TRIGGERnometry - Are We Being Told the Truth About COVID-19？｜ Prof. Sucharit Bhakdi

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to trigonometry i'm francis foster i'm constantin kissin and this is a show

00:00:11.140 for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people a very special guest we have

00:00:17.040 for you today is the former chair of medical microbiology at the university of mines dr

00:00:22.620 suchara bhagdi welcome to trigonometry hello thank you so much for coming on the show we really look

00:00:28.900 forward to talking with you about your thoughts on the coronavirus lockdowns uh your book obviously

00:00:34.940 which which you've written with your wife about it but before we get into that tell us uh for our

00:00:41.020 viewers who may not be familiar with you particularly in this country uh because you're based in

00:00:44.840 germany uh what is your history through life who are you how are you where you are what is your

00:00:50.500 expertise and and how are you qualified to talk about these issues well i don't want to talk so

00:00:57.840 much about myself, but I am a born Thai. My parents were in the USA when I was born. That

00:01:08.260 was just after the end of the World War. And my father was a diplomat. And as he was sort

00:01:19.840 of moving around the world as I have been.

00:01:24.440 So I went to school in Switzerland, then in Egypt, went to the English school in Egypt,

00:01:31.660 Helopolis, and then to the American College in Cairo.

00:01:36.800 Then I moved to Thailand for two years.

00:01:40.040 And finally, after finishing school in Thailand, I went to Germany to study medicine.

00:01:45.440 That was a long time ago.

00:01:46.680 And I graduated from Bonn, the University of Bonn, and virtually, well, after a few years, I went into science and became a laboratory scientist combined with clinical work.

00:02:02.680 So I worked in medical microbiology and infectious diseases all my life, actually.

00:02:09.460 I started doing research, when was that?

00:02:14.240 My God, 20, 50 years ago, almost 50 years ago.

00:02:19.400 And yeah, went through the different stages, became professor of microbiology and was called

00:02:26.580 to the chair of the Department of Medical Microbiology at the University of Mainz.

00:02:32.680 was 30 years ago gosh yes 30 years ago we're making you feel very very old today that's the

00:02:39.480 whole point of this interview yes and I retired eight years ago so you know so you look you've

00:02:47.760 had this long distinguished career you've studied medicine you retire in 2012 it's eight years later

00:02:54.540 and now you write a very controversial book why aren't you just enjoying life why did you feel

00:03:01.560 the need to to speak out about what you feel is the problem with how we're measuring coronavirus

00:03:08.420 cases how we're responding to the virus and many other issues that you you take issue with well you

00:03:14.140 know um i and my wife are not doing this for fun uh we in march when the first lockdown was

00:03:25.260 looming sort of uh we thought this is weird the situation there's something wrong about the whole

00:03:32.300 business the whole story because um uh it's it's out of this world it cannot be true

00:03:41.240 why not why do you say that every government in the world seemingly has accepted this idea

00:03:48.120 that lockdowns are the way to deal with this why isn't it the right solution exactly that's

00:03:55.140 what we couldn't understand and that's why we started making these videos trying to reach out

00:04:03.420 to the public to to everyone in the social media since the mainstream media were certainly going

00:04:11.880 the other way uh dragging everyone uh what is it like the pied piper you know people following

00:04:22.440 the tone of the Piper, but it wasn't the rats anymore.

00:04:27.040 It was the population all around the world, and we couldn't believe it.

00:04:32.860 So we stood up and said, people, now, why do you believe everything you're being told?

00:04:40.000 Why don't you sit down and read and think a bit?

00:04:44.260 Because if you did that, you would very quickly realize that there's something very, very fishy

00:04:51.400 going on.

00:04:52.440 You started, you know, with the definition of what is COVID-19.

00:05:00.880 Originally, COVID-19 was defined as the severe illness caused by a virus named SARS-CoV-2.

00:05:10.620 It was so complicated that no normal person could understand what was going on.

00:05:17.400 And that was the beginning of the end, because then, you know, this PCR test came out and became the gold standard for diagnosing COVID-19.

00:05:33.640 Now, anyone who studied, you know, infectious diseases knows that the PCR test cannot be used to diagnose anything.

00:05:43.000 A PCR test is a lab test that may be used to support a diagnosis.

00:05:50.500 So if you think someone is ill, has fever, is coughing, and is short of breath,

00:05:58.840 then it's quite legitimate to do a PCR test to try to find the gene of that virus that you're looking for.

00:06:06.720 And if you find it, or parts of the gene, because a PCR test only looks at parts of the virus genome, very small parts, then it's okay.

00:06:17.120 Then you say, all right, this would confirm the clinical diagnosis.

00:06:22.300 But a real doctor doesn't go around testing people with a test that has never been put on the market for use to diagnose a disease.

00:06:39.280 It's only there to see whether you have parts of this virus genome, you know, sitting around in your throat or your nose.

00:06:48.020 And then the terrible thing was that whenever this PCR test was positive, that person or patient was labeled COVID-19 case.

00:07:10.300 But COVID-19 is the term used for the disease.

00:07:14.480 And that's where everything really started getting crazy, because this virus, second thing, this virus was termed a new virus and COVID-19 was termed a new disease.

00:07:30.360 But in fact, neither the virus is really new, nor is the disease really new, because the coronaviruses have been with us, with man, since the beginning of mankind.

00:07:41.780 You know, these are viruses that coexist with us.

00:07:51.180 And so every year and every few months, a virus will change a little bit because they mutate all the time.

00:08:00.280 They have to mutate, otherwise they can't keep on, you know, going back and forth between you and me and animals or whatever you want.

00:08:10.220 So it's a completely normal thing that these viruses, which are the most successful viruses in the world, together with the flu viruses, by the way, because they manage to keep the host alive.

00:08:25.980 They don't kill the host.

00:08:27.120 They don't want to kill us.

