TRIGGERnometry - An Unfiltered Conversation with a Right-Wing Comedian - Nicholas de Santo

00:00:00.360 As a teenager in Iran, I used to listen to the BBC and similar radio stations as the voice of the liberal West and as a beacon of democracy and hope and all that.

00:00:11.600 And then once I got here, I thought that the BBC obviously had changed a lot. Everything is changing here, you know.

00:00:18.240 I just found myself to be working for a mouthpiece of, you know, globalist agenda.

00:00:24.060 When I started doing comedy, I did one of those Unleashed gigs and it went well.

00:00:31.340 The spectator ran a feature and the article somehow made its way to my boss's desks and there my disciplinary troubles started.

00:00:40.200 So you go on any famous BBC presenter's Twitter feed, most of them, the Gary Linekers, they get a free ride.

00:00:47.580 Whereas in my case, they said, no, you can't, you can't do that.

00:00:50.720 And ultimately, I was put on final written warning and I thought, OK, I need to, I need to change my job.

00:01:06.880 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster.

00:01:10.860 I'm Constantine Kissin.

00:01:11.920 And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

00:01:16.580 Our brilliant guest today is a somewhat controversial comedian and YouTuber who we know back from our comedy circuit days, Nicholas DeSanto.

00:01:23.260 Welcome to Trigonometry.

00:01:24.220 Hello, guys. Thanks for inviting me.

00:01:25.760 It's really good to have you. A lot of people have suggested when you just did the headliners on GB News, people were like, it's great to see Constantine on there.

00:01:33.100 Oh, I get that a lot.

00:01:34.300 Yeah. But welcome to the show. Before we get into it, tell everybody who are you, how are you, where you are.

00:01:40.540 What has been your journey through life that leads you to be sitting here talking to us?

00:01:43.780 What a wonderful question. Thanks for having me.

00:01:47.420 I was telling Francis the other day that I'll make history by being the least famous guest of Trigonometry ever by coming on the show.

00:01:54.720 My name is Nicholas DeSanto. I'm a comic based in North London, Italian-Iranian, originally naturalized Brit.

00:02:01.620 I started pursuing my comedy career, if you will, by doing a course taught by Francis Foster, actually.

00:02:10.920 So he was my first comedy instructor sitting right next to you.

00:02:15.760 Yeah. And then I started gigging on the comedy circuit, ups and downs, obviously, because my material is a bit or more than a bit right wing or conservative.

00:02:25.940 Then COVID happened, a big blow to comedy circuit, regardless of your angles.

00:02:32.860 And then I resumed after COVID, like all of us did. And here I am.

00:02:39.240 Yeah. Well, you do a lot of stuff at Unleashed and your videos on the Comedy Unleashed channel have done very well.

00:02:45.180 Your own YouTube channel has grown because of it.

00:02:47.100 Of course, strong, independent women hate Donald Trump because his policies mean that they will ultimately have to pay for birth control. 1.00

00:02:55.460 And if there's anything a strong, independent woman really hates, it's to pay for her own stuff. 1.00

00:03:07.020 Speaking of strong women, Hillary Clinton is still promoting her latest book. It's called What Happened.

00:03:13.000 In this book, described by New York Times as a feminist manifesto, Hillary explains that she lost to Trump because American white women could not resist persuasion from their male family members. 1.00

00:03:26.640 So they went out and voted for Trump. 1.00

00:03:29.960 Don't you just hate it when a feminist candidate cannot smash the glass ceiling because of all these millions of stupid, impressionable women standing in their arms? 1.00

00:03:43.000 I'm glad you got that joke because that could go either way. 1.00

00:03:49.080 Formula One abolished grid girls.

00:03:51.540 You know, grid girls were models wearing kind of revealing skimpy clothes on the racetrack doing promotional activities. 1.00

00:03:58.620 And after Formula One abolished them, some of these girls went on Twitter, lashed out at feminists. 1.00

00:04:04.200 They said, we lost our jobs because of you.

00:04:06.720 But I think it's great.

00:04:08.440 It's great that Formula One did that because in this day and age, we can no longer allow the patriarchy to tell women what to do with their bodies. 0.99

00:04:15.220 It is up to less attractive women. 1.00

00:04:24.640 Any dual citizens in the room?

00:04:27.160 Yeah.

00:04:27.400 People ask me, what is the best thing about having been in solitary confinement in the Islamic Republic of Iran?

00:04:38.120 You know, the silver lining and that stuff.

00:04:41.220 You know, the great thing about having been interrogated by the notorious Iranian intelligence in a dark, cold, hostile room is that this thing is no longer the scariest experience of my life. 0.53

00:04:54.820 You can bet the scariest room I ever experienced, it was in Camden.

00:05:03.200 I did that Hillary joke and some white women didn't get me, so it got kind of nasty. 1.00

00:05:09.820 Anyway, but if I've learned anything from comedy, the golden rule of comedy I'm going to share with you, never, ever blame the audience for a joke that doesn't work.

00:05:19.980 Because a comedian blaming his audience for the joke that doesn't work is like a feminist presidential candidate blaming women for not winning the elections.

00:05:33.540 I don't know if this is true or something you just talked about in your comedy, but you talked about like being detained in Iran or something like that.

00:05:41.340 Yeah, yeah, well, you know, they say talk about what you know or what has happened to you.

00:05:48.280 And of course, it was only two weeks or something.

00:05:51.260 So by Iranian standards, it's nothing. 0.92

00:05:52.140 Two weeks more than most people, to be fair.

00:05:54.440 Enough to give me, you know, some legitimate reason to joke about it or to build material on that.

00:05:59.780 But obviously, anybody coming from that country or having lived in that country has either gone through something similar or knows people who have gone through.

00:06:07.580 My own uncle was a political prisoner for four or five years over there.

00:06:14.500 So, yeah, it's something to talk about.

00:06:16.820 Why did it happen to you?

00:06:19.520 Just a demonstration.

00:06:20.840 You went to a demonstration against the government?

00:06:23.300 Yeah.

00:06:23.920 And you got arrested and put in prison for two weeks?

00:06:25.960 Yeah.

00:06:27.000 But because my father used to work for the government at that time, you know, they give you a hefty bail or something or your father's job is basically the bail.

00:06:35.760 So he gets out and then you try to convince them that you were there, you know, just by accident.

00:06:41.300 And I did a good job of that.

00:06:42.740 Apparently, I'm a good liar or something.

00:06:45.020 Well, you are a comedian.

00:06:46.160 So what's, I mean, I never thought I'd ask this question, but what's an Iranian jail like, Nicholas?

00:06:52.120 You know, often you hear about solitary confinement.

00:06:54.340 I wish I had solitary confinement because when you're crammed, you know, in a big cell, a big number of people.

00:07:00.300 And the worst thing is that you don't know when you're going to get out.

00:07:02.740 And, of course, you meet people who are there for much longer.

00:07:07.320 You meet people who are potentially, can be executed, potential spies, and also all sorts of, you know, terrifying stories.

00:07:17.500 So it's not nice and it's something to give you some food for thought.

00:07:21.960 But when you, you know, like Konstantin, come from a totally different dictatorial reality to the West and you compare and contrast the two realities of people's fears, first world problems, as opposed to, you know, third world problems and gives you some perspective.

00:07:39.160 I imagine it does.

00:07:40.080 And what perspective does it give you?

00:07:42.320 What have you found out about the West after comparing it to your initial experiences in Iran?

00:07:48.320 You know, that made me, let's say, an atypical Italian because I was born in Italy.

00:07:54.580 I was in Iran because my parents were Iranian and took me out against my will.

00:08:00.360 They had the brilliant idea of giving me the opportunity to spend my teenage years in the Islamic Republic of Iran.

00:08:06.860 So being an atypical Italian, I never complain about food, unlike the Italians. 1.00

00:08:12.060 You know, the Italians go all around the world.

00:08:14.080 Oh, this food is terrible.

00:08:14.820 Yeah, we are not in Italy.

00:08:16.020 Food is terrible outside Italy.

00:08:18.000 Get over it.

00:08:18.700 I never complain about food, for example.

00:08:21.200 That's one thing.

00:08:21.840 Okay, so you never complain about food.

00:08:23.620 But look, there's a lot of things that people complain about here.

00:08:26.700 Yeah.

00:08:26.940 And you must think, having spent your teenage years in the Islamic Republic of Iran, oh, come on, guys. 0.97

00:08:33.960 What do we complain about here that you find ridiculous?

00:08:41.360 Well, I don't know, lost baggage at the airport. 0.78

00:08:46.520 Well, some of these things.

00:08:47.740 Obviously, sometimes I complain about it because that was many years ago.

00:08:50.620 So you acclimatize to your new environment.

00:08:54.400 But people like me who come to the West or return to the West because I was born in the West anyway.

00:09:02.020 Italy.

00:09:05.240 It's my first time here, so I'm not going to be too chauvinist.

00:09:10.240 Yeah, that's the cradle of the West.

00:09:12.820 But anyway, I think a lot of us, especially coming from the Islamic Republic, are shocked to see how Islam or Islamic views are given free reign.

00:09:25.540 I joke about it.

00:09:26.180 I say it was easier to criticize Islam in the Islamic Republic than in here. 0.80

00:09:31.300 Probably safer, too.

00:09:32.540 Yeah, obviously it's a joke, but the idea behind it is that all these, you know, attitudes towards diversity at any cost and all cultures being equally valuable and all world rules.

00:09:47.460 And of course, we are seeing the results in France.

00:09:50.240 So I think at the end of the day, the West needs to take a stance and say, look, this is the way we are and this is the reference culture or the prominent or the predominant culture.

00:10:03.100 Whatever comes in has to be in line with it or compatible with it or respectful of it.

