Comedian Discriminated Against for Being White - Tyler Fischer
Episode Stats
Length
1 hour and 16 minutes
Words per Minute
185.66899
Summary
Tyler Fisher is a comedian, podcaster, YouTuber, and actor who is suing a potential manager for saying he can t work with him because of his race. He talks about his experience with racism and how he dealt with it.
Transcript
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So I'm sitting there like, all right, here we go, finally, it's all happening.
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And he goes, we hit a snag, we really love you, we think you're a star, but we're not taking white guys.
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I miss the old days, you know, when you just treated people by how they were, you know?
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Someone was a dick, you're a dick to them, someone's nice, you're nice.
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You have to look at their skin color, their gender.
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There's a whole checklist of things you have to do before you even say hello to somebody.
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Lots of sleepless nights and a lot of pain and having some of my heroes hate me.
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They can attack you, but nobody knows what I've gone through and survived.
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You're going to reach a point and it's going to likely be financial or a job was taken away or your daughter's job.
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It's like the people that come after me, I go, well, what if your white daughter was told, fuck off, you're white, you can't be an actor?
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You know, the pendulum will swing back and I'm going, the pendulum is broken out of the fucking clock.
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And it's just like slamming everyone in the head.
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Hello and welcome to a very special episode of Trigonometry on the Road from the USA.
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And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.
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Our brilliant guest today in what is a very hot studio, hence why we're all dressed like we're on a Hawaiian beach somewhere,
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A little bit controversial at the moment because he's suing a potential manager for saying he can't work with him because of his race.
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We're in New York, which is where a lot of cool comedy stuff is happening.
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Tell everybody before we get into all of that, who are you, how are you, where you are,
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what has been the journey through life that leads you to be sitting in that chair?
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Francis snuck into my DMs, took me out to coffee.
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I took him out to Starbucks, which was a bit of a letdown.
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I started in theater, theater, and then studied, actually studied in London a little bit.
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Moved to New York City, started doing film, TV, stand-up, theater, and then started making
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And now I'm a touring comedian and living the dream.
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Like some of the stuff you did during the pandemic about vaccines and all of that.
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Hi, this is a little message to the unvaccinated.
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And so, I'm protected because the vaccine is safe and effective.
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So, if you're around me and you're unvaccinated, then you're putting me at...
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So, you're selfish because if I'm protected and you're around me, then I'm...
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Speaking of impressions, I heard Mark Norman was just here.
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The tear's all torn up because he moves around.
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But one of the reasons we wanted to have you on is obviously this situation with you
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and a potential agent, manager, where you were about to get signed.
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And then they were like, we can't work with you because you're a white guy.
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Yeah, and they're going to use this clip because it is about 100 degrees in here and I'm sweating.
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So I'm picturing in a year when we're in court, they're going to cut to this clip and go,
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Every once in a while, a casting director would say, hey, I want to submit you for this job,
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but we're not really doing a white guy thing right now.
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I'd be booked on a podcast, get a text, hey, not the best time to have a white guy on.
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I'm, so I'm originally from Russia, but the face is like Greek and Jewish.
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I auditioned for an animated voice today, and I was telling you guys, and the description
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was 30 Caucasian, but the guy looked like you, but darker.
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So now they won't even show white guys as white.
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Can you have the temperature on the screen during this?
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But you know, what I find interesting about the way you just mentioned my skin tone,
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To me, I love that because there's no awkwardness about it.
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Like, yeah, we have different skin color and we can just talk about it.
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But we've certainly in the UK, like if you'd made that comment, everyone would be like,
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Yeah, it was all white people do this thing and it was directed at me.
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And I was like, well, what's the problem with that?
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You meet somebody, you don't have much to talk about at a party.
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For eight, for 10 years, you've noticed that every now and again, you apply for something,
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you know, and they're like, we're not doing the white guy thing at the moment.
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One of the biggest jobs I actually got, I won't mention it, but it was a casting director
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And she, they, them, those, I don't want to, got to be careful there too.
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And she wrote to me, she said, I probably shouldn't submit white guys for this, but I
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And again, I mean, to look at that, then I start to feel like, well, I don't deserve
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The, the, the job had nothing to do with race or gender or anything.
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And I booked the job and every day I went and I did feel a little bit like, am I stealing
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this from somebody because of the way she presented it?
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But, um, so yeah, it just happened more and more.
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And then I had an agent bring me in, big agent in New York.
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Every year around two months before SNL, people would bring me and go, why aren't you on SNL?
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And I'm like, well, if you, you know, if you want to help me out, that'd be great.
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And I emailed, I said, what's, what's going on?
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And he wrote back and I quote, tough out there for white dudes.
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From the roster, I got an email that said, you've been removed.
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So then I, I just stopped pursuing agents and managers for a while, started making my own stuff.
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This agent, um, that I am suing or manager rather reached out and said, we love you.
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We want to get you auditions for Curb Your Enthusiasm, all this stuff.
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A few months later, they reach out, said, we want to call, we want to get you on the phone.
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So I'm sitting there like, all right, here we go.
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We think you're a star, but we're not taking white guys.
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And I was just like, what the, you know, been at this for 15 years.
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You know, if I went my whole career without getting booked on something, but I at least
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had the opportunity to audition, I'd feel okay about that.
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But what's happening now is they're removing certain races from even having the opportunity
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They get you the opportunity to compete that you otherwise can't unless you have, you know,
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Uh, so I'm sitting there and I remembered my therapist, uh, I was dating a quite mentally
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And he said, you need to start recording conversations if anything comes up because you don't want
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to be accused of the million things you can be accused of.
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And I was like, can you say it a little slower?
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You know, I want to, I want to sit here and pretend like I, I, it didn't bother me, but
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You know, it was like this little kid when their balloon is just, you know, getting taken
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It's like, I saw my career just, I tried everything.
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You know, I, I worked 12 hours a day, seven days a week.
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I, I've been making sketches and I just thought without this gatekeeper, I'm not going to make
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And I mean, I worked with my therapist for, for months on this and, and, um, decided
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to, to finally pursue it because I thought it'll kill me if I don't.
