TRIGGERnometry - Cancelled Anti-PC Comic Speaks Out

00:00:00.000 You tell me what I can't say. You censor what I can.

00:00:04.720 You say I'm offensive because I believe my eyes and I say I see a woman, not a man.

00:00:09.300 You call me thick and racist for not wanting to be a part of a rich man's club in Europe

00:00:14.000 or a globalist new world order with no soul or guts or heart.

00:00:18.440 You throw at me the slave trade. You tell me my five-year-old grandson is to blame.

00:00:22.440 You point your branding, accusing intolerant fingers and tell me to hang my head in shame.

00:00:26.560 I'm free to have opinions as long as they fall in line with yours.

00:00:30.560 I can fly my banners high and proud as long as you support that cause.

00:00:34.600 You have to be right all the time. Yours is the only way.

00:00:38.160 I have to like the things you like, be they black, trans, left or gay.

00:00:42.500 It makes no difference if I tell you I'm not the things for which you accuse

00:00:45.720 because once you've made up your closed-off minds, I'm always going to lose.

00:00:50.120 I have black friends, so you're still a racist.

00:00:52.980 Homophobic, but I've shared beds with gay men.

00:00:55.060 I'm an anti-Semite, but the Rothschilds is the richest banking family in this world

00:00:59.480 and that's got nothing to do with them being Jewish

00:01:01.380 and everything to do with them being multi-billionaires

00:01:03.720 really can influence the dollar pound and yen.

00:01:07.340 You sip your Pinot Grigio in trendy bars down in the smoke

00:01:10.960 looking down your noses with loathsome contempt at billions of working-class folk.

00:01:16.980 Well, I've come here to tell you that you have had your time

00:01:20.700 because the winds of change are blowing and bells of freedom soon will shine

00:01:24.180 because my class, my fucking class, is waking up and staring

00:01:29.360 and we're going to peacefully attack.

00:01:31.540 We're going to breach those peace-seeing walls of segregation

00:01:33.880 that have divided gay, straight, white and black.

00:01:36.100 I've got no malice in my heart.

00:01:39.180 I don't judge people on their sex or creed or race.

00:01:42.500 I don't speak ill of absolute cunts behind the back.

00:01:45.220 Not even the bloke who murdered me dad.

00:01:47.460 I just tell them to the face.

00:01:49.620 So to all you branding liberals who won't allow debate,

00:01:53.280 I hate no man or woman.

00:01:55.560 I just want the right to hate.

00:01:58.020 I want the right to hate like I want the right to love.

00:02:00.900 I want to like and dislike what I want to like and dislike

00:02:04.080 and be able to vocalise it, bruv.

00:02:06.740 I'm not responsible for slavery.

00:02:08.920 And I'm not taking any blame because the white privilege built on black slavery

00:02:11.980 you say that I enjoy, well,

00:02:14.140 Beyonce, Jay-Z, Oprah Winfrey, Rihanna, Floyd Mayweather,

00:02:17.800 Alicia Keys, Jamie Foxx, Barack Obama, et al.

00:02:21.620 All enjoy the same.

00:02:23.920 Beyonce spent $87 million on her house just through shaking the ass

00:02:28.300 while me and our last said at home lamenting about ways to pay the fucking gas.

00:02:32.800 And I don't see too much white privilege in a system

00:02:35.040 that lets East European immigrants or wounded soldiers live in cardboard boxes.

00:02:39.240 Why do Black Lives Matter and progressives fail to see

00:02:41.600 not all white folks live in stately homes chasing fucking foxes?

00:02:45.960 I'm non-homophobic, transphobic or anything phobic you see

00:02:48.760 because I don't fear sex or race or gender.

00:02:50.880 I just won't bow down to your PC.

00:02:54.260 Don't confuse my use of slang with racism and bigotry.

00:02:57.020 Don't confuse my rejection of your shite with spite.

00:03:00.860 Don't naturally assume I'm thick and racist because I'm northern working class.

00:03:04.740 I'm not.

00:03:05.860 I'm articulate, sharp and bright.

00:03:08.120 And I will not walk a minefield every time I open my mouth to speak.

00:03:11.480 And I will not apologise for things I've glibly said or spoken tongue-in-cheek.

00:03:15.700 So shape up or fuck off with your madness because I'm going to bring you down.

00:03:20.580 I'm going to bring working class people together.

00:03:23.220 Muslim, Christian, white and brown.

00:03:24.940 I'm going to bring those globalist walls of Jericho crashing on your brainwashed liberal feet.

00:03:31.520 And I'm going to blow my loving, inclusive, un-PC fanfare.

00:03:36.440 And your communist, fascist, capitalist, socialist, left, right, Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Christian,

00:03:44.860 black, white, gay, straight, male, female, leave, remain, against COVID-19, for COVID-19, against vaccinations, for vaccinations,

00:03:57.800 democratic, republican, north, south, divides.

00:04:01.600 And this, I will defeat.

00:04:04.780 You've divided us, the working classes.

00:04:07.820 And you've conquered us.

00:04:09.620 And you've fucking laughed at us at the top.

00:04:13.600 So I'll come onto my mate's programme to tell you, right now to this camera,

00:04:19.220 it's time for your shit to fucking stop.

00:04:22.600 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry.

00:04:35.040 I'm Francis Foster.

00:04:36.380 I'm Constantine Kishin.

00:04:37.540 And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

00:04:42.880 Our brilliant guest today is one of our favourite comedians working in the UK today

00:04:47.360 who finds himself in a spot of bother.

00:04:49.400 Chris McGlade, welcome to Trigonometry.

00:04:51.120 All right, lads, how are we doing? All right.

00:04:52.220 It's good to have you, man.

00:04:54.160 We have known you for a while and you and I particularly go back a long way.

00:04:57.720 But tell everybody who doesn't know you, who are you?

00:05:00.420 How are you where you are?

00:05:01.560 What has been your journey through life that leads you to be sitting here talking to us?

00:05:05.440 Well, basically, I've been a comedian for 33 years.

00:05:11.740 And for most of that time, I've been a working men's club comedian

00:05:14.900 and working in the social clubs in and around the north, all over the north of England.

00:05:20.140 But I have had forays into the comedy circuit, you know, over the years.

00:05:25.560 And I've done that under my own steam, you know.

00:05:28.200 And I don't know how these people on that, in the main middle class progressive kind of like comedy circuit take me.

00:05:34.800 I've always tried to amalgamate both styles of humour, really.

00:05:38.040 So I've got this, like, unique approach.

00:05:41.140 And I do that not only in the middle class circuit here in London, on the comedy circuit,

00:05:46.460 but also in those working men's clubs.

00:05:47.980 So I've been doing that for some time now, to great effect.

00:05:53.640 And my comedy has become more political over the last 11 or 12 years, in particular.

00:06:01.060 Because I fought a political campaign in Medcar that was totally corrupted, really.

00:06:06.820 We exposed all kinds of things and changed the law in this country regarding open spaces.

00:06:12.340 And after that, it was kind of like my comedy, when I'd seen, like, the level of corruption and things locally.

00:06:25.360 My comedy had to reflect that, if you know what I mean.

00:06:28.180 I had to start speaking out about things that I felt were bullshit.

00:06:32.280 And, like I say, I've tried to do that in that middle class comedy circuit style,

00:06:39.620 but I've always tried to stay true to my working men's club roots and that quick, you know, one-liner style of comedy.

00:06:49.120 And I don't work very much.

00:06:56.380 But I guess I've never been in comedy for the money, do you know?

00:07:00.260 I mean, I've never sort of been one that's...

00:07:02.540 I mean, I appreciate I've got to make a living, but it's always been the love of it.

00:07:06.980 And over the last 11 years or so, it's wanting to say things, if you know what I mean,

00:07:13.760 that I think stinks.

00:07:18.120 And I've been trying to do that more and more over the years, you know.

00:07:23.480 But, like I say, 32 years...

00:07:25.300 Well, 33 years this year I've been a comedian.

00:07:27.180 And when I met you, a mutual friend of ours, when we were at the Edinburgh Festival at the same time,

00:07:33.460 I didn't know who you were, I went to see you in the caves.

00:07:37.800 You had this massive room, it was 120 seater, I think, big.

00:07:41.720 And the day I saw you, there was nine people in, one row.

00:07:46.880 And I sat there, watched you for an hour, played to nine people.

00:07:49.880 I think two of them were German Tories, you couldn't understand a word.

00:07:52.120 And I came back again, because that's how good it was.

00:07:56.840 And that's the thing that you do, is you combine, as you say, good jokes, really good funny jokes.

00:08:03.640 You hate political correctness.

00:08:05.960 And you talk about the political things that are happening in the world today.

00:08:10.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:08:11.180 I mean, I just, I'm trying to...

00:08:13.380 What I've always wanted to do is I've always wanted to bring both sides of comedy together.

00:08:17.580 So, like, I think at the moment, comedy's too imbalanced.

00:08:24.540 It's too hot, top-heavy in one direction.

00:08:27.980 The whole of the industry these days is controlled by middle-class, progressive kind of people.

00:08:35.400 Whether it be agents, whether it be promoters, bookers, the comedy clubs, certainly.

00:08:41.580 And I've been trying to sort of, like, even things up, to a certain degree, if you know what I mean,

00:08:49.340 by bringing working-class, traditional working-class humour into these places,

00:08:56.120 but mixing it with the kind of humour that you would find in a comedy club.

00:08:59.600 Because I think working-class comedians, or working men's club comedians,

00:09:08.140 they never get a look in.

00:09:09.400 When was the last time you saw a working men's club comedian?

00:09:11.340 And I know stacks of lads on the circuit who were really funny men,

00:09:15.060 and they would never get a look in at Live on the Apollo,

00:09:17.760 or any of these kind of game shows, or panel shows, or whatever.

00:09:21.480 Do you know what I mean?

00:09:21.840 Because they're not...

00:09:23.640 They don't put forward the humour.

00:09:25.240 They don't do the humour that these people who control comedy like.

00:09:29.760 And it's a discrimination, in a way, for me.

00:09:32.800 It is a discrimination.

00:09:34.300 And why do you think it is, Chris,

00:09:36.000 they don't want to put these types of comedians on telly and all the rest of it?

00:09:40.220 Because they don't like them.

00:09:41.220 That's as similar as that.

00:09:42.580 It's like the people who control comedy,

00:09:46.080 they have their perceptions of what comedy should be,

00:09:49.320 and it isn't what's in the working men's clubs.

00:09:51.340 They think it's hacked, they think it's all dated, and perhaps it is.

00:09:54.220 But it appeals to millions and millions and millions of people.

00:09:58.040 Do you know what I mean?

00:09:58.460 I mean, listen, I wear this unashamedly all the time, right?

00:10:02.780 I've got loads of T-shirts that say a working class man.

00:10:05.100 I'm absolutely proud of my class, right?

00:10:07.940 And I'm even more proud of my class by virtue of the fact

00:10:11.480 that we don't get a seat at the table.

00:10:14.300 Do you know what I mean?

00:10:15.560 And everything is controlled by this middle class progressive mindset.

00:10:21.840 And when I sit in the club,

00:10:24.700 or when I sit in the pub with the lads,

00:10:26.440 they'll say, oh, did you see that comedian?

00:10:28.360 And they tell you, fucking rubbish.

00:10:30.240 Didn't understand him.

00:10:31.460 What's he talking about?

00:10:32.400 Wasn't even funny.

00:10:33.340 And they say,

00:10:34.900 you see, these people control comedy.

00:10:36.540 You put these comedians on the television

00:10:38.000 because they like them,

00:10:39.340 but they don't necessarily have broad appeal.

00:10:42.040 And I'm not slagging any comedian off.

00:10:43.520 I'm just saying it's wrong that it's only one kind of comedy

00:10:46.140 that's been foisted on the public of this country

00:10:48.200 time and time and time again.

00:10:50.720 Because there are millions of working class people, right,

00:10:53.600 who love the comedians who go in the working men's clubs.

00:10:58.000 And yet their taste in comedy isn't catered for on television

00:11:02.360 or anything else, you know.

00:11:04.960 And I just, I think I try to be a bit of a Trojan horse, really.

00:11:10.720 Taking one set, one kind of humour into a comedy club

00:11:14.640 and taking the comedy club.

00:11:15.980 Because it's a flip thing with me,

00:11:17.860 because I always try and take that middle class comedy

00:11:20.360 kind of comedy that I do,

00:11:22.180 I try and take that into the working men's clubs

00:11:23.760 or in a sportsman's dinner too, do you know what I mean?

00:11:25.620 So it's balanced.

00:11:27.680 But I can see that I've been a comedian for 33 years,

00:11:30.480 so I can do different kinds of comedy.

00:11:33.860 If you want me to be over the top, I'll be over the top.

00:11:35.460 If you want me to be clean, I'll be clean.

00:11:37.240 And Chris, what would you say to those people,

00:11:39.580 like these middle class liberals,

00:11:40.960 who go, well, hang on, you know,

00:11:42.420 you just want to go on stage, you know,

00:11:44.300 do Bernard Manning-esque style jokes from the 1970s.

00:11:47.540 Because society's moved on and you need to accept that.

00:11:51.040 Well, it's not about doing Bernard Manning-style jokes.

00:11:56.660 When you watch these guys on the After Dinner Speaking circuit,

00:11:59.320 you know, they are funny guys.

00:12:01.500 They don't do Bernard Manning-style material.

00:12:05.280 Once again, it's like a small-minded view of these comedians.

00:12:09.960 You know, it's like I've said to a couple of comedy critics,

00:12:12.960 when was the last time you ever went into a working men's club?

00:12:15.360 LAUGHTER

00:12:15.920 And reviewed a comedian.

00:12:22.220 When was the last time you, you know?

00:12:24.980 And they haven't, have they, you know?

00:12:27.060 And I just, it's just the discrimination.

00:12:29.800 And I think that working class people are discriminated in lots of ways.

00:12:36.580 But especially in comedy.

00:12:39.180 Especially in comedy.

00:12:40.060 You can get, if you're working class and you do the style of comedy

00:12:44.980 that, you know, everybody else does in the comedy clubs, that's fine.

00:12:50.600 But if you do that traditional working class kind of humour

00:12:54.320 that appeals to working class people, you've got no chance.

00:12:57.660 Well, this is why I was so happy.

00:12:59.160 Because, you know, I opened with the anecdote about how you and I first met

00:13:02.640 when you were having a rough time of it in terms of getting audience in

00:13:06.320 and it wasn't easy, even though your show was brilliant and you are a brilliant comic.

00:13:10.540 But last time that Edinburgh happened, which was 2019,

00:13:14.360 you did a show called Forgiveness, which Francis and I both saw,

00:13:18.660 which was one of the best shows at the festival.