00:10:08.880 And then maybe we can go along.

00:10:10.360 But dismantling the West just to be, you know, complacent towards the newcomers leads to catastrophic results, as we are seeing, not just in every Western European country, but more pronounced, the situation right now in France.

00:10:28.400 And these are the views that have made you so popular in the British Republic.

00:10:31.660 On the London circuit.

00:10:32.760 They love me.

00:10:34.360 Yeah.

00:10:35.280 Yeah.

00:10:35.560 Well, you had an interesting career because you actually worked in the BBC.

00:10:40.680 Yeah.

00:10:40.960 While you were starting your comedy career.

00:10:43.660 Yeah.

00:10:44.340 And that wasn't very easy for you, was it?

00:10:47.420 Definitely not.

00:10:49.280 You know, because I came to London to work as a journalist for BBC Persian, which is a Persian TV channel, which is part of the BBC World Service, which broadcasts in more than 30 languages.

00:11:04.160 So that was my dream.

00:11:06.420 And as a teenager in Iran, I used to listen to the BBC and similar radio stations as the voice of the, you know, liberal West and as a beacon of democracy and hope and all that.

00:11:19.440 And then once I got here, I thought that the BBC obviously had changed a lot.

00:11:24.260 Everything is changing here.

00:11:25.700 You know, even things that were acceptable five years ago are, you know, taboos today.

00:11:31.840 But, yeah, I just found myself to be working for the mouthpiece of, you know, globalist agenda on so many areas.

00:11:43.860 And, of course, when I started doing comedy, I did one of those Unleashed gigs and it went well.

00:11:53.020 The spectator ran a feature, it was 2020.

00:12:00.220 It was entitled, The Best Unwoke Comics to Watch in Lockdown.

00:12:05.040 And I was one of the four on that article.

00:12:08.280 And the article somehow made its way to my boss's desks.

00:12:11.900 And there my disciplinary troubles started.

00:12:14.280 The idea was, you are jeopardizing the good impartial name of the BBC.

00:12:19.920 And I wasn't even a public figure because we broadcast overseas in a non-English language.

00:12:25.780 Nobody in this country knew I was working for the BBC.

00:12:29.780 And I was not a public face of the BBC.

00:12:32.200 But in Italy, we have a saying.

00:12:34.560 We say, the law is applied to the enemies and interpreted for the friends.

00:12:40.860 Right?

00:12:41.960 So you go on any famous BBC presenters' Twitter feed, most of them, the Gary Linekers and other ones,

00:12:49.620 and you see where they are coming from.

00:12:51.900 You see what their worldview is.

00:12:53.000 You see what they think about immigration or Trump or Brexit and so on and so forth.

00:12:59.360 But they get a free ride or a free pass.

00:13:03.080 Whereas in my case, they said, no, you can't.

00:13:05.540 You can't do that.

00:13:06.260 And ultimately, I was put on final written warning, suspended from work.

00:13:12.140 And I thought, OK, I need to change my job.

00:13:16.280 So I got out.

00:13:17.660 So was it the nature of the material?

00:13:21.100 And what was it about the nature of the material?

00:13:23.360 Was it the topics you were talking about?

00:13:25.080 Was it the approach that you were talking about?

00:13:27.140 Was it certain jokes that they found too hot to handle, shall we say?

00:13:32.160 Well, there was more than one disciplinary procedures.

00:13:38.180 And of course, they put the files or the complaints in front of you and say, OK, what's going on here?

00:13:45.360 And these are some of the areas or some of the jokes.

00:13:48.100 So obviously, the fact that they were right-wing jokes, it didn't help.

00:13:52.380 But the bottom line, if they wanted to apply the letter of the law or the letter of their terms and conditions, and that's what they wanted to do to me, was that anytime you want to go do any performance anywhere, you should come and run the text.

00:14:11.260 First, you need to get permission to be in that event, even if you are just a panelist, even if it's not comedy.

00:14:17.020 And secondly, you need to run your speech or your comedy routine by the bosses who need prior approval.

00:14:26.040 So it's just imagine you are being heckled by somebody and you want to have an answer to somebody or you want to react to the rumor or something.

00:14:34.120 Hang on a minute.

00:14:34.820 I need to call the BBC editorial hotline to see if they are going to. 0.97

00:14:39.660 Obviously, it was ridiculous.

00:14:41.840 And it was a multitude of complaints because I was also at loggerheads with them over some of our content. 0.85

00:14:50.640 You know, Trump was in power at that time.

00:14:54.460 The Arizona wall, there was a report.

00:14:56.940 I said, this is not impartial.

00:14:59.940 And they said, when you say this is not impartial, you are questioning our impartiality.

00:15:05.020 You are undermining our impartiality by saying this is not impartial.

00:15:08.900 I said, how about the guy who did an impartial report on Trump's wall in Arizona?

00:15:14.260 Maybe he's undermining the impartiality. 0.95

00:15:17.600 It was just ridiculous. 0.92

00:15:19.080 In Italy, we say, 0.82

00:15:20.260 Mathematica non è un opinione.

00:15:22.340 Mathematics is not an opinion.

00:15:23.780 I mean, it's not up for debate.

00:15:25.080 So if you have a report about Trump's wall,

00:15:28.640 and in this five-minute report,

00:15:30.820 you have three people of which two are against the wall.

00:15:35.540 This is already, you know, lopsided.

00:15:38.900 Never mind that the guy who is for the wall, 0.80

00:15:41.680 you've gone for a, you know, wacky guy with a gun.

00:15:44.740 You know, you're trying to depict him.

00:15:46.660 And one of those two in favor of the wall is such a tender activist

00:15:50.880 who is crying while walking on these stairs.

00:15:53.140 And never mind that your own reporter is also against the wall.

00:15:56.980 We talk to those who see Donald Trump's border wall as a betrayal of American ideals.

00:16:02.900 And those for whom there's no price too high to pay to protect all they hold dear.

00:16:16.180 You prepared to use that?

00:16:17.220 Oh yeah, if it comes down to it, I'm coming home.

00:16:21.140 This was surreal.

00:16:25.860 In this report, there is a scene in which calves, little cows,

00:16:31.780 are being separated from their moms to be sold in Oklahoma,

00:16:37.740 as opposed to Arizona where they are being reared.

00:16:40.240 And then the reporter compares that to separating kids from, you know, the immigrants.

00:16:45.500 In what universe is that impartial?

00:16:48.360 And it is sort of juxtaposition of these two things.

00:16:51.100 It takes a few hours to sort the calves for sale, headed for Oklahoma.

00:16:57.560 They'll never see their mothers again.

00:16:59.760 But that's business.

00:17:02.220 Activists say over 500 children remain separated from their families.

00:17:06.580 Building a big wall was only part of the plan.

00:17:09.920 Critics in Congress and human rights groups claimed migrants were being treated like cattle

00:17:14.660 under Donald Trump's zero-tolerance child separation policy to deter illegal migration.

00:17:21.800 Eventually, his administration was forced to change course.

00:17:25.940 Anyway, so eventually it was a Soviet-style or Islamic Republic-style trial

00:17:31.040 where you have a series of allegations, comedy being one of them,

00:17:36.580 but not the only one.

00:17:39.660 And you have to be defended.

00:17:42.240 And I went to the guy, because I was a member of the NUJ, National Union of Journalists.

00:17:49.060 And our rep said, I can't defend you because I'm a feminist 1.00

00:17:52.600 and I believe in the equality of men and women.

00:17:54.980 And I thought, okay, I believe in the equality of men and women as well.

00:17:57.720 But by the way, Milosevic and Saddam Hussein got to have defense.

00:18:01.120 I'm paying 20 bucks per month, for Christ's sake.

00:18:06.000 Yeah, but Saddam didn't do your job. 0.97

00:18:07.660 Yeah, sure, sure.

00:18:08.740 But the fact is...

00:18:13.120 So your own union refused to represent you?

00:18:16.060 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:17.160 And I told the central command of NUJ, and they said,

00:18:22.160 you have a chapel at Persian TV, refer to your own chapel.

00:18:24.920 My chapel guy refused to defend me.

00:18:27.780 I was defended by another union, and another union rep provided to me by Free Speech Union,

00:18:34.400 because I was also a member of Free Speech Union.

00:18:36.140 So I told them, I wrote to them, I said, this is my situation.

00:18:38.700 So they gave me a union rep.

00:18:42.140 They gave me a kind of psychology coach, because they thought I might...

00:18:48.880 Because it was lockdown time, so they thought I might, you know, harm myself or similar things,

00:18:54.520 because my job was on the line, and it was a tough time.

00:18:58.580 So I didn't get fired on that case.

00:19:00.560 It ended up in a final written warning.

00:19:03.020 But I thought, look, if I want to do comedy, I need to get out of here.

00:19:07.240 No, and wasn't there an instance as well where some comedians were talking about reporting you

00:19:13.740 or reported you to your employer because of some of the jokes that you did?

00:19:17.840 Well, the first time this happened to me, they never revealed who actually complained.

00:19:23.980 But I was basically 11 gigs into my comedy career, very early on.

00:19:30.960 And I had done a couple of...

00:19:33.200 I mean, that has to be a record, being reported to your employer for jokes you do after 11 gigs.

00:19:39.540 That's what happens when you do my comedy course.

00:19:41.320 Yeah.

00:19:42.360 Well, yeah, Francis's comedy course I had prepared before all eventualities.

00:19:46.820 But the thing is, I had done a couple of open mics for this guy, this promoter,

00:19:51.500 and he was doing a themed night, which was politics.

00:19:54.560 My good friend, Irish comic, Cahal O'Riordan, he told me,

00:20:04.120 man, in London, when they say politics night, they mean lefty politics night.

