TRIGGERnometry - Charlamagne tha God - Democrats are Losers, Republicans are Crooks

00:00:00.000 My triggers, my triggers.

00:00:04.920 Went from straight to high school to a holding cell.

00:00:08.700 And I stayed there for 45 days because my dad was trying to teach me a lesson.

00:00:11.860 Well, it worked, right? Because when you came out?

00:00:14.040 No. Not the first time.

00:00:15.640 The second time. Maybe the third. Probably the second.

00:00:18.960 No, definitely the second.

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00:01:45.020 Charlamagne, welcome to Trigonometry, man.

00:01:46.660 Hey, thank you for having me, man.

00:01:48.000 What's happening?

00:01:48.620 It's great to have you.

00:01:49.500 My triggers, my triggers.

00:01:50.460 We did, at one point, for one of our comedy shows, we had the idea of calling it Triggers with Attitude, but we didn't think we could get away with it. 0.92

00:02:00.720 I mean, I don't know.

00:02:02.840 I would find it kind of funny, you know, Triggers with Attitudes. 1.00

00:02:07.080 It makes sense.

00:02:08.040 Yeah.

00:02:08.320 Because it's trigonometry, you know.

00:02:09.800 You might get a little flack.

00:02:10.740 Who knows?

00:02:11.140 I don't know how sensitive people are nowadays.

00:02:12.820 Pretty f***ing sensitive, especially in the UK, man.

00:02:15.880 Absolutely.

00:02:16.980 But anyway, it's good to have you on.

00:02:18.000 And listen, one of the interesting things about you is, you know, you're in the Radio Hall of Fame, very successful.

00:02:22.020 You've done incredibly well.

00:02:23.560 But from very difficult beginnings, from what I've been reading, at one point, your dad wouldn't bail you out of jail for like 40 days?

00:02:30.240 Yeah.

00:02:30.740 I was a hard-headed little kid.

00:02:34.160 And, you know, growing up in Mountskorn, South Carolina, being involved in a lot of things I didn't have no business being involved in, it started with me getting in trouble in school.

00:02:41.580 So I had already gotten kicked out of one school, which was Berkeley High School in Mountskorn, South Carolina.

00:02:46.940 But, you know, the assistant principal there at the time, her name was Miss Sadie Brown.

00:02:51.000 She believed in me.

00:02:51.900 So she was like, listen, I didn't even go to the expulsion hearing.

00:02:55.500 I went to class like I didn't even have an expulsion hearing.

00:02:57.520 Didn't tell my parents about it or nothing like that.

00:02:59.740 And so she was like, look, let's not expel him.

00:03:02.100 Let's just transfer him to, you know, Scratford High School.

00:03:05.140 That's where his mom teaches at.

00:03:06.580 You know, maybe him being in the same school that his mom taught at will, you know, keep him on the straight and narrow.

00:03:12.960 I mean, I guess it did for a little while, but I was still, you know, kicking it with my homies who was, you know, in the street at the time.

00:03:19.660 Because this was when all around the time all of us was either dropping out of school or the ones that were still in school were like juniors and seniors.

00:03:26.520 So we was like right there, 17, 18 years old.

00:03:29.200 And I got arrested from Scratford High School because I was in the backseat of a car and one of my homeboys shot at somebody.

00:03:36.940 And so the guy that he shot at was actually somebody who went to the school, went to the school I went to, Scratford High School.

00:03:42.680 And so they came and arrested me from class that day.

00:03:46.860 And so I went from sitting in high school, my junior year, senior year.

00:03:52.300 I don't know. It wasn't a senior year. I never made it to my senior year.

00:03:54.020 So like my double sophomore year, and I don't think I made it to my sophomore year because I got left back twice.

00:03:59.160 So my double sophomore year, went from straight to high school to a holding cell.

00:04:05.740 And I stayed there for 45 days and my dad was trying to teach me a lesson.

00:04:08.920 It worked, right? Because when you came out?

00:04:11.100 No, not the first time. The second time, maybe the third, probably the second.

00:04:16.280 It was definitely the second. It was definitely the second because the second time I went to jail,

00:04:20.140 just when I got into selling, you know, a little bit of dope and I was selling crack and I was involved in a drug bust.

00:04:25.780 So it was like 15 of us that ended up, you know, going to the Berkeley County Detention Center.

00:04:31.260 And I remember sitting in the holding cell and that was when I was like, all right, I can't live like this no more.

00:04:36.280 Like this, like this got to change.

00:04:37.800 And my dad used to always tell me, man, you know, in order to change your life, you know, you got to change your your lifestyle.

00:04:42.960 And so that's what really made me say, this is it. I'm done.

00:04:48.940 I'm really going to start doing different things because, you know, my dad would always say, if you don't change your lifestyle,

00:04:54.880 you're going to end up in jail, dead or broke, sitting under a tree.

00:04:57.720 And when you start to see that actually happen to people around you, you know, you start going to jail yourself.

00:05:04.840 You know, people that are actually going to prison.

00:05:07.340 I was just in the detention center. People were actually going to prison for five years.

00:05:11.740 And, you know, you see people around you actually dying and you see people around you that you used to look up to literally sitting under a tree,

00:05:18.160 you know, broke, you know, not doing anything with their life.

00:05:22.280 You know, you kind of snap out of it real quick if you got sense.

00:05:25.040 You know, I always say small people learn from their own mistakes.

00:05:26.880 Wise people learn from the mistakes of others.

00:05:28.440 I don't always have to, you know, make the mistake to learn from it.

00:05:31.980 I can watch other people go through it. And that's that's what that's what happened.

00:05:34.580 One of the hard things when you get into bad habits of doing bad things is in order to let that go,

00:05:40.500 you'll have to let people go as well.

00:05:42.960 The people who are around you who are into that stuff.

00:05:45.580 Was that difficult? Did you have to do that?

00:05:48.360 It wasn't difficult because I had just found a girlfriend.

00:05:52.960 OK. And so when you I just found a girlfriend and she didn't live in most corners. 0.93

00:05:57.260 She lived like in another town of Goose Creek Ladsen area. 1.00

00:06:01.000 And so when you have, you know, you rather be with your girl anyway than be with a bunch of guys.

00:06:06.120 Right. So, you know, you're spending a bunch of time with your girlfriend.

00:06:08.540 That helps to shift the lifestyle. That helps to change the lifestyle.

00:06:12.840 So it is, I guess, difficult, but it's not difficult when you have something better to do. 1.00

00:06:19.700 And, you know, one vagina beats five dicks all day if you're heterosexual. 1.00

00:06:27.580 Has that changed the way that you view the world because of the past experiences of being in jail? 1.00

00:06:33.860 Like, you know, a lot of people talk about jail and a lot of people talk about incarceration.

00:06:39.060 But you've experienced it. So you've got a real world knowledge of it.

00:06:43.260 Has that changed the way you see things?

00:06:44.960 Well, once again, I've never been to prison, you know, I mean, but I've been to the Berkeley County Detention Centers, you know,

00:06:50.260 where you were in the orange jumpsuit. I was there for 45 days. So it's definitely jail.

00:06:54.880 Well, yeah, it helps you to change. It helps you to see the world differently because, you know,

00:06:58.180 you have a lot more grace for people who come from certain environments because, you know,

00:07:04.360 I was able to turn my life around and, you know, become who I am today.

00:07:09.360 Anybody can do that with the right opportunity and the right guidance.

00:07:12.320 You know, I think that sometimes, you know, we punish people and we cancel people for things that we that they were never even taught.

00:07:21.580 Right. We never even took the time to teach this this next generation.

00:07:26.020 Like if we talk about how bad the youth is, then we failed somewhere.

00:07:29.260 You know what I mean? Like if we talk about how bad these kids are, then what have we what have we not been doing?

00:07:35.340 Clearly, we haven't been instilling in this next generation the wisdom that they need.

00:07:39.240 Like even though my dad, you know, had his own issues when it came to, you know, the law and he had his own issues when it came to mental health. 0.99

00:07:46.080 He was always on my ass to be better. 0.97

00:07:48.720 I say all the time my dad raised me out of fear and not love because it was a fear that I would become like him. 1.00

00:07:54.760 He wanted me to be better than him. So he was always on me like it was he was a disciplinarian.

00:08:00.240 He was always on me to educate myself. He was always telling me, oh, you're going to end up just like these guys.

00:08:07.340 You went up in jail dead or broke sitting under the tree. You need people to constantly be on you like that.

00:08:12.940 And, you know, some people are smart enough to listen to those who came before them and learn.

00:08:17.820 And some of them are not. And, you know, they make poor choices.

00:08:20.500 You know, it's a really important point because I think one of the things really affecting not only the US, but also the UK, and this is all communities and demographics, is a lack of fatherlessness.

00:08:31.960 I was working in a part of East London, ironically, called Stratford, near Stratford.

00:08:36.900 And, you know, I could tell the kids that were struggling, the kids that weren't going to do well or not just do well, but not fulfill their potential were the ones who didn't have a father around.

00:08:49.120 It was just so obvious.

00:08:50.420 I mean, listen, we talk about girls who end up being hoarse and we say, oh, they didn't have a pops.

00:08:58.020 So what happens to guys who don't have a father either?

00:09:01.160 Like, you know, I'm sure it's the same type of mentality, right?

00:09:04.780 Like, you need a man, you need a strong man in your life, you need a strong woman in your life to have that balance, you know?

00:09:10.560 And I talk about my daddy issues all the time. 0.94

00:09:14.240 Like, one of my first breakthroughs in therapy where I'm boo-hoo crying was because I was saying to myself, damn, you know, my dad used to discipline me for things that he never taught me, right?

00:09:26.440 So how are you going to discipline your young teenage son for things that, for not knowing things or making mistakes when you had the opportunity to teach him, you know?

