TRIGGERnometry - Arrested for a Meme

00:00:00.000 He looked me straight in the eye and said,

00:00:02.400 Harry, you should understand that common sense

00:00:04.980 is not an appropriate tool for a police officer.

00:00:09.080 This is what happens when you stand in defence

00:00:12.540 of a member of the public whose only alleged crime

00:00:15.940 is posting a flag on Facebook.

00:00:19.960 There was no rationale, no reason, no argument,

00:00:24.260 no appeal to basic humanity, no appeal to history,

00:00:27.500 no appeal to context, no appeal to anything

00:00:30.320 that was going to stop them on their mission

00:00:32.380 to make an arrest over a meme.

00:00:38.280 Is that the case, sir?

00:00:39.760 No, not really. Not really.

00:00:42.480 As far as they're concerned,

00:00:43.980 it doesn't matter if they're on the wrong side of the law,

00:00:46.920 providing in their minds they're on the right side of history.

00:00:49.420 That's the problem that we have.

00:00:57.500 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry.

00:01:06.120 I'm Francis Foster.

00:01:07.580 I'm Constantine Kishin.

00:01:08.700 And this is a show for you

00:01:10.340 if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

00:01:14.320 Our brilliant and returning guest today

00:01:16.440 is a notorious thought criminal, Harry Miller.

00:01:19.100 Welcome back to Trigonometry.

00:01:20.380 Thanks for having me on. This has been fantastic.

00:01:22.180 It was great. I enjoyed it last time.

00:01:23.480 You will note that I'm not wearing the jumper

00:01:26.020 that you so roundly mocked after I was on last time.

00:01:30.400 Did we mock his jumper?

00:01:31.400 Yeah, it was a nice blue piece, I think,

00:01:33.140 with like a maroon sort of cross.

00:01:35.640 And I remember watching your show a few weeks ago

00:01:37.260 and you did mention me

00:01:38.380 and you were quite disparaging about my jumper.

00:01:41.140 So I thought...

00:01:41.780 I don't remember saying anything about your jumper.

00:01:43.760 Much more blunt. I'll find it and show you.

00:01:45.160 Stop slagging off his jumper.

00:01:46.480 It caused me a lot of anxiety.

00:01:48.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:49.140 Well, thank you for not reporting us to the police.

00:01:51.880 But, Harry, we're joking around, of course,

00:01:53.420 and it's great to see you again.

00:01:54.580 I hope you're well.

00:01:55.940 We were actually not going to do any interviews in August at all

00:01:59.280 because we've just come back from a really long trip.

00:02:01.900 We're quite tired.

00:02:02.660 We need a bit of rest and recuperation.

00:02:04.140 But while we were in America,

00:02:06.020 we saw this thing going on with you.

00:02:09.420 And I just can't tell you how unbelievably angry it made me,

00:02:13.080 seeing it, particularly because we were in the US.

00:02:15.120 We were enjoying the freedoms of the country,

00:02:17.680 people being able to say what they think

00:02:19.240 and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:02:20.240 And then we see on social media

00:02:22.980 that you're involved in an incident.

00:02:24.820 We'll get you to talk about it.

00:02:25.940 But essentially where a man is being arrested

00:02:27.780 for sharing a meme on Facebook, right?

00:02:30.220 So just take us through it from the beginning.

00:02:33.120 What's happened?

00:02:35.200 OK, well, sometime earlier this year,

00:02:37.840 Lawrence Fox put as his profile picture

00:02:41.480 this image of four intersectional trans flags

00:02:45.620 which were set so that the vector in them,

00:02:50.060 I think it's the Black Lives Matter vector,

00:02:53.740 the race theory vector,

00:02:56.100 if you position them in a certain way,

00:02:57.600 it gives the impression, perhaps, of a swastika.

00:03:01.760 Now, Lawrence Fox didn't invent this meme.

00:03:04.740 I've seen this meme for the last two or three years.

00:03:07.760 So he's a joke thief.

00:03:09.120 Yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah.

00:03:10.920 It's been around for a long, long time.

00:03:12.320 But nevertheless, Lawrence has got, I don't know,

00:03:13.880 a quarter of a million followers.

00:03:14.860 So when he tweeted this out, it got some traction.

00:03:21.220 An army veteran from Aldershot.

00:03:23.280 30 years service, three tours of duty,

00:03:25.360 a chest filled with medals,

00:03:27.780 including for loyal service, good conduct, etc, etc.

00:03:31.780 I believe that he was a warrant officer.

00:03:34.180 He was a proper sound guy, royal green jacket.

00:03:37.840 On a Facebook forum, a discussion forum

00:03:40.400 called, wait for it, mass debaters.

00:03:43.860 I know what they're doing there.

00:03:45.120 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:45.740 So he put a picture of the flag

00:03:49.100 and all he put underneath it was,

00:03:51.700 what do we think to that?

00:03:53.060 So it was prompting, it was prompting discussion.

00:03:56.960 That was all.

00:03:57.600 So one Sunday morning, about three weeks ago,

00:04:02.100 three police officers,

00:04:03.600 three police officers turned up at his house.

00:04:06.480 He immediately said,

00:04:08.080 is this a crime or is this a non-crime?

00:04:10.600 And they said, it's a crime.

00:04:13.000 So they're like, okie dokie.

00:04:14.240 And they said, what crime?

00:04:15.100 They said, section 127 Communications Act.

00:04:18.120 So sat them down.

00:04:20.040 And this section, for people who are not aware,

00:04:22.160 is about being grossly offensive.

00:04:23.740 Yeah, section 127 of the Communications Act

00:04:26.060 is when you send by electronic means

00:04:29.140 an image or message

00:04:31.920 which is grossly offensive, obscene,

00:04:35.540 or of a highly menacing nature.

00:04:37.220 So there is an objective standard attached to it.

00:04:41.220 It's not based on a subjective feeling.

00:04:44.600 It's what would the person on the Clapham omnibus

00:04:46.840 think about this?

00:04:48.620 Would they think that this is grossly offensive?

00:04:50.900 If the answer is yes,

00:04:52.020 then, you know, it meets the bar.

00:04:54.600 If the answer is, well, it's offensive,

00:04:56.500 but, you know, say what?

00:04:57.680 Then it doesn't meet the bar.

00:04:59.800 So they sat him down and they said,

00:05:03.420 right, okie, these are your options.

00:05:06.680 They pulled out a bit of paper

00:05:07.980 and they said,

00:05:09.220 you can either sign here,

00:05:10.320 this is our community resolution agreement,

00:05:14.860 sign between you and the victim.

00:05:17.020 And he said, well, who is the victim?

00:05:18.840 They said, we don't have to tell you that.

00:05:21.880 Ok.

00:05:22.840 They said it would be against our policy

00:05:24.220 to tell you who the victim is.

00:05:25.500 But nevertheless, you have to sign this.

00:05:27.740 And part of that is that you admit your guilt,

00:05:30.900 you are guilty of a breach of section 127.

00:05:34.600 We will hold it on your record

00:05:36.360 and then we will downgrade your crime to a non-crime.

00:05:39.960 So that's a good thing

00:05:41.180 because that means that, you know,

00:05:43.320 you're not a criminal,

00:05:43.980 but you will be able to release this information

00:05:47.440 about your hateful nature

00:05:49.320 to any potential employer

00:05:51.580 on an enhanced DBS check for the next six years.

00:05:54.880 But in order to help mitigate that,

00:05:56.820 one of the things that you will sign up to do

00:05:58.680 is to go on a course.

00:06:01.640 And he's, yeah, we heard this before.

00:06:05.120 And they said, he said-

00:06:08.180 What's the course called?

00:06:09.100 Well, he said to them,

00:06:10.740 is this a course to check my thinking?

00:06:12.400 Because he was obviously channeling

00:06:14.200 a little bit of me there.

00:06:15.800 And they said, oh no,

00:06:17.120 this is a re-education course

00:06:18.920 to teach you how not to get arrested in the future.

00:06:22.600 So we have a re-education course

00:06:25.640 for people who share memes on Facebook.

00:06:27.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:06:28.740 And one of the things that they told him

00:06:30.040 that he would learn,

00:06:30.640 one of the life skills

00:06:32.240 that these young officers

00:06:34.220 who had a combined age of about 25,

00:06:37.400 said to this sort of 56,

00:06:41.120 54-year-old army veteran,

00:06:42.880 they said, well, for instance,

00:06:44.340 in the future,

00:06:45.280 before you post on social media,

00:06:48.040 you will learn the skill

00:06:48.880 of going to your neighbour

00:06:49.800 and asking them for approval.

00:06:52.900 And if they say it's okay,

00:06:54.420 then the chances are it will be okay.

00:06:56.720 And he said,

00:06:58.060 I'm a 54-year-old man,

00:06:59.760 I'm not asking my neighbours

00:07:00.880 before I go on fucking Facebook.

00:07:03.080 And they said, well...

00:07:03.900 Fair point, well made.

00:07:05.080 They said, well, the alternative then

00:07:07.280 is that we will prosecute you.

00:07:10.260 And he said, well,

00:07:11.680 before we go on,

00:07:12.660 he said, one,

00:07:14.260 I didn't,

00:07:14.780 I'm not the originator of this meme.

00:07:16.920 It's a fella called Lawrence Fox.

00:07:18.780 And they said, that doesn't count.

00:07:20.480 You're the one who posted it

00:07:21.820 and somebody has been caused anxiety

00:07:24.520 based on your post.

00:07:27.420 They said, right, okay,

00:07:28.380 well, there's also this other bloke

00:07:29.800 called Harry Miller.

00:07:30.540 And the High Court

00:07:32.980 and the Court of Appeal

00:07:34.420 have recently said

00:07:35.200 that this sort of recording

00:07:37.180 of non-crime hate incidents

00:07:38.520 is illegal, it's unlawful.

00:07:40.740 And they said,

00:07:41.480 well, has the Court of Appeal

00:07:44.240 written to you?

00:07:45.420 He said, well, no, of course not.

00:07:46.520 He said, well, in that case,

00:07:47.120 it doesn't count.

00:07:48.940 He said, well, that's ridiculous.

00:07:50.760 The court doesn't need to write

00:07:52.160 to me personally

00:07:53.560 for the ruling to apply.

00:07:57.060 They said, no,

00:07:57.680 we're not talking about it.

00:07:58.920 You've got a decision to make.

00:08:00.200 Are you going to sign your guilt away

00:08:01.760 or are we going to prosecute?

00:08:03.300 He said, well,

00:08:03.660 let me have a think about it.

00:08:04.600 So they agreed

00:08:05.380 to come back in 10 days' time,

00:08:07.000 six o'clock on a Thursday night.

00:08:09.440 That's when he got hold of us.

00:08:11.680 So we watched the video

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00:08:15.240 there's videos everywhere.

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00:08:17.560 an attack from ISIS

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00:09:39.140 So we watched the video

00:09:40.420 and I was absolutely stunned.

00:09:42.720 We had to peel my barrister

00:09:44.040 off the floor

00:09:44.580 on several occasions

00:09:45.360 because she kept passing out

00:09:46.640 with the degree of awfulness

00:09:48.840 of this so-called police interview.

00:09:51.140 The first thing,

00:09:51.940 of course,

00:09:52.280 is this,

00:09:53.240 that when you've established

00:09:56.040 that somebody's committed a crime

00:09:57.120 or you suspect

00:09:57.640 somebody's committed a crime,

00:09:58.980 you have to caution them.

00:10:01.100 You have to.

00:10:01.860 It's not an option.

00:10:03.040 You have to do it.

00:10:04.780 They didn't do that at all.

00:10:07.700 This demanding money

00:10:09.580 with menaces,

00:10:10.460 this £60 shakedown,

00:10:12.640 because that's exactly

00:10:13.620 what it was.

00:10:14.260 It was the shakedown.

00:10:16.340 That was entirely wrong.

00:10:18.340 When they,

00:10:18.980 when he said,

00:10:19.480 well, what is Section 127?

00:10:21.000 They couldn't quote it.

00:10:22.660 They were like,

00:10:23.340 they were like toddlers

00:10:24.540 at a pick and mix bar,

00:10:26.540 just hungrily grabbing

00:10:27.980 whatever they could remember.

00:10:29.860 A little bit of Section 127,

00:10:32.240 a little bit of Public Order Act,

00:10:34.260 a little bit of absolute

00:10:35.800 made up nonsense.

00:10:37.140 They didn't know

00:10:38.060 what they were talking about.

00:10:39.320 So that's also

00:10:40.140 very, very worrying.

00:10:42.200 At one point,

00:10:42.920 Mr. Brady said,

00:10:44.600 well, you know,

00:10:45.740 I feel alarmed,

00:10:46.640 harassed and distressed

00:10:47.340 by you being here.

00:10:49.040 And they just ignored it.

00:10:50.260 They just absolutely,

00:10:51.380 just ignored that.

00:10:52.400 It's as though

00:10:52.860 that didn't happen.

00:10:54.900 So we said,

00:10:55.580 right, what should we do?

00:10:56.480 I said, right,

00:10:57.140 I know,

00:10:57.500 I want to give them

00:10:58.080 a little bit of their own medicine.

00:10:59.460 So we're going to turn up.

00:11:00.800 We'll have a bit of a plan,

00:11:01.860 but we'll turn up

00:11:02.500 and we're going to have

00:11:03.540 a bad law project,

00:11:05.100 fair cop,

00:11:06.060 community resolution order

00:11:07.240 that I'm going to ask

00:11:08.060 them to sign.

00:11:09.040 So at an appropriate point,

00:11:09.960 we will burst out

00:11:11.000 and we will say,

00:11:12.220 we accuse you

00:11:13.520 of a breach of pace.

00:11:15.680 We accuse you

00:11:17.020 of harassing this chap.

00:11:18.980 We accuse you

00:11:19.820 of not doing your job.

00:11:21.360 However,

00:11:21.820 he doesn't want to prosecute you

00:11:23.340 and providing you

00:11:24.200 hand over to us

00:11:25.280 a hundred quid

00:11:26.380 and sign away your guilt

00:11:27.840 on this dotted line

00:11:28.760 just here

00:11:29.180 and we'll send you

00:11:30.100 onto a re-education course

00:11:31.440 where we will teach you

00:11:32.800 about the intersectionality

00:11:33.960 between police powers

00:11:34.880 and the actual law

00:11:36.020 and for that hundred quid

00:11:37.060 we'll throw him

00:11:37.440 some sandwiches.

00:11:37.860 And they wouldn't sign it

00:11:39.440 for some unknown reason.

00:11:40.760 So I said,

00:11:41.000 well,

00:11:41.060 if you're not going to take

00:11:41.740 that option,

00:11:42.780 option number two

00:11:43.680 is this.

00:11:44.660 And we handed them over

00:11:45.700 a pre-action letter

00:11:47.300 written by our barrister

00:11:48.400 to hand to their chief constable

00:11:50.160 which listed

00:11:50.800 the entirety

00:11:52.380 of their failures

00:11:53.700 to date.

00:11:54.840 Their reaction was,

00:11:56.100 we're not postmen,

00:11:56.980 take it yourself.

00:11:58.620 And then they tried

00:11:59.600 to dismiss us.

00:12:01.400 I told them

00:12:02.600 about pace,

00:12:04.300 about interviews

00:12:04.800 under caution,

00:12:05.800 et cetera,

00:12:06.180 and they said

00:12:06.620 it didn't count

00:12:07.320 because this wasn't

00:12:08.140 an official interview.

00:12:09.480 And I said,

00:12:09.720 no,

00:12:09.880 of course it's not

00:12:10.320 an official interview.

00:12:11.200 What you're doing,

00:12:12.160 in effect,

00:12:12.960 you've got a workaround system

00:12:14.820 where you don't think

00:12:16.140 you need to caution anybody

00:12:17.340 because you don't expect

00:12:18.880 to make an arrest

00:12:19.760 and you don't expect

00:12:20.900 to have to justify

00:12:21.640 that arrest

00:12:22.200 to a custody sergeant

00:12:23.200 and you don't expect

00:12:24.260 to have to justify

00:12:25.240 the charge

00:12:27.480 to the Crown Prosecution Service

00:12:29.600 and there is no expectation

00:12:31.100 at all

00:12:31.540 of this ever

00:12:32.400 going in front of a judge.

00:12:33.980 So of course

00:12:34.540 you've dispensed

00:12:35.240 with the protocols

00:12:36.100 around investigation

00:12:37.560 because you are conducting

00:12:39.100 a shakedown.

00:12:40.680 You've invented

00:12:41.280 a quasi-system

00:12:43.000 of legal summary justice

00:12:44.800 and of course

00:12:45.920 you're nervous now

00:12:46.700 because we've just

00:12:47.640 burst out of the kitchen

00:12:48.420 with our cameras

00:12:49.000 and we've filmed it

00:12:49.780 all over Facebook

00:12:50.920 and you don't know

00:12:52.160 what to do.

00:12:53.100 So of course

00:12:53.620 that's what happened.

00:12:55.260 Harry,

00:12:55.520 just to put that

00:12:56.180 in simple language

00:12:57.040 for people who are listening

00:12:58.000 who may not be familiar

00:12:58.900 like we're not really,

00:13:00.220 what you're essentially saying

00:13:01.500 is instead of

00:13:02.800 following the procedures

00:13:04.260 that the police

00:13:05.300 are supposed to follow

00:13:06.340 when they're making an arrest

00:13:07.640 or when they're investigating somebody,

00:13:09.660 what they're doing instead

00:13:10.700 is they're using the fear

00:13:12.280 that people rightly have

00:13:14.060 of being arrested

00:13:14.880 by the police

00:13:15.540 for a crime

00:13:16.200 in order to get people

00:13:17.980 to pay a fine

00:13:18.900 and to sign up

00:13:19.680 to some ridiculous

00:13:20.800 re-education course

00:13:21.980 instead of going down

00:13:24.080 the legal route.

00:13:25.300 And they're using that fear

00:13:26.680 to coerce people

00:13:27.840 to take that option.

00:13:29.560 Yeah.

00:13:29.940 And they're relying

00:13:30.940 on the fact that

00:13:31.660 even though the police

00:13:32.960 are entirely ignorant

00:13:33.840 of the law,

00:13:35.760 they at least look like

00:13:37.700 they know what they're talking about.

00:13:38.520 Well, people are going to be

00:13:39.220 worried about the police.

00:13:40.240 Yeah.

00:13:40.540 And most people,

00:13:41.420 most people in this country

00:13:42.900 recognise that the police

00:13:44.320 are the public

00:13:44.780 and the public are the police

00:13:45.860 and that we police by consent.

00:13:48.200 And if a police officer

00:13:49.000 has said I've done something wrong,

00:13:51.080 then there's a fair chance

00:13:51.940 that either I've done something wrong

00:13:53.080 or I've been very close

00:13:54.080 to doing something wrong

00:13:54.780 and I better do as they say.

00:13:59.080 That's what they've been relying on.

00:14:01.060 Now, I don't know

00:14:01.780 whether you noticed

00:14:02.220 but a few weeks ago

00:14:03.020 it was reported in the press

00:14:04.620 that seven out of ten

00:14:05.780 police officers

00:14:06.400 in the Met

00:14:07.400 have not made an arrest this year.

00:14:09.480 Now, I don't know this

00:14:10.940 but I wonder

00:14:11.900 whether at least in part

00:14:13.680 that is because

00:14:14.500 they've been dealing justice

00:14:17.100 by this other means.

00:14:19.800 That they've been dealing justice

00:14:21.520 outside of the judicial

00:14:23.760 and criminal justice system.

00:14:26.500 Because, you know,

00:14:28.700 Hampshire police can say

00:14:30.020 that this was the first time

00:14:31.460 but it wasn't.

00:14:32.320 It's a little bit like

00:14:33.100 when your wife catches you

00:14:34.860 watching porn.

00:14:36.160 Never happened, mate.

00:14:36.980 Yeah, you can pretend

00:14:37.700 it's the first time

00:14:38.480 but everybody knows it wasn't.

00:14:40.420 And this is exactly...

00:14:41.340 I'm looking at you there.

00:14:43.060 This is exactly...

00:14:44.480 He's not even married, mate.

00:14:46.160 Watches too much porn.

00:14:47.280 Exactly.

