Comedian James McCann Destroys Triggernometry
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Summary
Comedian James McCann joins Jemele to discuss his new show, Trigonometry, and to discuss the devastating Grenfell Tower fire. Plus, a look at what it's like to be a black comedian in the UK, and what it means to be black in America.
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Yes. Masturbating. I'm trying to stop that.
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Not great. You've got to take back America. I believe in you.
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Yeah. I'm not an Enoch Powell supporter. He was gay.
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I mean he was a gay man who did gay things.
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He was married to a woman his entire life.
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Of course. No married man could participate in homosexuality.
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Made in homosex. I love gay people. Big fan.
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Obviously the gay stuff has to stop, but as people, some of the best.
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Yeah, I'm not going to get arrested in the UK from being on this show.
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I thought you could get away with more things than I thought I could get away with.
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Like really, every strata of society doesn't want to talk about Grenfell Tower.
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And did you try and make jokes about this any time?
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It's not clear from the UK media from abroad that that has stayed with the UK people.
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The Grenfell Tower I wanted to talk about immensely.
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You know, what is comedy but finding where the crack is in someone's...
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You find where the difficult, you know, the points in the body politic that have to be unspooled.
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They wanted to talk about the towers on those mosques.
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And what did you think of London when you were there?
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What were you expecting and what was the reality?
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I thought it would be like Peckham over the whole thing.
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I did go to the convenience store where you can buy a knife next to a ski mask.
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Balaclavas next to the knives behind the counter.
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You should have to go to two shops if you're going to murder people.
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I wouldn't say we've got proper chicken places.
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But the important thing is it's a great country and you're on the way back.
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I got offered a job and I got fired a year and a half ago.
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And I was in Steubenville, Ohio, which is just outside of West Virginia on the Ohio River,
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unemployed and three months of rent and no money.
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And then Shane Gillis said, you can come and open for me and I moved to Austin.
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I always say America is probably the best place in the world to be rich.
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Okay place and a good place to be medium income, but a horrific place to be poor.
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I took, I was, because when I was skinned in like 02, the first time I came to America,
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And I was the only white person on the bus.
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And they looked at me almost as if to say, how has this Jew ruined his life?
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Whereas in the UK, public transport is very normal.
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I mean, you guys really pick graphic design on the buses.
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No, to have a body politic, to have people congeal and love their neighbor.
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Like, you talk to the Aussies and the Europeans, and you go to them.
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You always say it low, because it's kind of taboo, because Americans think you're weird.
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But I have gotten to see a lot more of Spanish-style Austin, which I would never see otherwise.
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I would just drive from my little white suburban neighborhood to the place I work.
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But if I go for a walk, I have a fajita breakfast.
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You don't know what's out there if you are always in the automobile.
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There are more workarounds here for being poor than people think.
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If you keep asking and keep trying, you can get care as a poor person, I discovered.
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Specialists will see you for little money if you call 10 of them.
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They can hit you with a bad bill, but it's not like a third world country for the poor.
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But even in like liberal California, they tried building a high-speed rail between San Francisco
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and LA, and you'd think that would be the easiest thing in the world.
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It's billions of dollars over budget, and it hasn't been built.
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They cannot, they cannot will themselves to have a train.
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You've been here, and you know, you've been in a country where they really have it.
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Rishi Sunak got rid of that high-speed link between the North and Birmingham.
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To build anything basically in Britain is like five times more expensive than anywhere else.
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Because if there's some rare bat that happens to live near where you want to put the train tracks,
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you have to do a multi-million pound consultation.
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We sentimentalize animals like no other nation.
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You can kill people and no one will give a shit.
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Maybe they should say that they're grooming gangs for animals.
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When I was there years ago, everybody knew about the grooming gangs.
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Liberals, Guardian readers would go, oh yeah, the grooming gangs.
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Everybody acknowledges that there was grooming gangs.
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There's an inquiry that is happening now and all the victims and survivors, a lot of them have resigned from it
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because they say the government isn't taking it too seriously and the government isn't taking it seriously enough
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Because Pakistani people from a very particular part of Pakistan are way overrepresented in these crimes.