00:20:08.760 So I told the guy, look, I'm going to do some right-wing comedy.

00:20:13.020 And he said, okay, it's fine.

00:20:13.920 I told him in writing on Facebook Messenger.

00:20:16.800 But later he said, I thought you were kidding or you were a character actor.

00:20:19.600 So I go there and everybody's anti-Trump.

00:20:22.920 Basically, the emcee slash promoter came on stage and said,

00:20:26.540 okay, let's get this out of the way.

00:20:27.980 Tonight, this is post-Trump election therapy night.

00:20:31.960 So who is against Trump here?

00:20:33.520 Just to make it sure.

00:20:34.560 I was the only one who raised his hand.

00:20:36.500 Really?

00:20:37.540 And basically the night turned into the roast of Nicolas DeSanto.

00:20:41.440 It was no longer, you know, politics night.

00:20:43.240 Every comedian went on there, roasted me, fair enough.

00:20:46.920 And then I did my bit.

00:20:51.300 Didn't go down well with mainly the axe.

00:20:54.500 So the axe went to this promoter.

00:20:56.700 Why did you have him on?

00:20:57.680 And the promoter threw me under the bus.

00:21:00.160 And he said, when these, some of the promoters maybe are,

00:21:04.960 I still need to meet that one who is courageous and say,

00:21:08.980 look, I want to cancel you because I don't agree with you.

00:21:11.620 But they come up with all funny excuses.

00:21:13.360 And this one was like, yeah, you were not accurate.

00:21:19.880 I don't mind, but you were not accurate.

00:21:21.660 Because this was the joke I used to do.

00:21:24.320 I was, I was, I would say, you know, I'm a right-wing comedian.

00:21:28.460 And the downside of being a right-wing comedian is that there's no one else

00:21:32.240 whose material I can copy, you know.

00:21:34.840 And he was like, you implied that you are the only right-wing comedian in the country.

00:21:40.480 But there's also Andrew Lawrence and Leo Kers.

00:21:44.060 So, okay, so it makes three of us.

00:21:45.500 The point is it's still valid, isn't it?

00:21:47.400 When Omid Jalili says, I'm the only Iranian comic in the world,

00:21:51.520 do they ban him because he claims that?

00:21:53.860 Obviously, the point is that.

00:21:55.140 But anyway, so next day on his Facebook page of this comedy club,

00:22:01.000 there was a big debate.

00:22:02.160 He had a review for everybody.

00:22:03.720 And he gave a bad review just for me.

00:22:06.020 And he was trying to be edgy but failed.

00:22:09.300 And I thought, you know, I told you I was going to do this

00:22:13.040 and there's no need for you to throw me under.

00:22:15.180 So there a debate started in this public group.

00:22:17.760 And then the headliner, no less, of that night comes on.

00:22:22.080 He had researched my real Iranian surname and my day job, my employer.

00:22:27.240 Oh, don't you work for the BBC?

00:22:28.800 Aren't you supposed to be impartial?

00:22:30.200 Isn't this your name?

00:22:31.140 And of course, soon enough, I was called to my boss's office.

00:22:36.180 I can't say for sure that that was actually, you know, the trigger.

00:22:42.220 But yeah, he basically outed me, a fellow comic.

00:22:46.080 And one thing that really annoys me is that a lot of times,

00:22:54.280 it's not even the audience who complain.

00:22:56.640 It's fellow comics or the MC who just throw you under the bus.

00:23:04.600 And why do you think that is, Nicholas?

00:23:06.820 I don't know.

00:23:08.000 Because being illiberal, although they call themselves liberal,

00:23:14.320 maybe envy, jealousy, and also maybe viewing comedy

00:23:19.940 the way they view any other activity in life.

00:23:24.620 As people who see themselves, the lefties,

00:23:28.580 as depositories of the truth, right?

00:23:31.880 Like the communists.

00:23:32.920 They have already seen the end of times.

00:23:35.340 It's going to be like that.

00:23:36.820 And Islam is the same. 1.00

00:23:38.660 By the end, everybody will be Muslim or communist. 1.00

00:23:41.520 So anything is legitimate to get rid of, you know,

00:23:45.400 people who don't agree with you.

00:23:47.320 So it's not like, okay, I'm a comic.

00:23:49.540 I have, because this is what I like about comedy.

00:23:51.920 It's the most direct form of art or craft.

00:23:56.360 It's not like you do a painting and say, okay, you don't like it.

00:23:59.000 You don't understand.

00:23:59.760 Maybe after my death, like Van Gogh, I'll be famous.

00:24:03.820 I'll be appreciated.

00:24:04.840 And people will say I was ahead of my time.

00:24:06.640 In comedy, in stand-up, the reaction, the judgment is immediate.

00:24:11.080 So people either like you or they don't like you.

00:24:13.160 And if I have bombed, if I have bombed or when I have bombed,

00:24:16.800 so I have already bombed.

00:24:18.120 I have already got the verdict.

00:24:19.420 What is the reason for you to go and complain to the venue owner

00:24:24.500 or to my day job employer or write a bad review about me,

00:24:31.700 which even, by the way, doesn't, doesn't.

00:24:34.560 I know I'm putting a lot of meat on the grill, like we say, in Italy.

00:24:39.640 But this is another thing.

00:24:40.980 I did a competition.

00:24:42.100 I was in the final of Natty's New Act of the Year at Hackney Empire.

00:24:47.040 It's a very prestigious competition.

00:24:48.480 Yeah, thank you.

00:24:49.000 To this day, it's my best result competition-wise.

00:24:51.500 I was in the final.

00:24:53.240 I didn't win, but I was a finalist.

00:24:55.000 I have the clip, and I got two applause breaks.

00:24:58.380 And in Evening Standard, the reviewer says,

00:25:00.640 Oh, yeah, people, as soon as right-wing comic Nicholas DeSanto came on stage,

00:25:05.480 people slumped back in their chairs.

00:25:06.900 I have it on tape.

00:25:07.800 I have two applause breaks in five minutes.

00:25:10.360 So why would you lie anyway?

00:25:13.100 You know?

00:25:13.800 So to get back to your question,

00:25:15.720 I think any means is legitimate for them just to bring you down,

00:25:21.900 which, to put it quite concisely, cancel culture.

00:25:27.000 They just want to cancel you.

00:25:27.960 Hey, KK, do you like trigonometry?

00:25:31.880 Of course I do.

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00:26:29.940 And it's interesting as well because I remember following that

00:26:34.860 because I knew you and I liked you and I thought you showed great promise as a comment.

00:26:38.100 You were very funny.

00:26:39.080 Thanks.

00:26:39.660 But I remember looking at this particular Facebook group

00:26:43.000 because it popped up on my feed,

00:26:44.620 and they were openly talking about it.

00:26:47.480 Yeah.

00:26:48.160 And what gave me some encouragement and some comfort

00:26:52.180 was that some fellow comics and promoters who,

00:26:56.120 we live in London,

00:26:57.440 tend to be, if anything, lefties or, you know, left-oriented,

00:27:01.960 actually came out in my support,

00:27:03.780 some privately, some publicly.

00:27:06.260 You know, Alfie Noakes is another London promoter.

00:27:08.840 He's a raging, you know, lefty.

00:27:12.920 But he kept giving me spots.

00:27:15.980 He said, you know, I want you to come on stage.

00:27:18.520 You have something different to say,

00:27:20.360 and it's important, you know, for, you know,

00:27:23.500 that's true diversity, if you like.

00:27:26.460 So it wasn't all bad, thankfully,

00:27:30.240 but that's the sort of circuit that we are dealing with,

00:27:34.360 and I'm sure you're well aware as well.

00:27:36.560 Yeah, and it's not the first time as well.

00:27:38.580 You told me about a very prestigious comedy club

00:27:40.960 when you were, if you remember,

00:27:42.920 when we were on the phone having a chat with each other.

00:27:45.180 Yeah.

00:27:45.600 Talk about that, because I couldn't believe this.

00:27:49.300 Yeah, this one is near Crouch End.

00:27:52.680 I live in North London, so I like this club.

00:27:55.240 Very nice venue.

00:27:57.420 Quite, by London standards, local to me.

00:27:59.860 We used to do this.

00:28:03.340 Obviously, this was, again, my early days,

00:28:06.820 and I would do this Tuesday or Thursday night,

00:28:11.220 which was sort of an open mic,

00:28:12.660 for which tickets were sold,

00:28:14.520 but open micers wouldn't get paid,

00:28:16.260 because the premise being that,

00:28:19.060 okay, you are just learning the ropes,

00:28:21.280 and you are not maybe good enough to be paid,

00:28:23.220 but we give you the opportunity.

00:28:24.420 Fair enough, and I like that.

00:28:25.320 I did that a couple of times, and it went well.

00:28:28.260 The third time I do it,

00:28:29.560 I try a couple of pro-life jokes.

00:28:32.600 Didn't go well.

00:28:33.660 Surprise, surprise.

00:28:35.520 And the owner actually was not in that night,

00:28:38.160 but he records all performances.

00:28:40.280 And next time I call him to get a spot,

00:28:43.640 he says, no, somebody complained.

00:28:45.560 He never said who complained.

00:28:47.180 I suspect it was the emcee, no less,

00:28:49.440 but I can be sure,

00:28:50.460 because the emcee right after me went on stage

00:28:53.360 and threw me under the bus anyway.

00:28:57.520 But I said, yeah, you did these pro-life jokes,

00:29:05.960 these anti-abortion jokes.

00:29:07.240 Have you or your wife, girlfriend,

00:29:09.280 ever had abortions?

00:29:10.640 No, I'm anti-abortion.

