00:26:00.000Everybody's basically like, you know, running for cover.
00:26:03.000Well, the guys you went to the rally with distance yourself, themselves from you.
00:26:09.000Right. They didn't, they, they were scared that they're, they're gonna, they might have a, I mean, I'm, I'm guessing that this is, they were scared.
00:26:17.000They were scared that they didn't want to have people, the FBI out their doorstep.
00:26:21.000I mean, they, they, I mean, he was actually at the thing and arguably, arguably he, he's one of the reasons that like, you know, that they assumed that I was there because he did a selfie or something like that and posted that.
00:26:38.000And then they saw that they didn't, they knew because of the photographs in the hotel room, they put two and two together.
00:26:44.000They assumed that there was no eyewitnesses saying that I was there.
00:26:48.000That's the thing. Okay. So, so they just, the reporting on it basically took it.
00:26:54.000Everybody was basically making up these things because they needed to make them up.
00:26:59.000And this is the, this is the feeling that I've been getting from, chiefly from the left, the left wing media for quite some time now.
00:27:07.000I think they've, they still do it egregiously.
00:27:10.000I mean, you know, I, I'm sure the right wing media, I'm sure Fox News does it too, but less so, I think.
00:27:20.000But, but there's, there seems to be a, they don't care about the facts anymore.
00:27:24.000And they're expecting me to like actually believe that they can actually, that they, they could be, they can actually be accountable for things.
00:27:32.000I mean, I mean, it would make a big, it's a, it's an important distinction.
00:27:36.000If I wasn't there, if I wasn't there and I wasn't attending and I wasn't part of the most, you know, the most, the darkest day in the history of the United States, which is what Biden says that it was.
00:27:49.000Okay. Like more like since the civil war.
00:27:52.000Don't worry about it. He's forgotten about it already.
00:27:54.000No, but everybody's, but everybody forgets it.
00:27:56.000I mean, he's, he's, he's not forgotten about it.
00:27:58.000His, he came out like the Darth Maul in the, in the latest thing, you know, saying that, that MAGA extremists, you know, not, not, he's not even, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's unifying.
00:28:11.000He's saying, he's like, he's like, Republicans are good. Republicans are okay now, but like, it's the MAGA extremists.
00:28:18.000And I mean, that's, when you say that, that's, what do you, what does that, what is that, what are you, what are you setting up?
00:28:26.000What do you, what do you, what do you got up down, up your sleeve? What are you saying?
00:28:29.000What are you saying? And, and I've seen the smear campaign that they've done over the past, I mean, they haven't, they haven't repatriated anybody, they haven't gotten on any, they haven't unified the country.
00:28:40.000The country, he's supposed to, you know, supposed to unify the country, but he's only, only stigmatized and ostracized, as far as I can tell.
00:28:51.000Um, you would have thought that by now, my friends would have, came to their senses, and, uh, realized that, you know, the coast is clear, and maybe like, you know, they flinched or something like that.
00:29:02.000And it would come back and say, like, sorry, we weren't there for you, blah, blah, blah.
00:29:07.000But we know that that's not the way the world works, and, and there's probably a lot of shame there, which I'm, or maybe there's just still a lot of anger from them.
00:29:18.000A lot of them probably have, like, have to convince themselves that I did something to, to provoke their, uh, their, their distance and their, you know, to get, to make them weary of ever talking to me again, so.
00:29:37.000And I know for a fact that there's certain, certain people that I know that were just, yeah, they kind of like, some of them did, you know, they had to basically do some sort of social thing.
00:29:46.780They had to go onto Twitter, and by virtue of the fact that they were associated with me and known to be associated with me, they had to, in order to, like, you know, save face or, like, to even get back in the good graces of their, their circles,
00:30:03.740they had to make some sort of gesture, like, you know, like, it's so sad to see Ariel go down this path.
00:30:12.340I knew the drugs were, you know, were, I told, I, I knew that he was going down the terrible path, and the drugs have just gotten to him.
00:30:19.420He needs to go back home and take a, you know, and, and, and reassess his life, and I hope this, this is a wake-up call for him.
00:30:26.740So, Ariel, why is it that, um, now, the very famous Hollywood actress and star, Kirstie Alley, passed away a couple of days ago now, and she made,
00:30:38.800Yeah, and she made a point because she was a Trump supporter, and she said the words, it's fine in Hollywood to smoke meth and sleep with hookers, but it's not fine to vote for Trump.
00:30:50.020Uh, that's, uh, that's the question. I mean, I, I, I wouldn't venture to, to, to know the answer to that. Um, it is the facts. Um, uh, yeah, why can't, uh, why is Hollywood, um, you know, uh, when, when, when half the country, like, you know, voted for him and arguably more.