00:09:38.500 So that's why I don't think we do the next generation any favors by keeping secrets.

00:09:42.100 I don't think we, you know, do our kids any favors by keeping secrets.

00:09:45.720 And to your point, I don't respect no man who's not in his child's life.

00:09:50.800 Like, you can't treat children like, you know, you know, a candy wrapper.

00:09:55.540 Like, you eat the candy bar and just throw the wrapper and don't give the wrapper down. 1.00

00:09:58.980 You can't eat the pussy, put your dick in it, nut in it, she gets pregnant, have the baby, and you just disappear. 1.00

00:10:05.580 Like, who are you? 1.00

00:10:06.520 That was the thing that shocked me when I became a father just under three years ago now.

00:10:10.240 It's like, how any man can walk away from that and feel good about himself?

00:10:13.780 I don't, I don't, I can't, I'm not judging really, although maybe I am to some extent, but I just can't relate.

00:10:19.120 I don't get it.

00:10:20.020 Different level of sociopath.

00:10:21.740 You know, I don't want to diagnose nobody, but there's no way you watch your child come into this world.

00:10:26.920 I've watched all four of my beautiful daughters, about the same woman, by the way.

00:10:30.100 That's very important to say, my beautiful wife.

00:10:32.260 I've watched all of my daughters come into this world.

00:10:35.760 There's no way you watch that experience.

00:10:38.000 There's no way you hug your child.

00:10:39.700 There's no way you kiss your child, be around your child, watch your child's first steps, listen to your child's first word.

00:10:45.100 There's no way you experience that and walk away from it. 0.73

00:10:49.120 If you're not some type of like sociopath, like psychopath almost, like I don't, I don't understand it.

00:10:55.840 Because it's not only the damage as it does to you, but it's the damage to the kid, but the damage it does to society.

00:11:03.640 You just see, I saw the kids that I taught, the ones that were going into gangs were the ones who didn't have a dad around for two reasons.

00:11:11.860 Number one, because when a boy gets to a certain age, mom can't control them.

00:11:16.480 And number two, because you need a father like you had, like we had to go, don't do this.

00:11:22.060 You do this, this is what's going to happen.

00:11:23.760 That's right.

00:11:24.140 It's really just that simple.

00:11:25.560 You know, it's like the yin and the yang, right?

00:11:28.060 Like, you know, we talk about the sacred masculine and the divine feminine or the divine masculine and the sacred feminine.

00:11:34.940 You need both like we as human beings are made of two ingredients, male and female.

00:11:42.680 It took both of them to make us.

00:11:45.200 So imagine when you have the absence of one and you got to grow up as a young boy to a young man and then try to figure out how to be a man.

00:11:55.460 Like, it's just those little simple things that you miss, right?

00:11:58.620 And yeah, I feel like a lot of times, often even in my own personal life, I didn't have the father-son relationship that I would have loved to have with my dad.

00:12:08.380 Now, mind you, my dad is still alive.

00:12:10.700 But man, sometimes I get around my pops and I turn back to that little boy who just wants my daddy's approval and it makes me uncomfortable.

00:12:19.300 It just does.

00:12:19.920 Like, you know, because as you get older, what you're going to realize is that, you know, every day all you're doing is realizing it's a constant battle between your adult life and your inner child.

00:12:31.400 So it's things that happen to you in your adult life that you can trace directly back, you know, to your childhood.

00:12:38.800 So it's almost like you become the father to your five-year-old self, your 10-year-old self, your 15-year-old self, you know, your 20-year-old self, because that self, at least for me, didn't necessarily have my pops there the way that I wanted to.

00:12:54.000 But that's before a number of reasons.

00:12:55.100 My dad had his own issues.

00:12:56.420 And that's why I give him a lot of grace, because he tried, but he was busy battling his own issues.

00:13:02.580 He had his own substance abuse issues.

00:13:04.020 He had his own mental health issues.

00:13:05.000 I didn't find out about his mental health issues until 2018, you know, to 2018.

00:13:10.100 He told me that, you know, he'd been going to therapy.

00:13:12.540 He was going to therapy two and three times a week.

00:13:14.200 He was on 10 to 12 different medications for, you know, his mental health.

00:13:17.320 He tried to commit suicide 30 plus years ago.

00:13:19.680 I didn't know any of that.

00:13:21.420 But when I found that out, it allowed me to give him a lot of grace because I realized he was just a man trying to figure things out the way I'm a man just trying to figure things out.

00:13:30.920 Well said, man.

00:13:31.700 Well, anyway, enough of the sad stuff, right?

00:13:33.480 But you've had a great career.

00:13:35.900 How did that happen?

00:13:36.940 How did you get...

00:13:37.460 First of all, I love the UK, by the way, because y'all just get right to the punches. 0.99

00:13:40.680 Okay, enough of the sad shit, right? 1.00

00:13:42.700 Okay, goddammit. 1.00

00:13:43.940 Prime of your motherfucking rebel. 1.00

00:13:45.300 Okay, okay. 1.00

00:13:45.620 Your daddy wasn't in your life.

00:13:46.820 Whoop-dee-woo. 0.63

00:13:47.660 Right?

00:13:48.320 The daddy issues are not.

00:13:49.940 The daddy issues are not.

00:13:50.780 No, no.

00:13:51.580 You know what, man? 1.00

00:13:52.340 Just for the seriousness of it, I will say I really respect that you talk about this shit. 0.99

00:13:56.680 And I think especially if you're like a masculine man, it's looked down upon. 0.99

00:14:01.420 And the fact that you're bringing that up and we can talk about it, I think that's great.

00:14:04.620 Absolutely.

00:14:04.880 I think that's great.

00:14:05.400 But I also want to look at some of the success you've had.

00:14:09.080 You know, one of the things I find really cool about you is like, you know, Francis and I, we like to rub a few people up the wrong way and talk about difficult issues on our show.

00:14:17.080 And you've always had that in your career as well.

00:14:19.680 You know, you've been, I mean, cancelled, I don't know what it is, but like you've always had that attitude as well, right?

00:14:24.860 The prince of pissing people off.

00:14:26.660 That was my moniker.

00:14:27.780 You know what I did?

00:14:28.460 I call it the Eminem and Eight Mile Theory.

00:14:30.460 Like, you know, you own whatever it is people say about you. 1.00

00:14:33.140 So when people used to be like, goddammit, he's an asshole. 1.00

00:14:36.400 You know, oh my god, he makes me sick. 1.00

00:14:38.360 Yeah, I'm the ruler of rubbing you the wrong way.

00:14:40.380 You know, the prince of pissing people off.

00:14:42.340 The architect of aggravation.

00:14:43.620 You know?

00:14:44.460 And so there was a time I would purposely push buttons.

00:14:47.920 And, you know, I don't purposely push them now, but they still get pushed.

00:14:53.240 Yeah. 1.00

00:14:53.540 So maybe I am a natural asshole. 0.99

00:14:56.240 I don't strive to be pushed. 0.98

00:14:57.500 Well, that's not my read of you at all.

00:15:00.540 I think you probably rub people up the wrong way and push buttons by saying things that make them uncomfortable, but you think are true.

00:15:07.000 That's my read on it.

00:15:07.880 Yeah, and I'm just, like, not smart enough to, like, you know, navigate a room with big words.

00:15:15.500 You know how, like, you have these people that like to use these big 25-letter Shakespearean words because they think it makes them sound smarter?

00:15:22.900 English people.

00:15:23.920 Yeah.

00:15:24.340 For me, I just like to get right to the point.

00:15:26.280 And I think sometimes just getting right to the point comes off as harsh.

00:15:30.300 You know what?

00:15:31.940 I sometimes think the reason that people use those 25-letter words is not, is to make themselves look more intelligent, but also it's to actually disguise and hide what they're actually saying.

00:15:43.980 Because if you break down what they're actually saying and you take those big words out, you go, you're not actually saying anything of value here.

00:15:50.520 Exactly.

00:15:50.940 And I'm just not that smart.

00:15:52.400 Like, I'm just not, I don't know those words.

00:15:54.520 I know some of them.

00:15:55.880 So I would just rather ask you the question in my plain, basic terms.

00:16:02.420 That's it.

00:16:02.940 Well, one of the things I want to ask you in the current climate, obviously, things are very heated politically.

00:16:07.740 And the first time I saw, well, the recent thing of yours was Josh Shapiro, who I find a very interesting person on the left.

00:16:13.880 I like that guy a lot.

00:16:14.740 Interesting guy.

00:16:16.000 But where, are you political yourself?

00:16:18.460 Are you neutral?

00:16:19.160 Do you stay out of it?

00:16:19.980 Like, how do you, what do you see?

00:16:21.440 You know, I got a great friend.

00:16:23.240 You know, she's really big in America.

00:16:26.360 Her name is Nina Turner, former senator of Ohio.

00:16:29.940 You know, fantastic human being.

00:16:33.180 And she always says, you know, you don't have to do politics because politics is going to do you.

00:16:38.480 So, you know, you can sit around and, you know, ignore politics and say you're not a political person.

00:16:42.960 If you pay taxes, you're a political person.

00:16:44.740 If you live in a country where there's a democracy, you're a political person, whether you want to be or not.

00:16:51.300 Because, you know, the legislation that's passed, the things that that democracy is doing will impact you.

00:16:57.240 So, yes, yeah, I am a political person.

00:16:59.760 I'm a political person, number one, because I do really enjoy it.

00:17:02.880 You know, politics has become pop culture, you know, since Obama. 0.88

00:17:07.300 You know, well, actually, the 90s with Bill Clinton, when he was playing the saxophone on Arsenio Hall and getting blowjobs in the Oval Office. 0.91

00:17:14.820 Like, that was pop culture. 0.69

00:17:16.520 It's like, oh, those are references you hear on comedy shows and rap albums, all of that type of stuff.

