TRIGGERnometry - ＂Assisted Dying is Monetising Death＂ — Kelsi Sheren

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00:00:48.960 By the end of this calendar year of 2026, we're going to get 110,000 people we've killed. 0.98

00:00:52.880 It's eugenics. It's a eugenics program. 1.00

00:00:55.640 You basically get rid of all the difficult eaters, all of the mentally disabled, all of the vulnerable, all of the people that are a burden on the system. 0.99

00:01:03.780 We have doctors who have killed over a thousand people in our country who are making over $860,000 killing over a thousand people. 0.98

00:01:11.300 That's not an incentive. You're out of your mind. 0.99

00:01:13.600 I decided to call said funeral home and I made a video about it. 0.99

00:01:16.260 This took a total of two minutes for me to organize a killing in a funeral home.

00:01:22.880 I can order pizza at the same time I just ordered that.

00:01:25.640 You have significant amount of cases that need to be addressed

00:01:28.420 where individuals are being coerced by their loved ones.

00:01:30.720 He planned for a maid death for her.

00:01:33.580 She did not want it.

00:01:35.160 The police had to step in.

00:01:36.900 So this is what I'm saying.

00:01:37.880 There's kind of a word for that, right?

00:01:39.380 We call it coercion and murder.

00:01:43.480 Kelsey Sharin, welcome back to Trigonometry.

00:01:45.440 Hi, guys.

00:01:46.200 It's good to have you on.

00:01:47.020 You're here for a third time.

00:01:48.380 Now, last time we had a conversation about maid,

00:01:51.060 which is a sister dying, basically.

00:01:53.900 Kind of.

00:01:54.480 We'll argue about it later.

00:01:56.140 Okay.

00:01:57.780 But that conversation got huge views

00:02:01.380 because I think it's something that a lot of people

00:02:03.160 are really thinking about.

00:02:04.300 And what we talked about it then in the context of Canada,

00:02:07.860 but what I think we've actually seen since then

00:02:10.700 is that this is moving to other parts of the world.

00:02:14.460 In America, in the UK, assisted dying

00:02:17.380 has been a big conversation.

00:02:18.920 So just let's reset and tell the story from the beginning.

00:02:22.560 what is happening with a sister dying around the world now?

00:02:25.280 Okay, so we have to start changing the verbiage around what this is,

00:02:28.360 because when you start to...

00:02:30.360 What's a great word for this?

00:02:33.440 When you start to soften language and you start to say what it is,

00:02:39.780 when you use the word term made, it sounds very fluffy and very light

00:02:43.260 and very peaceful and, you know, all of the dying with dignity.

00:02:47.400 It's not. It's none of that.

00:02:48.480 It's eugenics. 0.97

00:02:49.840 It's a eugenics program. 0.87

00:02:52.040 And there's a-

00:02:52.520 But define eugenics?

00:02:53.860 I mean, great question. 0.99

00:02:56.300 There's a technical term, and then there's the terminology where you basically get rid of all the difficult eaters, all of the mentally disabled, all of the vulnerable, all of the people that are a burden on the system.

00:03:07.140 That's just a really plain based way to put it is when you cost the government a lot of money, when you cost society a lot of money, when you're basically not an everyday well-rounded person, somebody with ALS, somebody with Down syndrome, somebody with spinal bifida, somebody who's in a who's a quadriplegic like a friend of mine in a wheelchair, a friend of mine who has a degenerative disorder gets offered made every day.

00:03:29.300 he's in a hospital. So it's less about what does the UN call it and what does it actually mean for

00:03:37.160 a society? So your claim is these programs are designed to weed out and kill people who are

00:03:45.700 inconvenient to the government, to society, because they consume too many resources.

00:03:50.880 Absolutely. And they're just not what society wants as a whole because they become a burden.

00:03:55.460 So think of World War I. It was veterans. It was shell shock veterans. It was the women that were difficult. So people like me definitely would have been lobotomized for sure. And then you have the children that were born with some form of ailment. Right. And if you take a look at the way that Canada has been discussing it, and we'll go back to what your question is, is that, you know, even the College of Physicians is suggesting zero to one, we should be able to euthanize for the, you know, things like Down syndrome, for things that are born with a malformality that are going to cause a lifelong of suffering.

00:04:23.940 Even though we don't know that to be true because they can't consent, they have no free will, and they're zero to one years old.

00:04:29.180 So we're already suggesting that.

00:04:31.060 That's a very, very open topic.

00:04:33.080 It's been in the media now for the past few weeks.

00:04:34.780 The subject has exploded in the past couple months, thank God.

00:04:38.180 So essentially what has happened since we spoke and prior to when we spoke is Canada has been not the first ones to do this.

00:04:44.960 This is Canada's just following along the Netherlands, following along Belgium, following along other countries.

00:04:49.940 The only difference is in some of those other countries, they're already killing children, right? 0.87

00:04:53.440 They're already killing kids with Down syndrome and these types of things.

00:04:56.220 Now, Canada has adopted this model in 2016 when, in 2015, the Carter v. Canada case came forward against the Supreme Court.

00:05:03.540 She challenged the right to be able to die with her doctor's assistance.

00:05:07.420 Now, there's a difference between physician-assisted suicide and euthanasia, which is what Canada 99.9% of the time does.

00:05:15.960 And what's the difference?

00:05:16.560 Okay, so made in terms of what we classify it is, is when you have two assessors, two different crazy psychopaths, because that's exactly how I define them. And they will go in and meet with you with up to 105 minutes of an assessment where they will deem whether you are psychologically stable enough to be making the cognitive and clear decision to end your life. Okay, two different ones.

00:05:40.120 Now, each one of those is able to bill, and I'll come back to this, is able to bill between $200 and $300 for that.

00:05:47.440 They bill $50 per every 15 minutes for that assessment.

00:05:51.060 Money matters here.

00:05:52.420 Now, after the two assessments are done, if the approval is done, then you go to the doctor that's actually going to poison you to death and euthanize you.

00:05:59.900 That doctor gets to charge anywhere up, I think it's around $347 up to $500, depending on their specialty.

00:06:07.680 OK, so now roughly if you do one assessment, because you have to have different assessors, you do one assessment plus one of the actual, they call it a procedure.

00:06:16.860 I can't call it. It's medical murder. So it's one one assesses another assesses.

00:06:21.220 You can be the person who kills as well there. So now if you then charge for the medication as well, which is one hundred and forty seven dollars under the billing code, you're making roughly about eight hundred and thirty dollars per patient that you're able to bill for that you're able to legally kill.

00:06:34.480 And in the FBI definable term of a serial killer, it's two separate incidents back to back.

00:06:39.680 We have doctors who have killed over a thousand people in our country who are making over $860,000, killing over a thousand people.

00:06:47.480 That's not an incentive. You're out of your mind. 0.99

00:06:49.680 Now, let's forget the savings of the government.

00:06:51.680 That's just one doctor.

00:06:53.140 OK, so that's how we normally do it.

00:06:55.960 Now, in the states in America, in the 13 states in the one jurisdiction, so 14 locations of America, the doctor will do this.

00:07:02.120 do your two assessments

00:07:03.180 and it's only track one.

00:07:05.160 So track one is the terminally ill only.

00:07:06.720 This is that morality conversation

00:07:07.960 we were having yesterday.

00:07:09.520 Well, the audience don't know

00:07:10.760 we were having a conversation

00:07:11.320 so it started at the beginning.

00:07:12.500 We were having a morality conversation yesterday

00:07:14.300 about things like grandma dying.

00:07:16.220 We were having dinner

00:07:16.940 and I said to you, Kelsey,

00:07:18.120 I love what you do,

00:07:19.260 but when I think about situations

00:07:22.140 that I can envisage quite easily,

00:07:24.120 I think France and I agreed on this actually.

00:07:27.160 I can see situations

00:07:28.460 where I would want to be made it,

00:07:30.680 quote unquote.

00:07:31.260 Yeah, totally. 0.95

00:07:32.120 I mean, if we didn't poison you to death 0.84

00:07:33.840 and then paralyze you 0.97

00:07:34.800 and then your lungs fill with fluid

00:07:35.880 and then you go into like a very painful state of death.

00:07:38.580 Okay, you make it sound less appealing

00:07:40.100 than what I had in mind, but...

00:07:41.440 I'm not going to make death appealing, I'm sorry.

00:07:43.020 No, you get my point, right?

00:07:43.960 Of course, 100%.

00:07:44.880 That I think most people actually

00:07:47.220 can envisage situations

00:07:48.840 in which they would want it to be available to them.

00:07:51.260 A thousand percent.

00:07:51.780 They'd want it to be available to...

00:07:53.740 Not in like grandma's become a bit of a burden,

00:07:56.780 but like my dad is in a lot of pain.

00:07:59.580 He's suffering, he's terminally...

00:08:01.040 He's not going to recover from this.

00:08:02.640 Him suffering for the last half year of his life

00:08:05.480 is not what he wants.

00:08:07.100 It's not what I want.

00:08:07.820 It's not what anyone wants.

00:08:08.660 Like, we can all see that, right?

00:08:10.240 Yeah.

00:08:10.600 And your argument was it's a slippery slope.

00:08:13.260 No, it's what Michael Malice calls it.

00:08:15.220 It's an elevator shaft.

00:08:16.060 We're not a slippery slope anymore.

00:08:17.120 We're beyond, we're so beyond that.

00:08:19.240 We've jumped, we've sent you out of the plane,

00:08:21.520 cut both of your parachutes and said, good luck.

00:08:24.420 Explain that.

00:08:25.280 Okay, so we started, Canada started,

00:08:28.380 let me just finish this.

00:08:29.180 In America, they're going to take a cup after you do your two assessments,

00:08:32.420 they're going to fill it with poison,

00:08:33.380 and they're going to set it in front of you and say, drink that.

00:08:35.500 Okay?

00:08:35.960 So what do we know about those drugs?

00:08:37.400 We know about those drugs that they're, if not,

00:08:39.480 almost identically similar to the lethal injection program.

00:08:42.340 But that's banned in so many states.

00:08:44.040 So then why is it that America wants to have over 50% of its population by 2028

00:08:48.920 living in states that does this as a medical care option? 1.00

00:08:52.380 But we can't do it to people who rape children. 1.00

00:08:55.240 Right? 0.99

00:08:55.740 Cool.

00:08:56.400 So that's a problem.

00:08:57.900 Canada does that 1% of the time.

00:08:59.460 Most people don't choose this option

00:09:00.740 because that's no longer

00:09:02.340 devoiding you of the responsibility.

00:09:04.200 That's what, you know,

00:09:04.780 when you go to do euthanasia,

00:09:06.700 you lie down,

00:09:07.620 they hit you with two IVs,

00:09:08.900 hope to God both of these IVs go.

00:09:10.560 Most of them,

00:09:10.960 we have a ton of research around

00:09:12.480 IV failures,

00:09:13.720 people having to go emergency rooms,

00:09:15.460 not dying when they're supposed to die.

00:09:17.100 People who were euthanized,

00:09:18.880 leave the family,

00:09:20.180 get in their car,

00:09:21.080 have to be called back in

00:09:22.040 because grandpa shot up

00:09:23.560 and is still alive

00:09:24.320 and gasping for air.

00:09:25.360 This is not a one-off.

00:09:26.560 This is not a two-off.

00:09:27.520 It happens a decent amount of times.

00:09:31.640 And so that's why there's two maid kits. 0.94

00:09:33.620 Not one, two. 0.89

00:09:34.760 Because the first one doesn't always work.

00:09:37.000 So then your whole family and your children and everybody get to witness it.

00:09:40.340 And then the second one, they have to hit you again.

00:09:42.440 Sorry, grandma didn't die the first time.