00:08:28.340 They want to come and visit me.

00:08:30.040 And then they want to go and visit the next guy, you know.

00:08:34.580 And in order to be able to do this, they change very little all the time.

00:08:40.220 so that when they come back next year, they can come and visit me again.

00:08:44.760 Otherwise, my immune system, you know, would not allow their entry at all.

00:08:50.420 You see, this is something that people don't really understand.

00:08:53.980 So when we started reading up to see what's going on,

00:08:58.540 we realized that no one knew about this.

00:09:01.580 So we tried to tell people, you know, a positive PCR does not mean that you are infected.

00:09:08.360 it could mean that, A, you were infected,

00:09:13.120 and now they're just pieces of the genome lying in your throat,

00:09:18.880 and you take a swab and take it out,

00:09:22.040 and then this PCR machine, you know, multiplies that genome.

00:09:29.220 So the number of cycles will tell you how many times

00:09:36.260 this genome has been multiplied

00:09:38.380 it's like you know sort of

00:09:39.660 an alcohol breath test

00:09:42.240 breath test, you drink

00:09:44.080 one mil of vodka

00:09:46.020 you're not drunk but if you

00:09:48.160 drink a hundred you are drunk

00:09:50.060 so you get caught in the police

00:09:52.380 control and you do this breath

00:09:54.240 test and

00:09:55.880 you

00:09:56.960 only drunk one milliliter

00:10:00.520 so the police

00:10:02.260 say okay keep on going

00:10:04.360 we see that you did drink a bit

00:10:05.960 But you drank so little that you didn't reach the red mark.

00:10:13.980 Finally, you've put it into language Francis can understand, Dr. Bhatti.

00:10:17.640 Thank you for that.

00:10:19.060 Yeah.

00:10:19.540 So the PCR machine actually tells you, you know, the number of cycles,

00:10:25.880 the cycle thresholds that it went through until the test was deemed positive.

00:10:35.380 But the cycle threshold has never been standardized, you know.

00:10:41.000 So, in fact, when the PCR machine says you're positive,

00:10:47.980 it might have just measured one mil of the vodka, you know, 0.05.

00:10:53.900 But you're still tested positive.

00:10:56.340 Now, while the police say, OK, keep on driving,

00:11:00.180 your politicians now say you're going to quarantine.

00:11:03.680 But, Dr. Bhakti, I want to ask you a question. So you say there's something fishy going on. Could you expand? What do you mean by that?

00:11:12.960 It means that the way of, first of all, diagnosing this disease, COVID-19, is at variance with everything that anyone learns in infectious diseases.

00:11:28.660 You're using a lab test to make a very serious diagnosis, all right?

00:11:33.900 Now, as I said, this PCR test will light up if you have 0.05 per miller in your blood of alcohol.

00:11:48.800 This is the same thing.

00:11:51.240 And yet you're deemed to be COVID-19 case.

00:11:56.720 It means that you have a serious disease and you enter the records as a COVID-19 case.

00:12:03.820 So to put it in very simple language for people listening, what you're really saying is the PCR test is likely to massively exaggerate the number of people who are actually suffering symptoms of COVID-19.

00:12:15.520 Oh, yes, horribly. I mean, so much that it's criminal to say that these are COVID-19 cases because everyone in the world believes, oh, my God, you know, now we have we've had 250,000 COVID-19 cases in Germany.

00:12:33.040 But in fact, you probably have had, I won't be able even to estimate, I can tell you that probably, and we've had 10,000 COVID-19 deaths.

00:12:46.640 But of these 10,000 COVID-19 deaths, 90% were deaths due to other causes, like heart attack or stroke or whatever.

00:12:56.300 it's just that they happen to test positive for this damn virus with a pcr test that lights up the

00:13:03.600 moment uh the moment bits and pieces of this virus or another virus that is related to this virus 0.97

00:13:10.760 has gotten into your throat you know so dr bhakti if this is the case right and of course

00:13:17.680 i trust what you're saying then why is it we're going into lockdown because you can't be the only

00:13:23.840 person to think this i'm sure there's great swathes in the medical profession that do

00:13:28.320 well uh to our great relief the foremost world's foremost epidemiologist professor john joan edis

00:13:40.260 of stanford actually published a paper uh that was back three weeks ago and this paper

00:13:49.720 is peer reviewed. It means that it's been seen

00:13:54.180 by three to four experts, leading experts in the field

00:13:58.240 and the WHO put this paper

00:14:02.340 on its bulletin, which means the WHO

00:14:04.980 accepts that this is the correct data.

00:14:09.180 And you go and read that paper

00:14:12.620 because John Ioannidis said what we

00:14:17.100 said months ago that this virus is no more deadly than a seasonal flu. And for people

00:14:26.840 under 70, it is even less deadly than the seasonal flu. If you are under 70, your chances

00:14:36.580 of dying with or because of this virus are less than 0.1%, all right? In fact, they are

00:14:48.160 about 0.05%. This means that 5 out of 10,000 infected people may die because of the virus.

00:15:00.300 Five out of 10,000.

00:15:02.660 This is so little that there's no reason to do anything.

00:15:11.740 Not only the lockdown is nonsense.

00:15:13.840 Everything else is nonsense.

00:15:15.440 Everything.

00:15:16.460 And this is published.

00:15:19.160 Everyone who's watching now should stop and think for a moment.

00:15:25.660 Anyone can look at this paper.

00:15:27.440 anyone can look at the bulletin of WHO and should

00:15:32.020 and then they should come back and say

00:15:35.780 listen, since it is now internationally

00:15:39.860 accepted that this virus is not the killer virus that one

00:15:43.920 thought it was and now since the pandemic

00:15:47.980 has actually come to an end, the epidemic

00:15:51.820 does not exist in Europe, it does not

00:15:55.920 exist in America. The number of cases and fatalities have almost gone down to zero.