00:29:13.460 What does that have to do with anything?

00:29:15.880 And I said, no, I don't mind right-wing,

00:29:18.340 talking about excuse it.

00:29:19.560 I don't mind right-wing,

00:29:20.860 but you are not funny.

00:29:22.000 I'm not supposed to be funny.

00:29:23.420 That's why you don't pay us.

00:29:24.980 It's open mic.

00:29:26.280 Was the guy talking about Trump's small hand funny?

00:29:29.220 Was the guy talking about Trump's funny hair funny?

00:29:32.200 Again, these were Trump years.

00:29:34.740 So can I come back maybe in six months?

00:29:36.680 No, you have,

00:29:38.280 it seems to me that you have taken this path.

00:29:42.380 So indefinitely, indefinitely banned.

00:29:47.680 And he later won an award at Chortle,

00:29:51.480 one of the most known comedy publications in the UK

00:29:57.920 for the most supportive venue

00:29:59.760 or the most supportive behind-the-scenes promoter.

00:30:05.580 But yeah, that's also another episode.

00:30:09.780 But it's great that you have Comedy Unleashed,

00:30:11.860 which are giving you spots,

00:30:12.860 and the videos that they put out of you

00:30:14.700 have done really, really well.

00:30:16.800 Yeah.

00:30:17.440 I mean, I'm very grateful.

00:30:19.860 Comedy Unleashed is really one of a handful

00:30:22.040 of venues around London

00:30:24.980 who give me or people like me

00:30:28.600 a platform to perform.

00:30:32.280 Of course, it's a very nice club,

00:30:33.920 backyard comedy club,

00:30:35.800 big room professionally.

00:30:37.740 They film it.

00:30:39.080 And thank God for YouTube

00:30:41.400 or Rumble or alternative platforms

00:30:44.400 because then you get some validation,

00:30:47.000 encouragement.

00:30:47.640 People all around the world see my videos.

00:30:51.100 Somebody invited me from the US

00:30:52.340 to go and do a private gig for them

00:30:54.500 last October.

00:30:56.140 So that's been nice.

00:30:57.160 I did this pro-life set in January,

00:31:03.020 but I think the right sort of Americans

00:31:06.160 shared it a couple of months later

00:31:08.060 and somehow the algorithm,

00:31:11.440 the gods of the algorithm were kind to me

00:31:13.840 and it picked up

00:31:16.280 and it's been seen 710,000 times so far.

00:31:22.300 And so I got a lot of positive feedback

00:31:24.740 from people in Australia, India,

00:31:27.320 mostly in America.

00:31:29.100 So that's been good.

00:31:30.920 Disney Corporation is paying travel expenses

00:31:33.780 for its employees

00:31:35.600 so they can travel to blue states

00:31:37.980 and get an abortion. 1.00

00:31:39.420 I mean, Disney produces content for children

00:31:42.160 and now they're subsidizing

00:31:43.600 the killing of children?

00:31:46.280 I mean, it doesn't make sense.

00:31:48.040 You're killing your own future customers.

00:31:49.580 It's like Central London

00:31:53.740 declaring war on Russian oligarchs.

00:31:57.580 It makes no sense.

00:32:01.180 So Disney, in a statement,

00:32:04.340 Disney said we are doing this

00:32:05.880 because we understand

00:32:06.840 women's reproductive rights. 1.00

00:32:09.340 What we don't understand is irony.

00:32:13.900 But now in America,

00:32:15.580 Planned Parenthood,

00:32:16.480 they are coming with

00:32:17.120 mobile abortion clinics.

00:32:18.680 They are using these RV wagons,

00:32:21.800 turning them into

00:32:23.520 mobile abortion clinics,

00:32:24.680 driving close to the borders

00:32:26.240 of the red states,

00:32:27.820 trying to lure pregnant women 1.00

00:32:29.240 to these clinics.

00:32:30.900 I mean, that is some

00:32:31.800 serious commitment, isn't it?

00:32:33.740 These people must really, 1.00

00:32:35.840 really love killing black babies 1.00

00:32:38.680 because they're all black. 1.00

00:32:40.760 Mostly, you know, 0.99

00:32:41.720 every second black baby 0.99

00:32:44.320 in America is aborted. 0.98

00:32:45.360 Did you know that?

00:32:45.880 I mean, you can try.

00:32:48.680 Wrong laugh.

00:32:51.240 Okay.

00:32:55.920 You can try not to laugh,

00:32:57.420 but you cannot not learn.

00:33:00.780 Yeah.

00:33:02.200 I mean, even the Nazis 0.90

00:33:03.020 were not like that.

00:33:03.920 They didn't come up with,

00:33:04.960 you know,

00:33:05.800 their iconic Volkswagen camper vans

00:33:09.280 driving close to the Swiss border

00:33:12.420 with their mobile gas chambers,

00:33:14.400 trying to tempt the Swiss 0.99

00:33:15.600 to give up their Jews. 0.56

00:33:18.420 The Nazis had principles. 0.92

00:33:21.380 We have,

00:33:22.080 we have,

00:33:22.760 we have in the principle,

00:33:24.240 the principle,

00:33:25.140 if we,

00:33:25.600 if we conquer the land,

00:33:27.760 fair and square, 0.98

00:33:28.600 we exterminate. 0.85

00:33:29.480 Otherwise, 0.93

00:33:30.120 we don't just drive and...

00:33:32.160 They didn't do that.

00:33:35.220 By the way,

00:33:39.720 what sort of messed up cynical name

00:33:42.620 is it,

00:33:43.340 Planned Parenthood?

00:33:44.440 Because there's no planning

00:33:45.580 and there's no parenthood.

00:33:47.880 I'm planning to become a parent.

00:33:49.820 Okay, 1.00

00:33:49.940 let's start with killing your baby. 1.00

00:33:51.780 By the time you leave the clinic, 1.00

00:33:53.360 there is no parenthood.

00:33:55.680 It's like,

00:33:56.200 I am planning my visit to Australia

00:33:58.280 and I start by shredding

00:33:59.680 my tickets to Australia.

00:34:02.400 I think it's a great

00:34:05.060 development,

00:34:09.720 if you like,

00:34:10.540 that nowadays comics,

00:34:12.760 up and coming comics like me,

00:34:14.940 that's the term,

00:34:15.660 isn't it,

00:34:16.380 do not totally rely

00:34:18.180 on the traditional gatekeepers

00:34:20.680 of truth and funniness,

00:34:23.520 being it's the TV producers

00:34:26.780 or the usual comedy club promoters.

00:34:30.460 The thing is,

00:34:31.040 I don't know whether

00:34:31.740 this was always true,

00:34:32.720 but in my time,

00:34:33.800 doing all the competitions

00:34:35.840 and all the clubs

00:34:37.100 and whatever,

00:34:38.080 and I'm not speaking

00:34:38.980 about myself,

00:34:39.860 I never had any issue

00:34:41.360 with that,

00:34:41.920 but I always saw

00:34:43.020 that the people

00:34:43.700 they were picking

00:34:44.360 were not necessarily

00:34:45.500 the funniest people,

00:34:46.560 but they were the people

00:34:47.320 who fit whatever was

00:34:49.160 the view at the time

00:34:50.780 of what comedy should be.

00:34:52.300 Exactly.

00:34:52.800 Right?

00:34:52.980 So somebody could go on

00:34:54.740 and crush,

00:34:56.000 but it didn't really matter

00:34:56.980 because the people

00:34:58.160 who were picking

00:34:58.840 the comedy winners

00:35:00.100 or who gets to go

00:35:01.620 on a TV show,

00:35:02.320 whatever,

00:35:03.040 they tended to pick

00:35:03.980 who they agreed with,

00:35:06.300 you know,

00:35:06.860 whose comedy they thought

00:35:08.280 represented the future

00:35:09.540 of comedy, 0.92

00:35:10.000 whatever the fuck that means. 0.86

00:35:10.940 Exactly. 0.99

00:35:12.040 It's a bit like the Oscars

00:35:13.260 or Cannes.

00:35:13.900 Yeah,

00:35:14.200 and it's self-fulfilling

00:35:15.680 because they're the ones

00:35:16.700 that decide

00:35:17.400 what the future of comedy is

00:35:18.840 by picking the people

00:35:19.760 they have decided

00:35:20.520 are going to be

00:35:20.960 the future of comedy.

00:35:21.780 So they set the taste

00:35:23.640 and they said,

00:35:24.540 well,

00:35:24.720 they don't set the taste

00:35:25.500 because the people

00:35:25.940 stopped watching the shows,

00:35:26.960 but they set the way

00:35:28.600 that that was being done.

00:35:30.640 And as you say,

00:35:31.920 where we are now,

00:35:34.060 you know,

00:35:34.380 you don't need gatekeepers.

00:35:36.200 You've got,

00:35:37.100 your YouTube channel

00:35:38.420 is growing nicely.

00:35:40.540 You went from like 7,000

00:35:42.060 to 30,000

00:35:42.860 off the back of one video,

00:35:44.200 the one you're talking about.

00:35:45.600 You'll get some more viewers

00:35:46.800 after this,

00:35:47.360 I'm sure.

00:35:47.700 So this is the exciting thing

00:35:49.940 that I think not enough people

00:35:51.160 really are taking advantage of

00:35:53.140 is like there are no gatekeepers

00:35:55.400 that can stop you

00:35:56.180 making good content

00:35:57.020 on the internet.

00:35:58.020 Yeah.

00:35:58.440 And then you can make

00:35:59.720 whatever you want

00:36:00.280 and then,

00:36:00.980 well,

00:36:01.440 I mean,

00:36:01.940 in Leo's case,

00:36:02.720 you still can't talk

00:36:03.800 because they won't give you a venue.