00:14:48.440 So, I think this is the same thing.

00:14:50.440 I think this has been going on

00:14:51.820 and on and on and on and on.

00:14:53.540 We didn't get lucky

00:14:54.480 on the very first time

00:14:55.520 this had occurred.

00:14:56.640 These officers were fluent in this.

00:14:59.900 Absolutely fluent in this.

00:15:01.920 And that massively worries me.

00:15:04.000 Now, of course,

00:15:04.400 when we confronted them

00:15:05.440 they had no answers.

00:15:07.560 They didn't understand the law.

00:15:08.600 They didn't know

00:15:09.020 what they were doing.

00:15:10.160 And so they instantly started

00:15:11.920 mentioning words like arrest.

00:15:14.480 And it was at that point

00:15:15.520 that I got in the way.

00:15:17.980 I stood...

00:15:18.580 I put myself between

00:15:19.540 the army veteran

00:15:20.660 and the police

00:15:21.460 and said,

00:15:22.520 in order to arrest him

00:15:23.400 you're going to have

00:15:23.800 to come through me.

00:15:25.760 So, they called for backup.

00:15:28.880 Eventually there were

00:15:29.500 seven police officers there.

00:15:32.300 Three, I think,

00:15:33.300 at least three vehicles

00:15:34.420 including a police van.

00:15:37.600 I tried to reason with them.

00:15:39.760 I tried to tell them

00:15:40.380 all the things

00:15:41.000 that they'd done wrong.

00:15:41.780 I tried to tell them

00:15:42.860 about Pace

00:15:43.460 and about protocol

00:15:44.320 and how, after all,

00:15:45.400 this was simply a...

00:15:46.420 This was a meme

00:15:47.480 on Facebook.

00:15:49.440 And the person who'd...

00:15:50.480 The person who'd sort of...

00:15:52.100 Not invented it

00:15:52.980 but had promoted it originally.

00:15:54.420 He was stood right there.

00:15:55.460 Lawrence Fox was stood right there.

00:15:57.740 But they said,

00:15:58.580 we're not interested in him

00:15:59.560 because we're arresting you,

00:16:01.140 Mr Brady,

00:16:01.980 because it's a result

00:16:03.240 of your post

00:16:04.100 that somebody

00:16:04.940 was caused anxiety.

00:16:06.500 And that's why

00:16:07.300 we're arresting.

00:16:08.020 So we're like,

00:16:08.920 anxiety?

00:16:10.460 Since when was

00:16:11.440 Section 127

00:16:12.320 of the Communications Act

00:16:14.220 or, in fact,

00:16:15.280 any act you can think of

00:16:16.860 triggered by

00:16:18.060 somebody feeling anxiety?

00:16:20.000 This is absolute

00:16:21.360 palpable nonsense.

00:16:23.280 So I just stood there

00:16:23.940 and said,

00:16:24.780 you're going to have to...

00:16:25.320 To get to him,

00:16:25.780 you're going to have

00:16:26.180 to go through me.

00:16:28.480 I did advise Mr Brady

00:16:30.240 to get back

00:16:31.320 into his garden

00:16:32.580 and shut the gate.

00:16:35.940 They advised me

00:16:37.220 that I was obstructing

00:16:38.680 an arrest.

00:16:40.020 I told them

00:16:40.700 where to stick it

00:16:41.480 in no uncertain terms.

00:16:43.840 And eventually,

00:16:44.400 there was a big enough

00:16:45.020 guy turned up

00:16:45.900 who said,

00:16:48.180 right, okay,

00:16:48.580 you're going to make

00:16:49.000 an arrest now.

00:16:49.560 And they did.

00:16:50.360 So I got put in handcuffs.

00:16:54.240 Funnily enough,

00:16:54.640 I had to remind them

00:16:55.700 to give me a caution.

00:16:57.520 I said,

00:16:57.780 so am I under arrest then?

00:16:58.460 He said, yeah, yeah.

00:16:58.940 So are you going to

00:16:59.900 give me a caution then?

00:17:01.020 Is anybody going to

00:17:01.880 caution me?

00:17:02.720 And then eventually,

00:17:03.600 somebody remembered

00:17:04.320 what the words

00:17:04.800 of the caution were

00:17:05.500 and actually issued it.

00:17:07.220 And I was taken off.

00:17:08.900 And then with me

00:17:09.720 out of the way,

00:17:10.360 they then arrested

00:17:11.560 Mr Brady.

00:17:12.740 But it was quite sad

00:17:15.160 because there was

00:17:16.320 another guy there,

00:17:17.880 one of Mr Brady's

00:17:20.820 army colleagues,

00:17:22.460 former army colleagues.

00:17:23.500 They've served together,

00:17:24.780 I think,

00:17:25.280 across all three

00:17:26.240 theatres of war

00:17:27.820 that they've been in.

00:17:29.580 And he was just saying,

00:17:30.120 can you not see

00:17:30.560 how wrong this is?

00:17:31.360 Can you not see

00:17:31.820 how wrong this is?

00:17:32.440 We were in Ireland

00:17:34.840 defending the police.

00:17:36.800 We put ourselves

00:17:37.860 as bodyguards

00:17:38.700 between the police

00:17:39.980 and the IRA.

00:17:41.280 And now you're here

00:17:42.540 arresting this veteran,

00:17:45.040 my friend,

00:17:46.420 over a meme.

00:17:49.000 Rick,

00:17:49.220 can you not see

00:17:50.280 how wrong you are?

00:17:51.740 Is there nothing in you

00:17:53.020 that tells you

00:17:53.660 how wrong this is?

00:17:55.360 And they were like

00:17:56.280 dead-eyed sharks.

00:17:57.580 For the first time

00:17:59.160 in my life,

00:18:00.640 I realised,

00:18:01.860 I think,

00:18:02.440 how

00:18:02.820 soldiers,

00:18:07.460 German soldiers

00:18:08.180 in the Second World War

00:18:10.040 were able to march

00:18:12.240 peasants,

00:18:13.900 Jews,

00:18:15.100 dissidents,

00:18:16.600 wrongans,

00:18:17.080 as far as they were concerned,

00:18:18.460 into the woods

00:18:19.200 and shoot them.

00:18:20.780 And simply close their eyes

00:18:22.360 and their minds

00:18:23.320 to the reason,

00:18:25.720 you know,

00:18:26.000 the cause of reason

00:18:27.040 and, you know,

00:18:28.040 is this why you joined

00:18:28.900 the army?

00:18:29.440 Is this what would

00:18:30.240 your mother think?

00:18:31.000 Is this really

00:18:31.640 what you want to do?

00:18:32.540 Because we made

00:18:33.200 all those arguments

00:18:34.140 to the police

00:18:34.980 and they were,

00:18:36.040 it was like looking

00:18:36.760 at dead people.

00:18:38.560 It was like looking

00:18:39.320 at people who were

00:18:39.980 made of flesh and bone

00:18:41.560 but were operating

00:18:42.700 on some kind

00:18:43.420 of automaton chip

00:18:44.980 where the algorithm

00:18:46.400 had been clicked

00:18:47.660 and that was it.

00:18:50.200 There was no rationale,

00:18:52.280 no reason,

00:18:53.180 no argument,

00:18:54.220 no appeal

00:18:54.960 to basic humanity,

00:18:56.060 no appeal

00:18:56.920 to history,

00:18:57.820 no appeal

00:18:58.200 to context,

00:18:59.200 no appeal

00:18:59.560 to anything

00:19:00.300 that was going

00:19:00.960 to stop them

00:19:01.680 on their mission

00:19:02.340 to make an arrest

00:19:03.800 over a meme.

00:19:05.260 It's a new form,

00:19:07.560 it's a new form

00:19:08.780 of tragic.

00:19:09.860 Now I remember

00:19:10.160 when I was last

00:19:10.700 on your show,

00:19:11.560 you closed the show

00:19:13.060 and asked,

00:19:14.060 what's the question

00:19:14.580 that you ask?

00:19:15.060 Is there anything

00:19:15.600 that's...

00:19:16.300 What's the one thing

00:19:17.080 we're not talking about

00:19:18.260 that we really should be?

00:19:19.340 Yeah,

00:19:19.660 and I said

00:19:20.600 how absolutely shit

00:19:21.940 the rainbow is.

00:19:22.960 The rainbow,

00:19:23.620 that rainbow symbol

00:19:24.660 which used to be

00:19:27.100 a great symbol

00:19:28.100 of hope

00:19:28.520 for lesbians,

00:19:30.020 gays and bi people,

00:19:31.940 I now equate it

00:19:33.680 to...

00:19:34.800 I think it's so corrupted

00:19:37.020 that I now equate it

00:19:39.180 to a swastika.

00:19:41.020 Well that shouldn't

00:19:43.320 upset anyone.

00:19:45.160 That's not going

00:19:46.160 to trigger people!

00:19:47.640 To me,

00:19:48.220 it has the same

00:19:49.560 visceral,

00:19:50.380 the same visceral reaction

00:19:52.220 because it speaks

00:19:53.800 of an ideology

00:19:54.760 which I think

00:19:56.080 is insidious,

00:19:58.380 dangerous

00:19:58.920 and which is

00:20:00.600 just sweeping

00:20:01.980 through organisations

00:20:03.820 like a censor.

00:20:04.540 Breathe,

00:20:04.720 breathe, Francis,

00:20:05.340 breathe.

00:20:05.460 If that sound

00:20:06.060 you can hear,

00:20:06.660 is the internet

00:20:07.200 going into fucking

00:20:08.400 meltdown?

00:20:09.220 And I remember

00:20:11.600 you saying

00:20:11.920 oh my goodness

00:20:12.460 you'll crash

00:20:12.840 the internet

00:20:13.220 saying that

00:20:13.700 but I think

00:20:14.220 I think I've been

00:20:16.220 proven right

00:20:16.840 except I don't think

00:20:17.560 it's the rainbow flag.

00:20:18.340 I think I was wrong

00:20:18.840 about that.

00:20:19.660 I think the actual

00:20:20.340 rainbow flag

00:20:21.240 is quite benign

00:20:23.180 actually.

00:20:24.360 I don't really

00:20:24.860 have a massive

00:20:25.360 problem with

00:20:26.560 the rainbow flag.

00:20:27.700 What I have

00:20:28.000 a huge problem

00:20:28.720 with is

00:20:29.580 the intersectional

00:20:31.160 flag

00:20:31.780 which is

00:20:33.100 during Pride Month

00:20:35.180 in London

00:20:35.740 it was like

00:20:37.080 they were preparing

00:20:37.560 for a Nuremberg rally.

00:20:38.520 it was everywhere.

00:20:39.760 I was staying

00:20:40.220 in Wembley Park

00:20:42.100 this week

00:20:43.800 and every doorway

00:20:45.100 has got the

00:20:45.820 intersectional flag

00:20:46.560 on it.

00:20:47.320 Up and down the street

00:20:48.000 there's the flags

00:20:48.520 everywhere.

00:20:49.840 And I think

00:20:50.800 they do it

00:20:51.540 in order to make

00:20:52.340 you believe

00:20:52.840 that resistance

00:20:53.380 is futile.

00:20:54.780 That this is so

00:20:55.540 established and

00:20:56.400 embedded within

00:20:57.060 our culture now.

00:20:57.660 It's so accepted

00:20:58.440 within our culture

00:20:59.700 that any form

00:21:00.740 of resistance

00:21:01.280 is futile

00:21:02.920 and it's wrong

00:21:03.980 and it puts you

00:21:04.520 on the wrong

00:21:04.980 side of history.

00:21:07.500 That's the problem.

00:21:09.420 And so

00:21:09.680 I think I was

00:21:11.200 absolutely right.

00:21:12.500 I got the flag wrong

00:21:13.260 but I think

00:21:14.460 the intersectional flag

00:21:15.380 is as close

00:21:16.120 to the swastika

00:21:17.920 as I can think.

00:21:20.580 Now

00:21:20.680 the problem is

00:21:21.900 people always

00:21:22.700 invoke

00:21:23.420 is it Godwin's law

00:21:24.340 and say

00:21:24.720 the second that you

00:21:25.480 mention Hitler

00:21:26.500 you've lost the argument.

00:21:27.900 Well I think

00:21:28.220 that's a cheap

00:21:28.720 and very lazy

00:21:29.420 argument in actual fact

00:21:30.620 because the problem

00:21:31.740 is most people

00:21:32.540 when they think

00:21:33.180 of Nazism

00:21:34.660 they think

00:21:35.540 of that period

00:21:36.120 1943 to 1945

00:21:37.560 which was

00:21:39.060 the height

00:21:39.720 of the death camps

00:21:40.960 and the extermination

00:21:42.620 of the Jews.

00:21:43.560 When I talk

00:21:44.160 about Nazism

00:21:44.860 what I'm talking

00:21:45.540 about is

00:21:46.420 the 1920s

00:21:47.600 and the early

00:21:48.380 1930s

00:21:49.180 because that's

00:21:50.140 where the rot

00:21:50.940 starts.

00:21:52.240 That's where

00:21:52.640 the rot starts.

00:21:53.960 By the time

00:21:54.700 you get to

00:21:55.260 Auschwitz

00:21:56.120 and invading

00:21:56.820 Poland

00:21:57.220 and all that

00:21:58.160 kind of stuff

00:21:58.780 it's over.

00:22:00.280 It's game over.

00:22:01.880 So what you need

00:22:02.540 to do

00:22:02.840 those of us

00:22:03.900 who are wise

00:22:04.500 need to look

00:22:05.800 at the warning signs

00:22:06.840 early on

00:22:07.600 and cry out

00:22:08.940 early on

00:22:09.880 and saying

00:22:10.640 this is simply wrong.

00:22:12.780 This is fascism

00:22:14.260 wrapped up

00:22:15.100 in a rainbow.

00:22:16.420 This is a form

00:22:17.800 of social architecture

00:22:19.480 which will stand

00:22:20.840 no criticism

00:22:22.080 no mockery

00:22:23.320 whatsoever

00:22:24.020 and if you do so

00:22:25.320 you do it

00:22:26.100 at your peril

00:22:26.620 you will end up

00:22:27.660 on a list

00:22:28.640 of hate

00:22:29.320 you run

00:22:31.040 the risk

00:22:31.380 of being

00:22:31.820 arrested

00:22:32.380 you run

00:22:33.200 the risk

00:22:33.560 of being

00:22:33.840 thrown in

00:22:34.320 jail

00:22:34.620 you run

00:22:35.360 the risk

00:22:35.720 of all

00:22:36.200 sort

00:22:36.640 of state

00:22:37.460 intervention.