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Francis, I know you want to jump in and I just want to finish this one thing real quick
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No, but the reason I, the thing I wanted to say before Francis, you take over is this.
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When I saw the story that this had happened with you, it kind of made me laugh.
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I had, I remember an incident where I, I had someone was racist to me in the street.
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I get an email from a promoter saying, I'm sorry, we're going to have to change your dates
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because there's too many white people on the bill.
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And Francis will tell you as well, this is like, it would never occur to anyone on the
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UK comedy scene to sue a manager or an agent who'd said that.
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It's so normal that they're comfortable saying it even with the little laugh, you know,
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I believe he had a little giggle, you know, you know, the pendulum will swing back and
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I'm going, the pendulum is broken out of the fucking clock and it's just like slamming
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And I don't want to hear the pendulum analogy, you know, or any, you know, analogies from
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So yeah, it's, you don't think this stuff would happen given the perpetual sort of beating
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over the head of you have to stand up for discrimination.
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Because if this had happened to a black person, you would go, that's disgusting and quite
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And you would go, that's disgusting and quite rightly.
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You know, you can't, we can't use these fake, made up, woke words, cisgendered or reverse,
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And, and I, and I also waited until I had my, until I made my career on my own.
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So it was calculated that I didn't want to get sucked into that victimhood mentality because
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that's also a billion dollar business at this point.
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So I thought, all right, if I build up my following, I'm making a living, I can pay rent, I can tour,
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then I'll do this when I have the strength, you know.
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And obviously you went out, you talked about this and the entire comedy community went,
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To, to nobody's surprise, there was, um, there was very little support.
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Uh, the support I get is in a comedy club when I'm walking out, a comic will, will tap me
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on the shoulder and look around and go, I love what you're doing.
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So, um, yeah, I'm, I'm called crazy, insane, far right, all the, all the words you can possibly
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think of on that, that side of the political spectrum, which this isn't political at all,
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nor are most things that, that people find controversial.
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So, yeah, that's, that's the new normal for me.
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I go into a comedy club, people, some won't look at me, some won't shake my hand, but I
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Why do you think comedians who are meant to be the ones championing free speech, championing
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the right to joke about whatever you want, because even if you're selfish, you've got
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It may not be today, may not be next month or even next year, but eventually it will affect
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Why are they not standing up and pushing back against this nonsense?
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It's there's a lot of reason I want to look up.
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It's like you got to look up to the the stars and you got to take personal responsibility.
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And Jordan Peterson is actually one of the one of the reasons why I spoke up about this,
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because he defended the right to not be compelled to use preferred pronouns.
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And if you don't know Jordan Peterson, they do losers.
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He when he stood up to that, I hadn't really seen anybody really stand up for something so
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You see the protests and the vague sort of umbrella protest terms and all that.
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So when I saw him do that, I thought, OK, if I don't do this, this is going to take me under.
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And then also watching his journey, I was kind of prepared to see he didn't get any support,
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very little to none from the from psychologists or from his his industry.
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But the common sense people in society were the ones that came to his defense.
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And that might be 80 or 90 percent of the population.
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So I thought, all right, I'm going to probably lose this group of comedians,
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maybe some of my family, some of my friends, my girlfriend, my dog, my apartment, my mind.
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But apart from that, but apart from that, I'll have I'll have pride.
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And so I think one of the reasons a lot of comedians don't won't stand up for this is just fear.
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We've now created this fear of things you can't talk about.
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And so that bubble is getting bigger and discrimination against white people is now in that thing where they go.
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No, because they changed the definition in the I think Webster Dictionary where racism is not a real thing against white people.
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And comedians are, you know, we typically don't make a lot of money.
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So then if you speak up and you defend somebody who's seen as controversial, you might lose your spot at the comedy club.
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So the fear is so deep where I don't think most people are willing to do it.
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And then the ones that kind of attack me for it, well, I don't, you know, while they're doing that,
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I'm just writing and producing and filming and enjoying my life.
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But the interesting thing is the comedians that we all look up to, like, I know you're a huge George Carlin fan.
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They're the ones who went, well, I'm going to say what I say and fuck it and damn the consequences.
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You know, I think for a lot of these comedians, if they actually truly understand that and were brave enough to make that step,
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And it certainly wouldn't be without, you know, negative consequences.
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But ultimately, there's a freedom at the end of the journey, like George Carlin or Richard Pryor or Hicks or any of these people.
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And it might have to do with your personality type or how you were brought up.
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But I think it is a tremendous amount of pain to get out of it, you know.
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And so it's tempting to want to go around that and then, you know, play by the rules.
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But you're never going to live a life where you're fulfilled, like you said, where you have pride in yourself, where you actually love what you do and creating the work that you truly want to create.
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If you go down that other path, even if you become the SNL, the whatever it is that you want.
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And now, if they walked in and said, we want you on this Saturday, I would say thanks, but no thanks.
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What's interesting about your case, though, is you actually saw what was going to happen because, I don't know if you know this, but in the very end of 2018, I got offered a contract to do a gig at a university which said they have a zero-trance policy on like a gazillion things, racism.
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It said that all jokes have to be respectful and kind and whatever.
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And I turned it down and it became quite a big story without me knowing that it would.
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And I thought, here I am, like, taking one for the comedy world.
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Yeah, I'm like, yeah, well, where's the praise?
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And then I went back and I went into the green rooms and, like, half the people wouldn't look at me.
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The other half, to be fair, would come and give me a hug and say, well, those are the half that think you're brown.
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But you seemed to, like, you knew what was coming if you did this.
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I did, but there's no way to, there's no way to actually conceptualize that and feel what it feels like.
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To, you know, the woman that said, I'm going to sneak you into that audition, though you're white and I shouldn't.
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I saw her about a block from here the other day.
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She looked at me and she goes, and my friend goes, what the fuck did you do to that woman?
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I had to kind of pull over to the side and, like, he had to go, you know, mate, you okay?
