TRIGGERnometry - Adam Carolla Unfiltered on Immigration, Activism and Women

00:00:00.000 We're sitting here, Adam. It's a beautiful view. You keep saying you're going to leave, Adam. I

00:00:06.480 don't see any sign of it. Yeah. In 1997, we interviewed then Bruce Jenner. I said,

00:00:15.040 that dude's turning into a chick. Everyone looked at me and went, what? I don't know what you're

00:00:20.820 talking about. I grew up with poor people. They're not noble. They're not hardworking. They're not

00:00:26.180 smarter. They're mostly idiots who don't work hard enough. Maybe you all can serve it.

00:00:31.580 Guy-no-fascism. I figured you'd make that look. Justin Trudeau thinks like a chick. You can tell,

00:00:42.240 watch them cross their legs. Watch Obama and Trudeau and Newsom. When they cross their legs,

00:00:48.320 it's a full chick. And they're singling. They're presenting. They're going, I have chick there.

00:00:54.280 It's happening. It's going to happen. And it will f**k up our society.

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00:02:16.760 Adam, back to Trigonometry.

00:02:18.780 Thanks for having me.

00:02:19.660 It's great to have you on. Last time we were here was a year ago, right around the time of the election.

00:02:24.560 Yeah.

00:02:25.180 You were happy. It was the first time we'd seen you happy.

00:02:27.300 Well, the bloom was off the rose, fellas, because they all pissed again.

00:02:33.940 What happened? They burned your house down?

00:02:35.800 I just settled into my homeostasis of unhappy.

00:02:40.280 Yeah.

00:02:41.000 Well, I'm not an unhappy person. I find fault in a lot of things, you know, and then I get agitated,

00:02:47.520 and then I want to fix them, but no one else. It's really my agitation is people not finding fault

00:02:53.820 than the things I find fault in. You know, I can't, if I go into a restaurant or diner,

00:03:00.040 and I see it says push or pull on the handle of the door, I'm already agitated, because I don't

00:03:07.240 think push and pull should be so close to one another. So they have P-U, four letters, and everyone

00:03:14.820 grabs it and hits it, and I'm already pre-agitated. I don't know, in merry old London town,

00:03:22.060 is it push and pull? Do they have it?

00:03:24.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:25.900 But what if it was push and yank? Wouldn't that be a lot better?

00:03:30.760 That is a very American, like yank.

00:03:32.820 It wouldn't be yank, but it wouldn't be confusing. It wouldn't be confusing, is all I'm saying. So

00:03:37.360 anyway, I see things, I want to fix them, no one else does, and then I get frustrated,

00:03:43.380 and then I get into this state of agitation.

00:03:46.060 Well, since we last saw you, a lot's gone on politically, but also in terms, I joked about

00:03:51.020 the burning your house down. Obviously, there was the terrible fires here in L.A. What have

00:03:55.920 you made of the last year?

00:03:57.560 I mean, Trump is doing what he's going to do. I think the folks that are on the left or Democrats

00:04:07.440 are against Trump. I'm a little surprised that they've not given up the ghost a little bit.

00:04:14.600 I thought it would be second term. We now know Trump. We've been through, we went through

00:04:22.080 four years of Trump, and he didn't, you know, he's not a dictator, and our democracy was intact,

00:04:28.300 and we had another election, and he didn't burn the place down, pardon the pun. So Newsom

00:04:34.840 burn the place down. But I thought there'd be less general agitation the second time around,

00:04:43.600 just because I thought there'd be a familiarity and a kind of a thing where they just got tired.

00:04:52.120 But I didn't know they were going to ratchet it up.

00:04:55.540 Hmm. Well, I don't know if you remember, this is one of the things we discussed last time. We were

00:05:01.520 in L.A. as the election happened, and all the people we'd spoken to before, like, you're going

00:05:06.940 to L.A. right before the election. If Trump wins, it's going to go crazy. And literally nothing

00:05:11.460 happened because everyone accepted the outcome. But it does seem like now that pressure is being

00:05:16.820 ratcheted up again in terms of all the protests, the riots, et cetera.

00:05:20.140 Yeah, I'm constantly sort of amazed that people have energy for this stuff. I mean, just in general,

00:05:28.300 like sort of as an adult, you know, but there's, it's sort of micro in its macro. Like, I was driving

00:05:37.640 somewhere there last week, and I was like on the freeway, and it was very crowded. It was like six

00:05:46.000 o'clock, and I was on the 101. And I tried to change lanes, and I signaled, and then I sort of

00:05:53.600 started to move out about three foot. And I saw in my rear view, there was a truck coming at a good

00:06:00.080 rate of speed from behind. I didn't cut him off. I didn't do anything. I just sort of saw him coming,

00:06:05.000 and I went, oh, okay. And I went back into my lane because I saw the truck coming. And the guy slowed

00:06:10.900 down when he got right next to me and started riding the horn and sort of yelling at me. And I was like,

00:06:15.360 I started to change lanes, and I saw you, then I pulled back. So I don't know. Go ahead. And then

00:06:21.680 a few moments later, in traffic, a couple hundred feet down the freeway, I started coming up on him,

00:06:27.560 and he started turning into me to drive me off the road. But, you know, in a sort of slow motion

00:06:35.240 kind of way, like he was sort of gesturing. But he had gotten his car, and I had to move, you know,

00:06:42.140 to the shoulder otherwise. And then at a certain point, a hundred yards later, I came up on him

00:06:47.900 again, and he started doing it. And I was like, I don't know where the energy, where does this energy

00:06:52.480 come from? Like, you're an adult. I'm an adult. Are you sure he didn't recognize you?

00:06:57.900 I may have not liked me. You're going somewhere. I'm going somewhere. I tried to change lanes. I saw you,

00:07:04.160 and then I moved back. That's it. That's all. And I feel the same way about the people in Portland,

00:07:10.020 and the Antifa, and like middle-aged, and older women screaming at the top, you know, spending a

00:07:17.260 Saturday holding up a cardboard sign. Like, I don't know, where does, where, or, but during COVID,

00:07:23.800 all the Karens, you know, pull up your mask, you know, when you're walking your dog outside.

00:07:27.820 I don't know where the energy comes from. Do you guys, like, did you, are you surprised that there's

00:07:35.580 this much energy over nothing or the Trump's ballroom? I don't know. Who cares? You build

00:07:41.720 the ballroom. They need a ballroom. Someone else will pay for it. I don't know. Who cares? Like,

00:07:47.560 it's, do we need to pour all of our intensity and energy into everything all the time? It'll all

00:07:55.760 quickly be forgotten. No one will care. And we'll just turn the page. But where, where does that

00:08:01.020 energy come from? Well, I think this might be an uncharitable interpretation, but I think

00:08:05.460 for someone like you who has a job that they enjoy, family, kids, you know, a nice house,

00:08:12.320 all of that, doing that kind of stupid shit doesn't make any sense. But if you have no meaning in your

00:08:17.480 life, your life kind of sucks. Yes. Then you can give it some meaning by going out and fighting for a

00:08:23.820 cause or tweeting for a cause, right? Yes. Now, I say this is an uncharitable interpretation. They

00:08:28.760 might say, you know, we're trying to save the country or whatever. Right. But I do think underneath

00:08:33.040 that, there's probably quite a lot of personal dissatisfaction. I would hope so. I pray you're

00:08:40.940 right. Because if they're really satisfied and happy at the end of the day, I'm really going to be

00:08:46.440 miserable. Yeah. I just think people latch onto these causes because it gives them, it doesn't only give

00:08:53.220 all of that, it also gives you a sense of purpose. Yes. You know, you're no longer working in

00:08:59.620 recruitment and you hate your job. And, you know, you don't really get on with your girlfriend or

00:09:04.100 your spouse that much. All of a sudden, when Saturday comes, you're an activist. You're doing

00:09:10.800 something. No, I get the purpose part. And I think that everyone needs it and they will find it

00:09:19.600 in ways that are not really healthy if they don't find a healthy purpose. And I've always sort of

00:09:26.260 thought that it's about projects and being engaged and working with your hands and having lots of stuff

00:09:35.540 sort of on your plate to deal with. And I mean, you know, you get back to these adages, you know,

00:09:41.260 the devil makes work for idle hands and that kind of stuff. But, you know, I think these guys knew what

00:09:48.640 they were talking about when they were crafting these adages, you know, so many years ago, which is

00:09:54.180 I've really been thinking about the move from the rural society and farming and logging and milking

00:10:04.140 and, you know, plucking chickens and churning butter to sort of cubicles and air conditioning

00:10:12.920 and sort of what that's done to the psyche of human beings.