00:36:05.140 But broadly speaking,

00:36:06.680 the idea still works,

00:36:08.160 which is you can create

00:36:09.320 your own stuff.

00:36:10.480 Exactly.

00:36:11.000 And it helps you

00:36:12.300 in terms of legitimacy,

00:36:13.820 in terms of validation,

00:36:15.860 some sort of gratification

00:36:17.360 and motivation

00:36:17.960 to give you the force

00:36:18.860 to go ahead

00:36:19.260 because it's a big sacrifice.

00:36:21.140 You know,

00:36:21.280 I'm not a 20-year-old.

00:36:22.440 I have a family to support.

00:36:24.180 I need to get out of the house,

00:36:26.140 you know,

00:36:26.440 travel,

00:36:27.760 take time off my family,

00:36:30.960 my kids.

00:36:32.560 And it has to be,

00:36:34.340 obviously,

00:36:34.780 content-wise,

00:36:35.480 it has to be something worth it.

00:36:37.340 And that's why I,

00:36:38.540 with all due respect,

00:36:39.900 and I respect people

00:36:40.600 who do everyday mundane aspects funny,

00:36:44.060 but I don't talk about,

00:36:45.100 you know,

00:36:45.380 airline food or Tinder

00:36:46.500 or dating

00:36:47.120 or because somebody else

00:36:49.180 might be doing it better

00:36:50.200 than I am already.

00:36:52.340 But what I think is that,

00:36:56.020 again,

00:36:56.900 going back to my background,

00:36:58.580 maybe it wasn't a huge deal

00:37:00.080 for me being cancelled

00:37:01.600 from this club

00:37:02.980 or that club.

00:37:03.760 It was obviously very annoying

00:37:05.040 and very perplexing.

00:37:06.660 No doubt about that.

00:37:08.300 But for someone

00:37:11.160 who has been in jail

00:37:12.500 albeit for two weeks

00:37:13.780 and has worked with

00:37:15.080 maybe an Iranian TV channel

00:37:17.280 seeing images of destruction

00:37:19.100 and, you know,

00:37:20.040 mass graves

00:37:20.940 and because that's the news

00:37:22.220 when you cover it,

00:37:23.160 there's so much worse

00:37:24.980 that you've seen

00:37:25.800 that maybe being,

00:37:27.500 you know,

00:37:28.260 grasped by your fellow comic

00:37:30.220 to your day job

00:37:31.100 is not the most traumatic experience

00:37:33.740 of your life.

00:37:34.220 But similar episodes

00:37:37.660 can really discourage

00:37:39.440 and put off another young comic

00:37:41.380 who comes on

00:37:42.940 and the circuit

00:37:44.400 or the competition results

00:37:47.960 or judges

00:37:48.780 or reviewers

00:37:49.920 treat him as if

00:37:52.080 his material is not worth

00:37:53.620 and he might just,

00:37:54.400 you know,

00:37:55.020 give it up.

00:37:56.260 Whereas if you have

00:37:57.260 some alternative platforms,

00:37:58.880 you think,

00:37:59.180 oh,

00:37:59.300 maybe I am doing something right.

00:38:00.660 Maybe I have something to say.

00:38:01.980 Maybe if they say,

00:38:03.680 okay,

00:38:03.920 you have never been

00:38:04.600 on the BBC

00:38:05.420 or Comedy Central,

00:38:06.440 okay,

00:38:06.840 no,

00:38:07.080 but this is my channel.

00:38:08.280 This is my,

00:38:09.240 you know,

00:38:10.800 followership.

00:38:12.760 So,

00:38:13.420 so it is a new source of,

00:38:15.660 an alternative source of

00:38:16.800 legitimacy and motivation,

00:38:18.540 which is,

00:38:19.040 which is very important.

00:38:20.240 Absolutely.

00:38:21.040 And also as well,

00:38:22.320 what was a disadvantage

00:38:23.700 to you on the comedy circuit

00:38:25.140 because you had a different way

00:38:26.620 of looking at the world?

00:38:27.460 You joked about different subjects.

00:38:29.760 All of a sudden,

00:38:30.660 you go online,

00:38:32.160 people want that content.

00:38:33.720 They're thirsty for it.

00:38:34.760 Because they're not getting it elsewhere.

00:38:36.080 And it's all about turning,

00:38:38.620 talk about turning a disadvantage

00:38:41.460 into an opportunity,

00:38:42.800 right?

00:38:43.520 It makes you more memorable.

00:38:45.380 A lot of people,

00:38:46.040 even on,

00:38:46.500 on London comedy circuit,

00:38:47.700 sometimes people maybe secretly,

00:38:50.640 but after the show,

00:38:51.640 in the interval,

00:38:52.160 they come to me and say,

00:38:52.800 oh,

00:38:53.040 thank God.

00:38:54.080 I,

00:38:54.560 I,

00:38:54.700 I agree,

00:38:55.800 but I would have never dared

00:38:57.000 saying what you're saying

00:38:58.360 or you are so,

00:38:59.540 this is,

00:39:00.220 your comedy is so refreshing,

00:39:01.900 right?

00:39:02.120 And similar thing on,

00:39:04.060 on YouTube or,

00:39:05.280 or,

00:39:05.540 or elsewhere.

00:39:06.740 People are tired of same old,

00:39:08.920 same old,

00:39:09.380 because the,

00:39:10.120 the comedy gatekeepers

00:39:12.120 have decided that,

00:39:13.200 yeah,

00:39:13.320 this year or these five years,

00:39:15.660 it's all about comedians

00:39:17.000 talking about their struggles

00:39:18.340 with mental health.

00:39:20.420 Or your show is,

00:39:21.980 is,

00:39:22.280 is,

00:39:22.640 is worthy because your show 0.99

00:39:24.240 is about your racist dad 0.99

00:39:25.780 who eventually comes to accept 0.98

00:39:27.580 that,

00:39:28.020 you know,

00:39:28.420 gays or non-whites are cool. 1.00

00:39:30.820 So this is your show. 0.55

00:39:32.160 So,

00:39:32.460 so they want just,

00:39:33.860 they,

00:39:34.040 they,

00:39:34.160 they use comedy,

00:39:35.300 uh,

00:39:36.180 as a vehicle for carrying

00:39:38.440 the specific message or agenda,

00:39:40.760 which would have been fine

00:39:41.580 because I do the same thing,

00:39:42.800 but they,

00:39:44.340 they are giving their,

00:39:45.740 the,

00:39:46.000 the,

00:39:46.220 the,

00:39:46.480 the airwaves and the stage time

00:39:48.800 to only that sort of message,

00:39:51.300 you know,

00:39:51.700 and call it diversity at the same time.

00:39:54.620 So,

00:39:56.100 so,

00:39:56.500 so yes,

00:39:57.040 basically,

00:39:57.820 um,

00:39:59.140 people are,

00:39:59.920 are,

00:40:00.120 have a thirst for this kind of content.

00:40:02.900 And if they don't,

00:40:03.940 I mean,

00:40:04.140 we,

00:40:04.300 we know clubs are not doing so well

00:40:06.360 for,

00:40:06.720 for a variety of reasons,

00:40:07.840 but this is one of them.

00:40:08.900 Obviously COVID didn't help.

00:40:10.500 Netflix,

00:40:11.140 uh,

00:40:11.420 TV on demand doesn't help.

00:40:13.220 Uh,

00:40:13.420 clubs are struggling.

00:40:14.720 Um,

00:40:15.080 Netflix is struggling.

00:40:16.680 Um,

00:40:17.280 Saturday,

00:40:17.860 Saturday night live is struggling.

00:40:20.520 Um,

00:40:22.040 so people,

00:40:22.640 people are looking for a different message

00:40:24.220 and a different kind of comedy.

00:40:25.680 The,

00:40:25.920 the way comedy was supposed to be.

00:40:28.000 Yeah.

00:40:28.440 And Nicholas,

00:40:28.840 and why are you right wing?

00:40:32.580 Ha ha.

00:40:36.300 Well,

00:40:37.040 I guess a lot of it has to,

00:40:39.240 has to do with my,

00:40:40.160 with my background.

00:40:41.380 Um,

00:40:41.860 again,

00:40:42.580 maybe nobody is right wing on every issue

00:40:44.960 and left wing on every issue,

00:40:47.480 but,

00:40:48.560 um,

00:40:49.500 mass immigration

00:40:50.560 is,

00:40:51.860 is a,

00:40:52.180 is a big problem for me.

00:40:53.360 You don't want competition.

00:40:54.720 Are the Iranian Italians coming over here 1.00

00:40:57.280 to do your jobs?

00:40:58.120 Exactly.

00:40:58.680 Exactly.

00:40:59.260 I mean,

00:40:59.440 how many do we need?

00:41:00.380 I'm already here.

00:41:01.600 People say,

00:41:01.920 oh,

00:41:02.060 so you came here,

00:41:03.500 you came here and you don't want to,

00:41:05.000 why do you think I got away from them

00:41:06.420 in the first place?

00:41:07.200 If they come,

00:41:07.940 you know,

00:41:08.720 um,

00:41:09.780 there's some,

00:41:10.400 some,

00:41:10.680 some comedy vein in there.

00:41:12.340 And,

00:41:12.840 um,

00:41:13.280 more importantly,

00:41:14.820 from Italian perspective,

00:41:16.620 you know,

00:41:17.120 if,

00:41:18.400 if you drop a couple of,

00:41:19.720 um,

00:41:20.500 water drops in a glass of wine,

00:41:22.900 wine is still wine.

00:41:24.800 But if the glass of wine becomes 20%,

00:41:26.940 30%,

00:41:27.460 40% water,

00:41:29.040 it's no longer wine,

00:41:30.640 you know?