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If you start addressing that seriously, you then blow the central ideological component out, which is we're all the same.
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America has no pretense to everybody being the same.
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They've got five racial categories and they're very open to they're all different.
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And for different, I mean, really, you know, white people take blame for some things.
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But you guys just clump all the non-whites into one.
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I mean, I don't know if you've got them anymore because people realize it was kind of retarded.
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Asian means Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Indian, etc.
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Which is kind of weird because they all kind of hate each other.
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Like the Indians and the Pakistanis are not best friends.
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But when they come to Britain, they're Asian.
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Yeah, you've got to deal with the grooming gangs.
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I would like Britain to be great, but I don't see...
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When Nigel Farage says we're going to make this a great place again,
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I think what Farage is talking about when he says makes Britain great again is,
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particularly under the EU, we had to live and abide by certain laws and legislations
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So, by becoming independent, we could be the masters of our own destiny.
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Do you think that a factory will be built somewhere at some point?
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You coming back to public transport and cars, right?
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In Europe and in Britain, especially, we have this thing called net zero.
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Even the craziest liberals in America all think...
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All want a big car and want to be able to drive around and have electricity in the house
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and for it to be cheap and free and gas to be, you know, priced at as low as possible and all that.
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In Britain, we want to make energy very expensive to save the planet.
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They were happy to talk about the low emission zone when I was on stage there.
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Low emission zone, that's starting to be something people were.
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You've got these very niche talking points about Britain.
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I just stumbled around for two weeks and spoke to some people.
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There was a lot of people wanting to complain about the low emission zone.
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That's like a nasty rumor about him that I found out about.
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I don't think she would marry a man who did that.
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It almost makes you wonder why you brought it up.
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These are the things I heard about when I was in the UK.
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There's this lady who writes for the Atlantic now.
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Now, we would disagree about almost everything.
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When they were in charge of the new Statesman podcast, that was a great podcast.
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It seemed like the Labor Party might be cool and groovy and people would like them.
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Because your stand-up deals with a lot of America, your love of America, in particular
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the quirky little idiosyncrasies of this country, of this beautiful nation.
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I don't really believe in immigration and being able to become someone you weren't born
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You don't believe in trans-positioning for immigration?
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No, I mean, look, it's a great country and I like college football and I like traveling
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But there is this gulf between them and that I, to become American feels.
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I think maybe as a Commonwealth person that some kind of irony, I don't want to, that's
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And, you know, from the countries of the monarchy, we dig on America and we go, they don't understand
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They don't have the bleakness and the darkness that we have in our soul.
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And Jews in America, they've got that sense of humor.
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They've got nice things to say about the Jews capacity for cynicism.
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But yeah, in the greater America, there's a, there's a puritanism here and like a, childishness
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makes it sound bad, but there's like a, yeah, optimism and hope.
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I don't know what to do with it, but it's also true.
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I mean, they have that and then they've built a beautiful, huge, powerful con.
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I'm sorry to turn it back, but you guys have, I mean, when you were running an empire,
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When did all the cynicism start with the Brits?
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It was, you thought you were going to be home for Christmas?
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You lost the moral legitimacy in owning other countries.
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Do you think we should go back out there and reestablish what is ours?
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I think that would be an interesting start for the, not for the other countries.
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That might be really bad for them, but for Britain's feeling of a purpose and a place
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Is India better off for having lost the British hand?
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You gave them railroads and infrastructure and you kept the peace between the Muslim and
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This is, this is like my favorite British, you know, like they go to a wife, but it's
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like some commander of the British army and they, the Indians start burning their wives
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And the British go, it's our culture not to let people burn their wives.
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It was after the man had died, the woman would have to be burned to join him.
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And yeah, who wouldn't like, it's very nice, the British.
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And when I go there, boy, it feels like home in the UK.
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Because I'm looking at you and you look a little Irish to me, James McCann.
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I mean, they're not as open to saying some nice things happened with the British.
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Obviously Ireland for the Irish and up the Ra and all the good stuff.
