TRIGGERnometry - Bridget Phetasy - The Fightback Against Wokeness Has Started

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00:00:30.000 hello and welcome to trigonometry i'm francis foster i'm constantin kissin and this is a show

00:00:40.540 for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people and a brilliant guest we

00:00:45.780 have for you today she's a comedian and writer bridget fettersy welcome to trigonometry thank

00:00:50.500 you for having me i'm very excited i feel like brilliant is overselling me a little bit though

00:00:55.000 so thank you. Yeah. And the way you said excited was very emotionless as well. You were very

00:01:00.700 excited because I was, I was still stumbling around in my head. I'm like, brilliant. I feel

00:01:06.300 like everybody's going to really be disappointed. It was instant insecurity. Well, let's make sure

00:01:13.120 that happens. So Bridget, but listen, you are fascinating and you know, we've obviously, we

00:01:18.740 know we have a lot of mutual friends. We've seen some of the interviews you've done in the past

00:01:22.080 And I get the sense, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you're sort of a little bit like us in that you're stuck between two sides. You're not quite entirely sure where you are. Both sides occasionally go off the deep end. And then when you criticize the side that has gone off the deep end, all the people who thought you were on their side have a go at you. What's 2020 been like for you with being in that position?

00:01:43.980 it's it's been that way for the past four years and 2020 was heightened although in many ways it

00:01:53.120 was easier because I had this four years to really get comfortable in that position and

00:02:00.580 at first I wasn't at all and I don't know exactly what your experience has been but you

00:02:06.680 if you come from the left you kind of swing out and then suddenly you're talking to all these

00:02:12.560 people on the right wing. And now you're branded as just another reactionary liberal who got red

00:02:19.300 pilled. And then you're doing the circuit on the right and they're like, yay, one of us,

00:02:26.500 one of us. And you're realizing that you're not exactly one of that tribe either. And

00:02:35.180 And I think just finding my own voice and way into asking myself the questions of what are my values, there are certain things that I share that I thought were perhaps more liberal values.

00:02:51.060 And I think they certainly are, but they might not be shared by my peers or by the far left anymore in the way that they were when I was growing up.

00:03:02.700 And they, whether I consider myself still a member or liberal, um, they're, they're not

00:03:10.440 considering me that if, if they were dividing up teams, I wouldn't be on their team anymore.

00:03:16.380 So no matter what, yeah, I'd be in the gulag. That's fine. Um, with all my friends,

00:03:22.020 it's just like, uh, but listen, uh, before Francis jumps in, I, I realized that we got

00:03:28.040 straight into the politics side of it. But actually, there'll be a lot of UK people who

00:03:33.380 watch our show who may not be familiar with your backstory. So maybe tell everybody a little bit

00:03:38.000 of your journey through life and how you happen to be where you are now. Yeah, so I always wanted

00:03:44.500 to be a writer, but I moved out to LA. And I feel like this is similar to a lot of your guests,

00:03:50.060 probably. I came out here to be in entertainment. I started doing stand-up comedy in 2010. I was

00:03:56.760 writing, always hoping to write shows, science fiction comedies. I have a million scripts

00:04:02.780 sitting around. I was doing all the things, you know, the things you do, waiting tables,

00:04:08.000 teaching yoga, like cliche Los Angeles chick in her twenties. And I continued on that path

00:04:16.320 for a while. I did some traveling around the world when I took a kind of break from LA

00:04:20.940 and came back. I got sober in 2013. I only mentioned that because it is just a big

00:04:28.560 turning point, I think, in my life in general. And in 2015, I got on Twitter in 2013. So I

00:04:36.380 completely replaced my alcoholism with Twitter. So you relapsed, basically.

00:04:41.460 I started mainlining the bird and I definitely recognized that it was an addiction, but as far

00:04:52.200 as harm reduction goes, I think it was okay. And from just a perspective of, I had been in LA at

00:04:59.640 this point since 2007 this time. I was out here when I was very young in my late teens, early

00:05:09.720 20. It's right after rehab. And I didn't stay sober in that time. But this time that I came

00:05:17.680 back at 27, I was doing the thing for years. So by the time I got sober in 2013, I'd been

00:05:26.200 hustling for a while and trying to make things happen. And I went on Twitter and I kind of

00:05:30.840 realized that I, I could just build an audience and that that would be at least there was something

00:05:41.320 that I could do when I was feeling very powerless, still running around asking gatekeepers permission

00:05:45.840 to perform. And that was one of the things I loved about standup comedy. Nobody could really

00:05:50.080 take the mic away from you. You could get up there and say essentially whatever you wanted,

00:05:54.680 and you just had to wait around and wait for your turn. But essentially, it was very free.

00:06:01.780 And I saw Twitter as that same kind of medium where I could just make jokes and say whatever

00:06:09.260 and try and find people who resonated with me and keep building an audience. And I decided to

00:06:15.200 just focus on that while I was waiting tables and still trying to sell scripts, etc.

00:06:21.240 I got a job at Playboy. I sold my first freelance piece to Playboy in April of 2015.

00:06:29.720 That was all through Twitter. I always say I should have named my podcast, which is called

00:06:35.180 Walk-Ins Welcome. I should have named it All of My Friends Are From Twitter because all of my 0.99

00:06:39.720 friends are from Twitter now all over the world. And I ended up getting connected to an editor of

00:06:47.360 Playboy. They connected me to the culture editor. I wrote a piece. It did pretty well. And then I

00:06:53.200 wrote another piece. I did a couple of freelance ones. I kept begging them for a column. Then they

00:06:58.580 approached me in January with the brilliant idea of writing a column for them weekly. And so in

00:07:04.680 2016, I started writing a column weekly for Playboy. And that was amazing. And anyone who's

00:07:10.180 ever done a weekly column knows it's a crazy grind and I loved it. And that was right around

00:07:17.200 the time that Trump descended the staircase or his escalator and everything went crazy in the

00:07:27.320 culture. And I kind of stumbled into a culture war that I was already befuddled by. I had never

00:07:34.320 heard of toxic masculinity. I had never heard of the patriarchy. I mean, I'd heard of it, but I

00:07:39.400 didn't go to college. I didn't learn any of this stuff. And so I was learning quickly being online

00:07:50.280 with Playboy. And then I started noticing that I was censoring some of the things that I wanted to

00:07:56.860 say, self-censoring and getting kind of censored by editors at Playboy. And then I started paying

00:08:07.180 more attention to politics. And 2016 forced everybody to, in America in particular. And

00:08:14.240 probably every, I mean, you guys were on the heels of Brexit. I was in London and Ireland,

00:08:19.960 actually, right on the heels of Brexit. And everybody was asking me if I thought Trump would

00:08:24.400 win. And I really saw Brexit as kind of the canary in the coal mine for America. And I was like,

00:08:29.860 yeah, I think, I totally think he's going to win. I don't think there's a chance he's going to lose.