00:10:17.680 Look, absolutely. And also as well, there is a large part of this, I think, that is down to people

00:10:23.940 not having kids. Yes. If you don't, because if you've got kids, you don't have a moment.

00:10:29.660 You don't actually don't have a moment. You're not going to want to go to a Palestine protest

00:10:33.440 because you've got three or running on. It's also prevents you from footage of you

00:10:40.220 in an inflatable Snoopy outfit punching an ICE agent because that's unbecoming of dad or mom.

00:10:48.360 Like it prevents you, you know, it probably prevents you from doing porn and like other things as well,

00:10:54.440 because now you have a witness to your life. Right. So a it engages you.

00:11:00.440 So B, you sort of pass it through a filter like, well, would you like your kid doing this

00:11:06.880 when they're in their 40s? You know what I mean? Like you wouldn't wish that upon them.

00:11:11.320 You would hope they would be doing something more constructive.

00:11:14.480 But also you now have these little witnesses who are going to see you forever on the Internet

00:11:20.780 making an ass of yourself. Oh, absolutely. But, you know, we're sitting here, Adam.

00:11:25.640 It's a beautiful view. The view L.A., the sun is shining and you see you keep saying you're going

00:11:32.940 to leave, Adam. I don't see any sign that sign of it. Yeah. I'm trying to build a house in Nevada

00:11:39.320 and you're right. It's hard. It's hard to leave this this view in this weather.

00:11:45.380 Sure. And but I am I do. I bought land. I got plans and I'm I haven't broken ground yet,

00:11:52.940 but I have the land and I have the plans. So I'm moving toward building and moving to.

00:11:59.020 He's never going to leave. He's never going to leave too much. Come on.

00:12:02.840 It's hard to blame you. It's amazing. It is. It is amazing. Yeah. But that's the whole thing.

00:12:08.200 I mean, when you are, you know, a place that isn't this, you have to sort of work for it.

00:12:18.300 And I think it's probably something we've discussed, but it's kind of baked in.

00:12:23.600 I mean, it sounds dumb, but or like I'm just making a metaphor, but I'm really not.

00:12:28.720 Which is. California is a hot blonde that never had to study because her phone was always ringing

00:12:37.320 and there was always someone buying her drinks and dinner and there's always something to do.

00:12:42.140 And so you take these other states and these other states who don't have this to offer.

00:12:49.160 They're like, look, we got to study. We got to out compete. We got to work harder.

00:12:54.440 We got to lower our taxes. We have to make it attractive.

00:12:57.480 We have to attract people to come here, which is we don't we don't need to do that.

00:13:03.920 And L.A. in California sort of got by on topography for a long time.

00:13:09.620 Like you can go. We'd say it. You go.

00:13:11.680 You could be skiing up in the hills and two hours later be surfing, you know, in Malibu.

00:13:17.420 You know, who else? Who else?

00:13:19.380 And so we sort of what we did like the hot blonde is we went.

00:13:23.340 We don't have to study. We don't have to spend all day at the gym.

00:13:26.980 And we just show up in a sundress and everyone comes to us, you know.

00:13:32.320 But at a certain point, the blonde turns 45 and people aren't as attracted and the suitors aren't calling.

00:13:41.000 And there's not a date every Saturday night.

00:13:43.660 And that's kind of what California is.

00:13:46.480 Like it was a really attractive blonde who's now got some crow's feet and a little gray and it's starting to age out and now has to go get a law degree or something.

00:13:57.900 Like you got to hit the books. You've got to do something.

00:14:00.420 You've got to be a board certified something or a CPA or something.

00:14:04.960 You need to get a job at this point.

00:14:06.640 You just being hot and blonde was good for 40 years, but the ride's over.

00:14:11.820 Yeah.

00:14:12.380 You made an interesting point coming back a little bit about people doing things with their hands and also Francis Burrow, people not having kids.

00:14:18.780 I remember reading a long time ago a book by I think he was a primatologist.

00:14:23.040 So he studied apes called Desmond Morris, and he wrote a book called The Human Zoo.

00:14:28.440 And his basically central argument was when you put people into cities, they start behaving like animals in captivity.

00:14:36.080 They have fewer kids.

00:14:37.540 They get mentally distressed.

00:14:39.920 They become lethargic.

00:14:42.480 Basically, there's more interpersonal violence.

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00:16:54.320 Yeah, I mean, what we're doing is kind of an experiment on humans as a species.

00:17:01.060 So, you know, we understand chimps and we understand seals and whales and whatever.

00:17:08.420 And you take the killer whale who's supposed to be combing the oceans, hunting, and you put him at SeaWorld and he swims in a circle and his dorsal fin falls over because he's depressed.

00:17:21.940 You know what I mean?

00:17:22.480 And then we kind of get it.

00:17:24.040 We go, well, yeah, he's a majestic creature, supposed to be swimming the world's oceans, hunting seal.

00:17:29.700 There he is going in a circle.

00:17:31.220 There's a lesbian feeding trout every day at noon.

00:17:34.500 And he's depressed.

00:17:35.620 I'm assuming she's a lesbian.

00:17:37.600 I didn't see a ring on her finger.

00:17:39.300 All right.

00:17:39.580 The point is, well, she was wearing a glove.

00:17:41.560 So, you know, maybe I'm being unkind.

00:17:43.200 But the whole point is, is that's not what they're meant to do.

00:17:46.700 They're meant to be in the open sea, you know, and we get it with elephants at the zoo.

00:17:52.620 You know, these people, the people that are protesting who want the elephants removed from the zoo because that's not their habitat.

00:18:00.520 They need to roam.

00:18:01.980 They're getting depressed.

00:18:02.720 They're walking in a circle.

00:18:04.520 They're getting psoriasis on their skin.

00:18:06.560 They're depressed.

00:18:07.420 These are the same people that want us to have 15-minute cities and live on top of each other and all eat in some communal slop house.

00:18:15.240 They're not the ones who want acreage and land and space and all this stuff.

00:18:20.320 We, as a species, need, you know, so they see it with the elephants and they see it with the whales and they would all protest to set them free.

00:18:29.260 And then they'd want us to get back on our public transportation and go back to our single flats in the middle of a crime ridden city.

00:18:36.280 So that's that's what they think for us, the species.

00:18:38.900 And what I'm saying is, is this is an experiment.

00:18:41.960 And and and people, I think, got the social media part of it.

00:18:46.680 You know, they go, we don't know how this is going to affect kids long term on their phone.

00:18:51.420 We're not meant to read stories about ourselves or doom scroll all day.

00:18:57.420 I would argue we're not meant to be indoors sitting in air conditioning looking at our phone.

00:19:03.040 Forget about the phone.

00:19:04.100 We're not supposed to be in.

00:19:05.040 We're supposed to be out, you know, swinging an axe, tilting up.

00:19:10.680 A barn, you know, on our feet, you know, moving, sweating, communing with nature, like building something.

00:19:19.660 We're not supposed to be in here crunching data all day.

00:19:23.920 And I do think there's a I also think there's an inability to think because of that.

00:19:31.040 And in bigger picture, we don't have a relationship with danger that we used to have, which is a super important quality to have and needs to be sort of bestowed on every future generation.

00:19:47.100 Which is, you know, when the dad takes the son out to, you know, shoo the horse or deal with the livestock or you don't want to get kicked in the head by a donkey.

00:19:57.800 You know, you don't come up behind the donkey and slap it on the ass, you know.

00:20:01.800 And when you go, you know, I'm a carpenter, so I work with tools all the time.

00:20:06.420 Every tool does something different and sort of poses its own threat or sense of danger.

00:20:12.360 You have to kind of respect it and you have to kind of know what it does, because if you don't, it'll bite you like it'll screw with you.

00:20:19.400 You'll lose a finger. You'll get injured, you know.

00:20:22.120 So we used to sort of go through every day going, I need to use this tool.

00:20:29.160 I got to fire it up. It could bite me, but I'm going to stand where I need to stand.

00:20:33.920 I'm going to do what I need to do. And you just sort of learn these things.

00:20:37.680 And then when something like COVID comes around, you're calibrated.

00:20:42.520 So you go, all right, what are the dangers?

00:20:45.420 Because what we're not going to do is shut everything down and stay at home.

00:20:51.080 We are going to deal with this danger, but we're going to do it in a way like you're going to do in the shop.

00:20:57.380 It's not like we're not going to use the bandsaw.