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But we've got to acknowledge, we've got to acknowledge that there was given to me.
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Shane does not endorse sectarian violence in the UK.
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Well, I would like it if kneecap were not addicted to cocaine so visibly.
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I've never met them, but everything I see from them, they look very...
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I don't think that's the spirit of Irish independence, is it?
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Just to be gacked out of your mind all the time?
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The thing about kneecaps that I find very troubling is their music is good.
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So it doesn't matter the crazy shit that they say.
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Well, I mean, I'm not saying it doesn't matter.
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This is where Hamas have a big problem, long term.
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Graham Norton has a sort of lyrical quality to it.
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I'm not sure he's an up-the-rock kind of guy, but yeah.
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I reckon if you get Graham Norton after a couple of drinks.
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Well, we could talk about sectarian violence with him.
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Wouldn't that be fun to go on the Graham Norton show and get...
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That's my dream, is to have eight Guinnesses and by the end be going,
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I mean, it would be a fantastic way to end your career in his.
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Here's the thing about the BBC, which every single person in the UK will say,
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The comedy the BBC produced and Channel 4, those sitcoms were the best...
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You've done nothing to compare with The Simpsons.
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But I will say, you've done a very good job otherwise.
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Don't come over here in my Airbnb with its beautiful design.
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How dare you speak that way about the emerging religion in your country?
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As the Church of England withers on the vine, it's over for them.
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I know you asked that at the end about what's the one thing we should talk about.
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Church of England is collapsing and no one's talking about it.
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Well, the Church of England basically is like become uber woke.
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You're letting ladies perform the priestly rites?
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Going on the road, going to hotels, being all alone.
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I mean, they give you a Bible so you can read it afterwards and cleanse yourself.
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There's often a Book of Mormon next to Gideon's Bible.
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Someone's never been suicidal in an American hotel room.
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It's amazing because there's so many Mormons in this country, but in England, it's seen
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If you say to a person in the UK about the Mormons and they say, name one thing, they'll
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It's all about manifest destiny and how good America is.
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So I can understand if you guys are unhappy about that.
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You tried to take America back once and it didn't pan out.
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The country's just gone to shit and he happens to be in charge and he can't do anything to not make it work.
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Is it noticeably more shit than it was ten years ago?
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There are people who hate Keir Starmer and they're all on the left.
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I guess what I'm saying is it's not actually his fault.
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Who can't fix the problems of the country because they're very hard to fix.
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Before the empire, you were, what, a pirate state?
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In terms of world importance, before the 1500s, what did Britain...
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And you give up the empire and you go, why is it all falling apart?
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It's because you're not extracting wealth from Africa.
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I think you have to choose between being a great country and accepting a mediocre place
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And sadly, that would require a lot of violence.
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But you're going to become the Singapore of Europe?
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Switzerland has an independence to it that the Brits don't even want.
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You have European continental ideology on the...
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Certainly Normandy, you have a historical right to.
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I'm excited to get to speak to anyone who knows the name of more than one king.
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Is that because you're Catholic and he set up the Church of England?
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I'm pretty sure that Henry established the Church of England.
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He was the first head of the Church of England.
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He maintains that they're still part of the Catholic Church, but that he happens to be the head of that church, specifically in England.
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He doesn't break with them on doctrinal points, and I think he acknowledges papal supremacy in the rest of the Church.
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I mean, do you know the Blake poem, the song Jerusalem?
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This is the conspiracy that Christ in his youth goes to Britain and establishes the Church there before he establishes it in Jerusalem and nearby Rome.
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And thus, there is some sort of weird clandestine British supremacy that he can lay claim to.
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That does sound very like some of these American religions who believe that Jesus...
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Once again, they're just aping the British cultural trend.
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In 153408, he'll tell himself to bring your head.
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Get that on Wikipedia and do a little deeper dive.
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This is the problem with the modern world, right here.
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You present them with facts about their crazy little conspiracy theory
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There's four people in this room that don't agree with you.
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No one is not invested in the Church of England.
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I don't think there's anything you can do in Britain to get executed.
