TRIGGERnometry - Andrew Schulz - Comedy, the American Dream and Whores

00:00:00.800 So now we're having these, like, logical arguments with people who are never, like, reasoned into their position.

00:00:06.080 It's like arguing with your wife.

00:00:08.200 You know what I mean?

00:00:09.100 Like, that's why, like, I don't believe that Ben Shapiro's actually married.

00:00:14.240 Like, how could you go, like, with facts don't care about your feelings and also be married?

00:00:18.920 America thrives on our own delusion.

00:00:21.260 Every American, when they're born, believes they will be a millionaire.

00:00:23.660 And some are starting to believe that that's not a possibility.

00:00:26.600 The American dream is not for them.

00:00:28.160 That's what they feel.

00:00:30.000 I'm pro your body, do it what you want with it. 0.91

00:00:32.480 But we're not going to call you a sex worker. 1.00

00:00:36.120 We're not going to, like, thank you at the Oscars or whatever. 1.00

00:00:39.480 You're a whore. 1.00

00:00:42.800 Andrew Schultz? 1.00

00:00:43.780 Yes.

00:00:44.120 Welcome to Trigonometry.

00:00:45.040 Thank you so much.

00:00:45.840 You said that with a focus and dedication and seriousness.

00:00:48.640 I'm ready to go.

00:00:49.340 You're ready to go?

00:00:50.080 Yes.

00:00:50.380 Well, listen, it's an interesting cultural moment.

00:00:54.200 Very, very interesting.

00:00:55.220 A lot of things have changed in a short period of time.

00:00:57.040 What do you make of it all?

00:00:58.160 Well, what specifically?

00:00:58.880 Well, I think, first of all, we watched your special.

00:01:02.800 Oh.

00:01:03.360 Why are you surprised?

00:01:04.960 I don't know.

00:01:05.440 You're busy guys.

00:01:06.900 We're professionals, man.

00:01:07.980 Yeah, mate.

00:01:08.300 I appreciate that.

00:01:09.320 I appreciate that.

00:01:10.420 Okay.

00:01:10.700 It wasn't for the pleasure.

00:01:11.660 You better have.

00:01:12.500 Yeah.

00:01:12.880 Yeah.

00:01:13.360 You better have done that.

00:01:14.040 It wasn't for the joy of watching.

00:01:15.460 We had to make sure. 0.93

00:01:17.460 We were watching cum jokes at 8 o'clock this morning, Andrew. 0.97

00:01:20.340 Yes. 0.98

00:01:20.720 It was great.

00:01:21.400 Yes. 0.99

00:01:21.840 20 minute of masturbating in a hospital. 1.00

00:01:24.000 Yes. 1.00

00:01:24.480 Yes.

00:01:25.380 Wonderful.

00:01:26.040 It's hard to make a baby.

00:01:26.880 It's art.

00:01:27.580 It's real art, Andrew.

00:01:28.680 Thank you.

00:01:29.020 Yeah.

00:01:30.220 But so someone who watched your special now would be like, wokeness never happened because 0.91

00:01:34.880 there's like retards and there's f***ing, I'm just trying to think, everything under 1.00

00:01:39.420 the sun's in there. 0.99

00:01:40.280 No one's offended.

00:01:41.100 Everyone understands it's a joke.

00:01:42.260 Yes.

00:01:42.580 Most of the response, I don't see anybody offended by it.

00:01:46.720 Right.

00:01:46.820 And it's on Netflix and blah, blah.

00:01:48.500 So no one's getting canceled for this stuff anymore.

00:01:51.920 I would say specifically with this special that it's not exactly gratuitous.

00:01:57.060 And because of the story specifically, I'm not like trying to like plug it, but because

00:02:01.840 the story is this like real human story, I think you get a little bit more leeway when

00:02:06.640 you're just out there going, hey, here's my craziest trans joke. 0.97

00:02:09.600 Here's my craziest Chinese people joke. 1.00

00:02:12.580 Like then I think you start to make people feel potentially a little uncomfortable.

00:02:17.080 When the jokes seem rooted in something real, like I've always said this, even with like

00:02:21.140 a sex joke, like if there's a, a sex joke is not a sex joke if it's rooted in like a

00:02:25.560 real experience. 0.99

00:02:26.720 But if you're just like, hey, f***ing vagina is something, now all of a sudden the old 1.00

00:02:31.280 woman in the audience is like, I feel a little uncomfortable. 0.99

00:02:33.360 Yeah. 0.98

00:02:33.560 If you're telling this story of this thing that happened and a vagina happens to be included 1.00

00:02:37.700 in it, that old lady is dying laughing. 1.00

00:02:39.680 So I think because of the nature of like the vulnerability in the story, like nobody gets made

00:02:44.320 fun of more than me in that hour.

00:02:46.480 So it's very hard for somebody to like see it, hear a joke about like one of these specifically,

00:02:51.260 you know, ostracized groups and be like, man, I had it hard in that hour.

00:02:55.120 I think the Staten Island people had it very hard in that hour.

00:02:57.680 They deserve it.

00:02:59.440 No, no, they're the best.

00:03:01.160 Shout out to them.

00:03:01.840 Yeah, they did get it.

00:03:02.860 But on the other hand, you open Twitter.

00:03:05.200 Yeah.

00:03:05.460 And you go, oh, this is a whole different experience, right?

00:03:08.200 So what do you make of the kind of post-Trump effect and culturally what's happening at

00:03:12.980 the moment?

00:03:13.320 That's where I'm going with this.

00:03:14.840 Yeah.

00:03:15.020 I'm trying to think like, what is the post-Trump?

00:03:16.840 Like, I'm trying to kind of dial in what you're getting at.

00:03:19.700 Like the discourse on Twitter, is that?

00:03:22.680 Because I would say that that preceded Trump's win.

00:03:24.820 Tell me more.

00:03:25.780 Yeah.

00:03:25.960 I just feel like, you know, Elon opened it up and you buy a Ferrari and you see how fast

00:03:31.440 it goes.

00:03:32.380 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:03:32.920 It's like everybody, you get a new car, you need to go, okay, how fast does this fucking car 0.99

00:03:36.960 go? 0.99

00:03:37.120 So when they say, you could say whatever you want, people are like, all right, let's 0.96

00:03:42.060 fucking, let's see about that, you know? 0.92

00:03:44.880 And he was about that action. 0.99

00:03:46.900 Like, he doesn't seem like people are getting kicked off.

00:03:49.640 So I think people are going through that experience where they have the new car and eventually

00:03:54.800 you go, I don't really need to drive the car as fast as the car goes.

00:03:58.820 I just need to kind of like operate with some comfort in this car.

00:04:02.080 And I think that's what we'll eventually get back to.

00:04:04.240 But you have to have the patience to let that pendulum swing back.

00:04:07.120 And most people don't have that patience.

00:04:10.400 So like if this was a publicly traded company, the shareholders would start to go, what the

00:04:14.540 hell is going on? 0.79

00:04:15.460 The stock price is dipped, you know, 70% or whatever the f*** it dipped. 0.94

00:04:18.700 My savings is dipping.

00:04:21.360 We need to change.

00:04:22.480 Get Elon out of there.

00:04:23.560 Get whatever president is out of there.

00:04:26.020 Get somebody else in that's going to make sure the stock goes up.

00:04:29.460 Because it's privately owned, we can kind of thug it out for, let's say, next few years,

00:04:34.120 hopefully.

00:04:34.940 And things normalize again.

00:04:37.960 It's interesting that you say that because you're saying the pendulum swung and it hopefully

00:04:42.440 will come back to the center.

00:04:44.480 Yeah.

00:04:45.180 The pendulum hasn't been in the center, Andrew, for a very long time.

00:04:48.440 It feels like it was up there.

00:04:50.080 And now we were in the center for a little bit.

00:04:52.020 And I'm like, well, you know, you know that the boat that you used to go on in the fair

00:04:55.260 ground when you go up and that kind of feels like life now, doesn't it?

00:04:58.360 Yeah, but if you notice that I'm going to make this statement with, like, zero knowledge

00:05:03.900 of physics, but I would presume that that boat or that ride that we're talking about

00:05:08.980 spends more time on the edges than it does in the middle, right?

00:05:13.920 Because, like, think about it.

00:05:15.400 It slows down as it gets to the top and it passes back slow as it starts to gain momentum

00:05:21.740 again.

00:05:22.280 And the smallest amount of time it spends is at this point right here because it's at

00:05:26.000 peak speed before it starts slowing down again. 0.99

00:05:28.360 If there's some scientists out there that is going, you know what the fuck you're talking 0.98

00:05:31.560 about, yes, you're right. 0.98

00:05:32.660 But I think that's what you're seeing.

00:05:34.580 So it's like it was a lot of time on the left.

00:05:36.700 Yeah.

00:05:36.840 And then now you're going to see a lot of time on the right and the right's going to 0.99

00:05:40.480 fucking ruin it. 0.99

00:05:41.160 And they're going to say crazy fucking shit and be just as, like, offended and concerned 1.00

00:05:45.460 as the left was. 1.00

00:05:46.460 Like, you already see that, like, the protectionist behavior about, like, their heroes.

00:05:52.240 And, yeah, it's unfortunate.

00:05:54.960 I hope it doesn't happen.

00:05:55.940 What do you mean?

00:05:55.960 Like, what heroes? 0.82

00:05:56.680 If you criticize Elon in any other in any way, there are people that, like, knee jerk

00:06:01.760 reaction or just like, how the dare you?

00:06:03.800 And they try to cancel you.

00:06:05.200 And they do the exact same thing that maybe they were criticizing the left of doing for

00:06:09.940 the last eight years.

00:06:11.880 So and it's just humans.

00:06:13.480 It's like what we do.

00:06:14.540 You know, it's a Rorschach test, right?

00:06:17.760 It's like whatever you believe, you see, you know, if you're somebody who is very for,

00:06:24.720 you know, free speech and you like jokes and you're not a big, like, identity politics guy,

00:06:31.140 you'll watch this show and you'd be like, you know, those two guys are the truth.

00:06:34.360 They're the realest ever.

00:06:35.500 I love them.

00:06:36.200 Thank God they're, like, protecting free speech.

00:06:38.900 And if you're somebody who's the opposite of that, you'll watch this show and you're 0.99

00:06:41.280 like, those guys are Nazis and they're assholes and how dare they push this kind of rhetoric 1.00

00:06:47.080 and this is what's wrong with the whole world. 1.00

00:06:49.320 You're the same guys.

00:06:50.960 So it's very difficult to, like, convince somebody to feel something different.

00:06:54.740 There's that great Jonathan Haidt book.

00:06:55.960 Did you guys read that?

00:06:56.620 Right to Spine or whatever.

00:06:57.720 This is a perfect example.

00:06:58.420 Like, I didn't know that that's how our brains work, but now it makes perfect sense.

00:07:02.120 We feel something.

00:07:03.280 We retrofit a justification on it.

00:07:05.640 End of story.

00:07:07.100 So now we're having these, like, logical arguments with people who were never, like, reasoned

00:07:10.620 into their position.

00:07:12.380 It's like arguing with your wife.

00:07:14.500 You know what I mean?

00:07:15.380 Like, seriously, honestly, going to therapy with my wife has taught me everything about,

00:07:22.140 like, communicating with people on the internet.

00:07:24.220 But when they feel something, like, if you and you guys are married, you guys have, okay,

00:07:30.460 great.

00:07:31.020 I am.

00:07:31.700 You?

00:07:32.000 He's smart.

00:07:33.120 Yeah.

00:07:34.440 So it's like, your wife, you do something, pisses off your wife, right? 0.64

00:07:38.640 Now, is the smartest thing to do to, like, logically explain to her why she shouldn't be pissed off?

00:07:44.140 I have tried that many times.

00:07:45.540 How does that work?

00:07:46.440 When you go, not good, man.

00:07:47.880 I hear these data points that show why you shouldn't be angry.

00:07:51.120 Yeah, that has never worked out.

00:07:53.280 You're saying she never goes, oh, you're right, that data does make me less angry.

00:07:56.720 No, I've never heard a woman say the words you were right in my entire life. 1.00

00:08:00.120 That's why, like, I don't believe that Ben Shapiro's actually married.

00:08:04.600 Like, how could you go, like, facts don't care about your feelings and also be married?

00:08:08.740 Like, you would know that feelings don't care about facts.

00:08:12.020 Right.

00:08:12.300 And you would know that's what motivates human interaction constantly, right?

00:08:15.540 So what we should be doing online is meeting people where they are emotionally, satisfying that feeling, and then distributing some facts.

00:08:25.800 And it's, that's a very, very good point.

00:08:30.740 Because what we are in now is a boat is going up this way.

00:08:34.060 And what I find really interesting is there's been a lot of comedians, and I understand why.

00:08:38.300 Because Kamala was such a dreadful candidate. 1.00

00:08:41.560 Yeah. 0.90

00:08:41.760 Awful.

00:08:42.240 Trump was a better candidate, we can all agree.

00:08:43.900 Sure.

00:08:44.080 But now the boat's coming up here, and the right are in power, and they're going to start doing some pretty dodgy things.

00:08:51.480 And those comedians who've come out and been pro-Trump, that leaves you in a pretty difficult position now, doesn't it?

00:08:58.760 Yeah, it depends.

00:08:59.680 Like, if you were, like, this is why I didn't go to the inauguration.

00:09:03.020 I think it was very generous of them to, like, invite me.

00:09:05.560 But I felt like showing up at the inauguration is, like, this endorsement of them.

00:09:09.960 And, like, I'm on that team specifically.

00:09:12.280 I'm on Team America.

00:09:13.180 So, like, what's best for America?

00:09:15.320 Do I have optimism about the administration more than the last one?

00:09:19.520 So, yeah.

00:09:19.940 I'm, like, I hope it works. 0.97

00:09:21.600 When they bring up some tariff shit, like, I don't know if I'm financially illiterate. 0.96

00:09:24.640 I don't know if tariffs work or not. 0.99

00:09:25.880 But I'm, like, this other shit wasn't working. 0.99

00:09:27.500 Let's see if this works. 0.99

00:09:28.300 Like, I have optimism.

00:09:30.060 But I don't really believe in, like, endorsement.

00:09:33.700 And I don't believe in, like, taking a side, per se.

00:09:38.200 Because I think it's hard to do comedy when people, like, know your side.

00:09:43.580 Know what you're already going to say about a topic.

00:09:45.660 Like, I want to surprise you.

00:09:47.420 You know?

00:09:47.800 Now, that being said, like, I'm sure people will label me in whatever way they want.

00:09:51.520 And they're allowed to do that.

00:09:52.840 And there are people who think I'm, like, some right-wing MAGA lunatic.

00:09:55.540 You know?

00:09:55.880 There are people who think that I'm, like, this, like, centrist, you know, try to appease all sides guy.

00:10:01.100 Like, whatever, like we said, Rorschach does.

00:10:02.900 Whatever you already feel, that's what you'll see.

00:10:04.420 You sold out, man.

00:10:05.820 Yeah, of course.

00:10:06.520 I sold out.

00:10:07.040 Every direction, I sold out.

00:10:09.520 That's what I find funny.

00:10:10.800 It's, like, everyone who tries to have any semblance of balance is always getting accused of selling out.

00:10:15.900 When it's, like, it's quite a normal position not to be entirely convinced that one side has all the right answers.

00:10:22.500 Yeah.

00:10:22.720 Who believes that?

00:10:24.720 And also, it's, like, the side switched so much.

00:10:27.600 You know, when I was younger, like, Democrats were cool. 1.00

00:10:30.700 They were getting their dick sucked in the office. 1.00

00:10:32.500 They were, like, right? 1.00

00:10:33.680 They were, like, supportive of, like, hip-hop music.

00:10:36.520 They said, do whatever you want.

00:10:37.620 Like, we don't want to be in your bedroom. 0.87

00:10:39.100 They were cool with gay people.

