TRIGGERnometry - Andrew Doyle & TRIGGERnometry DESTROY 2022

00:00:00.260 Let's be honest, Andrew, it has been a great year for stupid people. 1.00

00:00:03.120 It has, yes. They've really flourished. 1.00

00:00:04.800 They have?

00:00:05.260 This year. Yeah, good on them.

00:00:06.740 More power to the stupid people. 1.00

00:00:08.860 Well, they have a lot of power, actually, as it turns out. 1.00

00:00:11.620 Every media outlet in this country, almost, particularly the BBC, 0.99

00:00:15.940 covered it like it was a fucking terrorist attack. 0.99

00:00:18.900 Front-page news for two days. 1.00

00:00:21.980 This kind of legislation will result in some sexual assaults. 0.80

00:00:26.220 So then it comes down to, well, how many sexual assaults are the SNP prepared to accept as collateral? 0.99

00:00:31.760 You can barely now see the rainbow, because there's so much shit on the flag, right? 0.99

00:00:37.240 And obviously people are saying, well, actually, looking at that now, this looks kind of homophobic. 0.99

00:00:42.380 This is Watergate level.

00:00:44.600 Yeah, it's election interference by the FBI, of course.

00:00:46.980 Right.

00:00:47.380 Hugely.

00:00:47.700 It's got to be the first sign of something creeping into authoritarianism

00:00:51.320 when they start changing definitions and forcing you to accept their definitions.

00:00:54.740 And that's the thing we've got to be really wary of.

00:00:56.760 Why is she constantly in the press this year, all the time? 0.98

00:00:59.480 I'm getting really bored.

00:01:00.680 But that's also why people are obsessed with Meghan Markle,

00:01:03.160 because she is an actual princess complaining about being oppressed.

00:01:08.000 Yeah.

00:01:08.240 And people are sick of it.

00:01:09.440 I've always said and argued that the culture war is a key issue because it wins and loses elections.

00:01:14.900 Yes.

00:01:15.220 It determines the course of history.

00:01:17.160 I mean, the culture war has escalated in this country since 2012, roughly.

00:01:20.460 And the Tories have been in charge all of that time.

00:01:23.740 And they've made it worse.

00:01:24.540 The civil service is now out of control.

00:01:26.780 It's completely captured.

00:01:28.460 That's the machinery of government right there.

00:01:30.440 And no one's doing anything about it.

00:01:31.920 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry.

00:01:44.680 I'm Francis Foster.

00:01:45.920 I'm Constantine Kissin.

00:01:47.020 And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

00:01:52.000 I'm delighted to say for our final year-end interview is the one, the only,

00:01:57.780 returning for the 170th time to the show is the satirist, writer, author, Andrew Doyle.

00:02:02.880 Welcome to Trigonometry.

00:02:04.060 I was only on a couple of months ago.

00:02:05.400 Yeah, I know.

00:02:05.880 But we've got to do this Christmas special review. 1.00

00:02:09.120 Because let's be honest, Andrew, it has been a great year for stupid people. 1.00

00:02:12.180 It has. 1.00

00:02:12.680 Yes, they've really flourished.

00:02:13.900 They have?

00:02:14.360 This year.

00:02:14.780 Yeah, good on them. 1.00

00:02:15.920 More power to the stupid people. 1.00

00:02:17.960 Well, they have a lot of power, actually. 1.00

00:02:19.600 They really do.

00:02:20.500 They really do, yeah.

00:02:21.240 And kind of a lot has been going on.

00:02:23.740 I mean, I don't want to talk about the more recent stuff right now,

00:02:26.720 because we'll talk about the Twitter files,

00:02:28.520 and we'll talk about Jeremy Clarkson and all of that more recent stuff.

00:02:31.740 But I think we sometimes forget towards the end of the year 0.97

00:02:35.320 how much crazy shit happened earlier in the year.

00:02:38.400 What have been some of the highlights for you? 0.98

00:02:40.120 I mean, this has been a big year for the whole Mermaids trans debate, 1.00

00:02:44.160 Tavistock Clinic closing down.

00:02:46.600 People starting to wake up to the problems that, you know,

00:02:49.560 all of a sudden people have realised there's an NHS-funded clinic in London 0.94

00:02:53.840 that is effectively sterilising gay children. 0.67

00:02:56.560 And suddenly people realise that's not such a great thing. 0.98

00:02:59.400 But isn't it weird that it took this long?

00:03:01.960 This all sort of came about with Mermaids as well,

00:03:04.200 taking on LGB Alliance in court, trying to strip them of their charity status,

00:03:08.360 and then it all came crashing down on them,

00:03:10.900 because suddenly people, it's drawn attention to the fact that one of their trustees

00:03:13.900 has written in support of paedophilic desire,

00:03:16.760 and the CEO of Mermaids took her son to be castrated in Thailand at the age of 16,

00:03:22.880 and they've been sending breast binders to children without their parents' consent.

00:03:26.360 And of course, if you are that dodgy as an organisation,

00:03:29.080 maybe don't go after another charity and draw that much attention to yourself.

00:03:32.360 It's going to be a light-hearted episode.

00:03:34.400 But I was going in on the festive cheer.

00:03:35.900 The festive cheer.

00:03:37.140 But you mentioned, I mean, charities and then going after people

00:03:40.100 when you've got some things to hide.

00:03:41.460 But Ngozi Fulani, interestingly, her charity is now being looked into.

00:03:46.800 Ngozi Fulani, that's not her name, is it?

00:03:48.340 No, it's Marlene.

00:03:49.400 Yeah, Marlene. 0.99

00:03:51.280 Slightly less African. 0.93

00:03:52.580 Yes, that's the thing.

00:03:54.420 So they're going after her charity now as well.

00:03:55.840 It turns out there's lots of dodgy stuff there.

00:03:57.680 Well, maybe, maybe.

00:03:58.820 Allegedly.

00:03:59.480 Possibly.

00:04:00.000 Like, chill out.

00:04:01.240 Well, I don't know, but...

00:04:02.720 We don't have the same legal team as they do at GB News.

00:04:05.860 But actually, I mean, for people who may not have followed that story,

00:04:08.860 because obviously we've got a lot of people from abroad,

00:04:10.820 I actually thought that story was a testament

00:04:14.520 to how utterly deranged our conversation about race in this country has become.

00:04:18.860 Because for people who don't know,

00:04:20.440 it was a story about a woman who went to an event at the palace

00:04:23.540 with some minor royal adjacent.

00:04:29.480 Yes, one of those incestuous Germans. 1.00

00:04:31.600 Exactly.

00:04:33.040 And she was asked repeatedly where she's really from.

00:04:36.440 Not necessarily the best thing to ask somebody.

00:04:38.440 Allegedly, that's what she was asked.

00:04:39.720 Yeah.

00:04:40.200 And every media outlet in this country, almost, 1.00

00:04:44.300 particularly the BBC, covered it like it was a fucking terrorist attack. 1.00

00:04:47.640 Yeah. 1.00

00:04:47.880 It was front page news for two days.

00:04:51.600 It's a bit mad, isn't it?

00:04:52.440 But there's also some very important details in that story,

00:04:54.620 which is that the woman who kept asking her where she's from was 83 years old.

00:04:58.460 So she might have different ideas or maybe less heightened awareness of intersectional priorities, right?

00:05:04.980 So there's that.

00:05:05.740 But also she was an 83-year-old royal aide who's been like best friend of the Queen.

00:05:09.460 She's been involved with the royal family for decades.

00:05:11.860 And part of her job, if you turn up at the palace as a guest,

00:05:15.440 part of the aide's job is to try and get information out of you about you and your background

00:05:19.700 so that that information can be fed to whichever royal you're meeting

00:05:23.020 so that the conversation flows nicely, right?

00:05:26.000 So when she's saying, where are you from?

00:05:27.400 I actually need to know because I've got to pass this information.

00:05:30.360 That's what it's about. 0.98

00:05:31.080 It wasn't, oh, I don't believe you because you're black. 0.97

00:05:34.000 You can't be from Britain. 1.00

00:05:35.220 That's a really ungenerous assumption to make that that's what she was talking about.

00:05:38.100 She wasn't saying that at all.

00:05:38.860 Also, Ngozi Folani, which, as we said, real name Marlene,

00:05:42.740 changed her name to this faux African name and dressed in full traditional African garb, right? 0.91

00:05:50.300 With Africa-shaped earrings.

00:05:52.400 Oh, I didn't know about that detail.

00:05:53.920 Yeah, she had earrings with the shape of Africa in there.

00:05:55.860 So if you completely say that that's your identity and she's free to identify however she wants

00:06:00.200 and she identifies clearly as African, she connects with the country, she dresses as the country.

00:06:05.500 The continent, Andrew.

00:06:06.160 Yeah, she accessorises with the continent. 1.00

00:06:08.860 And, you know, then someone saying where are you from and, you know, that's a reasonable question, I think.

00:06:14.920 You know, so it was bizarre.

00:06:16.840 The whole thing was way over the top.

00:06:19.200 I think it is rude, right, if you ask someone where they're from and they tell you

00:06:22.740 and you don't take that answer.

00:06:24.820 That is kind of rude, but I don't think that's what was happening here.

00:06:28.580 Didn't Ngozi describe it as sustained racist abuse?

00:06:32.960 Something like that.

00:06:33.760 She said it was traumatising as well.

00:06:35.240 Yeah, of course she did.

00:06:36.200 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:37.240 Trauma's very powerful.

00:06:38.200 It's like you get a lot of points, don't you, for having trauma.

00:06:41.800 And then she was so traumatised she went back to educate the members of staff about racial awareness.

00:06:47.580 So it's a happy ending in the end.

00:06:49.740 Yeah, exactly.

00:06:50.900 Why not just have this conversation anyway face to face?

00:06:53.760 Why not just, why did she have to put a transcript on Twitter and try and get this person shamed? 1.00

00:06:58.040 I mean, it's all...

00:06:59.040 And then she did a massive media tour as well, didn't she, France?

00:07:01.340 Yeah.

00:07:01.480 She went on a massive media tour saying how she didn't want to draw too much attention to the incident.

00:07:05.680 Yes.

00:07:06.220 Okay.

00:07:06.680 Which is what you do when you don't want to draw too much attention.

00:07:09.240 You go on Good Morning Britain.

00:07:09.920 I mean, I've had gauche conversations with people regarding sexuality, people making assumptions about me and stuff.

00:07:15.520 I don't put it all on Twitter and try and get points, but maybe I should.

00:07:18.720 And thank you for that, Andrew, because I have apologised, mate.

00:07:21.000 It was really awkward.

00:07:22.560 It made me feel very uncomfortable, you know, particularly when you said that my actions were against nature.

00:07:27.680 I thought that was a bit harsh.

00:07:29.420 I said not natural.

00:07:30.520 Not natural.

00:07:31.720 Okay, fair enough.

00:07:32.620 But, you know, as human beings, we're all going to end up in these messy situations sometimes.

00:07:36.720 And you often say something, you put your foot in it.

00:07:38.800 We all do.

00:07:39.720 You don't expect someone to be secretly filming, putting it on Twitter.

00:07:42.840 Let me get so much cultural capital out of this as possible.

00:07:45.580 And it also kind of degrades the idea of racism, doesn't it?

00:07:48.700 It sort of suggests that actual racist incidents are on a par with this sort of imaginary scenario.

00:07:56.380 And that's not good for tackling actual racial injustice either.

00:07:59.800 So no one's a winner here.

00:08:01.580 No, no one's a winner.

00:08:02.560 And the thing is as well, there was so much happening in our country.

00:08:06.600 Right.

00:08:06.920 And yet they focused on this.

00:08:08.580 And you're like, public services are falling apart.

00:08:11.980 Yeah, but the media is obsessed with the royal family, of course.

00:08:14.760 So there's that.

00:08:15.200 So this was a royal story.

00:08:16.820 And they particularly at the moment are obsessed with the royal family being potentially racist

00:08:20.460 because the whole Meghan Markle thing, which was, of course, another big thing this year.

00:08:23.680 Why is she constantly in the press this year all the time? 1.00

00:08:26.480 I'm getting really bored of hearing about her.

00:08:28.960 Look, to be fair, Andrew, I'm going to call you out on this.

00:08:31.540 GB News bloody love a bit of Meghan.

00:08:33.800 Well, he's not responsible for all of GB News.

00:08:37.440 Yes, he is.

00:08:37.780 I think I've spoken about her a couple of times when there's been a big story relating to the Netflix

00:08:43.140 documentaries and stuff like that.

00:08:44.740 So I'm happy to talk about it, but I don't bang on about Meghan Markle at all.

00:08:48.180 She's, she, I think she, maybe 0.1% of my output is based on Meghan Markle.

00:08:53.960 I mean, we can talk about it.

00:08:55.180 I do, I do find it quite funny that she keeps getting caught in these incredible lies.

00:08:59.580 Yeah.

00:08:59.940 Right.

00:09:00.160 Which I just, like, you know, when she said that she got married in secret a couple of days

00:09:04.120 before the wedding and the Archbishop of Canterbury officiated and then the Archbishop said, that's

00:09:08.220 not true.

00:09:08.740 It just didn't happen.

00:09:09.980 That's such a weird, although, you know, when she said she went to the opening of The

00:09:12.980 Lion King and the South African actor came up to her and said, Meghan, when you married

00:09:17.440 Harry, we were dancing on the streets of Africa, just like when Mandela, when Nelson Mandela

00:09:22.440 was released.

00:09:24.140 Right.

00:09:24.840 And then it turns out that the only South African actor in The Lion King wasn't even

00:09:29.080 at the premiere and has never met her.

00:09:32.000 So, like, just incredible lies and like that kind of, and that is funny.

