Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - Trump-Vance is the ticket to restoring America First prosperity, plus David Sacks joins!

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00:00:34.000 Good evening and welcome to another huge episode of Triggered.

00:00:38.000 We never actually do a show on Tuesday, but I thought since I'm here at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee that we're going to do some extra special stuff, talk to some of the incredible people that are coming out here.

00:00:50.000 I'm joined today by the great David Sachs.

00:00:53.000 David is one of the most successful investors Maybe?

00:00:57.000 In the country, the world, just a great angel investor.

00:01:01.000 Some of his investments include Facebook, Uber, Airbnb.

00:01:05.000 This is going to be a great episode.

00:01:07.000 If you didn't watch the convention last night, you missed out.

00:01:11.000 It was a powerful, really a palpable moment.

00:01:15.000 David spoke, my father came out, but here's the moment The arena was just filled with chants, USA, USA, USA, as my father walked out.

00:01:26.000 I thought it was such a powerful moment.

00:01:28.000 There may have been some cameras on me that said, looks like Don Jr.' 's welling up.

00:01:33.000 It was allergies, obviously.

00:01:34.000 We don't do that.

00:01:36.000 But check it out.

00:01:37.000 I think it was an important moment for everyone to see.

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00:01:54.000 Guys, the unity here, it's been incredible.

00:01:57.000 The party is focused on getting Joe Biden out of the White House and getting the country back on track.

00:02:03.000 It's being remade to focus on the forgotten man and woman, so many of those people that have been just left behind in Bidenomics.

00:02:11.000 Last night, the head of the Teamsters Union spoke at a Republican convention for the first time in history.

00:02:18.000 That's a game changer.

00:02:20.000 Another speaker last night said, what was my good friend, David Sachs, you were there.

00:02:26.000 David, again, one of the smartest investors out there.

00:02:31.000 I want to play your clip first and then we'll talk about all of these things.

00:02:34.000 But I thought it was a great and important moment.

00:02:37.000 Let's play that clip and then we'll get to David right away.

00:02:42.000 and the administration's policy towards Gaza has been so incoherent that the only thing

00:02:49.000 that pro-Israel and pro-Palestine protesters agree on is the chant F Joe Biden.

00:02:58.000 Rather than bolstering confidence in American leadership, as he promised,

00:03:09.000 President Biden has become the symbol of an America in decline.

00:03:15.000 This may be our present, but it does not have to be our future.

00:03:20.000 David, welcome to the show.

00:03:28.000 Thanks for doing this.

00:03:30.000 By the way, more importantly, thank you for being involved.

00:03:33.000 I mean, San Francisco tech investor, I guess we sort of broke some boundaries in 2016 with Peter Thiel and there was a lot of silence after that.

00:03:44.000 What made you want to come out and get involved?

00:03:46.000 I mean, that can't be easy.

00:03:48.000 Well, you know, what actually happened was a number of months ago, JD Vance, our mutual friend, asked if he thought that I could get together a fundraiser in San Francisco for President Trump.

00:04:00.000 And I said, well, how much do you need to raise in order to make this worthwhile?

00:04:04.000 And he said, five million dollars.

00:04:06.000 And I said, well, as you know, San Francisco is a liberal bastion, but we can do our best.

00:04:10.000 Yeah.

00:04:11.000 And, you know, secretly in my head, I wanted to do more than five.

00:04:14.000 I want to get like eight.

00:04:15.000 And I heard that in New York they had done one that did 10.

00:04:18.000 So I was like, that was our stretch goal.

00:04:20.000 And as it turned out, we ended up doing 13.

00:04:22.000 Wow.

00:04:24.000 And it was the week where the convictions in that sham trial came down.

00:04:30.000 And I think the whole country was outraged by the law.

00:04:32.000 I certainly was.

00:04:33.000 And so that just, I think, really gave us a big boost in terms of drawing people out in Silicon Valley.

00:04:39.000 And I wrote an endorsement explaining why I supported your father.

00:04:43.000 And it started to gain steam in Silicon Valley.

00:04:45.000 Now we've seen a whole bunch of other people have come out just today.

00:04:48.000 Mark Andreessen and Ben Horowitz endorsed.

00:04:50.000 I didn't even see that yet.

00:04:52.000 I've just been doing interview after interview after interview, you know, just trying to get someone.

00:04:56.000 That's pretty amazing.

00:04:57.000 Elon endorsed a few days ago.

00:04:59.000 I saw that.

00:05:00.000 He's going to contribute $45 million a month to sort of a Trump America first type pack as well, which I mean, sort of amazing.

00:05:08.000 Since Sheldon Adelson passed, there's not a lot of the sort of billionaire class that that'll spend that kind of money in politics.

00:05:15.000 The left has plenty of them.

00:05:17.000 I'm not sure what they're spending it for because I don't know what they're trying

00:05:20.000 to actually achieve anymore.

00:05:21.000 Lawfare, but.

00:05:23.000 I guess, but in San Francisco, have people started regretting the policies

00:05:30.000 that they seemingly keep voting for?

00:05:32.000 They keep putting these people in there.

00:05:34.000 It's led to crime, it's led to homelessness, there's the encampments every day.

00:05:40.000 Can the city be saved?

00:05:41.000 Are people ever gonna get sick of it?

00:05:42.000 Or is just sort of the virtue signaling of doing those things enough to fuel them?

00:05:48.000 Well, I think we broke the ice with that event, and I think there's a bunch of different areas where people are now starting to reevaluate.

00:05:55.000 So one is the whole crypto industry.

00:05:57.000 We had a huge turnout from crypto folks, and your father had given, I think, a great speech the week before, basically saying he was going to be the crypto president.

00:06:05.000 What the crypto people are looking for is just a framework.

00:06:08.000 They just want a legal framework so they can innovate.

00:06:10.000 So they got on board.

00:06:13.000 There are a whole bunch of folks from different areas of business who just felt like the regulations were out of control, and they just wanted to be able to get back to work.

00:06:21.000 Then there are people who are upset about the crime, the homelessness, the chaos in our streets, which you see a lot of in San Francisco.

00:06:32.000 And you know and then you've got people who are motivated by social issues So there's been a whole bunch of different reasons why people have have come out But yeah, I think we kind of broke the ice and since then he's just seen more and more business leaders And also tech people coming out the Winkvoss brothers endorse.

00:06:48.000 I think Bill Ackman's endorsed now so yeah, we somehow got something started and then I You know, somehow I got the invitation to come out here and speak, I think, on the heels of that.

00:06:58.000 And so I figured, okay, what the hell, I'll come out and speak.

00:07:00.000 Well, listen, I know you're obviously, you're instrumental also, you know, helping, you know, speak to my father about JD and some of, you know, so many of the unknowns.

00:07:08.000 And there's obviously a lot of sort of big forces pushing their own sort of, you know, puppet type candidates.

00:07:14.000 And so I think we overcame some pretty incredible bounds there.

00:07:16.000 But, you know, I wonder, you know, now that you've You're out there and, you know, that takes guts.

00:07:21.000 Have you seen any sort of financial or social repercussions to saying you're supporting my father for raising that money?

00:07:30.000 Or is that not as sort of verboten as it would have been?

00:07:34.000 I think somehow it's gotten easier.

00:07:37.000 I mean, I think there was potentially some risk to it.

00:07:40.000 I mean, I guess I'll never know about the business that I lose or the business that I never get.

00:07:45.000 That you don't know.

00:07:46.000 Right.

00:07:47.000 You know, there could be a cost to it, but I feel good that, you know, I made the right decision.

00:07:52.000 A, because it's the right thing to do.

00:07:53.000 B, I've only seen more people follow in the footsteps now and, you know, more and more dominoes keep falling.

00:08:00.000 With each incremental person who is willing to stick their neck out and do the right thing, it makes it easier for the next person to do it, the next person, the next person.

00:08:07.000 So I think that's where we're at right now.

00:08:08.000 And so we have all these titans of Silicon Valley coming out.

00:08:11.000 So at this point, it would be pretty hard to single me out.

00:08:14.000 Yeah, it was interesting.

00:08:15.000 I got a sort of interesting text from a reporter that I know would, you know, sort of,

00:08:21.000 we understand each other, we're a very, very different spectrum.

00:08:23.000 He goes, I'm in San Francisco and I keep seeing people wearing MAGA hats in the streets.

00:08:29.000 Like, where I think you would have been, you know, there's a chance a few years ago,

00:08:33.000 you'd have been stoned or thrown in jail for doing that.

00:08:36.000 But this guy was saying it and he was like, I've never seen that.

00:08:40.000 I mean, like if.

00:08:41.000 For him it was like, there is an upwelling.

00:08:46.000 People are sort of maybe coming to their senses a little bit, not just buying the narrative.

00:08:50.000 Do you see that as a possibility?

00:08:53.000 Yeah, well, you know, the guy who used to be wearing the red MAGA hat in San Francisco was my father-in-law, who is from Pennsylvania.

00:09:02.000 And he always came out and he, you know, didn't know that.

00:09:05.000 He always got weird looks.

00:09:06.000 But, you know, when we did the big event, the thing that was amazing that the president noticed is that along his motorcade, there were hundreds of demonstrators who came out, but they were all pro-Trump.

