Devin is a former Congressman from California and the head of the Intelligence Committee. He was a leading warrior against the Russia Collusion Hoax and uncovered abuses of the justice system to spy on the 2016 Trump campaign. Devin is now the CEO of TruthSocial and fighting against liberal censorship online each and every day. This is one of those episodes where you re gonna learn a lot about how the swamp works behind the scenes. Devin was one of the only people to get all of Russia, Russia, and Russia right. He and Kash Patel, a regular and friend of the show, uncovered all of the nonsense that we re seeing played out. They ve been vilified and tried to go after him. And yet... he s the only one that was actually telling the truth. He s the one that actually got it right. Triggered is a show about freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of justice for all people. It s about human dignity, and it s about time we stop cowering to leftist ideas and start standing up for what s good for us and our families! Don t miss it! Subscribe today using our podcast s promo code TRiggered at checkout to receive 20% off your first pack! You ll get 10% off the entire pack when you place your first purchase when you become a patron! If you like the show and want to support it, HIT SUBSCRIBE! We re giving it 5 stars and get 5% off their first pack, and they get 20% OFF for the rest of the month, they get 25% off for the month! That s a special offer, too get it all they can choose it, they also get the whole deal, they can get it through the entire place they get a course and they also receive 5% discount, they receive it gets it gets the whole place they also gets it they get it starts, they will get it they also they get 3% they get the entire deal and they receive that they get an ad discount and they will also get it s she gets a promo code, she gets it she s she s a course that she s all she gets, they s a deal, she s not only she s gonna get it she gets that deal and she s just she s $5 she s she s that s she says it s a whole place she s they s she has a deal she s only she gets she s at it, she also gets a whole she s, they she s even she s t she s it s they s not just she she s actually gets it all she s really she s saying it s not she s her she sot she s truly she s v she s , she s s she is she seeded it s t , they s really s they really s s t is that s t really s she really s t t she really is, she really has it s truly s that s not that s really that s truly is she is, they really is that , they really she is.
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00:04:15.000The fight to take over the school birds down by Dallas where people were outraged that leftist lunatics weren't deciding what happens to your children.
00:04:49.000And congratulations on your Rumble show.
00:04:51.000I think you, you know, I was one of the first guys to go to Rumble, and you were probably the first person outside of a member of Congress to come on Rumble, and so it's an honor to be with you.
00:05:01.000Yeah, you know what? It's interesting. I always said I was the first guy after Dan Bongino, but you actually may have, you may have beaten me there.
00:05:08.000I may be third. Yeah, you know, it's an interesting story, actually.
00:05:15.000When I was in Congress, it was actually Dan Bongino who helped me to find Rumble, but it's an interesting turn of events.
00:05:22.000I had a little podcast, because as you were saying, you know, the fake news, I had to have a way to get around the fake news.
00:05:28.000So I started up a little audio podcast, and I got a call from Bongino, and he said, hey, he says, you're doing really well on this little podcast.
00:05:36.000You should, you ever hear of something called YouTube?
00:05:39.000So I said, yeah, you know, I had a little account, hadn't used it much.
00:05:42.000So I started posting on YouTube at Dan Bongino's suggestion.
00:05:47.000And then after like a few episodes, I realized that I was being shadow banned by YouTube.
00:05:52.000And I called Dan and I said, Dan, I said, this isn't working.
00:05:58.000He says, oh yeah, you know, they do that sometime, but we really don't have an alternative.
00:06:01.000And that's when I went out and I told my team, look, let's just go find a video player anywhere.
00:06:06.000And so I actually am the one who found Rumble.
00:06:09.000And then, of course, Dan Bongino, thank God, because then he came on, promoted it, and I think really helped it to make it the company that it is today, where it truly is the only free speech platform, because we know what YouTube does.
00:06:22.000And of course, It's so important to our company, True Social, because we're the communications architecture.
00:06:29.000We're allowing people to talk to one another.
00:06:31.000But thankfully, Rumble is providing that backbone, that infrastructure on both video and cloud and our advertising platform.
00:06:40.000So it's just great to see Rumble thrive and to have folks like you that are putting on a show a couple times a week.
00:06:48.000Well, yeah, I mean, way before Truth Social ever, you know, like I said, I got in there involved through Dan and everything like that with Chris Pavlosky.
00:06:55.000And, you know, I stayed on the platform, you know, early.
00:06:58.000I was just doing a lot of the short form stuff that I had and, you know, got to a pretty solid following for what was then a fledgling, you know, sort of platform.
00:07:07.000And I didn't go to the others because it is a lot of work to actually build a platform, to build a following, only to wake up You know, one day to be like, oh, you're off.
00:07:17.000And I've been on some of the other big podcasts out there that they're hosting on YouTube.
00:07:21.000They're like, you're not allowed to say this.
00:07:24.000It's been proven. I know it doesn't matter.
00:07:25.000And if you do, we're going to get, you know, we're on our second strike, so we're going to get thrown off.
00:07:30.000It's actually insane to me that people would still go, certainly if you're actually talking about, you know, politics.
00:07:37.000Or, you know, science or this, where you have that heavy weight of, you don't actually have to be right.
00:07:46.000You're just not even allowed to go against that grain, even if it's asinine, right?
00:07:51.000You know, we talked about all the things, you know, Wuhan lab leak theory, all the things that you would have been thrown off of YouTube in two seconds.
00:07:57.000Yeah. I know they did a lot to you back in the day when you were talking about Russia, Russia, Russia, but you were the head of the Intelligence Committee.
00:08:08.000I don't see and I didn't see when the Democrats took Congress and Adam Schiff became head of the Intelligence Committee, he could lie to the American people For years, he's still perpetuating those same lies.
00:08:23.000They've been disproven. There's reports between Mueller and Durham discounting all of that.
00:08:29.000And yet nothing seems to happen to that kind of programming.
00:08:41.000You were in a position of power to know the truth.
00:08:45.000And yet none of that seems to actually matter.
00:08:48.000Yeah, the way that that all happened and kind of the way that I ended up at True Social is because we were successfully, even though the fake news was just continually talking about Russia, and even though I had come out in early 2017 and said, look, I don't see any evidence of Russia and Trump or Russia and Republicans.
00:09:11.000I just don't see it. And, you know, I had long been a Russian hawk, had long been warning about Putin.
00:09:17.000And now, Don, you got to think about the timeline here that we're talking about.
00:09:53.000I mean, it is ridiculous that we're talking about something that happened that started in 2017.
00:09:58.000But really, it started in 2014 and 15 when I was on the Intelligence Committee, became chairman.
00:10:05.000And the Obama-Biden administration was not doing anything about Putin.
00:10:10.000Nothing. So you can imagine in 2016...
00:10:15.000After the election, we get a briefing, our normal briefing that we get after every election, and it was a normal briefing, Don.
00:10:24.000It was just, hey, this country did that, this country did that.
00:10:28.000Yeah, they're all playing games, but nothing to see here.
