＂Assisted Dying is Monetising Death＂ — Kelsi Sheren
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Summary
On this episode of Trigonometry, host Kelsey sharon sits down with Dr. Kelsey Sharan to discuss the controversial topic of assisted dying in Canada and around the world. Dr. Sharan has been in the medical field for a long time, and has been involved in a number of controversial cases involving assisted dying.
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By the end of this calendar year of 2026, we're going to get 110,000 people we've killed.
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You basically get rid of all the difficult eaters, all of the mentally disabled, all of the vulnerable, all of the people that are a burden on the system.
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We have doctors who have killed over a thousand people in our country who are making over $860,000 killing over a thousand people.
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That's not an incentive. You're out of your mind.
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I decided to call said funeral home and I made a video about it.
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This took a total of two minutes for me to organize a killing in a funeral home.
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I can order pizza at the same time I just ordered that.
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You have significant amount of cases that need to be addressed
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where individuals are being coerced by their loved ones.
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Now, last time we had a conversation about maid,
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because I think it's something that a lot of people
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And what we talked about it then in the context of Canada,
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but what I think we've actually seen since then
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is that this is moving to other parts of the world.
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So just let's reset and tell the story from the beginning.
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what is happening with a sister dying around the world now?
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Okay, so we have to start changing the verbiage around what this is,
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When you start to soften language and you start to say what it is,
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when you use the word term made, it sounds very fluffy and very light
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and very peaceful and, you know, all of the dying with dignity.
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There's a technical term, and then there's the terminology where you basically get rid of all the difficult eaters, all of the mentally disabled, all of the vulnerable, all of the people that are a burden on the system.
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That's just a really plain based way to put it is when you cost the government a lot of money, when you cost society a lot of money, when you're basically not an everyday well-rounded person, somebody with ALS, somebody with Down syndrome, somebody with spinal bifida, somebody who's in a who's a quadriplegic like a friend of mine in a wheelchair, a friend of mine who has a degenerative disorder gets offered made every day.
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he's in a hospital. So it's less about what does the UN call it and what does it actually mean for
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a society? So your claim is these programs are designed to weed out and kill people who are
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inconvenient to the government, to society, because they consume too many resources.
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Absolutely. And they're just not what society wants as a whole because they become a burden.
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So think of World War I. It was veterans. It was shell shock veterans. It was the women that were difficult. So people like me definitely would have been lobotomized for sure. And then you have the children that were born with some form of ailment. Right. And if you take a look at the way that Canada has been discussing it, and we'll go back to what your question is, is that, you know, even the College of Physicians is suggesting zero to one, we should be able to euthanize for the, you know, things like Down syndrome, for things that are born with a malformality that are going to cause a lifelong of suffering.
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Even though we don't know that to be true because they can't consent, they have no free will, and they're zero to one years old.
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It's been in the media now for the past few weeks.
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The subject has exploded in the past couple months, thank God.
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So essentially what has happened since we spoke and prior to when we spoke is Canada has been not the first ones to do this.
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This is Canada's just following along the Netherlands, following along Belgium, following along other countries.
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The only difference is in some of those other countries, they're already killing children, right?
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They're already killing kids with Down syndrome and these types of things.
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Now, Canada has adopted this model in 2016 when, in 2015, the Carter v. Canada case came forward against the Supreme Court.
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She challenged the right to be able to die with her doctor's assistance.
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Now, there's a difference between physician-assisted suicide and euthanasia, which is what Canada 99.9% of the time does.
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Okay, so made in terms of what we classify it is, is when you have two assessors, two different crazy psychopaths, because that's exactly how I define them. And they will go in and meet with you with up to 105 minutes of an assessment where they will deem whether you are psychologically stable enough to be making the cognitive and clear decision to end your life. Okay, two different ones.
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Now, each one of those is able to bill, and I'll come back to this, is able to bill between $200 and $300 for that.
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They bill $50 per every 15 minutes for that assessment.
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Now, after the two assessments are done, if the approval is done, then you go to the doctor that's actually going to poison you to death and euthanize you.
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That doctor gets to charge anywhere up, I think it's around $347 up to $500, depending on their specialty.
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OK, so now roughly if you do one assessment, because you have to have different assessors, you do one assessment plus one of the actual, they call it a procedure.
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I can't call it. It's medical murder. So it's one one assesses another assesses.
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You can be the person who kills as well there. So now if you then charge for the medication as well, which is one hundred and forty seven dollars under the billing code, you're making roughly about eight hundred and thirty dollars per patient that you're able to bill for that you're able to legally kill.
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And in the FBI definable term of a serial killer, it's two separate incidents back to back.
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We have doctors who have killed over a thousand people in our country who are making over $860,000, killing over a thousand people.
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That's not an incentive. You're out of your mind.
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Now, let's forget the savings of the government.
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Now, in the states in America, in the 13 states in the one jurisdiction, so 14 locations of America, the doctor will do this.
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We were having a morality conversation yesterday
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and then you go into like a very painful state of death.
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I'm not going to make death appealing, I'm sorry.
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in which they would want it to be available to them.
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Not in like grandma's become a bit of a burden,
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Him suffering for the last half year of his life
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cut both of your parachutes and said, good luck.
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In America, they're going to take a cup after you do your two assessments,
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and they're going to set it in front of you and say, drink that.
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We know about those drugs that they're, if not,
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almost identically similar to the lethal injection program.
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So then why is it that America wants to have over 50% of its population by 2028
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living in states that does this as a medical care option?
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But we can't do it to people who rape children.
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So then your whole family and your children and everybody get to witness it.
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And then the second one, they have to hit you again.
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Do you know how traumatic that is for everybody in a room to witness?
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And that's why they're targeting children.
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It's kind of the opposite of the trans movement.
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we're going top down to convince kids that we should be okay to kill grandma whereas the trans
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is going children up right that's why dying with dignity has a children's book and a coloring book
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to justify the way we should kill grandma so i mean it's such a horrific image yeah look the
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question i guess that we should be asking is how do we know if somebody is able to make that choice
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For instance, let's say somebody has blue body dementia or vascular dementia, which is a horrible illness where you lose your, essentially you lose your mind and you're not able to make those types of decisions anymore.
