TRIGGERnometry - August 25, 2022


Arrested for a Meme - Harry Miller


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 12 minutes

Words per Minute

166.85693

Word Count

12,083

Sentence Count

270

Misogynist Sentences

19

Hate Speech Sentences

28


Summary

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Francis and Constantine are joined by Harry Miller to discuss the recent arrest of a man for posting a controversial meme on social media, and the police response to it. Also, Francis and Constantine talk about whether the police have a problem with the term 'offensive' and why they should be worried about it.

Transcript

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Misogyny classifications generated with MilaNLProc/bert-base-uncased-ear-misogyny .
Hate speech classifications generated with facebook/roberta-hate-speech-dynabench-r4-target .
00:00:00.000 He looked me straight in the eye and said,
00:00:02.400 Harry, you should understand that common sense
00:00:04.980 is not an appropriate tool for a police officer.
00:00:09.080 This is what happens when you stand in defence
00:00:12.540 of a member of the public whose only alleged crime
00:00:15.940 is posting a flag on Facebook.
00:00:19.960 There was no rationale, no reason, no argument,
00:00:24.260 no appeal to basic humanity, no appeal to history,
00:00:27.500 no appeal to context, no appeal to anything
00:00:30.320 that was going to stop them on their mission
00:00:32.380 to make an arrest over a meme.
00:00:38.280 Is that the case, sir?
00:00:39.760 No, not really. Not really.
00:00:42.480 As far as they're concerned,
00:00:43.980 it doesn't matter if they're on the wrong side of the law,
00:00:46.920 providing in their minds they're on the right side of history.
00:00:49.420 That's the problem that we have.
00:00:57.500 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry.
00:01:06.120 I'm Francis Foster.
00:01:07.580 I'm Constantine Kishin.
00:01:08.700 And this is a show for you
00:01:10.340 if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.
00:01:14.320 Our brilliant and returning guest today
00:01:16.440 is a notorious thought criminal, Harry Miller.
00:01:19.100 Welcome back to Trigonometry.
00:01:20.380 Thanks for having me on. This has been fantastic.
00:01:22.180 It was great. I enjoyed it last time.
00:01:23.480 You will note that I'm not wearing the jumper
00:01:26.020 that you so roundly mocked after I was on last time.
00:01:30.400 Did we mock his jumper?
00:01:31.400 Yeah, it was a nice blue piece, I think,
00:01:33.140 with like a maroon sort of cross.
00:01:35.640 And I remember watching your show a few weeks ago
00:01:37.260 and you did mention me
00:01:38.380 and you were quite disparaging about my jumper.
00:01:41.140 So I thought...
00:01:41.780 I don't remember saying anything about your jumper.
00:01:43.760 Much more blunt. I'll find it and show you.
00:01:45.160 Stop slagging off his jumper.
00:01:46.480 It caused me a lot of anxiety.
00:01:48.120 Yeah, yeah.
00:01:49.140 Well, thank you for not reporting us to the police.
00:01:51.880 But, Harry, we're joking around, of course,
00:01:53.420 and it's great to see you again.
00:01:54.580 I hope you're well.
00:01:55.940 We were actually not going to do any interviews in August at all
00:01:59.280 because we've just come back from a really long trip.
00:02:01.900 We're quite tired.
00:02:02.660 We need a bit of rest and recuperation.
00:02:04.140 But while we were in America,
00:02:06.020 we saw this thing going on with you.
00:02:09.420 And I just can't tell you how unbelievably angry it made me,
00:02:13.080 seeing it, particularly because we were in the US.
00:02:15.120 We were enjoying the freedoms of the country,
00:02:17.680 people being able to say what they think
00:02:19.240 and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:02:20.240 And then we see on social media
00:02:22.980 that you're involved in an incident.
00:02:24.820 We'll get you to talk about it.
00:02:25.940 But essentially where a man is being arrested
00:02:27.780 for sharing a meme on Facebook, right?
00:02:30.220 So just take us through it from the beginning.
00:02:33.120 What's happened?
00:02:35.200 OK, well, sometime earlier this year,
00:02:37.840 Lawrence Fox put as his profile picture
00:02:41.480 this image of four intersectional trans flags
00:02:45.620 which were set so that the vector in them,
00:02:50.060 I think it's the Black Lives Matter vector,
00:02:53.740 the race theory vector,
00:02:56.100 if you position them in a certain way,
00:02:57.600 it gives the impression, perhaps, of a swastika.
00:03:01.760 Now, Lawrence Fox didn't invent this meme.
00:03:04.740 I've seen this meme for the last two or three years.
00:03:07.760 So he's a joke thief.
00:03:09.120 Yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah.
00:03:10.920 It's been around for a long, long time.
00:03:12.320 But nevertheless, Lawrence has got, I don't know,
00:03:13.880 a quarter of a million followers.
00:03:14.860 So when he tweeted this out, it got some traction.
00:03:21.220 An army veteran from Aldershot.
00:03:23.280 30 years service, three tours of duty,
00:03:25.360 a chest filled with medals,
00:03:27.780 including for loyal service, good conduct, etc, etc.
00:03:31.780 I believe that he was a warrant officer.
00:03:34.180 He was a proper sound guy, royal green jacket.
00:03:37.840 On a Facebook forum, a discussion forum
00:03:40.400 called, wait for it, mass debaters.
00:03:43.860 I know what they're doing there.
00:03:45.120 Yeah, exactly.
00:03:45.740 So he put a picture of the flag
00:03:49.100 and all he put underneath it was,
00:03:51.700 what do we think to that?
00:03:53.060 So it was prompting, it was prompting discussion.
00:03:56.960 That was all.
00:03:57.600 So one Sunday morning, about three weeks ago,
00:04:02.100 three police officers,
00:04:03.600 three police officers turned up at his house.
00:04:06.480 He immediately said,
00:04:08.080 is this a crime or is this a non-crime?
00:04:10.600 And they said, it's a crime.
00:04:13.000 So they're like, okie dokie.
00:04:14.240 And they said, what crime?
00:04:15.100 They said, section 127 Communications Act.
00:04:18.120 So sat them down.
00:04:20.040 And this section, for people who are not aware,
00:04:22.160 is about being grossly offensive.
00:04:23.740 Yeah, section 127 of the Communications Act
00:04:26.060 is when you send by electronic means
00:04:29.140 an image or message
00:04:31.920 which is grossly offensive, obscene,
00:04:35.540 or of a highly menacing nature.
00:04:37.220 So there is an objective standard attached to it.
00:04:41.220 It's not based on a subjective feeling.
00:04:44.600 It's what would the person on the Clapham omnibus
00:04:46.840 think about this?
00:04:48.620 Would they think that this is grossly offensive?
00:04:50.900 If the answer is yes,
00:04:52.020 then, you know, it meets the bar.
00:04:54.600 If the answer is, well, it's offensive,
00:04:56.500 but, you know, say what?
00:04:57.680 Then it doesn't meet the bar.
00:04:59.800 So they sat him down and they said,
00:05:03.420 right, okie, these are your options.
00:05:06.680 They pulled out a bit of paper
00:05:07.980 and they said,
00:05:09.220 you can either sign here,
00:05:10.320 this is our community resolution agreement,
00:05:14.860 sign between you and the victim.
00:05:17.020 And he said, well, who is the victim?
00:05:18.840 They said, we don't have to tell you that.
00:05:21.880 Ok.
00:05:22.840 They said it would be against our policy
00:05:24.220 to tell you who the victim is.
00:05:25.500 But nevertheless, you have to sign this.
00:05:27.740 And part of that is that you admit your guilt,
00:05:30.900 you are guilty of a breach of section 127.
00:05:34.600 We will hold it on your record
00:05:36.360 and then we will downgrade your crime to a non-crime.
00:05:39.960 So that's a good thing
00:05:41.180 because that means that, you know,
00:05:43.320 you're not a criminal,
00:05:43.980 but you will be able to release this information
00:05:47.440 about your hateful nature
00:05:49.320 to any potential employer
00:05:51.580 on an enhanced DBS check for the next six years.
00:05:54.880 But in order to help mitigate that,
00:05:56.820 one of the things that you will sign up to do
00:05:58.680 is to go on a course.
00:06:01.640 And he's, yeah, we heard this before.
00:06:05.120 And they said, he said-
00:06:08.180 What's the course called?
00:06:09.100 Well, he said to them,
00:06:10.740 is this a course to check my thinking?
00:06:12.400 Because he was obviously channeling
00:06:14.200 a little bit of me there.
00:06:15.800 And they said, oh no,
00:06:17.120 this is a re-education course
00:06:18.920 to teach you how not to get arrested in the future.
00:06:22.600 So we have a re-education course
00:06:25.640 for people who share memes on Facebook.
00:06:27.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:06:28.740 And one of the things that they told him
00:06:30.040 that he would learn,
00:06:30.640 one of the life skills
00:06:32.240 that these young officers
00:06:34.220 who had a combined age of about 25,
00:06:37.400 said to this sort of 56,
00:06:41.120 54-year-old army veteran,
00:06:42.880 they said, well, for instance,
00:06:44.340 in the future,
00:06:45.280 before you post on social media,
00:06:48.040 you will learn the skill
00:06:48.880 of going to your neighbour
00:06:49.800 and asking them for approval.
00:06:52.900 And if they say it's okay,
00:06:54.420 then the chances are it will be okay.
00:06:56.720 And he said,
00:06:58.060 I'm a 54-year-old man,
00:06:59.760 I'm not asking my neighbours
00:07:00.880 before I go on fucking Facebook.
00:07:03.080 And they said, well...
00:07:03.900 Fair point, well made.
00:07:05.080 They said, well, the alternative then
00:07:07.280 is that we will prosecute you.
00:07:10.260 And he said, well,
00:07:11.680 before we go on,
00:07:12.660 he said, one,
00:07:14.260 I didn't,
00:07:14.780 I'm not the originator of this meme.
00:07:16.920 It's a fella called Lawrence Fox.
00:07:18.780 And they said, that doesn't count.
00:07:20.480 You're the one who posted it
00:07:21.820 and somebody has been caused anxiety
00:07:24.520 based on your post.
00:07:27.420 They said, right, okay,
00:07:28.380 well, there's also this other bloke
00:07:29.800 called Harry Miller.
00:07:30.540 And the High Court
00:07:32.980 and the Court of Appeal
00:07:34.420 have recently said
00:07:35.200 that this sort of recording
00:07:37.180 of non-crime hate incidents
00:07:38.520 is illegal, it's unlawful.
00:07:40.740 And they said,
00:07:41.480 well, has the Court of Appeal
00:07:44.240 written to you?
00:07:45.420 He said, well, no, of course not.
00:07:46.520 He said, well, in that case,
00:07:47.120 it doesn't count.
00:07:48.940 He said, well, that's ridiculous.
00:07:50.760 The court doesn't need to write
00:07:52.160 to me personally
00:07:53.560 for the ruling to apply.
00:07:57.060 They said, no,
00:07:57.680 we're not talking about it.
00:07:58.920 You've got a decision to make.
00:08:00.200 Are you going to sign your guilt away
00:08:01.760 or are we going to prosecute?
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00:08:03.660 let me have a think about it.
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00:09:39.140 So we watched the video
00:09:40.420 and I was absolutely stunned.
00:09:42.720 We had to peel my barrister
00:09:44.040 off the floor
00:09:44.580 on several occasions
00:09:45.360 because she kept passing out
00:09:46.640 with the degree of awfulness
00:09:48.840 of this so-called police interview.
00:09:51.140 The first thing,
00:09:51.940 of course,
00:09:52.280 is this,
00:09:53.240 that when you've established
00:09:56.040 that somebody's committed a crime
00:09:57.120 or you suspect
00:09:57.640 somebody's committed a crime,
00:09:58.980 you have to caution them.
00:10:01.100 You have to.
00:10:01.860 It's not an option.
00:10:03.040 You have to do it.
00:10:04.780 They didn't do that at all.
00:10:07.700 This demanding money
00:10:09.580 with menaces,
00:10:10.460 this £60 shakedown,
00:10:12.640 because that's exactly
00:10:13.620 what it was.
00:10:14.260 It was the shakedown.
00:10:16.340 That was entirely wrong.
00:10:18.340 When they,
00:10:18.980 when he said,
00:10:19.480 well, what is Section 127?
00:10:21.000 They couldn't quote it.
00:10:22.660 They were like,
00:10:23.340 they were like toddlers
00:10:24.540 at a pick and mix bar,
00:10:26.540 just hungrily grabbing
00:10:27.980 whatever they could remember.
00:10:29.860 A little bit of Section 127,
00:10:32.240 a little bit of Public Order Act,
00:10:34.260 a little bit of absolute
00:10:35.800 made up nonsense.
00:10:37.140 They didn't know
00:10:38.060 what they were talking about.
00:10:39.320 So that's also
00:10:40.140 very, very worrying.
00:10:42.200 At one point,
00:10:42.920 Mr. Brady said,
00:10:44.600 well, you know,
00:10:45.740 I feel alarmed,
00:10:46.640 harassed and distressed
00:10:47.340 by you being here.
00:10:49.040 And they just ignored it.
00:10:50.260 They just absolutely,
00:10:51.380 just ignored that.
00:10:52.400 It's as though
00:10:52.860 that didn't happen.
00:10:54.900 So we said,
00:10:55.580 right, what should we do?
00:10:56.480 I said, right,
00:10:57.140 I know,
00:10:57.500 I want to give them
00:10:58.080 a little bit of their own medicine.
00:10:59.460 So we're going to turn up.
00:11:00.800 We'll have a bit of a plan,
00:11:01.860 but we'll turn up
00:11:02.500 and we're going to have
00:11:03.540 a bad law project,
00:11:05.100 fair cop,
00:11:06.060 community resolution order
00:11:07.240 that I'm going to ask
00:11:08.060 them to sign.
00:11:09.040 So at an appropriate point,
00:11:09.960 we will burst out
00:11:11.000 and we will say,
00:11:12.220 we accuse you
00:11:13.520 of a breach of pace.
00:11:15.680 We accuse you
00:11:17.020 of harassing this chap.
00:11:18.980 We accuse you
00:11:19.820 of not doing your job.
00:11:21.360 However,
00:11:21.820 he doesn't want to prosecute you
00:11:23.340 and providing you
00:11:24.200 hand over to us
00:11:25.280 a hundred quid
00:11:26.380 and sign away your guilt
00:11:27.840 on this dotted line
00:11:28.760 just here
00:11:29.180 and we'll send you
00:11:30.100 onto a re-education course
00:11:31.440 where we will teach you
00:11:32.800 about the intersectionality
00:11:33.960 between police powers
00:11:34.880 and the actual law
00:11:36.020 and for that hundred quid
00:11:37.060 we'll throw him
00:11:37.440 some sandwiches.
00:11:37.860 And they wouldn't sign it
00:11:39.440 for some unknown reason.
00:11:40.760 So I said,
00:11:41.000 well,
00:11:41.060 if you're not going to take
00:11:41.740 that option,
00:11:42.780 option number two
00:11:43.680 is this.
00:11:44.660 And we handed them over
00:11:45.700 a pre-action letter
00:11:47.300 written by our barrister
00:11:48.400 to hand to their chief constable
00:11:50.160 which listed
00:11:50.800 the entirety
00:11:52.380 of their failures
00:11:53.700 to date.
00:11:54.840 Their reaction was,
00:11:56.100 we're not postmen,
00:11:56.980 take it yourself.
00:11:58.620 And then they tried
00:11:59.600 to dismiss us.
00:12:01.400 I told them
00:12:02.600 about pace,
00:12:04.300 about interviews
00:12:04.800 under caution,
00:12:05.800 et cetera,
00:12:06.180 and they said
00:12:06.620 it didn't count
00:12:07.320 because this wasn't
00:12:08.140 an official interview.
00:12:09.480 And I said,
00:12:09.720 no,
00:12:09.880 of course it's not
00:12:10.320 an official interview.
00:12:11.200 What you're doing,
00:12:12.160 in effect,
00:12:12.960 you've got a workaround system
00:12:14.820 where you don't think
00:12:16.140 you need to caution anybody
00:12:17.340 because you don't expect
00:12:18.880 to make an arrest
00:12:19.760 and you don't expect
00:12:20.900 to have to justify
00:12:21.640 that arrest
00:12:22.200 to a custody sergeant
00:12:23.200 and you don't expect
00:12:24.260 to have to justify
00:12:25.240 the charge
00:12:27.480 to the Crown Prosecution Service
00:12:29.600 and there is no expectation
00:12:31.100 at all
00:12:31.540 of this ever
00:12:32.400 going in front of a judge.
00:12:33.980 So of course
00:12:34.540 you've dispensed
00:12:35.240 with the protocols
00:12:36.100 around investigation
00:12:37.560 because you are conducting
00:12:39.100 a shakedown.
00:12:40.680 You've invented
00:12:41.280 a quasi-system
00:12:43.000 of legal summary justice
00:12:44.800 and of course