00:10:33.000Then I go home for Thanksgiving in 2016, and then there's a leak, a leak from the Senate Intelligence Committee that they had just received a briefing from the FBI. Now, keep in mind, the same people that had just briefed me a week before have now briefed the Senate.
00:11:05.000I'm like, I don't know what you guys are talking about.
00:11:07.000I haven't seen anything to do with Russia.
00:11:10.000And I had received a few calls during the campaign from some kooky reporters that said, you know, asked about the Russia stuff.
00:11:16.000And now it's easy to go back and look to see how the Clinton campaign planted it, what the FBI was doing.
00:11:23.000You have Mike Morrell, all of these guys that were participating in this hoax.
00:11:28.000But then in a record amount of time, basically in the month of December, during a transition, do you remember the term, the ICA, the Intelligence Community Assessment?
00:11:42.000Yeah. And then fast forward, and keep in mind, you've got Christmas, you've got New Year's.
00:11:54.000I mean, you had the whole bureaucracy, Don.
00:11:56.000I mean, they didn't celebrate Christmas. Bureaucracy doesn't work on holidays.
00:11:59.000Let's not kid ourselves. Even the intelligence bureaucracy, these people are not exactly workers.
00:12:03.000They magically crank this stuff out, right?
00:13:31.000I don't know. It seemed like it leaked right away, but it might have been.
00:13:36.000But it was definitely within 48 hours.
00:13:38.000And, of course, everybody goes crazy over what is known as the Steele dossier.
00:13:44.000For those of you, that's also known as the pee tape.
00:13:47.000And anyone who actually knows my father, like...
00:13:50.000You know, my father's basically a germaphobe.
00:13:53.000You know what I mean? So when I read about, you know, the allegations of the pee tape, I'm like, I don't know, man.
00:14:00.000Like, he's reluctant to shake people's hands.
00:14:03.000I'm pretty sure he's not doing that with prostitutes.
00:14:06.000Like, when I say pretty sure, I mean like one billion percent sure.
00:14:11.000Yeah. And Don, it was ridiculous because then you go through that dossier, and I had been looking at intelligence reports, you know, that time, 15 years.
00:14:21.000And I said, guys, this is not an intelligence report.
00:14:25.000What's here? What, you know, what is this?
00:14:27.000This is because it was... A lot of that stuff in that dossier would take, you know, a line agent at the FBI, or even, you know, kind of a local investigator at your local police department, would quickly be able to look at it and say, okay, this is not intelligence.
00:14:43.000It read like a poorly written spy novel, which really, what it actually, well, I think what it actually was, it was based on Hunter Biden.
00:15:15.000I'm curious to see how far the degeneracy goes there.
00:15:18.000But by the way, that's so in line with everything the Democrats do.
00:15:22.000I mean, that's the... You know, Saul Alinsky rules for radicals.
00:15:26.000Like, accuse them of doing the things that you're actually doing.
00:15:30.000And when we see the Hunter Biden tapes, I've actually never thought of it that way, but that sounds like it'd be 100% right.
00:15:37.000We just, you know, accuse them of the most degeneracy stuff.
00:15:40.000That way, if and when we get caught, it's like, oh, it's a lie because we caught them doing it first, even if they weren't actually doing anything.
00:15:59.000These were ones that actually I don't think ever really made it out to the public.
00:16:02.000You might be able to find them on the internet somewhere, but they were about your father.
00:16:07.000And they were all about ties to Russian oligarchs and business guys and blah, blah, blah.
00:16:14.000And of course, it looked ridiculous and it was ridiculous.
00:16:17.000There's no truth to it. But those were written in early 2016.
00:16:21.000And at some point, and you may remember when your father, during that you were on the campaign then, remember when your father put out, oh, I'm announcing some foreign policy advisors.
00:16:31.000And it was, you know, You feel bad for these guys now, but like Waleed Ferris, who was just a gentleman and a good guy, General Mike Flynn.
00:16:40.000Of course, Carter Page was on there and George Papadopoulos.
00:16:46.000And right after that, a month or two after that, is when all of a sudden the Steele dossiers start to come out.
00:16:54.000And look, this was created by the Clinton team, right?
00:17:21.000You know, we're just going to cross out this name and we'll put a Trump personality in
00:17:25.000Just mix and match, mix and match, down the line, and all of a sudden, we've transformed the dossier 100% from Joe Biden.
00:17:33.000Honestly, I'm actually shocked I haven't put that together, but you're right.
00:17:36.000I mean, this was during the time of the Hunter Biden no-show jobs.
00:17:40.000Like, you know, what was, like, seriously, like, what was Hunter doing to earn, like, almost $100,000 a month in Ukraine at an energy company?
00:18:42.000And through all of that, with the most powerful tools of our government, With framing people, setting them up, you fast forward into 2017, and I come out and say, hey, I haven't seen anything to do with Trump and Russia.
00:19:00.000I mean, I haven't seen one piece of intelligence, nothing.
00:19:04.000But the only thing I have seen that's illegal, completely illegal, is the leak of General Flynn talking to a Russian ambassador.
00:19:14.000And, you know, of course they would say...
00:19:16.000People tried to make that seem like it's collusion, but, like, Flynn was going to be in that position.
00:19:21.000Like, that's the relationship he needed to have.
00:19:23.000And when we... You know, I didn't know Carter Page as well.
00:19:26.000I don't... The other characters in this, but I always say sort of the biggest regret I had of that whole...
00:19:33.000This lie cycle was actually not being more vocal in support of Flynn, because even me at the time, again, we're not going now where I have exactly zero faith in FBI leadership, in CIA leadership, in DOJ leadership.
00:19:52.000They are scumbags that are just totally politicized.
00:21:28.000So now we're talking February of 2017, and Pence is going crazy, and it says Flynn lied to him and all this stuff.
00:21:39.000And I just, look, I met General Flynn.
00:21:44.000In 2006, he was our nation's top, best leading intelligence officer.
00:21:50.000I met him in Iraq. If it wasn't for General Flynn and the team he assembled, I mean, that guy single-handedly built the intelligence systems that went out and got really bad guys like Zarqawi.
00:22:00.000It really turned the war around in Iraq and Afghanistan.
00:22:04.000So you're telling me here's a guy, and the evidence you have, you're smearing him left and right, and the evidence you have is something that is clearly leaked.
00:22:13.000On a phone call of him talking to the Russian ambassador, which Flynn, as you know, Don, I was actually on the transition team at the time as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, and I was talking to Flynn all the time.
00:22:31.000I was handling all these, you know, everybody under the sun because nobody expected your father to win.
00:22:36.000So they're all, you know, all the foreign embassies in Washington, D.C., which, by the way, if you have an embassy in Washington, D.C., the purpose of the embassy is to build relations with the people in Washington, D.C. that work for the United States government.
00:22:50.000Right. To have open lines of communication so you don't get into wars and things of that nature.
00:22:56.000So the idea that one of our biggest adversaries, Russia, would not be working overtime to try to open up some doors and have communications with somebody like General Flynn, the incoming national security advisor, is just preposterous.
00:23:12.000And all of the fake news in Washington, D.C. knew it.
