Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - We've Crossed the Rubicon: Devin Nunes on What it will Take to Defeat the Swamp in 2024 | TRIGGERED Ep.46

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00:00:26.000 Devin is a former congressman from California and a head of the Intelligence Committee.

00:00:32.000 He was a leading warrior against the Russia collusion hoax, uncovered abuses of the justice system

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00:00:42.000 Devin is now also the CEO of Truth Social and fighting against liberal censorship

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00:04:33.000 And now, with that, former California congressman, CEO of Truth Social, Devin Nunes.

00:04:42.000 Devin, what's happening, buddy?

00:04:44.000 Hey, Don. It's great to be with you.

00:04:47.000 Really a pleasure to be with you.

00:04:49.000 And congratulations on your Rumble show.

00:04:51.000 I think you, you know, I was one of the first guys to go to Rumble, and you were probably the first person outside of a member of Congress to come on Rumble, and so it's an honor to be with you.

00:05:01.000 Yeah, you know what? It's interesting. I always said I was the first guy after Dan Bongino, but you actually may have, you may have beaten me there.

00:05:08.000 I may be third. Yeah, you know, it's an interesting story, actually.

00:05:15.000 When I was in Congress, it was actually Dan Bongino who helped me to find Rumble, but it's an interesting turn of events.

00:05:22.000 I had a little podcast, because as you were saying, you know, the fake news, I had to have a way to get around the fake news.

00:05:28.000 So I started up a little audio podcast, and I got a call from Bongino, and he said, hey, he says, you're doing really well on this little podcast.

00:05:36.000 You should, you ever hear of something called YouTube?

00:05:39.000 So I said, yeah, you know, I had a little account, hadn't used it much.

00:05:42.000 So I started posting on YouTube at Dan Bongino's suggestion.

00:05:47.000 And then after like a few episodes, I realized that I was being shadow banned by YouTube.

00:05:52.000 And I called Dan and I said, Dan, I said, this isn't working.

00:05:58.000 He says, oh yeah, you know, they do that sometime, but we really don't have an alternative.

00:06:01.000 And that's when I went out and I told my team, look, let's just go find a video player anywhere.

00:06:06.000 And so I actually am the one who found Rumble.

00:06:09.000 And then, of course, Dan Bongino, thank God, because then he came on, promoted it, and I think really helped it to make it the company that it is today, where it truly is the only free speech platform, because we know what YouTube does.

00:06:22.000 And of course, It's so important to our company, True Social, because we're the communications architecture.

00:06:29.000 We're allowing people to talk to one another.

00:06:31.000 But thankfully, Rumble is providing that backbone, that infrastructure on both video and cloud and our advertising platform.

00:06:40.000 So it's just great to see Rumble thrive and to have folks like you that are putting on a show a couple times a week.

00:06:48.000 Well, yeah, I mean, way before Truth Social ever, you know, like I said, I got in there involved through Dan and everything like that with Chris Pavlosky.

00:06:55.000 And, you know, I stayed on the platform, you know, early.

00:06:58.000 I was just doing a lot of the short form stuff that I had and, you know, got to a pretty solid following for what was then a fledgling, you know, sort of platform.

00:07:07.000 And I didn't go to the others because it is a lot of work to actually build a platform, to build a following, only to wake up You know, one day to be like, oh, you're off.

00:07:17.000 And I've been on some of the other big podcasts out there that they're hosting on YouTube.

00:07:21.000 They're like, you're not allowed to say this.

00:07:22.000 I'm like, but that's accurate.

00:07:24.000 It's been proven. I know it doesn't matter.

00:07:25.000 And if you do, we're going to get, you know, we're on our second strike, so we're going to get thrown off.

00:07:30.000 It's actually insane to me that people would still go, certainly if you're actually talking about, you know, politics.

00:07:37.000 Or, you know, science or this, where you have that heavy weight of, you don't actually have to be right. 0.85

00:07:46.000 You're just not even allowed to go against that grain, even if it's asinine, right?

00:07:51.000 You know, we talked about all the things, you know, Wuhan lab leak theory, all the things that you would have been thrown off of YouTube in two seconds.

00:07:57.000 Yeah. I know they did a lot to you back in the day when you were talking about Russia, Russia, Russia, but you were the head of the Intelligence Committee.

00:08:08.000 I don't see and I didn't see when the Democrats took Congress and Adam Schiff became head of the Intelligence Committee, he could lie to the American people For years, he's still perpetuating those same lies.

00:08:23.000 They've been disproven. There's reports between Mueller and Durham discounting all of that.

00:08:29.000 And yet nothing seems to happen to that kind of programming.

00:08:33.000 There's never been a strike.

00:08:34.000 There's never been censorship.

00:08:36.000 There's never been anything.

00:08:37.000 And yet they were crushing you.

00:08:40.000 You had the knowledge.

00:08:41.000 You were in a position of power to know the truth.

00:08:45.000 And yet none of that seems to actually matter.

00:08:48.000 Yeah, the way that that all happened and kind of the way that I ended up at True Social is because we were successfully, even though the fake news was just continually talking about Russia, and even though I had come out in early 2017 and said, look, I don't see any evidence of Russia and Trump or Russia and Republicans.

00:09:11.000 I just don't see it. And, you know, I had long been a Russian hawk, had long been warning about Putin.

00:09:17.000 And now, Don, you got to think about the timeline here that we're talking about.

00:09:22.000 Yeah, you said it. This is 2017.

00:09:24.000 Like, this is, you know, this is not like people who, all right, they figured out it was all a lie in 2021 after it didn't matter.

00:09:31.000 I mean, you were on it, like, the second that this became all of a Hey, Russia's interfering in our elections.

00:09:40.000 Trump's working for Russia.

00:09:42.000 I guess he needed the money or whatever argument they were trying to make.

00:09:47.000 You were on it way before everyone.

00:09:51.000 And it was even before that.

00:09:53.000 I mean, it is ridiculous that we're talking about something that happened that started in 2017.

00:09:58.000 But really, it started in 2014 and 15 when I was on the Intelligence Committee, became chairman.

00:10:05.000 And the Obama-Biden administration was not doing anything about Putin.

00:10:10.000 Nothing. So you can imagine in 2016...

00:10:15.000 After the election, we get a briefing, our normal briefing that we get after every election, and it was a normal briefing, Don.

00:10:24.000 It was just, hey, this country did that, this country did that.

00:10:28.000 Yeah, they're all playing games, but nothing to see here.

00:10:33.000 Then I go home for Thanksgiving in 2016, and then there's a leak, a leak from the Senate Intelligence Committee that they had just received a briefing from the FBI. Now, keep in mind, the same people that had just briefed me a week before have now briefed the Senate.

00:10:51.000 It's magic! Look what we found!

00:10:54.000 Over Thanksgiving, they managed to figure out and find some type of leaflet of Russian collusion of some kind.

00:11:03.000 So I'm getting these calls.

00:11:05.000 I'm like, I don't know what you guys are talking about.

00:11:07.000 I haven't seen anything to do with Russia.

00:11:10.000 And I had received a few calls during the campaign from some kooky reporters that said, you know, asked about the Russia stuff.

00:11:16.000 And now it's easy to go back and look to see how the Clinton campaign planted it, what the FBI was doing.

00:11:23.000 You have Mike Morrell, all of these guys that were participating in this hoax.

00:11:28.000 But then in a record amount of time, basically in the month of December, during a transition, do you remember the term, the ICA, the Intelligence Community Assessment?

00:11:42.000 Yeah. And then fast forward, and keep in mind, you've got Christmas, you've got New Year's.

00:11:54.000 I mean, you had the whole bureaucracy, Don.

00:11:56.000 I mean, they didn't celebrate Christmas. Bureaucracy doesn't work on holidays.

00:11:59.000 Let's not kid ourselves. Even the intelligence bureaucracy, these people are not exactly workers.

00:12:03.000 They magically crank this stuff out, right?

00:12:06.000 Right. And that's my point.

00:12:08.000 They weren't working. They didn't do anything.

00:12:10.000 They put together a total piece of garbage. 0.99

00:12:12.000 We come back after the first of the year. 1.00

00:12:14.000 Obama's still president.

00:12:16.000 Your dad's getting ready to come in as president.

00:12:19.000 We sit down in the gang of eight.

00:12:22.000 And we go into this meeting.

00:12:24.000 So, you know, you got Pelosi there.

00:12:26.000 And gosh, at the time, it was, I think it was Harry Reid, as I recall.

00:12:32.000 And we come in and we get this crazy briefing.

00:12:36.000 Well, Russia might have done this, they might have done that, might have done this.

00:12:40.000 Oh, we think we have some stuff on Trump. 0.98

00:12:43.000 And then they get to this last part, and it's like prostitutes in Moscow. 0.93

00:12:50.000 I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 0.93

00:12:52.000 Wait a second, wait. You guys have this?

00:12:55.000 Oh, we're not saying we have this, but we have some sources, okay?

00:13:00.000 Yeah. And of course, it's a frickin' lie. 0.90

00:13:03.000 And I'm sitting there going, wait a sec, guys, I've been on your ass about Russia for going on three years now. 0.99

00:13:10.000 A month ago, there was no Russia of any kind. 0.99

00:13:13.000 There was nothing. 0.88

00:13:15.000 And now you're telling me you've got possible tapes of Donald Trump in Moscow with prostitutes? 0.89

00:13:21.000 Like, wow, that's pretty frickin' serious, right? 0.92

00:13:24.000 Yeah. And, of course, then it leaks out.

00:13:28.000 We leave that meeting.

00:13:29.000 The dossier leaks out.

00:13:31.000 I don't know. It seemed like it leaked right away, but it might have been.

00:13:36.000 But it was definitely within 48 hours.

00:13:38.000 And, of course, everybody goes crazy over what is known as the Steele dossier.

00:13:44.000 For those of you, that's also known as the pee tape.

00:13:47.000 And anyone who actually knows my father, like...

00:13:50.000 You know, my father's basically a germaphobe.

00:13:53.000 You know what I mean? So when I read about, you know, the allegations of the pee tape, I'm like, I don't know, man.

00:14:00.000 Like, he's reluctant to shake people's hands.

00:14:03.000 I'm pretty sure he's not doing that with prostitutes. 0.77

00:14:06.000 Like, when I say pretty sure, I mean like one billion percent sure.

00:14:11.000 Yeah. And Don, it was ridiculous because then you go through that dossier, and I had been looking at intelligence reports, you know, that time, 15 years.

00:14:21.000 And I said, guys, this is not an intelligence report.