00:10:40.200 Like, it was cool to be a Democrat. 0.92

00:10:42.360 Now, conservatives got three baby mamas. 1.00

00:10:45.020 The president got three baby mamas. 1.00

00:10:47.060 He's getting pussy left and right. 1.00

00:10:48.760 Right? 1.00

00:10:49.020 He's cool. 0.99

00:10:49.760 He's the one saying, say whatever the fuck you want. 0.99

00:10:51.620 So now conservatives have become Democrats. 0.99

00:10:54.340 So I don't think I've changed. 0.99

00:10:55.240 I just like the dudes that get pussy and say whatever they want. 1.00

00:10:58.720 So it's very, you want me to be a Democrat again? 1.00

00:11:00.900 Get some pussy. 1.00

00:11:01.560 Tell me to say whatever I want. 1.00

00:11:02.840 I'm there.

00:11:03.640 But also, the people who are behaving like Democrats as conservatives were Democrats a few years ago.

00:11:10.640 Yes.

00:11:11.360 Yes.

00:11:11.740 That's what I'm saying, like, the idea that, like, you have this loyalty to the party.

00:11:16.120 The party doesn't even have loyalty to itself.

00:11:18.600 So how can you say that?

00:11:20.400 How can you say I have loyalty to the party?

00:11:22.200 It's like the party changed drastically.

00:11:24.200 It completely flipped.

00:11:24.900 In the last, like, five years, eight years, 12 years, whatever you want to say.

00:11:28.380 So maybe I'm just making decisions based on the things that I care about in the moment.

00:11:33.400 And maybe that group is, you know, connecting to me more in this moment.

00:11:39.220 Well, it sounds to me like you've stayed pretty consistent about what you think is important.

00:11:43.800 And the world has changed.

00:11:45.180 It's how I feel as well.

00:11:46.320 Yeah.

00:11:46.580 It's like your point about, you know, people used to shut down people's opinions or jokes or whatever.

00:11:50.900 They used to be Christian conservatives, mostly, really.

00:11:53.220 Yeah.

00:11:53.620 Right.

00:11:54.340 And now it kind of got flipped.

00:11:55.620 They tried to ban rock music and rap music.

00:11:57.860 Like, how could I support that party?

00:12:00.280 What young kid is going, yeah, we need to ban rap and rock music?

00:12:03.640 I mean, we need it.

00:12:04.840 Those guys seem cool.

00:12:07.140 You know what I mean?

00:12:07.740 Like, whereas Democrats, dude was, you know, he's like, yo, I smoked it.

00:12:10.860 I didn't inhale, but I smoked it. 0.99

00:12:12.320 And we're like, oh, you're a liar. 0.99

00:12:14.200 I like that. 1.00

00:12:14.820 I said that to my dad or whatever the fuck, right? 0.98

00:12:18.200 So, yeah, I think it was just more relatable. 0.99

00:12:20.540 Obama had a great line about that.

00:12:22.080 Do you remember?

00:12:22.620 The Coke line?

00:12:23.340 No, no, no.

00:12:23.760 When he was asked if he, there was like eight of them and they were all, they all went, did

00:12:27.380 you smoke weed?

00:12:28.060 And like seven of them went, yeah, but I didn't inhale.

00:12:30.700 And they were like, they went to Obama, did you inhale?

00:12:33.140 And he went, yeah, that was the point.

00:12:36.560 I mean, he's fire.

00:12:37.500 He was cool.

00:12:37.880 He was fire.

00:12:38.320 He was cool.

00:12:38.760 Yeah, he was.

00:12:39.760 I think they need some cool.

00:12:41.060 They need an injection of cool.

00:12:42.380 Yeah.

00:12:42.560 I think that would help.

00:12:44.360 Yeah, anytime I'm critical of Democrats right now, it's hoping that they will restore their

00:12:53.380 connectivity to the American people.

00:12:55.540 I grew up a Democrat.

00:12:58.120 My parents had a dance studio.

00:13:00.080 I grew up in the arts in New York City.

00:13:01.860 What else do you think that I would be?

00:13:03.660 You know what I mean?

00:13:04.240 I went to public school in New York City.

00:13:06.020 My parents were in the arts, obviously.

00:13:08.780 So, yeah, I just, I hope they pay attention to like what's happening and what the American

00:13:13.620 people are feeling.

00:13:14.800 How did you get into comedy from there, Andrew?

00:13:18.700 What's your journey?

00:13:19.900 I listened to Eddie Murphy's Delirious with my dad at a very young age on cassette.

00:13:24.440 It was an audio cassette.

00:13:25.480 And I just saw my dad dying laughing to Eddie Murphy.

00:13:29.340 And I've probably been chasing that laugh ever since.

00:13:32.820 Yeah.

00:13:33.660 And then I just became kind of like obsessed with it.

00:13:37.600 You know, I'd watch Def Comedy Jam.

00:13:39.320 I bought those like tapes.

00:13:40.880 They would do like a monthly thing back in the day where they'd send you a new cassette

00:13:44.400 of whatever that month's Def Comedy Jam was.

00:13:47.120 And then I saw The Kings of Comedy, Bernie Mac specifically.

00:13:53.500 And I was like, oh my God, this is the funniest human being ever.

00:13:56.220 And then Chris Rock.

00:13:58.860 And then Patrice.

00:14:02.060 And Patrice is just like the highest level I've ever seen it done.

00:14:05.760 Do you see him live?

00:14:06.960 I've seen him live, yeah.

00:14:07.980 I was at Elephant in the Room.

00:14:09.020 I was at the taping as like a fan.

00:14:10.740 I didn't even know him.

00:14:11.340 I was just like, this is the greatest.

00:14:14.100 And I've seen everybody.

00:14:15.520 I've seen everybody.

00:14:16.140 I've seen them do well and not do well.

00:14:19.020 That's still the highest level I've ever witnessed in person.

00:14:22.280 Why?

00:14:22.740 What was it about Patrice?

00:14:24.240 It's like everything.

00:14:25.380 Like just straight human connectivity, the conversational nature.

00:14:28.880 But it's like he got you to, he disarmed you in a beautiful way, like very quickly to where

00:14:36.060 you didn't think that this was a comedy show with prepared jokes.

00:14:40.120 But he gave you prepared jokes.

00:14:42.000 So he could, he, the jokes were solid enough for him to stand up there and be like, here's

00:14:47.020 my next joke.

00:14:47.760 And it would murder.

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00:15:16.080 But he was like conversational and like genuinely thinking about his premises as he was talking

00:15:27.160 to them.

00:15:27.540 Now that could be acts, sure, as it is.

00:15:29.300 But like you believed it.

00:15:30.840 So now you're disarmed and you're getting amazing jokes.

00:15:36.020 And like, it was just like phenomenal.

00:15:39.260 Just, just the observations, the references, also just crowd work, like him interacting with

00:15:46.100 people is like, just like brutal honesty.

00:15:48.180 Never ask a question that you don't want to know the answer to.

00:15:51.140 There's a lot of people like, what do you do for a living?

00:15:52.800 It's like, you don't care.

00:15:54.280 You don't care what they do for a living.

00:15:56.440 Ask them what you care about, you know?

00:15:58.980 And the interesting thing with Patrice was, is that he spent a lot of time struggling

00:16:04.720 in his, in his career.

00:16:06.580 Yeah.

00:16:07.040 Because for reasons that were primarily his own fault.

00:16:11.200 Yeah.

00:16:11.560 I don't know.

00:16:12.060 I don't know.

00:16:13.660 Yeah.

00:16:14.940 I don't know that much about that.

00:16:16.480 I've heard that.

00:16:17.260 Yeah.

00:16:17.520 I've heard that.

00:16:18.100 But like, he was like tough to deal.

00:16:19.400 You're talking about not.

00:16:20.640 When we had Burr on, it's one of the things you talked about.

00:16:23.060 Yeah.

00:16:23.220 It was like, he, he was a, he, he was a hard person to deal with, even though Bill loved

00:16:27.260 him.

00:16:27.340 Yeah.

00:16:27.620 Yes.

00:16:27.900 Oh, I, when you said struggling in the career, I thought you meant like, in terms of like

00:16:30.340 getting laughs or learning how to be funny.

00:16:31.940 No, no, no, no, no, no. 0.99

00:16:32.960 You mean like getting on TV shows and doing that kind of shit? 0.99

00:16:34.820 Yeah. 0.97

00:16:35.100 But also, you know, and I've heard this from numerous people, including people who worked

00:16:38.720 with him in the UK.

00:16:39.760 Yeah.

00:16:40.100 Who said, you know, when he turned up and he was in the right mood, brilliant, you're going

00:16:43.940 to have a great time.

00:16:44.840 Yeah.

00:16:44.980 When Patrice was in a bad mood or someone, you know, you know, kicked a little bit of sand in the metaphorical 1.00

00:16:50.960 vagina. 1.00

00:16:51.640 Yeah. 0.99

00:16:51.840 You know, everyone was going to f***ing know about it.

00:16:53.640 Yeah.

00:16:53.840 They're going to feel it.

00:16:54.540 Again, I didn't know him like that.

00:16:56.120 So I've heard stories about that, but I just would never say that about somebody that I

00:16:59.940 didn't know for certain.

00:17:00.980 Yeah.

00:17:01.260 You know, but, uh, but yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:17:03.840 I mean, listen, there's a lot of people in this business that are a pain in the ass to 0.99

00:17:08.160 be around. 0.99

00:17:09.460 At least be funny.

00:17:11.580 You know what I mean?

00:17:13.540 Like, there's a lot of people that just annoying to be around and they're unfunny and you're like, 0.93

00:17:17.360 what the f*** is going on? 1.00

00:17:18.980 But that motherfucker, he had it. 1.00

00:17:21.520 Yeah. 1.00

00:17:21.840 He had it, dude.

00:17:23.120 Yeah.

00:17:23.480 And it's, you, you look at what Patrice was doing.

00:17:27.040 You look at the discourse now and as a comedian, you're excited by what's happening.

00:17:32.760 But there's, cause we were talking before you came on a couple of, for a couple of days

00:17:37.200 on and off about, there's also this ugly thing that's happening with American discourse.

00:17:42.380 So I personally, I'm finding really worrying.

00:17:44.220 Yeah.

00:17:44.460 As someone who looks more than a little bit Jewy, seeing, you know, full blown antisemitism

00:17:50.120 and then not just like, man, that's racist.

00:17:52.940 You criticize Israel in this, as in like, this is a real deal. 0.97

00:17:56.700 Yeah.

00:17:56.900 I think you and I, as a people who present as Jewish, have a little bit more sensitivity

00:18:02.380 to the Jew issue than, uh, than the average person per se.

00:18:05.660 Like, obviously you're going to care about it because, you know, you are.

00:18:09.240 You know, I'm, we talked about this before, right?

00:18:12.080 My grandfather was an atheist, secular Jew.

00:18:15.780 Yeah.

00:18:16.020 That's my connection to Jew, to Jewishness.

00:18:18.760 It's fairly tenuous.

00:18:19.820 A lot of Jews are like, nah, you're not really Jewish, mate. 1.00

00:18:22.340 Yeah.

00:18:22.700 Um, I, you know, the reason I'll be honest with you, the reason antisemitism concerns

00:18:26.640 me is not because my grandfather was Jewish.

00:18:29.040 It's because it's not usually a sign that things are going in the right direction.

00:18:33.820 Yeah.

00:18:34.480 It's usually a sign that people are pissed off.

00:18:37.620 The economy is not going the right way.

00:18:39.740 You're concerned about antisemitism because it could mean that the economy is not good.

00:18:44.400 I'm concerned.

00:18:45.000 Which is the most Jewish thing. 0.97

00:18:48.480 That it is.

00:18:49.980 But, but, but, but you've missed.

00:18:51.720 That quarter is working overtime, right?

00:18:53.540 Yeah.

00:18:54.980 That's not what I'm saying.

00:18:56.200 What, what I'm saying is, you know what I mean.

00:18:58.280 Of course, absolutely.

00:18:59.020 It's a reflection of a, of the fact that the world's not in a good place.

00:19:03.020 Yes.

00:19:03.520 And not, maybe not heading in the right direction.

00:19:06.360 Yeah.

00:19:06.860 You know.

00:19:07.060 And, and this is cyclical throughout history.

00:19:08.780 Yes.

00:19:09.180 You know, the world will get into places where it's very difficult financially.

00:19:12.520 You know, so what do we do when that kind of happens?

00:19:14.580 We scapegoat people.

00:19:15.460 That's my point.

00:19:15.980 Yeah.

00:19:16.160 Ideally, we don't just scapegoat, you know, the Jews.

00:19:18.760 And, but I agree with you. 1.00

00:19:20.140 There's some like really disturbing shit you see online. 0.99

00:19:22.460 And it's got, you know, friends of mine that are Jewish, like terrified. 0.99

00:19:25.720 Like absolutely terrified because they grow up with a different paranoia than like, say,

00:19:31.940 me or you, or maybe even you, if you didn't grow up with it.

00:19:34.000 Like they grew up with the stories of what had happened.

00:19:36.860 So then when they start hearing these similar adages being used, they're like, oh, is it

00:19:43.060 going to happen again?

00:19:43.640 My grandma said, this is exactly the thing that happened before, you know, World War 0.99

00:19:47.040 II or great grandma, whatever the fuck it is. 0.99

00:19:49.200 Now we're so old. 0.99

00:19:50.940 But, but yeah, so I understand that paranoia and I understand that concern.

00:19:54.680 And yeah, I think there's like a, I think there's a great, I imagine, I think there's

00:20:01.480 like a pressure for Jews to like label things as anti-Semitic, right?

00:20:06.400 Because I imagine, I don't know, but that they'll go, hey, if, if, if, if I point out

00:20:12.360 that that's anti-Semitic, then everybody will go, hey, we got to stop that anti-Semitism.

00:20:17.520 That's wrong. 1.00

00:20:18.240 That's fucked up. 0.99

00:20:18.940 And then, you know, we'll snuff it out so it doesn't get too popular. 0.99

00:20:22.660 And what I think, unfortunately, a lot of Jews are learning is that people don't really

00:20:28.720 care that much if something is labeled anti-Semitic.

00:20:32.100 And I think, and I think a lot of Jews are like, why don't people care? 0.99

00:20:36.960 Like, what the fuck is going on? 0.98

00:20:38.120 And I think that there is a disconnect in terms of like what non-Jews and Jews feel in 1.00

00:20:44.580 terms of that paranoia.

00:20:45.920 The paranoia that the Jews feel, non-Jews do not feel at all. 1.00

00:20:49.180 They don't even know Jews.

00:20:50.080 Most people have never met a Jew.

00:20:50.960 They see Kirby Enthusiasm, they see Seinfeld, and that's it.

00:20:54.780 Like, they think that like you're what Jews look like and you're not even a Jew.

00:20:58.580 There's a lot of them.

00:21:00.180 Yeah.

00:21:01.180 But like, they don't know what like a Sephardic Jew looks like. 0.98

00:21:03.720 They don't know what like a Moroccan Jew looks like. 1.00

00:21:05.420 They don't even know that that's like a type of Jew, right?

00:21:07.560 So there's like one idea, it's from TV shows, and that's kind of it.

00:21:10.340 And then they have like ideas about them.

00:21:15.560 You know, I think a lot of people have like, there's a, the way I've described it is like,

00:21:19.200 there's like this like ambient light, this like sentiment about Jews.

00:21:23.200 And when the economy is good, it doesn't really matter, right?

00:21:26.460 But there's like, the feelings you could say, there's like some negative stereotypes, right?

00:21:30.320 It's just like, oh, they kind of stick together.

00:21:32.360 They are successful.

00:21:34.060 They try to help each other out, right?

00:21:36.560 And then like, once the economy gets rough, they start going, oh, why do they have money

00:21:43.900 and I don't have money, you know?

00:21:45.060 Once eggs get expensive, it's hard to pay your rent.

00:21:47.120 You're like, what's going on with that?

00:21:48.260 Eggs don't seem expensive to them.

00:21:50.240 There's only a few of them.

00:21:51.200 Why do they own so many sports teams? 0.99

00:21:53.420 What the fuck is going on? 0.98

00:21:55.380 Why do they have this lobby that gets to lobby America and then we send a lot of money to 1.00

00:21:59.220 Israel? 0.53

00:22:00.500 Right?