00:23:14.000And I said in February, I said, the only Thing that I've seen illegal through all of this Russian nonsense that, you know, by that time it seemed like an eternity, but it had only been, you know, I don't know, a month or so, a month and a half.
00:23:27.000So the only thing illegal is whoever the scumbags are of the intelligence officials and FBI officials and former Obama officials that leaked information that clearly must have come from a phone call picked up probably by our intelligence services.
00:23:42.000And in any normal world, I guarantee you, if that happened today, let's just say that there was a leak of Chris Wray, the FBI director, talking to the CIA director, and say that phone call leaked out, or say they were talking to some embassy somewhere, I don't know, pick a country, let's just say Australia.
00:24:04.000And if that leaked out today, the same thing that happened to Flynn, There would be hundreds, if not thousands of federal agents roaming through the entire United States, but especially in our nation's capital.
00:24:19.000They would be arresting the Washington Post reporters that would have leaked that information out.
00:24:27.000You look back at that, and that's really the most obvious sign of a two-tiered justice system, that you have these major leagues of an incoming administration.
00:24:38.000Not a damn thing happens to them, but I guarantee you, if it happened today to any Democrat, to this administration, I mean, look, for God's sakes, they tipped off Hunter Biden before they were going to go and get some storage unit in Washington, D.C. The DOJ tipped him off before it happened.
00:24:56.000I think the bigger part of it, to sort of further my last point, was not only that, but then they bring these guys in for questioning.
00:25:05.000And they assume they're doing the right thing.
00:25:24.000Prepping for the testimony, they went in there, did the right thing, and they forgot about a conversation that happened three, five months prior to that, whatever it may have been.
00:25:33.000That was totally insignificant, but it wasn't that the conversation was significant.
00:25:37.000It's that if you didn't remember it, we got you.
00:25:40.000That's perjury. They tried doing that to me.
00:25:42.000On the date of whatever it was, they're like, well, who called you at 3.07 p.m.
00:25:48.000from an unknown number? My dad had an unknown number, shockingly, right?
00:25:51.000They're like, oh, it must have been him.
00:25:53.000You must have relayed the information.
00:25:55.000Well, it turns out they subpoenaed the phone company.
00:25:58.000They did all this. But I didn't remember who called me at 302 on June 15th, like two years earlier.
00:26:10.000I had to have known. Turns out it was just a buddy of mine once they subpoenaed the records and went through the whole process.
00:26:16.000But an entire news cycle was dedicated to, I lied because I obviously knew who called me at a very specific time, literally two years prior.
00:26:26.000Like, I don't know, I get 50 phone calls a day.
00:26:30.000I was being genuine, but that was the big, the walls are closing in nonsense.
00:26:34.000So that's, whenever they supposedly got anyone, it was because those people, rather than lawyering up, Rather than putting up every wall, actually went in there in good faith and tried to work with them.
00:26:46.000But good faith needs to work both ways.
00:26:49.000And I think they assumed that was the case, and it clearly wasn't.
00:26:53.000Well, they were just making things up.
00:26:56.000If you look back at that, I remember that day that you came down into the...
00:27:01.000For your deposition in the SCIF, in the House Intelligence Committee.
00:27:07.000And you came down there, there's, you know, 400 frickin' fake news press people out there.
00:27:12.000And before you could even go out to go to the bathroom, like you came in for the first few hours, and then like you went out to go to the bathroom or get something to eat or, you know, I don't even know what it was.
00:27:23.000But by that point, They had already leaked things from your interview, they meaning the Democrats, had already leaked things from your interview that, by the way, didn't happen.
00:27:33.000Once again, it was partially based on the truth.
00:27:59.000So it looked like I had the classified WikiLeaks stuff six days before the entire world, rather than when I actually got it, which was four days after.
00:28:12.000It's like, no, I didn't see the largest news story in the world right now for four days.
00:28:18.000I missed it. But they literally, that was like a gotcha moment.
00:28:21.000And they literally doctored and altered my emails, which actually is pretty much on par with what Schiff has done to others, perhaps even yourself.
00:28:31.000Yeah, so that's the, well, yeah, he released my phone records, too.
00:28:59.000They at least did a better job than Biden.
00:29:03.000They set up a legal framework so that they could take in money from all of these foreign adversaries.
00:29:08.000But you knew they were getting tons and tons of money from all of our adversaries.
00:29:12.000The second she didn't win, their donations dropped off to almost nothing.
00:29:16.000It was like hundreds of millions, nothing.
00:29:19.000I mean, it shows you just how much of a scam all of this stuff is.
00:29:23.000And yet again, the press doesn't care.
00:29:25.000No one cares. Well, if they're doing good work internationally, there's the billion dollars in Haiti that didn't build a single home and all those kinds of things.
00:29:34.000They're getting all this international money from Russia when, you know, she's going to win.
00:30:09.000And now we're finding out that they were taking what appears to be $20 or $30 million, at least that the Republicans in Congress have found.
00:30:18.000Mm-hmm. And then let's talk about your good friend Adam Schiff, who doctored up the emails to basically frame you, just like the FBI did to Carter Page and Papadopoulos and everybody else.
00:30:31.000Adam Schiff, the only guy that we know that tried to get dirt on his political opponents from Russia, was Adam Schiff.
00:30:43.000And the fake news will never report on it.
00:31:21.000I mean, Adam Schiff is the only one who tried to get information from Russians that we know of.
00:31:27.000Yeah. Well, we had Anna Paulina Luna on last week, talking about her censuring Adam Schiff, and he got on the floor, I guess it was like last Thursday, and was like, well, Donald Trump Jr.
00:31:55.000The people we were actually talking about were Russian real estate developers that we'd actually looked at doing buildings with because we were actually a real estate company.
00:32:02.000I actually passed on doing deals with them.
00:32:04.000I didn't like the way the deal ended up being, but these were real people, and that's how business is conducted.
00:32:14.000Adam Schiff was on the Intelligence Committee of the United States of America and fell for shock jocks, but he can still go now, six years later, seven years later, knowing all of this and be like, Don Jr.
00:32:26.000did this? I mean, the irony and just the total lack of self-awareness is truly spectacular, but to your point, you're 100% right.
00:32:40.000He's seen the this. It's all bullshit.
00:32:44.000Not one person outside of guys like us on places like this would even say it.
00:32:51.000If you said that on YouTube, you'd probably be thrown off because they'd figure out some sort of technicality You know, you put the comma in the wrong spot in the inflection in your voice, and therefore we're not going to do it, or they'll just smother it to make sure that it has no reach.
00:33:03.000But this guy could also be a United States senator, and it's all based on lies.
00:33:09.000Yeah. But it shows you where we've come to this point in this country where the institutions are collapsing.
00:33:19.000And we're in this very dangerous place.
00:33:23.000You and I could talk about all the stuff at Mar-a-Lago and all the crazy stuff that's going on with the Department of Justice.
00:33:28.000But big picture here is this, that the media is the propaganda arm
00:33:36.000for the left and the Democratic Party.
00:33:39.000And last week, there's not a better example than what we saw last week.