00:09:18.000 And the anti-Trump protesters, it was like a tiny number that were basically drowned Even in, you know, the liberal Bay Area, there was a huge, you know, sort of upswell of love, really, for the president.

00:09:32.000 And so, yeah, you know, I just, everywhere, it just feels like the momentum is for Trump.

00:09:38.000 And that, again, that was at the nadir. 0.93

00:09:41.000 I mean, that was when they came up with that whole ridiculous convicted felon, you know, sham show trial. 0.81

00:09:49.000 And since then, it's only been up and up and up. 0.89

00:09:51.000 You've had the debate where the president just destroyed President Biden.

00:09:55.000 Yeah.

00:09:55.000 And then, of course, what happened in Butler the other day, where I think the president demonstrated a kind of courage and heroism that just can't be, you can't fake that.

00:10:04.000 Yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, my perspective on all that's very different, right?

00:10:10.000 Let's call it a pissed off son that could even happen.

00:10:12.000 But you know what?

00:10:14.000 At the same time, I saw him come up defiant in the face of the fire.

00:10:19.000 These days, everyone's a badass on the Internet. 0.99

00:10:21.000 Everyone behind a keyboard can talk a lot of shit and be a tough guy. 0.98

00:10:26.000 When actually tested, you usually don't see that much sort of resolve. 0.99

00:10:31.000 And so far as a son, I was so proud at that moment.

00:10:34.000 But it's also interesting seeing other people be like, you know what?

00:10:39.000 I didn't like them, I don't like the mean tweets, whatever it may be, but that's what's going to keep us safe.

00:10:45.000 That's the guy I want picking up the phone at 3 o'clock in the morning when the world is collapsing and falling apart.

00:10:53.000 What did you see at that moment?

00:10:55.000 Yeah, well, the first thing that happened is I got a text from someone saying that President Trump's been shot.

00:11:00.000 My heart kind of sank and I was worried, so I got online right away.

00:11:05.000 I saw the video of the shots and him going down, and then I saw the video of the Secret Service really trying to haul him away, and him telling them, wait.

00:11:14.000 He stopped them and exposed his face to the crowd.

00:11:19.000 And he wouldn't know whether there was another shooter, whether that first shooter was even down, because he wanted the crowd to know that he was safe and that he was defiant in the face of that assassin's bullet.

00:11:30.000 I've never seen anything like it.

00:11:32.000 I think it showed true heroism. I saw lots of soldiers on X say things like, you know,

00:11:37.000 I've been under fire before. When that happens, you do not stick your head up like not one man 0.97

00:11:42.000 in a million would do that. Yeah. Well, he did it. And I think he showed a greatness that,

00:11:47.000 again, you can't fake that, that you've never seen.

00:11:50.000 I think we probably built a little different.

00:11:53.000 I think we'd all like to believe we'd react that way.

00:11:55.000 I'm not sure it always actually happens.

00:11:57.000 It was interesting.

00:11:58.000 On the way up here, I was hosting a war room, and then I came up here to do this, and two guys came up to me, and they were at the Butler PA rally.

00:12:08.000 They didn't know each other.

00:12:08.000 They're separate.

00:12:09.000 One guy was in the media stands, and one guy was just in the stands.

00:12:13.000 And they go, your father saved a lot of lives that day.

00:12:17.000 Like, what are you even talking about?

00:12:19.000 He goes, They were there and they were just saying,

00:12:22.000 it was about to just be full-blown panic.

00:12:24.000 Yeah.

00:12:25.000 When that happened.

00:12:26.000 I mean, the people were going to get trampled, or people fall off the risers trying to...

00:12:30.000 And he goes, when he came up, everyone just calmed down.

00:12:35.000 They stayed to just to what is like his calmness under that.

00:12:39.000 And again, this is literally happened 10 minutes ago as I'm walking up here and the other guy was like 100% I was there too.

00:12:46.000 I was in the media risers watching and I thought it was going to be a disaster because of that when he came up everyone just settled back down.

00:12:53.000 And I mean, I think it's so perhaps so indicative of exactly again, the leadership that we probably need as a country.

00:12:59.000 Yeah, so my father-in-law was there.

00:13:00.000 You know, the Red Maga Hat.

00:13:01.000 I didn't know that.

00:13:01.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:13:02.000 The Red Maga Hat guy was actually there.

00:13:03.000 I was going to say, when you brought up Pennsylvania, that made me think of that story.

00:13:05.000 Yeah, he was there.

00:13:06.000 He was about 20 rows back from the front.

00:13:09.000 And yeah, that's exactly the scene that he described.

00:13:13.000 He said that it was pandemonium, that the audience was in fear.

00:13:16.000 They were in fear about what happened to the president.

00:13:19.000 And then when he got up and turned to the crowd and said, fight, and showed them the expression on his face, it was certainly calming.

00:13:26.000 And then they roared back.

00:13:29.000 Uh, USA, USA, USA.

00:13:31.000 Don't forget that part.

00:13:32.000 Wow.

00:13:33.000 I, you know, and he's sort of, you know, I've lived my life on the clip with a couple of seconds and I see the fight, the fight, the fight, but I didn't sort of see, you know, they sort of.

00:13:41.000 He said fight, fight, fight.

00:13:42.000 They said USA, USA, USA.

00:13:44.000 Wow.

00:13:45.000 I mean, it is a, you know, I think of, you know, sort of the, I guess we've been cranking out some iconic photographs these days, many of them not great.

00:13:55.000 The mugshot was sort of the first one, but I see that picture with the American flag draped in the background, and, you know, I say, however iconic perhaps the mugshot was, you know, relatively speaking now, that looks like a kid probably drew it with a crayon compared to that picture as just a symbol of the resolve our country has.

00:14:13.000 Yeah, I mean, it was remarkable.

00:14:17.000 I agree.

00:14:19.000 It's hard to even describe.

00:14:21.000 Yeah, it was interesting.

00:14:23.000 I was actually pretty calm until it took me 90 minutes to get a hold of my father.

00:14:26.000 They shut everything down.

00:14:27.000 They cut all cell phones off.

00:14:28.000 And I'm like, all I got was the call.

00:14:30.000 He was shot.

00:14:31.000 I'm like, what?

00:14:33.000 What does that mean?

00:14:33.000 That can be many things.

00:14:36.000 And so I didn't know for so long.

00:14:37.000 And then once I found out, I started seeing the videos.

00:14:39.000 You sit down, the adrenaline dump was just like, It was a, it was a really, it was a really heavy moment.

00:14:47.000 And I think, you know, I think we'll all remember where we were that day.

00:14:51.000 Yeah, it's one of those like the challenge.

00:14:53.000 I remember where I was sitting in second grade classroom.

00:14:55.000 You know, when that happened, there's a couple moments in American history that I guess, you know, Maybe everyone will live through some of them great, some of them not so great, and perhaps that could have been significantly worse had that thing been a half inch over to the right.

00:15:11.000 Yeah.

00:15:13.000 Butler Farm would have gone down in history with Ford Theater and the Dallas Book Repository.

00:15:18.000 I mean, we came that close.

00:15:20.000 I've got to talk a couple of things.

00:15:21.000 I've got a great tech investor on.

00:15:25.000 Talk a little bit about AI.

00:15:28.000 We see so much of what's going on there right now.

00:15:30.000 We see the capability.

00:15:31.000 It sort of reminds me of all the stuff last week we saw.

00:15:35.000 Well, that was a cheap fake.

00:15:37.000 No, it wasn't.

00:15:38.000 That was Joe Biden. 1.00

00:15:40.000 It didn't take AI to make Joe Biden look like an imbecile. 1.00

00:15:42.000 He does that totally on his own. 1.00

00:15:44.000 He's fine.

00:15:45.000 But what are you seeing out there?

00:15:47.000 It came on so quick, so strong.

00:15:50.000 It's advanced so much in even the last couple of months.

00:15:56.000 What goes on in the future?

00:15:58.000 Yeah, I mean, this is a whole new computing platform.

00:16:01.000 I think it's a new revolution.

00:16:02.000 It's going to be very, very interesting where it goes.

00:16:04.000 I think one really simple way to think about it is that we're giving computers Some senses.

00:16:11.000 We're giving it vision, computer vision.

00:16:13.000 It can actually now look at photos and videos and understand what it's looking at.

00:16:18.000 It has audio.

00:16:19.000 Basically, it can hear you, understand what you're saying, and it can speak.

00:16:23.000 And then, I think most importantly, it understands language now.

00:16:27.000 And that's really the key breakthrough, is that computers didn't understand the human language before this.

00:16:34.000 You had to give it very specific magic words in order to command it to do something.

00:16:39.000 Now you can just talk to it.

00:16:42.000 So that's the beginning of this revolution.

00:16:44.000 So you can tell it to do things now.

00:16:45.000 Well, you know, chat GPT, tell me the answer to this question.

00:16:50.000 Or soon, use it as what's called an agent, where you'll say, okay, go on the internet, find this, organize it into this kind of information, and the possibilities are just kind of limitless.

00:17:03.000 It's interesting because, you know, I remember in my father's, when the Biden administration took over, they cancelled those pipelines and all some of these, you know, hard working sort of roughnecks.

00:17:10.000 And, you know, the media was doing their usual sort of disdain for the working class people.