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But, boy, do you not think the Church of England collapsing is the big problem ultimately facing your country?
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The fact that we don't have a religion which leaves a vacuum at the heart of culture.
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Which therefore means that there's nothing that we all agree on.
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There is like a weird love of the Constitution here that I've never encountered anywhere else.
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You know, how much does the Governor General get paid per year?
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There's not a lot of rights enclosed in the Australian Constitution.
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Well, they have a freedom of religion so freedom of speech is implied.
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Do you want that enshrined by law or do you want that as a norm?
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Because norms are subject to change and laws aren't.
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Like my view is it's much better to have a society where no one kills each other
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And to the extent that you can achieve that, that's better.
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But you've lost the norm of free speech in the UK.
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I think the only way is to enshrine it in law and then to have it tested in the court of law.
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Or maybe we could stop teaching three-year-olds that if someone said something that hurt their
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And there have been attempts to sort of wrestle that.
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But like Toby Young spent the last 15 or whatever years trying to take over.
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I spoke to a lot of people when I was there trying to figure out...
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He used to have the funniest articles in The Spectator every time.
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So, I looked into what he was doing and then it seems like...
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I mean, the right was not really interested in holding on to the institutions anywhere
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And maybe that's pivoting back now, but I don't...
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I mean, in America, boy, the right is trying to march through the institutions in a big way.
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Certainly, it's making a lot of people very unhappy.
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And there's big protests and the New York Times is going livid.
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But that's what that whole project 2025 thing is, is let's stack...
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They call it the deep state, but you just have the civil service.
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All right, this is weird, because reform is probably going to win this next election.
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If the election's held today and they don't change, you know,
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if they don't get preferential voting instead of first-past-the-post,
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All right, then you have three, four hundred reform guys in Parliament.
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Whatever that Oxbridge, BBC, Guardian Reading, whatever that thing is.
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That is the real fight, because it needs what is called root and branch reform.
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Because what the minister does is the minister of, let's say, of health presents it to the civil servants.
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But if the civil servants don't want to enact the policy...
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...then the strategies they use is they don't refuse to do it.
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They just make it really difficult, make it slow, tedious, arduous.
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So by the time it gets through, instead of taking weeks or a month, it will take months, if not years.
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This is yes, minister, and yes, prime minister.
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You, as a country, you're very comfortable with...
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You had a sitcom explaining that that's how it worked.
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And then Americans, they go, there's a deep state, and people freak out and go, no, there's not.
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And it's like, well, of course there's people running the government who have jobs, who aren't just elected,
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I mean, Thatcher sort of steps out of wanting to even attempt to remedy that.
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They just go, we'll make government smaller.
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We won't try and keep government as it is, but put our people in there instead of the other
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I mean, if people thought, is Nigel Farage trying to do that?
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Part of what they want to do is cut the number of civil servants, get rid of all the ones that
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are ideologically possessed, so to speak, et cetera.
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But the actual biggest challenge for reform, you talk about 300, 400 guys in parliament,
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Who are good people, who are conscientious people, who don't have a scandal rating?
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But you also then have to be charismatic, because this is the difference between the
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President Trump needed like 10 people to be the face of his team.
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He can pick his cabinet from the general population.
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There's not an easy pipeline in Britain, I wouldn't think.
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They've got a lot of like puritanical small colleges here.
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They've got, they've got a whole, I don't want to say right wing, but they've got a right wing,
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but they've got a right wing infrastructure of academia and journalism that is not,
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you have an aristocracy, you have the Tories, but they don't seem to be a part of this reform thing.
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No, because, no, the Conservative Party isn't really kind of fit for purpose if we're being honest,
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because the problem is, exactly, he has an allergic reaction to them.
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But it's 14 years that they were in power and they did, you know, they did nothing.
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And in the words of Kemi Badenoch, the current leader, who was in government at the time,
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we talked right and governed left, which basically admits that they gaslit a nation,
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I mean, yeah, the immigration thing is, it's a big issue.
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Well, I didn't want to talk about Enoch Powell.