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At what point should somebody be able to go, do you know what, I don't want to die like this.
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And more importantly, I don't want you to see me die like this.
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at least give me the dignity of picking how I'm going to die and the method in which I'm going
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to die. Well, dignity is a funny word, isn't it? Right. Because that's the word that we're
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tossing around right now with this program. Now, we have tons of cases. A great example is the
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Quebec. Quebec people are funny people. They just do whatever they want. Well, they're French.
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Well, we know that. But the government does whatever they want. So they started doing
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advanced requests already, which are federally illegal. What's an advanced request? You and I
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this sage could sit here and say i have the genetic components for or the uh the markers
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for alzheimer's or dementia which is the form of right okay and i could say now in my clear mind
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i would like to sign a forum that says when i am no longer cognizant kill me and that's happened
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right and then do you know what happens when that goes wrong there's a case over in denmark this is
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a great case it's actually the first story i tell my book because it just shows right off the bat
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what is wrong with this so this elderly woman made an advance request because she knew she was going
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to be developing dementia. It's a very public case. Daily Mail reported it. It's been reported
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now since like the 26th, 17, 18. And what happened was, so she went to meet with her doctor and her
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doctor gave her a coffee with a sedative in it and didn't tell her, okay? Because she was going
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in and out. Her family brought her. And they were mating her that day. They were going to murder her
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that day. So they lie her down and they start the procedure. Well, guess who comes to halfway
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through the procedure and realizes, I don't want to die. I don't want to die. You know what the
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doctor did, requested the family hold her down to finish the procedure, and they complied.
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Because that's what we're talking about here, which is that is such a monumental decision that
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even if you're certain at a certain point, even if you're like, I want to die, it's such a strong
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impulse. The strongest impulse within us as human beings is to live. It's to survive.
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So it's an almost impossible decision to make, isn't it?
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when we're talking about this situation specifically,
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at the time that she decided to make that choice,
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because we had this case just happen in BC last year too,
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There's a whole bunch of coercion that was just found
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where there's several cases where people did not qualify to die
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this is the Ontario coroner report reported by Dr. Ramona Coelho. She's out of Ontario. She's on
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the May Death Review Committee. Brilliant human. Very smart. Okay. Now, tons of cases, but this
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case specifically, the doctor was deemed to do, she didn't get in trouble. They said in the court,
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you know what? She did what she was supposed to do. You're telling me that you're asking a family
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member to physically hold down their loved one while they inject them to death. What we're
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talking about in a society is not are we killing the wrong people it's that we are telling people
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when we deem based on either slow drip manipulation of you're going to be a burden you're going to be
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expensive you don't want to have to change my diapers we don't want to be difficult for you
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and I don't want to live in that state but we don't know the mindset that we're going to be in
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in that state I have known and I guess people will say well this is anecdotal okay cool but
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like still stories of people who said, I actually applied to MAID. After I started doing this work
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in 2020, the amount of emails I get on a daily base saying I applied for MAID, and then I found
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out and thought deeper about what it was asking of me, and why am I not good enough to look after?
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Society's telling me that I am so much of a burden and will be, and even if I've told myself,
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why am I not into a system I've already paid millions of dollars good enough to look after?
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Why can't I have the double blind as I lose my life?
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Okay, so the double blind, I talked to Dr. Joel Zivett about this.
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He's the main doctor that came out with the research,
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the post-mortem research around lethal injection patients
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and what happens with the drugs in America when you euthanize somebody, okay?
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He did the post-mortem autopsy, the largest one in history, over 200 patients.
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Now, let me be clear, Canada does not use sodium thiopental.
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We use other drugs similar to this that cause the same sort of pulmonary edema in the lungs when you when you utilize them in the body.
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The tiny little sacs like pulmonary edema like it's you just your lungs explode inside and you can hear the gargling and you drown.
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That's so he testified to this, OK, in the Senate in Canada.
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And that was the clip that went viral in Jordan Peterson, where I read the piece of paper and I read verbatim what this Senate testimony was.
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He's the head of critical care and anesthesiology.
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He did this independent research to look at the lungs of patients
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or victims or prisoners, call them whatever you want,
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who were euthanized through the lethal injection program.
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And that is indicative of waterboarding or drowning to death
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But we give you a paralytic and we paralyze you first.
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and is that what is what do you experience do we know what you experience when you are
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being given that medication well we don't because the dead don't talk
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like when nobody comes back and it was like it actually wasn't that bad
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like but are there some people who may have who have experienced it or able to talk for a little
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bit and then die do you see what i mean no they can't because they're they're under a paralytic
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See, this comes back to our moral discussion and the real question here.
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Some of the things you're describing are absolutely horrific, and I think everyone would agree on that.
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But a lot of them are kind of more implementation side of things, right?
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Yeah, like from the physical component of the actual procedure, yes.
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So are you saying that there should be no programs that allow people to have the option to take their own life?
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So this is the double blind conversation that we were just going to have.
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So the double blind is essentially where if you're in a palliative care facility or a hospice where you are on your way out, we already know you're going to pass.
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They'll go to you and they'll say, and I've had several nurses and doctors and say, can I do it all the time?
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They'll go to you and say, so-and-so is exhibiting more and more physical pain.
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I don't want anyone to be in that kind of pain.
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That being said, I want people to have actual free will and consent and understanding as to
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what they are doing. And most do not, because this program has been highlighted as some
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beautiful way to end grandma's life. And it's such bullshit. And I'm so tired of it.
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The double blind looks like this. Constantine, Frances, grandma's over there suffering.
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We're going to increase her morphine. Okay. We're going to increase her morphine so much
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that there's a good chance her heart rate's going to slow
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And as we kind of do that, there's a good chance
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she's going to go into cardiac failure or a rest
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and then we'll wait and then we'll check her pulse
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that we should defund palliative care facilities
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Delta Hospice Society, 30 minutes from me, okay?
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Angelina Ireland, she spoke on a bunch of shows about it.
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Came out and decided, I'm going to run this place
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And then when Health Canada came to her and said,
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you need to start providing MAID. She said, no, on religious grounds, which is supposed to be
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legal in Canada. But now people are suing hospitals, Catholic and Christian and Jewish
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facilities saying, if you don't do MAID, we're coming after you. And so they pulled her funding
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to the tune of like over $20 million and she lost the facility. So the difference between
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increasing the morphine. Yes. And passing away. You're pro that. I, yeah, I think it's acceptable.
