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00:00:30.440 I didn't get it because I was thinking, you know, if someone can change their gender,

00:00:33.480 which for many women can be very offensive, you know, why can't I say I'm Korean?

00:00:38.460 I'm not hurting anyone.

00:00:39.740 I've got to a point now where I realized that wasn't making me happy.

00:00:42.720 It was an addiction. I've thankfully beat that addiction.

00:00:45.980 I think you're actually incredibly brave because you did all this in public

00:00:51.920 and then within a very short period of time said, actually, no, this is wrong.

00:00:55.940 Interestingly enough, in Korea and China, a lot of people have surgery to emulate Caucasian features,

00:01:01.800 so a higher nose bridge, double eyelid surgery.

00:01:04.320 So I don't understand why people, you know, have an issue with me having these surgeries to look Korean

00:01:09.800 when everyone in Korea is trying to look, you know, westernized.

00:01:13.200 When you just give a kid a phone and they have unlimited access to the internet,

00:01:16.860 what are they seeing on TikTok?

00:01:18.040 And if they're seeing that from age three till they're a teenager, you know, that's 10 years of indoctrination.

00:01:23.680 We should support all people, but, you know, kids shouldn't be, you know,

00:01:27.540 forced or pressurized to do this from kindergarten.

00:01:31.140 I wanted to cut it off completely to transition to become a woman.

00:01:34.780 And is that one of the points where you went, uh, okay, maybe this is starting to get a bit far?

00:01:39.140 Yeah, I was thinking, you know, that's something I could regret.

00:01:42.120 I might miss that one.

00:01:46.240 There's a balance that needs to be struck between the rights of the individual

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00:03:15.860 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry.

00:03:18.700 I'm Francis Foster.

00:03:19.900 I'm Constantine Kishin.

00:03:21.020 And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

00:03:26.280 Our guest today is an online personality who's best known for transitioning to being Korean

00:03:30.920 and then most recently de-transitioning back.

00:03:33.320 Oli London, welcome to Trigonometry.

00:03:34.800 Thanks very much.

00:03:35.440 It's a real pleasure to be here with you guys.

00:03:37.320 People who won't know your story might be quite shocked by what I just said.

00:03:41.580 It sounds a bit crazy.

00:03:42.800 It does sound a little crazy.

00:03:44.360 So before we get into the conversation itself,

00:03:47.140 for anyone who doesn't know who you are, didn't follow your story,

00:03:49.960 who are you?

00:03:50.740 How are you where you are?

00:03:51.620 What has been the journey through life that leads you to be sitting here talking to us?

00:03:54.520 By the way, our first in-person recording in the studio.

00:03:57.540 So welcome.

00:03:57.880 Wow, I feel so blessed to be the first person and beautiful studio, by the way, guys.

00:04:01.820 So I'm Oli London.

00:04:03.400 And for those people out there that don't know me, I'm a social media personality.

00:04:08.060 I do Instagram, TikTok, YouTube.

00:04:10.700 I also am a K-pop singer.

00:04:12.400 So I released my own Korean pop music.

00:04:14.420 Some of it's in English, some of it's in Korean.

00:04:16.640 And a lot of people know me for my extreme obsession with Korea,

00:04:20.680 which I've kind of got over now.

00:04:22.080 I've kind of moved on from that.

00:04:23.140 But I was very obsessed with Korea.

00:04:24.600 I used to live in South Korea for a year and I became infatuated with a specific K-pop star called Jimin.

00:04:30.780 And I modeled myself on him.

00:04:32.260 So I started having surgery to look like him.

00:04:35.140 And then I got to a point where I was, you know, kind of getting addicted to the surgery.

00:04:38.620 And I thought, maybe I can be Korean.

00:04:40.240 I love Korea.

00:04:40.960 Why not?

00:04:41.400 Everyone else can make their own pronouns and genders and identities these days.

00:04:45.640 So why not?

00:04:46.460 And obviously, I got some hate for that.

00:04:49.100 And, you know, I've kind of grown from that and trying to learn.

00:04:51.580 And, you know, now I'm trying to just be myself.

00:04:53.840 Yeah.

00:04:54.380 Well, it's a little bit more complicated than that, isn't it?

00:04:59.340 Because, I mean, you spent a shit ton of money.

00:05:03.840 And you had loads.

00:05:05.540 Like, there's surgeries that I could probably need to do that aren't cosmetic.

00:05:09.960 Right.

00:05:10.580 I'm like, you know what?

00:05:11.560 I'll do that when I really have.

00:05:12.960 Do you know what I mean?

00:05:13.460 Most people avoid having surgery.

00:05:15.140 You had a lot of them in a short period of time.

00:05:17.840 You spent, according to some people, like a quarter of a million dollars doing it.

00:05:21.840 And also, as you say, you pissed off a lot of people, particularly Korean people, who were like, well, you can't just transition to being Korean.

00:05:29.820 You know, you can't just, like, be another ethnicity, nationality.

00:05:34.120 So why did you want to be Korean?

00:05:38.300 Or this particular person?

00:05:39.780 Did you want to be Korean?

00:05:41.160 Or did you want to be like this guy?

00:05:43.180 What was the rationale?

00:05:44.160 It started out, I was living in Korea for a year.

00:05:46.380 And then slowly over time, I just became really in love with Korean culture.

00:05:49.560 And I felt really happy.

00:05:50.740 For the first time in my life, when I lived there, I felt like I belonged somewhere.

00:05:53.740 I felt like I fitted in.

00:05:55.220 And, you know, Korean people accepted me.

00:05:57.100 And I wanted to be a part of that.

00:05:58.400 And it's actually not very unusual what I did.

00:06:00.260 Because foreigners that live in Korea, they all get the surgery.

00:06:03.680 They all change their hair.

00:06:04.700 They start speaking Korean.

00:06:05.820 They start acting Korean.

00:06:07.080 Everyone does it in Korea.

00:06:08.000 It's just like an addiction.

00:06:08.960 K-pop is such an incredible phenomenon.

00:06:11.660 And if anyone that's lived in Korea, they fall for this.

00:06:14.200 And, you know, they want to be Korean.

00:06:15.500 They might not say it publicly like me.

00:06:17.240 But they all feel that way.

00:06:18.600 They all try to identify that way.

00:06:20.780 And they even become Korean citizens as well.

00:06:23.300 So, you know, the Koreans actually didn't really get pissed off at me.

00:06:26.600 Did they not?

00:06:27.120 They were actually, even to this day, they're very grateful that I'm always promoting their culture.

00:06:30.920 Sometimes they think, okay, he's a bit wacky.

00:06:33.200 But, you know, he's fun.

00:06:34.300 He's entertaining people.

00:06:35.500 He's spreading K-pop.

00:06:36.780 But really, it was kind of more of the woke culture that took offense to me, you know.

00:06:40.780 Oh, did they?

00:06:41.360 But, you know, I find that weird.

00:06:42.960 Because they're the same people that preach about acceptance.

00:06:45.800 About, you know, not judging people.

00:06:47.960 About anyone can identify however they feel inside.

00:06:51.680 And, you know, I generally had an affinity with Korea.

00:06:53.900 And I was like, why not?

00:06:55.000 You know, everyone else can identify.

00:06:56.580 Some people actually identify as clowns.

00:06:58.480 And they use clown pronouns.

00:06:59.900 And it's like, you know, it's true.

00:07:02.380 It's true.

00:07:02.820 What are clown pronouns?

00:07:04.400 Uh, circus, I guess.

00:07:08.020 Pronouns that I use are they, them, she, her, and clown, clown, self.

00:07:13.480 This is Cypress.

00:07:14.980 And Clown mentioned not having people use clown or clown, self, pronouns for clown.

00:07:20.020 And so, in this situation, I would make sure that I exclusively use clown pronouns to talk about Cypress.

00:07:25.800 So, Cypress knows that I see clown self for who clown is.

00:07:32.420 And I want clown to be hearing those pronouns more than the other ones out of my mouth.

00:07:39.000 So, like, I thought if someone can identify as a clown, you know, why can't I identify as Korean?

00:07:43.880 What's the harm in that?

00:07:45.320 Right.

00:07:45.620 And, of course, you know, it had a backlash.

00:07:47.240 And, you know, I didn't get it at the time.

00:07:48.540 Now I kind of understand it more.

00:07:50.160 But I didn't get it because I was thinking, you know, if someone can change their gender, which for many women can be very offensive, you know, why can't I say I'm Korean?

00:07:57.880 I'm not hurting anyone.

00:07:59.020 I'm doing something that makes me happy.

00:08:00.340 And I'm showing my love for a particular culture.

00:08:02.700 What was it about Korea that made you fall in love with their culture?

00:08:06.040 Well, there's so many aspects.

00:08:07.680 If you're in Korea, it's the music.

00:08:09.620 It's the Korean dramas.

00:08:10.560 It's the people.

00:08:11.340 It's just the whole culture as a whole, the history.

00:08:13.880 It's a beautiful country, rich in kind of history.

00:08:17.660 And it's just an incredible place.

00:08:19.620 So, there's so many aspects.

00:08:21.280 But, yeah, really the people I fell in love with, the way they looked, but also the way they behaved and the way they acted.

00:08:25.740 They're very kind and sweet.

00:08:27.720 And, yeah, I did, you know, I was always unhappy with my looks.

00:08:30.240 So, I thought, I want to look a different way.

00:08:32.200 Why can't I look Korean?

00:08:33.240 Why can't I look like a pop star like Jimin to feel happier inside?

00:08:36.900 And I've got to a point now where I realized that wasn't making me happy.

00:08:40.100 So, now I'm just trying to be myself.

00:08:42.400 And, you know, I'm the happiest I've ever been.

00:08:44.440 Why were you unhappy with your looks, Oli?

00:08:46.880 So, when I was a teen at school, I was bullied, like, all the time, every day.

00:08:50.660 Like, some days I wouldn't go to school.

00:08:51.840 I would try and make myself sick so I didn't have to go to school.

00:08:54.660 But my mum would still make me go to school.

00:08:57.060 In fact, she was doing the right thing.

00:08:58.280 She didn't realize I was getting bullied.

00:09:00.240 But, yeah, I used to get bullied.

00:09:01.480 You know, people would say I had a really big nose.

00:09:03.060 I used to have very bad acne and very bad skin.

00:09:05.400 So, that really led me to have severe self-confidence issues, you know, self-esteem issues.

00:09:10.800 And I just felt really bad about myself.

00:09:12.540 So, when I had an opportunity in Korea to have surgery, you know, there were surgeries

00:09:16.880 literally everywhere.

00:09:18.300 I was like, you know, maybe I can actually be happy.

00:09:20.980 Maybe I can look good.

00:09:22.280 You know, maybe people can look at me and think, oh, he looks handsome or he looks nice.

00:09:25.520 So, how did it start?

00:09:28.720 Because is it right to almost frame this as an addiction to plastic surgery that you had?

00:09:33.600 You know, I will admit it.

00:09:34.800 It was an addiction.

00:09:36.060 Yes, I'll admit it now.

00:09:37.180 Thankfully, I'm pretty much over that addiction.

00:09:39.060 I'm not considering any more surgeries.

00:09:41.020 I'm kind of just trying to be content with who I am.

00:09:43.740 And there's a lot of surgeries I regret.

00:09:45.400 You know, I don't have much movement in my face.

00:09:47.360 I actually have metal in my face and my chin.

00:09:49.600 My chin was broken.

00:09:50.420 And my cheeks.

00:09:51.540 So, there's things that I regret.

00:09:52.860 And, you know, I can't take back the past.

00:09:54.880 It was an addiction.

00:09:55.980 I've thankfully beat that addiction.

00:09:58.260 But, you know, is it any wonder people get these addictions with things like social media

00:10:02.420 that, you know, kind of feed this?

00:10:04.260 We have the Kardashians.

00:10:05.220 We have K-pop stars.

00:10:06.320 And, you know, they all have surgery.

00:10:07.920 They don't like to admit it.

00:10:08.840 They all have surgery.

00:10:09.740 90% of K-pop stars do.

00:10:11.680 And, you know, it's become a norm.

00:10:13.760 So, is it any wonder people fall for this addiction?

00:10:16.620 Yeah, well, you know, I should say a couple of things first.

00:10:22.020 The first thing I should say is that I think you're actually incredibly brave because you

00:10:28.600 did all this in public and then within a very short period of time said, actually, no, this

00:10:33.920 is wrong.