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There was a Rest His History podcast about him recently.
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And what they don't acknowledge is that the things that he, they do very briefly,
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they acknowledge that a lot of what he said has come to pass.
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You guys didn't want to believe that Enoch Powell was gay.
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I mean, he was a gay man who did gay things.
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He was married to a woman his entire life.
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No married man could participate in homosex.
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People have a right to be attracted to people of the same sex.
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But the crux of that speech that is the rivers of blood speech seems to be,
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he's worried about the native population of Britain's response to the immigration.
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There is like, there is a, there looks like from outside,
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there's a groundswell of anti-immigrant feeling.
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But I don't, I don't think it's fair to say that that's what Enoch Powell was worried about.
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He was worried about the way that, at least I understand it,
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the fact that the native population would be put in a position of relative weakness
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He, so there's the, that expression that the, whatever,
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the black man will have the whip hand over.
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he's saying the thing to be worried about is the response of white Britons,
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uh, as they have that feeling, not that it'll take place.
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I think he's, he's doing an odd, he's, there's more nuance in that speech than I think.
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Francis, when you said, when you said to me, let's get James McCann the comedian,
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I did not think we'd be talking about Enoch Powell being gay.
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Oh, we've gone quiet over Enoch Powell being gay, have we?
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He, so he, so just from you, the people won't be able to hear that.
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Allegedly one of his tutors said that he had a homosexual affair.
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But then someone else said he just hadn't met any girls yet,
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Because I think that's why you guys hate him,
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and you won't listen to the nuance of what he was saying in that speech
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And I think that's wrong, and you should be more open.
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Well, you're a Catholic, you should think that's right.
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We, I don't know if you know this, there's a lot of gay guys in the Catholic.
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I finally, finally, they're talking about Enoch Powell.
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Well, you guys, you weren't able to have a coherent conversation about immigration.
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Like, I mean, all of Europe has done this, and then they seem to be overreacting.
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I would like a nice centre-right government who can have a normal amount of immigration
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Because in Britain, we had a nice centre-right government, which was the Tories, who governed
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like they were completely left-wing, who left the borders open, who allowed illegal immigration
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I mean, the scale of it, I don't know if you heard me say this, but the year I came to Britain,
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which is 95, 96, depending on when you start counting, 55,000 people a year came to the
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Applied for a visa, came with a passport, blah, blah, blah.
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That's the number of people who come to Britain illegally right now, every year.
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So more people came to Britain legally in the last 20 years than the entire history of
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Isn't that an important part of your culture, to be swamped by people who weren't born there
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I mean, as far as the invasions of Britain go, this one is pretty smooth.
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If you view it as immigration, terrible failure.
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If you think of it as an invasion, it's really nice.
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People before has an invasion had so much back and forth and meal sharing and beautiful
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Sexual assault levels are not what you'd expect from a Viking court.
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But if that's the extent of the rape that's happening across from a wave of invasion, I
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mean, the people of Germany, when the Soviets were coming in, they would have dreamed for levels
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I mean, also, when the Soviets came over, the Germans didn't give them benefits and stays
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Well, you know, it is and it isn't because I've always said this as an immigrant myself.
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I don't really understand why people who are not citizens of the country would receive
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Well, it's sad to watch someone die of an illness that you could fix.
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I would exclude healthcare from that personally, but what I'm saying is, if you can't sustain
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yourself in the country to which you've immigrated, then you should go to your country.
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I mean, in Australia, this is never the conversation is about benefits and immigrants and things,
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I don't know of a country in the Northern Hemisphere that's having this, but it's quite
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I mean, there's a big sea and there's a lot of policemen in the sea.
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But we've got very wealthy people from India and China coming and they can support themselves,
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The housing market is flooded with new arrivals.
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We've got hundreds of thousands of people showing up and we can't build houses quick
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And there's still the unease, even though there's not the benefit conversation.
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I haven't been there for it, but it looks like they're not happy.
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You know what I always found interesting about Australia is that on the one hand, you've
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got this macho sporting culture, like, you know, the bloke, the Aussie bloke.