00:34:10.000And they were attacking Kevin McCarthy on the floor of the house.
00:34:12.000I mean, like, what planet are we in where a guy gets censored for lying, using his position, lying for, for year, year after year after year?
00:34:21.000Yeah. And then he's still willing, like you just said, to go out there and repeat the same lies again, knowing that he's the one that got caught.
00:34:28.000Yeah, and they're not saying, like, no, no, no, he didn't say those things, or here's some nuance that makes it accurate.
00:34:35.000Like, he lied to the American public daily.
00:34:38.000He said, I had committed treason, a crime punishable by death, minor details.
00:36:32.000was taking money from the mayor of Moscow and from an oil company in Ukraine and from the Chinese Communist Party, and he was telling President Trump about it, I'll be the first to talk about it.
00:36:43.000Oh, wait a second. That really did happen, but it wasn't to your family.
00:36:51.000I mean, those links alone would have been, to me, incredibly damaging, probably totally disqualifying from my father as president, impeachment worthy.
00:37:01.000And no one's even asking the question.
00:37:03.000I mean, we are, Devin, according to even the Biden administration, we're on the verge of World War III, the closest we've been since the Cuban Missile Crisis, with Russia.
00:37:15.000No one's even asking, like, hey, do you think some of our, like, anti-Russia, pro-Ukraine policy is based on the fact that maybe they've got, maybe someone has more dirt on the Bidens, on the pay-to-play scheme on this?
00:37:28.000And we're literally conducting and giving away hundreds of billions of dollars to cover up A crime?
00:37:37.000And, like, based on all of the facts, based on all of the information that we literally know is out there has been verified, that no one could reasonably explain, like, why Hunter's getting this kind of money, like, the fact that no one in the media is even willing to ask the question of, like, hey, are we on the verge of World War III to cover up these crimes?
00:37:57.000Yeah. And they were just like, no, no, no, it's fine, Ukraine.
00:37:59.000I'll put a little flag in my emoji and we're pro-Ukraine.
00:38:03.000These are people who couldn't have found Ukraine on a map two years ago.
00:38:09.000And you've got the fact that All of this has now been exposed.
00:38:14.000And every day they're making themselves look more and more ridiculous.
00:38:17.000And I think that's the point where we are in our country today.
00:38:30.000Even three, four, five years ago, what we're doing right now couldn't exist or didn't exist because...
00:38:36.000Essentially, Fox News had a monopoly on the cable market.
00:38:41.000You had Rush Limbaugh, you had Mark Levin, you had Sean Hannity.
00:38:46.000And that's basically, that's where people receive their information on the right.
00:38:53.000Well, now all of a sudden, there are some, I don't know, there's probably 250, maybe 300 legitimate sources for information now that are coming via these podcasts and things like this that just a few years ago didn't exist.
00:39:09.000So the more they have tried to smother us, We're good to go.
00:39:35.000People would go to Facebook, they'd go to Instagram, they'd go to Twitter, and they'd start putting stuff out there.
00:39:41.000Now, as you know, a lot of it is not true, but they would come up with creative, like, oh my God, we didn't think about this.
00:39:47.000Or, you know, a lot of times people say, hey, back in the day, I worked with You know, this FBI agent, I think he was working on this and then boom, like we'd have a lead.
00:39:56.000And so now this has gone like, like, you know, we went from, you know, 10-15 miles an hour.
00:40:02.000Now we're traveling at like 300 miles an hour because there's all of this information that's now getting out.
00:40:08.000People are getting more and more views.
00:40:10.000Yeah. It's not just reliant on Fox News and the big radio hosts anymore.
00:40:15.000Yeah, and we've even seen conservative mainstream media censor or cover up these things.
00:40:20.000Again, they've got advertisers that they answer to.
00:40:24.000Those advertisers aren't exactly on our side.
00:40:26.000I mean, I think... You know, that's perhaps what we've seen, which is like, they're just as bad at, you know, maybe not just as bad, but pretty close to just as bad on some of the big issues as the left.
00:40:38.000And they're just not willing to engage in that.
00:40:40.000Or, like so many of your sort of, you know, former, you know, rhino colleagues in Washington, D.C., they may know, but, you know, man, it's not worth the headache.
00:40:49.000If I say this, I'm going to get the Washington Post hit piece on me.
00:40:56.000That's still seen as a credible source of information where it actually isn't.
00:41:00.000You look at the discrepancy between the raid of Mar-a-Lago, and according to the whistleblower, they wanted to go look at Joe Biden's house, and people are leaking to the Biden lawyers, hey, this is coming, so just take care of it, don't worry about it. That would have been a really big deal.
00:41:19.000In fact, they're trying to throw my father in jail for 450 years because of these things, but they're going to leak...
00:41:26.000The Biden raid, with actual fire, without the ability to have, at the time, declassified anything.
00:41:35.000It's not even like it's close, and yet my father could face 450 years in prison, and Hunter Biden gets to let his lawyers go burn the documents.
00:41:44.000And it's like, that's okay. Nothing to see here.
00:41:48.000If your dad would have just decided to go play golf and not run, none of this would be happening, but we wouldn't know any of this.
00:41:58.000There wouldn't be things like True Social that are out there, Rumble.
00:42:02.000There wouldn't be some 250, 300 now legitimate podcasters, people out there doing investigations, doing interviews like you are.
00:42:11.000And, you know, I even do it, you know, once a week, too, you know, because I still kept my podcast.
00:42:15.000And now we feature true social, you know, true social users on that podcast.
00:42:21.000This wouldn't exist if it wouldn't have been for your, I always tell people, your dad kind of has just pulled the, just ripped the Band-Aid off.
00:42:29.000And he's exposing all of these people.
00:42:33.000And I was so, one of the most frustrating people Things that I had that I dealt with in Washington my last few years there was, and you just kind of mentioned it, it was my colleague's just inability to understand that when a fake news person, which most of them in the Capitol are fake news, when they come up to you, you don't have to talk to them.
00:42:59.000Yeah. And you don't have to be bullied, by the way.
00:43:02.000You can actually do what your constituency elected you to do, but that's the problem.
00:43:36.000And if you look, you know, I would get up in these, you know, private closed door meetings with my Republican colleagues and I would say, guys, why are you talking to, you know, this reporter, that reporter?
00:43:48.000And they say, well, we have to appeal to the people in the middle.
00:43:52.000I'm like, okay, let me put it a different way.
00:43:55.000Would you walk over to the Democratic National Committee and sit down with five of the best trial lawyers and litigators in the country for a deposition?
00:44:05.000Would you do that? Well, no, of course not, Devin.
00:44:08.000You're doing that. When you walk outside of this room right now and you see five people, these are paid assassins that are only here to target you, either to get you or to get you to say something stupid.
00:44:19.000And, you know, what I just, you know, I would just start at the end.
00:44:23.000I mean, well, actually, it started in 2017.
00:45:05.000Well, I worry about, in the grand scheme of things, the United States is going to be fine, okay, because we're a democratic republic.