00:14:23.000 So what do you have, Comey?

00:14:25.000 What's here? What, you know, what is this?

00:14:27.000 This is because it was... A lot of that stuff in that dossier would take, you know, a line agent at the FBI, or even, you know, kind of a local investigator at your local police department, would quickly be able to look at it and say, okay, this is not intelligence.

00:14:43.000 It read like a poorly written spy novel, which really, what it actually, well, I think what it actually was, it was based on Hunter Biden.

00:14:55.000 If you really think about it...

00:14:57.000 Wow. You know what? That's actually...

00:14:59.000 Yeah.

00:15:01.000 By the way, we've all seen the videos.

00:15:05.000 I imagine there's a lot more out there.

00:15:08.000 I imagine that there are things that even Hunter Biden was like, you know what?

00:15:11.000 Maybe I shouldn't put this on video.

00:15:15.000 I'm curious to see how far the degeneracy goes there.

00:15:18.000 But by the way, that's so in line with everything the Democrats do.

00:15:22.000 I mean, that's the... You know, Saul Alinsky rules for radicals.

00:15:26.000 Like, accuse them of doing the things that you're actually doing.

00:15:30.000 And when we see the Hunter Biden tapes, I've actually never thought of it that way, but that sounds like it'd be 100% right.

00:15:37.000 We just, you know, accuse them of the most degeneracy stuff.

00:15:40.000 That way, if and when we get caught, it's like, oh, it's a lie because we caught them doing it first, even if they weren't actually doing anything.

00:15:46.000 Yeah, and keep in mind...

00:15:49.000 Through our investigation in 2017 into Russia, we were able to find what were called the proto-dossiers.

00:15:58.000 These were pre-dossiers.

00:15:59.000 These were ones that actually I don't think ever really made it out to the public.

00:16:02.000 You might be able to find them on the internet somewhere, but they were about your father.

00:16:07.000 And they were all about ties to Russian oligarchs and business guys and blah, blah, blah. 0.98

00:16:14.000 And of course, it looked ridiculous and it was ridiculous. 0.96

00:16:17.000 There's no truth to it. But those were written in early 2016. 0.83

00:16:21.000 And at some point, and you may remember when your father, during that you were on the campaign then, remember when your father put out, oh, I'm announcing some foreign policy advisors.

00:16:31.000 And it was, you know, You feel bad for these guys now, but like Waleed Ferris, who was just a gentleman and a good guy, General Mike Flynn.

00:16:40.000 Of course, Carter Page was on there and George Papadopoulos.

00:16:46.000 And right after that, a month or two after that, is when all of a sudden the Steele dossiers start to come out.

00:16:54.000 And look, this was created by the Clinton team, right?

00:16:59.000 So where did they get this stuff?

00:17:00.000 stuff because you may remember kind of blending in Ukraine.

00:17:05.000 Remember the first people to accuse Joe Biden of having nefarious involvement in Ukraine.

00:17:10.000 It was actually leaks from the Clinton campaign when they were trying to keep Biden out of

00:17:15.000 the race for president.

00:17:17.000 So it's almost like they took all these ideas off the shelf.

00:17:19.000 They replaced the name here.

00:17:21.000 You know, we're just going to cross out this name and we'll put a Trump personality in

00:17:25.000 Just mix and match, mix and match, down the line, and all of a sudden, we've transformed the dossier 100% from Joe Biden.

00:17:33.000 Honestly, I'm actually shocked I haven't put that together, but you're right.

00:17:36.000 I mean, this was during the time of the Hunter Biden no-show jobs.

00:17:40.000 Like, you know, what was, like, seriously, like, what was Hunter doing to earn, like, almost $100,000 a month in Ukraine at an energy company?

00:17:50.000 No energy history.

00:17:52.000 No business history.

00:17:54.000 Doesn't speak the language.

00:17:57.000 Doesn't have to show up.

00:17:58.000 I don't know. I play at a pretty high level, but no one gives you six figures to do nothing.

00:18:04.000 Certainly not monthly.

00:18:05.000 Unless, of course, it's this.

00:18:07.000 And so they probably actually had real dirt on Joe Biden, meaning the Clinton camp.

00:18:12.000 And it's just like, we're just going to repurpose that to hurt Trump after the fact.

00:18:18.000 And Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

00:18:20.000 And then they go out, and then the difference is here that they went wild, right?

00:18:26.000 And they were able to...

00:18:27.000 They've corrupted the Department of Justice and the FBI by this point, and they're able to go out and they're able to set up Papadopoulos.

00:18:35.000 We know that now. We don't have all the details, but Durham at least got to the bottom of that.

00:18:40.000 They set up Carter Page.

00:18:41.000 They lure him over to London.

00:18:42.000 And through all of that, with the most powerful tools of our government, With framing people, setting them up, you fast forward into 2017, and I come out and say, hey, I haven't seen anything to do with Trump and Russia.

00:19:00.000 I mean, I haven't seen one piece of intelligence, nothing.

00:19:04.000 But the only thing I have seen that's illegal, completely illegal, is the leak of General Flynn talking to a Russian ambassador.

00:19:14.000 And, you know, of course they would say...

00:19:16.000 People tried to make that seem like it's collusion, but, like, Flynn was going to be in that position.

00:19:21.000 Like, that's the relationship he needed to have.

00:19:23.000 And when we... You know, I didn't know Carter Page as well.

00:19:26.000 I don't... The other characters in this, but I always say sort of the biggest regret I had of that whole...

00:19:33.000 This lie cycle was actually not being more vocal in support of Flynn, because even me at the time, again, we're not going now where I have exactly zero faith in FBI leadership, in CIA leadership, in DOJ leadership. 0.98

00:19:52.000 They are scumbags that are just totally politicized. 0.97

00:19:57.000 There's nothing there. 1.00

00:19:58.000 But at that time, I was still like a naive guy.

00:20:02.000 Like, there must be something to it.

00:20:04.000 It's the CIA. They're doing what's right for America.

00:20:07.000 So, you know, I was like, I'd spent a lot of time with Flynn.

00:20:10.000 I was like, this is a good American.

00:20:12.000 This is like a guy that we want out there fighting for us.

00:20:14.000 But I was like, I don't know.

00:20:16.000 These guys are saying, like, there must be something.

00:20:18.000 Maybe he got duped. Maybe he did this.

00:20:20.000 Like, Even me, even having the relationship, even being like, man, it does not line up with anything I've seen.

00:20:28.000 I was like, I gave the benefit of the doubt to those guys.

00:20:32.000 I didn't go against him.

00:20:33.000 I didn't say anything because I was like, it doesn't seem right. 0.99

00:20:35.000 But I also wasn't out there being like, this is bullshit because... 0.97

00:20:41.000 We just didn't know. 0.98

00:20:42.000 We lived in a time where we still wanted to believe everything we've been told about America as patriots.

00:20:48.000 And that's all one big lie, which is what makes it so much more disappointing.

00:20:53.000 Well, you can imagine my thoughts.

00:20:55.000 So I'm watching this.

00:20:56.000 I've seen no information on Trump and Russia.

00:21:00.000 Zero. And then you've got these...

00:21:02.000 Then the fake news guys are coming to me after that leak came out.

00:21:07.000 According to 12 officials, General Flynn was doing dirty, dirty things with the Russian ambassador.

00:21:13.000 And then you really peel that back.

00:21:15.000 What are you talking about? What is this?

00:21:17.000 What do you have? Oh, he had a couple phone calls with him, right?

00:21:22.000 That's his job! As you just said, it's his job.

00:21:27.000 And I was saying that at the time.

00:21:28.000 So now we're talking February of 2017, and Pence is going crazy, and it says Flynn lied to him and all this stuff.

00:21:39.000 And I just, look, I met General Flynn.

00:21:44.000 In 2006, he was our nation's top, best leading intelligence officer.

00:21:50.000 I met him in Iraq. If it wasn't for General Flynn and the team he assembled, I mean, that guy single-handedly built the intelligence systems that went out and got really bad guys like Zarqawi. 0.94

00:22:00.000 It really turned the war around in Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:22:04.000 So you're telling me here's a guy, and the evidence you have, you're smearing him left and right, and the evidence you have is something that is clearly leaked.

00:22:13.000 On a phone call of him talking to the Russian ambassador, which Flynn, as you know, Don, I was actually on the transition team at the time as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, and I was talking to Flynn all the time.

00:22:27.000 I was talking to numerous...

00:22:31.000 I was handling all these, you know, everybody under the sun because nobody expected your father to win.

00:22:36.000 So they're all, you know, all the foreign embassies in Washington, D.C., which, by the way, if you have an embassy in Washington, D.C., the purpose of the embassy is to build relations with the people in Washington, D.C. that work for the United States government.

00:22:50.000 Right. To have open lines of communication so you don't get into wars and things of that nature.

00:22:56.000 So the idea that one of our biggest adversaries, Russia, would not be working overtime to try to open up some doors and have communications with somebody like General Flynn, the incoming national security advisor, is just preposterous.

00:23:12.000 And all of the fake news in Washington, D.C. knew it.

00:23:14.000 And I said in February, I said, the only Thing that I've seen illegal through all of this Russian nonsense that, you know, by that time it seemed like an eternity, but it had only been, you know, I don't know, a month or so, a month and a half. 1.00

00:23:27.000 So the only thing illegal is whoever the scumbags are of the intelligence officials and FBI officials and former Obama officials that leaked information that clearly must have come from a phone call picked up probably by our intelligence services.

00:23:41.000 Yeah. That was illegal. 0.86

00:23:42.000 And in any normal world, I guarantee you, if that happened today, let's just say that there was a leak of Chris Wray, the FBI director, talking to the CIA director, and say that phone call leaked out, or say they were talking to some embassy somewhere, I don't know, pick a country, let's just say Australia.

00:24:04.000 And if that leaked out today, the same thing that happened to Flynn, There would be hundreds, if not thousands of federal agents roaming through the entire United States, but especially in our nation's capital.

00:24:19.000 They would be arresting the Washington Post reporters that would have leaked that information out.

00:24:24.000 It would be hair on fire.

00:24:27.000 You look back at that, and that's really the most obvious sign of a two-tiered justice system, that you have these major leagues of an incoming administration.

00:24:38.000 Not a damn thing happens to them, but I guarantee you, if it happened today to any Democrat, to this administration, I mean, look, for God's sakes, they tipped off Hunter Biden before they were going to go and get some storage unit in Washington, D.C. The DOJ tipped him off before it happened.

00:24:56.000 I think the bigger part of it, to sort of further my last point, was not only that, but then they bring these guys in for questioning.