00:41:31.100 So I think,

00:41:33.100 uh,

00:41:33.680 it is important,

00:41:34.640 uh,

00:41:35.480 for,

00:41:36.200 as I alluded to this,

00:41:37.440 uh,

00:41:37.820 at the beginning,

00:41:38.720 that the identity and the demographics

00:41:41.480 of these countries be protected

00:41:44.320 because anywhere else in the world,

00:41:46.700 it's sacrosanct.

00:41:48.100 But when it comes to white people,

00:41:49.480 when it comes to Western nations,

00:41:50.800 when it comes,

00:41:51.340 it comes to,

00:41:51.980 uh,

00:41:52.320 white Europeans,

00:41:53.460 it's,

00:41:54.340 it's suddenly taboo and it's,

00:41:56.100 and it's racist to,

00:41:57.200 to,

00:41:57.600 to,

00:41:58.260 to,

00:41:58.540 to have this desire to preserve your,

00:42:01.140 your brethren,

00:42:01.960 to preserve your culture,

00:42:03.280 to preserve your language,

00:42:04.580 your way of life and your ideals.

00:42:06.840 Anywhere else in the world is acceptable,

00:42:09.820 is encouraged,

00:42:10.940 right?

00:42:11.560 Nobody goes to Nigeria saying,

00:42:13.360 why aren't you taking more,

00:42:14.320 more migrants,

00:42:15.160 or why don't you have more white people 0.62

00:42:16.600 on your,

00:42:17.220 on your TV shows?

00:42:18.700 Nobody goes to say the same thing

00:42:20.380 to Japan or Malaysia

00:42:21.500 or anywhere else.

00:42:22.840 Um,

00:42:23.580 so,

00:42:24.180 so that's that.

00:42:24.880 And of course,

00:42:25.280 I'm in favor of smaller government,

00:42:27.760 uh,

00:42:28.120 less intrusion from the government.

00:42:29.880 These are other right wing talking points,

00:42:32.840 uh,

00:42:33.480 traditional values,

00:42:35.140 family.

00:42:35.940 I think traditional family is,

00:42:37.540 is really under threat,

00:42:38.620 uh,

00:42:39.620 marriage.

00:42:40.160 So a series of,

00:42:41.060 a series of,

00:42:42.220 um,

00:42:42.860 talking points and areas where I find myself on the,

00:42:47.140 on the conservative side.

00:42:49.120 And you said the,

00:42:51.500 did you say families under threat or traditional values under threat?

00:42:55.000 Well,

00:42:55.140 both of them.

00:42:55.720 Uh,

00:42:56.220 and what do you mean by that?

00:42:58.040 Um,

00:42:58.520 well,

00:42:58.780 we know nowadays the definition of family has become overstretched.

00:43:03.580 You know,

00:43:04.320 uh,

00:43:04.760 marriage is no longer what it was.

00:43:07.680 Uh,

00:43:08.120 we have so much divorce.

00:43:09.380 We have single parenthood,

00:43:11.220 single motherhood actively encouraged.

00:43:14.180 Um,

00:43:14.660 if you look at the U S but not just the U S say single moms are voting Biden. 1.00

00:43:19.920 So Biden is the daddy of these kids and they call themselves independent.

00:43:23.580 I mean,

00:43:23.740 I have a bit.

00:43:25.880 I talked about this in Newcastle.

00:43:27.820 It didn't go down so well,

00:43:28.800 but,

00:43:29.080 uh,

00:43:29.880 I'm talking about the phenomenon.

00:43:32.580 I mean,

00:43:32.600 if,

00:43:32.800 if you have,

00:43:33.420 if you're,

00:43:34.140 who is a CEO of Trigonobici,

00:43:36.640 she's going to be livid.

00:43:37.680 But anyway,

00:43:38.020 you carry on.

00:43:38.820 Oh,

00:43:39.040 okay.

00:43:39.220 I carry on.

00:43:40.060 Uh,

00:43:40.200 that's my own risk.

00:43:40.940 But,

00:43:41.280 um,

00:43:41.880 I mean,

00:43:42.120 if,

00:43:42.400 if,

00:43:42.700 if your husband or the, 1.00

00:43:44.200 your partner was a jerk and he left you or God forbid something happened to him or, 1.00

00:43:49.300 or whatever, 1.00

00:43:49.800 it's fine.

00:43:50.780 But I'm talking about the phenomenon,

00:43:52.800 single mother by choice.

00:43:54.780 They have their Facebook groups and they're working.

00:43:56.740 Yeah.

00:43:56.880 I want to raise a child on my own independently.

00:43:59.860 I don't need a dad.

00:44:01.300 So maybe I just get pregnant by,

00:44:02.820 by somebody or,

00:44:04.120 or go to the sperm bank and I raise it independently.

00:44:07.820 And you're on benefits.

00:44:08.900 In what universe is it independence?

00:44:10.800 Everybody's paying for,

00:44:12.980 for you to raise this child independently without thinking about the consequences.

00:44:17.300 I believe the child ideally needs a father and a mother.

00:44:21.520 Okay.

00:44:21.680 Not just one mother,

00:44:22.520 not two mothers or two fathers.

00:44:25.540 Uh,

00:44:26.300 then of course,

00:44:27.720 if it's an orphan in,

00:44:29.060 in,

00:44:29.320 in an orphanage,

00:44:30.480 you can argue,

00:44:31.420 okay,

00:44:31.500 what is best to have at least one parent rather than growing up in an orphanage.

00:44:35.040 I get that.

00:44:36.220 But when we see that our culture,

00:44:39.980 our mainstream media,

00:44:42.120 our content providers,

00:44:44.320 be it maybe Hollywood,

00:44:45.760 the film industry,

00:44:46.960 comedy circuit,

00:44:47.680 they encourage women to do it on their own,

00:44:51.800 without the dad,

00:44:53.660 but of course,

00:44:54.400 off the back of the taxpayer.

00:44:55.960 I don't think this is the right,

00:44:57.540 uh,

00:44:57.920 the right path.

00:45:00.620 I don't think,

00:45:01.860 um,

00:45:03.340 the,

00:45:04.480 the traditional family needs to be undermined because their results will be, 1.00

00:45:09.320 will be catastrophic.

00:45:10.600 And I think,

00:45:11.980 um,

00:45:12.580 um,

00:45:12.600 as our,

00:45:14.880 um,

00:45:16.060 um,

00:45:16.420 current Italian prime minister,

00:45:17.960 who is a woman,

00:45:18.700 by the way,

00:45:19.180 and not much to the liking of feminists, 1.00

00:45:21.260 uh,

00:45:22.640 she said something,

00:45:23.720 um,

00:45:25.780 along these lines,

00:45:27.140 that,

00:45:27.540 uh,

00:45:27.720 these global forces,

00:45:28.760 they want to make everything relative,

00:45:31.700 everything,

00:45:32.280 a social construct,

00:45:33.540 everything arbitrary,

00:45:34.940 devoid us.

00:45:36.240 We,

00:45:36.460 we become devoid of all elements of identity because then it's easier to,

00:45:41.500 to dominate us when everybody becomes somebody who is beige.

00:45:44.420 So race doesn't matter.

00:45:47.140 Uh,

00:45:48.180 uh,

00:45:48.800 culture doesn't matter.

00:45:51.160 Gender doesn't matter because when gender becomes arbitrary and you can change it.

00:45:55.580 Any moment you feel like,

00:45:57.580 then it's,

00:45:58.060 it's not a defining element of your identity.

00:46:00.380 When you have nothing,

00:46:01.420 they,

00:46:01.740 they go after religion.

00:46:02.700 They go after family.

00:46:03.680 They go after nationality and nationalism and patriotism.

00:46:06.640 They go after all these things.

00:46:08.020 So we all become atomized,

00:46:10.760 right?

00:46:12.260 Individuals just looking to,

00:46:14.160 uh,

00:46:14.420 consume as much as possible and work for minimum wage or less than minimum wage

00:46:19.780 because they have also removed the borders.

00:46:21.440 So you can't demand rights because the guy is coming from that third world country 1.00

00:46:26.960 who is happy to work for less.

00:46:29.100 So,

00:46:29.800 so ultimately,

00:46:31.180 um,

00:46:32.080 it's easier for them to,

00:46:33.620 to dominate us and to enslave us.

00:46:35.900 And that's why I think the attack on,

00:46:37.940 on family,

00:46:38.740 traditional family and family values is,

00:46:41.340 is another,

00:46:42.400 is another step in that direction.

00:46:43.720 I respect individual choice.

00:46:46.260 If you want to be single or if you want to,

00:46:49.220 you know,

00:46:50.220 uh,

00:46:51.300 not have children,

00:46:53.740 that's fine.

00:46:55.540 But when it's actively encouraged by the government,

00:47:00.500 with taxpayers' money,

00:47:02.020 to,

00:47:02.220 to promote an agenda as,

00:47:04.460 as,

00:47:04.800 as,

00:47:04.820 as an equally viable and valuable lifestyle,

00:47:09.640 that is a problem.

00:47:11.180 ultimately to,

00:47:12.720 to preserve our identity,

00:47:14.600 our nation,

00:47:15.340 our population,

00:47:16.800 our way of life,

00:47:17.820 we need to reproduce and we need to, 0.99

00:47:19.920 uh,

00:47:20.720 raise,

00:47:21.460 uh,

00:47:22.320 kids in the best environment possible.

00:47:24.580 That is a traditional family with traditional values.

00:47:27.620 with respect for potentially different ways of life or potentially different choices.

00:47:34.120 But when you turn on the TV or go to the comedy club or watch Hollywood or listen to the news,

00:47:39.760 and it's like,

00:47:41.500 yeah,

00:47:41.860 love is love.

