＂$250,000 on Surgery to Become Korean. I Regret It＂ - Oli London
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Summary
In this episode of Trigonometry, we speak with online personality Oli London, best known for transitioning to being Korean, and then de-transitioning back to being a woman. In this episode, Oli shares her story of coming out publicly as transgender, and how that led her to a new life as a K-pop singer in South Korea.
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I didn't get it because I was thinking, you know, if someone can change their gender,
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which for many women can be very offensive, you know, why can't I say I'm Korean?
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I've got to a point now where I realized that wasn't making me happy.
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It was an addiction. I've thankfully beat that addiction.
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I think you're actually incredibly brave because you did all this in public
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and then within a very short period of time said, actually, no, this is wrong.
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Interestingly enough, in Korea and China, a lot of people have surgery to emulate Caucasian features,
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so a higher nose bridge, double eyelid surgery.
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So I don't understand why people, you know, have an issue with me having these surgeries to look Korean
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when everyone in Korea is trying to look, you know, westernized.
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When you just give a kid a phone and they have unlimited access to the internet,
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And if they're seeing that from age three till they're a teenager, you know, that's 10 years of indoctrination.
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We should support all people, but, you know, kids shouldn't be, you know,
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forced or pressurized to do this from kindergarten.
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I wanted to cut it off completely to transition to become a woman.
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And is that one of the points where you went, uh, okay, maybe this is starting to get a bit far?
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Yeah, I was thinking, you know, that's something I could regret.
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There's a balance that needs to be struck between the rights of the individual
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and also as well realizing that this is a mental illness.
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And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.
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Our guest today is an online personality who's best known for transitioning to being Korean
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People who won't know your story might be quite shocked by what I just said.
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for anyone who doesn't know who you are, didn't follow your story,
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What has been the journey through life that leads you to be sitting here talking to us?
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By the way, our first in-person recording in the studio.
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Wow, I feel so blessed to be the first person and beautiful studio, by the way, guys.
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And for those people out there that don't know me, I'm a social media personality.
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Some of it's in English, some of it's in Korean.
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And a lot of people know me for my extreme obsession with Korea,
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I used to live in South Korea for a year and I became infatuated with a specific K-pop star called Jimin.
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And then I got to a point where I was, you know, kind of getting addicted to the surgery.
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Everyone else can make their own pronouns and genders and identities these days.
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And, you know, I've kind of grown from that and trying to learn.
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And, you know, now I'm trying to just be myself.
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Well, it's a little bit more complicated than that, isn't it?
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Because, I mean, you spent a shit ton of money.
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Like, there's surgeries that I could probably need to do that aren't cosmetic.
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You had a lot of them in a short period of time.
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You spent, according to some people, like a quarter of a million dollars doing it.
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And also, as you say, you pissed off a lot of people, particularly Korean people, who were like, well, you can't just transition to being Korean.
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You know, you can't just, like, be another ethnicity, nationality.
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It started out, I was living in Korea for a year.
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And then slowly over time, I just became really in love with Korean culture.
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For the first time in my life, when I lived there, I felt like I belonged somewhere.
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Because foreigners that live in Korea, they all get the surgery.
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And if anyone that's lived in Korea, they fall for this.
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So, you know, the Koreans actually didn't really get pissed off at me.
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They were actually, even to this day, they're very grateful that I'm always promoting their culture.
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But really, it was kind of more of the woke culture that took offense to me, you know.
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Because they're the same people that preach about acceptance.
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About anyone can identify however they feel inside.
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And, you know, I generally had an affinity with Korea.
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Pronouns that I use are they, them, she, her, and clown, clown, self.
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And Clown mentioned not having people use clown or clown, self, pronouns for clown.
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And so, in this situation, I would make sure that I exclusively use clown pronouns to talk about Cypress.
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So, Cypress knows that I see clown self for who clown is.
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And I want clown to be hearing those pronouns more than the other ones out of my mouth.
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So, like, I thought if someone can identify as a clown, you know, why can't I identify as Korean?
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But I didn't get it because I was thinking, you know, if someone can change their gender, which for many women can be very offensive, you know, why can't I say I'm Korean?
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And I'm showing my love for a particular culture.
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What was it about Korea that made you fall in love with their culture?
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It's just the whole culture as a whole, the history.