00:12:45.920 you're nervous now
00:12:46.700 because we've just
00:12:47.640 burst out of the kitchen
00:12:48.420 with our cameras
00:12:49.000 and we've filmed it
00:12:49.780 all over Facebook
00:12:50.920 and you don't know
00:12:52.160 what to do.
00:12:53.100 So of course
00:12:53.620 that's what happened.
00:12:55.260 Harry,
00:12:55.520 just to put that
00:12:56.180 in simple language
00:12:57.040 for people who are listening
00:12:58.000 who may not be familiar
00:12:58.900 like we're not really,
00:13:00.220 what you're essentially saying
00:13:01.500 is instead of
00:13:02.800 following the procedures
00:13:04.260 that the police
00:13:05.300 are supposed to follow
00:13:06.340 when they're making an arrest
00:13:07.640 or when they're investigating somebody,
00:13:09.660 what they're doing instead
00:13:10.700 is they're using the fear
00:13:12.280 that people rightly have
00:13:14.060 of being arrested
00:13:14.880 by the police
00:13:15.540 for a crime
00:13:16.200 in order to get people
00:13:17.980 to pay a fine
00:13:18.900 and to sign up
00:13:19.680 to some ridiculous
00:13:20.800 re-education course
00:13:21.980 instead of going down
00:13:24.080 the legal route.
00:13:25.300 And they're using that fear
00:13:26.680 to coerce people
00:13:27.840 to take that option.
00:13:29.560 Yeah.
00:13:29.940 And they're relying
00:13:30.940 on the fact that
00:13:31.660 even though the police
00:13:32.960 are entirely ignorant
00:13:33.840 of the law,
00:13:35.760 they at least look like
00:13:37.700 they know what they're talking about.
00:13:38.520 Well, people are going to be
00:13:39.220 worried about the police.
00:13:40.240 Yeah.
00:13:40.540 And most people,
00:13:41.420 most people in this country
00:13:42.900 recognise that the police
00:13:44.320 are the public
00:13:44.780 and the public are the police
00:13:45.860 and that we police by consent.
00:13:48.200 And if a police officer
00:13:49.000 has said I've done something wrong,
00:13:51.080 then there's a fair chance
00:13:51.940 that either I've done something wrong
00:13:53.080 or I've been very close
00:13:54.080 to doing something wrong
00:13:54.780 and I better do as they say.
00:13:59.080 That's what they've been relying on.
00:14:01.060 Now, I don't know
00:14:01.780 whether you noticed
00:14:02.220 but a few weeks ago
00:14:03.020 it was reported in the press
00:14:04.620 that seven out of ten
00:14:05.780 police officers
00:14:06.400 in the Met
00:14:07.400 have not made an arrest this year.
00:14:09.480 Now, I don't know this
00:14:10.940 but I wonder
00:14:11.900 whether at least in part
00:14:13.680 that is because
00:14:14.500 they've been dealing justice
00:14:17.100 by this other means.
00:14:19.800 That they've been dealing justice
00:14:21.520 outside of the judicial
00:14:23.760 and criminal justice system.
00:14:26.500 Because, you know,
00:14:28.700 Hampshire police can say
00:14:30.020 that this was the first time
00:14:31.460 but it wasn't.
00:14:32.320 It's a little bit like
00:14:33.100 when your wife catches you
00:14:34.860 watching porn.
00:14:36.160 Never happened, mate.
00:14:36.980 Yeah, you can pretend
00:14:37.700 it's the first time
00:14:38.480 but everybody knows it wasn't.
00:14:40.420 And this is exactly...
00:14:41.340 I'm looking at you there.
00:14:43.060 This is exactly...
00:14:44.480 He's not even married, mate.
00:14:46.160 Watches too much porn.
00:14:47.280 Exactly.
00:14:48.440 So, I think this is the same thing.
00:14:50.440 I think this has been going on
00:14:51.820 and on and on and on and on.
00:14:53.540 We didn't get lucky
00:14:54.480 on the very first time
00:14:55.520 this had occurred.
00:14:56.640 These officers were fluent in this.
00:14:59.900 Absolutely fluent in this.
00:15:01.920 And that massively worries me.
00:15:04.000 Now, of course,
00:15:04.400 when we confronted them
00:15:05.440 they had no answers.
00:15:07.560 They didn't understand the law.
00:15:08.600 They didn't know
00:15:09.020 what they were doing.
00:15:10.160 And so they instantly started
00:15:11.920 mentioning words like arrest.
00:15:14.480 And it was at that point
00:15:15.520 that I got in the way.
00:15:17.980 I stood...
00:15:18.580 I put myself between
00:15:19.540 the army veteran
00:15:20.660 and the police
00:15:21.460 and said,
00:15:22.520 in order to arrest him
00:15:23.400 you're going to have
00:15:23.800 to come through me.
00:15:25.760 So, they called for backup.
00:15:28.880 Eventually there were
00:15:29.500 seven police officers there.
00:15:32.300 Three, I think,
00:15:33.300 at least three vehicles
00:15:34.420 including a police van.
00:15:37.600 I tried to reason with them.
00:15:39.760 I tried to tell them
00:15:40.380 all the things
00:15:41.000 that they'd done wrong.
00:15:41.780 I tried to tell them
00:15:42.860 about Pace
00:15:43.460 and about protocol
00:15:44.320 and how, after all,
00:15:45.400 this was simply a...
00:15:46.420 This was a meme
00:15:47.480 on Facebook.
00:15:49.440 And the person who'd...
00:15:50.480 The person who'd sort of...
00:15:52.100 Not invented it
00:15:52.980 but had promoted it originally.
00:15:54.420 He was stood right there.
00:15:55.460 Lawrence Fox was stood right there.
00:15:57.740 But they said,
00:15:58.580 we're not interested in him
00:15:59.560 because we're arresting you,
00:16:01.140 Mr Brady,
00:16:01.980 because it's a result
00:16:03.240 of your post
00:16:04.100 that somebody
00:16:04.940 was caused anxiety.
00:16:06.500 And that's why
00:16:07.300 we're arresting.
00:16:08.020 So we're like,
00:16:08.920 anxiety?
00:16:10.460 Since when was
00:16:11.440 Section 127
00:16:12.320 of the Communications Act
00:16:14.220 or, in fact,
00:16:15.280 any act you can think of
00:16:16.860 triggered by
00:16:18.060 somebody feeling anxiety?
00:16:20.000 This is absolute
00:16:21.360 palpable nonsense.
00:16:23.280 So I just stood there
00:16:23.940 and said,
00:16:24.780 you're going to have to...
00:16:25.320 To get to him,
00:16:25.780 you're going to have
00:16:26.180 to go through me.
00:16:28.480 I did advise Mr Brady
00:16:30.240 to get back
00:16:31.320 into his garden
00:16:32.580 and shut the gate.
00:16:35.940 They advised me
00:16:37.220 that I was obstructing
00:16:38.680 an arrest.
00:16:40.020 I told them
00:16:40.700 where to stick it
00:16:41.480 in no uncertain terms.
00:16:43.840 And eventually,
00:16:44.400 there was a big enough
00:16:45.020 guy turned up
00:16:45.900 who said,
00:16:48.180 right, okay,
00:16:48.580 you're going to make
00:16:49.000 an arrest now.
00:16:49.560 And they did.
00:16:50.360 So I got put in handcuffs.
00:16:54.240 Funnily enough,
00:16:54.640 I had to remind them
00:16:55.700 to give me a caution.
00:16:57.520 I said,
00:16:57.780 so am I under arrest then?
00:16:58.460 He said, yeah, yeah.
00:16:58.940 So are you going to
00:16:59.900 give me a caution then?
00:17:01.020 Is anybody going to
00:17:01.880 caution me?
00:17:02.720 And then eventually,
00:17:03.600 somebody remembered
00:17:04.320 what the words
00:17:04.800 of the caution were
00:17:05.500 and actually issued it.
00:17:07.220 And I was taken off.
00:17:08.900 And then with me
00:17:09.720 out of the way,
00:17:10.360 they then arrested
00:17:11.560 Mr Brady.
00:17:12.740 But it was quite sad
00:17:15.160 because there was
00:17:16.320 another guy there,
00:17:17.880 one of Mr Brady's
00:17:20.820 army colleagues,
00:17:22.460 former army colleagues.
00:17:23.500 They've served together,
00:17:24.780 I think,
00:17:25.280 across all three
00:17:26.240 theatres of war
00:17:27.820 that they've been in.
00:17:29.580 And he was just saying,
00:17:30.120 can you not see
00:17:30.560 how wrong this is?
00:17:31.360 Can you not see
00:17:31.820 how wrong this is?
00:17:32.440 We were in Ireland
00:17:34.840 defending the police.
00:17:36.800 We put ourselves
00:17:37.860 as bodyguards
00:17:38.700 between the police
00:17:39.980 and the IRA.
00:17:41.280 And now you're here
00:17:42.540 arresting this veteran,
00:17:45.040 my friend,
00:17:46.420 over a meme.
00:17:49.000 Rick,
00:17:49.220 can you not see
00:17:50.280 how wrong you are?
00:17:51.740 Is there nothing in you
00:17:53.020 that tells you
00:17:53.660 how wrong this is?
00:17:55.360 And they were like
00:17:56.280 dead-eyed sharks.
00:17:57.580 For the first time
00:17:59.160 in my life,
00:18:00.640 I realised,
00:18:01.860 I think,
00:18:02.440 how
00:18:02.820 soldiers,
00:18:07.460 German soldiers
00:18:08.180 in the Second World War
00:18:10.040 were able to march
00:18:12.240 peasants,
00:18:13.900 Jews,
00:18:15.100 dissidents,
00:18:16.600 wrongans,
00:18:17.080 as far as they were concerned,
00:18:18.460 into the woods
00:18:19.200 and shoot them.
00:18:20.780 And simply close their eyes
00:18:22.360 and their minds
00:18:23.320 to the reason,
00:18:25.720 you know,
00:18:26.000 the cause of reason
00:18:27.040 and, you know,
00:18:28.040 is this why you joined
00:18:28.900 the army?
00:18:29.440 Is this what would
00:18:30.240 your mother think?
00:18:31.000 Is this really
00:18:31.640 what you want to do?
00:18:32.540 Because we made
00:18:33.200 all those arguments
00:18:34.140 to the police
00:18:34.980 and they were,
00:18:36.040 it was like looking
00:18:36.760 at dead people.
00:18:38.560 It was like looking
00:18:39.320 at people who were
00:18:39.980 made of flesh and bone
00:18:41.560 but were operating
00:18:42.700 on some kind
00:18:43.420 of automaton chip
00:18:44.980 where the algorithm
00:18:46.400 had been clicked
00:18:47.660 and that was it.
00:18:50.200 There was no rationale,
00:18:52.280 no reason,
00:18:53.180 no argument,
00:18:54.220 no appeal
00:18:54.960 to basic humanity,
00:18:56.060 no appeal
00:18:56.920 to history,
00:18:57.820 no appeal
00:18:58.200 to context,
00:18:59.200 no appeal
00:18:59.560 to anything
00:19:00.300 that was going
00:19:00.960 to stop them
00:19:01.680 on their mission
00:19:02.340 to make an arrest
00:19:03.800 over a meme.
00:19:05.260 It's a new form,
00:19:07.560 it's a new form
00:19:08.780 of tragic.
00:19:09.860 Now I remember
00:19:10.160 when I was last
00:19:10.700 on your show,
00:19:11.560 you closed the show
00:19:13.060 and asked,
00:19:14.060 what's the question
00:19:14.580 that you ask?
00:19:15.060 Is there anything
00:19:15.600 that's...
00:19:16.300 What's the one thing
00:19:17.080 we're not talking about
00:19:18.260 that we really should be?
00:19:19.340 Yeah,
00:19:19.660 and I said
00:19:20.600 how absolutely shit
00:19:21.940 the rainbow is.
00:19:22.960 The rainbow,
00:19:23.620 that rainbow symbol
00:19:24.660 which used to be
00:19:27.100 a great symbol
00:19:28.100 of hope
00:19:28.520 for lesbians,
00:19:30.020 gays and bi people,
00:19:31.940 I now equate it
00:19:33.680 to...
00:19:34.800 I think it's so corrupted
00:19:37.020 that I now equate it
00:19:39.180 to a swastika.
00:19:41.020 Well that shouldn't
00:19:43.320 upset anyone.
00:19:45.160 That's not going
00:19:46.160 to trigger people!
00:19:47.640 To me,
00:19:48.220 it has the same
00:19:49.560 visceral,
00:19:50.380 the same visceral reaction
00:19:52.220 because it speaks
00:19:53.800 of an ideology
00:19:54.760 which I think
00:19:56.080 is insidious,
00:19:58.380 dangerous
00:19:58.920 and which is
00:20:00.600 just sweeping
00:20:01.980 through organisations
00:20:03.820 like a censor.
00:20:04.540 Breathe,
00:20:04.720 breathe, Francis,
00:20:05.340 breathe.
00:20:05.460 If that sound
00:20:06.060 you can hear,
00:20:06.660 is the internet
00:20:07.200 going into fucking
00:20:08.400 meltdown?
00:20:09.220 And I remember
00:20:11.600 you saying
00:20:11.920 oh my goodness
00:20:12.460 you'll crash
00:20:12.840 the internet
00:20:13.220 saying that
00:20:13.700 but I think
00:20:14.220 I think I've been
00:20:16.220 proven right
00:20:16.840 except I don't think
00:20:17.560 it's the rainbow flag.
00:20:18.340 I think I was wrong
00:20:18.840 about that.
00:20:19.660 I think the actual
00:20:20.340 rainbow flag
00:20:21.240 is quite benign
00:20:23.180 actually.
00:20:24.360 I don't really
00:20:24.860 have a massive
00:20:25.360 problem with
00:20:26.560 the rainbow flag.
00:20:27.700 What I have
00:20:28.000 a huge problem
00:20:28.720 with is
00:20:29.580 the intersectional
00:20:31.160 flag
00:20:31.780 which is
00:20:33.100 during Pride Month
00:20:35.180 in London
00:20:35.740 it was like
00:20:37.080 they were preparing
00:20:37.560 for a Nuremberg rally.
00:20:38.520 it was everywhere.
00:20:39.760 I was staying
00:20:40.220 in Wembley Park
00:20:42.100 this week
00:20:43.800 and every doorway
00:20:45.100 has got the
00:20:45.820 intersectional flag
00:20:46.560 on it.
00:20:47.320 Up and down the street
00:20:48.000 there's the flags
00:20:48.520 everywhere.
00:20:49.840 And I think
00:20:50.800 they do it
00:20:51.540 in order to make
00:20:52.340 you believe
00:20:52.840 that resistance
00:20:53.380 is futile.
00:20:54.780 That this is so
00:20:55.540 established and
00:20:56.400 embedded within
00:20:57.060 our culture now.
00:20:57.660 It's so accepted
00:20:58.440 within our culture
00:20:59.700 that any form
00:21:00.740 of resistance
00:21:01.280 is futile
00:21:02.920 and it's wrong
00:21:03.980 and it puts you
00:21:04.520 on the wrong
00:21:04.980 side of history.
00:21:07.500 That's the problem.
00:21:09.420 And so
00:21:09.680 I think I was
00:21:11.200 absolutely right.
00:21:12.500 I got the flag wrong
00:21:13.260 but I think
00:21:14.460 the intersectional flag
00:21:15.380 is as close
00:21:16.120 to the swastika
00:21:17.920 as I can think.
00:21:20.580 Now
00:21:20.680 the problem is
00:21:21.900 people always
00:21:22.700 invoke
00:21:23.420 is it Godwin's law
00:21:24.340 and say
00:21:24.720 the second that you
00:21:25.480 mention Hitler
00:21:26.500 you've lost the argument.
00:21:27.900 Well I think
00:21:28.220 that's a cheap
00:21:28.720 and very lazy
00:21:29.420 argument in actual fact
00:21:30.620 because the problem
00:21:31.740 is most people
00:21:32.540 when they think
00:21:33.180 of Nazism
00:21:34.660 they think
00:21:35.540 of that period
00:21:36.120 1943 to 1945
00:21:37.560 which was
00:21:39.060 the height
00:21:39.720 of the death camps
00:21:40.960 and the extermination
00:21:42.620 of the Jews.
00:21:43.560 When I talk
00:21:44.160 about Nazism
00:21:44.860 what I'm talking
00:21:45.540 about is
00:21:46.420 the 1920s
00:21:47.600 and the early
00:21:48.380 1930s
00:21:49.180 because that's
00:21:50.140 where the rot
00:21:50.940 starts.
00:21:52.240 That's where
00:21:52.640 the rot starts.
00:21:53.960 By the time
00:21:54.700 you get to
00:21:55.260 Auschwitz
00:21:56.120 and invading
00:21:56.820 Poland
00:21:57.220 and all that
00:21:58.160 kind of stuff
00:21:58.780 it's over.
00:22:00.280 It's game over.
00:22:01.880 So what you need
00:22:02.540 to do
00:22:02.840 those of us
00:22:03.900 who are wise
00:22:04.500 need to look
00:22:05.800 at the warning signs
00:22:06.840 early on
00:22:07.600 and cry out
00:22:08.940 early on
00:22:09.880 and saying
00:22:10.640 this is simply wrong.
00:22:12.780 This is fascism
00:22:14.260 wrapped up
00:22:15.100 in a rainbow.
00:22:16.420 This is a form
00:22:17.800 of social architecture
00:22:19.480 which will stand
00:22:20.840 no criticism
00:22:22.080 no mockery
00:22:23.320 whatsoever
00:22:24.020 and if you do so
00:22:25.320 you do it
00:22:26.100 at your peril
00:22:26.620 you will end up
00:22:27.660 on a list
00:22:28.640 of hate
00:22:29.320 you run
00:22:31.040 the risk
00:22:31.380 of being
00:22:31.820 arrested
00:22:32.380 you run
00:22:33.200 the risk
00:22:33.560 of being
00:22:33.840 thrown in
00:22:34.320 jail
00:22:34.620 you run
00:22:35.360 the risk
00:22:35.720 of all
00:22:36.200 sort
00:22:36.640 of state
00:22:37.460 intervention.
00:22:38.580 Now
00:22:38.720 that as far
00:22:39.600 as I'm
00:22:39.940 concerned
00:22:40.380 is far
00:22:41.880 too close
00:22:42.620 to fascism
00:22:43.880 it's far
00:22:44.660 too close
00:22:45.280 to Stalinism
00:22:46.220 and Maoism
00:22:47.180 than I want
00:22:48.020 to be
00:22:48.280 and I think
00:22:49.100 it was after
00:22:51.080 I'd been on
00:22:51.580 your show
00:22:51.900 last time
00:22:52.420 the High
00:22:54.000 Court
00:22:54.200 hadn't given
00:22:54.800 their ruling
00:22:55.400 when I was
00:22:55.800 on your show
00:22:56.340 but if you
00:22:57.300 remember
00:22:57.580 when they did
00:22:58.500 eventually
00:22:58.840 give their
00:22:59.260 ruling
00:22:59.520 in the case
00:22:59.960 of Humberside