00:09:36.380 Like, so it's worth talking about just because she's a fantasist.

00:09:38.340 That is quite funny.

00:09:39.760 But I'm not obsessed with her at all.

00:09:43.080 I'm just not obsessed with the royal family.

00:09:44.560 I'm just not really that interested in them.

00:09:45.760 Yeah.

00:09:46.220 But we see racism in everything.

00:09:48.580 And that's another thing.

00:09:49.740 I think that the reason the palace responded in the manner that they did was because they

00:09:54.480 had spent six months or whatever, however long it is, I don't follow it because I'm

00:09:58.120 not interested in it either, being accused of systemic racism by Harry and Meghan because

00:10:02.940 they asked what colour the baby was going to be or speculated when it appeared.

00:10:07.440 If they did.

00:10:07.960 I mean, I don't know who said what.

00:10:09.120 Recollections may vary, right?

00:10:10.580 We don't know who said what about it.

00:10:12.840 So it's just not interesting.

00:10:14.540 An overheard conversation by some posh people we'll never meet.

00:10:17.600 Yeah.

00:10:17.920 Why is that?

00:10:18.760 But also, Andrew, this is the other thing that people don't want to acknowledge.

00:10:22.120 But the reality is, in all mixed families, that is what people talk about.

00:10:27.840 Like, when my son was about to be, when my wife and I talked, was he going to be like

00:10:31.540 me or if she's much lighter skin than me? 0.99

00:10:33.660 It's what people talk about.

00:10:35.340 Right.

00:10:35.620 It's the human thing.

00:10:37.200 Do you know what I mean?

00:10:37.840 Yeah.

00:10:38.220 Like, wondering what colour your offspring or grandchildren might be is the most natural

00:10:43.600 human thing that exists.

00:10:45.100 Is it akin to saying, or will it have blue eyes or brown eyes?

00:10:47.960 Or, you know, will it have webbed feet, that kind of thing?

00:10:51.100 Well, only in Cornwall, mate.

00:10:52.480 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:53.000 But like Francis, you know, his mum is very dark.

00:10:55.580 His dad is pasty Irish, white skin. 1.00

00:10:58.800 Why did you point at me when you...

00:11:00.160 I have pasty skin.

00:11:01.540 I sunburn easily.

00:11:02.740 It's grim.

00:11:03.420 You're Norn Irish. 1.00

00:11:04.500 Norn Irish. 1.00

00:11:06.240 It is a problem.

00:11:07.180 I would, you know, I can burn at even the slightest contact with the sun.

00:11:11.200 You know, it's not good.

00:11:11.860 But when you come from a mixed background, that's what people do. 1.00

00:11:16.200 Like, when I went back to Venezuela, people always used to say to me, why are you so white?

00:11:21.760 You need to get in the sun.

00:11:23.240 Yeah, it's quite offensive.

00:11:23.980 It is a bit offensive, isn't it? 0.99

00:11:26.900 But you're going to call them the white devils. 0.98

00:11:29.100 No, that would be offensive. 0.98

00:11:30.800 That would be offensive.

00:11:31.560 Well, yeah, I don't have this, because everyone in my family is quite pasty. 1.00

00:11:34.920 So we don't have that conversation.

00:11:36.920 Actually, they called me the white monkey, Mono Blanco.

00:11:39.820 But saying that, I do have gingers in the family. 0.98

00:11:42.520 Yeah.

00:11:42.840 So if I were to have a child, I would probably speculate about whether it would, we would have to get rid of it, you know?

00:11:48.920 That would be something.

00:11:49.720 That's not fair, is it?

00:11:50.900 But whether...

00:11:51.500 Why not?

00:11:52.160 Well, it's just a bit mean.

00:11:53.520 Yeah.

00:11:53.740 It's a bit cheap.

00:11:55.860 Not on here.

00:11:57.200 It's not.

00:11:57.440 It's exactly the right price for trigonometry.

00:11:59.960 But, Andrew, there has been a lot of other stuff going on as well.

00:12:03.160 And obviously, we're joking about all this stuff.

00:12:05.840 But the trans issue, for some reason, I mean, you talk about,

00:12:09.660 you know, I feel we've made a lot of progress in this country this year, on the one hand.

00:12:13.660 On the other hand, the SNP, literally, as we sit here right now, they've just pushed through a bill in Scotland.

00:12:19.760 Yeah.

00:12:19.980 Tell us about that.

00:12:21.500 Well, yeah, that's not good.

00:12:23.640 So the SNP have been, for a long time, pushing the idea of gender reform, so that people can self-ID as the gender that they choose without.

00:12:31.800 Now, so typically, you would have to live a period of time.

00:12:34.720 If you are a transsexual person, if you're someone who, for whatever reason, needs to have surgery or to present as the opposite sex, there's protocol in place to do that so that, you know, you can have medical guidance, etc.

00:12:47.580 But now they're saying, I think that's three months, so you can just, after three months, just declare it effectively.

00:12:53.380 And there are lots of feminists, you must have seen the protests outside Holyrood. 1.00

00:12:56.200 And lots of feminists have been saying, look, the thing about implementing self-ID laws is it leaves loopholes open to be exploited by people who may have nefarious agendas. 1.00

00:13:06.060 What they're not saying is that trans people are predators or trans people have a propensity for being predatory.

00:13:12.700 They're not saying that at all. 0.99

00:13:14.040 What they're saying is that if you are a sexual predator, you'll use any loophole that you can.

00:13:18.720 And from the history of sexual predators, we know that to be the case.

00:13:21.440 Sexual predators always claim to be something that they're not to get access to victims.

00:13:25.480 I mean, I could cite a million examples of that, just in the litany of serial killers, of people who pretended to be something different than they are to get access to victims.

00:13:32.800 So, you know, that's a no-brainer.

00:13:35.240 So it really comes down to a question of, do the SNP just not care about women safeguarding?

00:13:41.040 And it would seem that they're willing to sacrifice some women.

00:13:45.120 You know, this kind of legislation will result in some sexual assaults. 1.00

00:13:50.300 So then it comes down to, well, how many sexual assaults are the SNP prepared to accept as collateral?

00:13:55.840 And that's really what, that's what the feminists have been arguing. 1.00

00:13:57.880 That's what they've been saying.

00:13:58.800 But Nicola Sturgeon has, I mean, she's already said that these arguments have no merit.

00:14:03.320 She's already said she's just dismissing them.

00:14:05.400 She's not going to listen to them.

00:14:06.620 And now they've actually just railroaded it through and they've just, they've proven it.

00:14:11.360 So it's a, I think it's a problem with the SNP.

00:14:13.640 I mean, the SNP think they're being really progressive on almost every issue.

00:14:17.620 And they're actually an incredibly regressive party in almost every respect.

00:14:21.620 I mean, they push through their hate speech bill, which is one of the most draconian, authoritarian pieces of legislation we've ever seen in the UK,

00:14:30.660 where you can be prosecuted for stuff you say in your own home, where you can be prosecuted for jokes, for, there's a section on the public performance of a play.

00:14:40.180 So we can put on a play and get, if we put on a play of trigonometry of our conversation now has dramatized that.

00:14:46.460 I mean, that would be a hate crime.

00:14:47.860 I mean, it wouldn't be a good play.

00:14:49.380 But they could prosecute, if that was at the Edinburgh Frames, they could prosecute that.

00:14:56.020 You know, it's just unbelievable stuff.

00:14:58.140 And so I think the problem is that the SNP have too much power because there's no, the Tories and Labour, they have nothing in Scotland.

00:15:05.440 There's no second party to hold them to account.

00:15:09.460 You know, it's like if, you know, if some powerful figure is left unchecked and is only surrounded by sycophants, you know where that goes.

00:15:18.340 You know, so I don't know what they're going to do about that.

00:15:21.260 I mean, the feminists are saying they're going to keep protesting and keep making their point. 1.00

00:15:24.720 But while people just keep dismissing these concerns as anti-trans or hateful, which is just not the case.

00:15:31.540 I'm not saying there aren't hateful anti-trans people out there, but they're not the people who are protesting outside of Holyrood.

00:15:38.040 They're not the people who are saying we have these legitimate concerns.

00:15:41.600 These are just people who are being monstered for trying to make a completely fair point about safeguarding, you know.

00:15:47.060 Yeah. But also as well, you know, the focus and the obsession we now have with LGBTQIA+, whatever it is.

00:15:56.380 Yeah.

00:15:56.720 We were, it felt like we reached this peak of tolerance where we got to the stage where it was like, I don't care who, you know, I don't care what you do in the privacy of your own home.

00:16:08.460 You know, it doesn't matter. But now it's like, it's almost become a, well, it's literally become a badge of pride.

00:16:14.820 And Qatar was a very good example of this, wasn't it? 1.00

00:16:17.900 Yeah, exactly. Did you see the other day the rainbow flag? There's a new addition to the rainbow flag.

00:16:22.500 There's always a new fucking addition. 0.99

00:16:23.960 I mean, it's... 0.99

00:16:24.520 So what's the newest?

00:16:25.380 Well, it's a red umbrella, which is for sex workers' rights. 0.99

00:16:28.940 So you have, so obviously we've got the chevrons with the trans colours and the black stripe and the brown stripe for racial inclusivity and the intersex circle. 0.99

00:16:37.400 And now you've got the fucking sex worker umbrella there. 1.00

00:16:40.460 You can barely now see the rainbow because there's so much shit on the flag, right? 1.00

00:16:45.900 And this, and obviously people are saying, well, actually looking at that now, this looks kind of homophobic because you've just crowded a gay pride flag with lots of other symbols. 0.99

00:16:54.380 So we can't even see the gay bit anymore. 0.99

00:16:56.880 It's a real problem.

00:16:57.620 And look, by the way, obviously we're having a lighthearted discussion, but it's something that I've been aware of and I'm sure you are aware of as well, which is among young people, acceptance of LGBT blah, blah, blah is going down. 0.68

00:17:10.620 Yeah, of course. 1.00

00:17:11.200 And that's because they're looking at this shit and going, what the fuck is this? 1.00

00:17:14.120 Yeah. 1.00

00:17:14.400 I just wanted to treat everybody equally.

00:17:17.000 Well, now I have, and anyway, racial, what does that have to do with nothing?

00:17:22.240 The whole, the rainbow flag, I mean, I've got a stand up bit about this because the rainbow flag was about unity.

00:17:26.280 It was about, the rainbow symbol meant unity and harmony.

00:17:29.820 It was not a literal representation of the skin colors that are acceptable in the gay community, right?

00:17:35.940 And so the idea that you have to add different racial groups, it's so mental. 1.00

00:17:40.700 It's so, and it makes us look like idiots. 1.00

00:17:42.520 It makes the gays look pathetic. 1.00

00:17:44.960 And I don't like that. 1.00

00:17:45.840 But it's what you said, like we were at a point where no one cared.

00:17:49.640 No one cared how you identified or who you slept with or whether you wanted to be called he or she or no one.

00:17:57.040 I mean, I don't remember anyone, knowing anyone who ever had a problem with any of that.

00:18:00.580 But now I know a lot of gay people who won't use pronouns that people prefer on a matter of principle.

00:18:08.720 Well, no one ever cared about it before.

00:18:11.700 But now they do because now they're being told to use pronouns that are either invented, like toy and toy self or cat and cat gender and she and ze and they as singular.

00:18:22.020 And people aren't going to do that.

00:18:23.080 They're not going to start fucking with the language to satisfy someone else's ego, which is effectively what it is. 0.91

00:18:27.260 And also you see all this crazy stuff. 0.99

00:18:30.100 Do you remember that Canadian teacher with the massive boob?

00:18:32.480 I love that story.

00:18:33.320 Yeah.

00:18:33.980 I mean, well, didn't we discuss it?

00:18:35.580 I think a lot of people have thought it was a troll.

00:18:38.160 It is a troll, isn't it?

00:18:38.860 But it's not. 0.76

00:18:39.740 Oh.

00:18:40.220 It looks like he's not a troll.

00:18:42.380 So it's a story out of South Park.

00:18:44.740 There was an old episode of South Park where Mr. Garrison wants to be able to sue the school for homophobia to make money. 0.98

00:18:51.440 So he brings his gimp boyfriend in with like, you know, anal beads or whatever. 1.00

00:18:56.720 And ball gags and all the rest of it. 0.99

00:18:59.660 And of course, the school is all really tolerant and like, oh, this is who you are.

00:19:03.760 It's fine.

00:19:04.180 And he's gutted because they won't let him.

00:19:06.240 He wants to sue them.

00:19:07.340 Yeah.

00:19:07.620 And they thought this was a similar thing.

00:19:09.220 This guy goes into this school in Canada.

00:19:10.800 Woodwork teacher, by the way. 0.93

00:19:11.840 So, you know, there is a health and safety issue here because he's got these massive prosthetic breasts that are like distended udders that go even below his waist. 1.00

00:19:20.160 They're absolutely huge.

00:19:21.400 And there's even footage of him using an electric saw with these rather cumbersome, pendulous items.

00:19:27.220 But it's fetish gear.

00:19:28.540 You know, this isn't who he is.

00:19:30.680 It's what he enjoys.

00:19:34.000 It's a fetish, right?

00:19:35.200 And so now they're saying that the kids in the school who are secretly filming or taking pictures, they'll be expelled for doing that.

00:19:41.300 That news broke this week.

00:19:42.580 So the school is really clamping down on this.

00:19:45.180 But why not just say we support our teachers, our members of staff, right to identify however they want.

00:19:50.880 But you can't wear fetish gear to work.

00:19:53.460 Why not just say that?

00:19:54.560 Seems uncontroversial.

00:19:55.700 But that's really problematic now, isn't it?

00:19:58.080 Even just to refer to it as fetish gear.