00:17:14.000 And they started the whole sort of learn to code trend.

00:17:17.000 But then you actually see what's happened in the few years since then.

00:17:21.000 And AI actually seems to be probably most dangerous to jobs of actually some of the, let's call it the knowledge workers.

00:17:29.000 Knowledge workers, right?

00:17:30.000 Some of the white-collar basic jobs, you know, even legal.

00:17:34.000 And you can see that almost being totally displaced.

00:17:38.000 How does an economy, how do those people adapt, right?

00:17:42.000 It was hard to tell a roughneck to change his career or a miner to change his career when he's 50, but he still has a long way to go and he can't retire and live off benefits for 40 years.

00:17:53.000 It doesn't work that way, unfortunately.

00:17:55.000 What happens?

00:17:57.000 And how do we take care of that?

00:17:58.000 Because I see that void as being actually something that's, you know, a lot of existences are going to change very quickly.

00:18:05.000 Well, I think you're exactly right about where the disruption in the economy is going to be.

00:18:09.000 And I think you're right about what you're implying, which is when the disruption happened to blue-collar jobs, there's a certain callousness on the part of personal elites saying, You know, you're a steel worker.

00:18:21.000 Well, now you can learn to drive an Uber.

00:18:22.000 Well, you know, that may not be as fulfilling a job.

00:18:25.000 It may not be what people want.

00:18:27.000 In any event, the disruption this time is in the knowledge worker white collar world.

00:18:32.000 That being said, I do think that the predictions of massive job loss are a little bit overblown.

00:18:39.000 I think that what happens in the near term is productivity improvements.

00:18:44.000 You make everybody 10 percent, 20 percent, 30 percent more productive.

00:18:48.000 Maybe, does that mean that, okay, instead of having a team of five people, now you have a team of four people?

00:18:52.000 Yeah, that's possible.

00:18:53.000 But I don't think it just puts, you know, entire, you know, industries out of work.

00:18:58.000 At least not yet.

00:18:59.000 I mean, maybe in the long term, but... The curve is so fast.

00:19:04.000 Yeah.

00:19:04.000 I mean, it's really... It sort of feels like... I've seen this movie, it's called The Terminator.

00:19:10.000 It doesn't necessarily end all that well.

00:19:12.000 Yeah, I mean, so you take something like customer support, and most customer support centers, you've got the level one agents, level two agents, level three, based on how difficult the questions get and how difficult the cases get.

00:19:23.000 AI in the next couple of years could put all level one out of business.

00:19:26.000 You'll still probably need level two, level three, and so on, because there are still a lot of things that humans can do, and they have judgment that The AI doesn't have yet, but there is some question about what happens in the long term.

00:19:39.000 But look, I think we have to, on the whole, be positive about this technology revolution because in order to make the United States economy grow, in order to pay off, get out of this enormous debt we're in,

00:19:52.000 we need productivity.

00:19:53.000 We need a productivity boom.

00:19:54.000 The productivity is what ultimately creates GDP growth.

00:19:58.000 And where's the productivity going to come from?

00:20:00.000 And if we don't do it, you know, China is definitely going to do it.

00:20:03.000 Other countries will do it.

00:20:04.000 So we'll lose the innovation to those other countries.

00:20:06.000 So we have no choice but to stay on the cutting edge of this.

00:20:09.000 And, you know, regardless of where it leads, and that can be an unsettling thought sometimes, but...

00:20:13.000 Well, it was scary.

00:20:14.000 I know Elon sort of voiced this.

00:20:16.000 This was, you know, six, seven months ago, whatever it was.

00:20:17.000 He was like, hey, that's pretty scary what this could ultimately do.

00:20:20.000 And I was like, you know, I actually agree with that, but there's no way that Russia, China, Iran, you know, our enemies are never going to take their foot off the gas in terms of, you know, so if we hamstring ourselves on this technology and, you know, I imagine it gets to a point where By definition, it's just sort of exponentially taking care of itself and making itself more powerful and all these things.

00:20:41.000 So if the enemies are doing it, we can't really, we can't ever stop.

00:20:44.000 So you're in a bit of a vicious cycle with that.

00:20:46.000 We're in arms race, yeah, to be sure.

00:20:47.000 I mean, I still think, I'm still optimistic that this will be overall positive.

00:20:51.000 But it is true that if we just stop, it doesn't mean the innovation won't happen.

00:20:55.000 It'll just mean it's controlled by somebody we don't like, or might not like, I should say.

00:21:00.000 Yeah, I think we have to pursue this.

00:21:02.000 But I think, you know, again, I think we should see it mostly as an opportunity.

00:21:05.000 Right now what I see in Silicon Valley is that a thousand flowers are blooming.

00:21:09.000 You know, thousands of new startups are getting created, doing all sorts of new things.

00:21:15.000 I've got a company I've incubated called Glue, which is an enterprise chat tool where AI is like a full-fledged member of the chat.

00:21:23.000 We think it just makes people more productive.

00:21:25.000 There's no threat to it.

00:21:26.000 It's not harmful in any way.

00:21:28.000 So I think there's tremendous opportunity with this.

00:21:30.000 I think it's going to make the United States stronger at the end of the day.

00:21:33.000 So you mentioned crypto earlier, and a lot of those guys, Trump being the first person to openly embrace crypto as a presidential candidate.

00:21:42.000 Talk about that and the advances there.

00:21:44.000 I love so much about it, especially when you look at the way Our central banks function and we print money and it seems like a great hedge against perhaps some of the stupidity of governments who, you know, make sort of bad short-term decisions that will cost us in the long term because that's what it takes to get elected and we're going to spend more money now and buy a vote and whatever it may be.

00:22:07.000 Tell me what you're seeing out there and how do others who are watching who may not be as well-versed, how do they get into that game?

00:22:13.000 How do they immerse themselves, educate themselves so they can't either invest or play in it without Well, I think the starting point for understanding crypto is Bitcoin.

00:22:25.000 And Bitcoin was the first real digital currency.

00:22:28.000 And what does it mean to have a digital currency?

00:22:30.000 What it means is that you can enforce scarcity on something, even though it's digital.

00:22:36.000 Think about every other digital thing you've got in your life.

00:22:38.000 A photograph, a movie, a song, a book.

00:22:41.000 What it means to be digital is that you can make an infinite number of copies of it.

00:22:45.000 So screenshot that picture.

00:22:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:22:47.000 So wait, so how do you how do you make a currency that's fully digital?

00:22:51.000 But it can't be counterfeited, you can't make an infinite number of copies.

00:22:54.000 And that's where the blockchain comes in.

00:22:56.000 And it's a it's a digital, it's a secure ledger that uses cryptography.

00:23:01.000 And solved a lot of very complicated problems to ensure that your Bitcoin, your cryptocurrency stays unique.

00:23:07.000 Can't be pirated, it can't be counterfeited.

00:23:10.000 So it's a real breakthrough in terms of being able to create a digital asset that is also secure, non-copyable, non-fakeable, I guess.

00:23:21.000 And that provides a lot of opportunities.

00:23:23.000 So I think the thing that Bitcoin enthusiasts would say is that we can't really trust fiat currency.

00:23:29.000 Because at the end of the day, the government just prints that.

00:23:31.000 Well, what if they just decide to keep printing it?

00:23:34.000 What if they decide to put us $35 trillion in debt?

00:23:36.000 $100 trillion in debt?

00:23:37.000 $200 trillion in debt?

00:23:39.000 What if those debts become unpayable?

00:23:41.000 Well, Bitcoin is a type of currency that's decentralized, and it's controlled by a network, and it's not controlled by a government.

00:23:50.000 It's a little bit sci-fi, but it provides a way for people to pay each other in the future.

00:23:57.000 You know, it's like in the sci-fi movie where they're paying each other credits.

00:24:00.000 Where are those credits?

00:24:01.000 They're Bitcoin, you know?

00:24:02.000 So I think that's the starting point for understanding it.

00:24:05.000 And then what happened with kind of layer two is that once the blockchain got invented again as this ledger to keep track of the Bitcoin, people realized they could use it to do other things and basically is decentralized computing.

00:24:19.000 So If you're worried about AI becoming this super intelligence that takes over the world and is sort of totalitarian, crypto is the opposite.

00:24:29.000 It's decentralized.

00:24:30.000 It stands for freedom.

00:24:31.000 And so there's a very interesting dual track here happening with technology where, you know, hopefully AI doesn't become totalitarian, but that's the risk.

00:24:39.000 Whereas Bitcoin and crypto could be the thing that helps ensure freedom.

00:24:44.000 Yeah, because I see so many of the crypto bros, so to speak, they share a lot of sort of our values about that freedom about that and so when I

00:24:52.000 start seeing you know I love my father talking about it as president you

00:24:56.000 know embracing crypto and yet it's like one of those like I

00:24:59.000 don't really want government anywhere near any of this stuff right I mean

00:25:01.000 I mean, some of the beauty of it is that the government isn't there sort of taking advantage of the... I don't want to say you sort of get to hide behind some of these protections of freedom and whatever it may be in there, but what does happen when the bureaucrats get involved?

00:25:17.000 Do they sort of legislate out all of the things that Those guys love about those currencies.

00:25:25.000 Is there a way to prevent that from happening so that it stays true to what it actually is?