00:23:00.540 police's
00:23:01.220 action
00:23:01.720 toward me
00:23:02.300 in a very
00:23:03.260 very long
00:23:03.860 and significant
00:23:04.760 judgment
00:23:05.240 the High Court
00:23:06.880 Judge
00:23:07.700 Mr Justice
00:23:08.360 Knowles
00:23:08.940 rounded off
00:23:10.380 by saying
00:23:11.240 we have never
00:23:11.980 had a Stasi
00:23:12.700 a Cheka
00:23:13.520 or a Gestapo
00:23:14.520 we do not
00:23:15.620 live in an
00:23:16.360 Orwellian
00:23:16.800 society
00:23:17.400 now at the
00:23:18.420 time
00:23:18.720 people said
00:23:19.560 that he
00:23:19.860 was using
00:23:21.160 hyperbole
00:23:21.860 I don't
00:23:22.740 think he
00:23:22.960 was
00:23:23.220 I think
00:23:24.140 he saw
00:23:24.760 very clearly
00:23:25.680 the direction
00:23:26.800 of travel
00:23:27.480 and there is
00:23:28.360 nothing that has
00:23:29.060 happened since
00:23:29.860 that has
00:23:30.980 even begun
00:23:31.920 to dissuade
00:23:33.080 me
00:23:33.340 that that
00:23:34.260 opinion
00:23:34.620 was absolutely
00:23:35.460 correct
00:23:35.860 I think
00:23:36.280 it's
00:23:36.600 terrifying
00:23:37.940 Harry
00:23:39.300 how have we
00:23:39.800 come to this
00:23:40.360 point
00:23:40.620 how have we
00:23:41.320 come to this
00:23:41.900 point where
00:23:42.280 people are
00:23:42.880 literally being
00:23:43.560 arrested for
00:23:44.320 memes
00:23:44.580 how have we
00:23:45.120 descended to
00:23:46.080 this
00:23:46.400 I don't know
00:23:49.980 I think
00:23:50.680 part of it
00:23:51.780 stems from
00:23:53.600 I think it was
00:23:54.520 the 2002
00:23:55.320 Police Act
00:23:56.740 changed the
00:23:58.100 oath of attestation
00:23:59.140 that every police
00:24:00.460 every Bobby
00:24:01.540 swears
00:24:02.540 to the Queen
00:24:03.540 okay
00:24:04.460 now prior to
00:24:05.760 2002
00:24:06.260 you'd swear to
00:24:07.100 the Queen
00:24:07.420 to keep her
00:24:08.060 peace
00:24:08.340 keep the Queen's
00:24:08.940 peace
00:24:09.200 and to
00:24:09.960 uphold the
00:24:10.500 law
00:24:10.720 without fear
00:24:11.400 or favour
00:24:11.800 in 2002
00:24:13.440 there was a
00:24:14.440 subtle change
00:24:15.100 so it's
00:24:16.060 upholding the
00:24:16.560 Queen's peace
00:24:17.180 upholding the
00:24:17.920 law
00:24:18.160 and human
00:24:19.220 rights
00:24:19.620 it's like
00:24:21.140 hold on a
00:24:21.820 minute
00:24:21.980 that sounds
00:24:23.100 good
00:24:23.440 but why do
00:24:24.280 we need to
00:24:24.660 have this
00:24:25.160 addition of
00:24:26.320 and human
00:24:27.720 rights
00:24:28.340 in the oath
00:24:29.160 what's wrong
00:24:30.140 with simply
00:24:30.780 the law
00:24:31.620 because if
00:24:32.500 there's a
00:24:32.840 human right
00:24:33.660 that if the
00:24:34.760 human right
00:24:35.160 is within
00:24:35.820 the law
00:24:36.380 then we
00:24:37.160 don't need
00:24:37.500 to say
00:24:37.780 and human
00:24:38.280 rights
00:24:38.740 and if
00:24:39.560 the human
00:24:39.920 rights are
00:24:40.540 outside of
00:24:41.480 the law
00:24:41.840 then by
00:24:42.780 definition
00:24:43.280 it's contested
00:24:44.720 and it's
00:24:45.260 therefore
00:24:45.660 political
00:24:46.360 so we've
00:24:47.660 given the
00:24:48.220 police
00:24:48.760 a virtual
00:24:51.080 obligation
00:24:51.800 to listen
00:24:53.280 to those
00:24:54.080 human rights
00:24:55.100 organisations
00:24:55.760 who have
00:24:56.760 the most
00:24:57.160 influence
00:24:57.580 who are
00:24:57.900 shouting
00:24:58.200 the loudest
00:24:59.060 and for
00:24:59.780 them then
00:25:00.160 to adopt
00:25:00.860 the policy
00:25:01.980 as though it
00:25:02.940 were law
00:25:03.540 and uphold
00:25:04.360 it as though
00:25:05.040 it were law
00:25:05.760 of those
00:25:06.500 human rights
00:25:07.060 organisations
00:25:07.680 one of those
00:25:08.600 organisations
00:25:09.140 is of course
00:25:10.140 Stonewall
00:25:11.120 and Stonewall
00:25:12.140 have been saying
00:25:12.700 for a long
00:25:13.120 time that
00:25:14.340 trans rights
00:25:16.220 are human
00:25:16.640 rights
00:25:16.980 that trans
00:25:17.640 women are
00:25:19.560 women
00:25:19.960 that gender
00:25:20.840 identity
00:25:21.480 trumps
00:25:22.340 sex
00:25:23.140 but worse
00:25:24.020 than that
00:25:24.480 that anybody
00:25:25.700 that disagrees
00:25:27.780 that anybody
00:25:28.580 that doesn't
00:25:29.080 accept
00:25:29.640 these statements
00:25:30.640 of fact
00:25:31.280 are de facto
00:25:32.500 haters
00:25:32.980 and not only
00:25:34.520 that
00:25:34.800 saying it
00:25:35.940 is they
00:25:37.160 call it
00:25:37.540 antilocution
00:25:38.360 and to express
00:25:39.960 to express
00:25:41.480 dissent
00:25:42.160 or disagreement
00:25:43.180 disapproval
00:25:44.260 or disbelief
00:25:45.320 to these
00:25:46.260 managers
00:25:46.620 is to be
00:25:48.300 on step
00:25:48.840 one
00:25:49.360 on a
00:25:50.100 five-step
00:25:51.040 journey
00:25:51.780 to genocide
00:25:53.540 that's what
00:25:55.040 it says
00:25:55.260 it's called
00:25:55.620 it's called
00:25:56.360 the Olport
00:25:57.040 scale
00:25:57.720 where
00:25:58.600 hurty words
00:25:59.740 lead to
00:26:00.940 hurty violence
00:26:02.080 which leads
00:26:03.040 to murder
00:26:04.000 which leads
00:26:05.300 to genocide
00:26:06.400 and they are
00:26:07.720 100%
00:26:09.260 committed
00:26:10.040 to this
00:26:11.020 to this
00:26:11.720 trajectory
00:26:12.620 do you think
00:26:14.000 part of the
00:26:14.500 problem was
00:26:15.100 obviously the
00:26:15.900 Met made
00:26:16.460 such a horrendous
00:26:17.680 mess of the
00:26:18.400 Stephen Lawrence
00:26:19.000 murder
00:26:19.380 and then it was
00:26:20.340 then found to be
00:26:21.080 institutionally racist
00:26:22.280 by I think it was
00:26:23.040 a McPherson report
00:26:24.040 yeah
00:26:24.240 do you think
00:26:25.380 this is
00:26:25.780 and what
00:26:26.880 they've done
00:26:27.380 is they're
00:26:27.960 trying to
00:26:28.500 overcorrect
00:26:29.540 yes
00:26:30.160 that's that's
00:26:31.200 exactly it
00:26:31.800 so what we
00:26:32.320 have we have
00:26:32.900 a problem
00:26:33.340 of we have
00:26:35.400 a problem
00:26:35.680 of this
00:26:36.080 this human
00:26:36.900 rights element
00:26:37.700 where they're
00:26:38.500 committed to
00:26:39.080 that and
00:26:39.920 then we have
00:26:40.320 a problem
00:26:40.940 of institutional
00:26:41.980 guilt
00:26:43.100 where you
00:26:44.520 know they
00:26:44.800 were they
00:26:45.360 were perhaps
00:26:45.840 behind the
00:26:46.720 curve in
00:26:47.900 the past
00:26:48.420 and now
00:26:49.360 rather than
00:26:49.740 being on
00:26:50.180 point they're
00:26:51.320 trying all
00:26:51.980 the time to
00:26:52.760 get ahead
00:26:53.500 of the curve
00:26:54.360 so as far
00:26:56.260 as they're
00:26:56.580 concerned
00:26:57.020 it doesn't
00:26:57.940 matter if
00:26:58.620 they're on
00:26:58.980 the wrong
00:26:59.220 side of
00:26:59.540 the law
00:26:59.900 providing in
00:27:00.840 their minds
00:27:01.300 they're on
00:27:01.520 the right
00:27:01.780 side of
00:27:02.120 history
00:27:02.440 that's the
00:27:03.360 problem
00:27:03.680 that we
00:27:04.260 have
00:27:04.500 that eventually
00:27:05.500 the law
00:27:06.080 will catch
00:27:06.680 up with
00:27:07.040 them
00:27:07.160 that is
00:27:09.300 the problem
00:27:10.400 they police
00:27:11.880 according to
00:27:13.040 a law
00:27:13.540 that they
00:27:14.080 hope to be
00:27:14.900 rather than
00:27:15.880 policing
00:27:16.280 according to
00:27:17.160 the law
00:27:17.480 as it is
00:27:18.380 that is very
00:27:19.340 very worrying
00:27:19.780 Harry
00:27:20.100 but you're
00:27:20.960 I mean
00:27:21.520 that's a
00:27:21.860 fascinating
00:27:22.300 insight
00:27:22.700 actually
00:27:23.120 I hadn't
00:27:23.820 thought about
00:27:24.200 it like
00:27:24.440 that
00:27:24.700 but you're
00:27:25.480 a former
00:27:25.860 police
00:27:26.240 officer
00:27:26.580 right
00:27:26.820 how is it
00:27:30.160 that the
00:27:30.760 people who
00:27:31.180 are doing
00:27:31.600 this and
00:27:32.160 the police
00:27:32.760 chief
00:27:33.300 constables
00:27:33.860 and the
00:27:34.240 people who
00:27:34.560 are in
00:27:34.820 charge
00:27:35.240 how is it
00:27:36.720 that they're
00:27:37.320 not seeing
00:27:37.860 what they're
00:27:38.340 doing
00:27:38.600 how do
00:27:39.540 they not
00:27:40.420 see that
00:27:41.060 arresting
00:27:41.740 people for
00:27:42.280 sharing
00:27:42.640 memes
00:27:43.120 may be
00:27:44.200 crossing
00:27:44.660 a line
00:27:45.700 because in
00:27:47.200 their minds
00:27:47.780 they're preventing
00:27:48.320 genocide
00:27:48.820 that's it
00:27:49.840 when we
00:27:50.300 asked
00:27:50.940 why have
00:27:52.040 you intervened
00:27:52.840 in Harry
00:27:53.520 Miller
00:27:53.820 posting a
00:27:54.760 limerick
00:27:55.180 they said
00:27:56.280 because of
00:27:57.160 Stephen Lawrence
00:27:57.700 that was their
00:27:59.040 one and only
00:28:00.420 answer
00:28:01.080 and I said
00:28:02.760 well
00:28:03.060 Stephen Lawrence
00:28:03.940 wasn't murdered
00:28:04.460 because of
00:28:04.780 memes
00:28:05.080 no he wasn't
00:28:06.460 but in
00:28:06.860 according to
00:28:08.180 the Alport
00:28:08.660 scale
00:28:09.160 the scale
00:28:09.960 of escalating
00:28:10.740 violence
00:28:11.440 you can
00:28:12.840 trace
00:28:13.420 you can trace
00:28:14.880 violence
00:28:15.860 murder
00:28:16.360 and genocide
00:28:17.260 to
00:28:18.340 controversial
00:28:19.640 speech
00:28:20.080 and this
00:28:20.640 is how
00:28:20.900 you get
00:28:21.300 to
00:28:21.700 you know
00:28:22.220 if someone
00:28:22.500 says the
00:28:22.860 wrong thing
00:28:23.260 they should
00:28:23.600 be prosecuted
00:28:24.860 because you're
00:28:25.680 stopping a
00:28:26.160 genocide
00:28:26.460 yeah
00:28:26.860 so you have
00:28:27.920 you have
00:28:28.280 pre-crime
00:28:28.920 which is what
00:28:30.460 I committed
00:28:31.060 otherwise known
00:28:32.000 as non-crime
00:28:32.860 a non-crime
00:28:33.880 hate incident
00:28:34.460 based on the
00:28:35.360 perception of
00:28:36.020 somebody else
00:28:36.840 or a police
00:28:37.860 officer
00:28:38.220 that's handy
00:28:39.180 isn't it
00:28:39.560 and without
00:28:42.240 intervention
00:28:42.900 this will
00:28:44.160 escalate
00:28:44.980 to
00:28:45.420 the death
00:28:46.720 of Stephen
00:28:47.100 Lawrence
00:28:47.380 as I
00:28:48.180 pointed out
00:28:48.660 to the
00:28:48.960 police
00:28:49.280 I think
00:28:49.840 you're a
00:28:50.020 little bit
00:28:50.280 late
00:28:50.580 Stephen
00:28:51.140 Lawrence
00:28:51.380 is already
00:28:51.800 dead
00:28:52.100 but never
00:28:53.220 never mind
00:28:53.740 they've
00:28:54.100 taken
00:28:54.480 this notion
00:28:55.600 of
00:28:56.160 escalation
00:28:57.040 and they
00:28:58.160 do not
00:28:58.580 apply
00:28:58.840 common sense
00:28:59.180 now
00:28:59.380 why don't
00:28:59.920 you
00:29:00.040 you mentioned
00:29:00.600 common sense
00:29:01.400 following the
00:29:03.840 the high court
00:29:04.680 victory against
00:29:05.420 homicide police
00:29:06.340 I had
00:29:06.840 I had coffee
00:29:07.880 with the chief
00:29:08.420 constable
00:29:08.940 of
00:29:09.660 Humberside
00:29:10.540 and you
00:29:11.840 know
00:29:11.960 he was
00:29:12.340 he was
00:29:12.740 very
00:29:13.000 apologetic
00:29:13.760 in a
00:29:14.040 fairly
00:29:14.220 dead-eyed
00:29:14.720 way
00:29:15.580 he didn't
00:29:16.920 behave like
00:29:17.540 a man
00:29:18.020 who'd
00:29:19.180 understood
00:29:19.480 the full
00:29:19.940 import
00:29:20.520 of being
00:29:21.060 compared to
00:29:21.780 the stars
00:29:22.600 of the
00:29:22.820 checker
00:29:23.100 and the
00:29:23.520 Gestapo
00:29:23.980 I mean
00:29:24.720 one of
00:29:25.020 them
00:29:25.160 fair enough
00:29:25.600 but all
00:29:25.920 three
00:29:26.220 that's
00:29:26.740 terrible
00:29:27.080 it's
00:29:27.500 a little
00:29:27.700 bit like
00:29:28.160 a health
00:29:28.760 service
00:29:29.080 being
00:29:29.360 compared
00:29:29.680 to
00:29:30.280 Beverly
00:29:30.720 Allett
00:29:31.060 Joseph
00:29:31.600 Mengele
00:29:32.080 and
00:29:32.840 Harold
00:29:33.200 Shipman
00:29:33.620 isn't
00:29:34.040 it
00:29:34.260 it
00:29:35.440 didn't
00:29:35.880 seem
00:29:36.200 to
00:29:36.500 have
00:29:36.880 any
00:29:37.060 emotional
00:29:37.700 impact
00:29:38.540 on
00:29:38.760 him
00:29:38.940 whatsoever
00:29:39.880 and
00:29:41.160 I said
00:29:41.780 to him
00:29:42.000 I said
00:29:42.200 look Lee
00:29:42.860 I kind
00:29:43.440 of get
00:29:43.860 why a
00:29:44.420 young
00:29:44.780 officer
00:29:45.360 who's
00:29:46.260 just been
00:29:46.540 on a
00:29:46.760 course
00:29:47.240 overreacts
00:29:48.520 to something
00:29:49.340 but when
00:29:49.960 the world's
00:29:50.460 press
00:29:50.920 turned
00:29:52.040 on Humberside
00:29:52.920 why did
00:29:53.600 somebody
00:29:54.040 up the
00:29:54.440 chain of
00:29:54.780 command
00:29:55.100 not apply
00:29:56.080 some
00:29:56.300 common
00:29:56.560 sense
00:29:57.000 he looked
00:29:58.320 me
00:29:58.580 straight in
00:29:59.260 the eye
00:29:59.560 and said
00:29:59.900 Harry
00:30:00.200 you should
00:30:00.960 understand
00:30:01.420 that common
00:30:02.120 sense
00:30:02.520 is not
00:30:03.380 an appropriate
00:30:03.960 tool
00:30:04.400 for a
00:30:04.920 police
00:30:05.120 officer
00:30:05.520 because
00:30:06.840 it leads
00:30:07.440 to
00:30:07.620 unpredictable
00:30:08.240 outcomes
00:30:08.760 what we
00:30:09.720 need
00:30:10.100 is more
00:30:10.760 guidance
00:30:11.260 that for
00:30:12.560 me
00:30:12.840 is as
00:30:13.520 terrifying
00:30:13.940 a statement
00:30:14.520 as I've
00:30:15.340 ever heard
00:30:15.900 of course
00:30:17.600 we want
00:30:18.240 police officers
00:30:19.120 to have
00:30:19.920 common sense
00:30:20.960 but even
00:30:22.440 worse
00:30:23.000 our entire
00:30:24.000 relationship
00:30:25.820 with the
00:30:26.660 police
00:30:27.020 and with
00:30:27.320 the law
00:30:27.680 is based
00:30:28.540 on common
00:30:29.000 sense
00:30:29.420 we operate
00:30:30.820 as free
00:30:31.840 people
00:30:32.280 who are
00:30:32.680 free
00:30:33.100 to think
00:30:34.240 to speak
00:30:35.240 to speak
00:30:35.260 and to
00:30:35.980 do
00:30:36.260 right up
00:30:37.140 until
00:30:37.360 a specific
00:30:38.420 point
00:30:38.960 clearly
00:30:39.740 defined
00:30:40.120 at law
00:30:40.460 where the
00:30:40.780 law says
00:30:41.200 this far
00:30:42.020 and no
00:30:42.960 further
00:30:43.380 now that
00:30:44.560 is based
00:30:45.440 on a
00:30:46.420 benign
00:30:46.980 common
00:30:47.480 sense
00:30:47.960 there's an
00:30:48.800 assumption
00:30:49.200 that I'm
00:30:49.920 not just
00:30:50.260 going to
00:30:50.620 come up
00:30:51.280 and gratuitously
00:30:52.300 punch you
00:30:52.920 in the face
00:30:53.560 okay
00:30:54.420 it assumes
00:30:55.520 that we
00:30:56.360 are by
00:30:56.740 nature
00:30:57.300 good people
00:30:58.580 that we
00:30:59.020 are by
00:30:59.360 nature
00:30:59.720 sociable
00:31:00.640 people
00:31:01.060 that we
00:31:02.020 have by
00:31:02.540 nature
00:31:03.060 a
00:31:03.520 utilitarian
00:31:04.280 understanding
00:31:05.600 of life
00:31:07.020 in Europe
00:31:09.220 of course
00:31:09.600 they operate
00:31:10.160 on a
00:31:10.400 different
00:31:10.580 system
00:31:10.880 they operate
00:31:11.300 on a
00:31:11.520 system
00:31:11.740 of
00:31:11.900 permissions
00:31:12.300 where the
00:31:13.040 state
00:31:13.260 allows you
00:31:14.120 to think
00:31:14.780 to speak
00:31:15.500 and to
00:31:16.100 do
00:31:16.340 so I
00:31:17.900 think
00:31:18.040 one of
00:31:18.360 the things
00:31:18.500 that we've
00:31:18.840 done
00:31:19.160 we've
00:31:19.960 imported
00:31:20.960 a European
00:31:22.520 mentality
00:31:23.560 when it
00:31:23.980 comes to
00:31:24.760 policing
00:31:25.320 and that's
00:31:26.360 why
00:31:26.580 common
00:31:26.920 sense
00:31:27.400 is nothing
00:31:28.140 and guidance
00:31:29.120 is everything
00:31:30.500 that I
00:31:32.640 think
00:31:32.920 is the
00:31:34.360 nub of
00:31:35.600 the problem
00:31:36.020 and Harry
00:31:36.780 there's also
00:31:37.220 the flip
00:31:37.700 side to
00:31:38.140 this
00:31:38.320 which is
00:31:38.680 the police
00:31:39.440 are failing
00:31:40.040 in their
00:31:40.440 basic duties