00:45:13.000Maybe it's better to be lucky than good, but we have these 50 states, and as you know, there's a stark difference now between New York City and Florida, or Washington, D.C. and Oklahoma.
00:45:56.000We need 50,000 votes from that market.
00:45:58.000Congratulations. You know, Joe Biden can lose 18 of 19 bellwethers, but still manage to magically, magically outperform Barack Obama in 08 in Atlanta.
00:46:17.000Even if you do, then you're branded up right.
00:46:19.000You're thrown off every platform imaginable.
00:46:21.000You're never given another soapbox to speak from.
00:46:24.000I think this is where a place like Truth can come in because the people who've been proven right about this, whether it's about Wuhan, whether it's about election stuff, whether it's about all these things, can continue to talk.
00:46:35.000Man, these things have been going on for a while.
00:46:39.000Perhaps the greatest success of the Trump presidency was putting this all out in the open.
00:46:43.000Now everyone who's willing to look can see just how flagrant it is, just how biased it is.
00:46:51.000I don't know. It feels like it's continuing and not a lot of changing.
00:46:55.000There's a point when you look at the rights they want to infringe upon, there's a point that once you give up, there's no coming back from it.
00:47:03.000And man, if we're not on the Rubicon, we're certainly not too far to this side of it.
00:47:22.000This is, and if my former colleagues and people in America, I think that generally the average American that pays attention, that's watching this and watching some 300 different podcasters getting their information from places other than the fake news, They know this is wrong.
00:47:39.000I mean, my God, Don, I'm getting calls from people.
00:47:42.000I mean, every time your dad gets arrested, I'm taking calls from people that I used to work with in my former life, people from foreign countries, saying, did this really just happen in America?
00:47:55.000Like, what the hell are you guys doing there?
00:48:10.000I mean, your dad had a funny line last weekend.
00:48:14.000Where he was, I think he was at the Faith and Freedom Coalition, and it's kind of, it's sad, but funny at the same time, that your dad's probably the first person in history that has been indicted twice, arrested twice, and his poll numbers have went up.
00:48:34.000Now, that's happening because people know this is wrong.
00:48:43.000When Donald Trump started going up in the polls, it was when the raid on Mar-a-Lago happened.
00:48:50.000Wow. That's when he really started because people said enough is enough.
00:48:53.000And I can tell you just, you know, now I've seen people that, and you know, you know, the type of folks, I mean, obviously your dad has this huge, MAGA is the biggest political movement in modern history, you know, and I say modern, like the last hundred years, there's nothing that compares to this political movement.
00:49:12.000But what I've seen breaking over the last month or so have been people that have said, well, you know, even though your dad hasn't tweeted in freaking years, you know, oh, he was mean on this, he was mean on that.
00:49:28.000Maybe we should go with somebody that is nicer.
00:49:33.000You know the people. I always ask, what are the policies you didn't like?
00:49:46.000Which one? Because I don't think there's literally a single metric, economic or otherwise, where we're better off now.
00:49:53.000You mentioned the faith and freedom event.
00:49:55.000Those people in Joe Biden's America and under Joe Biden's DOJ are considered domestic terrorists because those are the mothers that would go to a PTA meeting and be like I don't need my children indoctrinated with trans BS or BLM nonsense or whatever it may be.
00:50:13.000But the people flashing children at all these drag shows, they're not for children, but if the children can't attend, we're not going to host it.
00:50:22.000We're told that. This is the social justice issue of the century, according to Joe Biden.
00:50:27.000I mean, who's actually representing real Americans anymore in D.C.? Right, right.
00:50:33.000Well, and that's my point, is that between the crazy, weird trans stuff that nobody understands, between the economy, between how we look overseas, and then the arrest of the primary political opponent of the administration, I'm seeing these people who are now finally waking up.
00:50:52.000You know, they're conservative generally, but they don't really pay attention too much to politics.
00:50:58.000Now you're seeing your father now, people are saying, oh, wait a second.
00:51:05.000And that's why I believe your dad's poll numbers are going up because I think people are waking up to the fact that That this can't go on, and who's the only guy that can fix it?
00:51:16.000And I believe, you know, because you asked me a question, how can you, can it be fixed?
00:51:19.000Look, it's going to be very difficult, but I can tell you that, and I know almost all the candidates that are running, you know, I've known many of them for a long time, and I can tell you that the only guy, this is going to be a tough thing to fix, because you've got to have somebody who's willing to go in there and flip up all the tools.
00:51:34.000Yeah, that's the difference. Not just tell you you're going to do it, but then actually do it once you're given the ability.
00:51:39.000And now with Trump with the inside knowledge, Yeah, I get that.
00:51:43.000I was with your dad last week, and he just didn't...
00:51:50.000And I think you mentioned it earlier on the show here today, that you go to Washington, your dad was a New York business guy, and he just thinks that...
00:52:02.000Well, you know, Jeff Sessions has been a senator for a long time.
00:52:09.000Your dad was being loyal to him to put him in the position of DOJ. But then you realize, and this is no attack on Jeff Sessions, but I do think it's an important point to make here, kind of back on what we were talking about.
00:52:24.000Think about what they had on Jeff Sessions.
00:52:27.000Jeff Sessions, you know, Comey and what other dipshit walk into Sessions' office and say, We think we have you.
00:52:52.000But instead, and they made a big deal about this, and think how ridiculous this is.
00:52:57.000They found Jeff Sessions, the former senator, in 2016 at some point, was at an event in Washington, D.C. with hundreds of people, of which the Russian ambassador was there, Don.
00:53:08.000Now, do you know how many times I was with the Russian ambassador?
00:53:12.000I used to say this to the news, the fake news.
00:53:15.000I said, well, I saw the Russian ambassador numerous times.
00:53:17.000Oh, you did? Yeah, at this state dinner, at this State of the Union.
00:53:21.000Matter of fact, it was at the White House where Obama was there, too.
00:53:24.000I mean, are you going to arrest Obama because the Russian ambassador was there?
00:53:27.000So you had – your dad thought a guy like Jeff Sessions knew the process, knew what to do, but he was just weak.
00:53:35.000And that's the difference now is your dad's got people – Like, you know, John Ratcliffe and a guy who's done all these jobs, you know, a guy like that, you know, somebody like that could come back in the administration.
00:55:11.000Thank God your dad picked somebody like Lighthizer who was able to put in place these tariffs.
00:55:17.000And I think President Trump would have probably done even more.
00:55:22.000I think Lighthizer would have pushed him more.
00:55:24.000And I think now we know those guys are there.
00:55:27.000They're solid people. There's a bunch of them.
00:55:29.000And I think that you always have to see the good.
00:55:34.000At the end of the day, like we talked about, there's 50 states.
00:55:38.000A lot of these states aren't going back.
00:55:40.000They're not going to be communist. And there's going to be a lot of good people, and hopefully your dad can get through the finish line here without spending 450 years in prison.
00:55:54.000Honestly, it seems like a lot of the people getting involved in the primary on the Republican side are literally there just to force...
00:56:03.000To force, basically, a drain of the funds that will be required to be able to take on the Democrat machine.