00:13:23.340 You got, you sold out your room, you got brilliant reviews,

00:13:27.840 and it got followed up with a run at the Soho Theatre.

00:13:31.720 And you've been doing brilliantly on that front.

00:13:35.380 And as of a couple of weeks ago, you were supposed to get your run at Soho Theatre,

00:13:41.820 which is one of, for people outside of the UK, one of the biggest theatres in London.

00:13:46.440 Certainly like a taste-making kind of theatre here.

00:13:51.260 And that didn't happen.

00:13:53.540 No.

00:13:53.740 Well, yeah, they've got core feet.

00:13:58.500 Why is that?

00:13:59.700 Well, I mean, it's been in the press to a certain degree,

00:14:03.340 and I don't think it's over as far as the press goes.

00:14:09.560 So I wrote this show about my dad's murder.

00:14:12.000 My dad was strangled and set on fire in 2011.

00:14:17.380 And I, more or less instinctively, forgave the man who murdered him.

00:14:26.460 I thought it was the way to go.

00:14:28.720 I felt that was right for me.

00:14:32.020 My father was a very forgiving person, never held any grudges.

00:14:37.280 Also a very funny person and completely un-PC.

00:14:41.480 But big-hearted, always big-hearted.

00:14:43.260 And, I mean, I had some counselling and so on and so forth.

00:14:48.620 And then we, this is when I was doing Northern Monkey in Edinburgh in 2018.

00:14:55.080 I'd had this, like, panic attack, and I'd ran off the stage.

00:15:00.300 I didn't know what was going on, really.

00:15:02.260 And I'd go back to my digs, and I wrote this poem called Blood Beneath Your Nails.

00:15:05.840 And I realised then that there was stuff that I had to exercise,

00:15:12.340 even though I'd had counselling, you know.

00:15:14.760 And I thought to myself, well, you know, I'm a comedian.

00:15:17.780 You know, this, tell the story.

00:15:19.900 And I always remember my mate, Wilson Milton, one of the lads on the circuit, like, you know.

00:15:23.960 I said, I'm going to do this show about our dad's murder, you know.

00:15:28.580 And he went, wow, are you?

00:15:29.520 And I said, yeah.

00:15:30.560 He said, how are you going to make it funny?

00:15:31.800 I said, I don't know yet, but I'll work on it, like, you know.

00:15:34.880 So I came back from Edinburgh, and I started to write just the stories, the anecdotes.

00:15:41.920 And once again, I mixed it with the traditional working men's club, quick one-liner jokes

00:15:50.920 that I've been doing for so many years.

00:15:55.340 And I took it to Edinburgh, and as you say, it just went off the scale.

00:16:00.240 Like, you know, every night, apart from one, the first night.

00:16:02.660 But even then, the Times came to see me on the first night.

00:16:05.640 But after that first night, it just went through the fucking roof.

00:16:08.720 It was like, you know, there were, like, queues, like, literally up three flights of stairs

00:16:13.060 or two flights of stairs and out the city cafe.

00:16:16.860 And critically acclaimed across the board.

00:16:19.820 People were hailing it as a masterpiece, a masterclass in comedy, genius, and all of this, you know.

00:16:26.700 Some people were saying it's, like, one of the most important comedy shows

00:16:30.280 because it didn't just address the issue of forgiveness and tolerance and everything else.

00:16:37.460 It also addressed the issues of race because, you know, our dad was from a very multicultural area

00:16:45.300 in Middlesbrough and stuff, you know.

00:16:47.280 And it just swept the board at Edinburgh.

00:16:51.920 And then this top promoter came to see it, and he just said, this is fantastic.

00:16:56.120 Like, you know, never seen anything like it.

00:16:58.200 And so, he got me in the Soho Theatre.

00:17:03.320 And just for people who don't understand, you've been at it at this point for 31, 32 years.

00:17:09.320 And this is your dream coming true.

00:17:11.940 Finally, you're getting recognition.

00:17:13.600 Well, do you know what it was?

00:17:14.880 This is the thing I thought, you see, because, like, gigs were few and far between, right,

00:17:19.380 on the comedy circuit for the reasons I believe I stated at the top of the interview

00:17:24.200 at the start of the interview.

00:17:25.960 So, like, when I got all this, like, acclaim and everything,

00:17:28.660 and bearing in mind, I mean, I'd been to Edinburgh three times, 17, 18, and 19,

00:17:32.740 and every time I'd gone there, I'd been, like, critically acclaimed across the board.

00:17:36.700 But this was mega critical acclaim, you know.

00:17:38.940 And it was, like, for me, personally, that recognition was, like,

00:17:50.440 saying to these people who control comedy, look, you know, this is me.

00:17:55.520 Do you know what I mean?

00:17:56.640 I felt so proud of that.

00:17:57.840 This is me as a working men's club comedian.

00:17:59.720 I've done, this is the level of my writing.

00:18:02.680 This is the level of my comedy.

00:18:03.980 I can do what you do, and I can do, or I can do what you want me to do,

00:18:08.080 and I can do this in the working men's clubs, I can do this.

00:18:10.680 And I was so proud of myself at that moment in time,

00:18:13.840 because leading up to that, the work had been so non-existent, really.

00:18:18.560 I'd felt many times, like, just jacking it all in.

00:18:23.880 Of course, when we went into the Soho Theatre,

00:18:26.300 I mean, that was just, like, everything for me, man, you know what I mean?

00:18:29.500 I mean, the Soho Theatre, for anybody who doesn't know out there,

00:18:33.620 is so cutting edge.

00:18:35.660 You know, they don't have any shite in there.

00:18:39.580 And I was just...

00:18:41.480 I don't know about that, mate, but...

00:18:43.740 Well, no, well, I know what you mean, but in their eyes,

00:18:48.660 if you know what I mean.

00:18:49.260 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:18:50.060 Do you understand what I mean?

00:18:51.020 They're not compromising on things.

00:18:52.500 They get who they want to get in.

00:18:53.800 Exactly.

00:18:54.200 Yeah.

00:18:54.500 Right?

00:18:54.740 Yeah.

00:18:55.280 And, like, I'm just, like, floating on air.

00:18:58.820 And then I got a call off the promoter.

00:19:04.480 And he said, right, they want you.

00:19:07.000 They really want you.

00:19:08.300 Because they came to see me in Edinburgh twice.

00:19:11.240 You know, the programmer came to see me,

00:19:13.680 and then this girl came to see me on the last night,

00:19:15.940 and it was just wonderful.

00:19:17.000 And they said, they really want you.

00:19:19.420 And I said, okay, that's brilliant.

00:19:20.800 Yeah, but they want you to take something out.

00:19:22.840 And I said, well, what do they want me to take out?

00:19:24.080 Well, they said, well, they don't want you to use the word packy,

00:19:26.240 and they don't want you to use the word chinky, right?

00:19:28.140 So my first instinct was, I said, tell them to fuck off.

00:19:32.100 Right?

00:19:33.280 Chris, before you go any further,

00:19:35.160 just give people a little bit of the context.

00:19:37.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:19:37.180 Because some people are hearing this for the first time.

00:19:39.160 I know you're working up to it,

00:19:40.220 but I'm just saying this because some people

00:19:42.200 will make assumptions based on what you've said.

00:19:44.240 Yeah.

00:19:44.500 You've said you're a working class comedian.

00:19:46.360 You've said they didn't want you to use those two words.

00:19:48.340 And they're going to assume that you were making fun of those words.

00:19:52.320 No, not at all.

00:19:52.820 Well, it was in context of the...

00:19:54.580 Right.

00:19:55.040 It was in...

00:19:55.880 The words were used in the context of the 1970s.

00:19:58.840 You were telling a story about your dad.

00:20:00.140 Yeah.

00:20:00.840 And the slang and the words that were used

00:20:04.220 in working class communities,

00:20:06.840 multicultural working class communities in the 70s

00:20:10.180 and stuff when I was growing up with my father.

00:20:12.540 So it was all in context, right?

00:20:14.140 Right.

00:20:14.280 And we'd used, or I'd used the words in Edinburgh

00:20:20.080 and I'd stand in ovations.

00:20:22.280 Nobody, everybody understood the context.

00:20:24.820 Do you know what I mean?

00:20:25.160 I mean, the promoter, all the comedy critics that came and see it,

00:20:28.040 they all knew it was in context and everything else.

00:20:30.540 It wasn't just like using it gratuitously.

00:20:32.240 That's what I mean.

00:20:32.680 Do you know what I mean?

00:20:33.120 Yeah.

00:20:33.440 It wasn't like that at all.

00:20:35.540 So I said, right, okay.

00:20:36.540 And my first instinct was to tell him to fuck off

00:20:38.300 because that's just me.

00:20:41.020 Do you know what I mean?

00:20:41.620 And stuff.

00:20:42.720 And then I thought, no, okay then, right?

00:20:47.020 I mean, I was broke.

00:20:48.860 And I needed a break, so I screwed my nut.

00:20:51.160 And I said, right, okay.

00:20:51.980 And I'll take the words out, right?

00:20:53.340 And I'll replace them.

00:20:55.400 But I'll also take the piss.

00:20:57.000 I'll make fun of the fact that I've been censored.

00:21:00.080 And the promoter said, that's fine, right?

00:21:02.180 Anyway, we went there, did the four nights,

00:21:04.640 at the Soho Theatre last year.

00:21:06.860 And I'd written this, maybe it's 15-minute piece

00:21:11.420 to put in the show.

00:21:13.940 And it was all about working-class mentalities, right?

00:21:19.620 And working-class slang and working-class jokes

00:21:21.760 and working-class humour.

00:21:25.080 And how you can tell a joke

00:21:27.060 and how you can use slang words

00:21:29.220 without actually being racist or whatever, you know?

00:21:34.560 And it worked just fantastically.

00:21:37.820 I mean, the director of the theatre came.

00:21:39.700 I mean, I had like four shows

00:21:40.920 and I got four stand innovations, right?

00:21:43.480 The director of the theatre was there on the Friday night

00:21:46.800 and I did like an hour and 50 minutes.

00:21:48.940 And, I mean, after the show,

00:21:53.740 it was, I like floated down the stairs back into the bar.

00:21:57.640 And I always remember, I was just leaving the theatre.

00:22:00.660 I was in the street and he ran into the street

00:22:02.260 and said, are you coming back?

00:22:03.200 And I said, well, yeah, I'll be back here tomorrow night

00:22:04.600 for my last show.

00:22:05.120 And he said, no, will you come back to the theatre

00:22:06.680 and do like, you know, more shows?

00:22:08.640 I said, well, of course, well, yeah.

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00:23:42.820 And, uh, anyway, I finished the run

00:23:47.000 and the run was just off the scale.

00:23:49.880 You know, it was like, just everything.

00:23:53.200 I mean, I like that working men's club humour.

00:23:55.720 It was, it was, it had the middle class,

00:23:58.700 like political kind of, observational kind of stuff.

00:24:02.040 Do you know what I mean?

00:24:02.520 It had poetry in it.

00:24:04.320 But it was also done in a way of telling a story.

00:24:07.640 It was just everything.

00:24:09.480 And after the run, uh, the promoter came back

00:24:12.580 and he said, well, you know,

00:24:14.240 they were just blown away by it.

00:24:15.840 And they said, you know, they wanted to go

00:24:17.500 and, um, uh, on an extended run in June,

00:24:22.420 um, in the main theatre part, I think,

00:24:25.000 or the, uh, exclusive cabaret room

00:24:28.320 that they've got there.

00:24:29.800 And, um, and, and they want to co-produce the show.

00:24:33.120 I think they wanted to co-produce the tour.

00:24:34.940 They wanted to film it and put it on pay-per-view

00:24:37.120 and all this and the other, you know, blah, blah, blah.

00:24:41.000 And it was just, I remember the morning

00:24:43.600 I got the call.

00:24:44.340 I was, I was in this cafe in Redka

00:24:47.160 and the promoter for me.

00:24:49.580 And I just, I broke down and cried

00:24:51.400 because it was, it was just everything.

00:24:54.580 Do you know what I mean?

00:24:54.920 I'd actually, I'd actually been recognised

00:24:58.060 by the establishment, if you know what I mean.

00:25:01.780 This establishment that never lets comedians

00:25:03.660 like me in, right, had recognised me

00:25:08.340 and my worth as a comedian.

00:25:17.160 And that meant everything to me.

00:25:28.500 That meant the world to me.

00:25:32.660 If I didn't make a penny for the shows

00:25:34.900 and I didn't make any money in Edinburgh

00:25:37.680 and I didn't make any money

00:25:38.740 from the first Soho theatre run

00:25:40.220 but if I never made a penny

00:25:43.400 from the run that they wanted me to do

00:25:45.400 it wouldn't have made

00:25:46.900 a fucking blind bit of difference to me

00:25:49.420 because these people

00:25:51.760 or that mindset, that mind, it's not people

00:25:54.700 it's the mindset that had tried to keep me out

00:25:56.860 or had kept me out

00:25:57.960 had said, we think you're the dog's bollocks.

00:26:02.400 And it just, it was just everything to me.

00:26:06.080 It was 32 years

00:26:07.480 of being booed off, paid off

00:26:10.520 I'd paint glasses thrown at you

00:26:13.220 fucking challenged with knives

00:26:15.020 do you know what I mean?

00:26:16.520 Just everything, you know, echoed, the whole lot.

00:26:20.840 And then I was, this establishment

00:26:23.600 that, this mindset that controls Comrie

00:26:26.440 had said, we think you're great.

00:26:30.460 And they said to the promoter here

00:26:32.600 we had people coming into this theatre

00:26:35.820 that nobody, that we'd never had before

00:26:38.840 and the promoter said,

00:26:40.360 what do you mean working class people?

00:26:42.440 And he went, yeah, yeah.

00:26:45.720 I felt like Braveheart, you know what I mean?

00:26:47.320 They said, William, they're coming down

00:26:49.060 from the hells and the hundreds

00:26:50.080 and the thousands.

00:26:52.000 They were coming down from fucking Newcastle

00:26:54.380 and they were coming over from South Yorkshire.

00:26:56.180 They came down from Nottingham

00:26:57.340 from clubs where I'd been in Nottingham

00:26:58.920 all my life.

00:27:00.140 They were coming over from Wolverhampton

00:27:01.720 up from the South West.

00:27:04.420 They were coming from all over the place.

00:27:06.960 And I thought, and just to see me

00:27:08.940 in the Soho Theatre

00:27:10.020 and that just meant

00:27:12.300 the absolute world, didn't it?

00:27:14.720 I mean,

00:27:15.520 I played the comedy star in Hollywood

00:27:17.820 and I played on the main stage

00:27:19.600 in this massive room years ago

00:27:21.380 2003, 2004

00:27:23.700 and I had to call him

00:27:25.520 because my mum was dying

00:27:26.400 of a heart attack.