00:31:41.540 to investigate
00:31:43.180 prosecute
00:31:44.780 and imprison
00:31:45.400 criminals
00:31:45.900 they're just
00:31:46.400 not doing
00:31:47.000 it
00:31:47.380 I'll give
00:31:48.140 you an
00:31:48.320 example
00:31:48.680 so my
00:31:49.280 parents
00:31:49.620 house
00:31:49.920 got
00:31:50.120 burgled
00:31:50.440 my
00:31:50.620 parents
00:31:50.900 are very
00:31:51.240 elderly
00:31:51.560 my
00:31:51.780 mum's
00:31:52.040 disabled
00:31:52.460 they're
00:31:53.060 both
00:31:53.280 in their
00:31:53.540 late
00:31:53.720 70s
00:31:54.180 my
00:31:54.320 father's
00:31:54.720 a
00:31:54.820 full-time
00:31:55.180 carer
00:31:55.480 for
00:31:55.600 my
00:31:55.740 mother
00:31:55.980 they
00:31:56.780 were
00:31:56.940 out
00:31:57.220 doing
00:31:58.660 a bit
00:31:58.900 of
00:31:59.000 shopping
00:31:59.300 they
00:31:59.500 came
00:31:59.740 back
00:31:59.960 dad
00:32:00.220 came
00:32:00.460 back
00:32:00.680 disrupted
00:32:01.260 these
00:32:01.640 burglars
00:32:02.120 they
00:32:02.880 literally
00:32:03.220 ran
00:32:03.640 past
00:32:04.080 him
00:32:04.280 thank
00:32:04.600 the
00:32:04.760 lord
00:32:04.960 they
00:32:05.160 did
00:32:05.360 because
00:32:05.620 if
00:32:05.800 they
00:32:05.900 knocked
00:32:06.280 him
00:32:06.460 over
00:32:06.720 he
00:32:06.920 could
00:32:07.240 have
00:32:07.340 literally
00:32:07.580 been
00:32:07.780 killed
00:32:08.100 and they
00:32:08.980 ran out
00:32:09.940 and they
00:32:10.240 took
00:32:10.520 my
00:32:11.100 mum's
00:32:12.480 jewellery
00:32:12.840 and some
00:32:13.200 of her
00:32:13.440 mum's
00:32:13.780 jewellery
00:32:14.120 which is
00:32:14.760 the only
00:32:15.000 thing she
00:32:15.340 has to
00:32:15.600 remember
00:32:15.900 her by
00:32:16.240 and they
00:32:16.680 stole
00:32:16.980 it
00:32:17.140 thousands
00:32:17.560 of
00:32:17.780 pounds
00:32:18.000 worth
00:32:18.320 my
00:32:19.180 dad
00:32:19.440 called
00:32:19.700 the
00:32:19.860 police
00:32:20.100 they
00:32:20.300 came
00:32:20.520 round
00:32:20.800 did
00:32:21.200 nothing
00:32:21.580 if not
00:32:21.920 a
00:32:22.140 cursory
00:32:22.660 glance
00:32:23.180 went
00:32:24.400 right
00:32:30.220 away
00:32:30.500 five
00:32:30.800 minutes
00:32:31.060 later
00:32:31.320 my
00:32:31.540 dad
00:32:31.720 received
00:32:32.060 an
00:32:32.200 email
00:32:32.400 in
00:32:32.560 his
00:32:32.680 inbox
00:32:33.040 saying
00:32:33.620 the
00:32:33.780 case
00:32:34.020 was
00:32:34.180 closed
00:32:34.500 and
00:32:34.700 here's
00:32:34.900 your
00:32:35.000 crime
00:32:35.200 reference
00:32:35.560 number
00:32:35.800 for
00:32:35.980 insurance
00:32:36.340 purposes
00:32:36.820 there
00:32:37.180 was an
00:32:37.400 article
00:32:37.700 the other
00:32:38.000 day
00:32:38.300 that shows
00:32:38.760 that's
00:32:39.380 tragic
00:32:39.700 by the
00:32:40.000 way
00:32:40.160 yeah
00:32:40.420 but
00:32:40.840 I
00:32:41.800 think
00:32:42.080 prosecutions
00:32:42.940 or
00:32:43.160 convictions
00:32:43.620 one of
00:32:44.220 the
00:32:44.320 two
00:32:44.620 for
00:32:45.120 crimes
00:32:45.500 of that
00:32:45.860 nature
00:32:46.240 are in
00:32:46.620 single
00:32:46.960 digits
00:32:47.340 in
00:32:47.540 this
00:32:47.660 country
00:32:47.980 so
00:32:48.520 you've
00:32:48.800 got
00:32:49.080 the
00:32:49.720 police
00:32:49.960 completely
00:32:50.440 failing
00:32:50.860 as
00:32:51.020 Francis
00:32:51.300 says
00:32:51.580 in
00:32:51.740 their
00:32:51.940 duty
00:32:52.280 to
00:32:52.580 the
00:32:52.760 citizens
00:32:53.200 in
00:32:53.960 terms
00:32:54.340 of
00:32:54.460 dealing
00:32:54.640 with
00:32:54.820 actual
00:32:55.420 crime
00:32:55.900 yet
00:32:56.500 they're
00:32:56.800 able
00:32:56.980 to
00:32:57.180 send
00:32:57.360 three
00:32:57.640 vehicles
00:32:58.200 and
00:32:58.460 seven
00:32:58.840 officers
00:32:59.560 to
00:33:00.340 arrest
00:33:00.640 a guy
00:33:00.940 for
00:33:01.180 a
00:33:01.300 mean
00:33:01.540 does
00:33:03.880 that make
00:33:04.500 any sense
00:33:05.720 to anyone
00:33:06.200 no
00:33:06.980 well
00:33:07.220 yes
00:33:07.600 it does
00:33:07.880 make
00:33:08.060 sense
00:33:08.400 if you
00:33:08.840 understand
00:33:09.200 that
00:33:09.440 our
00:33:09.640 police
00:33:10.040 are
00:33:10.700 engaged
00:33:11.280 in
00:33:11.680 the
00:33:11.920 promotion
00:33:12.240 of
00:33:12.400 an
00:33:12.480 ideology
00:33:12.920 so
00:33:13.940 quite
00:33:15.000 interesting
00:33:15.460 you say
00:33:15.780 your mum
00:33:16.700 was
00:33:17.040 disabled
00:33:17.840 so
00:33:19.120 disability
00:33:20.020 is one
00:33:20.500 of the
00:33:20.680 five
00:33:22.020 monitors
00:33:22.360 strands
00:33:22.860 but
00:33:24.240 it's
00:33:24.380 not
00:33:24.560 given
00:33:24.860 anything
00:33:25.340 like
00:33:25.740 the
00:33:25.940 same
00:33:26.100 amount
00:33:26.340 of
00:33:26.440 attention
00:33:26.860 as
00:33:28.060 gender
00:33:30.520 identity
00:33:31.420 now
00:33:32.780 you
00:33:33.220 would
00:33:33.440 have
00:33:33.560 got
00:33:34.460 further
00:33:34.880 with
00:33:35.040 that
00:33:35.180 complaint
00:33:35.560 had
00:33:35.800 you
00:33:35.980 said
00:33:36.420 that
00:33:36.900 I
00:33:37.040 believe
00:33:37.320 that
00:33:37.440 I
00:33:37.540 have
00:33:37.640 been
00:33:37.760 targeted
00:33:38.180 because
00:33:38.660 I
00:33:39.220 am
00:33:39.340 disabled
00:33:39.720 that
00:33:40.860 would
00:33:41.080 have
00:33:41.200 made
00:33:41.500 a
00:33:41.800 significant
00:33:42.900 difference
00:33:44.040 if
00:33:45.100 you
00:33:45.220 said
00:33:45.540 I
00:33:45.800 believe
00:33:46.080 that
00:33:46.200 I
00:33:46.300 have
00:33:46.360 been
00:33:46.480 targeted
00:33:46.800 because
00:33:47.280 I'm
00:33:47.800 LGBT
00:33:48.320 because
00:33:49.020 of my
00:33:49.180 gender
00:33:49.480 identity
00:33:50.020 you
00:33:50.860 would
00:33:51.020 have
00:33:51.200 everybody
00:33:51.520 including
00:33:51.960 the chief
00:33:52.280 constable
00:33:52.660 they're
00:33:53.160 investigating
00:33:53.540 it
00:33:53.980 because
00:33:54.640 the theft
00:33:56.740 would be
00:33:57.280 an affront
00:33:57.880 to their
00:33:58.920 number one
00:33:59.380 ideology
00:33:59.840 that they
00:34:00.360 are promoting
00:34:00.860 that's
00:34:01.780 the problem
00:34:02.620 they're not
00:34:03.640 that interested
00:34:04.800 when I talk
00:34:05.420 about the police
00:34:05.820 I'm not talking
00:34:06.200 about general
00:34:06.800 police officers
00:34:07.420 most police
00:34:08.440 officers
00:34:08.880 are good
00:34:09.900 good people
00:34:10.760 who want
00:34:11.580 to do
00:34:12.100 the job
00:34:13.180 but the
00:34:13.840 system
00:34:14.280 is geared
00:34:15.260 up
00:34:15.580 so that
00:34:16.520 there is
00:34:16.820 a prioritizing
00:34:17.920 of
00:34:18.600 ideological
00:34:19.220 crimes
00:34:19.920 over
00:34:20.620 any
00:34:20.980 other
00:34:21.140 crime
00:34:21.480 and
00:34:21.940 this
00:34:22.100 is
00:34:22.240 very
00:34:22.400 much
00:34:22.660 like
00:34:23.960 as it
00:34:24.640 was
00:34:24.900 behind
00:34:25.560 the
00:34:25.740 iron
00:34:25.880 curtain
00:34:26.180 well
00:34:26.900 it's
00:34:27.220 true
00:34:27.500 and
00:34:28.140 one
00:34:28.380 of
00:34:28.480 the
00:34:28.580 things
00:34:28.740 I
00:34:28.880 don't
00:34:29.140 think
00:34:29.260 people
00:34:29.540 in
00:34:29.700 this
00:34:29.860 country
00:34:30.140 watching
00:34:30.620 this
00:34:31.000 and
00:34:31.160 listening
00:34:31.380 to
00:34:31.540 this
00:34:31.720 realize
00:34:32.200 how
00:34:33.140 weird
00:34:33.620 this
00:34:33.940 is
00:34:34.320 like
00:34:34.980 when
00:34:35.220 we
00:34:35.460 as I
00:34:35.960 said
00:34:36.100 we
00:34:36.260 were
00:34:36.400 in
00:34:36.520 America
00:34:36.820 for
00:34:37.020 three
00:34:37.260 weeks
00:34:37.460 talking
00:34:37.800 to
00:34:38.060 people
00:34:38.380 and
00:34:38.580 this
00:34:38.760 issue
00:34:39.040 came
00:34:39.380 up
00:34:39.620 and
00:34:39.780 we
00:34:40.000 were
00:34:40.120 there
00:34:40.320 while
00:34:40.700 this
00:34:40.960 incident
00:34:41.280 happened
00:34:41.660 and
00:34:41.840 we
00:34:41.960 were
00:34:42.100 telling
00:34:42.320 people
00:34:42.580 people
00:34:43.260 in
00:34:43.420 America
00:34:43.680 can't
00:34:44.220 believe
00:34:44.540 that
00:34:44.740 this
00:34:44.900 is
00:34:45.040 possible
00:34:45.440 no
00:34:46.320 they
00:34:46.620 can't
00:34:46.980 imagine
00:34:47.640 that
00:34:48.440 in
00:34:48.860 a
00:34:49.020 country
00:34:49.280 like
00:34:49.560 Britain
00:34:49.940 which
00:34:50.220 is
00:34:50.420 about
00:34:50.720 as
00:34:50.920 close
00:34:51.220 to
00:34:51.360 the
00:34:51.480 United
00:34:51.700 States
00:34:52.080 as
00:34:52.240 you're
00:34:52.420 going
00:34:52.520 to
00:34:52.620 get
00:34:52.860 in
00:34:53.020 terms
00:34:53.260 of
00:34:53.400 the
00:34:53.600 countries
00:34:53.920 around
00:34:54.180 the
00:34:54.320 world
00:34:54.560 people
00:34:55.860 are
00:34:56.200 being
00:34:56.500 arrested
00:34:57.040 for
00:34:57.960 what
00:34:58.180 they
00:34:58.400 say
00:34:58.860 on
00:34:59.160 social
00:34:59.540 media
00:34:59.980 yeah
00:35:00.500 it
00:35:01.840 I
00:35:02.960 it's
00:35:03.580 I
00:35:04.060 don't
00:35:04.540 I don't
00:35:04.840 know how
00:35:05.100 to
00:35:05.260 explain
00:35:05.620 to
00:35:05.800 people
00:35:06.000 how
00:35:06.200 wrong
00:35:06.500 this
00:35:06.760 is
00:35:07.140 of
00:35:07.520 course
00:35:07.660 it's
00:35:07.800 wrong
00:35:08.000 you
00:35:08.280 know
00:35:08.560 and
00:35:09.160 I
00:35:09.940 think
00:35:10.300 I
00:35:10.460 hear
00:35:10.760 what
00:35:10.940 you're
00:35:11.100 saying
00:35:11.340 about
00:35:11.720 the
00:35:12.160 way
00:35:12.300 police
00:35:12.760 are
00:35:12.960 but
00:35:13.160 also
00:35:13.520 to
00:35:14.100 me
00:35:14.300 it
00:35:14.460 puts
00:35:14.640 into
00:35:14.860 question
00:35:15.260 this
00:35:15.840 whole
00:35:17.000 law
00:35:18.180 which
00:35:18.980 says
00:35:19.240 that
00:35:19.400 you
00:35:19.500 can't
00:35:19.760 be
00:35:19.880 grossly
00:35:20.320 offensive
00:35:20.680 well
00:35:21.840 now
00:35:22.660 this
00:35:23.120 is
00:35:23.480 why
00:35:23.640 we
00:35:23.780 set
00:35:24.000 up
00:35:24.220 the
00:35:24.420 bad
00:35:24.640 law
00:35:24.820 project
00:35:25.220 because
00:35:27.240 fundamentally
00:35:28.160 we
00:35:28.580 think
00:35:28.760 most
00:35:29.260 laws
00:35:29.880 are
00:35:30.640 okay
00:35:31.320 are
00:35:32.320 good
00:35:33.000 but
00:35:33.660 when
00:35:34.340 you
00:35:34.560 apply
00:35:35.120 a
00:35:35.460 law
00:35:35.720 you
00:35:36.320 have
00:35:36.660 to
00:35:36.880 bear
00:35:37.120 in
00:35:37.300 mind
00:35:37.620 what
00:35:38.340 did
00:35:39.200 parliament
00:35:39.700 what
00:35:41.180 problem
00:35:41.600 was
00:35:41.820 parliament
00:35:42.160 trying
00:35:42.500 to
00:35:42.720 solve
00:35:43.100 at
00:35:43.660 the
00:35:43.840 time
00:35:44.140 the
00:35:44.340 law
00:35:44.560 was
00:35:44.800 enacted
00:35:45.120 so
00:35:45.740 what
00:35:45.980 they've
00:35:46.260 done
00:35:46.440 instead
00:35:46.820 they've
00:35:47.200 taken
00:35:47.560 laws
00:35:48.980 that
00:35:49.700 were
00:35:49.900 designed
00:35:50.640 to
00:35:50.940 solve
00:35:51.120 a
00:35:51.240 problem
00:35:51.440 in
00:35:51.620 1990
00:35:52.300 or
00:35:52.640 1997
00:35:53.060 or
00:35:53.400 what
00:35:53.560 have
00:35:53.660 you
00:35:53.840 and
00:35:54.560 they're
00:35:54.720 now
00:35:55.000 trying
00:35:55.300 to
00:35:55.460 apply
00:35:55.820 it
00:35:56.100 to
00:35:56.720 this
00:35:57.160 highly
00:35:57.760 digital
00:35:58.340 age
00:35:59.200 so
00:36:00.300 rather
00:36:00.740 than
00:36:00.920 going
00:36:01.080 to
00:36:01.200 the
00:36:01.260 trouble
00:36:01.420 of
00:36:01.540 enacting
00:36:02.000 a
00:36:02.180 new
00:36:02.420 more
00:36:02.780 specific
00:36:03.240 law
00:36:03.680 they've
00:36:05.560 just
00:36:05.840 given
00:36:06.760 the
00:36:06.920 old
00:36:07.100 laws
00:36:07.440 a bit
00:36:07.700 of
00:36:07.820 a
00:36:08.140 bit
00:36:08.840 of
00:36:08.940 a
00:36:09.040 rebranding
00:36:09.700 and
00:36:10.800 tried
00:36:11.020 to
00:36:11.180 apply
00:36:11.440 them
00:36:11.580 do you
00:36:11.740 think
00:36:11.920 that
00:36:12.120 particular
00:36:12.520 law
00:36:12.760 should
00:36:12.920 be
00:36:13.060 repealed
00:36:13.460 I guess
00:36:13.700 no
00:36:13.860 I don't
00:36:14.160 I think
00:36:14.400 I don't
00:36:14.680 know
00:36:14.980 not
00:36:15.200 necessarily
00:36:16.000 why should
00:36:17.580 it be
00:36:17.860 illegal
00:36:18.280 to
00:36:18.500 be
00:36:18.660 offensive
00:36:19.040 it's
00:36:19.700 not
00:36:19.960 it's
00:36:21.260 illegal
00:36:21.540 to
00:36:21.720 be
00:36:21.860 grossly
00:36:22.400 offensive
00:36:22.480 okay
00:36:22.580 why
00:36:22.780 should
00:36:22.960 it
00:36:23.080 be
00:36:23.140 illegal
00:36:23.360 to
00:36:23.500 be
00:36:23.620 grossly
00:36:23.980 offensive
00:36:24.280 okay
00:36:25.540 again
00:36:26.540 it's
00:36:26.920 targeted
00:36:27.320 gross
00:36:28.000 offense
00:36:30.000 so
00:36:30.700 if I
00:36:31.100 were to
00:36:31.380 send
00:36:31.700 to your
00:36:32.440 mom
00:36:32.700 having
00:36:32.920 been
00:36:33.120 burgled
00:36:33.520 a
00:36:34.200 message
00:36:34.700 saying
00:36:35.620 I'm
00:36:36.300 glad
00:36:36.640 you
00:36:37.560 were
00:36:37.720 burgled
00:36:38.540 you
00:36:38.920 disabled
00:36:39.980 cow
00:36:41.180 or
00:36:41.520 blah
00:36:41.900 blah
00:36:42.000 blah
00:36:42.140 and
00:36:42.640 focusing
00:36:43.040 on
00:36:43.340 that
00:36:43.640 that's
00:36:44.360 not
00:36:44.560 just
00:36:45.080 offensive
00:36:45.560 that's
00:36:46.200 grossly
00:36:46.600 offensive
00:36:46.940 and
00:36:47.400 it's
00:36:47.620 designed
00:36:48.160 with
00:36:48.880 malice
00:36:49.600 in
00:36:50.040 mind
00:36:50.480 and
00:36:51.480 menaces
00:36:51.940 in
00:36:52.280 mind
00:36:52.600 there
00:36:53.300 is
00:36:53.480 the
00:36:53.640 hope
00:36:54.020 that
00:36:54.400 the
00:36:54.560 effect
00:36:54.860 I'm
00:36:55.080 going
00:36:55.180 to
00:36:55.240 have
00:36:55.400 on
00:36:55.520 your
00:36:55.680 mom
00:36:55.980 is
00:36:56.440 to
00:36:56.580 make
00:36:56.860 her
00:36:57.140 extremely
00:36:57.940 uncomfortable
00:36:58.520 I'm
00:36:59.140 not
00:36:59.320 against
00:36:59.880 laws
00:37:00.880 like
00:37:01.440 that
00:37:01.740 providing
00:37:02.440 they are
00:37:02.780 applied
00:37:03.120 in
00:37:03.300 that
00:37:03.420 way
00:37:03.560 what
00:37:03.720 we
00:37:03.860 have
00:37:04.020 here
00:37:04.300 is
00:37:05.060 an
00:37:05.260 unknown
00:37:05.680 victim
00:37:06.100 just
00:37:06.940 a
00:37:07.320 somebody
00:37:07.660 a
00:37:08.160 somebody
00:37:08.620 who
00:37:09.100 said
00:37:09.480 that
00:37:10.080 opinion
00:37:10.480 causes
00:37:10.880 me
00:37:11.080 anxiety
00:37:11.580 now
00:37:13.640 that
00:37:13.960 and
00:37:14.460 the
00:37:14.580 situation
00:37:15.020 I've
00:37:15.280 just
00:37:15.420 described
00:37:15.760 to
00:37:15.900 you
00:37:16.060 so
00:37:16.460 providing
00:37:17.040 the
00:37:17.880 law
00:37:18.380 is
00:37:19.340 used
00:37:19.860 in
00:37:20.340 the
00:37:20.520 manner
00:37:20.780 it
00:37:22.460 was
00:37:22.580 designed
00:37:22.980 for
00:37:23.340 and
00:37:24.500 is
00:37:24.620 not
00:37:24.820 overextended
00:37:25.660 into
00:37:26.360 other
00:37:26.700 things
00:37:27.280 I
00:37:27.880 don't
00:37:28.260 think
00:37:28.420 there's
00:37:28.580 a
00:37:28.780 massive
00:37:29.080 problem
00:37:29.480 necessarily
00:37:30.060 with
00:37:31.040 127
00:37:31.740 there
00:37:32.420 may
00:37:32.740 be
00:37:33.060 I need
00:37:33.660 to look
00:37:33.880 at the
00:37:34.060 data
00:37:34.300 on it
00:37:34.640 I need
00:37:35.140 to see
00:37:35.620 how
00:37:36.180 it's
00:37:36.400 been
00:37:36.600 used
00:37:37.160 but
00:37:37.860 I'm
00:37:38.220 not
00:37:38.460 one
00:37:38.640 saying
00:37:39.040 just
00:37:39.500 because
00:37:39.720 a
00:37:39.840 law
00:37:39.980 has
00:37:40.080 been
00:37:40.180 badly
00:37:40.440 applied
00:37:40.800 it
00:37:40.960 necessarily
00:37:41.380 makes
00:37:41.660 it
00:37:41.760 a
00:37:41.940 bad
00:37:42.160 law
00:37:42.700 one
00:37:42.860 of the
00:37:43.000 problems
00:37:43.160 that we
00:37:43.380 have
00:37:43.600 I always
00:37:44.160 take
00:37:44.300 the
00:37:44.400 dangerous
00:37:44.620 dogs
00:37:44.900 act
00:37:45.200 as an