00:25:29.000 Yeah, well, so what's happening right now is that the Biden administration has been very negative towards crypto and specifically the SEC Commissioner Gensler has been quite hostile to crypto and has been prosecuting a lot of crypto companies.

00:25:42.000 And he's been doing this at the bidding of Elizabeth Warren, who also hates crypto.

00:25:46.000 So what they've effectively been doing is making it harder for crypto startups to To operate in the United States to innovate and they've been effectively driving them offshore And there are places in the world like you know Singapore that actually have more crypto innovation now than the United States So I think what the crypto community is asking for is just a legal framework.

00:26:05.000 They just want to know what the rules are This is what I hear over and over again is they say look we're willing to operate legally under whatever framework you tell us it just tells what the rules are and I think the frustration is that Gensler has not done that it's been It's been giving them a framework through prosecution as opposed to telling them in advance what the rules are and no business can operate that way.

00:26:25.000 So we talked about you being sort of intimately involved in helping sort of you know the JD Vance vice-presidential pick.

00:26:31.000 What made you think of him as such a strong person for that role?

00:26:36.000 Well, I think JD has a few really unusual traits or characteristics.

00:26:41.000 One is, you know, MAGA loves him and the tech community loves him.

00:26:45.000 That's like a really interesting combination.

00:26:48.000 What's going on here?

00:26:49.000 I'm confused.

00:26:50.000 I mean, yeah, you obviously know him through the tech world.

00:26:52.000 That's what he did.

00:26:54.000 So he knows technology, which is to say he knows the future and where it's headed, but he also knows where he came from.

00:27:00.000 You know, he has these roots in Appalachia.

00:27:03.000 A very poor family where he made good, and I think that he hasn't forgotten from whence he came.

00:27:09.000 So I think that's one set of very unusual characteristics that make for a great leader.

00:27:13.000 The thing that also appealed to me is that, you know, when J.D.

00:27:18.000 was in high school, the Twin Towers came down.

00:27:20.000 We were attacked on 9-11, and then subsequently, when the Iraq War began in 2003, he enlisted in the Marine Corps, and he was gung-ho to exact justice on America's enemies.

00:27:31.000 And I think that subsequently he came to realize that the Iraq war specifically, the forever wars in general, was a huge mistake.

00:27:39.000 And I think that to me, that's the right combination.

00:27:42.000 That's the kind of person I like by President Trump's side.

00:27:45.000 Somebody who's a patriot, who has the courage to fight America's wars, but the wisdom and the restraint to avoid wars that we don't need to get into in the first place.

00:27:57.000 So that's the thing.

00:27:58.000 And you know, he in the Senate, has been the biggest leader in asking tough questions about

00:28:03.000 this Ukraine war, which I consider to be a new forever war, because there's 0.97

00:28:07.000 no way of winning it.

00:28:08.000 It's just going to go on forever. It's costing us hundreds of billions of dollars.

00:28:11.000 I just saw today there's a new request from Zelensky asking for more money.

00:28:15.000 And no one's...

00:28:16.000 We're like the ATM machine, really.

00:28:19.000 And again, what's crazy, and I do this, and I watch all the rhinos in DC, I'm like, where's it go?

00:28:25.000 No one's even articulated to me what victory looks like.

00:28:28.000 It's just like, well, as long as we're spending money, military-industrial complex gets rich, the rhinos get their board seat at Raytheon eventually, but you only keep that if you keep selling missiles for no reason. 0.90

00:28:39.000 It's lunacy to me.

00:28:42.000 One thing I think about a lot is the Powell Doctrine.

00:28:44.000 You know, after the Iraq War and that mistake, one of the few officials from the George W. Bush administration who acknowledged that they had made a mistake was Colin Powell, General Powell.

00:28:54.000 And to his credit, he formulated the Powell Doctrine, which I think was a version that actually came from the, I'm trying to remember who it was, Scowcroft, I think.

00:29:06.000 in the Reagan and Bush senior administration.

00:29:08.000 Anyway, the Powell test gives you something like eight different questions

00:29:12.000 that you have to ask before you can commit America to getting involved in a war.

00:29:17.000 They're questions like, do you have a strategy for winning?

00:29:20.000 You know, what is your, you know, do you have clear, do you have a clear, do you have clearly defined objectives?

00:29:28.000 Have you tried diplomacy?

00:29:30.000 Have you tried every other way to avoid getting into a war?

00:29:32.000 Do you have an exit strategy?

00:29:34.000 You know, uh, do you have the international community on your side?

00:29:37.000 You know, there's a whole list of questions.

00:29:38.000 You know, I went through this list in respect to Ukraine and you're hard pressed to answer even one of them, uh, in the affirmative.

00:29:46.000 And so, You just have to ask the question, what are we doing?

00:29:49.000 There is no clear hope of victory.

00:29:51.000 They sold us this dream of a summer counter-offensive last year where we would give the Ukrainians $113 billion and then they would evict the Russians from their territory in this grand summer counter-offensive. 0.80

00:30:03.000 It was a total disaster.

00:30:05.000 Well, so what's the new strategy?

00:30:06.000 We just keep giving them more money and hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians Keep dying and actually they're losing more territory and we're risking this thing escalating into World War 3. 0.99

00:30:17.000 So there is no clear strategy.

00:30:19.000 It's not doing us any good as I said in my speech, you know, the supporters of this war say that we're trying to weaken Russia.

00:30:25.000 We're not weakening Russia.

00:30:26.000 Russia's military is bigger today than it was before the war.

00:30:30.000 They have more soldiers enlisted.

00:30:31.000 Their country is united.

00:30:33.000 They think they're fighting an existential war.

00:30:35.000 Their economy is now on a war footing.

00:30:37.000 They're producing more of everything.

00:30:39.000 Artillery shells, tanks, planes, drones.

00:30:41.000 And while we shut down our oil production industry, they've basically funded the war with the Delta in the rise in oil prices.

00:30:49.000 It's almost like it's a net neutral for them.

00:30:51.000 The Russian economy is growing faster than any G7 economy.

00:30:54.000 It's a total opposite of what Biden promised when he first got us into this, which is that we would crush the Russian economy with sanctions.

00:31:02.000 So in every single way, this war has backfired, and yet no one is willing to reevaluate it because You know, once you sort of commit to these things, you never want to admit you're wrong, you know?

00:31:11.000 And so we already have this kind of like zombie policy where we just keep funding more death and destruction.

00:31:17.000 It's not serving America's interests.

00:31:18.000 It's costing us a fortune.

00:31:20.000 And J.D.

00:31:21.000 was one of the first people to say in the United States Senate, like, again, what are we doing here?

00:31:25.000 What's our strategy?

00:31:26.000 Tell me how we're going to win.

00:31:28.000 Tell me how this $60 billion is going to make a difference and how We're not going to be back here asking for another 60 billion next year.

00:31:35.000 And by the way, it hasn't even been a year yet.

00:31:37.000 No, they did another 50 a week ago.

00:31:39.000 I mean, we're at 200 plus billion.

00:31:41.000 Right, plus what Europe is doing.

00:31:43.000 That's the budget of the United States Marine Corps.

00:31:46.000 We've done four times the budget of the United States Marine Corps to protect someone else's borders.

00:31:50.000 We can't take care of our own.

00:31:51.000 We have 100,000 deaths a year.

00:31:52.000 That's two Vietnams from fentanyl. 0.97

00:31:55.000 And yet we're worried about their borders, and no one's even... Yeah, what about our border?

00:32:00.000 I know there's so many priorities at home that I think the American people want us to focus on.

00:32:04.000 And I think the question rightly is asked, why are we prioritizing Ukraine's border but not our own?

00:32:12.000 It's insane.

00:32:13.000 It's like, don't even talk to me about some other country's border until we have completely defended, protected, and sealed our own border from invasion.

00:32:21.000 And I think it's one of the most outrageous things that's happened during the Biden administration.

00:32:25.000 They just opened things up.

00:32:26.000 You know, your father had the wall.

00:32:28.000 It was almost done.

00:32:29.000 There were a few extra pieces that they just needed to stand up.

00:32:33.000 They sold them off for scrap metal for two cents on the dollar.

00:32:36.000 This is one of the most mind-blowing, outrageous things to me.

00:32:38.000 Well, it's intentional, right?

00:32:39.000 Yeah.

00:32:40.000 It's clearly, you know, intentional.

00:32:42.000 But so you're talking about the administration.

00:32:43.000 I see the passion and or frustration, right?

00:32:45.000 And I think we all see that.

00:32:46.000 I think that's America today.

00:32:47.000 But would you ever actually see yourself in an administration?

00:32:51.000 I don't think so.

00:32:52.000 I mean, honestly, I do this podcast, The All In Pod, every week, and that's kind of how I, that's my outlet.

00:33:02.000 I see it all the time, people.

00:33:03.000 When are you going to run for something?

00:33:05.000 I like to talk, I don't want the day job.

00:33:08.000 You gotta want the day job.

00:33:09.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:33:10.000 That's true.

00:33:11.000 I mean, for me, I really like my day job of being involved in technology, tinkering with products, doing the podcast.

00:33:17.000 I feel like that gives me, The way to speak out and, you know, I don't know that I would like a day-to-day job in Washington.