00:27:29.740 She'd had a heart attack

00:27:30.660 but she had heart failure

00:27:31.540 and cancer and stuff

00:27:32.960 and so that ended that one,

00:27:35.380 you know what I mean?

00:27:35.840 And then

00:27:37.620 I was in Billy Elliot

00:27:40.680 in the West End

00:27:41.420 in the Victoria Palace Theatre

00:27:45.060 biggest break to date

00:27:46.400 and the old fella was murdered

00:27:48.060 and that really,

00:27:50.540 after that, you know,

00:27:52.600 they put me in a room

00:27:54.980 at the top of the theatre

00:27:55.860 so my bad vibes

00:27:57.320 didn't rub off on any

00:27:58.620 of the rest of the cast

00:27:59.980 which is fair enough.

00:28:03.380 And that was the end of that one, really.

00:28:05.840 But like this one,

00:28:07.960 it was like,

00:28:08.520 well, nothing's going to stop me now.

00:28:10.340 Nothing possibly can stop me

00:28:11.920 because I know my own worth.

00:28:13.200 I see, I have very low self-esteem

00:28:14.660 and, you know,

00:28:15.460 I'm like,

00:28:16.340 that's just being bullied

00:28:17.600 as a child, really,

00:28:18.640 but like,

00:28:20.600 I know I've got what it takes

00:28:22.340 as a comedian, you know.

00:28:24.540 And I thought,

00:28:26.620 well, nothing's going to stop it now.

00:28:27.920 What can stop it?

00:28:28.580 Because even Netflix

00:28:30.300 were interested, you know.

00:28:32.440 Hollywood film director.

00:28:34.100 Well, he's a British film director

00:28:35.640 but he's directed Hollywood movies

00:28:37.860 and he's worked with Robert De Niro

00:28:39.020 and all this.

00:28:39.520 He wanted to write a screenplay,

00:28:41.000 you know.

00:28:43.300 There was a Canadian TV company,

00:28:45.300 a Canadian stroke

00:28:46.180 North American TV company

00:28:47.680 wanted to do a series about me

00:28:50.260 on the theme of forgiveness.

00:28:52.180 I think they wanted me

00:28:52.860 to go around North America

00:28:53.820 talking to people

00:28:54.620 who'd suffered murder like me

00:28:55.760 and discuss with them,

00:28:57.240 people,

00:28:57.700 other victims of murder,

00:28:58.780 discuss the concept

00:29:01.060 of forgiveness, you know.

00:29:04.380 And like,

00:29:04.940 two weeks after,

00:29:06.040 boom,

00:29:06.420 lockdown,

00:29:07.180 everything stops.

00:29:08.720 Gutted.

00:29:09.980 Absolutely gutted.

00:29:11.220 Been gutted ever since.

00:29:13.000 I mean,

00:29:13.320 that's very understandable,

00:29:14.860 just to,

00:29:15.280 and in particularly,

00:29:16.500 lockdown,

00:29:17.260 everything stops.

00:29:18.360 But then we fast forward

00:29:19.660 and you've got your,

00:29:21.360 your run at the Soho.

00:29:22.880 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:23.280 Well, you see,

00:29:23.700 the thing is,

00:29:24.140 I,

00:29:24.380 I kept in touch

00:29:25.920 with the director

00:29:27.400 of the theatre.

00:29:27.960 He said,

00:29:28.540 in August,

00:29:28.960 you know,

00:29:29.180 you're definitely

00:29:29.480 now mixing stuff

00:29:30.280 and I've never heard

00:29:30.820 any more.

00:29:31.700 And then I let go

00:29:32.460 of myself,

00:29:33.240 like,

00:29:33.560 you know,

00:29:33.940 when we,

00:29:35.920 I'd had these two shows

00:29:37.180 planned of forgiveness

00:29:39.600 in my hometown

00:29:40.420 in Redcar

00:29:41.080 and it was like

00:29:43.540 90,

00:29:44.120 90 tickets

00:29:45.260 for the show.

00:29:47.220 At first,

00:29:47.940 it was just going

00:29:48.260 to be one show

00:29:49.020 and then

00:29:50.300 it sold out

00:29:52.760 within an hour.

00:29:54.600 And then,

00:29:54.820 so we put,

00:29:55.140 we put another show

00:29:56.420 on and then

00:29:56.720 that had sold

00:29:57.200 by the following day.

00:29:58.800 And there was people

00:29:59.400 flying over from Ireland

00:30:00.480 and flying up

00:30:01.840 from Bristol

00:30:02.660 and they were coming

00:30:03.380 down from Newcastle

00:30:04.300 and they were coming

00:30:05.620 up from the Midlands

00:30:06.360 all to come to Redcar

00:30:07.620 to see the show.

00:30:08.220 There was even two women

00:30:09.000 from America

00:30:09.780 saying if we could

00:30:10.920 get a flight

00:30:11.340 we'd come and fly over

00:30:12.420 from America

00:30:13.560 to see the show.

00:30:15.540 And I'm like,

00:30:16.420 wow.

00:30:17.580 And then lockdown

00:30:18.280 was called again.

00:30:20.240 And that just like,

00:30:21.780 just like,

00:30:22.480 like,

00:30:23.320 finished me off really.

00:30:25.140 I started drinking

00:30:25.840 like loads,

00:30:26.420 let myself go.

00:30:27.660 Didn't clean the house.

00:30:29.560 You know what I mean?

00:30:30.280 Just completely

00:30:31.260 let myself go.

00:30:33.100 Grew a massive beard.

00:30:35.220 Just wasn't bothered,

00:30:36.140 wasn't interested,

00:30:36.920 you know.

00:30:37.140 And then I got a call

00:30:38.000 and about the end

00:30:39.540 of January

00:30:40.020 and the promoter said,

00:30:42.040 you know,

00:30:42.640 the theatre says

00:30:43.420 you're still in the mix,

00:30:44.240 that's great

00:30:44.700 and so on and so forth.

00:30:45.800 And so,

00:30:46.100 you know,

00:30:46.480 we'll be getting some dates

00:30:47.440 soon and then,

00:30:47.860 that's great.

00:30:49.340 Of course,

00:30:49.740 nothing came.

00:30:50.720 Weeks went by,

00:30:51.840 weeks went by,

00:30:52.860 weeks went by,

00:30:53.440 nothing.

00:30:53.980 And then,

00:30:55.420 maybe about

00:30:57.480 six or seven weeks ago

00:30:58.780 now,

00:30:59.080 six weeks ago,

00:31:00.600 got a call

00:31:01.500 and they said,

00:31:02.360 oh,

00:31:02.800 the promoter said,

00:31:04.600 basically,

00:31:05.860 they need to talk to you

00:31:09.460 and I said,

00:31:09.840 why?

00:31:10.100 And they said,

00:31:10.400 because the thing

00:31:11.860 that you show

00:31:12.260 is anti-Semitic.

00:31:13.960 So I said,

00:31:14.640 right,

00:31:14.860 okay.

00:31:15.900 What's anti-Semitic like?

00:31:17.120 They said,

00:31:17.380 well,

00:31:17.520 somebody's alerted them

00:31:18.540 to your poem,

00:31:20.060 The Right to Hate.

00:31:21.260 So I said,

00:31:21.700 oh,

00:31:21.880 okay then.

00:31:24.220 See,

00:31:25.120 in The Right to Hate,

00:31:25.980 there's the,

00:31:26.620 there's the,

00:31:27.500 a verse that says,

00:31:28.880 you know,

00:31:29.180 I've got black friends,

00:31:30.160 so you're still a racist,

00:31:31.500 homophobic,

00:31:32.500 but I've shared beds

00:31:33.140 with gay men.

00:31:34.220 I'm an anti-Semite,

00:31:35.380 but the Rothschilds

00:31:36.140 is the richest banking family

00:31:37.160 in the world,

00:31:38.100 you know,

00:31:38.360 really can influence

00:31:39.260 and that's got nothing

00:31:39.960 to do with them being Jewish

00:31:40.800 and everything to do

00:31:41.380 with them being multi-billionaires

00:31:42.560 really can influence

00:31:44.020 the dollar-pounding yen

00:31:44.980 and that's the verse

00:31:47.560 that caused the controversy.

00:31:48.800 It caused controversy

00:31:49.500 last year

00:31:50.060 when it went,

00:31:50.680 when the poem went viral.

00:31:51.940 I mean,

00:31:52.060 the poem went viral

00:31:52.860 to like tens of millions

00:31:53.800 of people.

00:31:54.680 Now,

00:31:55.240 I understand the anti-Semitic trope,

00:31:58.020 you know,

00:31:58.380 that like,

00:31:59.200 Zionists

00:32:01.020 and Rothschilds

00:32:02.240 and all that,

00:32:02.700 you know,

00:32:02.820 control world banking

00:32:03.880 and that's what

00:32:04.440 Hitler-based

00:32:05.280 his attack on,

00:32:07.200 you know,

00:32:07.480 before the war

00:32:08.080 and all of this.

00:32:09.780 But my,

00:32:10.760 that section of the poem

00:32:11.860 wasn't about that at all.

00:32:13.600 My,

00:32:14.280 that section of my poem

00:32:16.540 was about the middle class

00:32:20.960 or in the main middle class

00:32:22.740 progressive liberal mindset

00:32:25.120 versus the working class mindset

00:32:28.920 because in my working class existence,

00:32:33.660 with my working class friends,

00:32:35.240 they don't understand

00:32:36.120 how you can be racist

00:32:37.100 and have a black wife

00:32:38.680 or a black husband

00:32:39.520 or a black partner

00:32:40.520 or a black friend,

00:32:41.780 right?

00:32:42.000 and they don't understand

00:32:43.580 how you can be homophobic

00:32:45.100 and have gay friends,

00:32:47.620 right?

00:32:47.940 And they don't understand

00:32:49.020 how,

00:32:50.180 as the richest banking family

00:32:51.760 in the world,

00:32:53.360 even though they're not

00:32:54.120 as big of players

00:32:54.860 as they used to be,

00:32:56.400 how they,

00:32:56.960 they can't influence

00:32:58.840 stock markets

00:33:00.220 or currencies.

00:33:01.660 And that's what it was about.

00:33:03.100 It was,

00:33:03.460 and that's basically

00:33:04.200 what the poem is about.

00:33:05.160 It's about working class mentality

00:33:10.960 as opposed to that middle class

00:33:13.600 progressive mentality.

00:33:16.560 And it's like,

00:33:17.760 for me,

00:33:19.440 that middle class progressive mentality

00:33:21.660 is riding roughshod over everything

00:33:23.860 and it's not giving our mentality

00:33:26.180 any kind of,

00:33:27.880 any kind of airtime really.

00:33:32.720 Do you know what I mean?

00:33:33.600 Yep.

00:33:33.840 I had this fucking dickhead

00:33:35.480 online,

00:33:36.900 right,

00:33:37.440 saying that,

00:33:38.060 you know,

00:33:38.260 he'd put this post on Facebook

00:33:39.740 and he described us

00:33:41.900 as working people.

00:33:43.340 Now,

00:33:43.560 I've noticed that coming in

00:33:44.640 more and more

00:33:45.520 over the years,

00:33:47.600 this,

00:33:47.880 this term,

00:33:48.780 working people,

00:33:49.900 very ambiguous,

00:33:51.240 working people.

00:33:52.200 And I,

00:33:52.500 I responded to him,

00:33:53.560 I said,

00:33:53.700 hey mate,

00:33:54.520 you missed a word out there.

00:33:56.440 And he said,

00:33:57.120 have I?

00:33:57.400 And I said,

00:33:57.740 yeah,

00:33:57.900 you have.

00:33:58.360 I said,

00:33:58.880 you missed the word

00:33:59.680 classmate,

00:34:01.880 right?

00:34:02.160 And he started going on

00:34:03.440 and fucking quoting Karl Marx at me

00:34:05.160 and I listened to him the other night

00:34:06.180 and so on and so forth.

00:34:06.960 I said,

00:34:07.220 save all your fucking middle class

00:34:09.040 bullshit for me.

00:34:10.060 I said,

00:34:10.480 I don't give a toss,

00:34:11.320 right?

00:34:11.460 I said,

00:34:11.880 you have to have the word class.

00:34:13.420 And basically what he was saying was,

00:34:15.180 if you've got a job,

00:34:16.120 you work in class.

00:34:17.240 Fucking prick.

00:34:18.380 Idiot.

00:34:19.000 Right?

00:34:19.220 And this is what these people don't get.

00:34:22.140 Right?

00:34:22.640 Because working class people,

00:34:24.040 it's not just about having a fucking job.

00:34:26.040 Right?

00:34:27.700 We're with our own culture.

00:34:29.880 We have our own way of speaking.

00:34:31.700 We have our own mindset.

00:34:32.820 We have our own thought processes.

00:34:34.960 You know?

00:34:36.200 We think differently.

00:34:37.900 It's a culture.

00:34:39.220 Working class is a culture.

00:34:40.920 White and black.

00:34:42.200 You know?

00:34:43.140 We go on holidays to different places

00:34:45.160 than middle class people.

00:34:46.960 They even smoke different fags.

00:34:49.040 I said this in my 2018 show.

00:34:51.380 You know?

00:34:51.700 Working class people,

00:34:52.540 by and large,

00:34:52.960 will smoke Embassy Regal.

00:34:54.300 Oh, nice.

00:34:55.780 And middle class will be smoking

00:34:57.960 fucking Marlborough.

00:34:59.120 Do you know what I mean?

00:34:59.480 Marlborough Light.

00:35:00.960 It's not just about having a job,

00:35:03.540 being working class.

00:35:04.380 It's a culture.

00:35:06.060 Right?

00:35:06.880 And it's a mentality.

00:35:08.840 And it's a mindset.

00:35:09.960 And I feel very passionate about it.

00:35:11.960 And it's getting completely,

00:35:13.960 completely road roughshod over

00:35:16.000 by this progressive,

00:35:18.480 in the main,

00:35:19.260 middle class mentality.

00:35:21.140 And it has to stop.

00:35:22.580 It has to stop.

00:35:24.280 Because it's discriminating so much.

00:35:28.600 And I don't give a flying fuck

00:35:30.360 if people attack me online

00:35:32.660 and say this and that and the other right.

00:35:34.560 But I will not stop championing

00:35:36.200 my class,

00:35:38.300 my culture.

00:35:39.120 No matter what colour you are,

00:35:42.220 because it's a culture.

00:35:44.000 Being working class

00:35:44.920 is its own culture.

00:35:46.940 And that is what

00:35:47.920 the right to hate is about.

00:35:49.560 Right.

00:35:50.520 It's about our culture

00:35:51.860 being dominated

00:35:53.080 by these people

00:35:54.340 who tell us,

00:35:55.060 you can say this,

00:35:55.760 but you can't say that.