00:09:44.480 Let's try again.

00:09:45.520 Do you know how traumatic that is for everybody in a room to witness?

00:09:48.780 Including children.

00:09:49.940 And that's why they're targeting children. 1.00

00:09:51.380 It's kind of the opposite of the trans movement. 1.00

00:09:53.860 we're going top down to convince kids that we should be okay to kill grandma whereas the trans 0.96

00:09:59.140 is going children up right that's why dying with dignity has a children's book and a coloring book 0.99

00:10:03.060 to justify the way we should kill grandma so i mean it's such a horrific image yeah look the

00:10:11.280 question i guess that we should be asking is how do we know if somebody is able to make that choice

00:10:18.500 For instance, let's say somebody has blue body dementia or vascular dementia, which is a horrible illness where you lose your, essentially you lose your mind and you're not able to make those types of decisions anymore.

00:10:32.620 At what point should somebody be able to go, do you know what, I don't want to die like this.

00:10:40.300 And more importantly, I don't want you to see me die like this.

00:10:43.100 at least give me the dignity of picking how I'm going to die and the method in which I'm going

00:10:49.100 to die. Well, dignity is a funny word, isn't it? Right. Because that's the word that we're

00:10:52.640 tossing around right now with this program. Now, we have tons of cases. A great example is the

00:10:57.160 Quebec. Quebec people are funny people. They just do whatever they want. Well, they're French.

00:11:03.000 Well, we know that. But the government does whatever they want. So they started doing

00:11:08.080 advanced requests already, which are federally illegal. What's an advanced request? You and I

00:11:12.600 this sage could sit here and say i have the genetic components for or the uh the markers

00:11:18.160 for alzheimer's or dementia which is the form of right okay and i could say now in my clear mind

00:11:23.760 i would like to sign a forum that says when i am no longer cognizant kill me and that's happened

00:11:30.260 right and then do you know what happens when that goes wrong there's a case over in denmark this is

00:11:34.200 a great case it's actually the first story i tell my book because it just shows right off the bat

00:11:37.740 what is wrong with this so this elderly woman made an advance request because she knew she was going

00:11:42.400 to be developing dementia. It's a very public case. Daily Mail reported it. It's been reported

00:11:46.640 now since like the 26th, 17, 18. And what happened was, so she went to meet with her doctor and her

00:11:53.260 doctor gave her a coffee with a sedative in it and didn't tell her, okay? Because she was going

00:11:57.380 in and out. Her family brought her. And they were mating her that day. They were going to murder her

00:12:02.520 that day. So they lie her down and they start the procedure. Well, guess who comes to halfway 0.72

00:12:06.420 through the procedure and realizes, I don't want to die. I don't want to die. You know what the

00:12:11.100 doctor did, requested the family hold her down to finish the procedure, and they complied.

00:12:19.840 Because that's what we're talking about here, which is that is such a monumental decision that

00:12:26.260 even if you're certain at a certain point, even if you're like, I want to die, it's such a strong

00:12:33.420 impulse. The strongest impulse within us as human beings is to live. It's to survive.

00:12:39.740 So it's an almost impossible decision to make, isn't it?

00:12:43.260 Yes, and that's my problem with it is what...

00:12:46.140 OK, so when we're looking at societal factors,

00:12:48.480 when we're talking about this situation specifically,

00:12:51.380 at the time that she decided to make that choice,

00:12:53.780 because we had this case just happen in BC last year too,

00:12:55.820 and we'll talk about it.

00:12:56.460 Her name is Mrs. B. It's a whole thing.

00:12:58.040 There's a whole bunch of coercion that was just found

00:13:00.000 in the Ontario Coroner Report,

00:13:01.380 where there's several cases where people did not qualify to die

00:13:04.260 or were coarsed into dying, OK?

00:13:06.220 And this isn't me.

00:13:06.840 this is the Ontario coroner report reported by Dr. Ramona Coelho. She's out of Ontario. She's on

00:13:10.800 the May Death Review Committee. Brilliant human. Very smart. Okay. Now, tons of cases, but this 1.00

00:13:17.300 case specifically, the doctor was deemed to do, she didn't get in trouble. They said in the court,

00:13:23.480 you know what? She did what she was supposed to do. You're telling me that you're asking a family

00:13:27.140 member to physically hold down their loved one while they inject them to death. What we're

00:13:31.280 talking about in a society is not are we killing the wrong people it's that we are telling people

00:13:37.540 when we deem based on either slow drip manipulation of you're going to be a burden you're going to be

00:13:44.360 expensive you don't want to have to change my diapers we don't want to be difficult for you

00:13:48.400 and I don't want to live in that state but we don't know the mindset that we're going to be in

00:13:52.560 in that state I have known and I guess people will say well this is anecdotal okay cool but

00:13:57.240 like still stories of people who said, I actually applied to MAID. After I started doing this work

00:14:03.720 in 2020, the amount of emails I get on a daily base saying I applied for MAID, and then I found

00:14:10.100 out and thought deeper about what it was asking of me, and why am I not good enough to look after?

00:14:15.680 Society's telling me that I am so much of a burden and will be, and even if I've told myself,

00:14:20.740 why am I not into a system I've already paid millions of dollars good enough to look after?

00:14:27.240 What about palliative care?

00:14:28.460 Why is that being defunded?

00:14:30.120 Why can't I have the double blind as I lose my life?

00:14:32.220 Do you know what the double blind is?

00:14:33.380 No.

00:14:33.760 Okay, so the double blind, I talked to Dr. Joel Zivett about this.

00:14:36.520 He's the main doctor that came out with the research,

00:14:39.680 the post-mortem research around lethal injection patients

00:14:43.440 and what happens with the drugs in America when you euthanize somebody, okay?

00:14:47.760 He did the post-mortem autopsy, the largest one in history, over 200 patients.

00:14:51.520 And he was looking at sodium thiopental.

00:14:54.020 Now, let me be clear, Canada does not use sodium thiopental.

00:14:56.620 We use other drugs similar to this that cause the same sort of pulmonary edema in the lungs when you when you utilize them in the body.

00:15:04.180 OK, what's a pulmonary?

00:15:05.780 It's basically where your lungs explode.

00:15:07.020 The tiny little sacs like pulmonary edema like it's you just your lungs explode inside and you can hear the gargling and you drown.

00:15:13.260 That's so he testified to this, OK, in the Senate in Canada.

00:15:16.640 And that was the clip that went viral in Jordan Peterson, where I read the piece of paper and I read verbatim what this Senate testimony was.

00:15:23.480 It was from Dr. Joel Zivin.

00:15:25.000 He's the head of Emory State University.

00:15:27.060 He's the head of critical care and anesthesiology.

00:15:29.000 He did this independent research to look at the lungs of patients

00:15:32.380 or victims or prisoners, call them whatever you want,

00:15:36.280 who were euthanized through the lethal injection program.

00:15:38.840 And over 80% of them showed heavy lungs.

00:15:41.260 And that is indicative of waterboarding or drowning to death

00:15:43.880 and only can happen during the procedure.

00:15:47.040 It's not a pre or a post.

00:15:48.820 This is during.

00:15:50.160 But we give you a paralytic and we paralyze you first.

00:15:52.760 So we can't tell it's happening.

00:15:54.340 You can just hear gargling.

00:15:55.360 and is that what is what do you experience do we know what you experience when you are

00:16:02.380 being given that medication well we don't because the dead don't talk

00:16:06.140 like when nobody comes back and it was like it actually wasn't that bad

00:16:10.340 like but are there some people who may have who have experienced it or able to talk for a little

00:16:17.420 bit and then die do you see what i mean no they can't because they're they're under a paralytic

00:16:21.300 So their larynx, nothing works.

00:16:23.720 And their lungs are full.

00:16:24.540 And their lungs are full.

00:16:25.360 So Kelsey, what are you really saying?

00:16:27.080 See, this comes back to our moral discussion and the real question here.

00:16:31.400 Some of the things you're describing are absolutely horrific, and I think everyone would agree on that.

00:16:35.120 But a lot of them are kind of more implementation side of things, right?

00:16:38.420 Kind of.

00:16:39.240 Aren't they?

00:16:40.160 Yeah, like from the physical component of the actual procedure, yes.

00:16:43.460 So are you saying that there should be no programs that allow people to have the option to take their own life?

00:16:50.440 So this is the double blind conversation that we were just going to have.

00:16:52.860 Okay.

00:16:53.100 So the double blind is essentially where if you're in a palliative care facility or a hospice where you are on your way out, we already know you're going to pass.

00:17:00.600 They'll go to you and they'll say, and I've had several nurses and doctors and say, can I do it all the time?

00:17:05.420 Okay.

00:17:06.240 They'll go to you and say, so-and-so is exhibiting more and more physical pain.

00:17:10.260 And we obviously don't want that.

00:17:11.840 So let me be very clear.

00:17:12.660 I don't want anyone to be in that kind of pain.

00:17:15.340 That being said, I want people to have actual free will and consent and understanding as to

00:17:20.860 what they are doing. And most do not, because this program has been highlighted as some

00:17:25.120 beautiful way to end grandma's life. And it's such bullshit. And I'm so tired of it. 1.00

00:17:30.160 The double blind looks like this. Constantine, Frances, grandma's over there suffering.

00:17:36.140 We're going to increase her morphine. Okay. We're going to increase her morphine so much

00:17:41.020 that there's a good chance her heart rate's going to slow

00:17:43.240 and her breathing's going to get more shallow.

00:17:45.860 And as we kind of do that, there's a good chance

00:17:48.100 she's going to go into cardiac failure or a rest

00:17:50.600 or she's just going to stop breathing.

00:17:53.100 We're not going to intervene at that point

00:17:54.960 if you guys suggest we don't.

00:17:56.740 We want her to be comfortable

00:17:57.900 and she will pass almost like an overdose 0.88

00:18:00.300 and then we'll wait and then we'll check her pulse

00:18:04.500 and then we'll declare a death.

00:18:06.360 Okay?

00:18:06.900 Why can't we do that?

00:18:08.300 Why can't we do that?

00:18:09.800 Why?

00:18:10.340 Why?

00:18:10.640 Why not?

00:18:11.380 Oh, it's because Health Canada has decided

00:18:13.240 that we should defund palliative care facilities

00:18:15.120 and hospices if you refuse to do MAID in them.

00:18:18.040 Delta Hospice Society, 30 minutes from me, okay? 0.91

00:18:21.120 Angelina Ireland, she spoke on a bunch of shows about it.

00:18:23.240 She was an actual palliative care patient

00:18:25.080 with like a terminal illness in this facility.

00:18:27.740 Got better.

00:18:28.800 There's the key right there.

00:18:29.760 Got better.

00:18:30.680 Healed from something we don't heal from.

00:18:32.920 Came out and decided, I'm going to run this place

00:18:35.460 because I can run it better.

00:18:37.000 And did.

00:18:37.940 And then when Health Canada came to her and said, 0.60

00:18:40.060 you need to start providing MAID. She said, no, on religious grounds, which is supposed to be

00:18:44.540 legal in Canada. But now people are suing hospitals, Catholic and Christian and Jewish

00:18:49.080 facilities saying, if you don't do MAID, we're coming after you. And so they pulled her funding

00:18:53.620 to the tune of like over $20 million and she lost the facility. So the difference between

00:18:59.820 increasing the morphine. Yes. And passing away. You're pro that. I, yeah, I think it's acceptable.

00:19:05.900 This is my thing. People think I'm so hard-lined on this. There is nuance to this, but I've never

00:19:11.800 been really been able to dive into that. That's like when...

00:19:15.640 Well, I think you are hard-lined, but I'm just trying to find out where the line is that you go

00:19:19.320 hard on, right? And that's kind of the important bit here. So the difference between giving

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00:19:30.080 but B, also because of my...