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But to have that happen, there's no way to prepare for it.
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But most people, just like in their stance on everything else, are cowards.
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And out of the, you know, 100 million views I've gotten on my videos, not one has come up to me in person and said, you're, you know, a terrorist or piece of shit.
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So you've got to separate the internet from reality.
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And do you think in some ways we're incredibly fortunate in that people who did what you do and what we do 100 years from now, they would have been burned at the fucking stake.
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Whereas, yes, you didn't get the opportunities that you wanted in some ways and you're taking the punishment for making a stand on a thing that you believe in.
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But at the same time, you can make your own content.
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You're getting opportunities online that you create for yourself.
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The people who wanted to challenge the status quo, who wanted to point out that the emperor's naked 100, 200, 300 years ago, they never had that opportunity.
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Men, even with the life expectancy of 14 years old, were so incredibly privileged.
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Like, men have always had all the jobs and everything.
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And I was like, do you think there was a feminist in like 1600 who was picketing to have like more female cobblers or female, you know, candlestick makers or whatever?
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Maybe it's from being bullied as a kid for being short or whatever it is.
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I think I have a little extra something that's just this little, you know, pilot flame that's just always on no matter how down and out I am that I don't think most people have.
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So I think whatever my privilege is, is this biological thing that all of the short men in my family have had to, you know, overcome.
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I'm glad you said that, man, because I think for Francis and I, the reason we do what we do is also partly because like I'm not prepared to let people bully me or other people.
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And when I see unfairness, even if other people are okay with it, I'm not okay with it, you know.
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And I think that's kind of where you're coming at it from.
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Like you're just not prepared to be quiet about something you think is important.
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No, because the feeling, the alternative is too powerful.
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Even when I was bullied, you know, I remember a guy tried throwing me in the trash can and I like got his legs and like, you know, kind of got him and we were like kind of both in the trash can.
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And, you know, that was, you know, the day my dad left my mom, but I had him in the trash can pretty good.
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My dad came out of the closet when I was a kid.
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And I think that, you know, it's kind of like try me.
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They can attack you, but nobody knows what I've gone through and survived.
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And so that's a misstep to not, to just go, even if, you know, I have friends will go, what the hell happened to you?
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You know, friends from a few years ago or 10 years ago.
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But I'm like, you don't know, you don't know anything that happened that led up to that.
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Even with the agent, a lot of comedians, you know, attack me for it.
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And I go, yeah, but you never asked any other questions.
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Like, I have that history of overcoming this stuff.
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And if somebody isn't interested in that, then they're not somebody I want in my life.
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And with this freedom, what has that done for you creatively?
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With the knowledge that you don't have to pander to gatekeepers.
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You're not worried about what the comedians think.
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I mean, there's no, it's a feeling I didn't even know existed until you're there.
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Like, lots of sleepless nights and a lot of pain.
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And having some of my heroes attack, you know, hate me is quite a thing to have comedians I looked up to since I was a kid.
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Because that's one of my rules is I don't, I just don't gossip.
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Which is a useful tool, I think, especially if you're in the heat.
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To go, no matter what happens, I didn't talk shit about any of them.
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I think that, that's been a really helpful tool.
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Yeah, I just, there's too many pricks out there to, to comment on.
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But, no, some comedians that I looked up to that, you know, really started, you know, sharing my stuff and, and who now think I'm, you know,
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storming the Capitol or something or whatever the hell, you know, it's pretty wild.
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But it's also a blessing because now my heroes, I don't have to look up to anymore.
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But the freedom is, it's unbelievable, you know.
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It allows you to, to cross the line maybe way farther than you should, but you have to do that, you know.
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As, as a comedian, our job is, is done publicly.
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The, the, the trials and tribulations is public.
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And most people don't see comedy and understand, hey, we're actually just rehearsing all this stuff live publicly more so than ever.
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Now with Twitter, tweeting out a thought or a joke or, uh, so.
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You're not even rehearsing, you're creating, you're creating publicly, right?
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Because the comedy only becomes, the joke only becomes the joke when other people hear it.
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And this is what people never seem to understand is, in order for comedians to be able to create new stuff, they have to go and try it and then find out that a line has been crossed.
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No one knows where the line is until you go in front of an audience and you say the thing.
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And if you, at that point, find out the line is too far, and if we now live in a culture where once you've gone too far, that's it, there's someone at your door.
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Then all that's going to happen is comedians aren't going to go near the line.
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So, or they're sticking to the topics, but to me, there's no topic off limits.
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So, you know, we're now in society, we have all these protected classes, protected LGBTQIA+, we're coddling that group of people.
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It's not a real community at all, but we're treating them like children and putting bubble wrap around them.
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So, I was talking to someone the other day, and they said, you know, Chappelle's jokes are anti-trans.
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And I said, could it be that it's just a joke that has a trans person in it and it's not anti-trans?
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I was thinking of George Carlin because he had the seven words you can't say.
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Shit, fuck, piss, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tits.
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And I'm like, if he lived today, it would be like the 700 topics.
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And I thought, he almost had it better back then with seven words he couldn't say.
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Now there's seven, you know, 70 topics, all which have 100 words under the umbrella.
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But you just don't have to buy into this make-believe world.
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And you'll find out pretty quickly, for me, it was about a year, being stuck at 3,000 followers,
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I was doing funny jokes and impressions and Bill Burr and Bill Burr's sharing them and Jordan
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In a year, it went to, you know, surpass 500,000 just from opening up those boundaries a little
00:33:40.540
Well, it's because you're creating something no one else is creating.
00:33:46.720
But you know what's really interesting about what you were saying?
00:33:50.040
It's that comedy, when I see it on TV, particularly the UK and push back if it's different in America,
00:33:55.960
it's got to the stage where memes on WhatsApp and the chat you have with your friends is
00:34:03.100
funnier than the comedy written and made by professionals.
00:34:17.640
It's all become, you know, I think everybody wants that.
00:34:22.700
You know, when you see a comedian kind of, when that spills out into their act, people
00:34:32.000
We're letting a small minority of extreme people create the rules.