00:33:23.000 That's like a whole different type of life.

00:33:26.000 Well, you've made some, you know, really strong early investments, a lot of cake.

00:33:30.000 You know, companies.

00:33:30.000 What is it that you're looking for when you see these?

00:33:34.000 You know, in Silicon Valley, I mean, everyone's got a tech idea.

00:33:37.000 What separates, you know, the great idea from the abject disaster?

00:33:42.000 Because some of these things, you know, when you see them, I mean, it could go, you know, one bad decision and it's over, I would think.

00:33:48.000 You know, what are you looking at when you're doing?

00:33:50.000 What makes the unicorn stand out?

00:33:53.000 Well, that's a really tricky question, but you have to get inspired by the founder that what they're doing can be huge.

00:34:00.000 That they kind of paint a vision for you, that they're going to create something new that hasn't existed before, or it's fundamentally disruptive to an existing market, and that that is going to somehow take over the world.

00:34:13.000 It's going to create a very, very big market.

00:34:16.000 And we're investing at such an early stage that it's hard to know.

00:34:20.000 Your father had a really funny line about this.

00:34:22.000 When we were at dinner, he goes, David, he invests in 20 companies at the same time, one of them works, and he's a genius.

00:34:31.000 And I was like, you really understand venture capital like you got it.

00:34:34.000 There's a lot of truth in that.

00:34:35.000 It's like, why are the venture capital fees so much?

00:34:37.000 Because it's like, you got a paper for the ones that are never going to pay out, right?

00:34:41.000 Yeah, totally.

00:34:43.000 In VC, what is a good hit ratio?

00:34:49.000 Well, it's interesting.

00:34:50.000 It's about, it's not about batting average.

00:34:52.000 It's about slugging percentage.

00:34:54.000 So, you know, the home runs, you just need one home run.

00:34:58.000 And it's even if you can get one grand slam home run, that's even better than a couple of home runs.

00:35:03.000 So, you know, it's about kind of like you just hit, you know, one big Homer, you know, every couple of years.

00:35:10.000 And, you know, it's a, um, it can be a nerve wracking business because, You can make a bunch of bets that you thought made sense and it can be fail, fail, fail, fail.

00:35:19.000 And then all of a sudden you hit it.

00:35:21.000 We're like, OK, we're doing good.

00:35:23.000 So, you know, that's that's the business.

00:35:25.000 What are you most excited about now?

00:35:27.000 You know, when you're seeing stuff, is there a sort of a new type of thing that's showing up more often that you're seeing or is it?

00:35:34.000 It's all AI all the time now.

00:35:35.000 It's all AI.

00:35:36.000 Yeah, it really is.

00:35:37.000 More so than even crypto.

00:35:39.000 For me, yeah, there are crypto-specific funds who do like all crypto, but we're more of a software investor.

00:35:46.000 So for us, that means AI.

00:35:47.000 Interesting.

00:35:48.000 Well, guys, we're going to have something interesting.

00:35:49.000 I know we got Tucker Carlson in the room.

00:35:52.000 We got Dan Bongino in the room.

00:35:53.000 We're going to be doing a Rumble Raid to Dan Bongino's stream live with Tucker Carlson sitting in in just a few minutes.

00:35:59.000 We're going to be doing that right here on Rumble.

00:36:01.000 So click join to head over.

00:36:04.000 You definitely don't want to miss this.

00:36:06.000 Maybe, Chris, you want to sit in at all?

00:36:08.000 We got Chris Pawlowski, CEO of Rumble.

00:36:11.000 We can do all of that.

00:36:12.000 Tucker and Dan are talking to some buddies over there.

00:36:15.000 You want to hop on?

00:36:17.000 What do you have for David Sachs, Chris?

00:36:19.000 We got to see, you know, one tech guy to another.

00:36:24.000 You and Mike.

00:36:25.000 Well, David's a fellow board member.

00:36:32.000 I'm aware.

00:36:34.000 You have to put him under pressure.

00:36:37.000 So have you been happy with Rumble?

00:36:39.000 Yes.

00:36:40.000 How much pressure can we put Chris under right now?

00:36:43.000 Well, Chris is an example of a founder with a vision, with a strong vision, a strong mission, which is all about free speech and being the platform for free speech and not compromising on that.

00:36:54.000 So that's what you want to see in a founder.

00:36:57.000 Exactly.

00:36:58.000 Very important in this days and age, right?

00:37:00.000 So with all the other platforms and the incumbent platforms moving away from it, it's Well, he was, I mean, when I met Chris, I met through, you know, Dan Bongino, it was right around the time where they threw my father off Twitter, and I was like, man, I gotta get on, Dan's like, hey, you gotta get involved in this.

00:37:14.000 I think it was like, you know, second or third sort of verified user on Rumble, but Chris is one of the only guys that's really, despite the pressure, despite the, he's literally the only guy to stick to that free speech message, really, on any sort of social platform and a video platform, and I, Yeah, no, it's evolved.

00:37:32.000 Like, when I first got in in 2013, it was, you know, you saw the platforms kind of preference the big creators, corporations, and then by 2020, it got very political very fast.

00:37:44.000 I would say maybe a couple years prior to that, it changed a lot.

00:37:48.000 All the platforms kind of picked a side where we kind of stayed in the center.

00:37:51.000 We were neutral.

00:37:53.000 We didn't pick any sides and just being fair and honest.

00:37:57.000 We had a lot of growth start coming in once we did that.

00:38:00.000 Just being fair and being honest to the creators and the viewers, it takes you all the way home.

00:38:05.000 How did you guys meet?

00:38:07.000 What's the first time we met?

00:38:08.000 Was it through Dave Rubin or how did we?

00:38:11.000 Yes, we met, I guess, through the acquisition of Locals.

00:38:14.000 That's right.

00:38:15.000 We bought.

00:38:16.000 So David was an investor in Locals and then we picked up Locals.

00:38:19.000 I think it was like twenty twenty one ish late twenty twenty one when we acquired Locals and we met.

00:38:30.000 Narya is where we met.

00:38:32.000 Colin and Ethan.

00:38:34.000 So I think the Locals acquisition was a big success for you guys, right?

00:38:38.000 Wouldn't you say?

00:38:39.000 Yeah, that's been a huge win for us.

00:38:41.000 And then we had incubated a company called Colin, which did social podcasting, I guess you'd call it.

00:38:49.000 You create a room and you have an audience in there.

00:38:52.000 Sort of like Clubhouse.

00:38:54.000 But it was kind of Clubhouse meets podcasting, and then we ended up selling it to Rumble, and they turned it into Rumble Studio.

00:39:00.000 Yeah, and Rumble Studio is what you're using now, and it's... I think it was built by Axel.

00:39:06.000 Yeah, Axel.

00:39:07.000 Axel was my co-founder, CTO.

00:39:09.000 Oh, wow.

00:39:09.000 And he works at Rumble now.

00:39:11.000 Yeah.

00:39:11.000 And then they put him on the board.

00:39:13.000 Yeah, he's amazing.

00:39:14.000 He's great, and he's built an incredible platform with the studio.

00:39:19.000 I think it's very revolutionary.

00:39:26.000 The product has made so much movement in the last year.

00:39:29.000 It's been phenomenal.

00:39:30.000 But the Rumble Studio is on fire.

00:39:32.000 It allows every creator to monetize their streams.

00:39:35.000 And it makes it super easy from your phone.

00:39:38.000 And we're using it right now.

00:39:42.000 I can basically do that from my phone.

00:39:44.000 I don't know how easy it is.

00:39:47.000 Will Dan not do that?

00:39:48.000 No, he's going to do it.

00:39:50.000 He's like, hey, for breaking news, why not?

00:39:52.000 Why not jump on the phone and just stream straight from wherever it is?

00:39:56.000 You can bring in guests.

00:39:59.000 It's really cool.

00:40:00.000 It works really, really well.

00:40:01.000 We should get those two guys.

00:40:02.000 I'll go grab them.

00:40:04.000 We're going to bring in Dan Bongino.

00:40:06.000 We're going to bring in Tucker Carlson.

00:40:09.000 David, you want to stick around?

00:40:10.000 I think this could be a fun one.

00:40:13.000 So right here, I guess, Hey, you can join up with that live stream.

00:40:16.000 I guess we're going to merge Rumble Raid into Dan Bongino's stream.

00:40:21.000 We're going live.

00:40:22.000 Tucker, Dan Bongino.

00:40:23.000 This is like the first time we're really seeing each other face-to-face since all of this insanity.

00:40:27.000 We're here.

00:40:28.000 How you doing, man?

00:40:30.000 Yeah, no, we haven't, which is really sad.

00:40:32.000 Oh, really?

00:40:32.000 You know, we haven't, which is really like a tragedy, considering everything you've done for free speech and the anti-censorship.

00:40:40.000 What's happening?

00:40:40.000 Look at this.

00:40:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:42.000 Here.

00:40:45.000 This is so cool.

00:40:46.000 Yeah.

00:40:48.000 They're on to you.

00:40:48.000 Hey, Chris, you want to explain how to do the raid?

00:40:50.000 Is there more to it?

00:40:52.000 I don't know.

00:40:52.000 You know, what makes me worry is that David Sacks got... Okay, so at the end of this stream, we can raid.

