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00:07:27.000Usually when you think of the border, you think of Mexicans or Guatemalans crossing it, but the whole world is now coming across our porous Swiss cheese border, including lots of Chinese.
00:07:39.000Look at this massive group of Chinese men at the border just the other day.
00:07:43.000You'll notice in a lot of these videos that no one is even attempting,
00:08:08.000Even attempting to evade capture at the border.
00:08:12.000These illegals actually turn themselves in.
00:08:17.000Legals don't have to sneak into the country because they know they will be released into the country and given free healthcare and housing.
00:08:25.000Right? The only ones that are actually sneaking in are probably the terrorists and these who are well-funded and creating sleeper cells all over the place.
00:09:47.000Biden cares so little about immigration enforcement that he's even planning on closing an immigration detention facility.
00:09:55.000You know, so at a time where the numbers are the highest they've ever been, they're actually closing down facilities because I guess it's just easier to release them into the country.
00:10:04.000This crisis is completely Joe Biden and the Democrats' fault.
00:10:11.000He's doing everything he possibly can to encourage it.
00:10:16.000And don't buy, by the way, folks, the Biden smoke screens that all of a sudden he might start caring about the border because his poll numbers are so bad.
00:13:42.000But this is a welcome change for a change.
00:13:46.000This fight is revealing how Democrats care more about Ukraine's border than America's.
00:13:52.000Just watch this clip of Nancy Pelosi the other night on MSNBC. My pleasure, but remember, the longer they take for Ukraine, more people will die, more women will be raped, more children will be kidnapped, and it'll be all on them.
00:14:36.000They're just asking for a tiny bit of border security and the Democrats are unwilling to give it.
00:14:43.000Biden wants Ukraine to be able to protect itself while America just has to accept becoming a dumping ground of the third world.
00:14:53.000And while we're there, no legal consequences for illegal immigrants.
00:14:59.000What about our favorite crackhead Hunter Biden, who refused to show up for his congressional testimony this week?
00:15:06.000I'm actually looking, and I've been waiting.
00:15:07.000I'm holding my breath. I'm looking for the same amount of outrage from the media as they would have had if I blew off one of my five congressional subpoenas.
00:15:19.000But since they're covering for Joe Biden and his corruption, I'm not going to hold my breath.
00:15:24.000But he needs to be held in contempt of Congress.
00:15:51.000I did 40 hours for a 20 minute meeting.
00:15:53.000There's so much more in the Hunter Biden stuff.
00:15:58.000Then even meets the eye, he should probably be there for weeks.
00:16:02.000And then, and then, once they actually have the details to be able to look into, then we can do the public testimony.
00:16:09.000I'm all for it. But the Democrats pretending that the testimony of Hunter publicly is about transparency, it's not.
00:16:16.000It's the way to make sure you don't get into the details, and that's how it actually works.
00:16:21.000If they were intellectually honest, they'd tell you that, but they ain't.
00:16:26.000Hunter Biden blatantly lied during his press conference and said that his father had no financial involvement in his business.
00:16:34.000The New York Times conveniently altered that headline because, again, the Democrats, the mainstream media, big tech, they are running cover for Joe Biden, the Democrat agenda, and the insanity that they've brought to America.
00:16:49.000What was the 10% for the big guy email all about, folks?
00:16:57.000Even if we have the wire transfers, even if you have the phone records, even if you have the photos and the admissions of the other Hunter Biden business partners, it must all be wrong, right?
00:17:27.000James Comer, Jim Jordan, Jason Smith and their colleagues have distorted the facts by cherry-picking lines from a bank statement, manipulating texts I sent, editing the testimony of my friends and former business partners, and misstating personal information that was stolen from me.
00:17:50.000There is no fairness or decency in what these Republicans are doing.
00:17:59.000They have lied over and over about every aspect of my personal and professional life, so much so that their lies have become the false facts believed by too many people.
00:18:14.000No matter how many times it is debunked, they continue to insist that my father's support of Ukraine against Russia is the result of a non-existent bribe.
00:18:25.000They displayed naked photos of me during an oversight hearing.
00:19:49.000We all know it. Will the FBI arrest and shackle Hunter Biden like they did to Peter Navarro?
00:19:56.000Are they going to get and give him the pre-dawn raid treatment with machine guns and armored personnel carriers like they did to Roger Stone?
00:20:08.000They're not going to do that. The one rule for the Bidens and the one rule for the rest of us, policy will apply.
00:20:15.000The evidence of Biden's corruption has been out in the public for years.
00:20:19.000Biden himself said on camera that he got the prosecutor fired at Burisma.
00:20:25.000Remember, that's where Hunter was making millions for a no-show job that no one knew what he was doing in a language he didn't speak in a business he knew nothing about, conveniently.
00:20:33.000Just in case you needed the refresher, here it is.
00:20:36.000Walking out to the press conference said, no, I said, I'm not going to, we're not going to give you the billion dollars.