00:10:34.720 And you're now speaking out about transitioning and all of this other stuff that we'll go on

00:10:39.820 to talk about.

00:10:40.380 So, while, you know, I'll be honest with you, five months or six months or wherever

00:10:45.040 it was ago when the story first came up in the news, you know, Francis and I do this

00:10:49.600 satirical comedy show three nights a week called Raw.

00:10:52.940 And this guy from, like, London decided to be Korean.

00:10:56.760 We were taking the piss because it's kind of, it's a crazy story.

00:11:00.400 Of course.

00:11:00.700 Right?

00:11:00.880 But I actually think that, you know, you should know that when Francis and I are asking you

00:11:05.720 about this, I think your story is probably wackier than most in terms of the type of

00:11:12.920 transition that you went through.

00:11:14.620 But it's actually quite emblematic, I think, of what a lot of people are potentially being

00:11:19.100 exposed to because you talk about being bullied.

00:11:21.740 You know, when I was a teenager, there were kids around me who would have been bullied

00:11:25.220 every day and didn't want to go to school.

00:11:27.260 But none of them, none of them decided at that time that they needed to transition and

00:11:32.060 be something else because it just wasn't available.

00:11:34.700 And you mentioned social media.

00:11:36.520 Where did you get the idea that the answer to your problems would be to change yourself

00:11:41.080 physically?

00:11:42.140 Well, it firstly started in Korea.

00:11:44.060 You are inundated with billboards absolutely everywhere.

00:11:46.940 When there's more plastic surgeries than there are supermarkets in Korea, it's literally

00:11:50.900 insane.

00:11:51.620 The district in Gangnam, which is kind of the plastic surgery capital of the world, there's

00:11:55.480 probably about a thousand clinics within a square mile.

00:11:59.740 That's how crazy it is.

00:12:00.900 So it's basically, it was kind of put in your face everywhere.

00:12:03.600 You can look perfect.

00:12:04.660 You can look beautiful.

00:12:05.600 And everyone in Korea was doing it.

00:12:07.240 And I had that self-esteem issue.

00:12:09.000 I was so unhappy.

00:12:09.720 And I thought, maybe I can be happy as well.

00:12:11.840 Maybe I can look like that billboard.

00:12:13.320 Maybe I can look like that advertisement.

00:12:14.940 And, you know, we see that a lot across Asia.

00:12:17.200 You know, plastic surgery is a booming business.

00:12:19.140 And interestingly enough, in Korea and China, a lot of people have surgery to emulate Caucasian

00:12:24.920 features.

00:12:25.400 So a higher nose bridge, double eyelid surgery.

00:12:27.940 So what I was doing was obviously different.

00:12:30.260 And it only started as a nose surgery.

00:12:31.940 I just wanted to fix my nose.

00:12:33.300 And then it kind of became an addiction.

00:12:34.780 But what I've been doing is kind of the reverse of what's been going on in Asia.

00:12:39.040 So I don't understand why people, you know, have an issue with me having these surgeries

00:12:43.740 to look Korean when everyone in Korea is trying to look, you know, westernized.

00:12:47.780 That's such a good point, because obviously they do do that.

00:12:52.960 The thing that I worry about, maybe I'm getting old now, but I just think...

00:12:57.320 You are.

00:12:58.200 Yeah, that is true.

00:12:59.280 You still look great.

00:13:00.160 Thank you, Ollie.

00:13:01.580 But where's the duty of care for the surgeons and their clients?

00:13:06.240 How do they discern that this is an operation that is needed and is merited?

00:13:10.820 And how do they discern that, you know, this person is ill?

00:13:13.900 Maybe they have body dysmorphia.

00:13:15.400 Maybe you are not doing the right thing by your patient.

00:13:18.880 So a credible doctor would actually have a psychologist on hand.

00:13:22.780 So with a good doctor, you would have a psychology appointment before the surgery,

00:13:27.940 a consultation, which would be about an hour long,

00:13:29.640 and it would go really in depth to your family history,

00:13:32.200 any issues with like substance abuse, any issues with body dysmorphia.

00:13:35.920 So you go through all that.

00:13:37.080 Not every doctor has that, though.

00:13:38.280 It depends what country.

00:13:39.160 Now, I've had surgery, I think about six or seven countries.

00:13:41.380 I can't even remember.

00:13:41.980 So I kind of go around the world because, you know, the UK, the doctors are quite strict,

00:13:45.840 and they weren't really telling me what I wanted to hear.

00:13:48.220 So I was going to foreign countries.

00:13:49.820 So what were they telling you?

00:13:50.960 What does that mean?

00:13:51.860 A lot of them were saying no.

00:13:53.600 Like, some doctors wouldn't perform a nose surgery on me because I'd already had my nose done,

00:13:58.220 and they didn't want to do revisions.

00:13:59.460 They said it's too risky.

00:14:00.580 Or some of them were just too conservative.

00:14:02.260 And, you know, I wanted kind of an unusual look, and they wouldn't give that.

00:14:05.960 So, you know, I found a way to find somewhere that would do it.

00:14:09.140 You know, I was going all over the world.

00:14:11.480 And, you know, I think young people, if they really want to do something, they do find a way.

00:14:15.940 And, you know, I have found in the past doctors via Instagram.

00:14:19.280 You know, one of the doctors, I nearly died.

00:14:20.680 Like, I had a gynecomastia, which was removing all the fat from my chest.

00:14:24.720 And basically, I was in agony.

00:14:26.400 I couldn't move for days and days and days.

00:14:28.000 And I had these tubes inside my body to drain the blood.

00:14:31.840 And without warning, I didn't even know they were there, to be honest.

00:14:33.460 Without warning, he ripped them out one day.

00:14:34.980 I had no morphine and stuff.

00:14:36.100 I was literally in agony.

00:14:37.060 I was, like, shaking so much.

00:14:38.420 And that was in Armenia.

00:14:39.900 So, you know, I'd gone to that country because I couldn't find a doctor here that would do what I wanted.

00:14:44.180 So I think that's the risk.

00:14:45.680 Young people will find a way to get these surgeries.

00:14:48.020 And there's not always checks and balances.

00:14:50.300 So I would say, from experience, you know, for young people, they're really, really sure about something.

00:14:54.980 Think about it for a few years.

00:14:56.060 You know, if a girl wants to get breasts as a woman or someone wants to change a nose,

00:15:00.840 if it's really been on their mind, go to a good doctor.

00:15:03.340 You know, don't kind of skip things and go to, like, a doctor that will just say yes to everything

00:15:08.120 because that's where things can go wrong.

00:15:10.440 And so moving through, you've had these different surgeries to make you look more Korean.

00:15:18.160 And then when do you go, you know what, I'm not sure I should have done this.

00:15:23.980 When does, how does that happen?

00:15:25.760 Well, actually, it kind of developed because I got to a point, I had more surgery last year.

00:15:30.400 I had so many surgeries.

00:15:32.360 I think I went under the knife three times last year.

00:15:34.620 I had the eye surgery.

00:15:36.320 And that's when I said, you know, I feel Korean.

00:15:38.040 Why not?

00:15:38.840 If everyone else can identify in different ways.

00:15:40.920 And then earlier this year, I actually underwent 11 surgeries in one day.

00:15:44.460 And, you know, I'm very happy with the results now.

00:15:46.640 It made my face at the time more feminine.

00:15:48.940 And, you know, I was unhappy still.

00:15:50.940 And I thought maybe I'm trapped in the wrong body.

00:15:52.800 And it sounds crazy.

00:15:53.660 But, you know, I became trans for a while because my whole life, you know, I was always a bit more feminine.

00:15:58.440 I didn't fit in.

00:15:59.460 And I generally thought, you know, if society is saying, oh, it's normal to transition and stuff, I kind of fell for that.

00:16:04.840 And I was like, okay, maybe I'm meant to be a woman.

00:16:06.760 May I stop you there?

00:16:07.520 Sorry.

00:16:07.860 You say society is saying it's normal to transition.

00:16:11.860 How did you get that impression?

00:16:13.800 Because we all live in our own bubbles now, don't we?

00:16:16.760 Like, the bubble that I live in, I don't think that is the common thread, you know what I mean?

00:16:23.060 So when you say society says it's normal to transition, what do you mean?

00:16:27.680 So basically, if you go online on any social media platform or indeed in the school system in America,

00:16:33.780 kids are being taught from a young age that transitioning, you know, you can do it as a kid.

00:16:39.280 Obviously, I'm an adult, so I transitioned as an adult.

00:16:42.040 But, you know, when you've got everyone around the world, educators, people on social media, celebrities, you know,

00:16:47.400 normalizing this and saying it's easy as one, two, three.

00:16:50.640 No, I thought it was an easy thing.

00:16:52.040 And I had the facial feminization.

00:16:53.500 I was actually going to go do body surgery as well.

00:16:56.440 Thankfully, I didn't, you know.

00:16:57.540 But when you have that constantly pushed, particularly online, I spent all my time online on social media and stuff.

00:17:03.580 And, you know, it's so easy.

00:17:05.200 It's so normal.

00:17:06.340 You know, maybe that's what you're being told.

00:17:07.920 You're being told having surgery is easy.

00:17:10.040 It's normal.

00:17:10.560 And also transitioning, you know, if you're feeling lost, if you're feeling confused with your gender,

00:17:15.220 it's because you are trans.

00:17:16.600 It's because you're trapped in the wrong body.

00:17:18.140 So I thought that I was trapped in the wrong body.

00:17:20.180 So I thought, you know, maybe the Korean thing is not right.

00:17:24.660 Maybe it's actually the fact that I'm in the wrong gender.

00:17:27.520 So I transitioned.

00:17:28.720 I had facial feminization.

00:17:29.860 I had, I mean, my forehead bones are shaved down.

00:17:32.040 My eyebrow bone's shaved down.

00:17:33.220 I had another eye surgery.

00:17:34.360 Chin, cheek fat removed here.

00:17:36.440 Like, did so many things.

00:17:37.240 And, you know, I love the results now because it looks nicer than I was.

00:17:40.620 But at the same time, I just feel like I could have done more to myself.

00:17:45.560 I was going to go to Thailand and do the body surgery.

00:17:47.920 I could have died.

00:17:49.280 And I would have also been left with deep regret for the rest of my life.

00:17:52.320 So, you know, I just think my message is, you know, not to stop people doing these things.

00:17:56.900 People want to do it if that's what they really believe, do it.

00:17:59.460 But just, you know, educate yourself on the risks.

00:18:02.320 And also, don't rush into things.

00:18:04.380 You know, don't do something because it's trending or because people on social media are saying,

00:18:08.100 do this, it's easy.

00:18:09.780 You know, for kids in America, when they're being told by influencers or schools that,

00:18:14.840 you know, at age 12, take puberty blockers, we can give you a double mastectomy.

00:18:18.560 When it comes across as it's easy and they don't realize, you know, there's a lifelong consequence.

00:18:23.500 These kids will be on medication for their whole life.

00:18:25.180 There's a lot of health implications.

00:18:26.660 There's not enough research.

00:18:27.940 So that's the reason, you know, I'm trying to share to try and help people.

00:18:31.000 I'm an adult, but.

00:18:32.060 So people are being, children are being misinformed.

00:18:35.000 So come back to the story because I interrupted you.

00:18:37.180 I just felt that that was an important point to flesh out.

00:18:39.740 But you have all these surgeries and you thought you were trans for a while after thinking you're.

00:18:46.540 And when do you go actually, you know what, maybe I'm neither.

00:18:50.000 Maybe I'm just.

00:18:51.240 Well, it was again, it was about four months ago.

00:18:53.640 So I got to a point where I was still unhappy.

00:18:55.640 I was thinking, OK, I became Korean, I became trans, had all this surgery.

00:18:59.260 Now I'm thinking about doing more surgery, irreversible surgery that I really can't change.

00:19:03.820 Is this what I want?

00:19:05.060 You know, I look in the mirror every day and I'd have the surgery.

00:19:07.480 And for two months, I would be so happy.

00:19:09.440 It's weird because when I have a swollen face, I actually feel beautiful.

00:19:12.800 Sounds weird.

00:19:13.740 But that was when I feel my most beautiful.

00:19:15.360 And then after that wears off, I kind of feel like, oh, I look too normal.

00:19:18.000 And so it got to a stage where I'm thinking, OK, am I crazy?

00:19:23.060 Like, have I got body dysmorphia?

00:19:24.780 Why am I doing this?

00:19:25.840 You know, I was losing relationships with friends, family.