00:25:05.000 And they assume they're doing the right thing.

00:25:09.000 They're trying to help out.

00:25:10.000 They're not lawyering up. They're not doing anything like that.

00:25:13.000 They're just trying to be like, hey, if there's something there...

00:25:15.000 So all the things that they end up...

00:25:17.000 We got them!

00:25:18.000 It's like a guy that made an error because he didn't lawyer up.

00:25:21.000 He didn't spend countless weeks...

00:25:24.000 Prepping for the testimony, they went in there, did the right thing, and they forgot about a conversation that happened three, five months prior to that, whatever it may have been.

00:25:33.000 That was totally insignificant, but it wasn't that the conversation was significant.

00:25:37.000 It's that if you didn't remember it, we got you.

00:25:40.000 That's perjury. They tried doing that to me.

00:25:42.000 On the date of whatever it was, they're like, well, who called you at 3.07 p.m.

00:25:48.000 from an unknown number? My dad had an unknown number, shockingly, right?

00:25:51.000 They're like, oh, it must have been him.

00:25:53.000 You must have relayed the information.

00:25:55.000 Well, it turns out they subpoenaed the phone company.

00:25:58.000 They did all this. But I didn't remember who called me at 302 on June 15th, like two years earlier.

00:26:07.000 Like, I had no idea.

00:26:08.000 They said I was lying about it.

00:26:10.000 I had to have known. Turns out it was just a buddy of mine once they subpoenaed the records and went through the whole process.

00:26:16.000 But an entire news cycle was dedicated to, I lied because I obviously knew who called me at a very specific time, literally two years prior.

00:26:26.000 Like, I don't know, I get 50 phone calls a day.

00:26:28.000 I had no idea.

00:26:30.000 I was being genuine, but that was the big, the walls are closing in nonsense.

00:26:34.000 So that's, whenever they supposedly got anyone, it was because those people, rather than lawyering up, Rather than putting up every wall, actually went in there in good faith and tried to work with them.

00:26:46.000 But good faith needs to work both ways.

00:26:49.000 And I think they assumed that was the case, and it clearly wasn't.

00:26:53.000 Well, they were just making things up.

00:26:56.000 If you look back at that, I remember that day that you came down into the...

00:27:01.000 For your deposition in the SCIF, in the House Intelligence Committee.

00:27:07.000 And you came down there, there's, you know, 400 frickin' fake news press people out there.

00:27:12.000 And before you could even go out to go to the bathroom, like you came in for the first few hours, and then like you went out to go to the bathroom or get something to eat or, you know, I don't even know what it was.

00:27:23.000 But by that point, They had already leaked things from your interview, they meaning the Democrats, had already leaked things from your interview that, by the way, didn't happen.

00:27:33.000 Once again, it was partially based on the truth.

00:27:36.000 It has to be Schiff, right?

00:27:38.000 But they took an email that some random dude spammed 100 Trump org emails and got my email right.

00:27:44.000 I guess it was the WikiLeaks stuff.

00:27:48.000 But it came on, let's call it the 14th.

00:27:51.000 Well, the WikiLeaks stuff broke on the 10th, but what they did was they just deleted the 1, right?

00:27:57.000 So the 14th became the 4th.

00:27:59.000 So it looked like I had the classified WikiLeaks stuff six days before the entire world, rather than when I actually got it, which was four days after.

00:28:09.000 Like, some dude had no idea.

00:28:11.000 He's like... Have you seen this?

00:28:12.000 It's like, no, I didn't see the largest news story in the world right now for four days.

00:28:18.000 I missed it. But they literally, that was like a gotcha moment.

00:28:21.000 And they literally doctored and altered my emails, which actually is pretty much on par with what Schiff has done to others, perhaps even yourself.

00:28:31.000 Yeah, so that's the, well, yeah, he released my phone records, too.

00:28:34.000 You may remember that. But...

00:28:37.000 So they did that to you.

00:28:39.000 They set you up like that.

00:28:41.000 I mean, it was just a joke, doctored emails.

00:28:44.000 But let's talk about the real details here.

00:28:50.000 Who has something to do with Russia or a foreign adversary, now that we know?

00:28:55.000 Well, you knew the Clinton Foundation.

00:28:57.000 I give them credit.

00:28:59.000 They at least did a better job than Biden.

00:29:03.000 They set up a legal framework so that they could take in money from all of these foreign adversaries.

00:29:08.000 But you knew they were getting tons and tons of money from all of our adversaries.

00:29:12.000 The second she didn't win, their donations dropped off to almost nothing.

00:29:16.000 It was like hundreds of millions, nothing.

00:29:19.000 I mean, it shows you just how much of a scam all of this stuff is.

00:29:23.000 And yet again, the press doesn't care.

00:29:25.000 No one cares. Well, if they're doing good work internationally, there's the billion dollars in Haiti that didn't build a single home and all those kinds of things.

00:29:34.000 They're getting all this international money from Russia when, you know, she's going to win.

00:29:38.000 Trump has zero chance.

00:29:39.000 And then it goes to nothing.

00:29:43.000 Maybe they weren't actually doing good work.

00:29:45.000 Maybe this is the pay-to-play scheme that, you know, we're always talking about.

00:29:50.000 Well, it is. So the Clintons were doing that, right?

00:29:53.000 And as you rightfully point out, then it dries up when she's not going to be, when she doesn't get elected.

00:29:59.000 Then you have, we now know Biden, you know, they were taking money, what was it, $4 million from the wife of the former mayor to Moscow.

00:30:08.000 They took, I think, $4 million.

00:30:09.000 And now we're finding out that they were taking what appears to be $20 or $30 million, at least that the Republicans in Congress have found.

00:30:16.000 This is, the Bidens doing this.

00:30:18.000 Mm-hmm. And then let's talk about your good friend Adam Schiff, who doctored up the emails to basically frame you, just like the FBI did to Carter Page and Papadopoulos and everybody else.

00:30:31.000 Adam Schiff, the only guy that we know that tried to get dirt on his political opponents from Russia, was Adam Schiff.

00:30:43.000 And the fake news will never report on it.

00:30:46.000 You'll never hear about it.

00:30:47.000 But of course, I say it every possible chance that I can get.

00:30:51.000 Because it was caught on videotaped on audio. 0.98

00:30:56.000 This fool from the House Intelligence Committee, they don't tell us. 0.97

00:30:59.000 We don't know this is going on. 0.99

00:31:01.000 They're supposed to. I'm the chairman of the committee.

00:31:04.000 This fool gets on a phone call, which ends up being just like radio pranksters. 0.98

00:31:09.000 Yeah, it's like shock jocks from Ukraine. 0.99

00:31:12.000 And they catch him saying, oh, you've got compromise on Trump.

00:31:16.000 Oh, wow. Naked pictures of Trump. 0.97

00:31:18.000 You know, I mean, they're going on and on and on.

00:31:19.000 Can you get this to us?

00:31:21.000 I mean, Adam Schiff is the only one who tried to get information from Russians that we know of.

00:31:27.000 Yeah. Well, we had Anna Paulina Luna on last week, talking about her censuring Adam Schiff, and he got on the floor, I guess it was like last Thursday, and was like, well, Donald Trump Jr.

00:31:39.000 did that. I'm like, wait a second.

00:31:40.000 You fell for a shock jock.

00:31:44.000 The difference between me in 2016, 2015, whatever it was, and Adam Schiff is like...

00:31:50.000 I wasn't involved in politics.

00:31:53.000 I had no power.

00:31:55.000 The people we were actually talking about were Russian real estate developers that we'd actually looked at doing buildings with because we were actually a real estate company.

00:32:02.000 I actually passed on doing deals with them.

00:32:04.000 I didn't like the way the deal ended up being, but these were real people, and that's how business is conducted.

00:32:11.000 You maintain relationships.

00:32:12.000 That's just the real world.

00:32:14.000 Adam Schiff was on the Intelligence Committee of the United States of America and fell for shock jocks, but he can still go now, six years later, seven years later, knowing all of this and be like, Don Jr.

00:32:26.000 did this? I mean, the irony and just the total lack of self-awareness is truly spectacular, but to your point, you're 100% right.

00:32:36.000 The media doesn't even talk about it.

00:32:38.000 He could get there.

00:32:39.000 He's seen the information.

00:32:40.000 He's seen the this. It's all bullshit. 1.00

00:32:44.000 Not one person outside of guys like us on places like this would even say it. 0.99

00:32:51.000 If you said that on YouTube, you'd probably be thrown off because they'd figure out some sort of technicality You know, you put the comma in the wrong spot in the inflection in your voice, and therefore we're not going to do it, or they'll just smother it to make sure that it has no reach.

00:33:03.000 But this guy could also be a United States senator, and it's all based on lies.

00:33:09.000 Yeah. But it shows you where we've come to this point in this country where the institutions are collapsing.

00:33:19.000 And we're in this very dangerous place.

00:33:23.000 You and I could talk about all the stuff at Mar-a-Lago and all the crazy stuff that's going on with the Department of Justice.

00:33:28.000 But big picture here is this, that the media is the propaganda arm

00:33:36.000 for the left and the Democratic Party.

00:33:39.000 And last week, there's not a better example than what we saw last week.

00:33:44.000 Not one, not one.

00:33:46.000 I mean, because you had Schiff who, I mean, he's the only guy like we talked about

00:33:51.000 that actually tried to get dirt on his political opponents from Russians.

00:33:55.000 And he was celebrated.

00:33:57.000 He was celebrated, Don, across the, in the Congress.

00:34:00.000 I don't know if you saw some of those video footage.

00:34:03.000 It was like, you know, it was like, you know, I don't know, Caesar, you know, coming back to Rome or something.

00:34:08.000 They were like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:10.000 And they were attacking Kevin McCarthy on the floor of the house.

00:34:12.000 I mean, like, what planet are we in where a guy gets censored for lying, using his position, lying for, for year, year after year after year?

00:34:21.000 Yeah. And then he's still willing, like you just said, to go out there and repeat the same lies again, knowing that he's the one that got caught.

00:34:28.000 Yeah, and they're not saying, like, no, no, no, he didn't say those things, or here's some nuance that makes it accurate.

00:34:35.000 Like, he lied to the American public daily.

00:34:38.000 He said, I had committed treason, a crime punishable by death, minor details.

00:34:42.000 Like, daily. Daily.

00:34:43.000 And it's all nonsense.

00:34:45.000 We know that now, and yet it doesn't matter even a little bit.

00:34:50.000 And you're right. I guess the institutions are broken.

