Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - Tucker Carlson is the Establishment's Sworn Enemy, Exclusive Interview | TRIGGERED Ep.93

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00:04:57.000 you hey guys welcome to another huge

00:05:23.000 episode of triggered Tonight's episode is definitely going to be one of my favorite interviews yet.

00:05:31.000 We're joined by the great, by the one and only Tucker Carlson, who's launching a new media company.

00:05:38.000 We're going to cover a lot of ground.

00:05:40.000 It's going to be a lot of fun.

00:05:41.000 Tucker's always... Great for a soundbiter, too.

00:05:44.000 Just the way he looks at the world, so I'm super excited about what he's doing.

00:05:47.000 But it's going to be wide-ranging, and I'm sure it will drive the fake news frauds in the media absolutely insane.

00:05:56.000 And if we accomplish only that, it will be worth it.

00:05:59.000 So you're not gonna wanna miss this one at all.

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00:06:31.000 So we're going to get to Tucker just ahead.

00:06:34.000 But first, we gotta do a rundown of the top headlines because it's absolutely crazy

00:06:39.000 what's going on in America right now.

00:06:41.000 Joe Biden is literally driving our country off a cliff.

00:06:46.000 We've almost become numb at this point, folks, to how out of control the border is.

00:06:51.000 It's important we don't let what's going on become normal.

00:06:56.000 It's not normal, folks.

00:06:58.000 In 2019, Obama's former Homeland Security Secretary, Jeh Johnson, said that if 4,000 people cross the border

00:07:06.000 in a day, that's a, quote, crisis.

00:07:09.000 4,000. Well, last week, 12,000 people were caught in one day, in one day, crossing the border.

00:07:19.000 That's three times the Obama crisis.

00:07:22.000 The Obama crisis threshold.

00:07:25.000 Think of how insane that is.

00:07:27.000 Usually when you think of the border, you think of Mexicans or Guatemalans crossing it, but the whole world is now coming across our porous Swiss cheese border, including lots of Chinese. 1.00

00:07:39.000 Look at this massive group of Chinese men at the border just the other day.

00:07:43.000 You'll notice in a lot of these videos that no one is even attempting,

00:08:08.000 Even attempting to evade capture at the border.

00:08:12.000 These illegals actually turn themselves in.

00:08:16.000 That's the problem.

00:08:17.000 Legals don't have to sneak into the country because they know they will be released into the country and given free healthcare and housing.

00:08:25.000 Right? The only ones that are actually sneaking in are probably the terrorists and these who are well-funded and creating sleeper cells all over the place.

00:08:33.000 It's going to be a disaster.

00:08:35.000 That's obvious.

00:08:37.000 To rich liberals, the reality of our border just isn't a problem.

00:08:42.000 They don't care. The thing that scares them is if my father got back into office and actually started enforcing immigration law.

00:08:53.000 This is for yourself. This is truly special stuff.

00:08:56.000 What would a second Donald Trump term look like?

00:08:59.000 Well, he cannot be the next president.

00:09:03.000 Because if he is...

00:09:05.000 You can't imagine the things that he's going to do.

00:09:08.000 Mexico, Canada.

00:09:09.000 We can't go to Canada because eventually Canada will become annexed to America. 0.94

00:09:15.000 And shoot visitors to the White House.

00:09:16.000 Yeah. That means he can shoot the First Lady. 1.00

00:09:19.000 We're going to see violence the likes of which we didn't even see on January 6th.

00:09:25.000 Make it illegal to run against him, to throw his opponents in jail, to shut down the media.

00:09:30.000 He will make himself into the Fuhrer and he will make everybody raise their hand and salute him. 0.99

00:09:35.000 Using martial law against the American people.

00:09:38.000 Terminate the Constitution.

00:09:39.000 Rewrite the Constitution.

00:09:41.000 Create mass internment camps. 0.92

00:09:47.000 Biden cares so little about immigration enforcement that he's even planning on closing an immigration detention facility.

00:09:55.000 You know, so at a time where the numbers are the highest they've ever been, they're actually closing down facilities because I guess it's just easier to release them into the country.

00:10:04.000 This crisis is completely Joe Biden and the Democrats' fault.

00:10:09.000 This is their policy doing this.

00:10:11.000 He's doing everything he possibly can to encourage it.

00:10:16.000 And don't buy, by the way, folks, the Biden smoke screens that all of a sudden he might start caring about the border because his poll numbers are so bad.

00:10:25.000 Okay? Don't buy it.

00:10:27.000 It's nonsense. I've seen some bad ones, folks. I promise you. Before I got into this world, I was in business.

00:10:52.000 I saw some of the dumbest pitches I've ever possibly seen. 0.95

00:10:54.000 His message to critics of Ukraine aid, don't worry about building roads. 0.98

00:11:00.000 Just focus on defending Ukraine. 0.72

00:11:03.000 Meaning, don't worry about your border, your problems.

00:11:06.000 Defend Ukraine. 0.91

00:11:07.000 Send us missiles and drones.

00:11:09.000 They want us to also fund their pensions.

00:11:12.000 We have trillions in unfunded pension liability right here at home.

00:11:18.000 Americans who've worked for their entire lives are going to be depending on it.

00:11:22.000 And it doesn't exist, folks.

00:11:23.000 It's fictitious. It's a trillion dollar problem here at home.

00:11:25.000 But we should take care of their pensions, too.

00:11:28.000 Watch for yourself. What do you say to critics who are saying that?

00:11:33.000 I say, such person from government or mayors, think about the war, think about how to defend our people.

00:11:43.000 Don't travel through the world each day.

00:11:46.000 Travel to the front line.

00:11:48.000 Ask people, ask soldiers what they need.

00:11:51.000 Do this. Not build roads for today.

00:11:55.000 Don't do it. Spend all your money to the weapon, to the drones, to the society, to the pensions, and etc.

00:12:02.000 And don't cry. Because you're leaders.

00:12:06.000 And that's it. That's why we are.

00:12:09.000 And that's why we stay.

00:12:10.000 Because mostly people, people are not crying.

00:12:13.000 People stay and fight against Putin.

00:12:16.000 And we don't have any enemies in our country.

00:12:20.000 We can't have time for this.

00:12:23.000 And we don't have it.

00:12:24.000 We have only one enemy.

00:12:26.000 This is Putin. And that's it.

00:12:30.000 But you'll stand from democracy going forward?

00:12:32.000 Yes, of course. And of course.

00:12:34.000 Because we are really defending democracy and we are really defending freedom.

00:12:40.000 Mr. President, we appreciate your time and we'll continue to follow the war.

00:12:45.000 The Democrats are completely hysterical and they're demanding that we send billions, billions

00:12:51.000 more of dollars to Ukraine.

00:12:54.000 Republicans in the Senate and in the House are finally taking a much needed stand.

00:13:00.000 They're refusing to send over tens of billions of dollars over to Ukraine until Biden agrees

00:13:06.000 to some border security measures.

00:13:09.000 Now, I'm not gonna hold my breath.

00:13:11.000 And I'm not sure it's a quid pro quo.

00:13:14.000 We've spent $130 billion in Ukraine, and we can't articulate what we've even gotten for it.

00:13:20.000 The Pentagon's lost more.

00:13:21.000 They've admitted they don't know where the money is.

00:13:23.000 They have no idea where it's being spent.

00:13:25.000 I have a feeling we're creating an oligarch class of billionaire Ukrainians who are stealing it all. 1.00

00:13:31.000 But, you know, that's just obvious.

00:13:34.000 Now, we shouldn't be sending Zelensky any money regardless, guys.

00:13:40.000 Again, it's just being stolen.

00:13:42.000 But this is a welcome change for a change.

00:13:46.000 This fight is revealing how Democrats care more about Ukraine's border than America's.

00:13:52.000 Just watch this clip of Nancy Pelosi the other night on MSNBC. My pleasure, but remember, the longer they take for Ukraine, more people will die, more women will be raped, more children will be kidnapped, and it'll be all on them.

00:14:06.000 We have to get them to move.

00:14:08.000 This says it all, folks. 1.00

00:14:09.000 She doesn't care about illegal immigrants murdering and raping Americans. 1.00

00:14:14.000 I mean, who cares? She cares more about Ukrainians than the people she's elected to represent. 1.00

00:14:21.000 Mitch McConnell and the other RINO Senate Republicans are willing to give Ukraine all the money we can send them.

00:14:28.000 What about, like, maybe taking care of Americans? 0.75

00:14:31.000 I mean, I understand that's off the table for them.

00:14:33.000 How is it so disjointed?

00:14:36.000 They're just asking for a tiny bit of border security and the Democrats are unwilling to give it.

00:14:43.000 Biden wants Ukraine to be able to protect itself while America just has to accept becoming a dumping ground of the third world. 1.00

00:14:53.000 And while we're there, no legal consequences for illegal immigrants. 0.90

00:14:59.000 What about our favorite crackhead Hunter Biden, who refused to show up for his congressional testimony this week?

00:15:06.000 I'm actually looking, and I've been waiting.

00:15:07.000 I'm holding my breath. I'm looking for the same amount of outrage from the media as they would have had if I blew off one of my five congressional subpoenas.

00:15:19.000 But since they're covering for Joe Biden and his corruption, I'm not going to hold my breath.

00:15:24.000 But he needs to be held in contempt of Congress.

00:15:29.000 He needs criminal charges.

00:15:31.000 They're trying to do the smokescreen again.

00:15:33.000 We talked about this last week of, well, no, he wants to testify publicly.

00:15:37.000 It's not the same.

00:15:38.000 You don't have the ability to get into the details.

00:15:41.000 There's so much here.

00:15:42.000 He needs the full Donald Trump Jr.

00:15:46.000 treatment. I did that...

00:15:48.000 They pushed Russia, Russia for years. 0.91

00:15:51.000 I did 40 hours for a 20 minute meeting.

00:15:53.000 There's so much more in the Hunter Biden stuff.

00:15:58.000 Then even meets the eye, he should probably be there for weeks.

00:16:02.000 And then, and then, once they actually have the details to be able to look into, then we can do the public testimony.