00:35:57.380 But you can say that,

00:35:58.220 but you can't say this.

00:35:59.500 And you will think that.

00:36:00.700 And if you don't,

00:36:01.620 oh yes,

00:36:02.280 and the prejudging,

00:36:03.720 that's what the whole thing is.

00:36:04.700 You know what I mean?

00:36:05.660 You're racist.

00:36:06.320 You're this.

00:36:06.760 You're that.

00:36:07.140 You're the other.

00:36:07.680 Well, I'm sorry, I'm not.

00:36:09.700 Because I left school

00:36:10.480 with two O-levels,

00:36:11.640 you know?

00:36:12.080 Well, three O-levels.

00:36:13.020 One was in English,

00:36:13.760 one was in art,

00:36:14.340 and one was in fucking truancy.

00:36:15.920 You know what I mean?

00:36:17.220 I'm not the best educated man.

00:36:19.040 I left school at 16 years old.

00:36:21.460 My English teacher,

00:36:22.240 when I was 14,

00:36:23.140 said,

00:36:23.700 you, McGlade,

00:36:25.560 are Oxford or Cambridge material.

00:36:27.120 Do you know that?

00:36:27.820 And I laughed at him

00:36:28.480 and I told him to fuck off.

00:36:30.120 Right?

00:36:30.860 Because he had these deadheads behind me.

00:36:33.100 And he said to me,

00:36:33.900 first of all,

00:36:34.400 don't tell me to fuck off

00:36:35.380 because you're an English teacher.

00:36:36.320 And second of all,

00:36:37.460 don't tell me to fuck off

00:36:38.380 because you will have an experience

00:36:39.920 when you're older, son.

00:36:41.620 And you will realise

00:36:43.220 what I've said is true.

00:36:45.040 And I had that experience last year

00:36:46.520 when I wrote this poem called,

00:36:47.660 Will She Fly?

00:36:48.520 And when I read it

00:36:49.220 on this men's mental health station,

00:36:51.020 radio station in Middlesbrough,

00:36:52.220 these guys were like,

00:36:53.380 wow.

00:36:53.560 And that's when I had the realisation

00:36:55.240 that, yeah,

00:36:55.920 I was Oxford and Cambridge material,

00:36:57.900 actually, right?

00:36:58.440 But that wasn't my path.

00:37:00.420 I went straight into a steel mill

00:37:01.660 when I was 16 years old.

00:37:03.960 I was, you know,

00:37:04.560 my professors were like

00:37:05.480 Ernie Buckton

00:37:06.060 and Colin Arley

00:37:06.800 and Terry Taggart,

00:37:07.960 lads who worked in the mills

00:37:09.600 and the cranes

00:37:10.080 and the stockyards

00:37:11.040 and everything else.

00:37:13.660 Do you know what I mean?

00:37:13.900 They were my professors.

00:37:14.940 They were my teachers.

00:37:16.780 You know,

00:37:17.040 that was the route I went down.

00:37:20.940 And so I've tried to educate myself

00:37:22.460 over the course of my life

00:37:24.120 about different things.

00:37:25.560 And I might have said things

00:37:26.660 that in the past

00:37:27.960 have been anti-Semitic or racist,

00:37:29.400 but that's not out of malice

00:37:31.020 because there's no malice in me, right?

00:37:33.120 That's out of ignorance, really.

00:37:34.500 And I've tried to learn

00:37:35.320 as much as I can

00:37:36.060 to put those things right.

00:37:38.040 Do you understand?

00:37:39.220 I do.

00:37:39.740 Yeah.

00:37:40.580 But this,

00:37:42.440 the whole poem is about

00:37:44.320 defending working class

00:37:47.320 mentality and culture,

00:37:49.920 you know,

00:37:52.180 as opposed to this progressive,

00:37:54.320 I'm not even going to say left

00:37:55.820 because it's not left,

00:37:56.740 it's centrist.

00:37:57.940 They're not,

00:37:58.260 they're not,

00:37:58.720 they're not left.

00:38:00.380 They're not the traditional.

00:38:01.160 I was a member of the Labour Party

00:38:02.320 when I was 17 years old.

00:38:04.720 You know what I mean?

00:38:05.520 Signing on picket lines and stuff.

00:38:08.320 I mean,

00:38:08.540 a proper traditional

00:38:11.120 working class socialist.

00:38:14.320 But I don't identify

00:38:16.100 with the left now

00:38:17.880 because it's not

00:38:18.620 they're too busy

00:38:19.260 branding people

00:38:21.300 and using ID politics

00:38:22.700 to shut people up

00:38:23.660 and do people down

00:38:24.840 and all of that,

00:38:25.700 you know.

00:38:26.800 And that's what the poem was about.

00:38:29.300 We're being dominated

00:38:30.140 by this mindset

00:38:31.640 that is completely alien

00:38:33.860 to ours.

00:38:35.660 And we're not allowed

00:38:37.660 any way back at all.

00:38:39.740 You know what I mean?

00:38:40.900 We're not allowed

00:38:41.700 any way back.

00:38:42.300 It's a really,

00:38:44.080 really powerful point

00:38:44.920 and I'm so glad

00:38:45.920 that we've got you

00:38:46.540 on the show

00:38:46.960 to express that.

00:38:48.240 There's something

00:38:48.760 that I push back

00:38:49.780 against a lot

00:38:50.440 because

00:38:50.880 it's the term

00:38:53.020 white privilege

00:38:53.800 and I feel that

00:38:54.620 it's used

00:38:55.240 as a weapon

00:38:56.560 against working class people

00:38:58.360 and particularly

00:38:58.820 working class men

00:38:59.920 to get them to shut up

00:39:01.420 and not have an opinion.

00:39:02.860 Francis,

00:39:04.740 listen mate,

00:39:05.740 my family came

00:39:06.540 from Ireland.

00:39:07.880 My family

00:39:08.580 were immigrants,

00:39:10.160 right?

00:39:11.220 My family

00:39:12.100 came from Ireland

00:39:13.060 at the turn

00:39:14.360 of the last century.

00:39:16.540 I mean,

00:39:16.780 they were basically

00:39:17.580 land slaves

00:39:18.540 picking potatoes

00:39:20.440 or

00:39:20.740 just

00:39:22.280 working for a pittance,

00:39:24.980 you know what I mean?

00:39:25.560 Like indentured labour,

00:39:26.560 just like

00:39:27.300 nothing.

00:39:28.320 And they came over here.

00:39:30.080 I mean,

00:39:30.320 my uncle,

00:39:30.780 my auntie died of cancer

00:39:31.580 last year

00:39:31.980 and my uncle

00:39:32.280 gave me some photographs

00:39:33.080 that go back

00:39:33.560 to like Victorian times

00:39:34.540 of my family

00:39:34.960 and I cried

00:39:35.820 when I saw them.

00:39:36.620 I felt this affinity

00:39:37.580 to them straight away.

00:39:38.520 I mean,

00:39:38.680 they look like

00:39:38.940 the Peaky Blinders,

00:39:39.840 you know what I mean?

00:39:40.260 My great-great-grandad

00:39:41.820 and his two brothers

00:39:42.580 are sat on his barge

00:39:43.320 on the T's

00:39:43.820 and I fucking

00:39:44.800 broke down and cried.

00:39:46.460 This is my blood.

00:39:48.240 These men

00:39:48.640 are fucking working

00:39:49.360 in fields.

00:39:50.380 They had never had anything.

00:39:52.120 They had fuck all

00:39:53.200 and they came to this country

00:39:54.820 with fuck all

00:39:55.800 and I've got fuck all.

00:39:58.740 Nothing.

00:40:00.500 And those people

00:40:01.560 those people

00:40:03.480 had no privilege

00:40:04.820 whatsoever.

00:40:06.000 They were Irish Catholics

00:40:07.000 and they were regarded

00:40:08.580 as being shit.

00:40:09.780 They used to have signs

00:40:10.520 in restaurants,

00:40:11.440 didn't they?

00:40:11.780 No blacks,

00:40:12.840 no dogs,

00:40:13.560 no blacks

00:40:14.060 and no Irish.

00:40:15.980 And that was the thing.

00:40:17.180 It was the same kind of thing.

00:40:20.400 So I don't go

00:40:21.420 with all that

00:40:21.880 white privilege shit.

00:40:23.420 Do you know what I mean?

00:40:24.560 Privilege isn't about your colour.

00:40:26.260 It's about how much money

00:40:27.180 you have.

00:40:28.220 That's what sets you apart.

00:40:29.480 That's what gives you privilege.

00:40:30.620 I mean,

00:40:32.480 I love Marcus Rashford.

00:40:34.100 I think Marcus,

00:40:34.780 what Marcus Rashford

00:40:36.080 has done for working class

00:40:37.020 kids in this country

00:40:37.760 is exemplary, right?

00:40:39.340 It's fantastic.

00:40:41.340 The lad,

00:40:41.780 for me,

00:40:42.280 the lad should be,

00:40:43.520 he should get a gong

00:40:45.380 or a knighthood

00:40:46.380 or whatever

00:40:46.720 because he's tried

00:40:47.740 to champion

00:40:48.240 working class children.

00:40:49.900 But do you think

00:40:50.460 if he wasn't

00:40:51.480 a multi-millionaire

00:40:52.520 centre forward

00:40:53.640 for Manchester United

00:40:54.440 in England

00:40:54.900 that he would have got

00:40:56.020 to Boris Johnson

00:40:56.860 or being listened to?

00:40:57.780 He would have just been

00:40:59.140 another fucking scrot

00:41:00.040 living in Manchester,

00:41:00.960 wouldn't he?

00:41:01.760 Nobody would have listened to him.

00:41:02.960 It's not about your colour.

00:41:04.440 It's about your standing,

00:41:06.060 your wealth.

00:41:08.080 Do you know what I mean?

00:41:09.440 And that,

00:41:10.340 I can't go

00:41:11.300 with the white privilege,

00:41:12.200 you know?

00:41:12.800 I've been kicked shit

00:41:13.700 out of themselves

00:41:14.280 before in Newcastle.

00:41:16.100 I've been stopped

00:41:16.700 by the police

00:41:17.260 on the streets

00:41:17.860 walking home

00:41:19.060 and never done anything wrong

00:41:20.200 and I'm white

00:41:20.860 and there's millions

00:41:22.620 of white people,

00:41:23.500 you know?

00:41:23.740 And this is one

00:41:24.700 of the things,

00:41:25.260 you know,

00:41:25.420 it's not just black people

00:41:26.680 that are trapped badly,

00:41:27.940 it's white people too,

00:41:30.200 you know?

00:41:31.560 But getting back

00:41:32.240 to the thing

00:41:32.720 with the Soho Theatre,

00:41:35.740 when they told me,

00:41:37.120 when the agent said

00:41:37.960 they wanted,

00:41:38.560 you know,

00:41:39.100 the poem was anti-Semitic

00:41:40.600 and I've gone on

00:41:41.480 the OJ there

00:41:41.940 to explain about the poem,

00:41:44.400 they said they want

00:41:44.920 to talk to you

00:41:45.420 so I said,

00:41:45.760 right,

00:41:45.940 I've got nothing to hide,

00:41:47.500 I'll talk to them.

00:41:49.140 So I phoned them up

00:41:50.360 and we had this

00:41:52.000 like three-way conversation,

00:41:53.260 me,

00:41:53.440 the director,

00:41:54.060 the programmer

00:41:54.580 and I explained

00:41:57.420 what I've explained

00:41:58.100 to you,

00:41:59.380 you know?

00:42:00.920 And then I said

00:42:02.900 to them,

00:42:04.580 they said,

00:42:05.100 you know,

00:42:05.480 about the,

00:42:06.560 you know,

00:42:06.780 you took certain things

00:42:09.220 out before

00:42:09.600 and blah,

00:42:09.980 blah,

00:42:10.120 blah,

00:42:10.260 and I said,

00:42:10.560 yeah.

00:42:11.320 I said,

00:42:11.580 look,

00:42:12.040 if that's what

00:42:12.420 you want me to do,

00:42:13.040 right,

00:42:13.200 if you want me

00:42:14.700 to take out

00:42:15.600 that line,

00:42:18.100 because they kept

00:42:19.540 on stressing

00:42:20.040 that,

00:42:20.320 you know,

00:42:20.460 we can't be seen

00:42:21.460 to offending people

00:42:22.240 and we can't do this

00:42:23.040 and I said,

00:42:23.520 right,

00:42:23.640 okay,

00:42:23.860 if you don't want

00:42:24.320 to offend people,

00:42:24.900 right,

00:42:25.080 I said,

00:42:25.880 I will take out

00:42:26.740 that line.

00:42:27.920 Chris,

00:42:28.120 just pause there

00:42:28.700 for one second,

00:42:29.640 just for one second.

00:42:31.420 These are people

00:42:32.080 who run

00:42:32.680 a comedy theatre

00:42:35.200 and their primary

00:42:37.420 concern in dealing

00:42:38.400 with you

00:42:38.920 after you sold out

00:42:40.480 a run to standing

00:42:41.460 ovations last year

00:42:42.520 is they don't want

00:42:43.660 to offend people.

00:42:44.580 Yeah.

00:42:45.460 Well,

00:42:45.720 that's what they said.

00:42:46.980 They said,

00:42:47.200 you know,

00:42:47.400 we can't be seen

00:42:47.920 to be offending people

00:42:48.700 and we have to be

00:42:49.180 diverse and so on

00:42:50.000 and so forth

00:42:50.360 and I said,

00:42:51.160 right,

00:42:51.460 okay,

00:42:53.280 I'll take out

00:42:53.860 that section

00:42:55.540 and I said,

00:42:56.180 like I did before

00:42:57.160 when I took the piss

00:42:58.800 when you censored me

00:42:59.460 before,

00:43:00.340 I'll take the piss

00:43:01.940 this time

00:43:02.480 and they said,

00:43:03.800 great,

00:43:04.140 and then they said,

00:43:05.080 we'd like you to speak

00:43:06.880 to this Jewish lady,

00:43:08.260 right,

00:43:08.580 and she used to be

00:43:09.060 the creative director

00:43:09.960 of the theatre

00:43:10.560 and I said,

00:43:11.800 right,

00:43:11.960 that's fine,

00:43:13.240 I'll do that,

00:43:14.780 you know,

00:43:16.080 I wanted to,

00:43:17.900 you know,

00:43:18.880 not because I want

00:43:19.460 an endorsement

00:43:19.980 from the Jewish community

00:43:21.960 but...

00:43:22.420 You could always

00:43:22.760 call me up,

00:43:23.360 mate.

00:43:24.820 I'll give you

00:43:25.420 a free pass.