00:20:59.740 We're going to use the bandsaw, but we're going to use it in a way that is safe or as safe as we can make it.

00:21:07.460 But the answer isn't don't use the bandsaw because we got to chop up this log, you know.

00:21:12.260 So we lost our relationship with danger and I see it all the time.

00:21:19.180 And then you hear these dumbo mayors of cities going, if we lose one person to COVID, you know, it's like we're going to lose a lot of people to COVID, idiot.

00:21:28.360 You can't shut all the schools.

00:21:30.180 You can't shut all the businesses.

00:21:32.160 You can't shut all the churches.

00:21:34.020 Yeah, we're going to lose one.

00:21:35.200 We're going to lose one more.

00:21:37.020 We're making these weird safety kind of feminine driven mom proclamations about if one child is like it's retarded.

00:21:47.300 And it's because they've been indoors breathing air conditioning too long.

00:21:51.760 All the guys I work blue collar jobs with and my like sort of blue collar crew, they had no thoughts about COVID.

00:21:58.720 They just got up and went to work.

00:22:00.100 All the white collar guys were all the pussies when it came to the COVID and they got it all wrong because they were scared because they don't have a relationship with danger.

00:22:11.520 I love the way the word retarded has come back.

00:22:14.440 It's one of my favorite words and is back.

00:22:16.540 I agree.

00:22:17.880 I agree.

00:22:18.600 Bell bottoms, retarded.

00:22:20.440 It's all come full circle.

00:22:23.020 And it's back.

00:22:23.880 I agree.

00:22:24.380 I was told not to use it some years ago and I rejected that.

00:22:28.800 Well, it depends, right?

00:22:29.760 Like if you're talking to someone who's mentally handicapped and using that word, you're an asshole.

00:22:35.700 And totally.

00:22:36.460 But if you're using it in the way that we're using it to say this is dumb.

00:22:39.640 Well, also, you know, in the gearhead, as long as we're talking about cars and gears and stuff, you know, when you take a car, you either advance the timing or you retard the timing.

00:22:50.860 So in automotive parlance, you would retard the timing.

00:22:55.900 That doesn't mean that timing has to go to a special school.

00:22:59.160 It just means you take the distributor and you turn it counterclockwise a little or you advance the timing a little.

00:23:06.260 So like these words live somewhere, you know, like there is retarding this and advancing this.

00:23:14.580 It's an actual thing.

00:23:15.480 We decided we don't want to use the word, but it's this it's the opposite of advance.

00:23:21.040 It's retard.

00:23:22.580 Also with cars, there is a master cylinder and a slave cylinder.

00:23:27.960 And the master cylinder tells the slave cylinder what to do, which is interesting, but it'll never be pulled out of the American lexicon because nerds don't work on cars and they don't.

00:23:43.980 And by the way, the the slave cylinders for the clutch and they don't drive a stick.

00:23:48.580 So we're safe with master cylinder and slave cylinder.

00:23:52.180 But in 2025, you go to auto parts store and you order a slave cylinder.

00:23:57.120 Wow.

00:23:57.800 And a master cylinder.

00:23:58.860 Are they both the same color?

00:24:00.660 That's a good point.

00:24:02.100 Yeah.

00:24:02.460 Sort of a gunmetal gray.

00:24:04.080 You're right.

00:24:05.740 You say nerds don't work in cars.

00:24:07.700 It's funny because in computers, there's there used to be a master slave thing.

00:24:12.860 Right.

00:24:13.080 And that got like canceled at some point.

00:24:15.240 Right, because that's where those guys live, but they don't live in the mechanics bay.

00:24:21.140 And those guys don't care about political correctness.

00:24:24.680 And none of the guys who work in I.T. know what a slave cylinder is as it pertains to an automotive clutch.

00:24:33.520 Right.

00:24:33.820 Basically, the more I go through life, the more I think, you know, the Internet has done some wonderful things.

00:24:39.540 But it's kind of made us all believe that we're far smarter and we know more than we do.

00:24:46.080 You know, it's like you saw this during COVID where people would sit down and go, well, you know, you look at you look at this vaccine or whatever else.

00:24:53.420 And they start reeling off stats here.

00:24:55.240 You go, Dave, you work in a factory.

00:24:57.800 You're not an immunologist.

00:24:59.180 Now, it's not to say you can't have an opinion, but they present themselves as experts.

00:25:03.400 And I think that's kind of a weird place to be, isn't it?

00:25:07.160 Yeah, I agree.

00:25:08.280 I mean, the info's there and it's good and it's and it's a tool and it's a tool like, you know, a gun is good if it's in the hands of law enforcement.

00:25:21.260 It's bad if it's in the hands of a gangbanger.

00:25:24.260 But is a gun good or bad?

00:25:26.060 I don't know.

00:25:26.760 It's just it's just kind of a gun.

00:25:28.200 It kind of depends who's wielding it, what they're doing with it.

00:25:31.720 You know, and information is that way.

00:25:33.900 It's like it's a good thing or someone can get hold of it and sort of twist it and use it to make a point that's incorrect or untrue.

00:25:42.640 And so but the information is just the information, you know.

00:25:46.660 And I think it's probably we're going to have to figure out some ways to not only I think obtaining the information is great, but we're going to have to figure out a better way to digest that information.

00:25:59.500 Because a lot of people, a lot of people have common sense.

00:26:03.960 A lot of this is sort of common sense stuff, like where there was a story.

00:26:10.380 I know it was like three or four years ago and a lot of women got upset about it because some high school, some like Catholic high school boys went to Maui and were harassing and annoying bottlenose dolphins or spinner dolphins like that.

00:26:27.940 The story was they were swimming after them and annoying the dolphins and women really grabbed this.

00:26:34.420 And they're like those kids with nature and everything.

00:26:37.740 And I was like that that story is not true.

00:26:40.380 And then someone said, how do you know?

00:26:41.720 It's all over the place.

00:26:42.760 These kids, Catholic kids are harassing these dolphins, upsetting them.

00:26:48.260 I said, the dolphin can swim 30 knots.

00:26:51.760 I mean, the dolphin can swim 30 miles, 35 miles an hour.

00:26:55.440 One of those things, a Catholic high school kid's good for about three miles an hour in the ocean.

00:27:00.880 I do not think there's any scenario where the kid is swimming up on the dolphin and the dolphin can't get away in the open sea or go do whatever a dolphin wants to do.

00:27:11.580 So this is bullshit.

00:27:13.080 And they were like, what?

00:27:14.180 I was like, common sense, logic, logic.

00:27:17.760 Like I went and looked it up.

00:27:19.020 Like the fastest a human can swim, Michael Phelps swims at like three and a half miles an hour or something.

00:27:25.580 It's not fast at all.

00:27:27.640 I mean, God bless him.

00:27:29.680 But it's about as fast.

00:27:31.000 I think you could walk, you know, next to the side of the pool and stay up with Michael Phelps while he's swimming.

00:27:36.860 You know, so a spinner dolphin swims at 30 miles an hour.

00:27:42.900 Not going to be caught by Michael Phelps or the high school kid.

00:27:47.340 But but unless you have a little logic.

00:27:49.320 Yeah.

00:27:49.860 You're going to have trouble digesting this story.

00:27:52.940 And Adam, this is a question I've always wanted to ask you, because you were one of the first people who really made a name for themselves with podcasting.

00:28:01.800 And, you know, you have a huge podcast.

00:28:05.340 What responsibility do you feel when you're having conversations?

00:28:08.860 Has that changed over the years or is it really you are who you are and you do what you do?

00:28:14.700 I strive for for accuracy, although I'm not writing textbooks, so I don't drill down on it that far.

00:28:23.840 But my thing is I would like to be accurate over being popular.

00:28:28.600 So a lot of people, I think we get into trouble, certainly during covid, when people are like, I'd rather have a popular opinion than an accurate opinion, because accurate opinions could get you ostracized or sort of pushed out from your group or your worker or worse.

00:28:44.380 You know, you could there could be a livelihood issue for me.

00:28:48.620 For me, it's always accuracy over whatever whatever's popular, number one.

00:28:56.580 And then my opinions are my opinions.

00:29:00.480 And I I I make peace with them in that I I'm thoughtful about my own opinions, even if people think they're sort of snap judgment or they're just flying off the cuff or whatever.

00:29:12.540 Like I sit back and I observe and I get a picture for where things are going and then I say something about it.

00:29:20.540 And the other day, Dr. Drew said to me years ago, years in 1997, we interviewed then Bruce Jenner and then Bruce Jenner left.

00:29:33.840 And then I said, that dude's turned into a chick.

