TRIGGERnometry - Britain's Free Speech Crisis, Rayner and Refugee Murder

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00:00:09.100 saw during this entire time defending his arrest were comedians do you know what this country 0.99

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00:02:07.180 term supply francis a lot happened last week we had the gremlin being arrested for tweets

00:02:14.400 by five armed police officers we'll talk about that we obviously had angela rayner resigning 1.00

00:02:19.960 uh and the cabinet reshuffle shabana mahoud is now home secretary uh we'll talk about that of course

00:02:26.820 um that whole thing in british politics was massive and we've also got this latest story which i just

00:02:32.920 think is a horrific and also the media coverage of it has been i mean it's one of the most disgusting

00:02:38.340 things that i have seen in our entire time doing the show which is this ukrainian refugee who went to

00:02:44.440 america who was stabbed by a just a crazy guy on the train in charlotte i think no media coverage as

00:02:52.120 far as we can tell at the time of recording so we'll talk about all of that let's start with

00:02:57.240 graham linihan graham linihan former guest of the show one of the most talented i would say one of the

00:03:03.020 greatest comedy writers in english language history i would say in british history he's irish and you know

00:03:10.100 things can get touchy things can get a little touchy comes back from the u.s where he's now

00:03:15.180 working with our good friend andrew doyle and others and rob schneider and he's arrested by five

00:03:20.580 police officers armed police officers at heathrow airport well i think this is look how else are you

00:03:27.660 going to deal with a comedy writer who writes tweets apart from arrest him with submachine guns

00:03:32.880 yeah he was arrested interrogated by the police and released on bail for three tweets in which he

00:03:39.720 basically was a little bit mean about transgender ideology and he made a joke which was about if you 0.99

00:03:46.420 see a trans woman in the toilets do this do this or if that doesn't work punch her in the balls yeah 1.00

00:03:52.580 i mean it's a joke the reality is is that we've now i don't think we because we do you remember 0.99

00:04:00.160 in 2018 and 2019 we were talking about free speech but we're going free speech is under threat people

00:04:07.060 were going no it's not you're just far right or whatever else and now we've got to this point where

00:04:12.740 somebody like graham linihan who is a celebrity who is celebrated quite rightly for his comedy which is

00:04:20.040 brilliant now gets arrested for tweets and even people on the left it's really interesting there've

00:04:26.060 been a lot of left-wing commentators like all right like the game's up we there's nothing what can you

00:04:31.660 say there there comes a point where you look at the country and gone we've crossed the rubicon

00:04:37.580 and i think for a lot of people this is a rubicon crossing moment for a lot of people but what was

00:04:43.440 interesting to me is uh i posted on my facebook where i still have some friends from the comedy

00:04:48.060 and the only people who were defending him being arrested this is the great irony this is the thing you

00:04:53.600 and i've been saying for years in britain it's not true in america but in britain the people who are

00:04:58.680 most pro-censorship are comedians yeah it was extraordinary the only people i saw during this

00:05:04.340 entire time defending his arrest were comedians and zach polanski and zach polanski the leader of

00:05:10.640 the green party uh who who i mean i'd love to have him on the show because we'd have an interesting

00:05:16.020 conversation and but but there's also another thing with it which is and a lot of people do this so

00:05:21.840 nick cohen who writes for the spectator i think he writes for the times other papers i quote tweeted

00:05:26.740 him a tweet is now deleted where he said this is playing into the hands of the far right and this

00:05:32.300 is what they always do it's like the problem isn't the problem the problem is it justifies the arguments

00:05:37.480 of people that i don't agree with what if the problem is the problem what if actually those of

00:05:42.960 us have been warning that many of the laws that have been passed in recent years and many of the laws

00:05:47.380 that are now being over interpreted by the police because of the infiltration of the college of

00:05:52.020 policing by mermaids and all this other stonewall all these other crazy organizations what if that's 0.56

00:05:58.560 the problem what if the problem is that people are being arrested for tweets comedians are being arrested

00:06:03.820 for jokes what if that's the problem and this is the thing that i find so frustrating with the left

00:06:10.020 it's this this is far right now the far right exists but they're nowhere near as big or as strong

00:06:16.940 as they pretend you know then in their minds it's like they're gonna wake up one day and the hordes of

00:06:25.880 nazis gonna rise out of the ground and they're gonna storm into london and they're gonna take over all of

00:06:32.400 london and you go that's enough about tommy's rally

00:06:34.420 you're not the kingdom right and we're gonna go and document it and see what happens but i think

00:06:40.760 your point is these people massively exaggerate the nature of that threat they massively exaggerate

00:06:46.840 and the thing that i find interesting is do you genuinely believe this and i think they actually do

00:06:51.780 i think that they live in this magical world where with all of a sudden we're gonna they're gonna

00:06:57.480 wake up one day and hitler has you know come back and he's like and then all of a sudden we're back

00:07:02.960 in nazi germany well i don't think we should dismiss the fact that you know we just released

00:07:08.260 an interview tom holland in which we talked about the fact that one of the things that will happen

00:07:11.820 as a result of a combination of things one of them is progressive overreach yeah and the other one is

00:07:17.100 the fact that very few people now have the lived the lived experience i use that term in inverted

00:07:21.960 commas or some kind of connection to what happened during world war ii the taboos around fascism

00:07:27.340 are breaking and there's definitely fringes uh on the right particularly in the united states that

00:07:32.980 are openly floating yeah with fascism right and fascist revisionist history but what people like

00:07:40.300 nick cohen and others are doing is they're labeling lots and lots of normal people who are not remotely

00:07:46.560 interested in anything like fascism as far right and this is something the british media you know the left

00:07:53.460 side of the british media is deeply irresponsible with and not just the media i mean david lammy for