00:19:28.420 You know, everyone was moving away from me because they were so upset with what I was doing.

00:19:31.660 And obviously people online were upset with me and stuff.

00:19:35.000 And I'm thinking, what am I doing to myself?

00:19:36.960 So I actually was lost and I was thinking I need direction in my life.

00:19:41.060 So I thought, let me just go to church.

00:19:42.600 I hadn't been to church in years.

00:19:43.860 I used to go as a kid, I was actually raised atheist, but I used to go as a kid at a Church

00:19:48.640 of England school.

00:19:49.980 And I just went into church.

00:19:51.240 It's like, let me just have some peace.

00:19:52.780 Let me sit calmly at the back and think and reflect on my life.

00:19:56.400 And that was a defining moment for me.

00:19:58.420 It was like, you know, stop what you're doing.

00:20:00.980 Just be happy with who you are.

00:20:02.500 And then I started going to church more, started reading the Bible, just the teachings

00:20:06.620 of Jesus.

00:20:08.260 And I realized, you know, it's like, just be, you know, be the way you were born.

00:20:11.460 You know, stop doing all this crazy thing.

00:20:13.300 Because at the end of the day, it's not fulfilling me.

00:20:15.240 It's not giving me happiness.

00:20:16.240 It's harming me.

00:20:17.160 It's harming other people.

00:20:18.620 You know, what's the point of all this?

00:20:19.940 It doesn't even matter what I look like.

00:20:21.280 It's what's inside that counts.

00:20:22.900 And that's when I also had an awakening.

00:20:24.800 It was like, you know, I actually regretted what I was doing online on TikTok and stuff

00:20:29.020 because maybe I was persuading people to have surgeries or maybe I was persuading people

00:20:33.520 to become Korean or whatever.

00:20:35.440 And I felt, you know, actually, I have a moral responsibility with, you know, I've got 2 million followers

00:20:40.060 online.

00:20:40.320 I have a responsibility for these kids, these people that look up to me.

00:20:43.880 I need to send them a good message, you know.

00:20:46.020 So that's why I've kind of been trying to do some activism to try and spread love and

00:20:50.500 positivity in the world.

00:20:51.500 And just to try and, you know, spread a better message rather than, you know, getting surgery

00:20:55.640 is cool.

00:20:56.640 Being Korean is cool.

00:20:58.180 You know, it's, I just felt bad for what I was doing.

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00:21:31.240 Did nobody at any point sit you down and go, Oli, I really think you need to talk to

00:21:37.580 somebody?

00:21:38.200 Yeah, a lot of times.

00:21:39.020 Like my family friends, I stopped talking to a lot of my family for, you know, multiple

00:21:44.120 times for like weeks, the time after surgeries.

00:21:46.340 And I would never inform people I was having a surgery.

00:21:48.700 I would just go and do it and post it online or, you know, whatever.

00:21:53.280 And because I thought, you know, I don't want to message individual people and say, oh, by

00:21:56.960 the way, I've just had another surgery.

00:21:57.900 You know, I'll just put it online.

00:21:59.560 My family will have to deal with it that way.

00:22:01.380 And that was actually very irresponsible of me.

00:22:03.300 That was wrong of me.

00:22:04.300 I put people through a lot of pain and suffering.

00:22:07.100 And, you know, a lot of people tried to stop me.

00:22:08.920 But, you know, I'm a very headstrong person.

00:22:10.980 I don't really listen.

00:22:12.100 I should listen to people.

00:22:13.540 You know, I should start.

00:22:14.420 I'm trying to grow as a person.

00:22:15.900 I should start listening to people and taking people's advice.

00:22:18.460 But at the time, it was like I was so headstrong.

00:22:20.780 I was hell bent on.

00:22:21.880 I want to look a certain way.

00:22:23.000 I want to look like a K-pop star.

00:22:24.340 And then I was thinking, OK, I want to be trans.

00:22:26.040 And it's, you know, I'm a bit crazy.

00:22:28.480 But like I go through trends, like I go through phases.

00:22:31.580 And, you know, young people are going through phases now where they have gender dysphoria.

00:22:35.440 And they're very confused.

00:22:37.120 And, you know, as a teen, it's a very confusing time.

00:22:39.380 You do question yourself.

00:22:41.240 And that's a very normal thing.

00:22:42.640 But we shouldn't have as a society be telling kids, you know, go transition, go get a surgery

00:22:48.420 when they're a kid.

00:22:49.820 You know, I believe if people want to transition, do it as an adult.

00:22:52.960 Well, absolutely, I support all people.

00:22:56.220 But I just don't think we should be pushing a narrative on kids and minors when it's not

00:23:00.980 healthy.

00:23:01.420 You know, they may have gender dysphoria.

00:23:02.800 We need to give them love and comfort and support.

00:23:05.620 But we shouldn't be encouraging, you know, doing things to themselves.

00:23:09.680 Do you think that you had gender dysphoria, Oli, when you were thinking about transitioning?

00:23:13.300 Yeah, obviously, I'm not a kid.

00:23:14.660 I was when I transitioned fully.

00:23:16.380 It was actually earlier this year.

00:23:17.720 So I was 32.

00:23:18.320 So I definitely have gender dysphoria and probably an identity crisis of some sort, because I've

00:23:24.540 had quite a few different identities.

00:23:25.800 So yeah, I definitely think gender dysphoria and just very low self-esteem and body dysmorphia.

00:23:30.660 And it's become increasingly common to have these things in the US, medically diagnosed

00:23:37.540 as around 270,000 teens that are medically diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

00:23:41.500 In terms of kids identifying as trans or non-binary, that has doubled since 2016, according to research

00:23:50.620 from the Williams Institute at the UCLA.

00:23:52.800 So it's like it's, there's studies being done on this.

00:23:55.340 So there's basically a real increase in the last couple of years in people identifying in

00:23:59.780 different ways, people with body dysmorphia.

00:24:01.980 And social media obviously has a huge impact.

00:24:05.280 You know, we see everyone uses a filter.

00:24:06.900 We look up to people like Kim Kardashian, you know, and, you know, some people love her,

00:24:11.520 some people hate her.

00:24:12.340 But at the end of the day, so many people look up to her.

00:24:14.520 She's got over 300 million followers.

00:24:16.880 She has a lot of surgery.

00:24:18.460 You know, is she sending the right message to kids?

00:24:20.860 You know, that's up to them to decide.

00:24:22.580 But I feel with the kind of social media's rise, like TikTok and stuff, people are developing

00:24:29.900 these, you know, gender dysphorias and body dysmorphia based on this.

00:24:34.440 It's weird because you said, well, I'm a little crazy, but, you know, we've spent some

00:24:39.220 time with you before the interview.

00:24:40.640 I think some of the stuff you've done is crazy.

00:24:43.440 I agree.

00:24:44.380 But I don't get the sense that you're crazy at all.

00:24:47.220 You seem actually like a pretty grounded, sensible, normal person to me, which I think

00:24:53.660 is kind of part of why to a lot of people this is such a concern because someone who,

00:24:59.420 okay, low self-esteem, okay, you had bad experiences at school.

00:25:03.660 You didn't enjoy going to school.

00:25:05.240 A lot of children throughout the entire history of the human race will have experienced both

00:25:10.380 of those as teenagers and going into adulthood.

00:25:13.240 And sometimes, you know, sometimes it takes an entire life to work out who are you?

00:25:17.900 What are you supposed to be doing with your life?

00:25:19.300 What is your purpose?

00:25:20.140 What is the job that you want to do?

00:25:21.640 That's all part of human development.

00:25:23.760 But now we have such powerful technology, both in terms of the surgeries, but also in

00:25:30.240 terms of the social media, the spreading of the message that if there's something wrong

00:25:34.380 with, if you feel something is slightly not quite right with you, here's a whole range

00:25:39.860 of options for you.

00:25:40.660 You can do this.

00:25:41.260 You can do this.

00:25:42.120 And I think that's where a lot of people's concerns comes in because it's almost like

00:25:45.400 you give your child the phone.

00:25:46.440 You have no idea what's going to end up happening.

00:25:49.660 Exactly.

00:25:50.220 I mean, your point is like thousands of years, you know, it's normal for a teen or kid to

00:25:54.040 question themselves, to question their identity, to feel, you know, left out, to want to fit

00:25:57.960 into the society.

00:25:59.020 So, you know, if people watching this, when they're a teen, you do try to fit into the

00:26:04.060 with the cool kids in school, right?

00:26:05.560 So if the current cool kids are trans or non-binary, you also want to be like them because you want

00:26:10.820 to be part of that social group.

00:26:12.280 So it's a kind of, there's a lot of psychological elements to it, but again, with kids having

00:26:18.000 access to phones from a very young age, I mean, you know, kids four or five, they have

00:26:22.320 phones, they have TikTok, which is very risky because, you know, the parents can't monitor

00:26:26.560 them all day.

00:26:27.440 It's not healthy for their development.

00:26:28.840 It's better for them to be reading books, doing sports, you know, doing art, going to

00:26:32.900 museums, you know, that's more healthy.

00:26:34.320 That's what I grew up with.

00:26:35.480 And I'm sure most of us grew up with.

00:26:37.680 When you just give a kid a phone and they have unlimited access to the internet, what are they

00:26:41.960 seeing on TikTok?

00:26:42.880 And if they're seeing that from age three till they're a teenager, you know, that's

00:26:46.440 10 years of indoctrination.

00:26:48.000 They are going to believe that.

00:26:49.660 And that's also a risk with things like TikTok is, you know, the algorithm, it's obviously

00:26:55.100 TikTok is owned by a Chinese company and there are risks with that as well because the algorithms

00:26:59.360 promote certain views, you know, politically, culturally, socially.

00:27:03.340 And over time, this can shape children's opinions on things.

00:27:07.320 So, you know, if you're getting constantly on an algorithm, someone that is telling kids

00:27:12.760 to transition, like Dylan Mulvaney, the influencer, you know, kids are going to want to do that

00:27:16.620 because it's trending.

00:27:17.400 They constantly see it.

00:27:18.280 It's normalized for them.

00:27:19.260 So I think that's the risk of technology.

00:27:21.300 And I think kids, I'm sorry, parents should pay better attention to what their kids are

00:27:24.780 doing and maybe, you know, limit their access, you know, let them go on YouTube, let them

00:27:28.100 watch, you know, cartoons or videos or whatever.

00:27:31.040 Trigonometry.

00:27:31.900 Trigonometry, exactly.

00:27:32.600 But, you know, just be careful, you know, I don't think a kid should have TikTok or Instagram,

00:27:37.780 you know.

00:27:38.380 I mean, of course, with teens, they all want to do it.

00:27:40.720 All their friends have it.

00:27:41.480 It's kind of hard for parents to stop them.

00:27:43.540 But when you're a kid, you shouldn't really be using those platforms because there's a

00:27:47.020 lot of harm online.

00:27:48.180 I completely agree with you.

00:27:49.340 Which are the worst platforms for this?

00:27:52.540 Because I can't imagine too many kids are on Facebook.

00:27:54.960 Facebook seems like an older person's thing.

00:27:57.460 Twitter, again, not really.

00:27:59.980 Is it primarily TikTok and Instagram?

00:28:01.640 Yeah, I mean, Twitter's more for adults.

00:28:03.540 I mean, you do get kids on Twitter, like there's a lot of K-pop fans on Twitter and

00:28:07.460 stuff.

00:28:08.020 And, you know, Twitter can be quite a toxic place.

00:28:10.140 So it's not really the best place for a kid with all the views expressed on there.

00:28:14.640 So, yeah, it's mostly TikTok.

00:28:16.460 I mean, TikTok is very fast.

00:28:18.320 You've got the 15 second videos, people constantly scroll through.

00:28:21.420 And I spend hours sometimes, you know, at night just lying in bed, just scrolling through

00:28:24.540 and you just can't turn it off.

00:28:25.900 And there are some people that describe it as a digital fentanyl because it gets you hooked.

00:28:29.660 You know, from first use, you're hooked and then you're constantly on it all day.

00:28:33.300 And, you know, whatever videos they're seeing, you know, it's not right for a kid to be on

00:28:38.380 the phone all day when they should be doing other things.

00:28:40.680 They should be at school.

00:28:41.440 They should be doing their homework.

00:28:43.180 So TikTok is the main platform they're using.

00:28:46.060 And again, the risk is certain views can be promoted on there, which is, you know, what

00:28:52.560 kids are being exposed to.