00:21:00.000You got fired. While the Bidens have gotten rich, you've gotten poorer.
00:21:05.000Mortgage payments on homes have increased 90% during the Biden presidency.
00:21:11.00090%. Biden is losing head-to-head against my father.
00:21:17.000Guys, instead of uniting around the eventual nominee on the Republican side, establishment forces are going all out donating to Nikki Haley.
00:21:31.000All she's doing is dividing the party.
00:21:34.000She's draining the resources that we're gonna need to take on the Democrat machine, okay?
00:21:40.000The gamesmanship, the lawfare, the cheating, the margin of fraud, okay?
00:21:46.000First, the establishment wanted Ron to sanctimonious.
00:21:49.000That failed miserably. Once they saw him, let's say, in long form, realized, ah, yeah, he's not the guy.
00:21:55.000The guy's so insecure, he's got to wear high heels.
00:21:57.000Probably not the guy we want leading our country.
00:21:59.000And then, after they realized he's a dud, they moved on to Haley.
00:22:04.000And speaking of being sanctimonious, the liberals out, they're out of control with the sanctimony.
00:22:11.000You've been watching what's going on at Harvard this week.
00:22:15.000Harvard, which claims magically to love free speech, even though they were ranked like one of the last universities in America as it related to free speech, just blocked comments on their announcement supporting their idiotic president.
00:22:29.000Think about this. They stand for free speech.
00:22:34.000They're giving a pass to someone who plagiarized Five of her 11 academic papers who oversaw Harvard's disastrous response to hate-filled and insane hate on campus that would have violated their codes of conduct.
00:22:55.000And now, the president of Harvard, who seems to be a DEI candidate and only given that position because she checked a couple boxes, they gave her a pass.
00:23:09.000No other person would have been given a pass for plagiarizing all of their stuff.
00:23:13.000No other person would have been given a pass for allowing what happened to happen on Harvard's campus.
00:23:20.000But the problem with the DEI house of cards is that if you actually face some accountability, the entire charade collapses.
00:23:32.000They're just finally saying the quiet part out loud.
00:23:35.000Everyone understands that if you were attacking any other group, whether it was trans or African Americans at Harvard, those people would have been out in two seconds.
00:23:45.000was at Harvard, or perhaps Tucker Carlson, who will be up next, was at Harvard, and plagiarized major academic papers that enabled them to attain that position of president of Harvard, despite very few other academic credentials, It'd be a problem and they'd be out on their ass.
00:24:01.000But no, no, no. Bastion of Free Speech Harvard unanimously stands by Claudine Gay and conveniently turned off all the comments to the post because they too apparently really love free speech.
00:24:16.000Just kidding, folks. They're full of shit.
00:24:18.000We all know it. But at least the veil has finally fallen.
00:24:21.000And finally, folks, a major story broke just the other week and went completely unnoticed.
00:24:28.000The Democrats' star, January 6th, committee witness Cassidy Hutchinson, corrected several parts of her testimony.
00:24:39.000Guys, this is one that I did, I think it was about another 10 hours in front of, right?
00:24:44.000Trying to jail everyone and whatever it may be.
00:24:46.000But remember all her crazy, unfounded claims about my father?
00:24:49.000He tried to gain control of the beast.
00:24:53.000I was like, man, if 75-year-old Donald Trump at the time is choking out a federal agent and taking control of the beast to show support for our people, I'm like, I don't know, man.
00:25:01.000I don't think that makes me like him less.
00:25:23.000It was actually 1202, I'm sorry, but not a fundamental change.
00:25:26.000But hers includes significant changes to her account of everything that happened and key events on January 6th.
00:25:34.000It sounds like she should be brought back to testify again so she can be cross-examined and explain how you have to change that much.
00:25:44.000It's almost as if she was just a puppet doing whatever the Democrats said, was promised some sort of quid pro quo if she could help take down Trump.
00:25:52.000But like all other things, January 6th, they will do what they can to cover up the never-ending lies.
00:26:00.000Like they have with the videos and exculpatory evidence and denying basic due process because we live in the People's Republic of America.
00:26:09.000We no longer live in the America that we grew up in.
00:26:12.000We should all understand that and see it and make sure we actually do something about that in 2024 while there's still a chance to reverse the insanity we're witnessing.
00:26:24.000And we're expected to learn even more about how much Cassidy Hutchinson walked back.
00:26:31.000But again, it's just another example of the Democrats' January 6th narrative crumbling.
00:26:37.000This is why we need authentic America first fighters inside the Republican Party.
00:26:43.000No one who is going to carry water for the swamp.
00:26:47.000And Tucker will be here in just a few moments to talk about just that.
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00:31:02.000All right, guys. Well, first off, I want to take the time to thank Tucker Carlson for joining us.