00:34:46.280
And increasingly, as we were talking before we started in the UK, it's actually bleeding
00:34:51.320
We have laws now about what you can and can't say.
00:34:53.960
We have comedians who get investigated by the police.
00:34:58.320
Didn't somebody just get arrested or something?
00:35:00.900
Well, there was a guy called Joe Lysa, for example.
00:35:02.860
He had a call from the police, a visit from the police because an audience member on his
00:35:08.000
tour complained and they were investigating him to understand the joke.
00:35:15.800
It's funny to you, man, because you don't have to live there.
00:35:19.580
It's funny that they'd have to investigate and then you have to explain your childhood.
00:35:25.100
I've just got this image in the police station going, yeah, yeah, you know, the pedophile
00:35:35.840
This guy's making fun of, yeah, overweight people.
00:35:58.720
And you wanted me to come do stand-up in the UK.
00:36:01.440
I just wanted to, it'd be great for your career.
00:36:04.800
You want a real litmus test to see really what the limits are.
00:36:13.000
While someone of indiscriminate gender is in the back crying.
00:36:17.860
That thing about just not playing by the fake rules.
00:36:26.780
Like, when we were still both doing the circuit,
00:36:30.140
I always said to her, man, you're funnier offstage than you are onstage.
00:36:33.540
Because you're driving with the handbrake on, man.
00:36:47.400
Yeah, and they just go, what do you joke about now, Francis?
00:36:53.720
But like, it's stopping people from being the best version of the comedian that they could be.
00:36:59.020
And I wonder what, you know, we've all been through it, I suppose, to some extent.
00:37:03.980
But I just know that it just gives you so much freedom to let go of that.
00:37:11.440
But it comes with a lot of costs, as you say, man.
00:37:14.000
And I think it's a trade-off that some people can handle and a lot of people probably can't.
00:37:40.900
When I had thoughts that I didn't want to even say, I would...
00:37:45.380
Part of why I did impressions was I thought, oh, if I'm Bill Burr and going, oh, these fucking feminists, right?
00:37:54.320
So I started to get a lot of these ideas out through those people.
00:38:01.060
I had to do that or, you know, I like to do Trump, you know.
00:38:11.540
People that hated the right would laugh at Trump or laugh at him.
00:38:18.360
So it took me 10 years to even, like, do a joke about my dad coming out of the closet.
00:38:23.340
Because I would get shamed for, no, even though your dad's gay, you're a straight white guy.
00:38:35.560
And it is a feeling I think a lot of people, you know, don't want to go through.
00:38:39.960
You know, in the UK, we have the Edinburgh Festival, which is how...
00:38:43.900
In the old system, that's how you got discovered.
00:38:52.600
It's 10 minutes of jokes, 50 minutes of lecturing.
00:39:19.820
And the head of the awards is a lady called Nika Burns, right?
00:39:24.700
And in 2018, she said the words, I'm looking forward to the next generation of woke comedians
00:39:31.980
deciding what is and isn't acceptable on the stage.
00:39:41.820
We found out just this week that they are paying to fly or transport, whichever way they
00:39:48.800
do, Guardian journalists to the festival for them to see shows.
00:39:53.800
These are the same Guardian journalists who then go around and review everything based
00:39:57.320
on the politics of the show as opposed to the jokes in it.
00:40:03.620
They did it in 2019 when I did my show at Edinburgh Festival.
00:40:21.100
So these people are all working together in a tiny little industry.
00:40:26.180
So what you went through, I totally get because that's how it works.
00:40:30.260
Like you stand up, then you've got all of these people against you.
00:40:37.960
It's the, you know, it's what, honestly, I can't say much about the lawsuit, but I do
00:40:44.980
You know, this guy in particular was a junior manager.
00:40:50.920
And he's being told by the senior managers, I assume, is what he told me, that we're putting
00:40:58.900
So this poor guy has to come back and report to me.
00:41:01.400
And it took him seven months to be able to own up to it.
00:41:08.320
I said, if we're going to get on the phone, you have to tell me why you've been dragging
00:41:19.080
But he told me, he actually is the bravest person I've come in contact with because he
00:41:25.160
But it's the movie studios, you know, who are tweeting hashtag, you know, gay Ukrainian
00:41:36.480
Then they're telling the casting, the directors, casting directors are calling the agents and
00:41:43.060
So that is one big, you know, solar system that works together.
00:41:48.620
And the only way to get out of it is to do what we're doing.
00:41:54.380
Netflix put out a statement that said, if you're woke, you might not want to work
00:41:58.120
I mean, that was coming after putting out the wokest garbage you can dream up for five,
00:42:05.320
Well, see, I don't mind Netflix putting out woke garbage as long as they don't restrict
00:42:12.460
So that's why it got that's why it was so one sided.
00:42:17.460
Also, don't know white guys, no people of this, you know, this thought system or whatever
00:42:28.120
And, and so if, if you're not in that pile and you're over here where everyone's searching
00:42:33.400
for comedy, it is kind of a, the wild west right now.
00:42:40.320
And you know, what's interesting is that their ratings are just going through the floor.
00:42:46.620
All these shows that have embraced this kind of agenda and this way of looking at the world.
00:42:51.960
It's all collapsing, but they, they don't seem to get their heads around it.
00:42:57.240
And what's worse is they're like a comedian who's bombing and they're going, oh, they're
00:43:03.720
You know, they're, you know, this mother and baby audience, you know, at two o'clock in
00:43:16.880
It's like being at church halfway through the service.
00:43:28.660
So it would be the, it would be akin to them going, yeah, that never happened.
00:43:41.540
They're in so deep that the financial part is, is what's shifting it.
00:43:47.580
They're not going to magically change their values.
00:43:51.000
The, the, the ratings are, are going to force their values to change back to hopefully
00:43:57.500
But I'd like to see, I mean, like Andrew Schultz just put out his special and he said a streaming
00:44:04.400
service wanted to edit his jokes and he said, fuck you and put it out himself.