00:22:01.020 So you just start getting like confused.

00:22:03.140 And then you go down that conspiracy rabbit hole.

00:22:06.400 And this is where I think like transparency is actually the best way of handling things.

00:22:12.920 Instead of like labeling people as anti-Semitic, I think like transparently disseminating information

00:22:18.760 I think is valuable.

00:22:19.880 The problem with that is you very quickly get into very uncomfortable territory because

00:22:24.700 let's say your point about Jews being overrepresented in certain things, right?

00:22:29.060 Yeah.

00:22:29.280 Jews are overrepresented in certain things.

00:22:31.120 Yeah.

00:22:31.480 Now, once you begin to ask why, that throws shade on everyone else.

00:22:37.760 Why?

00:22:38.840 Because depending on what your explanation of that reason is, it's quite unpleasant for

00:22:44.440 people to hear.

00:22:44.900 For example, there are some people who will say it's cultural.

00:22:47.960 They will say the Jews have a super focused on education.

00:22:52.180 By the way, the Jews are not the only Jews in the world.

00:22:54.220 Like this same thing happens to all sorts of minority groups around the world and like

00:22:59.160 East Asians in Africa.

00:23:00.680 They're like the ones that do that type of business and whatever. 0.99

00:23:04.900 The moment things go bad, they get kicked out or killed.

00:23:07.460 Yeah. 0.93

00:23:07.740 Right.

00:23:08.500 So, but if let's say we take the cultural explanation, you say, well, these people have

00:23:13.020 a culture.

00:23:15.140 It's implied the moment I say that it's superior, right?

00:23:18.160 If they perform better, that means their culture is superior.

00:23:22.120 What does that say about my culture?

00:23:23.260 Well, my culture is inferior, right?

00:23:24.920 That's not a pleasant thing to hear.

00:23:26.080 So another explanation that people will say is, well, if you look at IQ by group, some

00:23:31.900 groups have a higher IQ.

00:23:33.080 What does that mean?

00:23:33.760 Well, that means that-

00:23:34.680 Well, you guys made the test, obviously.

00:23:36.860 Everybody knows that.

00:23:38.280 You guys control the weather and you make the IQ test.

00:23:40.980 Right.

00:23:41.200 That's what it is.

00:23:41.660 Yeah.

00:23:42.820 Some groups, therefore, have a lower IQ.

00:23:44.800 Yeah.

00:23:45.620 No one wants to hear they have a lower IQ.

00:23:47.640 Yeah.

00:23:47.880 So that's what I mean when I say the moment you begin to address that, we get into very

00:23:54.960 uncomfortable territory.

00:23:56.580 And the other problem you have is Jews tend to, like, I-

00:24:00.100 Why do you think that Jews tend to succeed? 1.00

00:24:03.360 I think it's a combination of those two explanations.

00:24:06.220 And I'm leaning more in a genetic direction, personally.

00:24:08.780 So you think it's just higher IQ?

00:24:10.020 You don't get way disproportionate Nobel Prize-winning scientists.

00:24:15.760 How can Jews be this smart and they haven't figured out how to not get kicked out of a 1.00

00:24:19.860 country? 1.00

00:24:20.860 Because they're annoying.

00:24:23.700 I thought you were going to say, how have they figured this out and not managed to be

00:24:27.620 likable?

00:24:28.360 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:29.240 I mean, I think it's-

00:24:30.240 But nobody-

00:24:32.020 So smart.

00:24:32.900 But who likes the smart kid in the-

00:24:34.540 Stay a while.

00:24:35.320 Who likes the smart kid in the class, Andrew?

00:24:38.020 I mean-

00:24:38.860 Nobody.

00:24:39.160 Yeah, I guess Elon's going through it right now.

00:24:41.480 I mean, I want Elon.

00:24:42.520 If World War III breaks out, I want the guy who sends the rockets to Mars on my team.

00:24:47.940 Yeah.

00:24:48.300 So I want to keep him.

00:24:48.840 Yeah.

00:24:49.500 So then maybe that's it.

00:24:50.800 Maybe we need to, like-

00:24:51.800 We need more, like, societal utility from the Jews. 1.00

00:24:55.060 I think that's-

00:24:56.120 Well, I mean, I think that's, like, the start, like, right there.

00:24:59.220 The, uh, you know, there's all this, like, concern about the relationship between

00:25:03.900 America and Israel. 0.97

00:25:05.400 And first of all, like, Israel should be able to be criticized like every other f***ing country. 0.96

00:25:08.680 I hate this idea, like, if you're critical of Israel, it just, like, means you're an anti-Semite. 0.96

00:25:12.500 Agreed.

00:25:12.680 I think that does a great disservice to Jewish people in general.

00:25:15.320 Like, you're allowed to-

00:25:16.540 We criticize America, right?

00:25:18.380 Americans relentlessly criticize our own country. 0.97

00:25:20.800 We can criticize Israel. 0.95

00:25:21.920 We can criticize Great Britain.

00:25:23.280 We can criticize Poland. 0.99

00:25:24.220 We can do whatever the f*** we want, okay? 0.98

00:25:25.780 This is America. 0.99

00:25:26.400 You can say whatever the f*** you want. 0.97

00:25:27.760 Now, you can also be critical of the current war going on. 0.96

00:25:31.880 Like, you absolutely can.

00:25:33.320 Maybe you disagree on it, but, like, you're not an anti-Semite for doing it.

00:25:36.860 Are there anti-Semites that do it?

00:25:38.200 Sure.

00:25:38.580 But it doesn't make you one naturally.

00:25:40.420 So, like, we've got to allow a little bit of space for that, right? 0.89

00:25:43.880 And, yeah, so, I forgot what the f*** I was saying.

00:25:47.800 Well, I think your point broadly is when people have a meltdown because someone said something,

00:25:51.940 it's never going to result in the outcome that people think it is, which is, like, this thing gets shut down.

00:25:57.800 I just don't think we live in that world anymore.

00:25:59.260 That's it.

00:25:59.600 It was the transparency.

00:26:00.460 So, I think when I talk about, like, you know, disseminating information, like, we don't live in the ages where, you know, information is centralized.

00:26:09.540 Now it's decentralized, so everybody has access to information.

00:26:11.520 And because of that, it's, like, easy to, you know, expose certain truths that didn't exist before.

00:26:16.620 It's also easy to cook up conspiracy theories.

00:26:18.720 So, it's, like, I think you actually need to be more transparent with information.

00:26:22.420 Anytime it seems like you're trying to squash it, humans have this instinct of going, well, why don't they want us to know about this thing?

00:26:28.380 So, it's, like, if right now people are questioning the relationship between U.S. and Israel and, like, why we're so close and why this relationship is so important, just tell them.

00:26:37.660 It should be pretty easy.

00:26:38.620 Agreed.

00:26:39.080 Yeah.

00:26:39.240 Like, just tell us, like, and then how much easier would it be for, like, a Jewish American that gets to go, hey, see, it's not just AIPAC is lobbying all these senators in it.

00:26:48.040 But if there isn't anything, then there's credibility to that criticism.

00:26:51.920 Right?

00:26:52.400 Oh, is it just the lobbying?

00:26:53.900 Like, I think this type of, I think this type of, like, open discussion is important.

00:26:58.280 You know, like, who knows what the f*** Israel and the Mossad does for America.

00:27:01.220 Like, you know, maybe America, maybe there's f***ed up people in America that have, like, you know, special interests. 0.50

00:27:06.960 They want to get more involved in the war in Ukraine.

00:27:08.920 Right?

00:27:09.460 When did that guy Navalny die in Russia?

00:27:12.100 In the last year, I think.

00:27:13.400 Yeah, it was, like, a week before we decide to, like, send more weapons.

00:27:16.140 Right?

00:27:16.920 I don't remember, but let's say.

00:27:18.440 I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

00:27:19.300 I'm just saying.

00:27:20.060 No, no.

00:27:20.700 My look wasn't, like, Andrew's weird.

00:27:22.540 My look was, I don't remember.

00:27:23.680 I'm just saying, like, hypothetically, right?

00:27:25.620 Like, hypothetically, we want a justification to go, you know, support this war in Ukraine. 0.98

00:27:30.660 And we need Putin to look like even more of a lunatic than he really is. 0.98

00:27:34.380 So his biggest detractor dies in prison in Siberia. 1.00

00:27:38.920 He doesn't need to die there.

00:27:39.940 He's away in Siberia.

00:27:41.120 Like, there's no way to even see anybody.

00:27:43.180 But the guy ends up dying, and now there's a justification. 0.99

00:27:47.520 We've got to stop this lunatic. 1.00

00:27:48.660 We've got to go give him f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing. 1.00

00:27:49.880 I'm making f*** up right now, like, poke holes and everything I'm saying. 0.99

00:27:52.740 I'm just doing a hypothetical. 0.99

00:27:53.960 Can America send a CIA operative out there to kill him? 0.99

00:27:56.440 Probably. 0.69

00:27:58.120 Or does Mossad have access to that prison?

00:28:02.020 They could merc that guy for us, and now it doesn't come back to America?

00:28:05.060 And then, pfft, pfft, pfft.

00:28:06.880 Yeah.

00:28:07.360 Again, I don't know what the relationship is.

00:28:09.220 And obviously, you can't, like, go on CNN and say that's what it is.

00:28:13.200 But if Americans have a question about our relationship with any country in the world,

00:28:17.080 the American government has a duty to tell us.

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00:29:36.060 I completely agree.

00:29:37.300 Because once you shut things down, then this is the way I interpret it.

00:29:42.060 When I see somebody, if I ask you a question and you immediately shut it down, I go, oh,

00:29:48.100 what's going on there?

00:29:48.880 Yeah, we have a natural curiosity.

00:29:50.880 And we have complete distrust in every institution in this country right now because we've either

00:29:55.660 been shut down or straight up lied to.

00:29:58.460 And lied to unnecessarily.

00:30:01.020 I think a lot of these conspiracies sprout up from things that are quite mundane and boring.

00:30:05.540 But you just don't give us the truth.

00:30:07.760 Like, the truth is going to be way more boring than whatever the conspiracy we've cooked

00:30:14.460 us is.

00:30:15.520 Well, the problem is there are still conspiracies from ages ago that remain completely.

00:30:20.260 And like JFK, I mean, how long has it been?

00:30:22.520 Jesus Christ.

00:30:23.240 That's going to be boring when it comes out, bro.

00:30:25.300 I promise you.

00:30:26.500 What do you mean?

00:30:27.360 I just know it. 0.99

00:30:29.040 Well, like some lunatic just went and did it. 0.84

00:30:31.040 So why live and covering up the whole time? 0.75

00:30:32.660 Well, probably, well, there's maybe somebody doesn't want to lose a job.

00:30:35.940 Like, I'm messing this up. 0.98

00:30:37.220 They've all got to be dead by now, man.

00:30:38.940 Well, I think it was Sagar that said this about like 9-11, for example.

00:30:43.300 And then I want to get back to you.

00:30:44.080 But like, I think Sagar said something about like, there was like a brand new FBI or CIA

00:30:50.100 director that was like a weekend that happened before.

00:30:52.620 And like, they had gotten warnings about it.

00:30:55.060 He, I guess, didn't take the warning serious enough.

00:30:58.760 It happens. 1.00

00:30:59.540 And then he's like, I've got to cover this up or else it's my ass. 1.00

00:31:03.640 I could be butchering this. 0.99

00:31:05.080 It's on an episode of Flagrant.

00:31:06.320 He was talking about it.

00:31:07.280 But that's not even close to as interesting as the Jews did it. 1.00

00:31:11.900 Not that.

00:31:12.900 You know, some ineptitude at the highest level of the CIA or FBI, whatever it is, is boring.

00:31:20.640 It's gray.

00:31:21.420 It's probably.

00:31:22.400 But come back to JFK, because I don't I don't really like that.

00:31:25.000 You think it's good.

00:31:25.940 If it was a boring explanation, as boring as they knew this guy was going to do it and 0.99

00:31:30.380 they fucked up. 0.97

00:31:31.780 I mean, how long has it been? 1.00

00:31:32.860 It's been 60 years.

00:31:33.720 I don't know if it's boring.

00:31:34.880 Maybe boring is the wrong word, but I don't think it's as exciting as the Jews did it. 1.00

00:31:38.940 Yes.

00:31:39.160 Yes.

00:31:39.500 Or it's not even the Jews or who else, whoever else it is. 0.60

00:31:42.940 Right.

00:31:43.160 Like, I think it was the Italian mob at one point in time.

00:31:46.000 Like, well, we had Michael Francis on and he basically said in the paywall section of

00:31:50.300 that podcast.

00:31:50.960 Yeah.

00:31:51.600 Like they had a very strong connection.

00:31:53.380 What is the guy's name?

00:31:56.180 Rossioli or something like that.

00:31:57.820 That's like an Italian restaurant.

00:31:59.720 But there's there's a specific guy.

00:32:02.360 The level of fact checking on this particular podcast is incredible.

00:32:05.220 We need somebody.

00:32:05.600 We need a Jamie.

00:32:07.440 No. 0.99

00:32:07.780 So it's like, yeah, listen, there are people that would know way more about that shit than 1.00

00:32:11.480 I do. 0.99

00:32:12.400 What I assume is that when you try to stifle things, we get really creative and our mind

00:32:19.280 starts going wild.

00:32:20.220 Yeah.

00:32:20.660 And we cook up the most insane conspiracies about it.

00:32:23.200 And the truth will definitely be interesting, but boring in comparison to what we've cooked

00:32:28.260 up.

00:32:28.760 Yes.

00:32:29.940 Yes.

00:32:30.240 Does that make sense?

00:32:30.680 It seems like I'm trying to cover up these things. 0.58

00:32:34.100 No, like obviously something f***ed up happened.

00:32:35.960 We should figure it out. 0.98

00:32:37.000 But it's not as wild as like whatever f***ing lunatic on Twitter who used to like yell at 0.98

00:32:43.600 OnlyFans girls and now has decided he's a geopolitical expert is cooking up. 0.98

00:32:48.060 Right?

00:32:48.260 Like there's no way that the foremost geopolitical experts in the world used to yell at OnlyFans

00:32:54.460 girls.

00:32:55.440 Like there's no way that they have all the information.

00:32:58.660 Nobody else has it. 0.88

00:33:00.460 Just the guys that used to yell at sluts are now like, no, no, no, no. 0.95

00:33:04.300 I'm going to expose the truth that only I have. 0.90

00:33:07.240 Like what are the chances of that?

00:33:09.120 What are the chances that those guys got it? 0.99

00:33:12.140 I can't believe you said sluts. 0.98

00:33:13.380 Yeah. 0.98

00:33:13.700 I think the correct term is sex positive.

00:33:15.520 Expositive attitude.

00:33:16.140 Come on.

00:33:16.360 We got to stop that.

00:33:17.240 That's something I hope Trump stops.

00:33:18.380 Like I don't want to do any more of this. 0.99

00:33:19.940 Like we got to stop like dignifying whores. 1.00

00:33:22.960 You're a whore. 1.00

00:33:24.900 That's what you decide to do. 1.00

00:33:26.800 And that's fine.

00:33:28.600 Is it?

00:33:29.400 I'm not saying, no, no.

00:33:30.240 I'm actually, it's your body.

00:33:31.220 You do whatever you want.

00:33:32.060 Yeah.

00:33:32.280 You're probably.

00:33:33.620 I'm pro your body.

00:33:34.940 Do what you want with it. 0.96

00:33:36.400 So you could do that, but we're not going to call you a sex worker. 1.00

00:33:41.960 We're not going to like, thank you at the Oscars or whatever. 1.00

00:33:45.440 You're a whore. 1.00

00:33:46.580 So sex work isn't real work. 1.00

00:33:48.600 Stigmatize it.

00:33:49.400 Of course it's not real work.

00:33:51.540 We do it to take a break from work.

00:33:54.340 Do you know what I mean?

00:33:55.100 The guy is working or no.

00:33:57.320 Yeah.