00:31:06.000I know a lot of things are going on on your end, Tucker, right now, including launching literally a new media company taking on a lot of the establishment that's out there with the Tucker Carlson Network.
00:31:17.000Now, you've done some... Big interviews lately.
00:31:22.000But when are we going to see the interviews that we're all waiting for, like Brian Stelter, Zelinsky, or even perhaps creepy porn lawyer Michael Avenatti?
00:31:33.000I mean, that one may be the number one interview I want to see of all time based on episode one that we saw.
00:31:40.000But, you know, it's hard to say of all of them who's the biggest grifter, but maybe it's Zelinsky.
00:31:45.000What do you think? I would love to interview him, and I can't do it in Ukraine.
00:32:00.000But I would love to interview Zelensky.
00:32:02.000He's turned us down. Avenatti's in prison for many years.
00:32:07.000We did just visit Julian Assange in prison, so I've interviewed people in prison before, but I don't know if he would sign off on us visiting.
00:32:16.000We've got a bunch of interviews coming, but you're totally right.
00:33:37.000I don't know whether he actually committed it or not.
00:33:39.000He's been credibly accused of killing a girl, however.
00:33:42.000I don't know if it's that or some things in his personal life, but whatever it is, that is a hater.
00:33:49.000He's really transformed from a kind of thoughtful, clever, funny guy who had views To a guy who's just bent on destroying other people.
00:33:58.000And again, I think that grows out of the misery inside and the guilt that he feels over the things that he's done in his life, etc.
00:34:05.000And a much healthier way to deal with that, I mean, all of us have done things we feel guilty about, I certainly have, is to admit them and kind of let them fall away, let the guilt fall away and just move forward as a whole person.
00:34:17.000But someone like Scarborough just can't do it.
00:34:19.000And it's bad for the country when people like that have national platforms, I think.
00:34:23.000Do you think he's sort of doing the, like, become a Democrat spokesperson because there's actually a lot less accountability if you're doing the bidding of the left?
00:34:33.000I mean, it feels like if you're a conservative, you know, Tucker Carlson, if you were an academic, would not be getting the same treatment at Harvard as Claudine Gay is at Harvard for the same thing, for the same gross incompetence, for plagiarism, etc.
00:34:45.000I mean, is there a life jacket to doing the bidding of the radical left today?
00:34:50.000There's no doubt about it, but I think it's bigger than partisan.
00:34:54.000I mean, it's not just that Scarborough is a defender of the Democratic Party, which obviously he is, that whole channel is, but it's more than that.
00:35:01.000He's an advocate for destroying things, for destroying families, individuals.
00:35:05.000I mean, if you're arguing for castrating kids or for appointing a flagrant moron like Claudine Gay to the presidency of Harvard, you know, the most famous prestigious university in the world...
00:35:18.000What are you doing? Well, you're wrecking things.
00:35:20.000You're breaking things that you didn't build.
00:35:24.000If you're pushing some totally pointless foreign war, like the war in Ukraine, that Ukraine cannot win, then the only real effect is the total destruction of that country and an entire generation of men.
00:35:35.000And if you're quarterbacking that, even in the face of the dead certain knowledge, it won't work.
00:35:40.000But you're still calling for more Ukrainians to die.
00:38:06.000Yeah, seriously. I'll give it to you. So you were born into a family that was famous for business, okay, and had a company with your name on it.
00:39:23.000And it was sort of like as brutal as it's been, as costly as it's been.
00:39:26.000You know, it was definitely easier being the son of a beloved billionaire in New York City, right?
00:39:30.000You go to all the cool people parties.
00:39:32.000That was easy. This is harder, but it's much more meaningful.
00:39:37.000But you genuinely like it, so that's the key.
00:39:41.000If you take a man and you force him down a path he's not suited for, and that he doesn't really love, you'll destroy that man.
00:39:49.000You know, you've got to do things, and we're talking off air, in your personal life, like you're deeply committed to your non-professional interests, like you really love them.
00:39:57.000And that's another sign of balance and health, is someone who's not only about his job, who cares about other things, like his family, or In your case, hunting and fishing.
00:41:03.000I've been thinking a lot about this. So I grew up like you in an affluent zip code and lived in one my whole life until a few years ago, lived in D.C. for 35 years.
00:41:11.000And there's this massive premium on IQ. You're smart.
00:41:15.000That's like the highest compliment you can pay a person.
00:41:17.000He's smart. And I really have come to see the limitations in that.
00:41:22.000I think IQ matters and it's real and it's mostly hereditary.
00:41:25.000That's all true. However, that's not really the measure of a man both morally or in the marketplace even.
00:41:32.000The most successful businessmen I know are not the ones who had the highest scores in the SAT. They're the wisest.
00:41:39.000Wisdom is the goal, not intelligence, wisdom.
00:41:43.000There are an infinite number of possibilities in front of you, which do you choose?
00:41:46.000That can't be calculated by a McKinsey formula.