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It's a beautiful country, rich in kind of history.
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But, yeah, really the people I fell in love with, the way they looked, but also the way they behaved and the way they acted.
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And, yeah, I did, you know, I was always unhappy with my looks.
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Why can't I look like a pop star like Jimin to feel happier inside?
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And I've got to a point now where I realized that wasn't making me happy.
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And, you know, I'm the happiest I've ever been.
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So, when I was a teen at school, I was bullied, like, all the time, every day.
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I would try and make myself sick so I didn't have to go to school.
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You know, people would say I had a really big nose.
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I used to have very bad acne and very bad skin.
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So, that really led me to have severe self-confidence issues, you know, self-esteem issues.
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So, when I had an opportunity in Korea to have surgery, you know, there were surgeries
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I was like, you know, maybe I can actually be happy.
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You know, maybe people can look at me and think, oh, he looks handsome or he looks nice.
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Because is it right to almost frame this as an addiction to plastic surgery that you had?
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Thankfully, I'm pretty much over that addiction.
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I'm kind of just trying to be content with who I am.
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You know, I don't have much movement in my face.
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But, you know, is it any wonder people get these addictions with things like social media
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So, is it any wonder people fall for this addiction?
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Yeah, well, you know, I should say a couple of things first.
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The first thing I should say is that I think you're actually incredibly brave because you
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did all this in public and then within a very short period of time said, actually, no, this
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And you're now speaking out about transitioning and all of this other stuff that we'll go on
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So, while, you know, I'll be honest with you, five months or six months or wherever
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it was ago when the story first came up in the news, you know, Francis and I do this
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satirical comedy show three nights a week called Raw.
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And this guy from, like, London decided to be Korean.
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We were taking the piss because it's kind of, it's a crazy story.
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But I actually think that, you know, you should know that when Francis and I are asking you
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about this, I think your story is probably wackier than most in terms of the type of
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But it's actually quite emblematic, I think, of what a lot of people are potentially being
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exposed to because you talk about being bullied.
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You know, when I was a teenager, there were kids around me who would have been bullied
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But none of them, none of them decided at that time that they needed to transition and
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be something else because it just wasn't available.
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Where did you get the idea that the answer to your problems would be to change yourself
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You are inundated with billboards absolutely everywhere.
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When there's more plastic surgeries than there are supermarkets in Korea, it's literally
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The district in Gangnam, which is kind of the plastic surgery capital of the world, there's
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probably about a thousand clinics within a square mile.
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So it's basically, it was kind of put in your face everywhere.
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You know, plastic surgery is a booming business.
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And interestingly enough, in Korea and China, a lot of people have surgery to emulate Caucasian
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So a higher nose bridge, double eyelid surgery.
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But what I've been doing is kind of the reverse of what's been going on in Asia.
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So I don't understand why people, you know, have an issue with me having these surgeries
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to look Korean when everyone in Korea is trying to look, you know, westernized.
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That's such a good point, because obviously they do do that.
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The thing that I worry about, maybe I'm getting old now, but I just think...
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But where's the duty of care for the surgeons and their clients?
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How do they discern that this is an operation that is needed and is merited?
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And how do they discern that, you know, this person is ill?
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Maybe you are not doing the right thing by your patient.
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So a credible doctor would actually have a psychologist on hand.
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So with a good doctor, you would have a psychology appointment before the surgery,
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a consultation, which would be about an hour long,
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and it would go really in depth to your family history,
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any issues with like substance abuse, any issues with body dysmorphia.
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Now, I've had surgery, I think about six or seven countries.
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So I kind of go around the world because, you know, the UK, the doctors are quite strict,
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and they weren't really telling me what I wanted to hear.
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Like, some doctors wouldn't perform a nose surgery on me because I'd already had my nose done,
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And, you know, I wanted kind of an unusual look, and they wouldn't give that.
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So, you know, I found a way to find somewhere that would do it.
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And, you know, I think young people, if they really want to do something, they do find a way.
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And, you know, I have found in the past doctors via Instagram.
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Like, I had a gynecomastia, which was removing all the fat from my chest.
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And I had these tubes inside my body to drain the blood.
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And without warning, I didn't even know they were there, to be honest.
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So, you know, I'd gone to that country because I couldn't find a doctor here that would do what I wanted.
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Young people will find a way to get these surgeries.