00:43:26.460 Mate,

00:43:26.740 that ain't worth shit.

00:43:27.700 Do all the Holocaust

00:43:28.660 jokes you want,

00:43:29.520 mate.

00:43:31.320 Unfortunately,

00:43:31.840 you're not in the position

00:43:32.940 to book me

00:43:33.280 in the Soho Theatre.

00:43:34.240 That is unfortunate.

00:43:35.180 But she used to be

00:43:35.540 the creative director

00:43:36.360 of the Soho Theatre

00:43:37.200 and I think she was

00:43:38.860 the director

00:43:39.540 of the London

00:43:40.300 Jewish Museum

00:43:41.040 and I wanted

00:43:42.620 to talk to her,

00:43:43.380 not because,

00:43:43.820 like I said,

00:43:44.060 I wanted an endorsement

00:43:44.860 from the Jewish community

00:43:45.660 but I just wanted

00:43:46.520 to smooth the waters

00:43:48.760 to say,

00:43:49.300 look,

00:43:50.180 you know,

00:43:51.180 I know that

00:43:51.680 it was almost like

00:43:53.300 they wanted me

00:43:54.840 to be educated,

00:43:56.800 you know,

00:43:57.360 in what that reference

00:43:59.140 meant

00:44:00.140 but really,

00:44:01.300 when I think about it,

00:44:01.980 that was like

00:44:02.320 so condescending

00:44:03.020 once again

00:44:03.460 because I understood

00:44:04.140 the anti-Semitic trope

00:44:06.280 of Jewish banking

00:44:07.760 and everything.

00:44:08.560 I understood that already

00:44:09.600 but what they didn't understand

00:44:11.340 and what they weren't prepared

00:44:13.260 to be educated in

00:44:14.340 is that working class mentality,

00:44:18.320 do you know what I mean?

00:44:19.240 That doesn't understand

00:44:20.280 how one of the richest

00:44:21.140 banking families in the world

00:44:22.120 and it's got nothing to do

00:44:22.860 with them being Jewish,

00:44:23.540 just the fact

00:44:23.860 they're multi-billionaires,

00:44:25.860 they must be able

00:44:26.800 in some way

00:44:27.380 to affect currency

00:44:29.300 or stock market.

00:44:29.900 So how did that conversation

00:44:30.880 go with her?

00:44:31.640 Well,

00:44:32.060 that never happened

00:44:33.720 because

00:44:35.040 we all left

00:44:37.360 the phone call,

00:44:39.180 it was me,

00:44:40.400 the director

00:44:41.120 and the programmer,

00:44:41.900 it was brilliant

00:44:42.600 and then

00:44:43.840 they

00:44:45.720 said,

00:44:46.900 right,

00:44:47.040 we'll sort

00:44:47.380 the phone call out

00:44:48.900 and Mike Lee,

00:44:51.100 who's my agent

00:44:52.100 for acting

00:44:53.300 and for

00:44:54.320 literary things,

00:44:56.200 I mean,

00:44:56.360 he's Jewish,

00:44:57.560 he's a member

00:44:58.280 of the campaign

00:44:58.860 against anti-Semitism,

00:45:00.620 right,

00:45:01.260 he was going to sit in

00:45:02.160 on the conversation,

00:45:04.100 right,

00:45:05.560 he was emailing

00:45:06.400 and I was emailing,

00:45:07.460 the promoter was emailing,

00:45:08.520 we're all emailing,

00:45:09.880 nothing

00:45:10.160 and then they came back

00:45:12.160 not last Thursday

00:45:12.920 but Thursday before

00:45:15.180 and the promoter

00:45:16.700 for me,

00:45:17.020 he said,

00:45:17.200 I've got some bad news for you

00:45:17.940 and I said,

00:45:18.180 what's that like?

00:45:18.660 And he said,

00:45:19.040 well,

00:45:20.280 you know,

00:45:21.480 they're dropping you,

00:45:22.480 they don't want you

00:45:23.100 and I'll,

00:45:25.120 do you know what it is?

00:45:26.920 I was disappointed

00:45:30.000 but I wasn't hurt.

00:45:31.860 I was more or less

00:45:32.760 expecting it

00:45:33.420 because I knew,

00:45:34.120 I just,

00:45:34.620 you get a feeling,

00:45:35.580 don't you?

00:45:35.840 Yeah.

00:45:36.140 I'm not psychic

00:45:36.760 but I mean,

00:45:37.220 you've got a feeling,

00:45:38.320 I've got a feeling

00:45:39.000 about it

00:45:39.640 and I just thought to myself,

00:45:41.620 nah,

00:45:42.740 I can't go with that one,

00:45:46.220 you know,

00:45:46.880 and,

00:45:47.320 I mean.

00:45:49.480 So why do you think

00:45:50.020 that happened?

00:45:51.860 I don't know.

00:45:52.640 Because it's the same show.

00:45:53.840 Yeah.

00:45:54.300 You've already done this show

00:45:55.600 at the theatre,

00:45:56.580 right?

00:45:56.920 So if they're concerned

00:45:57.800 about offending people,

00:45:58.980 the show's the same,

00:45:59.960 the theatre's the same,

00:46:01.180 so what's happened in between?

00:46:02.360 Well,

00:46:02.520 like I say,

00:46:02.820 because somebody had alerted them

00:46:03.800 to the fact that this line

00:46:04.660 was anti-Semitic

00:46:06.100 and everything else.

00:46:06.840 So when they watched the show,

00:46:07.960 they were fine

00:46:08.460 but the moment someone

00:46:09.240 on social media

00:46:09.920 alerted them to it,

00:46:10.720 I don't know who alerted them

00:46:13.160 so I don't know,

00:46:13.820 I mean,

00:46:14.100 maybe,

00:46:14.620 I don't know,

00:46:15.200 maybe I've got an enemy up there

00:46:17.060 or somebody who was jealous

00:46:18.180 or whatever,

00:46:19.060 you know what I mean?

00:46:19.920 And said,

00:46:20.920 oh,

00:46:21.020 what do you think about this?

00:46:21.900 I don't know.

00:46:23.020 I don't know.

00:46:23.540 That's out of my control.

00:46:26.440 Right.

00:46:26.520 But it was the exact same show,

00:46:29.680 they've got four standard innovations

00:46:30.920 and suddenly they said

00:46:32.260 it was offensive

00:46:33.200 and like Mike Lee,

00:46:35.360 as I say,

00:46:36.160 he's Jewish himself,

00:46:36.840 they phoned him up

00:46:38.440 and he said,

00:46:38.800 well,

00:46:38.900 Chris was going to take that part out

00:46:40.040 and replace it with something else

00:46:41.180 and they came back and said,

00:46:42.900 yeah,

00:46:43.040 but the poem

00:46:44.580 The Right to Hate

00:46:46.200 is out there online

00:46:48.260 and it's gone viral

00:46:50.320 to millions of people

00:46:51.980 all around the world.

00:46:53.320 So you are untouchable now

00:46:55.360 because the poem is out there,

00:46:57.680 you can't do a show at the theatre

00:46:59.100 because the poem is out there

00:47:00.460 even if you don't do that poem.

00:47:02.000 I don't know that.

00:47:03.900 I don't know if it's just the poem

00:47:05.180 or if the poem has destroyed things.

00:47:08.700 But you see,

00:47:09.980 I can't describe to you,

00:47:14.400 I wrote this thing

00:47:16.420 and when I wrote The Right to Hate,

00:47:18.580 it was in 2017.

00:47:20.840 I woke up one morning,

00:47:22.200 our last was going to work

00:47:23.300 and I was just laid in bed

00:47:25.300 tossing myself off

00:47:26.120 trying to get back to sleep.

00:47:29.540 Anyhow,

00:47:30.180 I went downstairs,

00:47:30.960 made a cuppa,

00:47:31.880 got some biscuits,

00:47:32.820 come back up the stairs,

00:47:33.880 got back into bed

00:47:34.620 and I just,

00:47:36.780 I always have some paper

00:47:38.520 and a pen

00:47:38.940 next to the bed

00:47:39.920 because I don't know why,

00:47:40.940 I get my best inspiration

00:47:41.880 when I'm sleeping

00:47:42.380 or when I wake up.

00:47:44.200 I've got this line,

00:47:45.260 you tell me what I can't say

00:47:46.300 and I'm not,

00:47:47.480 I shit you not,

00:47:49.580 tell me what I can't say

00:47:50.840 and that was it,

00:47:52.180 it was off.

00:47:53.320 I wrote that poem

00:47:54.340 in about four minutes

00:47:55.500 and it just wouldn't stop

00:47:57.460 until I'd finished

00:47:58.980 and when I finished

00:47:59.660 I realised

00:48:00.400 it was finished.

00:48:03.120 and I put it online

00:48:05.740 in 2018

00:48:06.780 after Edinburgh

00:48:08.160 because I used it

00:48:09.000 in my Northern Monkey show

00:48:09.940 which was also

00:48:11.700 critically acclaimed.

00:48:12.980 Great show.

00:48:13.880 Right,

00:48:14.240 and so people had seen it.