00:17:21.120 But then Obama really became a superstar celebrity by doing the work, not because he was seeking it or, you know, wanting the attention.

00:17:29.280 He was just doing the work, first black president. 0.93

00:17:31.620 Then comes the actual executive producer of Celebrity Apprentice, a real life celebrity.

00:17:36.680 America's obsession with celebrity caused them to elect the executive producer of Celebrity Apprentice.

00:17:43.240 So, therefore, it really became, you know, pop culture.

00:17:46.520 And he's been the main star of politics since, you know, 2016.

00:17:51.040 So, I really do enjoy it.

00:17:52.580 I enjoy watching CNN and MSNBC and Fox News and, you know, watching the Young Turks on YouTube.

00:17:58.300 And, you know, I watch Jon Stewart's Daily Show and the Weekly Show.

00:18:02.200 I like watching the Native Land podcast.

00:18:04.060 All of these different places I go to get, you know, entertainment news.

00:18:07.280 I watch, I mean, political news.

00:18:09.100 I watch Candace Owens.

00:18:10.640 You know, I watch, you know, I'm blanking on the name right now.

00:18:16.720 TV, what's Patrick David?

00:18:18.340 Patrick Bette David.

00:18:19.420 Patrick Bette David.

00:18:20.200 You know, I watch all of that stuff because it's entertaining, you know.

00:18:23.660 And, you know, you do get informed.

00:18:26.140 And I like to watch all sides.

00:18:28.140 Like, I'm not just watching what's happening on the left.

00:18:30.160 I'm watching what's happening on the right.

00:18:31.740 I want to hear what everybody is talking about.

00:18:34.340 And where do you come out?

00:18:35.220 Are you happy about Trump being elected and the things he's doing?

00:18:38.260 How do you feel about it?

00:18:39.220 I mean, I'm not going to say I'm not happy.

00:18:41.200 I'm just indifferent because I didn't vote for Donald Trump.

00:18:43.920 You know, I voted for Vice President Kamala Harris.

00:18:46.240 But at the end of the day, I'm still an American.

00:18:47.960 So during campaign season, you know, everybody can say they're left, right.

00:18:52.420 I'm registered as an independent.

00:18:54.080 But, you know, everybody can say they're left.

00:18:55.720 Everybody can say they're right.

00:18:57.120 But when that person wins, we're all on the same team, which is Team America.

00:19:01.480 And so it's just like, yeah, I want what's best for the country.

00:19:05.460 I want, you know, to see who I want whoever's in that office to do right by American people,

00:19:10.940 to do right by working, working class people.

00:19:13.100 And right now I see a lot of working class people hurting.

00:19:15.240 You know, when I see what, you know, Doge is doing, you know, firing all of those federal

00:19:19.640 workers, man.

00:19:20.460 I was down in Maryland a few weeks ago for my daughter's cheerleading competition.

00:19:24.260 And the amount of people who were coming up to me telling me they either had lost their job

00:19:28.520 or they may lose their job, that hurts.

00:19:31.400 When you see people complaining about, you know, the high price of groceries,

00:19:35.080 the high price of, you know, you know, just any type of consumer good,

00:19:40.180 that hurts to hear, especially when he ran on the economy.

00:19:43.280 He literally said, you know, I ran and won by using one word, groceries.

00:19:48.900 That's what he said.

00:19:50.260 So if the price of groceries is sky high, you know, if inflation is high, you know,

00:19:55.080 if people are losing their jobs, if the economy is messed up, that's not good for us as a people

00:20:00.780 because working class people are hurting.

00:20:03.160 So I can't, no, that's not, that's not good for us right now.

00:20:05.740 And this is a thing that I don't understand.

00:20:08.040 And we've got the exact same problem in the UK, by the way.

00:20:10.480 And now, well, the three of us sitting around this table are very fortunate.

00:20:14.240 We're very fortunate and we're very lucky.

00:20:16.200 Absolutely.

00:20:16.440 But when you go into a supermarket, I just pick things up and I go, I don't understand how people are meant to afford this.

00:20:22.840 When I was a teacher, I was on very low wages.

00:20:26.960 I dread to think how I would have been able to not even live, just exist nowadays.

00:20:30.860 Yeah.

00:20:31.440 You know, I think about that all the time because my mother was an English teacher, right?

00:20:35.620 Growing up in Mountskins, South Carolina.

00:20:37.140 And I remember one time she told me the most she made in a year was $30,000.

00:20:41.680 She had five kids.

00:20:43.300 It was my older sister.

00:20:44.320 It was me, my two younger brothers and my younger sister.

00:20:46.920 We lived in a single wide trailer for a long time.

00:20:49.380 And like I said, my dad was a, my dad was a hardworking person.

00:20:52.100 But, you know, at times he wasn't there because he was, you know, battling his own substance abuse issues and stuff like that.

00:20:56.300 So I always wondered, like, man, how did we make it?

00:21:00.000 Because, you know, I didn't pay attention to the cost of grudge.

00:21:02.600 You know what I paid attention to?

00:21:03.660 Having $5 and being able to go in a food line in Mountskins, South Carolina and buying a 99 cent box of oatmeal cream pies.

00:21:11.220 And it was 12 in a box and buying a three liter freaking orange soda or grape soda for another 99 cents.

00:21:16.900 So plus tax, it was $1.04.

00:21:18.780 I remember being able to go to McDonald's and getting two cheeseburgers and a large fry for $2.99, which came out to like $3.14.

00:21:25.100 I remember when the tax increased on that.

00:21:28.380 And because at one point it was like $3.05 or something like that.

00:21:30.660 It went up $3.14.

00:21:32.140 I remember things like that.

00:21:33.960 So now when you see like the two cheeseburger meal cost $7, $8, you see the oatmeal cream pies might be $2 or $3 a box. 0.95

00:21:42.340 You're like, damn, times have really changed.

00:21:45.400 But I couldn't imagine having to go into a grocery store and having $30,000, making $30,000 a year in this environment and trying to feed five kids. 0.99

00:21:56.320 I couldn't even, I couldn't even fathom it.

00:21:59.160 And then when you factor in, rent has gone up.

00:22:01.560 Oh my God.

00:22:02.300 You know, the utility bills have gone up.

00:22:04.300 Oh my God.

00:22:04.660 And then you go, you know, no wonder people are angry.

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00:23:44.580 And then, you know, especially here in America, the criticism that was happening as far as like the border is concerned was super valid. 0.81

00:23:56.100 And I remember last January, you know, my activist friends in Chicago were telling me about the problems of the migrants coming into their city and causing problems in their neighborhoods. 1.00

00:24:10.920 And, you know, they were getting resources that people that were in these poor and disenfranchised communities for years weren't getting.

00:24:17.380 And, you know, I remember in New York City when they closed down the school for a day to let the migrants stay in the school. 1.00

00:24:23.540 And, you know, all of the parents from the school were calling like, yo, this is some bullshit. 0.97

00:24:27.400 Like our kids had to stay home and, you know, do homeschooling for the day just because they want to house these migrants. 1.00

00:24:33.640 You know, I know this guy.

00:24:34.860 I tell this story all the time because it's a true story.

00:24:37.960 There's a parking attendant I know in New York City and I parked my car there a lot and he came to me in tears.

00:24:45.260 I mean, crying to me, telling me how, you know, MS-13 had came through, was in his neighborhood and was raising holy hell. 0.99

00:24:53.860 And he was like, I know it's because of the fucking border. 0.99

00:24:55.440 They got to close the border. 1.00

00:24:56.540 They got to close the border.

00:24:57.080 He wanted me to come to his neighborhood to see, you know, what was going on.

00:25:01.000 And I remember, man, just going to the radio and having these conversations.

00:25:05.400 And I did an interview with Fox News and I told the guy at Fox News, you know, because he asked me, he said, what do you think about, you know, he said, you think the border is going to be a problem come November?

00:25:13.280 And I told him all those stories I just told you.

00:25:16.220 MSNBC ran the headline that said Charlemagne the God is spreading MAGA messaging.

00:25:21.660 I'm like, nobody I spoke to was MAGA.

00:25:24.140 These were black activists in Chicago.

00:25:26.280 These were black people calling from New York City.

00:25:28.220 This was a Spanish man across the street at the parking garage.

00:25:32.140 It wasn't even about none of them were talking about politics.

00:25:35.600 They were talking about being inconvenienced in their everyday lives.

00:25:40.860 That's it.

00:25:41.660 Nothing more for the left to ignore that for as long as they did.

00:25:46.120 That was a real, real, real grave miscalculation, man.

00:25:49.240 Even when, you know, the stimulus checks went out.

00:25:53.220 I remember arguing with some very, very well off people.

00:25:56.400 And they were, I remember one guy in particular, I'm not going to say his name, but I remember he said to me, man, if you can be moved by a $1,200 stimulus check, then I don't want to talk to them.

00:26:05.980 No way.

00:26:06.560 I said, you've been rich way too long.

00:26:08.660 You've been rich way too long and disconnected way too long. 0.99

00:26:12.380 Somebody will kill you for $1,200. 0.97

00:26:14.880 Literally, pull out $1,200 somewhere where there's some people that need that freaking money and watch what they do to you. 0.94

00:26:21.940 So it's like, yo, the fact that you just thought that that was nothing and you couldn't understand how that impacted people.

00:26:27.900 You know who did understand that?

00:26:29.480 Donald Trump.

00:26:30.540 That's why Donald Trump held those checks up and made sure his name was on them when they went out because he knew the type of impact that was going to have on everyday working class people.

00:26:39.380 And guess what? All his political calculations were right and all the left's political calculations were wrong.

00:26:44.980 And it's just that simple because a lot of times, you know, the left especially talks about people that they never talk to.