00:41:49.000You can't call BSG to figure that out for you.
00:41:53.000You need to know it on a gut level and you need to obey what you know.
00:41:57.000You need to follow your own instincts.
00:41:58.000And so the really good one, I mean, Dana White comes to mind as one of them.
00:42:02.000Is Dana White, did he get a higher score in the SAT than, you know, I don't know, pick your corporate chieftain?
00:42:08.000Probably not. But when, as Mike Tyson famously said, everybody got a plan until you get hit in the face.
00:42:14.000And when Dana White got hit in the face during COVID, he zagged when everyone else zigged.
00:42:47.000And so those are the guys I respect a lot.
00:42:50.000Who are the dumbest? Oh, I mean, the guys who run AB, I would say, have to be...
00:42:56.000I mean, basically, the people who run General Motors, are you joking?
00:43:00.000It's like, oh, we're not going to sell you trucks anymore that run on gasoline or diesel?
00:43:05.000Are you kidding? That's your whole business.
00:43:08.000Like, anyone who gets talked into something insane, and I will say, my father used to say this when we were kids, he would say all the really bad ideas come from the geniuses.
00:43:17.000Because they're so counterintuitive, they're so against nature, they're so against the natural order and what's obvious, that you really need to be an intellectual to fall for them.
00:44:12.000It's something 10 years ago I would have been proud of.
00:44:15.000Today you realize, we even had a saying back then, B is for billionaire, because you're right.
00:44:19.000The guys that figured out a system did a lot better than the guys that were so brilliant.
00:44:23.000They got A's in everything, but they were always trapped within that.
00:44:27.000You talk about this sort of general thing where the fake white-collar economy, right?
00:44:34.000COVID lockdowns sort of exposed it more than ever.
00:44:37.000And, you know, when your whole job is reduced down to, you know, sitting in your bed in your boxer shorts, you know, unlike a couple people maybe pleasuring themselves on conference calls, former colleagues of yours and, you know, competitors in the media space...
00:44:53.000It's sort of a reality check when we realize what's happening in our lives in corporate America.
00:44:59.000We have fake email jobs that don't really matter.
00:45:03.000You've talked about this a lot, but I think it has a drastic effect on losing the sense of meaning and purpose that is such a big part of people's day-to-day life.
00:45:14.000How do you see what's going on there right now?
00:45:17.000Well, I think it's all fruit from the same tree.
00:45:20.000It's all the product of generational affluence.
00:45:23.000And you see this in families, most obviously.
00:45:26.000There's the innovator, the hard worker, the bootstrap guy who creates the business, makes the family fortune, and then the family becomes successively less.
00:45:37.000And I have to say, since you invited it, you asked me to analyze you and your family.
00:45:41.000Looking back, the best thing that ever happened to your family probably was the suffering that you've gone through, the loss of money that you guys have gone through in the last five years.
00:45:50.000That gives you purpose and gives you meaning and sharpens you and makes you live a purposeful life because you have no choice.
00:45:57.000If that doesn't happen, if you just live off trust disbursements every month, and I've seen this, frankly, in my own family, but I've seen it in many other families, You become contemptible and you become weak and silly and ridiculous and you don't even know it.
00:46:13.000And in the end, you become self-destructive.
00:46:15.000And that is the story of rich families.
00:46:17.000The fourth generation is always killing themselves.
00:46:19.000You know what I mean? With alcoholism or whatever, literally shooting themselves.
00:46:25.000And so if you have, you know, 80 years of uninterrupted economic growth and prosperity, which is the story of America after 1945, Then, of course, you're going to get to a place where the entire ruling class is so decadent and silly and can't see themselves clearly enough to know that, that it's going to come tumbling down.
00:46:43.000I mean, it's that strong men make good times aphorism is actually real.
00:46:49.000And I'm just sorry that my children have to live in the middle of it.
00:46:52.000I kind of like the world I grew up in.
00:46:55.000I mean, you and I are that way as well, right?
00:46:57.000You grew up in a—you had—your father was like an ambassador and high up in the government and did these things.
00:47:02.000You grew up in a D.C. sort of environment around that, just like I grew up—you know, I'm supposed to go to Penn and, you know, graduate from Wharton and be a liberal in New York City, go to the rich people parties, and yet— I mean, I guess we sort of both broke out of that.
00:47:16.000We had personas that were very different than that in our real lives.
00:47:20.000You know, what made you sort of go counterculture to sort of, you know, your predetermined destiny that, you know, that should have happened and sort of engulfs 95% of probably the kids that we grew up with?
00:47:41.000I don't have to say everything I think is true.
00:47:42.000I don't have the need to, like, spill all my thoughts, some of which are stupid and crazy, probably.
00:47:46.000But I didn't want to have to repeat someone else's bumper sticker.
00:47:50.000And, like, over time, I just wouldn't.
