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00:05:59.000I know we've sort of discussed this a bunch on the show, but we have Vivek Ramaswamy.
00:06:04.000He ran an, you know, sort of out of nowhere campaign and a strong race that I think really surpassed most expectations for people out there.
00:06:12.000there. So much of the stuff we've talked about on the show is like, hey, you know, I really
00:06:17.000like what we're saying, but where's the history? Where was the past? And so you guys have been
00:06:21.000asking a lot of questions about him. So I want to give him the chance to answer all
00:06:26.000of those. But like I said, I think he exceeded most people's expectations, you know, winning
00:06:30.000almost 8 percent, having never done that before. It was really interesting. And I think he
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00:06:51.000Where'd he go? I didn't know where he was in 16, politically, all these things, but he was out there combating a lot of the nonsense in corporate America.
00:07:01.000I mean his book woke Inc. You know was out you know four or five years ago
00:07:06.000So so he got that which I think you know certainly lends a lot of credibility to everything that he's been saying so
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00:10:54.000I mean, it's been an interesting week.
00:10:56.000I think you actually did some amazing stuff.
00:11:01.000I mean, coming out of sort of nowhere from the political spectrum, taking 8% in Iowa...
00:11:06.000You know, understanding that, you know, given everything that was going on, that was the path for America first was then to endorse Donald Trump.
00:11:14.000But I think you brought a lot of new energy, energy to the game, really, which was kind of awesome.
00:11:19.000Tell me what you felt, what it was like for you doing all that.
00:11:29.000Actually, the funniest part is if you look at second choice, you know, to your father, who people have voted for actually would have been, you know, it was a very different story, but I think it's the right person carrying this forward from here.
00:11:41.000The people have spoken, and so I'm at peace with that.
00:11:46.000I mean, in my background, you and I haven't really spoken at any length before, but my background is from a very different world than this world of politics.
00:12:44.000And I felt like I had a vision to offer.
00:12:45.000I had stepped down from my job as a biotech CEO years before.
00:12:49.000I wrote several books, and you guys, you'll know this well, too, from your experience, I'm sure.
00:12:54.000The process of writing forces you to really examine who you are and what your beliefs are, actually.
00:13:01.000Like, not just what you say as a quip, but what do you actually believe?
00:13:05.000I wrote three books in those two years.
00:13:09.000As I often say, I still believe about 95% of what's in the first one.
00:13:13.000You evolve your own thoughts over those years, especially when you've been steeped in the world of business but have opened your eyes to You know, BLM, for example, after the George Floyd deaths, there was a demand that I make a statement as a biotech CEO, which I refused to do.
00:13:28.000And that set me on this new trajectory that ultimately landed in this presidential race that I'm still, frankly, you know, it was a whirlwind.
00:13:36.000We didn't expect I did not expect necessarily to be getting out that night, but when the results came in, I felt I make my most important decisions I make instinctually.
00:13:45.000And my instinct that night was that that was the right decision.
00:13:48.000And I'm proud of looking back at the last year of what we accomplished in the meantime.
00:13:52.000Yeah, so a lot of the commentary I've gotten, as I told you when we spoke the other day, I was like, hey, listen, I like a lot of what he's saying.
00:13:59.000I love a lot of how he handles the media, that he throws back the facts.
00:14:03.000He's not afraid. So many on our party, we kowtow around reality because they don't want to hear it, but it doesn't mean it's not the truth.
00:14:11.000I think maybe, you know, we come from a similar background.
00:14:14.000You know, I wasn't biotech, but I was a real estate guy.
00:14:16.000So I came from business and I got sort of thrust into politics.
00:14:20.000You know, started writing the books that, you're right, it is a great way of sort of reflecting on what's going on and the stories from the trail and meeting, you know, real Americans who are affected by these disastrous policies, not just from the left or those in charge, but also, again, from sort of the weak people on the right.
00:14:38.000You know, So, you know, I get where you're coming from on some of these things.
00:14:42.000And again, for us, it would have been much easier in life to just be politically agnostic or support the Democrats.
00:14:50.000But you did start seeing it in business.
00:14:52.000You wrote a book a couple years ago with Woke Inc.
00:14:55.000You started seeing how it was infecting business.
00:14:58.000You probably experienced that as a CEO, certainly in biotech.
00:15:01.000That's, you know, definitely... Oh, yeah.
00:15:03.000Let's just say not just left-leaning, but left, like, falling over already.
00:15:07.000You know, how did that evolution get you to start, you know, writing about it, calling it out?
00:15:12.000Because, again, like there's a consequence of being a vocal conservative in business, calling out even just the wokeness within corporate America started doing that.
00:15:21.000And did that change a lot of your views, you know, as it related to politics beyond just sort of the woke virus situation?
00:15:28.000It did. Yeah, that was sort of where I started my entry ramp into this world that we're in.
00:15:34.000So I had, you know, overseen the development of a number of medicines.
00:15:37.000Five of them are FDA approved products today.
00:15:39.000We could have developed every one of them, by the way, for a tiny fraction of the cost if the FDA had not been as onerous because of pharma lobbying.
00:15:49.000But anyway, I was overseeing the development of medicines.
00:15:51.000One of them is a life-saving therapy in kids.
00:15:54.000One day, George Floyd dies, and then suddenly there's a demand that every CEO, tech CEO, biotech CEO, etc., make a statement on behalf of BLM, make some donations, and I refused to do it.
00:16:05.000And there was a, turns out, tremendous...
00:16:08.000Social and even business cost associated with that.
00:16:11.000Number of advisors to the company resigned.
00:16:13.000And I said, you know what? I've got a choice to face.
00:16:15.000I've built a multi-billion dollar company from scratch.
00:16:18.000Thankfully, the company, it would have been a lot tougher, Don, if it were at a place where, say it were even four or five years into the journey where the company could not have stood on its own feet without me.
00:16:29.000The company is a multi-billion dollar business.
00:16:31.000I have a successor lined up, you know, just the year before the company had achieved some major milestones that allowed this to stand on its own feet.
00:16:38.000And I could either stay here and continue to speak my convictions, which to be clear, my convictions were at minimum, the fact that businesses should not be wading into these political issues, which itself back in 2020 was an unacceptable thing to say.
00:16:52.000Keep in mind, things have moved even a little bit in the last three, four years.
00:16:55.000But back when I'm talking about this in 2020, This was an unacceptable viewpoint to hold.
00:17:02.000And so yes, challenging that orthodoxy, saying that in my personal views, I couldn't fathom what BLM was standing for.
00:17:07.000But regardless of what my personal views were, I don't think that this was a job of a biotech CEO to be weighing into complex issues of race and conflict in America.
00:17:29.000And so for me, it would have been the easy thing to do to say, all right, I don't really believe this stuff, but let's just check the box and move on, versus asking the question of what's the point of accumulating all this money and achieving the American dream if you can't even speak your own mind freely.
00:17:43.000And so I ended up stepping aside from my job as a biotech CEO, put the CFO in the CEO role.
00:17:48.000And so I'm going to speak openly about this.
00:17:53.000And that led to the next book, led to the next book after that.
00:17:57.000I started a company, by the way, which you might be familiar with, Don.
00:18:01.000I don't know. Are you familiar with Strive, actually?
00:18:03.000Yeah, I am. So I started Strive, in part, That's what I thought I was going to do.
00:18:09.000I wasn't going to be an author for the long run.
00:18:11.000I'm an entrepreneur at heart. But it took a couple of years to locate where my convictions and passions were.
00:18:17.000And then I thought I landed on my destination, which was driving change through the market.
00:18:21.000And so I started this company called Strive to compete with BlackRock and State Street and Vanguard.
00:18:28.000They were sort of the invisible hand guiding a lot of companies, including biotech companies and tech companies, to behave the way they are.
00:18:35.000You'll be familiar with this. I assume your audience will have some familiarity with it as well, of using retirement money, so pension funds, 401k accounts.
00:18:44.000Probably most of the money of people who are watching us speak right now don't know that their money is indirectly being managed by one of these firms, BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard, Invesco, others like them.
00:18:54.000Pushing that DEI agenda and all the other nonsense.
00:18:59.000And so I've studied this probably in greater depth than you want to go, but we could go into depth of the real problem isn't that they're necessarily buying shares in the woke companies, but not the non-woke ones.
00:19:11.000It's that they're buying shares in all of the companies through index funds, which just own the stock market, which is what goes in a retirement fund portfolio or in an investment account.
00:19:20.000But they vote your shares in corporate America's boardrooms for the DEI policies that result in disastrous outcomes from companies from Coca-Cola to Anheuser-Busch to Boeing.
00:19:30.000And so what I came up with was an alternative company that would offer the same kinds of index funds to own all the companies, woke or not, doesn't matter.
00:19:41.000It's an index fund. Vote for the policies that demand that those companies focus exclusively on profit and exclusively on making their products and services for their customers rather than on these left-wing social agendas.
00:20:01.000And I mean, it's something I've thought about is why don't more shareholders, even small shareholders at Disney and these other companies, actually sue knowing that the decisions are not actually maximizing sort of their profitability, you know, their fiduciary responsibility in there.
00:20:15.000You know, similar to you, you did it from a fund level.
00:20:18.000I've sort of invested on the individual company level where I can help promote and get these companies going as an early investor.
00:20:25.000Early guy and, you know, Public Square and some of the sponsors that I, you know, I'll actually invest in these companies myself because I believe in that message.
00:20:33.000And, you know, we talk about voting with our dollars because if you cut off those funds, when it's one guy going out there politically, hey, they wait them out, they take them out, they spend God knows how much money against them.
00:20:44.000Even if the policies would be better for the companies, they're still voting for the Democrats and pushing money that way.
00:20:50.000It's like watching the United Auto Workers Union, you know, No, we want to get electric vehicles, but we're going to have them sent to China with batteries made in China and send your job and your American dream to China and everything.
00:21:02.000And everyone's like, yay, we get to pay dues to end our existence.
00:21:12.000So let's just double click into this then, because I think that this actually is worth delving into the plumbing of this a little bit.
00:21:21.000Mm-hmm. So, I mean, the funny thing about running for office, I mean, the questions you'll get.
00:21:26.000So then people will say, oh, well, but you started Strive, and Strive owns shares in some of those woke companies.
00:21:33.000Is that, Vivek, really, the things you'll hear in a campaign, man.
00:21:37.000Oh, yeah, trust me. It's eye-opening. That's a whole separate, we could have this discussion.