00:19:30.940 We know it's going to help her pass away, yes.

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00:21:05.020 So the protocol that's been designed by CanMap,

00:21:07.920 which, just to be very clear,

00:21:08.880 was designed by a doctor who doesn't... 0.98

00:21:10.560 We can't study killing because that's eugenics. 1.00

00:21:12.400 We can't study how to kill people, 1.00

00:21:13.720 so don't tell me you know what you're doing

00:21:14.960 because it's not an exact science.

00:21:16.860 We don't measure the pain center of the brain

00:21:18.440 when somebody's being euthanized,

00:21:19.620 so we don't know for a fact that they're not feeling it.

00:21:21.520 We just know they're paralyzed, can't scream,

00:21:23.260 can't move and ask for help.

00:21:24.480 That's what we do know.

00:21:25.600 That is fact.

00:21:26.740 Okay.

00:21:27.200 We do know that these drugs do cause issues.

00:21:30.900 We know that.

00:21:31.340 That is fact.

00:21:31.960 When they're given in the dosages that they are, propofol, recronium, all of these drugs,

00:21:35.840 we know they do have a potential to go haywire in the body because you're poisoning someone

00:21:41.020 to death.

00:21:42.240 That's a fact.

00:21:43.640 What do we know about morphine?

00:21:44.740 When you overdose somebody, they pass away.

00:21:46.820 We know that.

00:21:47.780 When you give somebody potassium chloride, their heart stops.

00:21:50.200 We know that.

00:21:51.320 Why aren't we doing that?

00:21:52.820 Why aren't we doing that?

00:21:53.720 Great question.

00:21:54.260 because it's a lot easier when you have an organization

00:21:57.300 who has been looked at since 1997

00:22:00.560 to not only just control a population,

00:22:05.080 to get rid of the burdens and the difficult ones,

00:22:07.120 and you have them weasel their way into healthcare systems

00:22:10.100 and hospitals and government and say,

00:22:12.400 forget even doing healthcare.

00:22:14.340 This is going to save you $1.273 trillion

00:22:16.980 over the next 20 years if you do it instead of providing that.

00:22:19.660 But you could still do it with morphine, right?

00:22:21.460 Yeah, but the thing is,

00:22:22.180 you're not going to make the same amount of money

00:22:23.280 and they're not going to do it with morphine.

00:22:25.000 They want a different protocol.

00:22:26.580 They want to make sure it's done a certain way

00:22:28.380 because there's an argument around overdosing in organs, right?

00:22:31.540 And not with these drugs.

00:22:33.180 So it's no coincidence that prior to MAID moving on from track one

00:22:38.940 to now all the vulnerable population of the country,

00:22:41.780 that they were having the argument that as a MAID practitioner,

00:22:45.380 we got to stop calling them these people, they're serial killers

00:22:48.020 because they've killed more than two in a row.

00:22:49.860 when we talk about it they weren't allowed to bring up the organ donation now it's the first

00:22:55.200 conversation they have you know it'd be really great if you could just give your liver you know

00:23:00.480 that'd be great because the next person in line is going to get one so wouldn't that be helpful

00:23:04.560 if you did that do you think the organ donation is not a massive part of this conversation holy

00:23:08.540 hell Canada's organ donation rates are skyrocketing right now you think what you're saying is if you

00:23:13.480 give someone a morphine overdose it damages their organ so we don't know that so here's the thing is

00:23:17.660 We know that normally when somebody overdoses, their body's going to shut down in a specific way.

00:23:21.480 But when you do it in a very organized manner, like made is supposedly done in a hospital,

00:23:27.160 they're wheeled in very quickly and chopped up for parts.

00:23:31.460 Okay, we know that.

00:23:32.500 We know, I talked to Joel Zivett about this a couple weeks ago.

00:23:34.800 I said, so what's the deal with the lungs then, right?

00:23:36.580 Because lungs are an expensive part of the body.

00:23:38.840 Is this shutting down the rest?

00:23:40.220 He goes, you know, there are machines, he goes, there are machines that you put the lungs into right away

00:23:44.300 that will help reheal them, and then you put them into somebody.

00:23:47.660 right? Okay. But the liver's still great. The kidneys are still great. The eyes are still

00:23:52.640 great. The skin's still great. All the other organs are very functional. Do we think it's

00:23:56.240 a coincidence that all of a sudden hearts started going from Canada down to America

00:23:59.340 out of nowhere? Do we think it's a coincidence that all of a sudden organs in terms of donations

00:24:03.760 are skyrocketing in British Columbia at all? No, it's not because BC is one of the highest

00:24:07.420 maid rates in the country. So it goes Quebec, Ontario, BC. What correlates all of those?

00:24:14.080 hard-left liberal voters who are all whites, who are all elderly. Median age is roughly around 70

00:24:19.980 to a little bit higher. But that's only because we only allowed it for track one for so long,

00:24:24.520 and now we've moved on to track two. So here's my other argument, right? I agree with you.

00:24:28.640 If somebody is suffering, they should have the right to die. I'm not discounting that.

00:24:33.600 But it isn't health care or free will, okay, if the only option for healing and passing away

00:24:40.500 is MAID and not palliative care, not hospice, not actual cancer treatment, not sitting on a

00:24:47.440 wait list to the tune of 23,000 people a year dying and over half a million walking out of ERs.

00:24:52.660 Is that actual healthcare if you can't see a surgeon within an acceptable amount of time to

00:24:56.160 stop the cancer? Is it free will when you don't fully understand how the system works? Because

00:25:00.860 here's the thing about CanMap, they're a charity, right? So Health Canada came in and bought the

00:25:05.560 protocol, the IP, to how the maid doctors are educated and trained in the country. But they 0.96

00:25:12.080 won't show it to us, even though the taxpayers paid for it. So we don't know what's being taught

00:25:15.420 to our doctors at the College of Physicians. We don't know what the protocol is. We don't know

00:25:18.860 how they're assessing. We do know they have a closed conference that happens once a year. There's

00:25:22.520 one coming up at the end of April in Montreal, where they all sit around and talk about how

00:25:26.420 they're going to expand the option to die. So if it was truly, if it was truly, and I mean this

00:25:33.540 genuinely grandma is suffering we'd be having a very different conversation right now because

00:25:38.300 when i first started this work i was the same way you are i have a 30 higher chance of dementia and

00:25:43.500 alzheimer's due to my head injury a lot of us do food factors lifestyle all of it but just from

00:25:48.140 blast exposure right just take that i know cognitively there's an option where at a certain

00:25:53.500 point i might want to check out i am very okay with that idea i've been suicidal for 10 years

00:25:58.760 You've heard my story before.

00:26:00.500 But here's the thing.

00:26:02.840 Why didn't it stop there?

00:26:05.380 Why hasn't it stopped there across the globe?

00:26:07.940 Why are we killing kids in Europe?

00:26:10.280 Why in the 2023 Ahmed report from the Parliamentary Government of Canada

00:26:14.260 are we suggesting that we euthanize down to the age of 12?

00:26:17.460 And why is the College of Physicians in 2025 suggesting we start euthanizing 0 to 1?

00:26:21.800 If this is just about grandma.

00:26:23.260 And I heard this, wasn't there a story just now that was this 26-year-old guy?

00:26:27.980 He had depression and diabetes.

00:26:30.420 Yeah, so Keanu, his mom is Margaret.

00:26:32.980 She is in Ontario, lovely family.

00:26:35.240 They reached out to me a few years ago

00:26:36.420 when Keanu was 22 years old

00:26:38.560 and he was qualified from a doctor named Dr. Tepper

00:26:42.500 from Maid House because we have killing facilities.

00:26:45.040 Qualified, you mean he was approved to...

00:26:46.940 Yeah, he was approved by Dr. Tepper at Maid House,

00:26:49.580 which is a location where they have one in Victoria

00:26:51.560 and they have one in Toronto

00:26:52.520 and all you do is you roll your people in and they die.

00:26:55.320 That's all it is.

00:26:55.880 And he was approved because he had depression?

00:26:58.100 He had seasonal depression.

00:26:59.660 So he had diabetes type 1.

00:27:01.060 So he was starting to lose some of his vision, but was still functioning.

00:27:03.620 He had other comorbidities that weren't being looked at.

00:27:05.920 He had other mental health issues.

00:27:07.580 He had a lot of drug use.

00:27:09.560 He had a significant lead up.

00:27:11.760 I know this mother intimately.

00:27:13.620 I know quite a bit about this.

00:27:15.940 And the saddest part was he needed health care.

00:27:20.780 He needed proper psychiatric help regularly.

00:27:23.380 He needed more effort, more time being put into.

00:27:26.980 He's been diabetic his whole life.

00:27:28.560 So then if diabetes is so hard to die from, why was he not euthanized at six?

00:27:32.160 It was such a problem, right?

00:27:33.880 Mental health, other factors started coming in.

00:27:35.740 Seasonal depression coming in.

00:27:36.760 If you live in Vancouver, you're always depressed.

00:27:38.320 So I get it.

00:27:39.480 But the real truth is he was type one diabetic with seasonal depression, okay?

00:27:44.800 And he was euthanized when he had a mental health background that was already problematic.

00:27:53.260 Did he request it?

00:27:55.460 Yes.

00:27:56.060 He did.

00:27:56.400 He did request it.

00:27:57.140 Over the age of 18, you can request it, right?

00:28:00.140 But that's not the point that matters.

00:28:02.700 The point that matters is he wasn't being given proper treatment, proper health care, a proper protocol, and a support network that is supposed to be the gold standard of the world.

00:28:12.080 And the first thing they gave him, and the reason he wasn't killed in 2022, is because his mother went to the media and the doctor freaked out.

00:28:19.240 So if you believe in your heart of hearts as one of these doctors that what you're doing is helping people, why would you stop them?

00:28:25.740 Why'd you stop?

00:28:26.580 Why'd you pull back if we exposed your name?

00:28:28.660 Because you know deep down what you're doing is wrong.

00:28:30.660 Or at least you had some moral and you just didn't want to be judged for it.

00:28:33.620 So Dr. Tepper said, nope, I'm not doing it.

00:28:35.820 Okay?

00:28:36.820 2025 comes around.

00:28:38.400 And here's your problem in Canada.

00:28:40.320 You can doctor shop.

00:28:42.240 And you can definitely do it in the States.

00:28:43.500 We'll talk about that too.

00:28:44.660 But you can doctor shop.

00:28:45.820 So if you can't find two assessors in Ontario to do it,

00:28:48.040 you can definitely find them somewhere else.

00:28:49.440 And if you come to BC, Ellen Wiebe is just waiting for you.

00:28:52.520 So we know that.

00:28:54.840 So if it's the fact that somebody needs to die and is actually terminal,

00:28:58.280 you shouldn't have to doctor shop your way to convince somebody

00:29:00.340 that you should be qualifying.

00:29:01.620 You just shouldn't.

00:29:02.500 And also, if you have a mental health background,

00:29:04.740 whether it's depression or bipolar or schizophrenia or PTSD or any of these,

00:29:08.400 this should just stop you right off the bat.

00:29:10.400 And you should be assessed by a psychiatrist, a psychologist,

00:29:14.160 but that's not who does the assessment.

00:29:15.980 It's a GP or a nurse practitioner.

00:29:18.100 It's not a trained psychotherapist

00:29:20.760 to look at the background, right?

00:29:22.440 And so here's how it happened.

00:29:24.380 He found out he doctor shopped himself

00:29:26.400 to Dr. Ellen Wiebe

00:29:27.260 out of the Willow Clinic in Vancouver.

00:29:29.220 It's very known.

00:29:30.100 Everybody's, she's been all the National Post.