00:16:04.440 Anyone who says that anything is being done for any scientific reason is lying.

00:16:17.300 Dr. Bakhti, I mean, this is a very scary moment for me listening to you because I think you make

00:16:22.540 a persuasive case. We've established that you're a medical professional who has, as I said, an

00:16:28.540 established career. But at the same time, I'm hearing you talk about this and I'm going, well,

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00:18:17.180 That's what we wrote in the book, and in that book, the last sentences of that book took us a long time to write, because we put everything we had in our soul into these words, that it is time has come for homo sapiens to stand up.

00:18:44.320 and start becoming humans again.

00:18:50.920 This scare, this global panic has caused man to lose reason,

00:18:57.640 to stop thinking and to follow the Pied Piper's call.

00:19:05.940 And we are being led to a downfall.

00:19:12.080 This is the downfall of civilization.

00:19:14.320 Yes. And if we do not, if you do not stand up, take those masks off your face.

00:19:25.380 Grasp each other's hands again. No more social distancing.

00:19:30.400 What absolute, pure, utter nonsense because of a virus that has been with us since the beginning of mankind.

00:19:38.700 and start singing.

00:19:43.720 The sound of the human voice is the only thing

00:19:47.720 that is going to put this Pied Piper's madness, 1.00

00:19:55.140 halt this Pied Piper's madness. 1.00

00:19:57.520 So, and then what you do is you go back to your homes,

00:20:01.240 go back to your homes. 0.99

00:20:02.160 You have been living in such a beautiful country.

00:20:07.340 We have too.

00:20:08.700 If you leave your beautiful homes, you can be sure someone else is going to move in there.

00:20:15.280 So go back to your homes and go back to the old reality, not any new reality.

00:20:22.060 We don't need any new reality.

00:20:24.940 You know, the standard of our health care system is so good compared to countless other places in the world.

00:20:38.580 Africa, Thailand, Asia, you've been doing very, very well.

00:20:43.400 Of course, there's been flaws and shortcomings here and there and everywhere.

00:20:51.320 But on the whole, we've been doing very, very well on this continent in Europe.

00:21:00.940 Life expectancy has been going up and up and up.

00:21:03.720 and now it's going to go down because the health care system is falling to bits.

00:21:11.180 You and we are not taking care of the people who need the care anymore

00:21:15.360 because all we're doing is hysterically responding to a spook call.

00:21:22.660 And you say, Dr. Bhakti, we're not taking care of the people that we need to take care of.

00:21:27.540 Could you expand upon that? Who are the people that we need to take care of?

00:21:31.100 Well, the people who are really seriously ill, the people who are demented, need care, support, love.

00:21:43.860 You know, I heard that dementia was the major comorbidity in Ireland.

00:21:54.620 I heard this a few days ago.

00:21:57.080 second then to things like heart attack stroke cancer it's the same in the uk same in the uk

00:22:06.360 it's because these people are not being taken care of anymore you know where the health care

00:22:11.200 workers they may be in quarantine right because if someone tests positive off they go two weeks

00:22:19.440 bye bye and then you say oh no we have no one to take care of you know and then they die all alone

00:22:26.680 because no one is allowed to visit them.

00:22:29.000 No, this is inhuman.

00:22:30.840 It's inhuman, I tell you.

00:22:33.000 I can tell you that my mother-in-law almost died because of this mask.

00:22:38.220 She has cancer, terminal cancer.

00:22:40.740 And she was forced to wear a mask to go shopping. 0.62

00:22:46.260 And she broke down in the middle of the supermarket

00:22:48.660 because someone with cancer is short of breath.

00:22:54.220 Her lung function was not good anymore.

00:22:56.320 and they're still made to wear this mask

00:22:58.400 by the way just as

00:23:00.520 the children in Bavaria

00:23:02.500 who go to school

00:23:04.180 are forced to wear these masks

00:23:06.040 which are known to be very

00:23:08.340 very harmful to them

00:23:09.500 they're being treated worse than

00:23:12.260 animals

00:23:12.860 you know in Germany

00:23:15.640 I think in England too

00:23:17.620 there's an animal protection

00:23:20.520 law, I don't know whether you have this

00:23:22.300 but the Germans 0.66

00:23:23.700 have an animal protection which is

00:23:25.840 really, really. The first paragraph is, no one may cause suffering to an animal without

00:23:36.920 reason. Suffering mean suffering in any way, physical suffering, whatever. All right. Now,

00:23:48.840 Now, people are going around making our children suffer,

00:23:55.340 and the elderly, with their ailments, they suffer.

00:23:59.720 They suffer horribly, but you're allowed to do so.

00:24:04.220 The government passes a rule, not a rule, but they're going to pass a law,

00:24:11.800 and shorten your life.

00:24:14.020 You know, I also am not allowed to wear a mask because I am elderly, I'm 74, and I have a sort of borderline blood pressure.

00:24:27.060 You know, when I wear a mask, the CO2 behind the mask goes up, my pulse goes up, and my blood pressure goes up.

00:24:34.220 So very rightly, I will not wear a mask because it shortens my life expectancy.

00:24:40.120 All right. Am I talking so that everyone understands? Because if you do ask yourself, are you also a borderline case of high blood pressure? Millions of British are. Millions of Germans are. And when they put on their masks, they are shortening their lives. Okay. 0.61

00:25:01.220 You've brought up the issue of masks.

00:25:03.860 What is your position on masks?

00:25:06.160 Do they prevent the spread of this virus,

00:25:08.480 which you've described as being similar to the flu in terms of its deadliness?

00:25:13.580 Of course, they do nothing of the sort.

00:25:17.880 Mask wearing in public has never been shown to do anything except bad things.

00:25:24.880 Nothing.

00:25:25.820 Now, in the case of corona, the case is clear as the sun is shining at the moment.