00:21:42.000And people should be skeptical, but people who have the right emotions need to understand how they're actually being duped to understand what the heck is going on.
00:21:52.000So while it's cool to have new companies in the new economy, most of the largest companies in the world are all behaving in the same way.
00:22:01.000And you need to actually have market exposure to those companies.
00:22:05.000But the problem is the way that your own shares are voted, right?
00:22:09.000So when you're saying vote with your dollars, it's one thing to shop as a customer of, I don't know, Under Armour over Nike or something.
00:22:15.000It's another literally all of the investment fund money you have invested in your pension fund or your 401k account.
00:22:21.000Literally, you get to vote as a shareholder for policies.
00:22:23.000Do you want to vote for Chevron to adopt a Scope 3 emissions plan?
00:22:27.000I don't think so. You want Chevron to vote for maximizing profit.
00:22:29.000Do you want Apple to vote for racial equity audits?
00:22:34.000And these are specific examples at specific companies where Apple adopted racial equity audits.
00:22:38.000It's because BlackRock and State Street and a bunch of asset managers voted for it.
00:22:41.000No, you don't want that because then you get suboptimal products and suboptimal engineers.
00:22:46.000Or do you actually want them to focus on what maximizes value?
00:22:50.000And so the irony, Don, is the reason these companies are all behaving that way is historically the wisdom used to be they're violating their fiduciary duty to shareholders.
00:22:59.000And so to your question, wouldn't you just bring a fiduciary suit against one of these companies?
00:23:04.000Most of the so-called shareholders of each of these companies are firms like BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard, Invesco, and others.
00:23:12.000And the so-called shareholders are saying, no, no, no, this is exactly what we want you to be doing, which throws a wrench in the Milton Friedman logic to say that these CEOs are violating their fiduciary duty to the shareholders.
00:23:23.000The shareholders, in air quotes, are saying that's exactly what they want these companies to be doing.
00:23:28.000But the problem is the so-called shareholders are not the actual shareholders.
00:23:32.000These are just pass-through vehicles for the everyday citizens who give their money to a wealth manager who then gives it to buy into a fund.
00:23:39.000That fund's managed by BlackRock that then buys shares in the company like Apple that then vote for those policies.
00:23:45.000And so I spent I was a CEO who raised external capital as a biotech company.
00:23:51.000So going deep into the root cause, decided to start a firm called Strive that then competes directly against BlackRock by offering the same kinds of investment products, but by voting for pro-profit policies in the boardroom.
00:24:04.000Then the question, though, begs the question of why is BlackRock doing this, right?
00:24:08.000So why is it in BlackRock's interest to vote for these environmental and social agendas in Apple's or Chevron's boardroom?
00:24:15.000And the answer then comes back to government.
00:24:17.000Because BlackRock, most of their money that they manage, is actually handed to them not by individual clients directly, but by government actors, particularly state pension funds, like CalPERS or like the state of New York.
00:24:28.000CalPERS, the teachers' unions, the this.
00:24:32.000So they're okay... Sub-optimally investing your retirement funds, but with their inflation and all of this stuff, what you think you can be able to afford in time will not be there.
00:24:43.000I mean, it's why Nikki Haley's flip-flopping so much on the retirement age, because they realize that's not going to be there if these policies continue, because you are not going to get the returns that you'd otherwise be able to get if people were just acting as rational actors.
00:24:57.000That's right. That's right. And so it's not the invisible hand of the market.
00:25:01.000It's the invisible fist of government that was guiding this, which all roads lead back to, I think, taking on the mother of all bureaucracies, which is the bureaucracy in the deep state and the federal government.
00:25:11.000And so anyway, it was that journey that led me.
00:25:43.000Right, exactly. So to me, the real dividing line is you got the permanent state versus the everyday citizen.
00:25:50.000You've got the people who love the United States of America and our founding ideals and a fringe minority who hates this country and what we stand for, or to put it in broader terms, the great reset and the great uprising.
00:26:06.000The real divide is the managerial class versus the everyday citizen.
00:26:10.000And I have for my career and for my business career, and I think taken that into what my campaign represented, a effectively war on that administrative state, a war on the managerial class, a war on the permanent state.
00:26:25.000If I saw this all the way through and was elected as the next president, the top of my agenda was not to reform.
00:26:31.000And I think that people get deluded by the idea that reform of this bureaucracy is possible, but the actual mission of shutting it down.
00:26:40.000And so I aimed to run the campaign in the same way.
00:26:44.000A lot of the usual political consultant nonsense.
00:26:46.000We were draining the swamp in some ways at every step of running this campaign, draining the swamp in the media establishment.
00:26:52.000But if you actually want to go in there and get that job done, it's going to require somebody to go into three-letter agencies in Washington, D.C. and not reforming them, but actually, quite literally, shutting them down.
00:27:07.000I tend to do a lot of different things.
00:27:09.000I have a number of different interests.
00:27:11.000I could tell you, go further back in my past.
00:27:13.000But anyway, I think it's going to take a unique combination of legal knowledge to contend with, I think, a lot of the mumbo jumbo around civil service protections or otherwise, that they threw at your father and otherwise, that we're going to have to cut through to get that job done.
00:27:27.000But I do think that if we drain that bureaucracy, actually shut that bureaucracy, the mother of all bureaucracies down, That has a domino effect, effectively, that restores integrity back into the capital markets, effectively takes the legs out from underneath the ESG movement, takes the legs out from underneath the corruption in big pharma and elsewhere.
00:27:47.000That's downstream of what I see as the ultimate head of the snake, which is the deep state and the federal government.
00:27:53.000Well, you've talked about that. I mean, you sort of talk about an American renaissance, an American revival.
00:27:58.000I think you said it actually best the other night, you know, when you were on the stage with my father.
00:28:05.000Yes. And I think there's a lot of truth to that because it's gotten so ridiculous that...
00:28:11.000Even those who are agnostic, even those who haven't been paying attention traditionally, they're now paying attention.
00:28:17.000If a guy like me, the son of a billionaire, can go into a McDonald's with his kids and be like, damn, have sticker shock at the price or the grocery store, I'm not supposed to notice.
00:28:28.000If I notice, and I notice a lot, a lot of people must be getting absolutely crushed.
00:28:37.000Yeah, I think now the effect of that is literally not just the theoretical effect of people having their citizen and their civic voice no longer being heard, which is bad enough, but now it's actually affecting their pocketbook as well.
00:28:49.000And so I think that that's a dangerous combination of circumstances.
00:28:54.000The positive side of that is, if you do imagine that we're in a 1776 moment, What a special time that was to be alive in the spring of 1776, right?
00:29:02.000I think there's a lot of opportunity to revive a sense of idealism when they weren't victimized by King George.
00:29:09.000They could have chosen to be victims and angry about it, as opposed to say, we're actually going to do something about it.
00:29:13.000And so that's part of what I've been trying to do in this campaign, or what was this campaign, I should say, is to revive that founding culture and spirit of exploration.
00:29:55.000Benjamin Franklin invented the Franklin stove, a lightning rod on top of the home, a remedy to the common cold, the bifocal spectacle.
00:30:03.000This is also one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence.
00:30:06.000Robert Livingston, I don't know who the ambassador to France was under, you know, Trump won administration, but...
00:30:13.000Not to throw whoever that was under the bus, but Robert Livingston was an ambassador to France, and he was inventing one of the components to the steamship that eventually ended up being one of the great inventions of a century, while also being one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence.
00:30:26.000These were the types of people who were our founding fathers, right?
00:30:29.000But now they're being erased as well, because, you know, they...
00:30:33.000It was slave owners. Jefferson had its slaves.
00:30:50.000You mentioned earlier sort of the corporate donations to BLM and the black squares.
00:30:55.000Some of the literally most basic, boring, you know, I saw a lot of it, white women, that if their kids showed up with something, a minority or an African-American at home, they'd be going back to their friends like, oh my god, I can't believe...
00:31:12.000I'm like, listen, everyone knows you're full of shit.
00:31:15.000Stop. And yet they did it because the social pressure to not do it or the social credit for doing it, either way, whichever way you want to look at, was either beneficial or not to them for their very basic circles.
00:31:30.000The irony on that, Don, is back in our founding era, John Adams actually was not a slaveholder.
00:31:36.000He was somebody who was a principled abolitionist.
00:31:39.000He was the second president of the United States.
00:31:57.000They would not have been the John Adams figures of their day.
00:32:00.000They would have just been the people conforming to the culture of their time.
00:32:03.000And so, you know, to me, one of my missions in life is to challenge people and to wake
00:32:07.000people up out of the orthodoxies they've been lulled into.
00:32:13.000I think most people innately have both in them a lion and a sheep.
00:32:18.000No one is 100 percent one of those things.
00:32:21.000But I think right now we live in a moment in our culture, and I think we have for a good part of the last decade, where the sheep inside most of us has actually been what's Guided the way we behave.
00:32:33.000And a nation of sheep is what breeds the government of wolves.
00:32:36.000And so in the way I'm running my businesses or my campaign or anything else, it's to wake up that inner animal spirit that I think right now has been domesticated and tamed into submission.
00:32:47.000But when I say it's a 1776 moment, yes, I want to revive the ideals of the Constitution.
00:32:52.000And yes, I think that we're going to have to step up and actually each do our part to revive those ideals.
00:32:57.000But part of that's awakening the guy who invented the swivel chair or the lightning rod or the steamship while also signing a Declaration of Independence from a monarch who said that, you know what, I know what's best for you and you guys can't be trusted to self-govern to tell King George or some person in the back of a three-letter government agency or Larry Fink or whoever else Thank you very much for your benevolence, but we don't need that because we're going to self-govern and we the people determine how we're going to fight racial injustice or climate change or whatever else because that's what the United States of America was founded on.
00:33:27.000That's why I think we live in an American revolutionary moment.
00:33:31.000I don't think we have to fight the revolution this time.
00:33:33.000If we get it right at the ballot box, that's actually the best way to do this.
00:33:52.000A lot of people that I thought were definitely at least leaning towards Wolf end up just being sheep and the ridiculous mask stuff and the jabs.
00:34:20.000I don't want to say democracy because they're all a little different, but generally speaking, big D, little d, the terms of lowercase d democracy, they were there, and you realize they're basically totalitarian governments at this point, and I thought they were just like us, and you see where we're going, and I'm very worried about that direction if we don't sort of urge more people to actually unleash their inner wolf.
00:34:43.000Yes, absolutely. And this is transnational right now.
00:34:46.000So I think, forget about black versus white.