00:29:32.080 She brags about it all the time.

00:29:33.220 It's the best work I've ever done.

00:29:34.540 She talked to Liz Carr in the UK about it

00:29:35.980 and the BBC doc.

00:29:37.060 And it was terrifying. 0.99

00:29:38.320 I love killing. 0.92

00:29:38.980 It's the best work I've ever done. 0.98

00:29:40.160 I mean, she's been doing abortions for 40 years. 1.00

00:29:41.780 So like all she does is kill. 0.91

00:29:43.220 And I did the math on that. 1.00

00:29:44.160 She's made millions of dollars of Ending Lives for 40 years, okay?

00:29:47.600 This is, like, her own words, very verifiable public documentation.

00:29:53.020 Not saying anything that's not already out there.

00:29:55.460 And she's, like, in her 70s.

00:29:56.780 And she goes, I'll never stop.

00:29:57.620 It's the greatest work I've ever done.

00:29:58.760 That just screams red flags to me, just personally.

00:30:02.040 So he gets to Ellen.

00:30:03.700 Ellen qualifies him.

00:30:05.380 Doesn't ask for his medical background. 0.99

00:30:06.860 Doesn't ask for his mental health stuff.

00:30:08.740 And then Keanu doesn't tell his family.

00:30:11.820 Gets on a plane out to BC, okay?

00:30:13.660 in December. And it's really sad because this is a 26-year-old kid who felt like he had no help,

00:30:24.800 no support, even though his mother was the most attentive. Like, I know this family. She was like

00:30:28.720 single mom to that kid was like her, you know, diabetes, like always worried, always trying to

00:30:33.620 protect him. And she couldn't protect him from Ellen. And he doctor shopped there. He said, 0.98

00:30:38.820 yeah, no, she said, no problem. She wrote the prescription. I have the receipts for the

00:30:43.740 prescriptions. He went and picked them up by himself, bought his drugs, okay? Went to an Uber,

00:30:49.000 grabbed his drugs, Ubered himself over to a funeral home, and was killed in a funeral home

00:30:55.040 by Ellen Wiebe on December 30th, 2025, with no family, with nothing else. And then I decided to

00:31:01.860 call said funeral home, and I made a video about it, and I put it on my Instagram. Just set up my

00:31:06.380 phone in the studio. And I said, I wonder if they will just be honest about it. So I called and

00:31:11.320 it's called, it's like KIRU, K-I-R-U or something, R-R-I-O. They're in Vancouver. And you can, 0.73

00:31:17.620 you can watch it. It's like a two minute clip. And I say, hi, I'm just calling because I'd like

00:31:21.160 to ask about, I heard that you guys can do made here. And they go, oh, actually, yeah, we can.

00:31:26.700 What's your name? And I was hesitant to give my name because I was like, oh, I don't know if they

00:31:29.920 know. My name is Kelsey. They're like, oh, hi, Kelsey. Yeah, we can absolutely do that. We have

00:31:34.880 two packages for you, actually. We have one where it's about $300, where the doctor will come and

00:31:40.460 do it. And we can even handle the procedure and the cremation on site for you too. This took a

00:31:46.080 total of two minutes for me to organize a killing in a funeral home. What? It's easier to order

00:31:56.580 pizza. I can order pizza the same time I just ordered that. Do you understand? And they said

00:32:01.880 That was maxed was $4.95.

00:32:04.040 The more I hear about this, the more it seems to me that it's just about money.

00:32:09.480 A lot of it is.

00:32:10.360 And the fact that it's, like you said, it's like ordering a pizza.

00:32:14.320 It's a service that you can get over a phone that takes literal minutes.

00:32:19.700 To set up that.

00:32:20.640 But now people will argue, and this is going to be the pushback,

00:32:22.820 so let me push back before it even starts.

00:32:25.520 I understand made seems hard to get.

00:32:27.940 but not if you ask friends of mine

00:32:30.060 like Roger Foley or Kayla Pollack

00:32:31.900 or Alicia Duncan's mom

00:32:33.400 the amount of people

00:32:35.140 who have been mated

00:32:36.620 and done two assessments like that

00:32:39.440 and are fine

00:32:40.780 and then mated and off

00:32:42.220 and they're gone

00:32:43.180 it's astronomical

00:32:44.420 you don't get to almost

00:32:46.280 we're about to crush

00:32:47.300 I don't know when this is coming out

00:32:48.420 but we're about to hit

00:32:49.400 100,000 deaths in Canada

00:32:52.980 between April and June

00:32:54.100 by the end of this calendar year of 2026

00:32:55.960 we're going to get 110,000 people we've killed

00:32:57.680 and just to put into perspective 0.98

00:32:59.660 when the Germans

00:33:02.560 not the Holocaust 0.72

00:33:03.500 not even the Holocaust 0.76

00:33:04.260 not even the Holocaust

00:33:05.180 not even saying the word 0.94

00:33:06.040 the Holocaust

00:33:06.360 when the Germans went in

00:33:07.960 they euthanized 0.97

00:33:10.460 the mentally ill 1.00

00:33:11.200 and the disabled 0.96

00:33:11.660 German population

00:33:13.000 all of World War II

00:33:14.480 200,000 people

00:33:15.320 were less than 10 years

00:33:16.920 and when you talk about it

00:33:19.720 I just see parallels as well

00:33:21.460 with the medicalization

00:33:23.100 of children

00:33:23.980 in the trans movement

00:33:25.160 this is

00:33:25.780 oh I'm so glad

00:33:26.720 you brought that up

00:33:27.260 Okay, so this is where the morality stuff

00:33:30.380 starts to bother me, right?

00:33:31.500 And this is where I get squawky about it.

00:33:33.500 I agree, grandma's passing away,

00:33:35.360 we should be able to give her morphine.

00:33:36.800 I mean, we probably shouldn't do it illegally

00:33:38.760 in a state that doesn't do it legally

00:33:40.980 and be Gavin Newsom

00:33:42.080 and then admit to killing his mom illegally.

00:33:44.280 We probably shouldn't do that,

00:33:45.420 but he wrote about it in a book,

00:33:46.400 so I'm going to say it out loud,

00:33:47.380 because he did.

00:33:48.060 He admitted to killing his mom illegally,

00:33:49.700 but nothing's going to happen there,

00:33:50.740 so whatever.

00:33:52.300 We also had another doctor,

00:33:54.740 it was Ontario, Quebec, a couple days ago,

00:33:57.020 Just get a four-month suspension

00:33:58.540 because he mated three people

00:33:59.940 and didn't tell the government about it.

00:34:01.640 Yeah, that's totally fine, right?

00:34:03.140 Or like Kenneth Law,

00:34:04.080 who got a hold of maid drugs

00:34:05.080 and put them on Amazon

00:34:05.860 and is responsible for several deaths

00:34:07.960 across the globe. 0.95

00:34:09.060 Ah, semantics, right, Kels?

00:34:11.620 It's totally fine.

00:34:12.880 So this is the problem.

00:34:14.420 Grandma, sure, right, cool.

00:34:16.340 But why are we doing it early?

00:34:17.800 Great case, Mrs. B, okay, British Columbia. 0.98

00:34:20.400 She had applied for maid 0.92

00:34:21.520 and she was in her, 0.73

00:34:23.620 I think she was like later end of life.

00:34:25.500 Her husband had caregiver syndrome, just exhaustion.

00:34:28.940 He couldn't do it anymore.

00:34:30.540 And during the assessment, she actually came to and she goes, you know, actually, based

00:34:34.700 on my religion, I've decided I don't want to do this anymore.

00:34:36.860 I don't want to do it anymore.

00:34:38.400 She was killed the same day.

00:34:40.220 And I'm hearing that and I'm thinking it is surely only a matter of time before this gets

00:34:45.280 blown wide open.

00:34:46.700 And we talk about money again, but people are going to start getting sued, particularly

00:34:50.700 in a country as litigious as the United States. 0.97

00:34:53.580 Well, and so, you know, for example, Ellen Wiebe, I believe, has two criminal cases right now.

00:34:57.580 I was involved in one of the ones getting the family member stopped because she was going to be killed in the 11th hour.

00:35:02.920 And we were able to get a judge involved in British Columbia to stop that because she was approved on one Zoom session, even though she was bipolar cycling, too.

00:35:10.160 She's doctor shopped. She had akathasia.

00:35:12.000 OK, this is what Jordan Peterson made famous with the withdrawal stuff.

00:35:14.800 She had akathasia from a benzo.

00:35:17.440 We're still in touch with her husband all the time.

00:35:19.860 She's no longer with us, but we were able to stop it at the time.

00:35:22.220 doctors can't be charged in Canada the way that the new law works. But in Alberta, they're working

00:35:26.980 on a new law right now. It's going to come out in the next couple of weeks. They're going to

00:35:29.620 announce it. They've told me I can talk about it. It's essentially going to put a stop to track too.

00:35:33.760 Okay. So it's going to keep terminally ill. What you're arguing is like, grandma says she'll have

00:35:36.900 the right to die. But then the question becomes in society, what happens when we just start to

00:35:41.460 slow drip grandma at her Bible meetings and at her church meetings and at, you know, her doctor's

00:35:47.360 appointments and we start going, isn't it just getting hard? Isn't it getting difficult to just

00:35:52.880 your children to show up and, and, you know, look after you all the time? Are you having a hard time

00:35:57.240 walking and eating? Are you just tired? Don't you think that maybe it's just time to, time to go?

00:36:03.320 We're slow tripping a narrative here. Apple TV, they did a whole episode on Dignitas in Switzerland.

00:36:08.920 There was a whole TV show filmed in BC called Mary Kills People about a rogue doctor going

00:36:12.600 around euthanizing people. Do you think this is by accident? This is not by accident. This is

00:36:17.340 not a one-off where there's been a wrongful case. The Ontario Coroner Report found over 400 cases

00:36:24.460 in one province of non-compliance. That's just what's reported. This is a self-reporting system.

00:36:30.660 The doctors self-report, okay? So what if something goes wrong? They just don't have to say it.

00:36:36.020 It just took a little longer to kill. So America, you think that it would be like that, but America

00:36:40.900 has been mating people since 94 and 97. Nobody knows about this. Certain states have been doing

00:36:46.640 in. And you've just expanded to New York. So you now have 13 states, one jurisdiction, right? So

00:36:51.740 who's responsible for that? Because you would think that, you know, I talked to people in the

00:36:55.100 United States State Department, they had no clue. What do you mean you have no clue? Why do I have

00:36:58.380 a clue you don't have a clue? That's crazy. It's because you have a group called Compassion and

00:37:02.300 Choices and the Final Exit Network. And these two groups are mammoths. They are $33 to $35 million

00:37:10.020 organizations who have now partnered publicly with the Rabin Group. Do you know who the Rabin Group

00:37:14.420 is. They are the social engineering groups of the big conglomerates of the globe. Think Bill Gates

00:37:21.560 Foundation. They work with them. The Obama Foundation. They work with them. The BLMs,

00:37:25.240 the BIPOCs, all of those, you know, the huge, hard, hard, crazy protests you see. Who do you

00:37:31.400 think socially engineers that language? And I watched. I watched the whole video. It was crazy.

00:37:36.740 It's totally public, by the way. Compassion and Choices laid out their plan to 2028. And they

00:37:41.500 brought in the person from the Rabin Group to talk about how even though Florida doesn't have

00:37:45.100 a bill on the table right now, legislatively, they're going to go in and start slow-dripping

00:37:49.420 people in those pockets. Why? Because it's very elderly there. That's why Arizona has a new bill.

00:37:54.460 There's 18 bills, actually, for expansion. And they have laid out their plan until 2028 to expand

00:37:59.400 so that over 50% of the American population lives in a state where they can get track one death.

