In this episode, we re bringing back UFO and UAP expert and former Army Counterintelligence Agent Lou Elizondo to discuss the mysterious drones spotted all over the country and around the world. First, we were told they were Iranian, then Chinese, then some statements from the DHS and FBI that no one really believes or understands. And then a whole bunch of different videos popped up, raising even more questions.
00:06:22.000Today we're bringing back UFO and UAP expert, former Army Counterintelligence Agent Lou Elizondo.
00:06:30.000With these mysterious drones in New Jersey, New York, all over the country, and now all over the world in the news every day, we figured Lou would be perfect to separate fact from fiction.
00:06:42.000First, We were told they were Iranian.
00:06:46.000Then some statements from the DHS and FBI that no one really believes or understands.
00:06:51.000And then a whole bunch of different videos popped up, raising even more questions.
00:06:57.000So we're going to get into all of that.
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00:08:43.000According to the FBI, DHS, and other really trustworthy agencies, everything is totally fine.
00:08:52.000Doesn't matter if we can see thousands of drones flying over private airspace or over airports that would never be allowed to have other drones over.
00:08:59.000Doesn't mean, doesn't matter that we don't know where they're coming from and we see, we can't track where they're from.
00:09:04.000It doesn't matter that some people can have a seven-foot drone hovering over their heads, but you can't actually hear it.
00:09:09.000And then they disappear in a blink of an eye.
00:09:13.000In a three-hour briefing with the House Intelligence Committee earlier this week, intelligence officials insist there is nothing nefarious about the drone invasion.
00:09:23.000But the fact remains that mysterious drones have been all over the sky and we aren't exactly getting a lot of information about what they are doing or what they may be looking for.
00:09:35.000The drone sightings began in mid-November and were hovering over my father's place in Bedminster, New Jersey.
00:09:42.000And now, state and local officials are pressuring the federal government to take actual action for a change, or to at least give some guidance on exactly what's going on.
00:09:56.000And let's be honest, with this outgoing administration, does anyone really trust what we're being told or what might have been said during a briefing?
00:10:05.000We're going to get into all of this and much more with Lou and get a clearer picture of the actual facts.
00:10:13.000But also, sadly, some in the swamp are trying to get away with more business as usual.
00:10:21.000They're ignoring the mandate from the American people to end that crap because it's all they have.
00:10:27.000It's the end of the year, and yet again, Congress is trying to rush through a massive disaster 1,500-page CR to fund the government through spring.
00:10:37.000Now, they put it out, gives you a day to read 1,500 pages with a lot of detail, so no one actually checks, no one's actually read it, no one knows exactly what's in it, but that doesn't matter.
00:10:48.000We were told it would be a clean CR, but from what we've been learning, it's packed with pork.
00:11:35.000Then we'll figure out what's actually in it.
00:11:36.000And as Senator Mike Lee pointed out, What do RFK Stadium, $50 billion for Big Pharma, and new Smithsonian museums have to do for Americans devastated by the hurricanes?
00:11:53.000That's how you get people to actually act and do what's right for the American public and the constituency that many of them actually represent.
00:12:01.000Meanwhile, with just over a month until my father's inauguration, the transition team is moving full speed ahead on getting this country back on track on day one.
00:12:10.000And that of course includes mass deportations and securing the border.
00:12:35.000They were extorting and beating up residents.
00:12:37.000But the media told us not to worry about it.
00:12:40.000Obviously, that was prior to an election because they understand maybe the American public doesn't think it's great for Venezuelan drug gangs to be taking over civilian American buildings and kicking out their residents.
00:12:51.000I mean, you would think that'd be something they'd care about, but sadly, they didn't.
00:12:55.000They said it was fake news and that there was no illegal immigrant gang threat.
00:13:00.000As always, we were right and the media was wrong.
00:13:04.000They were just doing the bidding of the Deep State and the Democrat Party.
00:13:10.000Fourteen gang members linked to Trenelagua were arrested at that same apartment complex this week.
00:13:16.000Watch this great video from Byron Donald's office explaining exactly what's going on here.
00:13:21.000Senator Vance, I'm going to stop you because I know exactly what happened.
00:13:26.000The incidents were limited to a handful of apartment complexes and the mayor said our dedicated police officers have acted on those concerns.
00:13:43.000Only a handful of apartment complexes in America were taken over by Venezuelan gangs and Donald Trump is the problem and not Kamala Harris' open border.
00:13:52.000Americans are so fed up with what's going on.
00:13:58.000The sun is up there in that state and police have now detained 14 people and reported armed home invasion.
00:14:04.000That's the same apartment complex where a lot of people were complaining about the armed Venezuelan gang members roaming the halls.
00:14:11.000Reports indicate that investigators said that several suspects entered the apartment and had two people inside.
00:14:18.000The suspects then reportedly moved the victims to another apartment complex Or rather, another unit on the property where police said they were found threatened and bound.
00:14:28.000An adult man sustained a non-life-threatening stab wound.
00:14:33.000Now, as we've told you, on their way out, the Biden administration is doing everything possible, everything they can to create as many headaches as possible. everything they can to create as many headaches as possible.
00:14:51.000And we're now learning that the Biden administration swamp is attempting to help shield illegal immigrants from accountability.
00:15:00.000They're literally auctioning off tons and tons of steel bollards for the border wall.
00:15:06.000Steel that my father purchased that they didn't install because they wanted an open border.
00:15:11.000And now they're trying to sell it off on pennies on the dollar to stop my father from being able to complete the wall.
00:15:19.000What possible justification exists for doing that?
00:15:22.000Didn't the American people look at the illegal immigration issue as one of the major forces just a few weeks ago on November 5th?
00:15:30.000On top of that, they're ushering in as many illegals as possible.
00:15:36.000Check out this video from San Diego's border with Mexico.
00:15:39.000All of these illegal immigrants you see are coming through an appointment by scheduled through Biden's CBP1 app.
00:15:48.000This is happening every single day, and it will continue until January 20th.