00:34:49.000Even just take off the Republican versus Democrat filter.
00:34:52.000I don't think the Republican label means very much right now.
00:34:55.000Take that off. And then even beyond national boundaries.
00:34:58.000I mean, what happened in Canada with the truckers?
00:35:00.000What's going on in Argentina with Javier Malay coming to power?
00:35:02.000What's going on even in places like Italy with Georgia Maloney?
00:35:05.000This is a... This is a transnational great uprising against the vision of the Great Reset, right?
00:35:11.000The Great Reset basically says, it's the old world European vision, which says, you know, you had the World Economic Forum in Davos just playing out in the last week or so, right?
00:35:19.000That old world vision is rearing its head again that says the people cannot be trusted.
00:35:35.000Out of our benevolence, we the autocrats, the monarchs, the autocrats have to decide what's best for the people at large.
00:35:42.000That's what 1776 was about, to say, for better or worse, we say no to King George's vision and we say yes here.
00:35:49.000That's what the World Economic Forum or the modern vision of the ESG industrial complex is all about, is to say that it's a fundamental skepticism of citizens to govern themselves.
00:36:00.000And that's the moment we live in right now.
00:36:03.000And I think there's a lot of that skepticism even within the Republican Party itself, Don.
00:36:07.000I mean, that's what Nikki Haley means.
00:36:09.000And I don't mean to make this partisan in the...
00:36:11.000I know there's the New Hampshire primary and I'm not hitting her just for that reason.
00:36:14.000I'm hitting her because of what she represents.
00:36:16.000Well, she wants everyone on social media to be registered so that you know.
00:36:20.000Exactly. You know, if they don't like what they say, they can shut you down.
00:36:23.000Listen, I know we spoke and you spoke to my father about a central bank digital currency.
00:36:29.000And like, you just think of the trucker strike in Canada.
00:36:32.000If the banks that shut them down, like if the government could literally go into whatever change they had in their pockets or on their phones and just be like, you're cut off.
00:36:44.000I mean, we spoke with my father about it, and the next day he's like, he's right.
00:36:48.000We're never going to let that happen because we are about power to the people, letting them make their own decisions, good, bad, or indifferent.
00:36:56.000Hey, plenty of people make a lot of bad decisions, but it's their decision to make.
00:37:00.000But it's their decision to make, and that's the beauty of it.
00:37:02.000I also want to take a minute to actually recognize your father on that.
00:37:07.000People, I don't think that, you know, in my interactions with him, certainly,
00:37:10.000I mean, you know him a lot better than I do, but I think he's broadly misunderstood by the public,
00:37:15.000largely because of the media portrayals of it.
00:37:17.000What I saw in that conversation we had backstage before he and I went on there
00:37:21.000was somebody who was curious, actually.
00:37:23.000Like, tell me more about what this is.
00:37:25.000And it's not somebody's, you know, a lot of people might act like they're the ones
00:37:29.000to actually know everything on day one.
00:37:31.000He didn't pretend to me that he didn't know, he didn't know what that topic was.
00:37:34.000He had the intellectual curiosity to get to the bottom of it.
00:37:36.000I know a lot of other politicians who, because they've heard the term,
00:37:40.000would pretend they know the first thing about it when they don't.
00:37:43.000Actually, it was a mark of a kind of humility that I respect, actually.
00:37:48.000And so the fact that in a brief conversation, get to the bottom of it,
00:37:52.000understand what's wrong with it, take the day, and then the next day is able
00:37:56.000to actually take a principled stand, I think is actually encouraging.
00:37:59.000And if more people, I think, saw that side of Donald Trump, I think that he would actually be far more persuasive
00:38:06.000to a lot of people who are just swallowing what they're force fed from the media.
00:38:10.000But regardless, I think it's going to take leaders like that to be able to cut through what's otherwise coming from this monarchical agenda.
00:38:18.000And they find their puppets in the Democrat Party, but they find their puppets within the Republican Party to advance their agenda, too.
00:38:23.000And Nikki Haley is just the latest vehicle that they found to advance that monarchical agenda.
00:38:28.000Yeah, and speaking of that sort of agenda, because I mean, again, we both sort of come from—I mean, you're more corporate America.
00:38:34.000We were family business, but at a pretty large scale.
00:38:37.000I talk a lot about the failures of the Biden economy and the Democrat policy and the insanity, but it's not just like inflation and this.
00:38:44.000It's also sort of— We're good to go.
00:39:13.000Can you talk about what are the other sort of major red flags you see?
00:39:16.000You mentioned it as it related to sort of big pharma and going through the FDA. Is there a cure for cancer that we're just never going to see because someone's paying the FDA to shut it down because, yeah, we spent a lot of money on this other thing.
00:39:31.000We're going to make sure we get our investment.
00:39:34.000Invermectin clearly doesn't work, even though it worked.
00:39:37.000You know, once you actually go through the studies, because, well, you know, if it really works and we have a cheap cure, you know, no one's going to make billions and they're not going to get on the board of Pfizer or, you know, big pharma once they get out of their governmental role.
00:39:51.000And that's the problem. Whether it's big military or big pharma, there's always a role later on on a board of some company making stupid money for doing nothing if you give them what they want when you're in the position of power to do so.
00:40:08.000This is why I say there's not Republican versus Democrat on this.
00:40:10.000I don't think you should be able to join the board of a company if you have been a regulator of that company.
00:40:15.000I don't think that's complicated, and yet it's happening regularly, on the regular, Republican and Democrat alike.
00:40:21.000I don't think you should be allowed to trade individual stocks if you're in Congress or regulating a particular industry or has setting policy.
00:40:28.000Nancy Pelosi is not that good an investor that she can outperform the greatest geniuses of Wall Street every year by magic.
00:40:36.000I can tell you, my first seven years of my job out of college was at a hedge fund.
00:40:40.000I worked with some of the smartest people I have met.
00:40:42.000I will tell you, I've met most of the people in Congress.
00:40:44.000They would do themselves a favor not to be trading individual stocks unless they're actually utilizing the public's information to advantage themselves, which is exactly what's happening today.
00:40:53.000But I think basic anti-corruption measures make absolute sense in the world as it relates to the FDA. I'm a medical choice absolutist.
00:41:00.000If you want to take something, just because the FDA has not approved it, as long as you're fully informed and have informed consent, you should be allowed to take a potential life-saving therapy on the basis of what you know about that rather than the FDA. Well, my father did that with Right to Try, right? I mean, it seems so obvious.
00:41:18.000You're about to drop dead in seven minutes.
00:41:20.000We have something that seems promising, but we're not going to let you take it because the FDA... I'm like, wait a minute.
00:41:25.000Hey, and the amount of lives it saved and the amount of research...
00:41:29.000It's funny. So your father was right about right to try.
00:41:33.000I just want to kind of zoom in here a layer deeper, just because I was in the industry, so you sort of see what happens.
00:41:39.000Here's the deal with the FDA, all right?
00:41:43.000They completely detested the fact that right to try became a thing, right?
00:41:48.000So that's where you get a president. Trump has a right vision, tries to get this passed into the law, and there's right to try.
00:41:54.000There's effectively an unspoken rule in the industry that you know that if you as a company made your therapy available through Right to Try, which sidestepped the FDA, the FDA, and I haven't talked about this before, but this is actually a really classic example of the managerial class.
00:42:10.000The FDA will despise you as a company for it, so much so that any other drug that you're pushing through the FDA, you know they're gonna blackball you.
00:42:19.000And so there's an old expression in the pharmaceutical industry, it goes, FDA never forgets, right?
00:42:24.000So the idea of actually utilizing Right to Try is totally unthinkable, even though that's the law of the land, because we the people said that's what we wanted, voted for president, voted for congressmen who passed that.
00:42:35.000Doesn't matter because the fourth branch, the FDA, has decided that if a company is actually using Right to Try, they're going to actually bring the hammer down on you on anything else you're trying to get through that FDA, such that that answers the mystery, Don, of why.
00:42:49.000So people criticized your father for passing that, saying that the companies know that their products actually aren't going to be safe for people to use.
00:42:56.000And so this whole Right to Try thing was much ado about nothing.
00:42:59.000And they criticized the people who pushed it.
00:43:03.000I talk about this. I have a whole chapter in my first book in Woking.
00:43:06.000It's called The Rise of the Managerial Class and kind of explains what's going on.
00:43:10.000The jujitsu move here is the FDA, the rank and file, wanted to make a fool of the elected representatives, including the president of the United States, by showing them that, see, we told you companies were better off not actually making their drugs available.
00:43:23.000But through the back door, here's the part that people didn't know.
00:43:25.000They're effectively telling companies that if they do use Right to Try, they're going to make your life hell.
00:43:32.000So nobody in the industry said, okay, there's patients who are potentially dying or suffering from not having access to the drug.
00:43:37.000But I know that I'm not going to get my other drugs through the FDA if I avail myself of this law that Trump passed because these people at the FDA want to actually make Trump look foolish for trying to pass it and actually penalize companies.
00:43:48.000So that's the whole game, which comes back to, you have to shut it down.
00:44:14.000The correct answer is you have to actually shut it down.
00:44:18.000And they told your father, understandably, things like, oh, you can't shut these things down because these employees enjoy civil service protections.
00:44:33.000You are. I couldn't hear you. Sorry. So the reality is, if you get into the law, I mean, these people are snakes, right?
00:44:41.000Those civil service protections only protect against individual employee firings, right?
00:44:47.000To say that you couldn't fire that person at the FDA because you disagree with them on gun control.
00:44:51.000I don't know. Make that up. That's what the law says you can't do.
00:44:55.000However, it does not protect against mass indiscriminate firings.
00:45:00.000And mass firings are absolutely what we need to bring to that DC bureaucracy.
00:45:05.000So the top plank of my presidential platform was a 75% mass headcount reduction across the federal bureaucracy, purposefully indiscriminately.
00:45:15.000Not that you're going to get the bad ones out.
00:45:18.000You can bring the chisel out after you get the first 75% out.
00:45:42.000Your father actually did a good job, excellent job with the Supreme Court justices.
00:45:47.000Six out of the nine Supreme Court justices agree with everything that I'm telling you.
00:45:49.000That's what a president actually can do.
00:45:52.000That's what it's actually going to take.
00:45:53.000So even passing good laws like Right to Try, and there's the equivalent in the energy sector and the EPA. I mean, every one of these agencies is the same old story.
00:46:01.000The good laws alone aren't going to change it if that rot still survives.
00:46:05.000And so that's what I'm passionate about.