00:56:10.000I mean, you're familiar with the Democrat machine in California, but it's becoming that way across the country, right?
00:56:15.000You know, an average congressional race, they're outspending us five or ten to one.
00:56:21.000You know, sort of the in-kind contribution from the mainstream media, who's, again, trying to do gotcha stuff to any Republican while artificially doing the exact opposite I mean, you know, talk about that.
00:56:37.000I mean, we talked about, obviously, the bias in the media and everything that's going on, but, you know, there are, you know, the other avenues.
00:56:45.000I mean, you went on to become the CEO of Truth Social.
00:56:48.000Tell us about what's going on there, how that's looking, about growth, the engagement.
00:56:52.000There, because again, I think people need an alternative venue.
00:56:55.000I think Rumble's been a great thing, and they're free speech.
00:56:58.000There's people on the other side on Rumble, but they're allowed to say what they actually think, rather than, you're only allowed to say the narrative, and if you veer off too far, you know, Maybe you can contest the narrative a little bit, but only like 10%.
00:57:10.000If you say this, you're off and it no longer matters.
00:57:14.000Tell us about what's going on at Truth Social, because I know I see it in the comments a lot.
00:57:18.000People are curious what's happened and talk about that, because that is, you know, even with the changes in Twitter, they're still...
00:57:26.000You know, the inmates, in my opinion, are still oftentimes running the asylum.
00:57:31.000You know, you can fire 50% of something, but if that 50% was still 100% radical big tech Democrats, there's only so much you can do to change that.
00:57:43.000This is the way that I think people have to look at this.
00:57:48.000I always tell people, you know, I didn't need a new job.
00:57:52.000Donald Trump, I was perfectly fine in Congress.
00:57:54.000I would have been the chairman of the Ways and Means Committee.
00:57:57.000President Trump didn't need a new company.
00:57:59.000But we were forced to go out there because people, the American people had lost their voice.
00:58:05.000People couldn't communicate. I mean, whether it was on vaccines or anything political, it was being censored left and right.
00:58:12.000So they said, go out and, you know, they always always say, well, if you guys don't like big tech, you Republicans can go build your own company.
00:58:18.000So President Trump, myself, I mean, that's what we're doing.
00:58:27.000I mean, that's the problem. Everything they do is a big lie.
00:58:29.000Like, build your own, then Amazon Web Services.
00:58:32.000No, you can't use our servers. It's like, you know, they want to say it to make it appear as though, you know, they want for that.
00:58:40.000Maybe this is a little biased, but like, they want for you to be able to compete, but they don't.
00:58:44.000They want entire control of the narrative.
00:58:47.000Yeah, and think about how this started.
00:58:49.000You know, if you think back to a year ago, a little over a year ago, when we first launched and we were beta testing, we launched on Apple first and then we went open up on the web and we finally got into the Google Play Store for Android, which didn't happen, by the way, until October.
00:59:32.000They can't do it. Well, all of that, now they have to say, Don, it's funny, the fake news, now they have to actually admit, instead of it not working and it being terrible and all the bad things that we're going to, supposedly, that we weren't going to be able to do, the best they can come up with now is that, well, it's a niche platform of MAGA people, right?
00:59:54.000The MAGA people didn't have anywhere to go, you jerks, because you would ban them from all the other platforms.
00:59:59.000And so they can no longer say that this is not a massive audience.
01:00:03.000I mean, when you look at the big picture, Donald Trump has more followers today on True Social than he had on Twitter when he came down the escalator to run for president.
01:03:21.000And look, in any normal, we talk about institutions collapsing and institutions failing.
01:03:26.000I mean, if I was running the SEC and there was some merger involving some Democratic Party operative or something, I mean, look, first of all, I'd have 75 fake news people, are you working on this merger?
01:03:40.000But I would say, look, I'm not going to work on this merger, right?
01:03:44.000If I was on the SEC, I'm not going to do it.
01:03:48.000I mean, clearly these people, by not coming out and saying that we're not involved in this, this is being treated differently than any SPAC in history.
01:03:56.000And look, it's September 8th is when it expires.
01:04:01.000I mean, your dad's agreement is already up and You know, it's horrible what's happening here.
01:04:07.000But, you know, hopefully Congress can get to the corruption.
01:04:11.000We're trying to help them as much as we can.
01:04:18.000And I think what you're going to find at the end of this is going to be the same thing that you found in the Russia hoax and Ukraine impeachment hoax and everything else.
01:04:31.000And hopefully Jim Jordan with his committee can take this whole situation for the last year and a half and possibly you'll find that smoking gun that ultimately Gensler and these people could be held accountable for what is really just the politicization of the SEC. Because remember, the goal of the SEC, they have a clear mission, Don.
01:04:53.000Yeah. Number one is to protect companies like ours, private companies that are trying to go public so that we don't get taken advantage of, which, by the way, we're being taken advantage of right now.
01:05:04.000Without us having access to these capital markets, how do you compete with Amazon or Microsoft?
01:05:12.000Secondly, they're supposed to look out for people that buy the stock.
01:05:16.000Well, they're not doing either of those.
01:05:23.000There's also no outrage from the people in the media that if you were doing this to the liberal platforms, that's all of them, or liberal media, they'd be out there screaming I think we're good to go.
01:06:01.000That's a threat to us and our hegemony and our power and everything that we have.
01:06:05.000So we're just going to turn a blind eye to it like everything else.
01:06:08.000And again, when you look at the cast of characters now involved and you look back over Russia, it's like, how do they keep getting those same people magically in the loop?
01:06:19.000They're magically, you know, oh, shockingly, it's this person's the person that's going to let Hunter Biden go.
01:06:24.000Shockingly, you know, this was the person that was slated to be Joe Biden's ambassador.
01:06:27.000Like... There is no such thing as coincidence, and there's definitely no such thing as this much coincidence.
01:06:35.000It's literally, statistically impossible, and yet it's happening every day, and the silence is deafening.
01:06:45.000I mean, anybody who was involved in the Obama-Biden administration, if you did the bidding, if you did things, cover-ups, if you engaged in corrupt activity, even criminal activity, you failed upward.
01:07:00.000You're now in charge. That's basically what's happened here, is that they've rewarded all of these political creatures We're good to go.
01:07:24.000And then all the people at the top have been people that have been vetted by them.
01:07:29.000You know, no different than I think one of the best examples is the, and you don't really need to look any further, the letter from the 51 intelligence agencies to say that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation was coordinated by Mike Murrell, a guy who was a high-level intelligence official, CIA, who knew better.
01:07:52.000He knew it wasn't Russian disinformation.
01:07:58.000If you don't know who Tony Blinken is, he's now currently the Secretary of State, arguably the number three in the United States government.
01:08:06.000Yeah, that sounds like quid pro quo, but that's just me.
01:08:09.000I mean, they're literally rewarding the worst actors.
01:08:13.000But you could go back further than that, right?
01:08:15.000How many of the same cast of characters, whether it's, you know, Strzok or Brennan, I mean, they lied before Congress.
01:09:00.000And it's like, you're the guy that's going to lecture us on honesty and decency and literally anything.