00:07:58.120 example of course you remember he called a group of european eurosceptic conservative eurosceptics in

00:08:04.520 britain uh worse than the nazis at one point we'll come back to david lammy in a little bit um so this has

00:08:12.940 been happening for a long time and and the thing is among other things it just doesn't work anymore

00:08:18.040 like calling people for it just doesn't work no it doesn't and it's really dangerous because if you

00:08:24.640 want to radicalize someone yeah then misrepresent them smear them and call them one of the worst things

00:08:29.940 a human being could be if you want to actually radicalize them and make them double down and make

00:08:35.240 them take more and more hardline positions then do that isolate them smear them you can't keep doing

00:08:42.700 that you can't the people in these positions of power which they still the media still has power

00:08:48.840 the legacy media you can't keep doing that because what you're going to do is things are already really

00:08:55.020 toxic in this country we've done lots of conversations between you you me and you or with other guests

00:09:00.440 where we talk about how this country is a boiling point i think what everybody needs to do is actually

00:09:06.520 take a little bit of a heat off the gas and by turning around and saying we're going to embolden the far

00:09:11.920 right this is far right that's far right you're just pissing people off we've got every right to

00:09:17.540 be angry you're making them even angrier and you know to emphasize how badly this doesn't work i mean

00:09:24.940 people keep saying reform is far right well reform is now the biggest party in the country in terms of

00:09:30.360 its popularity with the public it's it's i think it's won a hundred it's been top of a hundred polls in a

00:09:35.440 row yeah i went out in a in a middle class town in kent uh not a lot of those in kent but uh over the

00:09:44.680 weekend there was a reform stand right in the town center like reform is the the party with the big mo

00:09:50.940 in brook right now there's no question about it they just had uh their party conference and it just

00:09:56.540 simply does not work and when you start calling people like graham linihan far right or putting him

00:10:02.960 in that box are saying the people who are concerned about his free speech rights are far right you've

00:10:08.260 lost the plot you've completely lost the plot and with graham i you know i'm he's now going to sue the

00:10:13.900 police for wrongful arrest i have no doubt he's going to win that case i mean if there's any sanity

00:10:18.300 left in this country the police are now calling for the government to change the law which is what

00:10:23.340 people like me and you and many of our guests toby young of course of the free speech union has

00:10:27.660 spearheaded this fight we've all been saying this for years which is if you pass these laws the

00:10:33.440 police will then enforce these laws and then you will be locking people up for making jokes we i

00:10:38.640 remember being in rooms with including by the way if people want to blame the labor party for this okay

00:10:44.160 they're responsible to some extent i remember being in rooms with conservative ministers two or three

00:10:49.740 years ago where i was saying to them if you pass this law this is what's going to happen

00:10:53.640 and and and here we are because a large part of the problem is is that we have got politicians who

00:11:02.900 don't understand social media they don't understand the internet they have a i won't even say a rudimentary

00:11:09.120 understanding i think it's a complete lack of knowledge about it and so it's this idea with like

00:11:14.080 oh if i just if we can just stamp this out and you know these awful opinions then everything will be

00:11:22.120 fine but you can't do that i don't think it's just politicians though i think the public are very

00:11:27.220 badly misinformed about this issue and one of the reasons i don't know if you notice this but

00:11:31.120 even reform people now when they talk about this issue they all go yeah but we must protect

00:11:35.600 children and the reason is that in a lot of people might in a lot of people's minds the online

00:11:40.480 safety bill is about protecting children from violent content pornography etc which i mean elements of

00:11:47.920 it are but most of it isn't about that and the you know you're using a sledgehammer to crack a nut

00:11:54.140 and you're smashing the entire kitchen up in the process that's what's happened um but a lot of people

00:11:59.660 in the public just think it's about safety you know and they haven't really looked into it properly

00:12:04.360 which is what often happens with many of these bills the politicians get them through under fake

00:12:08.940 sloganeering and then we end up where we've ended up yeah and it comes a point and this is not only

00:12:15.080 devastating for the uk domestically we're a laughingstock internationally completely we're a

00:12:21.760 joke the amount of messages i get from like american comedians or big people in america effectively 1.00

00:12:28.600 taking the piss i wake up every morning going what's happening with your shit show of a country 0.99

00:12:33.540 and then there's a it's embarrassing it is embarrassing it's embarrassing you think about 1.00

00:12:38.320 the things that this country has given the world the thinkers the writers the poets that you know the

00:12:44.660 people shakespeare was controversial in his days shakespeare was deeply controversial

00:12:49.760 what would we do now what lock him up i mean we probably would and what pissed me off the most is

00:12:56.080 actually west streeting who i actually who's a labor minister but i actually think he's broadly very

00:12:59.660 sensible guy yeah uh i respect him you know might not agree with all his politics but i respect him

00:13:04.960 he came out over the weekend and he was like well don't blame the police you know it's about

00:13:09.700 legislators getting the legislation wrong i'm like we're not blaming the police we're blaming you 0.95

00:13:14.280 dickhead we've been saying this for years yeah you pass bad law and then you will criminalize 0.98

00:13:19.840 speech and then by the way we've still got these non-crime hate incidents which is basically where

00:13:25.060 you've done nothing wrong according to the law but we're going to blame you call your hate criminal

00:13:28.880 anyway yeah and if you do an enhanced security check which you will need to do if you want to be a

00:13:34.400 teacher a doctor in a position or one of those types of professions and that comes up you probably

00:13:40.660 aren't going to get the job right so there's people who are going to be very talented capable people

00:13:45.800 who are denied jobs because of something that they wrote which isn't even criminal

00:13:50.880 you go what we're in a crap version of china because at least in china things work mate i went to see my