00:20:00.360 It is fetish gear.

00:20:01.140 Well, I know it is.

00:20:02.200 It obviously is.

00:20:03.340 And that's the thing that's really happened this year, I think, overall, is the sort of introduction of hypersexualization into the gay rights movement and all the rest of it.

00:20:14.160 The kink stuff at Pride is a bit weird. 1.00

00:20:17.080 Every time I open Twitter, there's some drag queen shaking her ass in front of a five-year-old. 1.00

00:20:21.260 Right. 1.00

00:20:21.720 Or his ass or whatever. 1.00

00:20:23.640 Well, drag isn't trans, right? 1.00

00:20:25.300 So it's a man basically twerking in front of a three-year-old or teaching a three-year-old to twerk for tips.

00:20:33.840 I mean, it's grim.

00:20:35.740 It's really grim. 0.98

00:20:36.860 And what it does is it resuscitates this ancient homophobic trope which yoked gay people with paedophiles. 0.54

00:20:43.460 And that was something that gay people fought to sort of get away from. 1.00

00:20:47.480 And now they're doing this stuff.

00:20:49.380 It's really bad for gay rights. 0.99

00:20:51.080 And there is some room for nuance here insofar as a drag queen reading a story to a bunch of kids in a library in a non-sexualized way.

00:21:01.340 I don't, like, that's fine.

00:21:02.880 It's weird.

00:21:03.440 I think it's weird because drag for me is a sexualized genre.

00:21:06.920 And part of the fun of drag is how edgy it is and how far it pushes the boundaries.

00:21:11.360 If you want to sanitize that, I don't think you're a great drag artist. 1.00

00:21:14.160 I think you're a boring drag artist.

00:21:15.440 And so I don't know why you'd want to sanitize your art to do that.

00:21:20.140 But, okay, I can accept that drag performers, they're quite lively.

00:21:23.620 They're quite declamatory.

00:21:25.120 They would be able to do a good job, I think, of a story.

00:21:28.120 But part of the problem is either the stories they choose are basically indoctrination,

00:21:32.380 are basically sort of ideological indoctrination,

00:21:34.540 or they put on a performance that is inappropriately sexual.

00:21:38.440 And in both of those cases, I think, just stop doing that, you know?

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00:23:50.160 And also, the word queer is just being used by everybody now.

00:23:53.920 Well, it means straight, then.

00:23:55.720 Basically.

00:23:56.380 Like, you see, I've seen pictures of celebrity couples

00:23:58.780 and we are an out-queer couple.

00:24:00.800 I'm like, you're a straight couple. 1.00

00:24:02.100 You're a man, you're a woman, you're fucking. 1.00

00:24:03.980 That's straight. 1.00

00:24:05.080 That's not-

00:24:05.580 And you don't get to sort of grab that phrase

00:24:07.700 and say, we're oppressed.

00:24:08.640 I mean, that's really what it is.

00:24:09.440 It's people identifying themselves into oppressed groups

00:24:12.000 because there's a kind of glamour or sheen around being oppressed.

00:24:15.160 Why?

00:24:15.840 Isn't it better not to be oppressed?

00:24:18.060 Why would you say that?

00:24:19.280 Well, not anymore.

00:24:20.040 But this, I mean, you know this.

00:24:21.800 You've put your finger on it.

00:24:23.320 It is not better to not be oppressed.

00:24:25.760 It is much better to be oppressed.

00:24:27.700 We covered a story on one of our Raw shows a few days ago

00:24:30.700 where there's a woman who is a woman of colour

00:24:35.060 and she got a job at the BBC due to some kind of diversity scheme.

00:24:40.340 Her dad owns a Premier League football club.

00:24:44.320 Wow.

00:24:44.840 She's the daughter of a multi, multi, multi-millionaire.

00:24:48.040 Yeah, and we always forget.

00:24:49.080 But it is better to be oppressed.

00:24:51.360 Yeah.

00:24:51.520 Because you're not actually oppressed anymore. 0.66

00:24:53.840 You're just getting bonus points for being brown or black 1.00

00:24:56.840 or lesbian or gay or whatever it is. 0.97

00:24:58.660 That's why it's better to be bisexual even if you're just straight

00:25:01.500 or non-binary even if you're just cis or whatever.

00:25:04.900 But that's also why people are obsessed with Meghan Markle

00:25:07.320 because she is an actual princess complaining about being oppressed.

00:25:12.220 Yeah.

00:25:12.460 People are sick of it.

00:25:13.560 But no, you're right.

00:25:14.160 You hit it.

00:25:14.500 It's, you know, whenever the BBC and bodies like that

00:25:18.060 pushed these diversity schemes and said,

00:25:20.660 we need a quota for a certain number of racial groups,

00:25:23.800 what mostly happened is posh people of colour got the jobs, right? 0.99

00:25:27.620 People who didn't need a leg up, people who weren't oppressed.

00:25:30.660 And so the class issue is a big thing.

00:25:33.320 As you know, we've spoken about this many times.

00:25:35.180 For me, unless you are concerned about class issues,

00:25:41.000 pushing working class people up, social mobility,

00:25:44.520 economic inequality and trying to redress that,

00:25:46.440 if you're not interested in those things,

00:25:47.880 I don't think you're left-wing in any meaningful sense.

00:25:51.140 So the whole identitarian movement,

00:25:53.020 the whole LGBTQIA nonsense, 1.00

00:25:55.220 the critical race theory nonsense,

00:25:56.940 all of this stuff is essentially an upper middle class pursuit.

00:26:00.040 It has got nothing to do with being left-wing at all.

00:26:02.080 I would argue it's more right-wing actually

00:26:04.020 because it's concerned with posh people and their interests.

00:26:06.820 Andrew, why is it acceptable for a straight person

00:26:10.920 to describe themselves as queer?

00:26:12.920 Yeah.

00:26:13.140 But if a person identifies as being black

00:26:17.180 and if they're white or of a different race,

00:26:18.980 that is somehow unacceptable.

00:26:20.380 I don't understand what the difference is.

00:26:21.860 Well, that exact question was posed by Richard Dawkins this year on Twitter,

00:26:25.660 I think near the start of the year.

00:26:27.220 And he had an award taken away from him.

00:26:30.820 It was a humanist award.

00:26:33.380 That'll learn him.

00:26:34.240 What's hilarious is he actually said,

00:26:35.400 I don't remember getting that.

00:26:36.980 So he really didn't care.

00:26:38.400 But he did what scientists often do,

00:26:41.060 which is pose a hypothetical.

00:26:42.340 He even ended the hypothetical with the word discuss.

00:26:45.160 He basically said,

00:26:46.000 why is it that when a man identifies as a woman, 0.87

00:26:49.980 they are universally celebrated,

00:26:51.480 but when Rachel Dolezal identifies as black,

00:26:53.960 she is universally condemned.

00:26:55.260 Discuss.

00:26:55.760 It's a legitimate question.

00:26:56.960 It's the question you just asked, in fact.

00:26:58.580 You're very much on a par with Dawkins, I feel, intellectually.

00:27:00.640 Thank you very much.

00:27:01.960 And your awards they can take away from you, mate.

00:27:03.840 There's nothing they can take from you.

00:27:05.500 Third place at the Hackney Empire, mate.

00:27:07.220 Yes, and your cycling proficiency test.

00:27:09.280 I can't ride a bike, mate.

00:27:10.480 Oh, well, I was wrong about that.

00:27:12.640 So, yeah, it's a good question to ask.

00:27:15.240 Like, why?

00:27:16.660 But that is probably the end point, isn't it?

00:27:19.020 And there were intimations of it.

00:27:20.540 You remember the Rachel Dolezal thing.

00:27:21.740 There were intimations when, you know,

00:27:23.200 you had journalists on CNN and things saying,

00:27:24.780 well, maybe you can identify as black.

00:27:27.020 And that did get shut down quite quickly.

00:27:29.640 But I think we'll go there eventually as well.

00:27:31.420 I think that's obviously.

00:27:33.180 Look, did you see the thing about the Norwegian interview?

00:27:36.380 There was an interview on Norwegian TV about four or five months ago.

00:27:40.680 An able-bodied man who identifies as a disabled woman in a wheelchair.

00:27:46.960 Doesn't need the wheelchair, 1.00

00:27:48.120 but identifies as having to have the wheelchair.

00:27:50.900 And they gave him a really sympathetic interview about his truth.

00:27:54.040 And you just want to say, just stand up.

00:27:57.980 You don't need, like, this is really offensive to just roll on in and say,

00:28:01.920 well, I've always wanted.

00:28:02.700 He said, I've always felt that I wanted to be a woman

00:28:05.440 who couldn't feel anything from the waist down.

00:28:07.940 But you're not.

00:28:09.100 You're a bloke who can jump around.

00:28:11.920 Like, it's, and so that's, so why?

00:28:14.140 What, you're right.

00:28:14.660 Why not race? 0.51

00:28:15.540 The guy, wasn't there that pedophile who tried to get out of it

00:28:17.740 by saying, well, he identified as a child?

00:28:20.020 You know, there was that guy.

00:28:22.160 It's the logical end point of all these bollocks.

00:28:24.460 It's like, if you can identify as anything.

00:28:26.340 And look, sitting in that chair only a few days ago was Ollie London.

00:28:29.640 Ah.

00:28:30.320 Now, is Ollie London trolling?

00:28:32.340 No, he just got a bit carried away.

00:28:34.660 Okay.

00:28:35.120 In his words.

00:28:35.660 And he's seen the light.

00:28:37.020 He identified as Korean.

00:28:38.320 Yes.

00:28:38.480 He identified as Korean.

00:28:39.660 Then he identified as a woman. 0.98

00:28:41.220 He had a shit ton of surgery. 0.92

00:28:42.440 And then he realized this was not helping.

00:28:45.020 So what's he now?

00:28:45.760 He's just a man who's had a lot of surgery, who wants to sort of, you know, explain to

00:28:50.740 people that he went down the wrong path and they shouldn't follow him.

00:28:53.320 Well, I remember talking to him last year on GB News.

00:28:57.060 Not, it wasn't in a direct interview.

00:28:58.320 I was just involved in the chat.

00:29:00.000 And he struck me as just a bit, just a bit mad.

00:29:02.440 A little bit mad, you know. 0.97

00:29:03.120 Well, I think if you have the shit ton of surgery to try and make yourself Korean, 1.00

00:29:06.920 you probably are in that moment. 0.97

00:29:08.100 But he's actually very sensible now.

00:29:09.420 Well, he didn't seem unpleasant, is what I'm saying.

00:29:11.500 No, no, no. 0.88

00:29:11.680 He seemed like a nice guy who's a bit posh and mad.

00:29:13.980 He's a lovely guy.

00:29:14.680 And if anyone hasn't seen that interview, they should go and watch it because you just

00:29:17.960 see that, you know, sometimes people, and the thing that he said to us that, see, it's

00:29:23.160 not going to be a great revelation to people watching this because it's obvious, but he

00:29:26.180 said, well, society tells you now you can identify as anything.

00:29:30.540 Yeah.

00:29:31.140 Why can't I be Korean?

00:29:32.820 And there's a logic to that.

00:29:34.900 If you look around, if you spend most of your time on social media, if you're a young

00:29:38.580 person who maybe doesn't have a huge amount of experience with the real world, you haven't

00:29:43.800 had the opportunity to see yourself make mistakes and go, well, sometimes you believe things

00:29:47.580 and then you realize they were wrong.

00:29:49.280 Yeah.

00:29:49.960 You look around and you go, well, why can't I identify as Korean?

00:29:52.520 Yeah, sure. 0.99

00:29:53.300 And actually, and that's the danger of all of the shit is my point. 0.98

00:29:56.280 There's a point where, to an extent, you can. 0.98

00:29:58.740 Like, I think nationality is very complicated.

00:30:01.360 I think Ngozi Filani, being descended from African people, I think she has a right to identify

00:30:06.180 with that country.

00:30:06.780 But there's a grain, there's a truth to that.

00:30:09.220 But she's not even from Africa.

00:30:10.500 She's not.

00:30:11.480 But she, you know, it's like, I was speaking to him, I was in New York the other week and

00:30:14.680 I was speaking to an American guy and he was talking about his Scottish great-grandfather,

00:30:18.260 but he was describing himself as Scottish.

00:30:20.220 And although that's a bit alien to us, I think in America, which is a nation of immigrants

00:30:23.960 where, you know, I don't think that's a lie.

00:30:25.920 And I actually think it's legitimate.

00:30:27.220 I think you could, there is an element of personal choice because we're all Mongols from all

00:30:31.040 sorts of places.

00:30:32.000 I think your identity in terms of nationality, that is a bit malleable.

00:30:35.220 I think when it comes to gender, you know, if I genuinely felt that I'm so uncomfortable

00:30:40.620 with being male that I have to present and identify as female, I think that should be 0.98

00:30:44.020 respected.

00:30:44.540 I don't have a, I really don't have a problem with that.

00:30:46.800 But when it comes down to denial of complete facts, so for instance, could I say I'm Nigerian?

00:30:51.980 I have absolutely no connection.

00:30:53.740 I'd love to see that.

00:30:55.300 But I don't have, that should be a Christmas special on Free Speech Nation.

00:31:00.540 Come out dressed as a Nigerian. 1.00

00:31:03.080 I really.

00:31:04.300 Welcome to Free Speech Nation.

00:31:06.180 It's so easy to kill your career, isn't it?

00:31:08.160 It's so easy.

00:31:09.680 I am Andrew Duran. 0.87

00:31:10.240 You've got to do it for the troll, mate.

00:31:11.760 Come on.

00:31:11.980 I mean, wow.

00:31:14.500 You don't even do blackface.