00:25:35.560 You know, what is the one thought behind all this mask wearing in public, in normal public?

00:25:46.660 I'm not talking about nursing homes, I'm not talking about hospitals, of course.

00:25:50.800 That's a completely different issue.

00:25:52.360 So, if the next room were the homes of the elderly with pre-existing illnesses who have to be protected, there's nothing to be said against wearing masks to protect them in the nursing homes, in the hospitals, or whatever.

00:26:13.900 I'm just talking about this room, which is the public, okay?

00:26:18.700 what are the thoughts behind you know all this the thought is that you who are not ill and i who

00:26:30.400 am not ill may be spreading the virus without knowing so i may be spreading if we were in the

00:26:39.240 same room to you. And then you would get COVID-19, which is the illness. All right. Now, listen very,

00:26:51.360 very carefully. There has been one single publication in the literature, in the world

00:27:01.280 literature that makes it probable that if I have contacted that virus and I'm going to be ill in

00:27:12.500 two or three days, that in this short term, before I start coughing, okay, I may in fact

00:27:22.600 give the virus to another person, all right?

00:27:27.160 But that publication very clearly showed

00:27:31.640 that this is a very rare event.

00:27:35.060 It occurs rarely.

00:27:38.260 And more important still, when it occurs,

00:27:42.960 a fellow who gets the virus from me

00:27:46.280 will never, ever get COVID-19,

00:27:50.380 never ever get the serious illness.

00:27:53.860 He may have a cough

00:27:55.040 or he may not be ill at all.

00:28:00.780 He'll just get the virus

00:28:02.100 and have the virus in his body for a few days

00:28:04.560 and that will be bye-bye virus.

00:28:06.860 All right?

00:28:07.980 So it has never been shown at all

00:28:11.620 that pre-symptomatic people 0.77

00:28:14.280 will cause the disease in others.

00:28:18.900 am i being clear you're being very clear also very scary yeah have been given everything that's

00:28:26.400 happening but let me pick up on a one last thing what the question is why and this is this is where

00:28:32.240 i i have to speak my heart because people have to understand this all right the pcr test you 0.99

00:28:40.740 stick this stupid swab down into the throat or nose, 0.99

00:28:46.520 pull it out and put it in the machine. 1.00

00:28:48.720 And I told you, this machine is not calibrated in any way

00:28:53.160 to say there's enough virus to cause disease, okay,

00:29:00.260 in the first place.

00:29:02.560 In the second place, what you don't realize is that the concentration,

00:29:07.760 the dose of virus that is sticking in your throat,

00:29:10.740 is at least 1,000 times higher than the stuff that comes out of your mouth

00:29:16.440 when you start speaking.

00:29:18.980 Even if you have a cough, and this has been shown for another coronavirus,

00:29:24.900 the concentration of the coronavirus that comes out, the dose,

00:29:29.240 is at least 1,000 times lower than what you have there.

00:29:33.380 This means that if you cough the virus into another person's nose,

00:29:40.740 The dose that he's getting is very, very low.

00:29:44.980 Now, I don't know whether you can understand this, people without, you know, any basic training or schooling in infectious diseases. 0.97

00:29:54.660 But there is such a thing as the infectious dose that has to be met until you contact the disease.

00:30:02.960 And there's another thing for viruses like corona and flu.

00:30:08.380 The more virus you breathe in, the more seriously ill you get.

00:30:16.800 Okay, it's a matter of dose.

00:30:18.020 The more vodka you drink, the drunker you get.

00:30:21.320 But that is the reason why someone who does not have symptoms

00:30:26.360 simply cannot get enough virus out into the air to make you seriously ill.

00:30:32.260 It's so simple.

00:30:32.920 And if, of course, you go into the next room where the elderly with pre-existing illnesses are, who are very, very vulnerable towards the virus, yes, then something bad could really occur.

00:30:49.840 So don't do it.

00:30:51.120 No one who has a cough should go to see someone who is seriously ill because he has, he's

00:30:59.400 demented or he has a heart attack or he has a stroke, whatever you want, cancer.

00:31:04.860 And even if you don't have symptoms, you go and visit someone who is seriously ill, you

00:31:10.860 may want to wear a mask.

00:31:12.180 Yes, nothing to say against that.

00:31:14.500 But what we should not do is to have all our children masked here, to have all our elderly who need fresh air to stay alive, wear masks. All right?

00:31:28.340 And doctor, I mean, what you're saying is very, very worrying because we've just entered the second day of a national lockdown. We've locked down the entire country.

00:31:39.620 why is it that our experts are saying we need to lock down the NHS will collapse unless we lock

00:31:47.260 down um this is a you know a very very serious virus all the the stories that we've been told

00:31:54.520 why is it that these experts are saying this I don't know but not all experts are saying this

00:32:02.280 by the way I just told you that John you are an edis the leading expert in the world is saying

00:32:07.760 something completely different and mind you there is such a thing as the great barrington

00:32:14.380 declaration i don't know whether you've heard about this we have okay so as you know um

00:32:20.880 thank god a professor from oxford uh and one from stanford one from harvard three wrote this

00:32:32.540 declaration. And you probably will know that Michael Levitt, the Nobel Prize winner, also

00:32:40.120 supports this declaration. And this declaration has now been signed by, I haven't looked at the

00:32:45.840 last numbers, but the last time I looked, there were 35,000 physicians and scientists who had

00:32:53.920 signed this declaration. I was one of them, of course. And this declaration has been signed

00:32:58.600 And by a total of at least 700,000 people, 700,000 people.

00:33:05.080 So don't come telling me that all the experts are saying what you people are doing in Great Britain and not what the Germans are doing here.

00:33:15.540 because certainly the voices, the dissenting voices, are now much, much larger in number than the voices that are trying to put this whole agenda through.