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This is my thing. People think I'm so hard-lined on this. There is nuance to this, but I've never
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been really been able to dive into that. That's like when...
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Well, I think you are hard-lined, but I'm just trying to find out where the line is that you go
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hard on, right? And that's kind of the important bit here. So the difference between giving
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terminally ill grandma an increased dose of morphine, A, to help her with the pain,
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So the protocol that's been designed by CanMap,
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We can't study killing because that's eugenics.
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so we don't know for a fact that they're not feeling it.
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When they're given in the dosages that they are, propofol, recronium, all of these drugs,
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we know they do have a potential to go haywire in the body because you're poisoning someone
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When you give somebody potassium chloride, their heart stops.
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because it's a lot easier when you have an organization
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to get rid of the burdens and the difficult ones,
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and you have them weasel their way into healthcare systems
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over the next 20 years if you do it instead of providing that.
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But you could still do it with morphine, right?
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you're not going to make the same amount of money
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because there's an argument around overdosing in organs, right?
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So it's no coincidence that prior to MAID moving on from track one
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to now all the vulnerable population of the country,
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that they were having the argument that as a MAID practitioner,
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we got to stop calling them these people, they're serial killers
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when we talk about it they weren't allowed to bring up the organ donation now it's the first
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conversation they have you know it'd be really great if you could just give your liver you know
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that'd be great because the next person in line is going to get one so wouldn't that be helpful
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if you did that do you think the organ donation is not a massive part of this conversation holy
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hell Canada's organ donation rates are skyrocketing right now you think what you're saying is if you
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give someone a morphine overdose it damages their organ so we don't know that so here's the thing is
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We know that normally when somebody overdoses, their body's going to shut down in a specific way.
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But when you do it in a very organized manner, like made is supposedly done in a hospital,
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they're wheeled in very quickly and chopped up for parts.
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We know, I talked to Joel Zivett about this a couple weeks ago.
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I said, so what's the deal with the lungs then, right?
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Because lungs are an expensive part of the body.
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He goes, you know, there are machines, he goes, there are machines that you put the lungs into right away
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that will help reheal them, and then you put them into somebody.
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right? Okay. But the liver's still great. The kidneys are still great. The eyes are still
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great. The skin's still great. All the other organs are very functional. Do we think it's
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a coincidence that all of a sudden hearts started going from Canada down to America
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out of nowhere? Do we think it's a coincidence that all of a sudden organs in terms of donations
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are skyrocketing in British Columbia at all? No, it's not because BC is one of the highest
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maid rates in the country. So it goes Quebec, Ontario, BC. What correlates all of those?
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hard-left liberal voters who are all whites, who are all elderly. Median age is roughly around 70
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to a little bit higher. But that's only because we only allowed it for track one for so long,
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and now we've moved on to track two. So here's my other argument, right? I agree with you.
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If somebody is suffering, they should have the right to die. I'm not discounting that.
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But it isn't health care or free will, okay, if the only option for healing and passing away
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is MAID and not palliative care, not hospice, not actual cancer treatment, not sitting on a
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wait list to the tune of 23,000 people a year dying and over half a million walking out of ERs.
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Is that actual healthcare if you can't see a surgeon within an acceptable amount of time to
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stop the cancer? Is it free will when you don't fully understand how the system works? Because
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here's the thing about CanMap, they're a charity, right? So Health Canada came in and bought the
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protocol, the IP, to how the maid doctors are educated and trained in the country. But they
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won't show it to us, even though the taxpayers paid for it. So we don't know what's being taught
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to our doctors at the College of Physicians. We don't know what the protocol is. We don't know
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how they're assessing. We do know they have a closed conference that happens once a year. There's
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one coming up at the end of April in Montreal, where they all sit around and talk about how
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they're going to expand the option to die. So if it was truly, if it was truly, and I mean this
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genuinely grandma is suffering we'd be having a very different conversation right now because
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when i first started this work i was the same way you are i have a 30 higher chance of dementia and
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alzheimer's due to my head injury a lot of us do food factors lifestyle all of it but just from
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blast exposure right just take that i know cognitively there's an option where at a certain
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point i might want to check out i am very okay with that idea i've been suicidal for 10 years
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Why in the 2023 Ahmed report from the Parliamentary Government of Canada
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are we suggesting that we euthanize down to the age of 12?
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And why is the College of Physicians in 2025 suggesting we start euthanizing 0 to 1?
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And I heard this, wasn't there a story just now that was this 26-year-old guy?
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and he was qualified from a doctor named Dr. Tepper
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from Maid House because we have killing facilities.
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Yeah, he was approved by Dr. Tepper at Maid House,
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which is a location where they have one in Victoria
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and all you do is you roll your people in and they die.
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So he was starting to lose some of his vision, but was still functioning.
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He had other comorbidities that weren't being looked at.
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And the saddest part was he needed health care.
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He needed more effort, more time being put into.
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So then if diabetes is so hard to die from, why was he not euthanized at six?
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Mental health, other factors started coming in.
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If you live in Vancouver, you're always depressed.
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But the real truth is he was type one diabetic with seasonal depression, okay?
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And he was euthanized when he had a mental health background that was already problematic.
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The point that matters is he wasn't being given proper treatment, proper health care, a proper protocol, and a support network that is supposed to be the gold standard of the world.
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And the first thing they gave him, and the reason he wasn't killed in 2022, is because his mother went to the media and the doctor freaked out.
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So if you believe in your heart of hearts as one of these doctors that what you're doing is helping people, why would you stop them?
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Because you know deep down what you're doing is wrong.
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Or at least you had some moral and you just didn't want to be judged for it.
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So if you can't find two assessors in Ontario to do it,
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And if you come to BC, Ellen Wiebe is just waiting for you.
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So if it's the fact that somebody needs to die and is actually terminal,
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you shouldn't have to doctor shop your way to convince somebody
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And also, if you have a mental health background,
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whether it's depression or bipolar or schizophrenia or PTSD or any of these,
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And you should be assessed by a psychiatrist, a psychologist,
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I mean, she's been doing abortions for 40 years.