00:31:15.900 You've just got to identify as Nigerian.

00:31:17.520 I don't make any echo at all.

00:31:18.880 I'm just like, exactly as I am.

00:31:20.280 Yeah.

00:31:20.880 That's just my truth.

00:31:22.080 Yeah.

00:31:22.240 You see, now that, then that becomes in the realms of satire, of ridiculousness, you know?

00:31:26.960 And I think, and I think, but similarly, that's why people always had a tolerance for people

00:31:32.060 identifying as the opposite sex, because we understood gender dysphoria as a concept, right?

00:31:36.360 But we don't have tolerance for someone identifying as a cat, which some people now are doing.

00:31:40.980 I mean, very few, I should say.

00:31:42.460 But we don't have tolerance for that, because it's so divorced from reality that at some

00:31:47.620 point you have to say, that is not the truth.

00:31:50.280 But even when it comes to trans identification, right, trans people aren't saying they are

00:31:54.400 literally the opposite sex.

00:31:56.580 I know some are, but most trans people know that they're not. 1.00

00:32:00.140 Yeah.

00:32:00.560 And they accept that, and they will make that point.

00:32:02.560 It's about feeling comfortable with the way you present, and that's fine.

00:32:05.420 And so I think there is room for some sort of nuance here.

00:32:08.060 But look, you're right.

00:32:09.680 Some of the identification points, racial identification points, it's...

00:32:14.360 And actually, identifying as a different race makes more sense than identifying as a different

00:32:18.200 sex, because there are only two sexes, and no human being has ever changed sex.

00:32:22.720 But racially, we're all the same.

00:32:24.660 Like, race, there is a strong argument regarding race as a social construct, which I actually

00:32:29.340 get on board with.

00:32:30.020 In fact, it's, you know, ever since they sort of decoded our DNA, we realize we're all the

00:32:35.000 same.

00:32:35.540 Well, you know, there just isn't any tangible difference.

00:32:38.880 So there's more of a case for doing that, and yet that's the thing that's demonized.

00:32:42.720 It's interesting.

00:32:43.660 Well, a lot of this is because of social media.

00:32:46.980 Yeah.

00:32:47.200 And let's talk about Twitter for a moment, because Twitter has been, in many ways, one

00:32:54.320 of the things that's helped to create this.

00:32:56.860 It's one of the catalysts behind all this nonsense.

00:32:59.320 But it's been a very interesting year for Twitter, hasn't it, Andrew?

00:33:01.440 Hugely.

00:33:01.840 Yeah, I mean, it's, I think, thank God for Elon Musk.

00:33:04.460 I think it's really, I'm not saying he's perfect, and, you know, and that he hasn't made some

00:33:09.040 strategic blunders, which he had.

00:33:11.440 But my God, I mean, what a revolution.

00:33:13.300 You know, so many people whose accounts have been nuked for no good reason, just for having

00:33:16.380 the wrong opinion.

00:33:17.020 They're back on the channel.

00:33:18.340 There's some more I'd like to see back on, like Graham Linehan and people like that.

00:33:21.280 But hopefully, eventually, we'll get to that point.

00:33:24.420 But what Elon Musk was trying to do was say, look, we're going to have all and any opinions

00:33:28.980 and discussions can be had, you know?

00:33:30.680 And that's a good thing.

00:33:32.120 And we're not just going to censor.

00:33:33.640 I mean, he's going to nuke accounts that break the law.

00:33:37.160 He's already kicked off a lot of accounts that have been child trafficking and peddling

00:33:40.240 in child pornography.

00:33:41.320 Well, good, right?

00:33:42.380 Because I don't think illegal activity should be going on on the channel.

00:33:45.480 But I think any speech that should be allowed, even if it's offensive speech, and I think

00:33:50.540 that's a positive step.

00:33:52.140 Well, I agree with you that I'm glad that he's taken over.

00:33:54.680 I don't think he's as consistent on these issues as anyone would want.

00:33:58.940 And frankly, he's been quite inconsistent.

00:34:00.860 Yeah, and I think he knows it.

00:34:02.080 Yeah, well, he does.

00:34:03.200 And this is why, you know, people, I've always looked with some skepticism at people who claim

00:34:08.840 to be free speech absolutists, because you may be in theory, but when it comes down to

00:34:13.380 practice, when you have to run a platform like Twitter, you rapidly find out that people

00:34:17.380 aren't, no one is a free speech absolutist.

00:34:19.220 I mean, I think I am.

00:34:20.180 And so far as if I were running Twitter, I would say, here's, I don't need a moderation

00:34:24.740 counsel.

00:34:25.380 I don't need anyone moderating this.

00:34:27.080 What I would have is, you've got a block button.

00:34:29.740 If you don't want to read something, block the person.

00:34:31.860 It's a user-based thing.

00:34:33.640 And that solves all your problems.

00:34:35.700 Obviously, if there's illegal content, you delete it, because that's illegal yourself.

00:34:40.200 But that's why you need a moderation counsel to decide whether something's illegal or not.

00:34:43.760 Well, the law does that perfectly sufficiently.

00:34:45.780 But I knew...

00:34:46.200 Well, that's why we have courts. 1.00

00:34:46.920 You need people to implement the law, in other words.

00:34:49.300 But that's not quite the same as a moderation counsel.

00:34:50.980 A moderation counsel is saying, what is acceptable for our platform?

00:34:53.500 I just say, don't let anyone say anything.

00:34:56.440 I know what you mean, but the internet of the early days, which was free, that's not

00:35:04.980 coming back.

00:35:05.600 I know, I'm sure it's not.

00:35:06.340 It's not going to happen.

00:35:07.160 I know it's not.

00:35:07.820 They're just, they're not going to let you do that, even if you own the company.

00:35:10.880 I'm not going to own the company, Constantine.

00:35:12.360 It's not going to happen.

00:35:13.240 This is not, I don't have $44 billion to make this happen.

00:35:16.440 Sadly, if you had, it would be a much better world.

00:35:18.180 But you went fast for cash.

00:35:19.680 I did go fast for cash.

00:35:20.720 There's not much cash in it anymore, apparently.

00:35:22.400 It's mad.

00:35:22.980 But Andrew, let's talk about the Twitter files, because you and I, I think, in this country,

00:35:26.620 have been at the forefront of the people going, this is quite important. 0.95

00:35:29.520 And no one is fucking talking about it. 0.98

00:35:31.680 Maddening. 0.99

00:35:31.920 The media, I don't understand.

00:35:34.060 We have had, in the last few days, revelations that the FBI had the New York Post, the laptop

00:35:40.800 that was the source of the New York Post story about Hunter Biden.

00:35:44.100 They sat on it, and then they deceived Twitter and likely Facebook into thinking that it was

00:35:49.620 Russian disinformation.

00:35:51.140 This is Watergate level.

00:35:53.560 Yeah, it's election interference by the FBI, of course.

00:35:55.920 Right.

00:35:56.300 Hugely.

00:35:56.640 That seems to me quite important.

00:35:58.120 The BBC, The Times, even The Telegraph, I mean, The Guardian, obviously haven't covered

00:36:03.560 it.

00:36:04.560 And this isn't to say, by the way, that they don't think Twitter is important, because

00:36:08.400 they cover Elon Musk's polls every day.

00:36:11.480 Yeah, exactly.

00:36:11.760 But they won't tell us anything about that.

00:36:13.940 They won't tell the public, the reading public, anything about that.

00:36:17.800 And I literally feel myself becoming radicalized on a daily basis.

00:36:21.380 There's another bit of revelation that is not being covered.

00:36:25.200 Isn't it insane?

00:36:25.900 I mean, and I have to say, GB News has covered it.

00:36:28.840 Well, you've covered it.

00:36:29.640 I've covered it over the last three weeks.

00:36:31.180 I've been covering it from day one.

00:36:32.860 Because I, and I've been particularly, I share your view.

00:36:36.860 I've been completely, I don't understand why this isn't front page news everywhere, right?

00:36:42.600 And it should have been from day one.

00:36:43.960 Look, the fact, and the way journalists have been saying things like, oh, this is a nothing

00:36:47.120 burger, which is a phrase I hadn't heard before, and I hate it.

00:36:50.120 And they all now say it.

00:36:51.400 They all, they're all saying the same phrase.

00:36:52.940 Why are you doing PR for the world's richest man?

00:36:55.700 And they all use that phrase.

00:36:56.780 It's like they're all robots saying the same things.

00:36:58.980 It's bizarre.

00:36:59.480 They're not doing any thinking for themselves.

00:37:00.900 But the idea that you wouldn't cover this, no matter what your political view, I don't

00:37:04.880 understand.

00:37:05.340 Like, why, why wouldn't you be interested that?

00:37:07.500 And they say things like, why do you care so much about Hunter Biden, about Hunter Biden's 1.00

00:37:11.640 dick, about nude? 1.00

00:37:13.180 I don't care. 0.97

00:37:14.400 I haven't seen it.

00:37:15.200 Maybe I would care.

00:37:15.900 I don't care about that stuff.

00:37:18.300 I care about the fact that politicians and the social media tech giant colluded to suppress

00:37:24.180 a news story.

00:37:25.180 They got to decide what the public should read.

00:37:28.200 And that's what I care about in the run up to an election about a story that was potentially

00:37:32.240 unflattering for one of the candidates.

00:37:33.680 That's what I care about.

00:37:34.660 I couldn't give a damn about the substance of the story.

00:37:37.240 I really couldn't.

00:37:37.740 It's the cover up.

00:37:38.180 The cover up is the story.

00:37:39.820 And, you know, the other stuff that the Twitter files, you know, the fact that they knew,

00:37:44.600 the executives knew they had no grounds for suppressing this story.

00:37:48.320 And they openly said that to each other.

00:37:49.960 They effectively were saying, how can we get away with it?

00:37:52.400 You know, same with the Trump thing.

00:37:53.560 They knew that they had no grounds to ban Trump from the platform.

00:37:57.360 And arguably, in some way, I mean, obviously, the Hunter Biden thing is big in terms of

00:38:01.960 electoral interference.

00:38:02.860 But I think as a structural issue, shadow banning people like Jay Bhattacharya.

00:38:07.520 Yeah, exactly.

00:38:08.360 You are hiding things from the public because you've decided to put your thumb on the scales.

00:38:13.820 And the thing is, you don't have the expertise.

00:38:16.280 Jay Bhattacharya does.

00:38:17.540 That's my point.

00:38:18.820 Is it Stanford?

00:38:19.740 Yeah, he's at Stanford.

00:38:20.480 So the idea that suddenly a few 20-something, you know, Gen Zs at Twitter are world-leading

00:38:28.320 epidemiologists is incredible to me.

00:38:30.580 They had absolutely no right.

00:38:32.180 They sort of prevented his tweets from being amplified.

00:38:35.000 Yeah.

00:38:35.220 Isn't that right?

00:38:35.720 And trending, et cetera.

00:38:36.820 And we have evidence.

00:38:37.860 And I don't mean like a conspiracy theory.

00:38:39.920 We have a video that we did with Peter Hitchens early in the lockdown, which we have direct

00:38:45.400 evidence was being shadow banned by YouTube and Google.

00:38:48.220 You could not find it on Google and you could not find it in the search on YouTube.

00:38:52.320 And you had to go to the link to watch it.

00:38:54.320 Isn't it interesting that these journalists and all these people for years were saying,

00:38:57.580 firstly, oh, it's Twitter.

00:38:58.560 It's a private company.

00:38:59.300 They can do what they want.

00:39:00.220 I had a lot of people saying to me, well, this isn't true.

00:39:04.020 Conservatives aren't being censored.

00:39:05.640 You've got no evidence for it.

00:39:06.820 Where are those people now?

00:39:07.720 Well, now we do.

00:39:08.580 The evidence is absolutely plain in black and white.

00:39:11.080 And they're just, so they're just going to ignore it.

00:39:12.440 No, no, they don't just ignore it.

00:39:13.660 They say, oh, we knew this already.

00:39:15.420 Well, they're lying.

00:39:16.180 The same people who said it's not happening are now saying, well, we knew this.

00:39:19.200 Well, either they were lying then or they're lying now.

00:39:20.780 And that's just bizarre.

00:39:21.700 Like for me, if I put my neck out there and said, there's no evidence for that.

00:39:25.160 So I'm not going to believe it.

00:39:26.480 And then I see the evidence.

00:39:27.580 I'll come out and say I was wrong.

00:39:29.060 And I accept that.

00:39:30.540 Why can't they do that?

00:39:32.320 That's what I don't understand.

00:39:33.440 Also, as you say, this thing about the media ignoring it, the BBC covering it,

00:39:36.800 not one iota, is absolutely unforgivable and shocking.

00:39:40.540 They are in dereliction of their journalistic duty there, quite clearly.

00:39:43.780 I mean, this is a huge story no matter which way you sit politically.

00:39:47.400 It would be just as big if the tables were turned, if it were the case that it were,

00:39:51.400 you know, I mean, look, Trump's team were trying to get tweets censored, right?

00:39:55.540 The document, they just weren't doing it because they hated Trump, right?

00:39:59.560 So it's not as big a story.

00:40:01.080 It's not as big a story, right?

00:40:02.140 It's a big story that the Democrats were doing it because they actually got those things

00:40:05.920 implemented on a huge scale.

00:40:07.640 That's why that's more of a story.

00:40:08.640 But I also care, Trump's team had no right to be trying to get tweets deleted.

00:40:12.520 I care about that as well.

00:40:13.680 And if the tables were turned entirely, and it was mostly the Republicans who had been

00:40:17.000 doing this, I'd be making the same noise about it.

00:40:19.520 So it's got nothing to do with politics.

00:40:21.480 Well, think about this, Andrew Francis, I'll just finish this and let you go for it.

