00:01:46.680And I graduated from Bonn, the University of Bonn, and virtually, well, after a few years, I went into science and became a laboratory scientist combined with clinical work.
00:02:02.680So I worked in medical microbiology and infectious diseases all my life, actually.
00:02:09.460I started doing research, when was that?
00:02:14.240My God, 20, 50 years ago, almost 50 years ago.
00:02:19.400And yeah, went through the different stages, became professor of microbiology and was called
00:02:26.580to the chair of the Department of Medical Microbiology at the University of Mainz.
00:02:32.680was 30 years ago gosh yes 30 years ago we're making you feel very very old today that's the
00:02:39.480whole point of this interview yes and I retired eight years ago so you know so you look you've
00:02:47.760had this long distinguished career you've studied medicine you retire in 2012 it's eight years later
00:02:54.540and now you write a very controversial book why aren't you just enjoying life why did you feel
00:03:01.560the need to to speak out about what you feel is the problem with how we're measuring coronavirus
00:03:08.420cases how we're responding to the virus and many other issues that you you take issue with well you
00:03:14.140know um i and my wife are not doing this for fun uh we in march when the first lockdown was
00:03:25.260looming sort of uh we thought this is weird the situation there's something wrong about the whole
00:03:32.300business the whole story because um uh it's it's out of this world it cannot be true
00:03:41.240why not why do you say that every government in the world seemingly has accepted this idea
00:03:48.120that lockdowns are the way to deal with this why isn't it the right solution exactly that's
00:03:55.140what we couldn't understand and that's why we started making these videos trying to reach out
00:04:03.420to the public to to everyone in the social media since the mainstream media were certainly going
00:04:11.880the other way uh dragging everyone uh what is it like the pied piper you know people following
00:04:22.440the tone of the Piper, but it wasn't the rats anymore.
00:04:27.040It was the population all around the world, and we couldn't believe it.
00:04:32.860So we stood up and said, people, now, why do you believe everything you're being told?
00:04:40.000Why don't you sit down and read and think a bit?
00:04:44.260Because if you did that, you would very quickly realize that there's something very, very fishy
00:04:52.440You started, you know, with the definition of what is COVID-19.
00:05:00.880Originally, COVID-19 was defined as the severe illness caused by a virus named SARS-CoV-2.
00:05:10.620It was so complicated that no normal person could understand what was going on.
00:05:17.400And that was the beginning of the end, because then, you know, this PCR test came out and became the gold standard for diagnosing COVID-19.
00:05:33.640Now, anyone who studied, you know, infectious diseases knows that the PCR test cannot be used to diagnose anything.
00:05:43.000A PCR test is a lab test that may be used to support a diagnosis.
00:05:50.500So if you think someone is ill, has fever, is coughing, and is short of breath,
00:05:58.840then it's quite legitimate to do a PCR test to try to find the gene of that virus that you're looking for.
00:06:06.720And if you find it, or parts of the gene, because a PCR test only looks at parts of the virus genome, very small parts, then it's okay.
00:06:17.120Then you say, all right, this would confirm the clinical diagnosis.
00:06:22.300But a real doctor doesn't go around testing people with a test that has never been put on the market for use to diagnose a disease.
00:06:39.280It's only there to see whether you have parts of this virus genome, you know, sitting around in your throat or your nose.
00:06:48.020And then the terrible thing was that whenever this PCR test was positive, that person or patient was labeled COVID-19 case.
00:07:10.300But COVID-19 is the term used for the disease.
00:07:14.480And that's where everything really started getting crazy, because this virus, second thing, this virus was termed a new virus and COVID-19 was termed a new disease.
00:07:30.360But in fact, neither the virus is really new, nor is the disease really new, because the coronaviruses have been with us, with man, since the beginning of mankind.
00:07:41.780You know, these are viruses that coexist with us.
00:07:51.180And so every year and every few months, a virus will change a little bit because they mutate all the time.
00:08:00.280They have to mutate, otherwise they can't keep on, you know, going back and forth between you and me and animals or whatever you want.
00:08:10.220So it's a completely normal thing that these viruses, which are the most successful viruses in the world, together with the flu viruses, by the way, because they manage to keep the host alive.
00:10:56.340Now, while the police say, OK, keep on driving,
00:11:00.180your politicians now say you're going to quarantine.
00:11:03.680But, Dr. Bhakti, I want to ask you a question. So you say there's something fishy going on. Could you expand? What do you mean by that?
00:11:12.960It means that the way of, first of all, diagnosing this disease, COVID-19, is at variance with everything that anyone learns in infectious diseases.
00:11:28.660You're using a lab test to make a very serious diagnosis, all right?
00:11:33.900Now, as I said, this PCR test will light up if you have 0.05 per miller in your blood of alcohol.
00:11:51.240And yet you're deemed to be COVID-19 case.
00:11:56.720It means that you have a serious disease and you enter the records as a COVID-19 case.
00:12:03.820So to put it in very simple language for people listening, what you're really saying is the PCR test is likely to massively exaggerate the number of people who are actually suffering symptoms of COVID-19.