00:13:58.320 acupuncturist who's just spent a month in china she's chinese china is way ahead of us on tech and all that 0.94

00:14:05.140 kind of stuff it's incredible so it's better too so we're falling behind in in many of these

00:14:11.840 different things while also adopting some of the authoritarianism at the same time it doesn't make

00:14:16.480 any sense it doesn't make any sense and you just it has to come to a point and i think the good thing

00:14:23.340 if we're looking at the positives i think people are finally realizing where we are yeah because before

00:14:29.040 you could deny it before you could go oh you know that's a fringe issue or this person let's be

00:14:35.060 fair they're dodgy and they said a dodgy thing a beloved comedy writer who makes a joke about trans

00:14:42.000 people in bathrooms and you've got five armed guards that is the moment where everybody i think went

00:14:49.140 hang on a second in the interest of accuracy we should say that i think the reason they were armed

00:14:55.520 is the police officers at airports are all armed yeah that's probably why they were armed however

00:15:00.460 you can see it from graham's perspective you've got five guys with firearms arresting you you know i

00:15:04.740 think he had a bit of a panic attack or something he had to go to hospital because his heart rate was

00:15:08.460 through the roof etc so and we you know graham is a is a uh what would be the right i'm trying to find

00:15:13.920 the right language he's a he's a bit of a big softy i would say yeah he has a kind of nervous

00:15:18.860 disposition so i imagine it would have been very difficult for him um and unpleasant but

00:15:24.660 he was not being arrested by armed officers because you know it was designed to intimidate

00:15:29.800 him or whatever i just think police officers at airports are armed yeah it's my understanding

00:15:33.400 absolutely but they were about transmits so it's just it's just crazy um the good news is though

00:15:40.520 and uh thanks to angela reina who we'll talk about there's been a reshuffle and now i'm sure

00:15:45.920 everything will be fine yeah exactly exactly so i'm sure i mean it's a really interesting situation

00:15:53.800 will the labor government because normally a government runs out of steam towards the end

00:15:59.100 of the first term or in its second or most like or third term i mean it it's barely been a year 0.99

00:16:06.660 and they're on their ass and everybody's just like looking at it going i mean this is going to die 0.96

00:16:13.460 pretty quickly and it's not if it's when and how quickly it's going to die and so the angela reina 0.99

00:16:20.460 thing is just another body blow for a labor government that's run out of ideas it doesn't

00:16:26.720 know what it's doing and it's not fit for purpose well i don't know if you remember but after the last

00:16:31.980 election in which labor won the landslide that they currently enjoy i did a article and video on

00:16:36.640 our channel called uh labor's landslide shows the country's moving to the right um sound kind of

00:16:42.560 crazy one they've just won this landslide but the point i made in that video in that article

00:16:46.840 first and foremost was the problems labor are inheriting are structural in nature and that all 0.98

00:16:54.040 of their bullshit claims about how the country is being ruined by the evil tories because they hate 0.97

00:17:00.560 the poor and all of this other stuff is going to turn out to be vacuous drivel very quickly and then 0.99

00:17:05.700 they're going to realize they're saddled with all the same problems yeah which is what's happening

00:17:09.120 number one but the other thing is this is the thing is you want to run your mouth you want to talk a 0.99

00:17:15.620 lot about the other side i respect that like i talk a lot of shit about people and things and 0.66

00:17:20.840 whatever but you best be able to back it up and if you talk about the evil tories like nadeem zahawi 0.79

00:17:28.140 who i've never been a big fan of by the way you know having dodgy tax affairs and all this stuff

00:17:33.900 you best make sure that you're whiter than white when it comes to your affairs now with angela rayner 0.57

00:17:39.460 i have to say it's still an ongoing discussion from some of the things i've seen i actually think

00:17:46.340 she's kind of victim to something that 99 of people would fall victim to so what happened with her is

00:17:53.140 basically the british tax code is so complicated you have to get loads of tax advice if you're doing

00:17:58.800 anything remotely challenging with it and she got legal advice about the trust that she had for the

00:18:06.120 disabled child while selling a problem super complicated and they said in the legal advice

00:18:11.140 you're probably all right but you get you best get specialist tax advice and what she did is what 99

00:18:18.040 percent of people would do in that situation which is not get the specialist tax advice and just for

00:18:22.020 chance yeah right if you are then going to end up being deputy prime minister that will probably come 0.97

00:18:27.140 back to bite you in the ass but that is not the same as someone actively setting out 0.95

00:18:31.560 to profit from tax shenanigans right there's also some questions about the revision of the value of 0.99

00:18:39.800 the property that it's an ongoing discussion but and so i actually would be quite prepared to defend

00:18:46.800 her on the basis that you know a lot of the people people won't agree with this people will hate this

00:18:52.440 or you see this all in the comments oh you know she should be held these are this is going to be

00:18:57.580 coming from a lot of the people who've paid a bill to cash in hand yeah you've done all of the

00:19:01.240 stuff that we all know people do and by the way i'll be honest with you i don't do it simply because

00:19:06.740 i know that people are going to be rummaging around in our stuff but most people who are not public

00:19:11.520 figures in some way let's be honest yeah most people in britain the very same ones who are

00:19:16.840 complaining about angela reyner will like i say pay a bill to cash in hand or do a little bit of this 0.97

00:19:21.720 everybody does it to some extent particularly when it comes to super complex things you probably just

00:19:27.000 can't be asked okay they've said it's all right it's probably all right you know what i mean yeah 0.96

00:19:30.040 however she is the very person that talked all the shit about the the conservative ministers who 0.96

00:19:38.000 ended up having to resign over the same type of thing and if you create this ridiculous standard 0.98