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So I would say, from experience, you know, for young people, they're really, really sure about something.
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You know, if a girl wants to get breasts as a woman or someone wants to change a nose,
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if it's really been on their mind, go to a good doctor.
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You know, don't kind of skip things and go to, like, a doctor that will just say yes to everything
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And so moving through, you've had these different surgeries to make you look more Korean.
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And then when do you go, you know what, I'm not sure I should have done this.
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Well, actually, it kind of developed because I got to a point, I had more surgery last year.
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I think I went under the knife three times last year.
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And that's when I said, you know, I feel Korean.
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If everyone else can identify in different ways.
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And then earlier this year, I actually underwent 11 surgeries in one day.
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And, you know, I'm very happy with the results now.
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And I thought maybe I'm trapped in the wrong body.
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But, you know, I became trans for a while because my whole life, you know, I was always a bit more feminine.
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And I generally thought, you know, if society is saying, oh, it's normal to transition and stuff, I kind of fell for that.
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And I was like, okay, maybe I'm meant to be a woman.
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You say society is saying it's normal to transition.
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Because we all live in our own bubbles now, don't we?
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Like, the bubble that I live in, I don't think that is the common thread, you know what I mean?
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So when you say society says it's normal to transition, what do you mean?
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So basically, if you go online on any social media platform or indeed in the school system in America,
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kids are being taught from a young age that transitioning, you know, you can do it as a kid.
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Obviously, I'm an adult, so I transitioned as an adult.
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But, you know, when you've got everyone around the world, educators, people on social media, celebrities, you know,
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normalizing this and saying it's easy as one, two, three.
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I was actually going to go do body surgery as well.
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But when you have that constantly pushed, particularly online, I spent all my time online on social media and stuff.
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And also transitioning, you know, if you're feeling lost, if you're feeling confused with your gender,
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So I thought that I was trapped in the wrong body.
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So I thought, you know, maybe the Korean thing is not right.
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Maybe it's actually the fact that I'm in the wrong gender.
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I had, I mean, my forehead bones are shaved down.
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And, you know, I love the results now because it looks nicer than I was.
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But at the same time, I just feel like I could have done more to myself.
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I was going to go to Thailand and do the body surgery.
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And I would have also been left with deep regret for the rest of my life.
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So, you know, I just think my message is, you know, not to stop people doing these things.
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People want to do it if that's what they really believe, do it.
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But just, you know, educate yourself on the risks.
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You know, don't do something because it's trending or because people on social media are saying,
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You know, for kids in America, when they're being told by influencers or schools that,
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you know, at age 12, take puberty blockers, we can give you a double mastectomy.
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When it comes across as it's easy and they don't realize, you know, there's a lifelong consequence.
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These kids will be on medication for their whole life.
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So that's the reason, you know, I'm trying to share to try and help people.
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So people are being, children are being misinformed.
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So come back to the story because I interrupted you.
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I just felt that that was an important point to flesh out.
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But you have all these surgeries and you thought you were trans for a while after thinking you're.
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And when do you go actually, you know what, maybe I'm neither.
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Well, it was again, it was about four months ago.
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I was thinking, OK, I became Korean, I became trans, had all this surgery.
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Now I'm thinking about doing more surgery, irreversible surgery that I really can't change.
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You know, I look in the mirror every day and I'd have the surgery.
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It's weird because when I have a swollen face, I actually feel beautiful.
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And then after that wears off, I kind of feel like, oh, I look too normal.
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And so it got to a stage where I'm thinking, OK, am I crazy?
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You know, I was losing relationships with friends, family.
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You know, everyone was moving away from me because they were so upset with what I was doing.
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And obviously people online were upset with me and stuff.
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So I actually was lost and I was thinking I need direction in my life.
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I used to go as a kid, I was actually raised atheist, but I used to go as a kid at a Church
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Let me sit calmly at the back and think and reflect on my life.
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And then I started going to church more, started reading the Bible, just the teachings
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And I realized, you know, it's like, just be, you know, be the way you were born.
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Because at the end of the day, it's not fulfilling me.
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It was like, you know, I actually regretted what I was doing online on TikTok and stuff
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because maybe I was persuading people to have surgeries or maybe I was persuading people
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And I felt, you know, actually, I have a moral responsibility with, you know, I've got 2 million followers
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I have a responsibility for these kids, these people that look up to me.