00:28:53.900 And TikTok can be a fun place.

00:28:55.820 There's lots of dance videos, there's lots of cute videos, but there are videos that kids

00:28:59.160 might see that aren't meant for kids.

00:29:01.720 And TikTok, I will give them credit.

00:29:03.500 They do a lot of things that they don't show alcohol.

00:29:05.580 They don't show cigarettes.

00:29:06.980 There's certain things you can't show.

00:29:08.360 So I will give them credit for they do protect children.

00:29:10.540 And I believe you have to be 13 to be on the app.

00:29:13.220 So they do take some kind of responsibility with that.

00:29:16.500 But, you know, a kid's a kid.

00:29:17.560 If they want to go on something, they'll find a way, like a VPN or something.

00:29:20.640 Now, I completely agree.

00:29:22.500 And you said something just earlier on in that point, which I found quite shocking.

00:29:27.780 Are the trans kids the cool kids now?

00:29:30.580 Yeah.

00:29:31.020 So in like, particularly in America in schools, being trans or non-binary is considered cool

00:29:36.740 and trendy.

00:29:37.560 And if you're not in one of these groups, you're not cool.

00:29:41.120 It's like if you're a male or a female, you're not cool anymore.

00:29:44.420 You're kind of so like last year.

00:29:45.820 So it's like it has become a trend in some schools where, you know, if you're not part

00:29:50.540 of the trans or non-binary group, you are then an outcast and, you know, you feel left

00:29:54.940 out.

00:29:55.380 And I feel that's one of the reasons why kids are feeling the pressure to, you know, be

00:30:01.420 non-gender conforming, you know, have different pronouns or whatever, just to try and fit in

00:30:06.440 with their friends.

00:30:07.720 Because this has been a complete about term because when I went to school, I mean, it was

00:30:11.880 not that long ago.

00:30:12.580 I'm sure people will say that it is, but, you know, the worst thing you could be was

00:30:18.140 to stand out in any way, particularly if you were gay or bisexual, that the abuse that you

00:30:24.180 got was horrific.

00:30:25.880 And now to see it completely go the other way, it's shocking in a way.

00:30:30.520 Well, yeah, I'm obviously, you know, I'm happy I support all people.

00:30:33.400 So I'm happy that people that identify different ways can be accepted now.

00:30:37.420 I'm really glad to hear that.

00:30:38.820 And, you know, 40 years ago, it was very hard for a trans person to be trans.

00:30:42.160 So I'm glad they're able to live how they want now.

00:30:45.040 But the issue is, you know, like you said, years ago, it was not as common.

00:30:50.520 And there were generally people that were trans and they would have to go for a lot of

00:30:53.820 hardships to get where they are.

00:30:55.140 But now there's no checks and balances.

00:30:56.760 Now it's easy.

00:30:57.720 You can just self-identify and go into a woman's toilet, you know.

00:31:01.280 And there are cases where men just put on a dress, they go in a woman's toilet and assault

00:31:05.560 happens.

00:31:06.500 There was in Virginia and America in Loudoun County, a boy wearing a skirt went into the women's

00:31:11.160 wife and raped a girl.

00:31:12.660 And, you know, there was no justice.

00:31:14.580 So there are real issues with that.

00:31:17.080 But it's also important to be sensitive.

00:31:18.840 You know, we have to understand these kids are going through, you know, their teen years.

00:31:23.420 They might have identity struggles.

00:31:24.760 They might have issues.

00:31:25.540 But, you know, it has become a trend.

00:31:27.840 And that's the issue.

00:31:29.000 You know, we should support all people.

00:31:30.840 But, you know, kids shouldn't be, you know, forced or pressurized to do this from kindergarten.

00:31:36.160 Oli, we've explored this issue with a lot of people.

00:31:39.420 And there's a range of opinions.

00:31:41.760 And I can see that your approach, understandably, is to have compassion for people who feel that,

00:31:49.760 you know, they need to transition or that they have gender dysphoria and all sorts of things.

00:31:54.220 And I totally get that.

00:31:55.800 But on the other hand, some people would say, well, I mean, the question I want to ask you,

00:32:00.020 I suppose, is this.

00:32:01.120 Do you think it's possible to change your sex?

00:32:04.020 Or do you think it's possible to change your ethnicity in the way that you attempted to do?

00:32:07.640 Well, you know, when I announced I was Korean, I thought, you know, one of the reasons I thought

00:32:11.580 that was okay was because people are changing their gender all the time.

00:32:15.120 Sure.

00:32:15.260 So what's the difference between changing your gender or saying that I'm from Korea?

00:32:18.740 Yeah.

00:32:19.060 No, on the contrary, what I was doing was kind of almost made more sense.

00:32:23.100 You know, I love this country.

00:32:24.480 I've lived in this country.

00:32:25.780 I identify as that culture.

00:32:27.000 It's almost made more sense.

00:32:28.020 So, you know, I, again, I'm compassionate.

00:32:30.880 I accept people want to live certain ways and that's fine.

00:32:33.840 But also we have to look at, you know, there is biology.

00:32:37.060 It's just science.

00:32:38.280 You know, there are, if you're born a certain way, you know, some people change over time.

00:32:43.780 I think a lot of that's a societal pressure.

00:32:46.120 You know, it's from a young age there.

00:32:48.400 But sorry, what I'm getting at is, and you mentioned biology.

00:32:51.500 If you did, no matter how many surgeries you did, if you did a DNA test, none of them would

00:32:55.460 show you up to have Korean ethnicity, right?

00:32:57.460 And likewise with sex, it would be the same process.

00:33:00.500 So, and this is where a lot of the feminists, you mentioned women who are concerned about

00:33:04.360 this.

00:33:04.720 Yeah.

00:33:04.860 Their argument would be that, yes, have compassion for people with gender dysphoria or body image

00:33:11.560 issues or whatever it is that people are going through and get them the psychological

00:33:15.060 help that they need.

00:33:16.360 But there will be very few people actually, particularly if it's become a trend, as you

00:33:20.800 say, who are genuinely in need of transition.

00:33:24.340 A lot of it is confused young people.

00:33:26.700 And if we pretend, as you said yourself, as a society, that you can change your sex or your

00:33:32.660 gender or whatever, you can change your ethnicity, then of course, children and sometimes adults

00:33:37.620 will look at that and go, as you did.

00:33:39.520 Well, if you can change it, why can't you change it?

00:33:41.760 Do you know what I mean?

00:33:42.360 So, do you believe that it's possible to change your sex or it's possible to change

00:33:48.460 your ethnicity with surgery and hormones and whatever?

00:33:51.120 I mean, I don't believe it's possible to change biology.

00:33:54.400 You know, I think it's kind of what I did.

00:33:56.040 I just had plastic surgery to look Korean.

00:33:58.140 Yeah.

00:33:58.340 It's exactly the same.

00:33:59.200 You're having plastic surgery to look like a woman.

00:34:00.820 Yeah.

00:34:00.960 You're having plastic surgery to look like a man.

00:34:02.360 It doesn't change what's underneath.

00:34:03.780 It doesn't change the way you're born.

00:34:05.120 So again, if they took a, you know, a gender test, it would show their biological gender.

00:34:09.260 But I took a test that would show us, you know, British.

00:34:11.020 British. So, you know, there's no real difference there.

00:34:14.440 And, you know, again, people want to look a certain way.

00:34:17.880 That's fine.

00:34:18.300 They want to live a certain way.

00:34:19.580 That's fine.

00:34:20.020 But don't impose on other people because that's the issue.

00:34:23.020 And there are, again, generally people that are trans out there, but their voices are silenced

00:34:27.160 by these kind of people, these trans activists that have hijacked their movement.

00:34:31.160 And it's actually made it harder for them to be trans, you know, because they're getting

00:34:34.760 hate online and stuff because people, these trans activists have caused so many problems

00:34:39.540 for women. They've caused so many problems for kids.

00:34:41.580 And it's very offensive to women what some of these activists are doing.

00:34:45.600 You know, they're trying to silence the word women.

00:34:47.560 Cambridge Dictionary just updated their official definition of man and woman yesterday.

00:34:52.840 And it no longer says that it's the biology you're born with.

00:34:55.860 So I know you can't change the biology.

00:34:58.300 You can't change your gender.

00:35:00.140 But you can look a certain way.

00:35:01.420 You can feel a certain way.

00:35:02.400 And you can live your life that way, which, again, is what I was doing.

00:35:05.240 I had plastic surgery to be Korean.

00:35:07.480 Someone will have plastic surgery like a woman.

00:35:09.380 What's the difference?

00:35:10.800 Oli, there's a balance that needs to be struck between the rights of the individual

00:35:18.260 and also as well realizing that this is a mental illness.

00:35:23.440 Absolutely.

00:35:24.420 Because, and look, I read online, correct me if this is wrong.

00:35:27.820 You said that you wanted to cut or take a, reduce the size of your penis.

00:35:34.000 Yeah.

00:35:34.600 Because in Korea, they have smaller size penises.

00:35:38.220 Is that true or is that just nonsense?

00:35:40.340 That was actually, it was misquoted.

00:35:42.320 So basically, I was, I was going to transition.

00:35:44.440 So I had the facial feminization.

00:35:45.740 So I was going to actually cut it off.

00:35:47.120 So I was going to go to Thailand and cut it off, you know, to look like a Korean woman.

00:35:51.540 So, you know, it was misquoted.

00:35:53.340 I did some interview in Newsweek and they misquoted it.

00:35:56.200 So they said I wanted to cut a little bit off.

00:35:58.060 I wanted to cut it off completely to transition to become a woman.

00:36:01.400 So that was the kind of issue.

00:36:03.780 It was misquoted.

00:36:04.180 And is that one of the points where you went, okay, maybe this is starting to get a bit far.

00:36:08.540 Yeah, I was thinking, you know, that's something I could regret.

00:36:13.640 I might miss that one.

00:36:15.720 It might be a bit of a weird adjustment.

00:36:17.380 So, yeah, that was, again, because I was suffering from gender dysphoria.

00:36:20.380 And again, it is mental.

00:36:21.780 It's a mental health issue.

00:36:23.180 And, you know, plain and simple, it's like people need love and compassion, but we need

00:36:26.500 to address it as a mental health issue, not as, you know, a trans issue or whatever, where,

00:36:31.880 you know, kids want to do this.

00:36:33.100 You should support them.

00:36:33.900 If you dare question it, you're a bad person.

00:36:36.020 You know, why can't we question this happening?

00:36:38.120 You know, why can't we question the erosion of women's rights for this very, very small

00:36:42.520 minority, which is like 0.3% of the population?

00:36:45.580 See, I completely agree with you.

00:36:46.960 And to me, we're not really striking that balance where we're talking about people's

00:36:50.960 feelings.

00:36:51.300 And of course, people's feelings are important, Oli.

00:36:53.280 I'm not discounting that.

00:36:54.980 But when it comes to people literally chopping bits off themselves, changing their bodies,

00:37:01.060 living on medication for the rest of their life, and in some cases, shortening their lifespans.

00:37:06.800 Making themselves infertile.

00:37:08.300 Making themselves infertile.

00:37:09.560 At what point do we go, do we step in and go, I don't think this is a good way of living

00:37:15.040 or a good choice?

00:37:16.000 Do you see what I mean?

00:37:17.060 Absolutely.

00:37:17.580 I fully support, like, I think in America, we need in all 50 states legislation to stop

00:37:21.700 gender affirming care in teens.

00:37:23.420 Because currently you have in places like Oregon and Los Angeles, you have 12, 13 years

00:37:27.740 old.

00:37:28.260 They're going for these surgeries.

00:37:29.800 The doctors are making it so easy.

00:37:31.400 And they get $70,000 per surgery for the full body, by the way.

00:37:35.020 So there's a lot of money involved.

00:37:36.300 So, you know, we need to have laws to protect these kids, you know.

00:37:40.420 If somebody, you know, we should be giving people psychologist appointments.

00:37:44.380 Years and years ago, if someone was generally trans, they would spend, you know, four or

00:37:47.980 five years going to doctor's appointments, having psychology appointments, to make sure

00:37:51.160 that that's really what they wanted.

00:37:53.140 Now it's as easy as, you know, one, two, three.

00:37:55.300 You go into the doctor, they say, what would you like to be today?

00:37:58.020 Boy or a girl?

00:37:58.780 And, you know, they give them a prescription, they chop everything off.

00:38:01.300 And it's like that, you know, we need some kind of legislation in place.