00:40:58.000 We can go into Dan's... Oh, God.

00:41:00.000 I've never been on your show before, too, which is tragic.

00:41:04.000 I wanted to say... I've never been on your show.

00:41:06.000 Yeah, you haven't.

00:41:07.000 You live right down the road.

00:41:08.000 No.

00:41:09.000 Maybe that's bad.

00:41:10.000 Who knows what their angle is.

00:41:11.000 Yeah, that's totally right.

00:41:12.000 That's always something bad.

00:41:14.000 What's happening, guys?

00:41:15.000 Man, I'm so honored to have this guy on my show.

00:41:17.000 You know, he's a man of his word.

00:41:19.000 I did his podcast.

00:41:20.000 We're doing a show in Tulsa, September 11th with me and you on stage.

00:41:24.000 We're going to tear it up.

00:41:25.000 Yeah, that's kind of like... Let's slide this mic over a little bit.

00:41:32.000 I think that's better.

00:41:33.000 Oh, thank you.

00:41:35.000 So I did his show and I said, Tucker, you got to do me a favor.

00:41:37.000 At some point, come on the podcast.

00:41:39.000 So I texted him here.

00:41:40.000 I know he's busy.

00:41:40.000 He's got a speech.

00:41:42.000 Uh, primetime speech, and within five minutes, because he's a man of his word, got right back to me, he said, dude, be there, no problem, so we'll be doing it right after this.

00:41:50.000 Well, because I was thinking about you, because I've been obsessively watching your commentary on the assassination attempt on Saturday, and I'm trying to be a reasonable person and not a nutcase, not to live down to my ugly reputation, and read... You too are a threat to democracy!

00:42:05.000 I am!

00:42:06.000 It's so inflammatory, it's so upsetting, and the implications are so dark that I don't want to say anything That's not true.

00:42:11.000 I haven't said anything, but I've been watching you because you have the knowledge, the accumulated knowledge, of this very specific topic.

00:42:19.000 How do you protect a head of state?

00:42:21.000 And I think that your commentary on this is totally responsible and smart and shocking.

00:42:27.000 Yeah, well, so, you know, I assume I can speak freely.

00:42:30.000 I don't usually talk about conversations that we have, but, you know, I know you called me that night, and we spoke, and I, you know, I know you... I think we were both in shock.

00:42:38.000 Oh, I was, like, and it's... but mostly because it's like... And it wasn't a short call.

00:42:42.000 No, it wasn't.

00:42:43.000 I know what these guys do, because I had a detail.

00:42:45.000 You were in the Secret Service.

00:42:47.000 I've been around my father's detail, and like, you and I are going through these facts, and again, you're right, Tucker.

00:42:52.000 You don't want to be the guy being conspiratorial.

00:42:54.000 If I was, you know, I'd be chastised in the media, and I'm, you know, again, all the things they've called me for eight years anyway, so maybe it doesn't matter, but I'm like...

00:43:03.000 It literally can't happen.

00:43:04.000 I can't think of a scenario in which that would be allowed that isn't conspiratorial.

00:43:12.000 And I mean, you took it sort of, I was following you on Twitter that night and then we spoke and it was like, you took it like point by point by point and it's, this wasn't like one little lapse in judgment.

00:43:20.000 It had to be an entire Well, can I ask you, none of you all were Secret Service aides.

00:43:25.000 You have expertise outside of my arena.

00:43:27.000 Finance, tech, building things.

00:43:29.000 Tucker, you've been in media since I was a kid.

00:43:31.000 I mean, I think my first interview was on Fox.

00:43:33.000 One of them was with you when you were guest hosting Fox and Friends on the weekend.

00:43:37.000 We talked about the Second Amendment.

00:43:38.000 I was sad.

00:43:39.000 There's one thing I can do pretty well, which was protection, right?

00:43:44.000 And the basic rule of protection is you get the guy or woman who's being attacked, you protect the off the X.

00:43:50.000 Whether it's in a vehicle that's being attacked or on stage.

00:43:53.000 Why was your father brought on the stage in the first place if 26 minutes prior they had a threat they couldn't mitigate?

00:44:02.000 There was a threat, whatever it was, a couple years ago, where they just did that.

00:44:06.000 They just took him off the stage.

00:44:07.000 It didn't matter.

00:44:08.000 He wasn't there, but they weren't sure.

00:44:10.000 The default was you don't ever put them in the situation if you're not sure.

00:44:14.000 You've had a Secret Service detail, so you can attest it.

00:44:16.000 There's a holding room, right?

00:44:17.000 Everywhere.

00:44:18.000 The holding room is called the holding room for a reason.

00:44:20.000 Tucker, it's where we hold the protectee. 0.99

00:44:22.000 That's why it's called the fucking holding room. 0.99

00:44:25.000 Like, why not put him in the holding room say hey we're gonna take 10 minutes we've got a potential 0.99

00:44:30.000 threat could be nothing likely is mitigate the threat go out give the

00:44:33.000 speech you think the networks aren't gonna wait on your dad oh forget it he's 10

00:44:36.000 minutes late we're good I mean Biden shows up two hours if he gets even has a 0.96

00:44:40.000 damn speech and they get I was gonna say Biden would have actually reacted 0.96

00:44:43.000 better in that circumstance because he wouldn't have even flinched it's 1.00

00:44:48.000 not because he's brave it's just he wouldn't have known what was actually

00:44:50.000 going on right it was Well, he has facial paralysis, so yeah, there's that.

00:44:54.000 And hand paralysis, just brain paralysis.

00:44:58.000 It's pretty bad, but yeah.

00:45:00.000 And when I heard it first, I was like, well, it must have been, you know, shooter, sniper, whatever you want to call it, from like a thousand yards out.

00:45:06.000 Maybe they missed the wind call kind of thing.

00:45:08.000 But the one that, the stat that got me was inside 150 yards.

00:45:14.000 Inside 150 yards.

00:45:15.000 You're an outdoorsman, right?

00:45:16.000 150 yards.

00:45:17.000 Well, yeah, I shoot a lot, like every day.

00:45:20.000 And that's nothing.

00:45:22.000 Not with that round, it's totally fine.

00:45:24.000 Yeah.

00:45:25.000 But the fact that a shooter could get in that close, right?

00:45:27.000 It'd be one thing if you couldn't protect the hill from a mile away.

00:45:30.000 It's like, okay, there's guys that can make that shot.

00:45:32.000 But to get in that close and be able to have that happen is scary.

00:45:36.000 But in their defense, the pitch on that roof was severe.

00:45:41.000 You know it was.

00:45:43.000 For a second there, I thought you were serious.

00:45:44.000 I know, it's amazing.

00:45:45.000 I can't believe this interview.

00:45:47.000 Chris is no more Pummelator.

00:45:49.000 That was the Secret Service Director's thing.

00:45:50.000 Well, there was a, they didn't have anyone on the roof because the pitch, they were worried

00:45:54.000 that they would fall off the roof.

00:45:55.000 Well, it's an ocean reg.

00:45:56.000 I mean, let's be real, you know what I mean?

00:45:57.000 They can't climb that roof.

00:45:59.000 Are you kidding me? 1.00

00:46:00.000 But that's what, we've become these morons. 1.00

00:46:04.000 Can I break some news on your show? 0.99

00:46:05.000 I was gonna do it with Tucker next, but I'll do it here.

00:46:07.000 So I was just showing Tucker some material from an unimpeachable source, let's just say, on the matter.

00:46:16.000 That post, according to my source, that roof was supposed to be a police post.

00:46:21.000 It was supposed to be someone there.

00:46:23.000 They're now making up excuses, saying the pitch of the roof.

00:46:27.000 My source says to me, no one knows why the post didn't show up.

00:46:31.000 So that's a nonsense story they're putting out in the media.

00:46:33.000 And I was also told that the Secret Service Director has been given instructions from the administration and the DHS Secretary You want to keep your job, you'll keep your mouth shut about this.

00:46:42.000 They're not putting that out there, but if you get those site post logs and those police instructions and there was a post on there and they didn't show up and no one checked, someone could have got your dad killed within millimeters.

00:46:52.000 So how do we get answers, right?

00:46:54.000 Because I don't personally trust the FBI to investigate anything at this point without politicizing it or weaponizing it.

00:47:00.000 I don't think I would trust them to run this investigation.

00:47:03.000 That's me based on, you know, them vilifying, you know, parents at PTA meetings, calling them domestic terrorists.

00:47:10.000 How do you get in, I guess, as someone who's been there, how do you get to the bottom of this?

00:47:15.000 Because I don't trust the government to do that.

00:47:18.000 The government hasn't earned my trust.

00:47:22.000 They've earned my mistrust over the last eight years. 0.92

00:47:24.000 Well, the FBI is terrifying, but this is maybe the one potential crime that will be solved, or at least rectified going forward, because the Federal Protective Services protect politicians, and they're almost all physical cowards.

00:47:38.000 They're terrified of getting hurt, and the idea that they could be exposed is not acceptable to them.

00:47:43.000 And so you've got an entire Congress full of people who think or want to be president, Yeah.

00:47:48.000 And they think, a lot of them think they're going to be, and they don't want to be left out at a rally with the

00:47:54.000 shooter 150 yards away.