00:34:53.000 Big tech and mainstream media couldn't care less, provided they're moving that ball forward. 0.62

00:34:58.000 I mean, listen, we're learning about it every day now from the Biden crime family.

00:35:03.000 And I love your point that it's like, it seems like the Hillary camp

00:35:07.000 actually got this stuff on Biden when she thought that he was gonna be

00:35:11.000 the person challenging them.

00:35:12.000 They were collecting this information and they just repurposed it from Trump.

00:35:17.000 But we've learned that the IRS investigation into the apparent money laundering payments

00:35:22.000 was essentially given a stand down order from the Biden DOJ.

00:35:26.000 There's a whistleblower out there saying that they wanted to charge him with 11 counts,

00:35:31.000 11 counts, including multiple felonies, but senior DOJ attorneys stood in the way.

00:35:39.000 I mean, it shouldn't surprise us at this point, but, you know, what's your reaction to this blatant corruption we're seeing play out?

00:35:46.000 Not just during that time, but it continues. 0.99

00:35:48.000 Like, they're caught, and they're still protecting the scumbags like Hunter Biden. 0.98

00:35:53.000 I don't get it, because I look at how they qualify me. 0.98

00:35:55.000 I have a feeling I would not be given the benefit of the doubt. 0.98

00:35:59.000 No one from the DOJ, even a Trump DOJ, would be coming in to save my ass like they've done to Hunter. 0.98

00:36:06.000 But it's even bigger than that, Don. 0.98

00:36:08.000 It just shows the total collapse of all the institutions and how the media really is weaponized now.

00:36:15.000 And look, it took your father to expose it all.

00:36:21.000 You know, that's what I always, you know, I always said that, look, you know, in 17, I said, look, I'll be the first guy.

00:36:28.000 If I find out that Don Jr.

00:36:32.000 was taking money from the mayor of Moscow and from an oil company in Ukraine and from the Chinese Communist Party, and he was telling President Trump about it, I'll be the first to talk about it.

00:36:43.000 Oh, wait a second. That really did happen, but it wasn't to your family.

00:36:46.000 It actually really did happen.

00:36:48.000 Yeah. And no one cares.

00:36:51.000 I mean, those links alone would have been, to me, incredibly damaging, probably totally disqualifying from my father as president, impeachment worthy.

00:36:59.000 And yet, they actually happen.

00:37:01.000 And no one's even asking the question.

00:37:03.000 I mean, we are, Devin, according to even the Biden administration, we're on the verge of World War III, the closest we've been since the Cuban Missile Crisis, with Russia.

00:37:15.000 No one's even asking, like, hey, do you think some of our, like, anti-Russia, pro-Ukraine policy is based on the fact that maybe they've got, maybe someone has more dirt on the Bidens, on the pay-to-play scheme on this?

00:37:28.000 And we're literally conducting and giving away hundreds of billions of dollars to cover up A crime?

00:37:37.000 And, like, based on all of the facts, based on all of the information that we literally know is out there has been verified, that no one could reasonably explain, like, why Hunter's getting this kind of money, like, the fact that no one in the media is even willing to ask the question of, like, hey, are we on the verge of World War III to cover up these crimes?

00:37:57.000 Yeah. And they were just like, no, no, no, it's fine, Ukraine. 0.93

00:37:59.000 I'll put a little flag in my emoji and we're pro-Ukraine.

00:38:03.000 These are people who couldn't have found Ukraine on a map two years ago.

00:38:09.000 And you've got the fact that All of this has now been exposed. 0.97

00:38:14.000 And every day they're making themselves look more and more ridiculous. 0.84

00:38:17.000 And I think that's the point where we are in our country today. 0.98

00:38:22.000 Think about it.

00:38:24.000 You and I could not have done this.

00:38:26.000 The technology didn't exist.

00:38:28.000 The platforms didn't exist.

00:38:30.000 Even three, four, five years ago, what we're doing right now couldn't exist or didn't exist because...

00:38:36.000 Essentially, Fox News had a monopoly on the cable market.

00:38:41.000 You had Rush Limbaugh, you had Mark Levin, you had Sean Hannity.

00:38:46.000 And that's basically, that's where people receive their information on the right.

00:38:53.000 Well, now all of a sudden, there are some, I don't know, there's probably 250, maybe 300 legitimate sources for information now that are coming via these podcasts and things like this that just a few years ago didn't exist.

00:39:09.000 So the more they have tried to smother us, We're good to go.

00:39:35.000 People would go to Facebook, they'd go to Instagram, they'd go to Twitter, and they'd start putting stuff out there.

00:39:41.000 Now, as you know, a lot of it is not true, but they would come up with creative, like, oh my God, we didn't think about this.

00:39:47.000 Or, you know, a lot of times people say, hey, back in the day, I worked with You know, this FBI agent, I think he was working on this and then boom, like we'd have a lead.

00:39:56.000 And so now this has gone like, like, you know, we went from, you know, 10-15 miles an hour.

00:40:02.000 Now we're traveling at like 300 miles an hour because there's all of this information that's now getting out.

00:40:08.000 People are getting more and more views.

00:40:10.000 Yeah. It's not just reliant on Fox News and the big radio hosts anymore.

00:40:15.000 Yeah, and we've even seen conservative mainstream media censor or cover up these things.

00:40:20.000 Again, they've got advertisers that they answer to.

00:40:24.000 Those advertisers aren't exactly on our side.

00:40:26.000 I mean, I think... You know, that's perhaps what we've seen, which is like, they're just as bad at, you know, maybe not just as bad, but pretty close to just as bad on some of the big issues as the left.

00:40:38.000 And they're just not willing to engage in that.

00:40:40.000 Or, like so many of your sort of, you know, former, you know, rhino colleagues in Washington, D.C., they may know, but, you know, man, it's not worth the headache. 0.87

00:40:49.000 If I say this, I'm going to get the Washington Post hit piece on me.

00:40:54.000 And in Washington...

00:40:56.000 That's still seen as a credible source of information where it actually isn't.

00:41:00.000 You look at the discrepancy between the raid of Mar-a-Lago, and according to the whistleblower, they wanted to go look at Joe Biden's house, and people are leaking to the Biden lawyers, hey, this is coming, so just take care of it, don't worry about it. That would have been a really big deal.

00:41:19.000 In fact, they're trying to throw my father in jail for 450 years because of these things, but they're going to leak...

00:41:26.000 The Biden raid, with actual fire, without the ability to have, at the time, declassified anything.

00:41:33.000 Like, the fact sets don't even lie.

00:41:35.000 It's not even like it's close, and yet my father could face 450 years in prison, and Hunter Biden gets to let his lawyers go burn the documents.

00:41:44.000 And it's like, that's okay. Nothing to see here.

00:41:48.000 If your dad would have just decided to go play golf and not run, none of this would be happening, but we wouldn't know any of this.

00:41:58.000 There wouldn't be things like True Social that are out there, Rumble.

00:42:02.000 There wouldn't be some 250, 300 now legitimate podcasters, people out there doing investigations, doing interviews like you are.

00:42:11.000 And, you know, I even do it, you know, once a week, too, you know, because I still kept my podcast.

00:42:15.000 And now we feature true social, you know, true social users on that podcast.

00:42:21.000 This wouldn't exist if it wouldn't have been for your, I always tell people, your dad kind of has just pulled the, just ripped the Band-Aid off.

00:42:29.000 And he's exposing all of these people.

00:42:32.000 And you're exactly right.

00:42:33.000 And I was so, one of the most frustrating people Things that I had that I dealt with in Washington my last few years there was, and you just kind of mentioned it, it was my colleague's just inability to understand that when a fake news person, which most of them in the Capitol are fake news, when they come up to you, you don't have to talk to them.

00:42:59.000 Yeah. And you don't have to be bullied, by the way.

00:43:02.000 You can actually do what your constituency elected you to do, but that's the problem.

00:43:07.000 They get a taste of Washington.

00:43:08.000 They like the parties and the attention.

00:43:11.000 And all of a sudden, it's not what the people of Iowa or wherever they're from want.

00:43:18.000 It's... Right.

00:43:24.000 Right. That's exactly right.

00:43:36.000 And if you look, you know, I would get up in these, you know, private closed door meetings with my Republican colleagues and I would say, guys, why are you talking to, you know, this reporter, that reporter?

00:43:48.000 And they say, well, we have to appeal to the people in the middle.

00:43:52.000 I'm like, okay, let me put it a different way.

00:43:55.000 Would you walk over to the Democratic National Committee and sit down with five of the best trial lawyers and litigators in the country for a deposition?

00:44:05.000 Would you do that? Well, no, of course not, Devin.

00:44:08.000 You're doing that. When you walk outside of this room right now and you see five people, these are paid assassins that are only here to target you, either to get you or to get you to say something stupid. 1.00

00:44:19.000 And, you know, what I just, you know, I would just start at the end. 0.98

00:44:23.000 I mean, well, actually, it started in 2017.

00:44:26.000 I just said, look, you're fake news.

00:44:28.000 I don't talk to you. And they'd say, well, you know, when are you, you know, Donald Trump Jr., you know, he was talking to this Russian.

00:44:33.000 I said, do you understand?

00:44:35.000 I'm not talking to you or acknowledging even the question that you're asking me.

00:44:39.000 Because if you say no comment, They'd say, Don Jr.

00:44:43.000 had an email. He refused to comment because Don Jr.

00:44:47.000 is guilty of treason.

00:44:48.000 So, listen, you've been there.

00:44:50.000 You've been at the highest levels.

00:44:52.000 Is it possible to reform the DOJ? Is it possible to reform the intel agencies?

00:44:58.000 Like, are they just beyond repair?

00:45:01.000 Because, man, you've got to wonder.

00:45:02.000 And if so, what do you do?

00:45:05.000 Well, I worry about, in the grand scheme of things, the United States is going to be fine, okay, because we're a democratic republic.

00:45:13.000 Maybe it's better to be lucky than good, but we have these 50 states, and as you know, there's a stark difference now between New York City and Florida, or Washington, D.C. and Oklahoma.

00:45:27.000 So in the long run, Yeah.

00:45:37.000 Yeah.

00:45:41.000 America where people actually do things right they've been doing that for a while and I

00:45:46.000 don't you know I got to push back because it's like they've been doing it for a while

00:45:50.000 nothing has improved for you the people.

00:45:53.000 And yet, you know, still blindly vote.

00:45:55.000 Hey, we need an election.

00:45:56.000 We need 50,000 votes from that market.