00:16:09.000 I'm all for it. But the Democrats pretending that the testimony of Hunter publicly is about transparency, it's not.

00:16:16.000 It's the way to make sure you don't get into the details, and that's how it actually works.

00:16:21.000 If they were intellectually honest, they'd tell you that, but they ain't.

00:16:26.000 Hunter Biden blatantly lied during his press conference and said that his father had no financial involvement in his business.

00:16:34.000 The New York Times conveniently altered that headline because, again, the Democrats, the mainstream media, big tech, they are running cover for Joe Biden, the Democrat agenda, and the insanity that they've brought to America.

00:16:49.000 What was the 10% for the big guy email all about, folks?

00:16:52.000 It must be something.

00:16:55.000 Couldn't be about Joe Biden.

00:16:57.000 Even if we have the wire transfers, even if you have the phone records, even if you have the photos and the admissions of the other Hunter Biden business partners, it must all be wrong, right?

00:17:09.000 They must have got it wrong.

00:17:10.000 He's innocent. He also had the nerve.

00:17:14.000 Hunter Biden, of all people, had the nerve to lecture us about decency.

00:17:20.000 About decency.

00:17:21.000 Hunter Biden. Watch this one.

00:17:27.000 James Comer, Jim Jordan, Jason Smith and their colleagues have distorted the facts by cherry-picking lines from a bank statement, manipulating texts I sent, editing the testimony of my friends and former business partners, and misstating personal information that was stolen from me.

00:17:50.000 There is no fairness or decency in what these Republicans are doing.

00:17:59.000 They have lied over and over about every aspect of my personal and professional life, so much so that their lies have become the false facts believed by too many people.

00:18:14.000 No matter how many times it is debunked, they continue to insist that my father's support of Ukraine against Russia is the result of a non-existent bribe.

00:18:25.000 They displayed naked photos of me during an oversight hearing.

00:18:30.000 Yeah, decency. 0.99

00:18:32.000 The guy who films himself smoking crack with prostitutes on end. 0.94

00:18:36.000 The guy who didn't and refused to pay child support while spending almost a million dollars in a four-year period on drugs and hookers.

00:18:44.000 Who took out 1.6 million in that same period of time.

00:18:48.000 In ATM cash withdrawals, couldn't pay for child support.

00:18:52.000 Yeah, no, this guy's going to lecture us on decency.

00:18:55.000 This guy is the moral person we're going to be looking for for the definition of decency.

00:19:02.000 But again, the media will cover for him, the Democrats.

00:19:05.000 No, no, no, it's addiction, folks. 1.00

00:19:08.000 Addiction doesn't absolve you from being a total piece of shit in every other aspect of your life, folks, just so we're clear. 0.99

00:19:13.000 We all know people that suffer from addiction. 0.99

00:19:15.000 If Hunter was truly sorry, he'd be returning the millions of ill-gotten gains.

00:19:20.000 But you know that ain't gonna happen.

00:19:22.000 Not even a cent will go back because it's all a lie that he will hide behind.

00:19:28.000 Okay, he's the victim here, folks.

00:19:30.000 Hunter's the victim, right?

00:19:32.000 He's just an innocent son, right?

00:19:34.000 50-year-old innocent son.

00:19:36.000 It's strange. I'm younger than him, but I wasn't the innocent son.

00:19:38.000 And guess what? I did my stuff.

00:19:41.000 I did my testimony for treason, a crime punishable by death, and I took it like a man. 0.99

00:19:47.000 Hunter, he's not going to do that.

00:19:49.000 We all know it. Will the FBI arrest and shackle Hunter Biden like they did to Peter Navarro?

00:19:56.000 Are they going to get and give him the pre-dawn raid treatment with machine guns and armored personnel carriers like they did to Roger Stone?

00:20:06.000 No, no, no, guys.

00:20:08.000 They're not going to do that. The one rule for the Bidens and the one rule for the rest of us, policy will apply.

00:20:15.000 The evidence of Biden's corruption has been out in the public for years.

00:20:19.000 Biden himself said on camera that he got the prosecutor fired at Burisma.

00:20:25.000 Remember, that's where Hunter was making millions for a no-show job that no one knew what he was doing in a language he didn't speak in a business he knew nothing about, conveniently.

00:20:33.000 Just in case you needed the refresher, here it is.

00:20:36.000 Walking out to the press conference said, no, I said, I'm not going to, we're not going to give you the billion dollars.

00:20:41.000 They said, you have no authority.

00:20:43.000 You're not the president. The president said, I said, call him.

00:20:47.000 I said, I'm telling you, you're not getting a billion dollars.

00:20:49.000 I said, you're not getting a billion?

00:20:51.000 I'm going to be leaving here, I think it was, what, six hours?

00:20:53.000 I looked, I said, I'm leaving in six hours.

00:20:55.000 If the prosecutor's not fired, you're not getting the money. 1.00

00:20:58.000 Oh, son of a bitch. 1.00

00:21:00.000 You got fired. While the Bidens have gotten rich, you've gotten poorer. 1.00

00:21:05.000 Mortgage payments on homes have increased 90% during the Biden presidency.

00:21:11.000 90%. Biden is losing head-to-head against my father.

00:21:17.000 Guys, instead of uniting around the eventual nominee on the Republican side, establishment forces are going all out donating to Nikki Haley.

00:21:28.000 Guess what, guys? Nikki Haley isn't gonna win shit, okay? 0.99

00:21:31.000 All she's doing is dividing the party. 1.00

00:21:34.000 She's draining the resources that we're gonna need to take on the Democrat machine, okay? 1.00

00:21:40.000 The gamesmanship, the lawfare, the cheating, the margin of fraud, okay?

00:21:46.000 First, the establishment wanted Ron to sanctimonious.

00:21:49.000 That failed miserably. Once they saw him, let's say, in long form, realized, ah, yeah, he's not the guy.

00:21:55.000 The guy's so insecure, he's got to wear high heels.

00:21:57.000 Probably not the guy we want leading our country.

00:21:59.000 And then, after they realized he's a dud, they moved on to Haley.

00:22:04.000 And speaking of being sanctimonious, the liberals out, they're out of control with the sanctimony.

00:22:11.000 You've been watching what's going on at Harvard this week. 1.00

00:22:15.000 Harvard, which claims magically to love free speech, even though they were ranked like one of the last universities in America as it related to free speech, just blocked comments on their announcement supporting their idiotic president. 0.99

00:22:29.000 Think about this. They stand for free speech. 0.99

00:22:34.000 They're giving a pass to someone who plagiarized Five of her 11 academic papers who oversaw Harvard's disastrous response to hate-filled and insane hate on campus that would have violated their codes of conduct.

00:22:55.000 And now, the president of Harvard, who seems to be a DEI candidate and only given that position because she checked a couple boxes, they gave her a pass.

00:23:09.000 No other person would have been given a pass for plagiarizing all of their stuff.

00:23:13.000 No other person would have been given a pass for allowing what happened to happen on Harvard's campus.

00:23:20.000 But the problem with the DEI house of cards is that if you actually face some accountability, the entire charade collapses.

00:23:29.000 It falls apart.

00:23:30.000 We're all seeing it.

00:23:32.000 They're just finally saying the quiet part out loud.

00:23:35.000 Everyone understands that if you were attacking any other group, whether it was trans or African Americans at Harvard, those people would have been out in two seconds.

00:23:43.000 If Donald Trump Jr. 0.99

00:23:45.000 was at Harvard, or perhaps Tucker Carlson, who will be up next, was at Harvard, and plagiarized major academic papers that enabled them to attain that position of president of Harvard, despite very few other academic credentials, It'd be a problem and they'd be out on their ass. 0.99

00:24:01.000 But no, no, no. Bastion of Free Speech Harvard unanimously stands by Claudine Gay and conveniently turned off all the comments to the post because they too apparently really love free speech. 0.91

00:24:16.000 Just kidding, folks. They're full of shit. 1.00

00:24:18.000 We all know it. But at least the veil has finally fallen. 1.00

00:24:21.000 And finally, folks, a major story broke just the other week and went completely unnoticed.

00:24:28.000 The Democrats' star, January 6th, committee witness Cassidy Hutchinson, corrected several parts of her testimony.

00:24:39.000 Guys, this is one that I did, I think it was about another 10 hours in front of, right?

00:24:44.000 Trying to jail everyone and whatever it may be.

00:24:46.000 But remember all her crazy, unfounded claims about my father?

00:24:49.000 He tried to gain control of the beast. 0.83

00:24:51.000 He choked out Secret Service.

00:24:53.000 I was like, man, if 75-year-old Donald Trump at the time is choking out a federal agent and taking control of the beast to show support for our people, I'm like, I don't know, man.

00:25:01.000 I don't think that makes me like him less.

00:25:03.000 Maybe it makes me like him even more.

00:25:07.000 But apparently, it's all totally made up.

00:25:09.000 I think they tried to change, what, 19 pages?

00:25:12.000 19 pages of testimony now magically has been changed.

00:25:16.000 She submitted what is called an errata sheet, which is usually used for fixing typos, right?

00:25:21.000 I said it was 1201.

00:25:23.000 It was actually 1202, I'm sorry, but not a fundamental change.

00:25:26.000 But hers includes significant changes to her account of everything that happened and key events on January 6th.

00:25:34.000 It sounds like she should be brought back to testify again so she can be cross-examined and explain how you have to change that much.

00:25:44.000 It's almost as if she was just a puppet doing whatever the Democrats said, was promised some sort of quid pro quo if she could help take down Trump.

00:25:52.000 But like all other things, January 6th, they will do what they can to cover up the never-ending lies.

00:26:00.000 Like they have with the videos and exculpatory evidence and denying basic due process because we live in the People's Republic of America.

00:26:09.000 We no longer live in the America that we grew up in.

00:26:12.000 We should all understand that and see it and make sure we actually do something about that in 2024 while there's still a chance to reverse the insanity we're witnessing.

00:26:24.000 And we're expected to learn even more about how much Cassidy Hutchinson walked back.

00:26:31.000 But again, it's just another example of the Democrats' January 6th narrative crumbling.

00:26:37.000 This is why we need authentic America first fighters inside the Republican Party.