00:48:17.140 We didn't do much online

00:48:18.520 then 2019

00:48:19.520 this ex-Special Forces

00:48:21.260 fellow from Newcastle

00:48:22.360 he'd seen it on YouTube,

00:48:24.220 shared it to his Facebook page

00:48:25.400 and all of a sudden

00:48:25.880 it started to go through the roof

00:48:27.060 and in two weeks

00:48:28.280 he'd had about

00:48:28.660 850,000 views

00:48:29.960 which is great

00:48:30.500 just before I was

00:48:31.140 going to Edinburgh

00:48:31.700 when we show forgiveness

00:48:33.480 this is 2019

00:48:34.320 and then of course

00:48:36.340 last year

00:48:37.060 I don't know why

00:48:38.020 all of a sudden

00:48:38.920 overnight

00:48:39.500 it had like 600,000 views

00:48:41.900 and then it was like

00:48:42.520 a million and a half

00:48:43.760 and then Facebook

00:48:46.000 Facebook sort of like

00:48:47.860 is it shadow banded

00:48:48.960 or something like this

00:48:49.900 and there was

00:48:50.500 no more of it

00:48:51.120 so I went outside

00:48:52.620 the blast furnace

00:48:54.480 again

00:48:55.120 because I filmed it

00:48:55.900 the original one

00:48:56.720 outside the blast furnace

00:48:57.560 so now a bit of slag

00:48:58.400 and I filmed it

00:49:00.180 again

00:49:00.400 I brought it up to date

00:49:01.840 and I clarified

00:49:03.760 I clarified

00:49:04.720 because in the original

00:49:05.300 it doesn't mention

00:49:06.740 the thing about

00:49:07.680 the Rothschilds

00:49:08.220 being multi-billionaires

00:49:09.020 but I thought

00:49:09.340 right I'll clarify

00:49:09.980 that point

00:49:10.600 I'll put that point

00:49:11.400 in you know what I mean

00:49:12.040 and clarify that people

00:49:13.440 know that it's not

00:49:14.200 coming from like

00:49:14.700 an anti-Semitic place

00:49:15.600 I'm just coming from

00:49:16.180 the fact of

00:49:16.640 how can these people

00:49:17.640 who are multi-billionaires

00:49:18.620 not be able to

00:49:19.240 affect banking

00:49:21.040 so I clarified it

00:49:21.880 I updated it

00:49:22.540 and that just flew

00:49:24.340 I mean Isaiah Washington

00:49:25.540 in America

00:49:26.600 famous actor

00:49:27.520 Igor all of it

00:49:28.160 it was all over

00:49:28.740 his Instagram

00:49:29.220 I had people

00:49:30.180 teachers

00:49:31.060 professors from Italy

00:49:32.440 saying can we teach

00:49:33.540 this to our students

00:49:34.420 in class

00:49:35.500 tens of millions

00:49:36.700 of people

00:49:37.220 I had people

00:49:37.860 in Morocco

00:49:39.020 I had people

00:49:40.800 in Israel

00:49:41.460 I had people

00:49:42.560 in Nigeria

00:49:43.380 and Ghana

00:49:44.400 South Africa

00:49:45.660 all over Europe

00:49:47.020 America

00:49:47.880 was just like

00:49:49.280 like wildfire

00:49:50.740 Canada

00:49:51.300 everywhere

00:49:52.560 Scandinavia

00:49:53.440 the whole world

00:49:54.400 right

00:49:55.760 and I was like

00:49:57.520 well

00:49:59.020 emotional again

00:50:00.100 because

00:50:00.440 I'm

00:50:01.460 I'm just like

00:50:02.560 a normal

00:50:02.880 working class bloke

00:50:03.800 and it was too much

00:50:04.460 for me to fucking

00:50:04.980 take in

00:50:05.440 do you know what I mean

00:50:05.920 like

00:50:06.800 like

00:50:07.260 like the

00:50:08.520 it was

00:50:09.180 it's so intense

00:50:10.280 do you understand

00:50:11.120 what I'm saying

00:50:11.660 yeah

00:50:11.960 like it was like

00:50:13.200 what the fuck

00:50:14.200 I felt

00:50:14.740 frightened

00:50:15.540 I felt intimidated

00:50:16.860 I felt as I was

00:50:18.500 in like a fishbowl

00:50:19.220 and everybody was

00:50:19.720 looking at me

00:50:20.260 you know what I mean

00:50:20.800 and then I had this idea

00:50:23.260 I thought myself

00:50:23.860 right

00:50:24.060 I could

00:50:25.000 I could do this

00:50:26.260 using all these people

00:50:27.160 so we did a global version

00:50:28.380 and I did it

00:50:30.820 I mean

00:50:31.060 I don't have a computer

00:50:32.480 don't have anything like that

00:50:33.780 so

00:50:34.220 I made this video

00:50:35.600 the right to hate

00:50:37.100 global version

00:50:38.400 using

00:50:39.480 150 odd people

00:50:41.460 from around the world

00:50:42.360 from Nigeria

00:50:43.120 and Kenya

00:50:44.020 and Ghana

00:50:44.900 and South America

00:50:46.000 Peru

00:50:46.960 Argentina

00:50:48.320 Brazil

00:50:48.760 everywhere right

00:50:49.620 I did it all

00:50:51.640 on my mobile phone

00:50:52.380 they sent me lines

00:50:53.800 to the poem

00:50:54.320 on my mobile phone

00:50:55.280 and I sent them

00:50:56.440 to this guy

00:50:56.920 who was like a filmmaker

00:50:58.280 and he put them all together

00:51:00.220 and we put the

00:51:01.160 we put the finished version

00:51:03.020 out there

00:51:04.800 and it didn't do as much

00:51:06.020 as the

00:51:06.460 the original

00:51:07.540 I thought was better

00:51:09.180 you know

00:51:10.140 even the

00:51:10.740 the part where

00:51:11.960 you know

00:51:12.500 about the Rothschilds

00:51:14.180 like

00:51:14.540 Jewish people

00:51:15.780 did those parts

00:51:17.160 did those lines

00:51:18.100 do you know

00:51:19.120 and so

00:51:21.020 it's become

00:51:22.180 the poem has become

00:51:23.460 a global phenomena

00:51:24.360 and I never expected that

00:51:28.020 I didn't intend it

00:51:29.540 I didn't ask for it

00:51:30.380 I didn't ask for the attention

00:51:31.560 I get like thousands of people

00:51:33.720 sending me

00:51:34.200 friend requests

00:51:34.980 all the time

00:51:35.560 and I think

00:51:35.820 well what

00:51:36.100 I'm not famous

00:51:37.100 I'm not a star

00:51:37.860 do you know what I mean

00:51:38.660 I haven't got no money

00:51:39.380 I'm on the verge of going under

00:51:40.900 you know

00:51:42.120 I don't have any possessions

00:51:43.060 in my house

00:51:43.780 or the house I sleep

00:51:44.920 and I have a chair

00:51:45.500 and a bed

00:51:45.880 that's it

00:51:46.580 I don't feel

00:51:48.460 worthy of this attention

00:51:50.660 do you know what I mean

00:51:51.260 but the attention's there now

00:51:53.020 and because the attention's there

00:51:54.440 the theatre

00:51:55.240 turned around to the promoter

00:51:56.640 and said

00:51:57.100 or my agent Mike Lee

00:51:59.360 and said

00:51:59.780 well

00:52:00.060 it doesn't matter

00:52:00.900 because he's out there online

00:52:01.880 and I

00:52:05.080 I mean

00:52:05.540 I

00:52:05.760 I've always been a fighter

00:52:08.200 not in terms of like

00:52:09.300 physically

00:52:09.680 but like

00:52:10.400 with my wits

00:52:11.520 I fight with my wits

00:52:12.480 you know

00:52:12.660 when I fought the

00:52:13.580 local authority

00:52:14.640 in Red Cow

00:52:15.220 over the issue of the

00:52:16.160 corrupted housing estate

00:52:17.880 you know

00:52:18.120 I fought with my wits

00:52:19.040 and I thought

00:52:20.680 well what am I going to do here

00:52:22.060 I have to do something

00:52:23.240 to fight back

00:52:24.140 and

00:52:25.400 and so I just put the post

00:52:29.340 on my Facebook page

00:52:30.840 just saying

00:52:31.280 basically I've been banned

00:52:32.840 by the theatre

00:52:33.540 and I couldn't believe it

00:52:34.840 and

00:52:35.120 nobody else could believe it

00:52:38.080 really because

00:52:38.680 it's already been in there

00:52:40.700 and done

00:52:41.020 massive things

00:52:42.700 and I mean

00:52:43.480 let me ask you again though

00:52:44.680 why do you think

00:52:45.420 that's happened

00:52:45.980 is there something

00:52:47.340 well from what I can gather

00:52:48.580 it can be

00:52:49.220 it

00:52:49.580 the decision came from

00:52:51.780 above

00:52:52.380 the director of the theatre

00:52:55.280 I think they might have

00:52:55.980 a board

00:52:56.700 or a

00:52:57.240 you know

00:52:58.120 a group that

00:52:58.920 controls the theatre

00:53:00.220 I don't know

00:53:00.920 I don't know

00:53:01.480 but I think that's where

00:53:02.220 it

00:53:02.380 where it came from

00:53:03.760 I think there are forces

00:53:04.660 at work

00:53:05.260 without being a conspiracy theorist

00:53:07.440 but I mean

00:53:09.960 you know

00:53:10.220 that's why I'm

00:53:10.860 I'm grateful to you guys

00:53:12.820 for inviting me

00:53:14.380 onto the programme

00:53:15.120 so like

00:53:15.960 I can

00:53:16.520 like put my side

00:53:18.880 forward

00:53:19.400 publicly

00:53:20.000 because

00:53:20.580 hey listen

00:53:22.060 right

00:53:22.660 I mean

00:53:23.020 the show never had

00:53:24.000 one complaint

00:53:24.700 everywhere it's gone

00:53:26.860 it's had

00:53:28.700 standing ovations

00:53:29.600 everywhere

00:53:31.020 yep

00:53:31.600 when I was in the

00:53:34.160 Soho last year

00:53:35.200 and there was

00:53:37.000 an actor there

00:53:38.120 from Downton Abbey

00:53:39.040 he said

00:53:40.780 I'd never seen

00:53:41.180 anything like it

00:53:41.720 people were

00:53:42.220 queuing up

00:53:42.980 to hug me

00:53:43.580 it set people

00:53:45.460 on the road

00:53:45.940 to forgiveness

00:53:46.380 themselves

00:53:46.860 other people

00:53:47.520 who've suffered

00:53:47.980 murder

00:53:48.360 have seen the show

00:53:49.340 and it set them

00:53:50.520 on the road

00:53:50.980 to forgiveness

00:53:52.080 and not just

00:53:52.720 like

00:53:53.000 people have been

00:53:54.200 setting the road

00:53:54.620 to forgiveness

00:53:55.020 not just with

00:53:55.700 not just with

00:53:58.080 big things

00:53:59.300 but with little things

00:54:00.220 one bloke said

00:54:01.100 he hadn't spoke

00:54:01.840 to his dad

00:54:02.220 for 10 years

00:54:02.920 and

00:54:04.240 over and out

00:54:05.440 in the summit

00:54:05.780 really

00:54:06.100 and he said

00:54:07.240 he's going to

00:54:07.660 phone his dad

00:54:08.260 and ask him

00:54:09.140 to go for a beer

00:54:09.820 when I was in

00:54:11.720 Edinburgh

00:54:12.000 there was a girl

00:54:12.700 she was outside

00:54:15.180 the theatre

00:54:15.660 and she was

00:54:16.080 late looking

00:54:16.400 and I was

00:54:16.780 giving the flyers

00:54:17.460 out

00:54:17.660 and she said

00:54:19.520 oh

00:54:19.780 I said

00:54:20.340 I'm trying to

00:54:21.340 tell her

00:54:21.620 what the show

00:54:22.060 is about

00:54:22.320 and she said

00:54:22.660 oh no

00:54:22.940 it's about

00:54:23.300 she said

00:54:23.660 my brother

00:54:24.200 committed suicide

00:54:25.080 like you know

00:54:25.780 I said

00:54:26.420 oh ok

00:54:26.780 then

00:54:27.040 she said

00:54:27.700 I don't know

00:54:27.940 whether I'll

00:54:28.180 come in or not

00:54:28.740 it might not be

00:54:29.340 for me

00:54:29.660 I said

00:54:29.900 well it might be

00:54:30.480 for you

00:54:30.860 I said

00:54:31.860 just come in

00:54:32.420 I said

00:54:33.560 well there's no

00:54:33.880 ask if you

00:54:34.200 don't want

00:54:34.420 to come in

00:54:34.880 so anyway

00:54:37.340 you know

00:54:38.860 you've only got

00:54:41.240 so much time

00:54:43.360 outside

00:54:44.020 Leaflet Inn

00:54:44.780 so

00:54:45.100 we cut off

00:54:48.240 time

00:54:48.460 and I went

00:54:48.700 down into

00:54:49.200 the room

00:54:49.740 the room

00:54:50.320 was packed

00:54:50.680 out

00:54:51.000 about to start

00:54:52.540 and all of a

00:54:53.100 sudden

00:54:53.300 the door

00:54:54.360 opened

00:54:54.840 and this girl

00:54:56.220 Zed came

00:54:56.760 came around

00:55:01.340 the door

00:55:01.780 I said

00:55:02.800 come on

00:55:03.100 in love

00:55:03.440 come on

00:55:04.080 in

00:55:04.260 she sat

00:55:05.700 down

00:55:06.060 and she

00:55:07.000 fucking

00:55:07.300 loved it

00:55:07.860 the show

00:55:10.720 the biggest

00:55:13.460 thing

00:55:13.720 for the show

00:55:15.620 for me

00:55:16.160 last year

00:55:19.760 in the

00:55:20.000 Soho

00:55:20.380 Theatre

00:55:20.820 see I've

00:55:22.240 always wanted

00:55:22.660 to bring

00:55:22.960 both sides

00:55:23.520 of comedy

00:55:23.880 together

00:55:24.320 as I say

00:55:25.520 because I

00:55:25.820 think it's

00:55:26.080 too top

00:55:26.500 heavy right

00:55:26.960 but you

00:55:28.760 had middle

00:55:29.260 class

00:55:29.600 progressive

00:55:30.020 people

00:55:30.620 sat

00:55:32.340 alongside

00:55:32.800 working

00:55:33.420 class

00:55:33.800 people

00:55:34.220 and they

00:55:35.920 were all

00:55:36.240 laughing

00:55:36.580 and they

00:55:38.240 were all

00:55:38.580 thinking

00:55:39.020 whether they

00:55:40.480 agreed or

00:55:40.920 not

00:55:41.200 together

00:55:42.340 and after

00:55:44.520 the show

00:55:44.980 and this

00:55:45.440 was the

00:55:45.680 biggest

00:55:45.940 compliment

00:55:46.420 that I

00:55:47.860 took away

00:55:48.240 from that

00:55:48.560 show

00:55:48.880 was that

00:55:51.760 the promoters

00:55:52.340 staff came

00:55:52.900 to see it

00:55:53.260 I think

00:55:53.440 on a

00:55:53.680 Thursday

00:55:54.020 night

00:55:54.360 and they're

00:55:54.660 all

00:55:54.940 young

00:55:55.520 trendy

00:55:56.960 uber

00:55:58.100 progressive

00:55:58.540 young

00:55:59.620 kind of

00:56:00.420 liberal

00:56:00.820 people

00:56:01.460 and they

00:56:02.300 were all

00:56:02.640 blown away

00:56:03.140 by it

00:56:03.660 and they

00:56:05.240 said it

00:56:05.480 crosses

00:56:05.740 so many

00:56:06.820 divides

00:56:07.440 brings down

00:56:08.520 so many

00:56:08.940 barriers

00:56:09.460 like you

00:56:11.060 know

00:56:11.280 it's

00:56:12.580 promoting