00:45:58.000 Congratulations. You know, Joe Biden can lose 18 of 19 bellwethers, but still manage to magically, magically outperform Barack Obama in 08 in Atlanta.

00:46:10.000 Philadelphia, Detroit.

00:46:11.000 I mean, yeah, it's very believable stuff, Devin.

00:46:14.000 And yet it happens.

00:46:16.000 You're not allowed to question it.

00:46:17.000 Even if you do, then you're branded up right.

00:46:19.000 You're thrown off every platform imaginable.

00:46:21.000 You're never given another soapbox to speak from.

00:46:24.000 I think this is where a place like Truth can come in because the people who've been proven right about this, whether it's about Wuhan, whether it's about election stuff, whether it's about all these things, can continue to talk.

00:46:35.000 Man, these things have been going on for a while.

00:46:39.000 Perhaps the greatest success of the Trump presidency was putting this all out in the open.

00:46:43.000 Now everyone who's willing to look can see just how flagrant it is, just how biased it is.

00:46:51.000 I don't know. It feels like it's continuing and not a lot of changing.

00:46:55.000 There's a point when you look at the rights they want to infringe upon, there's a point that once you give up, there's no coming back from it.

00:47:03.000 And man, if we're not on the Rubicon, we're certainly not too far to this side of it.

00:47:09.000 If anything, we've crossed it.

00:47:10.000 How do you ever get back where you can reclaim the things that mattered to America historically?

00:47:17.000 Yeah, look, you say the Rubicon.

00:47:19.000 We have passed the Rubicon here.

00:47:22.000 This is, and if my former colleagues and people in America, I think that generally the average American that pays attention, that's watching this and watching some 300 different podcasters getting their information from places other than the fake news, They know this is wrong.

00:47:39.000 I mean, my God, Don, I'm getting calls from people.

00:47:42.000 I mean, every time your dad gets arrested, I'm taking calls from people that I used to work with in my former life, people from foreign countries, saying, did this really just happen in America?

00:47:55.000 Like, what the hell are you guys doing there?

00:47:57.000 So foreigners get it. 1.00

00:47:58.000 We look like a joke overseas.

00:48:00.000 We've lost all credibility.

00:48:02.000 The American people If you're not living in an inner city, just being treated like a mushroom, you're getting it.

00:48:09.000 And I think it shows in the polls.

00:48:10.000 I mean, your dad had a funny line last weekend.

00:48:14.000 Where he was, I think he was at the Faith and Freedom Coalition, and it's kind of, it's sad, but funny at the same time, that your dad's probably the first person in history that has been indicted twice, arrested twice, and his poll numbers have went up.

00:48:34.000 Now, that's happening because people know this is wrong.

00:48:39.000 People know we've passed the Rubicon.

00:48:41.000 People knew. I mean, think of it.

00:48:43.000 When Donald Trump started going up in the polls, it was when the raid on Mar-a-Lago happened.

00:48:50.000 Wow. That's when he really started because people said enough is enough.

00:48:53.000 And I can tell you just, you know, now I've seen people that, and you know, you know, the type of folks, I mean, obviously your dad has this huge, MAGA is the biggest political movement in modern history, you know, and I say modern, like the last hundred years, there's nothing that compares to this political movement.

00:49:11.000 And that he's had.

00:49:12.000 But what I've seen breaking over the last month or so have been people that have said, well, you know, even though your dad hasn't tweeted in freaking years, you know, oh, he was mean on this, he was mean on that.

00:49:28.000 Maybe we should go with somebody that is nicer.

00:49:33.000 You know the people. I always ask, what are the policies you didn't like?

00:49:36.000 Was it Middle East peace?

00:49:39.000 Was it prosperity?

00:49:40.000 Was it energy independence?

00:49:43.000 Was it ending endless wars?

00:49:46.000 Which one? Because I don't think there's literally a single metric, economic or otherwise, where we're better off now.

00:49:53.000 You mentioned the faith and freedom event.

00:49:55.000 Those people in Joe Biden's America and under Joe Biden's DOJ are considered domestic terrorists because those are the mothers that would go to a PTA meeting and be like I don't need my children indoctrinated with trans BS or BLM nonsense or whatever it may be. 1.00

00:50:11.000 Those are domestic terrorists.

00:50:13.000 But the people flashing children at all these drag shows, they're not for children, but if the children can't attend, we're not going to host it.

00:50:20.000 They're definitely not groomers.

00:50:22.000 We're told that. This is the social justice issue of the century, according to Joe Biden.

00:50:27.000 I mean, who's actually representing real Americans anymore in D.C.? Right, right. 0.54

00:50:33.000 Well, and that's my point, is that between the crazy, weird trans stuff that nobody understands, between the economy, between how we look overseas, and then the arrest of the primary political opponent of the administration, I'm seeing these people who are now finally waking up. 0.96

00:50:52.000 You know, they're conservative generally, but they don't really pay attention too much to politics.

00:50:58.000 Now you're seeing your father now, people are saying, oh, wait a second.

00:51:01.000 Yeah. Wow, this is different.

00:51:03.000 This is not okay.

00:51:05.000 And that's why I believe your dad's poll numbers are going up because I think people are waking up to the fact that That this can't go on, and who's the only guy that can fix it?

00:51:16.000 And I believe, you know, because you asked me a question, how can you, can it be fixed?

00:51:19.000 Look, it's going to be very difficult, but I can tell you that, and I know almost all the candidates that are running, you know, I've known many of them for a long time, and I can tell you that the only guy, this is going to be a tough thing to fix, because you've got to have somebody who's willing to go in there and flip up all the tools.

00:51:34.000 Yeah, that's the difference. Not just tell you you're going to do it, but then actually do it once you're given the ability.

00:51:39.000 And now with Trump with the inside knowledge, Yeah, I get that.

00:51:42.000 That's a no brand. And that's right.

00:51:43.000 I was with your dad last week, and he just didn't...

00:51:50.000 And I think you mentioned it earlier on the show here today, that you go to Washington, your dad was a New York business guy, and he just thinks that...

00:52:02.000 Well, you know, Jeff Sessions has been a senator for a long time.

00:52:07.000 He must know how this works.

00:52:08.000 He endorsed him.

00:52:09.000 Your dad was being loyal to him to put him in the position of DOJ. But then you realize, and this is no attack on Jeff Sessions, but I do think it's an important point to make here, kind of back on what we were talking about.

00:52:24.000 Think about what they had on Jeff Sessions. 0.58

00:52:27.000 Jeff Sessions, you know, Comey and what other dipshit walk into Sessions' office and say, We think we have you. 0.91

00:52:34.000 You spoke to the Russian ambassador.

00:52:36.000 Is this true, Senator? Not that I remember.

00:52:41.000 Well, instead of Jeff Sessions, what he should have said at the time was, go to hell, get the hell out of my office right now. 0.98

00:52:47.000 I'm going to go to the president because you need to be fired. 0.98

00:52:50.000 That's what he should have said. 0.97

00:52:52.000 But instead, and they made a big deal about this, and think how ridiculous this is.

00:52:57.000 They found Jeff Sessions, the former senator, in 2016 at some point, was at an event in Washington, D.C. with hundreds of people, of which the Russian ambassador was there, Don.

00:53:08.000 Now, do you know how many times I was with the Russian ambassador?

00:53:12.000 I used to say this to the news, the fake news.

00:53:15.000 I said, well, I saw the Russian ambassador numerous times.

00:53:17.000 Oh, you did? Yeah, at this state dinner, at this State of the Union.

00:53:21.000 Matter of fact, it was at the White House where Obama was there, too.

00:53:24.000 I mean, are you going to arrest Obama because the Russian ambassador was there?

00:53:27.000 So you had – your dad thought a guy like Jeff Sessions knew the process, knew what to do, but he was just weak.

00:53:35.000 And that's the difference now is your dad's got people – Like, you know, John Ratcliffe and a guy who's done all these jobs, you know, a guy like that, you know, somebody like that could come back in the administration.

00:53:48.000 He knows how DOJ works.

00:53:50.000 He knows how FBI and the intelligence agencies work.

00:53:53.000 So there's a whole stable of people.

00:53:56.000 That are working with America First Policy Institute, with Linda McMahon, Bob Lighthizer.

00:54:02.000 For all the fake news, well, I mean, some of it's not fake.

00:54:07.000 There was a lot of people who disappointed us a lot in terms of how they conducted themselves in the administration. 0.91

00:54:14.000 But they failed to focus on the rock stars, the people who kicked ass, like a Bob Lighthizer.

00:54:21.000 I mean, here's a guy who was hated And Bob Leihiser, for the viewers, he was the U.S. trade representative. 0.60

00:54:30.000 He had previously worked for Reagan.

00:54:32.000 He was a lawyer. And he was kind of ostracized from kind of the mainstream beltway because he was a guy who said, hey...

00:54:41.000 Yeah, he says, hey, China might be a problem here.

00:54:45.000 Just China could pose a problem for the United States. 0.97

00:54:47.000 So he was seeing all the globalists, all the corporatists.

00:54:50.000 And I was on the Ways and Means Committee where we dealt with trade.

00:54:54.000 And I remember when your dad made that choice.

00:54:57.000 And I didn't know Bob very well.

00:54:58.000 I just knew the reputation as an anti-China guy.

00:55:00.000 And I had all these core people like, oh, my God, this is going to be horrible.

00:55:04.000 This is the worst thing ever. 0.67

00:55:06.000 Lighthizer is crazy. 1.00

00:55:08.000 He has all these crazy beliefs. 0.99

00:55:09.000 Well, look. What actually happened?

00:55:11.000 Thank God your dad picked somebody like Lighthizer who was able to put in place these tariffs.

00:55:17.000 And I think President Trump would have probably done even more.

00:55:22.000 I think Lighthizer would have pushed him more.

00:55:24.000 And I think now we know those guys are there.

00:55:27.000 They're solid people. There's a bunch of them.

00:55:29.000 And I think that you always have to see the good.

00:55:34.000 At the end of the day, like we talked about, there's 50 states.

00:55:38.000 A lot of these states aren't going back.

00:55:40.000 They're not going to be communist. And there's going to be a lot of good people, and hopefully your dad can get through the finish line here without spending 450 years in prison.

00:55:50.000 Yeah, exactly. Or a brutal primary.

00:55:54.000 Honestly, it seems like a lot of the people getting involved in the primary on the Republican side are literally there just to force...

00:56:03.000 To force, basically, a drain of the funds that will be required to be able to take on the Democrat machine.

00:56:10.000 I mean, you're familiar with the Democrat machine in California, but it's becoming that way across the country, right?