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So that's why I've kind of been trying to do some activism to try and spread love and
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And just to try and, you know, spread a better message rather than, you know, getting surgery
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You know, it's, I just felt bad for what I was doing.
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Broadway's smash hit, The Neil Diamond Musical, A Beautiful Noise, is coming to Toronto.
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The true story of a kid from Brooklyn destined for something more, featuring all the songs
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you love, including America, Forever in Blue Jeans, and Sweet Caroline.
00:21:17.600
Like Jersey Boys and Beautiful, the next musical mega hit is here.
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Did nobody at any point sit you down and go, Oli, I really think you need to talk to
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Like my family friends, I stopped talking to a lot of my family for, you know, multiple
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times for like weeks, the time after surgeries.
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And I would never inform people I was having a surgery.
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I would just go and do it and post it online or, you know, whatever.
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And because I thought, you know, I don't want to message individual people and say, oh, by
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And that was actually very irresponsible of me.
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I put people through a lot of pain and suffering.
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And, you know, a lot of people tried to stop me.
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I should start listening to people and taking people's advice.
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But at the time, it was like I was so headstrong.
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And then I was thinking, OK, I want to be trans.
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But like I go through trends, like I go through phases.
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And, you know, young people are going through phases now where they have gender dysphoria.
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And, you know, as a teen, it's a very confusing time.
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But we shouldn't have as a society be telling kids, you know, go transition, go get a surgery
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You know, I believe if people want to transition, do it as an adult.
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But I just don't think we should be pushing a narrative on kids and minors when it's not
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We need to give them love and comfort and support.
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But we shouldn't be encouraging, you know, doing things to themselves.
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Do you think that you had gender dysphoria, Oli, when you were thinking about transitioning?
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So I definitely have gender dysphoria and probably an identity crisis of some sort, because I've
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So yeah, I definitely think gender dysphoria and just very low self-esteem and body dysmorphia.
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And it's become increasingly common to have these things in the US, medically diagnosed
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as around 270,000 teens that are medically diagnosed with gender dysphoria.
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In terms of kids identifying as trans or non-binary, that has doubled since 2016, according to research
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So it's like it's, there's studies being done on this.
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So there's basically a real increase in the last couple of years in people identifying in
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We look up to people like Kim Kardashian, you know, and, you know, some people love her,
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But at the end of the day, so many people look up to her.
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You know, is she sending the right message to kids?
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But I feel with the kind of social media's rise, like TikTok and stuff, people are developing
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these, you know, gender dysphorias and body dysmorphia based on this.
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It's weird because you said, well, I'm a little crazy, but, you know, we've spent some
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I think some of the stuff you've done is crazy.
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But I don't get the sense that you're crazy at all.
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You seem actually like a pretty grounded, sensible, normal person to me, which I think
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is kind of part of why to a lot of people this is such a concern because someone who,
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okay, low self-esteem, okay, you had bad experiences at school.
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A lot of children throughout the entire history of the human race will have experienced both
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of those as teenagers and going into adulthood.
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And sometimes, you know, sometimes it takes an entire life to work out who are you?
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What are you supposed to be doing with your life?
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But now we have such powerful technology, both in terms of the surgeries, but also in
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terms of the social media, the spreading of the message that if there's something wrong
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with, if you feel something is slightly not quite right with you, here's a whole range
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And I think that's where a lot of people's concerns comes in because it's almost like
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You have no idea what's going to end up happening.
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I mean, your point is like thousands of years, you know, it's normal for a teen or kid to
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question themselves, to question their identity, to feel, you know, left out, to want to fit
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So, you know, if people watching this, when they're a teen, you do try to fit into the
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So if the current cool kids are trans or non-binary, you also want to be like them because you want
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So it's a kind of, there's a lot of psychological elements to it, but again, with kids having
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access to phones from a very young age, I mean, you know, kids four or five, they have
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phones, they have TikTok, which is very risky because, you know, the parents can't monitor
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It's better for them to be reading books, doing sports, you know, doing art, going to
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When you just give a kid a phone and they have unlimited access to the internet, what are they
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And if they're seeing that from age three till they're a teenager, you know, that's
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And that's also a risk with things like TikTok is, you know, the algorithm, it's obviously
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TikTok is owned by a Chinese company and there are risks with that as well because the algorithms
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promote certain views, you know, politically, culturally, socially.