00:33:57.640 I mean, look, I mean the, the girl who tend to like Lily Phillips, a thousand or Bonnie

00:34:03.120 blue, you know, these, these, these ladies. 0.99

00:34:05.080 Yeah.

00:34:05.720 A thousand ladies. 1.00

00:34:06.980 Yes.

00:34:07.380 Yeah.

00:34:07.680 Yeah.

00:34:08.160 Yeah.

00:34:08.440 And then a thousand dudes in a night or a day or whatever it is.

00:34:12.040 Yeah.

00:34:12.760 I mean, that's work, isn't it?

00:34:13.880 That was my, that was a professional.

00:34:16.020 Come on.

00:34:16.660 That was my way of like solving the grooming gang things that you guys have.

00:34:21.320 Go on.

00:34:23.000 You got to only fill this down to anybody.

00:34:25.540 Line them up.

00:34:28.480 Okay.

00:34:29.480 Seems like only fans for Bradford.

00:34:31.420 There we go.

00:34:32.140 We got to figure it out.

00:34:33.340 You know, no.

00:34:35.080 I don't think just because you do something a lot, it makes it work.

00:34:38.760 Like if I go to the gym, it's not a job.

00:34:41.080 I'm just doing it. 0.99

00:34:42.040 It sucks. 0.99

00:34:42.780 You spend 10 hours a day playing video games. 0.99

00:34:44.580 You're not.

00:34:44.940 Yeah.

00:34:45.240 It's not work.

00:34:45.880 Okay.

00:34:46.280 Here's the, here's the, what about Arnold Schwarzenegger?

00:34:48.180 So they're getting paid, man.

00:34:49.480 What about Arnold Schwarzenegger?

00:34:50.780 Yeah.

00:34:50.900 That was his job.

00:34:51.760 Lifting weights was basically his job.

00:34:53.520 Yeah.

00:34:53.820 Twitch streamers.

00:34:54.640 They play video games.

00:34:55.520 Did he need a dignified name for it?

00:34:57.880 No.

00:34:58.860 Yeah.

00:34:59.100 He's, he was a bodybuilder. 0.98

00:35:00.820 Jim slut. 1.00

00:35:03.140 Call him whatever you want. 1.00

00:35:04.200 Like, okay.

00:35:05.100 Bodybuilder.

00:35:05.520 That's what you do. 0.97

00:35:06.300 Dick taker. 0.99

00:35:06.980 We can call them dick takers, but we're not going to do this thing where you're like a 1.00

00:35:10.120 sex worker and this is a real job. 0.99

00:35:12.120 And it's just like somebody who shows up on a shift in a construction site.

00:35:15.660 No, it's not.

00:35:16.860 It's the easiest way out.

00:35:18.100 You took the easiest way out.

00:35:19.160 Maybe you don't have other skills, which is fine.

00:35:21.340 And I empathize with that. 0.99

00:35:22.540 That sucks. 0.95

00:35:23.640 But stop acting like it's not the easiest way out. 0.97

00:35:26.180 It's emotionally hard and you're going to feel that for years to come, but it's the

00:35:32.460 easiest way out.

00:35:33.500 I see all these stats about the number of American women that are on OnlyFans. 1.00

00:35:37.500 And I'm, I'm like, you know, I, I, yeah, I do.

00:35:41.360 I go, this is brilliant.

00:35:42.400 It's a growth industry.

00:35:43.080 Yeah, exactly.

00:35:43.800 Low standards.

00:35:44.600 Who's signing up to these OnlyFans?

00:35:45.740 I don't know.

00:35:46.440 Yes.

00:35:47.280 No, we got to figure that out.

00:35:48.500 Like it's all available on Reddit.

00:35:50.040 It's all available on Twitter.

00:35:51.460 Like there's, it's not like you can't see it.

00:35:53.680 So who is signing up?

00:35:55.320 It's in my opinion, it's not about the nudity.

00:35:59.020 No, it's a relationship.

00:36:00.320 It's a fake relationship.

00:36:01.760 And you know what's when you say fake, it actually is.

00:36:05.220 I feel like I'm like exposing industry.

00:36:07.020 They just have other people that are chatting with the suckers who are paying them five,

00:36:13.480 10, $20 or whatever a month.

00:36:14.720 And so it's not even the girl you're talking to, but humans are emotional beings.

00:36:20.000 As we were saying before, they don't care.

00:36:22.260 It's like when someone's getting catfished, they don't want to find out the truth.

00:36:26.800 Do you know what I mean?

00:36:27.500 Like, yeah.

00:36:28.020 What?

00:36:28.680 Yeah.

00:36:29.040 The person getting tricked participates in the lie.

00:36:31.840 Yeah.

00:36:32.200 Yeah.

00:36:32.400 Because it feels good.

00:36:33.740 Yeah.

00:36:34.160 Because it's what you want.

00:36:35.480 It's what you want.

00:36:36.060 And you're getting what you want.

00:36:36.980 So like, maybe I'm a douchebag for even calling it out.

00:36:40.160 It's like, no, that is the person. 0.57

00:36:41.300 That is the person you're paying for.

00:36:42.540 Enjoy that.

00:36:43.340 They're saying these things.

00:36:44.360 You get that hit of dopamine and it's awesome and good for you.

00:36:49.000 Nobody's getting hurt.

00:36:49.880 That's fine.

00:36:50.640 I don't know about either.

00:36:51.840 I don't think, I think both people are getting hurt, don't you?

00:36:54.620 I don't know for a fact.

00:36:55.520 Like, I don't know.

00:36:56.360 It's $5 a month.

00:36:57.420 Like, if you, you know what I mean?

00:36:58.800 It's not like this.

00:36:59.740 It's the most American approach.

00:37:01.200 No, it's only $5.

00:37:02.280 You can't be getting hurt.

00:37:03.100 Listen, if you're spending like 20 grand a month on an OnlyFans girl, maybe you're getting hurt,

00:37:08.800 but you also have 20 grand a month to spend.

00:37:10.460 So I don't know.

00:37:11.580 But like $5 a month, have at it, bro.

00:37:14.720 There are worse vices.

00:37:15.540 You know, when you're talking about this and you're saying about, you know, that you're

00:37:20.400 a willing participant in your own delusion, I find that really interesting because America,

00:37:27.860 to me, is the land of conspiracy theories.

00:37:29.620 Yes.

00:37:30.100 We are willing participants in our own delusion.

00:37:32.300 And actually, one of the problems with America right now is that we're not as delusional as

00:37:36.840 we usually are.

00:37:38.460 America thrives on our own delusion.

00:37:41.140 Every American, when they're born, believes they will be a millionaire.

00:37:43.280 And some are starting to believe that that's not a possibility.

00:37:47.240 And that is dangerous.

00:37:49.340 In order for this country to function in the way that it does, we need to have that like

00:37:55.340 delusional confidence.

00:37:57.140 We have the DNA of people who left their entire families for a chance at a better life, but

00:38:02.260 also to get rich.

00:38:03.700 Like every one of us here left their entire family to never see again, hoping that it would

00:38:09.520 work out.

00:38:09.880 We're like the risk takers of the risk takers in the world.

00:38:14.020 So we're born and we go, okay, I'll be a millionaire, probably.

00:38:17.640 I mean, there's retarded people who are millionaires on the internet. 1.00

00:38:19.800 I see them on TikTok. 0.68

00:38:21.420 Girls get ready and they become millionaires. 1.00

00:38:24.560 Like that's their job.

00:38:25.420 Like, what do you do?

00:38:26.160 Like, get ready.

00:38:28.040 And you make money on that?

00:38:29.060 I make millions of dollars.

00:38:30.140 I got ready today.

00:38:30.980 I made $10,000.

00:38:32.580 That's their job. 1.00

00:38:33.220 How stupid do you feel if you're an OnlyFans girl? 1.00

00:38:36.460 Their girl's making millions of dollars getting dressed. 1.00

00:38:43.220 But that is...

00:38:44.740 Like, is that not crazy?

00:38:46.900 No.

00:38:48.140 Yes, but no. 0.88

00:38:49.520 Because there's people who make millions doing something even more retarded than that. 0.97

00:38:53.880 Which is?

00:38:55.900 Podcasting.

00:38:56.380 I was going to say that.

00:38:59.140 I was going to say stand-up.

00:39:01.280 Yes, yes, yes, yes.

00:39:03.360 But that's the problem because the American dream is a thing that binds you all together.

00:39:09.400 This country only works if you think anyone can make it.

00:39:13.800 Yes.

00:39:14.140 And that's what makes this country special.

00:39:16.060 Yes.

00:39:16.540 But if you lose that, then what has America got?

00:39:20.120 I mean, it's still the greatest place in the history of the universe.

00:39:24.000 No, apart from that.

00:39:25.580 I mean, I just, like, I don't know another place.

00:39:28.100 No, you're totally right.

00:39:29.320 But this is what I've always said about there's such a big difference.

00:39:31.900 I think a lot of the stuff about conspiracy theories is, like, cross-cultural misunderstanding

00:39:36.260 because people who don't come to America from Europe, they're like,

00:39:38.920 what the f*** are these guys on about?

00:39:40.840 But I think it's the other side of the coin, which is, like, 0.97

00:39:43.840 this is a place where everyone believes that anything is possible, right?

00:39:47.900 So if anything is possible, then anything is possible.

00:39:51.200 Yeah.

00:39:51.420 Right.

00:39:51.680 Well, maybe we didn't do the moon landings.

00:39:53.060 Maybe.

00:39:54.320 One thousand percent.

00:39:54.940 I think it's the other side of that coin.

00:39:56.320 Yeah.

00:39:56.760 Our, what is it, gullibility or gullibleness?

00:40:00.400 What is that word?

00:40:00.960 Gullibility.

00:40:01.740 Gullibility.

00:40:02.300 Yeah.

00:40:03.560 Leaves us open to the consumption of conspiracy theories in a way other cultures might not.

00:40:09.220 Like, yeah, I've never thought about it like that.

00:40:11.180 I guess that's the other side of the coin.

00:40:13.180 Yeah.

00:40:13.360 I think, I think it's definitely that because, like, if anything's possible, then.

00:40:17.380 Yeah.

00:40:17.580 Why isn't this possible?

00:40:18.300 Why isn't this possible?

00:40:18.840 Yeah.

00:40:19.020 And also, like, once I'm fed truths that I've been lied to by my government, like, once 0.96

00:40:24.120 I found out that, like, for-profit pharmaceutical companies will, like, inject children with s***, 0.95

00:40:29.300 I'll go, okay, well, I'll never trust pharmaceutical company again. 0.86

00:40:32.320 And then somebody starts going, well, hey, these, these vaccines could give your kid autism.

00:40:37.240 I just had a daughter and I'm like, well, what does that mean? 0.99

00:40:39.760 Like, and they're just some random idiot with a TikTok account, but. 0.98

00:40:44.160 You can't talk about RFK like that. 0.99

00:40:47.640 Shout out to Bobby, man.

00:40:49.780 Shout out to Bobby, man.

00:40:50.800 No, no.

00:40:51.300 But, like, all it takes is, one, for me to start going down that rabbit hole because, like,

00:40:55.340 I want to protect that little girl, like, more than anything in my entire life if I want

00:40:58.820 to protect her.

00:40:59.600 And I don't want to, one, I want to protect her.

00:41:01.620 Two, I don't want to be the responsible party to anything that could be negative that happened

00:41:05.500 to her.

00:41:05.720 Right.

00:41:05.940 And I don't have the education to thwart any of the information that I'm consuming.

00:41:11.520 Somebody says a vaccine did this in this trial.

00:41:13.900 I'm like, I guess it did that.

00:41:15.380 I haven't read the other trials.

00:41:17.300 So I think, going back to what we said before, like, I think what Americans see is, like,

00:41:21.080 brutal transparency.

00:41:22.500 Like, nothing would be better if they just did a vaccine trial and then found out, hey,

00:41:26.320 we actually found no adverse effects, you know, or no more than any other medication

00:41:30.140 that we constantly use, you know.

00:41:31.680 There are these instances where this potentially could happen.

00:41:34.840 If your kid has these, you know, red flags, maybe you consider a different option.

00:41:40.060 Like, how amazing would that be for American parents where we just go, thank you so much

00:41:44.700 for being honest.

00:41:45.360 And we'd like to make that decision with, like, truthful information.

00:41:48.620 Do you think that's where the other, you know, Francis and I love America.

00:41:52.040 It's an amazing place.

00:41:53.260 But do you think that's maybe where the other side of another coin comes in, which is this,

00:41:57.980 the culture here is so obsessed with making money.

00:42:00.560 Yeah. 0.99

00:42:01.100 That people will do some pretty horrific shit as long as it makes business sense. 0.98

00:42:05.880 And it almost, like, feels justifies. 0.99

00:42:08.060 Right.

00:42:08.220 We have a saying, I don't know if you guys have it there, but, like, it's just business.

00:42:13.700 Yeah.

00:42:14.060 No, we don't have that saying.

00:42:15.000 No, we don't. 1.00

00:42:15.740 But it's a ridiculous saying, like, I could fuck you over, but, like, hey, it was just 1.00

00:42:18.840 business. 1.00

00:42:19.260 Yeah.

00:42:19.660 It's like, no, it's not just business.

00:42:20.980 No.

00:42:21.380 Like, you and I built a relationship based on what I assumed were shared values.

00:42:26.500 And then you did something that broke the trust that I had in you with those values. 0.99

00:42:31.840 And, yeah, I think it's really fucked up. 0.98

00:42:34.240 Yeah, there is a little bit of a disconnect. 0.98

00:42:35.440 You know, we all call ourselves Americans and we're in this thing together, but sometimes

00:42:39.520 it seems like we have no problem taking advantage of other Americans.

00:42:43.120 And it's like with the crypto rug pulls and all this kind of stuff.

00:42:46.400 It's like, well, those are your countrymen.

00:42:48.480 Those are the people that invested in you.

00:42:49.860 And, yeah, they invested it based on greed.

00:42:51.920 Okay. 1.00

00:42:52.160 But that doesn't mean that you're allowed to fuck them over. 0.99

00:42:55.480 You know, maybe they had optimism about what you were about to offer them. 0.99

00:42:59.280 Yeah.

00:42:59.460 Well, you can be a really big fan of capitalism, but also recognize that there are extremes to it.

00:43:05.640 We, yeah, 100%.

00:43:07.140 I think one of the big issues in America is, I was just doing the All In podcast, so I want to credit them for this idea.

00:43:13.020 But, like, I think the reason why a lot of Americans feel like a lack of hope about their ability to be financially successful is it comes from, I think, like, post-global financial crisis.

00:43:28.220 So, like, after, what is that, 2008?

00:43:29.880 Mm-hmm.

00:43:30.140 In order to, like, get the economy going again, I think the Fed dropped interest rates to, like, 0%.

00:43:37.400 Yeah.

00:43:37.680 So you could get money for nothing, right?

00:43:39.720 And if you're somebody who's, like, financially illiterate, I'm not at all.

00:43:42.920 But you get levered up, right?

00:43:44.840 Mm-hmm.

00:43:44.900 You take out as much money as you possibly can, and you dump it into a recovering market that you know is going to go up.

00:43:49.980 Mm-hmm.

00:43:50.780 And I think a lot of Americans that were very wealthy did that, and then they saw insane gains in the stock market.

00:43:58.660 The middle class that had, like, what we call, like, 401Ks and Roth IRAs, I don't know if you guys have the same thing where you're from.

00:44:06.080 Yeah.

00:44:06.100 We know what you mean.

00:44:06.940 Right?

00:44:07.580 They were, through these investment tools, able to get some access to that, so they went up a little bit.

00:44:13.000 And then everybody else got left behind.

00:44:16.680 I think it's very hard to believe in capitalism when it's not working for you.

00:44:22.100 It seems to be working against you.

00:44:23.620 Like, all these people here, their wages didn't go up.

00:44:25.860 They keep hearing how great the economy is.

00:44:28.040 This shows you, and this is not to rag on the Democrats, but, like, it shows you how disconnected Democrats are from, like, actual working class people.

00:44:34.440 They kept bragging about Biden's economy.