00:08:34.400 and then that happened and overnight this person who became what was fascinating to me as a

00:08:43.200 comedian was watching this person who all of the comedians all the late night everybody made

00:08:48.640 millions of dollars and millions of jokes at his expense while he was running and I kept saying

00:08:55.060 on Twitter I was like you guys are making this is a joke now but he's gonna win and it's not

00:09:00.480 going to be so funny to you anymore. And overnight when he did win, it went from this kind of buffoon 0.96

00:09:07.100 to, you know, literally Hitler. And that was the first time I ever experienced what I didn't even 0.94

00:09:13.020 know at the time. But what I've come to start calling is like narrative whiplash, where the

00:09:18.880 mainstream culture just shifted the narrative so quickly on a dime. And I was like, wait, you guys

00:09:25.020 were making fun of this guy like he was no big deal. So he's either a clown or he's like a 0.98

00:09:30.780 dictator. He can't. How do you just overnight go from one to the other? But, you know, you can't 0.99

00:09:36.260 really say that in Los Angeles if you're trying to be a writer and get into writers rooms. And

00:09:42.680 and then I noticed that you couldn't say, you know, why can't I say these things and work in

00:09:48.260 Hollywood. That seems ridiculous. And that was when the journey kind of really began. And I 0.96

00:09:55.080 think recently you had Carrie on and she was saying, I would rather just speak truthfully

00:10:01.240 than work in entertainment. And I definitely had to come to that very conscious choice because I

00:10:09.500 did recognize that I knew the minute I kind of started just pushing back, I risked not being

00:10:18.040 able to work in the mainstream but i've on the other hand i think we live in an amazing time for

00:10:22.860 creatives where you can build your own thing and there weren't really any gatekeepers although now

00:10:29.720 with big tech and their stuff they're they're suddenly acting like like the producers and

00:10:36.960 agents and all the people who run entertainment so it's it's uh it's terrifying yeah i mean it

00:10:44.600 is terrifying i mean we've all got our own stories to tell but let's just go back uh towards when you

00:10:50.020 were saying that if you said that you supported trump or that you didn't disagree with some of

00:10:56.000 his policies you wouldn't get accepted into writer's rooms can you explain to people who

00:11:00.800 don't know the los angeles circuit what that means and what that looks like so you're not gonna you'll

00:11:08.260 never know. That's the hard thing about the industry that we're in. You will never be fired

00:11:14.900 because of your beliefs. You will just not be asked back or they will find another creative

00:11:22.700 reason for letting you go or you suddenly won't hear from your managers anymore the way that you

00:11:30.200 used to hear from them. And it could just be that you're not a big enough fish or it could be that,

00:11:35.640 you know i see what everybody in the writers rooms and on these shows is tweeting this is

00:11:42.100 the thing about twitter is you see what people are saying and i know this in this idea that

00:11:48.040 the the thing that i i loathe is the i don't feel safe using this as kind of a cudgel to silence

00:11:55.280 people and i know that it would only take one person saying i don't feel safe she talks to

00:12:02.040 Ben Shapiro on Twitter for me to perhaps not get a job if I was being considered. I obviously don't

00:12:09.940 have any proof or evidence of this other than the fact that I don't have jobs in writers rooms. But

00:12:18.020 I don't think you're even really... It's so challenging too because Hollywood will go where

00:12:25.540 the money goes. And I do already see the shift. I already see people who have been pushing back

00:12:30.360 in the middle, you know, starting to gain more mainstream traction. Andrew Schultz is a great

00:12:35.840 example. He has a four part Netflix series. He they will go. Capitalism always wins, as I always

00:12:41.960 joke. So I'm hope. And now that you don't have to constantly kind of justify like the but Trump

00:12:48.500 people who say anything to you pushing back against anything wild and crazy on the left,

00:12:53.780 Perhaps there will be more room for people to take aim at some of this more insidious and insane stuff that's coming out of the left. But yeah, I think that it wasn't even what was interesting was I wasn't even taking aim at necessarily saying at the time saying Trump, I support Trump.

00:13:18.640 I don't know. I didn't know anything about his policies. He was so new. I didn't even know he

00:13:22.840 didn't strike me as someone who had an ideology. I still feel that way about him. He seems very

00:13:28.680 much just like grabbing whatever he can while he can. And he but I did notice, you know, one of the

00:13:38.620 things that was really obvious to me right away, particularly being a playboy and hearing all

00:13:44.240 about this kind of toxic masculinity and feminism and etc. I called it high heel hypocrisy was this

00:13:52.040 the way they would attack Ivanka Melania after all of this defense of Hillary oh we're always

00:13:59.500 making fun of women for what they're wearing for what they're talking for the way their hair looks

00:14:03.620 etc and the minute these two got any kind of power were running seriously for office suddenly they

00:14:10.780 were attacked with all of the same stuff that these women had been saying for years is not an 0.58

00:14:16.140 acceptable form of um you know making fun of a woman or or judging a woman and apparently it is

00:14:24.960 acceptable if that woman isn't on your team and i just think if you have principles you have to 0.96

00:14:31.120 apply them even to people that don't agree with you or you disagree with or they're garbage but

00:14:37.000 that's like uh apparently not the way politics works well no it doesn't as we all know um 1.00

00:14:44.040 Ivanka and all that group are white supremacists they're Jewish white supremacists but 0.95

00:14:48.420 nevertheless white supremacists but yeah but one thing I was I wanted to ask Bridget was 0.95

00:14:55.120 so we've we've got this we see this now with you can't say certain things but aren't comedians

00:15:01.740 meant to be the counterculture aren't we meant to be the people pointing out the flaws laughing

00:15:06.700 at the things you couldn't laugh at what went wrong I I just think it's fear honestly and it's

00:15:13.040 and it's fear it's wanting to fit in and it is being part of an in-group it's easy

00:15:20.700 to be it's easy to tweet the right thing and be and signal that you're part of that group

00:15:27.920 and it's interesting because I really I am all for progress you know I want to push

00:15:35.560 I want more people to be, I want everybody to have the same access, obviously, to everything

00:15:43.240 that everyone has access to. It just seems like a very simple idea. But I don't necessarily think

00:15:51.380 that pushing other people down is the right, necessarily the way to go about that. It just

00:16:02.060 seems like a dangerous and also kind of hypocritical stand to take and i i don't know what

00:16:10.400 happened in comedy it got it just got it's like it got taken over by the the alt scene or something

00:16:17.440 like i'm not exactly sure when when it shifted to to the that kind of idea of claptor as it's

00:16:27.580 been called where you're trying to get approval instead of trying to point out. And again, I

00:16:33.180 actually see I'm beginning to see a shift. I'm seeing people pushing back. I think the more

00:16:38.160 comedians that speak out and are just like, F this, I'm saying what I want, the better it is

00:16:44.000 for everybody. The more conversations we've been having like this, the more the the more that

00:16:50.140 people they're going to have to make fun of somebody and you can make fun of the right wing

00:16:55.000 all you want but there's a big void that's going to be left when a lot of these people can't make

00:16:59.480 fun of their favorite you know sin eater or the orange man bad or whatever who kind of took up

00:17:06.760 all this space so i already see some of the more mainstream comedians shifting in that way and

00:17:13.840 they'll ride in the wake of all the people who were kind of fearlessly calling this stuff out