00:38:04.560 You know, it's who cares about people's feelings when there are people, kids that are being,

00:38:08.700 you know, mutilated in my mind.

00:38:10.260 It's no different to female genital mutilation that you have in some cultures in Somalia.

00:38:15.360 What's the difference between that and cutting a child up in America that's 13, you know,

00:38:19.780 all under the kind of trans umbrella?

00:38:22.160 Yeah.

00:38:22.360 And if you were a child of that age and you had grown up in this time with access to TikTok

00:38:27.960 and Instagram and all the rest of it, do you think that that would have been your path?

00:38:31.500 Oh my God, I mean, I can't imagine.

00:38:33.460 I mean, it's bad enough of me now of obviously being Korean and being trans.

00:38:36.520 I can't imagine what I would have been, you know, probably being an alien or something.

00:38:40.880 So yeah, I think it's now it's like, it's so difficult for kids now, you know,

00:38:44.660 but kids shouldn't be learning these things.

00:38:46.360 It's fine to learn about love and acceptance of different people like LGBT.

00:38:50.300 That's a very good thing.

00:38:51.520 But, you know, we shouldn't be, some schools in America, there was this case recently,

00:38:55.660 this university dean, was teaching 14-year-olds how to use dildos and butt plugs, like sick,

00:39:02.220 really, really sick stuff.

00:39:04.200 I had like our LGBTQ plus health center come in.

00:39:07.540 They were passing around butt plugs and dildos to my students,

00:39:10.960 talking about queer sex, using flu versus using spit.

00:39:15.340 Meet Joe Bruno, dean of students at the prestigious Francis W. Parker Private School in Chicago,

00:39:21.260 which happens to charge $40,000 per student.

00:39:24.800 They're just like passing on dildos, butt plugs.

00:39:27.840 The kids are just playing with them.

00:39:29.340 They're like, how do you, how does this butt plug work?

00:39:31.600 How do we do, like, how does this work?

00:39:34.080 That's a really, like, a little part of my job.

00:39:36.820 Parents might be stunned to learn that Bruno's version of love and acceptance

00:39:41.220 means handing out sex toys to underage students.

00:39:45.200 That's amazing.

00:39:46.180 And everybody's cool with that, like the butt plugs and the dildos.

00:39:49.400 Nobody complains.

00:39:50.440 I mean, if the parents found out, would they, you know, it's queer sex.

00:39:55.420 This is the drag queen that came in.

00:39:57.500 What's her name?

00:39:58.600 Alexis Bevels.

00:39:59.900 Alexis Bevels.

00:40:00.800 I just hung out in my classroom.

00:40:03.060 Was there?

00:40:03.520 I hung out in my office.

00:40:05.320 You have so much freedom.

00:40:06.840 So much wiggle room.

00:40:09.500 So much freedom.

00:40:10.820 So much money.

00:40:12.380 I mean, to do stuff.

00:40:14.240 Cesar, are you okay with that too?

00:40:16.240 They don't know.

00:40:16.940 They would.

00:40:18.980 It's like, I wouldn't even, like, run it by them.

00:40:21.720 Like, why would I run it by them?

00:40:23.000 They'd be like, oh my God, that's wonderful.

00:40:25.400 How old were the kids with the classroom?

00:40:27.400 14, 18.

00:40:28.000 And funnily enough, the university issued a statement and they actually sided with him

00:40:32.980 as opposed to the kids.

00:40:34.180 So they're actually abusing these kids.

00:40:36.040 They're teaching these kids things.

00:40:37.060 So there are certain things that kids need to be protected from.

00:40:40.040 You know, that is just beyond shocking.

00:40:42.420 You know, again, with the Balenciaga scandal, when they had kids holding bondage bears.

00:40:46.120 How are we allowing this?

00:40:47.600 Thankfully, everybody was speaking up.

00:40:49.140 But how has this become so normal that the person that speaks out is cancelled?

00:40:53.880 The kids aren't protected.

00:40:55.040 The kids are the victims.

00:40:56.580 They're constantly victimized.

00:40:57.700 The schools protect the people teaching these things to kids.

00:41:00.740 And it's not right.

00:41:01.880 So we need something in place to stop these things.

00:41:05.400 Florida is a great example with Governor DeSantis.

00:41:08.720 They actually passed a bill to kind of protect kids from being taught certain things such as,

00:41:13.820 you know, transitioning and stuff from a young age.

00:41:15.540 And that was, you know, dubbed the Don't Say Gay Bill.

00:41:19.000 But really, it's nothing to do with that.

00:41:20.640 It was, you know, Ron DeSantis supports the LGBT community.

00:41:23.840 Florida supports the LGBT community.

00:41:25.580 But that was more of an issue of indoctrinating kids.

00:41:27.880 They didn't want certain things to be taught in kindergarten, you know,

00:41:31.220 which I think is a good thing.

00:41:32.320 We should have more legislation and laws like that.

00:41:35.720 But sadly, when you try to pass laws like that,

00:41:38.000 it's suddenly you're homophobic, you're transphobic.

00:41:41.340 But that's not the issue.

00:41:42.240 Most people aren't homophobic.

00:41:44.180 Most people just want the best for kids.

00:41:46.320 Most people want to protect kids.

00:41:48.020 You know, if someone's kid is gay or lesbian,

00:41:50.240 most parents would support that these days, which is fantastic.

00:41:53.920 But, you know, what people don't support is kids being taught these things in school,

00:41:58.100 like how to use a dildo at age 14,

00:42:00.160 like these really shocking things, you know,

00:42:02.200 that should be kept out of the classroom.

00:42:03.620 Well, you bring up an issue that I think is one of the biggest,

00:42:07.940 and it's almost like an underwater hidden concern of people,

00:42:11.240 because until recently you weren't allowed to talk about it in many social media platforms,

00:42:15.840 like Twitter.

00:42:16.600 You and I were talking in the car on the way here about the fact that you can now use the word groomer online,

00:42:23.720 for example.

00:42:24.260 And I know that for a lot of people,

00:42:25.700 part of the concern is that this has all become very muddled.

00:42:29.140 We've kind of slept, walk our way through, let's not beat up gay people in the street,

00:42:34.600 which I think we'd all agree was a bad thing and definitely shouldn't happen,

00:42:38.460 and people should be treated equally no matter who they love and all of that,

00:42:41.440 which, again, we'd all agree with.

00:42:43.380 To, like, your children should, if your child says they're trans, that means they're trans,

00:42:47.980 and if you question that, you're transphobic.

00:42:50.880 Through to, as you say, children being taught all sorts of sexualized stuff

00:42:56.860 that's not really about LGBTQ at all,

00:43:00.120 and it seems to be about something else in Thailand,

00:43:02.300 you mentioned this teacher, but didn't we have this,

00:43:05.100 was it the family sex show in the UK?

00:43:06.820 Yeah, we had the family sex show.

00:43:08.120 I don't know, did you follow this?

00:43:09.220 With the trans person with the piano.

00:43:11.380 I don't think it was, no, no, you're talking about a comedian.

00:43:14.720 Yeah, that's a different thing.

00:43:16.520 No, no, there was a family sex show that was in Bristol,

00:43:20.000 in which, at some point, all of the actors were encouraged to remove their clothes

00:43:25.980 to the level of nudity that they felt comfortable with.

00:43:30.360 And the audience range, I think it was starting from five or seven years old,

00:43:34.600 something like that.

00:43:36.140 And the lyrics were,

00:43:37.740 I have a penis in my pants, touch it, touch it, touch it, touch it.

00:43:42.020 And I think when people see that kind of stuff,

00:43:44.860 and combined with the stuff that you're talking about,

00:43:47.540 and also, you know, I don't know if you saw Matt Walsh's documentary,

00:43:50.740 What is a Woman?

00:43:51.440 If you look into the history of how some of these ideas came about,

00:43:56.040 they were pushed by outright pedophiles, right?

00:43:59.080 Yeah, absolutely.

00:43:59.740 So you put all that together,

00:44:02.460 do you think there is an element,

00:44:04.300 obviously not all trans people, not even all trans actors,

00:44:07.220 but do you think there's an element of this,

00:44:08.680 which is about early sexualization of children?

00:44:12.360 I mean, absolutely.

00:44:13.260 I mean, you look at anything in the media,

00:44:15.020 in Hollywood movies, in fashion, like with Balenciaga,

00:44:18.640 everything is about sexualization these days.

00:44:20.680 And the thing is, these people,

00:44:22.260 like these trans, radical trans activists,

00:44:24.380 they have actually hijacked the LGBT movement.

00:44:26.540 There's a lot of LGBT people

00:44:27.520 that don't want to be associated with these people.

00:44:29.000 They've really taken that movement.

00:44:30.880 And, you know, if anyone dares call someone a groomer,

00:44:33.960 you are transphobic, you're homophobic.

00:44:35.940 That's not correct.

00:44:36.960 People are just calling out what they see, which is grooming.

00:44:39.840 So when you have a fashion brand

00:44:41.800 trying to normalize the sexual exploitation of kids,

00:44:45.400 you know, glorifying it.

00:44:46.820 I mean, Balenciaga, they had a Supreme Court document,

00:44:49.260 which was trying to, you know,

00:44:51.200 pass a law to say that digital child porn was okay.

00:44:54.720 You know, and that's become so normal.

00:44:56.460 We see it every day in movies, even in cartoons.

00:44:59.840 In school, you have drag shows in America.

00:45:02.980 Again, people always say,

00:45:04.200 oh, you're homophobic to try and stop these drag story hours

00:45:07.320 or these drag shows.

00:45:08.500 But really, no kid should be going to a drag show

00:45:11.220 where the drag queen or the artist is stripping,

00:45:14.380 performing twerking.

00:45:15.560 And, you know, I've seen videos in Florida.

00:45:17.660 There was a bar where a drag queen was twerking,

00:45:20.020 holding like a three-year-old girl's hand.

00:45:21.920 And they're basically naked, basically naked.

00:45:24.400 And Florida moved to revoke the place's liquor license

00:45:29.000 if they did not stop those drag shows.

00:45:30.960 And I believe they've stopped now.

00:45:32.760 But, you know, again, it's classed as,

00:45:34.460 oh, if you dare speak out against screaming,

00:45:36.260 you're homophobic.

00:45:37.380 And it's not the case at all.

00:45:38.580 It's literally, there's so much exploitation

00:45:40.800 out there right now.

00:45:41.880 And there are people trying to normalize these things,

00:45:44.100 like calling predators minor attractive persons.

00:45:47.520 You know, the language, even the Washington Post,

00:45:49.460 New York Times, you know, these kind of woke newspapers.

00:45:52.040 There was Washington Post recently,

00:45:53.460 they did an article praising this play

00:45:55.200 that was about pedophiles.

00:45:56.520 And they were saying, you know,

00:45:57.300 maybe this is a good thing.

00:45:58.280 So it's like they're trying to push this agenda.

00:46:01.400 You know, that it's okay to exploit children

00:46:04.180 when it's never been okay in history

00:46:05.980 and it never will be okay.

00:46:07.480 I mean, it's, I completely agree with you.

00:46:09.820 I will say though, that it's nothing new.

00:46:11.460 I remember Charlotte Church, the singer,

00:46:13.740 I can't remember what newspaper it was,

00:46:15.440 or magazine, did a countdown

00:46:17.120 until when she was legal.

00:46:18.720 Wow.

00:46:19.800 Not surprising.

00:46:20.760 You know, and so, you know,

00:46:22.040 if you look at back and rock and roll,

00:46:23.640 Chuck Berry, Sweet Little 16,

00:46:26.120 you know, there've always been those elements,

00:46:28.260 those people in our culture

00:46:30.280 who have been trying to do this.

00:46:32.680 And thankfully, we now have stopped that element of it,

00:46:36.540 which is very worrying that there's another element

00:46:38.900 creeping into our society.

00:46:40.560 I don't remember being taught about buck plugs in school.

00:46:43.280 I promise you that.

00:46:44.280 It wasn't a thing back then,

00:46:45.560 but they've become very more brazen now.

00:46:47.540 You know, they're very open.

00:46:48.940 They, you know,

00:46:49.520 they don't even want to hide anymore, these people.

00:46:51.420 I mean, if we look at what happened

00:46:52.560 with Jeffrey Epstein's Island,

00:46:53.720 if you look at the flight logs,

00:46:55.140 how many Hollywood celebrities

00:46:56.440 and powerful people were there?