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She's made millions of dollars of Ending Lives for 40 years, okay?
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This is, like, her own words, very verifiable public documentation.
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Not saying anything that's not already out there.
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That just screams red flags to me, just personally.
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in December. And it's really sad because this is a 26-year-old kid who felt like he had no help,
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no support, even though his mother was the most attentive. Like, I know this family. She was like
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single mom to that kid was like her, you know, diabetes, like always worried, always trying to
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protect him. And she couldn't protect him from Ellen. And he doctor shopped there. He said,
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yeah, no, she said, no problem. She wrote the prescription. I have the receipts for the
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prescriptions. He went and picked them up by himself, bought his drugs, okay? Went to an Uber,
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grabbed his drugs, Ubered himself over to a funeral home, and was killed in a funeral home
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by Ellen Wiebe on December 30th, 2025, with no family, with nothing else. And then I decided to
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call said funeral home, and I made a video about it, and I put it on my Instagram. Just set up my
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phone in the studio. And I said, I wonder if they will just be honest about it. So I called and
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it's called, it's like KIRU, K-I-R-U or something, R-R-I-O. They're in Vancouver. And you can,
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you can watch it. It's like a two minute clip. And I say, hi, I'm just calling because I'd like
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to ask about, I heard that you guys can do made here. And they go, oh, actually, yeah, we can.
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What's your name? And I was hesitant to give my name because I was like, oh, I don't know if they
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know. My name is Kelsey. They're like, oh, hi, Kelsey. Yeah, we can absolutely do that. We have
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two packages for you, actually. We have one where it's about $300, where the doctor will come and
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do it. And we can even handle the procedure and the cremation on site for you too. This took a
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total of two minutes for me to organize a killing in a funeral home. What? It's easier to order
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pizza. I can order pizza the same time I just ordered that. Do you understand? And they said
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The more I hear about this, the more it seems to me that it's just about money.
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And the fact that it's, like you said, it's like ordering a pizza.
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It's a service that you can get over a phone that takes literal minutes.
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But now people will argue, and this is going to be the pushback,
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Great case, Mrs. B, okay, British Columbia.
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Her husband had caregiver syndrome, just exhaustion.
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And during the assessment, she actually came to and she goes, you know, actually, based
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on my religion, I've decided I don't want to do this anymore.
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And I'm hearing that and I'm thinking it is surely only a matter of time before this gets
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And we talk about money again, but people are going to start getting sued, particularly
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in a country as litigious as the United States.
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Well, and so, you know, for example, Ellen Wiebe, I believe, has two criminal cases right now.
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I was involved in one of the ones getting the family member stopped because she was going to be killed in the 11th hour.
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And we were able to get a judge involved in British Columbia to stop that because she was approved on one Zoom session, even though she was bipolar cycling, too.
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OK, this is what Jordan Peterson made famous with the withdrawal stuff.
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We're still in touch with her husband all the time.
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She's no longer with us, but we were able to stop it at the time.
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doctors can't be charged in Canada the way that the new law works. But in Alberta, they're working
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on a new law right now. It's going to come out in the next couple of weeks. They're going to
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announce it. They've told me I can talk about it. It's essentially going to put a stop to track too.
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Okay. So it's going to keep terminally ill. What you're arguing is like, grandma says she'll have
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the right to die. But then the question becomes in society, what happens when we just start to
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slow drip grandma at her Bible meetings and at her church meetings and at, you know, her doctor's
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appointments and we start going, isn't it just getting hard? Isn't it getting difficult to just
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your children to show up and, and, you know, look after you all the time? Are you having a hard time
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walking and eating? Are you just tired? Don't you think that maybe it's just time to, time to go?
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We're slow tripping a narrative here. Apple TV, they did a whole episode on Dignitas in Switzerland.
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There was a whole TV show filmed in BC called Mary Kills People about a rogue doctor going
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around euthanizing people. Do you think this is by accident? This is not by accident. This is
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not a one-off where there's been a wrongful case. The Ontario Coroner Report found over 400 cases
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in one province of non-compliance. That's just what's reported. This is a self-reporting system.
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The doctors self-report, okay? So what if something goes wrong? They just don't have to say it.
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It just took a little longer to kill. So America, you think that it would be like that, but America
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has been mating people since 94 and 97. Nobody knows about this. Certain states have been doing
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in. And you've just expanded to New York. So you now have 13 states, one jurisdiction, right? So
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who's responsible for that? Because you would think that, you know, I talked to people in the
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United States State Department, they had no clue. What do you mean you have no clue? Why do I have
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a clue you don't have a clue? That's crazy. It's because you have a group called Compassion and
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Choices and the Final Exit Network. And these two groups are mammoths. They are $33 to $35 million
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organizations who have now partnered publicly with the Rabin Group. Do you know who the Rabin Group
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is. They are the social engineering groups of the big conglomerates of the globe. Think Bill Gates
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Foundation. They work with them. The Obama Foundation. They work with them. The BLMs,
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the BIPOCs, all of those, you know, the huge, hard, hard, crazy protests you see. Who do you
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think socially engineers that language? And I watched. I watched the whole video. It was crazy.
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It's totally public, by the way. Compassion and Choices laid out their plan to 2028. And they
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brought in the person from the Rabin Group to talk about how even though Florida doesn't have
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a bill on the table right now, legislatively, they're going to go in and start slow-dripping
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people in those pockets. Why? Because it's very elderly there. That's why Arizona has a new bill.
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There's 18 bills, actually, for expansion. And they have laid out their plan until 2028 to expand
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so that over 50% of the American population lives in a state where they can get track one death.
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But then it brings me to Colorado, okay? Colorado, love that place. They legalize a lot of stuff.
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legalize a lot of things guys yeah but what about the young girl that had anorexia who was mated
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because a doctor decided to change the terminology and say terminal anorexia and she was killed with
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it what about the person who had the longest death on record that we currently have in america of 137
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hours to die after ingesting poison how peaceful is that so it's like there are significant amount
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of these cases. But when you talk about it right now and the amount of locations that actually have
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this, this isn't like, you know, when I go do all the other shows, like, oh, of course, it's the
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left. It's those are the left states. I said, really? What about Georgia's new bill? What about
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all these other new bills that are not left states? What about Arizona? That doesn't feel
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very left to me. It feels very elderly to me because America's only track one. And as all
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of the legislators in America and state senators have stated, we just need to get the bill through
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Well, actually, I was going to ask you about this.