00:44:36.480 They're like, Biden has the strongest economy.

00:44:37.980 It's the most American.

00:44:38.500 No, no, no.

00:44:39.280 The stock market was good.

00:44:41.380 The stock market does not reflect the majority of Americans.

00:44:45.720 The majority of Americans don't even own a stock.

00:44:47.900 They don't even know what the stock is.

00:44:49.640 And what they're seeing is their elected officials going, the economy's great.

00:44:54.100 And they're like, I've been making the same wage at Walmart, and it's getting more expensive.

00:45:00.320 How can you tell me the economy's great, right?

00:45:03.420 And when you feel that, you just feel like the train got on the tracks and pulled away and left you behind.

00:45:10.000 So then you start to have this, like, anti-American sentiment because America doesn't seem to be working for you.

00:45:14.680 So one of the things that, it's not my idea, but, like, I think is very important is, like, you want Americans to be on board with capitalism.

00:45:22.240 They have to feel the benefits of it.

00:45:23.720 They have to be invested in capitalism.

00:45:25.580 So I don't know if it's given every American $10,000 invested in, you know, S&P 500 from the day they're born that they can't touch until they're 22.

00:45:33.360 But I promise you, you have a very different sentiment about the stock market, about capitalism, about America, about CEOs.

00:45:43.780 Like, it's hard to hate Elon when your biggest stock holding is Tesla, right?

00:45:48.940 Like, all of a sudden, you go, I kind of like this guy.

00:45:50.820 You're doing a good job.

00:45:51.580 Why don't you take it easy on him, right?

00:45:53.520 When every American is invested in the success of American industry, you will have a very different relationship with American industry.

00:46:01.180 But we've left far too many people behind.

00:46:03.300 And I think as to what you guys are saying, we feel way too comfortable doing it.

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00:46:38.420 How can you get rid of that?

00:46:39.840 Were you surprised with the Luigi Mangione case, the number of people who came out and were pro this dude?

00:46:45.860 I think that that's like a really important thing to pay attention to if you have a lot of money in America.

00:46:50.860 I think the other thing that people don't talk about as much, but it's like what happened in California in the Palisades.

00:46:57.260 It's the same reaction, right?

00:47:00.180 And like you get, you'll understand everything about a culture based on their reaction to like defining events.

00:47:05.540 So the Mangione thing, everybody was making jokes on Twitter, that guy.

00:47:09.780 Just for people who don't know, this is a guy who went and assassinated a healthcare company.

00:47:14.560 Allegedly.

00:47:14.900 CEO.

00:47:15.740 Allegedly?

00:47:16.860 No, he killed him.

00:47:17.980 Yeah, he killed him. 0.99

00:47:18.580 He killed him. 0.99

00:47:19.120 He killed him.

00:47:19.480 I don't feel like we need to worry about libel on this one. 0.95

00:47:23.700 So he shot this guy.

00:47:25.660 And then what happened in the Palisades is there were some fires that burned down an entire district.

00:47:29.720 And the attitude was essentially, oh, they have another house in Aspen.

00:47:34.020 They have another house over here.

00:47:35.640 Like, oh, it's just rich people's houses. 0.99

00:47:37.160 Who gives a f***? 0.98

00:47:37.900 I see. 0.99

00:47:38.800 I see what you're saying.

00:47:39.720 And the sentiment is, what we were just talking about, is like there's a lot of people that are poor here.

00:47:44.340 And they feel like the country has kind of let them just stay there as it pulled away and made all this money in crypto or made all this money in the stock market or made all this money on.

00:47:54.260 The American dream is not for them.

00:47:55.960 That's what they feel.

00:47:56.740 Well, so now when all those people that they believe, remember people are emotional, so it's like that they believe are the ones that made all the money on the stock market and made all the money in crypto or made, they're the CEOs. 0.98

00:48:08.520 Now that their houses got burned down and one of them gets shot in the head, they go, I don't give a f***. 0.98

00:48:13.360 You didn't give a f*** about me. 1.00

00:48:15.340 You let me sit here like an asshole while y'all took out loans for 0% and then made 22% back on the stock market. 1.00

00:48:21.820 You never checked on me and saw how I was doing. 1.00

00:48:23.860 Never told me I should get a loan.

00:48:25.000 And when you think about it, America, nobody does cults like you do cults in this country.

00:48:31.780 We do believe anything, bro. 0.92

00:48:33.100 You f***ing love it.

00:48:34.060 We do love believing. 0.88

00:48:36.280 But here's the point.

00:48:37.560 You love believing.

00:48:38.560 So if you've essentially ostracized these people from the American dream, they're separated, they're angry, they're resentful, and guess what?

00:48:47.020 They've got every right to be.

00:48:48.700 You need to be really worried, particularly now that there's the internet where everybody can connect,

00:48:53.660 that they're going to form their own cult and something quite dark is going to happen.

00:48:59.440 Yeah.

00:49:00.120 I mean, that happens all the time.

00:49:02.080 Absolutely.

00:49:02.600 I mean, you see the way people are talking about the Jews on Twitter right now.

00:49:06.240 It's exactly that.

00:49:07.420 None of those people are successful.

00:49:09.800 Do you know what I mean?

00:49:11.340 Show me the billionaire guy who's like, yeah, these Jews. 1.00

00:49:13.860 You know what I mean?

00:49:14.300 He can't.

00:49:14.820 That's his golf club.

00:49:15.700 That's his golf club.

00:49:15.720 Most billionaires.

00:49:18.720 So there's like, yeah, so it's, yeah, I think it comes from desperation.

00:49:23.800 Yeah.

00:49:24.260 You know what I mean?

00:49:25.540 So you're selling MSG out night after night.

00:49:27.920 You must be a little bit, have you got a gun under your pillow for Luigi?

00:49:32.100 No.

00:49:32.840 No.

00:49:33.100 He's from New York.

00:49:33.860 He doesn't have a gun.

00:49:34.740 No, I would never.

00:49:35.380 No, I, but no, I think you definitely feel it as you become more successful.

00:49:42.900 Like, as you become more successful, there's going to be more criticism.

00:49:46.540 And as your life becomes less relatable, there's going to be more criticism.

00:49:50.560 I think when you're on your way up, you remind people of their, their, their hopes, their

00:49:54.000 aspirations, their dreams.

00:49:55.000 And I think like when you hit a level of success, you can remind some people of what they may

00:50:00.520 never accomplish.

00:50:01.560 And then from that comes resentment.

00:50:03.700 You have less of that here than we have in Britain.

00:50:06.900 Like in Britain, we absolutely hate successful people in every way.

00:50:09.960 We'll see if there's more celebration.

00:50:11.580 Oh, okay.

00:50:12.060 Oh, wow.

00:50:12.640 So you know all about it.

00:50:13.240 Yeah.

00:50:13.700 So like, and she told me, she's like, I mean, like I'm talking about like work in class,

00:50:17.300 like dad worked on the docks, you know, died of, you know, lung cancer or whatever from

00:50:22.360 the asbestos or whatever was in the boats.

00:50:24.900 Like, yeah.

00:50:26.800 And I get that.

00:50:27.460 And she told me that, you know, it's like this idea of who do you think you are?

00:50:30.920 You think you're better than us.

00:50:32.000 And this is like, I imagine there's like the, the class system still exists like emotionally.

00:50:39.680 Yeah.

00:50:39.860 Oh, yeah.

00:50:40.180 Yeah, it does.

00:50:41.360 And, uh, which I don't know if I'd make an argument for it, but I wonder if like part

00:50:47.540 of the idea of it was to like temper what you have in America, which is the frustration

00:50:53.840 of, uh, upward mobility, not working for you.

00:50:58.160 Like maybe the idea in Britain is like, all right, well, if we just make everybody feel

00:51:01.720 like they should stay there, at least they'll just be happy where they are with their people.

00:51:06.220 They'll be annoyed at the rich people, but they never hang out with them.

00:51:09.140 Now you didn't plan for Instagram and social media when you created the system.

00:51:13.380 Now you've got a lot of working class people. 0.96

00:51:15.980 They've got to look at rich people doing all day and they're like, damn, but back in the 0.96

00:51:19.640 day, maybe it, maybe it functioned. 0.98

00:51:21.460 All right.

00:51:22.920 I don't know.

00:51:23.720 Kept the riffraff where it belonged. 0.99

00:51:25.560 Because you spend, you spend most of your time.

00:51:28.480 I only say that.

00:51:29.440 So Francis, Francis has a bit of a chip on his shoulder.

00:51:32.620 I have a large chip on my shoulder.

00:51:33.780 Well, because he comes from a, like, he will say, he will say lower middle class, which

00:51:40.080 is a way of saying he feels slightly insecure about it.

00:51:42.640 Yeah.

00:51:42.920 Whereas I went to boarding school and I'm, I'm from another country, so I don't really

00:51:46.280 have class, so to speak.

00:51:47.700 So I'm free of that.

00:51:49.500 Yeah.

00:51:49.800 He, he never has.

00:51:51.020 So no matter how successful we are, he still feels resentful.

00:51:53.900 I still want to burn down his school.

00:51:55.680 Yeah. 0.74

00:51:56.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:51:56.900 For no reason.

00:51:57.660 No, for every reason.

00:51:59.040 It's too much privilege.

00:52:00.060 I want rid of it. 0.99

00:52:01.220 You want to be miserable like me. 0.99

00:52:02.560 Yeah, but you don't have to be miserable. 0.98

00:52:04.320 You got everything.

00:52:04.960 No, I cannot have to be miserable.

00:52:06.260 It's burned into me through generations.

00:52:07.900 That's basically it.

00:52:08.880 Get rid of it.

00:52:09.940 No.

00:52:10.320 Enjoy your success.

00:52:11.700 No.

00:52:12.100 You deserve it.

00:52:13.180 Don't say that.

00:52:13.860 You're good enough.

00:52:14.700 I feel sick.

00:52:16.740 I feel utterly sick.

00:52:18.600 Like, I was watching your special and it's great and I urge everyone to watch it, but

00:52:22.040 when you came out and everyone was going mad and there was a big fireworks, if that

00:52:26.320 happened in Scotland, you would have been executed. 0.53

00:52:28.320 I did it in Scotland.

00:52:29.680 You did it in Scotland?

00:52:30.420 Yeah, of course.

00:52:31.740 I did it in Glasgow.

00:52:32.960 You did it in Glasgow?

00:52:34.060 Yeah.

00:52:34.460 That's from my mom's friend.

00:52:35.800 Yeah, I love the show.

00:52:36.940 We had a great time in the show.

00:52:38.180 And you did, man.

00:52:39.520 And the Scots went with that? 0.85

00:52:41.100 Yeah.

00:52:41.420 But he's American, so when he's coming over, it's factored in.

00:52:44.360 Your point is not if Andrew did that in Scotland.

00:52:46.680 Your point is if a British comedian worked out like that, had that kind of entrance. 0.99

00:52:51.480 Everyone would be like, what the fuck does this country use? 1.00

00:52:53.560 I love pissing y'all off with that shit. 1.00

00:52:55.840 I love pissing y'all. 1.00

00:52:56.960 Nothing makes me happier than pissing people like you off. 0.99

00:53:01.700 Do you know why? 0.97

00:53:02.660 It's because we can't express how pissed off we are.

00:53:05.440 Yeah, I know.

00:53:06.460 It's your thing.

00:53:07.140 It's not about me.

00:53:08.320 Yeah.

00:53:09.200 But that's what I'm trying to say.

00:53:10.360 It's okay.

00:53:10.980 You deserve your success.

00:53:12.240 You work very hard for it.

00:53:13.340 You're obviously very good at what you do, so you've earned it.

00:53:16.740 It doesn't mean that we should feel entitled to it.

00:53:18.380 We're all fucking so lucky that we even get to do this for a living. 0.77

00:53:20.980 It's insane. 0.69

00:53:21.600 But what I've realized is that the people who are very happy for my success, be that fans

00:53:27.760 or even other comedians or stuff like that, are usually pretty confident folks.

00:53:33.700 And the ones who maybe are upset, maybe not as confident.

00:53:39.460 It takes a lot of confidence to be happy for someone else's success.

00:53:43.920 And this industry naturally attracts people with bottomless pits.

00:53:47.440 You know, like I know people who are doing millions and millions and millions of dollars

00:53:51.380 worth of tickets, and there's somebody selling a little more than them, and that's the only

00:53:54.920 thing they're focused on. 0.92

00:53:56.320 And I'm like, what a waste you are. 0.61

00:53:58.800 You know, you got so lucky to have this opportunity to do that, and you're focused on like the 0.98

00:54:02.700 one other guy who's selling more tickets than you.

00:54:05.100 Like, why don't you focus on the 99.999% of comedians who you're selling more tickets

00:54:10.400 than if you need to compare?

00:54:12.400 Or just be stoked.

00:54:13.380 Like, I am, I don't, I don't get that feeling like about other people.

00:54:19.680 No, well, it's, it's a really healthy way to be, but I will say from personal experience,

00:54:24.080 it is a lot easier to feel that way when you are successful.

00:54:27.200 It is a lot easier to have that attitude when you yourself are successful.

00:54:30.420 But the majority of my life has not been success.

00:54:32.280 Yeah.

00:54:32.780 So it's like, yeah, it's like, but even during that time, like the people I really admired,

00:54:37.400 I would, and I, hopefully you don't feel like I'm ragging on you.

00:54:40.400 I know you're just joking around, but.

00:54:41.700 But you'll always.

00:54:42.920 Think about my feelings.

00:54:43.960 You'll always be where you are.

00:54:49.400 But, but yeah, like, you know, even coming up, like the people who I like really admired

00:54:53.740 and I loved, I just, I had to scream it.

00:54:58.140 That's different though, because the gap is big.

00:55:01.120 You're right.

00:55:01.640 So it's, if you're a new comic and you're looking at Bill Burr, you can be inspired by

00:55:06.600 that.

00:55:06.840 But if you're looking at the guy that you started with.

00:55:09.380 You're right.

00:55:09.600 And he is way ahead of you.

00:55:11.620 You're a hundred percent right.

00:55:12.680 And you, you think you're more talented, which every comedian thinks.

00:55:16.020 You're right.

00:55:16.480 So it's a lot easier to have that, but it's the right attitude.

00:55:19.180 I'm just saying it's, for me, it's become super easy now that we're like, we're doing

00:55:23.440 well.

00:55:23.700 Yeah.

00:55:23.800 And I know we learned it from Joe actually.

00:55:27.160 Yeah.

00:55:27.340 He's, we learned that definitely learned that from Joe.

00:55:29.620 Cause the first time we went and did the show, suddenly it really hit us the way that, especially

00:55:34.260 I think it's a big cultural difference between America and the UK in America.

00:55:38.000 It's like this, there's plenty for everybody in Britain.

00:55:41.480 This sort of feels like it's very limited and everyone is scrapping over, you know,

00:55:45.820 everything.

00:55:46.800 It's a great attitude.

00:55:47.900 I love it.

00:55:48.340 It's so much better.

00:55:49.060 And that trickles down.

00:55:50.600 Yeah.

00:55:50.900 Yeah.

00:55:51.180 Yeah.

00:55:51.300 Like the comedy scene isn't what it is today if he's not around.

00:55:56.420 And I mean that in terms of the culture that he passes.

00:56:01.980 Like if you're somebody who's like a gatekeeper and you don't put on other comics, you don't

00:56:06.320 try to help people, you're kind of ostracized from that scene.

00:56:10.580 Like you're not looked at as somebody who like carries on the tradition of the scene, which

00:56:13.980 is like, yo, let's all help each other.

00:56:15.260 Let's all build.

00:56:15.880 And there's plenty to eat, like me getting something is going to take it away from you.

00:56:21.500 And the fact that we can all do everything online, it's not like we're competing for

00:56:24.400 eight half hour specials a year.

00:56:26.600 You can just put your special up whenever you want.

00:56:28.920 Yeah.

00:56:30.100 So I think that like, I don't think he gets enough credit for like the culture that he's

00:56:36.200 created around a business that's like insanely competitive and has the most insecure people.