00:46:57.920 It's very, very shocking.

00:46:59.000 And, you know, people that are, you know,

00:47:00.640 loved by millions of people,

00:47:02.200 they see this,

00:47:02.860 and, you know,

00:47:03.140 what were they doing on the island?

00:47:04.380 So it's really, they don't even...

00:47:05.840 For legal purposes,

00:47:06.640 having a very nice time.

00:47:07.960 Exactly, of course.

00:47:09.100 Yeah, enjoying the tropics.

00:47:11.380 Most of them, anyway.

00:47:12.640 You know, why have these people become so open?

00:47:14.640 They don't want to hide it.

00:47:15.560 I mean, again,

00:47:16.140 the best example is the Balenciaga thing recently,

00:47:18.220 where they really didn't want to hide

00:47:19.460 what their agenda was.

00:47:20.640 No.

00:47:20.800 They had all of these horrific signs

00:47:22.820 about child abuse.

00:47:24.060 Their stylists had images of,

00:47:25.920 you know, child abuse on their Instagram.

00:47:28.100 Absolutely shocking torture.

00:47:29.860 The artists they were taking inspiration from

00:47:31.840 were doing, you know,

00:47:33.100 pictures of children being tortured

00:47:34.600 and amputated.

00:47:36.220 And it's just, like, deep.

00:47:38.160 But, you know,

00:47:39.000 they don't hide in the shadows anymore.

00:47:41.020 They're more open

00:47:41.640 because they feel that over time and time,

00:47:44.500 years and years,

00:47:45.020 they can normalize this.

00:47:46.780 And, you know,

00:47:47.360 if you look at examples in the past

00:47:49.040 when a certain type of people

00:47:51.240 want to normalize something,

00:47:52.360 you don't do it straight away

00:47:53.440 because people reject that.

00:47:54.880 They do it slowly over time.

00:47:56.260 They put it in the pop culture.

00:47:57.380 They put it in the magazines,

00:47:58.340 the fashion shows,

00:47:59.240 until slowly it becomes normalized

00:48:01.100 that, oh,

00:48:02.040 it's just another child holding a bondage bear.

00:48:04.020 Oh, it's just another child

00:48:05.080 with a trans drag queen naked.

00:48:09.060 Oh, that's normal.

00:48:09.900 We see that all the time in music videos.

00:48:11.500 I don't have a problem with that

00:48:12.480 because I see it all the time.

00:48:13.640 So that's the issue

00:48:14.540 is they've become so brazen.

00:48:15.960 They've pushed it

00:48:16.740 for years and years and years.

00:48:17.960 And it's almost becoming normalized.

00:48:21.020 And Oli,

00:48:21.760 you mentioned this Dylan...

00:48:24.160 Mulvaney.

00:48:25.920 Dylan Mulvaney,

00:48:26.760 who's been to the White House.

00:48:28.720 Yeah.

00:48:29.580 And this is a person

00:48:30.720 who's, again,

00:48:31.820 an online influencer

00:48:32.920 on TikTok.

00:48:35.580 Yeah.

00:48:36.600 I'm feeling my age

00:48:37.840 as I'm talking here.

00:48:39.540 This is a trans person

00:48:41.460 on TikTok

00:48:42.140 who promotes being trans,

00:48:43.920 basically.

00:48:44.340 Is that fair to say?

00:48:45.460 Yeah,

00:48:45.720 but they do more of a caricature.

00:48:47.080 So they actually started out

00:48:49.200 as an actor and a comedian

00:48:50.140 and they saw

00:48:51.480 they were getting a lot of views.

00:48:52.600 This is my belief

00:48:53.300 and a lot of people hold this belief.

00:48:54.720 They started out

00:48:55.300 as a caricature,

00:48:56.060 mocking women,

00:48:56.960 you know,

00:48:57.480 holding up tampons

00:48:58.780 and joking about,

00:48:59.760 oh, I can't wait to use these.

00:49:00.960 Basically,

00:49:01.380 just stereotyping women,

00:49:02.980 you know,

00:49:03.220 like high heels,

00:49:04.140 the blonde hair,

00:49:04.860 oh, I'm such,

00:49:05.440 you know,

00:49:05.640 a ditzy blonde.

00:49:06.660 Basically,

00:49:06.960 just mocking women.

00:49:07.700 And they started out like that

00:49:09.200 and, you know,

00:49:10.480 the trans lobby

00:49:11.460 will always say,

00:49:12.380 oh,

00:49:12.520 you should never question

00:49:13.660 someone that identifies as trans.

00:49:15.020 Yet they were questioning me.

00:49:16.900 He wasn't,

00:49:17.720 they kept saying,

00:49:18.600 oh, he wasn't really transsexual.

00:49:20.180 Like I was wearing dresses.

00:49:21.420 I was doing the makeup.

00:49:22.260 I had the facial feminization.

00:49:23.700 I had the extensions.

00:49:24.520 I was doing a lot more

00:49:25.460 than Dylan Mulvaney.

00:49:26.300 Dylan Mulvaney has grown their hair

00:49:28.000 and had laser hair removal.

00:49:29.520 That's it.

00:49:30.260 You know,

00:49:30.560 which,

00:49:30.980 you know,

00:49:31.320 if she generally feels that way,

00:49:32.740 okay, whatever.

00:49:33.800 But, you know,

00:49:34.280 why are people saying

00:49:35.120 that I wasn't trans yet?

00:49:36.400 Dylan's done literally nothing.

00:49:37.860 Ollie,

00:49:38.080 can I interrupt you?

00:49:39.000 Because this goes into,

00:49:41.560 and believe me,

00:49:42.620 I've been on the other end

00:49:43.860 of this question

00:49:44.480 I'm about to ask you

00:49:45.320 because when we have someone

00:49:46.360 who's very strong

00:49:47.320 and clear on this issue

00:49:49.080 like Posey Parker

00:49:49.940 who we've had on the show,

00:49:51.020 right?

00:49:51.560 She's like,

00:49:51.960 why do you keep calling

00:49:52.620 this person she?

00:49:53.560 It's a he.

00:49:54.240 Yeah, a he.

00:49:55.140 So,

00:49:56.080 is it,

00:49:57.420 if I get longer hair

00:49:59.900 and,

00:50:00.300 I mean,

00:50:00.640 if I got hair,

00:50:01.500 I can't afford

00:50:02.580 all the hair removal

00:50:03.440 that it would take

00:50:04.160 for me to not have body hair.

00:50:05.740 But,

00:50:06.120 if I did all that,

00:50:07.560 right,

00:50:08.120 would I become a she?

00:50:09.860 Am I a she?

00:50:10.600 You'd still be

00:50:11.400 the way you were born

00:50:12.220 biologically.

00:50:13.760 So,

00:50:14.060 this Dylan person,

00:50:15.280 surely they must be a he then

00:50:16.920 by that definition.

00:50:17.960 Yeah,

00:50:18.200 they are.

00:50:18.780 They are.

00:50:19.260 Yeah,

00:50:19.440 they just want to identify

00:50:20.880 as a woman

00:50:21.360 and,

00:50:21.860 you know,

00:50:22.040 they identify that way,

00:50:23.060 okay,

00:50:23.320 but what they're doing

00:50:24.260 is they're actually mocking women

00:50:25.460 and they're parodying women.

00:50:27.340 And do you think

00:50:27.960 there's a danger as well

00:50:29.080 because if people,

00:50:30.700 as you,

00:50:31.200 again,

00:50:31.500 coming back,

00:50:32.020 I'm just rehashing

00:50:33.500 what you've already said.

00:50:34.380 If you would watch

00:50:36.220 stuff like that

00:50:36.980 and it influences you,

00:50:38.560 it influences people,

00:50:39.480 it makes you go,

00:50:40.040 well,

00:50:40.140 if you can do this,

00:50:40.880 why can't I do this other thing?

00:50:42.660 Do you think

00:50:43.540 that someone like that

00:50:44.800 is actually doing damage

00:50:46.420 to other people?

00:50:48.120 Absolutely.

00:50:48.700 I mean,

00:50:48.960 it's harmful to,

00:50:50.420 when you have a platform

00:50:51.440 to do that.

00:50:52.060 And again,

00:50:52.420 that's why I do regret

00:50:53.560 in the past my behaviors

00:50:55.520 because I feel like

00:50:56.360 maybe I was influencing people

00:50:57.700 in the wrong way.

00:50:58.940 So,

00:50:59.100 I like,

00:50:59.360 I have a deep,

00:51:00.100 deep regret about that

00:51:00.940 and that's why I'm going to church.

00:51:01.920 I'm trying to redeem myself

00:51:02.840 and trying to move on

00:51:03.920 and trying to help people now.

00:51:05.180 So,

00:51:05.540 you know,

00:51:05.740 people that have a platform,

00:51:06.940 any platform,

00:51:07.800 whether it's TV,

00:51:08.920 movies,

00:51:09.560 you have a moral responsibility

00:51:11.000 to send a good message

00:51:12.560 to the world,

00:51:13.140 you know.

00:51:14.160 So,

00:51:14.640 I feel it's very harmful

00:51:15.980 for people like Dylan

00:51:16.940 to portray these stereotypes

00:51:18.580 to mock women.

00:51:20.220 And,

00:51:20.380 you know,

00:51:20.600 when a kid sees

00:51:21.740 Dylan Mulvaney

00:51:22.480 with the President

00:51:23.260 of the United States,

00:51:24.400 you know,

00:51:24.780 that means,

00:51:26.180 wow,

00:51:26.680 maybe I can do that.

00:51:27.760 I just need to grow my hair

00:51:28.800 and identify as a woman.

00:51:30.120 I can meet,

00:51:30.780 you know,

00:51:31.200 Biden,

00:51:31.680 because,

00:51:31.960 you know,

00:51:32.140 Biden seems to be inviting

00:51:33.280 all sorts of people

00:51:34.300 at the moment.

00:51:35.180 You won't have an interview

00:51:36.060 with a real journalist,

00:51:36.880 but he'll invite all these people.

00:51:38.760 He just had a drag queen

00:51:39.560 at the White House

00:51:40.220 who just tweeted

00:51:40.980 that kids can suck their dick,

00:51:42.960 you know.

00:51:43.660 What?

00:51:44.240 Yes,

00:51:44.640 a drag queen

00:51:45.260 that was at the White House

00:51:46.340 recently.

00:51:48.480 Biden invited loads

00:51:49.360 of drag queens

00:51:49.940 to do with the

00:51:51.480 Marriage Equality Act

00:51:52.860 being passed.

00:51:54.200 This drag queen tweeted

00:51:55.300 very recently

00:51:56.100 about kids can suck my dick

00:51:58.280 on Twitter.

00:51:59.740 Basically,

00:52:00.240 all the conservatives

00:52:00.940 were calling him out

00:52:01.520 for being there

00:52:02.000 and then they responded

00:52:02.700 by saying,

00:52:03.280 oh,

00:52:03.420 kids can suck my dick.

00:52:04.600 And I'm thinking,

00:52:05.500 this is the,

00:52:06.080 you know,

00:52:06.660 when these people

00:52:07.500 are going to the White House,

00:52:08.660 what message does that show

00:52:09.660 to their followers

00:52:10.260 that,

00:52:10.960 oh,

00:52:11.060 if I say that,

00:52:11.860 if I do that,

00:52:12.660 I can get an invite

00:52:13.480 to the White House.

00:52:14.180 Wow,

00:52:14.520 this is so cool.

00:52:15.740 You know,

00:52:15.900 and kids are very impressionable.

00:52:17.160 They fall victim to this.

00:52:18.260 They want to emulate people

00:52:19.760 like Dylan Mulvaney

00:52:20.540 and they think,

00:52:21.260 you know,

00:52:21.800 oh,

00:52:22.020 this is fun.

00:52:22.720 You know,

00:52:22.920 Dylan's making millions

00:52:23.820 of dollars now

00:52:24.420 mocking women.

00:52:25.420 You know,

00:52:25.700 he's got to deal

00:52:26.920 with Tampax

00:52:27.580 and,

00:52:28.520 you know,

00:52:28.700 maybe I can be like that.

00:52:29.860 He's got to deal

00:52:30.540 with Tampax?

00:52:31.340 Yeah,

00:52:31.480 where is he putting them?

00:52:32.840 Exactly.

00:52:33.540 I guess up his nose.

00:52:34.720 I don't know.