00:29:37.700 And everyone looked at me and went, what are you talking about?

00:29:40.200 It's the world's greatest athlete.

00:29:41.560 And I said, he's turning into a chick.

00:29:43.780 He wasn't this is 28 years ago.

00:29:48.200 He wasn't really doing it yet.

00:29:50.680 But there was something about him that was different.

00:29:53.880 And I could tell something was going on.

00:29:56.880 And I didn't have I don't know why I said it.

00:30:00.600 I just went, he's turning into a chick.

00:30:02.040 And everyone looked at me and went, I don't it'd be like if I said, Mel Gibson's turning into a bitch.

00:30:07.700 Everyone would look at me and go, what?

00:30:10.000 No, that's what it was like.

00:30:11.660 He was on the Wheaties box, you know, 15 years earlier.

00:30:14.960 But I saw something and I just said something, you know, and everyone looked at me and went, what?

00:30:22.240 I don't know what you're talking about.

00:30:23.340 I was like, I'm just saying what I saw or what I feel or what I inferred or picked up or whatever it is.

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00:30:32.480 I just do that.

00:30:34.000 But it's also as well, you have to make it funny.

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00:32:46.160 Yeah, I mean, my feeling is, is as a comedian, there shouldn't really be a line.

00:32:51.620 You know, I think maybe as a politician or a school teacher, there should be a line.

00:32:57.320 But comedians should be sort of grandfathered in or something in terms of the line.

00:33:05.360 I mean, it's like the extreme example, I guess, would be like a roast, you know?

00:33:10.540 And so you go, well, you're signing up to roast Tom Brady or Donald Trump or whomever.

00:33:15.560 And I've done a few of them.

00:33:17.840 I did Hugh Hefner back in the day.

00:33:20.860 I did Alec Baldwin and I did Pam Anderson.

00:33:24.660 Not, not in that order, but I like Alec Baldwin.

00:33:28.980 I would consider him a friend, but now it's time to do the roast.

00:33:32.560 And so I'm going to go up there and say horrible things about Alec Baldwin.

00:33:35.820 But no one goes, oh my God, do you believe what he said about Alec Baldwin?

00:33:39.040 Well, if Alec Baldwin and I were out for dinner and I said that stuff, then that would be horrible.

00:33:45.680 And I don't think we'd be friends, but this is a roast.

00:33:49.200 So there's like a context, right?

00:33:51.980 And it's kind of an extreme context, but this person's going to come on and we're going to say horrible things about this person.

00:34:00.920 But the context is, is from comedians in a roast setting.

00:34:06.320 So, okay, now it's okay because there's context.

00:34:09.340 And I would argue that that context should sort of be built into comedians when they're holding a microphone.

00:34:18.360 Like, okay, it's not a roast, but you're on stage and you have a microphone or you're doing a podcast or you're broadcasting or you're in this format.

00:34:29.040 You have an audience.

00:34:30.340 The audience is either in the room with you or the audience is at home with their earbuds or jogging or taking their dog for a walk.

00:34:38.620 But that is your audience.

00:34:40.140 And as a comedian, you should be able to say what you want, hyperbole or not, with no lines drawn as long as you have an audience.

00:34:52.900 Now, if you're talking in your living room and you're making, you know, you're complaining about Polish people or something in the context of just you and your living room and your friend or something, then maybe that is something else.

00:35:09.260 Maybe that's in a different context.

00:35:11.360 My rule is if I'm talking and people are listening, then that's the audience and I get to say whatever I want.

00:35:19.500 Well, one of the interesting things that has happened with podcasts, and I think maybe it's why Frances is asking the question, is like a lot of the places where people now get their news or their information about certain things is now podcasts hosted by comedians.

00:35:35.220 You know, Joe, Theo Vaughn has become massive as well, Tim Dillon, right?

00:35:40.760 And that's an interesting dynamic as well that maybe blurs some of these lines, don't you think?

00:35:46.140 Yeah, it does.

00:35:47.180 But I mean, if you sort of go back and you think about like what Jon Stewart was doing with The Daily Show going back 25 years, he's doing politics and opinion and then sort of using comedy to propel and make the point of opinion attached to comedy, attached to politics.

00:36:11.620 You know, so, you know, we look at it as a newer phenomenon because it's in a podcast form.

00:36:18.340 But, you know, go back and watch The Daily Show 20 years ago.

00:36:22.180 Right.

00:36:22.420 I mean, I was on The Daily Show 20 years ago more.

00:36:26.680 I mean, that's what Jon Stewart does.

00:36:28.660 I don't know what Mort Sahl would do.

00:36:30.380 You know, I mean, there's sort of context for comedians, opinions and politics.

00:36:36.620 And I don't think a lot of people would watch The Daily Show and go, this is just a pure comedy show, you know.

00:36:46.080 I think they went, no, I like this guy's opinion, you know, like it's funny, but I get his point and I agree with his point.

00:36:54.780 And so whether that's, you know, Joe Rogan or whomever, I think it's basically an extension of the same thing and in a slightly different format.

00:37:05.540 But even that's not that different.

00:37:07.820 Sit down, roll cameras, talk to a guest, express opinion.

00:37:12.920 That's a really good point.

00:37:13.960 I hadn't quite thought of it like that, but that's absolutely right.

00:37:16.220 I know people who are kind of like default liberals who would say to me, oh, I get all my news from The Daily Show.

00:37:22.760 I get all my news from Stephen Colbert, which reminds me, Jimmy Kimmel, obviously he had this situation recently where he talked about the Charlie Kirk assassination.

00:37:34.460 He got some facts wrong.

00:37:36.420 He was sort of canceled and then came back almost instantly.

00:37:39.720 Did you have any thoughts on that?

00:37:41.260 Yeah, I talked to him during that interim period and he kind of, his statement was not well crafted, but his point was different than the way it was interpreted.

00:37:58.760 At least when it was explained to me, there's a way to sort of read it and understand that that's not exactly what he was pointing at or getting at.

00:38:10.600 But all that being said, I'm not, you know, like I'm for free speech and then I'm for employers being able to fire whoever they want as well.

00:38:25.420 So I'm sort of like both sides of it.

00:38:28.540 Like, I think you should be able to say whatever you want to say.

00:38:31.640 On the other hand, your employer or whoever's paying you should also be able to say, I don't want you to say that.

00:38:40.240 And so I'm going to fire you.

00:38:42.800 So I'm kind of straddling it.

00:38:46.800 I like Jimmy.

00:38:48.200 Jimmy and I, Jimmy's a very decent guy and a very good guy and a very generous guy.

00:38:55.860 And I've always tried to try to explain to people that he's not what you think he is because you disagree with his opinions, which is.

00:39:05.340 But also, I, you know, I know Jon Stewart pretty well and Alec Baldwin pretty well.

00:39:10.720 I disagree with them, but I don't think they're bad people or evil people.

00:39:15.360 They're like family oriented taxpayers.

00:39:18.360 Like, I won't include them as part of the problem is what I'm saying.

00:39:24.560 And so Jimmy and I have gone different directions politically over the years.

00:39:31.100 I don't really look at where I've gone is diverging very far from where I was 25 years ago.

00:39:38.660 I was just like, pay your taxes, raise your kids, limited government, take care of yourself.

00:39:45.140 Don't rely on the government.

00:39:47.560 That's kind of I'd like like a little lower taxes in a in a stout border and like fill the potholes like that.

00:39:56.460 That's kind of where I've been at.

00:39:57.740 Somehow it turns into other stuff, as you guys probably know as well.

00:40:02.540 But by and large, we're sort of live and let live.

00:40:07.320 You know, like somebody said to me.

00:40:10.160 Well, you know, you're conservative.

00:40:12.140 I said, well, all right, let's let's see if we're going to unpack that for a second.

00:40:18.020 I don't own a gun.

00:40:20.160 I'm an atheist.

00:40:22.780 And I don't really care about abortion.

00:40:26.340 Like the three major planks of a conservative person, guns, abortion and religion.

00:40:34.180 I'm 0 for 3 in those three main topics.

00:40:39.360 So you can call me a conservative, but that seemed pretty weird.

00:40:43.320 Like like what if I said, oh, you're liberal, you're progressive.

00:40:46.720 But I know you think climate change is bullshit.

00:40:49.740 And I know you voted for Trump.

00:40:52.000 And I know you don't want electric cars and you're not down with Black Lives Matter.

00:40:57.000 Like you go, well, is that really?

00:40:58.300 Would you call that person a Democrat or would you call that person progressive?