00:56:13.000 peace

00:56:14.060 and tolerance

00:56:14.860 and laughter

00:56:16.880 and forgiveness

00:56:19.520 most of all

00:56:20.580 forgiveness

00:56:21.020 never had one

00:56:21.780 complaint

00:56:22.360 and so a

00:56:24.140 show

00:56:24.460 that's done

00:56:25.720 that

00:56:26.060 you know

00:56:27.500 that yeah

00:56:29.040 uses

00:56:29.640 uncompromising

00:56:30.900 language

00:56:31.520 in context

00:56:32.820 with the

00:56:33.180 times that

00:56:33.800 it was

00:56:34.060 setting

00:56:34.480 right

00:56:35.600 it's

00:56:37.480 basically

00:56:37.840 now

00:56:38.620 being put

00:56:39.920 into a

00:56:40.260 position

00:56:40.560 whereby

00:56:40.920 we're

00:56:43.060 struggling

00:56:43.360 to get

00:56:43.660 it out

00:56:43.960 there

00:56:44.300 like

00:56:44.680 because

00:56:44.820 I mean

00:56:45.120 the

00:56:46.580 promoter

00:56:46.960 said

00:56:47.260 if

00:56:48.400 the

00:56:49.680 pandemic

00:56:50.000 hadn't

00:56:50.340 happened

00:56:50.660 the

00:56:51.900 promoter

00:56:52.240 said

00:56:52.420 if we'd

00:56:52.660 have

00:56:52.700 gone

00:56:52.840 at the

00:56:53.080 Soar

00:56:53.360 theatre

00:56:53.740 backed

00:56:54.280 by popular

00:56:54.780 demand

00:56:55.260 you would

00:56:56.200 have had

00:56:56.400 a tour

00:56:56.720 do you

00:56:57.900 know what

00:56:58.040 I mean

00:56:58.240 without

00:56:58.700 any question

00:56:59.980 at all

00:57:00.280 you'd have

00:57:00.600 had a tour

00:57:00.980 but now

00:57:02.520 we're struggling

00:57:02.900 to even

00:57:04.320 find a venue

00:57:06.000 for it to go

00:57:06.660 in

00:57:06.800 which is

00:57:08.060 a real

00:57:08.580 shame

00:57:09.060 and I'll

00:57:10.220 tell you

00:57:10.520 why

00:57:10.820 right

00:57:11.400 because I

00:57:12.760 mean I'm

00:57:13.060 on Facebook

00:57:13.500 all the

00:57:13.860 time

00:57:14.060 it's the

00:57:14.300 only thing

00:57:14.560 I have

00:57:14.840 to occupy

00:57:15.220 myself

00:57:15.660 and

00:57:18.200 apart from

00:57:19.460 writing my

00:57:20.480 poems

00:57:20.800 and I don't

00:57:22.320 write comedy

00:57:22.760 anymore

00:57:23.040 because I

00:57:23.360 haven't got

00:57:23.560 the outlet

00:57:23.900 for it

00:57:24.300 so there's

00:57:25.320 no point in

00:57:25.660 frustrating

00:57:26.060 myself

00:57:26.420 I mean I

00:57:26.800 do write

00:57:27.120 comedy

00:57:27.380 every now

00:57:27.680 and again

00:57:27.980 but

00:57:28.240 not like

00:57:29.480 I used

00:57:29.800 to

00:57:29.920 and I

00:57:30.280 and I

00:57:31.880 look at

00:57:32.120 it and

00:57:32.340 we are

00:57:32.700 so

00:57:33.260 divided

00:57:34.580 now

00:57:35.660 and

00:57:36.860 I mean

00:57:38.080 not just

00:57:38.760 the thing

00:57:39.040 with race

00:57:39.760 right

00:57:40.480 not just

00:57:42.580 the thing

00:57:42.860 with race

00:57:43.440 but

00:57:44.360 but this

00:57:45.100 whole thing

00:57:45.700 with the

00:57:46.120 pandemic

00:57:46.660 we're divided

00:57:48.780 by those

00:57:49.620 who were

00:57:50.120 afraid of

00:57:50.700 COVID-19

00:57:51.460 and those

00:57:52.920 who are

00:57:53.080 unafraid

00:57:53.540 of COVID-19

00:57:54.500 those who

00:57:55.520 want to

00:57:55.860 wear masks

00:57:56.540 those who

00:57:56.960 don't want

00:57:57.440 to wear

00:57:57.700 masks

00:57:58.180 those who

00:57:59.600 have been

00:57:59.820 vaccinated

00:58:00.440 those who

00:58:01.000 don't want

00:58:01.400 to be

00:58:01.540 vaccinated

00:58:02.020 and it's

00:58:02.820 like I

00:58:03.300 mean just

00:58:03.620 coming down

00:58:04.060 here on

00:58:04.340 the train

00:58:04.760 it's like

00:58:05.240 it's all

00:58:06.460 the time

00:58:06.820 as soon as

00:58:07.160 you say

00:58:07.400 anything

00:58:07.700 do you

00:58:07.900 mean

00:58:08.000 because

00:58:08.180 I'm not

00:58:09.080 if you

00:58:09.360 want to

00:58:09.560 get the

00:58:09.780 vaccine

00:58:10.220 or get

00:58:10.840 jabbed

00:58:11.400 have it

00:58:11.860 right

00:58:12.440 but don't

00:58:14.320 don't tell

00:58:15.240 me that I

00:58:15.760 have to

00:58:16.140 have it

00:58:16.380 I mean I

00:58:16.740 felt heartbroken

00:58:17.740 today because

00:58:18.260 I mean my

00:58:19.460 world has got

00:58:20.240 smaller and

00:58:20.780 smaller and

00:58:21.240 smaller to the

00:58:21.840 point now

00:58:22.320 where basically

00:58:23.140 I sit in

00:58:23.580 the car all

00:58:24.060 day in

00:58:24.340 this car park

00:58:25.400 next to

00:58:25.780 this baker's

00:58:26.380 in mask

00:58:26.840 near where

00:58:28.480 I live

00:58:28.860 and I sit

00:58:29.420 there eating

00:58:29.980 cake and

00:58:30.420 drinking tea

00:58:30.960 and writing

00:58:31.340 that's how

00:58:32.060 small my

00:58:32.640 life's got

00:58:33.200 and I don't

00:58:34.000 see anybody

00:58:34.520 for most of

00:58:35.160 the day

00:58:35.480 so like I'm

00:58:36.560 you know I

00:58:38.000 don't have to

00:58:39.020 provide any

00:58:39.600 like vaccine

00:58:40.240 passport or

00:58:40.900 anything like

00:58:41.140 that right

00:58:41.540 but like I

00:58:42.240 am medically

00:58:43.080 exempt from

00:58:44.200 wearing a mask

00:58:45.060 and from having

00:58:45.700 the vaccine

00:58:46.180 or the jab

00:58:46.660 because of

00:58:48.340 medical conditions

00:58:48.960 pre-existing

00:58:49.560 medical conditions

00:58:50.820 that I have

00:58:51.300 and I was

00:58:53.260 getting my bag

00:58:53.640 together and

00:58:54.520 I thought

00:58:54.720 to myself

00:58:55.100 I better

00:58:56.060 take them

00:58:56.460 letters

00:58:56.860 you know from

00:58:59.100 the doctor

00:58:59.540 saying I was

00:59:00.300 exempt

00:59:00.700 and that

00:59:01.700 broke my

00:59:02.620 heart

00:59:03.040 because for

00:59:04.640 me

00:59:04.940 that's like

00:59:06.820 that's like

00:59:07.780 a really

00:59:08.220 totalitarian

00:59:11.020 regime isn't

00:59:12.000 it

00:59:12.480 where it's

00:59:13.540 like shows

00:59:14.300 your purpose

00:59:14.860 to do this

00:59:16.240 you know

00:59:16.620 shows your

00:59:17.760 purpose to

00:59:18.200 do that

00:59:18.620 and you

00:59:20.920 know I put

00:59:21.420 that on

00:59:21.720 Facebook

00:59:22.340 coming down

00:59:23.220 on the

00:59:23.600 train

00:59:23.880 and people

00:59:24.200 say oh

00:59:24.480 yeah we

00:59:24.760 live in

00:59:25.120 London

00:59:25.300 we never

00:59:25.700 did that

00:59:26.000 I said

00:59:26.160 you missed

00:59:26.780 the point

00:59:27.180 you missed

00:59:28.520 the point

00:59:28.960 the point

00:59:29.400 is right

00:59:29.940 that I

00:59:30.740 felt as though

00:59:31.340 I had to

00:59:32.020 take proof

00:59:33.380 of my

00:59:34.360 medical status

00:59:35.400 in case I

00:59:36.400 was refused

00:59:36.880 entry to

00:59:37.400 somewhere

00:59:37.780 it's a

00:59:38.720 fucking

00:59:38.940 it's like

00:59:40.120 it's it's

00:59:41.000 like fucking

00:59:41.660 mental

00:59:42.540 I'm going

00:59:46.540 somewhere

00:59:46.840 tomorrow

00:59:47.200 and I got

00:59:47.960 an email

00:59:48.320 and they

00:59:48.600 said

00:59:48.820 like have

00:59:50.380 you been

00:59:50.620 double

00:59:50.880 jabbed

00:59:51.820 you know

00:59:52.520 because

00:59:52.980 I said

00:59:53.760 no I

00:59:54.040 haven't

00:59:55.000 I'm

00:59:55.240 medically

00:59:55.520 exempt

00:59:56.000 but you

00:59:56.420 know

00:59:56.520 and I

00:59:57.260 think what

00:59:57.760 is going

00:59:58.180 on

00:59:58.540 where

00:59:59.880 are we

01:00:01.220 going

01:00:01.460 with all

01:00:01.860 of this

01:00:02.140 you know

01:00:02.480 it's a

01:00:03.360 very

01:00:03.540 very interesting

01:00:04.160 point

01:00:04.520 there's a

01:00:04.840 question

01:00:05.100 I really

01:00:05.620 want to

01:00:05.880 ask you

01:00:06.320 your show

01:00:07.020 is about

01:00:07.420 forgiveness

01:00:07.920 I watched

01:00:09.820 it

01:00:09.980 it was

01:00:10.160 brilliant

01:00:10.800 it was

01:00:11.100 powerful

01:00:11.560 it was

01:00:11.960 haunting

01:00:12.300 it was

01:00:12.740 incredibly

01:00:13.260 funny

01:00:13.620 as well

01:00:13.980 it was

01:00:14.260 a perfect

01:00:14.700 show

01:00:15.080 and you

01:00:16.420 talked about

01:00:16.960 that particular

01:00:17.580 subject

01:00:18.180 looking at

01:00:19.040 what's

01:00:19.300 happened

01:00:19.560 to you

01:00:19.940 looking

01:00:20.680 what's

01:00:20.960 happening

01:00:21.240 in society

01:00:21.920 do you

01:00:22.620 think we're

01:00:22.880 losing the

01:00:23.240 ability to

01:00:23.780 forgive Chris

01:00:24.420 massively

01:00:25.820 so

01:00:26.240 I told you

01:00:29.120 I was going

01:00:29.420 to cry

01:00:29.680 my emotions

01:00:30.840 with this

01:00:31.280 are all

01:00:31.720 over the

01:00:32.040 place

01:00:32.400 and it's

01:00:33.500 not show

01:00:33.980 boating

01:00:34.320 or anything

01:00:34.720 like that

01:00:35.000 I'm walking

01:00:36.620 around with

01:00:37.380 this inside

01:00:38.060 all the time

01:00:38.680 and that's

01:00:39.060 why I

01:00:39.380 appreciate

01:00:39.720 you guys

01:00:40.320 inviting me

01:00:40.760 down

01:00:40.980 we are

01:00:43.940 all being

01:00:44.660 set against

01:00:45.540 each other

01:00:46.080 right

01:00:46.480 all of us

01:00:47.940 right

01:00:49.400 black and

01:00:51.500 white

01:00:51.760 different

01:00:52.980 religions

01:00:53.560 the prester

01:00:55.040 the shit up

01:00:55.620 constantly

01:00:56.100 right

01:00:56.420 they're like

01:00:57.700 they're like

01:00:58.100 the schoolyard

01:00:58.740 bully

01:00:59.020 do you know

01:01:00.180 what I mean

01:01:00.400 he should

01:01:00.720 he can have

01:01:01.060 you

01:01:01.240 and the next

01:01:03.780 thing

01:01:03.900 everybody's

01:01:04.300 fighting

01:01:04.580 and the

01:01:05.040 school bully

01:01:05.480 fucks off

01:01:06.080 do you know

01:01:06.880 what I mean

01:01:07.140 or makes

01:01:08.300 money in this

01:01:08.880 case

01:01:09.000 yeah exactly

01:01:10.020 and what it

01:01:10.880 requires is

01:01:11.460 both sides

01:01:12.000 to get

01:01:12.240 hold of the

01:01:12.620 school bully

01:01:13.060 and knock

01:01:13.320 his fucking

01:01:13.680 head off

01:01:14.000 do you know

01:01:14.280 what I mean

01:01:14.400 that's what

01:01:14.700 it requires

01:01:15.240 we're all

01:01:16.900 being set

01:01:17.420 against each

01:01:18.040 of them

01:01:18.220 the whole

01:01:18.600 thing

01:01:19.440 and I

01:01:21.100 said

01:01:21.460 to the

01:01:22.480 people at

01:01:22.820 the theatre

01:01:23.240 I said

01:01:23.860 the message

01:01:24.820 of

01:01:25.640 forgiveness

01:01:26.100 and the

01:01:27.000 themes of

01:01:27.540 the show

01:01:28.000 right

01:01:29.560 are never

01:01:30.900 more needed

01:01:32.100 than now

01:01:33.480 you know

01:01:34.460 and I'm not

01:01:35.040 saying that

01:01:35.400 because I'm

01:01:35.700 trying to sell

01:01:36.180 a show

01:01:36.500 or whatever

01:01:36.820 I just

01:01:37.960 think

01:01:38.240 that they

01:01:40.140 are

01:01:40.440 and forgiveness

01:01:41.500 is a very

01:01:42.160 very personal

01:01:43.000 thing

01:01:43.480 it felt

01:01:44.500 right for

01:01:44.880 me

01:01:45.080 might not

01:01:46.420 feel right

01:01:46.740 for you

01:01:46.940 might not

01:01:47.280 feel right

01:01:47.620 for him

01:01:47.960 but it

01:01:48.700 felt right

01:01:49.040 for me

01:01:49.520 do you

01:01:50.220 know

01:01:50.300 what I

01:01:50.380 mean

01:01:50.600 but if

01:01:52.400 we can

01:01:52.580 go somewhere

01:01:53.400 to forgiving

01:01:54.900 you know

01:01:56.160 if I've

01:01:57.580 upset anybody

01:01:58.560 because of

01:01:59.480 this poem

01:01:59.880 I've

01:02:00.080 explained

01:02:00.600 the thing

01:02:01.660 forgive me

01:02:02.520 you know

01:02:03.820 you can see

01:02:05.120 I hope you can

01:02:06.080 see I'm not a

01:02:06.600 bad bloke

01:02:07.140 there's no

01:02:08.860 malice in me

01:02:09.620 and this is

01:02:10.520 one of the

01:02:10.800 things I said

01:02:11.340 to him

01:02:11.500 I said

01:02:11.680 if I don't

01:02:13.340 hate the

01:02:13.820 man

01:02:14.120 who strangled

01:02:16.420 my dad's

01:02:18.360 life away

01:02:18.920 and set

01:02:20.320 him on

01:02:20.620 fire

01:02:20.920 why would

01:02:21.760 I hate

01:02:22.560 anybody

01:02:23.140 because they

01:02:24.140 were black

01:02:24.600 or because

01:02:25.680 they were

01:02:25.980 Asian

01:02:26.320 or because

01:02:27.180 they were

01:02:27.460 Jewish

01:02:27.820 or because

01:02:28.660 they were

01:02:29.140 gay

01:02:30.480 or whatever

01:02:30.920 I wouldn't

01:02:31.640 you just

01:02:32.620 wouldn't

01:02:33.760 you know

01:02:34.140 and we

01:02:35.060 but in this

01:02:36.440 country

01:02:36.960 in this

01:02:37.340 world

01:02:37.720 it

01:02:38.600 it

01:02:39.140 it's

01:02:39.820 become

01:02:40.140 like a

01:02:40.480 really

01:02:40.720 mean

01:02:41.240 place

01:02:42.360 and I've

01:02:42.980 seen that

01:02:43.640 get worse

01:02:44.340 over the

01:02:44.820 last

01:02:45.080 18 months

01:02:46.520 you know

01:02:46.940 it's

01:02:48.380 become like

01:02:48.880 a fucking

01:02:49.260 bear pit

01:02:49.760 hasn't it

01:02:50.120 do you know

01:02:50.380 what I mean

01:02:50.580 it's like a

01:02:51.200 dog fight

01:02:51.780 social media

01:02:53.260 when you

01:02:53.520 say about