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And over time, this can shape children's opinions on things.
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So, you know, if you're getting constantly on an algorithm, someone that is telling kids
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to transition, like Dylan Mulvaney, the influencer, you know, kids are going to want to do that
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And I think kids, I'm sorry, parents should pay better attention to what their kids are
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doing and maybe, you know, limit their access, you know, let them go on YouTube, let them
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watch, you know, cartoons or videos or whatever.
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But, you know, just be careful, you know, I don't think a kid should have TikTok or Instagram,
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I mean, of course, with teens, they all want to do it.
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But when you're a kid, you shouldn't really be using those platforms because there's a
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Because I can't imagine too many kids are on Facebook.
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I mean, you do get kids on Twitter, like there's a lot of K-pop fans on Twitter and
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And, you know, Twitter can be quite a toxic place.
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So it's not really the best place for a kid with all the views expressed on there.
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You've got the 15 second videos, people constantly scroll through.
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And I spend hours sometimes, you know, at night just lying in bed, just scrolling through
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And there are some people that describe it as a digital fentanyl because it gets you hooked.
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You know, from first use, you're hooked and then you're constantly on it all day.
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And, you know, whatever videos they're seeing, you know, it's not right for a kid to be on
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the phone all day when they should be doing other things.
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And again, the risk is certain views can be promoted on there, which is, you know, what
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There's lots of dance videos, there's lots of cute videos, but there are videos that kids
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They do a lot of things that they don't show alcohol.
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So I will give them credit for they do protect children.
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And I believe you have to be 13 to be on the app.
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So they do take some kind of responsibility with that.
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If they want to go on something, they'll find a way, like a VPN or something.
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And you said something just earlier on in that point, which I found quite shocking.
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So in like, particularly in America in schools, being trans or non-binary is considered cool
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And if you're not in one of these groups, you're not cool.
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It's like if you're a male or a female, you're not cool anymore.
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So it's like it has become a trend in some schools where, you know, if you're not part
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of the trans or non-binary group, you are then an outcast and, you know, you feel left
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And I feel that's one of the reasons why kids are feeling the pressure to, you know, be
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non-gender conforming, you know, have different pronouns or whatever, just to try and fit in
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Because this has been a complete about term because when I went to school, I mean, it was
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I'm sure people will say that it is, but, you know, the worst thing you could be was
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to stand out in any way, particularly if you were gay or bisexual, that the abuse that you
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And now to see it completely go the other way, it's shocking in a way.
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Well, yeah, I'm obviously, you know, I'm happy I support all people.
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So I'm happy that people that identify different ways can be accepted now.
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And, you know, 40 years ago, it was very hard for a trans person to be trans.
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So I'm glad they're able to live how they want now.
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But the issue is, you know, like you said, years ago, it was not as common.
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And there were generally people that were trans and they would have to go for a lot of
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You can just self-identify and go into a woman's toilet, you know.
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And there are cases where men just put on a dress, they go in a woman's toilet and assault
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There was in Virginia and America in Loudoun County, a boy wearing a skirt went into the women's
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You know, we have to understand these kids are going through, you know, their teen years.
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But, you know, kids shouldn't be, you know, forced or pressurized to do this from kindergarten.
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Oli, we've explored this issue with a lot of people.
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And I can see that your approach, understandably, is to have compassion for people who feel that,
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you know, they need to transition or that they have gender dysphoria and all sorts of things.
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But on the other hand, some people would say, well, I mean, the question I want to ask you,
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Or do you think it's possible to change your ethnicity in the way that you attempted to do?
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Well, you know, when I announced I was Korean, I thought, you know, one of the reasons I thought
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that was okay was because people are changing their gender all the time.
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So what's the difference between changing your gender or saying that I'm from Korea?
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No, on the contrary, what I was doing was kind of almost made more sense.
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I accept people want to live certain ways and that's fine.
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But also we have to look at, you know, there is biology.
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You know, there are, if you're born a certain way, you know, some people change over time.
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But sorry, what I'm getting at is, and you mentioned biology.
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If you did, no matter how many surgeries you did, if you did a DNA test, none of them would
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And likewise with sex, it would be the same process.