00:37:46.620 example
00:37:46.980 because
00:37:47.480 that is
00:37:47.740 a prime
00:37:48.140 example
00:37:48.500 of rushed
00:37:49.500 terrible
00:37:50.060 law
00:37:50.420 if you're
00:37:50.920 going to
00:37:51.000 have a
00:37:51.200 dangerous
00:37:51.440 dogs
00:37:51.720 act
00:37:51.860 you've
00:37:52.080 got to
00:37:52.400 define
00:37:52.900 what a
00:37:53.320 dangerous
00:37:53.640 dog
00:37:53.940 is
00:37:54.140 you've
00:37:54.600 got to
00:37:54.820 define
00:37:55.180 what
00:37:55.560 is
00:37:55.900 an
00:37:56.340 American
00:37:56.700 pitbull
00:37:57.120 terrier
00:37:57.460 or what
00:37:58.220 have
00:37:58.360 you
00:37:58.480 because
00:37:58.680 otherwise
00:37:59.020 you can
00:37:59.700 get
00:37:59.820 somebody
00:38:00.220 saying
00:38:00.980 you get
00:38:01.740 bit
00:38:01.940 by a
00:38:02.260 chihuahua
00:38:02.640 and
00:38:02.780 somebody
00:38:02.960 says
00:38:03.180 I
00:38:03.560 interpret
00:38:04.240 that
00:38:04.440 as
00:38:04.560 an
00:38:04.660 American
00:38:04.880 bull
00:38:05.060 terrier
00:38:05.340 and
00:38:05.440 the
00:38:05.520 next
00:38:05.640 thing
00:38:05.740 you
00:38:05.820 know
00:38:06.020 little
00:38:06.880 poncy
00:38:07.180 dog
00:38:07.380 has
00:38:07.480 been
00:38:07.640 put
00:38:08.480 down
00:38:08.720 that's
00:38:09.500 a
00:38:09.560 result
00:38:09.740 of
00:38:09.900 bad
00:38:10.100 law
00:38:10.340 very
00:38:11.860 bad
00:38:12.420 law
00:38:12.680 what we
00:38:13.760 have
00:38:13.920 here
00:38:14.220 is
00:38:14.520 potentially
00:38:15.260 bad
00:38:15.580 law
00:38:15.900 being
00:38:18.420 applied
00:38:18.980 by
00:38:19.760 ideologically
00:38:21.160 driven
00:38:21.640 officers
00:38:22.260 who
00:38:22.840 understand
00:38:23.280 ideology
00:38:23.920 but
00:38:24.500 do
00:38:24.740 not
00:38:24.980 understand
00:38:25.700 the
00:38:26.400 law
00:38:26.680 that's
00:38:27.540 the
00:38:27.620 problem
00:38:27.800 that's
00:38:28.260 why
00:38:28.380 when we
00:38:28.660 confronted
00:38:29.160 them
00:38:29.460 they
00:38:29.860 were
00:38:30.000 not
00:38:30.300 able
00:38:30.840 to
00:38:31.320 quote
00:38:31.600 it
00:38:31.840 they
00:38:32.380 were
00:38:32.540 not
00:38:32.760 able
00:38:33.000 to
00:38:33.140 quote
00:38:33.280 it
00:38:33.380 they
00:38:33.720 had
00:38:33.880 a
00:38:34.020 go
00:38:34.200 at
00:38:34.340 quoting
00:38:34.640 it
00:38:34.900 but
00:38:35.340 they
00:38:35.500 got
00:38:35.700 it
00:38:35.820 miserably
00:38:36.320 wrong
00:38:36.540 now
00:38:36.700 when I
00:38:36.960 was
00:38:37.080 a
00:38:37.160 police
00:38:37.300 officer
00:38:37.580 and
00:38:38.060 this
00:38:38.200 is
00:38:38.320 a
00:38:38.520 long
00:38:38.760 time
00:38:39.320 ago
00:38:39.640 a
00:38:39.960 long
00:38:40.140 time
00:38:40.400 ago
00:38:40.680 we
00:38:43.120 learnt
00:38:43.780 the
00:38:44.020 law
00:38:44.280 by
00:38:44.740 rote
00:38:45.140 we
00:38:45.740 understood
00:38:46.320 our
00:38:46.760 points
00:38:47.260 to
00:38:47.480 prove
00:38:47.860 if
00:38:48.120 you're
00:38:48.260 going
00:38:48.440 to
00:38:48.800 convict
00:38:51.140 somebody
00:38:51.560 or
00:38:52.080 charge
00:38:52.380 somebody
00:38:52.740 you
00:38:53.340 have
00:38:53.620 to
00:38:53.800 understand
00:38:54.180 the
00:38:54.380 points
00:38:54.620 to
00:38:54.780 prove
00:38:55.100 and
00:38:55.820 tick
00:38:56.140 off
00:38:56.380 everyone
00:38:56.880 that
00:38:57.520 is
00:38:57.820 reliant
00:38:58.260 on
00:38:58.580 knowing
00:39:02.760 don't
00:39:03.400 because
00:39:03.780 the
00:39:04.060 law
00:39:04.440 is
00:39:05.000 secondary
00:39:05.500 to
00:39:06.100 policing
00:39:06.600 ideology
00:39:07.280 and
00:39:07.920 but
00:39:08.060 that's
00:39:08.340 a
00:39:08.480 fault
00:39:08.620 of
00:39:09.360 the
00:39:09.460 institution
00:39:10.000 because
00:39:10.500 these
00:39:10.740 people
00:39:10.960 are
00:39:11.080 not
00:39:11.220 getting
00:39:11.440 trained
00:39:11.740 properly
00:39:12.160 correct
00:39:12.860 but
00:39:13.240 again
00:39:13.460 that's
00:39:13.820 a
00:39:14.560 product
00:39:14.860 of
00:39:15.060 design
00:39:15.380 the
00:39:15.880 college
00:39:16.120 of
00:39:16.260 policing
00:39:16.560 which
00:39:16.780 as far
00:39:17.000 as
00:39:17.120 I'm
00:39:17.300 concerned
00:39:17.760 is
00:39:18.200 the
00:39:18.480 fountain
00:39:19.240 head
00:39:19.600 of
00:39:20.060 all
00:39:20.380 of
00:39:20.520 this
00:39:20.660 nonsense
00:39:21.140 they
00:39:23.380 said
00:39:24.300 last
00:39:25.400 year
00:39:25.560 or
00:39:25.640 the
00:39:25.680 year
00:39:25.760 before
00:39:26.020 that
00:39:26.640 they
00:39:26.740 now
00:39:26.980 only
00:39:27.400 want
00:39:27.680 to
00:39:27.980 recruit
00:39:28.540 graduates
00:39:29.600 as
00:39:29.960 police
00:39:30.200 officers
00:39:30.620 really
00:39:32.800 so
00:39:33.420 you
00:39:33.540 don't
00:39:33.700 want
00:39:33.900 ex
00:39:34.600 army
00:39:35.040 guys
00:39:35.520 you
00:39:35.660 don't
00:39:35.820 want
00:39:35.980 people
00:39:36.300 with
00:39:36.640 loads
00:39:37.680 of
00:39:37.820 years
00:39:38.100 as
00:39:38.440 plumbers
00:39:39.700 electricians
00:39:40.520 etc
00:39:41.260 you
00:39:41.540 only
00:39:41.740 want
00:39:41.920 security
00:39:42.480 people
00:39:43.080 why
00:39:43.700 is
00:39:44.240 that
00:39:44.420 now
00:39:44.640 I've
00:39:45.360 taught
00:39:45.540 in
00:39:45.680 university
00:39:46.140 for
00:39:46.980 many
00:39:47.180 years
00:39:47.520 and
00:39:48.880 one
00:39:49.160 thing
00:39:49.400 that
00:39:49.580 I
00:39:49.700 know
00:39:49.940 about
00:39:50.200 university
00:39:50.620 students
00:39:51.020 is
00:39:51.180 you
00:39:51.320 are
00:39:51.440 teaching
00:39:51.720 them
00:39:51.880 how
00:39:52.040 not
00:39:52.260 to
00:39:52.440 think
00:39:52.720 you
00:39:53.420 are
00:39:53.540 teaching
00:39:53.820 university
00:39:54.240 students
00:39:54.680 how
00:39:55.160 to
00:39:55.520 achieve
00:39:56.620 a set
00:39:57.220 of
00:39:57.460 predetermined
00:39:58.040 learning
00:39:58.340 outcomes
00:39:58.780 by
00:39:59.420 using
00:39:59.740 a
00:40:00.060 particular
00:40:00.580 form
00:40:00.980 of
00:40:01.200 words
00:40:01.620 and
00:40:02.180 managing
00:40:02.720 to
00:40:02.920 cobble
00:40:03.120 it
00:40:03.240 together
00:40:03.560 within
00:40:04.160 an
00:40:04.440 essay
00:40:04.820 or
00:40:05.380 an
00:40:06.160 exam
00:40:06.400 answer
00:40:06.820 they
00:40:07.580 want
00:40:07.820 people
00:40:08.280 who
00:40:08.740 are
00:40:09.140 trainee
00:40:09.660 automatons
00:40:10.360 that's
00:40:11.460 what
00:40:11.620 they
00:40:11.820 want
00:40:12.060 that
00:40:12.280 don't
00:40:12.520 have
00:40:12.680 common
00:40:12.960 sense
00:40:13.300 that
00:40:13.480 have
00:40:13.880 no
00:40:15.020 experience
00:40:15.560 of
00:40:15.740 common
00:40:15.960 sense
00:40:16.320 and
00:40:16.880 the
00:40:17.480 police
00:40:17.800 are
00:40:18.180 actively
00:40:18.820 against
00:40:19.620 common
00:40:20.000 sense
00:40:20.360 because
00:40:20.900 as
00:40:21.120 Chief
00:40:21.360 Constable
00:40:21.920 Lee
00:40:22.240 Freeman
00:40:22.540 said
00:40:23.000 it's
00:40:24.000 not
00:40:24.240 an
00:40:24.440 appropriate
00:40:24.840 tool
00:40:25.360 for
00:40:25.920 a
00:40:26.060 police
00:40:26.320 officer
00:40:26.680 we
00:40:27.240 know
00:40:27.460 that
00:40:27.760 we
00:40:28.300 know
00:40:28.580 what
00:40:28.880 they
00:40:29.060 think
00:40:29.420 because
00:40:30.580 common
00:40:31.140 law
00:40:31.440 they're
00:40:32.260 not
00:40:32.420 interested
00:40:32.920 in
00:40:33.200 common
00:40:33.420 law
00:40:33.660 they're
00:40:34.080 not
00:40:34.240 interested
00:40:34.740 in
00:40:35.120 liberty
00:40:35.520 they
00:40:36.060 are
00:40:36.200 interested
00:40:36.840 in
00:40:37.580 enforcing
00:40:38.740 us
00:40:39.060 into
00:40:39.640 a
00:40:39.880 form
00:40:40.140 of
00:40:40.280 behaviour
00:40:40.720 and
00:40:41.440 a
00:40:41.580 form
00:40:41.780 of
00:40:41.940 words
00:40:42.460 and
00:40:43.060 a
00:40:43.200 form
00:40:43.460 of
00:40:43.740 expression
00:40:44.360 and
00:40:45.060 cheering
00:40:45.600 the
00:40:45.840 NHS
00:40:46.280 clapping
00:40:47.740 everybody
00:40:48.500 that walks
00:40:48.900 past
00:40:49.120 with a
00:40:49.400 bright
00:40:49.660 flag
00:40:50.000 all
00:40:50.800 that
00:40:50.980 kind
00:40:51.140 of
00:40:51.200 stuff
00:40:51.360 there's
00:40:51.660 just
00:40:51.880 this
00:40:52.080 mass
00:40:53.160 encouragement
00:40:53.860 by the
00:40:54.480 police
00:40:54.840 to get
00:40:56.580 us
00:40:56.720 to
00:40:56.860 obey
00:40:57.180 and
00:40:58.040 of
00:40:58.160 course
00:40:58.300 it wasn't
00:40:59.540 held
00:40:59.960 either
00:41:00.500 by
00:41:01.320 government
00:41:02.100 during
00:41:02.680 lockdown
00:41:03.600 when
00:41:04.780 Boris Johnson
00:41:06.400 stood there
00:41:07.180 with an
00:41:08.340 expert on
00:41:08.860 the left
00:41:09.140 and a
00:41:09.780 so-called
00:41:10.120 expert on
00:41:10.640 the right
00:41:11.040 and he
00:41:11.860 would make
00:41:12.260 pronouncements
00:41:13.040 from number
00:41:13.500 10
00:41:13.860 as though
00:41:14.720 number
00:41:14.980 10
00:41:15.420 were the
00:41:16.060 source of
00:41:16.460 authority
00:41:16.840 when it's
00:41:17.200 actually
00:41:17.600 our
00:41:18.680 democratic
00:41:19.200 parliament
00:41:19.680 which is
00:41:20.480 the source
00:41:20.840 of our
00:41:21.160 authority
00:41:21.520 so that's
00:41:22.020 number one
00:41:22.980 error
00:41:23.380 but he
00:41:24.740 would make
00:41:25.100 these
00:41:25.300 pronouncements
00:41:26.000 about
00:41:26.260 lockdowns
00:41:26.880 and this
00:41:27.020 that
00:41:27.160 and the
00:41:27.340 other
00:41:27.560 not backed
00:41:28.180 up by
00:41:28.480 law
00:41:28.760 guidance
00:41:29.600 but the
00:41:30.520 police
00:41:30.960 were enforcing
00:41:31.900 guidance
00:41:32.660 and the
00:41:33.480 public
00:41:33.880 were led
00:41:34.560 to a
00:41:35.440 position
00:41:35.620 where they
00:41:35.940 didn't
00:41:36.220 understand
00:41:36.720 the
00:41:37.000 difference
00:41:37.460 between
00:41:38.280 law
00:41:39.100 and guidance
00:41:40.260 now then
00:41:40.880 let's just
00:41:43.040 think about
00:41:43.380 the death
00:41:43.700 of Sarah
00:41:44.420 Everard
00:41:45.060 for a
00:41:45.520 second
00:41:45.800 under
00:41:47.000 normal
00:41:47.400 circumstances
00:41:48.240 would a
00:41:49.000 bright
00:41:49.600 smart
00:41:50.740 feisty
00:41:51.780 young
00:41:52.060 woman
00:41:52.380 believe
00:41:54.100 if a
00:41:55.200 police
00:41:55.420 officer
00:41:55.700 pulled up
00:41:56.080 in a
00:41:56.260 car
00:41:56.480 that she
00:41:57.200 had committed
00:41:57.500 an offence
00:41:57.920 by somebody
00:41:58.360 going for a
00:41:58.820 walk
00:41:59.100 no
00:42:00.160 no chance
00:42:01.320 no chance
00:42:02.420 but during
00:42:03.280 the COVID
00:42:03.840 lockdown
00:42:04.460 period
00:42:05.200 a police
00:42:06.200 officer
00:42:06.520 was able
00:42:06.920 to pull
00:42:07.280 up
00:42:07.540 say
00:42:08.500 you're
00:42:08.940 breaking
00:42:09.220 the law
00:42:09.620 and she
00:42:11.280 believed
00:42:11.680 him
00:42:11.900 she got
00:42:13.400 into the
00:42:13.700 car
00:42:13.940 and we
00:42:14.940 know what
00:42:15.260 happened
00:42:15.620 now that
00:42:16.000 is not
00:42:16.280 at all
00:42:16.680 to excuse
00:42:18.060 what that
00:42:19.840 evil
00:42:20.280 officer
00:42:21.020 did
00:42:21.820 but this
00:42:23.280 is a
00:42:24.000 consequence
00:42:24.500 of the
00:42:25.080 public
00:42:25.360 being
00:42:25.720 duped
00:42:26.400 and confused
00:42:28.140 about what
00:42:28.740 is law
00:42:29.240 and what
00:42:29.980 is guidance
00:42:30.840 under normal
00:42:31.900 circumstances
00:42:32.540 she would
00:42:33.380 have run
00:42:33.760 a mile
00:42:34.540 if a
00:42:35.580 police
00:42:35.860 officer
00:42:36.280 had said
00:42:37.160 you've
00:42:37.640 committed
00:42:37.920 a crime
00:42:38.300 by walking
00:42:38.880 going for
00:42:39.720 a walk
00:42:40.120 she'd have
00:42:40.780 been off
00:42:41.040 like a
00:42:41.340 shot
00:42:41.580 but this
00:42:43.020 confusion
00:42:43.580 has led
00:42:44.580 to all
00:42:45.560 sorts
00:42:46.020 of
00:42:46.680 atrocities
00:42:47.840 quite
00:42:48.080 frankly
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00:42:49.600 on
00:42:49.960 us
00:42:50.240 as a
00:42:51.100 people
00:42:51.440 by an
00:42:52.320 authority
00:42:52.720 which
00:42:53.320 wants us
00:42:54.080 to be
00:42:54.360 confused
00:42:54.780 and wants
00:42:55.740 us not
00:42:56.040 to understand
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00:44:02.640 harry do you think
00:44:04.660 part of it as well
00:44:05.460 is laziness
00:44:06.120 on the part of the
00:44:07.000 police
00:44:07.380 because
00:44:08.300 it's look like
00:44:09.580 take what happened
00:44:10.200 to my parents
00:44:10.900 you know
00:44:11.360 you're gonna have
00:44:12.100 to get a team in
00:44:12.880 they're gonna have
00:44:13.320 to dust for
00:44:13.860 fingerprints
00:44:14.340 they're gonna have
00:44:15.340 to take witness
00:44:16.120 statements
00:44:16.700 they're gonna have
00:44:17.800 to look at other
00:44:18.440 burglars in the area
00:44:19.720 they're gonna need
00:44:20.660 to match it up
00:44:21.580 or did they do this
00:44:23.000 at a certain time
00:44:23.900 they're gonna have
00:44:24.320 to establish a pattern
00:44:25.440 that's gonna take
00:44:26.520 a lot of effort
00:44:27.100 and man hours
00:44:27.720 whereas this
00:44:28.600 you photocopy
00:44:29.820 or whatever
00:44:30.160 you do a screen grab
00:44:31.080 of a meme on Facebook
00:44:32.220 job done
00:44:33.080 yeah
00:44:33.780 yeah
00:44:34.180 it's absolutely
00:44:36.060 about priorities
00:44:36.760 I don't think
00:44:37.200 the police
00:44:37.600 are lazy
00:44:38.600 as such
00:44:39.300 I don't think
00:44:39.620 the average
00:44:40.040 police officer
00:44:40.600 is lazy
00:44:41.180 I think
00:44:41.960 they've been led
00:44:42.440 a pile of bullshit
00:44:43.180 about what's important
00:44:44.240 yes
00:44:44.900 I think that's
00:44:45.780 that's it
00:44:46.220 and again
00:44:46.600 this comes
00:44:47.080 we always
00:44:47.700 I always like to punch
00:44:48.600 I always like to punch up
00:44:49.540 always
00:44:50.060 the bigger
00:44:51.460 the bigger
00:44:52.040 the authority
00:44:53.080 the better
00:44:53.840 I have no interest
00:44:54.700 at all
00:44:55.160 in causing trouble
00:44:56.540 for rank and file
00:44:57.640 police officers
00:44:58.500 they've been
00:45:01.380 absolutely misled
00:45:02.200 these officers
00:45:02.680 that approached
00:45:03.220 Mr Brady
00:45:03.740 on the first occasion
00:45:04.580 they said
00:45:05.000 they were there
00:45:05.500 they were there
00:45:06.440 on the instruction
00:45:06.940 of a sergeant
00:45:07.700 the sergeant
00:45:08.760 had looked at the evidence
00:45:10.420 and sent them
00:45:11.320 when they came back again
00:45:12.820 you know
00:45:13.660 somebody somewhere
00:45:14.620 probably an inspector
00:45:15.780 maybe a chief inspector
00:45:16.540 would have been aware
00:45:17.540 of what was going on
00:45:18.460 and they
00:45:19.080 they sanctioned it
00:45:20.120 they absolutely sanctioned it
00:45:21.580 when
00:45:22.120 when
00:45:22.940 when they realised
00:45:24.160 they were live on Facebook
00:45:25.580 when they realised
00:45:27.400 that they must have been
00:45:28.060 being broadcast
00:45:28.640 to millions of people
00:45:29.680 they just doubled down
00:45:31.920 they had no common sense
00:45:33.200 there was
00:45:33.500 there was no instinct
00:45:35.040 within them
00:45:35.940 that said
00:45:36.860 hold on a minute
00:45:37.840 we weren't expecting
00:45:39.100 Lawrence Fox and Harry Miller
00:45:40.120 to come bursting out
00:45:40.780 the kitchen
00:45:41.060 with a film crew
00:45:41.700 really
00:45:43.260 this is a meme
00:45:44.040 tell you what we'll do
00:45:45.240 we'll just say
00:45:46.420 we weren't ready for this
00:45:47.980 we're going to go back
00:45:48.820 to the station
00:45:49.360 and seek advice
00:45:50.560 from a more senior officer
00:45:51.840 and then
00:45:52.660 we wouldn't be here now
00:45:53.700 because
00:45:54.200 it would have been
00:45:54.920 a tiny little story
00:45:55.860 not a massive
00:45:57.340 massive story
00:45:57.980 but I'm glad
00:45:58.560 we're here
00:45:58.980 but they haven't got