00:47:51.000I'm not doing that. Okay, so that was the first thing.
00:47:53.000And the second thing, which is even more transformative, is I realized that the world that these people were aspiring to or occupying wasn't that great, actually.
00:48:23.000I would be a lot happier in a cabin, which I have, with no electricity or running water, than I would be at the Four Seasons fill-in-the-blank exotic destination.
00:48:33.000I appreciated the beauty of the natural world far more than I appreciated the trappings of wealth.
00:48:40.000And so you realize the thing that everybody wants in the end You know, it's better than grinding poverty.
00:48:46.000It's better than being in debt, I think, of course.
00:48:49.000But it's not that great, and it's not salvation.
00:48:52.000And for me, what really was salvation, this sounds cheesy, but I really mean it, was to be like fishing with my kids on a stream with no one else around.
00:49:00.000Like, that was the highest level for me.
00:49:02.000And remains, or bird hunting with my dogs, who I really, really love, and I see my dogs working in this weird ballet in the quail field, and I'm like, I don't think I've ever been happier.
00:49:10.000So once you decide that that's what you want, Then none of this other shit means anything at all.
00:49:15.000It's like, what are you going to give me to obey?
00:49:19.000And I mean it. That resonates so much with me, because that was like, you know, in 15, they're like, you know, they stuck me sort of out in the political field.
00:49:25.000You know, I'm an IOI. I don't even know what a caucus is.
00:49:28.000And they're like, well, how are you doing well with regular people?
00:49:30.000It's like... Well, you know, contrary to popular belief, I'm not on, like, the rubber chicken dinner circuit in New York.
00:49:36.000Like, on Friday afternoon, I'm on my farm in Pennsylvania.
00:49:38.000Like, my friends were just regular blue-collar guys.
00:49:42.000So it wasn't like, I'm telling them what they want to hear.
00:49:46.000And that's what was so disappointing about...
00:49:48.000Perhaps the disappointing part of the political process was figuring out, like, the people chosen to represent these people that live in their neighborhoods, whether it's Congress or otherwise...
00:49:59.000They were incapable of talking to their neighbors and like the son of a billionaire from New York somehow had it figured out simply because he actually spent time there.
00:50:06.000And that created a whole new level of cynicism that really created a rage which probably makes me fight the way I do as well.
00:50:13.000Well, I think you have a huge advantage, and I feel this way to some extent.
00:50:17.000If you're not insecure about your social status, if you're not trying to get super rich or get the accolades, if you've already kind of seen that a little bit and decided it's not that great, then they don't have a leash on you, actually, at that point.
00:50:30.000Again, I want to be clear. I don't want to be in debt again.
00:51:06.000And they know in the end the prize isn't worth having.
00:51:09.000Yeah. So, you know, as you talk about this, I mean, it sort of feels like we see a lot of that in news coverage, right?
00:51:15.000How different do you think our news would be?
00:51:18.000And I think this is something you're trying to do.
00:51:20.000It certainly is something, you know, I'm trying to do, just having these conversations, getting it out there in a different way.
00:51:24.000If all of the major networks weren't simply, you know, clustered in New York and D.C. I mean, we talk about those bubbles, but, you know, what would it be like if those guys were actually sort of spread out throughout the country?
00:51:37.000I think it might make a difference, but the main thing that would make a difference is the people in the business, because they determine what the institution is like.
00:51:45.000I mean, an institution is just a bunch of people with a common purpose.
00:51:48.000And in the news business, the two qualities that I look for, well, really three.
00:51:53.000First is honesty. You have to be honest, period, okay, in your personal life as well as your professional life.
00:52:23.000If you're talking to someone who's got authority over you and he's got some title, whether it's general or ambassador or president or whatever, if you instinctively genuflect before that, if you bow before him just by your nature, this is not the business for you.
00:52:37.000You have to remember, I'm a free man, I'm a citizen, I'm a moral equal to the person I'm interviewing.
00:52:43.000I'm not hostile necessarily, but I'm approaching him as an equal, as a peer.
00:52:47.000You may have been elected, you may run the Pacific Fleet or whatever, but I'm an American too.
00:52:52.000And I respectfully demand an answer on behalf of my fellow Americans.
00:52:56.000You have to have that attitude. And if inside you're a bitch, if you're a beta, if you're subordinate in your heart, And you're like, well, I can't ask the general that question.
00:53:05.000You know, he's got an aircraft carrier, or he's got a division, and I don't.
00:53:42.000They weren't willing to do a post-mortem of maybe there's something wrong with the way we're looking at things, or maybe we're not looking at things at all.
00:53:48.000And I think that goes across the board.
00:53:51.000I mean, you recently said, you know, America became a fundamentally different country the moment that Mar-a-Lago got raided.
00:53:57.000You know, both... In the media, there was silence in law enforcement.
00:54:04.000Because I do think you're right. That was a sort of a turning point in discourse.