00:44:16.720
My next one will be on YouTube and on my Patreon.
00:44:20.140
But we're not even, I'm taking this so seriously.
00:44:34.660
My goal is hopefully I don't ever need to go sit in a pitch with one of those places
00:44:39.620
again, which I did for six, seven years with various TV shows.
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You know what's interesting is what I was very surprised about, particularly given we've
00:45:54.260
We've met people, we've gone to comedy shows, we've talked to different people in the comedy
00:45:58.020
world, like I was surprised that it seemed to me like in America, there's at least like
00:46:04.520
enough comics who see this shit for what it is, that you would have like a lot of support
00:46:11.920
And that doesn't seem to have transpired really, does it?
00:46:23.620
No, I don't think, from what I could tell, I don't think any comedians have, maybe a few,
00:46:30.360
maybe five tops have publicly, and I don't need someone to publicly do it.
00:46:39.000
Otherwise, you're just the one racist guy who can't handle being white or whatever.
00:46:44.080
But maybe five, maybe five out of, I'm in a, I'm in a system of about 5,000 comedians.
00:46:52.760
And I mean like if a new, if a comedian friends me on Facebook, we have 5,000 mutual friends
00:47:15.100
And I was thinking about this the other day, and I haven't said this out loud.
00:47:18.620
The best part about it is, and you guys know this now that you have some success, or a lot
00:47:25.900
of success, people will start to ask for favors and butter up to you and whatever British
00:47:50.240
They don't, brown nose me, they don't suck up, they don't ask to go on my podcast, they
00:47:56.660
And that is, that is one of those little perks that you wouldn't really imagine being so amazing,
00:48:03.580
because that could also take out actors, comedians, people in the entertainment business.
00:48:09.260
Johnny Carson, for instance, became, you know, completely isolated because everybody wanted
00:48:17.400
I can walk into a comedy club and sit down and work on my jokes, go up, kill, and walk
00:48:22.920
out, and not one person, maybe more than a, like, a wink.
00:48:31.680
Like, I walk in, and like, people just look at me, and I'm like, have I just, like, got
00:48:44.300
Or my favorite one is when people go to talk to me, they do this.
00:48:50.100
You're like, did I leave the house in blackface?
00:48:56.600
You know, the thing is, it also still happens, though.
00:48:59.980
I remember when I turned down that contract, there was a guy who, like, really didn't like
00:49:04.860
it, was attacking me on my own, like, feeds and whatever, replying.
00:49:08.160
And then, like, three days later, when it became a big news story, and it was, became,
00:49:12.460
like, public, and people cared about it, he messaged me saying, you know what, I'd love
00:49:18.980
And I was like, didn't you spend, like, three days just attacking me endlessly?
00:49:23.220
It was like, yeah, yeah, I'll go and delete that.
00:49:29.500
Yeah, I said to him, you've been saying, you've been talking shit about me for three
00:49:36.180
And he went, oh, no, no, I'll go delete all those.
00:49:44.340
But it just, it was interesting to me that somebody would flip the switch in about three
00:49:50.420
Well, that you, you reached the point of notoriety.
00:49:52.740
Like, where were you in your career at that point?
00:49:58.880
There is, like, an algorithm to it where you cross a certain number of followers or whatever
00:50:03.960
it is, where then, like, I have some people coming back around now.
00:50:20.340
And I was, you know, that would have been a useful, you know, text at that point.
00:50:25.460
Yeah, like, so this is what I find interesting as well, you know.
00:50:28.800
So you get some of these comedians who are openly, overtly woke until something happens
00:50:37.260
Like, there's a comedian who I helped a lot at the early stages of his career because
00:50:43.360
And Vice did a hit piece on the comedy club that I was.
00:50:54.260
And he liked the Vice hit piece and all the rest of it.
00:51:00.780
You know, I was several because I'm passive aggressive.
00:51:06.140
And we were talking and he looked at me and he went, I'm not going to get the vaccine,
00:51:11.980
And he went, yeah, because, you know, here's the reasons why.
00:51:23.320
But he said it under his breath when he knew that no one was around.
00:51:29.840
It's like, just because you have a thing doesn't mean that people now have to come to you and
00:51:34.300
And I just said to him, I was like, it doesn't matter what you do.
00:51:41.340
And you could tell, like, the penny had dropped.
00:51:51.020
And I know, like you said, Mark was on your show.
00:51:53.940
And I had Mark on my podcast when I first started it.
00:51:57.880
And I kind of was like, how do you, you really go for it, you know?
00:52:05.560
And he just said, like, hey, hey, I just, no, I'm not going to do it.
00:52:14.180
This is how I am all the time on every podcast, every tweet.
00:52:19.640
And so that did really, that was one of the things that helped me go, all right, I'm going
00:52:24.340
to do this for everything all the time so they can't find that one little thing.
00:52:33.760
They're just going to pick the highlights, man.
00:52:39.380
But I think you'll have a, you know, that's the thing.
00:52:41.340
You build your own following up to a certain size.
00:52:43.680
When they come for you, if you didn't do anything illegal, you're looking at me.
00:52:53.380
And because of Locals, Patreon, you know, Chris D'Elia is a great example.
00:52:58.760
I mean, he didn't do anything illegal as far as I'm concerned.
00:53:08.340
He went and got help and went to, I think, 12-step programs and stuff.
00:53:12.780
And sure enough, there, his following was to kind of lift him back up and pay his bills.
00:53:24.380
That's why I am somewhat more positive than I have been for a long time, actually, about
00:53:30.840
Because I always get, I find it very difficult when I think there's no way out.
00:53:37.220
And as my dad always says, a situation with no way out is a situation where you don't like
00:53:43.140
And the obvious way out is just to go fuck you and build something of your own.
00:53:53.080
It's going to be a challenge, which has been for you.
00:53:57.300
You know, speaking of Mark Norman, the interesting difference, I suppose, between what he said
00:54:01.080
and what you've said to us is he was saying, look, the way to deal with this is just to
00:54:08.660
But you felt you had to make a stand and go out of the comedy persona and into the real
00:54:21.980
And I think that is going to bring him incredible longevity with his career.