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So, and this is where a lot of the feminists, you mentioned women who are concerned about
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Their argument would be that, yes, have compassion for people with gender dysphoria or body image
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issues or whatever it is that people are going through and get them the psychological
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But there will be very few people actually, particularly if it's become a trend, as you
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And if we pretend, as you said yourself, as a society, that you can change your sex or your
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gender or whatever, you can change your ethnicity, then of course, children and sometimes adults
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Well, if you can change it, why can't you change it?
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So, do you believe that it's possible to change your sex or it's possible to change
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your ethnicity with surgery and hormones and whatever?
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I mean, I don't believe it's possible to change biology.
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You're having plastic surgery to look like a woman.
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You're having plastic surgery to look like a man.
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So again, if they took a, you know, a gender test, it would show their biological gender.
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But I took a test that would show us, you know, British.
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British. So, you know, there's no real difference there.
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And, you know, again, people want to look a certain way.
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But don't impose on other people because that's the issue.
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And there are, again, generally people that are trans out there, but their voices are silenced
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by these kind of people, these trans activists that have hijacked their movement.
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And it's actually made it harder for them to be trans, you know, because they're getting
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hate online and stuff because people, these trans activists have caused so many problems
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for women. They've caused so many problems for kids.
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And it's very offensive to women what some of these activists are doing.
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You know, they're trying to silence the word women.
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Cambridge Dictionary just updated their official definition of man and woman yesterday.
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And it no longer says that it's the biology you're born with.
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And you can live your life that way, which, again, is what I was doing.
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Someone will have plastic surgery like a woman.
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Oli, there's a balance that needs to be struck between the rights of the individual
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and also as well realizing that this is a mental illness.
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Because, and look, I read online, correct me if this is wrong.
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You said that you wanted to cut or take a, reduce the size of your penis.
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Because in Korea, they have smaller size penises.
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So basically, I was, I was going to transition.
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So I was going to go to Thailand and cut it off, you know, to look like a Korean woman.
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I did some interview in Newsweek and they misquoted it.
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I wanted to cut it off completely to transition to become a woman.
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And is that one of the points where you went, okay, maybe this is starting to get a bit far.
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Yeah, I was thinking, you know, that's something I could regret.
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So, yeah, that was, again, because I was suffering from gender dysphoria.
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And, you know, plain and simple, it's like people need love and compassion, but we need
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to address it as a mental health issue, not as, you know, a trans issue or whatever, where,
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You know, why can't we question this happening?
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You know, why can't we question the erosion of women's rights for this very, very small
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minority, which is like 0.3% of the population?
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And to me, we're not really striking that balance where we're talking about people's
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And of course, people's feelings are important, Oli.
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But when it comes to people literally chopping bits off themselves, changing their bodies,
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living on medication for the rest of their life, and in some cases, shortening their lifespans.
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At what point do we go, do we step in and go, I don't think this is a good way of living
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I fully support, like, I think in America, we need in all 50 states legislation to stop
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Because currently you have in places like Oregon and Los Angeles, you have 12, 13 years
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And they get $70,000 per surgery for the full body, by the way.
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So, you know, we need to have laws to protect these kids, you know.
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If somebody, you know, we should be giving people psychologist appointments.
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Years and years ago, if someone was generally trans, they would spend, you know, four or
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five years going to doctor's appointments, having psychology appointments, to make sure
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Now it's as easy as, you know, one, two, three.
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You go into the doctor, they say, what would you like to be today?
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And, you know, they give them a prescription, they chop everything off.
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And it's like that, you know, we need some kind of legislation in place.
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You know, it's who cares about people's feelings when there are people, kids that are being,
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It's no different to female genital mutilation that you have in some cultures in Somalia.
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What's the difference between that and cutting a child up in America that's 13, you know,
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And if you were a child of that age and you had grown up in this time with access to TikTok
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and Instagram and all the rest of it, do you think that that would have been your path?
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I mean, it's bad enough of me now of obviously being Korean and being trans.
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I can't imagine what I would have been, you know, probably being an alien or something.
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So yeah, I think it's now it's like, it's so difficult for kids now, you know,
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It's fine to learn about love and acceptance of different people like LGBT.
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But, you know, we shouldn't be, some schools in America, there was this case recently,
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this university dean, was teaching 14-year-olds how to use dildos and butt plugs, like sick,
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I had like our LGBTQ plus health center come in.