00:17:19.880 um from for the past four years but that's not entirely a bad thing if it means that we can

00:17:27.140 bring back comedy because we live in dark times dark times produce dark comedy dark comedy is

00:17:36.320 hilarious it's my favorite kind of comedy this should be we should be allowed to say whatever

00:17:42.440 right now because everything is so crazy if you can't say the most crazy things and call this

00:17:49.080 stuff out and make fun of it it gives it too much credence and it becomes this religion and that was

00:17:57.720 and that's the other thing that I think kind of happened with comedy is that what what I saw

00:18:04.440 happen and the loss of credibility with comedians with media people with the the journalists is that 0.98

00:18:12.200 everyone became an activist everyone overnight not everyone some of us remained idiots but 0.98

00:18:19.860 I'm happy to be an idiot I'm not an I don't need to be an activist I can still push for change 0.97

00:18:26.200 and I also think it is my job as a comedian to like call out these kind of deeply held 0.99

00:18:34.180 I always say I'm going to make burgers out of your sacred cows anything that's sacred to anyone

00:18:39.460 I think it's kind of hilarious. And particularly being able to make fun of ourselves. And there's

00:18:46.420 this whole kind of warped, the level of sensitivity that the culture has does not

00:18:55.120 seem healthy for anyone. It seems like it's causing a lot more mental illness, taking themselves so

00:19:02.920 seriously and everything, looking for an offense everywhere you go and problematizing everything.

00:19:08.740 and walking. I mean, we are creating a world of eggshells that everyone's walking on. Now,

00:19:13.940 I grew up in a dysfunctional household. That crap is bad for you. It's like growing up with 1.00

00:19:20.900 an alcoholic father or something. The whole culture is like that now. The whole culture

00:19:26.700 is an alcoholic dad. You're like, oh, crap. Is he going to come home and be funny? Or is he going 1.00

00:19:32.240 to come home and beat the crap out of me because I said the wrong thing? I don't know. That's how- 0.96

00:19:36.360 You just described Twitter very, very well, haven't you, Bridget?

00:19:41.140 That's just how it feels, though.

00:19:42.580 I hate that.

00:19:43.600 I hate feeling like I'm being emotionally manipulated.

00:19:46.940 I hate feeling like you are responsible.

00:19:50.720 When I was in rehab at 19 years old,

00:19:52.540 I remember the women who were helping me out said something to me

00:19:58.440 when I said, oh, they're all pushing my buttons.

00:20:00.700 And the women who were running the place, the halfway house I was in, 1.00

00:20:04.280 they're like, yeah, and they're your buttons and you need to take responsibility for them and look

00:20:09.520 at where they were installed and why you have them and why you're getting so, you know, why,

00:20:15.620 why you're so easily upset by these things. Or maybe it's true. They're saying something that's

00:20:22.960 not nice, but still I should be able to, you know, it was the beginning of learning how to

00:20:27.480 emotionally have some kind of emotional sobriety and take care of myself.

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00:21:03.940 Bridget, do you think that's maybe one of the reasons

00:21:07.020 that you find this stuff as difficult as the two of us do,

00:21:10.340 which is not for the same reason necessarily,

00:21:12.920 but the fact that you've been through,

00:21:15.240 you talk about getting sober, going through rehab.

00:21:19.400 You've been through a situation where you had to admit,

00:21:22.500 as we were talking before we started,

00:21:24.340 a lack of control over certain things in life.

00:21:26.920 You had to focus on dealing with what you could affect.

00:21:30.260 You had to go through difficulty.

00:21:32.240 You had to accept personal responsibility.

00:21:34.700 And these things kind of inoculate you against being hypersensitive, against making everyone

00:21:40.820 else responsible for your well-being.

00:21:42.860 Do you think that that's a part of where your journey sort of came to this point?

00:21:47.580 I do, although I think it started even earlier being from a huge Irish Catholic family where

00:21:52.960 I always joke that my upbringing was a roast battle.

00:21:55.640 So I think I come from a family where it's like, oh, you're going to cry about a bridge?

00:22:01.920 You know, that that like my uncle would say that not like another cousin, an adult would

00:22:07.600 mock you for crying as a child.

00:22:09.880 And that was the upbringing.

00:22:12.760 It was a very punchy Irish Catholic. 1.00

00:22:16.680 Everybody's taking hits at everybody else.

00:22:18.840 It was very hard to be a sensitive empath in our family.

00:22:23.760 I saw a lot of my cousins kind of struggle when the ones who were just more quiet and wanted to

00:22:29.420 read and felt things more deeply, you kind of either you either jumped in and learned how to

00:22:36.240 take it or you you didn't and you didn't generally fare well. So there was that that early upbringing

00:22:45.120 and I'm grateful for it. I'm grateful that I had parents who were like, life isn't fair. I'm

00:22:49.220 grateful that I came from a family that deeply respected the ability to be able to laugh at

00:22:55.500 yourself. And that was a primary value that we were instilled with growing up and being able to

00:23:03.500 be self-deprecating and laugh in the face of tragedy. That was another thing that my family

00:23:09.380 and my grandparents were just, you know, they went through so much. My grandparents on my dad's side

00:23:14.380 in particular they were in Pearl Harbor when it was bombed my grandfather was in the South Pacific

00:23:19.420 for the entirety of the war and was blown off um warships and saw kind of horrific things was in

00:23:26.840 Japan when they were getting all the prisoners of war I've been reading all of his letters and

00:23:31.160 their depression kids and they had such a great attitude about life and they they saw some of the

00:23:37.900 worst that humanity has to offer. And still we're grateful. We're grounded in faith. We're grounded

00:23:44.760 in the kind of principles of family first. You don't have fallings out with your family about

00:23:52.200 money. You don't have fallings out with your blood about politics. You just don't. It's like

00:23:58.340 where I'm so grateful that I had that backbone kind of instilled. And then, yes, going through

00:24:05.940 a lot of self-inflicted wounds, many of which I, you know, many choices I made on my own

00:24:14.520 and really having to take responsibility. I got sober this time at 35. So the first time I was

00:24:23.680 in rehab was when I was 19. And then it was a long journey between 20 and 35 when I ended up

00:24:30.380 getting sober, sober from everything. And I really, when I first got sober, I really had to

00:24:37.200 look at the ways in which I was entitled, the ways in which I felt like a victim and was always

00:24:45.480 looking to, because this kind of stuff really is the foundation of upholding that sense of

00:24:54.080 pour me, pour me, pour me another drink. So all of these kinds of feelings are just not good if

00:25:01.140 you want to stay sober because essentially they're going to lead you to being in self-pity

00:25:07.120 constantly, which is a horrible place. There's so much self-pity. The culture is just so

00:25:13.860 self-pitying. And I feel ironically bad for people who live in that kind of constant state because

00:25:20.680 it's not, that's what I don't understand about this current, um, like psychology or wave that's

00:25:28.740 going through the culture of victimhood. You know, there, there's this idea of like playing

00:25:32.920 the tape forward. And I just don't understand where this, where does this get you feeling