00:54:27.680
But like we talked about off camera earlier, as well as your pedophile lawsuit that you're
00:54:39.440
Is, you know, there was a defining moment for me.
00:54:43.540
And that was me not getting the vaccine, which I thought was a personal choice that
00:54:51.380
I don't, I never talked about personal stuff in my life.
00:54:54.240
Again, even being like, my dad is gay was the scariest thing to do on stage.
00:55:00.180
I remember I even talked about being uncircumcised once and a bartender at the show goes, stop!
00:55:09.600
And it was like another year before I even, you know, did that bit again.
00:55:18.600
But hey, hey, all right, I'm going to get more, no.
00:55:20.760
So the difference for me was when that happened, I decided I'm not going to lie to the comedy
00:55:28.080
clubs and say that I got the vaccine because I respect them, you know.
00:55:33.300
These clubs that it took me 12 years to get into finally gave me a shot.
00:55:40.380
I posted on the weekends, started to make a living.
00:55:51.520
That's when it had to become personal because then I got attacked.
00:55:58.880
And it became like it crossed the line where it's like, no, this is now my personal medical
00:56:04.900
This is different than comedy or jokes you make.
00:56:09.120
This is a personal, uh, my body, my choice thing, which is ironic because I'm, I actually
00:56:18.600
And so it's interesting to be called right wing, far right to have a stance that's as pure
00:56:26.040
as it can be with my body, my choice across the board.
00:56:32.020
Uh, and then I had to sort of by default talk about my personal stuff because people were
00:56:39.580
going in and kind of pulling it out, but I had never had any intention to, to talk about
00:56:45.280
I was at those clubs when there was no vaccine.
00:56:49.360
I was one of like few comedians that were willing to go perform, uh, which actually felt like
00:56:58.300
But I just thought I'll die if I don't do it and the crowd needs it.
00:57:02.060
And the crowds were small and it was outside and everyone's in their mask and face shield
00:57:09.720
So then suddenly after working for a year for free, all the money they made went to their
00:57:21.740
And then one day they're like, no, you're out of here.
00:57:23.780
And I just thought, man, you know, now I, now I have to, to, to build this on my own.
00:57:31.700
And that just sort of opened up a little bit of a window for me to start talking about more
00:57:37.080
Never would have happened for, if it weren't for, for, um, that vaccine divisiveness.
00:57:44.980
And I lost a ton of friends and family, not allowed in my family's house, probably still
00:57:52.680
So it was like a tremendous loss that I never intended to, uh, to, to go near.
00:58:00.840
Why do you think the whole vaccine issue was so divisive?
00:58:04.180
I think it was done on, I think it was done on purpose to prevent Trump from getting reelected
00:58:21.500
No, because also, by the way, if you even take this thing out and dissect it even a little
00:58:26.000
bit, Trump's the one that pushed the vaccine that got the regulations, uh, reduced because
00:58:31.480
that's what he's good at building skyscrapers without any, you know, Hey boys, the ground's
00:58:41.040
We'll call it the slanted tower, even though that's racist.
00:58:43.800
And so, so it's so, it's so mind boggling because you're going, this is Trump's vaccine.
00:58:54.040
And I'm now being called the far right wing Trump supporting extremist.
00:59:03.820
And then it was easy to go, Oh, the far right wingers, they're the ones that don't care about
00:59:10.300
And I think that divide into those two camps worked so good and is now the norm for everything in
00:59:20.380
Even I'll do shows in Florida and someone will go, Hey, I love your conservative stuff.
00:59:27.700
No, I'm didn't you just hear, I just made fun of Trump and Biden.
00:59:33.560
And that vaccine bullshit has now created these two camps that it's going to be a miracle
00:59:42.880
You said that I had that at a gig where I was doing lots and I like to comment on politics
00:59:49.200
I tend to find myself more on the left or on the right for certain things.
00:59:52.740
Like I think women exist, you know, that kind of thing.
00:59:58.100
I think if you've got, you know, you know, born with tits and a vagina, that makes you
01:00:07.820
I know, you know, so I think, but a lot of the stuff I'm sort of center, center left.
01:00:12.740
Well, soon you're going to, it's going to be more like chauvinistic.
01:00:16.240
You're going to have to go, yeah, one of them, one of those old chess feeders.
01:00:22.560
Bladers and chess feeders, that's how you know it.
01:00:25.060
And like, and I did the stuff and whatever else and I was talking about whatever I was
01:00:29.740
talking about and it was a new material and I came out and I went, okay, that worked,
01:00:33.260
And this guy came up to me and was just like, I really liked your conservative comedy.
01:00:38.260
You know, I like, it's like that right comedy, like right wing comedy.
01:00:42.320
And then like, and then the same thing, this black guy came up to me and went, the racial
01:00:52.680
Like 10 years ago, this would have just been comedy.
01:00:58.240
I love the woke, far left, slightly right, androgynous.
01:01:11.500
They, that, they have, they owe everybody a sum of money for that.
01:01:19.420
And as soon as I stopped watching CNN, people go, oh, so you're a far right Fox guy now.
01:01:23.460
It's like, hello, what about the 99% in the middle?
01:01:31.980
You can't, you can't, I just did a film with the Daily Wire.
01:01:35.380
And just because, you know, Ben Shapiro is a conservative, and by the way, this is brought
01:01:46.900
Because, because the owner's conservative, people are like, oh, you were in that conservative
01:01:54.760
It's like, this was a, this was a classic Western film.
01:01:57.960
What, there were no Trump rallies, you know, on horses or anything, you know, you know,
01:02:12.400
Like, oh, can you believe he's doing this far right film?
01:02:15.140
I'm like, that was the only movie offer I've ever gotten in my life.
01:02:19.240
And I've been auditioning for 17 years, probably thousands of times.
01:02:26.900
And just because it's the Daily Wire doesn't mean it's this thing.