00:46:07.000It reminds me sort of of Fauci, right?
00:46:13.000He probably wasn't even a journeyman doctor, but he was a better bureaucrat.
00:46:18.000So anyone who stood in his way, he'd steamroll them, he'd screw them over, they'd make sure they'd never work again.
00:46:25.000And when you saw COVID, it's like, of course...
00:46:28.000You know, the Wuhan virus came from the lab in Wuhan that studies the exact virus in question, not from seven feet outside of the lab, as they tried to tell you.
00:46:37.000But if you were a doctor and you said, like, of course the Wuhan lab leak theory is the most plausible.
00:46:42.000You were censored. You were cut off from funding.
00:46:44.000You were this. So you could speak the truth, but...
00:46:49.000You lost that tenure that you had, and he was maniacal enough that he would exercise that kind of power, sort of like you're saying with the FDA and Right to Try.
00:46:57.000But it's not just Fauci, and it's the hundred people underneath him, right?
00:47:42.000And absent that, no amount of reform is going to actually make that difference.
00:47:47.000And so that's why I was so passionate, animated, even running in a race against a man who I immensely admire, which I think I made abundantly clear over the course of the race, if you were watching.
00:47:59.000I respected Donald Trump immensely for his contributions to this country.
00:48:27.000Often, I'd be like, listen, we make a distinction between the door kickers and the bureaucrats at the top at the FBI. But now I'm like...
00:48:34.000Well, now you're arresting innocent people.
00:48:36.000You're breaking down their doors with machine guns.
00:48:38.000Like, when do you guys say enough is enough?
00:48:40.000Like, I've given you the hall pass for your, I'm just doing my job.
00:48:43.000But when you're doing your job knowingly infringing on rights, when you're entrapping, you know, some meth head to try to pretend there was a government, there was a, you know, a plot to assassinate and kidnap the governor of Michigan.
00:48:59.000When do you lose the hall pass I gave you for doing your job?
00:49:03.000Because you're no longer just doing your job.
00:49:05.000So the next time I have a conversation with your father again, because I've been impressed by how receptive he has actually been to reasoned analysis and argument, I'm going to actually talk to him about the FBI. Because...
00:49:17.000I know he's talking about the new building.
00:49:21.000What are they going to do? Let's actually just get to the math of this.
00:49:23.000There's 35,000 employees at the FBI. 20,000 of them are the back office bureaucrats in the J. Edgar Hoover building and the other back office functions throughout the federal government.
00:49:39.000The 15,000 people who are the frontline cops, most of them are just following directives.
00:49:45.000Don, I'd say let's move them to the U.S. Marshals or to the DEA, flawed as the DEA is, or to the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network at the U.S. Treasury that goes after the SBFs of the world.
00:49:56.000So just take the line soldiers, and even if you move them to some of the agencies that have been corrupted, But for the J. Edgar Hoover building at the FBI, the institution itself, what I call the failed Bureau of Investigation, the 20,000 back office bureaucrats at the FBI, we have to be willing to do the hard thing and actually shut it down.
00:50:39.000Yeah, well, you saw what they did to the whistleblowers, right?
00:50:41.000The whistleblowers, it was against Trump.
00:50:43.000Backlash. That person was beyond reproach.
00:50:46.000How dare you, even if it's totally biased, even if it was ridiculous, even if it was proven true, it didn't matter.
00:50:50.000If you were a whistleblower against their insanity, you know, again, whether it was the Gretchen Wittner plot, I mean, you know, the January 6th pipe bomb, which magically was discovered by a plainclothes capital police officer.
00:51:02.000Two of them. For the DNC and the RNC. Unbelievable.
00:51:05.000It was almost like if they didn't get what they wanted out of January 6th, then they had another avenue that they could pursue to create the insurrection argument.
00:51:14.000We can't release the videos because there's 200-plus FBI agents in the, quote, first unarmed insurrection in the history of the world.
00:51:23.000We can't release it because we'd give up our officers.
00:51:25.000So they were there, they were in the room, and they didn't do anything to stop it?
00:51:31.000And Kamala Harris was at the DNC headquarters.
00:51:35.000And Kamala Harris was there the morning of at the DNC headquarters, which is actually the funniest and most bizarre piece of that twist, that that security didn't get it, but later on they did it at the right time.
00:51:44.000So that's where that shoe is going to drop, I believe, as the details of the pipe bomb investigation come out.
00:51:49.000But I'm going to make a broader point here.
00:51:52.000And I think that as a movement with the rigor that we're actually able to cut through the BS that they push our way, that was my purpose in this race.
00:52:00.000And I think that for our movement, we cannot just stop at sort of throwing our hands up in the air and just using the general expressions we've used.
00:52:09.000We have to get and level up with respect to the level of detail and rigor.
00:52:13.000I'm talking about the plan for shutting down the FBI. That's one example of it.
00:52:17.000Or the FDA. Or thinking about actually cutting through the specifics of which video footage was or was not released to understand that the same person, DeAntonio, Stephen DeAntonio, who ran the Detroit field office of the FBI, which actually started with a plot to storm the Capitol in Michigan that became the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot, Pointing to the actual jury acquittals of multiple of those defendants on the ground of entrapment.
00:52:41.000That Detroit field office head was the very person who was then promoted by Christopher Wray to become the DC field office head months before January 6th, 2021.
00:52:50.000But what I want to ask of our movement, and I'm going to do my part to do it, Is we have to level up with the rigor that we're actually bringing to the table, or else we're going to be on the losing side of this.
00:53:03.000Can't just pass the laws, think we accomplished something, replace a figurehead on top and call it a day.
00:53:08.000We have to be willing to go in and gut the very existence of that bureaucracy.
00:53:14.000On legally rigorous footing at every step of the way to say that, you know what, if you're going to sue us, that's fine.
00:53:18.000We're going to take it to the Supreme Court and win.
00:53:20.000That's what it's going to take to drive change in this country.
00:53:23.000And that's what, frankly, motivated me in this.
00:53:28.000I'm speaking super candidly, but I felt like that level of rigor was missing.
00:53:34.000And... Our movement, we owe it to this movement to take this further.
00:53:38.000And so now I'm all in, and I'm going to help Donald Trump.
00:53:42.000Ultimately, the beauty of our system is it's up to the people.
00:53:45.000And so the people have spoken loud and clear.
00:53:47.000I'm all in to make sure that he's as successful as he can be.
00:53:50.000But I think that we have to do it by leveling up our own movement with respect to the rigor of going about it this time around, because the rot runs far deeper than just even the Fauci's or the Christopher Wray's.
00:54:03.000I don't know if the position exists, man, but we may have to create that position for you because, you know, you're right.
00:54:14.000That's great. But you need a team of people, right?
00:54:15.000We have to eradicate this. Someone needs to bring the pesticide, actually, is what we actually need.
00:54:19.000Yeah. So that's what we need in this movement.
00:54:22.000We also need the resolve that, unfortunately, is so lacking, you know, in the Republican Party so much.
00:54:28.000You know, the Republicans... You know, it's a pretty easy existence in D.C. to be a Republican, shockingly, if you just roll over...
00:54:34.000It doesn't mean anything. Like, you know, 30% of the time.
00:54:36.000You can be, like, kind of, you know, 75% Republican and tell your people at home who voted for you to be a conservative, you know, what they want to hear there.
00:54:46.000But if you go to D.C. and you give up on the big ones, you know...
00:54:48.000You know, Lankford over in Oklahoma...
00:54:51.000Let's just open up the borders and basically pass a bill that gives them amnesty.
00:54:56.000It's like, wait, the people of Oklahoma certainly don't want that.
00:56:10.000Stop any federal funding for Central America or Mexico, period, and instead require every one of those countries,
00:56:17.000right, all the way from Venezuela to the northern border of Texas,
00:56:20.000to rebuild their own border barricades, including across what's called the Darien Pass,
00:56:25.000the jungle region that people didn't use to pass through.
00:56:28.000Keep in mind that 80% of the people coming into our country from Mexico,
00:56:32.000over 80% of them did not start in Mexico.
00:56:34.000So if every one of those countries saying, we're done, cut off the foreign aid tomorrow, and require that they build their own border barricades from Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, every one of those countries all the way up, Then you stop the flow.
00:56:45.000Now you come to our own southern border.
00:56:48.000Of course, completion of the wall is necessary.
00:56:53.000They're building cartel finance tunnels underneath that wall.
00:56:56.000There are certain areas that cannot be walled.
00:56:58.000The right answer ends up being, I believe, move our own military to the southern border.
00:57:03.000And where's our military? We got 40,000 troops sitting in places like Germany, which does not even pay 2% of its own GDP on its own military expenditures.
00:57:13.000Japan. Germany and Japan are two of the biggest places, but Germany is a NATO ally.
00:57:18.000Bound to spend 2% of its own GDP and still doesn't do it to this day, laughing at us at every step of the way, free riding.
00:57:25.000So a lot of those troops, we just move them to our own southern border, complete the border wall, end the foreign aid to Central America, require each of them to build their border barricades.
00:57:34.000I mean, we've got that problem solved.
00:57:36.000I had to actually go one step further preemptively, and I'd move a good part of our military to protect our northern border, too.
00:57:42.000Keep in mind, our northern border has seen more illegal border crossings last year than the last 12 years combined.
00:57:48.000But the combination of those two things send a signal to the rest of the world, and half of this is the signal that we send, that we're not open for business anymore to this type of illegal mass migration.
00:57:59.000Let's do the best border policies of all.
00:58:02.000Cease any dime of federal funding to a sanctuary city.
00:58:04.000We're done creating the incentives to be here illegally.
00:58:07.000And then on day one, and I can talk to you about why the president can do this, Don.
00:58:11.000I think they may have more that mythology from the deep state that they might have given to your father.
00:58:18.000End birthright citizenship for the kids of illegal migrants.
00:58:21.000The president does not need anybody's permission to do this because the 14th Amendment already says so.
00:58:25.000I can tell you why. And then I would start the process of mass deportations.
00:58:30.000Anybody who's in this country illegally.
00:58:32.000I mean, I love the beauty of legal immigrants who are willing to make contributions to this country if they come the right way and do it, like your mother and my parents.
00:58:41.000But... Anybody who's in this country illegally has to be returned to their country of origin, period.
00:58:47.000Again, things that they tell people in the last administration is, oh, there's only 6,000 ICE agents.
00:58:52.000How are we possibly going to remove a bunch of people who are here illegally by the millions?
00:58:57.000The answer is there's a section in the law that allows you to do it.