00:26:43.000 No one who is going to carry water for the swamp.

00:26:47.000 And Tucker will be here in just a few moments to talk about just that.

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00:31:02.000 All right, guys. Well, first off, I want to take the time to thank Tucker Carlson for joining us.

00:31:06.000 I know a lot of things are going on on your end, Tucker, right now, including launching literally a new media company taking on a lot of the establishment that's out there with the Tucker Carlson Network.

00:31:17.000 Now, you've done some... Big interviews lately.

00:31:20.000 Kid Rock, Dana White, Alex Jones.

00:31:22.000 But when are we going to see the interviews that we're all waiting for, like Brian Stelter, Zelinsky, or even perhaps creepy porn lawyer Michael Avenatti?

00:31:33.000 I mean, that one may be the number one interview I want to see of all time based on episode one that we saw.

00:31:40.000 But, you know, it's hard to say of all of them who's the biggest grifter, but maybe it's Zelinsky.

00:31:45.000 What do you think? I would love to interview him, and I can't do it in Ukraine.

00:31:50.000 I think I would be arrested there.

00:31:51.000 I'm not really afraid.

00:31:53.000 I mean, at this point, my kids are running.

00:31:55.000 I'm not really afraid of much. I don't think I should go to Ukraine, though.

00:31:58.000 So I'm not going to do that.

00:32:00.000 But I would love to interview Zelensky.

00:32:02.000 He's turned us down. Avenatti's in prison for many years.

00:32:07.000 We did just visit Julian Assange in prison, so I've interviewed people in prison before, but I don't know if he would sign off on us visiting.

00:32:16.000 We've got a bunch of interviews coming, but you're totally right.

00:32:19.000 And Stelter, that's a tough call.

00:32:21.000 I mean, first of all, I don't want to be in the same room as Stelter.

00:32:23.000 There's something very poisonous about that guy and kind of feline and scary.

00:32:28.000 Alex Jones was absolutely right about Brian Stelter.

00:32:31.000 It's not just that he's wrong.

00:32:33.000 It's that there's a lot of malice in Brian Stelter, a lot of repressed...

00:32:36.000 Well, a lot of things were repressed in Brian Seltzer, but a lot of repressed rage and hatred.

00:32:40.000 And he's a destroyer.

00:32:42.000 I agree with that. I think we talked to him by remote.

00:32:44.000 It feels like there's so much malice just in the media in general.

00:32:48.000 I mean, you are one of the people that really, you created Rachel Maddow, right?

00:32:52.000 You brought her on. You gave her a platform.

00:32:54.000 You've worked with Joe Scarborough.

00:32:57.000 You used to work for, you know, some pretty prominent figures in conservatism that have, you know, lost their minds.

00:33:05.000 Yeah. You know, what's going on there?

00:33:06.000 How'd that malice come about?

00:33:09.000 You know, I don't know.

00:33:10.000 I suspect it's personal.

00:33:12.000 I mean, I really think your politics grow out of whatever is inside you.

00:33:16.000 And in the case of Joe Scarborough specifically, I mean, I knew him really well, and I always admired his intelligence.

00:33:23.000 He's genuinely smart. He's not stupid at all.

00:33:26.000 Very clever guy. Very calculating guy. 0.71

00:33:29.000 But I think the burden of things that Joe has done And I'm not just talking about the murder he's been accused of.

00:33:36.000 I have my views on that.

00:33:37.000 I don't know whether he actually committed it or not.

00:33:39.000 He's been credibly accused of killing a girl, however.

00:33:42.000 I don't know if it's that or some things in his personal life, but whatever it is, that is a hater.

00:33:49.000 He's really transformed from a kind of thoughtful, clever, funny guy who had views To a guy who's just bent on destroying other people.

00:33:58.000 And again, I think that grows out of the misery inside and the guilt that he feels over the things that he's done in his life, etc.

00:34:05.000 And a much healthier way to deal with that, I mean, all of us have done things we feel guilty about, I certainly have, is to admit them and kind of let them fall away, let the guilt fall away and just move forward as a whole person.

00:34:17.000 But someone like Scarborough just can't do it.

00:34:19.000 And it's bad for the country when people like that have national platforms, I think.

00:34:23.000 Do you think he's sort of doing the, like, become a Democrat spokesperson because there's actually a lot less accountability if you're doing the bidding of the left?

00:34:33.000 I mean, it feels like if you're a conservative, you know, Tucker Carlson, if you were an academic, would not be getting the same treatment at Harvard as Claudine Gay is at Harvard for the same thing, for the same gross incompetence, for plagiarism, etc.

00:34:45.000 I mean, is there a life jacket to doing the bidding of the radical left today?

00:34:50.000 There's no doubt about it, but I think it's bigger than partisan.

00:34:54.000 I mean, it's not just that Scarborough is a defender of the Democratic Party, which obviously he is, that whole channel is, but it's more than that.

00:35:01.000 He's an advocate for destroying things, for destroying families, individuals. 0.96

00:35:05.000 I mean, if you're arguing for castrating kids or for appointing a flagrant moron like Claudine Gay to the presidency of Harvard, you know, the most famous prestigious university in the world... 0.98

00:35:18.000 What are you doing? Well, you're wrecking things. 0.99

00:35:20.000 You're breaking things that you didn't build.

00:35:22.000 You're advocating for destruction.

00:35:24.000 If you're pushing some totally pointless foreign war, like the war in Ukraine, that Ukraine cannot win, then the only real effect is the total destruction of that country and an entire generation of men.

00:35:35.000 And if you're quarterbacking that, even in the face of the dead certain knowledge, it won't work.

00:35:40.000 But you're still calling for more Ukrainians to die.

00:35:43.000 What are you doing? 0.97

00:35:44.000 Well, of course, you're serving evil.

00:35:46.000 You're serving the destruction of other people and of institutions that were worth having

00:35:49.000 but are now gone.

00:35:51.000 And that's kind of where Joe finds himself.

00:35:52.000 So I think it's deeper than partisan.

00:35:54.000 I think there's something spiritual going on here.

00:35:57.000 What about Bill Kristol?

00:35:58.000 I mean, you started off working for him, and he's taken that same approach.

00:36:03.000 But I mean, this is someone that, at least at a time, would have been a noted conservative scholar.

00:36:07.000 It feels like he's literally, you know, a full-blown, not even like, you know, Kennedy-type Democrat.

00:36:14.000 He's a full-blown radical, you know, Marxist.

00:36:17.000 He is. And what's interesting about Crystal, he's very much like Claudine Gay. 0.61

00:36:21.000 Both are the beneficiaries of affirmative action, both occupy places they haven't earned and have reputations they didn't earn.

00:36:28.000 And neither one is a scholar. 0.55

00:36:29.000 Both are kind of midwits.

00:36:31.000 I mean, Crystal's above average intelligence, certainly not a genius, but neither one of them has ever written a book.

00:36:36.000 Bill Kristol is a scholar.

00:36:38.000 He's a PhD from Harvard, but he's never written a single book.

00:36:41.000 And he's not a good writer.

00:36:43.000 I mean, he had a column for the New York Times, which they canceled because he couldn't write a 750-word column twice a week.

00:36:49.000 So he's not that bright. 1.00

00:36:51.000 He's kind of dumb. I mean, he's smarter than most people probably, but he's hardly a genius. 0.99

00:36:56.000 He's hardly a scholar.

00:36:57.000 His whole life is a pose.

00:37:00.000 And he's really angry about it.

00:37:02.000 I mean, if you take someone and put him in a position he hasn't earned, he got there

00:37:04.000 because of his dad, of course, Irving Kristol.

00:37:07.000 He was the son of a famous guy.

00:37:08.000 And you put him in this position and you give him accolades he hasn't earned, he knows that.

00:37:14.000 And so he feels bad about himself and he takes that rage out on other people.

00:37:18.000 And so Kristol doesn't really say, I mean, I worked for him for five and a half years,

00:37:21.000 so I know what he's like.

00:37:23.000 And he's a hater.

00:37:25.000 And he absolutely hates Christian conservatives, for sure, above all.

00:37:30.000 And once you understand that, you can kind of see what this is really about.

00:37:34.000 It's not about conservatism or helping America.

00:37:37.000 It's about crushing and suppressing certain people because of their religious faith and their ethnicity.

00:37:41.000 That's what he's really about.

00:37:43.000 Okay, so as someone who perhaps sits in a similar situation, right?

00:37:46.000 I have a father that's incredibly accomplished.

00:37:48.000 He's done things in all sorts of walks of life.

00:37:50.000 How would you view, what's your analysis of me as being different than that?

00:37:53.000 Because you've seen that that can destroy certain people.

00:37:57.000 So is my, when I go out there and fight for all these things, I'm curious to see what the Tucker analysis is on that one.

00:38:05.000 You want an honest now?

00:38:06.000 Yeah, seriously. I'll give it to you. So you were born into a family that was famous for business, okay, and had a company with your name on it.

00:38:13.000 Be pretty easy to stay with that.

00:38:16.000 And that's probably not a good thing, actually.

00:38:18.000 I mean, if you're really into it and really great at it, do it.

00:38:20.000 But you did something that is your salvation and the salvation of all of us, which is you followed your gifts and your actual enthusiasms.

00:38:28.000 You're like, hmm, you know, the two things I love, I love politics and And I love the outdoors.

00:38:33.000 I love hunting and fishing. And you decided to master those.

00:38:36.000 And you had a natural aptitude for it.

00:38:38.000 You left a more comfortable path, which was kind of guaranteed because literally your name's on the company.

00:38:43.000 And you're like, I'm going to go into this thing I've never done before, but I just love it.

00:38:46.000 Your dad runs for president. You get hauled out as a surrogate.

00:38:49.000 You don't have a ton of experience in it.

00:38:51.000 And you're like, wow, this just feels right.

00:38:52.000 I'm really passionate. And that's why you're like a normal person who's not controlled by your insecurities.

00:39:00.000 As distinct from someone like Claudine Gay, who's like, oh shit, I'm the president of Harvard. 0.99

00:39:04.000 I'm not very smart. 1.00

00:39:06.000 And she knows she's an imposter. 0.99

00:39:07.000 Same with Bill Kristol. You're like, no, I love this.