00:31:14.060Yeah, because I guess the, the, the question that I'm trying to get to, Ariel, is artists, they're meant to be the free thinkers.
00:31:20.820The whole purpose of art or music in many ways is to see the world through the eyes of someone who looks at the world slightly differently, who looks at the world slightly askew.
00:31:31.220You'd think that, you'd think that that was the case, but it apparently is not the case anymore.
00:31:36.180And that's, and there was never, nobody told me, I mean, I might, I might've never done it if like, I basically realized what was, what was, what I was risking.
00:31:46.200I didn't realize how thoroughly everybody, I, I underestimated how, just how enslaved my, uh, my, uh, my, my, my friends, my, my, my peers, my, my entire city, how everybody would just basically was,
00:32:04.720because what I think it is, is that like, people just really care so much about what other people think about them now, more than they ever did before.
00:32:12.760In the past, I think they've cared about it, but there wasn't a big enough, uh, uh, uh, I don't know.
00:32:18.300I just think that like, you know, something about social media kind of probably makes people hyper aware of what they appear like to other people.
00:32:26.680And that makes the, uh, some sort of anxiety sets in and, and people literally will, they'd rather, you know, jump in the ocean than actually, uh, risk, uh, losing, uh, their friend group.
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00:35:48.400It's, it's, it's, to me, it's, it's, in my opinion, it's a no-brainer.
00:35:53.400I mean, I, I'm not even that political, but, like, it's just, I could see, I understand, like, what would happen if, like, we started to ban things the same way that, you know,
00:36:06.780And it seems like it's, you know, freedom of speech seems to be a good, a good way to sort of, a sort of a good baseline for basically what you want to call it.
00:36:16.840Like, like, allowing people to say things.
00:36:23.180You know, and I, I didn't, if I had, I'd known, I never expected that those things would come back to haunt me, especially.
00:36:29.120Because I, but I was, I was definitely, like, you know, I was taking the temperature always of, of, of the free speech that I had and the, the platform that I had.
00:36:37.640And I was, I felt like I could be pretty, I didn't think, like, I had to basically be honest as much as, uh, I allowed myself to be, uh, uh, unvarnished.
00:36:54.740You know, like, I basically was just able to, uh, free associate in many interviews and I got this, this, you know, you can look up my interviews, you can see what I've said.
00:37:05.800I never thought that those things were going to be used against me later on.
00:37:09.420I mean, I, I was exercising my free speech and, uh, you know, I'm not worried about, uh, people, you know, coming up to me and saying, well, you said that, you said that, you, you, you, do you believe that?
00:37:21.140And it's just like, maybe I do, maybe I don't. It doesn't matter because there's free speech and I can say it.
00:37:26.680And nobody's going to deny me that because there's free speech. I mean, as long as I don't do anything.
00:37:33.540But surely Ariel, the pushback to that is, yeah, but free speech does have certain consequences.
00:37:38.000If you say something, people will never to be think, well, that's what you believe in. Therefore you are.
00:37:43.600I've said, I've said that, like, I love the Westboro Baptist Church.
00:37:46.660Now, now, you know, I got a lot of flack for that at the time too.
00:37:50.860I mean, it's, I can see, mate, that's kind of a, you know.
00:37:56.220Well, but I mean, but, but I mean, people don't, don't really investigate it.
00:37:59.900They think I'm just being edgy and are just being like a provocative and I am, but like, there's more to it than that.
00:38:06.940I mean, they are, they are human beings.
00:38:09.640They have a reason for being that is, is sort of like not talked about.
00:38:13.340I'm, I'm, what they do is they sort of, they like to tell people that they're, that they're going to go to hell.
00:38:21.360But they're, they're telling people that don't believe in heaven or hell that they're going to go to hell and it gets these people upset.
00:38:29.080They shouldn't be upset because they're not going to go to hell.
00:38:32.640But they are managing, you know, it's a family of lawyers.
00:38:35.340They're just, these people are, they're, they're, they're provoking people to basically physically assault them.
00:38:44.700And basically seizing on that weakness, I think.
00:38:48.820I thought that's what kind of like what I liked about it was that like it was basically calling people's bluff and basically like anybody that basically would attack them for saying, you're going to go to hell.
00:38:59.960It's like, who cares what they're saying?
00:39:02.020If you can, if you, you know, what is the big deal?
00:39:05.460Like I'm rubbing your glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks on you.
00:39:11.700And you need, the consequences are that people get physical.
00:39:15.820They, they, they get driven to do things.
00:39:18.180And then they think that, you know, and then, then these lawyers probably like, you know, like their whole reason for being is basically like, like just, just seizing on that.
00:39:29.180And I, I mean, I don't think it's a very noble purpose, but I think that it actually has a very American thing behind it.