00:56:41.200 Like competitive and insecurity does not go well when it comes to like social cohesion

00:56:47.840 and wanting to lift others up.

00:56:49.460 But he's been able to do it.

00:56:51.060 Yeah.

00:56:51.240 Rogan is the master of that.

00:56:52.640 And that's an amazing thing.

00:56:54.100 Did becoming a dad change some of the ways that you looked at life?

00:56:58.000 Yeah.

00:56:58.360 In every way.

00:56:58.980 It's the most cliche.

00:57:01.040 Like every cliche you could ever imagine about having children.

00:57:03.660 Yeah.

00:57:03.840 You feel.

00:57:04.780 You're actually embarrassed as a comedian that you don't have more unique takes.

00:57:09.080 Like I thought, oh, I'm going to have all this like unique takes about my daughter.

00:57:12.480 No, it's like my daughter has the best smile and the funniest laugh.

00:57:15.420 And only my daughter does.

00:57:17.820 Everybody with kids feels the exact same way.

00:57:19.920 Yeah.

00:57:20.920 I became a lot more empathetic when I became a dad.

00:57:23.280 Did you find that?

00:57:24.280 Yeah.

00:57:25.240 I was starting from a low base in my case.

00:57:27.240 Fair enough.

00:57:27.800 Fair enough.

00:57:28.120 I think that like I've always, even though like maybe it wasn't reflected in my comedy,

00:57:32.840 but I've always been able to have like a good amount of empathy, I think.

00:57:38.140 But I would say my world got a lot smaller.

00:57:41.560 Like the opinions I cared about.

00:57:44.820 Like it's very easy to just not care about whatever criticism is out there on the internet.

00:57:51.440 As long as like my daughter's happy and my wife's happy.

00:57:54.760 Like I really don't need anything else outside of that.

00:57:57.160 And then my friends, like those three, I'm okay.

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00:58:05.300 Like there is a privilege to be like not as concerned about like what the world is saying about an interview I did or something.

00:58:13.720 But yeah, I'm just like very satisfied and happy as long as they're happy.

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00:59:33.980 You talk about it in the special.

00:59:36.060 It's really funny when you talk about being a father of a daughter.

00:59:39.920 Because that's a unique thing, isn't it?

00:59:41.720 Because a friend of ours, Melissa Chen, was saying that your number one duty as a father or mother of a daughter is to keep her away from OnlyFans.

00:59:53.120 Yes, exactly.

00:59:54.360 Yes, you've got to.

00:59:56.160 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:56.880 That is the absolute concern.

00:59:59.180 I mean, it's so interesting.

01:00:00.400 Like, you don't really put a gender on them as a child.

01:00:05.000 Like, you're not like, oh, this is my daughter.

01:00:07.620 It's like, this is my baby.

01:00:08.900 Because they don't really do male or female things in the beginning, you know.

01:00:12.920 But you as like a dad definitely have a more protective.

01:00:16.780 Like, when I didn't know what we were going to have it, I assumed it was a boy.

01:00:19.760 I was like, they're going to public school.

01:00:21.020 The second it was a daughter, I was like, we got to look at private.

01:00:24.120 I can't let this girl be around the hooligans I went to school with. 1.00

01:00:27.400 You know what I mean?

01:00:28.200 So you do have a natural, you know, protectiveness.

01:00:32.640 Do you have daughters?

01:00:33.820 Do you have...

01:00:34.200 Son.

01:00:34.380 Son, son, yeah.

01:00:35.200 Yeah.

01:00:35.680 And...

01:00:36.440 But my son is approaching three. 1.00

01:00:38.760 He's already doing boy shit. 1.00

01:00:40.680 Yeah. 1.00

01:00:40.980 Yeah.

01:00:41.260 He's got boy levels of energy and smashing his head into things and stuff like that.

01:00:45.220 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:46.300 I mean, it's just the coolest.

01:00:47.720 I hope every...

01:00:48.260 Look at that smile.

01:00:48.780 It's the first time you smiled at all interview.

01:00:50.240 No.

01:00:50.620 Other than when he's rinsed you.

01:00:52.080 Yeah, exactly.

01:00:52.900 He looked delighted.

01:00:54.140 No, it's the best.

01:00:55.020 He is the best.

01:00:55.780 He is the best.

01:00:56.700 I want more people...

01:00:58.760 Yeah, I just want more people to have...

01:00:59.560 I became evangelical about kids once I had mine.

01:01:02.580 As we should.

01:01:03.280 Yeah.

01:01:03.740 Why do you think people don't have as many kids?

01:01:06.600 Well, I think they're expensive.

01:01:07.920 They are.

01:01:08.520 And I think that we start a little bit later here because we're so, like, kind of career

01:01:12.120 driven.

01:01:12.960 I think it's hard to have them. 0.93

01:01:14.240 Like, I mean, the whole special is about my sperm sucking and, like, us having to go

01:01:18.040 through this huge process of, you know, eventually to IVF where we were able and we got lucky

01:01:24.520 we were able to.

01:01:25.000 But, like, a lot of people go through that for, you know, eight years and unfortunately

01:01:29.760 aren't able to conceive.

01:01:32.080 And then some of them are lucky enough to.

01:01:33.500 Like, I got flooded with all these stories of people who, like, tried forever.

01:01:38.100 And what is nice about that is that, like, you get to see how much people really want

01:01:44.120 to have a family.

01:01:45.080 I think a lot of, like, what we project in media is, like, how our kids annoy us or how

01:01:50.340 they're, like, taking away from something that we want to do.

01:01:53.840 And my experience and the kind of people who have been relating to my special is people

01:02:01.220 who are desperate to have a family and they thought they weren't going to be able to have

01:02:05.380 one.

01:02:05.880 And then with some luck and some science, we're then able to.

01:02:10.740 And they're so unbelievably grateful.

01:02:13.720 So it's like, you know how, like, when immigrants come to America, they love everything about

01:02:17.080 America?

01:02:17.820 That's how we are about kids.

01:02:19.100 We're like, I don't know if I'll be able to get there.

01:02:21.380 And then we got there and we're like, oh, my God, this country is amazing.

01:02:24.520 So it's, yeah, it's just awesome.

01:02:27.920 It's awesome.

01:02:28.520 Do you think a large part of the problem that we see with society is that people don't have

01:02:33.020 families and they're not rooted and they don't feel connected?

01:02:35.820 Yeah.

01:02:36.160 I mean, absolutely.

01:02:38.720 Yeah.

01:02:39.500 Yeah.

01:02:39.900 I think that that's, and how do we, like, re-instill that?

01:02:43.040 I also think when you have both parents, you know, working really hard, it's maybe difficult

01:02:47.420 to do that.

01:02:49.040 And I think stay-at-home moms are really scrutinized. 1.00

01:02:51.840 So at least in America, that is.

01:02:54.040 Like, my wife is, you know, she was, she's got her MBA from NYU. 0.63

01:02:58.780 She's working at Apple, like, PMing AI projects.

01:03:01.880 She's like, very high-functioning, you know, ambitious woman. 0.99

01:03:05.540 She was like, I don't want to do this shit. 1.00

01:03:07.680 I want to be a mom. 1.00

01:03:08.340 Exactly the same.

01:03:09.860 About six months into the pregnancy, as I am.

01:03:11.980 Literally at six months.

01:03:13.020 Yeah.

01:03:13.480 Yeah.

01:03:13.980 Well, it's, once the baby comes along, it's hard for that not to be your priority.

01:03:20.480 It's like, I don't do shit that would be good for my career because I'm like, you know 0.96

01:03:24.260 what? 0.97

01:03:24.560 I want to do bath time.

01:03:25.880 Yeah.

01:03:27.240 You know?

01:03:27.880 Yeah.

01:03:28.160 It's worth more to me.

01:03:29.460 Way more.

01:03:30.040 Than going out and getting X grand for this thing that, you know, that I'd quite like to

01:03:35.200 do.

01:03:35.360 But, yeah, but I just, this is more, it's worth more.

01:03:39.140 100%.

01:03:39.580 You know?

01:03:40.160 It's funny, it's funny that way.

01:03:42.060 It's funny that way.

01:03:42.740 Are you going to have more?

01:03:43.700 I would love to.

01:03:44.580 God willing.

01:03:45.200 Yeah.

01:03:45.660 That would be great.

01:03:46.580 And it's awesome that you're prioritizing that.

01:03:49.160 Yeah.

01:03:49.620 You know? 1.00

01:03:50.140 I mean, sucks for you. 0.99

01:03:54.840 I've just met you. 0.99

01:03:56.140 No.

01:03:56.580 Second time.

01:03:57.540 No, no, no.

01:03:59.120 But, no, it is, I think it's great.

01:04:01.080 Like, I love to see that, I love to see that reinforced.

01:04:04.340 I think that message needs to be out there more.

01:04:07.440 Yeah, this is what I think is missing from, like, the masculinity movement or whatever.

01:04:11.620 Totally.

01:04:12.620 Totally.

01:04:13.120 It's, again, all the same guys.

01:04:14.340 Like, it's all the same guys who have now become, like, the truth on, like, Israel and 0.68

01:04:19.120 Jews and geopolitics.

01:04:20.280 Like, telling us how to be a man and none of them have kids.

01:04:23.280 Yeah.

01:04:23.620 Like, I don't need you to tell me how to be a man if you don't have kids.

01:04:25.980 Totally.

01:04:26.420 I really don't need it.

01:04:28.000 Like, you could tell me, like, how to lift weights or you could tell me how to do the

01:04:30.800 other thing.

01:04:31.100 But you don't know what it is to be a man yet until you really have children.

01:04:36.200 And then you understand what we're protecting.

01:04:38.400 And you're in their lives, Andrew, right?

01:04:39.940 Because this is another thing. 0.92

01:04:41.060 Having children isn't about putting sperm into a woman. 1.00

01:04:43.860 Clearly.

01:04:45.520 You can get a doctor to do that.

01:04:46.900 But that's what you're saying, really.

01:04:50.100 It's about what that commitment and that responsibility does to you as a human being

01:04:55.120 and how you then carry yourself in the world.

01:04:57.280 Yeah.

01:04:57.900 A hundred percent.

01:04:59.020 And, like, those are the people that I really look up to.

01:05:01.440 I admire.

01:05:01.980 Like, I love that you're making that extra time.

01:05:04.340 That's what I, I mean, my schedule is, I come at home six o'clock every single day.

01:05:08.060 I get to hang with her.

01:05:10.060 And then, you know, we put her down.

01:05:12.320 And then I hang with her in the morning when I wake up.

01:05:13.900 And then it's like, I can't break that six o'clock.

01:05:17.660 Am I perfect?

01:05:18.220 No.

01:05:18.480 But I try my hardest to not break that six o'clock because that's the time I get to hang

01:05:21.620 with her.

01:05:22.180 And now she's at the age where she starts, she can tell if I'm packing a bag that I'm

01:05:27.240 going to be leaving for a little bit.

01:05:28.540 And that's, like, impossible.

01:05:30.380 Oh, man.

01:05:31.140 I did a video call with my wife and son, and he's talking now.

01:05:36.980 The day we arrived from the UK, we landed yesterday.

01:05:40.140 And he's like, Daddy, come home quick. 1.00

01:05:41.980 She's like, fuck. 1.00

01:05:43.900 What am I supposed to do? 1.00

01:05:44.940 No.

01:05:45.460 You can't.

01:05:46.140 It's like, she'll, like, grab on and she'll, like, if I try to put her down or I try to

01:05:51.580 walk away, she'll start crying. 1.00

01:05:52.880 And when your child grabs onto your arm, like, you can actually feel her fingers indent into

01:06:00.040 your arm.

01:06:00.460 Like, I don't even know how to do it.

01:06:10.420 Like, I can't take her off of me when she wants to be on.

01:06:13.700 So I have to have, like, my wife hug as well.

01:06:17.980 And then maybe she'll make the move to go on to my wife. 1.00

01:06:20.820 And then I'll try to sneak out of my own home so I can provide for her. 0.94

01:06:25.780 Yeah.

01:06:25.980 But considering that you have a daughter, has it changed the way that you see the world

01:06:30.880 and the way it treats women?

01:06:33.380 Not really, to be honest with you. 1.00

01:06:35.360 Still disapproves of whore. 1.00

01:06:37.920 He's massively anti-whore. 1.00

01:06:39.380 Yeah, I'm even more anti-whore now. 0.98

01:06:42.180 Like, I grew up with, like, a very strong woman. 0.95

01:06:45.480 Like, my mom, you know, she always worked.

01:06:47.800 It was her business.

01:06:48.580 My dad then came over to work in that business.

01:06:51.560 So, like, my expectations of, like, what women can do have always been, like, really high.

01:06:55.400 So I think a lot of my rejection of, like, the fourth wave of feminism victimhood that

01:07:03.000 you saw was, like, I'm, like, seeing these chicks from Harvard talk about, like, how hard 1.00

01:07:07.340 it is to be a woman, like, what they've got to go through. 1.00

01:07:09.480 I'm, like, my mom stopped going to school at 14 and, like, poor as fuck, you know, outskirts 0.98

01:07:14.960 of Glasgow, Scotland, comes to America and has, like, this huge success. 0.99

01:07:18.600 And you go to Harvard and you can't figure it out.

01:07:21.080 Like, what world are we living in right here?

01:07:23.920 So, yeah, I don't think that, but I will say it's changed my idea of, like, stay-at-home

01:07:31.020 moms and the importance of, like, motherhood and being, if you can afford it, like, really 0.99

01:07:36.700 being with that kid and not looking at it as a sacrifice, but, like, really something that

01:07:42.000 we should reward societally.

01:07:43.960 Like, how do we pour into that and try to not make the mistake of, like, now that I know

01:07:50.180 my wife is, like, staying home, I'm, like, giving her other tasks to do. 1.00

01:07:54.680 And that tells you everything about how you view staying at home, right?

01:08:00.800 Because, like, if I viewed it as, oh, this is a full-time job that takes up all your time,

01:08:04.720 I would never be like, hey, can you also manage our finances?

01:08:08.360 Like, but it's one of those things where, like, you've got to start realizing, wait a minute,

01:08:13.640 you could just keep pouring into a kid.

01:08:16.740 You know what I mean?

01:08:17.400 They are an empty void as well in a lot of ways.

01:08:20.220 Like, they don't just get filled up and then stops and then you work on the finances.

01:08:23.060 Like, you can, every day it can be teaching, it can be finding new activities, finding

01:08:27.300 interest in them.

01:08:27.940 Like, you can just keep pouring in.

01:08:29.520 So, well, obviously I need help in life from my wife, you know.

01:08:34.440 I don't want to treat taking after, taking care of the kid as if it's this thing that

01:08:39.420 doesn't take up a lot of time.

01:08:41.380 So that was something I kind of had to learn.

01:08:42.620 And it's, because it's tough, because on the one hand, you've got success and you

01:08:49.880 live in New York and it's so disastrously expensive.

01:08:53.820 It is.

01:08:54.320 I can't, I don't understand how even upper middle class people live in this city.

01:09:00.380 So this is the great thing about New York, okay, is that it is humbling.

01:09:06.560 That it is.

01:09:07.500 And we've never, like, I had to learn, obviously, like, a little bit through my mom, but like,

01:09:14.920 like, there are people, for example, that they don't like to show how well they're doing

01:09:19.700 because they are concerned that it could piss off their community, their fans, or whoever

01:09:26.280 it is.

01:09:26.520 Luigi.

01:09:26.860 Luigi might get upset.

01:09:29.920 Yeah.

01:09:30.780 When you grow up in New York, you've never felt rich because there's always somebody way

01:09:37.440 richer down the block.

01:09:39.180 You never feel like you have the best car.

01:09:40.580 You never feel like you have the coolest clothes.

01:09:41.860 You never feel like anything.

01:09:43.640 You never feel like you get into the best club.

01:09:45.440 Like, nobody ever feels like they're at the top because it's literally the top of everyone

01:09:50.360 in the world has converged on this one tiny little city, right?

01:09:53.460 Mm-hmm.

01:09:54.520 So you're not embarrassed to try, one.

01:09:58.660 Like, I know sometimes, like, trying, you know, like, trying, making an effort.