00:12:15.520Oh, yes, horribly. I mean, so much that it's criminal to say that these are COVID-19 cases because everyone in the world believes, oh, my God, you know, now we have we've had 250,000 COVID-19 cases in Germany.
00:12:33.040But in fact, you probably have had, I won't be able even to estimate, I can tell you that probably, and we've had 10,000 COVID-19 deaths.
00:12:46.640But of these 10,000 COVID-19 deaths, 90% were deaths due to other causes, like heart attack or stroke or whatever.
00:12:56.300it's just that they happen to test positive for this damn virus with a pcr test that lights up the
00:13:03.600moment uh the moment bits and pieces of this virus or another virus that is related to this virus
00:13:10.760has gotten into your throat you know so dr bhakti if this is the case right and of course
00:13:17.680i trust what you're saying then why is it we're going into lockdown because you can't be the only
00:13:23.840person to think this i'm sure there's great swathes in the medical profession that do
00:13:28.320well uh to our great relief the foremost world's foremost epidemiologist professor john joan edis
00:13:40.260of stanford actually published a paper uh that was back three weeks ago and this paper
00:13:49.720is peer reviewed. It means that it's been seen
00:13:54.180by three to four experts, leading experts in the field
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00:18:15.080That's exactly what I'm trying to tell you.
00:18:17.180That's what we wrote in the book, and in that book, the last sentences of that book took us a long time to write, because we put everything we had in our soul into these words, that it is time has come for homo sapiens to stand up.
00:24:14.020You know, I also am not allowed to wear a mask because I am elderly, I'm 74, and I have a sort of borderline blood pressure.
00:24:27.060You know, when I wear a mask, the CO2 behind the mask goes up, my pulse goes up, and my blood pressure goes up.
00:24:34.220So very rightly, I will not wear a mask because it shortens my life expectancy.
00:24:40.120All right. Am I talking so that everyone understands? Because if you do ask yourself, are you also a borderline case of high blood pressure? Millions of British are. Millions of Germans are. And when they put on their masks, they are shortening their lives. Okay.
00:25:52.360So, if the next room were the homes of the elderly with pre-existing illnesses who have to be protected, there's nothing to be said against wearing masks to protect them in the nursing homes, in the hospitals, or whatever.
00:26:13.900I'm just talking about this room, which is the public, okay?
00:26:18.700what are the thoughts behind you know all this the thought is that you who are not ill and i who
00:26:30.400am not ill may be spreading the virus without knowing so i may be spreading if we were in the
00:26:39.240same room to you. And then you would get COVID-19, which is the illness. All right. Now, listen very,
00:26:51.360very carefully. There has been one single publication in the literature, in the world
00:27:01.280literature that makes it probable that if I have contacted that virus and I'm going to be ill in
00:27:12.500two or three days, that in this short term, before I start coughing, okay, I may in fact
00:27:22.600give the virus to another person, all right?
00:27:27.160But that publication very clearly showed
00:30:32.920And if, of course, you go into the next room where the elderly with pre-existing illnesses are, who are very, very vulnerable towards the virus, yes, then something bad could really occur.
00:31:14.500But what we should not do is to have all our children masked here, to have all our elderly who need fresh air to stay alive, wear masks. All right?
00:31:28.340And doctor, I mean, what you're saying is very, very worrying because we've just entered the second day of a national lockdown. We've locked down the entire country.
00:31:39.620why is it that our experts are saying we need to lock down the NHS will collapse unless we lock
00:31:47.260down um this is a you know a very very serious virus all the the stories that we've been told
00:31:54.520why is it that these experts are saying this I don't know but not all experts are saying this
00:32:02.280by the way I just told you that John you are an edis the leading expert in the world is saying
00:32:07.760something completely different and mind you there is such a thing as the great barrington
00:32:14.380declaration i don't know whether you've heard about this we have okay so as you know um
00:32:20.880thank god a professor from oxford uh and one from stanford one from harvard three wrote this
00:32:32.540declaration. And you probably will know that Michael Levitt, the Nobel Prize winner, also
00:32:40.120supports this declaration. And this declaration has now been signed by, I haven't looked at the
00:32:45.840last numbers, but the last time I looked, there were 35,000 physicians and scientists who had
00:32:53.920signed this declaration. I was one of them, of course. And this declaration has been signed
00:32:58.600And by a total of at least 700,000 people, 700,000 people.
00:33:05.080So don't come telling me that all the experts are saying what you people are doing in Great Britain and not what the Germans are doing here.
00:33:15.540because certainly the voices, the dissenting voices, are now much, much larger in number than the voices that are trying to put this whole agenda through.
00:33:30.140In Germany, the major physicians, what is it called, the different associations of surgeons, of internal medics, they have also signed this declaration, a German one, saying that they do not approve of the lockdown, that it's not in order.