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But you've also, you went pretty woke and a bit.
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He picks this as a problem almost a hundred years ago, I think.
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So, you're going to get, I don't want to be, again, deterministic about this, but that
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breeds a certain kind of, you know, success looks more effeminate when you don't have land
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and farming and all the things I don't want to do.
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I mean, isn't the, isn't what's going to be required to stop these immigration problems
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This is sort of camp of the saints type territory.
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But, you know, I mean, we're talking, I mean, in Europe, they're talking about putting people
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And in this country, they're rounding people, they're stopping you on the street and they're
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bundling you into a van and you have to go over there.
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No one likes, no one is a big fan of what actually getting on top of immigration looks
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I don't know about no one, but I get your point, which is a small number of, yeah.
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The way I, what I see from the American right is there are a lot of people that are not only
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If your country has been invaded, as you described it with millions of people, I understand why
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people in that moment start to prioritize solving the problem more than their compassion.
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And that will happen naturally when, when that's the situation.
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But your point, I think broadly is correct, which is the bulk of the general public believe
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in a border, but also don't want to see the things that are now happening for that border
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Which is why it's better to have a border in the first place.
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But I will say, I mean, I, I'm, I'm meeting many, I don't know, right wing luminaries in
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I don't see anybody comfortable with, you know, kids being split up or people bundled into
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On the internet, I see, I felt this about the Charlie Kirk thing, where there are all
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I didn't meet anyone who actually felt that way.
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I see people do it, you know, on their Twitter account do it.
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But to what extent are these people actually existing in the world as.
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But then counter, counter argument would be, I remember a hell of a lot of people that I
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Uh, in 2015 going, I don't know anyone who voted Brexit.
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And I'm going, well, that's not necessarily a reflection of what the sentiment is.
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Um, and the, I mean, the evidence is that there are increasing numbers of people on both
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left and right in this country and in others that think political violence is justified.
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Like you guys, the Brits, they really, you guys were taxing tea and they started killing
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And then America, they always got, we don't like political violence, but all their greatest
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And how many presidents have been assassinated or shot?
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I was like, is this like when he said Enoch Powell was gay?
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The thing is, is not only is America violent politically, America is just a very violent
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Like you look at the movies, like you, for instance, look at, there's some great Aussie movies,
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I was also going to say Chopper, but that totally undermines.
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We've destroyed the premise of your argument, but go ahead and make it.
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It's just every movie, American movie, seems to have violence running through it.
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So the murder rate, the homicide rate is here is five times what it is in Britain.
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If you look closer at those numbers in some places, that number's very low here.
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What he's saying is rates of violence are higher in certain areas than in others.
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In the Hamptons, there's not a big murder rate.
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So you don't want to talk about this, but you besmirched a good name of Enoch Powell.
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I didn't know I was coming on the Philo Enoch podcast.
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I wonder, there will be a lot of people who are like, who are not fans of ours because they are fans of Enoch, who are watching this going, I love this guy.
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I think we should be more open to some of the gay people in our lives.
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Next thing you're going to say, he was non-binary.
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Not to the, again, the sex practices, no one should be masturbating, no one should be having sex outside of marriage.
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I mean, they were practicing intercural lovemaking.
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It was shameful to have sex in the bottom, so they would have sex with the legs.
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You would push the legs together of the young men.
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You don't know about intercural lovemaking?
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There is nobody I've ever met who knows about intercural lovemaking.
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They've been looking at your thick, beautiful legs.
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It's the only one that I think I might have got wrong.
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Quite an intercural lovemaking in the Church of England nowadays, let me tell you.
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You're going to need a better transition wherever you're going.
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Remember the first time we interviewed Theo Vaughn?
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We, on that episode, we were kind of like, we were kind of excited to be there.
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And then we went home and interviewed Theo Vaughn, completely stoned off our heads.
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And, um, crowned by him saying, uh, you guys have, we call it autism, which is one of the
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To this day, we get people coming up to us saying that.
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I think I'm just on my, do you think the spike in low level autism is something to
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do with the fact we're all on a phone now for four hours a day?