00:22:38.580 Now

00:22:38.720 that as far

00:22:39.600 as I'm

00:22:39.940 concerned

00:22:40.380 is far

00:22:41.880 too close

00:22:42.620 to fascism

00:22:43.880 it's far

00:22:44.660 too close

00:22:45.280 to Stalinism

00:22:46.220 and Maoism

00:22:47.180 than I want

00:22:48.020 to be

00:22:48.280 and I think

00:22:49.100 it was after

00:22:51.080 I'd been on

00:22:51.580 your show

00:22:51.900 last time

00:22:52.420 the High

00:22:54.000 Court

00:22:54.200 hadn't given

00:22:54.800 their ruling

00:22:55.400 when I was

00:22:55.800 on your show

00:22:56.340 but if you

00:22:57.300 remember

00:22:57.580 when they did

00:22:58.500 eventually

00:22:58.840 give their

00:22:59.260 ruling

00:22:59.520 in the case

00:22:59.960 of Humberside

00:23:00.540 police's

00:23:01.220 action

00:23:01.720 toward me

00:23:02.300 in a very

00:23:03.260 very long

00:23:03.860 and significant

00:23:04.760 judgment

00:23:05.240 the High Court

00:23:06.880 Judge

00:23:07.700 Mr Justice

00:23:08.360 Knowles

00:23:08.940 rounded off

00:23:10.380 by saying

00:23:11.240 we have never

00:23:11.980 had a Stasi

00:23:12.700 a Cheka

00:23:13.520 or a Gestapo

00:23:14.520 we do not

00:23:15.620 live in an

00:23:16.360 Orwellian

00:23:16.800 society

00:23:17.400 now at the

00:23:18.420 time

00:23:18.720 people said

00:23:19.560 that he

00:23:19.860 was using

00:23:21.160 hyperbole

00:23:21.860 I don't

00:23:22.740 think he

00:23:22.960 was

00:23:23.220 I think

00:23:24.140 he saw

00:23:24.760 very clearly

00:23:25.680 the direction

00:23:26.800 of travel

00:23:27.480 and there is

00:23:28.360 nothing that has

00:23:29.060 happened since

00:23:29.860 that has

00:23:30.980 even begun

00:23:31.920 to dissuade

00:23:33.080 me

00:23:33.340 that that

00:23:34.260 opinion

00:23:34.620 was absolutely

00:23:35.460 correct

00:23:35.860 I think

00:23:36.280 it's

00:23:36.600 terrifying

00:23:37.940 Harry

00:23:39.300 how have we

00:23:39.800 come to this

00:23:40.360 point

00:23:40.620 how have we

00:23:41.320 come to this

00:23:41.900 point where

00:23:42.280 people are

00:23:42.880 literally being

00:23:43.560 arrested for

00:23:44.320 memes

00:23:44.580 how have we

00:23:45.120 descended to

00:23:46.080 this

00:23:46.400 I don't know

00:23:49.980 I think

00:23:50.680 part of it

00:23:51.780 stems from

00:23:53.600 I think it was

00:23:54.520 the 2002

00:23:55.320 Police Act

00:23:56.740 changed the

00:23:58.100 oath of attestation

00:23:59.140 that every police

00:24:00.460 every Bobby

00:24:01.540 swears

00:24:02.540 to the Queen

00:24:03.540 okay

00:24:04.460 now prior to

00:24:05.760 2002

00:24:06.260 you'd swear to

00:24:07.100 the Queen

00:24:07.420 to keep her

00:24:08.060 peace

00:24:08.340 keep the Queen's

00:24:08.940 peace

00:24:09.200 and to

00:24:09.960 uphold the

00:24:10.500 law

00:24:10.720 without fear

00:24:11.400 or favour

00:24:11.800 in 2002

00:24:13.440 there was a

00:24:14.440 subtle change

00:24:15.100 so it's

00:24:16.060 upholding the

00:24:16.560 Queen's peace

00:24:17.180 upholding the

00:24:17.920 law

00:24:18.160 and human

00:24:19.220 rights

00:24:19.620 it's like

00:24:21.140 hold on a

00:24:21.820 minute

00:24:21.980 that sounds

00:24:23.100 good

00:24:23.440 but why do

00:24:24.280 we need to

00:24:24.660 have this

00:24:25.160 addition of

00:24:26.320 and human

00:24:27.720 rights

00:24:28.340 in the oath

00:24:29.160 what's wrong

00:24:30.140 with simply

00:24:30.780 the law

00:24:31.620 because if

00:24:32.500 there's a

00:24:32.840 human right

00:24:33.660 that if the

00:24:34.760 human right

00:24:35.160 is within

00:24:35.820 the law

00:24:36.380 then we

00:24:37.160 don't need

00:24:37.500 to say

00:24:37.780 and human

00:24:38.280 rights

00:24:38.740 and if

00:24:39.560 the human

00:24:39.920 rights are

00:24:40.540 outside of

00:24:41.480 the law

00:24:41.840 then by

00:24:42.780 definition

00:24:43.280 it's contested

00:24:44.720 and it's

00:24:45.260 therefore

00:24:45.660 political

00:24:46.360 so we've

00:24:47.660 given the

00:24:48.220 police

00:24:48.760 a virtual

00:24:51.080 obligation

00:24:51.800 to listen

00:24:53.280 to those

00:24:54.080 human rights

00:24:55.100 organisations

00:24:55.760 who have

00:24:56.760 the most

00:24:57.160 influence

00:24:57.580 who are

00:24:57.900 shouting

00:24:58.200 the loudest

00:24:59.060 and for

00:24:59.780 them then

00:25:00.160 to adopt

00:25:00.860 the policy

00:25:01.980 as though it

00:25:02.940 were law

00:25:03.540 and uphold

00:25:04.360 it as though

00:25:05.040 it were law

00:25:05.760 of those

00:25:06.500 human rights

00:25:07.060 organisations

00:25:07.680 one of those

00:25:08.600 organisations

00:25:09.140 is of course

00:25:10.140 Stonewall

00:25:11.120 and Stonewall

00:25:12.140 have been saying

00:25:12.700 for a long

00:25:13.120 time that

00:25:14.340 trans rights

00:25:16.220 are human

00:25:16.640 rights

00:25:16.980 that trans

00:25:17.640 women are

00:25:19.560 women

00:25:19.960 that gender

00:25:20.840 identity

00:25:21.480 trumps

00:25:22.340 sex

00:25:23.140 but worse

00:25:24.020 than that

00:25:24.480 that anybody

00:25:25.700 that disagrees

00:25:27.780 that anybody

00:25:28.580 that doesn't

00:25:29.080 accept

00:25:29.640 these statements

00:25:30.640 of fact

00:25:31.280 are de facto

00:25:32.500 haters

00:25:32.980 and not only

00:25:34.520 that

00:25:34.800 saying it

00:25:35.940 is they

00:25:37.160 call it

00:25:37.540 antilocution

00:25:38.360 and to express

00:25:39.960 to express

00:25:41.480 dissent

00:25:42.160 or disagreement

00:25:43.180 disapproval

00:25:44.260 or disbelief

00:25:45.320 to these

00:25:46.260 managers

00:25:46.620 is to be

00:25:48.300 on step

00:25:48.840 one

00:25:49.360 on a

00:25:50.100 five-step

00:25:51.040 journey

00:25:51.780 to genocide

00:25:53.540 that's what

00:25:55.040 it says

00:25:55.260 it's called

00:25:55.620 it's called

00:25:56.360 the Olport

00:25:57.040 scale

00:25:57.720 where

00:25:58.600 hurty words

00:25:59.740 lead to

00:26:00.940 hurty violence

00:26:02.080 which leads

00:26:03.040 to murder

00:26:04.000 which leads

00:26:05.300 to genocide

00:26:06.400 and they are

00:26:07.720 100%

00:26:09.260 committed

00:26:10.040 to this

00:26:11.020 to this

00:26:11.720 trajectory

00:26:12.620 do you think

00:26:14.000 part of the

00:26:14.500 problem was

00:26:15.100 obviously the

00:26:15.900 Met made

00:26:16.460 such a horrendous

00:26:17.680 mess of the

00:26:18.400 Stephen Lawrence

00:26:19.000 murder

00:26:19.380 and then it was

00:26:20.340 then found to be

00:26:21.080 institutionally racist

00:26:22.280 by I think it was

00:26:23.040 a McPherson report

00:26:24.040 yeah

00:26:24.240 do you think

00:26:25.380 this is

00:26:25.780 and what

00:26:26.880 they've done

00:26:27.380 is they're

00:26:27.960 trying to

00:26:28.500 overcorrect

00:26:29.540 yes

00:26:30.160 that's that's

00:26:31.200 exactly it

00:26:31.800 so what we

00:26:32.320 have we have

00:26:32.900 a problem

00:26:33.340 of we have

00:26:35.400 a problem

00:26:35.680 of this

00:26:36.080 this human

00:26:36.900 rights element

00:26:37.700 where they're

00:26:38.500 committed to

00:26:39.080 that and

00:26:39.920 then we have

00:26:40.320 a problem

00:26:40.940 of institutional

00:26:41.980 guilt

00:26:43.100 where you

00:26:44.520 know they

00:26:44.800 were they

00:26:45.360 were perhaps

00:26:45.840 behind the

00:26:46.720 curve in

00:26:47.900 the past

00:26:48.420 and now

00:26:49.360 rather than

00:26:49.740 being on

00:26:50.180 point they're

00:26:51.320 trying all

00:26:51.980 the time to

00:26:52.760 get ahead

00:26:53.500 of the curve

00:26:54.360 so as far

00:26:56.260 as they're

00:26:56.580 concerned

00:26:57.020 it doesn't

00:26:57.940 matter if

00:26:58.620 they're on

00:26:58.980 the wrong

00:26:59.220 side of

00:26:59.540 the law

00:26:59.900 providing in

00:27:00.840 their minds

00:27:01.300 they're on

00:27:01.520 the right

00:27:01.780 side of

00:27:02.120 history

00:27:02.440 that's the

00:27:03.360 problem

00:27:03.680 that we

00:27:04.260 have

00:27:04.500 that eventually

00:27:05.500 the law

00:27:06.080 will catch

00:27:06.680 up with

00:27:07.040 them

00:27:07.160 that is

00:27:09.300 the problem

00:27:10.400 they police

00:27:11.880 according to

00:27:13.040 a law

00:27:13.540 that they

00:27:14.080 hope to be

00:27:14.900 rather than

00:27:15.880 policing

00:27:16.280 according to

00:27:17.160 the law

00:27:17.480 as it is

00:27:18.380 that is very

00:27:19.340 very worrying

00:27:19.780 Harry

00:27:20.100 but you're

00:27:20.960 I mean

00:27:21.520 that's a

00:27:21.860 fascinating

00:27:22.300 insight

00:27:22.700 actually

00:27:23.120 I hadn't

00:27:23.820 thought about

00:27:24.200 it like

00:27:24.440 that

00:27:24.700 but you're

00:27:25.480 a former

00:27:25.860 police

00:27:26.240 officer

00:27:26.580 right

00:27:26.820 how is it

00:27:30.160 that the

00:27:30.760 people who

00:27:31.180 are doing

00:27:31.600 this and

00:27:32.160 the police

00:27:32.760 chief

00:27:33.300 constables

00:27:33.860 and the

00:27:34.240 people who

00:27:34.560 are in

00:27:34.820 charge

00:27:35.240 how is it

00:27:36.720 that they're

00:27:37.320 not seeing

00:27:37.860 what they're

00:27:38.340 doing

00:27:38.600 how do

00:27:39.540 they not

00:27:40.420 see that

00:27:41.060 arresting

00:27:41.740 people for

00:27:42.280 sharing

00:27:42.640 memes

00:27:43.120 may be

00:27:44.200 crossing

00:27:44.660 a line

00:27:45.700 because in

00:27:47.200 their minds

00:27:47.780 they're preventing

00:27:48.320 genocide

00:27:48.820 that's it

00:27:49.840 when we

00:27:50.300 asked

00:27:50.940 why have

00:27:52.040 you intervened

00:27:52.840 in Harry

00:27:53.520 Miller

00:27:53.820 posting a

00:27:54.760 limerick

00:27:55.180 they said

00:27:56.280 because of

00:27:57.160 Stephen Lawrence

00:27:57.700 that was their

00:27:59.040 one and only

00:28:00.420 answer

00:28:01.080 and I said

00:28:02.760 well

00:28:03.060 Stephen Lawrence

00:28:03.940 wasn't murdered

00:28:04.460 because of

00:28:04.780 memes

00:28:05.080 no he wasn't

00:28:06.460 but in

00:28:06.860 according to

00:28:08.180 the Alport

00:28:08.660 scale

00:28:09.160 the scale

00:28:09.960 of escalating

00:28:10.740 violence

00:28:11.440 you can

00:28:12.840 trace

00:28:13.420 you can trace

00:28:14.880 violence

00:28:15.860 murder

00:28:16.360 and genocide

00:28:17.260 to

00:28:18.340 controversial

00:28:19.640 speech

00:28:20.080 and this

00:28:20.640 is how

00:28:20.900 you get

00:28:21.300 to

00:28:21.700 you know

00:28:22.220 if someone

00:28:22.500 says the

00:28:22.860 wrong thing

00:28:23.260 they should

00:28:23.600 be prosecuted

00:28:24.860 because you're

00:28:25.680 stopping a

00:28:26.160 genocide

00:28:26.460 yeah

00:28:26.860 so you have

00:28:27.920 you have

00:28:28.280 pre-crime

00:28:28.920 which is what

00:28:30.460 I committed

00:28:31.060 otherwise known

00:28:32.000 as non-crime

00:28:32.860 a non-crime

00:28:33.880 hate incident

00:28:34.460 based on the

00:28:35.360 perception of

00:28:36.020 somebody else

00:28:36.840 or a police

00:28:37.860 officer

00:28:38.220 that's handy

00:28:39.180 isn't it

00:28:39.560 and without

00:28:42.240 intervention

00:28:42.900 this will

00:28:44.160 escalate

00:28:44.980 to

00:28:45.420 the death

00:28:46.720 of Stephen

00:28:47.100 Lawrence

00:28:47.380 as I

00:28:48.180 pointed out

00:28:48.660 to the

00:28:48.960 police

00:28:49.280 I think

00:28:49.840 you're a

00:28:50.020 little bit

00:28:50.280 late

00:28:50.580 Stephen

00:28:51.140 Lawrence

00:28:51.380 is already

00:28:51.800 dead

00:28:52.100 but never

00:28:53.220 never mind

00:28:53.740 they've

00:28:54.100 taken

00:28:54.480 this notion

00:28:55.600 of

00:28:56.160 escalation

00:28:57.040 and they

00:28:58.160 do not

00:28:58.580 apply

00:28:58.840 common sense

00:28:59.180 now

00:28:59.380 why don't

00:28:59.920 you

00:29:00.040 you mentioned

00:29:00.600 common sense

00:29:01.400 following the

00:29:03.840 the high court

00:29:04.680 victory against

00:29:05.420 homicide police

00:29:06.340 I had

00:29:06.840 I had coffee

00:29:07.880 with the chief

00:29:08.420 constable

00:29:08.940 of

00:29:09.660 Humberside

00:29:10.540 and you

00:29:11.840 know

00:29:11.960 he was

00:29:12.340 he was

00:29:12.740 very

00:29:13.000 apologetic

00:29:13.760 in a

00:29:14.040 fairly

00:29:14.220 dead-eyed

00:29:14.720 way

00:29:15.580 he didn't

00:29:16.920 behave like

00:29:17.540 a man

00:29:18.020 who'd

00:29:19.180 understood

00:29:19.480 the full

00:29:19.940 import

00:29:20.520 of being

00:29:21.060 compared to

00:29:21.780 the stars

00:29:22.600 of the

00:29:22.820 checker

00:29:23.100 and the

00:29:23.520 Gestapo

00:29:23.980 I mean

00:29:24.720 one of

00:29:25.020 them

00:29:25.160 fair enough

00:29:25.600 but all

00:29:25.920 three

00:29:26.220 that's

00:29:26.740 terrible

00:29:27.080 it's

00:29:27.500 a little

00:29:27.700 bit like

00:29:28.160 a health

00:29:28.760 service

00:29:29.080 being

00:29:29.360 compared

00:29:29.680 to

00:29:30.280 Beverly

00:29:30.720 Allett

00:29:31.060 Joseph

00:29:31.600 Mengele

00:29:32.080 and

00:29:32.840 Harold

00:29:33.200 Shipman

00:29:33.620 isn't

00:29:34.040 it

00:29:34.260 it

00:29:35.440 didn't

00:29:35.880 seem

00:29:36.200 to

00:29:36.500 have

00:29:36.880 any

00:29:37.060 emotional

00:29:37.700 impact

00:29:38.540 on

00:29:38.760 him

00:29:38.940 whatsoever

00:29:39.880 and

00:29:41.160 I said

00:29:41.780 to him

00:29:42.000 I said

00:29:42.200 look Lee

00:29:42.860 I kind

00:29:43.440 of get

00:29:43.860 why a

00:29:44.420 young

00:29:44.780 officer

00:29:45.360 who's

00:29:46.260 just been

00:29:46.540 on a

00:29:46.760 course

00:29:47.240 overreacts

00:29:48.520 to something

00:29:49.340 but when

00:29:49.960 the world's

00:29:50.460 press

00:29:50.920 turned

00:29:52.040 on Humberside

00:29:52.920 why did

00:29:53.600 somebody

00:29:54.040 up the

00:29:54.440 chain of

00:29:54.780 command

00:29:55.100 not apply

00:29:56.080 some

00:29:56.300 common

00:29:56.560 sense

00:29:57.000 he looked

00:29:58.320 me

00:29:58.580 straight in

00:29:59.260 the eye

00:29:59.560 and said

00:29:59.900 Harry

00:30:00.200 you should

00:30:00.960 understand

00:30:01.420 that common

00:30:02.120 sense

00:30:02.520 is not

00:30:03.380 an appropriate

00:30:03.960 tool

00:30:04.400 for a

00:30:04.920 police

00:30:05.120 officer

00:30:05.520 because

00:30:06.840 it leads

00:30:07.440 to

00:30:07.620 unpredictable

00:30:08.240 outcomes

00:30:08.760 what we

00:30:09.720 need

00:30:10.100 is more

00:30:10.760 guidance

00:30:11.260 that for

00:30:12.560 me

00:30:12.840 is as

00:30:13.520 terrifying

00:30:13.940 a statement

00:30:14.520 as I've

00:30:15.340 ever heard

00:30:15.900 of course

00:30:17.600 we want

00:30:18.240 police officers

00:30:19.120 to have

00:30:19.920 common sense

00:30:20.960 but even

00:30:22.440 worse

00:30:23.000 our entire

00:30:24.000 relationship

00:30:25.820 with the

00:30:26.660 police

00:30:27.020 and with

00:30:27.320 the law

00:30:27.680 is based

00:30:28.540 on common

00:30:29.000 sense

00:30:29.420 we operate

00:30:30.820 as free

00:30:31.840 people

00:30:32.280 who are

00:30:32.680 free

00:30:33.100 to think

00:30:34.240 to speak

00:30:35.240 to speak

00:30:35.260 and to

00:30:35.980 do

00:30:36.260 right up

00:30:37.140 until

00:30:37.360 a specific

00:30:38.420 point

00:30:38.960 clearly

00:30:39.740 defined

00:30:40.120 at law

00:30:40.460 where the

00:30:40.780 law says

00:30:41.200 this far

00:30:42.020 and no

00:30:42.960 further

00:30:43.380 now that

00:30:44.560 is based

00:30:45.440 on a

00:30:46.420 benign

00:30:46.980 common

00:30:47.480 sense

00:30:47.960 there's an

00:30:48.800 assumption

00:30:49.200 that I'm

00:30:49.920 not just

00:30:50.260 going to

00:30:50.620 come up

00:30:51.280 and gratuitously

00:30:52.300 punch you

00:30:52.920 in the face

00:30:53.560 okay

00:30:54.420 it assumes

00:30:55.520 that we

00:30:56.360 are by

00:30:56.740 nature

00:30:57.300 good people

00:30:58.580 that we

00:30:59.020 are by

00:30:59.360 nature

00:30:59.720 sociable

00:31:00.640 people

00:31:01.060 that we

00:31:02.020 have by

00:31:02.540 nature

00:31:03.060 a

00:31:03.520 utilitarian

00:31:04.280 understanding

00:31:05.600 of life

00:31:07.020 in Europe

00:31:09.220 of course

00:31:09.600 they operate

00:31:10.160 on a

00:31:10.400 different

00:31:10.580 system

00:31:10.880 they operate

00:31:11.300 on a

00:31:11.520 system

00:31:11.740 of

00:31:11.900 permissions

00:31:12.300 where the

00:31:13.040 state

00:31:13.260 allows you

00:31:14.120 to think

00:31:14.780 to speak

00:31:15.500 and to

00:31:16.100 do

00:31:16.340 so I

00:31:17.900 think

00:31:18.040 one of

00:31:18.360 the things

00:31:18.500 that we've

00:31:18.840 done

00:31:19.160 we've

00:31:19.960 imported

00:31:20.960 a European

00:31:22.520 mentality

00:31:23.560 when it

00:31:23.980 comes to

00:31:24.760 policing

00:31:25.320 and that's

00:31:26.360 why

00:31:26.580 common

00:31:26.920 sense

00:31:27.400 is nothing

00:31:28.140 and guidance

00:31:29.120 is everything

00:31:30.500 that I

00:31:32.640 think

00:31:32.920 is the

00:31:34.360 nub of

00:31:35.600 the problem

00:31:36.020 and Harry

00:31:36.780 there's also

00:31:37.220 the flip

00:31:37.700 side to

00:31:38.140 this

00:31:38.320 which is

00:31:38.680 the police

00:31:39.440 are failing

00:31:40.040 in their

00:31:40.440 basic duties

00:31:41.540 to investigate

00:31:43.180 prosecute

00:31:44.780 and imprison

00:31:45.400 criminals

00:31:45.900 they're just

00:31:46.400 not doing

00:31:47.000 it

00:31:47.380 I'll give

00:31:48.140 you an

00:31:48.320 example

00:31:48.680 so my

00:31:49.280 parents

00:31:49.620 house