00:33:30.140 In Germany, the major physicians, what is it called, the different associations of surgeons, of internal medics, they have also signed this declaration, a German one, saying that they do not approve of the lockdown, that it's not in order.

00:33:57.380 So we're looking at hundreds of thousands of experts and physicians around the world

00:34:04.300 who are all saying the same thing.

00:34:06.620 And it really is scary that despite this, this agenda is being driven.

00:34:15.160 Dr. Bhakti, so what is going on?

00:34:16.900 Why are we, when I turn on my television, which is rare nowadays, but if I do,

00:34:22.300 I look at the prime minister of this country, the leader of this country,

00:34:25.780 flanked by the chief medical officer and the chief scientific officer who are telling us that if we

00:34:31.560 don't lock down, our national health care system is going to collapse. 4,000 people a day are going

00:34:37.340 to die. Medics are going to have to triage patients and decide who lives and who dies. If you don't

00:34:43.660 agree with this, you're killing granny. You're heartless. Wear a mask, stay at home, save lives. 1.00

00:34:49.260 Yes. Okay. Wasn't this what we heard eight months ago?

00:34:55.780 It's a sort of a repeat.

00:34:57.400 It's a repeat, right?

00:34:59.080 Yes.

00:35:00.180 So eight months ago, everyone believed it and everyone conformed to everything that was being done and then was done.

00:35:07.880 And it turned out that the dissenting voices at that time, we were one of the very few who dissented.

00:35:16.980 John Yuan, it is too.

00:35:18.700 He also slept.

00:35:20.140 That was middle of March.

00:35:21.320 I know exactly when everything happened.

00:35:23.640 Okay.

00:35:25.780 And it turned out that John and we were saying the same thing

00:35:31.880 and saying that all these model calculations were probably not correct.

00:35:39.960 And it turned out that they were all wrong.

00:35:45.640 They were wrong.

00:35:47.000 And everything that your Prime Minister Boris Johnson said

00:35:51.220 and our Merkel said was wrong.

00:35:55.780 And now they're repeating it again.

00:35:59.340 So why should you believe them?

00:36:01.180 Why should anyone believe them?

00:36:02.860 Especially since what they're saying now is untrue.

00:36:07.320 It's not true that there's a second wave.

00:36:10.160 Not true at all.

00:36:11.720 They are rigging the numbers and they are falsifying the numbers

00:36:15.380 and they're telling lies.

00:36:17.180 This is the simple truth.

00:36:18.960 You see, as you may know, this PCR test becomes more and more unreliable the fewer cases there really are.

00:36:30.940 So if you go around testing people without reason, without symptoms, as has been done over the last months,

00:36:39.840 you are asking for trouble in a big manner

00:36:42.680 because the number of positive cases will correlate,

00:36:48.360 simply correlate with the number of tests that you perform

00:36:51.880 because there are always false positive tests.

00:36:58.280 False positives because this test is not perfect.

00:37:02.260 In fact, it is very imperfect.

00:37:04.980 But on the basis of false positive tests alone,

00:37:09.100 You can say that, you know, when other coronaviruses, when the flu virus is underway, which is the case now, at least 2% of those tests are wrong in the first place, are wrong in the first place.

00:37:26.200 So if you do, what is it, a million tests, then 20,000 false positive cases are going to be put into the records and these 20,000 people are going to be sent into quarantine and they don't have the virus.

00:37:43.940 They just have a positive, falsely positive test.

00:37:47.820 So anyone with any inkling of epidemiology knows.

00:37:54.720 Now, I'm not a professional epidemiologist.

00:37:57.380 I'm a microbiologist, but I learned this.

00:37:59.300 You see, when the number of cases falls below a certain level,

00:38:03.580 you must stop testing people without symptoms.

00:38:06.800 You just have to.

00:38:08.220 Because you test them, you're going to get more false positives than true positives.

00:38:13.080 And this is what's happening right now.

00:38:15.220 So what Merkel is saying, oh, we've got 3,000 positives yesterday

00:38:20.900 or 4,000 positives yesterday.

00:38:24.100 So he said, of course you will.

00:38:25.360 You did so many tests that, of course, you get these false positives.

00:38:31.120 So what are you telling the guys?

00:38:33.200 Why don't you tell them that the percentage of positives

00:38:37.280 has never gone significantly above, well, it was around 2,

00:38:44.300 to three percent and now one day it went up to four percent or five percent. However, it turned

00:38:51.120 out in retrospect that many labs in Germany, they were creating artifacts in the lab because they

00:38:59.800 weren't performing the tests properly. So we had, you know, a cluster of 60 cases down in Bavaria

00:39:08.760 in a region

00:39:10.060 and the people were completely

00:39:13.320 healthy and they said

00:39:15.220 I don't believe this, we want to be retested

00:39:17.700 and actually you should retest

00:39:19.480 every test which is not clearly positive

00:39:21.280 but that is not being done

00:39:23.120 either in Germany

00:39:24.420 people just sent to quarantine

00:39:27.180 I guess it's the same with you

00:39:29.280 by the way

00:39:29.760 but you must demand a retest

00:39:33.600 so these said we want to be

00:39:35.520 retested and it turned out

00:39:37.260 58 were

00:39:39.320 negative

00:39:40.260 because the lab

00:39:42.840 was

00:39:43.040 and the lab then admitted that

00:39:47.020 they

00:39:48.020 had used the wrong reagent

00:39:51.340 you know

00:39:51.640 they were short of reagents

00:39:55.260 they were short of manpower

00:39:56.900 they had no one to do the tests

00:39:58.440 and it was all wrong

00:40:00.340 and Dr Bhakti I remember

00:40:02.420 this was in April time

00:40:04.500 I remember I woke up one day

00:40:06.240 and I was lying in my bed and I was thinking, there's only three ways to get out of this

00:40:11.100 situation, really. There's number one, we carry on doing what we're doing and eventually somehow

00:40:16.900 the virus will dissipate, but I didn't see that happening. There's option two, which is we just

00:40:22.240 open everything up and we try herd immunity. Or there's option three, which is we have a vaccine.