00:40:26.680 The crucial story that would make your journalistic career as a left-wing journalist 20 years ago

00:40:33.400 would be exposing collusion between government and the FBI.

00:40:37.760 That would be the great scoop.

00:40:41.380 Exposing the establishment corruption between politicians and the intelligence people

00:40:47.340 and big tech, big corporations.

00:40:49.860 That's the left-wing journalistic natural target, isn't it?

00:40:53.220 Right.

00:40:53.520 The collusion between big corporates, big government and big intelligence.

00:40:57.880 That's what it was.

00:40:59.280 And they are now all on board with this.

00:41:01.960 Which goes back to what I was saying earlier about how this is not a left-wing movement.

00:41:05.420 Right?

00:41:05.760 So this is not the same as Occupy Wall Street or anything like that.

00:41:09.740 The fact that self-declared leftists are in bed with the corporate and political class

00:41:15.380 means they are no longer leftists, frankly.

00:41:18.060 And we should stop calling them left-wing, as far as I can see.

00:41:20.940 They can carry on doing that if they want, but they're not.

00:41:22.900 We had an interview with Sam Harris, which went viral,

00:41:25.700 in which he made a number of outrageous statements.

00:41:28.800 But basically, his argument was that he didn't care because the ends justify the means.

00:41:33.440 This isn't this, but just writ large, amongst our entire media, political class, etc.

00:41:40.020 It's exactly that.

00:41:41.040 It's this idea that you will excuse any kind of poor behaviour as long as it's from your own tribe. 0.91

00:41:46.720 I just think it's...

00:41:47.340 I think...

00:41:48.440 Well, you and I are all similar in this.

00:41:50.040 We don't have a tribe, and that's the way to be, I think.

00:41:51.980 Like, just don't...

00:41:54.380 Because otherwise, if you align yourself with one way of thinking, one ideology, one group,

00:41:58.640 it means you are literally outsourcing your thinking to someone else.

00:42:01.760 And you're saying, I will never think for myself again. 0.99

00:42:04.320 I mean, you may as well kill yourself at that point. 0.98

00:42:05.900 What's the point? 0.99

00:42:06.400 Seriously, what's the point in being alive if you're just going to say,

00:42:09.120 someone else do my thinking for me?

00:42:11.120 You know, priest, you tell me what to think about the world.

00:42:13.700 I mean, why would you do that to yourself?

00:42:15.700 But these are intelligent people.

00:42:17.320 These are Ivy League graduates.

00:42:19.060 It doesn't matter. 1.00

00:42:20.100 I mean, people at Ivy League schools can be really stupid. 1.00

00:42:23.080 We've seen that. 1.00

00:42:24.080 And particularly now that so many higher education institutions are effectively

00:42:27.300 just churning out ideological nonsense

00:42:29.460 and just attempting to train people to think a certain way,

00:42:32.320 they're not really universities anymore.

00:42:33.840 Just as the activists aren't really left-wing anymore,

00:42:35.660 these universities aren't universities.

00:42:36.940 They're only universities in name, as far as I can see.

00:42:39.800 And another interesting point about the entire story was,

00:42:42.860 a lot of the time, Jack Dorsey didn't even know it was going on.

00:42:45.360 No, I know.

00:42:46.200 Yeah, it's weird, isn't it?

00:42:47.020 Whether that was deliberate, by the way, we don't know.

00:42:49.600 No.

00:42:49.820 That may have been deliberate.

00:42:51.700 He may have put himself in that position so that he could go to Congress,

00:42:54.980 because he's quite possibly lied to Congress under oath.

00:42:58.940 Really?

00:42:59.360 Yeah.

00:42:59.780 It's quite possible that that is what happened.

00:43:01.900 Now, it may be the case that he had plausible deniability about knowing.

00:43:06.020 Right, right, right.

00:43:06.660 Because he said to Congress they don't shadow ban people.

00:43:09.520 Yes, but they, yeah, okay.

00:43:10.920 But the way around that is that they didn't call it shadow banning.

00:43:13.060 They called it visibility filtering.

00:43:14.500 Yes.

00:43:15.200 Which is, you know, which is, I mean, I made the point on my show,

00:43:18.360 you know, this was like when the CIA used to do enhanced interrogation.

00:43:22.120 Which means they could say, we've never tortured anyone.

00:43:24.720 We've just interrogated them in an enhanced way,

00:43:27.840 which means sticking pins in their nails or whatever. 0.98

00:43:30.480 Well, they didn't do that.

00:43:31.520 But they did some pretty nasty stuff.

00:43:33.360 And, you know, just this is something that authoritarians always do.

00:43:37.100 And they've always done it.

00:43:38.040 They've just changed the words to describe the horrible things they're doing.

00:43:41.320 You know, it's like an example I've given before was,

00:43:45.860 there's a bit in one of Salman Rushdie's essays

00:43:48.340 where he talks about watching a general in the Vietnam War

00:43:51.900 talking about, we have achieved 100% mortality response.

00:43:57.000 What he means by that is we've killed everyone.

00:43:59.060 And just by sanitizing it and saying this chilling phrase

00:44:03.080 that sort of gets around the truth,

00:44:05.240 and this is the core belief of all of these identitarian activists,

00:44:08.120 that if we could just change the way that the words

00:44:11.120 and the definitions of words,

00:44:12.780 it means we can make anything palatable, right?

00:44:15.640 So, you know, even down to, you know,

00:44:18.100 a therapist talking to a child who might be confused about their gender,

00:44:21.780 suddenly you call that trans-conversion therapy,

00:44:24.620 and suddenly it becomes an evil, horrible thing that you mustn't do.

00:44:27.320 Whereas actually it's a moral good that you were trying to do.

00:44:29.700 They invert everything.

00:44:30.940 So moral goods become evil and vice versa, right?

00:44:34.300 So, and I find it's got to be the first sign

00:44:37.620 of something creeping into authoritarianism

00:44:39.740 when they start changing definitions

00:44:41.100 and forcing you to accept their definitions.

00:44:43.640 And that's the thing we've got to be really wary of.

00:44:44.900 So visibility filtering, no, it's shadow banning.

00:44:48.040 And they knew what we all meant by shadow banning

00:44:50.880 because they want to use the phrase in the same way.

00:44:53.940 It's trickery, chicanery. 1.00

00:44:56.080 It might end up, as you say, with criminal charges.

00:44:59.200 But I mean, even Elon Musk said Twitter is a crime scene.

00:45:01.840 That's how he described it.

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00:46:06.600 And Andrew, you mentioned Salman Rushdie.

00:46:10.820 Yeah.

00:46:11.540 And I think this year that was not the only incident with him being...

00:46:15.780 Did Sir David Amos happen this year as well?

00:46:17.820 I think it did.

00:46:18.760 Near the start, yeah, it did.

00:46:19.800 And the thing that I found particularly shocking

00:46:23.420 in the Sir David Amos case,

00:46:24.980 it was a British MP who was stabbed to death by a jihadi,

00:46:29.220 was the response from our political class.

00:46:32.700 Incredible.

00:46:33.180 Do you remember what happened?

00:46:34.060 And they used the murder to promote their own ideological agenda.

00:46:39.220 They were all saying we need to clamp down on...

00:46:41.680 Hate speech online. 0.57

00:46:43.900 Trolls online. 0.99

00:46:44.420 Why don't we just clamp down on jihadi stabbing people? 1.00

00:46:46.920 Can we do that? 0.65

00:46:47.520 Well, because that would be to address the actual issue.

00:46:49.620 Right.

00:46:50.780 There was no evidence to suggest that anything to do with this crime

00:46:54.400 had come about due to online trolls.

00:46:56.600 None.

00:46:57.580 It's just MPs didn't like being insulted online,

00:47:00.040 and they used this, they were prepared to use this as to hook on to...

00:47:04.720 I mean, it's so morally repugnant.

00:47:07.860 It just is.

00:47:09.800 And it's an absolute barefaced refusal

00:47:12.120 to address the problem of Islamic extremism.

00:47:16.200 Because to do so...

00:47:18.160 Well, it's the grooming gang situation all over again.

00:47:20.160 You expose yourself to the accusation of racism.

00:47:22.220 But, you know, it makes no sense at all,

00:47:25.620 because, of course, some of the most obvious victims 0.84

00:47:27.740 of this form of extremism are Muslims. 0.97

00:47:30.020 So this is something that we have to address.

00:47:31.920 But you're right, there's that...

00:47:32.980 The Salman Rushdie thing, you know,

00:47:35.140 I found just absolutely horrific, obviously,

00:47:38.060 not just because of the attack,

00:47:40.000 but the response to the attack. 1.00

00:47:41.500 And, you know, who's that idiot at the independence? 1.00

00:47:43.560 Sean O'Grady is his name? 1.00

00:47:44.760 Something Grady. 1.00

00:47:45.700 I think they're all idiots. 1.00

00:47:46.560 Yeah, but he's a real idiot. 1.00

00:47:47.860 And he wrote many years ago about how he would burn a copy 1.00

00:47:51.500 of the Satanic Verses if he had it.

00:47:53.800 I mean, there's all this sort of apologism

00:47:55.780 for the worst kind of authoritarianism

00:47:57.620 that you can possibly have.

00:48:00.400 And why wasn't there just universal condemnation?

00:48:03.560 This happened because he wrote a book, you know?

00:48:07.980 That's it.

00:48:09.260 And I think it's because we failed at the time.

00:48:13.200 1988, 1989, was it?

00:48:14.740 When the Satanic Verses came out?

00:48:16.700 We sort of capitulated.

00:48:18.300 There were debates on TV, people sort of saying...

00:48:20.120 I mean, I was seven at the time,

00:48:21.420 so I'm probably not responsible.

00:48:22.920 I'm not responsible either, but...

00:48:25.460 I know, I was joking.

00:48:26.480 But there were people saying,

00:48:28.020 well, maybe he shouldn't have written a book.

00:48:29.560 I remember, I was at school when it happened.

00:48:31.380 I remember one of my teachers,

00:48:32.600 my Christian theology teacher saying,

00:48:34.200 yeah, but, you know,

00:48:34.720 if you write a book insulting someone's religion,

00:48:36.300 you get what you deserve.

00:48:37.720 And, you know, so...

00:48:39.960 I mean, you did grow up in Northern Ireland, actually.

00:48:42.120 I didn't grow up in Northern Ireland.

00:48:43.280 No, I didn't.

00:48:43.740 You went to a madrasa in Pakistan.

00:48:46.180 No, I didn't.

00:48:46.980 But what astonished me,

00:48:49.340 I even knew at the time,

00:48:50.640 even as a kid, that that was wrong.

00:48:52.680 To say, to victim blame,

00:48:55.000 to use the current parlance, right?

00:48:56.240 To say that you can't, you know,

00:48:58.300 the idea that, for a start,

00:49:00.020 they hadn't read the book, you know,

00:49:01.820 and it is a brilliant book.

00:49:03.120 So let's just get that out of the way.

00:49:05.580 But this sort of attack reminds us

00:49:07.900 that actually,

00:49:09.280 could the Satanic Verses be published today?

00:49:11.140 Would anyone even dare write this today?

00:49:13.480 And the reason they weren't

00:49:14.400 is because we failed from 1988 right through to now.

00:49:17.940 Even with Charlie Hebdo, when that happened,

00:49:19.920 we failed to come out in,

00:49:21.460 to get what we did for like five minutes

00:49:22.760 and say we condemn this.

00:49:24.540 But actually,

00:49:25.060 the media should have put those pictures everywhere. 0.97

00:49:28.220 You know, everyone should be saying,

00:49:29.240 this is not right.

00:49:30.120 You shouldn't...

00:49:31.760 It's something I get particularly wound up about

00:49:35.500 because the idea that an artist

00:49:38.180 could be attacked or killed for their art

00:49:41.880 is, it's kind of like, to me,

00:49:43.740 a complete repudiation of civilisation

00:49:45.500 and everything that we have achieved.

00:49:48.040 And Salman Rushdie said this himself.

00:49:49.720 He wrote a really brilliant memoir

00:49:50.920 called Joseph Anton.

00:49:52.780 Joseph Anton being the pseudonym

00:49:54.400 that he used when he was in hiding.

00:49:56.560 And in this memoir,

00:49:57.400 he recalls seeing on the streets of Bradford

00:49:59.300 the images of his book being burnt.

00:50:02.200 It wasn't just burnt,

00:50:02.760 it was crucified, then immolated.

00:50:04.580 It was nailed to a piece of wood

00:50:05.980 and then it was set on fire.

00:50:07.240 And he said that visual image

00:50:09.240 felt to him like

00:50:10.700 that the achievement of the Enlightenment

00:50:12.540 was somehow temporary or reversible.

00:50:15.740 And it's true. 0.56

00:50:16.860 The image of a burning book,

00:50:18.300 it chills us.

00:50:19.480 Not because the book...

00:50:20.300 The book's replaceable,

00:50:21.140 it's just a thing.

00:50:22.620 But because it reminds us

00:50:23.540 of those Pathé newsreels of Goebbels

00:50:25.180 in the Open Platz

00:50:26.340 or the Babel Platz,

00:50:27.300 as it's now called in Berlin,

00:50:29.000 casually tossing books onto the fire.

00:50:31.400 We think of Fahrenheit 451,

00:50:34.580 you know,

00:50:35.600 these things matter to us

00:50:37.460 because of what it represents.

00:50:38.900 And the idea that activists now,

00:50:40.840 you see a kind of collision

00:50:42.280 between ultra-conservative religious extremists

00:50:46.180 and identitarian leftist activists

00:50:48.340 who will happily burn,

00:50:49.940 we talked about it, didn't we,

00:50:50.820 the flame purification ceremony in Canada

00:50:53.180 where school boards burnt books

00:50:55.520 because they had problematic representations.