00:38:04.260 But then it brings me to Colorado, okay? Colorado, love that place. They legalize a lot of stuff.

00:38:09.140 legalize a lot of things guys yeah but what about the young girl that had anorexia who was mated

00:38:15.840 because a doctor decided to change the terminology and say terminal anorexia and she was killed with

00:38:23.700 it what about the person who had the longest death on record that we currently have in america of 137

00:38:30.120 hours to die after ingesting poison how peaceful is that so it's like there are significant amount

00:38:36.420 of these cases. But when you talk about it right now and the amount of locations that actually have

00:38:41.020 this, this isn't like, you know, when I go do all the other shows, like, oh, of course, it's the

00:38:44.500 left. It's those are the left states. I said, really? What about Georgia's new bill? What about

00:38:49.800 all these other new bills that are not left states? What about Arizona? That doesn't feel

00:38:54.040 very left to me. It feels very elderly to me because America's only track one. And as all

00:38:59.900 of the legislators in America and state senators have stated, we just need to get the bill through

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00:40:39.640 Well, actually, I was going to ask you about this.

00:40:41.360 I think it might have been when we had British politician Rory Stewart on the show.

00:40:45.780 He talked about the fact, I think it was on our show, maybe it was on someone else's show,

00:40:50.140 that I'm probably going to get the number slightly off,

00:40:53.400 but the gist of it is correct.

00:40:54.700 Something like 80% of the burden to the healthcare system

00:40:59.120 comes in like literally the last five years of your life.

00:41:02.900 Yeah.

00:41:03.400 Right?

00:41:04.200 Is this what it's really about?

00:41:06.120 You've got aging populations all over the Western world 0.99

00:41:08.400 and we basically can't afford to treat people properly. 1.00

00:41:11.800 Of course.

00:41:12.560 I mean, but here's the thing, we can afford to

00:41:13.960 if we stop giving billions and billions and billions

00:41:16.180 and billions to other different governments

00:41:17.900 and other different places

00:41:19.040 and we stop, you know, flooding our country 1.00

00:41:21.440 with people who don't pay into the tax system 0.60

00:41:23.180 but only become a burden on it

00:41:24.380 because they refuse to participate or assimilate.

00:41:26.320 That's the truth, okay?

00:41:27.660 Canada's supposed to be the gold standard.

00:41:29.640 We're failing miserably.

00:41:31.320 The only way I got knee surgery last year

00:41:33.060 is because I had Gabby Reese call somebody

00:41:34.740 who called the sports team who called that person

00:41:36.260 who got me into the doctor and then I got surgery.

00:41:38.320 You think I would have got surgery in Canada?

00:41:40.200 No chance. No chance.

00:41:42.500 I would still be in a crutch right now.

00:41:44.500 So that's the truth.

00:41:45.880 We have a system and then we fired

00:41:48.100 all the doctors and nurses who no longer want to work in it.

00:41:50.480 Then we bring in all of these other people

00:41:51.860 who don't have the same healthcare standard 0.96

00:41:53.260 and are perfectly fine to accept, we'll just euthanize.

00:41:57.140 But also, why is it that 96% of the people

00:42:01.620 using Maid are white in Canada?

00:42:03.820 Why is it that 95% of people in America using it are white?

00:42:08.060 It's because other populations and societies

00:42:10.360 look after their elderly. 0.99

00:42:13.140 Grandma does at home. 1.00

00:42:14.760 You know, you're a Latino.

00:42:16.000 Your people look after your people.

00:42:17.200 Yeah, they do.

00:42:17.920 Yeah, there's no chance.

00:42:19.000 Everyone who's watching our show for the first time 0.96

00:42:21.020 is looking at Francis going, he's Latina. 1.00

00:42:23.960 Fun facts. 1.00

00:42:25.240 I'm telling secrets now.

00:42:27.000 But for real, think about it.

00:42:28.300 Of course, you're totally right.

00:42:29.340 I had this conversation with Michael.

00:42:30.500 I said, don't put me in a nursing home. 0.67

00:42:32.460 He goes, honey, I'm black. 0.86

00:42:34.420 This is your fiancé, right? 0.96

00:42:35.800 Yeah, and he goes, I'm black.

00:42:36.960 And I said, uh-huh. 0.99

00:42:37.760 And he goes, no, you'll die on the couch

00:42:39.540 with the rest of us.

00:42:40.560 We don't put you in nursing homes.

00:42:42.700 We don't exclude you from the family. 1.00

00:42:44.040 Grandma can be cranky, but she'll be cranky over there.

00:42:46.300 Do you know what I mean? 1.00

00:42:46.820 like we're not going to do that you look at the indian population that's exploding in canada the 1.00

00:42:50.840 middle eastern population they don't i mean you leave the religion they'll stone you to death 1.00

00:42:54.980 but they definitely will not they definitely won't let you die like that right so but that's

00:43:00.460 the truth canada is slightly aggressive towards its more native population and that's not even

00:43:06.800 just like white people now they're coming at like looking at indigenous expansion right they're

00:43:10.440 looking at um the mentally great mentally ill okay 2027 march of 2027 don't get me wrong there's a

00:43:16.500 bill in place right now called bill c 216 that looks at stopping the expansion in march of 2027

00:43:22.180 but this is just an you know it's been pushed it was supposed to be 2024 now it's 2027 okay

00:43:27.000 they're looking at the only qualifying factor you need is um mental illness so it's no longer a

00:43:33.820 physical thing i no longer have to be terminal and with track two you don't have to be terminal

00:43:37.260 anyway so it goes grandma track one killing grandma up here track two people like me who

00:43:42.460 look like we're fine. If we have a disability, we can, we can climb it. Irremedial and grievous

00:43:46.580 condition is what they state. So Kayla Pollack is a quadriplegic. Okay. But that was only recent

00:43:52.220 after she got a certain thing a couple of years ago. And then eight days later, she stopped moving

00:43:55.400 fully. Okay. But you know, I'm crazy. So they offer it to her when she goes into the doctor

00:44:00.380 all the time. She's never asked for it. Never once asked for it, by the way. Then you got Roger

00:44:05.120 Foley, a buddy of mine. He was just born with a degenerative disorder, but Health Canada won't

00:44:09.300 give him the funding or the government won't give him the funding to have proper at-home care.

00:44:14.420 So he has to live in London, Ontario Hospital. I have audio recordings of the doctors coming in

00:44:18.640 almost daily, offering it to him almost daily. You know, Roger, it's just, you really look like

00:44:24.220 you're struggling here, bud. Have you thought? And he'll say, don't talk to me about that. How

00:44:29.060 many times do I have to tell you? I'm not going to die, but we'll give the person who came in

00:44:33.160 who hasn't been checked, right? $86 million a year, but we won't help this guy. So it's like,

00:44:37.440 don't tell me everybody's asking for it.

00:44:39.320 They're not.

00:44:40.000 They're being offered it.

00:44:41.360 What about the veterans we exposed in 2021?

00:44:44.360 I just testified last couple months ago

00:44:46.720 at the very first veteran suicide study

00:44:48.580 in the Parliament of Canada. 0.99

00:44:50.180 They still keep bringing me in.

00:44:51.540 I don't know why.

00:44:52.440 I feel like they've learned their lesson.

00:44:53.700 They don't.

00:44:54.960 But we have over 20 veterans on record

00:44:56.860 with affidavits with me

00:44:57.940 who have been offered it instead of treatment,

00:44:59.920 even though they haven't asked for it.

00:45:00.880 Well, right.

00:45:01.160 Once you make it medically available,

00:45:03.500 I mean, why wouldn't the doctor offer it to you, right?

00:45:05.180 Right. Why wouldn't they?

00:45:06.000 So that's my point.

00:45:06.680 So grandma, people who don't actually need to die, who are just struggling financially

00:45:11.220 with homelessness, which we have records of that too, of people who are struggling with

00:45:16.880 mental illness, but that's their underlying condition, guys, not their main condition.

00:45:21.180 Let's be clear, March 2027, it's just mental illness.

00:45:24.620 So that's like all of your veterans, all of your addicts, all of your homeless, that's

00:45:28.720 like all of the seasonal depression people, I'm depressed.

00:45:32.400 Okay, cool.

00:45:33.780 So I guess my thing is, is we thought,

00:45:36.100 okay, well, if it's just grandma, then we should stop here.

00:45:38.860 It would make sense.

00:45:40.260 Yes.

00:45:40.840 But we haven't.

00:45:41.760 So then why in the 2023 AdMed report

00:45:43.840 and with SickKids Children's Hospital,

00:45:45.980 are we discussing mature minors?

00:45:49.620 Why is that part of it happening, Kelsey? 0.83

00:45:52.260 I think our society's sick.

00:45:54.880 I'm not even being facetious, guys.

00:45:56.940 I'm so, I lose sleep over this for a reason.

00:46:00.780 And we, as Canadians, don't really own our children.

00:46:05.840 We don't really have consent to our children.

00:46:07.920 The government can take our kids, right?

00:46:10.500 So what do you mean?

00:46:12.140 Okay, so like, say, like anything could happen, right?

00:46:15.780 Like, say, for example, my kid wants to transition

00:46:17.640 and they're under the age of 18. 0.99

00:46:20.340 Well, the school can block that, right?

00:46:22.360 You know, Billboard Chris talks about this a lot.

00:46:23.780 Chris Elston's a friend of mine,

00:46:24.760 and he talks about this a lot.

00:46:26.380 He's like, you guys can, they can socially transition him.

00:46:29.040 They can do all of that.

00:46:29.700 And if he really deems that kid's like, that kid deems that, you know, I'm not safe.

00:46:33.620 I want puberty blockers.

00:46:34.480 They can just, the government can remove my child from me.

00:46:37.280 Okay.

00:46:38.200 Because I no longer have parent consent.

00:46:39.720 So then Sick Kids Hospital, and again, I've got a whole package for Billy for this one.

00:46:44.880 Sick Kid Hospital states emphatically that at the age of 12, your parent consent and

00:46:50.660 ability to see your kid's medical records and make decisions is out the window.

00:46:53.540 Bye-bye.

00:46:54.280 Unless your kid says so.

00:46:55.100 So it's just ironic timing how mature minors, even though there is not legislation, have already been discussed in Parliament in the AMED report very, very, very well.

00:47:06.080 And that's the part right here where it says that the government of Canada establishes a requirement that, where appropriate, the parent or guardians of a mature minor be consulted in the course of an assessment process for MAID.

00:47:18.500 but that the will of the minor will have found to have the requisite decision-making capacity

00:47:25.520 and ultimately take priority. Parents or guardians may or may not be consulted.

00:47:33.580 So you're telling me that my 12-year-old, when mature minors is legal, because it's already

00:47:40.300 being brought up, this isn't like a maybe, it's a when, because we're in a when situation now.

00:47:46.300 Once my kid hits 12, I no longer can protect them from the government killing them if they

00:47:51.540 decide they want MAID because they're depressed. You think that's a coincidence? You think it's

00:47:55.760 coincidence that the head of the College of Physicians for the government and for the country

00:48:00.020 is saying that we should euthanize kids zero to one? You have to see this is not about killing

00:48:06.380 grandma anymore. This is about killing everybody who's inconvenient and financially a burden on 0.99

00:48:11.940 the system and to society. That's terrifying alone. Forget the numbers, forget the death count, 0.97

00:48:19.820 forget the money. We are a sick society that accepts that instead of looking after our loved

00:48:25.960 ones, our family members, even when they're difficult and it's hard and it's heartbreaking

00:48:30.680 and it's financially just disturbing when you live in Canada to try to even look after anyone,

00:48:35.800 forget someone who's sick. You're telling me we're supposed to tell them to give up and die. 0.97

00:48:42.420 That is not a healthy society.