00:45:59.260 common sense
00:45:59.920 I know
00:46:00.300 but I'm glad we're here
00:46:01.380 Harry
00:46:01.680 because
00:46:02.100 I come back to the law point
00:46:03.500 I'm not sure I agree
00:46:04.360 with you man
00:46:04.780 because
00:46:05.100 if we have a police force
00:46:06.900 that is creating this
00:46:08.780 ambiguity
00:46:09.880 about what
00:46:10.880 people
00:46:11.400 ordinary citizens
00:46:12.460 are actually required to do
00:46:13.820 or what they're advised to do
00:46:15.240 or the guidance
00:46:15.880 or whatever
00:46:16.320 I don't want them to have
00:46:18.200 laws on the books
00:46:18.940 that they can misinterpret
00:46:19.940 in this way
00:46:20.380 and with all possible respect
00:46:21.840 to France's disabled mum
00:46:23.060 I'd rather you were able
00:46:24.620 to send her a hateful message
00:46:26.040 than people are getting
00:46:27.420 arrested for memes
00:46:28.260 you know
00:46:29.080 and
00:46:29.600 as far as I can tell
00:46:31.060 as long as the police
00:46:31.840 have the power
00:46:32.440 to misinterpret
00:46:33.260 these laws
00:46:33.760 in this way
00:46:34.300 and this is
00:46:35.600 this is what I said
00:46:36.400 at the time
00:46:36.880 not everybody
00:46:37.880 is going to have
00:46:38.860 Harry Miller
00:46:39.440 and Lawrence Fox
00:46:40.120 turn up
00:46:40.560 with the film crew
00:46:41.240 and get this filmed
00:46:42.140 and what would have
00:46:42.720 happened to this guy
00:46:43.660 if you weren't there
00:46:44.680 he would have been arrested
00:46:46.020 and probably prosecuted
00:46:47.560 and by the way
00:46:48.260 the media
00:46:49.000 would have called him
00:46:49.720 a hate criminal
00:46:50.260 yeah
00:46:50.780 that's
00:46:51.920 I agree
00:46:53.520 so if we're in that position
00:46:55.020 I'd rather that law
00:46:55.880 wasn't on the books
00:46:56.600 frankly
00:46:56.880 this may be overreacting
00:46:58.140 in the moment
00:46:58.680 but I'm just saying
00:46:59.840 I'm not comfortable
00:47:01.260 in a society
00:47:02.760 in which the police
00:47:03.660 have this much power
00:47:04.520 are you?
00:47:05.900 no
00:47:06.320 but again
00:47:06.760 it gets back to
00:47:07.660 what problem
00:47:08.800 was there in society
00:47:09.940 that this law
00:47:10.960 was designed
00:47:12.760 to
00:47:13.420 you know
00:47:14.320 to answer
00:47:15.760 well you said it yourself
00:47:16.680 it was designed
00:47:17.180 to answer the problem
00:47:18.120 of escalating
00:47:19.260 levels of violence
00:47:20.380 towards genocide
00:47:21.040 right?
00:47:21.860 no
00:47:22.020 the section 127
00:47:23.280 wasn't
00:47:23.960 oh it wasn't
00:47:24.620 okay
00:47:24.840 no that was
00:47:25.580 that was designed
00:47:26.300 so for instance
00:47:26.980 let's just say
00:47:28.120 we have somebody
00:47:28.720 who's sending
00:47:29.140 dick pics
00:47:29.700 through the post
00:47:30.280 yeah
00:47:30.560 week in
00:47:31.600 week out
00:47:32.080 week in
00:47:32.440 week out
00:47:32.800 I think we can all agree
00:47:34.200 that that is
00:47:34.980 grossly offensive
00:47:36.180 yes
00:47:36.520 there's no justification
00:47:37.520 it's not saying
00:47:38.920 trans women are
00:47:39.920 men
00:47:40.880 it's not that
00:47:41.400 it's in a different league
00:47:42.500 entirely
00:47:42.880 so you send
00:47:43.920 a bunch of emails
00:47:45.080 like that
00:47:45.680 then I think
00:47:46.920 section 127
00:47:47.620 is an entirely
00:47:49.240 appropriate law
00:47:50.220 to enact
00:47:52.580 in order to
00:47:53.800 stop me
00:47:55.000 sending dick pics
00:47:56.040 to you
00:47:56.960 I think that's
00:47:57.880 that's fine
00:47:58.280 because that's
00:47:59.440 the kind of problem
00:48:00.280 that the law
00:48:01.300 was seeking to solve
00:48:02.200 it was not
00:48:03.320 seeking to address
00:48:04.540 the problem
00:48:05.520 of somebody
00:48:06.380 expressing
00:48:06.980 an opinion
00:48:07.980 that somebody else
00:48:09.440 found
00:48:10.080 grossly offensive
00:48:10.940 okay so how do we
00:48:11.700 get there
00:48:12.020 how do we get them
00:48:12.880 to understand
00:48:13.500 that difference then
00:48:14.340 training
00:48:16.500 but I think
00:48:17.000 I think this
00:48:17.760 this begins
00:48:18.520 with having a
00:48:19.260 renewed respect
00:48:20.260 for the law
00:48:21.400 what we have to do
00:48:22.500 is get rid
00:48:24.080 of this
00:48:25.060 and human rights
00:48:26.120 aspects
00:48:26.680 of the police
00:48:27.940 oath
00:48:28.340 okay
00:48:29.300 because whilst
00:48:30.280 that remains
00:48:31.140 the police
00:48:31.860 will continue
00:48:32.580 to be seduced
00:48:33.740 by the loudest
00:48:35.300 voices
00:48:36.100 who are
00:48:37.080 pushing forth
00:48:38.040 an ideology
00:48:38.760 it's quite difficult
00:48:39.720 to resist
00:48:40.160 when you have
00:48:40.720 Amnesty International
00:48:41.780 for instance
00:48:42.440 saying trans women
00:48:43.560 are women
00:48:44.080 alongside Stonewall
00:48:45.400 saying trans women
00:48:46.420 are women
00:48:46.800 alongside mermaids
00:48:48.080 saying trans women
00:48:48.820 are women
00:48:49.040 alongside various
00:48:49.920 parts of government
00:48:50.720 saying it
00:48:51.200 and you've got the
00:48:51.760 flags and all the rest
00:48:52.340 of it
00:48:52.540 so the police
00:48:54.020 the police are
00:48:54.600 confused
00:48:55.140 Dixon of Dr. Green
00:48:56.280 is now confused
00:48:57.260 so we need to get rid
00:48:58.920 of that
00:48:59.200 that's one solution
00:49:00.360 and then we need to
00:49:01.440 revisit
00:49:01.960 what the relationship
00:49:03.660 is between
00:49:04.360 the police
00:49:05.440 and the public
00:49:07.120 and where do the police
00:49:08.900 get their authority
00:49:09.980 from
00:49:10.520 okay so
00:49:11.360 the police get their
00:49:12.520 authority
00:49:12.980 to restrict
00:49:14.140 your freedom
00:49:15.260 to act
00:49:16.560 in a way
00:49:17.200 which in any other
00:49:19.240 circumstance
00:49:19.680 would be unlawful
00:49:20.880 putting somebody
00:49:22.500 in handcuffs
00:49:23.100 in any other
00:49:24.020 circumstance
00:49:24.940 against their will
00:49:26.080 is unlawful
00:49:26.900 taking money off them
00:49:28.720 as a fine
00:49:29.200 would be unlawful
00:49:29.860 putting them in prison
00:49:30.520 that power
00:49:31.760 comes from
00:49:32.520 the Queen
00:49:33.120 that's why every
00:49:34.600 officer
00:49:35.080 makes an oath
00:49:36.440 to the Sovereign
00:49:37.520 because the Sovereign
00:49:38.640 is not the government
00:49:39.820 the Sovereign
00:49:40.780 is not the judicial
00:49:41.700 system
00:49:42.400 the Sovereign
00:49:43.600 is above it all
00:49:44.820 so the police
00:49:45.280 need to understand
00:49:46.180 the notion
00:49:47.920 of sovereignty
00:49:49.100 that the
00:49:50.240 taking away
00:49:51.320 and the limiting
00:49:51.780 of our freedom
00:49:52.520 can only be done
00:49:54.180 by
00:49:55.260 an officer
00:49:56.580 of the Sovereign
00:49:57.560 that's why
00:49:58.540 laws are enacted
00:49:59.720 with the permission
00:50:00.860 of the Sovereign
00:50:01.640 it's the Crown
00:50:02.820 Prosecution Service
00:50:04.280 in my case
00:50:05.320 it was the Queen
00:50:06.260 on behalf of Miller
00:50:07.380 versus the College
00:50:08.440 of Policing
00:50:08.980 sovereignty
00:50:10.000 in this country
00:50:10.940 means a lot
00:50:12.120 so we need to get back
00:50:13.700 to understanding
00:50:14.840 to understanding that
00:50:16.360 what we have at the moment
00:50:17.700 particularly with
00:50:18.180 non-crime
00:50:18.640 hate incidents
00:50:20.060 and the police
00:50:21.460 acting on behalf
00:50:22.380 of perception
00:50:23.500 if you think about it
00:50:25.580 what we have
00:50:26.060 is a removal
00:50:27.360 of the power
00:50:28.060 of the Queen
00:50:28.660 to the mob
00:50:30.700 now that
00:50:32.360 as far as I'm concerned
00:50:33.140 is a definition
00:50:33.620 of anarchy
00:50:34.040 so we have a choice
00:50:36.040 we either continue
00:50:37.460 down this route
00:50:38.480 which is
00:50:39.800 mob rule
00:50:40.660 where law
00:50:41.580 is defined
00:50:42.180 by third party
00:50:43.260 perception
00:50:43.680 or we get back
00:50:45.160 to sovereign rule
00:50:46.980 where law
00:50:48.420 is foreseeable
00:50:49.200 and the officers
00:50:50.340 of Her Majesty
00:50:51.620 the Queen
00:50:52.200 enact
00:50:54.100 the limitation
00:50:55.440 of our freedom
00:50:56.320 because they understand
00:50:57.840 the sacred nature
00:50:59.380 of that
00:51:00.280 and they understand
00:51:01.500 via clearly
00:51:02.980 defined
00:51:03.900 understanding
00:51:04.760 of what they're doing
00:51:06.260 and they say
00:51:07.360 I am arresting you
00:51:08.220 because you have breached
00:51:09.640 and then they quote
00:51:10.720 the law
00:51:11.120 and they know
00:51:11.980 what the law means
00:51:12.800 and they understand
00:51:13.740 that this is
00:51:14.220 a serious thing
00:51:15.220 it's not based
00:51:16.480 on Mrs Miggins
00:51:17.720 down the road
00:51:18.260 saying
00:51:18.580 what you said
00:51:19.360 made me feel anxious
00:51:20.240 do you not think
00:51:20.800 that this section
00:51:21.640 127
00:51:22.300 is not sufficiently
00:51:23.900 specific
00:51:24.980 for the context
00:51:26.060 in which we're now living
00:51:26.940 should it not say
00:51:27.680 something like
00:51:28.300 okay
00:51:28.940 let's say
00:51:29.940 you know
00:51:30.480 it's about
00:51:31.360 targeted
00:51:32.300 grossly offensive
00:51:33.500 material
00:51:34.100 sent directly
00:51:34.960 to someone
00:51:35.480 with the express purpose
00:51:36.580 of causing
00:51:37.740 great distress
00:51:39.260 as opposed to
00:51:40.340 this vague thing
00:51:41.160 that can be misused
00:51:42.020 and it's not the first time
00:51:43.240 Harry
00:51:43.500 no
00:51:43.940 it's not the first time
00:51:45.020 this continues
00:51:46.200 to be misused
00:51:47.000 in this way
00:51:47.540 it seems to me
00:51:48.680 like
00:51:48.900 it may have been
00:51:49.960 a well written law
00:51:50.840 at the time
00:51:51.240 that it was written
00:51:51.800 but I do think
00:51:53.060 it's a badly written
00:51:53.900 written law
00:51:54.740 for the moment
00:51:55.580 and I'm talking
00:51:56.120 out of my arse
00:51:56.640 because I'm not a lawyer
00:51:57.300 I'm just saying
00:51:57.960 this is what it sounds
00:51:59.240 like to me
00:51:59.800 I think one of the
00:52:01.080 consequences
00:52:01.640 which one of the
00:52:02.500 unforeseen
00:52:03.200 consequences
00:52:04.120 of winning
00:52:05.380 against homicide
00:52:06.220 and winning
00:52:06.760 against the College
00:52:07.340 of Policing
00:52:07.740 and placing a question
00:52:08.960 mark over
00:52:09.720 these ridiculous
00:52:10.740 non-crime hate
00:52:11.520 incidents
00:52:11.960 which are recorded
00:52:13.060 absent of
00:52:15.160 any form of
00:52:16.100 common sense
00:52:16.940 entirely on
00:52:17.620 third party
00:52:18.140 perception
00:52:18.580 is that the police
00:52:20.640 I think
00:52:21.040 are now using
00:52:21.640 section 127
00:52:22.300 in place of that
00:52:23.920 so that they
00:52:25.220 they are escalating
00:52:26.380 it directly
00:52:27.720 to a crime
00:52:29.600 because they're now
00:52:30.800 nervous about
00:52:31.580 non-crime
00:52:32.120 hate incidents
00:52:32.740 so I know
00:52:33.860 let's lower the bar
00:52:34.860 of section 127
00:52:35.600 and let's start
00:52:37.320 doing people for that
00:52:38.060 we have a police officer
00:52:38.980 from Leicestershire
00:52:40.260 called PC Watson
00:52:41.060 who all
00:52:42.160 this last week
00:52:43.120 has been bragging
00:52:43.840 about
00:52:44.640 all my ruling
00:52:46.380 did was make
00:52:47.020 matters worse
00:52:47.640 and that the police
00:52:48.480 will now use
00:52:49.000 section 127
00:52:49.580 to criminalise
00:52:51.340 those of us
00:52:51.920 who otherwise
00:52:52.820 would have been
00:52:53.340 dealt with
00:52:53.700 as a non-crime
00:52:54.160 hate incident
00:52:54.620 so we know
00:52:55.920 we know
00:52:56.640 that this is going
00:52:57.280 on
00:52:57.560 I'm helping
00:52:58.920 a chap
00:52:59.720 who wrote
00:53:02.320 a letter
00:53:02.700 to the FA
00:53:03.480 I think last year
00:53:06.320 and he said
00:53:07.420 that
00:53:08.300 it wasn't a
00:53:09.580 particularly nice
00:53:10.120 letter
00:53:10.420 he said
00:53:11.500 that in his
00:53:12.140 opinion
00:53:12.560 taking the
00:53:14.000 knee
00:53:14.180 was a
00:53:15.000 fascist
00:53:15.980 nasty
00:53:16.420 racist
00:53:17.500 thing
00:53:17.820 to be doing
00:53:18.480 that
00:53:19.180 Gareth
00:53:20.120 Wokegate
00:53:20.840 as he
00:53:21.280 cleverly called him
00:53:22.580 was picking
00:53:23.940 his team
00:53:24.380 with more
00:53:25.760 of an eye
00:53:26.020 on diversity
00:53:26.740 than on talent
00:53:28.260 and he
00:53:29.960 ended
00:53:30.480 the letter
00:53:32.140 with the single
00:53:33.020 word vermin
00:53:33.640 not nice
00:53:34.760 it's not the kind
00:53:35.240 of letter
00:53:35.540 that I would
00:53:36.320 write
00:53:36.540 it's not the
00:53:36.880 kind of letter
00:53:37.280 that I would
00:53:37.680 want my mum
00:53:38.080 to read
00:53:38.520 it's a nasty
00:53:39.480 letter
00:53:39.820 no two ways
00:53:40.300 about it
00:53:40.800 probably a fan
00:53:41.420 of Jack
00:53:41.740 Grealish
00:53:42.100 as well
00:53:42.460 yeah exactly
00:53:43.020 exactly
00:53:43.440 yeah yeah
00:53:45.200 exactly
00:53:45.840 okay
00:53:46.560 the police
00:53:47.400 prosecuting
00:53:47.920 under section
00:53:48.460 127
00:53:48.780 on the basis
00:53:50.660 that Gareth
00:53:51.140 Southgate
00:53:51.820 has put in
00:53:52.960 a complaint
00:53:53.460 that it's
00:53:53.940 caused him
00:53:54.200 anxiety
00:53:54.580 so he is
00:53:56.720 being prosecuted
00:53:57.500 he was served
00:53:57.960 papers
00:53:58.420 this week
00:53:59.320 this is what
00:53:59.820 I'm saying
00:54:00.260 man
00:54:00.480 it's like
00:54:00.800 this law
00:54:01.320 if the law
00:54:03.220 allows for this
00:54:04.140 to happen
00:54:04.620 it's not
00:54:05.400 well calibrated
00:54:06.660 to the situation
00:54:07.360 I agree
00:54:08.000 I agree
00:54:08.660 but I think
00:54:09.320 I think
00:54:09.940 I think
00:54:10.820 the first point
00:54:11.800 of call
00:54:12.120 is to recalibrate
00:54:12.940 the police
00:54:13.780 and get them
00:54:14.660 to understand
00:54:15.440 what is the
00:54:17.100 appropriateness
00:54:17.980 of the law
00:54:18.840 if that doesn't
00:54:19.740 work and they're
00:54:20.280 still confused
00:54:20.960 then we need
00:54:22.000 to revisit
00:54:22.420 the law
00:54:22.840 so you'll be
00:54:23.300 here in a year
00:54:24.780 agreeing with me
00:54:25.500 okay
00:54:25.900 yeah
00:54:26.180 but that's got
00:54:29.820 to be wrong
00:54:30.140 hasn't it
00:54:30.460 it's got to be
00:54:30.940 wrong
00:54:31.180 I mean
00:54:31.440 that has to be
00:54:32.340 wrong
00:54:32.520 what I'm
00:54:34.040 saying though
00:54:34.540 the reason
00:54:35.580 I'm so angry
00:54:36.320 about it
00:54:36.860 is I don't
00:54:37.960 think people
00:54:38.540 understand
00:54:39.240 how fucking
00:54:40.320 ridiculous
00:54:40.900 this is
00:54:41.620 I agree
00:54:42.800 I don't think
00:54:43.540 people get it
00:54:44.200 and if it
00:54:44.840 what it takes
00:54:45.480 is for us
00:54:45.880 to get rid
00:54:46.380 of the stupid
00:54:46.880 law
00:54:47.220 and to have
00:54:48.040 something
00:54:48.380 resembling a
00:54:49.020 first amendment
00:54:49.560 I appreciate
00:54:50.160 politically
00:54:50.640 that's not
00:54:51.040 the easiest
00:54:51.460 task
00:54:51.840 but that's
00:54:52.700 if that's
00:54:53.400 what it
00:54:53.720 takes
00:54:54.020 because see
00:54:54.720 this is the
00:54:55.240 problem
00:54:55.480 this is my
00:54:55.960 issue
00:54:56.200 with your
00:54:56.780 approach
00:54:57.220 Harry
00:54:57.500 is the
00:54:58.200 police
00:54:58.540 are always
00:54:59.100 going to
00:54:59.400 want to
00:54:59.680 enforce
00:55:00.000 whatever
00:55:00.280 ideology
00:55:00.820 they have
00:55:01.440 right
00:55:01.960 and they're
00:55:02.480 going to
00:55:02.620 use as
00:55:02.880 much power
00:55:03.360 as they
00:55:03.620 can get
00:55:03.920 away
00:55:04.140 with