01:10:03.080 Like, there's this little thing in culture right now which is, like, if you're trying,

01:10:06.220 it's, like, uncool. 1.00

01:10:07.360 It's, like, I can't wait till we get off of that little shit. 1.00

01:10:09.780 That is so whack to me. 1.00

01:10:11.600 Like, you're just afraid to fail, and failure is cool.

01:10:14.580 You should fail.

01:10:15.360 If you're not failing, you're not trying hard enough.

01:10:17.220 Like, if you are not failing, your dreams aren't big enough, right?

01:10:19.920 So, like, but in New York, we try because that's the only way that you're going to be

01:10:24.820 able to compete.

01:10:25.380 You're going against the best of the best from when you're a kid.

01:10:28.220 Like, it's high-performing people's kids.

01:10:30.740 What do you think they do?

01:10:32.060 Do you know what I mean?

01:10:32.620 It's, like, the smartest person in Korea married the smartest person in Russia, and 1.00

01:10:35.900 they made a fucking kid in New York, and I got to compete against that motherfucker 1.00

01:10:38.760 on a math test. 1.00

01:10:39.920 Like, that's life.

01:10:41.760 So trying is cool, but you never feel like you're bragging because there's already somebody

01:10:45.900 way more.

01:10:46.500 I had to learn that, like, posting, like, a picture on a fancy vacation could, like,

01:10:52.460 make people feel uncomfortable.

01:10:54.020 And I'm like, this vacation is nothing compared to the guy who lives down the block from me.

01:10:58.180 He wouldn't be caught dead in this hotel.

01:11:00.620 You know what I mean?

01:11:01.120 It was just, like, a thing I had to learn about success.

01:11:03.960 But I do ultimately think that, like, trying is, you have to, I would love, I think that's

01:11:13.260 one of the things about American school.

01:11:14.700 It's, like, that, the shameless effort.

01:11:18.660 That's a key part of your success, because in Britain, we look down on trying.

01:11:22.160 When we started this show, people were going, you're trying?

01:11:26.300 Yeah.

01:11:27.000 Why don't you just accept?

01:11:28.240 I tell you a story from school time.

01:11:31.360 So you guys have American football, we have rugby, right?

01:11:34.020 And the one thing that happens is when you score, the same thing happens, which is you

01:11:37.720 have the opportunity to kick for an extra point.

01:11:39.980 In rugby, it's extra two points.

01:11:41.800 So there was this guy at my school, shout out to him, Tom Brown, great rugby player.

01:11:46.140 He went on to nearly play professionally, actually.

01:11:48.740 And there was a game, I think it was end of the season.

01:11:51.660 The score was tied.

01:11:52.880 It was, like, 22-22 or something like that, right?

01:11:55.040 And he rushed out and blocked the conversion attempt.

01:12:02.080 And our team went on and won because of that.

01:12:05.160 Because of that.

01:12:05.600 Because of that, right?

01:12:06.380 Because they kicked the penalty, it was three points, they won. 0.98

01:12:08.880 Something like that.

01:12:09.420 I don't remember the score.

01:12:10.880 But basically, because he blocked that conversion, the team won.

01:12:14.580 And the next day, the entire thing at the school was, oh, what a keener.

01:12:17.980 Someone who's keen.

01:12:19.000 Someone tries too hard.

01:12:22.160 Yeah.

01:12:23.260 Yeah.

01:12:23.460 And that's a posh school.

01:12:26.120 Can you imagine the school that I went to?

01:12:29.820 What?

01:12:30.600 Yeah.

01:12:31.000 So they're upset at the effort that he made.

01:12:33.120 They weren't upset.

01:12:34.240 They looked down on him for trying so hard.

01:12:38.020 He tried so hard.

01:12:39.020 Like, no one tries to block the conversion.

01:12:40.760 That's, come on, what are you doing?

01:12:42.180 So where does that come from? 1.00

01:12:43.740 Do you think that's a class shit? 0.99

01:12:45.000 Or should this subvert class? 1.00

01:12:46.540 Because it's a sport.

01:12:48.520 It's meritocracy.

01:12:49.540 It's effort.

01:12:49.940 I tell you what I think in the UK it is, at least part of it.

01:12:53.620 The UK used to have a landed gentry. 0.99

01:12:55.780 The landed gentry are people who were rich because their grandparents were rich. 0.98

01:12:59.660 Yes.

01:13:00.100 Right?

01:13:00.220 Yes, yes, yes.

01:13:00.780 So there is a link in people's minds between wealth and being someone whose entire life

01:13:07.500 is spent partying and you never earned it.

01:13:10.440 You never worked for it.

01:13:11.520 So if you're rich, you're like, you're probably a bit sus.

01:13:15.520 You know what I mean?

01:13:16.140 Like, you're not a good person.

01:13:17.820 Yeah.

01:13:18.080 You didn't work for that.

01:13:19.400 You didn't create things of value to other people.

01:13:21.520 You didn't make a special that people went and paid 50 bucks for.

01:13:24.440 Yeah.

01:13:24.500 Right?

01:13:25.100 You just got it because your dad had it and he had it because his dad had it.

01:13:29.160 And they shouldn't be able to show off.

01:13:31.400 Yeah.

01:13:31.960 I believe in that.

01:13:33.200 Yeah.

01:13:33.380 I think if you didn't earn it or if you didn't create your own path, you shouldn't be able

01:13:36.780 to show off.

01:13:37.480 Definitely.

01:13:38.080 But then there's the other part of the equation, which is if you do come from humble backgrounds

01:13:42.000 and you do make it and you buy yourself. 0.99

01:13:44.400 You can't say shit. 1.00

01:13:45.180 You can't say. 0.99

01:13:46.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:13:46.320 That's fucked up. 1.00

01:13:46.760 You should be screaming it from the rooftop. 1.00

01:13:48.200 Because here's the thing.

01:13:49.180 You know our term for it?

01:13:50.140 I don't know if you have it here.

01:13:51.560 Nouveau riche.

01:13:52.640 Yes.

01:13:53.160 And you know we hate them because we use French words.

01:13:57.800 No, but new money is, we call it new money.

01:14:00.260 New money is the coolest.

01:14:01.940 No, not in the UK.

01:14:02.840 No, not in the UK.

01:14:03.640 It means you have no class.

01:14:04.820 Yeah.

01:14:05.220 That's why the British hate Trump.

01:14:07.400 You know, the British hate Trump and they think, well, the Americans think because it's

01:14:11.060 what they say.

01:14:11.860 It's not.

01:14:12.340 It's because he's got a gold elevator.

01:14:13.860 And we look at that and go, that is disgusting. 0.71

01:14:16.620 How tasteless.

01:14:17.520 Now, listen, there is, yes, there is a-

01:14:20.080 A golden toilet is what is-

01:14:21.360 Yeah.

01:14:21.540 Yes, 100%.

01:14:22.960 Like, we would say that about-

01:14:23.900 No disrespect, Mr. President. 1.00

01:14:24.980 We still want to interview you, but your golden toilet is a fucking abomination. 1.00

01:14:27.720 It gets a little ridiculous. 1.00

01:14:28.460 Some people would say that about, for example, like Miami, right?

01:14:31.680 Like, there's so many, like, green cars there.

01:14:35.040 They're like orange cars, like a Lamborghini Urus.

01:14:37.920 You know what I mean?

01:14:38.400 It's just like, it's the first thing you do when you get some money is that you buy something

01:14:42.660 that lets everybody know that you got some money.

01:14:44.480 And so somebody's like, oh, there's a classless test there.

01:14:47.620 Yeah.

01:14:47.800 You know what else is really nice about Miami is that there's a classless test.

01:14:53.160 That's great.

01:14:53.580 You feel free within the classless test. 0.98

01:14:55.400 When you're in these, like, restrictive cultures, like if you're at the fucking Downton 0.98

01:14:59.900 Abbey or whatever that shit is, and you're like, am I eating the salad right? 0.98

01:15:02.940 Is this the right fork? 0.99

01:15:04.080 You're, like, constantly worried about, like, this pretentiousness being cast on you because

01:15:09.560 you're not operating with the level of, like, there's a specific fealty or something like that.

01:15:16.240 Yes.

01:15:16.700 Yeah.

01:15:17.260 Yeah.

01:15:18.120 You've got to know the rules and have an appropriate level of deference to the right person.

01:15:23.140 Yeah.

01:15:23.420 And it's just like, why did we fight a war? 1.00

01:15:25.260 Like, we fought a war so we didn't have to do that shit. 1.00

01:15:27.440 Like, if I want to grab the salad with my fingers and shove it in my mouth, then I'll do 0.99

01:15:31.840 that because that's the best way that I, did I buy it?

01:15:34.080 Yeah.

01:15:35.080 I bought the salad.

01:15:36.340 It's here. 0.99

01:15:37.420 I don't give a fuck how anybody else sees it. 0.98

01:15:39.640 Are classy things nice? 0.99

01:15:40.780 Yes, of course.

01:15:41.760 It's beautiful.

01:15:42.560 You go to some fancy place and it's awesome. 1.00

01:15:44.660 And you sit there, you go, you know, rich people, they made some nice fucking shit. 1.00

01:15:48.420 They really did. 1.00

01:15:49.180 I like tapping in for, like, a week or two, going to a nice resort.

01:15:51.920 I get it.

01:15:52.500 That's awesome.

01:15:53.120 It's awesome.

01:15:53.580 I don't want to live there. 0.97

01:15:55.000 I like tapping in, enjoying it, getting the fuck out. 1.00

01:15:57.620 Get back on the street, have somebody spit, talk some shit. 1.00

01:16:00.920 I like using curse words. 1.00

01:16:03.140 It's too rigid.

01:16:04.080 That culture.

01:16:04.980 And it's just, what's the point of freedom?

01:16:06.520 Like, I need to act authentically.

01:16:08.580 Authentic action is buying an orange car the second you get money because you're excited.

01:16:13.260 So would I ever buy an orange car?

01:16:15.420 No.

01:16:15.960 Do I hope my daughter never dates a guy who has an orange car?

01:16:18.420 Yes.

01:16:18.660 I hope she never dates a guy who has an orange car.

01:16:20.640 Do I love that guy for doing it?

01:16:22.420 Yes.

01:16:23.700 Because he's doing what he wants to do and he's not doing it because he's worried about, like,

01:16:29.580 what some old money person that's never achieved anything in their entire life is telling him

01:16:34.180 what he should or shouldn't do.

01:16:36.100 Does that make sense?

01:16:37.020 That's American Sparrow.

01:16:38.360 Yeah. 1.00

01:16:38.500 How can you let motherfuckers that never earned a dollar make you feel shitty about what you do? 1.00

01:16:43.600 Yeah. 1.00

01:16:44.220 That's crazy. 0.99

01:16:45.620 I don't give a fuck about any of them. 0.99

01:16:47.480 When y'all watch Titanic, who's the bad guy? 0.98

01:16:50.900 Rose.

01:16:52.240 She pushed him off the thing.

01:16:53.800 Yes, of course, of course.

01:16:54.760 But before Rose did that selfish thing, like, like, why does nobody talk about this?

01:16:59.440 No, no, no, no.

01:16:59.900 This is this very, this very common in America.

01:17:02.420 He was heroic.

01:17:03.500 No, he wasn't.

01:17:04.420 He was heroic.

01:17:06.020 No.

01:17:06.440 Saving her.

01:17:07.300 No, she could have said, there's two of us here.

01:17:09.680 We're going to be together.

01:17:10.940 We love each other.

01:17:12.160 This is meant to be.

01:17:13.200 Did she do that? 1.00

01:17:13.860 No, she just let it down.

01:17:14.880 I mean, she just met the guy, right?

01:17:16.340 She doesn't love him. 1.00

01:17:17.160 You know, she just got fucked good. 1.00

01:17:21.200 That's it. 0.99

01:17:21.760 That's all it is to you.

01:17:22.680 That's all this is.

01:17:25.020 Andrew, you actually had a point.

01:17:26.220 Who's the bad guy in the Titanic?

01:17:27.320 Yeah, like, to you guys, who's the bad guy?

01:17:30.320 Oh, it's Billy Zane's character.

01:17:32.600 Billy's character, but also, like, there's certain characters that are specifically pushing

01:17:36.320 back against this pretentiousness we're talking about.

01:17:38.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:17:39.220 So the woman that teaches him how to use the silverware, like, she's calling a farce on 1.00

01:17:45.080 all this stuff. 0.98

01:17:45.740 She's like, that's ridiculous. 1.00

01:17:46.700 These people are stupid, but it is what it is. 1.00

01:17:48.840 And she's like the idea of, like, new money. 1.00

01:17:50.600 She probably is looked down upon, but she got more money than all these motherfuckers. 1.00

01:17:54.580 So in America, we don't really like that. 0.99

01:17:57.320 Like, there's, like, these legacy families that you've heard the names, you know, the

01:18:01.060 Kennedys, the Vanderbills, the Rockefellers.

01:18:02.800 Like, they're almost broke.

01:18:04.700 Like, none of them are making any money now.

01:18:06.600 Like, they had.

01:18:08.020 And so, like, your name lasts a little bit, but eventually, you know, like, what are you

01:18:13.840 doing for me?

01:18:15.240 Yeah.

01:18:15.500 What are you doing for me?

01:18:16.020 You get, like, a few generations, and then, this is America, baby. 0.90

01:18:19.140 We don't really go f***ing. 0.91

01:18:20.500 Yeah.

01:18:20.920 You know what I'm saying?

01:18:21.360 Whereas, like, they would just maintain their estates in Britain for, like, the next 300

01:18:25.260 years.

01:18:25.840 Yeah.

01:18:26.000 And use the example of the orange car.

01:18:30.800 So we've got Premier League soccer in the UK, and for most young working class boys, that's

01:18:37.020 their dream, because that's how you make a lot of money, plus you play soccer, which

01:18:39.980 is awesome, blah, blah, blah.

01:18:41.640 And then you see these kids who are earning an astronomical amount of money at the age

01:18:46.760 of 20, and they buy an orange Lambo.

01:18:49.320 And then you get all these fat people who are, like, our age older going, I can't believe

01:18:53.360 they've done this.

01:18:54.120 I'm like, you can't believe a 20-year-old dude who grew up in a project, has got money,

01:18:59.040 bought an orange Lamborghini?

01:19:00.580 Yeah.

01:19:00.900 That's what we'd all do.

01:19:02.160 Yeah.

01:19:02.520 That's what every single one of us would do.

01:19:04.940 Yeah.

01:19:05.580 Yeah, exactly.

01:19:06.740 You know?

01:19:07.140 Because that's the dream when you're that age.

01:19:09.100 If you've got money...

01:19:10.520 This is why we created a country.

01:19:12.860 I think you guys need to tap into what's happening here.

01:19:15.060 I think you're realizing why America exists.

01:19:17.360 You know, I realize why America exists.

01:19:19.400 Andrew, on that subject, we'll wrap up with this.

01:19:21.300 Are you happy that your success came a little bit later in life?

01:19:25.920 I don't know if it's happy.

01:19:29.220 I'm happy that I got to experience, like, getting some success and then, like, losing it.

01:19:35.400 Wait, when did you lose it?

01:19:37.720 Okay.

01:19:38.000 This is, like, a tricky way of looking at success, but, like, maybe get some success.

01:19:44.420 Early on, I was, like, on these, like, MTV shows.

01:19:46.880 They were called, like, Guy Code and all these things.

01:19:48.820 It was outside of, like, it wasn't stand-up, but it was, like, comedy type of TV shows.

01:19:52.740 And then that ended, and then I was doing the podcast with Charlamagne Tha God, which ended up being, like, the most fruitful thing that I've ever done in my entire life in terms of, like, building an audience, deep connectivity.

01:20:04.360 It told me, it taught me, like, what the internet really was and let me know that there was, like, an appetite for comedy on the internet.

01:20:10.520 It informed the rest of my career.

01:20:12.640 But in terms of, like, perceived success, like, from going on, from being on every TV show on MTV to then doing the pod, it was, like, getting recognized in the street went away.