00:40:28.840 But when I was reading your book, the vaccine isn't going to be a panacea, which is what it

00:40:35.480 which is what a lot of people have been claiming.

00:40:38.900 No.

00:40:40.280 Well, let's go to scenario two, this business about immunity,

00:40:45.660 which we have really taken, gone to lengths to describe in the book.

00:40:53.600 And anyone who's read the book and read the chapter on immunity

00:40:59.020 and vaccination will know much, much more than Boris Johnson

00:41:04.540 or Merkel or whatever you want, because the whole business surrounding immunity and vaccination

00:41:14.020 is fuzzy. There are very, very few people who have clear ideas about why we are immune to a virus

00:41:23.180 like the coronavirus or the flu virus. And we describe in the book that there are two arms

00:41:30.040 of immunity. One is the antibodies, which everyone knows about. So the antibodies prevent

00:41:36.380 the attachment of the virus to the cell. The antibodies catch the virus, so the virus can't

00:41:42.620 go to the cell, to my head. But these antibodies fight on a one-to-one, man-to-man. So if there's

00:41:54.540 one virus you need well a few antibodies let's say two antibodies to stop it but then the antibodies

00:42:01.220 are bound so if the second virus comes it can't be stopped obviously a matter of numbers all right

00:42:10.700 and something that even boris johnson should understand should uh you're very kind to our

00:42:18.920 prime minister we're less so no no i i think that he will if he cares to listen you see the trouble

00:42:26.360 about these people is they know everything already so they don't have to listen to guys like me but

00:42:31.200 maybe they should listen to other guys like john juanidis or anyway so the second problem is uh so

00:42:42.040 what i'm trying to say is even if you have antibodies so you were vaccinated and you get

00:42:47.340 antibodies, they're there, true.

00:42:50.480 You can only be protected if the number of viruses is low.

00:43:00.420 It's not that simple. 0.99

00:43:02.120 So this whole business about an immunity, what health pass, is stupid because that pass 0.97

00:43:10.640 doesn't tell you how many viruses you can deal with and whether you're going to be able 0.97

00:43:15.620 to deal with virus, so much coughs in your face, all right?

00:43:18.560 The second very, very difficult thing about these antibodies is that, you know,

00:43:23.880 you get immunized, then the antibodies come and are there

00:43:30.980 and may protect you from the virus.

00:43:35.200 Yes, you're protected.

00:43:37.340 But as months go by, the levels of antibodies just drop.

00:43:43.860 You can't keep them up.

00:43:45.340 Your immune system doesn't do work unless it's necessary and it just stops

00:43:49.420 because these antibodies have to be produced and they have other things to do

00:43:53.200 than produce antibodies that are not being used, all right?

00:43:56.760 So after two or three months, even though you have this passport

00:44:01.860 that says you are immune, you're not.

00:44:05.680 And everyone wants to believe it. 1.00

00:44:07.520 They are rather, rather ignorant. 0.98

00:44:09.060 And I cannot imagine that Boris Johnson doesn't understand this. 0.97

00:44:14.340 Now, then what happens is, and this is happening all the time, you see, because we do have antibodies against the old coronaviruses, this is known.

00:44:26.900 And these antibodies are able to catch the new virus to a certain extent, not as well as the old virus.

00:44:36.220 And that's why you can still get infected with the new virus.

00:44:39.840 That's why new infections do occur.

00:44:42.860 However, what happens after the new virus now enters the cell,

00:44:48.320 my head is the cell, okay, this is the first time my head has become a cell,

00:44:52.100 because it goes into my head, it multiplies.

00:44:56.940 What happens is that as the virus is being multiplied in my head

00:45:04.600 so that more viruses come out of my head and go to your head

00:45:07.540 and infect your cells, all right,

00:45:09.620 Waste products of the virus

00:45:12.860 Just fall out

00:45:16.180 And these waste products

00:45:18.560 My cell, my head

00:45:21.020 Shoves out through my nose

00:45:23.840 And hangs like my glasses

00:45:28.300 So the waste products are now displayed on my head

00:45:33.160 It's the first time I've done this

00:45:36.980 Okay, so when this happens, the second arm of the immune system comes out, and these are the killer lymphocytes.

00:45:45.200 It sounds good, doesn't it?

00:45:47.920 If anyone, after having seen this, thinks that the killer lymphocytes in their body are made to kill bacteria or to kill viruses,

00:45:59.320 then they have to go back and have a look at the book and at this video.

00:46:05.560 because the killer virus is what they see.

00:46:09.700 Now, where is the killer virus?

00:46:11.660 This is the killer lymphocyte.

00:46:14.400 My killer lymphocyte sees the waste product, 0.94

00:46:19.460 sees the eyeglasses on your head and says,

00:46:22.720 aha, something fishy is going on in the head.

00:46:27.360 And I recall having seen these glasses before

00:46:30.720 Because the glasses of the old coronavirus look like this, a little bit different, but still quite similar.

00:46:43.700 And killer lymphocytes have long-term memory.

00:46:48.820 They have a memory that goes on for years.

00:46:51.940 So if they saw this virus last year and this virus comes around this year or next year, they will still see it.

00:47:00.720 And what does a killer novocyte want to do when it sees the product of a virus that it recognizes should not have been produced?

00:47:10.780 It tries to kill me. 0.87

00:47:15.400 And in fact, it will come close to my head. 0.99

00:47:19.560 And then what happens is the kiss of death.

00:47:23.900 This virus will kiss the cell, which is supposed to kill, which is the own cell, the cell of my respiratory tract that dares to make the virus.

00:47:37.920 Yeah. And then after the kiss of death has caused my head to die, this killer lymphocyte goes away and it can kiss a second time and a third time, you see.