00:26:53.220 And I'm not no political expert.

00:26:55.760 I'm just a person that is out here with the people, talking to people from rural areas in South Carolina where I'm from to, you know, the hoods in Newark, you know, New Jersey to, you know, Harlem when I'm, you know, doing work with the food bank, whatever it is.

00:27:10.200 On the radio every day, the Breakfast Club, Alice Randall said this.

00:27:14.260 She said the Breakfast Club is America's front porch.

00:27:16.740 And I sit on that front porch every day with my co-host and we talk to everyday working class people and they tell us what's going on.

00:27:27.300 And that's where I think the disconnect is with a lot of elected officials in our country.

00:27:31.460 There's so many interesting things you said there.

00:27:33.080 One of them, it seems a bit of a contradiction because you were saying that Trump had got everything right, but you voted for Vice President Harris.

00:27:40.280 So what was your thinking behind that?

00:27:41.840 Oh, it's a difference between what I think a person is actually going to do when they get in the White House and what a person does to win an election.

00:27:50.700 When it comes to what he was doing to win an election, he got every political calculation right.

00:27:56.020 And the left was getting every political calculation wrong.

00:27:59.100 The left was focusing on is the left was focusing on minors.

00:28:03.480 Republicans were focusing on the majors.

00:28:05.220 Now, you know, Project 2025 is real and it was right there laid out for people and he didn't hide anything.

00:28:10.740 He told you exactly what he was going to do, but he was still speaking to people's dinner table issues.

00:28:15.640 He was speaking to the basics, security and money, economy and security, whatever way you want to flip it.

00:28:23.240 I say it all the time.

00:28:24.360 If you are a human being on this planet, there's two things you want.

00:28:28.660 You want to be financially stable and you want to be safe.

00:28:31.660 That's it.

00:28:33.200 Whoever can make you believe they're going to keep some money in your pocket and keep you safe.

00:28:39.580 That's who you're going to rock with.

00:28:41.280 That's what we all want.

00:28:42.600 That's what we call security, financial security, you know, physical security, whatever it is.

00:28:48.680 You want money in your pocket and you want to feel safe.

00:28:51.880 Whoever can make you feel like they're going to do those two things for you will win every election.

00:28:56.700 That's really interesting.

00:28:57.480 And the other point you made I was going to sort of double click on as well is really interesting about the MAGA messaging.

00:29:02.880 And this is the thing that for us in Britain, watching American politics from the outside, like every time a black person says anything that's outside the democratic messaging, it's like they're trying to take that black card away straight away. 0.98

00:29:15.920 Like, what's that about? 0.92

00:29:17.960 You ain't black, Joe Biden said, like Don Lemon was on Bill Maher's show the other day. 0.99

00:29:22.440 It's silly. And it actually exists on both sides because you'll have conservatives that are black and MAGA who will tell the liberals they're stuck on the Democratic plantation. 0.97

00:29:33.120 And then you have the black liberals who will tell black MAGA y'all a bunch of and y'all a bunch of Uncle Toms. 0.92

00:29:39.640 So it's literally on both sides. 0.96

00:29:42.200 And I'm like, man, for me, if you're black in America, you shouldn't be beholden to any political party. 0.50

00:29:47.060 Right.

00:29:47.420 Because neither one of these political parties have really delivered for us.

00:29:51.380 Period.

00:29:52.040 Like, you know, like that's just how that's just always been my thought process.

00:29:56.380 Like neither one of these parties have delivered for us.

00:29:59.760 Whenever you get to the point where you're having debates on whether or not you're voting for the lesser or two evils or you're voting for the person who's going to do the least harm.

00:30:09.120 And you're in a bad situation because you're saying both of them are going to hurt me.

00:30:13.340 But let me pick the person who's going to do the least harm to me.

00:30:16.540 That's like pretty insane when you think about it.

00:30:19.860 Like, why are we stuck with these two choices?

00:30:22.140 And I think right now what you saw, at least in this last election, was a backlash to people saying I'm good with either.

00:30:29.640 I mean, I don't care either way. 0.98

00:30:31.700 I was saying for a whole year, this election was going to come down to the Democrats who are the cowards. 0.98

00:30:37.480 They don't fight hard for nothing. 0.98

00:30:39.080 Still, still don't. 0.60

00:30:40.440 Even right now, the Republicans who are the crooks, because they're going to tell you everything you want to hear to get in position to rob you blind.

00:30:48.120 And then you got the couch.

00:30:49.840 And I think the couch, you know, won a lot this election.

00:30:54.220 I think a lot of people just simply stayed home.

00:30:56.860 When have you ever seen a Republican in America, when's the last time you saw a Republican in America win the popular vote?

00:31:02.880 He didn't win the popular vote by like some enormous amount.

00:31:06.380 I think it was like 2,000 votes or something that separated them.

00:31:09.740 I can't remember the exact number.

00:31:11.140 But it was small.

00:31:11.740 It was very, very small.

00:31:12.900 It wasn't this huge mandate by the American people like, you know, like the Republicans like to make it out to be.

00:31:18.440 So that just lets me know that there's a lot of people who are just unhappy with what's going on in America.

00:31:23.980 And it's going to be very interesting to see what happens in the midterms.

00:31:26.860 If we have a midterm, I got a feeling that they might call the midterms off.

00:31:31.200 I really do.

00:31:32.600 Why do you say that?

00:31:33.640 I just feel like, you know, I can see them saying, hey, man, we've uncovered, you know, massive voter fraud, you know, from the past or massive voter fraud from the last election.

00:31:44.840 The elections, you know, aren't we're not we're not a stable enough.

00:31:48.760 We don't have a stable enough.

00:31:51.280 We don't have a stable enough democracy right now to be able to, you know, have the election. 0.99

00:31:55.840 I just really feel like I don't know what he's going to say because he says a lot of wild shit. 0.98

00:31:59.900 I just feel like he's going to say something that's going to be revolving around the elections and elections being fraudulent. 0.98

00:32:07.680 And he's going to be like, we're not having the midterms right now. 0.99

00:32:09.860 I can see some shit like that happening. 0.99

00:32:11.360 I really can. 0.99

00:32:12.240 And in 2028, I saw Steve Bannon say today, I'm looking forward to Donald Trump running for a third term.

00:32:17.060 He said it to you like I think he was interviewing with a I forgot who he was interviewing.

00:32:22.360 Chris Cuomo.

00:32:22.640 Chris Cuomo.

00:32:23.180 And Chris Cuomo goes.

00:32:25.420 But, you know, there's term limits.

00:32:26.880 He said, yeah, we're working on that. 0.99

00:32:29.760 So do you think that's legit or do you think that's Bannon talking shit? 0.98

00:32:33.480 Why do we have any reason to think it's not legit? 0.98

00:32:36.520 Yeah.

00:32:36.860 I have no reason to believe it's not legit. 0.98

00:32:39.220 And you know what's even stupider? 0.76

00:32:41.020 There's already people. 0.99

00:32:42.000 People talk right now like Donald Trump is still campaigning.

00:32:46.640 People talk like when you hear people talk about him, they talk like he's still on the campaign trail.

00:32:51.380 No, he's in the White House already.

00:32:54.540 He's in there and he's doing, you know, whatever it is that he wants to do.

00:32:59.640 Focus.

00:33:00.040 People are focused on the midterm.

00:33:01.520 People are focused on, you know, the 2028 election.

00:33:05.020 But they're talking like they're going to run against Trump again in 2028. 1.00

00:33:08.500 You idiots. 1.00

00:33:09.360 If Donald Trump runs for a third term, the fight is already fixed. 1.00

00:33:13.860 If Donald Trump runs again in 2028, we don't have a democracy anymore.

00:33:19.200 So why are we talking like you're going to run against him in 2028?

00:33:22.380 It's mind boggling to me what's happening. 1.00

00:33:25.240 Do you think part of this is like I think what Trump did is because he says so much crazy shit, 0.99

00:33:31.240 we almost stopped taking things seriously that are being said. 0.99

00:33:34.760 We've been to that.

00:33:35.560 That was since 2018.

00:33:37.100 Right.

00:33:37.320 So now when someone like Steve Bannon says that, people don't take it sufficiently seriously

00:33:43.200 is what I'm hearing from you.

00:33:44.240 I think people are fatigued and they don't even know what they can do because that's not

00:33:47.480 our job to stop.

00:33:48.700 Right.

00:33:49.080 Because they told us that if we just go out there and vote in 2020, then we could stop

00:33:53.980 fascism.

00:33:55.980 Hmm.

00:33:56.400 Hmm.

00:33:56.640 In 2020, President Biden won the election.

00:33:59.260 Hmm.

00:34:00.100 Didn't stop anything.

00:34:01.640 Didn't stop the fascism, did it?

00:34:04.920 Didn't stop, you know, Donald Trump from, you know, getting back in the White House.

00:34:08.220 Didn't stop what's happening.

00:34:09.320 We're literally watching things happen right now that shouldn't happen.

00:34:12.560 Like.

00:34:13.100 What do you mean by that?

00:34:14.440 Doge.

00:34:15.520 Like, doge should not be happening the way that is happening.

00:34:18.460 You have a guy who's not an elected official, you know, literally telling the government

00:34:24.320 how they can spend their money.

00:34:26.920 Like, he doesn't have the authority to go in there and make these cuts that he's making.

00:34:30.500 I want everybody to go back and watch.

00:34:32.680 When I go back and watch, go back and research the National Partnership for Reinventing Government

00:34:37.760 that Bill Clinton had in the 90s.

00:34:40.520 What Doge is trying to do, Bill Clinton actually did it and he did it the right way.

00:34:45.040 He had Al Gore, who was an elected official, running it.