00:25:39.060 like you're perpetually offended, feeling like you're a victim, feeling like the world owes you

00:25:43.620 something, not, not waking up and asking, how can I be of service to the world? What can I bring to

00:25:49.080 the world waking up and saying how have I been like effed over and who owes me and how am I

00:25:56.960 how do I get mine is not healthy you know ultimately it just seems like it's it's it will

00:26:04.680 it only leads to more of that where's the end of that but don't you think part of the problem is

00:26:10.660 Bridget is that if you look at a lot of these kids who are saying you know oh I've been screwed over

00:26:17.220 or this or that or I'm offended and you compare it to your grandparents generation you know who

00:26:22.740 went through the depression who went through the second world war they've had it so easy yeah no

00:26:27.500 it's too much I mean I've said this I said I think America is like a trust fund baby it's behaving

00:26:33.860 like a third generation child who came from wealth and it's I'm really thinking a lot about this and

00:26:41.760 I want to write about. I've been trying to work out my thoughts because I think everybody deserves

00:26:47.900 a hero's journey. And it's the stories we love the most. It's the story that's been told a million

00:26:57.060 times through all of history. It's pretty much the backbone of any great story. And

00:27:04.500 in the absence of true struggle, do you self-destruct and create your own?

00:27:10.480 And that's what so much of this stuff seems so it's so like every time I see something

00:27:16.820 trending on Twitter, which is a perfect example of this kind of trust fund baby worry or self

00:27:23.480 destruction, it's it is it's like a trust fund baby that gets addicted to drugs so that

00:27:28.260 it can have something to like overcome in life.

00:27:31.820 And I see these things trending.

00:27:36.760 A great example recently was an op-ed that somebody wrote for the Wall Street Journal about, and he said it was all about the use of Dr. Jill Biden using doctor. And then there was a whole 24 to 48 hour news cycle around this and the pundits and talking back and forth.

00:27:57.360 And I'm, meanwhile, very fascinated with the cause of the famine in Yemen because it's so bad. There are so many children starving. An entire generation is starving. And you would think with all of our outrage that we could direct it somewhere like that.

00:28:17.220 like that to me is the stuff that keeps me up at night and talk about feeling powerless I don't

00:28:22.000 even know where to begin like all I can do is donate to an organization and hope that it doesn't

00:28:27.820 go to some criminal who's taking money and abusing a 501c3 and that it's actually going to help

00:28:35.320 someone who needs the money that's really all I can do from here and maybe draw attention to it

00:28:43.200 And then I see this news cycle and I'm like, guys, like what a waste of energy.

00:28:49.420 There's so you care about people suffering, but there you you say and I think that drives

00:28:54.740 a lot of my own frustration and feeling like so much of the outrage is disingenuous, because

00:29:01.080 if you really are you're outraged about this and like children are starving still in front

00:29:08.580 of our eyes and you have a big platform and why are you using it?

00:29:12.680 why don't you take that outrage about dr jill biden someone got paid to write that column first 0.99

00:29:18.680 of all in the first place which is bananas to me and then probably why it got written to be fair

00:29:23.840 and then there was another one in the new york times yeah because it's all you know no one's

00:29:28.740 clicking on like the starving kids no which is it it starts with us you know it's our priorities

00:29:36.320 and our principles. And it is, I get it. It's fun to engage in that kind of like stupid cultural 1.00

00:29:44.120 tennis basically is like, you did a dumb thing and now I'm going to say a dumb thing and you 0.99

00:29:48.720 did a dumb thing and now I'm going to say a dumb thing. And then I see it too with like feminism, 1.00

00:29:53.980 you know, in the Western world, it's like, ladies, we have a lot. We are probably the

00:30:01.180 most privileged women in the history of women on earth throughout all of time. But there are still 0.99

00:30:07.340 plenty of women. I've been to many of these countries where they don't have that. And maybe 1.00

00:30:12.920 we should try and help them out or fight for them or at least support the women in those countries

00:30:18.960 who are fighting for their freedoms that we take for granted. So I do, to answer your question

00:30:26.980 the long way again um i think we take an enormous amount for granted and even these freedoms that

00:30:34.080 were like free speech we just take that for granted in the united states because it's it's

00:30:39.760 the water we swim in and it's easy to let go of something like that if you don't understand that

00:30:46.740 people died for it if you don't understand what it's like to live in a country that doesn't have

00:30:51.720 that and suffers consequences when, when they say things that aren't correct or allowed or

00:30:59.660 I don't know. I'm, I'm, I'm, I try very hard to be optimistic and there's, and stay focused on

00:31:07.840 the positive. But I, I see like a chilling slide into, I'm just amazed at how easily people are

00:31:16.540 like tra la la here we go authoritarians take over you know like skipping in i'm like

00:31:24.180 frog in the boiling water is an understatement of the year bridget i'm a pessimist so i've got 0.69

00:31:30.940 to say 2020 has been great for me every one of my shitty little predictions has come true

00:31:35.600 and i have never been more smug i've been i'm absolutely thrilled you know what he calls

00:31:39.820 himself bridget you know his surname is foster he calls himself foster darmas now that's how

00:31:45.600 ridiculous it's got unbelievable yeah i was having dinner with my with my girlfriend last night and

00:31:51.360 i and i referred to myself as that and i saw a little light a little light in her eyes slowly 0.91

00:31:56.760 die happiest i've ever been everyone else's misery makes them happy but bridget uh let me ask you

00:32:03.480 this because it's something i've been thinking about a lot it seems to me like as entertainment

00:32:07.960 has become politics politics has become entertainment oh yeah that's maybe where 0.99

00:32:14.280 these sort of Dr. Jill Biden, you know, trees are racist, all of this shit sort of comes from, 0.99

00:32:20.560 because everyone needs that entertainment. We look to, and look at the politicians that we 0.99

00:32:25.980 elect. I mean, Biden isn't the most entertaining, but certainly here in the UK, we are consistently

00:32:30.900 electing people now because they look amusing on camera, right? They're young, they're funny,

00:32:37.740 they're this, they're that. We're not actually electing men and women of substance, of principle,

00:32:42.300 of moral integrity, of these sort of old school values that we used to think about.

00:32:48.300 You know, look, I'm in my late 30s.

00:32:51.080 I personally think until you're about 50, you shouldn't be anywhere near politics because 0.99

00:32:54.460 you probably don't know what the fuck you're doing, right? 0.99

00:32:56.440 Right. 0.99

00:32:56.760 But we've gone the other way now.

00:32:58.740 If you're in your 50s, it's probably way too late.

00:33:01.260 You've been and gone. 0.94

00:33:02.100 We need to get rid of you. 0.81

00:33:03.320 Let's get someone who looks good on camera in.

00:33:05.280 You know what I mean?

00:33:06.600 Interesting.