00:31:49.920 got

00:31:50.120 burgled

00:31:50.440 my

00:31:50.620 parents

00:31:50.900 are very

00:31:51.240 elderly

00:31:51.560 my

00:31:51.780 mum's

00:31:52.040 disabled

00:31:52.460 they're

00:31:53.060 both

00:31:53.280 in their

00:31:53.540 late

00:31:53.720 70s

00:31:54.180 my

00:31:54.320 father's

00:31:54.720 a

00:31:54.820 full-time

00:31:55.180 carer

00:31:55.480 for

00:31:55.600 my

00:31:55.740 mother

00:31:55.980 they

00:31:56.780 were

00:31:56.940 out

00:31:57.220 doing

00:31:58.660 a bit

00:31:58.900 of

00:31:59.000 shopping

00:31:59.300 they

00:31:59.500 came

00:31:59.740 back

00:31:59.960 dad

00:32:00.220 came

00:32:00.460 back

00:32:00.680 disrupted

00:32:01.260 these

00:32:01.640 burglars

00:32:02.120 they

00:32:02.880 literally

00:32:03.220 ran

00:32:03.640 past

00:32:04.080 him

00:32:04.280 thank

00:32:04.600 the

00:32:04.760 lord

00:32:04.960 they

00:32:05.160 did

00:32:05.360 because

00:32:05.620 if

00:32:05.800 they

00:32:05.900 knocked

00:32:06.280 him

00:32:06.460 over

00:32:06.720 he

00:32:06.920 could

00:32:07.240 have

00:32:07.340 literally

00:32:07.580 been

00:32:07.780 killed

00:32:08.100 and they

00:32:08.980 ran out

00:32:09.940 and they

00:32:10.240 took

00:32:10.520 my

00:32:11.100 mum's

00:32:12.480 jewellery

00:32:12.840 and some

00:32:13.200 of her

00:32:13.440 mum's

00:32:13.780 jewellery

00:32:14.120 which is

00:32:14.760 the only

00:32:15.000 thing she

00:32:15.340 has to

00:32:15.600 remember

00:32:15.900 her by

00:32:16.240 and they

00:32:16.680 stole

00:32:16.980 it

00:32:17.140 thousands

00:32:17.560 of

00:32:17.780 pounds

00:32:18.000 worth

00:32:18.320 my

00:32:19.180 dad

00:32:19.440 called

00:32:19.700 the

00:32:19.860 police

00:32:20.100 they

00:32:20.300 came

00:32:20.520 round

00:32:20.800 did

00:32:21.200 nothing

00:32:21.580 if not

00:32:21.920 a

00:32:22.140 cursory

00:32:22.660 glance

00:32:23.180 went

00:32:24.400 right

00:32:30.220 away

00:32:30.500 five

00:32:30.800 minutes

00:32:31.060 later

00:32:31.320 my

00:32:31.540 dad

00:32:31.720 received

00:32:32.060 an

00:32:32.200 email

00:32:32.400 in

00:32:32.560 his

00:32:32.680 inbox

00:32:33.040 saying

00:32:33.620 the

00:32:33.780 case

00:32:34.020 was

00:32:34.180 closed

00:32:34.500 and

00:32:34.700 here's

00:32:34.900 your

00:32:35.000 crime

00:32:35.200 reference

00:32:35.560 number

00:32:35.800 for

00:32:35.980 insurance

00:32:36.340 purposes

00:32:36.820 there

00:32:37.180 was an

00:32:37.400 article

00:32:37.700 the other

00:32:38.000 day

00:32:38.300 that shows

00:32:38.760 that's

00:32:39.380 tragic

00:32:39.700 by the

00:32:40.000 way

00:32:40.160 yeah

00:32:40.420 but

00:32:40.840 I

00:32:41.800 think

00:32:42.080 prosecutions

00:32:42.940 or

00:32:43.160 convictions

00:32:43.620 one of

00:32:44.220 the

00:32:44.320 two

00:32:44.620 for

00:32:45.120 crimes

00:32:45.500 of that

00:32:45.860 nature

00:32:46.240 are in

00:32:46.620 single

00:32:46.960 digits

00:32:47.340 in

00:32:47.540 this

00:32:47.660 country

00:32:47.980 so

00:32:48.520 you've

00:32:48.800 got

00:32:49.080 the

00:32:49.720 police

00:32:49.960 completely

00:32:50.440 failing

00:32:50.860 as

00:32:51.020 Francis

00:32:51.300 says

00:32:51.580 in

00:32:51.740 their

00:32:51.940 duty

00:32:52.280 to

00:32:52.580 the

00:32:52.760 citizens

00:32:53.200 in

00:32:53.960 terms

00:32:54.340 of

00:32:54.460 dealing

00:32:54.640 with

00:32:54.820 actual

00:32:55.420 crime

00:32:55.900 yet

00:32:56.500 they're

00:32:56.800 able

00:32:56.980 to

00:32:57.180 send

00:32:57.360 three

00:32:57.640 vehicles

00:32:58.200 and

00:32:58.460 seven

00:32:58.840 officers

00:32:59.560 to

00:33:00.340 arrest

00:33:00.640 a guy

00:33:00.940 for

00:33:01.180 a

00:33:01.300 mean

00:33:01.540 does

00:33:03.880 that make

00:33:04.500 any sense

00:33:05.720 to anyone

00:33:06.200 no

00:33:06.980 well

00:33:07.220 yes

00:33:07.600 it does

00:33:07.880 make

00:33:08.060 sense

00:33:08.400 if you

00:33:08.840 understand

00:33:09.200 that

00:33:09.440 our

00:33:09.640 police

00:33:10.040 are

00:33:10.700 engaged

00:33:11.280 in

00:33:11.680 the

00:33:11.920 promotion

00:33:12.240 of

00:33:12.400 an

00:33:12.480 ideology

00:33:12.920 so

00:33:13.940 quite

00:33:15.000 interesting

00:33:15.460 you say

00:33:15.780 your mum

00:33:16.700 was

00:33:17.040 disabled

00:33:17.840 so

00:33:19.120 disability

00:33:20.020 is one

00:33:20.500 of the

00:33:20.680 five

00:33:22.020 monitors

00:33:22.360 strands

00:33:22.860 but

00:33:24.240 it's

00:33:24.380 not

00:33:24.560 given

00:33:24.860 anything

00:33:25.340 like

00:33:25.740 the

00:33:25.940 same

00:33:26.100 amount

00:33:26.340 of

00:33:26.440 attention

00:33:26.860 as

00:33:28.060 gender

00:33:30.520 identity

00:33:31.420 now

00:33:32.780 you

00:33:33.220 would

00:33:33.440 have

00:33:33.560 got

00:33:34.460 further

00:33:34.880 with

00:33:35.040 that

00:33:35.180 complaint

00:33:35.560 had

00:33:35.800 you

00:33:35.980 said

00:33:36.420 that

00:33:36.900 I

00:33:37.040 believe

00:33:37.320 that

00:33:37.440 I

00:33:37.540 have

00:33:37.640 been

00:33:37.760 targeted

00:33:38.180 because

00:33:38.660 I

00:33:39.220 am

00:33:39.340 disabled

00:33:39.720 that

00:33:40.860 would

00:33:41.080 have

00:33:41.200 made

00:33:41.500 a

00:33:41.800 significant

00:33:42.900 difference

00:33:44.040 if

00:33:45.100 you

00:33:45.220 said

00:33:45.540 I

00:33:45.800 believe

00:33:46.080 that

00:33:46.200 I

00:33:46.300 have

00:33:46.360 been

00:33:46.480 targeted

00:33:46.800 because

00:33:47.280 I'm

00:33:47.800 LGBT

00:33:48.320 because

00:33:49.020 of my

00:33:49.180 gender

00:33:49.480 identity

00:33:50.020 you

00:33:50.860 would

00:33:51.020 have

00:33:51.200 everybody

00:33:51.520 including

00:33:51.960 the chief

00:33:52.280 constable

00:33:52.660 they're

00:33:53.160 investigating

00:33:53.540 it

00:33:53.980 because

00:33:54.640 the theft

00:33:56.740 would be

00:33:57.280 an affront

00:33:57.880 to their

00:33:58.920 number one

00:33:59.380 ideology

00:33:59.840 that they

00:34:00.360 are promoting

00:34:00.860 that's

00:34:01.780 the problem

00:34:02.620 they're not

00:34:03.640 that interested

00:34:04.800 when I talk

00:34:05.420 about the police

00:34:05.820 I'm not talking

00:34:06.200 about general

00:34:06.800 police officers

00:34:07.420 most police

00:34:08.440 officers

00:34:08.880 are good

00:34:09.900 good people

00:34:10.760 who want

00:34:11.580 to do

00:34:12.100 the job

00:34:13.180 but the

00:34:13.840 system

00:34:14.280 is geared

00:34:15.260 up

00:34:15.580 so that

00:34:16.520 there is

00:34:16.820 a prioritizing

00:34:17.920 of

00:34:18.600 ideological

00:34:19.220 crimes

00:34:19.920 over

00:34:20.620 any

00:34:20.980 other

00:34:21.140 crime

00:34:21.480 and

00:34:21.940 this

00:34:22.100 is

00:34:22.240 very

00:34:22.400 much

00:34:22.660 like

00:34:23.960 as it

00:34:24.640 was

00:34:24.900 behind

00:34:25.560 the

00:34:25.740 iron

00:34:25.880 curtain

00:34:26.180 well

00:34:26.900 it's

00:34:27.220 true

00:34:27.500 and

00:34:28.140 one

00:34:28.380 of

00:34:28.480 the

00:34:28.580 things

00:34:28.740 I

00:34:28.880 don't

00:34:29.140 think

00:34:29.260 people

00:34:29.540 in

00:34:29.700 this

00:34:29.860 country

00:34:30.140 watching

00:34:30.620 this

00:34:31.000 and

00:34:31.160 listening

00:34:31.380 to

00:34:31.540 this

00:34:31.720 realize

00:34:32.200 how

00:34:33.140 weird

00:34:33.620 this

00:34:33.940 is

00:34:34.320 like

00:34:34.980 when

00:34:35.220 we

00:34:35.460 as I

00:34:35.960 said

00:34:36.100 we

00:34:36.260 were

00:34:36.400 in

00:34:36.520 America

00:34:36.820 for

00:34:37.020 three

00:34:37.260 weeks

00:34:37.460 talking

00:34:37.800 to

00:34:38.060 people

00:34:38.380 and

00:34:38.580 this

00:34:38.760 issue

00:34:39.040 came

00:34:39.380 up

00:34:39.620 and

00:34:39.780 we

00:34:40.000 were

00:34:40.120 there

00:34:40.320 while

00:34:40.700 this

00:34:40.960 incident

00:34:41.280 happened

00:34:41.660 and

00:34:41.840 we

00:34:41.960 were

00:34:42.100 telling

00:34:42.320 people

00:34:42.580 people

00:34:43.260 in

00:34:43.420 America

00:34:43.680 can't

00:34:44.220 believe

00:34:44.540 that

00:34:44.740 this

00:34:44.900 is

00:34:45.040 possible

00:34:45.440 no

00:34:46.320 they

00:34:46.620 can't

00:34:46.980 imagine

00:34:47.640 that

00:34:48.440 in

00:34:48.860 a

00:34:49.020 country

00:34:49.280 like

00:34:49.560 Britain

00:34:49.940 which

00:34:50.220 is

00:34:50.420 about

00:34:50.720 as

00:34:50.920 close

00:34:51.220 to

00:34:51.360 the

00:34:51.480 United

00:34:51.700 States

00:34:52.080 as

00:34:52.240 you're

00:34:52.420 going

00:34:52.520 to

00:34:52.620 get

00:34:52.860 in

00:34:53.020 terms

00:34:53.260 of

00:34:53.400 the

00:34:53.600 countries

00:34:53.920 around

00:34:54.180 the

00:34:54.320 world

00:34:54.560 people

00:34:55.860 are

00:34:56.200 being

00:34:56.500 arrested

00:34:57.040 for

00:34:57.960 what

00:34:58.180 they

00:34:58.400 say

00:34:58.860 on

00:34:59.160 social

00:34:59.540 media

00:34:59.980 yeah

00:35:00.500 it

00:35:01.840 I

00:35:02.960 it's

00:35:03.580 I

00:35:04.060 don't

00:35:04.540 I don't

00:35:04.840 know how

00:35:05.100 to

00:35:05.260 explain

00:35:05.620 to

00:35:05.800 people

00:35:06.000 how

00:35:06.200 wrong

00:35:06.500 this

00:35:06.760 is

00:35:07.140 of

00:35:07.520 course

00:35:07.660 it's

00:35:07.800 wrong

00:35:08.000 you

00:35:08.280 know

00:35:08.560 and

00:35:09.160 I

00:35:09.940 think

00:35:10.300 I

00:35:10.460 hear

00:35:10.760 what

00:35:10.940 you're

00:35:11.100 saying

00:35:11.340 about

00:35:11.720 the

00:35:12.160 way

00:35:12.300 police

00:35:12.760 are

00:35:12.960 but

00:35:13.160 also

00:35:13.520 to

00:35:14.100 me

00:35:14.300 it

00:35:14.460 puts

00:35:14.640 into

00:35:14.860 question

00:35:15.260 this

00:35:15.840 whole

00:35:17.000 law

00:35:18.180 which

00:35:18.980 says

00:35:19.240 that

00:35:19.400 you

00:35:19.500 can't

00:35:19.760 be

00:35:19.880 grossly

00:35:20.320 offensive

00:35:20.680 well

00:35:21.840 now

00:35:22.660 this

00:35:23.120 is

00:35:23.480 why

00:35:23.640 we

00:35:23.780 set

00:35:24.000 up

00:35:24.220 the

00:35:24.420 bad

00:35:24.640 law

00:35:24.820 project

00:35:25.220 because

00:35:27.240 fundamentally

00:35:28.160 we

00:35:28.580 think

00:35:28.760 most

00:35:29.260 laws

00:35:29.880 are

00:35:30.640 okay

00:35:31.320 are

00:35:32.320 good

00:35:33.000 but

00:35:33.660 when

00:35:34.340 you

00:35:34.560 apply

00:35:35.120 a

00:35:35.460 law

00:35:35.720 you

00:35:36.320 have

00:35:36.660 to

00:35:36.880 bear

00:35:37.120 in

00:35:37.300 mind

00:35:37.620 what

00:35:38.340 did

00:35:39.200 parliament

00:35:39.700 what

00:35:41.180 problem

00:35:41.600 was

00:35:41.820 parliament

00:35:42.160 trying

00:35:42.500 to

00:35:42.720 solve

00:35:43.100 at

00:35:43.660 the

00:35:43.840 time

00:35:44.140 the

00:35:44.340 law

00:35:44.560 was

00:35:44.800 enacted

00:35:45.120 so

00:35:45.740 what

00:35:45.980 they've

00:35:46.260 done

00:35:46.440 instead

00:35:46.820 they've

00:35:47.200 taken

00:35:47.560 laws

00:35:48.980 that

00:35:49.700 were

00:35:49.900 designed

00:35:50.640 to

00:35:50.940 solve

00:35:51.120 a

00:35:51.240 problem

00:35:51.440 in

00:35:51.620 1990

00:35:52.300 or

00:35:52.640 1997

00:35:53.060 or

00:35:53.400 what

00:35:53.560 have

00:35:53.660 you

00:35:53.840 and

00:35:54.560 they're

00:35:54.720 now

00:35:55.000 trying

00:35:55.300 to

00:35:55.460 apply

00:35:55.820 it

00:35:56.100 to

00:35:56.720 this

00:35:57.160 highly

00:35:57.760 digital

00:35:58.340 age

00:35:59.200 so

00:36:00.300 rather

00:36:00.740 than

00:36:00.920 going

00:36:01.080 to

00:36:01.200 the

00:36:01.260 trouble

00:36:01.420 of

00:36:01.540 enacting

00:36:02.000 a

00:36:02.180 new

00:36:02.420 more

00:36:02.780 specific

00:36:03.240 law

00:36:03.680 they've

00:36:05.560 just

00:36:05.840 given

00:36:06.760 the

00:36:06.920 old

00:36:07.100 laws

00:36:07.440 a bit

00:36:07.700 of

00:36:07.820 a

00:36:08.140 bit

00:36:08.840 of

00:36:08.940 a

00:36:09.040 rebranding

00:36:09.700 and

00:36:10.800 tried

00:36:11.020 to

00:36:11.180 apply

00:36:11.440 them

00:36:11.580 do you

00:36:11.740 think

00:36:11.920 that

00:36:12.120 particular

00:36:12.520 law

00:36:12.760 should

00:36:12.920 be

00:36:13.060 repealed

00:36:13.460 I guess

00:36:13.700 no

00:36:13.860 I don't

00:36:14.160 I think

00:36:14.400 I don't

00:36:14.680 know

00:36:14.980 not

00:36:15.200 necessarily

00:36:16.000 why should

00:36:17.580 it be

00:36:17.860 illegal

00:36:18.280 to

00:36:18.500 be

00:36:18.660 offensive

00:36:19.040 it's

00:36:19.700 not

00:36:19.960 it's

00:36:21.260 illegal

00:36:21.540 to

00:36:21.720 be

00:36:21.860 grossly

00:36:22.400 offensive

00:36:22.480 okay

00:36:22.580 why

00:36:22.780 should

00:36:22.960 it

00:36:23.080 be

00:36:23.140 illegal

00:36:23.360 to

00:36:23.500 be

00:36:23.620 grossly

00:36:23.980 offensive

00:36:24.280 okay

00:36:25.540 again

00:36:26.540 it's

00:36:26.920 targeted

00:36:27.320 gross

00:36:28.000 offense

00:36:30.000 so

00:36:30.700 if I

00:36:31.100 were to

00:36:31.380 send

00:36:31.700 to your

00:36:32.440 mom

00:36:32.700 having

00:36:32.920 been

00:36:33.120 burgled

00:36:33.520 a

00:36:34.200 message

00:36:34.700 saying

00:36:35.620 I'm

00:36:36.300 glad

00:36:36.640 you

00:36:37.560 were

00:36:37.720 burgled

00:36:38.540 you

00:36:38.920 disabled

00:36:39.980 cow

00:36:41.180 or

00:36:41.520 blah

00:36:41.900 blah

00:36:42.000 blah

00:36:42.140 and

00:36:42.640 focusing

00:36:43.040 on

00:36:43.340 that

00:36:43.640 that's

00:36:44.360 not

00:36:44.560 just

00:36:45.080 offensive

00:36:45.560 that's

00:36:46.200 grossly

00:36:46.600 offensive

00:36:46.940 and

00:36:47.400 it's

00:36:47.620 designed

00:36:48.160 with

00:36:48.880 malice

00:36:49.600 in

00:36:50.040 mind

00:36:50.480 and

00:36:51.480 menaces

00:36:51.940 in

00:36:52.280 mind

00:36:52.600 there

00:36:53.300 is

00:36:53.480 the

00:36:53.640 hope

00:36:54.020 that

00:36:54.400 the

00:36:54.560 effect

00:36:54.860 I'm

00:36:55.080 going

00:36:55.180 to

00:36:55.240 have

00:36:55.400 on

00:36:55.520 your

00:36:55.680 mom

00:36:55.980 is

00:36:56.440 to

00:36:56.580 make

00:36:56.860 her

00:36:57.140 extremely

00:36:57.940 uncomfortable

00:36:58.520 I'm

00:36:59.140 not

00:36:59.320 against

00:36:59.880 laws

00:37:00.880 like

00:37:01.440 that

00:37:01.740 providing

00:37:02.440 they are

00:37:02.780 applied

00:37:03.120 in

00:37:03.300 that

00:37:03.420 way

00:37:03.560 what

00:37:03.720 we

00:37:03.860 have

00:37:04.020 here

00:37:04.300 is

00:37:05.060 an

00:37:05.260 unknown

00:37:05.680 victim

00:37:06.100 just

00:37:06.940 a

00:37:07.320 somebody

00:37:07.660 a

00:37:08.160 somebody

00:37:08.620 who

00:37:09.100 said

00:37:09.480 that

00:37:10.080 opinion

00:37:10.480 causes

00:37:10.880 me

00:37:11.080 anxiety

00:37:11.580 now

00:37:13.640 that

00:37:13.960 and

00:37:14.460 the

00:37:14.580 situation

00:37:15.020 I've

00:37:15.280 just

00:37:15.420 described

00:37:15.760 to

00:37:15.900 you

00:37:16.060 so

00:37:16.460 providing

00:37:17.040 the

00:37:17.880 law

00:37:18.380 is

00:37:19.340 used

00:37:19.860 in

00:37:20.340 the

00:37:20.520 manner

00:37:20.780 it

00:37:22.460 was

00:37:22.580 designed

00:37:22.980 for

00:37:23.340 and

00:37:24.500 is

00:37:24.620 not

00:37:24.820 overextended

00:37:25.660 into

00:37:26.360 other

00:37:26.700 things

00:37:27.280 I

00:37:27.880 don't

00:37:28.260 think

00:37:28.420 there's

00:37:28.580 a

00:37:28.780 massive

00:37:29.080 problem

00:37:29.480 necessarily

00:37:30.060 with

00:37:31.040 127

00:37:31.740 there

00:37:32.420 may

00:37:32.740 be

00:37:33.060 I need

00:37:33.660 to look

00:37:33.880 at the

00:37:34.060 data

00:37:34.300 on it

00:37:34.640 I need

00:37:35.140 to see

00:37:35.620 how

00:37:36.180 it's

00:37:36.400 been

00:37:36.600 used

00:37:37.160 but

00:37:37.860 I'm

00:37:38.220 not

00:37:38.460 one

00:37:38.640 saying

00:37:39.040 just

00:37:39.500 because

00:37:39.720 a

00:37:39.840 law

00:37:39.980 has

00:37:40.080 been

00:37:40.180 badly

00:37:40.440 applied

00:37:40.800 it

00:37:40.960 necessarily

00:37:41.380 makes

00:37:41.660 it

00:37:41.760 a

00:37:41.940 bad

00:37:42.160 law

00:37:42.700 one

00:37:42.860 of the

00:37:43.000 problems

00:37:43.160 that we

00:37:43.380 have

00:37:43.600 I always

00:37:44.160 take

00:37:44.300 the

00:37:44.400 dangerous

00:37:44.620 dogs

00:37:44.900 act

00:37:45.200 as an

00:37:46.620 example

00:37:46.980 because

00:37:47.480 that is

00:37:47.740 a prime

00:37:48.140 example

00:37:48.500 of rushed

00:37:49.500 terrible

00:37:50.060 law

00:37:50.420 if you're

00:37:50.920 going to

00:37:51.000 have a

00:37:51.200 dangerous

00:37:51.440 dogs

00:37:51.720 act

00:37:51.860 you've

00:37:52.080 got to

00:37:52.400 define

00:37:52.900 what a

00:37:53.320 dangerous

00:37:53.640 dog

00:37:53.940 is

00:37:54.140 you've

00:37:54.600 got to

00:37:54.820 define

00:37:55.180 what

00:37:55.560 is

00:37:55.900 an

00:37:56.340 American

00:37:56.700 pitbull

00:37:57.120 terrier

00:37:57.460 or what

00:37:58.220 have

00:37:58.360 you

00:37:58.480 because

00:37:58.680 otherwise

00:37:59.020 you can

00:37:59.700 get

00:37:59.820 somebody

00:38:00.220 saying

00:38:00.980 you get

00:38:01.740 bit

00:38:01.940 by a

00:38:02.260 chihuahua

00:38:02.640 and

00:38:02.780 somebody

00:38:02.960 says

00:38:03.180 I

00:38:03.560 interpret

00:38:04.240 that

00:38:04.440 as

00:38:04.560 an

00:38:04.660 American

00:38:04.880 bull

00:38:05.060 terrier

00:38:05.340 and

00:38:05.440 the

00:38:05.520 next

00:38:05.640 thing

00:38:05.740 you

00:38:05.820 know

00:38:06.020 little