00:59:00.000If you... It's called 287G. It allows you to serve local law enforcement, to use local law enforcement to serve ISIS warrants.
00:59:08.000You then have a million local law enforcement.
01:00:12.000And there's not a judge or legal scholar in this country who would disagree with me on that.
01:00:16.000Well, if the kid of a Mexican diplomat who's here legally does not enjoy birthright citizenship, then neither does the kid of a Mexican or Venezuelan illegal migrant who's here enjoy birthright citizenship either.
01:00:28.000Which means the next president who swears an oath to the Constitution, and that's going to be your father if we get our jobs and get our ducks in a row and do this right, We're good to go.
01:00:59.000That has eliminated a mass part of the incentive.
01:01:01.000If you've also eliminated federal funding for sanctuary cities, you've eliminated the incentives to be here.
01:01:05.000You've got the military on the border, completed the wall, and ended federal funding for the other countries that haven't built their own border barricades.
01:01:14.000And everything I told you, we don't even...
01:01:16.000Did I talk about passing a bill through Congress?
01:01:18.000No, I didn't, because existing laws already allow for it.
01:01:23.000And 287G already allows us to use local law enforcement, of whom we have a million, to go after the 8 million who are here illegally.
01:01:30.000It comes back down to that deep state that has duped the President of the United States to say that, no, no, no.
01:01:36.000Here's what the law and the Constitution say.
01:01:38.000Thank you very much. We're clearing house for the 75% who are the rot that live there and the remaining 25% to get that job done.
01:01:45.000All we need to do is use the executive branch to get that job done.
01:01:51.000And I think that we could actually in the first six months revive this country.
01:01:55.000Then that parts the seas in Congress to say, okay, you guys see the country's actually on track to being normalized from a border crisis to an economy that's growing again.
01:02:03.000We're sending a lot of those unconstitutional regulations.
01:02:45.000I think that's the way things need to go.
01:02:46.000Yeah, and listen, I think we tried doing a lot of that in the first time with executive orders that actually were effective.
01:02:51.000They worked very well, but then you have Congress trying to undermine you at all costs.
01:02:57.000So a big part of this is, again, no different than the institutions.
01:03:01.000You can't just cut off the head of the snake.
01:03:02.000You've got to take it back down further.
01:03:04.000We have the same thing in Congress, because even we had the House, we had the Senate, we had the presidency, but if you have...
01:03:11.000Weak congressmen that are more worried about being invited to the cool person holiday party and Christmas party in Washington, D.C. than they are delivering for their constituency or the beliefs of their party or their commander in chief.
01:03:25.000It's not just within the institutions.
01:03:27.000Exactly, exactly. And so I think you just go one by one.
01:03:30.000I think that a lot of what I'm talking about, there's executive orders that could be substitutes for policy, but the kind of executive actions I'm talking about are, if you're shutting down massive numbers of agencies, then Congress has to act to bring them back.
01:03:44.000The executive, in many cases, can shut them down.
01:04:25.000He sees the attacks on him, but the regular people of America and how the full force and effect of our federal government has been weaponized really against 50% of the people, or at least certainly more so against the ones that are vocal.
01:04:39.000I want to talk about that because there is a lack of justice, it seems, these days.
01:04:44.000And maybe our most important virtue within our institutions is justice itself, right?
01:04:49.000Without it, citizens lose complete faith in the integrity in government.
01:04:53.000And by the way, I think some of it's very intentional for government.
01:04:58.000They want you to think your vote doesn't matter.
01:05:00.000They want you to sit at home and they'll tell you what's better for you.
01:05:04.000They're full of it. They've proven themselves to be wrong, but they've also proven themselves, in my mind, to be evil.
01:05:09.000You know, what's your vision, the path to restoring credibility within the justice system?
01:05:16.000Yeah, so I think that it starts with a powerful move that's in the president's hands on day one, which is a series of, like, I think it's going to be a very long list of pardons.
01:05:28.000To say that anybody who was incorrectly prosecuted or persecuted because of their own political beliefs, just as it was wrong, and this country, it's happened because of skin color, Don, you know, 160 years ago, that was the case, and it was wrong then.
01:05:42.000Well, just as somebody should not be held a different standard of the rule of law because of their skin color a century and a half ago, They shouldn't be held to a different standard of the rule of law because of their political belief either.
01:05:52.000And so if somebody else would not have been persecuted under the same circumstances, and we know that with hard evidence that they weren't, that puts somebody eligible for a pardon.
01:06:00.000Take Douglas Mackey. Douglas Mackey and Christina Wong, she's a comedian, literally did the same thing in reverse, wasn't prosecuted but celebrated as a comedian.
01:06:07.000That's a classic case for a pardon on the grounds of political injustice.
01:06:12.000A peaceful January 6th protester versus BLM or Antifa that was treated a different way
01:06:36.000And honestly, seven or eight years ago, I wouldn't have.
01:06:39.000Yeah. Before I saw what the government will do, because I know what they're trying to do to me, and certainly see what they're trying to do to my father.
01:06:45.000And, you know, there was a time I was like, no, he's a traitor, he gave up secrets.
01:06:48.000And now I'm realizing, no, no, no, like, our government has been lying to us.
01:06:52.000Totally. We have intelligence people that lied before Congress.
01:06:56.000Not only do they not face any ramifications, they get, like, contributing jobs at CNN to continue to lie to the American people.
01:07:04.000Oh, absolutely. Because it was the fifth branch of government.
01:07:06.000They don't lose their intelligence access.
01:07:08.000I'm looking at the 51 people in the intelligence community.
01:07:12.000They don't lose their top secret clearance for lying to the American public that the Hunter Biden laptop wasn't real.
01:07:19.000They get a promotion. They get a promotion and added consulting gigs.
01:07:22.000And even on the Julian Assange thing, I mean, again, I want to be really rigorous about this because the facts of it, I think, are worth noting.
01:07:29.000He was the journalist who published the documents that were leaked to him by the government.
01:07:34.000That's literally how Washington, D.C. works.
01:07:36.000It's like the Washington Post's business model, right?
01:07:39.000But here's the dirty little secret in this, Don, is, again, because we're going to get assailed from the left or assailed from, I mean, for all I know, Julian Assange might have left-wing political beliefs.
01:07:48.000I don't know. But here's what I will tell you.
01:07:51.000Is the person who leaked the documents to him was Chelsea Manning, who did get pardoned by President Obama.
01:07:59.000So get this straight. The government official who leaked the documents to Julian Assange got a pardon.
01:08:04.000You want to know what the dirty little truth is about Chelsea Manning?
01:08:21.000There's no higher rung in America than to be somebody who mistakes your gender for something different than your biological sex.
01:08:27.000But the funniest part about this is Chelsea Manning's transgender epiphany Happened while Chelsea Manning was in prison, which tells me that Chelsea Manning is probably not transgender.
01:08:39.000Chelsea Manning is just probably highly intelligent, knowing that that would actually be how she would earn a pardon, with President Obama actually then giving that pardon to somebody who became transgender while in jail in need of a pardon, knowing that increased the likelihood of a pardon and was correct and actually got the pardon.
01:08:53.000While Julian Assange, the person who literally just published the documents, The journalist who never signed an oath of obligation to the government is rotting in a foreign prison.
01:09:13.000I say I would do this. At least this time around, I'm not going to be the president.
01:09:16.000But in my mode of running for president, the way I would have done this is turn over everybody at not only every U.S. attorney, not just the attorney general, every assistant U.S. attorney at the DOJ. Take the FBI. They work hand in glove with.
01:09:29.000Don't try to reform it to put a different Christopher Wray on top in a different building.
01:09:34.000The 15,000 cops on the front lines, move them to the U.S. Marshals, to the DEA, to the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network.
01:09:40.000We got to get, I mean, you got to roll your sleeves up and be willing to bring not the chisel, but the chainsaw.
01:09:46.000That is what this is going to take, because otherwise it is an optical illusion.
01:09:50.000And in some ways, Don, it is worse when you have those Republicans in Congress or in D.C. that are going to do what the right thing is 70% of the time, but fail in the 30% that's the most important, because it creates the optical illusion as though we're doing something and placate the people into believing something that actually happened when it didn't.
01:10:06.000That's worse than somebody who's ideologically opposed to us, because at least then the people know.
01:10:10.000Here, it's the disguise of it that actually creates the farce and the veneer itself, which comes back to the right three words, shut it down.
01:10:21.000We got to have the spine to actually see it through.
01:10:23.000And without that, any change is going to be an illusion rather than actually the belief that we got something done.
01:10:29.000There's just going to be placating the people whose feet they lick in convincing you that you did something without actually shutting the darn thing down, which is the only way we're going to restore one standard of the rule of law is turn the whole thing over, not just tinkering around the figureheads.
01:11:30.000But, you know, then you get a New York judge that says, well, you can't show the Anderson Cooper videos or the time she's on Twitter and, you know, talking about rape being sexy.
01:11:39.000Like, anyone with a brain realizes it's nonsense, but guess what?
01:11:43.000Like, a jury in New York, even if there was a conservative on there, which there probably isn't, they see it, it's like, well, I'd never be able to leave my apartment again if I do this.
01:11:51.000So... There's nothing they won't weaponize, which is why you do have to shut it all down, because it's 100% accurate.
01:11:58.000And I'm worried right now that a lot of this is playing out through the Republican Party itself.
01:12:07.000And I was vocal about this in the late stages of the race, and I know that it may even...
01:12:12.000Some people in your orbit, uncomfortable for me speaking the truth, but I think we've got to see it.
01:12:17.000I'm worried for this country, and I'm worried for your father, I'm worried for your family, and I'm worried for your country, our country.
01:12:25.000Because, look, the very people who are actually paying for those lawsuits against your father, who are they propping up, actually?
01:12:33.000It's not even Joe Biden. It's not Gavin Newsom.
01:12:49.000Because my concern, and when I was a candidate, Even people in the MAGA movement and people in, you know, Trump's own orbit, I think, didn't relish me saying this.
01:13:00.000But it's the truth, and I'm gonna stand by it.
01:13:03.000I am worried that what they want to do is to narrow this to a two-horse race between Nikki and your father, Use some sort of whatever means necessary, whatever it is, to take your father out of contention and trot their puppet into the White House under the optical illusion that it was a Republican, so they weren't even partisan about it, when that Republican, I think, is actually arguably more dangerous than many Democrats that you and I both know.
01:13:26.000It's Hillary Clinton dressed up for Halloween as a conservative.