00:56:15.000 You know, an average congressional race, they're outspending us five or ten to one.

00:56:21.000 You know, sort of the in-kind contribution from the mainstream media, who's, again, trying to do gotcha stuff to any Republican while artificially doing the exact opposite I mean, you know, talk about that.

00:56:37.000 I mean, we talked about, obviously, the bias in the media and everything that's going on, but, you know, there are, you know, the other avenues.

00:56:45.000 I mean, you went on to become the CEO of Truth Social.

00:56:48.000 Tell us about what's going on there, how that's looking, about growth, the engagement.

00:56:52.000 There, because again, I think people need an alternative venue.

00:56:55.000 I think Rumble's been a great thing, and they're free speech.

00:56:58.000 There's people on the other side on Rumble, but they're allowed to say what they actually think, rather than, you're only allowed to say the narrative, and if you veer off too far, you know, Maybe you can contest the narrative a little bit, but only like 10%.

00:57:10.000 If you say this, you're off and it no longer matters.

00:57:14.000 Tell us about what's going on at Truth Social, because I know I see it in the comments a lot.

00:57:18.000 People are curious what's happened and talk about that, because that is, you know, even with the changes in Twitter, they're still...

00:57:26.000 You know, the inmates, in my opinion, are still oftentimes running the asylum.

00:57:31.000 You know, you can fire 50% of something, but if that 50% was still 100% radical big tech Democrats, there's only so much you can do to change that.

00:57:43.000 This is the way that I think people have to look at this.

00:57:48.000 I always tell people, you know, I didn't need a new job.

00:57:52.000 Donald Trump, I was perfectly fine in Congress.

00:57:54.000 I would have been the chairman of the Ways and Means Committee.

00:57:57.000 President Trump didn't need a new company.

00:57:59.000 But we were forced to go out there because people, the American people had lost their voice.

00:58:05.000 People couldn't communicate. I mean, whether it was on vaccines or anything political, it was being censored left and right.

00:58:12.000 So they said, go out and, you know, they always always say, well, if you guys don't like big tech, you Republicans can go build your own company.

00:58:18.000 So President Trump, myself, I mean, that's what we're doing.

00:58:21.000 I mean, with your help.

00:58:23.000 Build your own, but then they try to stop you in every way.

00:58:25.000 You know, it's all a big lie.

00:58:27.000 I mean, that's the problem. Everything they do is a big lie.

00:58:29.000 Like, build your own, then Amazon Web Services.

00:58:32.000 No, you can't use our servers. It's like, you know, they want to say it to make it appear as though, you know, they want for that.

00:58:40.000 Maybe this is a little biased, but like, they want for you to be able to compete, but they don't.

00:58:44.000 They want entire control of the narrative.

00:58:47.000 Yeah, and think about how this started.

00:58:49.000 You know, if you think back to a year ago, a little over a year ago, when we first launched and we were beta testing, we launched on Apple first and then we went open up on the web and we finally got into the Google Play Store for Android, which didn't happen, by the way, until October.

00:59:03.000 A lot of people forget that.

00:59:05.000 But we have an entire closed loop system that doesn't rely on Amazon or Microsoft or Oracle or pick your poison.

00:59:14.000 None of them. Between us and Rumble, we have built this closed loop system that's global to where now people can speak freely.

00:59:24.000 And, you know, at first they said, oh, they can never do it.

00:59:26.000 Nobody will work for them, right?

00:59:28.000 That was the first thing. And then they said, oh, it's not going to work.

00:59:30.000 Nobody, it just can't work.

00:59:32.000 They can't do it. Well, all of that, now they have to say, Don, it's funny, the fake news, now they have to actually admit, instead of it not working and it being terrible and all the bad things that we're going to, supposedly, that we weren't going to be able to do, the best they can come up with now is that, well, it's a niche platform of MAGA people, right?

00:59:53.000 Well, guess what? 0.98

00:59:54.000 The MAGA people didn't have anywhere to go, you jerks, because you would ban them from all the other platforms. 0.99

00:59:59.000 And so they can no longer say that this is not a massive audience. 0.98

01:00:03.000 I mean, when you look at the big picture, Donald Trump has more followers today on True Social than he had on Twitter when he came down the escalator to run for president.

01:00:15.000 What are they doing now?

01:00:16.000 So this has been created.

01:00:20.000 Now, what are they doing to us?

01:00:22.000 And this is a question that we get all the time.

01:00:24.000 We want to have access to the public capital markets.

01:00:30.000 And, you know, there's a merger in place.

01:00:33.000 It's supposed to be done. But, of course, it's being blocked.

01:00:36.000 And it's being blocked by who?

01:00:38.000 It's being blocked by a guy named Gensler, who's the head of SEC. Now, Gensler has an interesting history with me and with your dad.

01:00:47.000 And we started out this conversation.

01:00:49.000 And I don't even know if you know about this.

01:00:51.000 But through our investigation into the Russia hoax, we found out, we had to figure out Who paid for the dossier?

01:01:00.000 Who authorized these payments?

01:01:02.000 I don't know this, but I already see where it's going, and it never ends.

01:01:07.000 I guess I shouldn't be surprised anymore, but continue.

01:01:11.000 So... Gary Gensler, the head of the SEC, is who we discovered.

01:01:17.000 He was the treasurer for the Clinton campaign.

01:01:21.000 At the end of the day, he was the one who funded the dossier.

01:01:24.000 He figured out a way to launder the money through three different ways to get it to Christopher Steele to produce this dossier.

01:01:31.000 I mean, you can't make this stuff up. 0.96

01:01:32.000 You want to know one even more ridiculous? 0.89

01:01:35.000 One of the top people at the SEC That deals with enforcement, has been there for a long time, is somebody by the name of Hodgman. 0.95

01:01:47.000 Well, she happens to be the wife of...

01:01:51.000 I'll give you one guess.

01:01:54.000 Let's say Gary...

01:01:56.000 What's that? Peter Strzok.

01:01:59.000 Are you serious? So that's not Lisa Page, the one he had the affair with, who was going to stop...

01:02:08.000 No. Yeah, you didn't know this.

01:02:10.000 That I didn't know. I was thinking you were maybe going to go to Gensler.

01:02:13.000 I was like, that seems really close, but that's almost even worse.

01:02:16.000 So the actual wife of Peter Strzok, not the one who became famous by having the affair with Peter Strzok, but I guess that was Lisa Page.

01:02:28.000 His wife, that was Lisa Page.

01:02:29.000 But his actual wife is the person in charge of enforcement at the SEC. So these are people, let's just see that.

01:02:36.000 They don't exactly like Trump.

01:02:38.000 They're not exactly fair-minded or open-minded to their political leanings.

01:02:44.000 These are partisan hacks, and these are the people ultimately deciding whether that merger,

01:02:49.000 that's the DWAC Truth Social merger, can actually happen.

01:02:54.000 Yeah, and look, these are the things that we've been, you know, that Congress, you know,

01:02:59.000 is now trying to uncover because this is massive corruption here.

01:03:05.000 I mean, they are basically trying to kill our access to the capital markets by people who should have – these people should be recused.

01:03:15.000 And they're not recused.

01:03:16.000 And you know why we know they're not recused?

01:03:18.000 Because Gensler's been asked about this.

01:03:20.000 The SEC's been asked about this.

01:03:21.000 And look, in any normal, we talk about institutions collapsing and institutions failing.

01:03:26.000 I mean, if I was running the SEC and there was some merger involving some Democratic Party operative or something, I mean, look, first of all, I'd have 75 fake news people, are you working on this merger?

01:03:40.000 But I would say, look, I'm not going to work on this merger, right?

01:03:44.000 If I was on the SEC, I'm not going to do it.

01:03:46.000 This is the opposite.

01:03:48.000 I mean, clearly these people, by not coming out and saying that we're not involved in this, this is being treated differently than any SPAC in history.

01:03:56.000 And look, it's September 8th is when it expires.

01:04:01.000 I mean, your dad's agreement is already up and You know, it's horrible what's happening here.

01:04:07.000 But, you know, hopefully Congress can get to the corruption.

01:04:11.000 We're trying to help them as much as we can.

01:04:16.000 They're running an investigation.

01:04:18.000 And I think what you're going to find at the end of this is going to be the same thing that you found in the Russia hoax and Ukraine impeachment hoax and everything else.

01:04:26.000 This is purely political.

01:04:28.000 It's the weaponization of government.

01:04:31.000 And hopefully Jim Jordan with his committee can take this whole situation for the last year and a half and possibly you'll find that smoking gun that ultimately Gensler and these people could be held accountable for what is really just the politicization of the SEC. Because remember, the goal of the SEC, they have a clear mission, Don.

01:04:53.000 Yeah. Number one is to protect companies like ours, private companies that are trying to go public so that we don't get taken advantage of, which, by the way, we're being taken advantage of right now.

01:05:04.000 Without us having access to these capital markets, how do you compete with Amazon or Microsoft?

01:05:12.000 Secondly, they're supposed to look out for people that buy the stock.

01:05:16.000 Well, they're not doing either of those.

01:05:18.000 I don't think they care.

01:05:23.000 There's also no outrage from the people in the media that if you were doing this to the liberal platforms, that's all of them, or liberal media, they'd be out there screaming I think we're good to go.

01:05:59.000 You know what? Well, I don't know.

01:06:01.000 That's a threat to us and our hegemony and our power and everything that we have.

01:06:05.000 So we're just going to turn a blind eye to it like everything else.

01:06:08.000 And again, when you look at the cast of characters now involved and you look back over Russia, it's like, how do they keep getting those same people magically in the loop?

01:06:19.000 They're magically, you know, oh, shockingly, it's this person's the person that's going to let Hunter Biden go.

01:06:24.000 Shockingly, you know, this was the person that was slated to be Joe Biden's ambassador.

01:06:27.000 Like... There is no such thing as coincidence, and there's definitely no such thing as this much coincidence.

01:06:35.000 It's literally, statistically impossible, and yet it's happening every day, and the silence is deafening.

01:06:43.000 Yeah, I just call them the plumbers.

01:06:45.000 I mean, anybody who was involved in the Obama-Biden administration, if you did the bidding, if you did things, cover-ups, if you engaged in corrupt activity, even criminal activity, you failed upward.

01:07:00.000 You're now in charge. That's basically what's happened here, is that they've rewarded all of these political creatures We're good to go.

01:07:24.000 And then all the people at the top have been people that have been vetted by them.

01:07:29.000 You know, no different than I think one of the best examples is the, and you don't really need to look any further, the letter from the 51 intelligence agencies to say that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation was coordinated by Mike Murrell, a guy who was a high-level intelligence official, CIA, who knew better.