00:17:32.000And during that intermission point, they got a little more investigative material and said, oops, he's a match to the FBI's terror watch list.
00:17:56.000We have our work cut out for us over these next four years.
00:18:00.000We have to stop the flow of illegals at the border and deport these criminals and terrorists that have been let in by Biden.
00:18:07.000But some in the media apparently still think there's no crisis.
00:18:11.000PolitiFact just came out with their lie of the year.
00:18:14.000They claimed that the lie of the year was J.D. Vance and my father rightly pointing out that locals in Springfield, Ohio, had reported that Haitian immigrants were eating pets and wreaking havoc on the community.
00:18:28.000What do you think was the lie of the year?
00:18:32.000Was it Joe Biden saying he wouldn't pardon Hunter Biden?
00:18:36.000Was it Tim Walsh saying he was in combat?
00:18:39.000Or what about this moment from Joe Scarborough?
00:19:55.000The lie of the year was something that was objectively right and on video, with people filing numerous reports to the police department and bringing it up at local town halls.
00:20:20.000Because another issue our so-called leaders are still failing on is protecting girls' sports from the trans lunacy taking over our country.
00:20:31.000For example, just last week, NCAA President Charlie Baker was on Capitol Hill.
00:20:38.000And he can't explain why they let in men in girls' locker rooms.
00:20:43.000He gets paid nearly $3 million a year and can't answer the question on everyone's mind.
00:20:51.000Where is the courage from these so-called leaders?
00:20:55.000Who should be actually in these leadership roles if they can't take a stand to protect actual women?
00:21:03.000Have guidelines that instruct them what the best practices are, and your guidelines say that biological men can go in and use the women's locker rooms if they want to.
00:21:12.000What the women want has nothing to do with it.
00:21:32.000What it says is transgender student athletes will be able to use the locker room shower and toilet in accordance with their gender identity.
00:21:39.000That means men will be able to use the women's locker rooms.
00:21:42.000And as Riley Gaines and others have testified before this committee, that means if a man, a biological man, wants to use their locker room, they just have to accept it.
00:21:52.000Or else the women have to go somewhere else.
00:21:55.000They've got to go find an alternative.
00:21:57.000We told the local folks who've hosted our tournaments they need to create accommodations for the people who are playing.
00:22:02.000So it's the feds on the one hand, it's the locals on the other hand.
00:22:06.000The only person who doesn't seem to bear any responsibility in this is you and the NCAA, who are the governing body.
00:22:12.000And your testimony here today is you're not even subject to Title IX. Mr. Baker, I can't tell you how disappointed this makes me, but not just disappointed, frankly, infuriated for the student-athletes who are suffering because of your policies, and you won't even defend them.
00:22:39.000It's been subverted by the trans mafia so people actually think it means something and there's a lot more people actually for this thing than there are.
00:22:46.000There was actually a story in the Daily Wire documenting how years ago I was talking about where this was all headed.
00:22:55.000And the good news is we can fix this come January 20th and stop the Biden Title IX overhaul and actually hold these schools and universities accountable.
00:23:06.000And speaking of being right, we also learned recently that, yes, dozens of federal informants were present at the Capitol complex on January 6th.
00:24:08.000You'd think it would be obvious, but unfortunately it was obvious under the lens of which we all know.
00:24:15.000Axios wrote a headline this week, quote, I mean, isn't this report, isn't it proof of the conspiracy we've all been talking about since January 6th?
00:24:37.000A House GOP report this week unveiled more evidence that Liz Cheney literally tampered with January 6 witness Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony, and the committee is now asking the FBI to investigate criminality.
00:24:52.000Remember that Hutchinson was the one who made up the story about my father attacking the Secret Service, and he grabbed the steering wheel of the beast.
00:25:03.000Did anyone really think that my father, what was it, 75 years old at the time?
00:25:09.000Jumped from the back of a heavily guarded limo, beat the hell out of two young, well-armed, well-trained Secret Service agents who he happened to be good friends with to take over the beast.
00:25:22.000By the way, if he actually did that, it would probably make me like him even more if he had the capability of doing that.
00:25:29.000But it was sold to us as though it was the gospel.
00:25:34.000Evidence uncovered by the House Committee revealed that evidence that Cheney tampered with at least one witness, Hutchinson, directly by secretly communicating with Hutchins without Hutchinson's attorney knowledge.
00:25:50.000They carved out the lawyers because they knew they could manipulate more.
00:25:57.000You think Liz Cheney's going to get the preemptive Joe Biden pardon so that they just...
00:26:02.000You don't have to face any accountability?
00:26:04.000I have a feeling we're going to see that, folks.
00:26:07.000The report also found that the January 6th Select Committee neglected or withheld evidence from its final report and deleted voluminous records that it was supposed to preserve.
00:26:20.000Remember that one with Russia, Russia, Russia?
00:27:09.000A friend of mine had a meeting at the SEC where he showed up to the actual offices because they wanted to be in person.
00:27:16.000And no one was there to the tune that they had a meeting in a dark room because no one even knew how to turn on the lights in the conference room.
00:27:29.000We're spending billions maintaining these things, paying for people who are working from home, probably walking their dogs and or taking side jobs.
00:27:38.000And a piece in the Daily Wire noted that even the head of the GSA, the General Services Administration, which manages federal real estate, works from home in, wait for it, folks, Missouri.
00:27:52.000A far, far cry away from Washington, D.C., where they're supposed to be.
00:28:00.000The work-from-home problem is so bad in the federal government that the water supply at the office of the EPA was left stagnant for so long that it developed dangerous levels of bacteria.
00:28:16.000They're there so little that the EPA, the place that looks at probably bacteria and water, had bacteria in their water in their office because no one was ever there running the pipes.
00:28:33.000Democrats are trying their hardest to lock in this ridiculous policy because it favors their bureaucrats who will keep doing their bidding.
00:28:50.000Okay, that's like a large stadium of government employees have a telework arrangement through 2029. Huh.
00:29:00.000I wonder what exactly the purpose of that is.