00:38:06.880 poncy

00:38:07.180 dog

00:38:07.380 has

00:38:07.480 been

00:38:07.640 put

00:38:08.480 down

00:38:08.720 that's

00:38:09.500 a

00:38:09.560 result

00:38:09.740 of

00:38:09.900 bad

00:38:10.100 law

00:38:10.340 very

00:38:11.860 bad

00:38:12.420 law

00:38:12.680 what we

00:38:13.760 have

00:38:13.920 here

00:38:14.220 is

00:38:14.520 potentially

00:38:15.260 bad

00:38:15.580 law

00:38:15.900 being

00:38:18.420 applied

00:38:18.980 by

00:38:19.760 ideologically

00:38:21.160 driven

00:38:21.640 officers

00:38:22.260 who

00:38:22.840 understand

00:38:23.280 ideology

00:38:23.920 but

00:38:24.500 do

00:38:24.740 not

00:38:24.980 understand

00:38:25.700 the

00:38:26.400 law

00:38:26.680 that's

00:38:27.540 the

00:38:27.620 problem

00:38:27.800 that's

00:38:28.260 why

00:38:28.380 when we

00:38:28.660 confronted

00:38:29.160 them

00:38:29.460 they

00:38:29.860 were

00:38:30.000 not

00:38:30.300 able

00:38:30.840 to

00:38:31.320 quote

00:38:31.600 it

00:38:31.840 they

00:38:32.380 were

00:38:32.540 not

00:38:32.760 able

00:38:33.000 to

00:38:33.140 quote

00:38:33.280 it

00:38:33.380 they

00:38:33.720 had

00:38:33.880 a

00:38:34.020 go

00:38:34.200 at

00:38:34.340 quoting

00:38:34.640 it

00:38:34.900 but

00:38:35.340 they

00:38:35.500 got

00:38:35.700 it

00:38:35.820 miserably

00:38:36.320 wrong

00:38:36.540 now

00:38:36.700 when I

00:38:36.960 was

00:38:37.080 a

00:38:37.160 police

00:38:37.300 officer

00:38:37.580 and

00:38:38.060 this

00:38:38.200 is

00:38:38.320 a

00:38:38.520 long

00:38:38.760 time

00:38:39.320 ago

00:38:39.640 a

00:38:39.960 long

00:38:40.140 time

00:38:40.400 ago

00:38:40.680 we

00:38:43.120 learnt

00:38:43.780 the

00:38:44.020 law

00:38:44.280 by

00:38:44.740 rote

00:38:45.140 we

00:38:45.740 understood

00:38:46.320 our

00:38:46.760 points

00:38:47.260 to

00:38:47.480 prove

00:38:47.860 if

00:38:48.120 you're

00:38:48.260 going

00:38:48.440 to

00:38:48.800 convict

00:38:51.140 somebody

00:38:51.560 or

00:38:52.080 charge

00:38:52.380 somebody

00:38:52.740 you

00:38:53.340 have

00:38:53.620 to

00:38:53.800 understand

00:38:54.180 the

00:38:54.380 points

00:38:54.620 to

00:38:54.780 prove

00:38:55.100 and

00:38:55.820 tick

00:38:56.140 off

00:38:56.380 everyone

00:38:56.880 that

00:38:57.520 is

00:38:57.820 reliant

00:38:58.260 on

00:38:58.580 knowing

00:39:02.760 don't

00:39:03.400 because

00:39:03.780 the

00:39:04.060 law

00:39:04.440 is

00:39:05.000 secondary

00:39:05.500 to

00:39:06.100 policing

00:39:06.600 ideology

00:39:07.280 and

00:39:07.920 but

00:39:08.060 that's

00:39:08.340 a

00:39:08.480 fault

00:39:08.620 of

00:39:09.360 the

00:39:09.460 institution

00:39:10.000 because

00:39:10.500 these

00:39:10.740 people

00:39:10.960 are

00:39:11.080 not

00:39:11.220 getting

00:39:11.440 trained

00:39:11.740 properly

00:39:12.160 correct

00:39:12.860 but

00:39:13.240 again

00:39:13.460 that's

00:39:13.820 a

00:39:14.560 product

00:39:14.860 of

00:39:15.060 design

00:39:15.380 the

00:39:15.880 college

00:39:16.120 of

00:39:16.260 policing

00:39:16.560 which

00:39:16.780 as far

00:39:17.000 as

00:39:17.120 I'm

00:39:17.300 concerned

00:39:17.760 is

00:39:18.200 the

00:39:18.480 fountain

00:39:19.240 head

00:39:19.600 of

00:39:20.060 all

00:39:20.380 of

00:39:20.520 this

00:39:20.660 nonsense

00:39:21.140 they

00:39:23.380 said

00:39:24.300 last

00:39:25.400 year

00:39:25.560 or

00:39:25.640 the

00:39:25.680 year

00:39:25.760 before

00:39:26.020 that

00:39:26.640 they

00:39:26.740 now

00:39:26.980 only

00:39:27.400 want

00:39:27.680 to

00:39:27.980 recruit

00:39:28.540 graduates

00:39:29.600 as

00:39:29.960 police

00:39:30.200 officers

00:39:30.620 really

00:39:32.800 so

00:39:33.420 you

00:39:33.540 don't

00:39:33.700 want

00:39:33.900 ex

00:39:34.600 army

00:39:35.040 guys

00:39:35.520 you

00:39:35.660 don't

00:39:35.820 want

00:39:35.980 people

00:39:36.300 with

00:39:36.640 loads

00:39:37.680 of

00:39:37.820 years

00:39:38.100 as

00:39:38.440 plumbers

00:39:39.700 electricians

00:39:40.520 etc

00:39:41.260 you

00:39:41.540 only

00:39:41.740 want

00:39:41.920 security

00:39:42.480 people

00:39:43.080 why

00:39:43.700 is

00:39:44.240 that

00:39:44.420 now

00:39:44.640 I've

00:39:45.360 taught

00:39:45.540 in

00:39:45.680 university

00:39:46.140 for

00:39:46.980 many

00:39:47.180 years

00:39:47.520 and

00:39:48.880 one

00:39:49.160 thing

00:39:49.400 that

00:39:49.580 I

00:39:49.700 know

00:39:49.940 about

00:39:50.200 university

00:39:50.620 students

00:39:51.020 is

00:39:51.180 you

00:39:51.320 are

00:39:51.440 teaching

00:39:51.720 them

00:39:51.880 how

00:39:52.040 not

00:39:52.260 to

00:39:52.440 think

00:39:52.720 you

00:39:53.420 are

00:39:53.540 teaching

00:39:53.820 university

00:39:54.240 students

00:39:54.680 how

00:39:55.160 to

00:39:55.520 achieve

00:39:56.620 a set

00:39:57.220 of

00:39:57.460 predetermined

00:39:58.040 learning

00:39:58.340 outcomes

00:39:58.780 by

00:39:59.420 using

00:39:59.740 a

00:40:00.060 particular

00:40:00.580 form

00:40:00.980 of

00:40:01.200 words

00:40:01.620 and

00:40:02.180 managing

00:40:02.720 to

00:40:02.920 cobble

00:40:03.120 it

00:40:03.240 together

00:40:03.560 within

00:40:04.160 an

00:40:04.440 essay

00:40:04.820 or

00:40:05.380 an

00:40:06.160 exam

00:40:06.400 answer

00:40:06.820 they

00:40:07.580 want

00:40:07.820 people

00:40:08.280 who

00:40:08.740 are

00:40:09.140 trainee

00:40:09.660 automatons

00:40:10.360 that's

00:40:11.460 what

00:40:11.620 they

00:40:11.820 want

00:40:12.060 that

00:40:12.280 don't

00:40:12.520 have

00:40:12.680 common

00:40:12.960 sense

00:40:13.300 that

00:40:13.480 have

00:40:13.880 no

00:40:15.020 experience

00:40:15.560 of

00:40:15.740 common

00:40:15.960 sense

00:40:16.320 and

00:40:16.880 the

00:40:17.480 police

00:40:17.800 are

00:40:18.180 actively

00:40:18.820 against

00:40:19.620 common

00:40:20.000 sense

00:40:20.360 because

00:40:20.900 as

00:40:21.120 Chief

00:40:21.360 Constable

00:40:21.920 Lee

00:40:22.240 Freeman

00:40:22.540 said

00:40:23.000 it's

00:40:24.000 not

00:40:24.240 an

00:40:24.440 appropriate

00:40:24.840 tool

00:40:25.360 for

00:40:25.920 a

00:40:26.060 police

00:40:26.320 officer

00:40:26.680 we

00:40:27.240 know

00:40:27.460 that

00:40:27.760 we

00:40:28.300 know

00:40:28.580 what

00:40:28.880 they

00:40:29.060 think

00:40:29.420 because

00:40:30.580 common

00:40:31.140 law

00:40:31.440 they're

00:40:32.260 not

00:40:32.420 interested

00:40:32.920 in

00:40:33.200 common

00:40:33.420 law

00:40:33.660 they're

00:40:34.080 not

00:40:34.240 interested

00:40:34.740 in

00:40:35.120 liberty

00:40:35.520 they

00:40:36.060 are

00:40:36.200 interested

00:40:36.840 in

00:40:37.580 enforcing

00:40:38.740 us

00:40:39.060 into

00:40:39.640 a

00:40:39.880 form

00:40:40.140 of

00:40:40.280 behaviour

00:40:40.720 and

00:40:41.440 a

00:40:41.580 form

00:40:41.780 of

00:40:41.940 words

00:40:42.460 and

00:40:43.060 a

00:40:43.200 form

00:40:43.460 of

00:40:43.740 expression

00:40:44.360 and

00:40:45.060 cheering

00:40:45.600 the

00:40:45.840 NHS

00:40:46.280 clapping

00:40:47.740 everybody

00:40:48.500 that walks

00:40:48.900 past

00:40:49.120 with a

00:40:49.400 bright

00:40:49.660 flag

00:40:50.000 all

00:40:50.800 that

00:40:50.980 kind

00:40:51.140 of

00:40:51.200 stuff

00:40:51.360 there's

00:40:51.660 just

00:40:51.880 this

00:40:52.080 mass

00:40:53.160 encouragement

00:40:53.860 by the

00:40:54.480 police

00:40:54.840 to get

00:40:56.580 us

00:40:56.720 to

00:40:56.860 obey

00:40:57.180 and

00:40:58.040 of

00:40:58.160 course

00:40:58.300 it wasn't

00:40:59.540 held

00:40:59.960 either

00:41:00.500 by

00:41:01.320 government

00:41:02.100 during

00:41:02.680 lockdown

00:41:03.600 when

00:41:04.780 Boris Johnson

00:41:06.400 stood there

00:41:07.180 with an

00:41:08.340 expert on

00:41:08.860 the left

00:41:09.140 and a

00:41:09.780 so-called

00:41:10.120 expert on

00:41:10.640 the right

00:41:11.040 and he

00:41:11.860 would make

00:41:12.260 pronouncements

00:41:13.040 from number

00:41:13.500 10

00:41:13.860 as though

00:41:14.720 number

00:41:14.980 10

00:41:15.420 were the

00:41:16.060 source of

00:41:16.460 authority

00:41:16.840 when it's

00:41:17.200 actually

00:41:17.600 our

00:41:18.680 democratic

00:41:19.200 parliament

00:41:19.680 which is

00:41:20.480 the source

00:41:20.840 of our

00:41:21.160 authority

00:41:21.520 so that's

00:41:22.020 number one

00:41:22.980 error

00:41:23.380 but he

00:41:24.740 would make

00:41:25.100 these

00:41:25.300 pronouncements

00:41:26.000 about

00:41:26.260 lockdowns

00:41:26.880 and this

00:41:27.020 that

00:41:27.160 and the

00:41:27.340 other

00:41:27.560 not backed

00:41:28.180 up by

00:41:28.480 law

00:41:28.760 guidance

00:41:29.600 but the

00:41:30.520 police

00:41:30.960 were enforcing

00:41:31.900 guidance

00:41:32.660 and the

00:41:33.480 public

00:41:33.880 were led

00:41:34.560 to a

00:41:35.440 position

00:41:35.620 where they

00:41:35.940 didn't

00:41:36.220 understand

00:41:36.720 the

00:41:37.000 difference

00:41:37.460 between

00:41:38.280 law

00:41:39.100 and guidance

00:41:40.260 now then

00:41:40.880 let's just

00:41:43.040 think about

00:41:43.380 the death

00:41:43.700 of Sarah

00:41:44.420 Everard

00:41:45.060 for a

00:41:45.520 second

00:41:45.800 under

00:41:47.000 normal

00:41:47.400 circumstances

00:41:48.240 would a

00:41:49.000 bright

00:41:49.600 smart

00:41:50.740 feisty

00:41:51.780 young

00:41:52.060 woman

00:41:52.380 believe

00:41:54.100 if a

00:41:55.200 police

00:41:55.420 officer

00:41:55.700 pulled up

00:41:56.080 in a

00:41:56.260 car

00:41:56.480 that she

00:41:57.200 had committed

00:41:57.500 an offence

00:41:57.920 by somebody

00:41:58.360 going for a

00:41:58.820 walk

00:41:59.100 no

00:42:00.160 no chance

00:42:01.320 no chance

00:42:02.420 but during

00:42:03.280 the COVID

00:42:03.840 lockdown

00:42:04.460 period

00:42:05.200 a police

00:42:06.200 officer

00:42:06.520 was able

00:42:06.920 to pull

00:42:07.280 up

00:42:07.540 say

00:42:08.500 you're

00:42:08.940 breaking

00:42:09.220 the law

00:42:09.620 and she

00:42:11.280 believed

00:42:11.680 him

00:42:11.900 she got

00:42:13.400 into the

00:42:13.700 car

00:42:13.940 and we

00:42:14.940 know what

00:42:15.260 happened

00:42:15.620 now that

00:42:16.000 is not

00:42:16.280 at all

00:42:16.680 to excuse

00:42:18.060 what that

00:42:19.840 evil

00:42:20.280 officer

00:42:21.020 did

00:42:21.820 but this

00:42:23.280 is a

00:42:24.000 consequence

00:42:24.500 of the

00:42:25.080 public

00:42:25.360 being

00:42:25.720 duped

00:42:26.400 and confused

00:42:28.140 about what

00:42:28.740 is law

00:42:29.240 and what

00:42:29.980 is guidance

00:42:30.840 under normal

00:42:31.900 circumstances

00:42:32.540 she would

00:42:33.380 have run

00:42:33.760 a mile

00:42:34.540 if a

00:42:35.580 police

00:42:35.860 officer

00:42:36.280 had said

00:42:37.160 you've

00:42:37.640 committed

00:42:37.920 a crime

00:42:38.300 by walking

00:42:38.880 going for

00:42:39.720 a walk

00:42:40.120 she'd have

00:42:40.780 been off

00:42:41.040 like a

00:42:41.340 shot

00:42:41.580 but this

00:42:43.020 confusion

00:42:43.580 has led

00:42:44.580 to all

00:42:45.560 sorts

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00:42:46.680 atrocities

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00:42:49.960 us

00:42:50.240 as a

00:42:51.100 people

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00:42:52.320 authority

00:42:52.720 which

00:42:53.320 wants us

00:42:54.080 to be

00:42:54.360 confused

00:42:54.780 and wants

00:42:55.740 us not

00:42:56.040 to understand

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00:44:02.640 harry do you think

00:44:04.660 part of it as well

00:44:05.460 is laziness

00:44:06.120 on the part of the

00:44:07.000 police

00:44:07.380 because

00:44:08.300 it's look like

00:44:09.580 take what happened

00:44:10.200 to my parents

00:44:10.900 you know

00:44:11.360 you're gonna have

00:44:12.100 to get a team in

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00:44:13.320 to dust for

00:44:13.860 fingerprints

00:44:14.340 they're gonna have

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00:44:16.120 statements

00:44:16.700 they're gonna have

00:44:17.800 to look at other

00:44:18.440 burglars in the area

00:44:19.720 they're gonna need

00:44:20.660 to match it up

00:44:21.580 or did they do this

00:44:23.000 at a certain time

00:44:23.900 they're gonna have

00:44:24.320 to establish a pattern

00:44:25.440 that's gonna take

00:44:26.520 a lot of effort

00:44:27.100 and man hours

00:44:27.720 whereas this

00:44:28.600 you photocopy

00:44:29.820 or whatever

00:44:30.160 you do a screen grab

00:44:31.080 of a meme on Facebook

00:44:32.220 job done

00:44:33.080 yeah

00:44:33.780 yeah

00:44:34.180 it's absolutely

00:44:36.060 about priorities

00:44:36.760 I don't think

00:44:37.200 the police

00:44:37.600 are lazy

00:44:38.600 as such

00:44:39.300 I don't think

00:44:39.620 the average

00:44:40.040 police officer

00:44:40.600 is lazy

00:44:41.180 I think

00:44:41.960 they've been led

00:44:42.440 a pile of bullshit

00:44:43.180 about what's important

00:44:44.240 yes

00:44:44.900 I think that's

00:44:45.780 that's it

00:44:46.220 and again

00:44:46.600 this comes

00:44:47.080 we always

00:44:47.700 I always like to punch

00:44:48.600 I always like to punch up

00:44:49.540 always

00:44:50.060 the bigger

00:44:51.460 the bigger

00:44:52.040 the authority

00:44:53.080 the better

00:44:53.840 I have no interest

00:44:54.700 at all

00:44:55.160 in causing trouble

00:44:56.540 for rank and file

00:44:57.640 police officers

00:44:58.500 they've been

00:45:01.380 absolutely misled

00:45:02.200 these officers

00:45:02.680 that approached

00:45:03.220 Mr Brady

00:45:03.740 on the first occasion

00:45:04.580 they said

00:45:05.000 they were there

00:45:05.500 they were there

00:45:06.440 on the instruction

00:45:06.940 of a sergeant

00:45:07.700 the sergeant

00:45:08.760 had looked at the evidence

00:45:10.420 and sent them

00:45:11.320 when they came back again

00:45:12.820 you know

00:45:13.660 somebody somewhere

00:45:14.620 probably an inspector

00:45:15.780 maybe a chief inspector

00:45:16.540 would have been aware

00:45:17.540 of what was going on

00:45:18.460 and they

00:45:19.080 they sanctioned it

00:45:20.120 they absolutely sanctioned it

00:45:21.580 when

00:45:22.120 when

00:45:22.940 when they realised

00:45:24.160 they were live on Facebook

00:45:25.580 when they realised

00:45:27.400 that they must have been

00:45:28.060 being broadcast

00:45:28.640 to millions of people

00:45:29.680 they just doubled down

00:45:31.920 they had no common sense

00:45:33.200 there was

00:45:33.500 there was no instinct

00:45:35.040 within them

00:45:35.940 that said

00:45:36.860 hold on a minute

00:45:37.840 we weren't expecting

00:45:39.100 Lawrence Fox and Harry Miller

00:45:40.120 to come bursting out

00:45:40.780 the kitchen

00:45:41.060 with a film crew

00:45:41.700 really

00:45:43.260 this is a meme

00:45:44.040 tell you what we'll do

00:45:45.240 we'll just say

00:45:46.420 we weren't ready for this

00:45:47.980 we're going to go back

00:45:48.820 to the station

00:45:49.360 and seek advice

00:45:50.560 from a more senior officer

00:45:51.840 and then

00:45:52.660 we wouldn't be here now

00:45:53.700 because

00:45:54.200 it would have been

00:45:54.920 a tiny little story

00:45:55.860 not a massive

00:45:57.340 massive story

00:45:57.980 but I'm glad

00:45:58.560 we're here

00:45:58.980 but they haven't got

00:45:59.260 common sense

00:45:59.920 I know

00:46:00.300 but I'm glad we're here

00:46:01.380 Harry

00:46:01.680 because

00:46:02.100 I come back to the law point

00:46:03.500 I'm not sure I agree

00:46:04.360 with you man

00:46:04.780 because

00:46:05.100 if we have a police force

00:46:06.900 that is creating this

00:46:08.780 ambiguity

00:46:09.880 about what

00:46:10.880 people

00:46:11.400 ordinary citizens

00:46:12.460 are actually required to do

00:46:13.820 or what they're advised to do

00:46:15.240 or the guidance

00:46:15.880 or whatever

00:46:16.320 I don't want them to have

00:46:18.200 laws on the books

00:46:18.940 that they can misinterpret

00:46:19.940 in this way

00:46:20.380 and with all possible respect

00:46:21.840 to France's disabled mum

00:46:23.060 I'd rather you were able

00:46:24.620 to send her a hateful message

00:46:26.040 than people are getting

00:46:27.420 arrested for memes

00:46:28.260 you know

00:46:29.080 and

00:46:29.600 as far as I can tell

00:46:31.060 as long as the police

00:46:31.840 have the power

00:46:32.440 to misinterpret

00:46:33.260 these laws

00:46:33.760 in this way

00:46:34.300 and this is

00:46:35.600 this is what I said

00:46:36.400 at the time

00:46:36.880 not everybody

00:46:37.880 is going to have

00:46:38.860 Harry Miller

00:46:39.440 and Lawrence Fox

00:46:40.120 turn up

00:46:40.560 with the film crew

00:46:41.240 and get this filmed

00:46:42.140 and what would have

00:46:42.720 happened to this guy

00:46:43.660 if you weren't there

00:46:44.680 he would have been arrested

00:46:46.020 and probably prosecuted

00:46:47.560 and by the way

00:46:48.260 the media

00:46:49.000 would have called him

00:46:49.720 a hate criminal

00:46:50.260 yeah

00:46:50.780 that's

00:46:51.920 I agree

00:46:53.520 so if we're in that position

00:46:55.020 I'd rather that law

00:46:55.880 wasn't on the books

00:46:56.600 frankly

00:46:56.880 this may be overreacting

00:46:58.140 in the moment

00:46:58.680 but I'm just saying

00:46:59.840 I'm not comfortable

00:47:01.260 in a society

00:47:02.760 in which the police

00:47:03.660 have this much power

00:47:04.520 are you?