01:02:53.820 do you

01:02:53.960 go on

01:02:54.180 Twitter

01:02:54.360 I don't

01:02:54.620 go on

01:02:54.880 Twitter

01:02:55.040 because

01:02:55.260 it's

01:02:55.400 too much

01:02:55.840 of a

01:02:56.020 toxic

01:02:56.240 place

01:02:56.580 and everyone

01:02:56.840 knows

01:02:57.260 Facebook

01:02:59.040 is bad

01:03:00.600 enough

01:03:00.800 but Twitter

01:03:01.440 is terrible

01:03:01.900 you know

01:03:03.240 but yeah

01:03:03.680 we do

01:03:04.320 we do

01:03:05.040 lack

01:03:05.300 forgiveness

01:03:05.780 so much

01:03:07.160 and you

01:03:09.220 know

01:03:09.320 not just

01:03:09.700 from a

01:03:10.360 viewpoint

01:03:10.680 of me

01:03:11.200 wanting

01:03:11.980 to

01:03:13.440 get

01:03:15.680 recognition

01:03:16.520 or get

01:03:17.580 something for

01:03:18.000 myself

01:03:18.320 through the

01:03:18.700 show

01:03:18.940 I think

01:03:20.560 it's the

01:03:21.540 message of

01:03:21.980 the show

01:03:22.280 that I want

01:03:22.640 to take

01:03:22.980 out there

01:03:23.420 you know

01:03:25.160 because I've

01:03:26.160 seen the

01:03:26.460 power of

01:03:26.820 it

01:03:26.900 I've seen

01:03:27.340 the power

01:03:28.380 of the

01:03:29.120 show

01:03:29.320 somebody said

01:03:29.780 to me

01:03:30.140 it's one

01:03:30.820 of the

01:03:30.960 best comedy

01:03:31.360 shows

01:03:31.900 that I've

01:03:34.060 ever seen

01:03:34.460 and they're

01:03:34.780 like a

01:03:36.100 top PR

01:03:37.360 person

01:03:37.860 and when

01:03:40.240 you get

01:03:40.540 some of the

01:03:41.160 critics saying

01:03:41.700 the things

01:03:42.020 that they've

01:03:42.280 said about

01:03:42.620 it

01:03:42.840 then you

01:03:43.740 know that

01:03:44.080 it means

01:03:44.480 something

01:03:44.740 it's an

01:03:45.100 important

01:03:46.140 show

01:03:46.580 I don't

01:03:47.300 know it

01:03:47.540 being the

01:03:48.020 best show

01:03:48.580 the funniest

01:03:49.060 show

01:03:49.380 whatever

01:03:49.660 but it's

01:03:50.320 one of the

01:03:50.580 most important

01:03:51.280 shows

01:03:51.760 you know

01:03:53.140 as a whole

01:03:53.760 because it

01:03:54.840 confronts

01:03:55.400 and takes

01:03:56.120 on so

01:03:56.580 many

01:03:56.940 tackles so

01:03:59.320 many issues

01:04:00.000 all in the

01:04:01.420 thing of

01:04:01.720 my

01:04:02.060 father's

01:04:02.840 murder

01:04:03.140 Chris

01:04:05.360 it's been

01:04:05.960 an incredible

01:04:06.720 interview

01:04:07.080 thank you so

01:04:07.820 much for

01:04:08.200 coming

01:04:08.400 thank you very

01:04:08.600 much

01:04:08.860 we always

01:04:10.820 end our

01:04:11.780 interviews

01:04:12.580 with one

01:04:13.440 question

01:04:13.860 it's always

01:04:14.420 what's the

01:04:14.780 one thing

01:04:15.200 we're not

01:04:16.020 talking about

01:04:16.680 but we

01:04:17.440 really should

01:04:17.900 be

01:04:18.140 class

01:04:18.740 class

01:04:21.220 stop

01:04:22.920 discriminating

01:04:23.760 against

01:04:24.720 working class

01:04:25.460 people

01:04:25.860 no matter

01:04:26.980 what colour

01:04:27.400 they are

01:04:27.840 class

01:04:29.620 don't be

01:04:30.600 embarrassed

01:04:30.960 about it

01:04:31.220 everybody

01:04:31.380 gets

01:04:31.560 oh

01:04:32.020 they're

01:04:32.760 shy away

01:04:33.220 from it

01:04:33.460 don't

01:04:33.700 they

01:04:34.320 so when

01:04:35.520 you mention

01:04:35.820 class

01:04:36.200 oh

01:04:36.400 people

01:04:36.840 rear up

01:04:37.860 Stephanie

01:04:39.440 McGovern

01:04:39.880 from

01:04:40.380 Middlesbrough

01:04:41.300 she used

01:04:42.520 to be the

01:04:42.780 BBC's

01:04:44.040 business

01:04:44.600 correspondent

01:04:45.120 I think

01:04:45.600 she said

01:04:48.340 in the

01:04:48.540 Guardian

01:04:48.800 when she

01:04:49.220 went for

01:04:49.600 an interview

01:04:50.380 for the

01:04:50.740 BBC

01:04:51.100 she did

01:04:51.660 brilliantly

01:04:52.180 and this

01:04:53.680 guy came

01:04:54.140 over and

01:04:54.500 said oh

01:04:54.760 that was

01:04:55.020 fantastic

01:04:55.500 we didn't

01:04:56.080 think people

01:04:56.420 like you

01:04:56.700 were

01:04:56.840 intelligent

01:04:57.380 and do

01:04:59.860 you want

01:05:00.000 to know

01:05:00.160 what it

01:05:00.360 was

01:05:00.600 when the

01:05:02.360 Soho

01:05:02.660 Theatre

01:05:02.900 took the

01:05:03.260 show

01:05:03.480 they said

01:05:04.960 oh you

01:05:05.220 know

01:05:05.360 they came

01:05:06.760 from the

01:05:07.360 promoter

01:05:07.660 they said

01:05:07.840 they really

01:05:08.500 want you

01:05:08.880 because they

01:05:10.500 believe in

01:05:11.000 diversity

01:05:11.720 they believe in

01:05:16.440 can you believe

01:05:18.200 that I mean I

01:05:18.680 put that in the

01:05:19.340 show

01:05:19.580 they want you

01:05:21.300 because they

01:05:22.080 believe in

01:05:23.320 diversity

01:05:24.040 right

01:05:25.020 so

01:05:25.760 and I'll

01:05:27.020 say this

01:05:27.340 unashamedly

01:05:27.820 because we

01:05:28.260 are

01:05:28.540 white

01:05:29.300 working

01:05:29.600 class

01:05:29.860 people

01:05:30.180 are the

01:05:30.440 biggest

01:05:30.640 social

01:05:30.980 demographic

01:05:31.660 in this

01:05:32.400 country

01:05:32.700 right

01:05:32.980 but now

01:05:35.480 they regard

01:05:35.980 white

01:05:36.280 working

01:05:36.560 class

01:05:36.840 people

01:05:37.300 right

01:05:38.600 as

01:05:40.040 basically

01:05:41.080 a minority

01:05:41.740 it's

01:05:42.160 fucking

01:05:42.480 incredible

01:05:43.020 it is

01:05:43.620 incredible

01:05:44.140 and you

01:05:45.940 know

01:05:46.100 you saw

01:05:47.840 what happened

01:05:48.140 at the

01:05:48.320 football

01:05:48.500 match

01:05:48.760 it's a

01:05:49.020 minority

01:05:49.440 with the

01:05:50.320 European

01:05:50.660 championship

01:05:52.000 final

01:05:52.360 it's a

01:05:52.700 minority

01:05:53.100 but they're

01:05:54.980 trying to

01:05:55.480 desperately

01:05:57.020 tar a

01:05:59.100 whole class

01:05:59.840 a whole

01:06:00.960 culture

01:06:01.540 with

01:06:03.380 that racist

01:06:04.980 brush

01:06:05.500 and it's

01:06:05.940 wrong

01:06:06.280 and they're

01:06:07.840 trying to

01:06:08.220 rob us

01:06:08.560 of our

01:06:09.100 culture

01:06:09.680 of our

01:06:11.000 mentality

01:06:11.520 of who

01:06:12.940 we are

01:06:13.460 of what

01:06:15.020 we were

01:06:15.540 of perhaps

01:06:17.060 even what

01:06:17.360 we want

01:06:17.560 to become

01:06:17.980 because we

01:06:18.940 never get

01:06:19.540 a look

01:06:19.820 in

01:06:19.940 you tell

01:06:20.900 me any

01:06:21.300 any facet

01:06:22.900 of our

01:06:23.240 society

01:06:23.740 that is

01:06:25.980 run

01:06:26.320 by a

01:06:27.480 working

01:06:27.780 class

01:06:28.180 person

01:06:28.760 I mean

01:06:29.800 even the

01:06:30.100 Labour Party

01:06:30.660 I mean

01:06:31.580 the Labour

01:06:31.880 Party

01:06:32.260 if that

01:06:34.640 doesn't show

01:06:35.180 you how

01:06:35.440 much

01:06:35.680 working

01:06:36.260 class

01:06:36.540 people

01:06:36.880 are

01:06:37.060 discriminated

01:06:37.760 against

01:06:38.160 if you

01:06:39.180 had a

01:06:39.440 black

01:06:39.600 community

01:06:40.040 group

01:06:40.400 that was

01:06:40.700 run by

01:06:41.040 a white

01:06:41.300 person

01:06:41.680 they'd be

01:06:41.980 alone

01:06:42.120 if you

01:06:43.020 had a

01:06:43.340 gay

01:06:43.540 community

01:06:43.960 group

01:06:44.240 that was

01:06:44.520 run by

01:06:44.780 a

01:06:44.940 straight

01:06:45.160 person

01:06:45.520 they'd be

01:06:45.760 alone

01:06:45.920 if you

01:06:46.620 had a

01:06:46.920 Muslim

01:06:47.160 group

01:06:47.440 that was

01:06:47.720 run by

01:06:48.020 a

01:06:48.140 Christian

01:06:48.440 they'd be

01:06:48.740 alone

01:06:48.920 or another

01:06:49.800 religion

01:06:50.180 if it was

01:06:50.820 an Hindu

01:06:51.080 run by

01:06:51.460 a Jew

01:06:51.760 or whatever

01:06:52.060 they'd be

01:06:52.300 alone

01:06:52.460 right

01:06:52.680 in effect

01:06:54.900 the Labour

01:06:55.900 Party

01:06:56.300 is a

01:06:58.440 working

01:06:58.800 class

01:06:59.360 community

01:07:00.580 group

01:07:01.040 and it's

01:07:02.420 run by

01:07:02.980 middle class

01:07:03.840 progressive

01:07:04.260 people

01:07:04.740 and that's

01:07:06.020 why

01:07:06.360 the working

01:07:07.480 class

01:07:07.800 have said

01:07:08.160 fuck you

01:07:09.500 because there's

01:07:10.480 a massive

01:07:10.960 disconnect

01:07:11.440 there

01:07:11.820 and what

01:07:13.200 they think

01:07:13.780 and believe

01:07:14.340 or running

01:07:14.880 the Labour

01:07:15.200 Party

01:07:15.600 isn't what

01:07:16.800 we think

01:07:17.240 and believe

01:07:17.740 and that's

01:07:18.360 why

01:07:18.700 at the

01:07:19.260 by-election

01:07:19.720 in May

01:07:20.220 and Hartlepool

01:07:20.840 right

01:07:21.160 for the

01:07:21.700 first time

01:07:22.180 in 57

01:07:22.620 years

01:07:23.100 my whole

01:07:23.580 life

01:07:23.960 the people

01:07:26.460 of Hartlepool

01:07:27.040 returned

01:07:27.700 a Tory MP

01:07:29.540 and when you

01:07:30.060 think about it

01:07:30.580 right

01:07:30.780 when you

01:07:31.440 think about

01:07:31.840 it

01:07:32.060 we expect

01:07:34.120 to be

01:07:34.440 shit on

01:07:34.740 by the

01:07:35.080 Tories

01:07:35.460 we expect

01:07:37.000 that

01:07:37.320 but we

01:07:38.460 don't expect

01:07:38.940 to have

01:07:39.300 our own

01:07:40.180 shit on

01:07:40.660 us

01:07:40.820 and we

01:07:41.420 don't expect

01:07:41.920 our own

01:07:42.500 to look

01:07:43.020 down the

01:07:43.340 fucking

01:07:43.560 noses

01:07:43.940 at us

01:07:44.320 do you

01:07:45.000 know what

01:07:45.140 I mean

01:07:45.360 and that's

01:07:45.940 what we're

01:07:46.200 getting

01:07:46.400 let's talk

01:07:48.620 about class

01:07:49.280 shall we

01:07:49.700 let's have

01:07:50.920 a working

01:07:51.300 class leader

01:07:51.900 of the Labour

01:07:52.260 Party

01:07:52.660 I'm up

01:07:53.460 for the

01:07:53.700 job

01:07:53.960 Chris

01:07:55.800 thanks for

01:07:56.240 coming on

01:07:56.680 my pleasure

01:07:57.500 I've loved

01:07:57.960 every single

01:07:58.980 second

01:07:59.280 we've loved

01:07:59.760 having you

01:08:00.340 and you know

01:08:01.160 you and I

01:08:01.600 go back

01:08:02.020 a few years

01:08:02.600 now

01:08:02.880 I've watched

01:08:03.620 everything you've

01:08:04.800 done

01:08:05.020 I'm very proud

01:08:05.920 of you

01:08:06.220 thank you

01:08:06.880 I'm so proud

01:08:07.660 of you

01:08:07.900 you've done

01:08:08.240 incredibly well

01:08:09.160 to break

01:08:10.440 through

01:08:10.740 to get to

01:08:11.880 where you

01:08:12.180 are

01:08:12.460 and I hope

01:08:13.320 that people

01:08:13.820 who see

01:08:14.200 this interview

01:08:14.760 I hope

01:08:15.820 something good

01:08:16.280 comes out

01:08:16.680 of it

01:08:16.820 I believe

01:08:17.280 in you

01:08:17.820 I believe

01:08:19.100 in what

01:08:19.360 you've done

01:08:19.720 it was

01:08:20.180 a beautiful

01:08:20.760 show that

01:08:21.260 deserves to

01:08:21.720 be seen

01:08:21.980 by way

01:08:22.320 more people

01:08:22.760 than has

01:08:23.080 been seen

01:08:23.420 by

01:08:23.660 and

01:08:24.760 there's

01:08:26.000 good things

01:08:26.400 in the future

01:08:26.780 for you

01:08:27.180 we have

01:08:27.960 we're hoping

01:08:29.300 that another

01:08:29.740 theatre is going

01:08:30.340 to come

01:08:30.560 we have

01:08:30.900 hopes for that

01:08:31.700 but yeah

01:08:32.140 if anybody

01:08:33.920 out there

01:08:34.300 who can

01:08:34.640 effect change

01:08:35.680 wants to

01:08:36.700 put it on

01:08:37.020 in a London

01:08:37.480 theatre

01:08:37.980 big London

01:08:39.120 theatre

01:08:39.580 I'd be more

01:08:41.460 than grateful

01:08:41.900 where can

01:08:42.840 people find

01:08:43.320 you online

01:08:43.740 Facebook

01:08:45.880 Chris

01:08:46.800 McLean

01:08:47.160 on Facebook

01:08:47.580 yeah

01:08:47.820 Twitter

01:08:48.940 I go on

01:08:49.620 Twitter

01:08:49.760 but not

01:08:50.060 so much

01:08:50.400 I have

01:08:51.140 an Instagram

01:08:51.680 account

01:08:52.020 but I

01:08:52.260 haven't got

01:08:52.480 a fucking

01:08:53.100 clue

01:08:53.440 what I'm

01:08:53.760 doing

01:08:53.920 with it

01:08:54.160 so I

01:08:54.360 don't

01:08:54.480 even

01:08:54.640 bother

01:08:54.840 posting

01:08:55.240 find Chris

01:08:57.300 on Facebook

01:08:57.880 that's where

01:08:59.400 you can get

01:09:00.240 all his

01:09:00.600 views

01:09:01.300 and comedy

01:09:01.900 and all

01:09:02.240 the other

01:09:02.480 stuff

01:09:02.660 that he

01:09:02.860 puts out

01:09:03.220 Chris

01:09:03.420 thanks for

01:09:03.780 coming on

01:09:04.280 my pleasure

01:09:04.740 we're going

01:09:05.680 to do

01:09:05.860 some questions

01:09:06.300 for locals

01:09:06.820 as well

01:09:07.220 God bless you

01:09:07.820 thank you

01:09:08.360 but thank you

01:09:09.480 for watching

01:09:09.940 and listening

01:09:10.420 we will see

01:09:11.060 you very

01:09:11.360 soon with

01:09:11.840 another

01:09:12.060 brilliant

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01:09:19.280 soon guys

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Cancelled Anti-PC Comic Speaks Out

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