00:47:43.040 Uh,

00:47:43.960 two fathers or two mothers are the same as one father,

00:47:47.740 one mother.

00:47:49.340 Right?

00:47:49.900 Um,

00:47:51.180 don't have kids.

00:47:53.740 Yeah.

00:47:54.220 A couple of weeks ago,

00:47:55.640 I had my first appearance on,

00:47:57.760 on,

00:47:58.140 on GB news headliners,

00:47:59.800 right?

00:48:00.080 That was my TV debut.

00:48:02.000 And one of the stories was about,

00:48:04.720 um,

00:48:05.460 this dating app in France,

00:48:07.020 which,

00:48:07.460 um,

00:48:08.660 targets,

00:48:09.500 uh,

00:48:10.620 the niche.

00:48:12.140 Probably we can't call it niche,

00:48:13.640 but,

00:48:14.600 um,

00:48:15.340 right wingers or patriots,

00:48:16.900 people who want traditional partners,

00:48:19.500 or traditionally oriented partners,

00:48:22.300 women who want to have kids, 1.00

00:48:24.200 raise a traditional family and so on.

00:48:27.520 And this,

00:48:28.500 this term was actually mentioned in,

00:48:32.200 in the article,

00:48:33.560 uh,

00:48:34.340 the great replacement theory.

00:48:36.940 Um,

00:48:38.100 so I raised it because it was in the article.

00:48:40.980 It wasn't even my,

00:48:41.780 my personal contribution.

00:48:43.460 Um,

00:48:44.020 the idea was that some of these,

00:48:45.700 uh,

00:48:45.980 women or men in France who go after this,

00:48:48.600 uh,

00:48:48.780 who,

00:48:49.000 who subsequently,

00:48:49.500 subscribe to this,

00:48:50.160 uh,

00:48:50.340 dating app,

00:48:51.220 they see it,

00:48:52.240 um,

00:48:54.200 with a view to,

00:48:55.180 uh,

00:48:55.820 counter the replacement,

00:48:58.360 uh,

00:48:58.740 great replacement,

00:48:59.600 whereby,

00:49:01.620 according to this theory,

00:49:03.020 our overlords want to,

00:49:04.800 uh,

00:49:05.200 wipe off,

00:49:06.000 uh, 1.00

00:49:06.380 white Europeans in their own homelands by

00:49:08.560 migration and replacement and so on.

00:49:10.960 So the,

00:49:11.600 instead they want to have kids as,

00:49:13.940 as,

00:49:14.300 as white Europeans.

00:49:15.160 And I mentioned that,

00:49:16.080 and then I clipped it and put it on my

00:49:17.980 YouTube channel.

00:49:18.580 And YouTube has come up with a,

00:49:20.820 with an impartial fact checking Wikipedia box

00:49:24.100 underneath that saying,

00:49:25.360 Oh,

00:49:25.480 the great replacement theory is a conspiracy

00:49:28.720 theory.

00:49:29.200 And I'm thinking,

00:49:30.860 is it though?

00:49:31.720 because feminists say don't have kids, 1.00

00:49:34.840 women go and have careers. 1.00

00:49:37.700 Environmentalists say because of net zero,

00:49:39.940 don't have kids.

00:49:41.120 And the government makes it damn difficult to have kids with their policies. 0.98

00:49:47.120 I think the,

00:49:48.180 the,

00:49:48.520 the,

00:49:48.620 the point that they're making,

00:49:49.880 uh,

00:49:50.340 Nicholas is this,

00:49:51.260 I think the great conspiracy theory says that there's this overarching,

00:49:56.160 the reason it's a conspiracy theory is that these,

00:49:58.780 these people in charge,

00:49:59.900 and they're the ones pulling the levers and they want white Europeans,

00:50:04.180 you know,

00:50:04.600 absolutely the population decimated.

00:50:06.800 When I think,

00:50:08.180 and you as an intelligent man would agree with me,

00:50:10.320 or maybe you don't,

00:50:11.160 I don't know that actually the reality is always far more complex than that.

00:50:15.520 It's never,

00:50:16.820 you know,

00:50:17.140 these people are in charge and they're enacting all this change.

00:50:20.400 Everything is complex,

00:50:22.260 obviously.

00:50:22.860 I mean,

00:50:23.040 I never thought that there's,

00:50:24.520 there has been a room or maybe in Davos,

00:50:27.040 they get together and say,

00:50:28.120 okay, 0.98

00:50:28.240 now how can we wipe out white Europeans in these steps, 0.99

00:50:32.900 you know, 0.99

00:50:33.180 according to this roadmap.

00:50:34.200 I think the whole depopulation thing,

00:50:35.900 I mean,

00:50:36.200 we've had people on the show,

00:50:37.780 Stephen Shaw,

00:50:38.600 who made a documentary about the depopulation bomb.

00:50:42.240 A lot of it is driven by technology,

00:50:45.840 economics,

00:50:46.320 and things of that nature.

00:50:48.020 And actually,

00:50:49.200 when,

00:50:49.720 even if this idea was true,

00:50:52.500 when,

00:50:53.800 when people like me and you come to the West,

00:50:57.080 first generation,

00:50:58.360 we have kids,

00:50:59.040 second generation don't have kids either. 0.73

00:51:01.200 So you're not long-term going to replace white people because when the non-white people get here, 1.00

00:51:07.180 they engage in all the same behavior because it's a cultural,

00:51:10.120 economic,

00:51:10.660 um,

00:51:12.200 well,

00:51:12.440 it depends how,

00:51:13.320 what,

00:51:13.600 what,

00:51:13.780 what,

00:51:14.080 what is the number of the input?

00:51:16.840 Because,

00:51:17.680 yeah,

00:51:17.900 in countries like Germany,

00:51:19.720 or maybe even Italy,

00:51:20.780 I'm not sure about that.

00:51:22.340 Um,

00:51:22.780 they are maybe moving towards,

00:51:24.600 um,

00:51:25.500 uh,

00:51:27.040 reaching the,

00:51:29.260 the so-called replacement rate.

00:51:31.220 Okay.

00:51:31.780 The bare minimum,

00:51:32.580 but it's mainly down to immigrants.

00:51:35.500 Yeah.

00:51:35.880 Yeah.

00:51:36.060 Um,

00:51:36.680 and they openly tell you,

00:51:37.940 they say,

00:51:38.180 okay,

00:51:38.300 we need more immigrants because women are not having enough kids. 1.00

00:51:43.340 Okay.

00:51:44.060 And whose fault is that?

00:51:46.040 You know,

00:51:46.380 you give me a 5% mortgage.

00:51:48.440 It's always men. 0.99

00:51:49.520 Yeah.

00:51:49.700 No,

00:51:51.500 it's because the,

00:51:52.220 the government,

00:51:53.240 the government can,

00:51:54.980 can encourage,

00:51:55.880 uh,

00:51:58.100 repopulation.

00:51:59.120 Yeah.

00:51:59.360 It's very hard though.

00:52:00.220 I mean,

00:52:00.480 if you look at all the evidence,

00:52:01.940 it's very,

00:52:02.700 very difficult.

00:52:03.340 In Hungary,

00:52:03.860 they literally threw the kitchen sink at it and they increased it by like 0.2% or something.

00:52:08.260 It's,

00:52:08.560 it's very difficult to change what are technologically and economically and culturally driven things from the government coming in and,

00:52:17.620 and trying to encourage people.

00:52:19.360 I'm all for that,

00:52:20.240 by the way.

00:52:20.700 I actually really think depopulation is a big problem.

00:52:23.700 I also think people not having children,

00:52:26.180 you know this because you're a dad,

00:52:27.760 um,

00:52:28.340 people not having children preserves the state of immaturity for a lot longer.

00:52:32.680 And so we live in societies that increasingly become immature.

00:52:36.660 People don't think long-term people aren't thinking of,

00:52:39.160 well,

00:52:39.200 if we borrow trillions and trillions of dollars from the future,

00:52:43.060 what's going to be the consequence of that?

00:52:45.000 Cause they're not thinking about the future.

00:52:46.480 I agree with all of that.

00:52:47.940 Unfortunately,

00:52:48.580 it seems to be very difficult to actually change that.

00:52:51.660 Yeah,

00:52:51.780 it might be very difficult,

00:52:52.680 but I think again,

00:52:54.540 government and culture and a lot of our culture is government sanctions or government funded can change that again to,

00:53:01.940 to link it to our comedy environment.

00:53:05.840 When you have,

00:53:06.780 you have comics who actively say,

00:53:08.960 oh yeah,

00:53:09.260 I don't,

00:53:09.700 I don't have children.

00:53:10.880 What a great life it is.

00:53:12.380 You know,

00:53:12.620 I was enjoying my Pinot Grigio or,

00:53:15.340 or,

00:53:15.900 you know,

00:53:16.120 you have advertising all over the place.

00:53:18.460 Yeah,

00:53:18.760 you can,

00:53:19.220 you can buy this sweater with,

00:53:21.180 uh,

00:53:21.600 on,

00:53:22.080 on,

00:53:22.360 on three payments.

00:53:24.080 Uh,

00:53:24.520 you know,

00:53:25.740 if,

00:53:26.000 if you are buying sweaters on installments,

00:53:29.940 maybe you should re re-evaluate your,

00:53:33.240 maybe you don't,

00:53:33.880 you don't need to buy stuff,

00:53:35.080 that much stuff.

00:53:36.000 You know,

00:53:36.280 you,

00:53:36.500 you,

00:53:36.760 you,

00:53:36.920 you,

00:53:37.060 you turn on television.

00:53:38.120 how many apps do we have right now,

00:53:40.040 which is about people decluttering their wardrobes?