00:33:06.960 i mean i i think in america like the olds are just still clinging to the to the to the keys

00:33:15.420 of the car and refuse to let go like they're still like no i'm not giving this up um i i'm not sure

00:33:25.000 yeah we have like feinstein's feinstein whatever name is i i never know how to pronounce it um

00:33:32.760 i always feel like i get it confused um she's 87 you know and biden is old so i feel like we have

00:33:44.220 a lot of but then we have like the aocs and the squad coming in and they seem very young like 0.84

00:33:50.640 i was an idiot at that i'm still an idiot i think probably the sweet spot for politics is like 0.96

00:33:56.640 40 to 60 and 40 being young not that you can't get into it but it's just I really I and I feel 0.99

00:34:05.000 like the more I learn the I just don't feel like I know anything that's really what the last four

00:34:11.780 years has taught me is I know nothing like I go I'm like oh famine in Yemen and I'm like that's

00:34:17.720 outrageous what's causing it and then it's like jeez I don't know it's like interfactions and 1.00

00:34:24.300 And I would have to study, you know, now I know why people are like Dr. Jill Biden, 0.60

00:34:30.300 because you have to study like the history of a country in order to understand what is happening right now.

00:34:38.000 I take your point about the old still holding on. 0.99

00:34:41.020 So, you know, Trump, Biden, Feinstein, Mitch McConnell, whatever in America.

00:34:45.680 But look at look at who the sort of promising candidates are on the left.

00:34:49.600 It's people like AOC and the squad, etc.

00:34:52.580 And equally on the right, it's people like Dan Crenshaw.

00:34:56.440 Within the Democratic Party, people are talking about people like Andrew Yang, Tulsi Gabbard.

00:35:00.580 These people are also Pete Buttigieg.

00:35:02.660 All of these people are very young.

00:35:04.420 And equally, I think the right is going to produce its own people.

00:35:07.220 You know, Nikki Haley, Dan Crenshaw, who I mentioned, people like that.

00:35:10.320 But anyway, look, maybe we'll just come back to the entertainment and politics sort of trading places now.

00:35:15.680 Yeah.

00:35:16.140 Which I think is a really interesting point.

00:35:18.220 I don't know how you feel about that.

00:35:20.180 i i i'm not surprised i mean this has been kind of predicted did you guys ever read the book

00:35:28.800 amusing ourselves to death it came out in the 80s and he basically said with the dawn of television

00:35:35.320 and this visual medium and everything being entertainment and that this would happen that

00:35:42.760 everything everything would become entertainment and it would be bad for all of our institutions

00:35:49.520 And then there was another great book, Mediated, that came out in 2006 that I refer to in pretty much every podcast I'm on because he was looking at kind of philosophically how all of this mediation is changing our brains and us.

00:36:05.740 And with the dawn of technology, and this was pre-social media that his book really came out, and looking at how everything's personalized, everything is the iPhone, and it's all about us, and you can personalize your music and personalize your settings and your car and the temperature in your house.

00:36:24.380 And how when the world is flattering you constantly, you become entitled and you become kind of you you expect everyone to adjust to you and the world to adjust to you.

00:36:41.360 It's not an unreasonable expectation, given the way that our technology has trained us to essentially behave.

00:36:49.760 So I'm not surprised that it's become entertainment.

00:36:53.140 It's I think anyone who had any kind of foresight, idiocracy is a great example of Mike Judge just seeing the writing on the wall of everybody ending up in this Costco reality with a reality show president.

00:37:08.260 and um the question foster domus is what is the what is the what does this look like what is this

00:37:21.580 what's what are your predictions for 2021 and beyond in the next four years say

00:37:27.140 i think we are more and more going to elect people not on what they say not on what they do

00:37:35.100 but on their race gender etc and it's going to become more and more of a valid statement to say

00:37:40.540 you know as a brown woman of color i believe this and everybody goes okay all certain segments go

00:37:46.280 let's yeah that's great we will listen to what you say i think messages is the message and the

00:37:53.100 content of what you're saying is going to become ever more irrelevant irrelevant yeah

00:37:59.360 and and that we're just going to be disappeared and memory hold

00:38:04.280 i i just think we're going to be it's going to be ever more about box ticking

00:38:10.240 i just think that it's ever it's going to be about categories more and more and more

00:38:15.100 and then you're going to go ah so this person believes or this person is like this therefore i

00:38:22.020 will tick that box so for instance i'll give you an example like our current chancellor of exchequer

00:38:27.800 is a is a asian guy called rishi sunak right i've had people say oh isn't it brilliant for diversity

00:38:33.960 the fact that we have an asian chancellor of the exchequer despite the fact that the guy is

00:38:38.980 literally married to a family of billionaires right diversity do you know what i mean well

00:38:45.000 i mean this is the joke i was making the other day i i was talking to a friend who's in this 0.91

00:38:50.420 in this industry and i'm like let's just make some cool shit together and she was like i'm like 0.68

00:38:56.600 representation matters. And by that, I mean ideological representation. You know, it's not 0.62

00:39:03.800 just like the immutable characteristics. That's what they might as well be saying. Immutable

00:39:10.900 characteristics matter because that's really what they're saying. It's not representation. You don't

00:39:16.940 give a crap about representing people who don't think like you. You care about representing 0.98

00:39:22.160 certain like you said you know checking certain boxes and if if that is what you believe it comes

00:39:31.040 to I mean that's chilling because there seem to be boxes that you check that are right and if you

00:39:39.400 don't fall into a box or if you're not checking those boxes or if you're pushing back against the

00:39:45.160 idea of everything being about checking boxes you get memory holes right and you made the point

00:39:54.020 earlier as well bridget essentially sort of translating what i heard out of what you're

00:39:58.800 saying essentially we've got to a point where these claims of sexism like you were talking

00:40:03.940 about different way that conservative women are treated versus liberal or whatever left-wing and

00:40:09.180 All these allegations now of sexism or discrimination, they're actually weapons.

00:40:15.220 They're not really genuine claims about what happened.

00:40:17.920 They're simply a way of achieving your outcome that people have now worked out is very powerful.

00:40:23.860 It's a very powerful thing to say that someone is racist or that someone is sexist.

00:40:28.720 And it's difficult to defend.

00:40:30.460 It's difficult to deny.

00:40:31.860 It's difficult to argue against.

00:40:33.160 And I think that's one of the reasons I've been so worried about it,

00:40:35.660 because you're sort of making it okay now for people to go,

00:40:39.320 you know what, I am racist.

00:40:41.200 You want to call me racist a hundred times? 0.99

00:40:43.000 I am racist and not even like give a shit. 0.99

00:40:45.760 I mean, James Lindsay talked about us when we had him on. 0.99

00:40:48.620 Everybody has a sort of fuck it point. 0.67

00:40:50.660 And once you accuse somebody of something enough, 1.00

00:40:52.680 they just go, you know what, fuck it, I am that. 0.99

00:40:55.500 And they actually start to be that, you know? 1.00

00:40:58.580 That's the kind of danger.

00:41:00.240 I remember I went through this when I was in high school

00:41:03.920 because I moved so much. 0.95

00:41:05.280 and everyone called me a slut when I moved. 0.99

00:41:07.680 I'd never even had sex with a guy. 0.99

00:41:10.160 It was just the way women weaponized. 1.00

00:41:12.600 It was a way of bullying a woman 1.00

00:41:14.240 when you were a new girl in a new school.