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I think it might have been when we had British politician Rory Stewart on the show.
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He talked about the fact, I think it was on our show, maybe it was on someone else's show,
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that I'm probably going to get the number slightly off,
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Something like 80% of the burden to the healthcare system
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comes in like literally the last five years of your life.
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You've got aging populations all over the Western world
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and we basically can't afford to treat people properly.
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if we stop giving billions and billions and billions
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and we stop, you know, flooding our country
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with people who don't pay into the tax system
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because they refuse to participate or assimilate.
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who called the sports team who called that person
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who got me into the doctor and then I got surgery.
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all the doctors and nurses who no longer want to work in it.
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who don't have the same healthcare standard
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and are perfectly fine to accept, we'll just euthanize.
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Why is it that 95% of people in America using it are white?
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Everyone who's watching our show for the first time
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Grandma can be cranky, but she'll be cranky over there.
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like we're not going to do that you look at the indian population that's exploding in canada the
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middle eastern population they don't i mean you leave the religion they'll stone you to death
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but they definitely will not they definitely won't let you die like that right so but that's
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the truth canada is slightly aggressive towards its more native population and that's not even
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just like white people now they're coming at like looking at indigenous expansion right they're
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looking at um the mentally great mentally ill okay 2027 march of 2027 don't get me wrong there's a
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bill in place right now called bill c 216 that looks at stopping the expansion in march of 2027
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but this is just an you know it's been pushed it was supposed to be 2024 now it's 2027 okay
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they're looking at the only qualifying factor you need is um mental illness so it's no longer a
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physical thing i no longer have to be terminal and with track two you don't have to be terminal
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anyway so it goes grandma track one killing grandma up here track two people like me who
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look like we're fine. If we have a disability, we can, we can climb it. Irremedial and grievous
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condition is what they state. So Kayla Pollack is a quadriplegic. Okay. But that was only recent
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after she got a certain thing a couple of years ago. And then eight days later, she stopped moving
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fully. Okay. But you know, I'm crazy. So they offer it to her when she goes into the doctor
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all the time. She's never asked for it. Never once asked for it, by the way. Then you got Roger
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Foley, a buddy of mine. He was just born with a degenerative disorder, but Health Canada won't
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give him the funding or the government won't give him the funding to have proper at-home care.
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So he has to live in London, Ontario Hospital. I have audio recordings of the doctors coming in
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almost daily, offering it to him almost daily. You know, Roger, it's just, you really look like
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you're struggling here, bud. Have you thought? And he'll say, don't talk to me about that. How
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many times do I have to tell you? I'm not going to die, but we'll give the person who came in
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who hasn't been checked, right? $86 million a year, but we won't help this guy. So it's like,
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I mean, why wouldn't the doctor offer it to you, right?
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So grandma, people who don't actually need to die, who are just struggling financially
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with homelessness, which we have records of that too, of people who are struggling with
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mental illness, but that's their underlying condition, guys, not their main condition.
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Let's be clear, March 2027, it's just mental illness.
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So that's like all of your veterans, all of your addicts, all of your homeless, that's
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like all of the seasonal depression people, I'm depressed.
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okay, well, if it's just grandma, then we should stop here.
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And we, as Canadians, don't really own our children.
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Okay, so like, say, like anything could happen, right?
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Like, say, for example, my kid wants to transition
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You know, Billboard Chris talks about this a lot.
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He's like, you guys can, they can socially transition him.
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And if he really deems that kid's like, that kid deems that, you know, I'm not safe.
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They can just, the government can remove my child from me.
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So then Sick Kids Hospital, and again, I've got a whole package for Billy for this one.
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Sick Kid Hospital states emphatically that at the age of 12, your parent consent and
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ability to see your kid's medical records and make decisions is out the window.
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So it's just ironic timing how mature minors, even though there is not legislation, have already been discussed in Parliament in the AMED report very, very, very well.
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And that's the part right here where it says that the government of Canada establishes a requirement that, where appropriate, the parent or guardians of a mature minor be consulted in the course of an assessment process for MAID.
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but that the will of the minor will have found to have the requisite decision-making capacity
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and ultimately take priority. Parents or guardians may or may not be consulted.
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So you're telling me that my 12-year-old, when mature minors is legal, because it's already
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being brought up, this isn't like a maybe, it's a when, because we're in a when situation now.
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Once my kid hits 12, I no longer can protect them from the government killing them if they
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decide they want MAID because they're depressed. You think that's a coincidence? You think it's
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coincidence that the head of the College of Physicians for the government and for the country
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is saying that we should euthanize kids zero to one? You have to see this is not about killing
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grandma anymore. This is about killing everybody who's inconvenient and financially a burden on
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the system and to society. That's terrifying alone. Forget the numbers, forget the death count,
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forget the money. We are a sick society that accepts that instead of looking after our loved
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ones, our family members, even when they're difficult and it's hard and it's heartbreaking
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and it's financially just disturbing when you live in Canada to try to even look after anyone,
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forget someone who's sick. You're telling me we're supposed to tell them to give up and die.
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that we should tell everyone to give up and die.
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used to be like the main thing we focused on stopping.
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So you can't see a pediatrician, an orthodontist, a dentist, an eye doctor.
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But you can have made within 24 hours as track one with assessors, you can be killed by the same day.
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Kelsey, how much of this, because we've looked at the financial aspect of this.