00:52:35.600 But,

00:52:35.820 yeah,

00:52:36.380 so he's got to deal

00:52:37.060 with Tampax

00:52:37.560 and Tampax had backlash

00:52:38.660 for that

00:52:39.560 because they're getting

00:52:40.440 trans people

00:52:41.200 to promote their products

00:52:41.940 which is,

00:52:42.660 you know,

00:52:43.020 it's obviously

00:52:43.940 they want some attention.

00:52:45.260 The brand,

00:52:45.860 you know,

00:52:46.120 it's a controversial

00:52:46.620 marketing tactic

00:52:47.520 but at the end of the day,

00:52:49.100 it's a joke

00:52:49.620 because they're going to lose

00:52:50.320 all their customers.

00:52:51.040 All their customers are women

00:52:51.920 that actually menstruate

00:52:52.940 and actually have periods.

00:52:54.200 People like Dylan Mulvaney

00:52:55.100 will never experience that.

00:52:56.260 They'll never go through

00:52:57.060 the suffering

00:52:57.580 a woman has to go through.

00:52:59.260 So it's deeply offensive

00:53:00.520 for Tampax

00:53:01.240 to do something like that.

00:53:02.560 You know,

00:53:02.840 if I was a woman,

00:53:03.660 I wouldn't buy Tampax anymore

00:53:04.800 based on them

00:53:06.160 openly mocking women.

00:53:08.460 How big a problem is it?

00:53:10.220 And to an extent,

00:53:11.320 this is a challenge

00:53:12.500 that we face

00:53:13.180 which is audience capture.

00:53:15.660 You're an influencer.

00:53:16.980 You're online.

00:53:17.680 You've got a huge,

00:53:18.840 you know,

00:53:19.140 you've got a huge audience.

00:53:20.520 You make your living

00:53:21.220 from being online.

00:53:22.680 You put out content.

00:53:24.680 There's some content

00:53:25.620 that really flies

00:53:26.800 and you think to yourself,

00:53:28.660 well,

00:53:28.920 I'll just do more

00:53:29.480 of that content.

00:53:30.560 And before you know

00:53:31.460 where you are,

00:53:32.280 you've gone down

00:53:32.980 a particular route

00:53:33.880 or rabbit hole pathway

00:53:35.180 and all of a sudden,

00:53:37.640 you're not where you were

00:53:38.740 or what you wanted to be.

00:53:40.980 I mean,

00:53:41.460 yeah,

00:53:41.860 I kind of fall for that as well

00:53:43.620 because I think,

00:53:44.160 you know,

00:53:44.380 most people on social media,

00:53:45.500 it is an addiction.

00:53:46.380 People get very addicted

00:53:47.300 and they fall into it.

00:53:48.820 So people like Dylan,

00:53:50.160 again,

00:53:50.520 started out acting.

00:53:51.980 You know,

00:53:52.220 they were in Broadway

00:53:53.080 and the Book of Mormon show.

00:53:54.960 Started acting

00:53:55.420 and they were desperate

00:53:55.920 to be famous

00:53:56.560 and then they realized,

00:53:57.560 you know,

00:53:57.740 suddenly they put on a wig

00:53:58.960 or whatever

00:53:59.340 and they were getting

00:54:00.140 loads of views,

00:54:00.880 loads of interactions.

00:54:01.800 And, you know,

00:54:02.240 when you come out

00:54:03.260 as trans or whatever,

00:54:04.020 you're called stunning

00:54:04.800 and brave,

00:54:05.280 you get all of this appraisal,

00:54:06.700 which I also got

00:54:07.580 when I announced

00:54:08.380 I was trans.

00:54:08.880 I got so many,

00:54:09.700 all these people

00:54:10.300 that were hating on me

00:54:11.020 suddenly were like,

00:54:11.540 oh, we love you.

00:54:12.140 We accept you.

00:54:13.020 I'm thinking,

00:54:13.540 how ironic.

00:54:14.700 You wouldn't accept me

00:54:15.520 when I was Korean

00:54:16.120 but now suddenly

00:54:16.800 you accept me

00:54:17.480 for, you know,

00:54:18.300 becoming a woman

00:54:19.120 or whatever.

00:54:20.160 So it's just crazy.

00:54:23.580 And what is it like

00:54:24.460 to go through that journey

00:54:25.480 where people were

00:54:27.560 openly mocking you,

00:54:29.040 you were this figure of fun,

00:54:30.860 you then,

00:54:31.500 and you were a viral sensation,

00:54:33.400 to then transitioning

00:54:34.740 where people were saying,

00:54:36.700 you know,

00:54:36.960 this is stunning

00:54:37.880 and brave

00:54:38.360 and blah, blah, blah.

00:54:39.120 and then to go

00:54:40.900 and then to take

00:54:42.520 the third part

00:54:43.500 of your journey

00:54:44.060 which is to go,

00:54:44.840 I've made a mistake.

00:54:46.300 Well, you know,

00:54:46.920 I think it's

00:54:47.880 the best thing to do

00:54:48.960 when you regret something

00:54:49.920 in life

00:54:50.280 is just to accept it

00:54:51.360 and admit it.

00:54:52.360 And, you know,

00:54:52.640 I have apologized

00:54:53.280 for past behaviors,

00:54:54.880 you know,

00:54:55.300 but also, you know,

00:54:56.300 people,

00:54:56.960 they get so carried away online.

00:54:58.200 You know,

00:54:58.380 I do K-pop music,

00:54:59.320 people take offense to me

00:55:00.520 singing Korean songs,

00:55:01.920 doing fun music videos

00:55:03.200 to entertain

00:55:03.780 and make people laugh

00:55:04.700 and they get really

00:55:05.700 caught up in it.

00:55:06.340 I'm thinking,

00:55:06.860 just enjoy the music video,

00:55:08.180 have a laugh.

00:55:08.680 I'm trying to make people smile.

00:55:10.300 You know,

00:55:10.460 when COVID was happening,

00:55:11.500 I was making so many TikToks

00:55:12.740 to make people smile,

00:55:14.300 you know,

00:55:14.580 because we all need

00:55:15.340 more happiness in the world.

00:55:16.400 I'm trying to always

00:55:17.200 project positivity

00:55:18.140 to the world.

00:55:19.040 So when I was having

00:55:19.660 people cancelling me,

00:55:20.960 oh, you're racist,

00:55:21.780 you're doing this.

00:55:22.460 I'm not.

00:55:23.020 I generally feel this way.

00:55:24.080 I felt Korean at the time,

00:55:25.280 but I just want to make people happy.

00:55:26.940 Is there anything wrong with that?

00:55:28.560 No.

00:55:28.920 But what does it mean

00:55:29.780 to feel Korean, Oli?

00:55:31.540 Well, you know,

00:55:32.280 I think a lot of foreigners

00:55:33.380 that live in Korea

00:55:34.120 do feel that way.

00:55:35.060 It's just you are endeared

00:55:36.540 with that particular culture.

00:55:37.660 You love that particular place.

00:55:39.560 You feel at home

00:55:40.880 with those people.

00:55:41.620 So I just felt like

00:55:42.440 I fitted in

00:55:43.180 with that particular group

00:55:44.680 of people,

00:55:45.240 that particular culture.

00:55:46.420 And, you know,

00:55:47.420 I have apologised

00:55:48.380 for my extreme obsession

00:55:51.260 in the past,

00:55:51.800 but at the end of the day,

00:55:52.540 there's no real harm in that.

00:55:54.140 You know,

00:55:54.360 if people assimilate

00:55:55.480 into a certain culture,

00:55:56.960 you know,

00:55:57.080 let's say you lived

00:55:57.800 in Japan for 10 years,

00:55:58.800 you'd feel a part

00:55:59.940 of that culture, right?

00:56:00.620 You'd feel a part

00:56:01.200 of that societal group.

00:56:02.700 You'd probably...

00:56:03.240 Yeah, but you'd never

00:56:03.780 be Japanese, though.

00:56:04.860 And Oli,

00:56:05.400 I'm not having a go at you

00:56:06.760 because, like I said,

00:56:08.780 I have a tremendous amount

00:56:10.000 of respect for you

00:56:11.000 being able to come out

00:56:12.060 and go, you know,

00:56:12.640 I made these mistakes,

00:56:13.580 I regret them,

00:56:14.340 I'm on a different path.

00:56:15.620 And this is the only thing

00:56:17.140 human beings have

00:56:18.180 when we make mistakes

00:56:19.520 as we all do.

00:56:20.440 And some of our mistakes

00:56:21.580 are more extreme than others

00:56:22.700 and some people

00:56:23.500 go further than others.

00:56:24.660 So this isn't in any way

00:56:26.240 having a go at you.

00:56:27.520 Yeah.

00:56:27.760 But I would say that,

00:56:29.040 you know how you were saying,

00:56:30.220 well, if I can be a woman,

00:56:31.580 why can't I be Korean?

00:56:32.960 I suppose the reason

00:56:34.040 it is, in my opinion,

00:56:35.920 still quite dangerous

00:56:37.140 to pretend that somebody

00:56:38.280 can be Korean.

00:56:39.040 Like, look,

00:56:39.460 I was born in Russia, right?

00:56:41.440 I came to this country.

00:56:43.140 I'm a British national,

00:56:44.500 but I would never say

00:56:45.700 that I'm English.

00:56:46.800 Correct.

00:56:48.640 It sounds good in his accent.

00:56:50.180 Correct.

00:56:51.120 Yeah.

00:56:51.260 Yeah.

00:56:51.340 But do you see

00:56:53.860 what I'm saying, right?

00:56:54.640 So the reason I bring this up

00:56:56.600 and the reason I do think

00:56:57.740 it's actually harmful

00:56:59.980 is if you say,

00:57:02.360 well, why can't I be Korean?

00:57:04.320 Fair enough.

00:57:04.820 Let's say, fair enough

00:57:05.960 for the sake of argument.

00:57:07.180 Someone else go,

00:57:07.760 well, if I can be Korean,

00:57:09.400 why can't I be a different age

00:57:11.260 or a different sex?

00:57:12.420 And it's a never-ending cycle

00:57:14.620 of essentially lies, right?

00:57:16.920 We are lying to ourselves

00:57:18.220 because the truth is

00:57:20.020 when, you know,

00:57:21.780 I am someone

00:57:22.780 who came to this country

00:57:23.640 from another country

00:57:24.420 and you came to Korea

00:57:25.520 from another country.

00:57:26.340 So we're quite similar

00:57:27.100 in that way.

00:57:28.060 But no matter

00:57:29.020 how much surgery I do,

00:57:30.480 I don't think I'm ever

00:57:31.340 going to be English.

00:57:32.260 Right.

00:57:32.680 Right.

00:57:33.500 And likewise,

00:57:34.460 I don't think

00:57:35.080 you could be like someone

00:57:36.840 who's in love

00:57:37.600 with Korean culture

00:57:38.660 and fully embedded in it,

00:57:40.860 a foreigner

00:57:41.420 who's really made themselves

00:57:43.040 part of that world.

00:57:44.600 And I think

00:57:45.320 that's something Koreans

00:57:46.360 probably really like,

00:57:47.440 a foreigner coming in

00:57:48.400 really respecting that culture.

00:57:49.660 but I think

00:57:51.400 we should also

00:57:52.160 not pretend,

00:57:53.440 if you don't mind me saying,

00:57:55.120 that you actually

00:57:56.100 are able to become

00:57:57.400 a different ethnicity

00:57:58.240 because it's not true.

00:57:59.860 Would you agree?

00:58:00.700 You know,

00:58:00.960 I've got to that point now

00:58:01.940 where I've accepted

00:58:02.660 who I am,

00:58:03.300 I've accepted my identity

00:58:04.380 and I've kind of moved on

00:58:05.820 from that past obsession

00:58:07.200 I had.

00:58:08.120 But again,

00:58:08.800 I was going on

00:58:10.100 what I'd been taught

00:58:11.340 that, you know,

00:58:11.920 if you can have

00:58:12.760 500 pronouns,

00:58:14.380 I'm just going to be Korean.

00:58:15.220 Why not?

00:58:15.780 You know,

00:58:16.120 I've just thought,

00:58:16.740 why not?

00:58:17.160 That's why I'm saying

00:58:17.980 it's maybe not...

00:58:19.620 I've realized now

00:58:20.520 that, you know,

00:58:21.060 that was not healthy

00:58:22.200 and it was not natural

00:58:23.520 and you can't just

00:58:24.360 suddenly do that

00:58:24.960 because again,

00:58:25.380 you said people

00:58:25.960 can identify

00:58:27.000 as a different age

00:58:27.740 and that's a very

00:58:28.740 dangerous thing.