00:29:03.000It's all yet another reason why we need the cabinet picks confirmed swiftly to get the new administration staffed so we can get moving on cleansing out the waste and the rot inside our government.
00:29:18.000And our interview with Lou is coming up in just moments.
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00:30:33.000Joining me now, author of the book, Imminent, Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs, the former head of the Pentagon program responsible for the investigation of UFOs, Lou Elizondo, is back with us.
00:30:48.000We spoke a couple, like two, three months ago, Lou.
00:30:52.000A lot's going on, obviously everything, but with the drones and all that stuff, but thank you so much for being back with us.
00:31:00.000Well, it's my honor and privilege to be back with you and your wonderful audience.
00:32:06.000First of all, the whole quote, trust me, bro, isn't going to fly, especially with the American people.
00:32:11.000The American people have a pretty good BS meter, I think, as proof of their last decision, right?
00:32:19.000So, maybe to help your audience out, kind of go back a little bit in history and go about...
00:32:24.000Maybe talking about the drones from a historical perspective, specifically what I mean is five years ago, four years ago, in Colorado, Nebraska, Kansas, where a fleet of these very large drones, some even described as a quote-unquote mothership of other drones, smaller drones, We're seeing all over the place in Colorado, over censored military installations, local law enforcement, state law enforcement, all had videos and pictures of these things.
00:32:51.000And even the FBI came in to investigate something very, very similar that we are now seeing here in New Jersey.
00:32:58.000But the reality is, it's not just New Jersey.
00:33:03.000Um, there's a very good reporter named Ross Colthart out of Australia, who's reporting these incidents for some time now over sensitive military installations.
00:33:11.000When I was, I just came back from London, maybe a week ago.
00:33:14.000And over there, they had the same issue with drones over joint U S military UK bases, uh, that house some pretty sensitive stuff.
00:33:23.000Um, so this is not, uh, something new that we're just now experiencing with these civilian drones.
00:33:47.000We started seeing them in Florida, California, Oregon, even Air Traffic Control, ATC's got some very compelling recordings of these pilots seeing something in the sky that just simply doesn't make sense.
00:33:57.000It's not showing up on radar, and it's not squawking a transponder code.
00:34:03.000So in essence, these are vehicles flying in the dark, literally and figuratively, meaning there's no assigned sponsor to them.
00:34:11.000So for the last month, we've been seeing these things now even over civilian major urban areas, populated areas like in New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts.
00:34:20.000And the administration, current administration, let me caveat, the current administration has been scrambling trying to find answers.
00:34:28.000Some of them have been described as being typical quadcopter, like maybe your neighbor's kid might have, just taking some videos of the property or maybe a real estate agent.
00:35:04.000They've been acknowledged by the Department of Energy, acknowledged by the Department of Defense and the FBI that these things are occurring.
00:35:09.000And then in the last 24 hours, we have seen a role reversal in strategic messaging by this administration.
00:35:18.000Let's not forget that up to 24 hours ago, the government had admitted, yes, these are real.
00:35:23.000They are probably not foreign adversarial and they're definitely not our equities.
00:35:26.000When I say ours, I mean the United States.
00:35:29.000Now you have this line where they're saying, oh, by the way, it's been after a month.
00:36:05.000Literally, we put out shark baits with them.
00:36:07.000We put a little outrigger clip on it and run a bait further than you can cast a rod, so you're fishing from the beach.
00:36:11.000And I tried doing that one time in front of Mar-a-Lago, and they're like, you know, no drones, it'll shut up.
00:36:16.000I couldn't even get the drone started, but then they were like, I'm like, I can't, like, if I wanted to, you know, if I wanted to do something to my father, I'd have done it a long time ago, folks.
00:36:24.000Like, you know, I'm literally running out of bait, and like, You know, a civilian drone simply wouldn't be able to even start.
00:36:31.000And this is years ago before the technology even was all that good.
00:36:33.000They could shut it down if they wanted to.
00:36:37.000So it seems that these drones, they either don't want to or they don't have the capability of it.
00:36:43.000You know, fighter pilots say they're watching the way these things fly, and it's not like a conventional drone.
00:36:48.000I mean, they're pulling, you know, different kind of maneuvers that, you know, wouldn't seem almost, you know, physically possible with the existing stuff that we've seen out there.
00:36:57.000So it seems like there's a lot more to it.
00:37:00.000And you're right, the pass the buck situation, it's the same thing, you know.
00:37:03.000Let's escalate in Ukraine, and then we'll make it Trump's war.
00:37:32.000There's a contrast that should show up on thermal.
00:37:35.000You know, the stories you hear, it's not like it's a one-off random dude.
00:37:39.000You're hearing hundreds of these things from different people, you know, that are all so far, all the things are such anomalies to what we know about existing technology that it definitely leads me to believe there's a lot more here.
00:37:53.000I think that's a really good point for your audience because a lot of people don't realize when you hear the word drone, you think of Super Bowl and maybe some drones flying to cover a play or something.
00:38:01.000In reality, there's two types of drones.
00:38:03.000There's commercial and privately available drones that are available to the public for business purposes or pleasure.
00:38:08.000And then you've got military and government that are purpose-built and specific.
00:38:13.000Let's take this pen, for example, and let's pretend this is a drone.
00:38:18.000There's two types of ways you can really power a drone.
00:38:21.000There is liquid, basically like liquid fuel, right?
00:38:24.000So think of JP8 or gasoline or kerosene, something that's combustible, but it weighs a lot.
00:38:31.000And so typically you're talking about seven and a half pounds per gallon of fuel.
00:38:37.000You're not talking about rotary wing, something that can hover.
00:38:39.000You're talking about something that can fly for 10 hours at a time and loiter and fly a long distance.
00:38:45.000When you're talking a quadcopter, you're talking an actual drone drone that's got the propellers and whatnot, And they're battery powered for a very specific reason because of weight limitations.
00:39:06.000And then you have to have a place to send them out and a place to recover them and then to maintain them.