00:41:16.660 And I got to the point where I was like, 1.00

00:41:20.480 all right, I'll show you slut. 1.00

00:41:22.060 And then I just started being a slut. 1.00

00:41:25.640 I mean, I don't know if that was necessarily the progression, 0.99

00:41:29.100 but there is that.

00:41:30.240 That's one of the things that I've had to,

00:41:33.140 and this is on us.

00:41:33.980 I don't put that on the people who are bullying me. I think that this is where the idea of being

00:41:39.480 a reactionary is true to a certain extent and dangerous because I've definitely had to check

00:41:47.260 myself in this process of being kind of rejected from the mainstream, the left, whatever, my peers.

00:41:58.680 and it would be very easy for me to be like, F all you guys. And out of those feelings of

00:42:07.800 rejection, rejection is a very powerful, motivating force. And so the work I've had

00:42:15.100 to do the last four years around a lot of just being just on the personal level, not even on

00:42:20.660 the political scheme, just looking at, is this something I should naturally be reacting to?

00:42:29.600 If I am reacting to it, let's get very clear about why I'm reacting to it. What am I reacting to?

00:42:36.740 Like in many instances, I found that I'll be called a reactionary for reacting to what I

00:42:42.580 see as compelled speech. And so if I can articulate that, that helps me with, and then sometimes it's

00:42:50.280 like oh no my i'm just reacting because um because i'm feeling it's that knee jerk like oh if you're

00:43:00.060 gonna call me racist enough then i'll show you racist that that idea and that idea is dangerous 0.54

00:43:05.840 you know that we have to guard ourselves against that because you can see how it it can they did

00:43:13.640 i remember reading some study and i don't remember where it was or who it was and i need to get much

00:43:18.220 better about these things but it it was all about how if people are generally put in you know boxed

00:43:23.720 into a corner they're they're going to become um they're obviously going to react and i've been

00:43:31.960 saying for like four years the whole um is it good that we're having white people focus on their

00:43:39.360 whiteness like this seems like a like i feel like we've been doing a lot right in that we haven't

00:43:50.800 had them focusing on this and is it great i mean ryan long did such a great job of pointing that

00:43:58.260 out with the woke versus racist because it just seems like a dangerous like do you really want

00:44:04.840 white men to be defensive about being white like that seems like a marble that might not roll in 0.82

00:44:12.880 the direction you wanted to roll into and it's terrifying because that is it is reactionary you

00:44:19.900 know you don't we have to take responsibility for our own reactions obviously i'm not um i'm not

00:44:27.240 giving anyone who's racist a pass but i do think that there is a dangerous cultural trend of

00:44:33.240 focusing on race that will see that seems to be agitating things when I felt like actually we were

00:44:40.700 making tons of progress in in race relations even just from a statistical just completely objective

00:44:48.060 look at it and do you think that Trump is somewhat to blame for this because in 2016

00:44:55.100 it accentuated the culture war or do you think it was already bubbling before he came to power

00:45:00.400 Yeah, I've I've thought a lot about this because I wasn't paying attention during the Obama years. But it seems like I was really unaware until one of the things that I really had to do during the Trump years. And it was very hard to discern because the media did not cover Obama the way they covered Trump.

00:45:19.540 And so I had to really turn to people who were essentially never Trumpers or principal conservatives who had been in this space for a long time. And I would say, is this something that Obama did that they're covering as if it's something new? Or is this something that is dangerous and unprecedented that is new that Trump is doing?

00:45:41.300 And constantly having to evaluate every single story that came out about Trump through that lens was a lot of work. But it taught me a lot about what went on during the Obama administration and how much Obama actually did play into identity politics and really start that ball kind of rolling.

00:46:00.700 I mean, I think the Tea Party sprung up under him.

00:46:04.480 You know, it was so this process, I think, was already happening.

00:46:08.820 I have I I see Trump as just a symptom of of a lot of that process that was already happening and people feeling like they weren't being heard.

00:46:19.920 You know, the most fascinating people to me and all of of this time are the people who voted from Obama to Trump and then Biden, you know, or the people who are just like, yeah, burn it all down or Bernie bros who voted for Trump.

00:46:35.300 There's I feel like there's just a lot of a lot of a lot of reaction in our culture in general.

00:46:42.160 Everyone seems like they're kind of reactive to everything.

00:46:45.360 Well, let's talk about the future a little bit and how things will go, particularly trying to channel your optimism that I've got him to put up with being pessimistic all the time.

00:46:57.320 So let's get some positives if we can. Let's start with Joe Biden first.

00:47:02.100 I mean, we're recording this in sort of mid-December.

00:47:06.260 Look, we're not in America, but as far as we can tell, Biden has been elected. Is that fair to say?

00:47:12.900 I believe the Electoral College certified it this week.

00:47:18.360 So, yes, he's been elected.

00:47:21.460 And Mitch McConnell congratulated him.

00:47:23.300 And Mitch McConnell congratulated him.

00:47:25.260 Yeah.

00:47:25.360 So, yeah, I think that that is, it's safe to say that that is the reality.

00:47:31.740 Yeah.

00:47:32.220 And my question was going to be, I know people have some disagreements about it.

00:47:36.440 I don't want to get into that part of it at all.

00:47:39.020 But let's operate on the assumption that Biden has been elected.

00:47:41.920 A lot of people, I think, now accept that.

00:47:44.340 Do you think that will reverse the trend?

00:47:48.200 Do you think that will make things better?

00:47:51.760 Okay, there we go.

00:47:52.720 Excellent.

00:47:54.540 I'm so happy.

00:47:55.760 Thank you, Bridget.

00:47:58.140 No, I don't think.

00:47:59.120 So I'm worried twofold now

00:48:02.420 because you have this enormous grievance

00:48:08.800 with millions of people who feel um the election was stolen so and a kind of figurehead for that

00:48:18.740 and so you have that which i think will get progressively agitated um you're seeing big

00:48:27.840 tech censor more and more and try and slap their warning labels on everything and not allowing

00:48:36.660 people to really make up their own minds and deciding that they need to be then essentially

00:48:41.760 big tech has become the nanny state and that's terrifying i think you'll see more of that because

00:48:47.540 as this grievance you know becomes more agitated i think we saw it recently even with youtube where

00:48:53.700 they were saying anything that any election stuff that disagreed with the idea that biden won it

00:49:00.180 would it would be you know memory hold or taken down or whatever and that only fuels the idea

00:49:07.080 that something sketchy is going on if you're you're disappearing all this stuff or you're

00:49:11.780 you're shadow banning it or you're making demonetizing it all the different ways you can

00:49:17.140 de-platform so that will probably get worse and then in the absence of Trump and all of

00:49:26.440 Trump's supporters, I worry that the pitchforked mobs of the left will take their aim at people

00:49:35.420 like us, you know, people who maybe weren't necessarily all the way over on the right,

00:49:42.780 but didn't toe the line with the left. And I actually worry that there will be

00:49:49.120 that they won't have as many things to do and people to go for and that they're still going

00:49:56.160 to need those clicks and to make that money. And so where does that energy go? Hey, Bridget,

00:50:02.900 don't worry. Cancel culture is a myth. It doesn't exist. We're going to be fine.