00:33:57.380So we're looking at hundreds of thousands of experts and physicians around the world
00:37:04.980But on the basis of false positive tests alone,
00:37:09.100You can say that, you know, when other coronaviruses, when the flu virus is underway, which is the case now, at least 2% of those tests are wrong in the first place, are wrong in the first place.
00:37:26.200So if you do, what is it, a million tests, then 20,000 false positive cases are going to be put into the records and these 20,000 people are going to be sent into quarantine and they don't have the virus.
00:37:43.940They just have a positive, falsely positive test.
00:37:47.820So anyone with any inkling of epidemiology knows.
00:37:54.720Now, I'm not a professional epidemiologist.
00:37:57.380I'm a microbiologist, but I learned this.
00:37:59.300You see, when the number of cases falls below a certain level,
00:38:03.580you must stop testing people without symptoms.
00:44:09.060And I cannot imagine that Boris Johnson doesn't understand this.
00:44:14.340Now, then what happens is, and this is happening all the time, you see, because we do have antibodies against the old coronaviruses, this is known.
00:44:26.900And these antibodies are able to catch the new virus to a certain extent, not as well as the old virus.
00:44:36.220And that's why you can still get infected with the new virus.
00:47:15.400And in fact, it will come close to my head.
00:47:19.560And then what happens is the kiss of death.
00:47:23.900This virus will kiss the cell, which is supposed to kill, which is the own cell, the cell of my respiratory tract that dares to make the virus.
00:47:37.920Yeah. And then after the kiss of death has caused my head to die, this killer lymphocyte goes away and it can kiss a second time and a third time, you see.
00:47:55.020So the killer lymphocyte is really very, very, very powerful.
00:48:00.380And that's why, in the end, one kilolymphocyte can kill many, many virus-infected cells.
00:48:06.820And a million kilolymphocytes, and you have these, can kill so many virus-infected cells.
00:48:28.520And Dr. Bhakti as well, they're talking about, you know, creating this vaccine, but there's never been a vaccine created against the coronavirus, has there?
00:48:39.220I hope not. They were trying to create one against the SARS virus and it failed dismally. It doesn't work.
00:48:48.720You know, look, the thing is this, 80 to 90 percent of the people who really contacted this virus did not become seriously ill because the infected cells were killed on time.
00:49:07.900They were infected, but the cells were killed on time and the fire was extinguished.
00:49:55.600The question was, when we wrote the book, do your killer lymphocytes really recognize the waste products of the new virus, all right?
00:50:07.380And we were just absolutely delighted when this publication appeared.
00:50:12.860A string of publications have now appeared since July that say, yes, 80 to 90 percent of people running around here do have these kilonephrocytes in their blood.
00:52:13.280produce the hands of the virus against which antibodies should be made. But as these
00:52:21.340viral hands are being made, waste products are also going to be created. And these waste products,
00:52:28.260again, will be, the waste products of the hand will be similar to the waste products of the old
00:52:37.300coronaviruses okay so what happens then is that you have to be afraid that those people who
00:52:45.340already have the killer lymphocytes that recognize this will go and think that the cell that is
00:52:52.420making this going to start destroying healthy cells you're going to start attacking healthy
00:52:59.920cells. And in fact, I can't prove this has happened. I just know that so many of those
00:53:08.920vaccinees got such serious side effects, you know, pain, swelling, fever, headache, joint ache,
00:53:21.060muscle ache, that the protocol of this AstraZeneca trial had to be changed, which is not allowed
00:53:27.500actually, so that the next vaccinese received paracetamol, high dose, to alleviate them of the
00:53:36.040symptoms. And then the trial went on. But then two very serious side effects came. This was
00:53:42.420transverse myelitis, which is, you know, the spinal cord gets inflamed. No one knows why,
00:53:49.720But there are many reasons why one may think that an auto attack has been started by the lymphocytes on the nose.
00:54:01.720Now, I won't go into this. It doesn't go the straight way.
00:54:05.920There might be turns around the corner, but it may be.
00:54:10.800So this is the one thing that makes the vaccine dangerous.
00:54:15.120The second thing that makes it dangerous is that, let's say, you got past the vaccination, and now you have your antibodies, but you also have reawoken those killer lymphocytes to this virus.
00:54:34.440Okay, so this is like when you have a boxer, a coach in the ring, you have a round, and now he's coached you again, so you become stronger and more ready to fight.
00:54:54.340Now, when the real virus comes and overcomes the few antibodies that you have and you get really infected, you will have so many killer lymphocytes ready that they might overdo their job.
00:55:10.840And this would be an immune response dependent enhancement of immune enhancement, which ends in autoaggression again.
00:55:29.180You have an overdose of immune response.
00:55:33.740I don't know whether I can make myself clear.
00:55:36.220No, no, no, you've made it absolutely clear.
00:55:38.460I mean, the question that I want to ask you, Dr. Bhakti, and it's not a particularly fair one, but would you take the vaccine?
00:56:27.800You will never reach statistical significance because if it goes down from five to three, it's not significant. All right. Sorry. So forget it. Why should I want to be vaccinated?
00:56:40.280That's a very, very powerful point, Dr. Bhakti.