00:39:12.000And last but not least, you have something called a signal issue here.
00:39:15.000If I'm a drone flying and I want to send a signal to it in order for it to fly in its telemetry and whatnot, it's usually what they call not beyond line of sight, meaning because of the curvature of the Earth, the radio frequency won't go over the horizon.
00:39:31.000And what we are seeing are drones that are definitely coming in over the horizon.
00:39:37.000If you were to really want to develop a bunch of drones to do that, you'd need an aerial platform, either an aircraft or a satellite, to serve as a repeater to bounce the signal over the horizon to your vehicle.
00:39:49.000That takes a tremendous amount of infrastructure, coordination, personnel, and funding, and you've got to have a base to operate out of.
00:40:20.000And this administration is not, for whatever reason, willing to be transparent with the American people.
00:40:25.000And I do believe that the members of Congress are probably satisfied with whatever answer they were given yesterday during their private hearing.
00:40:33.000If you trust the briefing that you're getting from, you know, the agencies or whatever it is, I mean, I've watched some of these lawmakers with such naivete believe that they're being told everything.
00:40:43.000You know, no, they're being told exactly what they need to get the answer that the agencies want.
00:40:48.000And, you know, The rest is a lie by omission.
00:40:50.000I heard one lawmaker say they're Iranian.
00:40:54.000Then a report came out that they're Chinese.
00:41:10.000And then I've heard the other scenarios, hey, you know, they're out there.
00:41:14.000They're out there looking for something that was maybe radioactive.
00:41:17.000Apparently some, you know, again, I don't know if there's any truth to it whatsoever, but, you know, some, you know, spent, you know, uranium went missing and we can't find it and or the former warheads that were stored in Ukraine.
00:41:30.000The nuclear-capable warheads, some of those went missing because that was a disaster at the fall of the Soviet Union.
00:41:38.000Where do you think we lie somewhere between these best and worst-case scenarios?
00:41:42.000At this point, you know, I sort of default to the worst case scenario because experience has led me to believe that that's where these things usually go.
00:41:50.000But, you know, again, like I don't think any of these things, especially given what we've seen, you know, are conspiratorial.
00:41:58.000They're all valid questions that we deserve answers to.
00:42:00.000Look, you got drones literally hovering over former governor's houses.
00:42:05.000Don't tell the American people that's normal when it's not.
00:42:08.000There are restrictions and no fly zones put in place for very good reasons.
00:42:12.000And when they are breached, that's not lawful.
00:42:13.000I don't care what anybody in the administration, I don't care if you're a two star general, entering into restricted airspace that is restricted at the time you are entering it is illegal.
00:42:36.000And you get the reports that their drone was disabled and fell out of the sky.
00:42:41.000There's also some very interesting videos showing what appears to be a drone, if you will, prosecuting or coming in to look at one of these other bigger drones.
00:42:50.000And it's just falling right out of the sky.
00:42:52.000So if that's true, you're talking about a very, very sophisticated operation.
00:42:56.000And of course, you know, then there's a topic that maybe this isn't necessarily all drone related.
00:43:03.000Part of the narrative here that may be a little bit more uncomfortable to talk about, but it could explain some of the confusion in the public.
00:43:10.000I don't have enough data just for the record to say definitively what something is or is not.
00:43:15.000These are all hypotheses that have been postulated by people inside the government.
00:44:28.000I think it's probably not because I said before, the infrastructure would be, and it would be so provocative that some could even say it was an act of war.
00:44:37.000But let's talk about the problem of that.
00:44:39.000If somebody were to have a foreign capability, and let's say they put a bunch of sprayers on it and wanted to spray chemical agents or biological agents, That'd be a great way to do it, right?
00:44:46.000We can see how drones have been weaponized over in Russia right now and in the Ukraine in that battle.
00:44:51.000They're being used and they're being weaponized very, very effectively.
00:44:55.000So for somebody to say, well, nothing to worry about here, I disagree with that.
00:45:00.000I think there is something to worry about it if you don't have full control and understanding of what's in your skies, which clearly this administration does not.
00:45:09.000Like you said, there could be a broken arrow situation, perhaps a weapons of mass destruction through sensitive intelligence reporting indicates that there is a potential weapons of mass destruction somewhere by a U.S. equity, critical U.S. equity, somewhere in the world and that it's kind of but it was put in there as kind of a just in case in case the u.s decides to go uh you know hand-to-hand with somebody else uh that's another scenario
00:45:36.000another scenario is that what people are seeing is actually two different things um in the old days if there was a uap incident or in the vernacular for your audience's sake a ufo incident um and despite what people think we actually spent a lot of government money and taxpayer money investigating ufos so let me just put that out there that's a reality that's a In fact, we did do that.
00:45:57.000In the old days, you'd set up a helicopter.
00:46:00.000You'd have to wake up a crew, or maybe they were already on the ready, and it'd take a little while, spin up the helo, and go out and see what was coming over the wire.
00:46:09.000We have technology where you can have something geofence, and if there's something that enters your airspace, it can automatically trigger a drone response, and five or six drones will go out and investigate the situation.
00:46:21.000So you have some people reporting very large vehicles where the navigation lights are not blinking in any known navigational colors.
00:47:13.000Some of these UAP, these drones initially are UAP, and they are being reported by the local civilian and law enforcement population.
00:47:21.000And then what you have is a military response of drones that are going out trying to find these things.
00:47:28.000And then other people, civilians in a wider area are reporting all the drones that are coming out, five, six drones at a time, seem to be doing this racetrack or this scanning, if you will, low-level scanning of the area.
00:47:40.000It's possible that they're looking for whatever maybe they saw, maybe it was UAP related.
00:47:46.000And now they're hoping maybe there was some sort of landing or a crash or something like that.
00:47:52.000And I only say that because, and the evidence there is still, there's more data needs to be obtained.
00:48:00.000But it would make sense that you have some people reporting something completely opposite Some people say, this is totally silent, it's huge.
00:48:06.000Other people say, no, it's small, it's a quadcopter, and I can hear the whirring of the engine.