00:48:44.520 That is not a moral argument

00:48:47.180 anybody can have with me after track one.

00:48:50.240 You go after track one,

00:48:51.920 you and I will never agree

00:48:53.600 because that's telling me 0.99

00:48:55.480 that we should tell everyone to give up and die. 0.95

00:48:58.080 We used to have suicide, 0.95

00:48:59.060 used to be like the main thing we focused on stopping.

00:49:01.940 Now we're promoting it like it's no problem.

00:49:05.400 We're doing same day deaths in Canada.

00:49:07.840 Yes, you know this?

00:49:09.920 Oh yeah, we're fun people.

00:49:12.900 So you can't see a pediatrician, an orthodontist, a dentist, an eye doctor.

00:49:18.860 You can't go to the ER.

00:49:20.700 Their average waiting time is 13 to 18 hours.

00:49:23.480 But you can have made within 24 hours as track one with assessors, you can be killed by the same day.

00:49:30.300 And we have tons of it on record.

00:49:32.560 Over 200 of them, actually.

00:49:34.800 Kelsey, how much of this, because we've looked at the financial aspect of this.

00:49:38.380 again the comparisons with trans medicalizing the trans medicalization of kids it rings it just

00:49:46.880 everything that you talk about it sets alarm bells going off in my head obviously

00:49:51.600 how much of this is ideological is what i'm trying to say super ideological that's what i that's why

00:49:57.460 i'm so aggressive online there's a difference between having a conversation with somebody

00:50:02.220 about grandma dying and helping grandma pass on and protocols by the way and that are in place

00:50:09.660 that can help with that for example it's called the special access program of canada i'm actually

00:50:13.420 one of the recipients of the special act there's like 180 of us and um i wanted access to regulated

00:50:18.700 psilocybin because they wanted to give me electroshock therapy for my treatment resistant

00:50:22.660 depression and i said that sounds crazy i'm not going to do that but they said well you have to

00:50:27.300 do it before we'll give you mushrooms. And I went, no. So anyway, I got approved long and short for

00:50:32.480 the majority of people. And I mean, high 90% don't get approved, but it is specifically that program

00:50:37.720 is designed for terminally ill. It is designed for the terminally ill to help them transition

00:50:42.060 out of life, to sit with activated, regulated psilocybin in a structured set and setting to

00:50:46.960 help them cope with coming to the end. But we don't allow that you have to go. That's one of

00:50:52.460 the most difficult programs to go and it takes thousands and thousands of thousands of dollars

00:50:57.420 and medical records and lawyers to help you get it the average canadian can't get access to that

00:51:01.540 but we have it we just say no no no no it's too hard to get so you don't get it but we can give

00:51:06.860 you made in the same day if you're terminally ill no problem so like it is a it's a societal issue

00:51:14.640 where we have picked the fastest exit ramp the most efficient exit ramp and we have started to

00:51:21.220 slow roll it into our culture. So like on Twitter, people hate me. I don't care, but they hate me

00:51:27.300 because my pushback is they say, well, my grandfather was dying and he was very painful.

00:51:33.120 It was one of the most peaceful things we've ever seen. And I thought to myself, you understand

00:51:37.800 you're talking about a doctor who you're supposed to trust coming in, killing a loved one,

00:51:46.040 sitting around while it's happening and acting like that's okay. It wasn't like he was dying

00:51:51.000 they were doing CPR and you just couldn't get them, couldn't get them back. That's traumatic too.

00:51:57.840 But the amount of families I sit with who say, Kelsey, it was one of the most horrific experiences

00:52:02.160 I've ever witnessed. The person looked peaceful, so I'm glad they're not in pain anymore.

00:52:06.580 But something inside just kept saying, this is wrong. This is wrong. Doctors are supposed to

00:52:11.760 help us. But now we're, we flipped it on his head where now we accept doctors to kill us. 0.99

00:52:17.100 And there's something fundamentally wrong with that, in my opinion.

00:52:20.700 And that's why there's things called survivor's guilt and sanctuary trauma.

00:52:24.600 Because when you have a society that's supposed to trust something as a medical staff,

00:52:28.240 that they're going to help you and heal you and do no harm.

00:52:31.080 But every time you see them or they're around, they start offering you made.

00:52:35.460 Why didn't you take it?

00:52:36.560 Why wouldn't you take it?

00:52:37.820 It'd be easier for your loved ones.

00:52:39.620 We have fundamentally slid morally.

00:52:42.440 And everybody wants me to accept it.

00:52:44.960 I won't accept it.

00:52:46.460 Because track one is grandmothers and grandfathers

00:52:49.600 and people who are days away from passing away.

00:52:54.220 Why can't they have hospice and palliates of care?

00:52:57.200 Because we defund it.

00:52:59.280 So is it free will?

00:53:01.080 Is it choice?

00:53:02.720 Is it actual health care?

00:53:04.380 If the only option on the table is death?

00:53:07.460 No.

00:53:08.560 No, it's not.

00:53:09.340 It's a funnel.

00:53:10.580 It's a funnel.

00:53:11.520 Can't get into the doctor.

00:53:13.260 Can't get drugs to help you with your pain management.

00:53:15.860 Can't get help as you're going on your end.

00:53:18.300 Ultimately, it just goes to a point, and the point is made.

00:53:21.240 It's medical murder.

00:53:22.240 That's what it is.

00:53:23.200 And then just a quick question, because this is the morality issue.

00:53:26.520 Why are we not requiring our doctors, after they kill someone,

00:53:31.840 to meet with a psychiatrist to make sure they're okay?

00:53:34.680 Because we don't.

00:53:35.820 But if I came home from overseas, or a police officer did a shooting,

00:53:38.400 the first thing we have to do is sit down and do a debrief.

00:53:41.420 After the deaths I had with the British military,

00:53:43.360 The first thing we got back to the base, we had to sit down and they go, we have to talk about what happened, walk through every step of it.

00:53:48.520 Make sure you're OK.

00:53:49.780 Make sure everyone's stories lines up and make sure that you're psychologically sound. 0.54

00:53:53.580 But then you have a doctor who's admitting to killing over a thousand people, which, by the way, just fun fact, Canada has over 2200 maid killers and assessors.

00:54:03.260 OK, now we don't know what they're being taught, again, because the IP is protected.

00:54:07.400 You can't see it unless you're a doctor and you've done the course.

00:54:10.120 We don't know what the course is.

00:54:11.020 So we don't know what they're teaching them at CanMap.

00:54:13.360 Health Canada bought a program that it's not even allowed to see.

00:54:16.860 They don't know what's being taught, but it's being ruled out to every doctor and every nurse.

00:54:20.700 Okay, so that's just one piece of the puzzle.

00:54:22.560 They don't require psych evaluations before they start becoming made assessors.

00:54:27.300 Then they also don't check with them and go, hey, maybe 350 deaths is a little much.

00:54:31.860 Maybe there should be a cap on the amount of people you can kill.

00:54:34.380 Because now we have doctors who are making their entire livings to the tunes of over $860,000 on just killing people.

00:54:43.360 So if there's an incentive to make money for you as a practitioner

00:54:47.220 doing one or two maids a day,

00:54:49.320 I mean, that's like a couple grand a day. 1.00

00:54:50.400 That's stripper money, guys. 0.95

00:54:51.660 And we're talking about financial incentives.

00:54:53.720 What we haven't addressed is the financial incentives of the family.

00:54:57.160 So I've never spoken about this,

00:54:59.280 but my mother is disabled.

00:55:01.020 My father is elderly.

00:55:03.660 Thankfully, this show is doing very well,

00:55:06.060 and I'm able to support them.

00:55:07.500 He's been able to use him, Ashton.

00:55:09.140 That's basically what is happening.

00:55:10.260 And I've never been happier.

00:55:11.200 That's such a terrible answer.

00:55:12.260 I've never been happier

00:55:13.960 I feel so bad making that joke

00:55:16.520 But it had to be done

00:55:17.540 It had to be done

00:55:19.540 The show is doing very well

00:55:22.220 Off to Switzerland

00:55:23.640 It's very expensive at Dignitas too

00:55:26.580 I know, but we pay Ryanair

00:55:28.720 So it works out cheaper

00:55:29.860 I love you guys

00:55:34.080 Anyway

00:55:35.320 But

00:55:36.740 It's a horrific thing to say

00:55:39.420 On a purely financial level for me

00:55:41.260 I wouldn't have to pay for carers

00:55:43.640 I wouldn't have to pay for cleaners

00:55:45.020 I wouldn't have to pay for people to come around

00:55:47.960 To check they're okay

00:55:48.760 I wouldn't have the worry

00:55:50.680 Of where I am now sitting here in America

00:55:52.700 Hoping that they're okay and everything's going alright

00:55:54.880 I also, guess what?

00:55:57.440 I'd be able to get a house where the mortgage is paid off

00:55:59.940 Yeah

00:56:00.280 You really thought this through, mate

00:56:02.520 There's been a deep conversation

00:56:05.060 You know, that's why

00:56:07.240 Thinking, going tick, tick, tick

00:56:09.580 Hey Kelce, we should just

00:56:10.660 I need to get on board here.

00:56:12.180 Yeah, you need to stop talking about it, is what I'm saying.

00:56:14.460 But in all seriousness, those are some very real financial incentives for people.

00:56:19.600 And we know, I mean, we do know objectively,

00:56:22.820 incentives are the most powerful force in the universe.

00:56:26.620 Right, I'm going to level with you.

00:56:28.440 I'm not a gamer, even though I look like one.

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00:57:50.420 People can argue with me all day.

00:57:52.120 They can say, well, that's conspiratorial.

00:57:53.460 We have the money, we have the...

00:57:54.680 We don't.

00:57:56.020 Our governments...

00:57:56.560 So here's the thing.

00:57:57.240 That's a failure of our society, right?

00:58:00.060 It's a failure of our society where we've made things so expensive, so difficult, so

00:58:04.240 hard to look after your loved ones.

00:58:06.140 But I mean, it could be the same.

00:58:07.100 it could be the same thing, you know, your mother had you, right? I'm sure you were expensive.

00:58:12.160 She's told me many times, right? I'm sure you were expensive. I'm sure sports or activities

00:58:16.240 while you're a bookworm. So books were expensive. You know, I'm sure, uh, the cost of living and

00:58:21.520 being an immigrant in the UK was expensive. She could have chose to probably give you up or abort 0.81

00:58:26.160 you or make all of these choices, right? This is what happens in life, my friend. Things are

00:58:32.860 expensive and our loved ones matter and we can't quit on them because of dollars do you know what

00:58:38.140 i mean like like but like truly i understand what you're saying i mean like like my the only reason

00:58:43.680 i got medical help was because american charities helped me i couldn't afford my help you know

00:58:48.720 brain treatment 20 000 here lawyers for this over here 10 grand here 20 grand here no like i can't

00:58:56.460 afford that i couldn't afford that when i was getting better i would have died and if made was

00:59:00.140 here. I've told you this before. I would have taken it. A hundred percent. Hands down. No

00:59:04.000 questions asked because I was in such a state. But that's the point. The people we're now targeting

00:59:09.400 are not grandma. They're the people who, when you are in a depression state, I'm just going to say

00:59:16.300 because there's more people in the room. If you've ever been depressed, sometimes taking a breath is

00:59:21.120 hard and making it to the end of the day is excruciating. And the idea of waking up tomorrow

00:59:26.300 is, like, you just, I can't do another day like this.

00:59:31.740 And when you're really in the depths of hell

00:59:33.440 and you sit there long enough,

00:59:35.520 anything feels like relief.