01:13:29.000Absolutely. And with a stronger pro-pointless war agenda, with a surveillance state imagination that even Jack Smith didn't have, tying your social media accounts to your government-issued ID to spy on you if you're criticizing a war in Ukraine, that if you're criticizing your American journalist in Ukraine, you end up in prison and they kill you.
01:13:53.000What I will say is part of the reason I dropped out when I did, you know, we were at 8% in Iowa, it would have been a reasonable thing, and I think would have done similarly in New Hampshire, is I think a lot of my vote goes to Trump, and I think correctly so.
01:14:06.000And actually, you know, we're representing the only two candidates that actually did represent the same movement, True America First Principles.
01:14:11.000If you look at who was the second choice to your father, I actually was way ahead of DeSantis and Haley both on all of the polling.
01:14:17.000But I stepped out because I think it's important that this race end In New Hampshire.
01:14:23.000And I would sort of say if Ron DeSantis did have the guts to drop out and endorse your father before New Hampshire too, I'd say put the whole last year behind water under the bridge and give him credit for doing the right thing too, because that too would be a, I think, admirable and honorable move for the country.
01:14:40.000I say this was hard for me to do, and I empathize.
01:14:43.000No, I get it, man. And I see it, and I get that it's fair.
01:14:45.000He should do that, too. There's guys we attacked a lot in 16.
01:14:49.000I actually have great relationships with them.
01:14:53.000It's one of the problems with the primary process, but it's a necessary evil in a certain way.
01:14:56.000But Nikki Haley I put in a different category than that, though.
01:15:09.000It's why I dropped out. I think it'd be a good thing if Ron did the same thing.
01:15:12.000I think that the America First movement should re-embrace Ron if he does that.
01:15:16.000If he doesn't, I think that's a problem.
01:15:17.000I think that that actually is setting up for a real problem going forward if this margin in New Hampshire isn't wide enough to end this race.
01:15:25.000But I stand by what I said in my last month in the race.
01:15:29.000I am worried that there is a plot hiding in plain sight.
01:15:34.000And what I said on the day that I stepped down from that stage is, I'm worried that absent things we should never want to see happen in this country, that there's no path for me.
01:15:44.000And that's why I stepped out so that we can focus on doing the right thing.
01:15:49.000But I think it's really important that this race not continue past next Tuesday in New Hampshire, because if it does, I think that there are insidious forces at work that I believe have made it hell-bent that they want to trot a puppet who they can control into the White House.
01:16:04.000And it's up to us as citizens to make sure that doesn't happen.
01:16:07.000And I think that's every bit as important as any other part of the agenda we've talked about right here.
01:16:12.000And I'm all in for the country to make sure that that happens.
01:16:17.000And you are. And thank you for all your help with that.
01:16:19.000I look forward to actually spending a lot more time.
01:16:21.000There's so many ideas. So much more I want to talk to you about eventually, you know, sort of the patriot economy, more about Strive, some of the other businesses that are out there.
01:16:28.000Because I think, you know, again, you cut off the dollars and it changes things dramatically as well.
01:16:32.000And it's not just playing in the political field or through the executive branch or the legislative branch.
01:16:37.000But, you know, real Americans can make a difference there for playing that right.
01:16:41.000And obviously you bring a lot of advice and experience to that, that I want other Americans to understand.
01:16:47.000And so would love to have you back on, man.
01:16:48.000I look forward to seeing you out on the road.
01:16:51.000I know you had a hard out. But I really appreciate everything, Vivek.
01:16:54.000And I think, honestly, just reading the comments, people get it, man.
01:16:59.000They see you made a lot of friends tonight.
01:17:01.000They understand people that were skeptical.
01:17:16.000Maybe we could talk about this next time, too, is I get, you know, when people think, oh, there's some guy out of nowhere, you know, what are his intentions and who this is?
01:17:24.000There's some skepticism. I think there's two things.
01:17:26.000One is do your actual, like, I mean, homework a little bit.
01:17:29.000I mean, I didn't really come out of nowhere, but functioning politics did.
01:17:33.000But at a certain point... We have to, you know, we got a country to save, and so channel that to a good place.
01:17:40.000But as long as we're actually marching in the same direction to get this done, we should have the conversation next time about the patriot economy and about the capital markets to drive this change, too.
01:18:11.000I'm going to take some of your guys' questions.
01:18:15.000It's interesting. I want to see, has your opinion changed?
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01:20:19.000They're not going to listen to you on anything else.
01:20:22.000I'm going to take your questions for a little bit.
01:20:24.000I'm going to open it up to the guys on Locals as well and make sure I take care of those questions because I've been on the road so much all over the place.
01:20:30.000I haven't been able to go live on Locals because by the time I get done with the show, I was in minus 40 in Iowa, so it was brutal.
01:20:39.000Make sure to get to those questions because it's been a week or so.
01:20:43.000Let's fire away. You guys got anything good out here for me?
01:20:53.000You can see, whether you like it or not, the guy has gone down the rabbit hole.
01:21:00.000He is knowledgeable. He understands the Constitution.
01:21:05.000Well, what's his foreign policy stance?
01:21:07.000We didn't even get into it, but it's pretty clear he's anti-war.
01:21:11.000It seems like he's got very much the Trump foreign policy, which is the opposite of Nikki Haley, who would be in every war, in every country, on every continent imaginable.
01:21:25.000So I've seen a bunch of Vivek for VP. I like that.
01:21:28.000And I also saw a bunch of just, you know, make him like the, you know, blow shit up czar, basically.
01:21:33.000Like, just get in there and, you know, take down these institutions, by the way, both of which important and interesting.
01:22:57.000I was like, of the candidates in the race, once I got to hear what he was saying, I was like, he's actually sort of my number two pick after your favorite president, Donald J. Trump.
01:25:15.000I mean, they were there because they went to Melania's mother's funeral.
01:25:20.000It's... How does our family get-together today, unfortunately?
01:25:25.000And I think he'd be a wonderful vice president.
01:25:29.000My only concern with Ben Carson is, is he literally just too nice a human being to enter that world with what they'll try to do to Trump or, frankly, anyone who's MAGA right now or probably anyone at this point?
01:25:41.000You know, our Secretary of Defense doesn't feel the need to let the Biden administration know that he's going to be in the hospital incapacitated for a week.
01:25:51.000They don't feel that way because they don't feel they need to report to the executive branch.
01:25:56.000They no longer report to civilian leadership, the deep state, or the military-industrial complex is totally in charge.
01:26:30.000But... Okay, so some people do like Vivek for there.
01:26:38.000Obviously, you know, and I've said that, that'd be great.
01:26:40.000And if you can do that or you create the, you know, the blow shit up commission, give them some power to actually get rid of these, you know, again, not just cut off the head of the snake where the next hundred people all amass into the exact same position because they're basically like the Borg at this point.
01:26:59.000But take some stuff, you know, that would be great.
01:27:06.000I don't know where she stands politically. I know she's a brilliant woman.
01:27:10.000You know, but again, for me, I'm not into just, well, a brilliant woman who happens to be African American.
01:27:17.000Like, you know... If that's the right person, I think that's wonderful.
01:27:22.000I don't want to do the Democrat thing, which is pick an incompetent woman that checks off a couple boxes and be like, we're playing diversity politics.
01:27:29.000I think we lose when we start playing that game.
01:30:37.000Again, whether he has the full legal experience, whatever that means, that they need for confirmation, it's a whole different thing than whether he has the knowledge.
01:31:54.000We moved studios. So this was the thing.
01:31:57.000So Kim and I were literally working out of our gym doing this.
01:32:00.000We actually built out a whole new studio so that we could do it more, so we could have eventually couches do a lot more stuff easy in person.
01:32:07.000So this is literally the first live...
01:32:09.000Well, I guess second because Kim went earlier.
01:32:11.000But... And she had some sound problems, so you guys are really screwed.
01:32:31.000And again, I think it probably is slightly more eloquently worded than the Blow Shit Ups are, which, you know, I think is effective, but probably would have a hard time being talked about on national television.
01:32:45.000So, not that anyone watches national television anymore, because, you know, give Melania some hugs.
01:33:06.000Every time you think it's easy or you think you got it, someone kicks you in the dick and you start from scratch.
01:33:11.000Dana White for VP. I see a lot of Tucker.
01:33:15.000You understand my position on that one.
01:33:18.000Tucker for VP. That would be certainly a top two or three for me without question.
01:33:27.000What are you going to do about Governor Kemp?
01:33:29.000That's an interesting one because it's clear...
01:33:32.000It's clear right now there is total impropriety in that office.
01:33:36.000This is the Fannie Willis Georgia case.
01:33:40.000It is absolutely lunacy that that could happen.
01:33:45.000And he could very easily call a commission and look into it.
01:33:48.000And if he's going to stand by and pretend like this is fine and not, either because he's afraid to do it.
01:33:54.000If you're a conservative, just wait until they do it to you guys.
01:33:57.000So... I think it's absolutely insane, and I think it probably destroys any future political aspirations he has, but he is the sitting governor of Georgia, so maybe he knows more than me.
01:34:25.000You then go on vacations lavishly while having an extramarital affair.
01:34:31.000On the dime of this, he billed a 24-hour day For some of these things, you know, not even legal in Georgia.
01:34:41.000It's such a sham, but, you know, Kemp's clearly no fan of my father, so he'll probably let it play out and see if he can hurt him and then, you know, swoop in and be a hero of the Rhinos.
01:36:37.000You know, unless we end up in a Ukraine-type situation where they're sending, you know, 45-year-old-plus conscripts like they are over there because the whole thing's ridiculous.
01:36:46.000You know, I'm not going there, but I have five young kids.
01:37:37.000But, you know, I think kids have to look at reality.
01:37:39.000You see that. Like, a lot of the rappers coming up, you're like, I'm done with Biden.
01:37:42.000Like, because there's only so many times, you know, how many times can you cry wolf and tell people you're going to do something for them and fail them across every spectrum?
01:37:51.000Like, people are waking up and they're sick of it.
01:37:54.000And the bigger thing with Trump is they saw their own prosperity during the first Trump administration.
01:37:59.000Then they saw it all disappear immediately.
01:38:39.000I think Monday's show, we're going to do something where, like, just so much happened this week, you know, that we didn't cover.
01:38:44.000I know Vivek had a clean hour for us tonight, but normally I want to do, you know, sort of news of the week and, you know, go through that.
01:38:50.000I think I may just do, like, an ad-lib show on Monday.
01:39:18.000And honestly, if everyone handled the press like Dana White, maybe DJT, and Sean Strickland, guess what?