00:48:19.000I don't want to put it out there as fact, because it is certainly not fact.
00:48:22.000It's just one of the many, many options of what this could be.
00:48:25.000It could also be a contractor, a U.S. government contractor.
00:48:29.000And under certain circumstances, the U.S. Department of Defense does not have to admit it's their equity.
00:48:34.000There are certain critical technologies on a critical technology list that if we develop a certain capability, we don't necessarily have to admit that.
00:48:43.000So is it possible that this is a huge exercise because of your dad now coming into office again and administration leaving?
00:48:53.000Could this be what they call an NSC, a national security event?
00:48:56.000Yeah, because you don't want to give our enemy operational awareness of what our capabilities are.
00:49:02.000And that to me is, you know, frankly, very plausible.
00:49:06.000I don't know why you need to do it over New Jersey, but maybe you do have to map cities or whatever it may be a little bit more than the countryside, because there's a lot more that they'd have to be working with.
00:49:16.000And, you know, frankly, for me, you know, I'm a believer in drone technology.
00:49:19.000I would much rather if we're going to be in conflict around the world, I would much rather it get done with drones, you know, than putting our boys, you know, and maybe some girls, you know, in foreign combat zones.
00:49:31.000If we can do it with a machine from the safety far away, like, that to me is a no-brainer.
00:49:38.000But, you know, but again, it does seem odd to me, you know, when you hear about the ones, hey, this thing was a seven-foot wingspan, it was hovering 30 feet over my head, and I couldn't even hear it.
00:49:49.000Like, That seems to be defying the basic laws of physics.
00:49:53.000I guess the next question is, why can't we seemingly follow these drones to their origin point?
00:50:00.000It seems like no one knows where they're coming from and no one knows where they're going back to.
00:50:05.000And that in and of itself is fairly disconcerting that we don't have the capabilities.
00:50:09.000There are systems, some of these echolocation systems, they can find where a bullet You know, from a gangbanger in Chicago, you know, and geolocate, you know, where the shot happened just based on sound.
00:50:22.000If we can't follow, you know, a seven-foot object flying in the sky, but we can't find a bullet traveling over the speed of sound, that seems kind of disconcerting to me.
00:50:33.000And let's look at this, you know, also from another perspective, you bring up a great point, you know, why aren't we taking action?
00:50:39.000They're saying, well, you know, we have the capability to shoot it down, we just won't or we can't, right?
00:50:44.000And then somebody brought up a really good point.
00:50:46.000Well, so the White House position was, well, we don't want to endanger the public, right?
00:50:51.000If we shoot one of these down, it comes down, it could hit somebody's house.
00:50:54.000And yet there's these incidents with the U.S. Coast Guard where you have up to 10 of these Things literally stalking a U.S. Coast Guard cutter, and you're out in the middle of the ocean.
00:51:03.000Why can't you bring it down there, right?
00:51:14.000And they are over-sensitive military installations, I think is not only utter nonsense, I think it's a disservice to the American people because the American people deserve more.
00:51:24.000And look, at the end of the day, if you don't know what they are, just say you don't know what they are.
00:51:26.000Or if you do know what they are and you don't want to say what they are because there's a significant national security issue, then just say that.
00:51:33.000Say, look, we'll tell you at a later time.
00:51:34.000Right now we're doing something very sensitive on behalf of the American people to protect them, to serve them.
00:51:39.000You know, give us a month or two here and we'll tell you what's going on.
00:51:42.000Trust me, you'll understand why and you'll agree why we did it.
00:52:01.000I've been sent from senior military officials over Andrews Air Force Base, where your dad's plane is going to be stored in the next month, right?
00:53:43.000Look, you know, governments have been known to do that in the past, including ours, that if there's a very difficult situation we're facing politically or some other way, they will come up with a diversion, a distraction.
00:53:56.000I will tell you, I'm extremely motivated and it's just absolutely endearing to my heart.
00:54:02.000Some of the individuals that your father has put on his team are very transparent and want, you know, I don't need to tell you, I think you already know, believe in truth and transparency with the American people.
00:54:15.000Whatever that truth may be, let the American people know what it is.
00:54:19.000Your father's committed several times, one, to the release of the JFK files.
00:54:23.000I stand up on my chair and applaud him for that.
00:54:26.000Same thing with UAP transparency or drone transparency or anything else, right?
00:54:31.000Anything else that involves the public.
00:54:33.000Your father's made it very, very clear whether, you know, it doesn't matter what side of the political aisle you're on.
00:54:37.000You got to admit, You can't argue with that.
00:54:40.000That's exactly what this country deserves.
00:54:41.000And I think that's why he's seeing the popularity he's seeing, because he has actually stood up to the system, stood up to the machine and said, no, that's not right.
00:54:49.000We're going to try to do it the right way.
00:54:51.000We're going to get the right people in office.
00:54:53.000And I think we're going to see a huge, huge difference in government transparency here, probably starting in the next month.
00:55:01.000Yeah, and I think, by the way, with that transparency, you actually get real change.
00:55:05.000I think the intentional lack of transparency over the last few decades has led the American public to get into never-ending wars based on bad information.
00:55:13.000So I think transparency, whether it be about details of geopolitics or transparency about the way your taxpayer dollars are being spent, I think it'll actually force real change.
00:55:23.000Because once people see how the sausage is made, I think it changes things drastically.
00:55:53.000And I think this, what we're seeing right now, is a last-ditch, desperate effort by the administration to say, look, we've got enough fires on our hands.
00:56:55.000I think it doesn't do us any favors, especially at an all-time low when the faith and confidence in the American government is at a pitiful low.
00:57:05.000We need something to help Instill faith and confidence once again in our institutions.
00:57:11.000Yeah, and listen, again, I want America to be doing more with drones.
00:57:14.000I think just like our antibiotics and half of our medicine, 90% of our medicine, we get it from China.
00:57:21.000That's going to be our biggest geopolitical threat without question.
00:57:24.000All the drones are manufactured there.