00:50:58.400 Or where activists over here

00:51:00.080 burn copies of Harry Potter.

00:51:02.540 And they don't think

00:51:03.980 that this has some kind of historical resonance.

00:51:06.500 And they don't see

00:51:07.520 how authoritarian that act is

00:51:10.040 and how unforgivable that act is.

00:51:11.980 And this is why I get bothered

00:51:13.000 by Just Stop Oil vandalizing

00:51:14.500 great works of art

00:51:15.500 such as The Sunflowers by Vincent van Gogh.

00:51:17.040 And yes, you could say

00:51:17.980 there's a plastic,

00:51:19.020 there's a, you know, glass,

00:51:20.820 the thing isn't being damaged.

00:51:22.920 But the symbolism of that,

00:51:24.820 the complete negation

00:51:25.980 of human civilization

00:51:27.580 and artistic achievement

00:51:28.780 that is so wrapped up in that movement,

00:51:30.800 the complete mistrust of humanity,

00:51:32.540 the degradation of humanity,

00:51:33.980 that that's,

00:51:34.480 to attack that masterpiece

00:51:36.840 tells us all you need to know

00:51:38.540 about these people's mindsets

00:51:39.480 and how little they care

00:51:40.920 for all of the achievements of humankind.

00:51:43.000 Sorry, that was a rant.

00:51:44.360 And a welcome one.

00:51:46.000 Yeah.

00:51:46.280 It just, it winds me up,

00:51:47.720 as you can tell.

00:51:48.420 Yeah.

00:51:49.240 Very well put.

00:51:50.520 But I think there's something else

00:51:52.560 more basic going on here,

00:51:55.440 which is the cowardice of our elites.

00:51:58.460 The people who should stand up

00:52:00.220 and should condemn,

00:52:01.600 who have the platforms,

00:52:03.360 they don't do it.

00:52:04.340 So on the one hand,

00:52:06.000 I have some sympathy.

00:52:07.980 It is quite scary

00:52:09.220 when the people you're condemning

00:52:10.760 have a habit of beheading people.

00:52:12.680 So I get that. 0.93

00:52:14.280 That is a deterrent.

00:52:15.220 Right.

00:52:16.080 I think that is,

00:52:17.980 from a human level,

00:52:18.780 I completely understand that.

00:52:20.320 But when you're talking about

00:52:21.120 a whole media class

00:52:22.160 or a whole political class

00:52:23.420 failing to address that issue,

00:52:25.440 you know,

00:52:25.740 there's safety in numbers as well.

00:52:26.900 You know,

00:52:27.140 politicians have a responsibility

00:52:28.680 to address that issue.

00:52:30.800 So, you know,

00:52:32.760 I understand why people

00:52:34.240 don't want to mock

00:52:35.440 or attack a religion

00:52:37.740 when there's a tiny minority

00:52:38.720 of that religion

00:52:39.360 who will take action

00:52:40.660 into their own hands.

00:52:41.280 I get that.

00:52:42.280 But that doesn't mean

00:52:42.860 that we as a society

00:52:43.780 shouldn't be having

00:52:44.280 these conversations

00:52:44.920 or that it's forgivable

00:52:46.160 to leave those girls 1.00

00:52:47.240 to be raped and abused 1.00

00:52:48.420 just because we don't want 1.00

00:52:49.260 to be accused of being racist.

00:52:50.600 Or indeed,

00:52:51.260 at the Manchester Arena bombing

00:52:52.340 where the man was not intercepted

00:52:54.000 because people were afraid

00:52:54.760 of being called racist.

00:52:55.940 You know,

00:52:56.080 this isn't good enough.

00:52:57.220 And it's also Batley Grammar School

00:52:58.960 with the unions.

00:53:00.160 Oh,

00:53:00.300 that was incredible,

00:53:01.080 yeah.

00:53:01.400 But notice that again in Batley,

00:53:02.980 these are the Muslim protesters

00:53:04.080 who one of the teachers

00:53:06.120 had showed a cartoon

00:53:06.980 of the Prophet Muhammad

00:53:07.700 and they wanted to,

00:53:08.940 but they used the language

00:53:09.720 of the intersectional woke.

00:53:11.100 They said,

00:53:11.560 we felt unsafe

00:53:12.680 and the students are unsafe now

00:53:14.700 and this is a safeguarding issue.

00:53:16.760 See,

00:53:16.940 they borrow from each other.

00:53:18.000 The similarities shouldn't surprise us

00:53:19.560 because although they're not

00:53:20.820 morally comparable,

00:53:21.980 they are both authoritarian branches

00:53:23.640 of different kinds.

00:53:24.780 It shouldn't surprise us

00:53:25.560 that they do this.

00:53:26.420 And again,

00:53:26.740 I should point out

00:53:27.380 Batley Grammar School protesters,

00:53:29.000 they weren't attacking anyone.

00:53:30.520 They didn't threaten anyone.

00:53:31.580 But the teacher did get death threats

00:53:33.420 from other quarters.

00:53:35.200 Yeah.

00:53:35.400 We had this year

00:53:36.100 The Lady of Heaven,

00:53:36.880 the film where Cineworld capitulated.

00:53:39.500 So you have these protesters

00:53:40.440 outside these cinemas

00:53:41.300 and I support peaceful protest.

00:53:43.320 They should be able to do that.

00:53:45.060 I had an imam on my show 0.98

00:53:46.640 debating this very topic.

00:53:48.540 I think they should be allowed

00:53:49.360 to express their displeasure

00:53:50.240 with the film.

00:53:51.060 But Cineworld should not capitulate

00:53:52.380 and shut down a film

00:53:53.460 made by Muslims, 1.00

00:53:54.640 by the way. 0.92

00:53:55.480 They were just made by 0.91

00:53:56.300 the wrong type of Muslim, 1.00

00:53:57.900 right?

00:53:58.480 So that's what bothers me about it.

00:54:00.560 There was no individual

00:54:01.380 risk for Cineworld

00:54:02.760 to not show this film.

00:54:05.160 You know,

00:54:06.340 that's not a...

00:54:07.420 But you say that,

00:54:08.060 I don't know if that's true.

00:54:09.040 I mean,

00:54:09.240 we don't know if that's true.

00:54:10.380 What if they didn't shut down

00:54:11.480 the film,

00:54:11.880 the protest continued

00:54:12.740 and eventually

00:54:13.360 the manager of the cinema

00:54:15.320 gets stabbed.

00:54:16.120 I mean,

00:54:16.380 that's what he's scared of,

00:54:18.520 isn't it?

00:54:18.980 It's a possibility.

00:54:19.640 But Andrew,

00:54:20.000 since we've got serious,

00:54:21.140 I suppose the question

00:54:22.060 I've been thinking about

00:54:23.060 over the course of the last year

00:54:24.640 is we talk about

00:54:25.760 all this culture war silliness

00:54:27.120 and I think it's important.

00:54:28.840 I don't trivialise it.

00:54:30.660 But one of the things

00:54:32.640 that I think

00:54:33.340 has happened

00:54:34.640 in the last

00:54:35.460 kind of 20 years

00:54:36.840 is the world

00:54:38.420 that we lived in before

00:54:40.760 where,

00:54:41.600 you know,

00:54:43.360 the economy was doing

00:54:44.280 quite well

00:54:44.900 and everything was

00:54:46.020 quite comfortable

00:54:46.820 and there weren't really that,

00:54:48.220 you know,

00:54:48.440 there was no wars

00:54:49.320 going on

00:54:49.960 of major significance

00:54:51.260 that affected us

00:54:52.460 in the West.

00:54:53.880 that world

00:54:55.380 is slowly ending.

00:54:56.800 The economy 1.00

00:54:57.660 is absolutely fucked. 1.00

00:54:59.960 There's a war 1.00

00:55:00.840 that broke out in Europe.

00:55:02.160 We had a pandemic.

00:55:04.500 Everyone and their dog

00:55:05.520 is on strike

00:55:06.280 at the moment

00:55:06.900 in this country.

00:55:08.780 Do you think

00:55:09.840 that,

00:55:10.880 given that we've got

00:55:12.240 really tough times ahead,

00:55:13.340 I'm unfortunately convinced

00:55:15.460 that that is going,

00:55:16.280 in the real world,

00:55:17.140 that is going to be the case.

00:55:18.540 Do you think

00:55:19.280 we will look

00:55:20.800 back at this year

00:55:22.540 and the last few years

00:55:23.440 and think

00:55:23.820 we got distracted

00:55:25.040 from serious things

00:55:26.240 or do you think

00:55:27.020 this craziness

00:55:27.640 is just going to run and run?

00:55:28.720 It's a really good question

00:55:29.540 but I think it's,

00:55:31.200 I think the crux of it

00:55:32.280 was 2020.

00:55:33.440 I think it was

00:55:33.800 the summer of 2020.

00:55:34.820 I think that's where

00:55:35.260 the culture war exploded

00:55:36.260 into the mainstream

00:55:37.260 and I don't think

00:55:38.040 that can now be ignored.

00:55:40.540 You know,

00:55:40.900 I've always said

00:55:41.620 and argued

00:55:42.000 that the culture war

00:55:42.740 is a key issue

00:55:44.700 because it wins

00:55:45.260 and loses elections.

00:55:46.340 Yes.

00:55:46.660 It determines 0.63

00:55:47.180 the course of history.

00:55:49.140 It's something

00:55:49.700 that we ignore

00:55:50.160 in our peril

00:55:50.660 and I'm very mistrustful

00:55:52.060 of people to say

00:55:52.480 it's a distraction

00:55:53.200 from other issues

00:55:54.520 because you can care

00:55:55.580 about more than one issue

00:55:56.820 but also people

00:55:57.700 who say that

00:55:58.180 they effectively,

00:55:59.680 usually what it is

00:56:00.960 is they agree

00:56:01.760 with the culture warrior's stance

00:56:03.200 and so they don't want

00:56:03.900 criticism of their

00:56:04.760 precious ideology.

00:56:06.500 That's normally what it is.

00:56:07.780 Of course,

00:56:09.380 these things are all important

00:56:10.860 and you don't just ignore

00:56:13.460 one important thing

00:56:14.820 because there's something

00:56:15.460 that might be

00:56:15.920 slightly more important.

00:56:17.180 You don't do that.

00:56:17.980 You address various things

00:56:18.740 particularly if you're in politics.

00:56:20.240 Now, what Ron DeSantis

00:56:20.980 has really got right

00:56:21.900 is that he has prioritized

00:56:23.360 the economy

00:56:24.000 and things such as COVID

00:56:25.380 and getting people

00:56:27.720 back to schools,

00:56:28.320 getting people back to work

00:56:29.200 and actually running

00:56:30.500 his area,

00:56:33.060 Florida,

00:56:33.420 in an efficient way

00:56:35.240 but he also hasn't neglected

00:56:36.860 cultural issues

00:56:37.620 and has been talking about

00:56:38.680 how we need to tackle

00:56:39.960 critical race theory

00:56:41.220 in schools,

00:56:42.020 the racial division

00:56:42.700 that it engenders,

00:56:44.280 gender identity ideology

00:56:45.400 and the problems

00:56:46.660 that that causes 0.93

00:56:47.340 for gay people

00:56:48.000 and for women.

00:56:48.620 He does address

00:56:49.380 all of those stuff

00:56:50.020 but he also handles

00:56:51.120 all the other things.

00:56:51.940 So I think for a politician

00:56:52.840 to just focus solely

00:56:53.920 on cultural issues

00:56:54.660 is a nonsense

00:56:55.620 because we have

00:56:56.460 all of these economic issues

00:56:57.760 to deal with

00:56:58.220 and to prioritize

00:56:58.860 but by the same token,

00:57:00.640 a government that ignores

00:57:01.940 cultural issues

00:57:02.400 or stokes them

00:57:04.180 is also making matters worse

00:57:06.100 and the Tory party

00:57:06.860 is hugely to blame.

00:57:09.080 I mean,

00:57:09.260 the culture war

00:57:09.820 has escalated in this country

00:57:10.920 since 2012 roughly

00:57:12.340 and the Tories

00:57:13.620 have been in charge

00:57:14.240 all of that time

00:57:15.200 and they've made it worse.

00:57:16.440 The civil service

00:57:16.960 is now out of control.

00:57:18.680 It's completely captured.

00:57:20.360 That's the machinery

00:57:21.020 of government right there

00:57:22.040 and no one's doing

00:57:23.080 anything about it.

00:57:24.140 The NHS completely captured

00:57:25.700 and the Tories

00:57:26.880 are nowhere to be seen.

00:57:28.260 It's like they just

00:57:28.760 don't care about this stuff

00:57:29.640 or they don't understand it.

00:57:31.480 If they were genuinely

00:57:32.400 conservative

00:57:32.920 they would do something

00:57:33.660 about it

00:57:34.220 and you don't even

00:57:35.080 have to be conservative.

00:57:36.160 If you were genuinely

00:57:36.820 left-wing

00:57:37.320 you would do something

00:57:37.900 about it.

00:57:38.560 Or if you were

00:57:39.000 genuinely liberal

00:57:39.700 you'd do something about it.

00:57:40.300 Right, exactly.

00:57:41.040 There is no excuse

00:57:41.800 for Labour

00:57:42.320 and the Tories

00:57:43.300 and for that matter

00:57:43.980 the Lib Dems

00:57:44.560 not to prioritise

00:57:45.660 completely quashing

00:57:46.980 this culture war

00:57:48.100 and the culture warriors

00:57:49.040 that fight it.

00:57:49.700 So why haven't they?

00:57:51.360 I don't think they get it.