00:47:05.900 no

00:47:06.320 but again

00:47:06.760 it gets back to

00:47:07.660 what problem

00:47:08.800 was there in society

00:47:09.940 that this law

00:47:10.960 was designed

00:47:12.760 to

00:47:13.420 you know

00:47:14.320 to answer

00:47:15.760 well you said it yourself

00:47:16.680 it was designed

00:47:17.180 to answer the problem

00:47:18.120 of escalating

00:47:19.260 levels of violence

00:47:20.380 towards genocide

00:47:21.040 right?

00:47:21.860 no

00:47:22.020 the section 127

00:47:23.280 wasn't

00:47:23.960 oh it wasn't

00:47:24.620 okay

00:47:24.840 no that was

00:47:25.580 that was designed

00:47:26.300 so for instance

00:47:26.980 let's just say

00:47:28.120 we have somebody

00:47:28.720 who's sending

00:47:29.140 dick pics

00:47:29.700 through the post

00:47:30.280 yeah

00:47:30.560 week in

00:47:31.600 week out

00:47:32.080 week in

00:47:32.440 week out

00:47:32.800 I think we can all agree

00:47:34.200 that that is

00:47:34.980 grossly offensive

00:47:36.180 yes

00:47:36.520 there's no justification

00:47:37.520 it's not saying

00:47:38.920 trans women are

00:47:39.920 men

00:47:40.880 it's not that

00:47:41.400 it's in a different league

00:47:42.500 entirely

00:47:42.880 so you send

00:47:43.920 a bunch of emails

00:47:45.080 like that

00:47:45.680 then I think

00:47:46.920 section 127

00:47:47.620 is an entirely

00:47:49.240 appropriate law

00:47:50.220 to enact

00:47:52.580 in order to

00:47:53.800 stop me

00:47:55.000 sending dick pics

00:47:56.040 to you

00:47:56.960 I think that's

00:47:57.880 that's fine

00:47:58.280 because that's

00:47:59.440 the kind of problem

00:48:00.280 that the law

00:48:01.300 was seeking to solve

00:48:02.200 it was not

00:48:03.320 seeking to address

00:48:04.540 the problem

00:48:05.520 of somebody

00:48:06.380 expressing

00:48:06.980 an opinion

00:48:07.980 that somebody else

00:48:09.440 found

00:48:10.080 grossly offensive

00:48:10.940 okay so how do we

00:48:11.700 get there

00:48:12.020 how do we get them

00:48:12.880 to understand

00:48:13.500 that difference then

00:48:14.340 training

00:48:16.500 but I think

00:48:17.000 I think this

00:48:17.760 this begins

00:48:18.520 with having a

00:48:19.260 renewed respect

00:48:20.260 for the law

00:48:21.400 what we have to do

00:48:22.500 is get rid

00:48:24.080 of this

00:48:25.060 and human rights

00:48:26.120 aspects

00:48:26.680 of the police

00:48:27.940 oath

00:48:28.340 okay

00:48:29.300 because whilst

00:48:30.280 that remains

00:48:31.140 the police

00:48:31.860 will continue

00:48:32.580 to be seduced

00:48:33.740 by the loudest

00:48:35.300 voices

00:48:36.100 who are

00:48:37.080 pushing forth

00:48:38.040 an ideology

00:48:38.760 it's quite difficult

00:48:39.720 to resist

00:48:40.160 when you have

00:48:40.720 Amnesty International

00:48:41.780 for instance

00:48:42.440 saying trans women

00:48:43.560 are women

00:48:44.080 alongside Stonewall

00:48:45.400 saying trans women

00:48:46.420 are women

00:48:46.800 alongside mermaids

00:48:48.080 saying trans women

00:48:48.820 are women

00:48:49.040 alongside various

00:48:49.920 parts of government

00:48:50.720 saying it

00:48:51.200 and you've got the

00:48:51.760 flags and all the rest

00:48:52.340 of it

00:48:52.540 so the police

00:48:54.020 the police are

00:48:54.600 confused

00:48:55.140 Dixon of Dr. Green

00:48:56.280 is now confused

00:48:57.260 so we need to get rid

00:48:58.920 of that

00:48:59.200 that's one solution

00:49:00.360 and then we need to

00:49:01.440 revisit

00:49:01.960 what the relationship

00:49:03.660 is between

00:49:04.360 the police

00:49:05.440 and the public

00:49:07.120 and where do the police

00:49:08.900 get their authority

00:49:09.980 from

00:49:10.520 okay so

00:49:11.360 the police get their

00:49:12.520 authority

00:49:12.980 to restrict

00:49:14.140 your freedom

00:49:15.260 to act

00:49:16.560 in a way

00:49:17.200 which in any other

00:49:19.240 circumstance

00:49:19.680 would be unlawful

00:49:20.880 putting somebody

00:49:22.500 in handcuffs

00:49:23.100 in any other

00:49:24.020 circumstance

00:49:24.940 against their will

00:49:26.080 is unlawful

00:49:26.900 taking money off them

00:49:28.720 as a fine

00:49:29.200 would be unlawful

00:49:29.860 putting them in prison

00:49:30.520 that power

00:49:31.760 comes from

00:49:32.520 the Queen

00:49:33.120 that's why every

00:49:34.600 officer

00:49:35.080 makes an oath

00:49:36.440 to the Sovereign

00:49:37.520 because the Sovereign

00:49:38.640 is not the government

00:49:39.820 the Sovereign

00:49:40.780 is not the judicial

00:49:41.700 system

00:49:42.400 the Sovereign

00:49:43.600 is above it all

00:49:44.820 so the police

00:49:45.280 need to understand

00:49:46.180 the notion

00:49:47.920 of sovereignty

00:49:49.100 that the

00:49:50.240 taking away

00:49:51.320 and the limiting

00:49:51.780 of our freedom

00:49:52.520 can only be done

00:49:54.180 by

00:49:55.260 an officer

00:49:56.580 of the Sovereign

00:49:57.560 that's why

00:49:58.540 laws are enacted

00:49:59.720 with the permission

00:50:00.860 of the Sovereign

00:50:01.640 it's the Crown

00:50:02.820 Prosecution Service

00:50:04.280 in my case

00:50:05.320 it was the Queen

00:50:06.260 on behalf of Miller

00:50:07.380 versus the College

00:50:08.440 of Policing

00:50:08.980 sovereignty

00:50:10.000 in this country

00:50:10.940 means a lot

00:50:12.120 so we need to get back

00:50:13.700 to understanding

00:50:14.840 to understanding that

00:50:16.360 what we have at the moment

00:50:17.700 particularly with

00:50:18.180 non-crime

00:50:18.640 hate incidents

00:50:20.060 and the police

00:50:21.460 acting on behalf

00:50:22.380 of perception

00:50:23.500 if you think about it

00:50:25.580 what we have

00:50:26.060 is a removal

00:50:27.360 of the power

00:50:28.060 of the Queen

00:50:28.660 to the mob

00:50:30.700 now that

00:50:32.360 as far as I'm concerned

00:50:33.140 is a definition

00:50:33.620 of anarchy

00:50:34.040 so we have a choice

00:50:36.040 we either continue

00:50:37.460 down this route

00:50:38.480 which is

00:50:39.800 mob rule

00:50:40.660 where law

00:50:41.580 is defined

00:50:42.180 by third party

00:50:43.260 perception

00:50:43.680 or we get back

00:50:45.160 to sovereign rule

00:50:46.980 where law

00:50:48.420 is foreseeable

00:50:49.200 and the officers

00:50:50.340 of Her Majesty

00:50:51.620 the Queen

00:50:52.200 enact

00:50:54.100 the limitation

00:50:55.440 of our freedom

00:50:56.320 because they understand

00:50:57.840 the sacred nature

00:50:59.380 of that

00:51:00.280 and they understand

00:51:01.500 via clearly

00:51:02.980 defined

00:51:03.900 understanding

00:51:04.760 of what they're doing

00:51:06.260 and they say

00:51:07.360 I am arresting you

00:51:08.220 because you have breached

00:51:09.640 and then they quote

00:51:10.720 the law

00:51:11.120 and they know

00:51:11.980 what the law means

00:51:12.800 and they understand

00:51:13.740 that this is

00:51:14.220 a serious thing

00:51:15.220 it's not based

00:51:16.480 on Mrs Miggins

00:51:17.720 down the road

00:51:18.260 saying

00:51:18.580 what you said

00:51:19.360 made me feel anxious

00:51:20.240 do you not think

00:51:20.800 that this section

00:51:21.640 127

00:51:22.300 is not sufficiently

00:51:23.900 specific

00:51:24.980 for the context

00:51:26.060 in which we're now living

00:51:26.940 should it not say

00:51:27.680 something like

00:51:28.300 okay

00:51:28.940 let's say

00:51:29.940 you know

00:51:30.480 it's about

00:51:31.360 targeted

00:51:32.300 grossly offensive

00:51:33.500 material

00:51:34.100 sent directly

00:51:34.960 to someone

00:51:35.480 with the express purpose

00:51:36.580 of causing

00:51:37.740 great distress

00:51:39.260 as opposed to

00:51:40.340 this vague thing

00:51:41.160 that can be misused

00:51:42.020 and it's not the first time

00:51:43.240 Harry

00:51:43.500 no

00:51:43.940 it's not the first time

00:51:45.020 this continues

00:51:46.200 to be misused

00:51:47.000 in this way

00:51:47.540 it seems to me

00:51:48.680 like

00:51:48.900 it may have been

00:51:49.960 a well written law

00:51:50.840 at the time

00:51:51.240 that it was written

00:51:51.800 but I do think

00:51:53.060 it's a badly written

00:51:53.900 written law

00:51:54.740 for the moment

00:51:55.580 and I'm talking

00:51:56.120 out of my arse

00:51:56.640 because I'm not a lawyer

00:51:57.300 I'm just saying

00:51:57.960 this is what it sounds

00:51:59.240 like to me

00:51:59.800 I think one of the

00:52:01.080 consequences

00:52:01.640 which one of the

00:52:02.500 unforeseen

00:52:03.200 consequences

00:52:04.120 of winning

00:52:05.380 against homicide

00:52:06.220 and winning

00:52:06.760 against the College

00:52:07.340 of Policing

00:52:07.740 and placing a question

00:52:08.960 mark over

00:52:09.720 these ridiculous

00:52:10.740 non-crime hate

00:52:11.520 incidents

00:52:11.960 which are recorded

00:52:13.060 absent of

00:52:15.160 any form of

00:52:16.100 common sense

00:52:16.940 entirely on

00:52:17.620 third party

00:52:18.140 perception

00:52:18.580 is that the police

00:52:20.640 I think

00:52:21.040 are now using

00:52:21.640 section 127

00:52:22.300 in place of that

00:52:23.920 so that they

00:52:25.220 they are escalating

00:52:26.380 it directly

00:52:27.720 to a crime

00:52:29.600 because they're now

00:52:30.800 nervous about

00:52:31.580 non-crime

00:52:32.120 hate incidents

00:52:32.740 so I know

00:52:33.860 let's lower the bar

00:52:34.860 of section 127

00:52:35.600 and let's start

00:52:37.320 doing people for that

00:52:38.060 we have a police officer

00:52:38.980 from Leicestershire

00:52:40.260 called PC Watson

00:52:41.060 who all

00:52:42.160 this last week

00:52:43.120 has been bragging

00:52:43.840 about

00:52:44.640 all my ruling

00:52:46.380 did was make

00:52:47.020 matters worse

00:52:47.640 and that the police

00:52:48.480 will now use

00:52:49.000 section 127

00:52:49.580 to criminalise

00:52:51.340 those of us

00:52:51.920 who otherwise

00:52:52.820 would have been

00:52:53.340 dealt with

00:52:53.700 as a non-crime

00:52:54.160 hate incident

00:52:54.620 so we know

00:52:55.920 we know

00:52:56.640 that this is going

00:52:57.280 on

00:52:57.560 I'm helping

00:52:58.920 a chap

00:52:59.720 who wrote

00:53:02.320 a letter

00:53:02.700 to the FA

00:53:03.480 I think last year

00:53:06.320 and he said

00:53:07.420 that

00:53:08.300 it wasn't a

00:53:09.580 particularly nice

00:53:10.120 letter

00:53:10.420 he said

00:53:11.500 that in his

00:53:12.140 opinion

00:53:12.560 taking the

00:53:14.000 knee

00:53:14.180 was a

00:53:15.000 fascist

00:53:15.980 nasty

00:53:16.420 racist

00:53:17.500 thing

00:53:17.820 to be doing

00:53:18.480 that

00:53:19.180 Gareth

00:53:20.120 Wokegate

00:53:20.840 as he

00:53:21.280 cleverly called him

00:53:22.580 was picking

00:53:23.940 his team

00:53:24.380 with more

00:53:25.760 of an eye

00:53:26.020 on diversity

00:53:26.740 than on talent

00:53:28.260 and he

00:53:29.960 ended

00:53:30.480 the letter

00:53:32.140 with the single

00:53:33.020 word vermin

00:53:33.640 not nice

00:53:34.760 it's not the kind

00:53:35.240 of letter

00:53:35.540 that I would

00:53:36.320 write

00:53:36.540 it's not the

00:53:36.880 kind of letter

00:53:37.280 that I would

00:53:37.680 want my mum

00:53:38.080 to read

00:53:38.520 it's a nasty

00:53:39.480 letter

00:53:39.820 no two ways

00:53:40.300 about it

00:53:40.800 probably a fan

00:53:41.420 of Jack

00:53:41.740 Grealish

00:53:42.100 as well

00:53:42.460 yeah exactly

00:53:43.020 exactly

00:53:43.440 yeah yeah

00:53:45.200 exactly

00:53:45.840 okay

00:53:46.560 the police

00:53:47.400 prosecuting

00:53:47.920 under section

00:53:48.460 127

00:53:48.780 on the basis

00:53:50.660 that Gareth

00:53:51.140 Southgate

00:53:51.820 has put in

00:53:52.960 a complaint

00:53:53.460 that it's

00:53:53.940 caused him

00:53:54.200 anxiety

00:53:54.580 so he is

00:53:56.720 being prosecuted

00:53:57.500 he was served

00:53:57.960 papers

00:53:58.420 this week

00:53:59.320 this is what

00:53:59.820 I'm saying

00:54:00.260 man

00:54:00.480 it's like

00:54:00.800 this law

00:54:01.320 if the law

00:54:03.220 allows for this

00:54:04.140 to happen

00:54:04.620 it's not

00:54:05.400 well calibrated

00:54:06.660 to the situation

00:54:07.360 I agree

00:54:08.000 I agree

00:54:08.660 but I think

00:54:09.320 I think

00:54:09.940 I think

00:54:10.820 the first point

00:54:11.800 of call

00:54:12.120 is to recalibrate

00:54:12.940 the police

00:54:13.780 and get them

00:54:14.660 to understand

00:54:15.440 what is the

00:54:17.100 appropriateness

00:54:17.980 of the law

00:54:18.840 if that doesn't

00:54:19.740 work and they're

00:54:20.280 still confused

00:54:20.960 then we need

00:54:22.000 to revisit

00:54:22.420 the law

00:54:22.840 so you'll be

00:54:23.300 here in a year

00:54:24.780 agreeing with me

00:54:25.500 okay

00:54:25.900 yeah

00:54:26.180 but that's got

00:54:29.820 to be wrong

00:54:30.140 hasn't it

00:54:30.460 it's got to be

00:54:30.940 wrong

00:54:31.180 I mean

00:54:31.440 that has to be

00:54:32.340 wrong

00:54:32.520 what I'm

00:54:34.040 saying though

00:54:34.540 the reason

00:54:35.580 I'm so angry

00:54:36.320 about it

00:54:36.860 is I don't

00:54:37.960 think people

00:54:38.540 understand

00:54:39.240 how fucking

00:54:40.320 ridiculous

00:54:40.900 this is

00:54:41.620 I agree

00:54:42.800 I don't think

00:54:43.540 people get it

00:54:44.200 and if it

00:54:44.840 what it takes

00:54:45.480 is for us

00:54:45.880 to get rid

00:54:46.380 of the stupid

00:54:46.880 law

00:54:47.220 and to have

00:54:48.040 something

00:54:48.380 resembling a

00:54:49.020 first amendment

00:54:49.560 I appreciate

00:54:50.160 politically

00:54:50.640 that's not

00:54:51.040 the easiest

00:54:51.460 task

00:54:51.840 but that's

00:54:52.700 if that's

00:54:53.400 what it

00:54:53.720 takes

00:54:54.020 because see

00:54:54.720 this is the

00:54:55.240 problem

00:54:55.480 this is my

00:54:55.960 issue

00:54:56.200 with your

00:54:56.780 approach

00:54:57.220 Harry

00:54:57.500 is the

00:54:58.200 police

00:54:58.540 are always

00:54:59.100 going to

00:54:59.400 want to

00:54:59.680 enforce

00:55:00.000 whatever

00:55:00.280 ideology

00:55:00.820 they have

00:55:01.440 right

00:55:01.960 and they're

00:55:02.480 going to

00:55:02.620 use as

00:55:02.880 much power

00:55:03.360 as they

00:55:03.620 can get

00:55:03.920 away

00:55:04.140 with

00:55:04.340 and the

00:55:04.600 only way

00:55:04.900 to deal

00:55:05.220 with it

00:55:05.460 is to

00:55:05.700 take the

00:55:06.080 power away

00:55:06.600 from them

00:55:07.020 well you know

00:55:08.740 I never ever

00:55:09.520 thought that I

00:55:10.060 would be one of

00:55:10.500 the sort of

00:55:10.960 defund the police

00:55:11.600 mob

00:55:11.900 no we need

00:55:14.580 the police

00:55:15.100 we do but not

00:55:15.720 in its current

00:55:16.180 form

00:55:16.380 we do not

00:55:17.280 need the police

00:55:17.940 in its current

00:55:18.880 form

00:55:19.220 so what needs

00:55:20.120 to happen

00:55:20.540 is this

00:55:21.100 we need to

00:55:22.020 close down

00:55:22.840 the college

00:55:23.300 of policing

00:55:23.840 immediately

00:55:24.780 because it

00:55:25.880 is a hate

00:55:27.480 factory

00:55:27.960 sponsored by

00:55:28.880 public money

00:55:30.400 it burns

00:55:31.180 through 71

00:55:31.860 million pounds

00:55:32.720 of public

00:55:33.520 money

00:55:33.840 to tell us

00:55:35.080 that all

00:55:36.060 police officers

00:55:36.580 must be

00:55:36.900 graduates

00:55:37.360 and to

00:55:38.560 see hate

00:55:39.100 everywhere

00:55:39.560 honestly

00:55:40.320 honestly

00:55:41.000 you know

00:55:42.040 the religious

00:55:42.720 fanatics

00:55:43.220 who see

00:55:43.960 Jesus

00:55:44.380 in a slice

00:55:44.880 of toast

00:55:45.300 well this is

00:55:46.600 exactly the same

00:55:47.220 thing

00:55:47.480 the college

00:55:47.820 of policing

00:55:48.160 and teaching

00:55:48.500 officers

00:55:48.840 to see

00:55:49.680 hate

00:55:50.100 everywhere

00:55:50.980 now then

00:55:51.780 Mr. Brady

00:55:53.420 our war

00:55:54.820 veteran

00:55:55.180 the police

00:55:57.600 said

00:55:57.880 they used

00:55:58.800 the phrase

00:55:59.080 this was

00:55:59.500 three strikes

00:56:00.280 on your

00:56:00.520 out

00:56:00.720 he'd

00:56:00.960 clocked

00:56:01.240 up

00:56:01.420 two

00:56:01.920 previous

00:56:02.320 non-crime

00:56:02.720 hate

00:56:02.940 incidents

00:56:03.280 this was

00:56:03.920 his third

00:56:04.280 one

00:56:04.580 and so

00:56:05.120 boom

00:56:05.520 that was

00:56:05.940 it

00:56:06.140 now

00:56:06.720 the first

00:56:07.680 hate

00:56:08.840 incident

00:56:09.260 was

00:56:09.920 you know

00:56:10.280 the meme

00:56:10.720 of Hitler

00:56:11.080 in his

00:56:11.360 bunker

00:56:11.600 that's

00:56:11.820 been going

00:56:12.160 around

00:56:12.460 since

00:56:12.660 about

00:56:12.880 2006

00:56:13.580 oh yeah

00:56:14.380 from

00:56:14.880 downfall

00:56:15.420 so that

00:56:17.560 was

00:56:17.720 classed

00:56:18.040 as a

00:56:18.240 racist

00:56:18.520 hate

00:56:18.800 incident

00:56:19.120 so that

00:56:19.880 was

00:56:20.020 strike

00:56:20.340 one

00:56:20.720 okie dokie

00:56:21.740 strike

00:56:22.820 two

00:56:23.400 was

00:56:24.600 it was

00:56:25.160 a picture

00:56:25.580 of

00:56:26.080 Tom

00:56:26.680 Daley

00:56:26.920 doing

00:56:27.180 some

00:56:27.420 knitting

00:56:27.640 and he

00:56:28.800 put

00:56:29.120 Tom

00:56:29.880 Daley's

00:56:30.280 knitting

00:56:31.500 a

00:56:31.720 cock

00:56:31.920 warmer

00:56:32.180 now if

00:56:33.300 you look

00:56:33.600 at the

00:56:33.840 picture

00:56:34.200 it

00:56:35.740 cannot

00:56:35.980 be

00:56:36.200 anything

00:56:36.440 but

00:56:36.700 a

00:56:36.840 cock

00:56:37.060 warmer

00:56:37.360 it

00:56:38.200 is

00:56:38.400 a

00:56:38.620 knitted

00:56:38.900 ball

00:56:39.300 sack

00:56:39.640 and

00:56:39.880 penis

00:56:40.400 that's

00:56:41.280 what

00:56:41.460 it

00:56:41.620 is

00:56:41.880 it

00:56:42.320 cannot

00:56:42.660 be

00:56:43.120 reasonably

00:56:43.940 construed

00:56:44.580 as

00:56:45.000 anything

00:56:45.540 else

00:56:46.120 Tom

00:56:46.960 Daley's

00:56:47.340 holding

00:56:47.700 it

00:56:47.900 like

00:56:48.100 this

00:56:48.300 with

00:56:48.420 a

00:56:48.520 smile

00:56:48.740 on

00:56:48.880 his

00:56:48.980 face

00:56:49.280 he

00:56:49.880 knows

00:56:50.360 it

00:56:50.520 looks

00:56:50.740 like

00:56:50.940 a

00:56:51.080 cock

00:56:51.260 warmer

00:56:51.640 that's

00:56:52.420 why

00:56:52.700 he

00:56:52.880 put

00:56:53.240 it

00:56:53.400 there

00:56:53.760 but

00:56:54.280 the

00:56:54.440 police

00:56:54.760 have

00:56:54.900 decided

00:56:55.340 that

00:56:56.020 this

00:56:56.220 was

00:56:56.460 homophobic

00:56:57.300 hate

00:56:57.740 and recorded

00:56:58.980 it

00:56:59.260 against

00:56:59.620 Mr.