00:50:07.340 Only, only, only people who never say the wrong thing get to say that. And so I always laugh when

00:50:13.740 people say that. I'm like, yeah, you're, it's always the in-group saying that the people who

00:50:18.740 are saying that are always on the in-group. I'm like, oh yeah, you, you wouldn't know what this

00:50:24.280 is actually like because you've never been on the wrong side of a mob of people who is trying to

00:50:30.860 come for your job your family's jobs and your your future children's college educations you know it's

00:50:39.220 it's insanity yeah yeah they always they're the ones who always say yeah yeah why don't you just

00:50:44.880 say the right things and everything will be fine my yeah just say what we want and you'll be fine

00:50:52.260 what's the problem? They disagree with us. What's the problem?

00:50:55.240 What is it? But look, Bridget, I'm trying to get us to the positive point. I'm trying to get us to

00:51:00.400 the positive point. You talked about the pushback in comedy, right? Do you see that? Because, you

00:51:06.500 know, we talk a lot about how politics is downstream of culture. The culture shapes

00:51:11.300 everything else. And comedy is often the canary in the coal mine for processes that then go on

00:51:15.920 to happen. Do you think the fact that we're starting to see that, and by the way, it will

00:51:20.520 be very funny to see all the comedians who've been woke for the last five years suddenly

00:51:24.100 become really, really edgy.

00:51:27.640 Yeah.

00:51:28.400 But do you think that happening will start to take us to a say in a place?

00:51:37.780 Great.

00:51:38.620 Thank you very much.

00:51:40.420 I'm trying to be hopeful because I do see, I do, I think as long as we're allowed to

00:51:47.160 speak yes but a lot of it rests on how much they're going to try and crack down on anybody who's

00:51:55.520 pushing back against the the ideology of wokeism you know i think the the stuff you see around

00:52:05.020 trans activism is like bananas insane and for instance with the elliot page stuff recently 0.95

00:52:13.680 this is somebody who got famous as you know identifying as a woman with a female name and

00:52:19.720 if you misidentified her two seconds later most people don't know what dead naming is if you

00:52:24.920 drove around america and said do you know what dead naming is i would say probably one out of

00:52:30.260 25 people might actually know what that even means and they people were calling them bigots

00:52:36.180 for you know dead naming somebody that they knew is famous two minutes later to give people some

00:52:43.180 time you know like that's what that's what is that's what's um concerning to me is the the lack

00:52:51.120 of time people everybody assumes the worst oh you called her ellen him ellen and therefore you're

00:52:59.220 dead naming this person who two minutes ago you knew is ellen it's like can can you have some

00:53:05.880 compassion and maybe give people a chance to to try and get their minds around something that's

00:53:11.780 pretty new and and I don't know that's what's kind of chilling to me is that you'll see something

00:53:18.580 like that and then it's like someone will get banned from Twitter you know that that's like

00:53:23.840 because they I don't know not not maliciously accidentally made a mistake and this is where

00:53:33.780 I feel like, uh, I see a lot of the energy going. So I I'm, I'm optimistic that as long as

00:53:42.020 comedians are allowed to speak and to make jokes that there, that I think people are like have

00:53:49.280 had it, but there's so much fear in the culture. People are terrified. I was on, have you been on

00:53:54.900 clubhouse? Have you guys heard clubhouse? No. It's a new app, social media, but it's all audio

00:54:02.480 and you can enter these rooms or be invited as like a speaker and then you can also just observe

00:54:08.860 and I was like wow come for the group therapy and stay for the struggle session because I went into

00:54:14.860 a room and it was essentially a woman got kicked out because she maybe she she just floated the 1.00

00:54:23.560 idea that hate speech isn't violence and they booted her out of the room and then they let 1.00

00:54:31.180 her come back in to rethink what she had said and to apologize essentially. And listening to the

00:54:38.580 people try and pick their words. I mean, it was because you see this on Twitter and you're like,

00:54:44.560 oh, this can't really be real. Like these are all parodies. But then I went into this room and

00:54:49.580 you're hearing the voices in the conversations and just the level of fear. And you could basically

00:54:56.020 tell where on the kind of intersectional pyramid somebody was by how freely they spoke and how

00:55:05.340 carefully they chose their words was how far down on the power dynamic they were essentially like

00:55:13.640 everybody who was white was choosing every single word walking on those eggshells waiting 0.72

00:55:25.400 to step on that landmine at any given moment.

00:55:29.260 And I was like, wow, this is not good.

00:55:33.760 If this goes mainstream, we are in trouble.

00:55:37.160 That kind of fear of saying the wrong thing.

00:55:40.980 And in many ways, it is going mainstream.

00:55:43.180 We're seeing it.

00:55:43.800 You're seeing it in corporations.

00:55:46.160 You're seeing it.

00:55:47.480 I mean, I hear this all the time from people in my email

00:55:50.800 where people write about being politically homeless

00:55:52.980 or self-censoring.

00:55:54.060 and that is a dangerous trend and i'm not sure i feel like the only way out of it is to just

00:56:01.940 keep speaking people like us to just keep like i said i'm like there are hills i will die on

00:56:06.360 and i'm gonna keep saying those things until you ban me because i have to until until

00:56:12.040 i don't it's like not being able to say for instance men and women are biologically different

00:56:20.020 I will I'm going to die on that hill like okay that's we I have to there are just certain things

00:56:28.660 that you you're not going to like gaslight me into compelled speech essentially and and that

00:56:36.500 might cost me a platform eventually but I I'm doing things to kind of shore I see this is where

00:56:42.900 I see the free markets kind of um working you know like Dave Rubin's thing locals is great

00:56:49.340 because I know I'm at least going to get a phone call

00:56:51.320 and I can upload my videos directly there

00:56:53.480 and it operates a lot like Twitter

00:56:55.560 and I have a lot of freedom to say whatever

00:56:57.760 and we have an amazing group of all free thinkers.

00:57:01.960 But then I see stuff happening like with MasterCard and Visa

00:57:06.280 and you see the financial systems getting involved

00:57:08.800 in what people can and can't say

00:57:11.140 and kicking people off Patreon

00:57:13.200 and forcing, you know, like companies to behave certain ways.

00:57:20.220 And I'm like, we might, but then there's Bitcoin.

00:57:23.620 So it's all, it's all, we live in these crazy times, guys.

00:57:30.520 Happy New Year.

00:57:31.680 Happy New Year.

00:57:32.620 And as somebody who's profoundly pessimistic and negative,

00:57:36.540 thank you for that answer, Bridget,

00:57:38.400 and for confirming my worldview in everything.

00:57:40.320 You know what? Our audience always complain that he looks incredibly tense, uncomfortable, and unfriendly.

00:57:45.700 Look at his happy little face right now.

00:57:47.420 He's so happy.

00:57:49.020 Look at him. He's delighted.

00:57:51.840 Absolutely delighted.

00:57:53.240 I still think that, I mean.