00:57:53.160 I don't think they

00:57:53.760 understand

00:57:54.780 what the implications are.

00:57:56.600 I think they're starting to

00:57:57.560 with Tavistock.

00:57:58.720 I think maybe now

00:57:59.380 they're starting to see that.

00:58:01.540 I think

00:58:01.980 you get the egregious stuff

00:58:03.900 like the American school

00:58:04.780 segregating children 0.86

00:58:05.640 by skin colour

00:58:06.200 after extracurricular

00:58:07.900 activities and stuff

00:58:08.600 and we can all laugh at that

00:58:09.680 although it's really 0.99

00:58:10.360 fucking horrible. 0.97

00:58:12.520 But has there ever been 0.99

00:58:13.960 a precedent

00:58:14.380 where that has gone badly?

00:58:15.960 What?

00:58:16.240 Racial segregation?

00:58:17.140 Exactly.

00:58:17.540 Good point.

00:58:18.320 Good point.

00:58:19.360 But it's interesting,

00:58:20.240 you know,

00:58:20.540 Eric Kaufman recently

00:58:21.340 did a study

00:58:21.920 about the extent

00:58:22.760 to which critical race theory

00:58:23.740 and gender identity ideology

00:58:24.780 which are basically

00:58:25.240 the two tines

00:58:26.240 of the same pitchfork.

00:58:28.500 The extent to which

00:58:29.780 that is now

00:58:30.380 the norm in schools

00:58:31.820 in the UK.

00:58:32.840 Most children

00:58:33.680 encounter both.

00:58:35.560 Most children

00:58:36.120 are taught in one way

00:58:36.960 or another

00:58:37.200 both of these things.

00:58:39.160 Don't divide us

00:58:40.080 did many, many

00:58:40.900 freedom of information

00:58:41.740 requests to schools

00:58:42.520 and councils

00:58:43.020 and found the same thing.

00:58:44.780 We've got evidence.

00:58:45.880 We've seen the Brighton Council's

00:58:47.180 anti-racist school strategy

00:58:48.400 which is a direct template

00:58:49.880 of critical race theory

00:58:50.740 being implemented.

00:58:51.320 So the argument

00:58:52.860 that this really

00:58:53.600 isn't happening

00:58:54.260 is a lie

00:58:55.320 and we now have

00:58:56.000 the evidence for that.

00:58:57.460 So why then

00:58:58.360 does not the education

00:58:59.180 secretary step in? 0.92

00:59:00.720 Why does not

00:59:01.280 the health secretary

00:59:01.940 step in?

00:59:02.880 Why don't,

00:59:03.740 you know,

00:59:03.940 why when you have

00:59:04.720 an official NHS policy

00:59:06.360 of accommodating patients

00:59:07.860 by gender identity

00:59:08.840 rather than sex

00:59:09.820 and also in addition

00:59:11.360 to that having

00:59:11.820 an official NHS policy

00:59:13.080 whereby if a biological

00:59:14.540 woman complains 1.00

00:59:15.540 because there's a

00:59:15.980 biological male

00:59:16.740 on her ward

00:59:17.720 she is to be told

00:59:18.860 you are wrong. 0.79

00:59:19.920 There are no,

00:59:20.340 there are no men here.

00:59:22.520 That is official NHS policy 0.80

00:59:23.940 is to gaslight women. 0.99

00:59:26.400 Even to the extent 0.82

00:59:27.200 when there was a sexual assault

00:59:28.180 on a ward

00:59:28.620 the police came to investigate

00:59:29.800 and the police were told

00:59:30.740 it couldn't have happened

00:59:31.680 because there was no man

00:59:32.340 on that ward.

00:59:33.600 Right?

00:59:34.020 This is really serious

00:59:35.260 and at what point

00:59:36.360 does the government say

00:59:37.040 actually we're going to

00:59:37.980 do something about it?

00:59:39.200 For ages Boris Johnson

00:59:40.360 talked about a war on woke.

00:59:42.100 I don't think he even knows

00:59:42.800 what woke means.

00:59:43.660 No.

00:59:44.240 I don't think he even knows

00:59:44.980 that the Tories are woke.

00:59:47.340 I don't think he gets that.

00:59:48.920 So until,

00:59:49.720 so in other words

00:59:50.180 the culture war

00:59:50.700 to answer your question

00:59:51.760 hugely important

00:59:53.020 because it has massive effects

00:59:55.080 on people's lives

00:59:56.080 it's also a massive waste of money

00:59:58.140 the amount that is spent

00:59:59.100 on diversity

00:59:59.620 and equity

01:00:00.320 and inclusion training

01:00:01.360 which money that could

01:00:03.080 by the way

01:00:03.620 be better placed

01:00:05.480 in terms of our

01:00:06.080 economic deprivation

01:00:07.380 but to not address that

01:00:10.320 is completely myopic

01:00:12.340 in my view.

01:00:12.980 I think you can do both

01:00:14.420 and you can do both

01:00:15.440 effectively.

01:00:16.000 You just have to

01:00:16.400 firstly you have to

01:00:17.140 take the effort

01:00:17.580 to understand it

01:00:18.640 and then you have to

01:00:20.020 implement some policies

01:00:20.880 that will address it.

01:00:22.480 This is,

01:00:23.080 I mean the reason

01:00:23.860 I wrote my book

01:00:24.720 is because I feel

01:00:25.660 people don't understand

01:00:26.520 the problems

01:00:27.140 and the whole book

01:00:27.760 is about trying

01:00:28.140 to explain the problems

01:00:29.480 you know

01:00:30.200 I'm not saying

01:00:30.880 Tory should buy my book

01:00:32.360 but yeah they should

01:00:32.920 they should all

01:00:33.440 you know

01:00:34.200 just make the effort

01:00:35.740 to understand

01:00:36.440 the problem

01:00:37.560 and then resolve

01:00:38.340 the problem

01:00:38.700 I suppose

01:00:39.020 is what I'm saying.

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01:01:08.300 So we're coming

01:01:11.780 to the end

01:01:12.280 of the interview

01:01:12.880 and it was meant

01:01:13.840 to be a light-hearted

01:01:14.660 positive

01:01:15.060 It was too serious

01:01:16.100 No

01:01:16.480 I always do this

01:01:17.240 No but it's great

01:01:17.800 But it's great

01:01:18.400 It started light-hearted

01:01:19.380 we did a bit of serious

01:01:20.340 we'll finish on a knob gag

01:01:21.640 Everybody's happy

01:01:23.040 I always do this though

01:01:24.400 don't I

01:01:24.640 I had this the other way

01:01:25.920 What knob gags?