00:56:59.980 Brady

00:57:00.260 as a

00:57:01.180 non-crime

00:57:02.460 hate

00:57:02.980 incident

00:57:03.460 homophobia

00:57:04.340 that's

00:57:05.480 that's

00:57:06.200 the state

00:57:06.920 that we

00:57:07.640 are

00:57:08.160 in

00:57:08.640 but

00:57:09.360 Harry

00:57:09.760 isn't

00:57:10.300 also

00:57:10.720 the problem

00:57:11.260 as well

00:57:11.680 that the

00:57:12.060 police

00:57:12.340 are merely

00:57:12.960 reflecting

00:57:13.660 the culture

00:57:14.500 as a

00:57:14.880 whole

00:57:15.160 the

00:57:15.900 universities

00:57:16.660 no

00:57:17.200 let's

00:57:18.160 define

00:57:18.480 culture

00:57:18.900 they are

00:57:19.620 reflecting

00:57:20.480 a

00:57:21.400 powerful

00:57:22.400 minority

00:57:23.620 yes

00:57:23.980 that's what

00:57:24.800 they're doing

00:57:25.700 culture

00:57:26.420 the elite

00:57:27.040 culture

00:57:28.360 which

00:57:28.720 then

00:57:30.800 trickles

00:57:31.320 down

00:57:31.540 in

00:57:31.700 society

00:57:32.260 the

00:57:32.840 rest

00:57:33.920 of us

00:57:34.240 we are

00:57:34.580 the

00:57:35.600 proles

00:57:36.080 that's

00:57:36.700 what

00:57:36.860 we are

00:57:37.460 we are

00:57:38.320 those who

00:57:38.880 have not

00:57:39.160 signed up

00:57:39.800 to the

00:57:40.840 politburo

00:57:41.440 who are not

00:57:41.900 part of

00:57:42.400 the

00:57:42.540 Stalinist

00:57:43.160 Maoist

00:57:43.920 elite

00:57:44.580 and you

00:57:45.900 know how

00:57:46.280 it was

00:57:46.540 in

00:57:46.920 Maoist

00:57:47.660 China

00:57:48.020 you know

00:57:48.960 you could

00:57:49.280 say

00:57:49.840 oh

00:57:50.920 you know

00:57:51.180 I've only

00:57:51.520 got one

00:57:51.880 chicky

00:57:52.080 my neighbour's

00:57:52.580 got three

00:57:53.020 he's a

00:57:53.540 capitalist

00:57:53.840 and they

00:57:54.300 come down

00:57:54.740 and have

00:57:55.280 him shot

00:57:55.700 we're in

00:57:56.920 that sort

00:57:57.760 of situation

00:57:58.700 where neighbour

00:57:59.600 can grass

00:58:00.260 upon neighbour

00:58:01.000 where children

00:58:02.060 are being

00:58:02.960 encouraged

00:58:03.920 to grass

00:58:04.400 upon their

00:58:04.780 parents

00:58:05.240 where children

00:58:06.160 are being

00:58:06.580 encouraged

00:58:06.920 to grass

00:58:07.280 upon other

00:58:07.920 children

00:58:08.360 in

00:58:09.580 where was

00:58:10.760 it

00:58:11.040 I think

00:58:13.160 it was

00:58:13.360 Warwickshire

00:58:14.740 a few weeks

00:58:15.340 ago

00:58:15.620 I might

00:58:16.020 be wrong

00:58:16.200 about that

00:58:17.460 a police

00:58:20.260 force

00:58:20.860 turned up

00:58:21.700 at the

00:58:22.460 door

00:58:22.780 of a

00:58:23.600 14

00:58:24.260 year

00:58:24.500 old

00:58:24.860 autistic

00:58:25.800 child

00:58:26.420 okay

00:58:27.980 said

00:58:29.260 that

00:58:29.600 he was

00:58:30.260 guilty

00:58:30.580 of a

00:58:31.220 section

00:58:31.660 section

00:58:32.480 4

00:58:32.840 public

00:58:33.140 order

00:58:33.360 offence

00:58:33.760 which

00:58:34.060 with a

00:58:34.780 repeat

00:58:35.200 would

00:58:35.580 end

00:58:36.100 in

00:58:36.260 two

00:58:36.520 years

00:58:36.760 in

00:58:36.940 jail

00:58:37.220 what

00:58:38.480 he had

00:58:38.840 done

00:58:39.140 was

00:58:39.500 in

00:58:39.760 the

00:58:39.920 playground

00:58:40.320 he

00:58:41.300 looked

00:58:41.600 at

00:58:41.840 a

00:58:42.140 girl

00:58:42.540 who

00:58:43.020 was

00:58:43.220 a

00:58:43.380 girl

00:58:43.680 but

00:58:44.860 who

00:58:45.020 dressed

00:58:45.340 like

00:58:45.900 a

00:58:46.020 girl

00:58:46.260 who

00:58:47.620 dressed

00:58:49.200 like

00:58:49.400 a

00:58:49.520 girl

00:58:49.700 had

00:58:49.900 long

00:58:50.100 hair

00:58:50.280 like

00:58:50.480 a

00:58:50.620 girl

00:58:50.860 etc

00:58:51.840 but

00:58:52.400 who

00:58:52.560 said

00:58:52.860 she

00:58:53.160 was

00:58:53.320 a

00:58:53.440 boy

00:58:53.640 and

00:58:54.460 he

00:58:54.600 refused

00:58:54.880 to

00:58:55.000 believe

00:58:55.200 her

00:58:55.380 he

00:58:56.120 said

00:58:56.240 no

00:58:56.360 you're

00:58:56.500 a

00:58:56.600 girl

00:58:56.780 so

00:58:57.780 the

00:58:58.040 school

00:58:58.720 told

00:59:00.620 the

00:59:01.000 police

00:59:01.460 the

00:59:02.700 police

00:59:03.220 visited

00:59:04.120 the

00:59:04.580 parents

00:59:05.080 told

00:59:06.500 it

00:59:06.680 read him

00:59:07.080 literally

00:59:07.500 the riot

00:59:08.280 act

00:59:08.720 okay

00:59:09.620 I

00:59:10.540 I

00:59:10.560 have

00:59:10.780 on

00:59:11.000 tape

00:59:11.480 the

00:59:12.500 subsequent

00:59:12.880 interview

00:59:13.440 between

00:59:13.800 the

00:59:13.980 boy's

00:59:14.240 parent

00:59:14.660 the

00:59:15.340 child

00:59:16.020 and

00:59:16.840 the

00:59:17.020 school

00:59:17.520 we

00:59:18.780 have

00:59:18.880 it

00:59:18.960 all

00:59:19.060 on

00:59:19.200 tape

00:59:19.460 and

00:59:20.260 they

00:59:20.400 say

00:59:20.700 to

00:59:20.880 him

00:59:21.100 where

00:59:21.740 are

00:59:22.040 you

00:59:22.240 getting

00:59:22.560 radicalized

00:59:23.380 where

00:59:24.220 how do

00:59:24.840 we

00:59:24.960 stop

00:59:25.320 you

00:59:25.500 getting

00:59:25.840 radicalized

00:59:26.820 because

00:59:27.040 if

00:59:27.240 you

00:59:27.380 continue

00:59:28.000 if

00:59:28.800 you

00:59:28.940 continue

00:59:29.380 in

00:59:29.700 this

00:59:29.860 vein

00:59:30.120 and

00:59:30.560 do

00:59:30.760 not

00:59:31.000 learn

00:59:31.480 how

00:59:31.940 wrong

00:59:32.320 your

00:59:32.580 behavior

00:59:33.020 is

00:59:33.500 one

00:59:34.360 you

00:59:35.060 would

00:59:35.220 be

00:59:35.380 fired

00:59:35.680 from

00:59:35.900 a

00:59:36.040 job

00:59:36.300 and

00:59:37.020 if

00:59:37.160 you

00:59:37.280 would

00:59:37.420 say

00:59:37.720 that

00:59:37.960 in

00:59:38.160 a

00:59:38.320 pub

00:59:38.580 you

00:59:39.360 would

00:59:39.520 probably

00:59:39.880 be

00:59:40.100 glassed

00:59:40.720 what

00:59:41.740 you

00:59:42.620 heard

00:59:42.800 me

00:59:42.920 right

00:59:43.240 you

00:59:43.780 would

00:59:43.940 probably

00:59:44.380 be

00:59:44.880 glassed

00:59:45.520 they

00:59:45.700 said

00:59:45.940 that

00:59:46.140 to

00:59:46.320 a

00:59:46.480 14

00:59:46.900 year

00:59:47.080 old

00:59:47.300 autistic

00:59:47.760 boy

00:59:48.300 yes

00:59:48.700 and

00:59:49.180 his

00:59:49.360 parents

00:59:49.760 this

00:59:50.280 was

00:59:50.420 the

00:59:50.580 head

00:59:50.720 of

00:59:50.840 year

00:59:51.000 10

00:59:51.280 and

00:59:51.560 the

00:59:51.680 head

00:59:51.800 teacher

00:59:52.160 who

00:59:52.940 warned

00:59:53.240 the

00:59:53.380 boy

00:59:53.600 that

00:59:53.820 unless

00:59:54.120 they

00:59:54.400 could

00:59:54.580 break

00:59:54.960 the

00:59:55.380 cycle

00:59:55.700 of

00:59:55.880 radicalism

00:59:56.560 that

00:59:57.720 he

00:59:57.920 would

00:59:58.100 be

00:59:58.380 sacked

00:59:58.900 and

00:59:59.580 he

00:59:59.700 would

00:59:59.860 be

01:00:00.000 glassed

01:00:00.360 in

01:00:00.440 the

01:00:00.560 face

01:00:00.900 and

01:00:01.300 this

01:00:01.440 was

01:00:01.580 supported

01:00:01.900 by

01:00:02.100 the

01:00:02.300 police

01:00:02.680 who

01:00:03.140 told

01:00:03.540 him

01:00:03.880 came

01:00:04.320 to

01:00:04.460 his

01:00:04.620 house

01:00:04.920 and

01:00:05.340 said

01:00:05.600 anymore

01:00:06.260 he

01:00:06.900 could

01:00:07.020 be

01:00:07.120 looking

01:00:07.320 at

01:00:07.460 a

01:00:07.540 two

01:00:07.660 year

01:00:07.800 jail

01:00:08.000 sentence

01:00:08.400 now

01:00:08.880 you

01:00:09.200 tell

01:00:09.620 me

01:00:10.060 that

01:00:11.120 that's

01:00:11.300 not

01:00:11.440 fascism

01:00:12.100 well

01:00:12.420 that is

01:00:12.760 fascism

01:00:13.100 and

01:00:13.400 that's

01:00:13.620 what

01:00:13.740 I'm

01:00:13.880 saying

01:00:14.120 I'm

01:00:14.760 more

01:00:14.940 optimistic

01:00:15.360 on the

01:00:15.740 trans

01:00:16.000 thing

01:00:16.160 Harry

01:00:16.400 because

01:00:16.680 we've

01:00:17.080 seen

01:00:17.240 some

01:00:17.480 good

01:00:17.900 wins

01:00:18.220 in

01:00:18.380 the

01:00:18.480 last

01:00:18.680 few

01:00:18.880 weeks

01:00:19.140 on

01:00:19.320 that

01:00:19.520 and

01:00:19.660 I

01:00:19.800 think

01:00:20.060 when

01:00:21.020 people

01:00:21.320 see

01:00:21.620 the

01:00:21.860 outcome

01:00:22.200 of

01:00:22.420 these

01:00:31.440 this

01:00:31.660 law

01:00:32.000 stuff

01:00:32.440 if

01:00:32.920 this

01:00:33.440 is

01:00:33.560 what

01:00:33.720 the

01:00:33.860 police

01:00:34.140 are

01:00:34.300 routinely

01:00:34.640 going

01:00:35.000 around

01:00:35.300 and

01:00:35.500 doing

01:00:35.720 I'm

01:00:35.920 afraid

01:00:36.100 I'm

01:00:36.340 not

01:00:36.500 persuaded

01:00:36.940 that

01:00:37.300 the

01:00:37.840 right

01:00:38.100 training

01:00:38.480 course

01:00:38.920 is

01:00:39.580 going

01:00:39.740 to

01:00:39.820 do

01:00:39.920 that

01:00:40.060 these

01:00:40.480 people

01:00:40.780 cannot

01:00:41.120 be

01:00:41.360 allowed

01:00:41.640 to

01:00:41.800 have

01:00:41.920 this

01:00:42.040 much

01:00:42.220 power

01:00:42.540 well

01:00:43.420 okay

01:00:44.240 back in

01:00:44.780 the day

01:00:45.420 prior to

01:00:46.080 prior to

01:00:46.660 the 1980s

01:00:48.180 1990s

01:00:48.800 okay the

01:00:49.360 police had

01:00:49.940 their problems

01:00:50.620 no two ways

01:00:51.360 about it

01:00:51.800 yes

01:00:52.080 but they

01:00:52.720 didn't

01:00:53.280 they didn't

01:00:53.900 spend their

01:00:54.300 time doing

01:00:54.720 this nonsense

01:00:55.300 they spent

01:00:56.260 their time

01:00:56.900 chasing down

01:00:57.780 burglars

01:00:58.360 preventing

01:01:01.440 all the rest

01:01:02.180 of it

01:01:02.520 now what's

01:01:03.280 got wrong

01:01:03.720 I don't

01:01:04.520 think the

01:01:04.920 police have

01:01:05.340 suddenly become

01:01:05.840 utterly stupid

01:01:06.720 but if they

01:01:08.680 have it's a

01:01:10.080 product of

01:01:10.700 design because

01:01:11.980 what the

01:01:12.740 college of

01:01:13.120 policing and

01:01:13.720 police want

01:01:14.220 is automatons

01:01:15.560 not not

01:01:17.120 regular people

01:01:18.420 they want an

01:01:19.280 elite police

01:01:20.980 force that

01:01:22.060 represents which

01:01:23.080 is more like

01:01:23.540 the stars

01:01:23.960 these are

01:01:24.880 thought these

01:01:25.840 are first and

01:01:26.420 foremost thought

01:01:27.260 police ideological

01:01:28.300 policing regular

01:01:29.700 regular policing

01:01:31.140 comes second

01:01:32.340 which is why

01:01:33.200 they want

01:01:33.540 graduates who

01:01:34.580 have been

01:01:34.940 exposed to this

01:01:35.640 ideology who

01:01:36.380 understand it

01:01:37.260 who know how

01:01:38.620 to do tick

01:01:39.080 box policing

01:01:39.700 same as they

01:01:40.480 got their

01:01:40.800 degree by

01:01:41.280 tick box

01:01:42.400 essay writing

01:01:43.440 etc without

01:01:44.400 any form of

01:01:45.300 critical theory

01:01:46.260 well that's

01:01:47.420 critical bone

01:01:48.080 in their body

01:01:49.020 just automaton

01:01:51.000 the algorithm

01:01:51.840 says therefore

01:01:53.440 go and do

01:01:54.160 this

01:01:54.480 this is law

01:01:56.040 by algorithm

01:01:56.800 and it

01:01:57.960 is absolutely

01:01:59.520 terrifying

01:02:00.800 so I

01:02:01.900 don't know

01:02:02.380 you know

01:02:02.580 when you're

01:02:02.860 trying to

01:02:03.420 find a

01:02:04.240 single cause

01:02:05.060 it's very

01:02:05.460 hard

01:02:05.700 it's very

01:02:07.000 hard to

01:02:07.240 find it

01:02:07.440 but what

01:02:08.040 I do know

01:02:08.480 is the

01:02:09.040 college of

01:02:09.380 policing is

01:02:09.940 one thing

01:02:10.320 it needs

01:02:10.800 shutting down

01:02:11.500 the oath

01:02:12.720 of attestation

01:02:13.420 needs returning

01:02:14.360 back to as

01:02:15.340 it was

01:02:15.720 and police

01:02:16.680 need to

01:02:17.260 understand

01:02:17.820 they have

01:02:18.500 no part

01:02:19.680 in politics

01:02:20.420 whatsoever

01:02:21.280 absolutely

01:02:22.260 none

01:02:23.200 if it looks

01:02:24.320 political

01:02:24.820 it is

01:02:25.480 political

01:02:25.900 and that's

01:02:26.680 it

01:02:26.820 you just

01:02:27.380 back away

01:02:28.060 you do

01:02:28.700 not put

01:02:29.080 a pride

01:02:29.460 flag on

01:02:30.060 you don't

01:02:30.580 I'm even

01:02:31.120 now against

01:02:31.840 the thin

01:02:32.420 blue line

01:02:32.960 badges

01:02:33.600 that police

01:02:34.320 officers

01:02:34.760 wear

01:02:35.320 I'm not

01:02:36.040 even persuaded

01:02:36.800 that the

01:02:37.640 police should

01:02:38.200 be wearing

01:02:38.520 poppies

01:02:39.000 I never

01:02:41.200 thought I

01:02:41.540 would say

01:02:41.900 that

01:02:42.200 but if

01:02:42.680 that's

01:02:42.920 the price

01:02:43.340 that we

01:02:43.600 have to

01:02:43.940 pay

01:02:44.220 to get

01:02:44.900 back

01:02:45.440 to policing

01:02:46.900 that is

01:02:47.920 totally

01:02:48.620 politics free

01:02:49.380 then I

01:02:50.200 think it's

01:02:50.560 a price

01:02:51.020 worth paying

01:02:52.200 myself

01:02:52.800 see I'm

01:02:53.980 with you

01:02:54.280 on that

01:02:54.580 actually

01:02:54.940 I believe

01:02:55.560 that they

01:02:56.000 shouldn't

01:02:56.300 we shouldn't

01:02:56.700 politicize

01:02:57.360 any

01:02:58.040 institution

01:02:59.280 teaching

01:03:00.320 the NHS

01:03:01.080 policing

01:03:02.180 because once

01:03:03.040 you politicize

01:03:03.740 something Harry

01:03:04.320 you're encouraging

01:03:05.180 people to pick

01:03:05.920 a side

01:03:06.320 and once you

01:03:07.040 encourage people

01:03:07.580 to pick a

01:03:08.040 side

01:03:08.260 they're going

01:03:08.800 to look at

01:03:09.100 the other

01:03:09.360 side as

01:03:09.980 the enemy

01:03:10.700 allies and

01:03:12.480 enemies

01:03:12.760 and that's

01:03:13.440 very dangerous

01:03:14.100 because the

01:03:15.020 police should

01:03:15.760 be apolitical

01:03:16.920 it shouldn't

01:03:17.580 matter if it's

01:03:18.560 a conservative

01:03:19.100 breaking a law

01:03:19.980 a liberal

01:03:20.500 whatever it

01:03:21.680 may be

01:03:22.120 if someone

01:03:23.500 breaks the law

01:03:24.120 they break

01:03:24.600 the law

01:03:24.940 that's it

01:03:25.780 their politics

01:03:26.680 their view

01:03:27.600 their ideology