00:41:04.440 Like we're living in a time where I can be called conservative and not be 0 for 3 on their first three major planks.

00:41:13.960 I'm not pro abortion.

00:41:15.900 It's just not, you know, I'm not going to go out and rally.

00:41:18.740 It's not it's never been a thing.

00:41:20.180 I'm not religious and I don't own a gun, not against guns and not against religion.

00:41:24.440 I just grew up in the San Fernando Valley and have guns or religion.

00:41:29.300 Well, I think you represent and one of the reasons you've had the success you've had is you represent a kind of blue collar, common sense man.

00:41:38.400 Right.

00:41:39.520 And that's what people might call like small C conservative in that you're not you don't necessarily vote for a particular party, but you you think family is important.

00:41:51.160 And you think practical reality matters and not floating away with crazy ideas.

00:41:57.100 And it's actually something that's happened in Britain as well.

00:41:59.560 Like people with a similar disposition in Britain are all called right wing or even far right now.

00:42:05.780 Right.

00:42:06.160 Because the entire thinking class, if if if I can say that the people who make up ideas for a living, they've all gone so far to the progressive direction.

00:42:16.500 Right.

00:42:17.180 And so if you believe in family and you believe in reality, you are now a conservative, you know?

00:42:22.240 Yeah.

00:42:22.500 And also there's a kind of like you speak about Britain and I've always said it here.

00:42:27.900 You guys are having your issues with migration and Muslim and culture and that kind of stuff.

00:42:35.280 And I'm not really using it as a pejorative, but it's like I've said it here for years and years and years growing up here.

00:42:43.500 If enough Mexicans come in from Mexico and set up, then we will have the culture of Mexico here.

00:42:51.860 Now, you can go, is that good or is that bad?

00:42:55.440 And the answer is, I don't know, some of it's good and some of it's bad, but that's what you shall have.

00:43:00.760 And we'll have it. It'll be the music. It'll be the food. It'll be the culture.

00:43:06.120 I grew up here. There was zero street vendors. It didn't exist.

00:43:10.280 That was something you'd find in Tijuana.

00:43:12.940 There's no such thing as when I grew up walking around L.A. and seeing people sell stuff on the street, food, flowers, whatever.

00:43:21.640 It didn't it literally didn't exist. You go into a restaurant, you go into a store, you don't go out on the sidewalk and buy food.

00:43:28.160 That's third world. Well, now it's a thing.

00:43:33.760 Right. Why is it a thing? Because we imported too many Swedes or too many Hungarians.

00:43:38.920 No, there's Mexicans have come in. That's what they do.

00:43:42.000 So you can go, why are you being such a xenophobe?

00:43:45.220 And I'm like, I'm not being xenophobic. I'm just saying you shall have what you import.

00:43:51.740 Actions have consequences.

00:43:52.160 If you carpenter ants are going to do what carpenter ants are going to do, if you get a whole bunch of them to land where there weren't any, they're going to start doing what carpenter ants do.

00:44:04.560 That's what they do.

00:44:05.940 If you have a bunch of folks who follow Islam come to Dearborn, Michigan, they're going to start setting up mosques and they're going to do what they do.

00:44:18.500 And then you can go, I like it.

00:44:22.100 OK, or you can go, I don't like it.

00:44:24.200 But either way, don't expect the outcome not to be them doing what they're doing.

00:44:30.300 And then eventually they're going to elect people that are like minded.

00:44:33.760 And then those people are going to say, here's what I'm thinking about in terms of my constituency.

00:44:38.920 And then you're going to have a bunch of Somalians running Minneapolis.

00:44:44.220 But that's what's going to happen.

00:44:45.900 So you have to kind of weigh that in before you open the doors of whatever group is coming in.

00:44:54.380 I wouldn't want it to be all Germans or all, you know, I wouldn't want it to be schnitzel and pizza everywhere either.

00:45:01.300 Like, I like the balance.

00:45:03.440 But this is something that's happening.

00:45:06.700 Europe is running into it.

00:45:08.560 We're kind of, I mean, New York is kind of just getting there.

00:45:12.220 And people are so scared of being called racist or xenophobic that they don't want to say anything about it.

00:45:21.200 It's such an obvious and simple, truthful point, though, isn't it?

00:45:24.860 It's like, but I think maybe it's because a lot of these people either have an open door worldview or maybe they just are uncomfortable.

00:45:34.960 I mean, look, Trump is trying to deal with the issue of illegal immigration now.

00:45:39.040 And it looks kind of ugly to a lot of people, right?

00:45:42.620 And so I think because of those realities, people then maybe just pretend or just try to ignore those things that you're talking about.

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00:46:55.160 Yeah, well, the Trump stuff is kind of interesting because that'll be my metaphor or analogy for that is sort of like you go.

00:47:09.520 Because what they do is they create chaos and then at some point they go, look at all the chaos.

00:47:16.760 And it's like, yeah, I know that's because you're doing that.

00:47:19.680 And then they go, don't you want the chaos to end?

00:47:22.040 And, you know, and so what the phenomenon that's kind of interesting with Trump is like, what if I just said as an example, you know, you and your wife and your your wife said, I'd like to go to bed at night and leave the front door open.

00:47:38.240 And you go, I don't want to do that because like raccoons would come into the house, a stray dog.

00:47:44.000 And they go, no, that's what I want to do.

00:47:46.400 And you go, no, no.

00:47:47.960 And then you come downstairs in the morning.

00:47:49.760 The trash is all torn through because a family of raccoon walked through your living room and so on and so forth.

00:47:54.340 And then you say to your wife, can we just shut the front door?

00:47:58.620 Can we just shut the front door?

00:48:00.180 And she goes, no, no, no.

00:48:01.400 And you go, I'm shutting the front door.

00:48:02.780 And you shut the front door.

00:48:04.700 But she's throwing a fit every single, every single night, every single night.

00:48:08.680 And then at some point your kids just go, just open the front door.

00:48:12.740 I'm so tired of hearing her.

00:48:14.340 I'm so tired of the arguing.

00:48:15.980 And you go, but we shut the front door and we didn't get any raccoons.

00:48:19.160 I know, but I don't want to hear this anymore.

00:48:22.060 Just do it, you know, and you go, fine, we'll do it.

00:48:25.380 And so you go, oh, you open the front door.

00:48:27.680 And now there's raccoons back in the house, but there's no more arguing.

00:48:30.740 And at least your kids can go in the room and shut the door and go to bed, you know.

00:48:33.920 And so in a way it's like being blackmailed, right?

00:48:37.140 So you go, I don't want the front door.

00:48:39.740 And I go, yeah, but don't you just want peace?

00:48:41.960 Don't you just want some peace in your home?

00:48:44.380 And you go, okay.

00:48:45.560 And that's sort of what they do.

00:48:46.880 They go out and they fight everything.

00:48:49.300 It could be ice.

00:48:50.440 It could be a ballroom.

00:48:52.440 It could be anything to do with the border.

00:48:54.880 It could be any transgender.

00:48:56.420 They just fight everything.

00:48:58.400 And then at some point they go, aren't you tired of the chaos?

00:49:01.520 Don't you just want some peace?

00:49:03.100 Don't you want to just get back to normal?

00:49:05.440 Don't you just want to get some middle of the road somebody?

00:49:08.460 Just put our guy in there.

00:49:10.240 Open the front door.

00:49:11.460 No more arguments.

00:49:12.640 And we can get on with our life.

00:49:13.900 Wouldn't that be nice?

00:49:15.020 And I'm like, it would be nice.

00:49:16.620 But there's an alternative one, which is you shut the fuck up.

00:49:20.160 You know what I mean?

00:49:21.060 Like, just let ICE do their job.

00:49:23.800 Let the border patrol do their job.

00:49:26.740 How about you just sit back and let everyone do their job for 10 minutes?

00:49:29.500 Let them add a ballroom onto the east wing.

00:49:32.200 How about that?

00:49:33.080 Because that's the other alternative.

00:49:35.740 I'm going to shut the front door.

00:49:37.500 You shut the fuck up.

00:49:38.700 And we'll get on with our lives.

00:49:39.860 With no raccoons.

00:49:41.100 We can do that.

00:49:42.300 But you won't let that happen.

00:49:45.560 But you know, there is also, I think, an element of this conversation that we're missing.

00:49:49.700 Which is, when people are being unreasonable, which they are in this situation, when they're being histrionic, when they're creating a fuss, when they want a solution to a problem that we all know is only going to make the problem worse, it's a responsibility of the adults to go, they're going to do what they're going to do.