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00:21:30.200 well i mean that's it so she was labor's attack dog basically and then she was actually really good

00:21:40.900 there was you can see clips online about going after boris johnson and boris johnson reeling and

00:21:46.980 not being able to handle her which i found actually quite satisfying but the problem is is like you

00:21:54.400 said is that you adopt and every part political party needs one of those let's also be very clear

00:22:00.500 left right center you need that kind of bulldog-esque who's going to go after somebody and be relentless 0.96

00:22:07.060 about it and it ain't going to be keir starmer but if you adopt that role you best be sure that

00:22:14.700 everything in your history is squeaky clean because you are going to make a lot of enemies and they're

00:22:21.740 going to use whatever they can in order to bring you down just like you have done to them well this

00:22:26.800 might sound idealistic but i would much rather we lived in a world where we kind of understood that

00:22:31.740 this is an impossible standard for people to meet and if we're going to destroy government after

00:22:39.360 government after government over these things i don't actually think that's conducive to a healthy

00:22:44.800 political climate i i just don't i don't think we want people in politics who've never ever ever ever

00:22:52.900 even remotely done anything that can be in the super bright light of media scrutiny be misconstrued or

00:22:59.080 presented as this person being the most evil tax evading person whatever but if politicians keep

00:23:05.080 setting this standard for their opponents then they will keep reaping that same those same consequences

00:23:09.740 by the way one other thing on this can they please stop crying oh my god can they can i it's you know

00:23:17.400 that thing about two-tier t-i-e-r now it's becoming the two-tier t-e-a-r government yeah why why do you

00:23:24.560 keep crying i mean this is crying do you think vladimir putin is looking at rachel reeves

00:23:32.240 snivelling into a snot rag and going you know you know you dimitri we must call off him we must call 0.97

00:23:38.980 off war they're too strong i can can they please stop crying why are you crying i don't want i don't

00:23:45.700 want to see you crying you're supposed to be the leaders of our country who like you say are supposed

00:23:51.520 to project strength across the world why are you crying on tv because because you up your taxes or

00:23:58.520 whatever it is and now you have to stop crying can they please all stop crying you know could you

00:24:05.200 imagine like churchill just coming up churchill did cry a fair bit he did but he did it he did in

00:24:11.900 private yeah exactly like a real man exactly i don't want to hear about your mental health but you

00:24:17.860 know what you say that in a satirical way i mean it i don't want to hear about the prime minister's

00:24:24.280 mental health no i the person at the top of our country who's in charge should be the most mentally

00:24:29.880 resilient person that we've ever seen in human history who doesn't break who doesn't fail who's

00:24:35.580 always there on the ball and he can have his breakdown when he leaves power yeah and people

00:24:40.940 think i'm joking i'm not joking i do not care about your mental health if you're the prime minister

00:24:45.460 no or the chancellor do your job this is it and because the whole point of being a prime minister

00:24:52.760 is you are meant to be prime ministerial you are meant to be the person the guy and it is a man

00:24:59.660 right who comes out and everyone's like that's our guy that's our leader he's in charge he knows what

00:25:06.600 he's doing in fairness it wasn't him crying it's all it's all the women he's appointed and look

00:25:11.960 i just stop crying yeah i i'm not interested i'm genuinely incredibly not interested and then

00:25:20.420 everyone talks about the crying and like oh i feel sorry for her i don't you wanted the job you wanted

00:25:26.180 one of the most difficult jobs a person can do that's on you yeah i wouldn't be able to do it yeah

00:25:32.360 but at least i know that yeah at least i don't go and then start going

00:25:36.020 what's xi jinping thinking he must be pissing himself if he had a sense of humor which he

00:25:42.400 probably doesn't yeah but we're a joke we arrest people for tweets our politicians are crying all

00:25:49.360 the time our country's going down the toilet yeah well uh the result of her resignation of course is

00:25:56.200 there's been a big reshuffle uh david lammy now deputy prime minister the news it just gets even better

00:26:02.080 by the way i don't know if you noticed this i was reading all the news coverage and universally

00:26:06.760 throughout all the media this phrase was used about david lammy which is he was widely known to have

00:26:12.700 worked very hard to establish relationships with other countries in advance of becoming foreign

00:26:18.320 secretary yeah right that's not my recollection of what happened my recollection of what happened

00:26:23.260 i i looked it up i'll actually have to read this we looked it up before we started because this is

00:26:27.680 worth reading out when he was a backbench mp in 2018 not that long ago david lammy described trump

00:26:33.460 as a tyrant a woman hating neo-nazi sympathizing sociopath and then in 2019 ahead of his state visit 0.91

00:26:40.340 to the ek lammy also posted that he was deluded dishonest xenophobic narcissistic and no friend of 0.94

00:26:46.740 britain but in his first interview since trump's victory david lammy told the bbc the president-elect

00:26:52.960 was someone that we can build a relationship with in our national interest

00:26:57.180 do you know these people are shameless i know mate just absolutely shameless do you know how tarnished 0.69

00:27:07.300 david lammy is i'll tell you how tarnished he is he's become the first black deputy prime minister 0.99

00:27:14.960 always about to be no one's mentioned his race no one's mentioned his race you'd expect the left to 0.98

00:27:21.260 have their dicks out and going this is amazing the only thing that could be better if he was trans 1.00

00:27:25.560 but no one's even mentioned it because it's like oh it's him by the way by all accounts david lammy 0.97

00:27:32.040 very smart went to harvard and up until a certain point was saying some really sensible things about

00:27:38.420 fatherlessness in the inner city communities and all this stuff and then just went mental

00:27:43.220 is right because i'd say about 10 to 15 years ago he was blue labor david lammy he was on the right

00:27:51.360 of the labor party with particularly when it comes to culture yeah and then when the woke movement here