00:59:37.620 But shouldn't we be holding those people

00:59:38.960 and saying, it's going to get better, dude.

00:59:41.480 There's going to be another day tomorrow.

00:59:42.980 Let's take a look at your food.

00:59:44.520 What are you eating, man?

00:59:45.340 Are you getting out?

00:59:46.120 Have you been around your friends?

00:59:47.540 Are you secluding yourself?

00:59:48.560 Are you on Twitter?

00:59:49.460 Are you just arguing with people?

00:59:50.980 Because I argued with people for the past two days.

00:59:52.560 I got to stay away for a minute

00:59:53.680 because I just feel gross

00:59:54.760 because grossness is gross.

00:59:56.300 But it's like, but that's the truth is like, we're now talking to people who can't see past

01:00:00.960 the next day and going, but this will be better. But that's the reality. That's not like maybe

01:00:07.260 doing it. Keanu, he thought about that for years. So I understand it's expensive and I'm sure your

01:00:13.540 mother is, and your family are unbelievably grateful, but I know on the back end, you're

01:00:18.460 starting a life and you want to grow when you want to do these things. And you're like, well,

01:00:21.400 you know i feel bad but maybe it's holding me back temporarily but what held her back when you

01:00:27.540 were born right yeah so she gave then and you're giving now that's the whole point of family but

01:00:35.380 we've we've broken down what it means to be a family and a society and a healthy one at that

01:00:39.980 and we've said all that matters is this over here not the fact that she changed your diapers and woke

01:00:46.140 up in the middle of the night and take used to take you to play dates and listen to you speak

01:00:49.600 in multiple different languages, 0.99

01:00:50.880 even though you sounded like a lunatic 0.99

01:00:52.340 and you were rambling on about something 0.99

01:00:53.980 you cared deeply about, like the school system

01:00:55.700 or the yada, yada, blah, blah.

01:00:58.000 But she sat through all of that for you.

01:01:00.280 So why can't we do it to our level

01:01:01.980 and sit through that with them?

01:01:04.560 And why is it that we can get access

01:01:07.520 to the same-day death care? 1.00

01:01:09.260 But I can't get grandma a mushroom 1.00

01:01:11.500 for her to sit in her feelings, 0.84

01:01:14.240 in her thoughts with her loved ones

01:01:15.900 and going, this is going to be hard,

01:01:17.520 but we're going to be right there with you

01:01:18.860 all the way through, and we're going to have access to the right pain care and the right

01:01:22.840 medications. So yeah, you may be a little groggy, but we're going to hold your hand all the way

01:01:27.420 through. Why can't we do that? And why have we accepted that? Why have we accepted that we should

01:01:33.620 be taking our family members and giving up? Because that's what it is. That's the truth.

01:01:39.580 Look, if somebody requests it and they're 86 and they're in full compliance and understanding what

01:01:45.640 they're doing, which most aren't though, because there's always somebody whispering in the ear,

01:01:50.100 whether it's a doctor or a family member or whatever. So it's like, it can never really

01:01:52.860 be free will. I don't believe it can be. It's too baked into our society. So one of the things that

01:01:58.480 Alberta's new law is coming in that they're proposing and putting forward is stopping at

01:02:03.040 track one, like you're talking about. Stopping track two, making it so that you can't even

01:02:08.620 advertise at a hospital anymore. Because Dying with Dignity goes to the universities, the death

01:02:12.440 doula programs, right? And they do all of this. You know, they even go to churches now. I leaked

01:02:16.800 it last year. We caught them advertising made to a RCMP veteran group who are already struggling

01:02:23.900 with PTSD. Over 800 members they sent an email to. They did not like that I found that. I'm doing it

01:02:29.180 at a church. So like, what are we doing? So, you know, when I talk about the morality side of

01:02:35.960 things, of course, people want to say that grandma and grandpa have the right to die. Yeah, everybody

01:02:41.420 has the right to end their life and die. But why are we accepting it past that, right? Why are we

01:02:47.920 accepting the mentally ill? Why are we accepting the homeless and the addicts and now mature minors, 1.00

01:02:53.620 which is just a disgusting, really bad term, by the way, because legally they say down to the age

01:02:59.460 of 12. But when you actually read the fine print, age doesn't matter. It's if the assessors

01:03:04.520 deem the individual has the capacity and ability to understand the decision they're making.

01:03:11.420 What 11-year-old, friends?

01:03:13.180 Come on.

01:03:13.960 11?

01:03:14.680 What 18?

01:03:15.300 What 25-year-old?

01:03:16.640 But that's my point.

01:03:17.360 Like, it's...

01:03:19.280 This is...

01:03:20.500 I mean, I am very troubled beyond just this issue

01:03:23.740 by the idea that you are extending 0.98

01:03:26.580 a level of responsibility to young people

01:03:29.660 that are just fundamentally,

01:03:31.280 just neurologically not there yet.

01:03:34.240 We know that.

01:03:35.140 And we are now...

01:03:36.460 I mean, in the UK,

01:03:37.560 like, politicians are so cynical about this.

01:03:39.800 that the Labour government is extending the right to vote to 16-year-olds.

01:03:42.940 Right.

01:03:43.420 Only because they think 16-year-olds will...

01:03:46.140 And by the way, they're turning out to be wrong

01:03:47.680 because 16-year-olds are voting for the Green Party,

01:03:49.640 which is even further left than they are.

01:03:51.100 Right.

01:03:51.520 Right?

01:03:52.200 But cynically, this is what they're doing.

01:03:54.620 And I think something's happened in our society

01:03:57.600 where actually adulthood has been postponed

01:04:00.460 for longer and longer and longer.

01:04:02.060 So people in their 30s and early, late 30s

01:04:05.260 are considered young people now.

01:04:07.980 And in many ways, they are

01:04:09.200 because they're like adulting 1.00

01:04:10.240 or whatever the stupid word is. 1.00

01:04:11.580 Adult maxing? 1.00

01:04:13.000 Whatever the fuck that means. 0.99

01:04:14.360 Right? 0.99

01:04:15.520 And on the other hand,

01:04:16.840 you're now saying as a 12-year-old,

01:04:18.720 you can decide what sex you are.

01:04:20.360 You can decide all of this stuff.

01:04:23.000 I just, I mean, it's hard to disagree

01:04:25.040 with what you're saying

01:04:26.500 about becoming a sick society.

01:04:28.720 And I think, by the way,

01:04:29.540 you're pointing out that this is something

01:04:31.160 that happens within some communities

01:04:33.300 and not others.

01:04:34.200 And I think the breakdown isn't skin color. 0.96

01:04:36.440 The breakdown is traditional society, 0.83

01:04:38.440 traditional community, non-traditional, right? Yeah. They just go off of when we're looking at

01:04:43.060 stats and we're looking at the death numbers and things like that across like the country of

01:04:47.060 America, of Canada and of others, they go, you know, they give, well, we have all the data,

01:04:52.420 right? So we know if you're a highly educated individual, we know that if you're white, 0.86

01:04:56.440 we know if you're black, we know if you're ethnic, we know if you're homeless, we know,

01:04:59.420 we do know these things. So it's just funny. It's just happens to be that a friend of mine, 0.95

01:05:03.540 Alex Schattenberg runs the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition. And so, so many people think that I'm

01:05:08.280 just like a YouTuber now that yells about a subject I know nothing about when I have like

01:05:12.120 extensive scientific backgrounds with individuals who not only just give me information, feed me

01:05:18.560 information, help me understand said information, how it could have a broader impact on the globe.

01:05:23.260 And Alex has been one of my mentors in that subject. And he's been doing this for 30, 40

01:05:27.580 years, right? He said one to me the other day, he goes, it's like, it's the three W's. It's like

01:05:32.620 the white, wealthy, and worried, right? It's the white, wealthy, and worried that are using this.

01:05:38.040 It's not the people who are poverty-stricken, even though they're being targeted for sure, right?

01:05:42.380 There was a guy in Toronto who couldn't afford his home anymore, so we applied for MAID.

01:05:45.980 You know, we had another girl, this was one of those non-compliant cases, right, where she had chemical sensitivity syndrome.

01:05:54.220 What's that?

01:05:54.880 It's basically where, like, you're, like, a chemical, it's like she's allergic to pretty much everything.

01:05:59.480 And she couldn't get proper housing, so she applied for MAID, right, like, was MAID. 0.93

01:06:02.860 So, like, we have these crazy cases of, like, we had an obese lady that was MAID.

01:06:07.620 you know for the fact that she was obese like we we have all of these people we have people who

01:06:12.760 even though on the on the on the record they didn't have a mental illness but their secondary

01:06:17.160 was so that was legal because that's that's not legal kelsey till march 2027 so you have to be

01:06:22.320 very careful okay but like they have an entire record of bipolar so like why wasn't that considered

01:06:27.040 into the fact that oh maybe they were on medication or they are now off of said medication and are

01:06:30.860 spiraling out of control what about the veterans who have ptsd that are offered it they didn't ask

01:06:35.400 for it when they said made to them they thought like a cleaner because we get cleaners we get

01:06:39.260 help with cleaning and stuff so it this is i guess my point so i think we're actually in

01:06:44.620 agreeance that people who are terminal and have you know normally the waiting period is 90 days

01:06:52.120 for track two right but you can fast track that by just saying a few different words so when they

01:06:57.020 say that canada has the most strict safeguards in the globe even though that's what scotland's

01:07:01.360 parliament is basing their their law off of is the canadian side of things and there's there is

01:07:07.000 almost no and i mean like no support in terms of the medical community in scotland for this even

01:07:12.300 though the government is very similar to canada they're modeling it off the canadian side there's

01:07:16.320 almost no support the medical staff everybody's kind of come out and said like we don't support

01:07:19.800 this and they're still trying to push it through when you have people that are arguing that everybody

01:07:25.860 should have the right to die this is so much bigger than grandma and grandpa you have significant

01:07:31.160 amount of cases that need to be addressed where individuals are being coerced by their loved ones 0.65

01:07:34.820 somebody even lost uh his wife's ability this was in british columbia he planned for a maid death

01:07:40.700 for her she did not want it the police had to step in okay so this is what i'm saying there's

01:07:47.620 kind of a word for that right we call it coercion and murder but that's you know so kelsey ultimately

01:07:53.460 yes wrapping this up then yes what do you think should be the law around this stuff

01:08:00.640 because the reason though we we've brought you on again to talk about this is this is clearly

01:08:06.020 something that is spreading to other countries including the countries that all other people

01:08:09.780 watching this are living in yeah what should be the right framework for this should should there

01:08:15.120 be any euthanasia sister dying whatever you want to call it so i i always try to say it really

01:08:21.920 carefully because I think it's it's people hate this when I say it and they go well you're a 0.98

01:08:26.460 hypocrite you went to war I get it I learned a thing or two we should stop killing people 0.97

01:08:31.480 we should stop killing people and we should actually put effort and funding and supports 1.00

01:08:36.500 into our health care system so people can have the double blind so people can have hospice and

01:08:41.120 palliative care so that they can have access to regulated psilocybin which we know helps with

01:08:45.120 end-of-life care. We should have tools in place. Now, I believe in the double blind as an option.

01:08:54.980 Is that a legal medical thing? No. But we understand morphine and fentanyl a little bit

01:08:59.940 better than we understand recurrentium and large doses of propofol and what the lungs are showing

01:09:06.160 and Canadian autopsies. People say those are just amazing. When I brought up that stat, people say

01:09:10.180 those were American. Those were American death. Those were American drugs. But, you know, Alicia

01:09:13.720 Duncan's mother's autopsy shows the same thing, and she was killed in Canada and Abbotsford.