00:39:11.000 It's like real. No, it's interesting.

00:39:12.000 People can feel it on you. You know, people, you know, like, well, You know, it's so brutal.

00:39:16.000 All the investigations. I was like, no, no, no.

00:39:17.000 I got a chance to sort of remake myself in my late 30s.

00:39:20.000 Not everyone gets that chance.

00:39:21.000 So it is unique.

00:39:23.000 And it was sort of like as brutal as it's been, as costly as it's been.

00:39:26.000 You know, it was definitely easier being the son of a beloved billionaire in New York City, right?

00:39:30.000 You go to all the cool people parties.

00:39:32.000 That was easy. This is harder, but it's much more meaningful.

00:39:37.000 But you genuinely like it, so that's the key.

00:39:41.000 If you take a man and you force him down a path he's not suited for, and that he doesn't really love, you'll destroy that man.

00:39:49.000 You know, you've got to do things, and we're talking off air, in your personal life, like you're deeply committed to your non-professional interests, like you really love them.

00:39:57.000 And that's another sign of balance and health, is someone who's not only about his job, who cares about other things, like his family, or In your case, hunting and fishing.

00:40:06.000 I share those loves, so I know it.

00:40:08.000 But it could be anything.

00:40:09.000 It could be you're a secret watercolorist or you love to sing opera or whatever.

00:40:13.000 As long as it's real, as long as it's your actual passion and ability, then you'll make it.

00:40:20.000 You'll survive. You won't be distorted.

00:40:22.000 But Bill Kristol, you know, he's posing as a writer.

00:40:24.000 He literally can't write.

00:40:26.000 Like, imagine the hell of that.

00:40:28.000 That's got to be pretty brutal.

00:40:29.000 I mean, I'm not a writer, but I got a couple of bestsellers, so I guess I'm doing better than Bill Kristol.

00:40:33.000 Yeah. So you've transcended, you know, it's not just politics anymore.

00:40:38.000 You're dealing with businessmen.

00:40:39.000 You're dealing with pop culture.

00:40:42.000 You've figured out how to meld all of those things together.

00:40:45.000 So, you know, who's the smartest of all the people that you've sat down with?

00:40:50.000 Who's that smartest business person, politician, whatever it may be that you've interacted with? 0.98

00:40:55.000 And then conversely, who's the dumbest that, you know, people may not think would be dumb? 0.99

00:41:01.000 That's such a great question. 0.99

00:41:03.000 I've been thinking a lot about this. So I grew up like you in an affluent zip code and lived in one my whole life until a few years ago, lived in D.C. for 35 years.

00:41:11.000 And there's this massive premium on IQ. You're smart.

00:41:15.000 That's like the highest compliment you can pay a person.

00:41:17.000 He's smart. And I really have come to see the limitations in that.

00:41:22.000 I think IQ matters and it's real and it's mostly hereditary.

00:41:25.000 That's all true. However, that's not really the measure of a man both morally or in the marketplace even.

00:41:32.000 The most successful businessmen I know are not the ones who had the highest scores in the SAT. They're the wisest.

00:41:39.000 Wisdom is the goal, not intelligence, wisdom.

00:41:43.000 There are an infinite number of possibilities in front of you, which do you choose?

00:41:46.000 That can't be calculated by a McKinsey formula.

00:41:49.000 You can't call BSG to figure that out for you.

00:41:53.000 You need to know it on a gut level and you need to obey what you know.

00:41:57.000 You need to follow your own instincts.

00:41:58.000 And so the really good one, I mean, Dana White comes to mind as one of them.

00:42:02.000 Is Dana White, did he get a higher score in the SAT than, you know, I don't know, pick your corporate chieftain?

00:42:08.000 Probably not. But when, as Mike Tyson famously said, everybody got a plan until you get hit in the face.

00:42:14.000 And when Dana White got hit in the face during COVID, he zagged when everyone else zigged.

00:42:19.000 He went in the opposite direction.

00:42:21.000 But you can't do that. And he's like, no, no, no, I have to do this.

00:42:23.000 And he did it. And it made his sport predominant.

00:42:27.000 It's when the crisis hits, that's when you know who somebody is. 1.00

00:42:31.000 All the rest of it is just bullshit. 0.97

00:42:33.000 All the rest of it is just the product of some meeting where smart people got together to play in the future. 0.99

00:42:37.000 And none of it means a thing.

00:42:39.000 It's only when there's a true crisis, like someone leaks your Access Hollywood video or COVID hits or whatever.

00:42:45.000 How do you behave then?

00:42:47.000 And so those are the guys I respect a lot. 1.00

00:42:50.000 Who are the dumbest? Oh, I mean, the guys who run AB, I would say, have to be... 0.99

00:42:56.000 I mean, basically, the people who run General Motors, are you joking?

00:43:00.000 It's like, oh, we're not going to sell you trucks anymore that run on gasoline or diesel?

00:43:05.000 Are you kidding? That's your whole business.

00:43:08.000 Like, anyone who gets talked into something insane, and I will say, my father used to say this when we were kids, he would say all the really bad ideas come from the geniuses.

00:43:17.000 Because they're so counterintuitive, they're so against nature, they're so against the natural order and what's obvious, that you really need to be an intellectual to fall for them.

00:43:26.000 And so like, hey, I have an idea.

00:43:27.000 Let's get rid of money and reorganize the society on an agrarian basis and murder everyone who wears eyeglasses. 1.00

00:43:36.000 That was the Khmer Rouge program. 0.98

00:43:38.000 But it wasn't conceived by peasants.

00:43:40.000 It was conceived by schoolteachers and intellectuals.

00:43:43.000 The smartest people in Cambodia came up with the killing fields. 1.00

00:43:47.000 Of course, the peasants never would have come up with something like that.

00:43:49.000 They'd be like, well, some people need eyeglasses, you know? 0.99

00:43:52.000 Like, they never could have convinced themselves of something that dumb. 0.94

00:43:55.000 Well, no, I mean, that's manifesting itself so much right now, where you see, like, sort of the illusion of academia and Harvard. 0.98

00:44:03.000 You realize, like, well, no, everything's a DEI program.

00:44:05.000 You know, you can't get in there. The feeling I had for my, you know, Penn and Wharton diploma...

00:44:11.000 It doesn't mean anything anymore.

00:44:12.000 It's something 10 years ago I would have been proud of.

00:44:15.000 Today you realize, we even had a saying back then, B is for billionaire, because you're right.

00:44:19.000 The guys that figured out a system did a lot better than the guys that were so brilliant.

00:44:23.000 They got A's in everything, but they were always trapped within that.

00:44:27.000 You talk about this sort of general thing where the fake white-collar economy, right? 0.71

00:44:34.000 COVID lockdowns sort of exposed it more than ever.

00:44:37.000 And, you know, when your whole job is reduced down to, you know, sitting in your bed in your boxer shorts, you know, unlike a couple people maybe pleasuring themselves on conference calls, former colleagues of yours and, you know, competitors in the media space...

00:44:52.000 What's going on with that?

00:44:53.000 It's sort of a reality check when we realize what's happening in our lives in corporate America.

00:44:59.000 We have fake email jobs that don't really matter.

00:45:03.000 You've talked about this a lot, but I think it has a drastic effect on losing the sense of meaning and purpose that is such a big part of people's day-to-day life.

00:45:14.000 How do you see what's going on there right now?

00:45:17.000 Well, I think it's all fruit from the same tree.

00:45:20.000 It's all the product of generational affluence.

00:45:23.000 And you see this in families, most obviously.

00:45:26.000 There's the innovator, the hard worker, the bootstrap guy who creates the business, makes the family fortune, and then the family becomes successively less.

00:45:35.000 Impressive with every generation.

00:45:37.000 And I have to say, since you invited it, you asked me to analyze you and your family.

00:45:41.000 Looking back, the best thing that ever happened to your family probably was the suffering that you've gone through, the loss of money that you guys have gone through in the last five years.

00:45:50.000 That gives you purpose and gives you meaning and sharpens you and makes you live a purposeful life because you have no choice. 0.99

00:45:57.000 If that doesn't happen, if you just live off trust disbursements every month, and I've seen this, frankly, in my own family, but I've seen it in many other families, You become contemptible and you become weak and silly and ridiculous and you don't even know it. 0.98

00:46:13.000 And in the end, you become self-destructive. 0.98

00:46:15.000 And that is the story of rich families.

00:46:17.000 The fourth generation is always killing themselves. 1.00

00:46:19.000 You know what I mean? With alcoholism or whatever, literally shooting themselves. 0.89

00:46:22.000 So that's true in countries as well. 0.56

00:46:25.000 And so if you have, you know, 80 years of uninterrupted economic growth and prosperity, which is the story of America after 1945, Then, of course, you're going to get to a place where the entire ruling class is so decadent and silly and can't see themselves clearly enough to know that, that it's going to come tumbling down.

00:46:43.000 I mean, it's that strong men make good times aphorism is actually real.

00:46:49.000 And I'm just sorry that my children have to live in the middle of it.

00:46:52.000 I kind of like the world I grew up in.

00:46:54.000 Well, you broke out of it.

00:46:55.000 I mean, you and I are that way as well, right?

00:46:57.000 You grew up in a—you had—your father was like an ambassador and high up in the government and did these things.

00:47:02.000 You grew up in a D.C. sort of environment around that, just like I grew up—you know, I'm supposed to go to Penn and, you know, graduate from Wharton and be a liberal in New York City, go to the rich people parties, and yet— I mean, I guess we sort of both broke out of that.

00:47:16.000 We had personas that were very different than that in our real lives.

00:47:20.000 You know, what made you sort of go counterculture to sort of, you know, your predetermined destiny that, you know, that should have happened and sort of engulfs 95% of probably the kids that we grew up with?

00:47:32.000 Well, I mean, two things.

00:47:33.000 One was just temperamental, like I'm just too arrogant or something.

00:47:36.000 I just didn't want to have to repeat the slogans.

00:47:39.000 I want to say what I think is true.