00:34:48.720 He actually worked with federal workers and civil servants on where the cuts needed to be.

00:34:55.420 Like, and they were surgical with it.

00:34:57.060 Like, they didn't jump in and do it within days.

00:34:59.480 It took them months to make those cuts.

00:35:01.780 And then when they did make those cuts, they did it with Congress.

00:35:06.160 Elon Musk is not doing any of that.

00:35:07.760 But he has the authority from the president, but doesn't have the authority, you know,

00:35:11.660 through Congress to do what he's doing.

00:35:13.000 So if you're bypassing Congress, does that sound like democracy?

00:35:15.780 Does that sound constitutional?

00:35:17.400 Does that sound lawful?

00:35:18.780 And do you feel like he's cutting the wrong things?

00:35:21.580 Clearly.

00:35:23.980 Clearly.

00:35:24.920 If you're cutting things and then realizing, oh, we got to bring these people back

00:35:31.040 because we actually need, you know, these guys that were working at the USDA,

00:35:35.960 you know, you know, covering the bird flu, you know, these people that were working at

00:35:40.560 these nuclear, you know, power plants, like, if we fired them and can't even hire them back

00:35:45.400 because we don't even have their emails anymore, you are showing us that you're cutting the wrong

00:35:51.600 things.

00:35:52.020 Like, that's obvious.

00:35:53.480 So, you sound worried.

00:35:58.080 Hakuna Matata.

00:36:00.320 I'm sorry, Hakuna Matata.

00:36:02.120 I mean, yeah, you're always concerned, but to my point that I made a little while ago,

00:36:06.980 what can we do?

00:36:08.480 Like, we did, I did what I was supposed to do in 2020.

00:36:13.380 That didn't stop anything.

00:36:14.860 Like, it's like voters all, one thing that I always hate about Democrats so much is that

00:36:19.820 they create this sense of urgency in voters, but then when they get in the White House,

00:36:25.880 they don't govern with that same sense of urgency.

00:36:29.040 And that's why we're in this situation that we're in now.

00:36:31.640 So, it's even kind of hard to believe anything that they say now in regards to, you know,

00:36:39.000 threat to democracy, fascism.

00:36:40.360 Like, I would never believe that from them ever.

00:36:41.920 I shouldn't have believed it this time, but I would never believe them ever again.

00:36:45.100 But I said it over and over and over during the campaign season.

00:36:49.040 You have, you know, an administration that could get into the White House that actually

00:36:54.780 is all of these things that y'all have been saying, all of these other Republican,

00:36:58.660 you know, candidates have been for years.

00:37:02.260 Like, they love to use those terms, threat to democracy, you know, fascists.

00:37:06.100 This was like the first time I heard that thrown around a lot.

00:37:08.520 But you never governed with that type of sense of urgency.

00:37:13.300 And you never, you know, tried to stop what was happening or potentially going to happen

00:37:19.320 with that type of urgency.

00:37:21.760 So, you told us this, didn't fight like it.

00:37:25.100 But now he's back in the White House and all of that talk went away.

00:37:30.080 You saw President Obama chummy chummy with him at, you know, the Jimmy Carter's funeral.

00:37:35.280 You saw Joe Biden literally say, welcome home to the White House. 0.99

00:37:39.400 Well, I'm like, well, goddamn, who welcomes Hitler? 0.98

00:37:42.120 And I'm putting Hitler in quotation marks. 0.99

00:37:43.320 Who welcomes Hitler home? 0.95

00:37:44.820 Yeah.

00:37:45.100 You know what I mean?

00:37:46.080 So, it's just like, why would you ever believe anything that, you know, they say in the future?

00:37:52.260 And what's interesting is you're making some really valid points that a lot of people in

00:37:55.620 America will agree with. 1.00

00:37:57.060 And yet, the Democratic brand is toxic as fuck. 1.00

00:37:59.960 It's disgusting. 1.00

00:38:00.860 And that's why, you know, you asked me about Governor Josh Shapiro earlier. 0.63

00:38:04.100 Governor Josh Shapiro is great.

00:38:05.520 You know, I think that he'd be a phenomenal candidate for 2028 if we have an actual free and

00:38:11.980 fair election, you know. 0.97

00:38:13.080 But the Democratic brand is so bad that it even makes the good candidates suck. 0.98

00:38:19.860 And why is it bad? 0.96

00:38:21.040 Why has it got as bad as it has? 1.00

00:38:22.520 Because they're losers. 0.99

00:38:24.420 It's just that simple. 1.00

00:38:26.080 They're losers. 1.00

00:38:27.000 They've lost. 1.00

00:38:27.820 Like, they lost.

00:38:28.520 And they didn't just lose an election.

00:38:30.620 They lost the people.

00:38:32.340 They lost broad swaths of their base, you know, whether it's Latinos, whether it's, you

00:38:38.900 know, black people.

00:38:39.760 Like, you know, they lost a large part of their base, even white women. 1.00

00:38:44.880 It's just like, yo, they lost a large part of their base because nobody's buying what

00:38:49.640 it is that they're selling.

00:38:51.360 And I think a number of one of the biggest reasons for that is simply because they don't

00:38:56.100 understand what's going on with everyday working class people.

00:38:59.100 I think it's a party that got really bougie. 0.84

00:39:02.380 It got really elitist.

00:39:04.520 You know, you had a lot of liberals who were making a lot of money, especially, you know,

00:39:09.740 a lot of liberals of color.

00:39:11.400 You know, sometimes when you're in that, when you're on the hill, you forget what's going

00:39:15.380 on in the hood.

00:39:16.140 You stay stuck in that bubble of the hill.

00:39:18.580 And you and your people are talking and y'all have a language and y'all have a understanding

00:39:24.160 and y'all might be making money.

00:39:25.780 But when the last time you went and talked to some folks in the hood to see what's really,

00:39:29.500 really going on?

00:39:30.840 Even when Joe Biden makes that comment, you know, if you don't vote for me, you ain't

00:39:33.700 black. 0.81

00:39:34.100 He got that from the black people he was around. 0.97

00:39:36.500 He didn't make that up. 0.94

00:39:37.780 Like, he's not a freestyler.

00:39:39.740 Like, he couldn't come up with no bars like that off the top of his head. 0.95

00:39:43.080 Like, somebody, he heard that said to him by, I guarantee you, the black people who 0.90

00:39:48.220 was around him. 0.64

00:39:49.260 And, you know, old grandpa, you don't vote for me. 0.93

00:39:52.100 If you don't know how to vote for me or Trump, you ain't black. 1.00

00:39:54.160 He thought he was cool when he said that because of the people that he was around at the time.

00:39:59.580 So it's just like, man, you got to just plug in with, you know, people who are actually

00:40:03.460 connected to what's going on on the ground.

00:40:06.160 It's a profound point because I remember when they started using the term Latinx.

00:40:11.380 And my mom's Venezuelan, I remember saying to her, mama, how does it feel like to be

00:40:17.420 Latinx? 0.67

00:40:18.360 And she went, que coño es Latinx? 1.00

00:40:20.660 But let me get the fuck out of here. 1.00

00:40:21.820 Yeah, basically, what the hell is Latinx? 0.99

00:40:23.800 And it's just, if you, they'd seen, there were times where it seemed like they were doing

00:40:30.620 it on purpose to alienate people.

00:40:33.400 You know that people aren't worried about that.

00:40:36.180 No Latino in the history of the universe has ever been worried, apart from about four, 0.99

00:40:42.640 about the trans issue.

00:40:44.280 Because they've got bigger things to worry about.

00:40:46.460 Man, you know, I ended up in a, me and my co-host DJ Envy, we ended up in a commercial

00:40:52.060 for Donald Trump that they said was like the most impactful commercial of his campaign.

00:40:57.500 Because I'm sitting at home watching football and I see this commercial that says Vice President

00:41:04.860 Kamala Harris is for transgender, for transgender inmates receiving surgeries.

00:41:12.020 And it was like, this is what your taxpayer dollars are going to. 1.00

00:41:14.720 I remember perking up like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:41:19.240 And I'm a supporter. 0.99

00:41:21.040 Like, not only do I support her, I consider her a friend. 1.00

00:41:22.980 And I'm like, I don't want my taxpayer dollars going to that shit. 0.99

00:41:26.000 Like, that's literally what my mind said. 1.00

00:41:27.620 I'm like, what?

00:41:28.200 And you heard her say it.

00:41:30.200 I'm sure it was, you know, taken out of context.

00:41:32.460 But she said it at, you know, on the commercial.

00:41:35.460 And so I said it on the air the next day.

00:41:36.920 I was like, yo, did y'all see that commercial that ran during the football game?

00:41:39.780 I was like, I don't know if it was the backdrop of football.

00:41:42.680 If that was on during a reality show or something, I probably wouldn't have paid no attention.

00:41:46.380 But, you know, you're watching football and you see Kamala Harris wants to use your taxpayer dollars 1.00

00:41:50.280 for transgender, you know, inmate surgeries.

00:41:53.520 I guess.

00:41:54.400 Huh?

00:41:55.140 Like, nah.

00:41:56.380 And so he used that in a campaign.

00:42:00.880 So to the point, if they hadn't been focusing on a minor issue like that, that commercial

00:42:08.620 would have never been done.

00:42:10.040 And I would have never had been able to state that.

00:42:12.960 And here's the thing.

00:42:14.660 I believe in everybody's right to exist.

00:42:16.840 Everybody.

00:42:17.720 Transgender.

00:42:18.160 I believe in your right to exist.

00:42:21.040 Right?

00:42:21.420 Believe in your right to exist.

00:42:23.940 But if you really want to help those people and you know this isn't a winning political

00:42:28.520 strategy, how about just get in the White House and help those people?

00:42:33.340 Campaign on the big, broad issues.