00:27:56.980 i mean he i mean he didn't even drink the colade he just froze some of it used it as a support

00:28:01.860 suppository so it could be done from both ends and he went absolutely tonto anyway he's deputy prime

00:28:07.320 minister now and the home secretary shabana mahoud who was until very very recently seen at globalize

00:28:14.040 the intifada rallies that's not to love and by the way you know we joke about all of this but

00:28:20.140 i tell you something now i know a lot of people as you do in the american halls of power they don't look

00:28:27.840 at these issues the way that we do they think we're going to share our security intelligence

00:28:32.720 information with these people people who are they're globalizing the intifada rallies yeah you

00:28:37.760 think like this is seriously discrediting and by the way shabana mahoud is seen within the labor

00:28:43.020 party is going to be she's going to be tough on immigration right yeah well she's she's very much

00:28:49.080 apparently to the right of the labor party says a lot about the labor party i don't know mate i was

00:28:54.260 reading so she's a pro castrating nonsense is she yeah she came out i'm starting to like her 0.98

00:28:59.800 yeah she came out and said yeah i think we need to castrate them maybe we need more muslims 1.00

00:29:04.100 in halls of power mate because at least they got traditional values on those things yeah and also 0.96

00:29:08.840 when it came to the assisted dime bill she voted against him from a religious point of view so it's

00:29:14.440 kind of and i think people don't talk about this enough as the muslim population grows the muslim

00:29:21.420 population traditionally will be largely predominantly labor voters and i think here starmer is looking at

00:29:29.800 your party or whatever it's called the jeremy corbyn he's looking at the independents who are gaining

00:29:35.800 traction on basically gaza and palestine yeah and he's thinking to himself i've got to hold this broad

00:29:43.340 coalition together i've got to hold you know the you know the white working class the metropolitan

00:29:48.840 liberals the muslims so he's going to have to put people in to appease all these difference all these 1.00

00:29:57.000 different people which is why i think losing angela rayner is such a body blow to him because for a

00:30:02.280 party that purports to be about the working classes you're looking at a lot of those front benches

00:30:07.660 you're like you you working well it's angela rayner had the backstory and now that she's gone yeah that's

00:30:15.120 that's a real blow to them in terms of the optics and what you're gonna get uh you know i mean you've

00:30:21.900 got you literally have someone whose job it is to be in charge of policing immigration etc

00:30:26.080 who is attending globalize the i mean do do people understand what that means

00:30:31.760 globalize the interface the interface is a violent terrorist movement that's what the interface is

00:30:39.600 so global like people i don't really understand how that's going to work but that and and this is

00:30:47.640 something again not not to spend this entire episode talking about how brilliant we are but

00:30:51.500 when i remember when i first spoke out about woke culture and this far left ideology infecting

00:31:00.920 british culture and politics and everything people were like well why like oh you turned down that

00:31:07.660 contract once people said you can't make jokes at a comedy event at a university well these are just

00:31:12.360 young people you know they're just students students are always a bit crazy on this stuff

00:31:17.580 well no they're gonna grow up and then they're gonna become lawyers and eventually they'll become

00:31:23.660 politicians and influential people and this is what you have now this ridiculously simplistic like

00:31:30.040 there's a sign of her standing with a free palestine thing and irrespective of what you think about

00:31:35.060 what's happening in gaza standing with a placard with the words free palestine is not going to

00:31:41.720 resolve the middle east no peace crisis has been going on for 70 years it's simplistic student

00:31:48.500 politics sloganeering and that person is now in charge of the home office so what you've ended up

00:31:55.160 with is essentially people in power who think that just saying some simplistic words is the way to achieve

00:32:02.240 things i don't think it is no no and it's and there's going to be a lot of people who look at this

00:32:11.020 and think like in america and going can we share state secrets can we work together particularly

00:32:17.320 when you have people in america who are very pro-israel right and you go with this this is a

00:32:23.660 fundamental incompatibility i think what's really worrying on a broad level is we have got a political

00:32:31.660 party that is simply not fit for purpose and my concern is going to be they're going to limp on

00:32:36.880 things are going to get worse and worse and worse until we get to another election you i was reading

00:32:44.180 how one there's a group of labor mps who were talking openly about needing to tax the rich even

00:32:51.540 more increase taxes in order to improve public spending i'm going you're just what are you doing

00:32:58.460 these are people who have no understanding of business how to run a business how to generate wealth

00:33:05.480 well if you don't know how to run a business you don't know how to generate wealth then why are you

00:33:09.500 in charge of the economy well if you look at most of the people in the labor cabinet most of them don't

00:33:15.880 have business experience they all have public service experience or university experience or

00:33:22.460 politics experience um so that's why one of the reasons that they they treat wealth as something that

00:33:29.840 government creates because they don't understand where it comes from so to them it's just about you put

00:33:34.180 taxes up you get more money off these evil blood sucking leeching rich people and the problem is

00:33:40.780 you know when they made the changes on the non-doms the non-doms just left and you haven't got more

00:33:45.480 money you've just alienated lots of rich people okay fine i mean if you want to if you want to do that

00:33:51.380 for ideological reasons i get it it's the same thing they did with v80 on private school fees it's it's

00:33:56.700 just about punishing people for having aspiration it's not actually raising a lot of money no

00:34:03.000 dozens of schools have closed as a result that there will be hundreds maybe thousands maybe tens

00:34:10.340 of thousands of children that don't get the education they otherwise would have got a better

00:34:14.820 education uh for which their parents were paying therefore taking the burden off the state system

00:34:20.080 right but it's just ideology it's about punishing people for success and for aspiration

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00:36:05.420 suvw german engineered for all i had a real issue with the school fees is because there was a