01:09:08.000You have ceded that moral high ground so many times over, and yet they have no shame.
01:09:14.000They'll keep doing it because, I guess, there's no reason not to.
01:09:19.000Look, we've talked about a lot of different stories and different threads that we're pulling back on here today, but think about this one.
01:09:29.000This is one of the things that Durham was able to uncover.
01:09:33.000Some of this was exposed by John Ratcliffe.
01:09:37.000He declassified some of this information, but I think Durham was actually able to put it together.
01:09:42.000So, you know, we talked early in the show about, you know, how the Russia hoax started and how they did an Intelligence Committee assessment, and then they briefed us in early 2017.
01:09:54.000Well, we now know through Durham's investigation that Brennan, the head of the CIA, knew in late July, August, and had actually briefed Obama and Biden that this was a Hillary Clinton campaign stunt, that they were in full operation on this.
01:10:21.000The head of the CIA briefed the president, the vice president.
01:10:24.000Everybody had to know. So then fast forward a few months into late 2016, when they launched this ICA, Wait a second.
01:10:31.000You launch an ICA. You participate in the Intelligence Committee assessment, but you don't talk about how the Clinton campaign, you know that they're trying to smear the Trump campaign with this.
01:10:42.000That doesn't make it into the ICA. Then you fast forward, you use that information in the ICA. Brennan was in the room when Comey briefed us on this.
01:11:00.000It's just a great example of how everything has just devolved into total chaos.
01:11:09.000And if you are a Republican, especially if you are a Trump Republican, it's just a tough place in Washington, D.C. The whole government is lined up against you.
01:11:18.000So how does this all play out, you know, for 2024?
01:11:21.000Again, I do think slowly but surely, you know, there's plenty of Americans that just, you know, they're not into this stuff like we are or the people perhaps even watching the show, right?
01:11:29.000They're working hard to try to live their American dream.
01:11:32.000They're trying to put food on the table in the Joe Biden economy that's getting harder and harder to do on a daily basis.
01:11:41.000They may not see it. And even if they're starting to get there, how does all of this play out?
01:11:45.000You know, we talked about sort of the alternate forms of media.
01:11:48.000I think, you know, media has probably never been less trusted than it is right now.
01:11:52.000And so, again, there's plenty of great people talking about this stuff on Truth.
01:11:56.000There's plenty of people talking about it on Rumble.
01:11:57.000Actually getting, you know, the real news out there, not the sort of whitewash 10% of the truth and let's still protect the narrative and the people in power.
01:12:08.000How do you see this playing out in 2024?
01:12:11.000How do you see the primary politics playing out right now?
01:12:14.000Because I see all these people competing in the primary that, I mean, I don't even get it.
01:12:21.000What do you see happening in the coming 18 months?
01:12:28.000I mean, clearly there's a movement within some of the candidates.
01:12:34.000Like I said, I think I know almost all of them.
01:12:37.000They're clearly being put up to run by someone.
01:12:41.000Is that to drain the coffers to make it harder to fight?
01:12:44.000Meaning, is that basically a shadow campaign to allow Joe Biden another four years?
01:12:49.000Because they would rather see that, even with the disaster, even this, because it doesn't affect them, because they're permanent Washington, as opposed to, you know, America first.
01:13:01.000So it's like, they would rather have Joe Biden than Trump, even if As conservatives, they don't actually disagree with any of the Trump policies.
01:13:10.000I sort of forgot to mention it earlier.
01:13:12.000It's like, those who are like, well, you know, Trump, I don't want the drama.
01:13:16.000It's like, well, do you think the drama was ever created by lies like four years of a Steele dossier or pee tapes or going after your family?
01:13:23.000And if someone did that to you, would you also fight back and maybe not have the bedside manner that you'd love to have on a daily basis?
01:13:33.000Well, look, and that was kind of my point I was trying to make earlier, that President Trump never really got to be president because he was dealing with this whole propaganda machine that was out there smearing him on a daily basis that involved our own government, right?
01:13:46.000This is not the old days where the DNC sends out a press conference.
01:13:50.000You've got kind of a dirty trick that happens in October right before the election that everybody, oh, we've seen this before.
01:13:57.000No. This was the government weaponized against the incoming, the candidate for president, the incoming president, all during the presidency.
01:14:04.000And now as the leading candidate, all of this is weaponized.
01:14:09.000So I don't, you know, you've got, I think what's happening right now, you've got the three or four people that are running that are simply running just to attack Donald Trump, to kill off MAGA. And they are being financed by billionaires, Wall Street people, lobbyists.
01:14:27.000Then you've got, I think there's a few candidates that are out there that are running for another position.
01:14:32.000They're running for vice president, running for maybe to be in a cabinet post in the Trump administration.
01:14:40.000And then you've got, I think, a lot of the kind of billionaire money went behind Ron DeSantis, who I served with in Congress.
01:14:51.000He owes all of his success to Donald Trump.
01:14:56.000So we're clear, he was going to lose to a meth addict.
01:15:00.000Right. You know, like, just so we understand.
01:15:04.000And so, yeah, that's why it's a little disappointing.
01:15:06.000But it's interesting watching him get out there.
01:15:08.000It's like, you know, and I don't know that anyone spent more time on a campaign trail with him that wasn't part of his campaign than me in 2018.
01:15:16.000And it's sort of like what's interesting is sort of the image created online does not exactly line up with the personality that you get.
01:15:24.000And I sort of, I knew that because having spent as much time, it's sort of interesting watching all of that collapse.
01:15:29.000Like once you actually You realize that so much of that image is literally a creation by paid influencers.
01:15:39.000Yeah, and I think, look, that's no matter how much money you can put into someone in someone's campaign, at the end of the day, this is the largest political movement in history that the billionaires and the corporate people, they don't want to admit it.
01:15:50.000The lobbyists in Washington, D.C., even a lot of my colleagues, they don't understand.
01:15:55.000And they think, oh, it's just Donald Trump.
01:16:37.000And of course, you've got the corporate elites who don't want that.
01:16:40.000They want somebody that they can control.
01:16:42.000And they don't like that Donald Trump is going to, once again, probably increase tariffs on China.
01:16:48.000Yeah, they can be all conservative, but not if it costs you a half a cent more to make your widget, in which case they're going to roll over and kowtow to China.
01:16:57.000And I mean, all of corporate America is that way, right?
01:17:00.000You know, you have the electric power stuff.
01:17:02.000Well, where's all the batteries coming from?
01:17:04.000China. Where's all the rare earth minerals coming?
01:17:06.000And who controls that all over the world?
01:17:08.000China. They can pretend to be against China, but when it really comes down to it, they're not going to be.
01:17:13.000Or, even if they want to be, their donors, the people that actually control them, they don't want to be, and therefore it's not going to happen.
01:17:23.000You know, they're going to say this on a stage.
01:17:25.000Once they get power, does anyone really believe they're going to do that?
01:17:28.000We saw that, you know, the Ron DeSantis flip on Ukraine.