00:42:35.460 And then when you get in the White House, then you help those issues.

00:42:40.180 Because it's a small, small, small community.

00:42:41.980 You know it can't impact you when it comes to who votes for you in a real, real, real way.

00:42:47.500 It's like, that's not a large number of voters.

00:42:49.360 So just get in the White House on the big issues and then help them on the side.

00:42:53.660 I don't know why that's a hard concept for them to understand.

00:42:56.580 I really don't.

00:42:57.040 I think it's because it's not that they don't understand.

00:42:58.660 I think you hit the nail on the head when you said a lot of it is people who are very

00:43:02.540 isolated in their world. 1.00

00:43:03.900 And this is the shit that they talk about. 1.00

00:43:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:43:06.260 And social media.

00:43:07.540 And social media.

00:43:08.440 Right?

00:43:08.560 But they don't, you know, if you're not concerned about your finances, if you're financially

00:43:12.820 secure, if you're physically in a gated community, whatever, then this is a kind of intellectual 0.96

00:43:17.100 bullshit that you can spend your time on. 0.97

00:43:19.380 Right? 1.00

00:43:19.760 And so a lot of it seemed to me, at least from the outside, like almost like what they

00:43:23.920 call virtue signaling, where you talk about it so that people think you're a good person.

00:43:28.300 But actually what they're doing in the process is alienating most people who don't care about

00:43:32.380 it.

00:43:32.500 I remember when President Biden said, the trans rights issue is the greatest civil rights

00:43:38.960 issue of our generation.

00:43:42.780 What?

00:43:43.340 Like the great, like he tweeted this, he said it, the trans rights issue is the, I'm

00:43:52.820 black.

00:43:53.500 Y'all ain't figured us out yet. 0.65

00:43:55.020 You know what I mean?

00:43:55.680 How is it the greatest civil rights issue of a generation?

00:43:59.000 But it's stuff like that that makes regular everyday working class people feel like they

00:44:03.300 don't even know what the hell is going on.

00:44:05.040 Once again, I believe in everybody's right to exist, but you've got to be smart when it

00:44:09.880 comes to politically, politics and just political strategy.

00:44:12.820 I remember the Latinx thing.

00:44:14.380 I remember seeing that and immediately hearing the backlash from Latinos.

00:44:19.700 So I'm like, well, who came up with this?

00:44:21.500 Who was in a room brainstorming this and was like Latinx? 1.00

00:44:27.920 I still to this day don't even know what that shit means. 0.99

00:44:30.700 I don't even know what Latin, I don't, I don't even know what that was supposed to even represent. 0.99

00:44:34.580 But, you know, it kind of reminds me of like sometimes in, in media, you know, I've been

00:44:40.740 in rooms and especially in radio and, you know, you'll have a consultant be like, so what

00:44:47.880 is a 23-year-old white girl, a 23-year-old black girl from, you know, Broadway, New Jersey?

00:44:55.900 What are they into?

00:44:57.760 And you look around the room and it's me, a black man, and it's my guy, DJ Envy, who's

00:45:03.000 a 40-something-year-old black man.

00:45:04.540 And, you know, at the time, you know, my, my, my, my other co-host, Angela Yee, she's

00:45:08.680 a, you know, 40-something-year-old Asian and black woman. 0.99

00:45:12.040 I'm like, well, where's the 23-year-old?

00:45:13.360 Like, go get a 23-year-old black woman. 1.00

00:45:16.020 Go get a bunch of 23-year-old black women from Jersey and ask them what they're into. 1.00

00:45:20.380 Why are you asking us?

00:45:21.440 And I think that happens in a lot of rooms quite often.

00:45:25.000 People sit around and try to determine what they think certain groups are into.

00:45:29.140 And nowadays, when you can just pull out your phone and go on social media and ask ChatGPT,

00:45:34.300 you're getting a lot of this from online.

00:45:36.680 That's who you're crowdsourcing.

00:45:38.420 And I don't think social media will ever beat just going out and being in the streets.

00:45:42.940 All right, then.

00:45:43.500 Well, you said, you know, wise people learn from other people's mistakes. 1.00

00:45:46.340 Dumb people learn from their own. 0.98

00:45:47.940 Are Democrats at least learning from their own? 1.00

00:45:49.780 You're well-connected.

00:45:50.560 You talk to people.

00:45:51.160 No?

00:45:51.680 No.

00:45:52.520 Not in any way, shape, or form.

00:45:55.040 And it's actually sad.

00:45:56.080 Like, right now, you know, some of my favorite voices that are actually in the Democratic Party

00:45:59.680 who are actually elected officials are people like Jasmine Crockett, you know, people like AOC. 0.80

00:46:05.160 Those are folks that the whole party should be listening to.

00:46:10.180 The Chuck Schumers, the Hakeem Jeffries, those guys who are in Democratic leadership,

00:46:14.640 they need to get all the way out the way.

00:46:16.060 They should actually resign.

00:46:17.340 And I think that any Democrat who isn't out there actually fighting on behalf of the people

00:46:24.220 or actually trying to, you know, resist what is happening in the White House in a real way,

00:46:31.540 I think that, you know, those people should be primaried.

00:46:34.260 I really do.

00:46:35.780 Because if not, stop lying to us.

00:46:38.160 Like, when Chuck Schumer says things like, oh, that, that, that, that, uh,

00:46:42.960 the Donald Trump's bill is the worst bill and it's going to hurt the American people

00:46:48.980 and, you know, we're not going to, you know, we're not going to vote for this.

00:46:53.560 But then a day later, you're like, you're going to vote for it because, you know,

00:46:56.760 it's going to, it's going to protect America.

00:46:59.660 And, you know, America, America, you know, would be way worse if we didn't sign it

00:47:03.960 and the government shut down.

00:47:05.140 It's like, yo, you can't tell me something that's so terrible,

00:47:08.660 but you're willing to support it anyway.

00:47:10.560 At least try to negotiate.

00:47:12.940 I don't, there's no negotiation.

00:47:14.460 You just, you know, bent to what, what, what it is, um, you know,

00:47:19.140 the Trump administration had in that bill.

00:47:21.100 And that is very confusing to me as an American citizen.

00:47:24.520 That is very confusing to me as a person who's voted for the Democratic Party

00:47:28.880 in every election since, you know, 2008.

00:47:31.520 That is very confusing to me because what I really think is,

00:47:35.040 you like the bill, Chuck Schumer, you're just scared to say it. 0.99

00:47:37.840 You're just too much of a, too much of a coward to say, 0.95

00:47:40.200 you know what, I actually like this bill. 1.00

00:47:42.000 I'm going to support it.

00:47:42.980 That's what I personally think.

00:47:45.380 I would respect that more than, this bill is so terrible.

00:47:48.660 Oh my God, it's going to hurt American people.

00:47:50.640 But you know what?

00:47:51.820 I got to sign it anyway because the alternative is worse.

00:47:55.060 Once again, putting us in a situation

00:47:56.960 where I got to figure out what is going to cause me the least harm.

00:48:00.740 Why is it always like that for people, for Democrats?

00:48:03.920 Why are the Democrats, uh, all, their strategy is always,

00:48:06.960 whatever causes the least harm.

00:48:08.860 Why do we always constantly got to have that as the options?

00:48:11.900 It seems to me the problem with the Democrat Party, Charlemagne,

00:48:14.540 is very much like the Labor Party in our country,

00:48:16.980 where you've got only regular people like yourselves,

00:48:20.960 who have, whose interest is in making the lives of ordinary people better.

00:48:25.480 And then you've got this fringe element

00:48:27.700 who you want to talk about transgender rabbits or whatever it is.

00:48:32.360 You know, and making... 0.53

00:48:33.700 Rabbits who identify as bunnies.

00:48:34.760 Yeah, rabbits who identify as bunnies and whether that is acceptable.

00:48:37.820 And we need to have a debate about the language,

00:48:40.120 about how we address bunnies.

00:48:41.960 And you're there going,

00:48:42.920 mate, people can't afford to pay their electricity bill.

00:48:45.220 What are we doing?

00:48:46.240 But they're the ones in charge.

00:48:47.940 That's right.

00:48:48.380 Listen, man, I'm a cheer dad.

00:48:51.100 So, you know, we go on these cheerleading competitions

00:48:53.140 and we go to these different cities and it's different parents there with their kids.

00:48:56.720 And it's always, always diverse groups.

00:48:59.340 Always.

00:49:00.160 Black people, white people, Asian people, Indians, Jewish people.

00:49:03.360 You know, it's super diverse.

00:49:05.240 Spanish people, Latinos.

00:49:07.000 And we're...

00:49:07.760 I remember one time we were sitting at dinner

00:49:09.460 because, you know, it was...

00:49:10.520 The kids were having a team dinner, team bonding dinner.

00:49:13.380 So they were over here and all the parents were at the dough table.

00:49:16.040 We're drinking our wine, drinking our tequila,

00:49:18.040 having a conversation.

00:49:18.920 And I just remember the trans issue came up

00:49:24.460 and it started with a conversation about furries. 0.99

00:49:28.200 And somebody was like, what the fuck are furries? 0.99

00:49:29.440 Furries. 0.99

00:49:30.660 Like, oh, furries are kids that identify as cats.

00:49:34.220 And it was like a split second pause. 1.00

00:49:36.960 And it was just like, okay, this shit is going too far. 1.00

00:49:39.660 And then the women set it off. 1.00

00:49:41.940 Like, god damn it, about time somebody said... 0.99

00:49:43.680 And then we had a whole conversation 0.99

00:49:45.940 about how all of that stuff is just ridiculous

00:49:49.060 to be having those type of conversations in our schools.

00:49:53.520 You know, those type of conversations in politics.

00:49:56.180 Like, we care about how we're going to keep food on our table

00:49:59.340 and roofs over our head.