00:47:56.000 And so I do think there's a built-in incentive for these people to get to the bottom of it.

00:48:00.000 Because it is, it's terrifying to everybody.

00:48:02.000 Yeah. Where does that happen though?

00:48:04.000 I mean, how do you create an independent body?

00:48:06.000 It's got to go through Congress?

00:48:08.000 Look, what do I know?

00:48:10.000 But I've talked to a number of members of Congress who are upset about it.

00:48:13.000 And the ones I've spoken to love your dad.

00:48:15.000 But I would imagine even ones who don't are like, we can't have that. 0.97

00:48:19.000 That could be me.

00:48:20.000 I mean, there is a sense in which it's a fraternity, right?

00:48:23.000 Yeah, I guess that's right.

00:48:24.000 I never thought of it that way.

00:48:26.000 Yeah, anyone who has sort of the hubris enough to serve in Congress probably has the ego to believe that they're going to be president too one day.

00:48:32.000 Saying things that some people don't like, thinks to himself, you know, someone could take a shot at me.

00:48:36.000 And there's vast precedents for that in our history.

00:48:41.000 I had Jim Jordan on today and he, you know, he seemed to indicate at least in the early stages, you know, unfortunately when it involves your dad, obviously the TDS thing is real.

00:48:49.000 People go crazy. 1.00

00:48:50.000 They do stupid things. 1.00

00:48:51.000 They lose their minds. 1.00

00:48:52.000 But he said in the early stages, at least, that he's seen that the, it appeared at least, the Democrats on the committee, oversight and elsewhere, were, cause like you just said, I think they're thinking themselves, like, gosh, I've gotten through it.

00:49:03.000 It's like, I don't want to die either. 0.99

00:49:04.000 Like all this TDS stuff I was doing for the media is all bullshit. 1.00

00:49:07.000 I could get hurt too. 0.97

00:49:08.000 He said a lot of them expressed a pretty keen interest in keeping it really non-ideological in the hearing. 0.98

00:49:15.000 And I said, please, once we get this hearing going, no bullshit. 0.54

00:49:18.000 I don't, you know, they get three minutes, Don, you know what happens? 0.53

00:49:22.000 You get two and a half minutes of a campaign speech, and then a guy throws in a question. 0.99

00:49:25.000 You're like, what was the point of this shit? 0.99

00:49:27.000 I said, can we just please coordinate? 0.99

00:49:29.000 Everyone's got a soundbite for Twitter.

00:49:30.000 I want to go viral.

00:49:31.000 It has nothing to do with what it is, but I need the clip to go viral.

00:49:34.000 How about this? 0.99

00:49:34.000 How about we keep the potential next president and former president alive and just get to the point with the damn question? 0.99

00:49:39.000 Well, but also just look at Washington after January 6th. 0.98

00:49:42.000 The Capitol got much more secure.

00:49:44.000 I mean, it became just a Fortified facility, and the rest of the city became incredibly dangerous, including the neighborhood I spent my life in.

00:49:52.000 I really have carjackings in my neighborhood.

00:49:55.000 So Congress took care of itself.

00:49:56.000 Wasn't there a shooting with Sotomayor?

00:49:57.000 I mean, didn't they try to carjack a Supreme Court Justice last week?

00:50:00.000 Yeah, but no one's getting into the Capitol, because that's where the politicians live. 0.78

00:50:03.000 Yeah.

00:50:03.000 Interesting.

00:50:04.000 The outskirts... 100%.

00:50:05.000 Union Station across the street is scary as hell.

00:50:09.000 You can't use the men's room.

00:50:10.000 But the Congress, it's not the people's house.

00:50:12.000 It only belongs to the mandarins who who live there. 0.99

00:50:15.000 It's just, they're disgusting, actually, if I can say. 0.94

00:50:17.000 So listen, we were talking earlier with David, obviously, about J.D. 0.74

00:50:21.000 Vance.

00:50:21.000 I know you guys were both, because we spent an undue amount of time sort of talking about this, making the case.

00:50:29.000 You guys both, obviously, very big fans and pushed very hard for it as some of the sort of, let's call it the unbiased voices in my father's ear, meaning the person, the people who can give him decisions who aren't on other people's payrolls.

00:50:42.000 I'm glad we got there.

00:50:44.000 I know it took a lot of effort, but I think it's an important call.

00:50:45.000 So you guys were an intimate part of that.

00:50:50.000 What are your guys' thoughts?

00:50:51.000 I'm glad we got there.

00:50:52.000 I know it took a lot of effort, but I think it's an important call.

00:50:56.000 Well, it's going to be a while before I figure out all of his meanings.

00:50:59.000 Super quick, I would say, everything in politics is difficult.

00:51:03.000 I'm not involved in politics.

00:51:04.000 I don't understand it very well.

00:51:05.000 Doug, you're incredibly involved in politics.

00:51:09.000 We don't see ourselves that way at all.

00:51:11.000 I'm not a politician. 0.98

00:51:12.000 They're like, you bitch about this stuff all day long. 1.00

00:51:14.000 That's right. 1.00

00:51:15.000 I talk.

00:51:16.000 I have no power.

00:51:16.000 I don't pass laws.

00:51:17.000 But it's difficult.

00:51:18.000 It's worth it.

00:51:19.000 Someone has to do that.

00:51:20.000 A. B. It's crazy.

00:51:23.000 I love JD Vance.

00:51:24.000 I know him personally.

00:51:24.000 I've known him long before he got into politics.

00:51:27.000 And that's real, my affection for him and my admiration for him as a man as well.

00:51:32.000 But the idea that people who've screwed up our country to the extent that they have, who have an unmitigated track record of failure, who backed the Iraq war and never apologized for it, who spent 20 years in Afghanistan to no benefit to the United States, only pain and suffering, that those people would have influence over our country going forward is so offensive to me that I just couldn't deal with it.

00:51:52.000 Just on principle, I cannot deal with it.

00:51:54.000 Mike Pompeo has a voice?

00:51:55.000 Really?

00:51:55.000 Lindsey Graham is still here?

00:51:56.000 Like, what?

00:51:57.000 I'm not saying they should be in prison.

00:51:58.000 I personally feel that way, but I'm not in a position to do anything about that.

00:52:02.000 But they should not be at the helm.

00:52:04.000 They should have no power.

00:52:05.000 They've discredited themselves so completely that how about no?

00:52:08.000 I'm a father of four.

00:52:09.000 I'm big into how about no.

00:52:10.000 Yeah.

00:52:10.000 And somebody say, how about no?

00:52:12.000 And I think the JD Vance is a big how about no.

00:52:15.000 Yeah, that was sort of the win for me, which is like, it was such a statement in the face of, again, the warmongers and the bureaucrats and the swamp, you know, because we were all collectively sort of lobbying.

00:52:28.000 I think we're probably the loudest voices in my father's ear.

00:52:32.000 I think we were.

00:52:33.000 Without question.

00:52:34.000 But we were up against the trillionaires.

00:52:38.000 David's done pretty well for himself, but I don't consider you that way.

00:52:42.000 They're sort of the Rhino-Neocon warmongers. 1.00

00:52:47.000 I'd say between, candidly, Fox News and this and all the people on the payroll and the trillionaires, we were up against some formidable forces.

00:52:56.000 And to get that result, I think it's just such a great statement for sort of just America first for the MAGA movement into the future and democracy.

00:53:05.000 I'm not against billionaires.

00:53:07.000 I'm hardly against, you know, wealth accumulation.

00:53:10.000 I'm a right winger.

00:53:11.000 I have been my whole life.

00:53:13.000 But because you have a billion dollars doesn't mean that you alone control the government.

00:53:16.000 And just the hubris in some of these people is insane.

00:53:19.000 And I don't want to name names.

00:53:20.000 I don't want to be divisive or like go all in on Ken Griffin or, you know, get personal about it, but it's just crazy.

00:53:27.000 No, I wasn't talking specifically about Ken Griffin.

00:53:30.000 Ken Griffin, Ken Griffin.

00:53:31.000 But I just mean, because you accumulate a vast fortune through finance does not mean that you know anything about anything other than finance.

00:53:38.000 And it doesn't mean that your will is equivalent to, say, 11 million votes of American citizens.

00:53:42.000 Like, that's not the system that I want to live under.

00:53:45.000 Sorry.

00:53:46.000 What about you, Dan?

00:53:47.000 I know you were a very vocal advocate.

00:53:50.000 I called you, I was like, hey man, do you think you can allow me to call to my dad?

00:53:53.000 Because again, you do that, and then five minutes later, someone hears about it, and they're rushing in because they're on one of the other people's payrolls, and they're telling him.

00:54:01.000 I'm like, well, then my dad calls me, what about this?

00:54:03.000 I was like, well, but they tell you ports 2, 3, 4, and 5, so you always have to be the last voice in his ear.

00:54:08.000 You do have to be the last voice in his ear. 0.99

00:54:10.000 One thing you know about your dad, obviously a lot better than me, is your dad has a bullshit detector like no one else. 0.99

00:54:15.000 Dealing with union construction in New York, right? 0.99

00:54:17.000 Come on, dude.