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again the comparisons with trans medicalizing the trans medicalization of kids it rings it just
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everything that you talk about it sets alarm bells going off in my head obviously
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how much of this is ideological is what i'm trying to say super ideological that's what i that's why
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i'm so aggressive online there's a difference between having a conversation with somebody
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about grandma dying and helping grandma pass on and protocols by the way and that are in place
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that can help with that for example it's called the special access program of canada i'm actually
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one of the recipients of the special act there's like 180 of us and um i wanted access to regulated
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psilocybin because they wanted to give me electroshock therapy for my treatment resistant
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depression and i said that sounds crazy i'm not going to do that but they said well you have to
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do it before we'll give you mushrooms. And I went, no. So anyway, I got approved long and short for
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the majority of people. And I mean, high 90% don't get approved, but it is specifically that program
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is designed for terminally ill. It is designed for the terminally ill to help them transition
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out of life, to sit with activated, regulated psilocybin in a structured set and setting to
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help them cope with coming to the end. But we don't allow that you have to go. That's one of
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the most difficult programs to go and it takes thousands and thousands of thousands of dollars
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and medical records and lawyers to help you get it the average canadian can't get access to that
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but we have it we just say no no no no it's too hard to get so you don't get it but we can give
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you made in the same day if you're terminally ill no problem so like it is a it's a societal issue
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where we have picked the fastest exit ramp the most efficient exit ramp and we have started to
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slow roll it into our culture. So like on Twitter, people hate me. I don't care, but they hate me
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because my pushback is they say, well, my grandfather was dying and he was very painful.
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It was one of the most peaceful things we've ever seen. And I thought to myself, you understand
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you're talking about a doctor who you're supposed to trust coming in, killing a loved one,
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sitting around while it's happening and acting like that's okay. It wasn't like he was dying
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they were doing CPR and you just couldn't get them, couldn't get them back. That's traumatic too.
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But the amount of families I sit with who say, Kelsey, it was one of the most horrific experiences
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I've ever witnessed. The person looked peaceful, so I'm glad they're not in pain anymore.
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But something inside just kept saying, this is wrong. This is wrong. Doctors are supposed to
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help us. But now we're, we flipped it on his head where now we accept doctors to kill us.
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And there's something fundamentally wrong with that, in my opinion.
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And that's why there's things called survivor's guilt and sanctuary trauma.
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Because when you have a society that's supposed to trust something as a medical staff,
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that they're going to help you and heal you and do no harm.
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But every time you see them or they're around, they start offering you made.
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Because track one is grandmothers and grandfathers
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and people who are days away from passing away.
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Why can't they have hospice and palliates of care?
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Can't get drugs to help you with your pain management.
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Ultimately, it just goes to a point, and the point is made.
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And then just a quick question, because this is the morality issue.
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Why are we not requiring our doctors, after they kill someone,
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to meet with a psychiatrist to make sure they're okay?
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But if I came home from overseas, or a police officer did a shooting,
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the first thing we have to do is sit down and do a debrief.
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After the deaths I had with the British military,
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The first thing we got back to the base, we had to sit down and they go, we have to talk about what happened, walk through every step of it.
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Make sure everyone's stories lines up and make sure that you're psychologically sound.
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But then you have a doctor who's admitting to killing over a thousand people, which, by the way, just fun fact, Canada has over 2200 maid killers and assessors.
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OK, now we don't know what they're being taught, again, because the IP is protected.
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You can't see it unless you're a doctor and you've done the course.
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So we don't know what they're teaching them at CanMap.
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Health Canada bought a program that it's not even allowed to see.
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They don't know what's being taught, but it's being ruled out to every doctor and every nurse.
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They don't require psych evaluations before they start becoming made assessors.
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Then they also don't check with them and go, hey, maybe 350 deaths is a little much.
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Maybe there should be a cap on the amount of people you can kill.
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Because now we have doctors who are making their entire livings to the tunes of over $860,000 on just killing people.
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So if there's an incentive to make money for you as a practitioner
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What we haven't addressed is the financial incentives of the family.
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I wouldn't have to pay for people to come around
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Hoping that they're okay and everything's going alright
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I'd be able to get a house where the mortgage is paid off
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Yeah, you need to stop talking about it, is what I'm saying.
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But in all seriousness, those are some very real financial incentives for people.
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incentives are the most powerful force in the universe.
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I'm not going to pretend I've been grinding through RPGs between recordings,
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or that I have strong opinions about which Final Fantasy was the best one.
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I think it's Japanese, and I think there's a sword.
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You play games you were probably going to play anyway.
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You own coins and you cash them out for real rewards.
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You open the app, swipe through the game offers,
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pick something that looks decent, play it, earn, redeem.
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It's a failure of our society where we've made things so expensive, so difficult, so
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it could be the same thing, you know, your mother had you, right? I'm sure you were expensive.
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She's told me many times, right? I'm sure you were expensive. I'm sure sports or activities
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while you're a bookworm. So books were expensive. You know, I'm sure, uh, the cost of living and
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being an immigrant in the UK was expensive. She could have chose to probably give you up or abort
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you or make all of these choices, right? This is what happens in life, my friend. Things are
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expensive and our loved ones matter and we can't quit on them because of dollars do you know what
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i mean like like but like truly i understand what you're saying i mean like like my the only reason
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i got medical help was because american charities helped me i couldn't afford my help you know
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brain treatment 20 000 here lawyers for this over here 10 grand here 20 grand here no like i can't
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afford that i couldn't afford that when i was getting better i would have died and if made was
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here. I've told you this before. I would have taken it. A hundred percent. Hands down. No
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questions asked because I was in such a state. But that's the point. The people we're now targeting
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are not grandma. They're the people who, when you are in a depression state, I'm just going to say
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because there's more people in the room. If you've ever been depressed, sometimes taking a breath is
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hard and making it to the end of the day is excruciating. And the idea of waking up tomorrow
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is, like, you just, I can't do another day like this.
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Because I argued with people for the past two days.
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But it's like, but that's the truth is like, we're now talking to people who can't see past
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the next day and going, but this will be better. But that's the reality. That's not like maybe
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doing it. Keanu, he thought about that for years. So I understand it's expensive and I'm sure your
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mother is, and your family are unbelievably grateful, but I know on the back end, you're
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starting a life and you want to grow when you want to do these things. And you're like, well,
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you know i feel bad but maybe it's holding me back temporarily but what held her back when you
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were born right yeah so she gave then and you're giving now that's the whole point of family but
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we've we've broken down what it means to be a family and a society and a healthy one at that
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and we've said all that matters is this over here not the fact that she changed your diapers and woke
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up in the middle of the night and take used to take you to play dates and listen to you speak
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all the way through, and we're going to have access to the right pain care and the right
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medications. So yeah, you may be a little groggy, but we're going to hold your hand all the way
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through. Why can't we do that? And why have we accepted that? Why have we accepted that we should
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be taking our family members and giving up? Because that's what it is. That's the truth.