01:17:31.000He sort of tried taking the Trump position, maybe the Trump-lite position, and then, oh, no, no, no, Ukraine is the biggest issue for all Republicans all over the world.
01:17:47.000People have to understand the difference between what they're told and what they will ultimately get.
01:17:52.000And those are two very divergent things.
01:17:56.000Yeah, and look, and you can't, and the other issue is that Donald Trump, and now his third campaign, he's got the largest donor base in history.
01:18:14.000Oh, this is just personality politics.
01:18:16.000No, that's people out there that want to give five bucks, 10 bucks, 20 bucks.
01:18:31.000Maybe it's a problem to have this trade deficit.
01:18:33.000Maybe it's a problem that we look weak on the foreign stage.
01:18:36.000Maybe it's a problem that the military has gone woke and we look totally inept and that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I was there during all of that.
01:19:01.000So you essentially have the elites that are backing a few just kamikaze candidates.
01:19:07.000I actually think that it's hard to know everything here, Don.
01:19:12.000But I think that the DeSantis campaign has really fell flat.
01:19:18.000And I think now, at least from what I'm hearing, because I still talk to some of these insiders, they've basically left DeSantis, and now they're trying to find another candidate.
01:19:30.000Doug Burgum, the governor of North Dakota, is getting in.
01:19:33.000Like, I've campaigned with the guy, and yet, like...
01:19:37.000I couldn't... If you would actually put a picture, I'd be like, oh, I know that guy, but I have no idea who...
01:19:41.000You know, not exactly like a national stage-type figure, right?
01:19:46.000Not someone you think of, and yet I think he sees that opening.
01:19:49.000And again, whether it's playing for VP or something else, they see that sort of collapse of the one that was anointed, and he's taking on, and he's making all these gains, and then all of a sudden, you know, not so much.
01:20:00.000I mean, you talked about all the places where, you know, the woke military, the woke...
01:20:05.000The insanity of this, the indoctrination of our children.
01:20:09.000You know, compare and contrast the Democrat and the Republican infrastructure right now, because with all of the things that are just going on that are insane, that aren't resonating with the American people, that just make absolutely no sense, how is it, though, still that Republicans are consistently getting outspent?
01:20:28.000Why does it seem like Even when the Republicans are in power, the Democrats somehow still maintain control.
01:20:35.000They can have those things as, like, key aspects of their policy.
01:20:40.000You know, your child should be three, and they can change their gender, permanently mutilating your body, and it's okay.
01:20:47.000Is it just the federal bureaucracy protecting them, just the mainstream media?
01:20:52.000Because I don't think that resonates with anyone but the lunatic fringe of the left.
01:20:57.000And yet... They seem to get away with it without consequence.
01:21:00.000And frankly, they still have the machine to get some going.
01:21:05.000Yeah, I mean, one thing you have to remember, they have, you know, everybody's, you know, the Soros money.
01:21:09.000I mean, look, the Soros money is real.
01:21:11.000I mean, they don't hide from it. You know, he just, you know, handed off his empire to his son who brags about how political he is.
01:21:18.000So they have billionaires that are dedicated to Marxism that are funding this.
01:21:24.000On the right, the business, you know, more of the business guys, conservatives, sure, I mean, sure, look, we've got a lot of very patriotic business people that support the Republican Party, but you also have a bunch of them that are just in the middle, and they're listening to their lobbyists, their consultants, their Wall Street people, and that's why they're funneling money, you know, to other places.
01:21:43.000Now, I think the big question you asked, like, what's going to happen?
01:22:20.000I'm talking about for the general election.
01:22:22.000So, you know, and he's only got to win either Pennsylvania or Wisconsin, Michigan, and one of those he's got to win.
01:22:29.000He doesn't have to win all three, but he's got to win one, along with Georgia and Arizona.
01:22:33.000So I just have to believe that no matter how much propaganda you push out there, look, you can't, if people, if the economy's suffering, you've got high gas prices and all of that, you can't hide from it.
01:22:46.000You now have, what, some two-thirds of American people think that Biden is not up for the task.
01:22:52.000That can't be good. The other third are idiots, Devin.
01:22:57.000Come on. The other third are asleep, taking a nap.
01:23:03.000But look, I still believe, and I've said this very publicly, that I just don't think Biden's going to ultimately be their nominee.
01:23:19.000You see Gavin Newsom's doing the big push on getting involved in stuff.
01:23:24.000I mean, I'm not sure he's got the record to necessarily run on...
01:23:28.000I don't know that California is the...
01:23:31.000Sure, it's a beautiful state and has nice weather and incredible scenery, but I don't know if there's a lot of successes I'd look at for California to be like, hey, I want to California, the rest of America.
01:23:42.000So what do you think is going on with that for 2024 on the Democrat side?
01:23:46.000Well, look, I think he's running a shadow campaign for president, without question.
01:23:52.000There's a bunch of others that are trying to probably figure it out.
01:23:54.000And then you have Obama, the Obama team.
01:24:00.000It didn't get much play. But he's secretly, privately meeting with other Democrats across the country, trying to figure out I'm basically reading the tea leaves here, but what it reads is they're trying to figure out what they're going to do when Biden falls.
01:24:18.000And he could fall on a number of different fronts, but it almost doesn't matter whether he has health issues or his legal issues.
01:24:25.000At the end of the day, it doesn't matter.
01:24:28.000They're going to have to probably get rid of him, and then how are they going to do it?
01:24:31.000Obama's going to be the only one that can do it.
01:26:25.000They don't know what to do because she's a disaster.
01:26:29.000And that's why I think you see these stories that are a few of them by the fake news that have the insights.
01:26:36.000Why is Obama meeting with other people?
01:26:38.000Clearly, he's not going for Kamala Harris, and clearly they know that Biden has a big problem.
01:26:43.000So I think there's going to be a lot of turmoil here, along with God only knows how many more indictments they're going to do against President Trump.
01:26:53.000I mean, I just think we're just in a very dangerous time, as you know, that you've got You know, Russia, we're on the verge of World War III. I mean, these guys keep provoking a guy that clearly, with Putin, somebody who I followed for many, many years, you know, doesn't always, has not been thinking straight in the last few years, and we don't know what the hell he's going to do.
01:27:14.000Yeah, you can only provoke a guy like that so much before you regret it.
01:27:18.000Yeah, I know it's scary times, but Devin, thanks so much for doing this.
01:27:22.000I really appreciate it, guys. Go check out Devin on Truth Social, see everything that's going on there.
01:27:27.000One of the few guys that really got it early, one of the few guys fighting for this.
01:27:32.000I'm actually, the connection that you made together right now as it relates to the, hey, the stuff they were accusing Trump of in the Steele dossier is actually probably based on Hunter Biden.
01:27:42.000That's actually a really big deal, I think.
01:27:45.000I'm sort of shocked I never thought of it.
01:27:46.000I guess I got the analogy, but yeah, in the world in which we function, that's clearly the most plausible thing imaginable, especially since it came from Hillary and the target that they were initially going after was, Joe, it's like, ah, we got all this stuff.
01:28:02.000Why don't we just recycle it, repurpose it, and do all that?
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