00:54:08.000But it was also a sort of a flipping of a switch, I think, for a lot of Americans who are finally realizing that everything that they've been told about their country, everything that they've been told they must believe or they're not a patriot, so much of that is based on a total lie at this point.
00:55:06.000This is the thing that will actually destroy the country.
00:55:08.000You want to end democracy? All this pearl clutching about democracy?
00:55:12.000Democracy! If you want to end democracy, this is what you do.
00:55:15.000And of course, because we're from Washington, and my dad worked in government, I've been around it my whole life, I understand the classification system, and I know what a scam it is.
00:55:26.000So it's not a democracy by definition.
00:55:28.000If you can't see what your government is doing, you're not really in charge of your government, are you?
00:55:31.000No, of course not. And so the fact that they got them on a classification charge was so mind-boggling to me because I know how it works very, very well.
00:55:42.000And my first thought was, and I happen to like Trump, as you know, and I agree with him on 90% of his views on things, so I'm aligned already ideologically.
00:55:52.000But even if I weren't, I mean, if he was saying things that I really didn't like, I'd still...
00:55:56.000In fact, even if I hated him, which I don't, but I would still be like, no, you can't have that.
00:56:02.000My kids live here. My grandkids are going to live here.
00:56:06.000We have nowhere else to go. You can't wreck our system.
00:56:09.000You didn't create it. My family's been here hundreds of years, so I kind of feel like, sorry to say it, but a little bit of ownership of it.
00:57:05.000But they seem to be trying to do that right now, right?
00:57:08.000If you look at the January 6th treatment relative to the Summer of Love riot treatment.
00:57:12.000Yes. Democrats are always out there shouting about protecting democracy and norms, but they're out there also trying to imprison their political opponents.
00:57:20.000They're trying to censor everyone that they disagree with.
00:57:23.000What is it with the left and projection?
00:58:28.000Like you were serving not just the individual lie, but the concept and the force of evil when you do that.
00:58:33.000I mean, that's like really super dark.
00:58:36.000And that has awakened in me the sense that something else bigger than politics is going on here.
00:58:41.000And of course, I'm the last person to really know what it is.
00:58:44.000I've been an Episcopalian my whole life, but I am totally convinced That something bigger than politics is afoot, not just in this country, but across the West.
00:58:53.000And it makes me feel like I'm not sitting this out, and I am not, to the extent I have any control over anything, very limited, but for my part, I'm not going to stop yelping about this prosecution of the presidential frontrunner, because if that is allowed to happen, we're done. We're done.
01:01:16.000That's why they closed the gyms during COVID, but kept the weed dispensaries open.
01:01:20.000Physical fitness is white supremacy, Tucker.
01:01:22.000I mean, if you're in shape, if you can run a six-minute mile, if you can do a couple pull-ups and you actually strive to do that, that's not just, you know, perseverance or basic, you know, common health benefit.
01:01:33.000That's actually white supremacy these days.
01:01:43.000It's totally true. And feed you garbage, poison food, which is also true.
01:01:47.000I mean, I'm not digging into my boring life, but that's been one of the things that's taken me the longest to understand since I have such bad eating habits and such low taste in food.
01:01:56.000Even though I grew up in a rich world, I love white trash food.
01:02:00.000And it's actually poison, and it makes you weak.
01:02:03.000Not just fat. It obviously makes you fat, which is bad, I guess.
01:02:36.000And anyone who's like that, they immediately call a white supremacist.
01:02:38.000By the way, other than Trump, who remains very strong...
01:02:42.000Despite eating a diet of McDonald's and KFC. He's the one guy that can pull off, like, you know, he literally knows every item on the menu.
01:03:12.000And I was like, oh, McDonald's, you know, I'll get a McDonald's.
01:03:14.000And I had the breakfast thing, which was like delicious.
01:03:17.000It was like a head injury for the rest of the day.
01:03:19.000It was unbelievable. It kicked your butt.
01:03:21.000Sausage and cheese biscuit is incredible, but like it'll...
01:03:24.000That's what I had. You pay for it forever.
01:03:27.000It's insane. And the fact that he can just like wolf down a quarter pounder and, you know, a Milky Way and keep talking, you know, it's like he's obviously got a very unusual constitution.
01:03:37.000But for most of us, that stuff makes you weaker and easier to control.
01:03:42.000And like, I don't last thing I'll say is I don't understand why we don't see that and why we don't understand the implications.
01:03:48.000If you treated your children like the U.S. government treats its citizens, your kids should be in rehab.
01:04:24.000But I think maybe with all things Trump derangement syndrome, I do think that people are figuring that out.
01:04:29.000I mean, that's a big meme. They're talking about the physical fitness.
01:04:32.000We joke about these things, but people are starting to get it.
01:04:36.000There's a big push. And the attacks from the government and from the left radicalizing someone who actually just wants to eat healthy and calling them all sorts of names, I think it's backfiring because it's so ludicrous There's no justification for it.