01:20:26.080 Not away, but, like, not, it wasn't like it was.

01:20:28.940 You know what I mean?

01:20:30.060 So, did you experience that as a setback then?

01:20:33.060 So, I just, I didn't because I was able to do the thing I love, which was stand-up.

01:20:39.540 I was able to support myself.

01:20:41.080 And I was, like, building this really cool thing with my friend.

01:20:44.940 And so, to me, I didn't see it as, like, a setback, per se, because I was, like, oh, I'm getting funnier and this show is, like, really growing.

01:20:51.660 And, like, but I noticed a difference in, like, people interacting with me, right?

01:20:58.180 And also, like, I got to be, I noticed a difference with, like, people just interacting with me, like, with Charlamagne.

01:21:02.680 He was, like, on a rocket ship, right?

01:21:05.260 So, people coming on the show and, like, just not caring at all, like, what I had to say.

01:21:11.480 And being, like, okay, I got to, I, listen, they're here because of who he is. 0.99

01:21:17.540 Like, this guy's a fucking superstar. 0.99

01:21:19.520 You don't have to have an ego about that. 1.00

01:21:21.020 Like, learn how to operate and score within this system.

01:21:24.400 If you're on team with Jordan, you're not going to get the ball as much as Jordan.

01:21:27.500 But how can you affect the game?

01:21:28.820 And you need to hit the open jump shot.

01:21:30.140 You need to hit it every single time.

01:21:31.660 So, just kind of, like, learning how to do that, observing him and, like, trying to soak up as much game.

01:21:37.000 But I felt that kind of difference.

01:21:40.720 Weirdly, like, I was still selling tickets and stuff on the road because I had the pod.

01:21:44.980 But there was a different, like, perceived success.

01:21:47.280 So, I got to kind of have, like, without it and then go through it again.

01:21:51.920 And that was really helpful because it was like I got to do it twice.

01:21:56.020 So, I understood what the mechanisms of it were.

01:22:00.240 Like, how it made me feel emotionally and how I could operate within it.

01:22:04.600 I've never tried.

01:22:05.460 I never wanted to be, like, famous.

01:22:06.760 I wanted to be incredibly successful at stand-up.

01:22:09.400 So, I tried to, like, figure out how to do that.

01:22:12.040 Never figured out, like, fame.

01:22:14.440 And, like, I'm kind of learning that now.

01:22:17.300 And that is something, like, you got to be offensive with fame.

01:22:23.300 I didn't realize this.

01:22:24.220 Like, not offensive in terms of, like, offend people.

01:22:26.820 But, like, you got to play offense.

01:22:29.380 I didn't get it.

01:22:30.820 But, like, once your name is click-worthy, there will be people that are just making views, videos,

01:22:36.860 because it will get views simply because it's about you or has your name in it.

01:22:40.840 And they'll make money on that.

01:22:42.140 And then once other people see that there's views in it, other people also make videos. 0.99

01:22:45.820 And then, like, I didn't even, in my mind, I was like, well, I'll just keep putting out fire shit. 0.99

01:22:50.320 And that's all that matters. 0.98

01:22:51.460 It's just, like, actually, you have to find a way to navigate all these things.

01:22:58.320 You know, Joe has one strategy. 0.99

01:22:59.440 He just doesn't acknowledge any of that shit. 1.00

01:23:01.760 Mm-hmm. 1.00

01:23:02.780 Some people acknowledge maybe too much.

01:23:04.920 Finding out what to acknowledge and what not to acknowledge.

01:23:07.720 But, like, it's a different part of, like, once the last special came out and everything was kind of cool and, you know, successful.

01:23:15.500 Like, I kind of took a break.

01:23:17.600 I, like, I kind of just did my pod.

01:23:20.040 And from doing this press run and, like, doing a bunch of shows, I realized the importance of going on other people's pods.

01:23:27.320 Like, you can create a diverse group of guests for your podcast.

01:23:30.680 And the only people that that will matter to are the people who already know who you are.

01:23:34.260 When you go to other people's plays and you're, like, interrogated, and I mean that in a good way.

01:23:42.220 Mm-hmm.

01:23:42.580 And the people who don't like you find out who you really are. 0.99

01:23:47.620 And then they go, oh, shit, these guys are, like, reasonable dudes. 0.98

01:23:51.740 And, like, oh, this is actually really smart and thoughtful. 1.00

01:23:55.020 And, like, he's a dad.

01:23:55.720 He, like, really loves his kid.

01:23:56.960 And he's not, like, some headliner soundbite that I see on the internet.

01:24:00.660 And then I create an idea about him based on that.

01:24:03.680 They're, like, fully formed human beings.

01:24:05.720 I didn't realize the importance of that. 1.00

01:24:07.540 And I think now it's, like, I need to go on my biggest detractor's show as long as they're not, like, some fucking retard. 1.00

01:24:15.240 But, like, they might have an idea of me that's not fully formed. 0.97

01:24:20.300 And then from us sitting down, I might go, yeah, I really like this guy.

01:24:24.120 He's got some, like, good ideas.

01:24:25.420 And that person might go, oh, wow, he's not as I thought he was.

01:24:29.280 And the only way that happens is if we're having these conversations outside of our podcasts.

01:24:34.880 Yeah, that's one little thing I learned from this one.

01:24:39.680 I'm sure there's, like, a million more to do.

01:24:41.800 But it's one thing I recommend even for you guys as you guys continue to skyrocket.

01:24:45.980 It's, like, who can you have conversations with that are going to be hard?

01:24:51.700 You know, and you can have them on yours.

01:24:53.360 But that's going to be positioned away because people are just going to read the headline.

01:24:56.180 But, like, how you go into their home and let them push back on ideas you have.

01:25:01.760 And then your ideas get even sharper.

01:25:03.220 Investing is all about the future.

01:25:05.840 So what do you think is going to happen?

01:25:07.860 Bitcoin is sort of inevitable at this point.

01:25:10.360 I think it would come down to precious metals.

01:25:12.940 I hope we don't go cashless.

01:25:15.040 I would say land is a safe investment.

01:25:17.640 Technology, companies.

01:25:18.780 Solar energy.

01:25:19.780 Robotic pollinators might be a thing. 1.00

01:25:22.380 A wrestler to face a robot.

01:25:24.080 That will have to happen.

01:25:25.700 So whatever you think is going to happen in the future, you can invest in it at Wealthsimple.

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01:25:34.060 I love doing that.

01:25:35.040 It's one of the reasons I do a lot of stuff that's not in, not with people who agree with me.

01:25:39.760 I think it's great.

01:25:40.640 It's great.

01:25:40.920 It's awesome.

01:25:41.840 Before Andrew answers the final question at the end of the interview, make sure to head over to our sub stack.

01:25:46.780 The link is in the description where you'll be able to see this.

01:25:50.100 What is a joke you thought would kill, but completely bombed?

01:25:54.400 If podcasting had existed at this level 20 years ago, which old school comics do you think would have killed it the most in the format?

01:26:01.640 I heard that you consider Seinfeld to be overrated. 0.96

01:26:04.380 Are you insane? 1.00

01:26:05.660 Andrew. 1.00

01:26:06.140 Yeah.

01:26:06.500 It's been awesome having you on, man.

01:26:07.620 Thanks so much, guys.

01:26:08.320 Before we go to sub stack and ask you questions from our viewers.

01:26:11.320 Sure.

01:26:11.800 And listeners.

01:26:12.320 What's the one thing we're not talking about that we should be right now?

01:26:19.220 One thing we're not talking about that we should be right now.

01:26:25.080 Wow.

01:26:25.580 That's a good.

01:26:28.540 You know what?

01:26:29.320 I.

01:26:31.660 For as big as like the story about anti-Semitism and like Jews and how big it is on Twitter.

01:26:39.140 Like even with Joe's episode with I think Ian Carroll.

01:26:43.640 Was that a name?

01:26:44.360 Ian Carroll?

01:26:44.800 Yeah.

01:26:45.060 Oh, no, no.

01:26:45.420 Daryl Cooper was the other one.

01:26:48.220 Like for as big as the talk was about that.

01:26:52.120 And Joe's the biggest pot in the world.

01:26:54.660 Like I would think it would be like Kanye numbers for the episode.

01:26:59.480 You know, I would think it'd be like Elon level numbers for the episode.

01:27:02.260 But it wasn't that big an episode.

01:27:05.620 I mean, for our standards, it's huge.

01:27:07.200 But like for Joe's standards.

01:27:09.640 So what I would, what I'm curious about, what nobody's talking about is like, what are people thinking?

01:27:15.520 Like, I actually think this is quite a small group of people that are talking about this on the Internet and talking about Twitter and making it seem like everybody cares about it.

01:27:25.040 But I don't know if the numbers show that.

01:27:28.280 What did he get?

01:27:29.080 700K?

01:27:29.620 Something like that.

01:27:30.540 Which for Joe is not high at all because he's so successful.

01:27:33.040 I did it a week earlier or a few days before.

01:27:35.660 I think mine is at like 2.2.

01:27:37.800 We're usually 1.6, 1.5, something like that.

01:27:40.140 So it's like, but the talk comparatively is like.

01:27:46.140 Probably half of those views of people have watched, hate watching that as well.

01:27:49.360 But so, so, so think about that.

01:27:50.980 Like, so the way I would digest this is like, wait a minute, is this?

01:27:54.180 Are you saying Twitter is not real life?

01:27:55.580 No, of course, that, absolutely.

01:27:59.220 But it's, it's more about like, one thing I would say to Jews is like, as big as it seems on Twitter, it's not actually reflective over the general population.

01:28:08.080 Like, they aren't as consumed by this as it looks like they are on Twitter, right?

01:28:12.840 So that's one thing that we know, like, for a fact, data-wise, I know we talk about feelings, but like, and I don't want to like talk you out of your feelings, but maybe that's one thing that makes you feel a little bit more comfortable.

01:28:21.400 Like, there's a group of people that are on this platform that are really engaging with content and then creating content around it.

01:28:28.520 But in terms of like, overall interest in it, it doesn't seem like it is there as much as just some comedian that's going on, Joe, and having a conversation.

01:28:38.340 So that's comforting to me a little bit.

01:28:40.680 Like, if it was getting 40 million views, I'd be like, uh-oh, no bueno.

01:28:43.620 Like, I would imagine like, Candace talking about Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively got way more traction than her talking about his room.

01:28:53.640 I don't know, but I guarantee, like, I had my wife going, have you watched Candace Owens' thing on Justin Baldoni and Blake?

01:29:01.120 Like, what?

01:29:01.820 Like, she was like, this is unbelievable.

01:29:04.000 You know, so it's like, so we can put that thing in perspective there.

01:29:11.440 So if they aren't concerned about this, right?

01:29:13.880 If it's not the lightning rod hot button topic, what is and what are people consuming and what is that thing that we really need to tap into?

01:29:26.560 Like, I don't, I'm not sure right now, but like, there's usually, there's usually a pull in a certain direction.

01:29:35.240 When it was Trump for the election, it was obviously Trump, right?

01:29:37.920 It was like, is this going to happen?

01:29:39.220 What's going to happen?

01:29:40.760 A few weeks ago, it was definitely like Elon and his involvement in government.

01:29:44.760 That's kind of like moving away.

01:29:46.440 And now we're just kind of like sitting here.

01:29:49.060 And I don't know.

01:29:50.920 It's rare that I don't know.

01:29:52.840 Like, usually this is what I'm good at. 1.00

01:29:54.200 He's a humble motherfucker. 0.99

01:29:55.060 I'm very, very humble. 1.00

01:29:58.680 No, but like, this is usually what I can tap into.

01:30:01.000 And even now, I was shocked when I went to go watch the episode.

01:30:05.000 And I was like, hmm.

01:30:06.880 If I go on Twitter, it's the only conversation I see on Twitter.

01:30:10.480 I'm going to go overseas and I was like, huh.

01:30:11.800 This is like.

01:30:12.880 Well, this is the thing with the Twitter algorithm.

01:30:16.360 Sorry, let me take that back. 0.99

01:30:17.460 It's the thing with social media algorithms, which is the crazy shit is what gets the attention. 0.99

01:30:23.960 Yes. 0.99

01:30:25.060 And maybe the thing we should be talking about is, is that good?

01:30:29.440 And do we want to carry that on?

01:30:31.300 Well, I think the conversation, here's a good conversation.

01:30:33.380 How many people are letting the algorithm decide their, their opinions and how they create? 0.95

01:30:42.300 I think that's a very important, like, there's a lot of people that are like spouting off about shit on different platforms that they might not even be aware. 0.93

01:30:51.540 That's not even their opinion. 0.98

01:30:55.000 They're desperate for attention.

01:30:57.320 They created a video about a thing.

01:30:59.600 Randomly, it gets a lot of views.

01:31:00.840 They start going, oh, maybe this is what I'm made to talk about. 0.78

01:31:06.080 It's like, no, dummy.

01:31:06.920 That's what the algorithm told you to make.

01:31:08.580 And now you just, you were a slave to the algorithm. 0.93

01:31:12.200 And it's like one thing I talk with my guys about, which is like, we're not stupid.

01:31:17.240 We know how to just make every episode get a certain amount of things, but then it wouldn't be authentic.

01:31:22.600 And what's the point of creating online if we're not going to have an authentic opinion?

01:31:26.480 Like, just get a job, CNN, Fox, someplace, and just have the opinion of the corporation.

01:31:32.340 The cost of that is some episodes aren't going to do as well as other episodes.

01:31:38.120 And that's just the cost you have to pay for.

01:31:41.540 Some people aren't willing to pay it.

01:31:43.380 You start getting ad deals and you have to deliver this many views.

01:31:46.400 And then the ad company's going, hey, why didn't that episode hit?

01:31:49.240 And you have to tell them, well, because we want to have authentic conversations.

01:31:53.680 And in order to do that, some aren't going to go that crazy.

01:31:56.880 And some are going to go insane.

01:31:59.700 But I think there's a lot of creation that is algorithm dependent.

01:32:06.900 And we're like taking people's advice that don't even believe what they're saying.

01:32:13.840 You know what I mean?

01:32:14.940 Yeah, exactly.

01:32:15.380 That's what you mean.

01:32:16.160 It comes back to what we were talking in the episode about, which is it's just business.

01:32:19.720 Yeah.

01:32:19.960 There are a lot of people for whom media is just business. 0.99

01:32:22.660 And they will say whatever the fuck. 0.99

01:32:23.840 Yeah. 0.99

01:32:24.520 There's a lot of people when Israel-Palestine started that got some views off it.

01:32:28.860 And then that's become their whole identity.

01:32:30.500 Yeah.

01:32:30.800 Never talked about it once.

01:32:32.600 They've been in media for decades.

01:32:34.680 Never talked about it once.

01:32:37.100 Million views on a video.

01:32:38.360 That is who I am.

01:32:40.460 Now, I'm not saying you shouldn't talk about it.

01:32:41.800 If you are in media and you're talking about what's happening in the world, you absolutely

01:32:44.640 should talk about this 100%.

01:32:46.040 But how much is it like an algorithm chase?

01:32:51.340 That's, I would be, and then if you are somebody who's deeply affected by what's happening in

01:32:57.300 Israel-Palestine, I would also be wary of all the people that you support that are supporting 0.90

01:33:01.720 you because that support might go away once those views go away.

01:33:05.620 Oh, absolutely.

01:33:07.020 And you see that before Israel-Palestine.

01:33:09.060 It was, you know, the trans, where, the trans debate, where if you wanted a million views,

01:33:13.520 you just got, you know, someone would come on, say men can't be women.

01:33:17.560 And what a great time that was for chicken omni.

01:33:19.180 Yeah, it was.

01:33:20.060 That's how we built the platform.

01:33:22.660 It was.

01:33:23.380 It was beautiful.

01:33:24.160 Thanks for coming on, man.

01:33:25.120 Cheers, guys.

01:33:25.480 Head on over to Substack.

01:33:26.620 We're going to ask Andrew your questions.

01:33:28.680 See you there.

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TRIGGERnometry - April 20, 2025

Andrew Schulz - Comedy, the American Dream and Whores

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