00:47:55.020 So the killer lymphocyte is really very, very, very powerful.

00:48:00.380 And that's why, in the end, one kilolymphocyte can kill many, many virus-infected cells.

00:48:06.820 And a million kilolymphocytes, and you have these, can kill so many virus-infected cells.

00:48:13.840 It doesn't kill the other cells.

00:48:15.380 It's only the cells with this waste product of the virus.

00:48:19.140 And then you get up and go to work, if you have work, after Boris Johnson has put so many people to work.

00:48:26.420 All right.

00:48:27.360 And that's the end of the story.

00:48:28.520 And Dr. Bhakti as well, they're talking about, you know, creating this vaccine, but there's never been a vaccine created against the coronavirus, has there?

00:48:39.220 I hope not. They were trying to create one against the SARS virus and it failed dismally. It doesn't work.

00:48:48.720 You know, look, the thing is this, 80 to 90 percent of the people who really contacted this virus did not become seriously ill because the infected cells were killed on time.

00:49:07.900 They were infected, but the cells were killed on time and the fire was extinguished.

00:49:13.100 The factory was shattered and broken.

00:49:17.000 So what we're seeing is that 80 to 90% of you have sufficient immunity.

00:49:25.000 What you want to call this, I don't care.

00:49:28.180 Let's call it background immunity so we don't start quarreling.

00:49:31.740 This is not herd immunity.

00:49:33.360 It's background immunity due to your lymphocytes that recognize the old coronaviruses.

00:49:38.120 We can't stop at that.

00:49:39.040 Now, this background immunity probably is there because lymphocytes in your body are present that recognize these eyeglasses, all right?

00:49:54.700 We've come this far.

00:49:55.600 The question was, when we wrote the book, do your killer lymphocytes really recognize the waste products of the new virus, all right?

00:50:07.380 And we were just absolutely delighted when this publication appeared.

00:50:12.860 A string of publications have now appeared since July that say, yes, 80 to 90 percent of people running around here do have these kilonephrocytes in their blood.

00:50:29.700 Well, 80 percent in their blood.

00:50:31.200 And, all right, you know, the lymphocytes in your blood are only less than 10% of the lymphocytes in your body

00:50:42.860 because over 90% of the other lymphocytes are in your spleen and your lymph nodes

00:50:47.520 and they just don't happen to be there when the blood is drawn and you want to test them, okay?

00:50:52.260 So if 80% of the individuals already have killer lymphocytes in their blood that recognize these waste products,

00:50:59.520 then you can bet your life that the other 20% have them in their spleen and lymph nodes.

00:51:03.920 You just have to wait until tomorrow for them to do their patrol, you see?

00:51:08.140 Yes.

00:51:08.840 Dr. Vackie, why did you say the vaccines don't work for coronaviruses?

00:51:13.020 Well, there are two reasons, you know.

00:51:18.560 So if you go around putting a vaccine in your body, let's now take the gene-based vaccine that AstraZeneca is developing.

00:51:35.160 And AstraZeneca has already sold to Merkel 54 million doses of the AstraZeneca gene-based vaccine.

00:51:45.460 have been reserved by our Chancellor

00:51:47.880 with our taxpayers' money,

00:51:50.740 okay, a vaccine

00:51:52.260 that is damn dangerous, you know,

00:51:54.280 because

00:51:54.680 if you put the vaccine in,

00:51:58.500 then the gene

00:51:59.820 is injected into your body,

00:52:01.980 the gene of the virus. And this gene

00:52:04.220 is supposed to

00:52:05.920 make your cells produce

00:52:08.120 the product

00:52:11.800 against which, so

00:52:13.280 produce the hands of the virus against which antibodies should be made. But as these

00:52:21.340 viral hands are being made, waste products are also going to be created. And these waste products,

00:52:28.260 again, will be, the waste products of the hand will be similar to the waste products of the old

00:52:37.300 coronaviruses okay so what happens then is that you have to be afraid that those people who

00:52:45.340 already have the killer lymphocytes that recognize this will go and think that the cell that is

00:52:52.420 making this going to start destroying healthy cells you're going to start attacking healthy

00:52:59.920 cells. And in fact, I can't prove this has happened. I just know that so many of those

00:53:08.920 vaccinees got such serious side effects, you know, pain, swelling, fever, headache, joint ache,

00:53:21.060 muscle ache, that the protocol of this AstraZeneca trial had to be changed, which is not allowed

00:53:27.500 actually, so that the next vaccinese received paracetamol, high dose, to alleviate them of the 1.00

00:53:36.040 symptoms. And then the trial went on. But then two very serious side effects came. This was

00:53:42.420 transverse myelitis, which is, you know, the spinal cord gets inflamed. No one knows why,

00:53:49.720 But there are many reasons why one may think that an auto attack has been started by the lymphocytes on the nose.

00:54:01.720 Now, I won't go into this. It doesn't go the straight way.

00:54:05.920 There might be turns around the corner, but it may be.

00:54:10.800 So this is the one thing that makes the vaccine dangerous.

00:54:15.120 The second thing that makes it dangerous is that, let's say, you got past the vaccination, and now you have your antibodies, but you also have reawoken those killer lymphocytes to this virus.

00:54:34.440 Okay, so this is like when you have a boxer, a coach in the ring, you have a round, and now he's coached you again, so you become stronger and more ready to fight.

00:54:54.340 Now, when the real virus comes and overcomes the few antibodies that you have and you get really infected, you will have so many killer lymphocytes ready that they might overdo their job.

00:55:10.840 And this would be an immune response dependent enhancement of immune enhancement, which ends in autoaggression again.

00:55:29.180 You have an overdose of immune response.

00:55:33.740 I don't know whether I can make myself clear.

00:55:36.220 No, no, no, you've made it absolutely clear.