00:55:04.340 and the
00:55:04.600 only way
00:55:04.900 to deal
00:55:05.220 with it
00:55:05.460 is to
00:55:05.700 take the
00:55:06.080 power away
00:55:06.600 from them
00:55:07.020 well you know
00:55:08.740 I never ever
00:55:09.520 thought that I
00:55:10.060 would be one of
00:55:10.500 the sort of
00:55:10.960 defund the police
00:55:11.600 mob
00:55:11.900 no we need
00:55:14.580 the police
00:55:15.100 we do but not
00:55:15.720 in its current
00:55:16.180 form
00:55:16.380 we do not
00:55:17.280 need the police
00:55:17.940 in its current
00:55:18.880 form
00:55:19.220 so what needs
00:55:20.120 to happen
00:55:20.540 is this
00:55:21.100 we need to
00:55:22.020 close down
00:55:22.840 the college
00:55:23.300 of policing
00:55:23.840 immediately
00:55:24.780 because it
00:55:25.880 is a hate
00:55:27.480 factory
00:55:27.960 sponsored by
00:55:28.880 public money
00:55:30.400 it burns
00:55:31.180 through 71
00:55:31.860 million pounds
00:55:32.720 of public
00:55:33.520 money
00:55:33.840 to tell us
00:55:35.080 that all
00:55:36.060 police officers
00:55:36.580 must be
00:55:36.900 graduates
00:55:37.360 and to
00:55:38.560 see hate
00:55:39.100 everywhere
00:55:39.560 honestly
00:55:40.320 honestly
00:55:41.000 you know
00:55:42.040 the religious
00:55:42.720 fanatics
00:55:43.220 who see
00:55:43.960 Jesus
00:55:44.380 in a slice
00:55:44.880 of toast
00:55:45.300 well this is
00:55:46.600 exactly the same
00:55:47.220 thing
00:55:47.480 the college
00:55:47.820 of policing
00:55:48.160 and teaching
00:55:48.500 officers
00:55:48.840 to see
00:55:49.680 hate
00:55:50.100 everywhere
00:55:50.980 now then
00:55:51.780 Mr. Brady
00:55:53.420 our war
00:55:54.820 veteran
00:55:55.180 the police
00:55:57.600 said
00:55:57.880 they used
00:55:58.800 the phrase
00:55:59.080 this was
00:55:59.500 three strikes
00:56:00.280 on your
00:56:00.520 out
00:56:00.720 he'd
00:56:00.960 clocked
00:56:01.240 up
00:56:01.420 two
00:56:01.920 previous
00:56:02.320 non-crime
00:56:02.720 hate
00:56:02.940 incidents
00:56:03.280 this was
00:56:03.920 his third
00:56:04.280 one
00:56:04.580 and so
00:56:05.120 boom
00:56:05.520 that was
00:56:05.940 it
00:56:06.140 now
00:56:06.720 the first
00:56:07.680 hate
00:56:08.840 incident
00:56:09.260 was
00:56:09.920 you know
00:56:10.280 the meme
00:56:10.720 of Hitler
00:56:11.080 in his
00:56:11.360 bunker
00:56:11.600 that's
00:56:11.820 been going
00:56:12.160 around
00:56:12.460 since
00:56:12.660 about
00:56:12.880 2006
00:56:13.580 oh yeah
00:56:14.380 from
00:56:14.880 downfall
00:56:15.420 so that
00:56:17.560 was
00:56:17.720 classed
00:56:18.040 as a
00:56:18.240 racist
00:56:18.520 hate
00:56:18.800 incident
00:56:19.120 so that
00:56:19.880 was
00:56:20.020 strike
00:56:20.340 one
00:56:20.720 okie dokie
00:56:21.740 strike
00:56:22.820 two
00:56:23.400 was
00:56:24.600 it was
00:56:25.160 a picture
00:56:25.580 of
00:56:26.080 Tom
00:56:26.680 Daley
00:56:26.920 doing
00:56:27.180 some
00:56:27.420 knitting
00:56:27.640 and he
00:56:28.800 put
00:56:29.120 Tom
00:56:29.880 Daley's
00:56:30.280 knitting
00:56:31.500 a
00:56:31.720 cock
00:56:31.920 warmer
00:56:32.180 now if
00:56:33.300 you look
00:56:33.600 at the
00:56:33.840 picture
00:56:34.200 it
00:56:35.740 cannot
00:56:35.980 be
00:56:36.200 anything
00:56:36.440 but
00:56:36.700 a
00:56:36.840 cock
00:56:37.060 warmer
00:56:37.360 it
00:56:38.200 is
00:56:38.400 a
00:56:38.620 knitted
00:56:38.900 ball
00:56:39.300 sack
00:56:39.640 and
00:56:39.880 penis
00:56:40.400 that's
00:56:41.280 what
00:56:41.460 it
00:56:41.620 is
00:56:41.880 it
00:56:42.320 cannot
00:56:42.660 be
00:56:43.120 reasonably
00:56:43.940 construed
00:56:44.580 as
00:56:45.000 anything
00:56:45.540 else
00:56:46.120 Tom
00:56:46.960 Daley's
00:56:47.340 holding
00:56:47.700 it
00:56:47.900 like
00:56:48.100 this
00:56:48.300 with
00:56:48.420 a
00:56:48.520 smile
00:56:48.740 on
00:56:48.880 his
00:56:48.980 face
00:56:49.280 he
00:56:49.880 knows
00:56:50.360 it
00:56:50.520 looks
00:56:50.740 like
00:56:50.940 a
00:56:51.080 cock
00:56:51.260 warmer
00:56:51.640 that's
00:56:52.420 why
00:56:52.700 he
00:56:52.880 put
00:56:53.240 it
00:56:53.400 there
00:56:53.760 but
00:56:54.280 the
00:56:54.440 police
00:56:54.760 have
00:56:54.900 decided
00:56:55.340 that
00:56:56.020 this
00:56:56.220 was
00:56:56.460 homophobic
00:56:57.300 hate
00:56:57.740 and recorded
00:56:58.980 it
00:56:59.260 against
00:56:59.620 Mr.
00:56:59.980 Brady
00:57:00.260 as a
00:57:01.180 non-crime
00:57:02.460 hate
00:57:02.980 incident
00:57:03.460 homophobia
00:57:04.340 that's
00:57:05.480 that's
00:57:06.200 the state
00:57:06.920 that we
00:57:07.640 are
00:57:08.160 in
00:57:08.640 but
00:57:09.360 Harry
00:57:09.760 isn't
00:57:10.300 also
00:57:10.720 the problem
00:57:11.260 as well
00:57:11.680 that the
00:57:12.060 police
00:57:12.340 are merely
00:57:12.960 reflecting
00:57:13.660 the culture
00:57:14.500 as a
00:57:14.880 whole
00:57:15.160 the
00:57:15.900 universities
00:57:16.660 no
00:57:17.200 let's
00:57:18.160 define
00:57:18.480 culture
00:57:18.900 they are
00:57:19.620 reflecting
00:57:20.480 a
00:57:21.400 powerful
00:57:22.400 minority
00:57:23.620 yes
00:57:23.980 that's what
00:57:24.800 they're doing
00:57:25.700 culture
00:57:26.420 the elite
00:57:27.040 culture
00:57:28.360 which
00:57:28.720 then
00:57:30.800 trickles
00:57:31.320 down
00:57:31.540 in
00:57:31.700 society
00:57:32.260 the
00:57:32.840 rest
00:57:33.920 of us
00:57:34.240 we are
00:57:34.580 the
00:57:35.600 proles
00:57:36.080 that's
00:57:36.700 what
00:57:36.860 we are
00:57:37.460 we are
00:57:38.320 those who
00:57:38.880 have not
00:57:39.160 signed up
00:57:39.800 to the
00:57:40.840 politburo
00:57:41.440 who are not
00:57:41.900 part of
00:57:42.400 the
00:57:42.540 Stalinist
00:57:43.160 Maoist
00:57:43.920 elite
00:57:44.580 and you
00:57:45.900 know how
00:57:46.280 it was
00:57:46.540 in
00:57:46.920 Maoist
00:57:47.660 China
00:57:48.020 you know
00:57:48.960 you could
00:57:49.280 say
00:57:49.840 oh
00:57:50.920 you know
00:57:51.180 I've only
00:57:51.520 got one
00:57:51.880 chicky
00:57:52.080 my neighbour's
00:57:52.580 got three
00:57:53.020 he's a
00:57:53.540 capitalist
00:57:53.840 and they
00:57:54.300 come down
00:57:54.740 and have
00:57:55.280 him shot
00:57:55.700 we're in
00:57:56.920 that sort
00:57:57.760 of situation
00:57:58.700 where neighbour
00:57:59.600 can grass
00:58:00.260 upon neighbour
00:58:01.000 where children
00:58:02.060 are being
00:58:02.960 encouraged
00:58:03.920 to grass
00:58:04.400 upon their
00:58:04.780 parents
00:58:05.240 where children
00:58:06.160 are being
00:58:06.580 encouraged
00:58:06.920 to grass
00:58:07.280 upon other
00:58:07.920 children
00:58:08.360 in
00:58:09.580 where was
00:58:10.760 it
00:58:11.040 I think
00:58:13.160 it was
00:58:13.360 Warwickshire
00:58:14.740 a few weeks
00:58:15.340 ago
00:58:15.620 I might
00:58:16.020 be wrong
00:58:16.200 about that
00:58:17.460 a police
00:58:20.260 force
00:58:20.860 turned up
00:58:21.700 at the
00:58:22.460 door
00:58:22.780 of a
00:58:23.600 14
00:58:24.260 year
00:58:24.500 old
00:58:24.860 autistic
00:58:25.800 child
00:58:26.420 okay
00:58:27.980 said
00:58:29.260 that
00:58:29.600 he was
00:58:30.260 guilty
00:58:30.580 of a
00:58:31.220 section
00:58:31.660 section
00:58:32.480 4
00:58:32.840 public
00:58:33.140 order
00:58:33.360 offence
00:58:33.760 which
00:58:34.060 with a
00:58:34.780 repeat
00:58:35.200 would
00:58:35.580 end
00:58:36.100 in
00:58:36.260 two
00:58:36.520 years
00:58:36.760 in
00:58:36.940 jail
00:58:37.220 what
00:58:38.480 he had
00:58:38.840 done
00:58:39.140 was
00:58:39.500 in
00:58:39.760 the
00:58:39.920 playground
00:58:40.320 he
00:58:41.300 looked
00:58:41.600 at
00:58:41.840 a
00:58:42.140 girl
00:58:42.540 who
00:58:43.020 was
00:58:43.220 a
00:58:43.380 girl
00:58:43.680 but
00:58:44.860 who
00:58:45.020 dressed
00:58:45.340 like
00:58:45.900 a
00:58:46.020 girl
00:58:46.260 who
00:58:47.620 dressed
00:58:49.200 like
00:58:49.400 a
00:58:49.520 girl
00:58:49.700 had
00:58:49.900 long
00:58:50.100 hair
00:58:50.280 like
00:58:50.480 a
00:58:50.620 girl
00:58:50.860 etc
00:58:51.840 but
00:58:52.400 who
00:58:52.560 said
00:58:52.860 she
00:58:53.160 was
00:58:53.320 a
00:58:53.440 boy
00:58:53.640 and
00:58:54.460 he
00:58:54.600 refused
00:58:54.880 to
00:58:55.000 believe
00:58:55.200 her
00:58:55.380 he
00:58:56.120 said
00:58:56.240 no
00:58:56.360 you're
00:58:56.500 a
00:58:56.600 girl
00:58:56.780 so
00:58:57.780 the
00:58:58.040 school
00:58:58.720 told
00:59:00.620 the
00:59:01.000 police
00:59:01.460 the
00:59:02.700 police
00:59:03.220 visited
00:59:04.120 the
00:59:04.580 parents
00:59:05.080 told
00:59:06.500 it
00:59:06.680 read him
00:59:07.080 literally
00:59:07.500 the riot
00:59:08.280 act
00:59:08.720 okay
00:59:09.620 I
00:59:10.540 I
00:59:10.560 have
00:59:10.780 on
00:59:11.000 tape
00:59:11.480 the
00:59:12.500 subsequent
00:59:12.880 interview
00:59:13.440 between
00:59:13.800 the
00:59:13.980 boy's
00:59:14.240 parent
00:59:14.660 the
00:59:15.340 child
00:59:16.020 and
00:59:16.840 the
00:59:17.020 school
00:59:17.520 we
00:59:18.780 have
00:59:18.880 it
00:59:18.960 all
00:59:19.060 on
00:59:19.200 tape
00:59:19.460 and
00:59:20.260 they
00:59:20.400 say
00:59:20.700 to
00:59:20.880 him
00:59:21.100 where
00:59:21.740 are
00:59:22.040 you
00:59:22.240 getting
00:59:22.560 radicalized
00:59:23.380 where
00:59:24.220 how do
00:59:24.840 we
00:59:24.960 stop
00:59:25.320 you
00:59:25.500 getting
00:59:25.840 radicalized
00:59:26.820 because
00:59:27.040 if
00:59:27.240 you
00:59:27.380 continue
00:59:28.000 if
00:59:28.800 you
00:59:28.940 continue
00:59:29.380 in
00:59:29.700 this
00:59:29.860 vein
00:59:30.120 and
00:59:30.560 do
00:59:30.760 not
00:59:31.000 learn
00:59:31.480 how
00:59:31.940 wrong
00:59:32.320 your
00:59:32.580 behavior
00:59:33.020 is
00:59:33.500 one
00:59:34.360 you
00:59:35.060 would
00:59:35.220 be
00:59:35.380 fired
00:59:35.680 from
00:59:35.900 a
00:59:36.040 job
00:59:36.300 and
00:59:37.020 if
00:59:37.160 you
00:59:37.280 would
00:59:37.420 say
00:59:37.720 that
00:59:37.960 in
00:59:38.160 a
00:59:38.320 pub
00:59:38.580 you
00:59:39.360 would
00:59:39.520 probably
00:59:39.880 be
00:59:40.100 glassed
00:59:40.720 what
00:59:41.740 you
00:59:42.620 heard
00:59:42.800 me
00:59:42.920 right
00:59:43.240 you
00:59:43.780 would
00:59:43.940 probably
00:59:44.380 be
00:59:44.880 glassed
00:59:45.520 they
00:59:45.700 said
00:59:45.940 that
00:59:46.140 to
00:59:46.320 a
00:59:46.480 14
00:59:46.900 year
00:59:47.080 old
00:59:47.300 autistic
00:59:47.760 boy
00:59:48.300 yes
00:59:48.700 and
00:59:49.180 his
00:59:49.360 parents
00:59:49.760 this
00:59:50.280 was
00:59:50.420 the
00:59:50.580 head
00:59:50.720 of
00:59:50.840 year
00:59:51.000 10
00:59:51.280 and
00:59:51.560 the
00:59:51.680 head
00:59:51.800 teacher
00:59:52.160 who
00:59:52.940 warned
00:59:53.240 the
00:59:53.380 boy
00:59:53.600 that
00:59:53.820 unless
00:59:54.120 they
00:59:54.400 could
00:59:54.580 break
00:59:54.960 the
00:59:55.380 cycle
00:59:55.700 of
00:59:55.880 radicalism
00:59:56.560 that
00:59:57.720 he
00:59:57.920 would
00:59:58.100 be
00:59:58.380 sacked
00:59:58.900 and
00:59:59.580 he
00:59:59.700 would
00:59:59.860 be
01:00:00.000 glassed
01:00:00.360 in
01:00:00.440 the
01:00:00.560 face
01:00:00.900 and
01:00:01.300 this
01:00:01.440 was
01:00:01.580 supported
01:00:01.900 by
01:00:02.100 the
01:00:02.300 police
01:00:02.680 who
01:00:03.140 told
01:00:03.540 him
01:00:03.880 came
01:00:04.320 to
01:00:04.460 his
01:00:04.620 house
01:00:04.920 and
01:00:05.340 said
01:00:05.600 anymore
01:00:06.260 he
01:00:06.900 could
01:00:07.020 be
01:00:07.120 looking
01:00:07.320 at
01:00:07.460 a
01:00:07.540 two
01:00:07.660 year
01:00:07.800 jail
01:00:08.000 sentence
01:00:08.400 now
01:00:08.880 you
01:00:09.200 tell
01:00:09.620 me
01:00:10.060 that
01:00:11.120 that's
01:00:11.300 not
01:00:11.440 fascism
01:00:12.100 well
01:00:12.420 that is
01:00:12.760 fascism
01:00:13.100 and
01:00:13.400 that's
01:00:13.620 what
01:00:13.740 I'm
01:00:13.880 saying
01:00:14.120 I'm
01:00:14.760 more
01:00:14.940 optimistic
01:00:15.360 on the
01:00:15.740 trans
01:00:16.000 thing
01:00:16.160 Harry
01:00:16.400 because
01:00:16.680 we've
01:00:17.080 seen
01:00:17.240 some
01:00:17.480 good
01:00:17.900 wins
01:00:18.220 in
01:00:18.380 the
01:00:18.480 last
01:00:18.680 few
01:00:18.880 weeks
01:00:19.140 on
01:00:19.320 that
01:00:19.520 and
01:00:19.660 I
01:00:19.800 think
01:00:20.060 when
01:00:21.020 people
01:00:21.320 see
01:00:21.620 the
01:00:21.860 outcome
01:00:22.200 of
01:00:22.420 these
01:00:31.440 this
01:00:31.660 law
01:00:32.000 stuff
01:00:32.440 if
01:00:32.920 this
01:00:33.440 is
01:00:33.560 what
01:00:33.720 the
01:00:33.860 police
01:00:34.140 are
01:00:34.300 routinely
01:00:34.640 going
01:00:35.000 around
01:00:35.300 and
01:00:35.500 doing
01:00:35.720 I'm
01:00:35.920 afraid
01:00:36.100 I'm
01:00:36.340 not
01:00:36.500 persuaded
01:00:36.940 that
01:00:37.300 the
01:00:37.840 right
01:00:38.100 training
01:00:38.480 course
01:00:38.920 is
01:00:39.580 going
01:00:39.740 to
01:00:39.820 do
01:00:39.920 that
01:00:40.060 these
01:00:40.480 people
01:00:40.780 cannot
01:00:41.120 be
01:00:41.360 allowed
01:00:41.640 to
01:00:41.800 have
01:00:41.920 this
01:00:42.040 much
01:00:42.220 power
01:00:42.540 well
01:00:43.420 okay
01:00:44.240 back in
01:00:44.780 the day
01:00:45.420 prior to
01:00:46.080 prior to
01:00:46.660 the 1980s
01:00:48.180 1990s
01:00:48.800 okay the
01:00:49.360 police had
01:00:49.940 their problems
01:00:50.620 no two ways
01:00:51.360 about it
01:00:51.800 yes
01:00:52.080 but they
01:00:52.720 didn't
01:00:53.280 they didn't
01:00:53.900 spend their
01:00:54.300 time doing
01:00:54.720 this nonsense
01:00:55.300 they spent
01:00:56.260 their time
01:00:56.900 chasing down
01:00:57.780 burglars
01:00:58.360 preventing
01:01:01.440 all the rest
01:01:02.180 of it
01:01:02.520 now what's
01:01:03.280 got wrong
01:01:03.720 I don't
01:01:04.520 think the
01:01:04.920 police have
01:01:05.340 suddenly become
01:01:05.840 utterly stupid
01:01:06.720 but if they
01:01:08.680 have it's a
01:01:10.080 product of
01:01:10.700 design because
01:01:11.980 what the
01:01:12.740 college of
01:01:13.120 policing and
01:01:13.720 police want
01:01:14.220 is automatons
01:01:15.560 not not
01:01:17.120 regular people
01:01:18.420 they want an
01:01:19.280 elite police
01:01:20.980 force that
01:01:22.060 represents which
01:01:23.080 is more like
01:01:23.540 the stars
01:01:23.960 these are
01:01:24.880 thought these
01:01:25.840 are first and
01:01:26.420 foremost thought
01:01:27.260 police ideological
01:01:28.300 policing regular
01:01:29.700 regular policing
01:01:31.140 comes second
01:01:32.340 which is why
01:01:33.200 they want
01:01:33.540 graduates who
01:01:34.580 have been
01:01:34.940 exposed to this
01:01:35.640 ideology who
01:01:36.380 understand it
01:01:37.260 who know how
01:01:38.620 to do tick
01:01:39.080 box policing
01:01:39.700 same as they
01:01:40.480 got their
01:01:40.800 degree by
01:01:41.280 tick box
01:01:42.400 essay writing
01:01:43.440 etc without
01:01:44.400 any form of
01:01:45.300 critical theory
01:01:46.260 well that's
01:01:47.420 critical bone
01:01:48.080 in their body
01:01:49.020 just automaton
01:01:51.000 the algorithm
01:01:51.840 says therefore
01:01:53.440 go and do
01:01:54.160 this
01:01:54.480 this is law
01:01:56.040 by algorithm
01:01:56.800 and it
01:01:57.960 is absolutely
01:01:59.520 terrifying
01:02:00.800 so I
01:02:01.900 don't know
01:02:02.380 you know
01:02:02.580 when you're
01:02:02.860 trying to
01:02:03.420 find a
01:02:04.240 single cause
01:02:05.060 it's very
01:02:05.460 hard
01:02:05.700 it's very
01:02:07.000 hard to
01:02:07.240 find it
01:02:07.440 but what
01:02:08.040 I do know
01:02:08.480 is the
01:02:09.040 college of
01:02:09.380 policing is
01:02:09.940 one thing
01:02:10.320 it needs
01:02:10.800 shutting down
01:02:11.500 the oath
01:02:12.720 of attestation
01:02:13.420 needs returning
01:02:14.360 back to as
01:02:15.340 it was
01:02:15.720 and police
01:02:16.680 need to
01:02:17.260 understand
01:02:17.820 they have
01:02:18.500 no part
01:02:19.680 in politics
01:02:20.420 whatsoever
01:02:21.280 absolutely
01:02:22.260 none
01:02:23.200 if it looks
01:02:24.320 political
01:02:24.820 it is
01:02:25.480 political