01:02:30.920
And so hopefully that company will continue to make films that are just good.
01:02:36.860
I love their attitude, that conservative thing.
01:02:41.200
I'm like, I hate to break it to you, but Disney, they're not the good guys.
01:02:45.660
Yeah, if you actually met a lot of the owners of these corporations, most of them are likely
01:02:50.900
Because they like, excuse me, not when it comes to sexual practice.
01:02:58.200
That's, have you, now, okay, so have you noticed a difference between London and New
01:03:02.780
York as far as walking around and going, I don't know what, could that be a man or a
01:03:08.460
woman or, and I'm not even being, you know, malicious here, but it's, I'm genuinely confused.
01:03:23.140
Like, and it's confusing in ways that you don't know what you can joke about anymore.
01:03:27.440
What was acceptable, like, a week ago, isn't acceptable now?
01:03:32.480
Like, you can sit, you, a year ago, you could have made this joke, but now, like, we've all
01:03:38.060
This is why I like what Tyler's saying, though, is like, we just all got to stop giving a shit.
01:03:43.440
And, and back to your finding the positive part of it.
01:03:47.040
There is a moment when you have to just go, all right, things are going good for us right
01:03:53.680
You could still make fun of, obviously, because that's, there's a wealth of material.
01:03:58.420
And when people go, you're on the right now, I said, no, I made fun of Trump for four years.
01:04:07.340
He also happens to be dying in front of our eyes of apparently cancer and dementia and
01:04:19.000
Well, this is why Boris Johnson, the conservative party leader in our country, we're supposed
01:04:24.980
We were taking the piss out of him for the entire time he was in office.
01:04:28.720
Because that's what you're supposed to fucking do.
01:04:32.000
And you're supposed to, and if, particularly if you're political, as we both are, you're
01:04:36.180
supposed to make fun of the thing that's happening.
01:04:42.600
You're not, you're not a pro labor comedian or a pro concert, but, but a lot of people pick
01:04:48.140
that team and then they have the fucking audacity to say that because we refuse to pick a team,
01:04:59.680
And we're going, we're just going to be objective in the middle, which makes us the evil guys
01:05:07.800
I don't think a lot of people made fun of Obama.
01:05:09.840
I think that was the beginning of there's certain people based on what they look like that you
01:05:16.100
can't make fun of. And I think I certainly took a break for eight years making fun of
01:05:21.120
politics. I, I plenty made fun of George Bush before.
01:05:26.360
I mean, Obama was a very different character to Bush. He had, whatever you think of his
01:05:30.280
policies, he had an air of respectability. He was a great orator. He was presidential.
01:05:35.820
Yeah. He wasn't making up words like Bush. It was just kind of, you know, it's fantastic.
01:05:40.000
It's wonderful. It's, it's wonder, wonder-tastical.
01:05:48.980
Oh, but that's, this is the other part I was coming to, which is, I think a lot of
01:05:52.900
people, and I include myself in this, invested all our sort of like, all that time we spent
01:05:58.500
jerking off over Martin Luther King. We, we, we channeled that into Obama. You know what
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Like he was the vision that we'd all been working to finally we'd arrived at this great
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By the way, you don't hear about Martin Luther King anymore.
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No, this is my point. Like all of us who were just like, I don't want to live in a
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racist society. I want society to move forward. I want us to get to a point where anyone of
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any race can do anything. That's the dream that our generation, that's what we were looking
01:06:30.100
And then this guy comes along and he, and he's, you know, he's a great speaker. He,
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he manages to persuade a hell of a lot of people.
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And then everyone sort of invests into that because we think finally, look, look, just
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shut, shut up about, like, we've done it. We got there. We're in a good place. We're
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in a healthy place. I think that's why a lot of people were, were extra careful about him
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because it's like, don't, don't fuck with this great thing that we finally got to.
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Sure. Well, this also would, it's just interesting because he's, he's a black man. He's also just
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So it's like with you, we can conveniently choose when he's white, when he's black.
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It's more like with Francis actually, because Francis is obviously half Venezuelan. His
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He's turned out like this. Obama's kind of like that.
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Yeah. I am like Obama, mate. Do you know what I mean? It's always been my fantasy to bomb
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Yeah. But, but it's, it's a way we racially categorize people that it's just so ridiculous.
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It's, it's starting to eat itself up. I, I'm telling comedians who kind of secretly come
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to me now, I go, just sit back and enjoy the show. Because if there's a new rule every
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day that no one's approved of, it's all starting to eat itself up, you know? And a great example
01:07:49.720
was we had a, not a barista, a guy at a bodega or a bogoda, as Jill Biden calls it. A lot of
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taco people eat there. A lot of, you'll find a lot of breakfast tacos eating tacos at the
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bogodas. A guy who was, I believe Middle Eastern or something, was attacked by a black man.
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Right. Yeah. And the, the, the guys, girlfriend even came in and tried stabbing the, the Middle
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Eastern guy. The, the guy was given a knife and stabbed and killed the black guy. Yeah.
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So, okay. This is a new thing. And racism. No white person involved. Yeah. So what do
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you do? Well, the, the less dark guy got punished. Even though he was defending. He got, he was
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charged with murder. Yeah. I mean, the thing is on tape, it is clear as, as day. And so
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to me, I go, here comes the real show because now what do you do when there's no white person
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to blame? Now you have to pick one because that's what they're in the business of doing.
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Well, if you do justice on the basis of people's skill color, skin color, instead of what they've
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actually done, then you eventually get to this point where it gets that ridiculous. Uh, and
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then, I'm sorry. I was just going to say, and also I know that here in New York, in terms
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of, uh, compensation and support that was offered to people post lockdown, that was racially
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Yes. Allocated. And Coleman Hughes, who was sitting in that chair only yesterday. Oh, I just
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met him too. Yeah. Explained basically how, what, if you were white, you didn't get anything.
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And if you were from a different demographic than you did, like it's gonna, it's gonna
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get to a point where it's just ridiculous. Like you say, with this. Well, when it gets
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personal too. So everyone's going to have to hit their like woke rock bottom, right?