00:50:00.660 Like, what a luxury it is.

00:50:02.400 So why aren't the Democrats...

00:50:04.020 Like, they listen to people like you.

00:50:05.340 Why aren't they hearing that message?

00:50:07.680 Why aren't they making the adjustment?

00:50:09.820 You know what's so funny?

00:50:11.320 Okay.

00:50:11.600 Last year, and this is why I look at all of them right now, 1.00

00:50:15.040 and I'm like, y'all are all so full of shit. 1.00

00:50:16.900 Last year, I'm public enemy number one amongst liberals, right? 1.00

00:50:20.180 And I'm the black person on a platform

00:50:23.600 that people always said was super left-leaning

00:50:26.760 when really, I'm just a curious person.

00:50:28.800 I'm willing to talk to both sides.

00:50:30.580 I'm willing to hear good ideas from anybody

00:50:32.400 as long as it's a good idea.

00:50:34.180 So I guess they felt like, yo, this is...

00:50:37.500 That's ours in a way, you know, which we are.

00:50:40.340 I always say, where do people show?

00:50:42.620 But when you just start being objective 0.99

00:50:46.080 and calling things, you know, for the bullshit that it is, 0.99

00:50:50.980 the way I feel like I've always done, 0.98

00:50:53.440 now all of a sudden, since I'm not using your talking points

00:50:56.420 and all of a sudden, now that I'm not, you know,

00:50:58.900 speaking the language that you want me to speak,

00:51:01.160 now all of a sudden, I'm MAGA.

00:51:03.640 But man, now that the election's over,

00:51:07.100 I hear a lot of talking points that I've been saying myself

00:51:10.380 for the last two or three years.

00:51:12.160 Like, I've been... 0.98

00:51:12.800 I'm like, damn, I've been saying that. 0.98

00:51:14.600 I've been saying that about Democrats. 0.99

00:51:16.380 Like, oh, y'all just realizing Democrats' messaging sucks? 0.93

00:51:19.420 Oh, y'all just realizing that the language of politics is dead? 0.97

00:51:22.800 Like, really?

00:51:23.460 Oh, oh, oh, now y'all want to have conversations

00:51:25.840 about how President Biden should have stepped down.

00:51:28.240 I remember when I said that on The Daily Show,

00:51:30.880 December of 2023, it was, like, off with his head.

00:51:34.740 Like, I remember there was a young lady,

00:51:36.900 she was on MSNBC with my homie Stephanie Rue. 0.93

00:51:41.160 I can't remember the young lady's name.

00:51:42.800 She's a professor somewhere.

00:51:45.100 And Stephanie Rue just literally just bought me

00:51:48.040 and Killer Mike up.

00:51:49.180 Like, she was...

00:51:49.700 They were talking about Trump's shoe, Trump's sneaker.

00:51:53.040 And Steph goes,

00:51:54.880 so why don't guys like Charlemagne and Killer Mike,

00:51:56.960 before she could finish her sentence,

00:52:00.280 the woman was like, 1.00

00:52:01.140 because they need to read a book.

00:52:02.860 Both of them are Russian agents.

00:52:04.500 They're spreading Russian propaganda.

00:52:07.020 I'm like, huh?

00:52:08.920 I'm literally watching...

00:52:10.300 Can I watch all of these shows?

00:52:11.340 I'm watching it like, 1.00

00:52:12.460 why the fuck... 1.00

00:52:13.220 What is she talking about? 1.00

00:52:14.900 But that is how they were doing us back then.

00:52:18.280 We were just ahead of the curve.

00:52:20.920 Like, you know, I'm hearing people say things now,

00:52:23.020 like, you know,

00:52:23.800 we got to hold Democrats' feet to the fire

00:52:26.740 and, you know,

00:52:27.860 they can't just take us for granted anymore.

00:52:30.220 And, you know,

00:52:30.620 they got to know that they,

00:52:32.640 you know,

00:52:32.980 our votes matter

00:52:33.900 and we're just not going to be beholden to them

00:52:36.060 for no reason.

00:52:37.300 You know, people have been saying that

00:52:38.140 for the last 10 years.

00:52:39.920 Like, Candace Owens had the whole Blexit movement. 1.00

00:52:41.660 That's what that was about.

00:52:42.620 Like, you know what I'm saying?

00:52:44.020 Like, and not just Candace,

00:52:45.560 there was people on the left

00:52:46.760 that were saying that over the last decade.

00:52:48.900 Why are y'all just coming to that conclusion now,

00:52:51.780 way after the fact?

00:52:53.420 If y'all would have had this honest conversation

00:52:55.340 two years ago,

00:52:56.360 three years ago,

00:52:57.000 four years ago,

00:52:57.920 we might have put the party in a better place.

00:53:00.260 Charlemagne,

00:53:01.260 let's cut to the quick here.

00:53:03.520 That seems to me a pretty racist attitude by the Dems.

00:53:07.060 To look at somebody through the color of their skin

00:53:09.160 and go,

00:53:09.900 you're going to vote this way,

00:53:11.320 you're going to think this way.

00:53:12.800 And if you don't,

00:53:14.680 I'm probably going to hold racial epithets at you. 0.87

00:53:17.120 Isn't that just racism?

00:53:18.280 Can we just call it what it is?

00:53:19.340 It's the 46th president of the United States of America

00:53:22.680 told me that if I don't vote for him or Donald Trump,

00:53:26.220 then I ain't black.

00:53:27.500 I don't know if you would call it racist,

00:53:29.540 but it's definitely something,

00:53:31.580 it's racial.

00:53:32.500 It's definitely,

00:53:33.240 it's definitely a entitlement.

00:53:35.960 Black people are supposed to support us.

00:53:37.900 We are the party that, 0.61

00:53:39.240 you know,

00:53:39.780 gave them civil rights in the sixties.

00:53:41.660 You know,

00:53:41.940 we're the party that granted them the right to vote.

00:53:44.180 Like they're supposed to support us.

00:53:47.280 And it's like,

00:53:48.420 they can't understand that this is a very,

00:53:50.760 what have you done for me lately?

00:53:52.620 You know?

00:53:53.260 Yeah.

00:53:53.500 Okay.

00:53:54.200 By the way,

00:53:54.720 you didn't give us the first black president.

00:53:57.140 America went out there and voted for the first black president.

00:54:00.280 I hate when they use that.

00:54:01.280 Like,

00:54:01.360 we gave them y'all the first black president and the first black woman on the

00:54:04.880 Supreme court and the first black woman vice president.

00:54:08.420 It's like,

00:54:09.000 no,

00:54:10.080 people went out there and voted for,

00:54:11.680 you know,

00:54:12.940 president Obama.

00:54:14.220 And,

00:54:14.640 you know,

00:54:14.880 we vote,

00:54:15.200 I voted for president Biden because of who he had as his second in

00:54:19.400 command,

00:54:19.820 vice president Kamala Harris and that administration,

00:54:22.420 you know,

00:54:23.020 put in Ketanji Brown Jackson.

00:54:24.760 So it's still all boils down to the voters.

00:54:26.540 You didn't give us anything.

00:54:28.980 So,

00:54:29.220 you know,

00:54:29.560 I don't know.

00:54:30.220 I don't know if racist is the word I would use,

00:54:32.460 but it definitely is.

00:54:33.680 They feel entitled to our votes because we are black.

00:54:38.360 And it,

00:54:38.600 it just seems you wouldn't do that with any other group,

00:54:41.280 even Latinos.

00:54:42.320 You wouldn't really do it with Latinos and just go, 0.69

00:54:45.960 Oh,

00:54:46.100 Hey Pablo,

00:54:46.880 come over here,

00:54:47.560 mate,

00:54:47.800 vote for us.

00:54:48.880 Not only wouldn't they do it,

00:54:50.300 they didn't do it.

00:54:51.540 You know,

00:54:52.000 you hear plenty of stories about,

00:54:54.000 you know,

00:54:54.240 when the vice president,

00:54:55.260 you know,

00:54:55.620 became the candidate,

00:54:58.960 there was people in her team that felt like they had the black vote all

00:55:03.020 sewn up.

00:55:03.560 So they wanted to go focus on other communities.

00:55:06.200 Oh my God,

00:55:06.840 what another political miscalculation.

00:55:08.300 You really ain't talking to nobody.

00:55:09.580 You really ain't talking to nobody outside of the Hill.

00:55:12.240 If you thought that, 0.63

00:55:13.280 because black people have been the loudest about, 1.00

00:55:16.200 you know,

00:55:17.140 how they feel about the democratic party.

00:55:19.200 They,

00:55:19.360 they're discussed with the democratic party,

00:55:21.020 what the democratic party isn't doing.

00:55:22.300 You just haven't been paying attention. 0.97

00:55:23.780 You just dismissed those black people. 0.99

00:55:25.740 You want to label those black people, 1.00

00:55:26.920 MAGA. 1.00

00:55:27.340 You want to tell those black people, 1.00

00:55:28.240 Oh, 0.98

00:55:28.340 you just going to try to help Trump win.

00:55:29.840 No,

00:55:30.360 I am your consumer.

00:55:32.200 I am your voter base.

00:55:33.700 I'm telling you what's the problem.

00:55:35.160 And you're just dismissing me.

00:55:36.260 So you want to go run around with Liz Cheney and try to get those

00:55:39.000 Republicans who don't give a damn about you and aren't going to vote for

00:55:41.700 you anyway.

00:55:42.340 You spent a lot of money in the Latino community, 1.00

00:55:45.160 warn those voters.

00:55:46.440 And they gave you,

00:55:47.620 they asked to kiss too.

00:55:48.620 And more than 50% of them went to go vote for Donald Trump.

00:55:51.580 So guess what you should have been doing?

00:55:53.260 Focusing on your base.