01:04:51.000I think people are waking up to it, albeit slowly.
01:04:57.000But I think we haven't spent enough time thinking about motive here.
01:05:00.000I mean, one of my kids, for example, I've never lifted a weight in my life.
01:05:04.000I grew up in a world, you know, where everyone smokes cigarettes, including us at the breakfast table in, you know, eighth grade.
01:05:10.000So like, that's a whole different way of thinking to me.
01:05:12.000But one of my children, you know, decided to get into, well, all my kids are into physical fitness, but one of them really kind of got into it.
01:05:18.000And I was like, I have no idea what that is.
01:05:22.000I don't know anything about that stuff. But I instantly liked it because I recognized, you know, first of all, I love this child more than my own life, and this is a good thing, and so I'm really happy for him.
01:05:32.000The government has the opposite reaction, and so does the media.
01:05:36.000They're angry if you try to become a better, stronger, more independent, happier person.
01:05:57.000I mean, we need to think about the implications of this for a minute.
01:05:59.000Yeah, I've been saying lately to basically everyone, like, whatever disdain you have for the government, and after what they tried to do to me and continue to try to do to my family, I have a lot.
01:08:46.000And by the way, I think most things are distractions, of course.
01:08:50.000I mean, I think the amount of emotional energy Americans spend on conflicts in countries they can't find on maps, and you're seeing that a lot now, that is mostly really a PSYOP designed to We're being invaded, but no one seems to even acknowledge it.
01:09:09.000So there's that. And yes, and I think UFOs have been used a bunch of different times over the past 80 years as a distraction or whatever.
01:09:16.000But right now, I happen to know for a fact that there's a lot of information.
01:09:20.000Everyone knows that the U.S. government has these objects and has the, quote, biologics, whatever these beings were that were flying them, and has them, and they're in the warehouse of a defense contractor, and that's known, and 10 whistleblowers have attested to that.
01:09:47.000And yes, the U.S. government's been in contact with them for a long time, and there's a lot of other stuff there that they really are trying to suppress, I happen to know, in meaningful ways.
01:10:00.000And the truth is, I'm not exactly sure What this is, but some of the things that I believe are true, and based on actual evidence, are, you know, to the point where you're like, I'm not really sure what's real anymore.
01:10:14.000And so maybe it's not fruitful to focus on that stuff.
01:10:18.000I mean that. Like, okay, so we know, and I speak for myself, I believe certain things are true, okay?
01:10:24.000Because I've been... I've looked into it fairly aggressively.
01:10:27.000And at the end of that search, I'm like, okay, well, that affects my sleep.
01:11:23.000I mean, a conversation like this, and I've been on your show back on the Fox days numerous times, and how many sound bites can I get out in the three minutes that I have to get it out there?
01:11:34.000And what are you trying to do differently to actually have that intelligent conversation where you can get beyond that, again, the soundbite that's repeated every hour on the hour, 24 hours a day, regardless of sort of which channel you're watching.
01:11:46.000And, you know, if someone watches seven minutes of news these days, I feel like they got it all covered because no one else is saying anything different.
01:11:54.000First of all, let me just say you are a natural long-form guy, and so I bet you're enjoying the hell out of this because it obviously comes naturally to you.
01:12:01.000It's way more fun than doing those stupid TV hits.
01:12:04.000I've been on both sides of that for my whole life, and it's totally fruitless.
01:12:08.000I don't think it moves the ball at all, and it doesn't make you feel good.
01:12:11.000It's like prostitution. Maybe you get short-term pay, but it doesn't make you feel good about it.
01:12:14.000Please tell me your corporately sponsored talking points and then we'll go to the next person who's going to do exactly the same thing for an hour and then we all accomplish nothing and move on.
01:12:28.000It's a treadmill. It doesn't help anybody.
01:12:29.000But I, you know, look, clearly things are changing.
01:12:33.000And it's just partly because of technology, partly because I think most media organizations have so discredited themselves that their core product has no value anymore because no one believes it.
01:13:53.000So it has to be a subscription service, hopefully not very expensive, certainly less expensive than a cable subscription, but it can't be influenced.
01:14:08.000You know, Media Matters or Sleeping Giants or Southern Poverty Law Center, all these Soros censorship organizations can't touch a service that has no advertisers.
01:14:20.000And that's all coming out right now, right?
01:14:21.000There's the lawsuit that X has, you know, there's the lawsuit that Rumble has, and it's like, you know, someone's clicking on a link so that they can find a, you know, an off-color video on a free speech platform, and then they keep clicking the link so the ad finally shows up, and then they're like, oh, screenshot!
01:14:36.000This company is advertising on a racist thing.
01:14:45.000Algorithmic, but, you know, also predictable, watching everything from the left, but it's truly scary.
01:14:49.000So I love that you sort of get to that point where you are then beyond reproach.