01:03:28.360 is irrelevant

01:03:29.140 it's difficult

01:03:30.200 isn't it

01:03:30.480 when only one

01:03:31.780 side of the

01:03:32.260 argument

01:03:32.660 is licensed

01:03:33.720 to carry

01:03:34.080 pepper spray

01:03:35.360 and a taser

01:03:36.260 and that's

01:03:36.980 the situation

01:03:37.720 that we're in

01:03:38.580 and the other

01:03:39.120 thing that we

01:03:39.520 need

01:03:39.740 we need

01:03:40.220 a policing

01:03:40.800 Brexit

01:03:41.180 that's what

01:03:41.940 we need

01:03:42.260 we need

01:03:42.920 to get

01:03:43.440 out of

01:03:44.440 the

01:03:44.820 continued

01:03:46.380 influence

01:03:47.380 of Europe

01:03:48.620 because the

01:03:49.560 national

01:03:49.900 LGBT

01:03:50.400 national

01:03:51.680 LGBT

01:03:52.500 police

01:03:53.200 network

01:03:53.740 now that

01:03:54.880 is a

01:03:55.200 network

01:03:55.640 of

01:03:56.120 officers

01:03:56.760 they all

01:03:57.460 have

01:03:57.700 each force

01:03:58.360 has its

01:03:59.020 own network

01:03:59.720 and they're

01:04:00.100 part of a

01:04:00.540 national network

01:04:01.360 and the

01:04:01.920 national network

01:04:02.700 sits on a

01:04:03.480 European network

01:04:04.400 which has

01:04:05.000 adopted the

01:04:05.800 entirety of

01:04:06.580 the policy

01:04:06.940 of Rainbow

01:04:07.320 Europe

01:04:07.700 which includes

01:04:09.020 the criminalizing

01:04:10.200 of hate speech

01:04:12.400 around a

01:04:13.280 private table

01:04:14.320 which includes

01:04:15.540 the criminalizing

01:04:16.680 of any form

01:04:18.120 of dissent

01:04:18.660 within schools

01:04:19.700 so we need

01:04:21.300 to have

01:04:21.660 a full

01:04:22.320 police

01:04:23.120 Brexit

01:04:23.720 no more

01:04:24.980 colluding

01:04:25.340 with Europe

01:04:25.900 none

01:04:26.520 the second

01:04:27.120 thing we need

01:04:27.560 to do

01:04:27.920 is have

01:04:28.580 the national

01:04:28.960 LGBT

01:04:29.360 network

01:04:30.100 shut down

01:04:30.980 because

01:04:31.960 at the

01:04:32.620 moment

01:04:32.840 I wrote

01:04:33.300 to every

01:04:33.840 single

01:04:34.120 chief

01:04:34.320 constable

01:04:34.680 and said

01:04:35.000 who are

01:04:35.840 your members

01:04:36.400 and they

01:04:37.080 said we've

01:04:37.460 no idea

01:04:37.940 but if we

01:04:39.100 did know

01:04:39.680 we couldn't

01:04:40.160 tell you

01:04:40.420 because of

01:04:40.760 GDPR

01:04:41.260 concerns

01:04:41.740 but what

01:04:42.480 about an

01:04:42.780 FOI

01:04:43.160 request

01:04:43.600 that's

01:04:44.100 your obligation

01:04:45.060 legally

01:04:45.440 isn't it

01:04:45.780 no

01:04:45.960 they say

01:04:46.380 we don't

01:04:46.720 hold the

01:04:47.980 information

01:04:48.360 and we're

01:04:49.040 not going

01:04:49.240 to tell

01:04:49.400 you because

01:04:49.620 of GDPR

01:04:50.220 so we

01:04:52.020 have we

01:04:52.560 have the

01:04:52.920 national LGBT

01:04:53.560 police network

01:04:54.400 issuing memes

01:04:56.040 that say

01:04:57.200 we stand

01:04:58.700 for Stonewall

01:04:59.560 not with

01:05:01.340 stand for

01:05:02.260 Stonewall

01:05:02.900 and then there

01:05:03.820 was this

01:05:04.060 absolutely

01:05:04.460 amazing one

01:05:05.160 that said

01:05:05.560 they were

01:05:08.140 celebrating the

01:05:09.080 inclusion of

01:05:09.660 trans women

01:05:10.160 in sport

01:05:11.140 and of course

01:05:11.580 there was a

01:05:11.860 little bit of

01:05:12.220 pushback from

01:05:12.940 feminists

01:05:13.780 and gender

01:05:14.040 critical people

01:05:14.700 and their

01:05:15.540 response was to

01:05:16.320 say we see

01:05:17.480 you we have

01:05:18.320 reported you

01:05:18.980 this from a

01:05:21.440 police account

01:05:22.460 okay we see

01:05:24.120 you we have

01:05:24.740 reported you

01:05:25.300 I wrote to

01:05:26.620 them and

01:05:27.300 said who

01:05:28.360 have you

01:05:28.700 seen what

01:05:29.760 have you

01:05:30.140 seen who

01:05:31.140 seen it and

01:05:32.180 who have you

01:05:32.580 reported it

01:05:33.160 to because

01:05:34.380 that's open

01:05:34.760 policing they

01:05:36.120 wouldn't tell

01:05:36.440 us they

01:05:37.760 wouldn't tell

01:05:38.080 us so it

01:05:38.740 just exists as

01:05:40.200 a threat

01:05:41.160 against against

01:05:43.060 people okay

01:05:44.140 we had we

01:05:44.720 had we had

01:05:45.260 one of the

01:05:45.960 chief inspectors

01:05:46.600 of diversity

01:05:47.220 and inclusion

01:05:47.760 from the

01:05:48.120 college of

01:05:48.400 policing wishing

01:05:49.640 all the

01:05:50.000 homophobes a

01:05:50.900 super uncomfortable

01:05:51.540 pride month

01:05:52.280 what's diverse

01:05:54.820 about that

01:05:55.180 what happens

01:05:55.520 if you're a

01:05:56.060 what if you're

01:05:56.660 a if you're

01:05:57.340 a traditional

01:05:57.940 christian what

01:05:59.500 if you're an

01:06:00.000 orthodox jew

01:06:01.540 what if you're a

01:06:02.660 traditional muslim

01:06:04.520 and you you have

01:06:05.740 some questions

01:06:06.540 about homosexuality

01:06:08.220 that you're not

01:06:09.660 going to celebrate

01:06:10.360 it what is the

01:06:11.740 college of policing

01:06:12.360 diversity and

01:06:13.560 inclusion officer

01:06:14.580 telling you

01:06:15.980 from a police

01:06:16.840 account that

01:06:17.820 she wishes you

01:06:18.540 a super

01:06:19.180 uncomfortable

01:06:19.760 month that's

01:06:21.720 where we're at

01:06:22.360 that's where

01:06:23.380 we're at of

01:06:23.820 course when we

01:06:24.740 resist it we're

01:06:26.660 then told that

01:06:27.220 we're the

01:06:27.480 haters

01:06:27.840 i think we have a

01:06:30.880 lot of work to

01:06:31.400 do man yeah

01:06:32.000 just by the

01:06:32.520 sound of it

01:06:33.160 we do have a

01:06:34.220 lot of work

01:06:34.640 it is it is

01:06:36.500 mind-boggling to

01:06:37.720 me that we're

01:06:38.240 having this

01:06:38.640 conversation

01:06:39.200 i i really

01:06:41.320 genuinely don't

01:06:42.380 know what it

01:06:42.980 is absolutely

01:06:43.880 it's ridiculous

01:06:44.920 it is ridiculous

01:06:46.860 that we are in

01:06:47.620 this position

01:06:48.120 um harry so i

01:06:50.020 have no doubt

01:06:50.620 that you're going

01:06:51.200 to be getting

01:06:51.580 involved in more

01:06:52.660 of these cases

01:06:53.380 uh congratulations

01:06:54.720 on winning the

01:06:56.200 last one

01:06:56.680 uh the latest

01:06:58.420 with this guy is

01:06:59.300 he's had an

01:06:59.780 apology

01:07:00.140 he's not had an

01:07:01.820 apology um all

01:07:03.140 all interest by

01:07:04.720 the police in him

01:07:05.380 has been dropped

01:07:06.320 um the the good

01:07:08.060 pcc of hampshire

01:07:10.740 came out immediately

01:07:11.540 i can't remember

01:07:11.860 say donna somebody

01:07:12.660 i can't remember

01:07:12.960 second name

01:07:13.320 she came out

01:07:14.080 immediately and

01:07:15.020 said this is

01:07:15.560 absolutely ridiculous

01:07:16.700 and they dropped

01:07:17.640 it i of course

01:07:19.000 um it was

01:07:20.220 released uh

01:07:21.560 pending further

01:07:22.440 investigation so

01:07:23.580 you know i may

01:07:25.000 still be charged

01:07:26.020 i really hope they

01:07:27.200 do charge me

01:07:28.240 because i will

01:07:29.180 have a field day

01:07:30.480 uh yeah that's

01:07:31.820 why they won't

01:07:32.360 charge i don't

01:07:32.880 think and this is

01:07:33.700 the other thing

01:07:34.260 see this is why

01:07:35.600 they didn't arrest

01:07:36.200 lawrence yeah

01:07:37.200 they're they're

01:07:38.860 targeting ordinary

01:07:39.980 people because they

01:07:41.720 know how this looks

01:07:42.680 to the general

01:07:43.180 public and they

01:07:44.240 know that if they

01:07:44.920 arrest lawrence or

01:07:45.920 someone like that

01:07:46.640 who's got a big

01:07:47.280 audience it's

01:07:48.980 going to be in

01:07:49.440 the newspapers

01:07:50.000 they're going to

01:07:50.640 get ridiculed

01:07:51.220 well exactly right

01:07:53.860 but my my question

01:07:55.280 is what happens

01:07:55.860 if if you and

01:07:56.740 lawrence aren't

01:07:57.160 there this guy's

01:07:59.040 life gets destroyed

01:07:59.900 right i agree and

01:08:01.480 so we we we got to

01:08:02.940 find a way to deal

01:08:03.620 with this we really

01:08:04.560 really do yeah no

01:08:05.540 we we we've got our

01:08:07.220 we've got our work

01:08:07.960 cut out and the

01:08:08.660 reason that we're so

01:08:09.700 so aggressive when

01:08:11.720 when we find these

01:08:12.640 things you know we're

01:08:13.440 absolutely merciless i

01:08:14.580 said i said you know

01:08:16.140 do you want an

01:08:16.620 apology i said no i

01:08:17.620 want the chief

01:08:18.040 constable said in my

01:08:18.960 fridge i didn't

01:08:20.920 mean it that is

01:08:21.620 hate speech i didn't

01:08:22.360 mean it metaphorically

01:08:23.600 not literally because

01:08:26.160 what i want to do is

01:08:27.600 what they've been

01:08:28.180 doing which is create a

01:08:30.000 chilling effect yes i

01:08:31.220 want every chief

01:08:31.900 constable in the

01:08:32.580 country to know that

01:08:33.920 harry miller of the

01:08:34.900 bad law project is

01:08:36.360 their worst nightmare

01:08:37.280 because if i find out

01:08:39.000 what's going on then

01:08:40.240 we will just unleash

01:08:41.560 hell absolute hell

01:08:42.800 because we don't care

01:08:44.160 we're not we haven't got

01:08:45.660 reputations that we're

01:08:47.160 trying to um you know

01:08:49.380 protect we don't care

01:08:50.940 we're just like bazookas

01:08:53.120 we'll just go in like and

01:08:55.040 just fuck you up man just

01:08:57.160 absolutely fuck you up if

01:08:58.980 you treat the british

01:09:00.600 public with that degree of

01:09:01.740 contempt i'm going to take

01:09:03.320 it personally because you're

01:09:04.460 not only treating the

01:09:05.320 public with contempt you are

01:09:06.920 disrespecting the queen

01:09:08.420 you're disrespecting the

01:09:10.540 source of your power and so

01:09:12.120 i'm going to resist you

01:09:13.200 with everything i've got

01:09:14.380 so you can expect more

01:09:15.840 of lawrence fox and i

01:09:17.100 bursting from the

01:09:18.520 kitchens with the film

01:09:19.480 crew and jumping out of

01:09:20.660 hedges and you know

01:09:22.180 leaping out of trees on

01:09:23.980 behalf of the great

01:09:24.740 british public

01:09:25.380 you sound like jeremy

01:09:26.500 beadle mate

01:09:27.140 absolutely i don't care

01:09:31.740 though i don't this is

01:09:33.060 the thing they don't

01:09:34.020 understand i just don't

01:09:35.560 care yeah i'll take them

01:09:36.860 all to court i'll fight

01:09:38.500 with them all because

01:09:40.160 this matters you know

01:09:41.960 just watching your

01:09:42.820 your your reaction about

01:09:45.200 all this i know that

01:09:47.180 we're on the right side

01:09:47.780 of history because you

01:09:48.900 recognize how wrong this

01:09:51.500 you recognize how wrong

01:09:52.860 this is and of course you

01:09:53.820 have a bit of background

01:09:54.840 um from from eastern

01:09:57.360 uh eastern europe so

01:09:58.800 you're sort of familiar

01:09:59.640 with how bad it can go

01:10:02.460 yeah but harry you don't

01:10:03.420 have to be from eastern

01:10:04.300 europe mate like you've

01:10:05.300 got to read a fucking

01:10:05.880 book like history is

01:10:07.540 filled with this all of

01:10:09.820 this people shutting down

01:10:12.300 the speech of others in

01:10:13.520 order to control what

01:10:14.460 they say and think yeah

01:10:15.540 you don't have to be from

01:10:16.420 eastern europe you just

01:10:17.100 have to have half a brain

01:10:18.020 yeah no i i i agree with

01:10:20.480 you i agree with you so

01:10:21.440 for me i take the

01:10:22.460 approach you know

01:10:23.320 understand the law and

01:10:25.120 then go right up to the

01:10:26.060 edge yeah good well look

01:10:27.500 you're doing good work i'm

01:10:28.640 sure we will see plenty of

01:10:30.060 you in the future uh best of

01:10:32.120 luck to you with it all

01:10:32.940 uh we're gonna ask you a

01:10:33.920 couple of questions from

01:10:35.440 our supporters uh that

01:10:37.220 only they will get to see

01:10:38.380 on locals they've already

01:10:39.460 submitted a bunch um but

01:10:41.380 in the meantime as you

01:10:42.320 know we've got one final

01:10:43.400 question for you which is

01:10:44.460 always what's the one

01:10:45.240 thing we're not talking

01:10:46.340 about that we really

01:10:47.240 should be um i i think

01:10:51.300 one thing that we should

01:10:52.140 be talking about is the um

01:10:53.840 the the the vacuum that

01:10:56.060 there is um in the home

01:10:59.160 office that the that

01:11:01.220 priti patel she knows that

01:11:03.700 all this is wrong she has

01:11:05.040 the power to do something

01:11:05.780 about it and she doesn't

01:11:07.700 do it she allows she's

01:11:09.940 subcontracted it at no pay

01:11:11.800 whatsoever to individuals

01:11:13.520 like myself individuals like

01:11:15.440 bosie parker and a whole

01:11:17.340 bunch of other activists to

01:11:18.960 do the job that government

01:11:20.760 ought to be doing there you

01:11:23.140 go priti if you're watching

01:11:24.120 sort it out yeah sorry out

01:11:25.560 love um anyway uh harry

01:11:27.600 thanks for coming back on

01:11:28.600 the show really great to see

01:11:29.720 you and thank you for

01:11:30.860 watching and listening we

01:11:32.280 will see you on locals with

01:11:33.420 a couple of bonus

01:11:34.340 questions that you've asked

01:11:35.340 for harry and also we will

01:11:36.940 see you uh next week or in

01:11:38.780 a few days with another

01:11:39.640 brilliant episode like this

01:11:40.820 one or or show all of them

01:11:42.980 go out at 7 p.m uk time and

01:11:44.720 for those of you who like

01:11:45.580 your trigonometry on the go

01:11:47.060 it's also available as a

01:11:48.660 podcast take care and see you

01:11:50.840 soon guys what's the best

01:11:54.120 way to handle the situation

01:11:55.460 if we unfortunately find

01:11:57.440 ourselves in trouble with the

01:11:58.780 police for wrong things in

01:11:59.840 this way

01:12:15.040 you

01:12:15.560 you

01:12:23.620 you

TRIGGERnometry - August 25, 2022

Arrested for a Meme - Harry Miller

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