01:01:26.860 Knob gags

01:01:27.320 I was on a podcast

01:01:28.420 in America

01:01:28.780 and I got loads of comments

01:01:29.460 like you're too serious

01:01:30.340 I'm like yeah maybe

01:01:31.000 But no it's been great

01:01:32.700 but let's focus

01:01:33.840 let's focus

01:01:34.820 on something positive

01:01:35.840 Can we see

01:01:37.280 the green shoots

01:01:38.000 of recovery

01:01:38.660 Andrew

01:01:39.760 in terms of common sense

01:01:41.120 in terms of fighting back

01:01:42.280 against the nonsense

01:01:43.020 Come on give me something

01:01:43.940 Yeah I don't really

01:01:45.260 I don't really like

01:01:46.060 the phrase common sense

01:01:47.240 because it implies

01:01:47.940 that there's a kind of

01:01:48.660 there's just something

01:01:49.700 we all know

01:01:50.240 I get what you're driving at

01:01:51.680 Yeah

01:01:51.940 You know

01:01:54.620 do we get

01:01:55.700 do we come back

01:01:56.820 there are signs

01:01:58.000 okay yeah

01:01:58.660 there are signs

01:01:59.480 that people are

01:02:00.380 He doesn't believe it

01:02:01.380 No no

01:02:01.820 I've done my best

01:02:02.980 No I'm trying

01:02:03.440 I'm going to be positive here

01:02:04.640 Okay

01:02:05.000 No Andrew

01:02:05.580 you don't have to be positive

01:02:06.460 because I think

01:02:06.980 what people actually want to hear

01:02:08.200 is what you really think

01:02:09.120 Yeah

01:02:09.380 Yeah

01:02:10.020 but what I really think

01:02:11.840 Of course you can come up

01:02:13.420 with a positive example

01:02:14.740 but what do you think

01:02:15.700 are you optimistic

01:02:16.960 for the future

01:02:17.500 What I think is

01:02:18.180 that I am

01:02:18.660 I am both optimistic

01:02:19.900 and pessimistic

01:02:20.680 and that's why I'm trying

01:02:21.300 to formulate this accurately

01:02:22.300 Cuck

01:02:22.600 Well some days

01:02:24.440 I'm really positive

01:02:25.100 I think wow

01:02:25.620 we're winning this

01:02:26.360 Yeah

01:02:26.680 and some days

01:02:27.280 I think

01:02:27.460 we're absolutely not

01:02:29.580 because every time

01:02:30.100 there is a victory

01:02:30.760 there's like 12

01:02:31.880 setbacks

01:02:33.440 you know

01:02:33.820 and like for instance

01:02:35.240 okay here's one positive thing

01:02:36.720 and it's to do with the young

01:02:39.460 it's to do with the fact

01:02:40.400 that whenever I go

01:02:41.080 and talk in universities

01:02:42.020 the young people

01:02:43.300 the students

01:02:43.660 always really impress me

01:02:44.760 always

01:02:45.680 I've never been

01:02:46.480 and maybe it's because

01:02:47.500 I'm appearing

01:02:49.180 and therefore the kind of

01:02:50.380 people who would come along

01:02:51.520 are unlikely to be antagonistic

01:02:53.020 but then you know

01:02:53.580 you know

01:02:54.620 I gave a talk recently

01:02:55.700 at Gonville and Keys College

01:02:56.740 in Cambridge

01:02:57.200 and it was the week after

01:02:58.260 Helen Joyce had been on

01:02:59.240 and at the same college

01:03:00.640 and she'd had people

01:03:01.500 beating drums

01:03:02.300 and air horns

01:03:03.140 and whatever

01:03:03.580 and students

01:03:04.800 and so I spoke to the students

01:03:06.240 a lot of the students

01:03:06.920 had come to my talk

01:03:07.980 as well

01:03:08.700 I didn't get any protests

01:03:09.960 or anything

01:03:10.180 because I was talking

01:03:10.540 about John Milton

01:03:11.180 and it would be really weird

01:03:12.400 when people got really upset

01:03:13.620 about the author

01:03:14.200 of Paradise Lost

01:03:14.880 that would be bizarre

01:03:15.620 but I was talking to the students

01:03:17.980 afterwards in the pub

01:03:18.820 and some of them had said

01:03:20.060 that they had to sneak in

01:03:21.100 or people had to sneak them

01:03:22.360 into Helen Joyce's talk

01:03:23.540 mostly because they didn't

01:03:24.760 want to be seen

01:03:25.280 by the activists

01:03:25.900 and they didn't want

01:03:26.420 their lives to be

01:03:27.100 you know

01:03:27.540 and so all of that

01:03:28.600 is quite depressing

01:03:29.060 but they were all

01:03:29.740 there were a couple of them

01:03:31.120 who really fundamentally

01:03:32.040 disagreed with me

01:03:33.140 but wanted to talk to me

01:03:35.000 about it

01:03:35.520 I had the same at Oxford

01:03:37.440 at the Oxford Union actually

01:03:38.720 there was a girl 0.68

01:03:39.840 who came up to me

01:03:40.660 and she said

01:03:41.200 so you think

01:03:43.300 there's woke people

01:03:44.020 in Britain

01:03:44.440 and I went

01:03:46.640 yeah

01:03:47.000 and she went

01:03:47.600 can you give me

01:03:48.400 an example

01:03:49.080 and I gave her

01:03:50.180 some examples

01:03:50.700 and she went

01:03:50.900 oh okay

01:03:51.240 you think

01:03:52.260 there are woke people

01:03:53.120 in government

01:03:53.660 I was like

01:03:54.560 yeah

01:03:54.860 and she went

01:03:55.220 can you give me

01:03:55.700 some examples

01:03:56.280 I gave her

01:03:56.880 some examples

01:03:57.420 and then

01:03:58.480 we had that conversation

01:04:00.480 she never formally

01:04:01.880 agreed with me

01:04:02.740 but she kept asking

01:04:03.760 questions

01:04:04.180 and it was very clear

01:04:05.120 that she hadn't

01:04:06.440 thought or researched

01:04:07.560 any of this

01:04:08.340 but her received wisdom

01:04:09.920 was there's no wokeness

01:04:11.240 in the UK

01:04:11.740 it's not a problem

01:04:12.520 it's not an issue

01:04:13.140 it's not causing

01:04:13.680 any problems

01:04:14.260 anyway afterwards

01:04:15.600 she wanted to take

01:04:16.380 a picture

01:04:16.760 with me

01:04:17.560 yeah

01:04:17.860 right

01:04:18.100 now I don't know

01:04:18.600 what the hell

01:04:19.260 she's going to do

01:04:19.880 with that picture

01:04:20.460 but my point is

01:04:21.520 there are young people

01:04:23.280 this is

01:04:24.080 Claire Fox is very good

01:04:25.260 and every time

01:04:25.740 I talk to Claire

01:04:26.360 about this

01:04:26.780 she always kind of

01:04:27.460 gives me

01:04:27.800 a non-physical 0.96

01:04:29.180 slap around the chops 0.70

01:04:30.120 because she's like

01:04:30.800 you've got to remember

01:04:31.620 these are young people

01:04:32.520 yeah

01:04:32.840 their minds are open

01:04:33.840 to change

01:04:34.420 and think about

01:04:35.280 their lives

01:04:35.800 they've grown up

01:04:36.760 in an environment

01:04:37.400 where they're surrounded

01:04:38.280 by people

01:04:38.780 who have a certain opinion

01:04:40.040 they've never really

01:04:41.000 had to question it

01:04:41.940 yeah

01:04:42.260 but they do know

01:04:43.180 deep down inside

01:04:43.980 that if they are

01:04:44.620 the one that questions it

01:04:45.640 their life's going to be

01:04:47.020 ruined by it

01:04:47.580 so of course

01:04:48.380 they have this view

01:04:49.340 but as time goes on

01:04:50.900 as they're exposed

01:04:51.500 to different types

01:04:52.420 of information

01:04:53.060 different types of content

01:04:54.080 different types of people

01:04:54.900 as they meet people

01:04:55.960 like you

01:04:56.380 there is the possibility

01:04:58.680 that you know

01:04:59.220 one out of a billion

01:04:59.980 of them will change

01:05:00.720 their mind

01:05:01.100 well I hope it's more

01:05:02.660 than that

01:05:02.880 and I think

01:05:03.380 they will

01:05:04.380 the other problem

01:05:05.820 of course is

01:05:06.160 they've got the academics

01:05:07.040 people of my age

01:05:07.840 and older

01:05:08.240 who are promoting

01:05:09.120 this stuff

01:05:09.480 in those universities

01:05:10.320 and it's been so

01:05:11.120 sort of

01:05:11.560 there's such a consensus 1.00

01:05:12.500 now of idiocy 1.00

01:05:13.680 among the staff 1.00

01:05:14.560 and that doesn't help

01:05:16.220 right

01:05:16.580 so I think

01:05:16.960 I would blame

01:05:18.020 my generation

01:05:19.220 more than the current

01:05:20.020 younger generation

01:05:21.300 I really would

01:05:21.940 I also

01:05:22.660 I also am

01:05:23.460 you know

01:05:24.880 I'm pleased

01:05:25.560 by the findings

01:05:26.480 of groups

01:05:27.480 such as the

01:05:27.900 More In Common

01:05:28.420 Initiative

01:05:29.180 which has done

01:05:29.800 a sort of

01:05:30.200 very rigorous study

01:05:31.080 on the extent

01:05:32.200 of wokeness

01:05:33.000 if we want to call it that

01:05:33.800 roughly 13%

01:05:35.220 of the country

01:05:35.760 would be classified

01:05:36.300 as within that

01:05:37.080 identitarian woke bracket

01:05:38.620 and that's a

01:05:39.460 that means that

01:05:40.140 they're a minority

01:05:40.680 in all generations

01:05:41.440 and you can see it

01:05:43.100 when you go to these

01:05:43.660 universities

01:05:44.020 you can see that

01:05:45.020 you know

01:05:45.780 I asked one of the students

01:05:48.480 whether you would

01:05:48.940 publish a

01:05:49.640 an article in favour

01:05:51.080 of say

01:05:51.360 LGB Alliance

01:05:52.180 in the university

01:05:53.480 newspaper

01:05:54.020 and they said no

01:05:54.900 but it wasn't because

01:05:55.980 the majority of students

01:05:56.840 wouldn't agree

01:05:57.460 it was because

01:05:58.180 there would be

01:05:58.500 a very vocal minority

01:05:59.600 who would make

01:06:00.320 their disagreement

01:06:00.760 known in a very

01:06:01.500 unpleasant way

01:06:02.260 so as with all

01:06:03.720 of these things

01:06:04.100 in terms of

01:06:04.540 corporations

01:06:05.020 and institutions

01:06:05.880 and the arts

01:06:07.140 and the media

01:06:07.700 and universities

01:06:08.780 it's a very vocal

01:06:10.060 and intimidating

01:06:10.940 minority

01:06:11.440 that seemed

01:06:11.900 to hold the reins

01:06:12.760 now there's a reason

01:06:13.840 to be optimistic

01:06:14.400 there because of

01:06:15.000 pure numbers

01:06:15.780 because of democracy

01:06:16.620 because ultimately

01:06:17.620 once it becomes clear

01:06:18.940 that the majority

01:06:19.900 are more sensible

01:06:21.960 shall we say

01:06:22.540 then they will

01:06:23.280 be more comfortable

01:06:24.220 expressing those

01:06:25.260 viewpoints

01:06:25.700 and I think

01:06:26.160 that's the way

01:06:26.640 we're going

01:06:27.140 and I think

01:06:28.140 from my interaction

01:06:28.860 with students

01:06:29.200 on university campus

01:06:30.360 they are

01:06:31.740 like you say

01:06:32.620 and like Claire Fox

01:06:33.380 rightly points out

01:06:34.260 far more open-minded

01:06:35.580 and willing to have

01:06:36.200 discussions

01:06:36.660 than people give

01:06:37.640 them credit for

01:06:38.220 it's just that

01:06:38.940 the minority

01:06:39.480 who are so active

01:06:40.440 politically

01:06:40.900 make such a noise

01:06:42.300 and they're so boring

01:06:43.280 and you know

01:06:44.020 and it's always

01:06:44.720 been the way

01:06:45.200 there's nothing new

01:06:46.540 about that

01:06:46.740 when I was at university

01:06:47.440 the ones that got

01:06:48.840 into politics

01:06:49.520 were the boars

01:06:51.180 they were the ones

01:06:52.760 who loved the power

01:06:54.560 you know

01:06:55.360 they loved like

01:06:56.220 going around

01:06:56.720 tearing down posters

01:06:57.600 that they disapproved of

01:06:58.640 and you know

01:06:59.300 shaking their fists

01:07:00.100 at people

01:07:00.500 they loved it

01:07:01.620 but no one really

01:07:02.720 took them seriously

01:07:03.460 and so I think

01:07:05.480 I'm going to be

01:07:07.180 optimistic today

01:07:08.000 so maybe if you'd

01:07:09.200 caught me tomorrow

01:07:09.720 it would have been

01:07:10.100 really negative

01:07:10.920 but today I'm going

01:07:11.640 to be really optimistic

01:07:12.160 and say I think

01:07:13.360 it's down

01:07:14.120 I think the future

01:07:14.700 generation shows us

01:07:15.920 that there's a

01:07:16.560 there's a way out

01:07:17.440 and eventually

01:07:18.720 they will come round

01:07:20.300 to the reality

01:07:20.840 I think

01:07:21.360 yeah a good example

01:07:23.040 of this is my cousin

01:07:23.940 was at Sussex

01:07:25.040 yeah

01:07:25.400 when all of this

01:07:26.880 nonsense with Kathleen

01:07:27.820 Stock happened

01:07:28.400 and my cousin

01:07:28.980 he was a young man

01:07:30.140 he was very progressive

01:07:31.700 he was very very very

01:07:33.320 very very left wing

01:07:34.460 yeah

01:07:34.880 and he was walking

01:07:36.200 through the squares

01:07:36.940 whilst they

01:07:37.460 one of the squares

01:07:38.220 in Sussex

01:07:38.800 whilst they were doing

01:07:39.640 the demonstration

01:07:40.500 against her

01:07:41.420 and they all had

01:07:42.600 black balaclavas on

01:07:43.820 yeah

01:07:44.120 and he stopped

01:07:45.380 and looked at them

01:07:46.000 and went

01:07:46.300 I don't think

01:07:47.580 these are the good guys

01:07:48.500 no exactly

01:07:49.320 and he changed his mind

01:07:50.820 and he now loves

01:07:51.460 trigonometry

01:07:52.040 so

01:07:52.400 there we go

01:07:52.900 and that's a result

01:07:53.960 that's what you want

01:07:54.580 and that's how

01:07:55.120 right wing indoctrination

01:07:56.380 happens online

01:07:57.220 but Andrew

01:07:58.440 on a

01:07:59.160 on a

01:07:59.780 pre-Christmas

01:08:01.360 personal note

01:08:02.780 or non-personal note

01:08:03.800 what are you most

01:08:04.460 grateful for this year

01:08:05.480 what am I most

01:08:06.800 grateful for

01:08:07.940 because gratitude

01:08:09.360 is something

01:08:09.820 that we've been

01:08:10.360 thinking about a lot

01:08:11.340 I'm grateful for

01:08:12.080 a lot of things

01:08:13.220 I'm

01:08:14.380 I'm in such

01:08:15.200 a privileged position

01:08:15.980 because I get to

01:08:16.660 my job

01:08:17.420 is that I get to say

01:08:18.540 what I think

01:08:19.120 for a living

01:08:19.680 it's so weird

01:08:20.840 you know

01:08:21.480 I used to be a teacher

01:08:22.480 and there's no way

01:08:24.160 I could express

01:08:24.560 that's my line mate

01:08:25.420 I've trademarked that

01:08:26.380 I'm sorry about that

01:08:27.500 what that you used to be

01:08:28.340 he says it on every show

01:08:29.700 all our audience

01:08:31.160 are massively fed up

01:08:32.340 of him saying

01:08:32.860 I used to be a teacher

01:08:33.760 but you know

01:08:34.100 a lot of

01:08:34.540 you know what it's like

01:08:35.740 being a teacher

01:08:36.240 and you are limited

01:08:38.200 quite rightly

01:08:39.000 because you've entered

01:08:39.500 into a contract

01:08:40.160 you know

01:08:40.440 there's a certain way

01:08:40.900 you behave

01:08:41.240 but like

01:08:42.200 I couldn't be a teacher

01:08:43.060 now

01:08:43.380 not just because

01:08:44.200 of the way I tweet

01:08:45.200 and the way I talk

01:08:45.860 and everything

01:08:46.260 but also because

01:08:47.640 I'd be constantly

01:08:49.120 battling 1.00

01:08:49.640 these stupid speakers 1.00

01:08:51.180 that come into schools 1.00

01:08:52.080 to try and train you

01:08:53.080 on unconscious bias

01:08:53.880 and stuff

01:08:54.080 I don't have the temperament

01:08:55.280 to sit there

01:08:56.180 and take it

01:08:56.820 I would have to tell them

01:08:58.320 why they're wrong

01:08:59.100 because the data's

01:09:01.680 on my side about that

01:09:02.560 like we know that

01:09:03.040 unconscious bias sessions

01:09:04.180 achieve literally nothing

01:09:05.320 and yet here

01:09:06.040 is this person coming in

01:09:07.220 earning a fortune

01:09:08.000 to sell snake oil

01:09:10.040 and I'd want to say

01:09:11.660 and it would be

01:09:12.860 I wouldn't ever get promoted

01:09:14.560 as a teacher now

01:09:15.420 and I wouldn't get anywhere

01:09:16.420 and it would be

01:09:17.640 constant battles

01:09:18.400 and it would be exhausting

01:09:19.280 but I get to have

01:09:20.440 those battles

01:09:21.020 on my own terms now

01:09:22.680 and I get to talk about

01:09:23.560 and I get paid for it

01:09:24.520 and it's a job I love

01:09:27.340 and very few people

01:09:28.880 have jobs

01:09:29.340 that they enjoy

01:09:30.460 and so I'm very grateful

01:09:32.560 for that

01:09:32.980 and I'm very grateful

01:09:33.760 for that

01:09:34.060 I can write the books

01:09:35.460 I want to write

01:09:36.000 and get them published

01:09:36.840 by a good publisher

01:09:38.120 that's really great as well

01:09:39.760 I feel like I'm free

01:09:42.400 to say whatever I want

01:09:43.260 I haven't been censored

01:09:44.420 I don't think I will be

01:09:45.340 I don't think I can be

01:09:46.200 See Andrew

01:09:47.300 there is no problem

01:09:48.100 with free speech

01:09:48.760 in this country

01:09:49.440 There isn't for me

01:09:50.200 but there is

01:09:51.460 for so many people

01:09:52.320 and that's why

01:09:53.060 I'm just joking

01:09:54.160 You know

01:09:54.860 Well Andrew

01:09:56.060 what we're grateful for

01:09:57.020 is having you back

01:09:57.840 as I said

01:09:58.280 for the 174th time

01:09:59.920 Yes

01:10:00.320 No doubt

01:10:00.840 we'll have you back again

01:10:01.740 Everyone should get

01:10:02.560 your latest book

01:10:03.280 The New Puritans 0.98

01:10:04.040 which we've talked to you about

01:10:05.500 and go back

01:10:06.040 and watch that episode

01:10:06.900 We are going to do

01:10:08.160 a few questions

01:10:09.060 from our local supporters

01:10:10.080 that only they will get

01:10:11.640 to see the answers to

01:10:12.560 But for now

01:10:14.140 thank you for joining us

01:10:15.040 and thank you for watching

01:10:16.040 and listening

01:10:16.440 We will see you

01:10:17.300 very very soon

01:10:18.580 with another brilliant episode

01:10:19.740 like this one

01:10:20.520 or our show

01:10:21.480 when we start them

01:10:22.200 back up in January

01:10:22.980 And for those of you

01:10:24.160 who like your trig

01:10:24.900 on the go

01:10:25.660 I shouldn't

01:10:26.220 Trigonometry

01:10:27.140 It's also available

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01:10:29.180 Have a wonderful Christmas

01:10:30.940 a brilliant new year

01:10:32.800 and we can't wait

01:10:33.740 to see each and every one

01:10:34.860 of you back in 2023

01:10:36.280 And this will probably

01:10:37.240 go out after Christmas

01:10:38.200 so hope you've had

01:10:39.100 a lovely Christmas

01:10:39.620 and we'll see you

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01:10:46.000 so embarrassed

01:10:46.700 by Wokism

01:10:47.500 that there will be

01:10:48.900 attempts to frame it

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TRIGGERnometry - December 26, 2022

Andrew Doyle & TRIGGERnometry DESTROY 2022

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