01:07:52.000 He knew it wasn't Russian disinformation.

01:07:54.000 And coordinated with Tony Blinken.

01:07:58.000 If you don't know who Tony Blinken is, he's now currently the Secretary of State, arguably the number three in the United States government.

01:08:06.000 Yeah, that sounds like quid pro quo, but that's just me.

01:08:09.000 I mean, they're literally rewarding the worst actors.

01:08:13.000 But you could go back further than that, right?

01:08:15.000 How many of the same cast of characters, whether it's, you know, Strzok or Brennan, I mean, they lied before Congress.

01:08:23.000 Like, it's clear.

01:08:24.000 It's not like it's subjective or like maybe there's some nuance.

01:08:28.000 Like, they lied before Congress.

01:08:31.000 If I lied before Congress, I'd be in jail for perjury.

01:08:34.000 They would be throwing the book at me.

01:08:36.000 These guys, not only does nothing happen to them, they get, like, they're contributors at CNN or MSDNC, and they get paid.

01:08:42.000 They were rewarded big jobs.

01:08:45.000 And I get to see them, as every news day breaks, This is not about democracy and honor and truth.

01:08:53.000 I'm like, you lied before Congress, before the American people.

01:08:57.000 You abused your position of power.

01:09:00.000 And it's like, you're the guy that's going to lecture us on honesty and decency and literally anything.

01:09:08.000 You have ceded that moral high ground so many times over, and yet they have no shame.

01:09:14.000 They'll keep doing it because, I guess, there's no reason not to.

01:09:19.000 Look, we've talked about a lot of different stories and different threads that we're pulling back on here today, but think about this one.

01:09:29.000 This is one of the things that Durham was able to uncover.

01:09:33.000 Some of this was exposed by John Ratcliffe.

01:09:37.000 He declassified some of this information, but I think Durham was actually able to put it together.

01:09:42.000 So, you know, we talked early in the show about, you know, how the Russia hoax started and how they did an Intelligence Committee assessment, and then they briefed us in early 2017.

01:09:54.000 Well, we now know through Durham's investigation that Brennan, the head of the CIA, knew in late July, August, and had actually briefed Obama and Biden that this was a Hillary Clinton campaign stunt, that they were in full operation on this.

01:10:15.000 Everybody knew, Don.

01:10:17.000 Everybody knew. And that's just lost on people.

01:10:19.000 Let's just start there.

01:10:21.000 The head of the CIA briefed the president, the vice president.

01:10:24.000 Everybody had to know. So then fast forward a few months into late 2016, when they launched this ICA, Wait a second.

01:10:31.000 You launch an ICA. You participate in the Intelligence Committee assessment, but you don't talk about how the Clinton campaign, you know that they're trying to smear the Trump campaign with this.

01:10:42.000 That doesn't make it into the ICA. Then you fast forward, you use that information in the ICA. Brennan was in the room when Comey briefed us on this.

01:10:51.000 We don't know where this came from.

01:10:52.000 It could be serious. It's Russia, the pee tapes. 1.00

01:10:55.000 He knew he was in the room.

01:11:00.000 It's just a great example of how everything has just devolved into total chaos.

01:11:09.000 And if you are a Republican, especially if you are a Trump Republican, it's just a tough place in Washington, D.C. The whole government is lined up against you.

01:11:18.000 So how does this all play out, you know, for 2024?

01:11:21.000 Again, I do think slowly but surely, you know, there's plenty of Americans that just, you know, they're not into this stuff like we are or the people perhaps even watching the show, right?

01:11:29.000 They're working hard to try to live their American dream.

01:11:32.000 They're trying to put food on the table in the Joe Biden economy that's getting harder and harder to do on a daily basis.

01:11:38.000 You know, they may not know this.

01:11:41.000 They may not see it. And even if they're starting to get there, how does all of this play out?

01:11:45.000 You know, we talked about sort of the alternate forms of media.

01:11:48.000 I think, you know, media has probably never been less trusted than it is right now.

01:11:52.000 And so, again, there's plenty of great people talking about this stuff on Truth.

01:11:56.000 There's plenty of people talking about it on Rumble.

01:11:57.000 Actually getting, you know, the real news out there, not the sort of whitewash 10% of the truth and let's still protect the narrative and the people in power.

01:12:08.000 How do you see this playing out in 2024?

01:12:11.000 How do you see the primary politics playing out right now?

01:12:14.000 Because I see all these people competing in the primary that, I mean, I don't even get it.

01:12:21.000 What do you see happening in the coming 18 months?

01:12:25.000 Well, let's take the primary.

01:12:28.000 I mean, clearly there's a movement within some of the candidates.

01:12:34.000 Like I said, I think I know almost all of them.

01:12:37.000 They're clearly being put up to run by someone.

01:12:41.000 Is that to drain the coffers to make it harder to fight?

01:12:44.000 Meaning, is that basically a shadow campaign to allow Joe Biden another four years?

01:12:49.000 Because they would rather see that, even with the disaster, even this, because it doesn't affect them, because they're permanent Washington, as opposed to, you know, America first.

01:12:59.000 Like, their biggest fear is Trump.

01:13:01.000 So it's like, they would rather have Joe Biden than Trump, even if As conservatives, they don't actually disagree with any of the Trump policies.

01:13:10.000 I sort of forgot to mention it earlier.

01:13:12.000 It's like, those who are like, well, you know, Trump, I don't want the drama.

01:13:16.000 It's like, well, do you think the drama was ever created by lies like four years of a Steele dossier or pee tapes or going after your family?

01:13:23.000 And if someone did that to you, would you also fight back and maybe not have the bedside manner that you'd love to have on a daily basis?

01:13:33.000 Well, look, and that was kind of my point I was trying to make earlier, that President Trump never really got to be president because he was dealing with this whole propaganda machine that was out there smearing him on a daily basis that involved our own government, right?

01:13:46.000 This is not the old days where the DNC sends out a press conference.

01:13:50.000 You've got kind of a dirty trick that happens in October right before the election that everybody, oh, we've seen this before.

01:13:57.000 No. This was the government weaponized against the incoming, the candidate for president, the incoming president, all during the presidency.

01:14:04.000 And now as the leading candidate, all of this is weaponized.

01:14:07.000 That's why we passed the Rubicon.

01:14:09.000 So I don't, you know, you've got, I think what's happening right now, you've got the three or four people that are running that are simply running just to attack Donald Trump, to kill off MAGA. And they are being financed by billionaires, Wall Street people, lobbyists.

01:14:27.000 Then you've got, I think there's a few candidates that are out there that are running for another position.

01:14:32.000 They're running for vice president, running for maybe to be in a cabinet post in the Trump administration.

01:14:40.000 And then you've got, I think, a lot of the kind of billionaire money went behind Ron DeSantis, who I served with in Congress.

01:14:49.000 He's been the governor of Florida.

01:14:51.000 He owes all of his success to Donald Trump. 0.93

01:14:56.000 So we're clear, he was going to lose to a meth addict.

01:15:00.000 Right. You know, like, just so we understand.

01:15:04.000 And so, yeah, that's why it's a little disappointing.

01:15:06.000 But it's interesting watching him get out there.

01:15:08.000 It's like, you know, and I don't know that anyone spent more time on a campaign trail with him that wasn't part of his campaign than me in 2018.

01:15:16.000 And it's sort of like what's interesting is sort of the image created online does not exactly line up with the personality that you get.

01:15:24.000 And I sort of, I knew that because having spent as much time, it's sort of interesting watching all of that collapse.

01:15:29.000 Like once you actually You realize that so much of that image is literally a creation by paid influencers.

01:15:39.000 Yeah, and I think, look, that's no matter how much money you can put into someone in someone's campaign, at the end of the day, this is the largest political movement in history that the billionaires and the corporate people, they don't want to admit it.

01:15:50.000 The lobbyists in Washington, D.C., even a lot of my colleagues, they don't understand.

01:15:55.000 And they think, oh, it's just Donald Trump.

01:15:59.000 Sure, he's a big personality.

01:16:01.000 But I mean, as we know, he's one of the most popular figures in modern history.

01:16:06.000 But what they're not recognizing is, is that the American people are pissed off.

01:16:11.000 And as you know, your dad believes in a few things that are really important,

01:16:16.000 that really resonate with people. And that is, you know, number one, it always bothered him to see

01:16:21.000 all of those empty factories that he grew up with as a kid.

01:16:25.000 He'd see them in New Jersey, New York, all through the Rust Belt. He, as you know, Don,

01:16:29.000 he believes that.

01:16:30.000 He thinks that's wrong.

01:16:31.000 And he ran on that.

01:16:33.000 I mean, he believes it to his core.

01:16:34.000 That's a core belief you can't take away.

01:16:36.000 Nobody wants to admit it.

01:16:37.000 And of course, you've got the corporate elites who don't want that.

01:16:40.000 They want somebody that they can control.

01:16:42.000 And they don't like that Donald Trump is going to, once again, probably increase tariffs on China.

01:16:48.000 Yeah, they can be all conservative, but not if it costs you a half a cent more to make your widget, in which case they're going to roll over and kowtow to China.

01:16:57.000 And I mean, all of corporate America is that way, right?

01:17:00.000 You know, you have the electric power stuff.

01:17:02.000 Well, where's all the batteries coming from?

01:17:04.000 China. Where's all the rare earth minerals coming?

01:17:06.000 And who controls that all over the world? 0.58

01:17:08.000 China. They can pretend to be against China, but when it really comes down to it, they're not going to be.

01:17:13.000 Or, even if they want to be, their donors, the people that actually control them, they don't want to be, and therefore it's not going to happen.

01:17:21.000 So it's all a lie.

01:17:23.000 You know, they're going to say this on a stage.

01:17:25.000 Once they get power, does anyone really believe they're going to do that?

01:17:28.000 We saw that, you know, the Ron DeSantis flip on Ukraine.

01:17:31.000 He sort of tried taking the Trump position, maybe the Trump-lite position, and then, oh, no, no, no, Ukraine is the biggest issue for all Republicans all over the world.

01:17:38.000 It's like, We must flip.

01:17:40.000 In two days, he lied to Tucker Carlson and flipped his thing the second the donors called him and said, that's not what we want.

01:17:46.000 And that's the problem.

01:17:47.000 People have to understand the difference between what they're told and what they will ultimately get.

01:17:52.000 And those are two very divergent things.

01:17:56.000 Yeah, and look, and you can't, and the other issue is that Donald Trump, and now his third campaign, he's got the largest donor base in history.