00:47:41.000 I don't have to say everything I think is true. 0.99

00:47:42.000 I don't have the need to, like, spill all my thoughts, some of which are stupid and crazy, probably. 0.98

00:47:46.000 But I didn't want to have to repeat someone else's bumper sticker. 0.98

00:47:50.000 And, like, over time, I just wouldn't.

00:47:51.000 I'm not doing that. Okay, so that was the first thing.

00:47:53.000 And the second thing, which is even more transformative, is I realized that the world that these people were aspiring to or occupying wasn't that great, actually.

00:48:04.000 Highly overrated. It's so overrated.

00:48:07.000 How much room service can you eat?

00:48:09.000 How many weeks can you spend in St.

00:48:11.000 Bart's? Is flying private really that awesome?

00:48:14.000 It's fine. It's not that great, actually.

00:48:17.000 And what I really loved...

00:48:19.000 Speaking for myself, was nature.

00:48:21.000 I mean this from my heart.

00:48:23.000 I would be a lot happier in a cabin, which I have, with no electricity or running water, than I would be at the Four Seasons fill-in-the-blank exotic destination.

00:48:32.000 I just really felt that way.

00:48:33.000 I appreciated the beauty of the natural world far more than I appreciated the trappings of wealth.

00:48:40.000 And so you realize the thing that everybody wants in the end You know, it's better than grinding poverty.

00:48:46.000 It's better than being in debt, I think, of course.

00:48:49.000 But it's not that great, and it's not salvation.

00:48:52.000 And for me, what really was salvation, this sounds cheesy, but I really mean it, was to be like fishing with my kids on a stream with no one else around.

00:49:00.000 Like, that was the highest level for me.

00:49:02.000 And remains, or bird hunting with my dogs, who I really, really love, and I see my dogs working in this weird ballet in the quail field, and I'm like, I don't think I've ever been happier.

00:49:10.000 So once you decide that that's what you want, Then none of this other shit means anything at all.

00:49:15.000 It's like, what are you going to give me to obey? 0.95

00:49:17.000 I don't want what you have, actually.

00:49:19.000 And I mean it. That resonates so much with me, because that was like, you know, in 15, they're like, you know, they stuck me sort of out in the political field.

00:49:25.000 You know, I'm an IOI. I don't even know what a caucus is.

00:49:28.000 And they're like, well, how are you doing well with regular people?

00:49:30.000 It's like... Well, you know, contrary to popular belief, I'm not on, like, the rubber chicken dinner circuit in New York.

00:49:36.000 Like, on Friday afternoon, I'm on my farm in Pennsylvania.

00:49:38.000 Like, my friends were just regular blue-collar guys.

00:49:42.000 So it wasn't like, I'm telling them what they want to hear.

00:49:45.000 These are actually my friends.

00:49:46.000 And that's what was so disappointing about...

00:49:48.000 Perhaps the disappointing part of the political process was figuring out, like, the people chosen to represent these people that live in their neighborhoods, whether it's Congress or otherwise...

00:49:59.000 They were incapable of talking to their neighbors and like the son of a billionaire from New York somehow had it figured out simply because he actually spent time there.

00:50:06.000 And that created a whole new level of cynicism that really created a rage which probably makes me fight the way I do as well.

00:50:13.000 Well, I think you have a huge advantage, and I feel this way to some extent.

00:50:17.000 If you're not insecure about your social status, if you're not trying to get super rich or get the accolades, if you've already kind of seen that a little bit and decided it's not that great, then they don't have a leash on you, actually, at that point.

00:50:30.000 Again, I want to be clear. I don't want to be in debt again.

00:50:34.000 I have been. I don't want that.

00:50:36.000 I don't want to be poor, actually, but I'm not that afraid of it.

00:50:40.000 And I know that I don't want whatever they have to give as a prize for obedience.

00:50:46.000 I'm just not interested.

00:50:48.000 And that's a huge advantage.

00:50:50.000 And I think, honestly, your father has that as well.

00:50:53.000 I mean, the true reformers are not coming from the bottom up.

00:50:58.000 They're coming from the top down because they know how the system works.

00:51:01.000 They're not that impressed by it.

00:51:03.000 They know who's fake and who's not.

00:51:06.000 And they know in the end the prize isn't worth having.

00:51:09.000 Yeah. So, you know, as you talk about this, I mean, it sort of feels like we see a lot of that in news coverage, right?

00:51:15.000 How different do you think our news would be?

00:51:18.000 And I think this is something you're trying to do.

00:51:20.000 It certainly is something, you know, I'm trying to do, just having these conversations, getting it out there in a different way.

00:51:24.000 If all of the major networks weren't simply, you know, clustered in New York and D.C. I mean, we talk about those bubbles, but, you know, what would it be like if those guys were actually sort of spread out throughout the country?

00:51:37.000 I think it might make a difference, but the main thing that would make a difference is the people in the business, because they determine what the institution is like.

00:51:45.000 I mean, an institution is just a bunch of people with a common purpose.

00:51:48.000 And in the news business, the two qualities that I look for, well, really three.

00:51:53.000 First is honesty. You have to be honest, period, okay, in your personal life as well as your professional life.

00:51:58.000 Second, you have to be curious.

00:52:00.000 You really have to wonder, like, well, wait a second, what was that?

00:52:03.000 And the beauty of being in nature is that it inspires your curiosity.

00:52:09.000 Like, how do I catch the trout?

00:52:10.000 How do I find the quail? Whatever.

00:52:12.000 Like, you're trained to be interested in the things around you, okay?

00:52:15.000 Journalists have to have that quality.

00:52:16.000 And the third quality is you cannot be impressed.

00:52:19.000 By power or rank or merit badge.

00:52:23.000 If you're talking to someone who's got authority over you and he's got some title, whether it's general or ambassador or president or whatever, if you instinctively genuflect before that, if you bow before him just by your nature, this is not the business for you.

00:52:37.000 You have to remember, I'm a free man, I'm a citizen, I'm a moral equal to the person I'm interviewing.

00:52:43.000 I'm not hostile necessarily, but I'm approaching him as an equal, as a peer.

00:52:47.000 You may have been elected, you may run the Pacific Fleet or whatever, but I'm an American too.

00:52:52.000 And I respectfully demand an answer on behalf of my fellow Americans.

00:52:56.000 You have to have that attitude. And if inside you're a bitch, if you're a beta, if you're subordinate in your heart, And you're like, well, I can't ask the general that question. 0.98

00:53:05.000 You know, he's got an aircraft carrier, or he's got a division, and I don't. 0.99

00:53:09.000 Yeah, then...

00:53:12.000 You're not right for this job at all.

00:53:14.000 Then go be his aide.

00:53:15.000 Go be his coffee bearer.

00:53:17.000 But you can't be a journalist.

00:53:19.000 And those three qualities are totally absent in our media.

00:53:22.000 It's not that they're not smart enough.

00:53:23.000 They all went to Cornell.

00:53:25.000 I think that's technically an Ivy League school or was anyway at one point.

00:53:29.000 But no, they're smart enough, but they don't have the temperamental qualities.

00:53:33.000 They're all socially anxious and insecure.

00:53:35.000 They want to be accepted by the people they interview.

00:53:38.000 They looked at 2016 as an anomaly.

00:53:42.000 They weren't willing to do a post-mortem of maybe there's something wrong with the way we're looking at things, or maybe we're not looking at things at all.

00:53:48.000 And I think that goes across the board.

00:53:51.000 I mean, you recently said, you know, America became a fundamentally different country the moment that Mar-a-Lago got raided.

00:53:57.000 You know, both... In the media, there was silence in law enforcement.

00:54:01.000 Everyone, oh, this is totally normal.

00:54:03.000 Can you expand on that?

00:54:04.000 Because I do think you're right. That was a sort of a turning point in discourse.

00:54:08.000 But it was also a sort of a flipping of a switch, I think, for a lot of Americans who are finally realizing that everything that they've been told about their country, everything that they've been told they must believe or they're not a patriot, so much of that is based on a total lie at this point.

00:54:25.000 I completely agree.

00:54:27.000 I mean, that was the moment that changed my view of everything.

00:54:30.000 And I happened to be out of the country when that happened with my kids.

00:54:33.000 I used to get a week in the summer and a week at Christmas.

00:54:35.000 I was in Mongolia.

00:54:39.000 I'm not going to tell you where I was, but I was with my kids in a totally isolated place.

00:54:45.000 And My son works in politics, so I've been talking.

00:54:48.000 He's very smart. So I've been talking to my son about this stuff and like, what's going to happen?

00:54:52.000 Is Trump really going to run?

00:54:53.000 Is that real? I'm asking him.

00:54:55.000 And I don't know if...

00:54:56.000 I mean, I don't know. The next day, he comes to me and he's reading on his phone.

00:55:01.000 He's like, they just did this at Mar-a-Lago.

00:55:02.000 And I said...

00:55:06.000 This is the thing that will actually destroy the country.

00:55:08.000 You want to end democracy? All this pearl clutching about democracy?

00:55:12.000 Democracy! If you want to end democracy, this is what you do.

00:55:15.000 And of course, because we're from Washington, and my dad worked in government, I've been around it my whole life, I understand the classification system, and I know what a scam it is.

00:55:24.000 Over a billion classified documents.

00:55:26.000 So it's not a democracy by definition.

00:55:28.000 If you can't see what your government is doing, you're not really in charge of your government, are you?

00:55:31.000 No, of course not. And so the fact that they got them on a classification charge was so mind-boggling to me because I know how it works very, very well.

00:55:40.000 I was just stunned.

00:55:42.000 And my first thought was, and I happen to like Trump, as you know, and I agree with him on 90% of his views on things, so I'm aligned already ideologically.

00:55:52.000 But even if I weren't, I mean, if he was saying things that I really didn't like, I'd still...

00:55:56.000 In fact, even if I hated him, which I don't, but I would still be like, no, you can't have that.

00:56:02.000 My kids live here. My grandkids are going to live here.

00:56:05.000 We want to live here anyway.

00:56:06.000 We have nowhere else to go. You can't wreck our system.

00:56:09.000 You didn't create it. My family's been here hundreds of years, so I kind of feel like, sorry to say it, but a little bit of ownership of it.