00:54:18.000 You and I have talked to him. 1.00

00:54:19.000 Like, he sniffs out bullshit so fast. 0.99

00:54:21.000 And one of the things I've never done with your dad is abuse the privilege of being able to pick up the phone. 0.99

00:54:26.000 Ever.

00:54:28.000 People do it to say they did it.

00:54:30.000 Oh, look, I talked to you.

00:54:31.000 You don't need to.

00:54:32.000 It's like someone else's flex.

00:54:33.000 They do it in front of their friends to be like, why do you need?

00:54:36.000 Is it about something substantive?

00:54:38.000 I've called your dad, I don't know, in five years, maybe 10 times, maybe.

00:54:42.000 And they're always short.

00:54:44.000 I made two calls about political candidates, about two people.

00:54:48.000 I made one call about this guy in Ohio running for Senate.

00:54:51.000 I said, please do not endorse these other guys.

00:54:53.000 J.D.

00:54:54.000 Vance is the guy.

00:54:55.000 I said, I'm begging you.

00:54:56.000 I called Scavino and I called your dad.

00:54:58.000 I said, these other two candidates, nice guys, maybe.

00:55:01.000 I don't know.

00:55:01.000 I don't know him personally.

00:55:02.000 I don't really care.

00:55:02.000 I don't want to date the guy.

00:55:04.000 I'm looking.

00:55:04.000 This is the guy.

00:55:05.000 I said, please.

00:55:06.000 And I made a call about another guy.

00:55:08.000 His name is conveniently J.D.

00:55:09.000 Vance as well.

00:55:10.000 And he looks like that cat from Ohio.

00:55:13.000 And I said, I said, Mr. President.

00:55:15.000 This is the guy, man.

00:55:16.000 I said, the Hippocratic Oath, brother, with the VP, do no harm.

00:55:19.000 I said, J.D.

00:55:20.000 has almost no downside.

00:55:22.000 Oh, he said this.

00:55:23.000 Everybody says something about a politician.

00:55:25.000 What are you kidding me?

00:55:26.000 What have you ever run for office? 1.00

00:55:27.000 You know how much shit I've said about politicians? 0.99

00:55:29.000 People running against their mom have said bad things about politicians. 0.99

00:55:32.000 That's the best you got? 0.95

00:55:33.000 I said, he's a bulldog.

00:55:34.000 He's young.

00:55:35.000 He's energetic.

00:55:36.000 He speaks the language of the working man.

00:55:38.000 He can go in a... Tucker, this dude can sit in Pennsylvania and park there and talk to coal miners. 0.98

00:55:44.000 Talk to them like he knows them.

00:55:45.000 Because he does.

00:55:47.000 He's not faking it. 0.99

00:55:48.000 He's not giving some Joe Biden bullshit speech where he's just making... Hey, I was raised in the Puerto Rican, Greek, Polish community. 0.99

00:55:54.000 Had a real oil slick. 1.00

00:55:56.000 I beat the shit out of Corn Pop. 0.92

00:55:58.000 I was the state scoring champion. 0.98

00:56:00.000 J.D.

00:56:00.000 can actually tell you his real story, you know?

00:56:03.000 Oh, by the way, David, now that you're in tech, How quickly will Netflix take Hillbilly LG off of their... Is it already off?

00:56:14.000 They have to be a little bit subtle.

00:56:15.000 They have to wait till tomorrow to actually, to make sure that no one ever can see the story of his life, which is I think one of the great sort of American success stories.

00:56:23.000 It's an American dream story that many people perhaps don't even think could exist anymore.

00:56:27.000 Yeah, I think the word you're looking for is ghosted.

00:56:30.000 It'll be like it never existed.

00:56:32.000 Yeah, it's gone.

00:56:34.000 And it's gone.

00:56:34.000 It's like the South Park meme.

00:56:35.000 It's like, and it's gone.

00:56:37.000 But I love the fact he changed his mind.

00:56:38.000 I love people who have sincere changes of heart.

00:56:41.000 I think it makes them more sincere.

00:56:42.000 It's happened to me a million times in my life.

00:56:44.000 And if you can look right into someone's eyes and say, I was completely wrong and here's why I changed my views.

00:56:48.000 That person's more sincere, I think.

00:56:50.000 And he's actually thought about- Oh, 100%!

00:56:52.000 Right?

00:56:52.000 I'd love that.

00:56:53.000 Not just be like, okay, I'm willing to accept this now.

00:56:55.000 He's just like, hey, I was wrong.

00:56:57.000 Like, and here's why.

00:56:58.000 And then became, frankly, maybe the, certainly the most articulate, but champion of the cause.

00:57:04.000 Oh, he's ferocious.

00:57:05.000 And of the movement.

00:57:06.000 And he means it.

00:57:07.000 I watch him go on CNN, I watch him go on MSNBC, and like, he does a better job in just hostile media territory than Some of the, you know, the best conservative guys do on, you know, when they're getting pitched softballs on Fox.

00:57:22.000 Can I tell you J.D.

00:57:22.000 Vance's story?

00:57:23.000 I hope he doesn't kill me, but J.D., please forgive me for this, but this is a piece of the game.

00:57:27.000 You know, listen, we're all in this business.

00:57:29.000 I'm sure you too, David.

00:57:30.000 You talk to a thousand politicians, and as they grow on the hierarchy and totem of, you know, whatever, prominence, they start to leave more people behind, which is understandable.

00:57:41.000 But, you know, I feel like I've kind of earned my spot in my show. 0.99

00:57:43.000 Like, if I'm going to call you, I'm not calling you for bullshit. 0.87

00:57:46.000 And if I went out there and campaigned for you, which we did for a certain guy, I'll leave out. 0.99

00:57:51.000 And I call you once in three years, pick up the motherfucking phone because I'm not calling you to ask you how the weather's going to be tomorrow. 0.96

00:57:59.000 I'm calling you because it's something important and I need either your guidance or something on it. 0.98

00:58:04.000 J.D., man, I never called J.D.

00:58:06.000 ever.

00:58:07.000 And the day I heard he was one of the finalists, I said to my wife, who's sitting over there, did I not, Paula?

00:58:12.000 Did this not happen?

00:58:13.000 I said, I'm going to do a little test.

00:58:16.000 I'm going to call J.D.

00:58:17.000 and I'm going to see how quickly he calls me back.

00:58:20.000 Let me tell you something.

00:58:21.000 He didn't pick up, which is because I knew he was probably going to me.

00:58:23.000 Instantly, instantly text me back.

00:58:25.000 Hey, brother, sorry I missed your call.

00:58:27.000 I said, don't call me back.

00:58:27.000 That's all I needed.

00:58:29.000 Tell me that didn't happen.

00:58:30.000 Tell me that didn't happen.

00:58:32.000 That's all I needed to hear. 1.00

00:58:35.000 I can show you the damn thing. 0.99

00:58:36.000 And he turned to his wife, he's like, Bongean was weird. 1.00

00:58:39.000 But it is true, because we've seen that, right?

00:58:42.000 I saw it when, you know, when we had no chance of winning back in 2015, right?

00:58:47.000 It's like all these people, and then, you know, then, you know, November, whatever it was, eighth night, the morning after, it's like, hey man, We were with you all along. 0.99

00:58:54.000 I'm like, that's bullshit. 0.91

00:58:55.000 Like, you haven't called me in six months. 1.00

00:58:56.000 Like, you know, in fact, I see what you post on Facebook and you're fucking lying to me. 0.95

00:59:00.000 Like, you were never with me. 0.96

00:59:01.000 Well, Frank Clunts is out there today being like, you know, Trump's very handsome, actually.

00:59:05.000 I never realized just what an old man, but sort of like Ricardo Montalban.

00:59:13.000 All right, but if you guys haven't seen it... Oh, by the way, Chris, you gotta tell us what we gotta do, because I know you're flipping, I think, directly into your shows.

00:59:21.000 Okay, so you're gonna do the Rumble Raid, you're gonna basically just... But how do you do it?

00:59:25.000 Is that just... Right now, do they just click join, and they head over, you merge into... Okay.

00:59:33.000 Okay, so everyone in the chat can click join.

00:59:36.000 We'll flip into your show, because I know you're starting now.

00:59:39.000 Maybe we keep it going, but you're right.

00:59:41.000 The level of political convenience is truly spectacular.

00:59:45.000 But if anyone hasn't seen it yet, don't do it yet.

00:59:48.000 After this, you're going to click join.

00:59:49.000 You're going to head over to Dan's.

00:59:51.000 I'll stick around if you want.

00:59:52.000 Yeah, please.

00:59:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:53.000 Let's stick.

00:59:53.000 But you're going to get into that.

00:59:54.000 But after that, Please go watch Tucker's Lindsey Graham rant because it's one of the most epic things I've seen on social media.

01:00:05.000 It's too fraudulent.

01:00:06.000 I can't do it anymore.

01:00:10.000 If you looked up zero fucks given in the dictionary, that was Tucker on Lindsey Graham in that instance. 1.00

01:00:17.000 It was pretty amazing.

01:00:18.000 You gonna hang around?

01:00:19.000 Yeah, I'll hang around.

01:00:20.000 Guys, thank you so much.

01:00:21.000 David, thank you so much.

01:00:22.000 You can hang around too, obviously.

01:00:23.000 It's a dance show, but we're gonna sign off here.

01:00:26.000 Click join.

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