00:57:26.000All these civilian drones are manufactured there.
00:57:28.000Half the military stuff is going there.
00:57:34.000I want that to be American technology.
00:57:35.000I don't want to be dependent on our enemies.
00:57:37.000I see this as someone who knows very little about warfare, but has a brain and some common sense.
00:57:43.000This is definitely the future, certainly, of regional conflict warfare.
00:57:47.000Instead of sending troops, you're going to do this.
00:57:50.000You don't have to look any further than watching some little $300 Amazon DGI drone with a little servo clip tied to the bottom of it.
00:57:59.000They're dropping grenades, killing 12 people over in Ukraine, rather than sending our guys to do these things.
00:58:05.000I mean, it's sort of a no-brainer, and I definitely want that technology to be American, where they can't just shut it off the second a conflict breaks out.
00:58:17.000And you know, there's something called C3I, Command Control Communications and Information, which is critical anytime you want to have, if you get into a conflict, you have to be able to control your troops and be able to have the integrity of the information flowing back and forth.
00:58:31.000And you make a really good point because even our computers and our cell phones are all made in China.
00:58:35.000And that is a supply chain risk management issue.
00:58:38.000If a country has a unilateral, hypothetically, unilateral ability, again, let me emphasize hypothetically here, I don't want to get in trouble, but to unilaterally disable all electronic devices in this country, can you imagine the havoc it would play not just on the banking industries, but on the healthcare services, on anything, law enforcement and anything?
00:58:58.000If you have the ability to shut down power grids and communications and transportation, in essence, you can win an entire war without ever firing a shot.
00:59:06.000And, uh, you know, we, we need to pay attention to that.
00:59:09.000Um, and that's a concern of these drones.
00:59:12.000Some of these drones that are a lot of them are made in China.
00:59:14.000Uh, you know, is there an ability there to, you know, have a proverbial kill switch or maybe perhaps, uh, override, uh, the C3I piece, you know, the command control and communications of a, of a drone, uh, Or just with AI capabilities, taking every civilian drone and linking the information that's going back there, you know, they can geolocate, they can geofence it.
00:59:34.000I mean, they could be getting a lot of details about a lot of people without our actual knowledge.
00:59:41.000And when you think about, you know, man, I can't think of too many teenagers I know that don't have some sort of drone right now.
00:59:48.000And if it's all linking back and they're just collecting all this information, I have a feeling they'd never let us do that over China or in China.
01:00:10.000It's a front page of all the media outlets for a day.
01:00:13.000And we have beautiful pictures where we basically kind of usher the Russian surveillance aircraft out of our territorial waters.
01:00:23.000So if the U.S. government has that right to do that and enforces that, apparently, strictly, why can't civilians over their own property be able to defend their own airspace?
01:00:32.000Now, I'm not talking commercial aircraft, but if you have a drone 200 feet above your private house that you're paying taxes on and you own that property...
01:00:41.000Why should it be okay for anybody just to go ahead and fly it over your house and take pictures and invade your privacy and whatnot?
01:00:51.000And I think there's almost a schizophrenic approach to this where the federal government says, well, we have the authority to do this, but you as a private citizen, no, you can't do that.
01:01:05.000Now, law enforcement may be a different story.
01:01:07.000There's an ongoing investigation, but Private citizens, just to be able to fly it over someone's house willy-nilly, you know, I wouldn't want someone flying a drone over my house at all.
01:01:18.000But just so we're clear, like, you know, being someone in the public eye, it happens to me all the time.
01:01:22.000And I'm like, you know, I want to lie out by the pool with my kids and I'm seeing a drone fly over my house.
01:01:26.000And maybe it's just some guy, you know, looking at real estate, but like...
01:01:33.000I mean, I guess the question is, do we need tighter restrictions on drones, perhaps, you know, especially drones from China, whether it be recreationally or otherwise, because of that possible sort of information collecting capabilities, right?
01:01:49.000You know, a balloon, you know, that flew over our airspace that had some collect, and rightfully so.
01:01:55.000If they have that same network capability, where they're getting all of this information for probably, you know, hundreds of thousands of drones that every kid flying all over the United States, and they're gathering all that information that, you know, is much tighter than what they'd probably be able to get from satellite technology, etc.
01:02:10.000Does that create some sort of additional problem where, you know, they just have much more information on us than we do on them?
01:02:16.000And look, I'm going to say something that may be considered a little unpopular here, but let me just say caveat by saying I'm not picking on China.
01:02:23.000I'm saying any country that has the ability to create communication devices that are so prolific that every American household has one.
01:02:33.000And you don't have exact control of what type of software is going in there and hardware.
01:02:38.000I think that is a significant problem.
01:02:40.000We have something called ITAR, International Trafficking and Arms Regulations, that restricts certain critical technologies from being exported.
01:02:47.000I can't bring my thermal optics to Europe.
01:02:53.000It's the highest end of the civilian stuff.
01:02:55.000But for my hunting stuff or whatever it is, or just the fun stuff I do, I literally can't fly with it out of the country.
01:03:03.000Well, we should have the reverse also where we have a restriction on technologies coming into this country where our government, for example, maybe the NSA, hasn't been able to look at the software and say, okay, this device does not have some sort of secret kill switch from country X, right?
01:03:20.000Again, China right now because they're manufacturing everything that we use.
01:03:23.000But any country, it doesn't have to be a country.
01:03:25.000I'm not comfortable giving any country that unilateral control of our devices, whether it's flying in the sky or it's driving on our streets or it's being used in our homes.
01:03:37.000I think we need to get a better handle on that.
01:03:39.000And again, I'm not trying to pick on China here, but look, China is- Well, I think they're just, listen, I think they've demonstrated to be the worst and most capable actor, right?
01:03:46.000I mean, they are an adversary for a reason.
01:03:54.000I know, you know, it's the big boogeyman because, you know, big wars is making a killing over there.
01:03:58.000But like, you know, I don't think any serious person looks at Russia as big a threat to the United States, you know, economically or otherwise, as you would China.