00:56:15.000 No, this is our country. Stop that.

00:56:16.000 You can't do that. And we will end the country if we don't have free and fair elections and a fair justice system.

00:56:23.000 Those are the two prerequisites.

00:56:24.000 Above all else, that's why people come here.

00:56:26.000 It's not for our financial system and all the Wall Street jerk-offs to compliment themselves.

00:56:31.000 People come here for a banking system.

00:56:33.000 No, they don't. There are lots of banking systems.

00:56:35.000 They come here because of the rule of law and the fact that there's a peaceful transition of power.

00:56:39.000 And the only reason it's peaceful is because the population, by and large, thinks it's fair.

00:56:43.000 So it is actually a system that the whole population buys into.

00:56:48.000 That's why it's enduring. That's why we don't have revolutions.

00:56:50.000 And the second you end that, we will have a revolution.

00:56:52.000 Maybe not now, but at some point.

00:56:54.000 If you take people's power away entirely, no economic power, no political power, they will revolt.

00:56:59.000 So you can either put them all in concentration camps or you can prepare to be overthrown.

00:57:03.000 That really is the story of history.

00:57:05.000 But they seem to be trying to do that right now, right?

00:57:08.000 If you look at the January 6th treatment relative to the Summer of Love riot treatment.

00:57:12.000 Yes. Democrats are always out there shouting about protecting democracy and norms, but they're out there also trying to imprison their political opponents.

00:57:20.000 They're trying to censor everyone that they disagree with.

00:57:23.000 What is it with the left and projection?

00:57:28.000 Well, I mean, that's...

00:57:29.000 I've thought an awful lot about this, and I'm slow to pick up on anything.

00:57:33.000 I mean, it takes me forever to know anything.

00:57:37.000 Like, the obvious often eludes me. 0.98

00:57:39.000 One of my favorite employees is gay.

00:57:41.000 And I love him, and we've worked at it for all these years.

00:57:44.000 I had no idea he was gay for, like, three months.

00:57:45.000 And I said to someone else, is he gay?

00:57:47.000 Yeah, he's married. Because who cares? 0.85

00:57:49.000 Yeah. Only the left actually cares, right?

00:57:52.000 They pretend that you're not supposed to care, but...

00:57:54.000 I miss all of it. If you don't care, that's a problem.

00:57:56.000 The stuff that's so obvious.

00:57:57.000 Exactly. But the point is, this started to happen and I didn't get it at first.

00:58:03.000 I was like, wait, what they're saying is not simply false.

00:58:06.000 It is the exact opposite.

00:58:08.000 It's the mirror image.

00:58:10.000 It's the inverse of the truth.

00:58:12.000 And not only that, they're accusing me of doing exactly what they are doing.

00:58:17.000 And what is that?

00:58:19.000 And I've decided after many years of watching this that it's evil.

00:58:22.000 That's not dishonesty in the way that normal people lie.

00:58:25.000 That's like a true deception.

00:58:28.000 Like you were serving not just the individual lie, but the concept and the force of evil when you do that.

00:58:33.000 I mean, that's like really super dark.

00:58:36.000 And that has awakened in me the sense that something else bigger than politics is going on here.

00:58:41.000 And of course, I'm the last person to really know what it is.

00:58:44.000 I've been an Episcopalian my whole life, but I am totally convinced That something bigger than politics is afoot, not just in this country, but across the West.

00:58:53.000 And it makes me feel like I'm not sitting this out, and I am not, to the extent I have any control over anything, very limited, but for my part, I'm not going to stop yelping about this prosecution of the presidential frontrunner, because if that is allowed to happen, we're done. We're done.

00:59:12.000 No more elections after that.

00:59:14.000 They're not even pretending anymore.

00:59:17.000 I know that you don't drink and you've been sober for quite some time right now.

00:59:22.000 What has sobriety taught you?

00:59:24.000 Do you view the world differently from that perspective?

00:59:29.000 Should more people try that out?

00:59:31.000 What are your thoughts on that? It feels like a big one.

00:59:33.000 It's something I've dealt with myself.

00:59:35.000 I think it's the key.

00:59:37.000 And I didn't understand it again, just to say for the third time, it takes me a long

00:59:40.000 time to understand things.

00:59:42.000 So I got sober because I had no choice because I was drinking in the morning and just I would

00:59:46.000 have destroyed my life.

00:59:47.000 So I quit 21 years ago.

00:59:49.000 And the immediate, I know you know this feeling, is waking up on Sunday feeling okay and not

00:59:54.000 hung over and not worried about what you did and all that stuff.

00:59:56.000 That's like an amazing experience.

00:59:58.000 But it took me a long time to understand that's not the real benefit.

01:00:02.000 The real benefit of being sober all the time is that it makes you strong.

01:00:07.000 You're much less afraid.

01:00:08.000 The second you get loaded, you're afraid.

01:00:10.000 There's something about being impaired that makes you fearful and protective. 0.99

01:00:16.000 But when you live for a while totally exposed to the world with no kind of shield of drugs

01:00:21.000 or alcohol to protect you, you become a lot stronger inside, a lot stronger, a lot harder

01:00:28.000 to rattle, a lot harder to intimidate.

01:00:31.000 You become a lot tougher as a person in a really good way.

01:00:35.000 Not in a mean way, but in a real way.

01:00:37.000 Like, yeah, I'm not afraid of you anymore.

01:00:39.000 And I do think that's the key.

01:00:41.000 I think it's the reason that the U.S. government, as a matter of policy, pushes people to be loaded.

01:00:47.000 Yeah, what do you think about weed with that?

01:00:49.000 You can't walk around a major city in New York without just literally smelling weed all over the place.

01:00:54.000 Is it the same?

01:00:58.000 They hate cigarettes, but they love weed.

01:01:01.000 By the way, just to be clear, I don't think we should haul people off to prison for firing up a bomb in their living room.

01:01:06.000 I don't. Of course not.

01:01:07.000 However, the government is affirmatively pushing weed on the population.

01:01:11.000 Now, why are they doing that? To weaken them, obviously.

01:01:14.000 Yeah. It doesn't make you stronger.

01:01:15.000 It makes you weaker. Of course.

01:01:16.000 That's why they closed the gyms during COVID, but kept the weed dispensaries open.

01:01:20.000 Physical fitness is white supremacy, Tucker.

01:01:22.000 I mean, if you're in shape, if you can run a six-minute mile, if you can do a couple pull-ups and you actually strive to do that, that's not just, you know, perseverance or basic, you know, common health benefit.

01:01:33.000 That's actually white supremacy these days.

01:01:35.000 And they sold that to us hard.

01:01:36.000 I mean, Starbucks will remain open.

01:01:38.000 Walmart and junk food places will remain open.

01:01:41.000 But we're going to close your gym.

01:01:43.000 It's totally true. And feed you garbage, poison food, which is also true. 0.99

01:01:47.000 I mean, I'm not digging into my boring life, but that's been one of the things that's taken me the longest to understand since I have such bad eating habits and such low taste in food. 0.99

01:01:56.000 Even though I grew up in a rich world, I love white trash food. 1.00

01:02:00.000 And it's actually poison, and it makes you weak. 1.00

01:02:03.000 Not just fat. It obviously makes you fat, which is bad, I guess.

01:02:05.000 I don't even care about fat, however.

01:02:07.000 What I care about is...

01:02:09.000 You know, a person's spiritual condition.

01:02:11.000 Are you strong? And that stuff makes you weak.

01:02:15.000 And so does sitting around and so does smoking weed.

01:02:17.000 And then the whole just world of pharmacology that they're pushing on people, the SSRIs, the benzodiazepines.

01:02:25.000 All of that weakens you, and they're weakening you for a reason, which is to make you more obedient and easier to control.

01:02:32.000 They don't want free citizens who think for themselves.

01:02:34.000 That's the thing they don't want.

01:02:36.000 And anyone who's like that, they immediately call a white supremacist.

01:02:38.000 By the way, other than Trump, who remains very strong...

01:02:42.000 Despite eating a diet of McDonald's and KFC. He's the one guy that can pull off, like, you know, he literally knows every item on the menu.

01:02:51.000 People are like, no, that's not real.

01:02:52.000 I'm like, dude, you're like, I've literally driven through the drive-thru in the presidential motorcade of a McDonald's.

01:02:58.000 I promise you, he knows everything there is to know about it.

01:03:01.000 I love that.

01:03:02.000 I was coming back from hunting, you know, super early in the morning, coming back at like 11 and, you know, I've had too much coffee.

01:03:08.000 My stomach's growling. This was a couple of years ago.

01:03:10.000 I don't eat McDonald's at all.

01:03:12.000 And I was like, oh, McDonald's, you know, I'll get a McDonald's.

01:03:14.000 And I had the breakfast thing, which was like delicious.

01:03:17.000 It was like a head injury for the rest of the day.

01:03:19.000 It was unbelievable. It kicked your butt. 0.99

01:03:21.000 Sausage and cheese biscuit is incredible, but like it'll... 0.99

01:03:24.000 That's what I had. You pay for it forever.

01:03:27.000 It's insane. And the fact that he can just like wolf down a quarter pounder and, you know, a Milky Way and keep talking, you know, it's like he's obviously got a very unusual constitution.

01:03:37.000 But for most of us, that stuff makes you weaker and easier to control.

01:03:42.000 And like, I don't last thing I'll say is I don't understand why we don't see that and why we don't understand the implications.

01:03:48.000 If you treated your children like the U.S. government treats its citizens, your kids should be in rehab.

01:03:56.000 They'd be moving towards suicide.

01:03:58.000 We are intentionally mistreating and weakening the population, making them more dependent, more self-loathing, less physically healthy.

01:04:08.000 It's absolutely crazy.

01:04:10.000 Again, if you did that to your kids, they would be destroyed, and yet they're doing it to us.

01:04:15.000 And so what does that tell you? They hate us.

01:04:17.000 That's what it tells you. There's no other possible interpretation.

01:04:20.000 You're right. There's no other plausible even answer at this point.

01:04:23.000 It's so flagrant. It's so obvious.

01:04:24.000 But I think maybe with all things Trump derangement syndrome, I do think that people are figuring that out.