00:58:30.000 But again,

00:58:31.040 when you have the culture

00:58:32.180 that says

00:58:32.820 you can be trans,

00:58:33.860 you can change gender,

00:58:35.180 no,

00:58:35.380 I just thought,

00:58:35.940 why not?

00:58:36.360 You know,

00:58:36.500 I love this country.

00:58:37.640 No,

00:58:37.960 I'm not having to go

00:58:38.840 with you for the past.

00:58:40.040 It's just you were talking now

00:58:41.280 as if...

00:58:42.180 And this is why I think,

00:58:43.540 if you don't mind me saying,

00:58:45.400 I think it's your responsibility now

00:58:47.480 to kind of go,

00:58:48.160 well,

00:58:48.260 you can't change your ethnicity.

00:58:49.700 Yeah,

00:58:49.880 I've realized that now.

00:58:50.840 Do you know what I'm saying?

00:58:51.440 At the time,

00:58:52.040 obviously,

00:58:52.380 because I was struggling with...

00:58:53.460 Yeah,

00:58:53.660 yeah,

00:58:53.800 no,

00:58:53.980 I get it.

00:58:54.460 Yeah.

00:58:54.800 But I think now,

00:58:56.160 you're an adult,

00:58:58.680 you're allowed to do

00:58:59.560 what I want to do.

00:59:00.120 I'm just saying,

00:59:01.480 from my perspective,

00:59:02.840 as I sit here talking to you,

00:59:04.380 I think it actually

00:59:05.440 would be a good thing

00:59:06.500 for you to go,

00:59:07.860 you can't change your ethnicity,

00:59:09.620 no matter how much surgery you do.

00:59:11.360 From a response...

00:59:12.220 Yeah,

00:59:12.580 I mean,

00:59:13.620 I'm trying to be more responsible now.

00:59:15.020 I'm trying to speak out on things

00:59:16.400 and, you know,

00:59:17.340 that,

00:59:17.780 like you said,

00:59:18.460 I agree with what you're saying

00:59:19.480 and I do take responsibility

00:59:20.800 for my past actions

00:59:22.120 and I'm trying to learn from that

00:59:23.640 and grow and...

00:59:24.480 And that's in the spirit

00:59:25.300 in which I offer that bit,

00:59:26.640 which is,

00:59:27.100 I know that you're

00:59:28.840 in a totally different journey,

00:59:30.400 which is why you're here,

00:59:31.540 which is why I said

00:59:32.540 I have a lot of respect for you.

00:59:34.020 I just think

00:59:34.740 you have to have clarity

00:59:36.200 with people listening

00:59:37.260 and watching

00:59:37.760 about,

00:59:38.860 like,

00:59:39.160 you went through

00:59:39.680 what you went through

00:59:40.300 and you did it

00:59:40.900 for reasons

00:59:41.580 that seemed correct to you

00:59:42.400 at the time.

00:59:43.280 But I think

00:59:43.980 this is where

00:59:44.500 someone like Posey Parker

00:59:45.600 has changed my mind

00:59:46.780 quite a bit,

00:59:47.320 where it's like,

00:59:47.980 you've got to be honest.

00:59:49.240 Yeah.

00:59:49.400 You've got to be true

00:59:50.360 and go to wherever

00:59:52.300 that honesty takes you.

00:59:54.020 And I think in your case,

00:59:55.340 from my perspective,

00:59:57.240 it takes you to,

00:59:58.380 you can't change a sex

00:59:59.640 and you can't change

01:00:00.720 your ethnicity,

01:00:01.500 even though I thought

01:00:02.680 I could

01:00:03.140 and I did it

01:00:03.740 for my reasons.

01:00:04.320 And I did think

01:00:04.880 I could at the time

01:00:05.620 because, again,

01:00:06.520 everyone else can do

01:00:07.460 whatever they want.

01:00:08.040 So I think we need

01:00:08.800 to more challenge

01:00:09.500 what's going on

01:00:10.180 in society now

01:00:11.040 and, you know,

01:00:11.960 stop all this craziness,

01:00:13.460 you know,

01:00:13.620 stop all this self-identification

01:00:15.040 of men going into

01:00:15.700 women's toilets

01:00:16.140 and just, you know,

01:00:17.280 just try and accept

01:00:18.160 who we are,

01:00:18.800 the way we're born.

01:00:19.460 That's what the focus

01:00:20.420 should be now.

01:00:21.120 So that's the message

01:00:22.220 I want to project

01:00:22.940 is, you know,

01:00:23.280 just be happy

01:00:23.920 the way you were born.

01:00:25.260 And, you know,

01:00:25.600 I get some people

01:00:26.420 will still be unhappy,

01:00:27.620 they still want to do surgeries,

01:00:28.800 but, you know,

01:00:29.380 maybe don't do anything crazy

01:00:30.480 like I did.

01:00:31.120 Maybe don't go to the extreme

01:00:32.180 and just try and learn

01:00:33.140 to love yourself

01:00:33.900 because at the end of the day,

01:00:35.260 it doesn't matter

01:00:35.700 what we look like

01:00:36.360 on the outside,

01:00:36.940 it's what's inside

01:00:37.720 that really matters.

01:00:39.180 Oli,

01:00:39.800 when I listen to your journey

01:00:42.240 and when we're talking,

01:00:43.260 it seems to me

01:00:44.000 that what this is all about

01:00:45.140 really is acceptance.

01:00:46.700 You just wanted

01:00:47.340 to be accepted.

01:00:48.320 Right.

01:00:48.680 Was that really

01:00:49.500 at the heart

01:00:49.980 of all of this?

01:00:50.660 Yeah,

01:00:50.980 that's really why,

01:00:52.520 you know,

01:00:52.760 I never felt accepted

01:00:53.700 into society.

01:00:54.400 I always felt very different

01:00:55.540 and ostracized.

01:00:56.800 So that's why,

01:00:57.580 again,

01:00:57.780 when I was in Korea,

01:00:58.780 that was the first time

01:00:59.680 in my life

01:01:00.080 where I actually felt

01:01:00.820 accepted and loved

01:01:01.800 and, you know,

01:01:02.440 welcomed.

01:01:03.160 And I never felt

01:01:04.120 like that before.

01:01:05.280 Why is that?

01:01:06.120 Why was that, Oli?

01:01:07.120 I don't know.

01:01:07.580 I guess because I was

01:01:08.340 always different

01:01:08.860 to other people.

01:01:09.700 Like I was always

01:01:10.340 very kind of,

01:01:11.320 at school,

01:01:11.680 I was always very quiet,

01:01:12.620 again,

01:01:12.840 because I was bullied

01:01:13.380 and stuff.

01:01:13.720 I was very quiet.

01:01:14.500 I was very unique

01:01:15.820 and weird to some people.

01:01:17.300 You know,

01:01:17.400 I didn't fit in

01:01:18.160 with the trending people

01:01:19.560 or the cool kids

01:01:20.320 at school and stuff.

01:01:21.280 So I just never fitted in.

01:01:22.980 I was always a bit

01:01:23.520 of an outcast.

01:01:24.240 I was always a different thinker.

01:01:25.860 So I feel that's why

01:01:26.740 I felt kind of,

01:01:27.740 you know,

01:01:28.260 that I wasn't accepted.

01:01:29.540 So that's why I thought,

01:01:30.600 you know,

01:01:31.260 becoming Korean or whatever,

01:01:32.660 having the surgery

01:01:33.440 would make me feel accepted

01:01:34.840 and actually

01:01:35.420 it had the opposite effect.

01:01:36.640 I started getting,

01:01:37.280 you know,

01:01:37.600 horrible hate online

01:01:38.720 and stuff.

01:01:39.320 And, you know,

01:01:40.480 I just,

01:01:40.880 I've never wanted to be hated.

01:01:41.760 I just want people

01:01:42.540 to accept me

01:01:43.420 for who I am.

01:01:44.640 And thankfully,

01:01:45.360 I've accepted myself now,

01:01:46.780 which is part of the journey.

01:01:48.320 And I hope other people

01:01:49.140 can accept,

01:01:49.720 you know,

01:01:50.080 the real me

01:01:50.720 that I've finally found.

01:01:52.520 Well, look,

01:01:53.200 it's been great having you on

01:01:54.500 on that happy note.

01:01:55.560 We've got,

01:01:56.120 as you know,

01:01:56.500 a couple of questions

01:01:57.340 for our local supporters.

01:01:58.880 But as always,

01:01:59.920 we've got one final question

01:02:01.260 which we ask all our guests,

01:02:02.520 which is,

01:02:03.000 what is the one thing

01:02:03.700 we're not talking about

01:02:04.560 as a society

01:02:05.340 that you think we should be?

01:02:07.300 I mean,

01:02:07.980 we've touched on these subjects today,

01:02:09.480 but again,

01:02:10.100 child exploitation

01:02:10.960 because there are a lot of people

01:02:11.920 that either turn a blind eye

01:02:13.340 or don't see

01:02:13.960 what's really going on.

01:02:15.380 So I think we need,

01:02:16.820 as a society,

01:02:17.680 collectively,

01:02:18.040 everybody to speak up.

01:02:19.600 You know,

01:02:20.060 it shouldn't be a conservative

01:02:21.240 or Democrat issue.

01:02:22.320 It should be everyone,

01:02:23.560 you know,

01:02:24.060 speaking up for the protection

01:02:25.240 of children.

01:02:26.000 So we can't allow

01:02:27.220 this constant indoctrination

01:02:28.700 with fashion brands,

01:02:30.300 with Hollywood movies,

01:02:31.620 with,

01:02:31.920 you know,

01:02:32.540 the mainstream media

01:02:33.620 allowing this narrative.

01:02:34.760 So we all need to speak up

01:02:36.100 and protect kids

01:02:36.940 and,

01:02:37.520 you know,

01:02:38.080 and call out these things.

01:02:39.300 Like you said on Twitter,

01:02:40.960 the word grooming

01:02:41.860 is being used again

01:02:43.060 and,

01:02:43.320 you know,

01:02:43.480 rightly so,

01:02:44.040 we should be able

01:02:44.560 to call out these people

01:02:45.520 and,

01:02:45.820 you know,

01:02:46.580 protect kids.

01:02:47.240 That should be

01:02:47.580 the number one priority.

01:02:48.860 I think everyone

01:02:49.720 can get behind that.

01:02:50.700 Most people.

01:02:51.660 Yeah.

01:02:51.900 Yeah.

01:02:52.660 Not Balenciaga.

01:02:55.120 And before we go

01:02:56.220 to our locals' questions,

01:02:57.360 if people want to find you

01:02:58.260 online,

01:02:58.720 Oli,

01:02:58.920 where is the best place

01:03:00.120 to do that?

01:03:00.560 So Twitter is

01:03:01.440 OliLondonTV,

01:03:02.440 Instagram is LondonOli,

01:03:03.920 TikTok at OliLondon,

01:03:06.340 I can't think of what,

01:03:07.040 YouTube channel.

01:03:08.120 YouTube,

01:03:08.660 OliLondon,

01:03:09.300 so yeah,

01:03:09.680 it's kind of mostly

01:03:10.280 OliLondon on most things.

01:03:11.540 All right,

01:03:11.840 Oli,

01:03:12.080 thanks so much for coming on

01:03:13.260 and talking to us.

01:03:14.360 Appreciate it.

01:03:14.660 And thank you guys

01:03:15.480 for watching and listening.

01:03:16.880 We will see you very soon

01:03:18.000 with another brilliant episode

01:03:19.160 like this one

01:03:19.900 or Raw Show.

01:03:21.360 All of them go out

01:03:22.060 at 7pm UK time.

01:03:23.220 And for those of you

01:03:23.840 who like your trigonometry

01:03:24.780 on the go,

01:03:26.120 it's also available

01:03:26.780 as a podcast.

01:03:28.160 Take care

01:03:28.680 and see you soon,

01:03:29.680 guys.

01:03:31.440 Were there any

01:03:32.320 medical professionals

01:03:33.360 along the way

01:03:34.220 who suggested

01:03:35.080 you shouldn't get

01:03:36.000 these surgeries,

01:03:36.900 who explicitly said

01:03:37.940 to you,

01:03:38.220 don't do this?

TRIGGERnometry - December 22, 2022

＂$250,000 on Surgery to Become Korean. I Regret It＂ - Oli London

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