01:09:17.700 So, you know, we just, to get those autopsies, you actually have to almost sue Fraser Healthcare

01:09:22.540 and other healthcare systems because they won't release them. So, like, why wouldn't you release

01:09:26.400 them if there's nothing funny in them? That's one point. No, I think right now we are in a place

01:09:32.120 where because of how our governments are choosing to look at human beings and whether we value them

01:09:40.860 or not. I don't believe there is a time right now that we could trust a system with a program like

01:09:48.740 this, which is a eugenics program. I don't believe we are in a place to ever trust it because humans 0.98

01:09:56.140 are humans and humans make mistakes and humans can be manipulated and propagandized and changed

01:10:01.460 into believing X or Y or Z. And the only difference I would say between the trans, 0.97

01:10:07.700 And I just think I'm early to this, 1.00

01:10:09.420 and this is why it sounds like lunacy.

01:10:11.780 And Jordan was early to this with the university stuff, 0.94

01:10:14.940 and he was like, people are like, he's crazy.

01:10:17.040 But here's the difference. 0.94

01:10:18.580 Trans stuff comes from the bottom up. 1.00

01:10:20.440 We tell our kids really early that they're a cat, 1.00

01:10:22.940 and then they can be a they, them, and a table. 0.99

01:10:24.980 Cool.

01:10:26.240 We've gone the most vulnerable sides of society. 1.00

01:10:29.720 Trans down here, maid is up here.

01:10:32.640 So we've said, well, this little child has said it, 0.99

01:10:35.800 so we have to abide by it.

01:10:37.560 They ask to change their diaper. 0.96

01:10:39.320 And grandma's struggling so hard

01:10:41.000 and we don't want to see her. 0.90

01:10:42.440 Do you see the two empathetic scales

01:10:43.740 we're pulling on, right?

01:10:45.460 So we're just going top down

01:10:47.320 and this one top up,

01:10:48.740 I mean bottom up.

01:10:49.700 So I don't think

01:10:51.040 the way our world is right now,

01:10:53.480 the way our governments are breaking down,

01:10:54.960 our healthcare systems are breaking down,

01:10:56.440 and our lack of support

01:10:58.480 for hospice and palliative care

01:11:00.080 and proper medical intervention

01:11:01.640 and timely access

01:11:04.700 to healthcare providers who are not manipulated

01:11:08.700 into making crazy incentives, financial incentives.

01:11:13.960 I do not believe that we could have a protocol

01:11:16.440 across the globe that does this.

01:11:18.840 And you could say, well, the Netherlands

01:11:20.260 and everyone's been doing it since the 40s.

01:11:22.440 Okay, but they've always killed people 0.96

01:11:24.240 and they're still killing kids.

01:11:25.820 And nobody seems to have a problem with that over there.

01:11:28.060 I, as a Westerner, have a real problem

01:11:30.680 with the idea that my 12 or 13 or 14 year old

01:11:33.880 Or even me in my 40s or 50s, when my brain isn't fully there, somebody around me could

01:11:39.920 take my decision-making capacity and have me killed.

01:11:42.760 And don't tell me it's not happening because we have records of it.

01:11:45.100 So people can be manipulated.

01:11:47.260 And I am genuinely concerned that if this continues to go, like I said, Canada hasn't

01:11:52.060 even hit mental illness yet.

01:11:53.140 In less than 10 years, we've killed 100,000 people.

01:11:57.700 That's not a small number.

01:11:59.580 The United States is roughly around 19,000 because it's just expanding.

01:12:02.320 But the 13th state and the jurisdiction, which makes 14 locations, that's just the starting point.

01:12:10.420 And Compassionate Choices has said it clearly.

01:12:12.500 You know, this is not small.

01:12:13.720 You have a governor, you have a sitting governor right now who admitted to illegally killing a family member in his memoir and participating in it.

01:12:22.200 And then because of those feelings, legislated that same protocol in his state.

01:12:27.040 And nothing has happened to Gavin Newsom.

01:12:29.740 So if doctors like the one in Ontario and Quebec, or I think it was Ontario,

01:12:34.120 the one that just got in trouble, only got a four-month suspension for mating people

01:12:37.860 and not reporting it to the government or telling anybody about it, can get away with it here. 1.00

01:12:42.400 If Ellen Wiebe can get away with it, if Stephanie Green can get away with it, 0.97

01:12:46.640 if people can get away with it, they will get away with it.

01:12:50.440 So no, I don't think humans can handle a protocol like this. 0.86

01:12:53.340 We saw it with eugenics the first time. 0.99

01:12:55.100 Didn't go well. 0.99

01:12:56.560 We're just not learning from it.

01:12:57.740 we're just doing the same things and saying, this is modern medical care, guys. So no, I'd like to

01:13:02.660 think we could, but I don't believe that our society is in any way equipped as it sits to have

01:13:08.000 the idea where your doctor should have the right to kill you. That's kind of insane and feels like

01:13:12.720 an oxymoron to me. Do you think part of the problem as well, Kelsey, is the fact that death

01:13:16.900 is such a taboo topic in the West? Yes. In the way that it is in many other cultures? I love that you

01:13:21.920 brought that up. I know you want to wrap up because I talk too much, but you're so right.

01:13:26.500 there's so much to be said about that that's a real thing right where if you look at these other

01:13:30.800 cultures you know death is a very normalized thing they still burn bodies and open public you know

01:13:35.020 india does it a certain way your culture does it a certain way death in in the more

01:13:40.260 latino cultures is not something to be feared in a way um i don't know your deal i i don't i don't

01:13:45.980 know how the russians it's fact of life what are you gonna do you feel nothing you die we born no

01:13:51.720 you feel pain, then you die. You feel sad, then die. Exactly. But that's the thing, right? 0.95

01:13:58.760 We have told people this gives them control back. We've told this, it removes suffering.

01:14:06.440 But I've said this before, and I think it's important to state, when you were born and

01:14:10.160 when you came into this life, whether it was a choice or not, nobody ever said you would be

01:14:14.400 devoid of some form of suffering. And there is, regardless of the level of suffering,

01:14:18.860 something to be learned. I've known friends who have lost three limbs and are still laughing

01:14:23.540 about it. It helped them see the world in a different place and be grateful to be here.

01:14:27.860 I have gone through it where I've wanted to die every waking minute of my life. And now

01:14:31.720 I see life as this incredibly precious thing that I would refuse to ever give in and give up to.

01:14:37.000 But the idea of death for me, because I've sat with enough psychedelics and faced death enough

01:14:42.820 times, I don't fear it. I don't fear it because I know it's a natural part of where I am going.

01:14:48.860 And by definition, the second you come out of the womb, you're palliative.

01:14:53.780 Okay, so, but if that's, if we're talking about definable terms and how we qualify people,

01:14:58.460 well, you're in a palliative state.

01:15:00.340 Okay, but what is palliative then?

01:15:02.140 Truly, you know, so I think that we have a taboo around sex and culture in the West and

01:15:07.900 around death and what happens in death.

01:15:10.960 And we fear it and we go, we, I need to be, I need to be in control of my death.

01:15:16.480 Who says, who gives you that, right?

01:15:18.240 do you get to play God? Because that's what it's doing. You're playing God. And we even had a

01:15:23.280 doctor on Vancouver Island, I just wrote about him last week on my sub stack, who talked about,

01:15:28.680 he goes, if I thought there would be, there's a quote, he goes, if I thought there'd be a God,

01:15:33.560 I wouldn't be doing it. If I thought there'd be a God, I wouldn't be doing it, but I know there's

01:15:38.900 no God. And if I can do the same thing as him, I'm going to keep doing it. So it's like, there's

01:15:43.180 going to be sick people who will take lives and justify it but when it comes to our society

01:15:50.180 you know i'm sure there's better answers to this but i think we don't understand death and

01:15:55.780 understand that there is there is beauty in suffering in giving life and i'll remind me of

01:16:02.180 this in two months okay for the listeners she's due soon yeah can we tell and then i think there's

01:16:09.220 also, as hard as it is for people to wrap their brain around, a beauty in death and leaving our

01:16:15.100 earth and what you leave behind and what you've done with the time that you've had here. And so

01:16:19.620 regardless of what people say, well, grandma has the right to die. You're right, for sure.

01:16:24.900 But I think we owe it to our society and our people to go, if we're going to do this,

01:16:31.360 it has to be better. Research has to be better studied. I don't think we should. That's me

01:16:35.660 personally but the idea that we should be accepting children and the mentally ill and the disabled and 0.99

01:16:41.540 the homeless and the addicts like Canada is already doing you can't we'll never we'll never 0.59

01:16:46.420 I'll never agree I'll never agree to that Kelsey what's the one thing we're not talking about

01:16:50.840 guys I try really hard to prepare for you um I think we do need to have a discussion I know we

01:16:59.680 talked about it very briefly but we do need to have a real discussion around the financial

01:17:04.640 incentives of what suicide as a healthcare option gives to people. And again, I know we went through

01:17:10.780 it and it may seem monotonous and small, but when you actually start to understand the amount the

01:17:15.920 government makes, right? There was a Western report I talked about on Jillian Michaels

01:17:19.420 that got a lot of attention. And it was, they said it was an if situation, but we're no longer

01:17:24.100 in an if situation based on the law here, is that if we continue to go down the path, which we are,

01:17:30.420 we're going to save the health care system is going to save 1.273 trillion dollars by killing

01:17:34.800 people that's an incentive we also need to be talking about how much money these doctors

01:17:39.420 excuse me are actually making because if there's an incentive to only kill people financially what

01:17:45.120 is the point of health care at all why would they heal why would you do studies and research why

01:17:48.960 would you do any of these things and so i think there's a deeper conversation around the organizations

01:17:54.240 who are deemed charitable people

01:17:56.740 who are spending $700,000 to $800,000 on Facebook

01:18:00.000 advertising death as a solution and an option,

01:18:02.580 which I have proof of as well.

01:18:03.700 Dying with Dignity does that.

01:18:05.340 And so does Compassion and Choices. 0.99

01:18:07.320 Like I said, they work with the Raven Group

01:18:08.600 and they're worth $30 million.

01:18:09.980 We should be asking why it's okay for them

01:18:12.480 to go into these vulnerable spaces

01:18:14.360 and drop hundreds of thousands of dollars on advertisement

01:18:17.360 when my company, Brass and Unity,

01:18:18.860 is not allowed to advertise because we're ammunition.

01:18:21.100 But Facebook and Meta allows Dying with Dignity

01:18:23.720 to advertise to young vulnerable populations

01:18:25.940 who were on Facebook and Instagram

01:18:27.680 that made it as a solution

01:18:29.200 with things like their children's coloring book.

01:18:31.600 So we can argue morality till we're blue in the face,

01:18:34.760 but the fact of the matter is

01:18:36.020 people are incentivized by money.

01:18:37.840 And I think the money conversation needs a deeper look

01:18:40.200 because this is something I found just two days ago

01:18:41.900 about how much a doctor can actually make.

01:18:43.820 And then I did the math on the amounts

01:18:45.380 because 50% of those 100,000 deaths

01:18:49.920 are done by only 350 people.

01:18:52.440 So if 350 people are killing over 50,000 people, we should be having a conversation about the

01:18:58.720 incentive, the psychological state of our doctors, and why we are fully allowing psychopaths to walk

01:19:04.680 around Canada in white coats. It's concerning to me. All right, head on over to triggerpod.co.uk

01:19:10.440 where we continue the conversation with your questions. How close are we to Soylent Green

01:19:16.400 with assisted death and green-colored powdered drinks on sale as the nutritional supplement?

01:19:20.720 When I feel made is a slippery slope that cannot be turned back, it's bad for the spiritual health of humanity.

TRIGGERnometry - May 23, 2026

＂Assisted Dying is Monetising Death＂ — Kelsi Sheren

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