01:04:29.000 I mean, that's a big meme. They're talking about the physical fitness.

01:04:32.000 We joke about these things, but people are starting to get it.

01:04:36.000 There's a big push. And the attacks from the government and from the left radicalizing someone who actually just wants to eat healthy and calling them all sorts of names, I think it's backfiring because it's so ludicrous There's no justification for it.

01:04:51.000 I think people are waking up to it, albeit slowly.

01:04:55.000 But yeah, I agree with that.

01:04:57.000 But I think we haven't spent enough time thinking about motive here.

01:05:00.000 I mean, one of my kids, for example, I've never lifted a weight in my life.

01:05:04.000 I grew up in a world, you know, where everyone smokes cigarettes, including us at the breakfast table in, you know, eighth grade.

01:05:10.000 So like, that's a whole different way of thinking to me.

01:05:12.000 But one of my children, you know, decided to get into, well, all my kids are into physical fitness, but one of them really kind of got into it.

01:05:18.000 And I was like, I have no idea what that is.

01:05:20.000 I don't have a weight set.

01:05:22.000 I don't know anything about that stuff. But I instantly liked it because I recognized, you know, first of all, I love this child more than my own life, and this is a good thing, and so I'm really happy for him.

01:05:32.000 The government has the opposite reaction, and so does the media.

01:05:36.000 They're angry if you try to become a better, stronger, more independent, happier person.

01:05:41.000 That tells you what. 1.00

01:05:43.000 They hate you and want to kill you. 0.99

01:05:47.000 I don't think I'm overstating even a little bit. 1.00

01:05:50.000 Think about that. The people with all the power want you to die?

01:05:54.000 I mean, whoa!

01:05:55.000 We're in a brand new world.

01:05:57.000 I mean, we need to think about the implications of this for a minute.

01:05:59.000 Yeah, I've been saying lately to basically everyone, like, whatever disdain you have for the government, and after what they tried to do to me and continue to try to do to my family, I have a lot.

01:06:08.000 It's not enough.

01:06:10.000 There's no amount at this point that we...

01:06:12.000 And so hopefully we change that.

01:06:14.000 But, you know, Tucker, if you could ask God one question before you die, what would it be?

01:06:21.000 Oh, I ask a lot of questions of God every day.

01:06:24.000 It's good. I think we could all use a little bit more of that too, which is another reason they're trying to get rid of that.

01:06:30.000 Oh, every day.

01:06:31.000 And again, I come from a completely secular background, but I mean, it's just like you have no choice but to realize that it's real. 1.00

01:06:38.000 If you think the only things that are real are the things you can see, you're an idiot. 1.00

01:06:42.000 That stuff is as real as the coffee mug on my desk. 1.00

01:06:44.000 It's entirely real. But what question would I ask if I had one...

01:06:49.000 You know, I don't know that I would ask a question.

01:06:51.000 I mean, I'm completely convinced that when we die, you know, all these mysteries will be known to us.

01:06:57.000 So I'm certain of that.

01:06:58.000 For some reason, I know that that's true.

01:07:00.000 And there's so much, you know, I'm not sure I want to know any more than I know, if I'm being totally honest with you.

01:07:06.000 I'm always struck by...

01:07:07.000 I'm reading the Bible and I'm not doing any Bible study.

01:07:10.000 I don't trust anyone to interpret it for me.

01:07:11.000 I just want to read it and see what it says. And I was really struck by the Adam and Eve story.

01:07:15.000 So God punishes...

01:07:16.000 He tells Adam and Eve, there's only one thing you can't do.

01:07:18.000 You can't eat from this tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

01:07:20.000 They do. Famously, they're punished.

01:07:22.000 But it's like, wait. God is punishing them for knowing too much.

01:07:25.000 I never thought of that. It's like the mirror image of what we tell ourselves.

01:07:28.000 That ignorance is the real crime.

01:07:31.000 You know? Ignorance is the crime.

01:07:32.000 No, actually, in the Hebrew Bible, knowledge was the crime.

01:07:37.000 Interesting. They got ticked out of the garden for knowing too much.

01:07:40.000 And I do feel the UFO thing has kind of convinced me of this.

01:07:43.000 I learned a lot about that.

01:07:45.000 Too much. So much that I actually don't want to talk about it.

01:07:48.000 And I think it's real. I mean, the things that I learned are real.

01:07:52.000 And I've spent my whole life bringing information to people.

01:07:55.000 And I think that's virtuous. And I'll continue to do it.

01:07:57.000 But there is a point at which you're like, well, what do I do with that?

01:08:00.000 You know, it's not just that UFOs are real.

01:08:02.000 real, obviously they're real, but there's a lot more to it.

01:08:05.000 And it's like, what do I do with that?

01:08:07.000 I don't know.

01:08:08.000 And I kind of wish I didn't know.

01:08:10.000 I'm just being honest with you.

01:08:11.000 Probably too honest.

01:08:11.000 Well, why is that taken so, you know, obviously it's, I mean, you just, I mean,

01:08:14.000 just play, play statistics out over the, you know, the course of the size of the

01:08:18.000 universe.

01:08:18.000 Of course, there's gotta be something out there, right?

01:08:20.000 And, and yet why does it seem like now all of a sudden, uh, is that just another

01:08:25.000 shiny object, uh, from the government to distract people from what's really going

01:08:29.000 from all of the things they're trying to do and or take from us.

01:08:34.000 What's your perspective on how that all of a sudden magically is now actually getting credence?

01:08:38.000 There's sort of tacit acknowledgement even from the government itself.

01:08:42.000 Is there more to it than that?

01:08:45.000 That was my first suspicion.

01:08:46.000 And by the way, I think most things are distractions, of course.

01:08:50.000 I mean, I think the amount of emotional energy Americans spend on conflicts in countries they can't find on maps, and you're seeing that a lot now, that is mostly really a PSYOP designed to We're being invaded, but no one seems to even acknowledge it.

01:09:09.000 So there's that. And yes, and I think UFOs have been used a bunch of different times over the past 80 years as a distraction or whatever.

01:09:16.000 But right now, I happen to know for a fact that there's a lot of information.

01:09:20.000 Everyone knows that the U.S. government has these objects and has the, quote, biologics, whatever these beings were that were flying them, and has them, and they're in the warehouse of a defense contractor, and that's known, and 10 whistleblowers have attested to that.

01:09:34.000 People can deal with it.

01:09:36.000 People don't even seem to be thinking about it.

01:09:37.000 It's like, yeah, whatever, okay, that's real. That's not the story, actually.

01:09:42.000 And no, they're not from another galaxy.

01:09:44.000 They're from here. And what is that?

01:09:47.000 And yes, the U.S. government's been in contact with them for a long time, and there's a lot of other stuff there that they really are trying to suppress, I happen to know, in meaningful ways.

01:09:58.000 And what is that?

01:10:00.000 And the truth is, I'm not exactly sure What this is, but some of the things that I believe are true, and based on actual evidence, are, you know, to the point where you're like, I'm not really sure what's real anymore.

01:10:14.000 And so maybe it's not fruitful to focus on that stuff.

01:10:18.000 I mean that. Like, okay, so we know, and I speak for myself, I believe certain things are true, okay?

01:10:24.000 Because I've been... I've looked into it fairly aggressively.

01:10:27.000 And at the end of that search, I'm like, okay, well, that affects my sleep.

01:10:32.000 Nothing affects my sleep, by the way.

01:10:33.000 That affected my sleep.

01:10:35.000 What do I do with this? I'm in a cul-de-sac.

01:10:39.000 I don't really know. So am I happy that I know this stuff?

01:10:41.000 Not really. So I don't, you know, whatever.

01:10:44.000 I'm not sure what I'm trying to say, but that's where I am on it.

01:10:46.000 So, you know, talk about what you're trying to do right now with the media company.

01:10:51.000 How did your perspective sort of change?

01:10:53.000 I mean, we're talking about speaking truth and talking about facts.

01:10:56.000 It seems like you started actually speaking truth to power, something everyone keeps talking about.

01:11:01.000 But, you know, then whatever went on with Fox News happened.

01:11:04.000 Now you're trying to do something different.

01:11:05.000 I mean, I think Americans are watching the cable news format as being fundamentally broken, right?

01:11:11.000 There's two different sides, but really it's all about power.

01:11:14.000 There's one side, it's the uni party that you so often sort of refer to.

01:11:19.000 What are you trying to do that's different?

01:11:21.000 Is it about long form?

01:11:23.000 I mean, a conversation like this, and I've been on your show back on the Fox days numerous times, and how many sound bites can I get out in the three minutes that I have to get it out there?

01:11:31.000 How broken is that system?

01:11:34.000 And what are you trying to do differently to actually have that intelligent conversation where you can get beyond that, again, the soundbite that's repeated every hour on the hour, 24 hours a day, regardless of sort of which channel you're watching.

01:11:46.000 And, you know, if someone watches seven minutes of news these days, I feel like they got it all covered because no one else is saying anything different.

01:11:54.000 First of all, let me just say you are a natural long-form guy, and so I bet you're enjoying the hell out of this because it obviously comes naturally to you. 0.99

01:12:01.000 It's way more fun than doing those stupid TV hits. 0.95

01:12:04.000 I've been on both sides of that for my whole life, and it's totally fruitless. 0.98

01:12:08.000 I don't think it moves the ball at all, and it doesn't make you feel good.

01:12:11.000 It's like prostitution. Maybe you get short-term pay, but it doesn't make you feel good about it.

01:12:14.000 Please tell me your corporately sponsored talking points and then we'll go to the next person who's going to do exactly the same thing for an hour and then we all accomplish nothing and move on.

01:12:25.000 That's exactly right.

01:12:26.000 It's just it's an electric windmill.

01:12:28.000 It's a treadmill. It doesn't help anybody.

01:12:29.000 But I, you know, look, clearly things are changing.

01:12:33.000 And it's just partly because of technology, partly because I think most media organizations have so discredited themselves that their core product has no value anymore because no one believes it.

01:12:43.000 OK, so it's time for a new thing.

01:12:45.000 I think forms like this are hugely important.