01:39:26.000They would stop pulling their bullshit.
01:39:28.000And the problem is when they pull their bullshit...
01:39:31.000It actually turns into, like, the gospel because no one contests it, so they believe a lie is a fact.
01:39:35.000You know, DeSantis sort of walked into that at the town hall this week where he's like, you know, CNN, the people that drowned at the border!
01:40:01.000People don't know. You just assume what they're telling you is the gospel as opposed to their dreams and hopes with maybe half a percent of truth of something.
01:40:10.000In this case, there was nothing, but it doesn't matter.
01:40:13.000And then it becomes, well, he said it.
01:42:42.000You can be good in Florida. Even a big state like Florida, you can do that, but then you get into the big leagues and the national interests get involved and start funding you, and that's when they own your ass, and that's the problem with the system.
01:44:42.000So I'm like, come on. It's got to be—but you also—like, if it's not, you could—so you— You just stay silent, or you don't address it, or you don't go in there.
01:44:51.000So I was pretty quick to jump back on that, like, this sounds like bullshit.
01:44:54.000But all of these things are designed specifically to do just that, to take other people out of the game.
01:45:02.000Now, you know, Andrew Tate clearly doesn't need anyone to defend him.
01:46:31.000That'd be a good one. I love Tucker for VP because you guys understand that selfishly all I want to see is the Tucker Carlson Kamala Harris vice presidential debate.
01:46:41.000You understand that, right? Not that he wouldn't, like I said, I've been very clear, he's my first, maybe second or third, he's clearly top two or three, probably number one, but...
01:46:55.000He would be anyway, but that's really the icing on the cake.
01:46:59.000Although, listen, I would love to see Vivek debate Kamala on real issues.
01:47:07.000Honestly, I think anyone could actually debate Kamala Harris at this point.
01:47:11.000The verbal diarrhea, word salad crap that comes out of her mouth on every speech.
01:47:16.000It's like someone's writing that speech.
01:47:17.000I think, listen, the left has done an incredible job of infiltrating every aspect of Of our government, every institution, every item of pop culture.
01:47:27.000But some conservative, some conservative got into the Biden administration and became Kamala Harris's speechwriter.
01:47:36.000Not that they're writing conservative stuff, but that the crap that they string together cannot possibly be done by someone who's a Democrat.
01:47:45.000It's literally impossible to imagine that Kamala looks drunk now.
01:47:51.000You think she's been drinking? And Tucker would be on Fox again.
01:49:46.000My sort of breakout moment in politics in 16 was really my Republican National Convention speech where they were like, Don Jr.
01:49:53.000for president soon. And I'd spent a lot of time on this speech, worked on it hard, tried delivering it right, and I showed it to him.
01:50:01.000We're literally on a plane going to Indiana, and he was traveling with us, and we're meeting with him, and we're meeting with Pence, and I go...
01:50:08.000You know what? I got, like, the former Speaker of the House, you know, sort of a brilliant, you know, tacticianer as it relates to politics, like someone who's been doing this much longer.
01:50:16.000I'd been in politics all of, like, four months at this point.
01:50:18.000I was like, maybe I should take this couple minutes and have him look at my speech.
01:50:22.000And he read it. Like, spent, like, 15 minutes, like...
01:50:24.000And he goes, that is a really good speech.
01:50:26.000And he just goes... Take every four and five syllable word in there and make it two.
01:50:34.000And I was like, he was like, this speech, just, you know, it probably uses the word, you know, dumb it down.
01:50:40.000But just make it that everyone gets every word, that there's no one, you know, wondering, you know.
01:50:45.000And I was like, You know, I think I have a decent vocabulary, though.
01:50:52.000Don't always use it as much anymore, but I've adapted that mentality.
01:50:57.000And, you know, I did that, and it was like, it was sort of a launch point for me.
01:51:04.000So, you know, he was brilliant, and we're sitting there, and, you know, but, you know, he'd been very successful in the private sector after years and decades in government and everything like that, and I was sort of So I'd have to stop doing X. I'd have to stop doing Y. And I literally just asked the question pretty bluntly.
01:51:21.000I just said, you know, sir, do you actually want the job?
01:51:25.000He's like, no, it'd be an honor to serve it.
01:51:27.000I go, no, no, no. There's a difference between...
01:51:29.000I understand, you know, the honor of it, but do you actually want it?
01:51:33.000Because there is a difference. And he was like, you know what?
01:51:38.000That's actually a really good question.
01:51:40.000And so that was sort of where he's like...
01:51:43.000I'm not sure I want to change my life and get back into that world right now.
01:52:18.000We sat there and we had breakfast at the governor's mansion and they were just nice people and they didn't have like this, you know, crazy staff like you see, you know, with a lot of governors.
01:52:25.000I was like, you know, these are kind of...
01:52:27.000Kind of like our people, very different, but also good.
01:52:34.000Like I said, for the most part, I think that was the right call at that time.
01:54:07.000It was sort of interesting. I see some of the other podcasts that are out there and where they get ranked in these stores and stuff like that.
01:54:12.000I'm always like, dude, I look at our numbers.
01:54:33.000It's, you know, you're away from other big tech, even, you know, obviously Apple or Spotify that, you know, where there's more of that bias.
01:54:44.000Any other, anyone else you watch on Rumble via Roku?
01:54:50.000That's interesting. You get like the big screen version?
01:54:54.000Okay, then. Yeah, so what I want to do now that we have the new studio, I want to do like a wall where, you know, I have a little bit of my stuff, like, you know, get a couple deer heads on the wall, maybe some old guns, have a little bit more fun with that.
01:55:05.000That way for, not for everyone, but for some people, we can have, you know, sort of the outdoor conversations and break it up a little bit from the politics.
01:58:26.000I have not been... I've been on the road so much.
01:58:28.000I haven't been paying so much attention.
01:58:29.000I literally wanted to... I told them, hey, I want like an HVAC system that sucks out so that I can have cigars while doing the podcast because they make it more enjoyable for me.
01:59:54.000None of the people that wear Carhartt these days, other than maybe the construction workers who still wear it by default, but the average person I see wearing Carhartt these days definitely does not do any Carhartt shit whatsoever.
02:00:06.000So it's interesting. But as a business guy, I understand it.
02:02:37.000He's just a super successful business guy.
02:02:40.000He gets it. He was basically a former Democrat because he had to be in West Virginia.
02:02:44.000There was no—you know, the blue-collar guy, even the successful one, if you—you know, farming and— You know, you were a Democrat.
02:02:53.000He literally, we went turkey hunting and a week later, he switched parties and ran as a Republican and has been delivering in West Virginia.
02:03:01.000So, you know, hey, listen, we got to welcome all of these things.
02:03:04.000I think he was basically, you know, a West Virginia Democrat ain't...
02:03:14.000It's now the Republican Party, and it's very different.
02:03:17.000But, you know, I'd love to see him in a Senate seat in West Virginia after doing what he did, you know, in West Virginia in the governor's mansion.
02:03:58.000Honestly, this is the last chance in 10 years that we can actually make some gains in the United States Senate just based on where, you know, there are sort of purple states where we have a chance to actually make some gains that you don't have in the next cycle.
02:05:36.000If you're not following me on Twitter or Truth or Instagram, go follow me in all those places because I use them all a little bit differently.
02:06:57.000Eventually... You just got to bring him into one of the bigger institutions and let him do his thing on scale.
02:07:03.000But that guy's all over the place, always fighting, registering voters, doing, I mean, honestly, so much more than so many of the establishment people in there.
02:07:21.000A little different format. I'm a little bit longer form.
02:07:23.000I rant a little bit more. What's sort of funny, and I pull it out of her on the show, it's like, Kim, with her show, she's so used to just, like, pro news, like, undefeated death penalty prosecutor, this kind of stuff.
02:08:36.000Whether it's me posting memes or whether it's whatever else it is, I literally try to give credit where I know, and then I get people pissed off, oh, he didn't tag me.
02:08:43.000I'm like, dude, I can have a meme that's sent to me.
02:08:46.000It's already blurry. It's been screenshot and forwarded so many times.
02:09:10.000But by the way, like I said, I've been complimentary of some of the things he said.
02:09:13.000But make no mistake, folks. Some of the things he's saying are so that the Democrats can use him to help parade Joe Biden around Pennsylvania next time around.
02:09:22.000So I say, hey, he's more based than some of the Republicans in the Senate.
02:09:34.000But there's no question on my mind That he's saying these things so that the Bidens can go around with him throughout Pennsylvania and he could be like, the moderate nice guy that helps Joe who's destroyed our state, our economy, our country, is getting us into wars, feel not like that.
02:09:51.000So, you know, if I joke about something, you know, and there's plenty to joke about with that one, but like, you know, Yeah, I don't understand.
02:10:00.000All of these things probably have a plan behind them.
02:10:43.000By the way, JD is the other guy that would be like, you know, would be another...
02:10:48.000I've said this on the show, obviously.
02:10:49.000He'd be another guy that would be like a top...
02:10:51.000You know, let him and Tucker fight it out for VP would be pretty amazing.
02:10:56.000JD's just been, you know, again, smart, gets it, functioned in the real world, successful business guy, like upbringing that, you know, literally from Appalachia.
02:11:06.000His book was one of my favorites. Hillbilly Elegy.
02:12:01.000I also like how he calls out the government waste really effectively.
02:12:04.000I actually, like, started working on a book about that just because I think it's so important for people just to understand just how stupid...
02:12:15.000Deadly dose of Laura Loomer and Laura Logan.
02:12:18.000I assume that was for press secretary.
02:12:20.000Listen, Laura Loomer, for at least a couple of weeks, she's an animal.
02:12:31.000Warn the press, and if they get a little too insane and too dishonest, which they can't help but do, you bring her back in for a week as punishment, that could be pretty fun.
02:12:41.000Have her be a revolving press secretary.
02:12:43.000Be like, okay, you guys are getting way over your skis with your bullshit.
02:12:54.000Yeah, and the Rand thing was interesting the other day, basically being like, hey, I'm never a Nicky because he understands where that goes.
02:17:07.000That start to creep back in, and it was like, oh no, because again, and he fired 80% of the thing, but the problem is the other 20 are probably still, for the most part, leftists, because that's what's made up in Silicon Valley.
02:17:19.000It's like, you know, if I put up a post today on Instagram, you know, the thing with, you know, that Elon put, which was the melee speech, and it was like a woman, like, Let's go.