00:36:12.420 conversation to be had because every private school is a registered charity and maybe we needed to have

00:36:17.380 a conversation like you're a registered charity what's your turnover can you get any kids in on

00:36:23.040 a scholarship maybe just one or two if you're a tiny i mean most private schools do have scholarships

00:36:27.900 do there's one or two that don't i remember i had a friend of mine who uh worked in a very prestigious

00:36:33.020 private school where the sons of the beckhams went and they had no scholarships whatsoever that is

00:36:39.460 unacceptable right but you we can have a conversation about it and go okay well maybe this maybe that

00:36:45.520 and then we can work together to ensure opportunity to opportunity for talented kids who couldn't

00:36:52.260 otherwise afford that type of education right but to just use that blanket that to me was that

00:36:59.780 would to me was an act of class warfare it was that's what it was that but that's what this is

00:37:04.580 what they do this is what they do because you can't actually fix the real problems of the economy if

00:37:10.060 you're wedded to the ideology that they're wedded to and and people will see when our episode with

00:37:15.140 catherine porter comes out just how much this country is crippled by its net zero policies that are

00:37:21.800 actually not achieving the results that they should be you can't grow an economy when you've got

00:37:26.100 some of the highest electricity and energy prices in the world because the economy is energy

00:37:32.220 transformed into products and services that's what that's what you do right so but but if you're

00:37:39.300 wedded to net zero then you will always have these economic issues that we we have now um anyway yeah i

00:37:46.580 just i i my sense uh is i'm actually people will think that we're being very negative and we are

00:37:54.720 i'm incredibly optimistic i think this is all great i do i know you're an accelerationist i i've

00:38:03.280 become an accelerationist i actually think at this point chris williamson talks about this we talked

00:38:08.180 about i just recorded an episode with him and he's he's the one that introduced me to this concept but

00:38:13.020 basically if you're stuck in a relationship there's like a six out of ten or a job there's like a six

00:38:18.100 out of ten which basically means you're not happy but it's not so bad that you are just driven to

00:38:24.020 leave that's actually in many ways the worst place to be so that's where i feel britain has been for

00:38:30.500 some time now we are kind of at a point where we all know things are getting worse and worse and worse

00:38:35.100 and are bad but they're not so bad that people have the incentive to just go you know what we need like

00:38:42.280 real change not just to change from a useless conservative party to useless labor party but actually

00:38:47.860 to give somebody a bit more radical an opportunity that's not to say that more radical is necessarily

00:38:53.240 guaranteed to change everything for the better radicalism by definition is extreme and therefore

00:38:59.880 can have extreme good and bad to it yeah which i i imagine will happen i mean whether it's the reform

00:39:06.440 or the green party right if you're on the opposite side of that you you're going to see there'll be

00:39:12.940 issues with competence there'll be issues with delivery but my point is i think at this point

00:39:17.540 the only way that the status quo will be destroyed is if things get so bad people actually can't put up

00:39:24.260 with that anymore yeah and i i think that's the only way out and so the worse things get the happier i am

00:39:29.980 i will say this illegal immigration is obviously a massive problem immigration has been a problem in

00:39:36.060 this country for far too long far too long and the government successive governments have essentially

00:39:41.620 gaslit a nation that is unforgivable it's why i despise the tories and i don't want them in because

00:39:47.300 i don't think they can be trusted but to those people online who think that we're going to get rid of

00:39:52.980 the illegal immigrants and other immigrants and suddenly we're going to be living in this magical 0.98

00:39:57.500 world where we're all back to the glory days whatever they were not going to happen we need you need to

00:40:03.260 grow the economy until we grow the economy none of this matters and it's not just growing the economy

00:40:09.240 we have got a huge swathe of the population who are not working right they are on disability

00:40:16.620 incapacity benefits they're not working yeah all of that's going to have to change and that's the

00:40:23.040 structural problems that i'm talking about you have to scrap net zero you have to look people aren't

00:40:28.520 going to like it people are not going to like it when you take benefits away that you've trapped

00:40:33.800 people into yeah by saying to them if you feel a bit down today you're probably depressed here you

00:40:38.680 go here's a here's a check of fraser nelson when he was on the show he talked about all of this

00:40:42.300 people are being trapped in the cycle of dependency it's not their fault it's part of it is their

00:40:48.700 responsibility but look i i talked to chris about this and i said to him look you and i and you and i too

00:40:54.380 this is true of me and you too we are people who've always had a lot of drive and a lot of ambition and

00:40:59.160 a lot of aspiration maybe above average yeah i don't know but let's say that we do just for

00:41:05.680 argument's sake if some if you when you were in your mid-20s you were not having a great time in

00:41:12.440 life no neither was i right both a bit depressed we're struggling with this struggling with that

00:41:17.500 addiction whatever right if someone said to you i'm going to give you 25 grand a year 0.99

00:41:22.940 no questions asked to sit on your ass at home and do whatever you want would you have turned it 0.98

00:41:27.560 down no most people would not have turned that down and they wouldn't be happy in the end they 0.99

00:41:32.900 would not be fulfilled their life would lack meaning and purpose but they would be comfortable enough

00:41:37.200 that they would not do anything to get out of that situation they would have been comfortably

00:41:42.340 miserable comfortably miserable is exactly where they'd be so once you've trapped a lot of people in

00:41:47.660 this situation you then take those benefits away from them they're not going to be happy about it

00:41:52.780 it's taking methadone away from an addict but what choice do we have right there is no choice about

00:41:58.960 this we have to end the fact that so so many people are not working right you have to grow the economy

00:42:04.200 you have to scrap net zero these are the things now look dealing with illegal immigration is incredibly