00:50:10.160 They're going to moan.

00:50:11.220 They're going to kick off.

00:50:12.760 Whatever.

00:50:13.800 You just got to just hold the line.

00:50:16.460 And then eventually, they're going to realize that all the tantrums, all the screaming, all the shouting doesn't work.

00:50:24.460 Yeah, well, there's another alternative, which is they'll just take it all and move it to the next crises, you know, which is what they do.

00:50:34.740 No, I agree.

00:50:36.280 The job as the adult is to go, I'm shutting the front door.

00:50:41.060 Kids, your mom's a crazy bitch.

00:50:43.220 And I'm sorry, that's where we're at, because I'm not doing this.

00:50:46.980 And that's where we're at.

00:50:48.340 But so many people just go, I just, I don't want to argue anymore.

00:50:53.300 I mean, we just saw it with COVID.

00:50:55.720 We just, I lived in a house with a woman, my ex-wife, and my daughter, who were like weaponized with COVID.

00:51:06.160 And I would come walking in, and my daughter would start screaming, take off your shoes, you know?

00:51:11.640 And I'd go, there's no correlation between shoes and COVID.

00:51:18.200 So no.

00:51:19.640 And also, I pay for everything.

00:51:22.660 So I pay for the shoes.

00:51:24.060 I pay for the floor.

00:51:24.960 I pay for all the stuff.

00:51:27.020 So no.

00:51:27.380 And, and, but at a certain point around day five, when they're having the meltdown, and the wife is going, just take the shoes off.

00:51:37.080 She's crying, you know what I mean?

00:51:38.560 Like you go, fuck it, I'll just kick my shoes off.

00:51:41.360 You know what I mean?

00:51:41.800 Because you don't want this.

00:51:44.360 Like you just don't want to deal with this.

00:51:48.040 And, and that was 80% of COVID, was just people going, I don't, I don't want to, I just don't want to deal with this thing.

00:51:56.400 It's not true.

00:51:57.740 It's not factual.

00:51:59.180 It's not scientific.

00:52:00.500 And yes, I am the adult, but also I'd like just to make it through a day where there wasn't all this friction.

00:52:07.440 You know what I mean?

00:52:08.440 But you can take that, Adam, and you can use that metaphor, which is very, which is very beautifully done and well constructed.

00:52:14.420 And let's go transgenderism.

00:52:16.460 Right.

00:52:16.880 I'm a boy.

00:52:17.700 I'm a boy.

00:52:18.440 I'm a girl.

00:52:19.260 You know, someone's a man.

00:52:20.640 They're saying they're a girl.

00:52:21.580 They're having a tantrum.

00:52:23.340 And you, you know, and then I want to use the women's toilets.

00:52:26.240 And you go, just go and use the women's toilets.

00:52:29.080 Right.

00:52:29.420 And all of a sudden, you know, you've opened that particular door.

00:52:32.540 No, I agree.

00:52:33.480 I think there's a sort of critical mass, whereas the transgender does not comprise a large enough percentage wise group of the populace.

00:52:44.760 And the supporters do comprise a larger group, but still it's an 80-20 type thing, whereas COVID was 80-20 the other direction.

00:52:57.460 You know what I mean?

00:52:58.320 And it's the kind of thing where if I had my ex-wife saying to my daughter, shut up, that's your dad.

00:53:06.080 He'll keep his shoes on.

00:53:07.400 Then I could have probably pulled it off.

00:53:09.600 But she took her side, which meant it was much more difficult.

00:53:14.580 And so, yeah, I get what your point is, but there are certain things that are overwhelmingly statistically popular, or at least I don't know if the word is popular, but at least populated.

00:53:32.520 And then there are ones that are more 80-20.

00:53:34.900 And I think the transgender thing, there was a lot of people that were sort of in the shadows.

00:53:44.060 Like, they were like, well, I don't agree with this, but I don't want to say anything because I'm scared I'm going to get into trouble or whatever.

00:53:51.400 And then Riley Gaines and a few other people started saying it out loud, or some of the folks, Matt Walsh or whoever,

00:53:58.040 and the quiet Muranos who were hiding in the shadows sort of stepped up and went, yeah, I guess it's safe to come out and give my opinion on that.

00:54:08.200 You know, it's absolutely true, because when people talk about what's gone wrong, particularly with the UK, and they, you know, they ask me, and look, you know, it's multifactorial, it's very complicated.

00:54:19.180 But I say that we've got a courage deficit.

00:54:21.580 I really do.

00:54:22.480 I think right across the West, we've got a courage deficit.

00:54:25.120 Yes, yes.

00:54:26.100 A courage meets a kind of a guilt thing and a privilege thing, which I've never really thought about, but maybe we can kind of explore it,

00:54:36.660 which is like a feeling of we've had it pretty good for a long time.

00:54:42.760 We've been in charge for a long time.

00:54:46.060 The heterosexual white male, you know, cry me a river.

00:54:50.360 These guys have been captains of industry and, you know, heads of state and presidents and so on and so forth.

00:54:57.980 So, like, there's a little guilt.

00:55:00.840 Like, there's kind of a, there is a crisis of courage, but I think there's a dusting of sort of guilt on top of it, where it's like,

00:55:12.960 yeah, okay, we've, we've been in charge for so long and we have it pretty good, you know, and so I think, I think it's kind of both.

00:55:22.840 And I agree, and it does, you know, it's basically, it does take courage to take a stand even when you're coming from a place of privilege.

00:55:38.940 And there's a sort of a thing in the Bible, I think, that says, and it's sort of true.

00:55:48.320 It's like when you're judging somebody, the poor person and the rich person, you got to throw that out the window.

00:55:56.340 It's like, who's right, who's wrong?

00:55:58.280 Because we do a lot of, well, he can afford to pay.

00:56:01.760 And then you go, but the guy didn't do anything to him.

00:56:04.340 It's like, I know, but he can, that's two days work for him.

00:56:07.540 You know what I mean?

00:56:08.220 So we, it starts getting skewed a little bit, like morally we go like, well, yeah, but he's got his big house up in the hill.

00:56:15.600 I think he's fine.

00:56:16.840 He'll recover.

00:56:18.220 You know what I mean?

00:56:18.920 So there's like a little white guilt mixed in with a lack of courage.

00:56:24.600 And, and I, and I, and I totally agree.

00:56:26.760 And part of the, part of the courage is someone going, hey, you're rich, you're white.

00:56:33.480 What do you complain?

00:56:34.440 And they go, yeah, I'm rich.

00:56:35.620 I'm white.

00:56:36.200 But anyway, now I'm going to complain.

00:56:39.060 I, when, when the, when the, when the, when the LA Unified School District was attacking me, and this will speak to that.

00:56:48.180 The LA School District was attacking me because I was saying, open the school, you cowards.

00:56:53.600 Open the schools.

00:56:54.520 It's safe.

00:56:55.320 My kids are home all day.

00:56:57.000 They're in high school at the time.

00:56:58.640 I go, it's, you guys are being cowards.

00:57:00.760 The school union's being cowards.

00:57:02.660 Open the schools.

00:57:03.340 And then they wrote back to me, uh, oh, you know, rich, white, Adam, Corolla, sitting home in a $7 million home, counting his money, sitting in a $7 million home.

00:57:18.140 Once us, the poor kids, you know, brown and black, you know, go back.

00:57:21.400 And then I wrote back, they said, he's sitting in a $7 million home.

00:57:25.360 And I just wrote back 7.3.

00:57:29.320 Because, fuck you.

00:57:31.680 And, oh, yeah, I'm rich.

00:57:33.260 Yeah, I'm sitting in, well, it's 7.3.

00:57:35.180 But I'm sitting in my home.

00:57:36.280 I still have an opinion, and you're still closed the schools needlessly.

00:57:40.720 And what they were doing when they went sitting in a $7 million home is going, shut up, rich guy.

00:57:47.640 I dare you to say something else.

00:57:49.840 Because we just played poor and brown and black kids school.

00:57:54.560 You sit home in your $7 million house, so shut up.

00:57:58.340 And it would work on most people.

00:58:01.280 Most people go, like, okay, all right, I don't want to be called out for whatever.

00:58:05.400 I don't care, because I started off poor in life, and I work, so I don't really.

00:58:12.060 You can't shame me with money because of my past and how I live.

00:58:15.920 But it works on most people.

00:58:18.320 But it's sort of courage and the rich white privilege part, which is sort of in unison.

00:58:25.960 Like, I think that's what's going on a lot in the UK.