01:12:48.000 The podcast world defines what people think.

01:12:52.000 When I was a kid, it was magazines.

01:12:53.000 People read small magazines to know what the cutting edge of thinking about something was.

01:12:57.000 That's all gone, of course.

01:12:58.000 It's been replaced by podcasts, which is so cool to see and a much more honest way of communicating.

01:13:03.000 But there's also this hole where, like, a news organization should be.

01:13:07.000 So, like, there are so many things going on right now simultaneously.

01:13:09.000 Who's keeping track of all this stuff?

01:13:11.000 And you really need to have employees send them out to bring people, like, news about how their world is changing.

01:13:20.000 It's changing so fast, it's like, it bewilders me, and I do this for a living.

01:13:24.000 So that's what we're building.

01:13:26.000 We're building an alternative to existing news organizations.

01:13:30.000 We're using X a lot to promote it and as a forum because it's an amazing forum.

01:13:36.000 Our site is tuckercarlson.com and there's where we have the meat of it.

01:13:41.000 It's a subscription service for a We could just do ad-based and make enough money.

01:13:46.000 We don't trust advertisers, no offense.

01:13:48.000 Love advertisers, but I've been through this for decades.

01:13:50.000 I know what it looks like. You're at their mercy.

01:13:52.000 And I don't want that.

01:13:53.000 So it has to be a subscription service, hopefully not very expensive, certainly less expensive than a cable subscription, but it can't be influenced.

01:14:02.000 It's free. There are no gatekeepers.

01:14:04.000 It's honest. It can remain honest.

01:14:07.000 And you can't knock it down.

01:14:08.000 You know, Media Matters or Sleeping Giants or Southern Poverty Law Center, all these Soros censorship organizations can't touch a service that has no advertisers.

01:14:18.000 So that's what we're building.

01:14:20.000 And that's all coming out right now, right?

01:14:21.000 There's the lawsuit that X has, you know, there's the lawsuit that Rumble has, and it's like, you know, someone's clicking on a link so that they can find a, you know, an off-color video on a free speech platform, and then they keep clicking the link so the ad finally shows up, and then they're like, oh, screenshot!

01:14:36.000 This company is advertising on a racist thing.

01:14:38.000 It's like, oh my god, it's so crazy.

01:14:41.000 It's been so manipulated.

01:14:43.000 It's so just, you know...

01:14:45.000 Algorithmic, but, you know, also predictable, watching everything from the left, but it's truly scary.

01:14:49.000 So I love that you sort of get to that point where you are then beyond reproach.

01:14:54.000 Well, I love that. I mean, you need, especially over the next 12 months, you need to protect yourself.

01:15:00.000 I mean, it's the equivalent of, like, I'm sure every single person watching has had a moment in the last year where he's like, you know, I probably should buy some canned food for my basement.

01:15:08.000 I mean, like, all of us can feel that turmoil is ahead, and I hope it's not as bad as I feel like it's going to be.

01:15:14.000 I really pray that. However, everybody feels this need to kind of, like, make sure you got everything in a pile because it could get...

01:15:22.000 You know, it could get real.

01:15:23.000 And that's how I feel about news.

01:15:26.000 It could get real. And so this is a way to protect the news source.

01:15:31.000 Like, no matter what happens, I want to be able to tell people what I think is happening and bring them video of it happening and basically fill the hole, the smoking crater where NBC News and CBS and ABC, the news giants of my youth, used to be.

01:15:47.000 Because they're gone. And they've long been gone, actually.

01:15:49.000 It's all fake. So as a last question, because I know you had a hard out, you know, in his book, You're the Messenger, Roger Ailes, right, back from the Fox days, wrote that if you don't communicate effectively, you won't live as fully as you should, nor will you achieve any personal goals.

01:16:05.000 What makes you the effective communicator that you are, right?

01:16:08.000 You came in, you dominated cable news, you became number one there, you're able to bring that over, you had and have had, maybe even with my father, maybe the most viewed sort of interview in history.

01:16:20.000 You know, what makes you and gave you that ability to effectively communicate?

01:16:24.000 Well, I mean, that's just, you know, I mean, facility with words was like kind of the only gift that I had.

01:16:32.000 I mean, I was left handed, right eye dominant, which totally, you know, it screws you up.

01:16:38.000 It's very unnatural. It's even worse when you're shooting well, by the way.

01:16:40.000 Yeah, it's so trust me.

01:16:42.000 And I I've hunted so much in my life that I can still kill the bird, but it's with a massive disability.

01:16:47.000 I'm super dyslexic.

01:16:48.000 I had all these things that limited me in what I could do really for a living.

01:16:53.000 And the only thing I was sort of natural with was reading and writing because I love to read and I love to write and it just came naturally to me.

01:17:01.000 And so I went into that business, but there are a lot of articulate people in television.

01:17:05.000 I mean, that's like a prerequisite.

01:17:07.000 That's like, you're not going to be in a Miss America pageant unless you're hot.

01:17:09.000 Like that's just kind of the baseline.

01:17:11.000 No, that's wrong, Tucker.

01:17:13.000 That's wrong now.

01:17:14.000 That used to be correct until about 2022. 0.99

01:17:18.000 Now, if you're like the fat dude that goes trans, you'll win Ms. 1.00

01:17:23.000 Universe. It's sort of like if you want to be an admiral today, just check the trans box. 1.00

01:17:27.000 If you check a couple POC boxes, all of a sudden, you too can be an admiral.

01:17:33.000 We'll give you a submarine. You don't have to know anything about submarines.

01:17:36.000 Who cares? You don't have to know how to dive.

01:17:38.000 Just congratulations. You're so right.

01:17:41.000 You're so right. I'm just caught in the past.

01:17:43.000 I almost said, you have to be smart to be president of Harvard.

01:17:47.000 But anyway, that was...

01:17:48.000 But I do think what helped me was just the mental change.

01:17:52.000 I just decided I didn't want to lie, knowingly or unknowingly.

01:17:57.000 Like, the amount of lies that I have repeated without knowing it is just vast and shameful, and I didn't want that to happen to me anymore.

01:18:03.000 And, you know, it still happens to me sometimes.

01:18:05.000 Like, you don't know you're being used, but you are.

01:18:08.000 But now I'm, like, so paranoid about that and so focused on that.

01:18:13.000 Just tell... We're good to go.

01:18:32.000 Well, that makes you so different than all the journalists out there, right?

01:18:35.000 I mean, it feels like literally all of the, you know, the journalists who, you know, democracy dies in darkness, Tucker, you know, they're out there doing the bidding of the Pentagon.

01:18:43.000 It's like, wait a minute, like, is that true?

01:18:46.000 Or did they give you a Pentagon briefing that's designed for a very specific purpose, right?

01:18:51.000 Well, in the Pentagon, I'm so glad you, without getting into names, but I would say the most destructive reporters in the entire American press corps, certainly in Washington, are not the ones who are covering for Joe Biden.

01:19:02.000 You can't cover for a senile man.

01:19:04.000 Everyone knows the truth, it's obvious.

01:19:06.000 They're the ones who are covering for CIA and DOD.

01:19:09.000 And I'm thinking of one in particular, who I know personally, who's really like an agent of evil.

01:19:15.000 It was lying on behalf of these vast secretive bureaucracies that are hurting our country every single day

01:19:21.000 and knowingly doing that.

01:19:23.000 And I just feel like there's an awful lot of that.

01:19:25.000 The number of national security reporters who are honest is like, I don't know any.

01:19:30.000 Maybe on the fringe independent media there are, and thank God.

01:19:33.000 But in the regular media, they're all captive to those bureaucracies.

01:19:39.000 And it's scary.

01:19:41.000 And Americans, and particularly Republicans, have no idea.

01:19:43.000 Republicans are totally on guard for reporters telling them that maybe Joe Biden is not senile. 0.99

01:19:48.000 They're like, oh, you're a liar. Shut up. 1.00

01:19:49.000 But when someone comes out, particularly on a trusted news channel that the right watches and is like, no, the Pentagon reported today that there were gas attacks in Syria, they just believe it. 0.99

01:19:59.000 They totally believe it. They don't know they're being lied to, which is so scary.

01:20:03.000 If you don't do their bidding, all of a sudden your access is out, and then once you don't have that access to them, then...

01:20:09.000 You don't bring anything to the table in DC anymore.

01:20:11.000 So even though it's been proven over and over and over again that they're lying to you,

01:20:15.000 if you're not doing their bidding, it's even worse because you don't have access even to

01:20:19.000 the misinformation that you're being given that you're supposed to run with.

01:20:23.000 Totally true.

01:20:25.000 But at a certain point, you know, you get to an age, and by the way, that's true on all beats, and I've been involved in some of them personally, so I've seen it.

01:20:32.000 But at a certain point, you're like, is it worth it?

01:20:35.000 I'm going to lie?

01:20:36.000 Like, I'm a free man. I'm not a slave.

01:20:38.000 Like, I'm an American. I should tell the truth, and I'm going to be judged on this at some point anyway.

01:20:42.000 So, like, no, I'm not doing that.

01:20:45.000 And yet, they do.

01:20:46.000 And I just couldn't have more contempt for them.

01:20:48.000 I just couldn't. And I don't, you know, whatever, I don't want to say more than that, but I mean, that group of people is really poisonous, and they've really hurt this country, and no one says that, but it's true.

01:21:00.000 Well, that's why I'm glad you're doing what you're doing.

01:21:02.000 I look forward to everyone checking it out.

01:21:04.000 Watch what Tucker's doing. He's one of the few people that's actually willing to have that honest conversation in media these days.

01:21:09.000 And the faster we start having that conversation, the faster other people start adapting that and spreading it out there.

01:21:15.000 I think the faster we can actually make real change.

01:21:17.000 So I really appreciate you doing what you're doing, Tucker, and the friendship as always.

01:21:22.000 So thank you so much.

01:21:23.000 And everyone, check out what he's doing.

01:21:24.000 I think you're going to really enjoy it.

01:21:27.000 Let's go hunting. I'll see you.

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Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - December 15, 2023

Tucker Carlson is the Establishment's Sworn Enemy, Exclusive Interview | TRIGGERED Ep.93

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