00:42:09.960 important fairness it does cost a lot of money all of these other things it's a security risk

00:42:15.520 we have to deal with it but people need to understand even if you get a party like reform that comes in

00:42:21.400 stops illegal immigration maybe even deports lots and lots of people who need deporting that's great 0.99

00:42:27.560 that is not going to make britain great again no it is one of the many problems that are plaguing our

00:42:34.780 society that is plaguing us as a country and i think that people are hyper fixating on the immigration

00:42:40.740 issue because it's easier than actually looking at all the other problems it reminds me of like a fat

00:42:46.980 person you know when a fat person is massively fat they're like well i'm going to lose my i'm going

00:42:50.600 to lose weight and everything's going to be sorted out i'm like it's not going to sort the job that

00:42:56.520 you're miserable at it's not going to sort your relationship that is failing it's going to be look

00:43:01.220 your health's going to get better you're going to feel better you're going to look better you're

00:43:03.760 going to have more energy but that ain't going to sort out all the other problems but just like with

00:43:08.580 the fat person the illegal immigration issue has to be dealt with yeah absolutely and it's really

00:43:13.660 important but there are more things beyond that which is one of the big reasons the country is

00:43:18.720 where it is and one of them you know the other thing we wanted to talk about and this is an american

00:43:23.380 story but the reason it resonates around the world is i think we've all seen this happen in our

00:43:27.740 countries is crime violent crime and particularly violent crime that is happening and being committed

00:43:37.420 by people who keep getting arrested and released arrested and released arrested and released who don't

00:43:43.580 spend enough time in jail who are not disincentivized from from their behavior and the general sense of

00:43:49.320 arising lack of you know safety in society and this is of course the horrific murder of uh this

00:43:56.920 ukrainian woman who fled um the conflict in ukraine ends up in in america and and she gets on a train

00:44:05.560 in charlotte and the guy just looks at her there's no interaction sitting behind her gets a knife out

00:44:11.900 and stabs her to death and that's bad enough but then you go it was going massive on social media

00:44:23.480 over the weekend it's not been covered by the bbc it's not been covered by the overwhelming majority

00:44:29.840 of mainstream media outlets as of the time of recording which is monday morning in britain has

00:44:36.820 been covered by the telegraph and now as of literally an hour ago the times that's it and

00:44:43.400 look you know me and people watching our show know how much we resent the re-racialization of society 1.00

00:44:51.760 and the obsession about race and everything is about race and it does my head in we should not be

00:44:57.020 thinking like that however after we've had this decade of everything being about race you have to ask 0.89

00:45:04.580 why this story is not being covered and it just so happens that the perpetrator is black and the

00:45:08.980 victim is white and you go imagine if the skin colors were the other way around and he was a white 0.96

00:45:17.080 person that stabbed a beautiful completely innocent girl to death on a train who who was black would we 0.99

00:45:25.540 be would we be talking about it more do you think i mean it's undeniable at this point isn't it it is

00:45:33.280 undeniable and and the reason these crimes or these incidents go viral isn't just because of the crime

00:45:39.520 even though it's it's an awful crime and it's a 23 year old girl cut down in her youth and it was

00:45:45.680 the fact that she fled ukraine adds an even more horrifying element to this it's because it taps into

00:45:52.520 something which you've just alluded to and it taps into this feeling with people in the west and it's not

00:45:58.840 just people in this country in america i think it's people across the west who see their cities

00:46:03.720 and communities descending into lawlessness who see things like i go to i i go to my local tube station

00:46:11.600 and i feel like i'm in downtown la i'm i feel like i'm in downtown la there's there's all this just

00:46:17.840 homeless people there's they're aggressive there's people just pushing past the barriers people you know

00:46:23.860 the the the guards aren't doing anything and you're going what's happening it just feels like

00:46:30.740 we're descending into something that is not very pleasant and for me as someone everyone can drink

00:46:38.020 who saw what happened in venezuela i'm going i'm seeing the same kind of descent i'm walking in london

00:46:45.440 and going and certain parts of london that used to be beautiful going this is starting to feel like

00:46:50.180 downtown caracas in the early noughties and you just go this feels like a civilization if a

00:47:00.440 civilization is a knitted jumper it just feels like we're pulling the threads and watching it slowly

00:47:06.240 unravel and i think people are terrified and to be honest with you i think they've got every right to

00:47:12.460 be well my point about the media coverage is it's very significant i mean look george floyd what

00:47:18.660 happened to him was terrible but i mean it tore the western society apart in like dozens of

00:47:25.260 countries daniel penny right this is a guy he's sitting on on a on in in a train carriage in in

00:47:32.440 new york there's a guy who's threatening all the passengers he grabs him in a chokehold and

00:47:36.980 as a result of that the guy dies or maybe even not as a result maybe it's the way the medical

00:47:42.660 treatment he was given after we don't quite know right the media ran story after story basically

00:47:46.740 calling him a murderer right he was eventually acquitted in a trial which it should never have

00:47:51.040 gone to trial the guy was she he should have been given the medal instead of a trial the guy was a

00:47:54.320 hero defending fellow passengers but he happened to be white and the person he grabbed in a chokehold

00:47:59.580 happened to be black right so wall-to-wall coverage right and by the way these are the same media 0.96

00:48:06.300 organizations that lost their shit about me too now there were some legitimate things about me too 1.00

00:48:12.220 right harvey weinstein is a scumbag and all of the other people who engage in horrific behavior like that 0.99

00:48:16.540 but anziz ansari is a little bit pushy on a date and they basically ruin his life and here is a 0.99

00:48:24.640 woman being stabbed to death in a random violent attack is that not a me too issue yeah is that not

00:48:31.240 a me too issue we don't care about the safety of women unless it's comedians offering them to give 0.99