01:09:29.400
Woke bottom, whatever you want to call it. That's, that's what it is. You're going to
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reach a point and it's going to likely be financial or you were to a job was taken away
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or your daughter's job. It's like the people that come after me, I go, well, what if you,
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what if your white daughter was told, fuck off, you're white. You can't be an actor.
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You just going to like, let that go. And so it, it's going to reach a point in everyone's
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life where it's too much. I had a gay, let, gay, but Colombian or something. He was gay
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and something else, not white. Let's just, it's easy to say that. Gay, not white comedian,
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reach out to me, got a TV offer for a TV show, but he looked too white. They told him.
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So he's gay, he's Colombian, but he wasn't dark enough. So it was going to be a tough
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sell for them. So we know you suck dick, but yeah. And I think that was you that DMed.
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And so, you know, that was both shocking and not shocking to get that message from him because
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I make fun of everyone, including anyone who's gay or not gay or whatever. So classically,
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he would not be someone reaching out to me or wanting support, but he reached out for
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some support. And so here I am, a white guy offering support to a gay Colombian guy who didn't
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get the job because he can reference that I'm talking about this and taking legal action. So
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it's, the tide is already gone back. I think a lot of comedians, a lot of people are still
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going into this tidal wave that's actually already on the way back. And we're up here swimming. It'd
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be nice, you know, if the ocean was a little colder in here, but we're swimming, we're swimming
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with the tide, I think. Yeah. It's an interesting way to look at it. It is a very interesting way to
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look at it. I think the, the, the reason as well, a lot of people are starting to wake
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up. It's just because the trans shit, it's so insanely mental.
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You, you, you crossed the line with the trans. I told you, but it's just so insane. You're
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just listening to what they'm saying. Like anyone can be a woman. If I identify as a woman, I'm
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a woman. You're like, come on. And there's no such thing as a woman. Yeah. That's the
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thing. It's fun. We're watching these, these car wrecks every day where their two made up
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ideas are just colliding. And it's so fun. It is. It is a lot of the women's March. I
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don't know if you saw this. They tweeted today saying a trans women are women. I didn't hear
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about the women's March. I was at the chest feeding, uh, birthing person March. The bleeder
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convention. You were at the bleeder convention. Anyway, I liked the, the positive note that
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you, that we had there for a second before Francis took it in a negative direction as
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he'd want to. Uh, it's good to end on a positive note. And I think you're right. I think the,
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the, the tide is helpful to where we are. Um, but it's going to take a long time for other
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people to catch up. I think it's going to take some time. Uh, Tyler, it's been great having
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you on before we ask you a couple of questions from our supporters that only they get to see.
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Sure. Uh, the last question. Join locals. Sorry. Join locals and see those answers there. Uh,
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the last question we always ask is what is the one thing that we're not talking about as a society
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that you think we really should be? In America or England? Wherever you want my brother. Here's a
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great one. Back to the joke that the, the bartender told me not to say is the, uh, execution of the tip
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of the penis, no, no, formerly known as circumcision in America. It's, uh, it's so taboo to even talk
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about it. And, uh, and so for me, that's something I'm trying to talk about more. I have a joke about
01:13:12.220
it in my new special because I was made fun of as a kid for not being circumcised. And the more
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research I do, I find out, wait a minute, funny enough. Uh, it's, there's the reason that skin is
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on the penis. So what is that like in England? Is it common? It's not, it's not, it's more common,
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far more common to be uncircumcised. Okay. Prove it.
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All right, here we go. Yeah. Yeah. So, so that's, uh, I find to be very interesting because it's so
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taboo here. Yeah. And you have parents going, I don't want anyone vaccinating my kids or doing
01:13:48.600
anything medical. Yet their baby comes out and they go, you want us to cut his dick off? They go,
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yeah, take them. And they're letting that happen. I think they're doing circumcision wrong in America
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if that's what they're doing. Just cutting his dick off. It's a little far. We cut off the left
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ball. Yeah. And the tip. Yeah. You want them to be right wing. Yeah. You take off the ball. That's
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how we get it back centered. Yeah. But, but in America it's, it is so taboo. And I tell you, when I
01:14:14.760
talk about it on stage, people are sweating and they're terrified. And, uh, and I tell the story in my,
01:14:21.520
in my special, but I, I, all of our friends drew pictures of their penises, uh, with chalk on the
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blacktop and it was all, you know, round penises. And I drew mine as a triangle trying to represent,
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you know, I was only eight and they were like, what the fuck is that? Is that a witch's hat?
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Is that an elephant trunk? And so I started to get bullied from eight years, eight years old on.
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Uh, and I even, it's the reason I dropped out of college. Really? Yes. Because I was dating woman.
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I was so afraid of her seeing my penis because it, in pop culture, we make fun of it on Seinfeld. It's,
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it's known as this like horrendous monster dick. And I was so afraid to show her my penis. And then I
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became depressed and I lost my, and I dropped out of school. Wow. And that's, let me tell you
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something, man. There is nothing wrong with a triangular penis. Exactly. Thank you. There's
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nothing wrong with going full Sharpay, my friend. Exactly. Uh, Tyler Fisher, so great to have you on.
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Uh, where can people find your stuff online? Uh, uncircumcised.com. Uh, it's a support group.
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We're trying to get it. Uncut. Well, my jokes are uncut. You can go to TylerFisher.com.
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It's F-I-S-C-H-E-R. I have a Patreon, Tyler Talks, patreon.com slash Tyler Talks. Uh, my comedy
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special will be out on Patreon in the next few weeks. And then, uh, all social media platforms,
01:15:51.480
Ty the Fish, T-Y the F-I-S-C-H. Fantastic stuff.
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And just look for the, um, the witch's cap, uh, is my penis. It's my penis. Yeah. Picture.
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Fantastic stuff, man. Tyler, thanks so much for coming on. Thank you guys for watching. We'll
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see you and listening. Of course, we'll see you very soon with another brilliant episode like this
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