00:55:54.380 But you know why you're afraid to focus on your base? 0.98

00:55:57.140 Because your base is black. 1.00

00:55:58.400 The majority of your base is black women. 1.00

00:56:01.300 The majority of your base is black men. 0.89

00:56:03.520 But you feel like if you focus on your base, 0.88

00:56:05.960 that is a political death sentence to the rest of the country,

00:56:09.340 to these hypothetical,

00:56:10.460 you know,

00:56:11.400 white swing voters in the Midwest who be like,

00:56:13.700 Oh,

00:56:13.860 they're too,

00:56:14.360 they're too focused on race.

00:56:16.020 No.

00:56:16.560 How about just when you're in the white house and when you're in these 0.99

00:56:19.220 positions of power,

00:56:20.480 focus on actually doing things for your base.

00:56:23.500 Your base will always be there for you.

00:56:25.180 And then you can go out there and try to woo others,

00:56:27.220 but you got to take care of home first.

00:56:29.400 Why do you think,

00:56:30.000 why do you think make America great again messaging works?

00:56:34.100 Why do you think America first messaging works?

00:56:36.900 Because regardless of what color you are in America,

00:56:39.960 if you see this country giving hundreds of millions of dollars to other

00:56:45.180 countries,

00:56:45.780 you know,

00:56:46.120 for war or whatever it is,

00:56:48.780 and you're starving here in America,

00:56:50.680 you like,

00:56:51.080 well, 1.00

00:56:51.260 God damn, 0.99

00:56:52.620 what about us? 1.00

00:56:53.820 Take care of us.

00:56:54.980 If you don't take care of those people at home,

00:56:57.620 you're probably going to have some civil unrest.

00:57:00.620 But if you were taking care of those people at home,

00:57:03.380 nobody would,

00:57:04.160 nobody would complain about whatever y'all do in these other countries.

00:57:07.340 Nobody would complain about the money y'all gave to other countries.

00:57:09.940 If you took care of home first,

00:57:11.560 it's the same thing with the democratic party.

00:57:13.300 If you actually took care of your base,

00:57:15.400 then your base wouldn't complain about what y'all are doing for other

00:57:17.820 people. 0.95

00:57:18.480 And it also shows an ignorance because they go Latino voters. 0.99

00:57:21.580 And I'm like, 0.96

00:57:22.000 who are you talking about?

00:57:22.880 You're talking about Mexicans. 0.98

00:57:24.100 You're talking about Peruvians,

00:57:25.540 Argentines,

00:57:26.240 because I'm going to tell you someone,

00:57:27.420 someone who's half Venezuelan,

00:57:29.360 you are going to find it very difficult to get a Venezuelan who's rightly or 1.00

00:57:34.280 wrongly,

00:57:34.820 whatever you may think,

00:57:35.880 experienced communism or a Cuban to vote for the left.

00:57:39.060 That is a fact.

00:57:39.800 You're just saying it ain't going to happen.

00:57:41.260 Latinos aren't monolithic, 0.98

00:57:42.380 just like black people aren't monolithic. 0.96

00:57:43.920 White Americans aren't monolithic.

00:57:45.540 Like nobody's monolithic.

00:57:46.960 So you have to,

00:57:47.860 you know,

00:57:49.200 pick and choose who you want to talk to.

00:57:51.220 And I think that we,

00:57:52.920 I think,

00:57:53.440 you know,

00:57:53.760 Democrats do themselves a disservice by having a big tent party mentality.

00:58:00.700 Because when you have a big tent party mentality and you have all of these

00:58:04.920 different groups under this tent,

00:58:07.940 you try to be all things to all people. 1.00

00:58:11.140 So you go around Latinos and you singing dumb shit. 1.00

00:58:14.220 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:58:16.000 You know, 0.99

00:58:16.580 you go around black people. 0.98

00:58:17.600 They not like us. 0.98

00:58:18.220 They not like us.

00:58:18.940 You know,

00:58:19.300 you go around white people.

00:58:20.140 You're singing Taylor Swift.

00:58:21.040 It's like,

00:58:21.520 yo,

00:58:22.120 how about this?

00:58:24.080 How about just talk to all of these people like they're people?

00:58:27.680 You know what all of these people want?

00:58:29.600 Because as I said earlier,

00:58:30.780 human beings just want some money in their pocket and they just want to feel safe.

00:58:34.320 How about create a broad message that every single American can understand and relate to?

00:58:40.960 And that message is,

00:58:42.600 oh,

00:58:42.820 you're going to make me get some more money in my pocket?

00:58:44.840 Cool.

00:58:45.420 Oh,

00:58:45.560 you're going to keep us safe?

00:58:46.940 Cool.

00:58:47.700 Everybody can relate to that.

00:58:49.420 All of that other gimmicky,

00:58:51.000 you know, 1.00

00:58:51.860 dumb shit. 1.00

00:58:52.860 Nah. 1.00

00:58:53.460 They were wearing kente cloths and taking knees on Capitol Hill. 0.99

00:59:00.700 Like,

00:59:00.940 what are we doing?

00:59:01.960 Like,

00:59:02.200 come on,

00:59:02.620 man.

00:59:02.900 Like,

00:59:03.140 come on.

00:59:03.580 Stop.

00:59:03.860 Well,

00:59:04.040 that's right.

00:59:04.480 I think it's true in our country as well.

00:59:06.380 People try to divide everyone along racial lines and talk to this group in this way.

00:59:10.480 And actually,

00:59:11.400 I think your point is exactly right,

00:59:12.820 which is if you talk to people about their concerns,

00:59:14.840 you actually find out the differences between black,

00:59:17.280 white,

00:59:17.600 Latino,

00:59:18.020 et cetera,

00:59:18.360 much smaller than people like to pretend when it comes to those core issues.

00:59:22.000 That's right.

00:59:22.540 And,

00:59:22.740 you know,

00:59:22.840 uniting people around that is going to be the winning strategy.

00:59:25.880 Before Charlemagne answers the final question at the end of the interview,

00:59:29.660 make sure to head over to our sub stack.

00:59:31.560 The link is in the description where you'll be,

00:59:33.760 able to see this.

00:59:35.380 Have you always envisioned yourself with the amount of fame that you have?

00:59:39.000 You speak a lot about mental health and anxiety,

00:59:40.980 but the profession you've chosen seemed like they'd make that a lot harder.

00:59:45.040 Who do you see is the best,

00:59:46.580 most important public figures right now?

00:59:48.600 We're having the most positive impact for black Americans today.

00:59:51.560 You've spoken a lot about wanting politicians who will help advance the black community.

00:59:55.480 What two to three things do you feel can be done to help the black community?

00:59:59.220 Anyway,

00:59:59.560 man,

00:59:59.740 it's been great having on before we go to our supporters and they ask you their

01:00:03.480 questions.

01:00:03.940 The last question we always ask is what's the one thing we're not talking about as

01:00:07.600 a society that you think we should be?

01:00:09.280 The mental health issues that this current moment in politics is causing.

01:00:25.700 And not even just this current moment from 2016 to now.

01:00:32.600 I don't even think people are capable of having good faith conversations anymore because people

01:00:41.820 have chosen sides and we're listening with the intent to reply,

01:00:47.560 not with the intent to understand.

01:00:50.620 And that's where the yelling comes in. 0.98

01:00:53.200 That's where the screaming comes in.

01:00:54.560 The over-talking comes in.

01:00:55.760 The you're right,

01:00:57.000 you know,

01:00:57.540 you're wrong thing comes in.

01:00:59.940 And that's just all driving us mad.

01:01:02.360 I use that because I'm talking to the UK people.

01:01:04.080 It's driving us mad.

01:01:05.100 You know what I mean?

01:01:05.600 It's literally just making everybody batshit crazy.

01:01:09.900 And we don't necessarily realize it.

01:01:12.260 We don't realize how much,

01:01:13.540 you know,

01:01:14.360 anxiety and bouts of depression,

01:01:17.000 you know,

01:01:17.360 and PTSD,

01:01:18.860 you know,

01:01:19.280 have,

01:01:19.620 have probably shot up since 2016 just because of this political moment that we're in.

01:01:28.880 And,

01:01:29.180 you know,

01:01:29.260 I don't think this country has stopped to take a collective breath.

01:01:32.800 You know,

01:01:33.440 I don't think the world has stopped to take a collective breath.

01:01:36.960 And now that,

01:01:37.540 you know,

01:01:38.240 Trump is back in there,

01:01:40.040 everybody's definitely not taking enough collective breaths at all.

01:01:44.440 Cause every day it's something.

01:01:46.440 What's Steve Banner say?

01:01:47.220 Flood the zone.

01:01:48.220 Every single day.

01:01:49.260 It's something that's making you like,

01:01:50.280 what?

01:01:50.580 He said,

01:01:50.900 what?

01:01:51.080 He did this.

01:01:51.580 They doing what?

01:01:52.120 They go,

01:01:52.400 what?

01:01:52.640 Who lost their job?

01:01:53.460 Like,

01:01:53.640 it's just so much going on,

01:01:56.460 you know,

01:01:57.020 at one time.

01:01:57.800 And I don't think people are thinking about the mental,

01:01:59.580 the toll is taking on people's mental,

01:02:02.980 mental health in this world.

01:02:04.700 All right,

01:02:04.880 man.

01:02:05.180 Thanks for coming on.

01:02:06.220 Head on over to Substack where we ask Charlamine your questions.

01:02:10.300 When do you think the Democrats will have a presidential candidate that is humble about the earning the vote of minority groups rather than having to assume right to them?

01:02:19.140 We'll see you next time.

01:02:49.120 We'll see you next time.

TRIGGERnometry - April 15, 2025

Charlamagne tha God - Democrats are Losers, Republicans are Crooks

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