01:14:54.000Well, I love that. I mean, you need, especially over the next 12 months, you need to protect yourself.
01:15:00.000I mean, it's the equivalent of, like, I'm sure every single person watching has had a moment in the last year where he's like, you know, I probably should buy some canned food for my basement.
01:15:08.000I mean, like, all of us can feel that turmoil is ahead, and I hope it's not as bad as I feel like it's going to be.
01:15:14.000I really pray that. However, everybody feels this need to kind of, like, make sure you got everything in a pile because it could get...
01:15:26.000It could get real. And so this is a way to protect the news source.
01:15:31.000Like, no matter what happens, I want to be able to tell people what I think is happening and bring them video of it happening and basically fill the hole, the smoking crater where NBC News and CBS and ABC, the news giants of my youth, used to be.
01:15:47.000Because they're gone. And they've long been gone, actually.
01:15:49.000It's all fake. So as a last question, because I know you had a hard out, you know, in his book, You're the Messenger, Roger Ailes, right, back from the Fox days, wrote that if you don't communicate effectively, you won't live as fully as you should, nor will you achieve any personal goals.
01:16:05.000What makes you the effective communicator that you are, right?
01:16:08.000You came in, you dominated cable news, you became number one there, you're able to bring that over, you had and have had, maybe even with my father, maybe the most viewed sort of interview in history.
01:16:20.000You know, what makes you and gave you that ability to effectively communicate?
01:16:24.000Well, I mean, that's just, you know, I mean, facility with words was like kind of the only gift that I had.
01:16:32.000I mean, I was left handed, right eye dominant, which totally, you know, it screws you up.
01:16:38.000It's very unnatural. It's even worse when you're shooting well, by the way.
01:16:48.000I had all these things that limited me in what I could do really for a living.
01:16:53.000And the only thing I was sort of natural with was reading and writing because I love to read and I love to write and it just came naturally to me.
01:17:01.000And so I went into that business, but there are a lot of articulate people in television.
01:17:48.000But I do think what helped me was just the mental change.
01:17:52.000I just decided I didn't want to lie, knowingly or unknowingly.
01:17:57.000Like, the amount of lies that I have repeated without knowing it is just vast and shameful, and I didn't want that to happen to me anymore.
01:18:03.000And, you know, it still happens to me sometimes.
01:18:05.000Like, you don't know you're being used, but you are.
01:18:08.000But now I'm, like, so paranoid about that and so focused on that.
01:18:32.000Well, that makes you so different than all the journalists out there, right?
01:18:35.000I mean, it feels like literally all of the, you know, the journalists who, you know, democracy dies in darkness, Tucker, you know, they're out there doing the bidding of the Pentagon.
01:18:43.000It's like, wait a minute, like, is that true?
01:18:46.000Or did they give you a Pentagon briefing that's designed for a very specific purpose, right?
01:18:51.000Well, in the Pentagon, I'm so glad you, without getting into names, but I would say the most destructive reporters in the entire American press corps, certainly in Washington, are not the ones who are covering for Joe Biden.
01:19:41.000And Americans, and particularly Republicans, have no idea.
01:19:43.000Republicans are totally on guard for reporters telling them that maybe Joe Biden is not senile.
01:19:48.000They're like, oh, you're a liar. Shut up.
01:19:49.000But when someone comes out, particularly on a trusted news channel that the right watches and is like, no, the Pentagon reported today that there were gas attacks in Syria, they just believe it.
01:19:59.000They totally believe it. They don't know they're being lied to, which is so scary.
01:20:03.000If you don't do their bidding, all of a sudden your access is out, and then once you don't have that access to them, then...
01:20:09.000You don't bring anything to the table in DC anymore.
01:20:11.000So even though it's been proven over and over and over again that they're lying to you,
01:20:15.000if you're not doing their bidding, it's even worse because you don't have access even to
01:20:19.000the misinformation that you're being given that you're supposed to run with.
01:20:25.000But at a certain point, you know, you get to an age, and by the way, that's true on all beats, and I've been involved in some of them personally, so I've seen it.
01:20:32.000But at a certain point, you're like, is it worth it?
01:20:46.000And I just couldn't have more contempt for them.
01:20:48.000I just couldn't. And I don't, you know, whatever, I don't want to say more than that, but I mean, that group of people is really poisonous, and they've really hurt this country, and no one says that, but it's true.
01:21:00.000Well, that's why I'm glad you're doing what you're doing.
01:21:02.000I look forward to everyone checking it out.
01:21:04.000Watch what Tucker's doing. He's one of the few people that's actually willing to have that honest conversation in media these days.
01:21:09.000And the faster we start having that conversation, the faster other people start adapting that and spreading it out there.
01:21:15.000I think the faster we can actually make real change.
01:21:17.000So I really appreciate you doing what you're doing, Tucker, and the friendship as always.