00:58:29.440 Like, it's like, you guys have it real good.

00:58:32.640 You've had it real good.

00:58:34.080 You can't accept a few people that don't have it as good as you.

00:58:38.020 And then you sort of go, okay, I don't want to say anything and be called this.

00:58:43.840 Yeah.

00:58:44.180 It's an interesting point, Adam.

00:58:45.340 And one of the reasons I love talking to you is that kind of common sense.

00:58:48.880 You mentioned, like, you worked and you were poor.

00:58:51.940 And I think that's a kind of big inoculation against all this stuff.

00:58:55.780 Because I think the people who do feel really guilty are the people who feel that they haven't earned the things that they have.

00:59:00.920 Well, not only do they not do that, but they overcompensate the other direction.

00:59:08.620 So it's like two guys, same age and about the same height, who grew up in California, or Gavin Newsom and Adam Carolla.

00:59:18.120 I grew up on food stamps and welfare and poor.

00:59:23.640 He grew up in a vineyard with the Getty family.

00:59:27.120 He has to create some alternative life where he had a single mom and he was making mac and cheese and down on his luck, you know, this weird sort of fantasy life that never existed.

00:59:42.920 And then he has to overcompensate talking about the poor black and the brown and the moms that go without and the living wage and snap.

00:59:55.320 And he has to do all that.

00:59:56.460 And I'm over here going, I got welfare and my mom was on welfare and was on food stamps.

01:00:04.020 And I'm like, hey, poor people, get your sh** together because we shouldn't be paying for this.

01:00:07.660 And you don't want us to pay for it because it'll ruin you generationally, which it has and it does.

01:00:13.380 I saw it.

01:00:14.740 I lived it.

01:00:15.580 I understood it.

01:00:16.460 He is overcompensating and going the other direction.

01:00:21.480 He can't say the things I say because he didn't come from there.

01:00:26.480 It's like stolen valor or something, you know.

01:00:29.340 He wasn't in country in Vietnam.

01:00:31.500 I was in a swamp in Vietnam.

01:00:33.480 I can say what I want.

01:00:35.020 He was in the rear with the gear.

01:00:36.780 He has to overcompensate and go the other direction.

01:00:39.820 And you see that with tons of politicians, you know.

01:00:43.100 So if they were poor and they understood it, I tell people all the time, I grew up with poor people.

01:00:49.260 They're not noble.

01:00:50.480 They're not hardworking.

01:00:51.800 They're not smarter.

01:00:53.180 They're a lot of time idiots.

01:00:55.640 They don't know delayed gratification is not part of the world.

01:01:00.500 There's lots of smoking, lots of drinking, lots of money going toward gambling or rims for their cars or lottery tickets or cigarettes or alcohol.

01:01:11.440 They're not hardworking.

01:01:13.440 They're not noble.

01:01:14.220 They're not poor.

01:01:14.840 They're not poor.

01:01:16.400 They're not smarter than anybody.

01:01:18.800 They're not more virtuous.

01:01:20.480 They're not any of the shit they say.

01:01:22.260 I grew up with these people.

01:01:23.260 They're mostly idiots who don't work hard enough.

01:01:26.520 Maybe you are conservative.

01:01:27.600 No, but it's so funny that you mentioned that.

01:01:34.020 But, Adam, as we wrap up, before we go to questions from our supporters, there's one other thing I wanted to ask you with that kind of working with your hands, common sense perspective.

01:01:43.140 It's an issue that everyone's talking about, but I suspect you might have an interesting perspective on it, which is AI and what's coming from that.

01:01:51.900 Do you have any thoughts on this?

01:01:53.600 Because a lot of people are freaking out.

01:01:55.380 There's loads of people think it's the solution to all of humanity's problems.

01:01:59.500 How do you come down on it?

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01:02:49.040 I don't think it's ever hurt when a technology has sort of replaced something that's sort of a legacy that has been there.

01:02:57.660 So, you know, when the automobile replaced the horse, then that's fine.

01:03:01.920 Now, I didn't ride a horse here today.

01:03:04.580 I drove an electric car.

01:03:06.180 So, you know, fine.

01:03:07.340 Now, there is a thing where it took several decades, you know, maybe 50 years from the horse to the car.

01:03:18.520 You know, it didn't take 18 months, you know, which could definitely cause a problem if you're in the saddle making industry or the riding crop industry or whatever.

01:03:29.420 Yeah, that if it takes 50 years, then you transition and it's nice and gradual and smooth.

01:03:36.160 If it happens overnight, there's going to be issues.

01:03:40.120 So I kind of get that part of it.

01:03:43.420 The other part where you're, you know, taking these numbers and things and data and entry and sort of streamlining it and what have you, that's fine.

01:03:55.140 Like efficiency, you know, going from the prop airplane to the jet airplane or whatever that thing and whatever your example of efficiency is, it's good.

01:04:06.700 It's always good.

01:04:07.960 It's progress.

01:04:08.760 It's human progress.

01:04:09.640 And by the way, it can't be stopped because that's who we are.

01:04:14.140 It's always, you know, how could this be faster?

01:04:16.520 You know what I mean?

01:04:17.560 Like I was going to drive to my office, but I'm now going to take a zip line because it's actually faster on the zip line.

01:04:27.160 So this can't be avoided.

01:04:28.960 I would use it as an opportunity to have a conversation about trades and skills and things that can't be replaced with AI.

01:04:43.520 Like I was doing a vlog.

01:04:46.780 I've been doing a vlog on the Malibu fires and the Palisades fires and stuff like that.

01:04:51.040 And less than a week ago, I was on the job site of a house that was being framed, one of the few in the Palisades.

01:04:59.100 And I was walking through it and I've been on a million job sites when I used to work for them.

01:05:03.600 So I recognized all the, you know, straps and the clips and the plates and the sheer walls and all.

01:05:08.460 And I was talking with the contractor and stuff.

01:05:11.200 There was 20 guys buzzing around that with their bags on, circular saws, you know, hammering away, nail guns, compressors going off.

01:05:19.700 And there is no world where AI and a robot is going to be able to do that in the foreseeable future.

01:05:28.520 There just isn't.

01:05:29.780 Then the trades come in, the electricians, the plumbers, the pipe fitters, foundation, whatever, HVAC, helicopter pilots.

01:05:37.680 They're all coming in.

01:05:39.200 I've been sort of talking a lot about the trades and getting young people and poor people and inner city people, like get them a trade.

01:05:48.140 I walked around, I asked the general contractor, I said, what are these guys?

01:05:52.560 Every guy in the job's getting paid 350, 400 bucks a day.

01:05:56.960 They're making good money.

01:05:58.920 They're on their feet.

01:06:00.300 They have dignity.

01:06:01.260 They have pride.

01:06:01.960 They have a skill.

01:06:03.780 And, you know, as AI as you want, who's coming to your house to snake out your toilet or unclog your sink?

01:06:11.520 I mean, that's a long ways away.

01:06:15.460 So, look, if you have a job, but we're going through it with Hollywood, you know what I mean?

01:06:22.080 Like when I used to do TV shows, you'd look at the call sheet.

01:06:26.700 There'd be seven producers on there.

01:06:28.700 I never seen one of them on set once.

01:06:32.400 You know, there'd be just people getting paid, getting paid, getting paid, names, names, names.

01:06:37.020 I don't even know who these people are.

01:06:38.740 They weren't even, they weren't necessary to the production.

01:06:42.700 We wrote it.

01:06:43.820 We acted.

01:06:44.600 You know, we, so there's a lot of people, they're sort of fingers in the, in the hands in the cookie jar, so to speak.

01:06:51.980 They've thinned that out.

01:06:53.240 I mean, they don't have that, those big deals anymore and all the production and all the producers and all that.

01:06:59.160 They're a little leaner, a little meaner.

01:07:01.040 You got to earn your keep.

01:07:02.100 And if you're doing a job and that job's not that important and you can be replaced by AI, then you're going to be replaced by AI.

01:07:11.060 You're going to have to start thinking about jobs that are more substantial, more meaningful, and have, that cannot be replaced by AI.

01:07:22.020 And like I said, trades.

01:07:25.020 And that doesn't mean rolling around in the dirt all day.

01:07:27.920 It means you can make good money, get a crew together, have, make a great living for your family.

01:07:35.540 And I think that, that hopefully AI will drive the useless people that are filling the cubicles out of their useless cubicles and on to the job site.

01:07:48.720 That's very interesting.

01:07:49.520 And I assumed you would say something along those lines because I agree with you that those jobs are far less likely to be affected.