00:39:35.900But surely, aren't words a reflection of your character, Ariel?
00:39:38.500Like, for instance, you, you know, you say that you were being provocative and you are a provocative person.
00:39:42.860And I would say that you're not, you're, you're a contrarian.
00:39:52.640But, so doesn't that then reflect your character?
00:39:55.220The words that you use reflect your character?
00:39:57.620Like, what you said about Westboro Baptist Church, doesn't that reflect slightly who you are and the way you think?
00:40:03.620It reflects on who I was or what I was saying at the time.
00:40:08.920You could extrapolate all sorts of things, but the consequences of that should not be, you know, I could say that I did something totally illegal.
00:40:20.020The fact that I didn't do that thing should make it clear of consequences, I think.
00:40:27.600I mean, I mean, like, I can say, what I'm saying is that people, what's true and what isn't, and what's honest and what isn't is a very, very, it's, it's, it's a, it's a murky area.
00:40:47.280Well, speaking of being wrong, since Francis refuses to ask him the bloody question, I'm going to ask it, which is, why did you support Donald Trump?
00:41:16.440But, but I had, but I know I've been involved in media long enough to know exactly what they do.
00:41:22.700And I'm no stranger to the, the sort of, you know, the sort of, uh, uh, uh, lynch mob that they're, like, you know, liable to sort of, these hate campaigns that they try to do to, to, to smear somebody, you know, take some of these words and basically, like, you know, recast them as, as the enemy to basically make them stumble and make them, like, you know, uh, uh, uh, uh, flinch or, or screw up or say something even more, more dumber, you know.
00:41:52.260And, and, and make themselves, uh, uh, to sort of like, you know, uh, prove them right.
00:41:59.300And essentially, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's like, uh, the media really likes to take, take down its, uh, its, uh, subjects and it likes to bring them up and then it basically loves to take them down.
00:42:11.600And so, and it didn't really work for me, for them.
00:42:14.800I mean, with, with regards to me, I mean, the, first of all, I was never anywhere that what's to take down.
00:42:22.340Nobody knows about me, but, but, but, but, but, but the point is that like, I, I had experienced, uh, an, an intense smear campaign on me that was completely wholly out of full cloth, you know, without any reason.
00:42:36.760Uh, uh, I, I'd experienced several of those.
00:42:40.620Um, you know, and they, you know, people saying that I was a misogynist, people saying, people, yeah, referring back to the, the interview with the, that I said, uh, the Baptist church, that I liked the Baptist church.
00:42:55.640It was like, I mean, I've said something like I didn't, uh, I didn't believe in, uh, I didn't believe in gay marriage or something like that.
00:43:03.360I think it was like, I didn't believe in marriage actually.
00:45:23.920So this is why I was curious why you like Donald Trump, because, or sorry, you didn't even say you like Donald Trump, why you voted for him.
00:45:31.400And the answer you gave is, well, I know what it's like to be smeared.
00:45:36.520I think, I think I definitely, well, if I'm, if I'm going to be honest, I mean, what I, what I felt was that I really, when we voted out, when we, when we didn't, when we voted him in, in 2016, I think that, that was the,
00:45:52.800that was a memorandum that was, that was basically like a, a, a, that was, that was us saying that we didn't want that regime that had been there prior.
00:46:04.620And we all thought that, we were all told that the, we were told that he had no chance of winning by the media.
00:46:14.940The media in, and I'm talking about the right wing and the left wing, was in unison and hated one person, okay, before he ever stepped foot in the White House.
00:46:26.160And they accused him of all these things.
00:46:29.240And they really just did, it was the first time that it, it occurred to me that the media was actually in the pocket of a specific party.
00:46:36.560And more than that, that specific party was also the other party.
00:46:42.220It was just basically controlled opposition.
00:46:44.840They were against him because he was an outsider.
00:46:47.740And, and they thought that they could just basically tell you what you were going to do.
00:46:53.020And the difference between, like, I think, between now and then is that, I think that they were, I think there was a level of wishful thinking on the part of the media and liberals at the time.
00:47:10.460They were basically saying, this is what's going to happen, this is what's going to happen, because they hoped that that's what was going to happen.
00:47:18.560Now, when they said that he's not going to actually have another four years, they were saying, there's no way he's going to have another four years.
00:47:30.620And that's the impression, and they were, they meant it, okay?
00:47:33.360What I'm saying is, like, they made sure that there wasn't any chance of that happening.
00:47:37.300Whereas back then, they, they, they were just saying it, hoping.
00:47:43.960And I think that that's, that's what, that's the extremism that you sense nowadays, and the sort of heightened, heightened tension everywhere is, is a, is because of that.
00:47:55.180And that's the thing, that, that to me is, is what's really the difference in all of this.