01:04:11.000Well, and China looks at things from a 50-year optic.
01:04:27.000They know exactly how they want to get there.
01:04:29.000And they'll burn every bridge along the way to get there.
01:04:32.000And it's, you know, it's scary because it's a lot better than our system from a certain perspective.
01:04:37.000I'm not condoning a dictatorial regime in any way, shape, or form.
01:04:42.000But, you know, for results, how many, you see it going on right now with the CRs.
01:04:46.000You know, Democrats, they're jamming billions of dollars of crap to pay off their friends, and then they'll say, well, in a couple of years, maybe we'll be back in power and we'll do that.
01:04:54.000But in the meantime, we're going to stick this onto the tab of the American people.
01:04:57.0001,500 pages released, you know, two days ago.
01:05:01.000You got one day to read 1,500 pages of obscure spending, and then we vote on it.
01:05:06.000And if you don't vote on it, you're not American.
01:05:16.000But, you know, if you're short a billion dollars, you have to write a law for 10 billion because you've got to pay off a bunch of people to accept it.
01:05:23.000So it actually costs you 10 billion to raise the 1 billion.
01:05:30.000It's extortion happening on a mass scale at a government level, and that's why we have $35 trillion in debt, and it happens every time, and you can't have a bill for anything.
01:05:38.000The bill is named to do the opposite of what it's actually doing, and it's truly sick.
01:05:44.000I think the American people are awake to it, but it's not going to stop because permanent Washington is still very entrenched.
01:05:50.000We've got to try to break that down as much as you can, and that's where we go back to transparency.
01:05:54.000Hopefully, you know, if Doge does one thing, it just shows the American people like, hey, you probably shouldn't be paying an 8,000% markup for the soaps dispenser on a Boeing airplane owned by the military government simply because that general wants a board seat at Boeing, you know, who's signing off in the, you know, negotiations on price, or let's call it the lack of negotiations on price so as to get that board seat.
01:06:15.000You know, you brought something up that reminded me.
01:06:20.000And, you know, I'm very hesitant to ever offer my opinion because I never ever want to overstep my bounds.
01:06:25.000But as we're beginning to see the proliferation of these drones and how technology is outpacing policy, I'm wondering, what are your thoughts if the U.S. government were to put in every major organization, defense and intelligence, like Department of Energy, right, where they have facilities they've got to protect, and maybe the Navy, who's got bases in the Air Force, and And, you know, the major combatant commands.
01:06:47.000What if UH had a drone representative there that was responsible for looking at drone activity, both defensively and offensively for those commands, and not only advising those organizations and services, but then reporting to a drone czar?
01:07:02.000Well, if you go back in the clock 60, 70 years ago before we ever made it to space, we only had an Air Force and an Army and a Navy, right?
01:07:10.000And now we have a Space Force and a Space Command because we've got a lot of equities in space.
01:07:14.000This is one of those rare occasions where you have this gray area between a technology that Could be used for military purposes, is being used for intelligence, could be used as a weapon, and could be used for civilian and other uses.
01:07:29.000And that guy or gal reports directly to your folks and says, look, here's the emerging technologies, here's the threats, here's what we're seeing overseas, here's what we're doing here, here's our counter-drone capabilities, here's our offensive drone capabilities, and here's what we can do and what we can't do.
01:07:44.000I'm wondering if something like that would be helpful.
01:07:47.000Three weeks ago, I would have said, that's a huge waste of time and money.
01:07:51.000But it turns out, you know, it's interesting.
01:07:54.000I mean, you know, especially when people think of, you know, the Department of Energy is actually having to do with energy.
01:07:58.000Their biggest thing is actually guarding the nuclear arsenal.
01:08:00.000And so if there's drones flying over that stuff and they're mapping all that out, I mean...
01:08:04.000You know, it doesn't take much to envision a potential disaster.
01:08:08.000So, you know, it's certainly something interesting.
01:08:11.000I think we're trying to cut government, but I think there are things that we obviously need to do to protect ourselves.
01:08:16.000Maybe, Lou, what I'd ask is, like, you know, how does all of this stuff, you know, fit into the broader mosaic of the work you've been doing?
01:08:23.000You have your new book, Imminent, which is a look inside the Pentagon's hunt for UFOs, but...
01:08:29.000You know, what I learned last time in talking about this, the UAP doesn't necessarily mean it's an alien, right?
01:08:48.000Until it becomes identified, then you have this other subcategory called TNO, Temporary Non-Attributable Objects.
01:08:55.000So objects that we detect at first, but we have no idea what it is until it's resolved, right?
01:08:59.000And to some degree, there have been some organizations in the U.S. government that's done a pretty decent, I don't want to say great, but decent job at being able to segregate true anomalous capabilities, right?
01:09:12.000And something that may be some sort of new emerging technology or breakaway technology, disruptive technology that some adversary or near-peer country has developed.
01:09:21.000They are related because at first everything is a UAP until it's not.
01:09:25.000So think of a big umbrella as being the UAP and then the smaller umbrella underneath that umbrella being drones and temporary non-attributable objects.
01:09:34.000And then once those are resolved, what you have left over could potentially be truly anomalous, right?
01:09:39.000Because they're not falling within those profiles, performance profiles and performance characteristics that we know existing technology can exhibit.
01:10:05.000You cannot have the conversation in a silo.
01:10:08.000Well, so I know I asked you last time, but we sort of just scratched the surface of it.
01:10:12.000How did you get involved in tracking down UAPs?
01:10:14.000Did you always just want to do that, or did you just stumble into it?
01:10:18.000It seems like so many technologies, you actually got in ahead of the curve because it's becoming a much more real thing now than before, and perhaps that's because of some of the stuff that you were able to find and expose.
01:10:29.000Yeah, well, I certainly wouldn't consider myself, you know, worthy of playing the stock market.
01:10:34.000I don't know if it was luck or bad luck.
01:11:11.000I spent a short time in the Army before I was recruited into some special activities.
