all of this?
01:21:12.000Because like I always say, it's because of them and because of this audience and because of these sort of alternate We're good to go.
01:21:47.000And how they can be involved in that as well.
01:21:50.000Sure. With regard to Police State, it's now streaming on a number of platforms, but you should go to the website, which is policestatefilm.net.
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