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They were passing around butt plugs and dildos to my students,
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talking about queer sex, using flu versus using spit.
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Meet Joe Bruno, dean of students at the prestigious Francis W. Parker Private School in Chicago,
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which happens to charge $40,000 per student.
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They're just like passing on dildos, butt plugs.
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They're like, how do you, how does this butt plug work?
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That's a really, like, a little part of my job.
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Parents might be stunned to learn that Bruno's version of love and acceptance
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means handing out sex toys to underage students.
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And everybody's cool with that, like the butt plugs and the dildos.
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I mean, if the parents found out, would they, you know, it's queer sex.
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It's like, I wouldn't even, like, run it by them.
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And funnily enough, the university issued a statement and they actually sided with him
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So there are certain things that kids need to be protected from.
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You know, again, with the Balenciaga scandal, when they had kids holding bondage bears.
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But how has this become so normal that the person that speaks out is cancelled?
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The schools protect the people teaching these things to kids.
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So we need something in place to stop these things.
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Florida is a great example with Governor DeSantis.
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They actually passed a bill to kind of protect kids from being taught certain things such as,
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you know, transitioning and stuff from a young age.
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And that was, you know, dubbed the Don't Say Gay Bill.
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It was, you know, Ron DeSantis supports the LGBT community.
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But that was more of an issue of indoctrinating kids.
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They didn't want certain things to be taught in kindergarten, you know,
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We should have more legislation and laws like that.
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But sadly, when you try to pass laws like that,
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it's suddenly you're homophobic, you're transphobic.
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most parents would support that these days, which is fantastic.
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But, you know, what people don't support is kids being taught these things in school,
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Well, you bring up an issue that I think is one of the biggest,
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and it's almost like an underwater hidden concern of people,
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because until recently you weren't allowed to talk about it in many social media platforms,
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You and I were talking in the car on the way here about the fact that you can now use the word groomer online,
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part of the concern is that this has all become very muddled.
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We've kind of slept, walk our way through, let's not beat up gay people in the street,
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which I think we'd all agree was a bad thing and definitely shouldn't happen,
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and people should be treated equally no matter who they love and all of that,
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To, like, your children should, if your child says they're trans, that means they're trans,
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Through to, as you say, children being taught all sorts of sexualized stuff
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and it seems to be about something else in Thailand,
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you mentioned this teacher, but didn't we have this,
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I don't think it was, no, no, you're talking about a comedian.
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No, no, there was a family sex show that was in Bristol,
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in which, at some point, all of the actors were encouraged to remove their clothes
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to the level of nudity that they felt comfortable with.
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And the audience range, I think it was starting from five or seven years old,
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I have a penis in my pants, touch it, touch it, touch it, touch it.
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And I think when people see that kind of stuff,
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and combined with the stuff that you're talking about,
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and also, you know, I don't know if you saw Matt Walsh's documentary,
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If you look into the history of how some of these ideas came about,
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they were pushed by outright pedophiles, right?
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obviously not all trans people, not even all trans actors,
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which is about early sexualization of children?
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in Hollywood movies, in fashion, like with Balenciaga,
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like these trans, radical trans activists,
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they have actually hijacked the LGBT movement.
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that don't want to be associated with these people.
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And, you know, if anyone dares call someone a groomer,
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People are just calling out what they see, which is grooming.
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trying to normalize the sexual exploitation of kids,
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I mean, Balenciaga, they had a Supreme Court document,
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pass a law to say that digital child porn was okay.
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We see it every day in movies, even in cartoons.
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oh, you're homophobic to try and stop these drag story hours
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But really, no kid should be going to a drag show
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where the drag queen or the artist is stripping,
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There was a bar where a drag queen was twerking,
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And Florida moved to revoke the place's liquor license
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And there are people trying to normalize these things,
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like calling predators minor attractive persons.
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You know, the language, even the Washington Post,
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New York Times, you know, these kind of woke newspapers.
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So it's like they're trying to push this agenda.
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And thankfully, we now have stopped that element of it,
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which is very worrying that there's another element
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I don't remember being taught about buck plugs in school.
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they don't even want to hide anymore, these people.
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You know, why have these people become so open?
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the best example is the Balenciaga thing recently,
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it's just another child holding a bondage bear.