01:11:15.000I became a special agent and a special agent in charge for U.S. counterintelligence, so focusing on terrorism, espionage, counterinsurgencies, and counter-narcotics.
01:11:25.000I spent most of my life in one vacation spot or another, the Middle East or the jungles of South America.
01:11:32.000So I've always been just a fax man kind of guy.
01:11:55.000In 2008, 2009, correct, early 2009, I was brought into a program when I left the DNI. I was working for the DNI for a while, and then the Department of Defense asked me to come back on a JDA, a one-year rotation.
01:12:09.000Frankly, for quality of life purposes, it made my life a lot easier.
01:12:12.000I lived on Kent Island, so across the Chesapeake Bray Bridge, across Annapolis.
01:12:17.000And so I was making this three-hour, one-way commute every day.
01:12:22.000And so, long story short, I accepted the position for a one-year rotation back to the Pentagon.
01:12:27.000And it was there that I was brought into the program at the time called AATIP slash OSAP. AATIP stands for Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.
01:12:37.000And I didn't find out till later when I was actually brought into the program that the program was solely focused on investigating UFOs for the U.S. government.
01:12:45.000And I was shocked to learn that there were other previous programs that The entire time.
01:13:09.000Basically entering our controlled U.S. airspace unchallenged and being able to perform in ways that outperformed anything we had in our inventory at the time, and frankly, even having our inventory today.
01:13:19.000So that's when I learned the reality that UAP and the investigation of UAP by the U.S. government and other governments is absolutely real.
01:13:28.000Now, whether people believe in UFOs or not is irrelevant, because at the end of the day, your government was spending money investigating them, and what the result was was very, very compelling.
01:13:39.000So, you know, what can we do just as far as education, right?
01:13:43.000There's all these acronyms, there's all the this, as people are starting to, you know, wake up to this.
01:13:47.000I mean, you know, six months ago, it was like, yeah, we want to hear about UFOs.
01:13:50.000It's like, we started seeing evidence of it all over the place.
01:13:53.000The Air Force is releasing all these things, and it's like, there was so much other crap going on in the world between wars and the economy and people just struggling to get by that was like, eh!
01:14:02.000You know, one of the biggest questions probably that we've been asking ourselves for the last 40 years, at least my whole life was like, hey, is it there?
01:14:08.000It seems like there's proof and it's almost like, eh, there was enough going on that it was a distraction.
01:14:13.000But, you know, how do we educate ourselves and, you know, and the public about talking about these issues in a more sophisticated way?
01:14:20.000Again, as a way to force, you know, answers, right?
01:14:23.000People, you know, I saw it a lot in, you know, in banking when I came out, you know, investment bankers, they talked with all these acronyms and they're If you just said the words, everyone knows what you're talking about, but it sounds so sophisticated when they use the acronyms or whatever that people get intimidated to ask questions because they don't want to be sort of put in that box of, you don't know what you're talking about because you don't know the acronym.
01:14:43.000You and your audience are doing it right now.
01:14:45.000You're doing exactly what needs to happen.
01:14:46.000You're having the conversation in public.
01:14:47.000You're having a conversation around the water coolers, around the dinner table, you know, without necessarily preconceived narrative.
01:14:53.000I've told people many times that this is a conversation that, yes, involves national security.
01:14:59.000And in that case, yeah, maybe I do want a two or three or four-star general telling me their perspectives.
01:15:03.000But there's a whole lot to this that's beyond that.
01:15:05.000There's a part of this topic that affects all of us equally and yet differently, depending on how you were raised and your religious convictions.
01:15:12.000And so this is a topic that affects us all from a philosophical perspective, a theological perspective, a psychological perspective, even a sociological perspective.
01:15:22.000And in that case, I think we need the general public's involvement.
01:15:37.000You now have scientific communities willing to do new advanced research in areas of physics they thought were dead, that didn't exist, that were not possible.
01:15:45.000Let's not forget that impossible is just something we haven't seen yet.
01:15:48.000There's a lot of things in history that we thought were impossible until we did them.
01:15:52.000And I think science is beginning to realize that.
01:15:55.000There's a whole—look, from the 10 years, from the 1960s, when Kennedy got up there and said, we're going to go to the moon, and not because it's easy, because it's hard.
01:16:04.000In 10 years alone, 6,200 industries— Industries, not products, resulted from that 10-year competition with Soviet Union to get to the moon first.
01:16:16.000We have things like the LED light bulb.
01:16:18.000We have the CAT scans, things that have long outlived their initial design purpose and have transformed mankind forever.
01:16:26.000And I think if we look at this topic the same way, there's a tremendous amount of investment that could be placed into this with tremendous results.
01:16:37.000Things that could truly revolutionize our species and change the existing paradigm that we live in.
01:16:45.000So what would be the major goals for you or your top priorities that you'd want to see progress on starting on January 20th?
01:17:06.000They come from all different walks of life, socioeconomically and politically and everything else.
01:17:11.000But there are a core group of individuals that absolutely have the keys to the kingdom.
01:17:16.000They've actually worked on programs in the past, legacy programs.
01:17:20.000So there are some scientists out there that have some really cutting edge understanding of physics.
01:17:27.000I would create a think of a much cheaper and for peaceful purposes, a Manhattan project of think tanks that are working together.
01:17:36.000People that there are some really good people in NASA, Mike Gold, for example, one of the Artemis mission managers, super guy, former attorney.
01:17:43.000He actually testified with me in front of Congress about a month and a half ago.
01:17:47.000There's a lot of smart people, people like Admiral Gallaudet.
01:17:50.000You have whistleblowers like Dave Grush and other folks that I'm sure would look any one of us.
01:17:57.000If your dad were to call up to back their boots back on and serve, we do it in a heartbeat.
01:18:03.000There's a lot of guys out there and gals that know where the proverbial quote-unquote bodies are buried.
01:19:20.000Lou, thank you so much for being with us.
01:19:22.000Again, I have a feeling we'll have you back on pretty soon as more of this develops and we finally hopefully find some actual information out.
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