00:57:58.040 I can't get over it. It's a face of genuine happiness.

00:58:00.460 Look at him. 1.00

00:58:01.140 Everything's fucked. 1.00

00:58:01.840 He's looking for me, struggling to find the silver lining in all this. 1.00

00:58:05.720 And I do see it. Look, I see it.

00:58:08.560 Andrew Schultz was like a silver lining, his Netflix special.

00:58:12.020 That's a silver lining.

00:58:13.460 Tim Dillon, silver lining.

00:58:15.280 The guy is doing great.

00:58:16.560 He's crushing it.

00:58:17.780 Joe Rogan is on Spotify.

00:58:19.400 That is as mainstream as it gets.

00:58:21.260 He has held the center for many of us.

00:58:23.480 I am optimistic that this trend continues.

00:58:32.060 You guys are killing it, doing amazing.

00:58:35.680 Why are you afraid?

00:58:37.280 Because we just had a video with a million views taken down by YouTube because it doesn't comply with WHO regulations. But you're right. Look at his happy little face. No, but you're right. You're right. I think you and I certainly in agreement on one thing, which is as long as big tech censorship doesn't get a lot worse, which it probably will. But if it doesn't, everything will be great.

00:59:08.140 I do genuinely believe that.

00:59:09.920 Welcome to this episode of Trigonometry. 1.00

00:59:13.740 We're fucked. 0.99

00:59:16.140 That will be the title, Bridget Phetasy. 1.00

00:59:18.540 We are fucked. 0.98

00:59:19.580 Bridget, look, it's been a lot of fun chatting, actually. 1.00

00:59:23.380 I'm really pleased we got you on the show.

00:59:25.580 Thank you for having me.

00:59:26.960 No, it's been great.

00:59:27.980 It's been fantastic.

00:59:29.920 We'd love to have you back at some point.

00:59:31.540 But for now, our last question, which we always ask all our guests,

00:59:35.600 is what is the one thing that we're not talking about that we really should be as a society?

00:59:41.720 Oh, gosh, there's so many things. I'm worried about the state of mental health, really. And

00:59:49.740 I know we're talking about it, but I don't know that we're doing a great job of addressing the

00:59:56.620 problems. And I think there's a lot of lip service paid to mental health, but it doesn't

01:00:04.220 seem like people are doing any better in that department. In fact, it seems like things are

01:00:10.260 getting a lot worse. So there's a big disconnect for all the talk where we have about like mental

01:00:16.160 health awareness day. And it's like, is mental health awareness day just like, Hey, I'm crazy.

01:00:24.060 Because in some respects, it's become like a cool thing to be. I went down this crazy rabbit hole of

01:00:32.760 young adults switching from one personality to another and these videos had millions of views

01:00:39.820 i i've never had a million you switched personality in the course of this interview 0.99

01:00:44.900 away from a miserable fuck to look how happy you are now unbelievable this is what i'm gonna do 0.98

01:00:50.280 bridget i now know how to cheer him up i'm just gonna tell him everything will be really really 1.00

01:00:54.240 bad and everybody's gonna suffer and he will be so happy but don't do you think that things are

01:01:01.160 going okay my one can i ask you guys a question sure have you heard of agenda 2030 no but i'm

01:01:10.960 sure i'm gonna love it people keep talking about it in the chat but there's a lot of stuff going

01:01:15.920 on isn't there no i know it's just funny because we went down on dumpster fire my youtube show

01:01:22.040 we went down somebody my one of my my roommate is like she kind of brings up the wing of the

01:01:30.000 conspiracy she's the voice of all the conspiracy theories of the internet she loves them and goes 0.98

01:01:34.820 down all these rabbit holes and and it's just a you know every day it's like when alex jones

01:01:43.560 becomes more and more correct you know and when every day when when you're like she'll send an

01:01:50.320 article and she'll be like agenda 2030 i'm like is this some great reset do you guys yeah do you

01:01:58.840 we've heard about this look i'll tell you what bridget i do not i purposely ignore conspiracy

01:02:04.980 theories now in 2020 because i know if i delve into them i'm gonna fucking believe them at this 0.93

01:02:09.780 point you know so i'm just staying well away from that shit because i don't want to have to find 0.98

01:02:16.200 myself with a tinfoil hat going on about how bill gates wants to inject everyone with poison 0.98

01:02:20.820 like bill gates has become a villain and i know there are people in your comments who are going

01:02:26.740 to be like, actually, he is. So let's wrap this up. I don't want them back. But I think you're

01:02:33.940 right talking about mental health, because for all, as you say, for all the lip service we give

01:02:38.580 it, actually, you lock people in their homes for six months, you give them nothing but social media.

01:02:45.040 And $1,200 in the United States. And then you tell them the world is ending and, you know,

01:02:50.720 orange man bad is killing everyone. Yeah, you're going to have some problems with mental health. 0.99

01:02:55.260 it's like a virtual it's a it's like the it's like um psychological hunger games you're not

01:03:02.580 actually like fighting out there for anything against people you're just locked up and it's

01:03:08.060 like whose brain isn't gonna break bridget it's been fantastic chatting with you before we let

01:03:15.160 you go uh tell everybody where they can find your brilliant stuff you put out a lot of stuff

01:03:19.320 obviously your Twitter and, uh, dumpster fire and everything else that you do.

01:03:24.020 So you can find me on Twitter at Bridget Phetasy. You can find me on Instagram and, um, all the

01:03:30.600 things as well under that name, but I live pretty much on Twitter and phetasy.com is my community

01:03:37.580 where we have a great thing going. We do workouts. We really focus a lot on what we can control and

01:03:44.660 mental health and taking care of ourselves and diet and supporting each other. And you can also

01:03:53.020 find me on YouTube. I have a YouTube channel, Phetasy, and I have a show, Dumpster Fire,

01:03:58.540 which makes fun of all the things. And then I have a podcast, Walk-Ins Welcome, which you guys

01:04:03.900 should definitely come visit me on, where we talk about grit and resilience and I hear people's

01:04:09.620 stories and we just, uh, it's a little more, more nuanced and less, um, of, uh, like dumpster

01:04:17.820 fires very much my Twitter kind of in real life. And yeah. Oh, and I have a column, a monthly

01:04:23.920 column at spectator magazine, which is always extremely good and very, very funny. And we'd

01:04:29.160 obviously be very happy to come on the podcast. So Bridget, thank you so much for your time.

01:04:33.420 We really appreciate it. I think our fans would have loved this show. Uh, so thanks very much.

01:04:38.000 and we'll see you very soon.

01:04:39.120 Take care, guys.

01:04:40.180 Have a good one

01:04:40.960 and we'll see you at 7pm

01:04:42.160 with a live stream

01:04:43.300 or another brilliant episode.

01:04:44.760 And episodes are always

01:04:46.000 Wednesday and Sunday

01:04:46.940 and live streams always

01:04:48.180 Tuesday, Thursday, Friday

01:04:49.840 and Saturday.

01:04:50.900 See you soon, guys.

TRIGGERnometry - December 20, 2020

Bridget Phetasy - The Fightback Against Wokeness Has Started

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