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Look, if somebody requests it and they're 86 and they're in full compliance and understanding what
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they're doing, which most aren't though, because there's always somebody whispering in the ear,
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whether it's a doctor or a family member or whatever. So it's like, it can never really
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be free will. I don't believe it can be. It's too baked into our society. So one of the things that
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Alberta's new law is coming in that they're proposing and putting forward is stopping at
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track one, like you're talking about. Stopping track two, making it so that you can't even
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advertise at a hospital anymore. Because Dying with Dignity goes to the universities, the death
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doula programs, right? And they do all of this. You know, they even go to churches now. I leaked
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it last year. We caught them advertising made to a RCMP veteran group who are already struggling
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with PTSD. Over 800 members they sent an email to. They did not like that I found that. I'm doing it
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at a church. So like, what are we doing? So, you know, when I talk about the morality side of
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things, of course, people want to say that grandma and grandpa have the right to die. Yeah, everybody
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has the right to end their life and die. But why are we accepting it past that, right? Why are we
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accepting the mentally ill? Why are we accepting the homeless and the addicts and now mature minors,
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which is just a disgusting, really bad term, by the way, because legally they say down to the age
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of 12. But when you actually read the fine print, age doesn't matter. It's if the assessors
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deem the individual has the capacity and ability to understand the decision they're making.
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I mean, I am very troubled beyond just this issue
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that the Labour government is extending the right to vote to 16-year-olds.
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And by the way, they're turning out to be wrong
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because 16-year-olds are voting for the Green Party,
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And I think something's happened in our society
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And I think the breakdown isn't skin color.
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traditional community, non-traditional, right? Yeah. They just go off of when we're looking at
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stats and we're looking at the death numbers and things like that across like the country of
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America, of Canada and of others, they go, you know, they give, well, we have all the data,
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right? So we know if you're a highly educated individual, we know that if you're white,
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we know if you're black, we know if you're ethnic, we know if you're homeless, we know,
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we do know these things. So it's just funny. It's just happens to be that a friend of mine,
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Alex Schattenberg runs the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition. And so, so many people think that I'm
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just like a YouTuber now that yells about a subject I know nothing about when I have like
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extensive scientific backgrounds with individuals who not only just give me information, feed me
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information, help me understand said information, how it could have a broader impact on the globe.
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And Alex has been one of my mentors in that subject. And he's been doing this for 30, 40
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years, right? He said one to me the other day, he goes, it's like, it's the three W's. It's like
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the white, wealthy, and worried, right? It's the white, wealthy, and worried that are using this.
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It's not the people who are poverty-stricken, even though they're being targeted for sure, right?
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There was a guy in Toronto who couldn't afford his home anymore, so we applied for MAID.
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You know, we had another girl, this was one of those non-compliant cases, right, where she had chemical sensitivity syndrome.
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It's basically where, like, you're, like, a chemical, it's like she's allergic to pretty much everything.
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And she couldn't get proper housing, so she applied for MAID, right, like, was MAID.
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So, like, we have these crazy cases of, like, we had an obese lady that was MAID.
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you know for the fact that she was obese like we we have all of these people we have people who
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even though on the on the on the record they didn't have a mental illness but their secondary
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was so that was legal because that's that's not legal kelsey till march 2027 so you have to be
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very careful okay but like they have an entire record of bipolar so like why wasn't that considered
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into the fact that oh maybe they were on medication or they are now off of said medication and are
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spiraling out of control what about the veterans who have ptsd that are offered it they didn't ask
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for it when they said made to them they thought like a cleaner because we get cleaners we get
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help with cleaning and stuff so it this is i guess my point so i think we're actually in
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agreeance that people who are terminal and have you know normally the waiting period is 90 days
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for track two right but you can fast track that by just saying a few different words so when they
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say that canada has the most strict safeguards in the globe even though that's what scotland's
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parliament is basing their their law off of is the canadian side of things and there's there is
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almost no and i mean like no support in terms of the medical community in scotland for this even
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though the government is very similar to canada they're modeling it off the canadian side there's
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almost no support the medical staff everybody's kind of come out and said like we don't support
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this and they're still trying to push it through when you have people that are arguing that everybody
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should have the right to die this is so much bigger than grandma and grandpa you have significant
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amount of cases that need to be addressed where individuals are being coerced by their loved ones
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somebody even lost uh his wife's ability this was in british columbia he planned for a maid death
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for her she did not want it the police had to step in okay so this is what i'm saying there's
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kind of a word for that right we call it coercion and murder but that's you know so kelsey ultimately
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yes wrapping this up then yes what do you think should be the law around this stuff
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because the reason though we we've brought you on again to talk about this is this is clearly
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something that is spreading to other countries including the countries that all other people
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watching this are living in yeah what should be the right framework for this should should there
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be any euthanasia sister dying whatever you want to call it so i i always try to say it really
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carefully because I think it's it's people hate this when I say it and they go well you're a
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hypocrite you went to war I get it I learned a thing or two we should stop killing people
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we should stop killing people and we should actually put effort and funding and supports
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into our health care system so people can have the double blind so people can have hospice and
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palliative care so that they can have access to regulated psilocybin which we know helps with
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end-of-life care. We should have tools in place. Now, I believe in the double blind as an option.
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Is that a legal medical thing? No. But we understand morphine and fentanyl a little bit
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better than we understand recurrentium and large doses of propofol and what the lungs are showing
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and Canadian autopsies. People say those are just amazing. When I brought up that stat, people say
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those were American. Those were American death. Those were American drugs. But, you know, Alicia
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Duncan's mother's autopsy shows the same thing, and she was killed in Canada and Abbotsford.
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So, you know, we just, to get those autopsies, you actually have to almost sue Fraser Healthcare
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and other healthcare systems because they won't release them. So, like, why wouldn't you release
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them if there's nothing funny in them? That's one point. No, I think right now we are in a place
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where because of how our governments are choosing to look at human beings and whether we value them
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or not. I don't believe there is a time right now that we could trust a system with a program like
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this, which is a eugenics program. I don't believe we are in a place to ever trust it because humans
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are humans and humans make mistakes and humans can be manipulated and propagandized and changed
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into believing X or Y or Z. And the only difference I would say between the trans,
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And Jordan was early to this with the university stuff,
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We tell our kids really early that they're a cat,
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and then they can be a they, them, and a table.