00:53:42.700 How many startups,

00:53:43.860 you know,

00:53:44.320 maybe we should,

00:53:45.020 we should not encourage this consumerism in,

00:53:49.260 in,

00:53:49.380 in the first place.

00:53:51.020 You see what I mean?

00:53:52.120 Yeah.

00:53:52.440 Uh,

00:53:52.760 so,

00:53:53.360 so the,

00:53:53.720 the government,

00:53:54.460 the same government that decides to actively change our way of life when it comes to,

00:54:00.600 uh,

00:54:01.160 diesel,

00:54:01.680 when it comes to consumption is CO2 generation,

00:54:05.240 be it based on real facts or another agenda.

00:54:09.120 Let's not maybe go there,

00:54:10.300 but the same government who actively put us under,

00:54:14.240 under house arrest for a year or so,

00:54:17.660 the same government,

00:54:18.540 are you telling me that they cannot encourage people to have children by providing them with,

00:54:24.320 you know,

00:54:24.860 crèches,

00:54:25.460 maternity leave,

00:54:26.760 uh,

00:54:26.960 better maternity,

00:54:27.740 uh,

00:54:28.660 conditions,

00:54:29.700 more,

00:54:30.220 uh,

00:54:30.720 kindergartens,

00:54:31.680 uh,

00:54:32.280 nurseries.

00:54:33.320 They,

00:54:33.480 they,

00:54:33.660 of course they can do that because they are,

00:54:35.440 they are,

00:54:35.660 they are hell bent on changing our way of life in other areas.

00:54:39.540 Aren't they?

00:54:40.380 Yeah.

00:54:40.640 Look,

00:54:41.080 they,

00:54:41.680 they are,

00:54:42.320 you can say that they are hell bent on changing our way of life in other ways.

00:54:46.280 But I think the,

00:54:47.640 if I'm being honest with you,

00:54:48.520 Nicholas,

00:54:48.840 I think the problem is actually far more complex than you're giving it credit for.

00:54:54.000 And like Konstantin said,

00:54:55.700 using the example of Hungary,

00:54:57.780 it is very,

00:54:58.840 very difficult to do because if you look at practically,

00:55:01.340 practically every industrialized nation,

00:55:03.660 not just in the West,

00:55:04.640 but you look at,

00:55:05.320 uh,

00:55:05.860 South Korea,

00:55:06.660 I think they've got a replacement rate of between 0.8 and 0.9.

00:55:10.880 So,

00:55:11.160 I mean,

00:55:11.400 that is dire and actually far worse than our own.

00:55:14.020 And if you look at China,

00:55:15.680 China,

00:55:16.160 a lot of people saying,

00:55:17.080 is on the precipice of almost population collapse.

00:55:20.280 So what is happening is not just a Western issue.

00:55:24.000 It's the issue of industrialized nations.

00:55:26.680 No,

00:55:27.200 I get that.

00:55:27.960 And I agree.

00:55:28.560 And I'm,

00:55:28.840 but your point though,

00:55:29.600 sorry to interrupt.

00:55:30.160 But your point is broadly,

00:55:31.300 I understand what you're saying because you're right.

00:55:33.980 When you turn on your TV,

00:55:35.940 when you go to a comedy club,

00:55:37.760 when you listen to the media,

00:55:39.700 the cultural message is not one of kids are gray and let's have more.

00:55:45.480 Right.

00:55:45.940 And I,

00:55:46.380 this is why,

00:55:46.980 even though I don't like putting,

00:55:48.740 and I don't put photos of my son up with his face on social media,

00:55:52.960 I am constantly pumping out like Q family things because I want people to see that you can do this and it's, 0.99

00:56:01.940 it's great.

00:56:03.140 And I want men to know that as well,

00:56:05.100 because I think men increasingly haven't been told that too.

00:56:07.760 So I'm kind of using that to,

00:56:09.460 to put out a different cultural message.

00:56:11.560 And I think that's,

00:56:12.640 that's what you're talking about.

00:56:13.820 And that I completely agree with.

00:56:15.860 Yeah.

00:56:16.140 Just,

00:56:16.600 just to try to show that,

00:56:17.800 you know,

00:56:18.040 rather than excessive consumerism.

00:56:21.600 Yeah.

00:56:21.840 And just concentrating on your career until you get to the age of 40 and maybe that,

00:56:29.340 then it's a bit too late to have a child.

00:56:33.700 There is an alternative and we call it alternative,

00:56:35.880 but this is a traditional way of love.

00:56:37.060 It used to be like that until 25 minutes ago.

00:56:39.480 So that can be encouraged as well.

00:56:41.440 If,

00:56:41.860 if,

00:56:42.320 if again,

00:56:43.140 if we had a government who was like,

00:56:45.580 you know,

00:56:46.420 yeah,

00:56:46.800 I'm,

00:56:47.040 I'm hands off,

00:56:47.880 you do whatever you want.

00:56:49.060 And I,

00:56:49.440 I would have,

00:56:49.920 I would have bought that.

00:56:50.840 I don't think they are doing all they can in,

00:56:54.340 and this is all,

00:56:55.180 all over the West,

00:56:56.000 more or less,

00:56:57.060 you know,

00:56:57.340 because a lot of time,

00:56:58.800 oftentimes young people want to have kids,

00:57:01.300 but they just say,

00:57:02.400 okay,

00:57:02.480 if I have a kid,

00:57:03.560 then what about the housing problem?

00:57:05.180 What about my,

00:57:05.900 my income?

00:57:06.540 What about the,

00:57:07.160 the nursery situation?

00:57:08.680 Yeah.

00:57:08.980 Yeah.

00:57:09.180 It's an economic problem largely as well.

00:57:11.000 Nicholas,

00:57:11.900 we've had a very serious conversation,

00:57:13.460 which may confuse some people about the fact that you are actually a very good comedian.

00:57:18.760 People should check out.

00:57:20.500 Tell everybody before we go to locals and ask you some bonus questions.

00:57:24.400 Where can people find you online and follow you and follow your work?

00:57:28.360 Okay.

00:57:28.720 My YouTube channel is called Anglo-Italian Comedy.

00:57:33.840 They,

00:57:34.320 the same name for rumble,

00:57:35.700 if that's,

00:57:36.280 um,

00:57:37.300 uh,

00:57:37.660 up people's alley.

00:57:38.960 And,

00:57:39.440 and on Twitter,

00:57:40.260 I'm at Nico,

00:57:41.320 uh,

00:57:41.820 underscore the Santo.

00:57:43.620 Perfect.

00:57:44.480 And,

00:57:44.940 uh,

00:57:45.440 we always end up with the same question,

00:57:47.260 uh,

00:57:47.600 which is what is the one thing that we're not talking about as a society that you think

00:57:51.600 we really should be?

00:57:52.680 Well,

00:57:52.900 I've already used the great replacement.

00:57:55.980 Okay.

00:57:56.400 So,

00:57:56.700 so I think our,

00:57:59.420 9-11 wasn't real.

00:58:00.960 Exactly.

00:58:01.620 It's the Jews. 1.00

00:58:02.480 Inside job.

00:58:03.380 Okay.

00:58:03.800 I,

00:58:04.240 I,

00:58:04.900 I might need to do some gigs in Israel at some point.

00:58:08.040 I'm not going to go there,

00:58:09.260 but I think,

00:58:10.160 um,

00:58:12.800 clearly not having,

00:58:13.740 uh,

00:58:14.160 the situation of,

00:58:15.440 um,

00:58:16.040 the,

00:58:17.040 the,

00:58:17.300 the demographic decline that we already exhaustively,

00:58:20.140 uh,

00:58:20.680 covered.

00:58:21.760 Um,

00:58:22.160 I think what,

00:58:23.560 um,

00:58:25.560 is,

00:58:26.120 um,

00:58:27.540 alarming to me is the situation where,

00:58:30.620 is,

00:58:30.700 is the way family courts are biased against fathers. 0.67

00:58:34.560 Uh,

00:58:34.980 when you get to divorce and it happens a lot more,

00:58:39.980 more,

00:58:40.260 more often than,

00:58:41.160 uh,

00:58:41.520 we,

00:58:41.780 we all would like to see,

00:58:42.940 as you know,

00:58:43.740 uh,

00:58:44.740 the system is,

00:58:46.260 um,

00:58:46.740 is very much stacked up against men when it comes to custody and when it comes to,

00:58:52.440 uh,

00:58:53.680 recognizing their rights as a father.

00:58:55.680 And this is again,

00:58:56.760 something apparently,

00:58:57.580 um,

00:58:58.440 in America,

00:58:59.280 for sure,

00:58:59.700 in the UK,

00:59:00.240 I know for sure,

00:59:01.700 um,

00:59:02.100 probably it's a common thread along the,

00:59:04.860 uh,

00:59:05.140 across the Western world.

00:59:07.240 Um,

00:59:08.160 that's,

00:59:08.620 that's something that needs to be dealt with.

00:59:10.960 Perfect.

00:59:11.580 Nicholas DeSanto.

00:59:12.400 Thank you very much.

00:59:13.260 Follow us over to locals where we'll continue the conversation.

00:59:17.520 So I was on a gram.

00:59:18.540 I'll ask the question.

00:59:19.340 Do you want to do it?

00:59:20.860 What was Constantine like as a younger brother?

00:59:23.360 Ha,

00:59:23.700 ha,

00:59:23.720 ha,

00:59:23.960 ha.

00:59:32.860 Yeah.

00:59:33.080 Bye.

00:59:33.960 Bye.

TRIGGERnometry - July 30, 2023

An Unfiltered Conversation with a Right-Wing Comedian - Nicholas de Santo

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