01:02:25.900 and that's
01:02:26.680 it
01:02:26.820 you just
01:02:27.380 back away
01:02:28.060 you do
01:02:28.700 not put
01:02:29.080 a pride
01:02:29.460 flag on
01:02:30.060 you don't
01:02:30.580 I'm even
01:02:31.120 now against
01:02:31.840 the thin
01:02:32.420 blue line
01:02:32.960 badges
01:02:33.600 that police
01:02:34.320 officers
01:02:34.760 wear
01:02:35.320 I'm not
01:02:36.040 even persuaded
01:02:36.800 that the
01:02:37.640 police should
01:02:38.200 be wearing
01:02:38.520 poppies
01:02:39.000 I never
01:02:41.200 thought I
01:02:41.540 would say
01:02:41.900 that
01:02:42.200 but if
01:02:42.680 that's
01:02:42.920 the price
01:02:43.340 that we
01:02:43.600 have to
01:02:43.940 pay
01:02:44.220 to get
01:02:44.900 back
01:02:45.440 to policing
01:02:46.900 that is
01:02:47.920 totally
01:02:48.620 politics free
01:02:49.380 then I
01:02:50.200 think it's
01:02:50.560 a price
01:02:51.020 worth paying
01:02:52.200 myself
01:02:52.800 see I'm
01:02:53.980 with you
01:02:54.280 on that
01:02:54.580 actually
01:02:54.940 I believe
01:02:55.560 that they
01:02:56.000 shouldn't
01:02:56.300 we shouldn't
01:02:56.700 politicize
01:02:57.360 any
01:02:58.040 institution
01:02:59.280 teaching
01:03:00.320 the NHS
01:03:01.080 policing
01:03:02.180 because once
01:03:03.040 you politicize
01:03:03.740 something Harry
01:03:04.320 you're encouraging
01:03:05.180 people to pick
01:03:05.920 a side
01:03:06.320 and once you
01:03:07.040 encourage people
01:03:07.580 to pick a
01:03:08.040 side
01:03:08.260 they're going
01:03:08.800 to look at
01:03:09.100 the other
01:03:09.360 side as
01:03:09.980 the enemy
01:03:10.700 allies and
01:03:12.480 enemies
01:03:12.760 and that's
01:03:13.440 very dangerous
01:03:14.100 because the
01:03:15.020 police should
01:03:15.760 be apolitical
01:03:16.920 it shouldn't
01:03:17.580 matter if it's
01:03:18.560 a conservative
01:03:19.100 breaking a law
01:03:19.980 a liberal
01:03:20.500 whatever it
01:03:21.680 may be
01:03:22.120 if someone
01:03:23.500 breaks the law
01:03:24.120 they break
01:03:24.600 the law
01:03:24.940 that's it
01:03:25.780 their politics
01:03:26.680 their view
01:03:27.600 their ideology
01:03:28.360 is irrelevant
01:03:29.140 it's difficult
01:03:30.200 isn't it
01:03:30.480 when only one
01:03:31.780 side of the
01:03:32.260 argument
01:03:32.660 is licensed
01:03:33.720 to carry
01:03:34.080 pepper spray
01:03:35.360 and a taser
01:03:36.260 and that's
01:03:36.980 the situation
01:03:37.720 that we're in
01:03:38.580 and the other
01:03:39.120 thing that we
01:03:39.520 need
01:03:39.740 we need
01:03:40.220 a policing
01:03:40.800 Brexit
01:03:41.180 that's what
01:03:41.940 we need
01:03:42.260 we need
01:03:42.920 to get
01:03:43.440 out of
01:03:44.440 the
01:03:44.820 continued
01:03:46.380 influence
01:03:47.380 of Europe
01:03:48.620 because the
01:03:49.560 national
01:03:49.900 LGBT
01:03:50.400 national
01:03:51.680 LGBT
01:03:52.500 police
01:03:53.200 network
01:03:53.740 now that
01:03:54.880 is a
01:03:55.200 network
01:03:55.640 of
01:03:56.120 officers
01:03:56.760 they all
01:03:57.460 have
01:03:57.700 each force
01:03:58.360 has its
01:03:59.020 own network
01:03:59.720 and they're
01:04:00.100 part of a
01:04:00.540 national network
01:04:01.360 and the
01:04:01.920 national network
01:04:02.700 sits on a
01:04:03.480 European network
01:04:04.400 which has
01:04:05.000 adopted the
01:04:05.800 entirety of
01:04:06.580 the policy
01:04:06.940 of Rainbow
01:04:07.320 Europe
01:04:07.700 which includes
01:04:09.020 the criminalizing
01:04:10.200 of hate speech
01:04:12.400 around a
01:04:13.280 private table
01:04:14.320 which includes
01:04:15.540 the criminalizing
01:04:16.680 of any form
01:04:18.120 of dissent
01:04:18.660 within schools
01:04:19.700 so we need
01:04:21.300 to have
01:04:21.660 a full
01:04:22.320 police
01:04:23.120 Brexit
01:04:23.720 no more
01:04:24.980 colluding
01:04:25.340 with Europe
01:04:25.900 none
01:04:26.520 the second
01:04:27.120 thing we need
01:04:27.560 to do
01:04:27.920 is have
01:04:28.580 the national
01:04:28.960 LGBT
01:04:29.360 network
01:04:30.100 shut down
01:04:30.980 because
01:04:31.960 at the
01:04:32.620 moment
01:04:32.840 I wrote
01:04:33.300 to every
01:04:33.840 single
01:04:34.120 chief
01:04:34.320 constable
01:04:34.680 and said
01:04:35.000 who are
01:04:35.840 your members
01:04:36.400 and they
01:04:37.080 said we've
01:04:37.460 no idea
01:04:37.940 but if we
01:04:39.100 did know
01:04:39.680 we couldn't
01:04:40.160 tell you
01:04:40.420 because of
01:04:40.760 GDPR
01:04:41.260 concerns
01:04:41.740 but what
01:04:42.480 about an
01:04:42.780 FOI
01:04:43.160 request
01:04:43.600 that's
01:04:44.100 your obligation
01:04:45.060 legally
01:04:45.440 isn't it
01:04:45.780 no
01:04:45.960 they say
01:04:46.380 we don't
01:04:46.720 hold the
01:04:47.980 information
01:04:48.360 and we're
01:04:49.040 not going
01:04:49.240 to tell
01:04:49.400 you because
01:04:49.620 of GDPR
01:04:50.220 so we
01:04:52.020 have we
01:04:52.560 have the
01:04:52.920 national LGBT
01:04:53.560 police network
01:04:54.400 issuing memes
01:04:56.040 that say
01:04:57.200 we stand
01:04:58.700 for Stonewall
01:04:59.560 not with
01:05:01.340 stand for
01:05:02.260 Stonewall
01:05:02.900 and then there
01:05:03.820 was this
01:05:04.060 absolutely
01:05:04.460 amazing one
01:05:05.160 that said
01:05:05.560 they were
01:05:08.140 celebrating the
01:05:09.080 inclusion of
01:05:09.660 trans women
01:05:10.160 in sport
01:05:11.140 and of course
01:05:11.580 there was a
01:05:11.860 little bit of
01:05:12.220 pushback from
01:05:12.940 feminists
01:05:13.780 and gender
01:05:14.040 critical people
01:05:14.700 and their
01:05:15.540 response was to
01:05:16.320 say we see
01:05:17.480 you we have
01:05:18.320 reported you
01:05:18.980 this from a
01:05:21.440 police account
01:05:22.460 okay we see
01:05:24.120 you we have
01:05:24.740 reported you
01:05:25.300 I wrote to
01:05:26.620 them and
01:05:27.300 said who
01:05:28.360 have you
01:05:28.700 seen what
01:05:29.760 have you
01:05:30.140 seen who
01:05:31.140 seen it and
01:05:32.180 who have you
01:05:32.580 reported it
01:05:33.160 to because
01:05:34.380 that's open
01:05:34.760 policing they
01:05:36.120 wouldn't tell
01:05:36.440 us they
01:05:37.760 wouldn't tell
01:05:38.080 us so it
01:05:38.740 just exists as
01:05:40.200 a threat
01:05:41.160 against against
01:05:43.060 people okay
01:05:44.140 we had we
01:05:44.720 had we had
01:05:45.260 one of the
01:05:45.960 chief inspectors
01:05:46.600 of diversity
01:05:47.220 and inclusion
01:05:47.760 from the
01:05:48.120 college of
01:05:48.400 policing wishing
01:05:49.640 all the
01:05:50.000 homophobes a
01:05:50.900 super uncomfortable
01:05:51.540 pride month
01:05:52.280 what's diverse
01:05:54.820 about that
01:05:55.180 what happens
01:05:55.520 if you're a
01:05:56.060 what if you're
01:05:56.660 a if you're
01:05:57.340 a traditional
01:05:57.940 christian what
01:05:59.500 if you're an
01:06:00.000 orthodox jew
01:06:01.540 what if you're a
01:06:02.660 traditional muslim
01:06:04.520 and you you have
01:06:05.740 some questions
01:06:06.540 about homosexuality
01:06:08.220 that you're not
01:06:09.660 going to celebrate
01:06:10.360 it what is the
01:06:11.740 college of policing
01:06:12.360 diversity and
01:06:13.560 inclusion officer
01:06:14.580 telling you
01:06:15.980 from a police
01:06:16.840 account that
01:06:17.820 she wishes you
01:06:18.540 a super
01:06:19.180 uncomfortable
01:06:19.760 month that's
01:06:21.720 where we're at
01:06:22.360 that's where
01:06:23.380 we're at of
01:06:23.820 course when we
01:06:24.740 resist it we're
01:06:26.660 then told that
01:06:27.220 we're the
01:06:27.480 haters
01:06:27.840 i think we have a
01:06:30.880 lot of work to
01:06:31.400 do man yeah
01:06:32.000 just by the
01:06:32.520 sound of it
01:06:33.160 we do have a
01:06:34.220 lot of work
01:06:34.640 it is it is
01:06:36.500 mind-boggling to
01:06:37.720 me that we're
01:06:38.240 having this
01:06:38.640 conversation
01:06:39.200 i i really
01:06:41.320 genuinely don't
01:06:42.380 know what it
01:06:42.980 is absolutely
01:06:43.880 it's ridiculous
01:06:44.920 it is ridiculous
01:06:46.860 that we are in
01:06:47.620 this position
01:06:48.120 um harry so i
01:06:50.020 have no doubt
01:06:50.620 that you're going
01:06:51.200 to be getting
01:06:51.580 involved in more
01:06:52.660 of these cases
01:06:53.380 uh congratulations
01:06:54.720 on winning the
01:06:56.200 last one
01:06:56.680 uh the latest
01:06:58.420 with this guy is
01:06:59.300 he's had an
01:06:59.780 apology
01:07:00.140 he's not had an
01:07:01.820 apology um all
01:07:03.140 all interest by
01:07:04.720 the police in him
01:07:05.380 has been dropped
01:07:06.320 um the the good
01:07:08.060 pcc of hampshire
01:07:10.740 came out immediately
01:07:11.540 i can't remember
01:07:11.860 say donna somebody
01:07:12.660 i can't remember
01:07:12.960 second name
01:07:13.320 she came out
01:07:14.080 immediately and
01:07:15.020 said this is
01:07:15.560 absolutely ridiculous
01:07:16.700 and they dropped
01:07:17.640 it i of course
01:07:19.000 um it was
01:07:20.220 released uh
01:07:21.560 pending further
01:07:22.440 investigation so
01:07:23.580 you know i may
01:07:25.000 still be charged
01:07:26.020 i really hope they
01:07:27.200 do charge me
01:07:28.240 because i will
01:07:29.180 have a field day
01:07:30.480 uh yeah that's
01:07:31.820 why they won't
01:07:32.360 charge i don't
01:07:32.880 think and this is
01:07:33.700 the other thing
01:07:34.260 see this is why
01:07:35.600 they didn't arrest
01:07:36.200 lawrence yeah
01:07:37.200 they're they're
01:07:38.860 targeting ordinary
01:07:39.980 people because they
01:07:41.720 know how this looks
01:07:42.680 to the general
01:07:43.180 public and they
01:07:44.240 know that if they
01:07:44.920 arrest lawrence or
01:07:45.920 someone like that
01:07:46.640 who's got a big
01:07:47.280 audience it's
01:07:48.980 going to be in
01:07:49.440 the newspapers
01:07:50.000 they're going to
01:07:50.640 get ridiculed
01:07:51.220 well exactly right
01:07:53.860 but my my question
01:07:55.280 is what happens
01:07:55.860 if if you and
01:07:56.740 lawrence aren't
01:07:57.160 there this guy's
01:07:59.040 life gets destroyed
01:07:59.900 right i agree and
01:08:01.480 so we we we got to
01:08:02.940 find a way to deal
01:08:03.620 with this we really
01:08:04.560 really do yeah no
01:08:05.540 we we we've got our
01:08:07.220 we've got our work
01:08:07.960 cut out and the
01:08:08.660 reason that we're so
01:08:09.700 so aggressive when
01:08:11.720 when we find these
01:08:12.640 things you know we're
01:08:13.440 absolutely merciless i
01:08:14.580 said i said you know
01:08:16.140 do you want an
01:08:16.620 apology i said no i
01:08:17.620 want the chief
01:08:18.040 constable said in my
01:08:18.960 fridge i didn't
01:08:20.920 mean it that is
01:08:21.620 hate speech i didn't
01:08:22.360 mean it metaphorically
01:08:23.600 not literally because
01:08:26.160 what i want to do is
01:08:27.600 what they've been
01:08:28.180 doing which is create a
01:08:30.000 chilling effect yes i
01:08:31.220 want every chief
01:08:31.900 constable in the
01:08:32.580 country to know that
01:08:33.920 harry miller of the
01:08:34.900 bad law project is
01:08:36.360 their worst nightmare
01:08:37.280 because if i find out
01:08:39.000 what's going on then
01:08:40.240 we will just unleash
01:08:41.560 hell absolute hell
01:08:42.800 because we don't care
01:08:44.160 we're not we haven't got
01:08:45.660 reputations that we're
01:08:47.160 trying to um you know
01:08:49.380 protect we don't care
01:08:50.940 we're just like bazookas
01:08:53.120 we'll just go in like and
01:08:55.040 just fuck you up man just
01:08:57.160 absolutely fuck you up if
01:08:58.980 you treat the british
01:09:00.600 public with that degree of
01:09:01.740 contempt i'm going to take
01:09:03.320 it personally because you're
01:09:04.460 not only treating the
01:09:05.320 public with contempt you are
01:09:06.920 disrespecting the queen
01:09:08.420 you're disrespecting the
01:09:10.540 source of your power and so
01:09:12.120 i'm going to resist you
01:09:13.200 with everything i've got
01:09:14.380 so you can expect more
01:09:15.840 of lawrence fox and i
01:09:17.100 bursting from the
01:09:18.520 kitchens with the film
01:09:19.480 crew and jumping out of
01:09:20.660 hedges and you know
01:09:22.180 leaping out of trees on
01:09:23.980 behalf of the great
01:09:24.740 british public
01:09:25.380 you sound like jeremy
01:09:26.500 beadle mate
01:09:27.140 absolutely i don't care
01:09:31.740 though i don't this is
01:09:33.060 the thing they don't
01:09:34.020 understand i just don't
01:09:35.560 care yeah i'll take them
01:09:36.860 all to court i'll fight
01:09:38.500 with them all because
01:09:40.160 this matters you know
01:09:41.960 just watching your
01:09:42.820 your your reaction about
01:09:45.200 all this i know that
01:09:47.180 we're on the right side
01:09:47.780 of history because you
01:09:48.900 recognize how wrong this
01:09:51.500 you recognize how wrong
01:09:52.860 this is and of course you
01:09:53.820 have a bit of background
01:09:54.840 um from from eastern
01:09:57.360 uh eastern europe so
01:09:58.800 you're sort of familiar
01:09:59.640 with how bad it can go
01:10:02.460 yeah but harry you don't
01:10:03.420 have to be from eastern
01:10:04.300 europe mate like you've
01:10:05.300 got to read a fucking
01:10:05.880 book like history is
01:10:07.540 filled with this all of
01:10:09.820 this people shutting down
01:10:12.300 the speech of others in
01:10:13.520 order to control what
01:10:14.460 they say and think yeah
01:10:15.540 you don't have to be from
01:10:16.420 eastern europe you just
01:10:17.100 have to have half a brain
01:10:18.020 yeah no i i i agree with
01:10:20.480 you i agree with you so
01:10:21.440 for me i take the
01:10:22.460 approach you know
01:10:23.320 understand the law and
01:10:25.120 then go right up to the
01:10:26.060 edge yeah good well look
01:10:27.500 you're doing good work i'm
01:10:28.640 sure we will see plenty of
01:10:30.060 you in the future uh best of
01:10:32.120 luck to you with it all
01:10:32.940 uh we're gonna ask you a
01:10:33.920 couple of questions from
01:10:35.440 our supporters uh that
01:10:37.220 only they will get to see
01:10:38.380 on locals they've already
01:10:39.460 submitted a bunch um but
01:10:41.380 in the meantime as you
01:10:42.320 know we've got one final
01:10:43.400 question for you which is
01:10:44.460 always what's the one
01:10:45.240 thing we're not talking
01:10:46.340 about that we really
01:10:47.240 should be um i i think
01:10:51.300 one thing that we should
01:10:52.140 be talking about is the um
01:10:53.840 the the the vacuum that
01:10:56.060 there is um in the home
01:10:59.160 office that the that
01:11:01.220 priti patel she knows that
01:11:03.700 all this is wrong she has
01:11:05.040 the power to do something
01:11:05.780 about it and she doesn't
01:11:07.700 do it she allows she's
01:11:09.940 subcontracted it at no pay
01:11:11.800 whatsoever to individuals
01:11:13.520 like myself individuals like
01:11:15.440 bosie parker and a whole
01:11:17.340 bunch of other activists to
01:11:18.960 do the job that government
01:11:20.760 ought to be doing there you
01:11:23.140 go priti if you're watching
01:11:24.120 sort it out yeah sorry out
01:11:25.560 love um anyway uh harry
01:11:27.600 thanks for coming back on
01:11:28.600 the show really great to see
01:11:29.720 you and thank you for
01:11:30.860 watching and listening we
01:11:32.280 will see you on locals with
01:11:33.420 a couple of bonus
01:11:34.340 questions that you've asked
01:11:35.340 for harry and also we will
01:11:36.940 see you uh next week or in
01:11:38.780 a few days with another
01:11:39.640 brilliant episode like this
01:11:40.820 one or or show all of them
01:11:42.980 go out at 7 p.m uk time and
01:11:44.720 for those of you who like
01:11:45.580 your trigonometry on the go
01:11:47.060 it's also available as a
01:11:48.660 podcast take care and see you
01:11:50.840 soon guys what's the best
01:11:54.120 way to handle the situation
01:11:55.460 if we unfortunately find
01:11:57.440 ourselves in trouble with the
01:11:58.780 police for wrong things in
01:11:59.840 this way
01:12:15.040 you
01:12:15.560 you
01:12:23.620 you