01:18:14.000 Oh, this is just personality politics.

01:18:16.000 No, that's people out there that want to give five bucks, 10 bucks, 20 bucks.

01:18:20.000 You see it every single day.

01:18:21.000 You see it on true social because they believe in the cause.

01:18:25.000 They believe that, hey, maybe it's a problem having all these empty factories, you know,

01:18:30.000 across the United States.

01:18:31.000 Maybe it's a problem to have this trade deficit.

01:18:33.000 Maybe it's a problem that we look weak on the foreign stage.

01:18:36.000 Maybe it's a problem that the military has gone woke and we look totally inept and that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I was there during all of that.

01:18:46.000 I mean, I have many...

01:18:48.000 I was the head of the Intelligence Committee.

01:18:52.000 There's so many things that we did wrong.

01:18:56.000 And so your dad comes in and says, look, we're not going to do that stuff anymore.

01:18:59.000 And it resonates with people.

01:19:01.000 So you essentially have the elites that are backing a few just kamikaze candidates.

01:19:07.000 I actually think that it's hard to know everything here, Don.

01:19:12.000 But I think that the DeSantis campaign has really fell flat.

01:19:18.000 And I think now, at least from what I'm hearing, because I still talk to some of these insiders, they've basically left DeSantis, and now they're trying to find another candidate.

01:19:27.000 You know, because they just can't.

01:19:29.000 That's what you see. You see that.

01:19:30.000 Doug Burgum, the governor of North Dakota, is getting in.

01:19:33.000 Like, I've campaigned with the guy, and yet, like...

01:19:37.000 I couldn't... If you would actually put a picture, I'd be like, oh, I know that guy, but I have no idea who...

01:19:41.000 You know, not exactly like a national stage-type figure, right?

01:19:46.000 Not someone you think of, and yet I think he sees that opening.

01:19:49.000 And again, whether it's playing for VP or something else, they see that sort of collapse of the one that was anointed, and he's taking on, and he's making all these gains, and then all of a sudden, you know, not so much.

01:19:59.000 But, you know, maybe do that.

01:20:00.000 I mean, you talked about all the places where, you know, the woke military, the woke...

01:20:05.000 The insanity of this, the indoctrination of our children.

01:20:09.000 You know, compare and contrast the Democrat and the Republican infrastructure right now, because with all of the things that are just going on that are insane, that aren't resonating with the American people, that just make absolutely no sense, how is it, though, still that Republicans are consistently getting outspent?

01:20:28.000 Why does it seem like Even when the Republicans are in power, the Democrats somehow still maintain control.

01:20:35.000 They can have those things as, like, key aspects of their policy.

01:20:40.000 You know, your child should be three, and they can change their gender, permanently mutilating your body, and it's okay. 1.00

01:20:47.000 Is it just the federal bureaucracy protecting them, just the mainstream media? 0.69

01:20:52.000 Because I don't think that resonates with anyone but the lunatic fringe of the left.

01:20:57.000 And yet... They seem to get away with it without consequence. 0.83

01:21:00.000 And frankly, they still have the machine to get some going.

01:21:05.000 Yeah, I mean, one thing you have to remember, they have, you know, everybody's, you know, the Soros money.

01:21:09.000 I mean, look, the Soros money is real.

01:21:11.000 I mean, they don't hide from it. You know, he just, you know, handed off his empire to his son who brags about how political he is.

01:21:18.000 So they have billionaires that are dedicated to Marxism that are funding this.

01:21:24.000 On the right, the business, you know, more of the business guys, conservatives, sure, I mean, sure, look, we've got a lot of very patriotic business people that support the Republican Party, but you also have a bunch of them that are just in the middle, and they're listening to their lobbyists, their consultants, their Wall Street people, and that's why they're funneling money, you know, to other places.

01:21:43.000 Now, I think the big question you asked, like, what's going to happen?

01:21:47.000 You know, how are you going to win?

01:21:48.000 Right. It all comes down to blocking and tackling.

01:21:52.000 And I guess the good part is that the number of states that are actually up for grabs is very, very small.

01:21:57.000 So when you look at the ballot harvesting, all of those things, it's not a large playing field that we have to go out and compete on.

01:22:07.000 You know, look, I was in Washington last week.

01:22:10.000 I talked to many of my former colleagues from Pennsylvania.

01:22:14.000 I mean, look, they think that Donald Trump's doing very, very well in Pennsylvania.

01:22:18.000 I'm not talking about the primary.

01:22:20.000 I'm talking about for the general election.

01:22:22.000 So, you know, and he's only got to win either Pennsylvania or Wisconsin, Michigan, and one of those he's got to win.

01:22:29.000 He doesn't have to win all three, but he's got to win one, along with Georgia and Arizona.

01:22:33.000 So I just have to believe that no matter how much propaganda you push out there, look, you can't, if people, if the economy's suffering, you've got high gas prices and all of that, you can't hide from it.

01:22:46.000 You now have, what, some two-thirds of American people think that Biden is not up for the task.

01:22:52.000 That can't be good. The other third are idiots, Devin. 1.00

01:22:57.000 Come on. The other third are asleep, taking a nap. 1.00

01:23:03.000 But look, I still believe, and I've said this very publicly, that I just don't think Biden's going to ultimately be their nominee.

01:23:14.000 So what happens there?

01:23:15.000 I mean, you see a lot of the stuff right now.

01:23:18.000 You're from California.

01:23:19.000 You see Gavin Newsom's doing the big push on getting involved in stuff.

01:23:24.000 I mean, I'm not sure he's got the record to necessarily run on...

01:23:28.000 I don't know that California is the...

01:23:31.000 Sure, it's a beautiful state and has nice weather and incredible scenery, but I don't know if there's a lot of successes I'd look at for California to be like, hey, I want to California, the rest of America.

01:23:42.000 So what do you think is going on with that for 2024 on the Democrat side?

01:23:46.000 Well, look, I think he's running a shadow campaign for president, without question.

01:23:52.000 There's a bunch of others that are trying to probably figure it out.

01:23:54.000 And then you have Obama, the Obama team.

01:23:59.000 Then this broke last week.

01:24:00.000 It didn't get much play. But he's secretly, privately meeting with other Democrats across the country, trying to figure out I'm basically reading the tea leaves here, but what it reads is they're trying to figure out what they're going to do when Biden falls.

01:24:18.000 And he could fall on a number of different fronts, but it almost doesn't matter whether he has health issues or his legal issues.

01:24:25.000 At the end of the day, it doesn't matter.

01:24:28.000 They're going to have to probably get rid of him, and then how are they going to do it?

01:24:31.000 Obama's going to be the only one that can do it.

01:24:33.000 And I think the telling sign is this.

01:24:35.000 The day before Biden announced his run for re-election, Susan Rice exited out the back door. 1.00

01:24:46.000 Yeah. That was a big one.

01:24:50.000 The interesting thing we'll be watching also, how does the Democrat Party, the party of...

01:24:57.000 Identity politics, meaning nothing matters.

01:25:00.000 How do they skip over Kamala Harris, who I imagine they even imagine is as big a disaster as what we see?

01:25:08.000 She was only in there, in my opinion, and probably everyone else's, because of that.

01:25:12.000 But how do they bypass Kamala Harris, whose turn it would be based on their rules and everything that they do? 1.00

01:25:21.000 For an older white male like Gavin Newsom.

01:25:25.000 This will be interesting.

01:25:27.000 We're going to see some really interesting stuff as that transpires.

01:25:32.000 They have a hell of a mess on their hands.

01:25:34.000 And remember, Kamala Harris was chosen by the Obama people.

01:25:37.000 A lot of people forget this.

01:25:40.000 All team Obama was supporting her back in 2019.

01:25:47.000 And then she flopped, right?

01:25:50.000 She came out of the gate, went to Iowa, and just sunk and sunk and sunk.

01:25:53.000 Finally, she had to get out of the race because she was going to embarrass herself. 0.73

01:25:56.000 After, like, some $100 million, she was going to finish in 10th place.

01:26:00.000 So she got out.

01:26:02.000 And then, you know, when they then resurrected Biden from the dead, they really did.

01:26:07.000 I mean, he was not going to win.

01:26:08.000 He had no chance. The Obama people said, okay, Joe, we got to put you up here.

01:26:12.000 And everybody said, oh, who's going to be the nominee?

01:26:14.000 I said from the beginning, it's Kamala Harris.

01:26:17.000 That's who's going to be the vice president.

01:26:19.000 There's no question. Everybody said, why?

01:26:21.000 Because it's Obama.

01:26:24.000 So now you're exactly right, though.

01:26:25.000 They don't know what to do because she's a disaster. 1.00

01:26:29.000 And that's why I think you see these stories that are a few of them by the fake news that have the insights.

01:26:36.000 Why is Obama meeting with other people?

01:26:38.000 Clearly, he's not going for Kamala Harris, and clearly they know that Biden has a big problem.

01:26:43.000 So I think there's going to be a lot of turmoil here, along with God only knows how many more indictments they're going to do against President Trump.

01:26:53.000 I mean, I just think we're just in a very dangerous time, as you know, that you've got You know, Russia, we're on the verge of World War III. I mean, these guys keep provoking a guy that clearly, with Putin, somebody who I followed for many, many years, you know, doesn't always, has not been thinking straight in the last few years, and we don't know what the hell he's going to do.

01:27:14.000 Yeah, you can only provoke a guy like that so much before you regret it.

01:27:18.000 Yeah, I know it's scary times, but Devin, thanks so much for doing this.

01:27:22.000 I really appreciate it, guys. Go check out Devin on Truth Social, see everything that's going on there.

01:27:27.000 One of the few guys that really got it early, one of the few guys fighting for this.

01:27:32.000 I'm actually, the connection that you made together right now as it relates to the, hey, the stuff they were accusing Trump of in the Steele dossier is actually probably based on Hunter Biden.

01:27:42.000 That's actually a really big deal, I think.

01:27:45.000 I'm sort of shocked I never thought of it.

01:27:46.000 I guess I got the analogy, but yeah, in the world in which we function, that's clearly the most plausible thing imaginable, especially since it came from Hillary and the target that they were initially going after was, Joe, it's like, ah, we got all this stuff.

01:28:02.000 Why don't we just recycle it, repurpose it, and do all that?

01:28:05.000 So that's kind of a big deal.

01:28:07.000 So Guys, thanks for tuning in.

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We've Crossed the Rubicon: Devin Nunes on What it will Take to Defeat the Swamp in 2024 | TRIGGERED Ep.46

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