02:18:12.000I put it up on Instagram and I'm literally like, if you don't take this down, your post and your reach will be limited and you'll be censored and you risk.
02:19:43.000Twitter 1.0 threw my father off when he was president of the United States.
02:19:46.000I was like, holy crap, I have a good following here.
02:19:48.000I got this. I got on Telegram and Rumble immediately just to try something.
02:19:53.000Telegram, I think it was the first American political figure or whatever it is, or American even, not celebrity, but pseudo-select, whatever the hell it is, to hit a million followers on Telegram.
02:20:06.000But I feel like Telegram has since sort of...
02:20:08.000I think with X and with this, when so many of the other apps that came out, I feel like they have a lesser following.
02:20:15.000I'm like a half of what I used to be because I just think there's fewer people on the site.
02:20:20.000But it went big right when all the Twitter banning started happening three years ago or whatever it is because I need a place to have a voice.
02:20:30.000Is that the name that pops up here a lot?
02:20:32.000He's like, hey man, you gotta meet Chris Pawlowski from Rumble.
02:20:35.000He's a good friend. Dan was number one.
02:20:37.000I think I was number two. Verified larger name, million plus follower type thing on other platforms on Rumble.
02:20:48.000I've stayed very involved and very loyal and turned down other things to do it on Rumble because I know that On anywhere else, like, I could be shut down in a second.
02:20:58.000By the way, did you guys... Like, I was on Tim Pool last week out of Iowa.
02:22:11.000So I got on Rumble because, like, it's legitimately...
02:22:15.000It's the only real free speech platform out there.
02:22:18.000I mean, even new Twitter, you know, well, in France or whatever, Turkey, they say we can't do this, so, you know, so we're going to accommodate so that we can get some message out.
02:22:27.000It's like, well, that's not really free speech.
02:22:29.000Like, you know, Chris was willing to be like, yeah, okay, well, don't show us in your country then.
02:22:41.000Let's see. Watching it on Real America.
02:22:43.000What are you watching on Real America?
02:22:47.000They take down the Christian football player.
02:22:49.000Oh, you see that one on NBC? He just said, you know, I forget what exactly he said, but he wanted to thank his Lord and Savior, like Jesus Christ.
02:22:56.000Oh, God forbid. You know, if you wanted to thank your Lord and Savior, Dylan Mulvaney, 100% fine.
02:23:05.000You see that video of that lunatic, like the CEO of United, like drag queen dancing in the streets, like pushing that, you know.
02:23:15.000Honestly, the flight crews are some of the best people in America to me.
02:23:19.000I assume the non-DEI pilots love me, but even the flight attendants and stuff like that, I can't get on a commercial plane, and I fly 95% commercial coach without getting a note from them and stuff like that.
02:23:32.000It's sort of amazing, but I'm looking at that CEO, and I'm like, What the hell is going on here?
02:24:30.000And you fly somewhere, you're delayed, you get stuck, you don't get paid for the delays, you don't get to go home every night because you're in some, you know, it could be cool to travel the world for a little bit.
02:24:37.000You do that for a career, man, it's a lot.
02:24:41.000So, you know, they are hardworking people.
02:24:46.000And, yeah, like 95% like ultra MAGA. It's sort of actually, like, literally I was going to say, other than law enforcement, it may be like the most MAGA demographic, which always shocks me.
02:24:59.000But I asked my brother, what do you think is the most?
02:25:01.000He goes, I'll fly to Chris. Like, I'm like, yeah, like I say, it's weird.
02:25:07.000So, you know that that's a big one Have a cue phone
02:25:13.000Can be seen on screen talking you Have a cue so far have I'm not sure what you mean cutter
02:25:24.000I could never do it. I used to fly 90% in your consulting days.
02:25:28.000I know, dude, it gets harder. As I get older, it gets even harder.
02:25:33.000What's that one? I know you'll be busy concussing with your dad.
02:25:42.000All right. Yeah, let's win the presidency and then I'll worry about going back to Australia.
02:25:46.000Like I said, I tried pretty hard, but it was like too many times.
02:25:48.000I'm like, he's coming. I'm like, we haven't even discussed it.
02:25:50.000What are you talking about? So we got to get it right because I don't want to do something and walk into something where, you know, I fly all the way over there and a bunch of people, like we had thousands of people that wanted to go to this land and they'd be like, but like, it wasn't going to happen.
02:26:02.000I was like, wait, wait, we can't do that.
02:26:04.000We got to, if we're going to do something right, I would never, I just don't want to do that to people.
02:26:10.000But yeah, listen, Australia needs some Trump.
02:26:14.000So does New Zealand, and so does Canada, and so does Ireland, and so does the UK, and all these other places we used to think of as bastions of freedom.
02:26:22.000Let's see. Comfort and joy, you have a good one.
02:26:27.000We'll see you soon. Stop the globalists.
02:26:42.000Now, you know, that's an interesting one, too.
02:26:44.000It's like, I don't know, this is someone they wanted to run, you know, to replace Joe Biden against my father as a Democrat, which I'm sure he probably is, but he's like, ah, Trump's policies were pretty right.
02:26:53.000He was right on this, he was right on China.
02:26:54.000I didn't love the way he said things, but I was like...
02:26:56.000Is that because he actually believes that, or is that because he sees the writing on the wall and he's worried what we do to banking?
02:27:05.000You never know. But it was interesting to see that.
02:27:12.000You could see the MSDNC hosts being like, I can't believe you would say that.
02:27:16.000Oh, you mean the booming economy was so terrible?
02:27:18.000Yeah. Oh, I'm not saying he's not a leftist.
02:27:22.000Don't kid yourself. I didn't say that, but it was the first time I saw, you know, let's call it a high-power leftist At Davos, at the World Economic Forum, actually be like, no, Trump was pretty right on a lot of things.
02:27:38.000The policies were working. Immigration.
02:27:39.000I mean, he called out immigration. I was like, wait a second.
02:28:31.000We used to text back and forth a little bit.
02:28:32.000I was going to go on a show. You know, Dana, I think, had set me up.
02:28:36.000And, you know, I'm friendly with Cam Haynes and John Dudley and a bunch of these guys that are on the show regularly.
02:28:39.000And they're like, oh, dude, you'd love Don.
02:28:41.000And, like, we were sort of talking about it and I was trying to schedule a time to possibly do it and then sort of Uh, you know, basically it got ghosted.
02:28:47.000And I get it. It doesn't want to deal with the bullshit, uh, you know, that, that comes with that.
02:28:51.000But it was sort of an interesting one, you know, when Dana's like, Hey, dude, you, you, you'd really like Don.
02:28:55.000Like you should, I was like, no, dude, I was, I, you know, we were talking about when I could get out there and doing it.
02:29:00.000And then it just sort of, uh, disappeared.
02:30:06.000He sees the BS. He's calling it out, and I think that's important.
02:30:10.000Again, I'm sure there'd be plenty of things in politics we don't necessarily agree on, but I think it's important to have even a moderate voice In pop culture, because, you know, I don't think...
02:30:29.000So, you know, and again, yeah, Rogan's a lefty.
02:30:32.000Yeah, maybe. But, like, if you're a leftist and you may not agree with everything, but you're still willing to call out the nonsense, what it is, rather than, like, no, Joe Biden, he's 81 million votes.
02:31:22.000I'll never be blue-collar Don, and that's fine.
02:31:24.000I don't care. But, you know, they wanted to sell that to middle America, just like they told you, no, we've never canceled our pipeline, but they did on day one, right?
02:31:33.000So as long as you're willing to call it out, even if you lean one way or don't agree with me on everything or don't agree with the conservative platform on everything, like, that's sort of the nature of America.
02:32:52.000He goes, listen, Don, if door knocking were the only thing that mattered, the Jehovah's Witnesses would be the most popular religion in the world.
02:33:01.000And I was like, hey, I think the Jehovah's Witnesses could be great, but it was kind of funny.
02:33:15.000This is what happens when I go for two and a half hours.
02:33:18.000But it was actually sort of a funny point, which is, yeah, just because you go through the paces doesn't mean people are going to be into what you're always selling.
02:33:27.000So that was an important point to make.
02:34:02.000Okay, only climate crisis could be dumb enough.
02:34:07.000Only climate cultists could be dumb enough to vote for RFK. Yeah, just so you, like, hey, I know the guy, I've met him before, seems nice, like, whatever, but, like, he's literally, like, a rabid leftist that happens to be anti-vax.
02:34:21.000And maybe that's a big one, but honestly, like, given that we're, like, nuclear war, like, you know, he wants open borders, he wants to ban the Second Amendment, he wants, you know, he hates farmers.
02:34:40.000They change everything? Like, no, you just didn't know what my father was feeling.
02:34:42.000You've been in politics your whole life.
02:34:44.000Like, there's a difference. You didn't just change everything you believe in the last six months.
02:34:49.000And, like, magically, you know, and I saw it because, you know, the more biased platforms, you know, I was seeing it on Instagram a lot.
02:34:57.000Every other post was RFK from people I don't follow.
02:34:59.000They were literally trying to create, look, it's another Trump.
02:35:04.000I'm like, yeah, except for every policy is the opposite.
02:35:10.000Understand that that was a PSYOP. By the Democrat Party.
02:35:15.000It continues to be. So I hope he gets on every ballot and I hope that everyone realizes he is a full-blown leftist and I hope they vote accordingly because maybe it draws some votes away from Joe Biden because he shouldn't be taking any conservative votes unless you couldn't care less about literally anything other than Other than the Vax, which is a big one for May, but it's not relative to, hey, we're going to be sent to the gulags if this continues, or free speech, or the Second Amendment, or our border closing it down, or...
02:35:49.000Not mandating ridiculous environmental policies that would destroy our economy, our middle class, our manufacturing sector, and send it all to China, who's going to do nothing about the environment and continue to, you know, the scourge and pillage of the earth.
02:37:33.000And as Vivek really pointed out, like...
02:37:36.000Your 401k is probably being invested by those guys, but they're voting your shares the way they want to vote, not the way you want to vote, and that's a big difference.
02:37:43.000We've got to be aware of these things.
02:37:45.000That's why we've got to start, again, voting with our wallets, whether it's using Public Square, whether it's using Patriot Mobile for your phone, these kinds of things, supporting the sponsors of shows like this.
02:37:54.000Stop giving your money to the people that hate you.
02:38:00.000I'm going to get in trouble for my team because we're all hungry and I haven't even eaten yet today because my day started a little bit rough with a funeral.
02:38:06.000So I'm getting a little late and it's almost nine.
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