01:07:56.440 I guess the thing that I probably worry about is what will happen is when you drive those people out of the cubicle is they're not going to go on the job site.

01:08:05.120 No.

01:08:05.320 They're going to say, I'm a victim.

01:08:08.540 I deserve help.

01:08:09.860 And then we're all going to go, well, I guess you do.

01:08:14.660 And then you've got even fewer people working and AI takes over.

01:08:19.940 And you kind of, I guess the logical destination for me is as the jobs disappear, you almost inevitably head towards a kind of, the robots and the AI does everything.

01:08:29.820 And then we have communism, which is everybody gets, you know, you get your set amount of money.

01:08:35.200 Right.

01:08:35.800 From the government.

01:08:36.640 Universal income.

01:08:37.660 Yeah.

01:08:37.840 Yeah.

01:08:38.600 I don't, I don't, not a fan of that.

01:08:40.340 No, I don't imagine you are, but that's kind of what I think about.

01:08:43.780 But I think your point is interesting about maybe people are underestimating the amount of time it will take for this transition to happen and will adjust over time as we have in the past.

01:08:53.780 I think historically it's hard to argue with that.

01:08:56.600 And, and, and, and I also think that the time between the horse and the automobile is lessened each generation.

01:09:07.480 It, it, you know, the technology gets it, brings it faster and it, we're, we're more equipped to handle it in a more efficient, faster way.

01:09:17.240 So I, I, I have faith in humanity that way.

01:09:22.360 Well, Adam, it's always great to have you on.

01:09:24.180 We're going to ask you some questions from our supporters in a second.

01:09:27.120 But as you know, the last question we always ask is what's the one thing we're not talking about that we should be?

01:09:32.540 Uh, gyno-fascism.

01:09:37.340 I figured you'd make that look.

01:09:40.080 It's something I've been thinking about a lot over the last, like, 20 years.

01:09:46.460 Like, we need more women in positions of power.

01:09:49.780 We need more women making the calls and calling the shots.

01:09:53.600 We need a woman president.

01:09:54.680 We need a woman prime minister.

01:09:55.820 We need more feminine presence, like, everywhere.

01:09:59.140 And, and L.A. is, like, mostly women, uh, city council.

01:10:06.020 We have a female mayor.

01:10:07.840 And we don't get anything done.

01:10:10.100 And I started to really think about, like, what, there's a difference between the male brain and the female brain.

01:10:15.740 And the male brain wants to do stuff.

01:10:18.400 Like, go, go, go.

01:10:19.740 Like, if you want to know the difference between the male brain and the female brain, Karen Bass and Donald Trump got together three days after the fires.

01:10:28.300 And Donald Trump was like, let's get going.

01:10:30.420 Move.

01:10:31.240 Clean up those lots.

01:10:32.260 Let's get building.

01:10:33.260 And she was like, slow it down.

01:10:35.400 Slow it down.

01:10:36.860 She is a process person.

01:10:38.840 And women are more likely to be process people.

01:10:42.540 They talk.

01:10:43.320 They want to talk it out.

01:10:44.460 They want to work.

01:10:44.940 They want to have a meeting.

01:10:45.920 And they want to break off and have another meeting.

01:10:47.660 And then we're going to put together a blue ribbon panel.

01:10:50.260 And so in L.A., we have a homeless problem.

01:10:52.940 And the homeless problem keeps getting worse every year.

01:10:55.560 But we keep having more conversations and more panels and more groups.

01:10:59.640 But it's mostly women.

01:11:01.200 And nothing ever gets enacted.

01:11:03.380 And we are heading toward a society that used to be men, men, men, testosterone, testosterone.

01:11:13.760 And by the way, I'm not making this up.

01:11:15.280 You're going to see more articles and stuff coming out that the feminine mind is different.

01:11:20.300 And the feminine mind is also satiated by actually discussing the thing.

01:11:25.960 So if we're sitting here and, you know, you're going, we should take this and move this wall and do a thing.

01:11:33.700 The feminine mind actually feels like we did something, whereas the male mind is like we haven't done anything.

01:11:39.080 We just keep talking about this thing that we're not doing.

01:11:42.020 And it's frustrating versus satiating.

01:11:44.700 So the feminization is causing a huge shift in our culture.

01:11:53.380 We just got crushed by COVID, especially in Los Angeles, because we had a female health director.

01:12:00.020 And by the way, men can be stricken with this.

01:12:02.680 Gavin Newsom's a pussy.

01:12:04.500 And Eric Garcetti, our former mayor, Justin Trudeau thinks like a chick.

01:12:09.540 You can tell, watch them cross their legs.

01:12:12.380 Watch Obama and Trudeau and Newsom.

01:12:15.140 When they cross their legs, it's a full chick.

01:12:18.740 And they're signaling.

01:12:19.960 They're presenting.

01:12:20.740 They're going, I have chicked it.

01:12:22.880 So it's a thing.

01:12:23.860 It's going, it's happening.

01:12:26.000 It's going to happen.

01:12:26.980 And it will fuck up our society because if something like COVID comes around, their plan is nobody leaves their house, shut all the schools.

01:12:36.840 I'm done here.

01:12:38.000 That's not how do we work.

01:12:41.240 How do we deal with the danger?

01:12:43.020 Dealing with the danger is shut, is shut down.

01:12:45.820 Barbara Ferrer, the health whatever crazy witch who ran this town, her plan was just shut it down.

01:12:52.740 Rochelle Walensky, CDC, just no, no nothing.

01:12:56.000 Just, just shut it all down.

01:12:57.400 And by the way, lie, if you have to, to keep it shut down.

01:13:01.140 So there is a gyno-fascism that's sort of coming.

01:13:05.860 And it was a lot of years of like, well, if we just had women in charge, we wouldn't have wars.

01:13:10.080 We wouldn't have crime.

01:13:10.900 We'd have a better society.

01:13:12.240 People would, no, it is not.

01:13:14.440 Los Angeles is basically run by women and is run into the ground.

01:13:19.680 And there's a problem.

01:13:21.980 There's going to continue to be a problem.

01:13:24.260 And we'll, we'll see it growing.

01:13:25.780 You'll see more articles on it.

01:13:27.180 There'll be more tests on it.

01:13:29.180 And it'll be less, oh, Adam is just spouting off because he's a misogynist.

01:13:33.500 No, it's a mindset.

01:13:34.960 It's a female mindset and a male mindset.

01:13:36.780 And it's skewing toward the female and our society is going to suffer.

01:13:41.300 So there was a lady who wrote a viral article about this called Helen Andrews.

01:13:44.500 I take it you read it.

01:13:45.920 I did because everyone sent it to me because they went, this is what you've been saying for 20 years.

01:13:51.560 And we're here.

01:13:52.920 We're going here.

01:13:53.900 And you go, oh, Adam, you're such a douche.

01:13:56.060 You know, nail, knuckle dragon massages.

01:14:00.040 No, women are writing articles on this.

01:14:02.220 There is a difference between men and women.

01:14:04.480 And there's a balance.

01:14:05.800 And it's a good balance.

01:14:06.840 It's a husband and a wife and a child and a home.

01:14:09.580 When you skew it too far, the other direction, the feminine direction, there's going to be consequences.

01:14:15.740 That's going to be our future.

01:14:18.020 Well, she's coming on the show soon.

01:14:19.560 So we'll explore that with her as well.

01:14:22.080 Adam, awesome to have you on.

01:14:23.480 Is she hot?

01:14:24.960 I don't know.

01:14:25.980 I haven't.

01:14:26.900 You've put me really on the spot there.

01:14:29.920 That's the question.

01:14:30.900 Well, tell her I'm a fan because I've never.

01:14:32.800 I'm pretty.

01:14:36.340 I'm not a scholar.

01:14:38.160 And I read every page of that of her article.

01:14:41.840 And I was like.

01:14:43.640 She's dead nuts on.

01:14:44.860 There you go, Helen.

01:14:46.040 Adam is a big fan and we are big fans of yours, Adam.

01:14:48.460 Thanks for giving us your time again.

01:14:50.580 Always so great hanging out with you.

01:14:53.080 Head on over to triggerpod.co.uk where Adam is going to answer your questions.

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01:15:03.320 from that hotel room, how angry are you that your prediction was 100% correct?

01:15:27.140 Getting ready for a game means being ready for anything, like packing a spare stick.

01:15:39.660 I like to be prepared.

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01:15:45.220 It's good to know, just in case.

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TRIGGERnometry - December 07, 2025

Adam Carolla Unfiltered on Immigration, Activism and Women

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