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We've gone the most vulnerable sides of society.
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So we've said, well, this little child has said it,
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to healthcare providers who are not manipulated
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into making crazy incentives, financial incentives.
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And nobody seems to have a problem with that over there.
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Or even me in my 40s or 50s, when my brain isn't fully there, somebody around me could
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take my decision-making capacity and have me killed.
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And don't tell me it's not happening because we have records of it.
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And I am genuinely concerned that if this continues to go, like I said, Canada hasn't
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In less than 10 years, we've killed 100,000 people.
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The United States is roughly around 19,000 because it's just expanding.
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But the 13th state and the jurisdiction, which makes 14 locations, that's just the starting point.
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You have a governor, you have a sitting governor right now who admitted to illegally killing a family member in his memoir and participating in it.
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And then because of those feelings, legislated that same protocol in his state.
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So if doctors like the one in Ontario and Quebec, or I think it was Ontario,
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the one that just got in trouble, only got a four-month suspension for mating people
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and not reporting it to the government or telling anybody about it, can get away with it here.
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If Ellen Wiebe can get away with it, if Stephanie Green can get away with it,
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if people can get away with it, they will get away with it.
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So no, I don't think humans can handle a protocol like this.
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we're just doing the same things and saying, this is modern medical care, guys. So no, I'd like to
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think we could, but I don't believe that our society is in any way equipped as it sits to have
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the idea where your doctor should have the right to kill you. That's kind of insane and feels like
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an oxymoron to me. Do you think part of the problem as well, Kelsey, is the fact that death
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is such a taboo topic in the West? Yes. In the way that it is in many other cultures? I love that you
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brought that up. I know you want to wrap up because I talk too much, but you're so right.
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there's so much to be said about that that's a real thing right where if you look at these other
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cultures you know death is a very normalized thing they still burn bodies and open public you know
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india does it a certain way your culture does it a certain way death in in the more
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latino cultures is not something to be feared in a way um i don't know your deal i i don't i don't
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know how the russians it's fact of life what are you gonna do you feel nothing you die we born no
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you feel pain, then you die. You feel sad, then die. Exactly. But that's the thing, right?
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We have told people this gives them control back. We've told this, it removes suffering.
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But I've said this before, and I think it's important to state, when you were born and
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when you came into this life, whether it was a choice or not, nobody ever said you would be
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devoid of some form of suffering. And there is, regardless of the level of suffering,
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something to be learned. I've known friends who have lost three limbs and are still laughing
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about it. It helped them see the world in a different place and be grateful to be here.
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I have gone through it where I've wanted to die every waking minute of my life. And now
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I see life as this incredibly precious thing that I would refuse to ever give in and give up to.
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But the idea of death for me, because I've sat with enough psychedelics and faced death enough
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times, I don't fear it. I don't fear it because I know it's a natural part of where I am going.
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And by definition, the second you come out of the womb, you're palliative.
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Okay, so, but if that's, if we're talking about definable terms and how we qualify people,
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Truly, you know, so I think that we have a taboo around sex and culture in the West and
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And we fear it and we go, we, I need to be, I need to be in control of my death.
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do you get to play God? Because that's what it's doing. You're playing God. And we even had a
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doctor on Vancouver Island, I just wrote about him last week on my sub stack, who talked about,
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he goes, if I thought there would be, there's a quote, he goes, if I thought there'd be a God,
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I wouldn't be doing it. If I thought there'd be a God, I wouldn't be doing it, but I know there's
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no God. And if I can do the same thing as him, I'm going to keep doing it. So it's like, there's
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going to be sick people who will take lives and justify it but when it comes to our society
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you know i'm sure there's better answers to this but i think we don't understand death and
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understand that there is there is beauty in suffering in giving life and i'll remind me of
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this in two months okay for the listeners she's due soon yeah can we tell and then i think there's
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also, as hard as it is for people to wrap their brain around, a beauty in death and leaving our
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earth and what you leave behind and what you've done with the time that you've had here. And so
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regardless of what people say, well, grandma has the right to die. You're right, for sure.
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But I think we owe it to our society and our people to go, if we're going to do this,
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it has to be better. Research has to be better studied. I don't think we should. That's me
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personally but the idea that we should be accepting children and the mentally ill and the disabled and
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the homeless and the addicts like Canada is already doing you can't we'll never we'll never
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I'll never agree I'll never agree to that Kelsey what's the one thing we're not talking about
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guys I try really hard to prepare for you um I think we do need to have a discussion I know we
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talked about it very briefly but we do need to have a real discussion around the financial
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incentives of what suicide as a healthcare option gives to people. And again, I know we went through
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it and it may seem monotonous and small, but when you actually start to understand the amount the
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government makes, right? There was a Western report I talked about on Jillian Michaels
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that got a lot of attention. And it was, they said it was an if situation, but we're no longer
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in an if situation based on the law here, is that if we continue to go down the path, which we are,
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we're going to save the health care system is going to save 1.273 trillion dollars by killing
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people that's an incentive we also need to be talking about how much money these doctors
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excuse me are actually making because if there's an incentive to only kill people financially what
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is the point of health care at all why would they heal why would you do studies and research why
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would you do any of these things and so i think there's a deeper conversation around the organizations
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who are spending $700,000 to $800,000 on Facebook
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and drop hundreds of thousands of dollars on advertisement
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is not allowed to advertise because we're ammunition.
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But Facebook and Meta allows Dying with Dignity
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with things like their children's coloring book.
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So we can argue morality till we're blue in the face,
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And I think the money conversation needs a deeper look
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because this is something I found just two days ago
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So if 350 people are killing over 50,000 people, we should be having a conversation about the
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incentive, the psychological state of our doctors, and why we are fully allowing psychopaths to walk
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around Canada in white coats. It's concerning to me. All right, head on over to triggerpod.co.uk
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where we continue the conversation with your questions. How close are we to Soylent Green
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with assisted death and green-colored powdered drinks on sale as the nutritional supplement?
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