00:48:35.820 them a blowjob or if the skin colors are the wrong way around what is this yeah it's so so so depressing 0.98

00:48:43.380 because everybody knows there's fundamental inconsistencies there's hypocrisies right at 0.98

00:48:49.680 the heart of all of the of this case and the fact that we it makes me it makes me so worried because

00:48:58.080 i think that we're now living particularly in the west because of social media and a lot of other

00:49:03.820 reasons we're living in these two camps and you go can can we carry on like this can we carry on if

00:49:11.160 we just feel like we're being perpetually gaslit because in a way we are but we are being gaslit

00:49:16.960 this this is a this is a case where because of the the races of the people involved it's not being

00:49:23.820 covered the way that it would be covered if the races were the other way around we know this yeah

00:49:28.420 now that is not acceptable that is not acceptable and i remember when i did this uh norway debate um

00:49:35.580 with yanis varifakis and cynthia i can't remember her surname and i said that we have created a

00:49:42.040 framework of racism that works the other way around now where institutions and are openly racist against

00:49:48.440 white people all the people laughed in the audience but that's what's happening yeah that is what's

00:49:53.940 happening and it's completely unacceptable it's unacceptable for institutions to be racist against

00:49:58.980 black people and it's unacceptable for institutions including the media to be racist against white

00:50:04.940 people and that is what's happening here yeah there's no other explanation no one i can't think

00:50:10.140 of a different explanation of why this story is not being covered and you go okay if that that is the

00:50:18.020 case and then you look at it societally and you're going well if we carry on down this path then what

00:50:23.040 we're going to end up with is somewhere really dark yeah which is inevitably some kind of race war 0.98

00:50:28.620 of course but if you if you antagonize people in this way and if instead of saying what we want is

00:50:34.860 fair treatment for everybody which is what we want we don't want white power or black power movements 1.00

00:50:41.320 we want people coexisting peacefully i saw a clip on my instagram of a guy i think he's running

00:50:47.100 uh for something in texas black guy he talked about the fact that he was i think in in in the u.s army

00:50:53.460 during the invasion of iraq or afghanistan and he talked about the fact that he deployed with a hundred

00:50:59.640 people and like 13 of them are dead now of every color and he was like this is my angle on it this is

00:51:04.640 why i don't think about things from a race perspective that's in in a society which has different ethnic

00:51:10.520 groups that's the only way it can work yeah if everybody is treated as an equal citizen and when

00:51:16.820 a terrible thing happens to them it gets the same consternation it gets the same media coverage

00:51:21.900 that is how it should be for everybody black white brown muslim jewish atheist all of it christian

00:51:29.360 all of it and the fact that that is not what's happening is is going to cause a hell of a lot of

00:51:37.760 problems unless it's addressed quickly yeah and also we and i'm not on this one i'm not an acceleration

00:51:43.400 it's because this one doesn't end well no and also we need to go we were at a dinner and there was

00:51:50.260 someone speaking and he was saying you know there's a lot of nice people in hr who were

00:51:55.660 who are woke and discriminating against white men and i didn't say anything but what i wanted

00:52:00.740 because the conversation other people talked and but what i wanted to say is why power exactly

00:52:06.080 give me give me more more country back no what i want to say is these people are not nice

00:52:12.580 that's not a nice thing what they're doing is evil yeah if you discriminate against someone purely on

00:52:18.640 the color of their skin or their gender or their sexuality whatever the race whatever the gender

00:52:24.740 whatever then that is evil that is evil it's as simple as that and you cannot be logical and rational

00:52:31.940 and intellectually honest and go this type of racism is bad but this type of racism well that's

00:52:38.040 all right no what you and i have been saying is for a long time and for a long time until i think now

00:52:44.900 when people are aware of it this was considered some sort of far-right talking point it's not a far-right

00:52:49.500 talking point people should be treated equally yeah and white people should be given all the benefits 0.96

00:52:55.560 of the the rule of law protection under the law that everybody else should we shouldn't have these

00:53:01.120 exceptions for for certain groups and certainly when it comes to media coverage the media need to

00:53:06.180 stop covering up crimes and also to stop emphasizing crimes because of the races of the people involved

00:53:11.820 it's disgusting and also law enforcement and it's not just the police because the police will go what

00:53:18.760 are we meant to do we arrest the guy we put him in front of the courts he goes that's not on us

00:53:24.280 right but the police need to do more the justice system needs to do more the prison system needs to do

00:53:29.860 more we it just can't be and i go back to this there's a reason that robert generick video about

00:53:35.960 the tubes went viral and people go no there's a reason because it taps into something just as this

00:53:42.300 case did we cannot live in the cities and societies where we descend into lawlessness because this is

00:53:50.260 going to happen more and more and people are going to get quite rightly more and more upset that is

00:53:54.560 going to cause more and more friction until something really nasty happens on a societal level

00:54:00.040 we need to take control of it it's not good enough where we are it really isn't i agree well that's us

00:54:07.820 for this week a nice uplifting uplifting message for trigonometry viewers and listeners um we'll do

00:54:13.500 people keep asking us to do these conversations so we'll keep doing them as long as there are things

00:54:17.240 to talk about and there will be and it's always going to be uplifting mate absolutely we'll see you next week

00:54:22.120 getting ready for a game means being ready for anything

00:54:50.720 like packing a spare stick i like to be prepared that's why i remember 988 canada's suicide crisis

00:54:57.580 helpline it's good to know just in case anyone can call or text for free confidential support from

00:55:03.580 a trained responder anytime 988 suicide crisis helpline is funded by the government in canada

TRIGGERnometry - September 09, 2025

Britain's Free Speech Crisis, Rayner and Refugee Murder

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