00:55:38.460 I mean, the question that I want to ask you, Dr. Bhakti, and it's not a particularly fair one, but would you take the vaccine?

00:55:45.460 Of course not. I'm not mad.

00:55:50.540 I'm not mad.

00:55:51.900 You know, look, if you are under 70, your chances of dying because of this vaccine are minuscule.

00:55:59.440 Five out of 10,000 infected people under 70.

00:56:03.100 Now, in order for a vaccine to get licensed, to get approved, it has to be shown to be effective.

00:56:13.200 How do you show a vaccine to be effective?

00:56:15.560 You have to show that it saves lives.

00:56:17.860 But if you're losing five out of 10,000 lives, how are you going to show that that number is going to be reduced by a vaccine?

00:56:27.020 You can't.

00:56:27.800 You will never reach statistical significance because if it goes down from five to three, it's not significant. All right. Sorry. So forget it. Why should I want to be vaccinated?

00:56:40.280 That's a very, very powerful point, Dr. Bhakti.

00:56:44.120 We're starting to run out of time.

00:56:47.000 Let me ask you one more question before we ask you our very final question,

00:56:50.480 which is about lockdown.

00:56:52.060 Now, you've made yourself very clear you don't think we should be doing lockdowns.

00:56:55.640 You don't think we should be doing anything, actually, in dealing with this virus

00:56:59.400 because you believe it's no worse than the flu.

00:57:03.160 I don't believe it. I know it. It's been shown.

00:57:06.180 sure i'm not disputing it i'm just trying to simplify it for our viewers and listeners that

00:57:12.240 is your position in terms of the lockdown then obviously governments all over the world have

00:57:18.140 decided to do that and according to our government's own estimates as a result of lockdown

00:57:24.260 up to 200 000 people may die from deaths as a result of lockdown that is people not being

00:57:32.480 diagnosed with cancer on time heart disease depression suicide mental health problems you

00:57:39.360 can go down the list of all the different causes of death what do you and then of course there's

00:57:44.760 economic recession which leads to poverty which also kills people suicide suicide right so

00:57:49.980 do you feel that the governments have made a decision that is essentially in in attempting

00:58:00.100 as they claim to save lives actually what they're doing is killing way more people than they're

00:58:04.440 saving of course they are and i can tell you that lawyers around the world are now going to bring

00:58:14.600 thousands of cases to court and to bring those people to justice i know that the first

00:58:23.060 cases are being filed next week

00:58:25.920 here in Germany and

00:58:27.540 I know that

00:58:28.600 the British are also going to be

00:58:32.040 taken to court

00:58:33.500 I hope the right ones are going to be

00:58:35.440 taken to court and I hope they are going to be

00:58:37.900 punished because what they are

00:58:39.980 doing is

00:58:41.340 criminal, it is

00:58:43.740 simply criminal, this is what

00:58:45.680 not only I am saying

00:58:47.100 but thousands and thousands of people are saying

00:58:49.920 and it's not a matter of belief

00:58:52.140 we know that people have died

00:58:54.680 we know that people are dying around the world

00:58:57.100 because of these lockdown measures

00:58:58.840 millions of people

00:59:00.880 in India have starved to death 0.99

00:59:03.100 and are starving

00:59:05.100 to death

00:59:05.600 and it's simply inhuman

00:59:09.080 to do what they are doing

00:59:11.340 it is inhuman

00:59:12.660 and I think that is

00:59:14.760 a very very powerful point

00:59:16.480 to end the interview on Dr. Bhakti

00:59:18.100 thank you so much for coming on

00:59:19.820 we really do appreciate it

00:59:21.760 we always end our interviews with the last question,

00:59:25.780 which is always the same, which is?

00:59:27.460 What's the one thing we're not talking about

00:59:29.560 that we really should be?

00:59:31.160 We should be talking about

00:59:32.720 why and how has our society

00:59:38.640 allowed these things to happen?

00:59:44.380 How and why?

00:59:46.740 And we must strive to get answers to those

00:59:49.320 so that this will never happen again.

00:59:51.760 Dr. Bakhti

00:59:53.140 thank you very much

00:59:54.640 and of course before we let you go

00:59:57.060 again we appreciate your time very much

00:59:59.060 for people who want to familiarize

01:00:00.740 themselves with your argument

01:00:02.680 and your book

01:00:03.660 the book is called COVID False Alarm

01:00:06.340 where can people buy it

01:00:08.120 and have a read of it

01:00:09.200 and also if people can follow you online somewhere

01:00:11.120 and read your thoughts

01:00:11.920 let us know that as well

01:00:13.280 well I think you can buy the book anywhere

01:00:16.920 in any bookstore in England

01:00:19.260 now. It's called Corona

01:00:21.360 False Alarm. Corona, sorry.

01:00:23.580 Yes, it's being distributed worldwide.

01:00:26.900 It's also

01:00:27.280 being translated into eight other

01:00:29.200 languages, by the way, including

01:00:31.120 the Chinese, which

01:00:33.200 is appearing next week.

01:00:35.200 So there is a demand for this book

01:00:37.180 and we hope many people read it.

01:00:39.380 We're not earning

01:00:40.180 from this book. We just want

01:00:43.120 people to have knowledge in

01:00:45.160 their head and

01:00:46.760 understanding for a subject that is not really that difficult so it's been written in a way that

01:00:53.860 anyone can and will understand corona false alarm dr bakhti thank you so much for coming on the show

01:01:02.580 and thank you all for watching we will see you very soon with another episode or a live stream

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TRIGGERnometry - November 11, 2020

Are We Being Told the Truth About COVID-19？｜ Prof. Sucharit Bhakdi

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TRIGGERnometry - November 11, 2020

Are We Being Told the Truth About COVID-19？ ｜ Prof. Sucharit Bhakdi

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Are We Being Told the Truth About COVID-19？｜ Prof. Sucharit Bhakdi