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Because if you think about what a mobile phone is, it's a permanent distraction tool.
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So it would therefore make sense that your ability to concentrate is severely diminished
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So we've got to get rid, that's why I got the small phone.
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I got a black and white one that just didn't work very well.
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It had like a Kindle screen and a, you know, it just, you do need a phone to function.
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But it's also a, also a writer who writes about, he's dead now, but he wrote about technology
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and that a tool can be good in the first phase.
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Um, and then you build a society for the car and that's dreadful because we're all in traffic
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and we've changed the way that everybody lives.
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Mark Barnes, he introduced me to this idea and they've got a great magazine on it.
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And then we build the whole society for the phone.
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The signage on the freeway is dreadful if you don't have GPS now.
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We live in a society where it's almost impossible to live without a mobile phone.
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In a way that 20 years ago it was all built different.
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But we've got to have some sort, meet us halfway, phone making companies that if you want it
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to not destroy your life, that should also be an option.
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You should be allowed to live in a society without having a technology that's making you
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But for them, the more you are on your phone, the better it is for them.
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I'm open to the government stepping in, having a special government phone.
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It's a problem that I have, that I love charismatic people.
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People didn't want to believe that about Jimmy Savile.
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Gary Glitter, who I think is still at large doing terrible things, but what a songwriter.
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They still play his music during the Super Bowl.
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Rock and Roll Part Two, when he was dancing down the steps.
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There was controversy that Gary Glitter made money out of that as well as a state.
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And it's an iconic scene in modern cinematic history.
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Finally, we've reached the subject of pedophilia.
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Alright, the Charlie Kirk assassination did get people to stop talking about that letter
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that Trump wrote to Epstein with a drawing on it?
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That wasn't the first thing to go through my head.
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Well, if they were huge boobs, he would be vindicated as just being a man who loved women.
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But the boobs are very small on the drawing.
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I was hurt when the boobs were too small on the drawing.
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I'd just like to remind everybody James is a comedian.
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He's not alleging that the President of the United States is in fact a pedophile.
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It's not the sort of thing you can walk back very easily.
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I would like an explanation for the small boob.
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I might be worth bearing that in mind after everything you've just said.
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If we ever interviewed President Trump, we'll be sure to ask him.
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Wait, but the size of boobs is not necessarily correlated with...
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Like, I remember when I was at school, I'm not going to say her name because it's kind of embarrassing, but I was 14.
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There was a 14-year-old girl at my school who had absolutely giant tits.
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Well, that's what the far left would be saying if the drawing had big boobs.
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But since it was not booby, we have to accept that there is a symbolism to a small boob, separate from the real world.
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There is a visual language of a small boob and what that conveys.
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James, you cling to your unsubstantiated theory.
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Henry VIII was the supreme leader or whatever, the ayatollah of the Church of England.
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Let's look up how deep that break went and what happened under Elizabeth and whether or not there was a shift under her.
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And then this whole thing with the small boobs.
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I'm just saying that's not evidence of Peter Phillips.
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I'm saying that if I was writing a birthday card.
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Let's not pretend that's not an open political question at this point and a difficult one.
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The Trump administration was in real trouble before that assassination.
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Every comment on all the Trump pictures on Instagram was released the Epstein files.
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Seems like it could have gotten bigger, but it went smaller.
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But if she is, she's got to get the Pulitzer Prize.
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Her career can now only go one of two ways.
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It has to either end or she's celebrated as the greatest journalist of modern times.
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Isn't that an exciting historical moment to find ourselves in?
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This is what happens when you spend too much time in America.
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Like, look, I know that this is probably true, but what if this?
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There's nobody at the other end of the field, James.
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Whether or not there's someone at the other end of the field.
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But don't we love that she gets the freedom to explore a dangerous idea?
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Sounds like people hate freedom on this podcast.
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I don't think I've said anything that will get me in trouble.
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I think what you said about Enoch was positively blasphemous.
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I just think we should all look more closely at the difficult historical questions.
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What's the one thing that we're not talking about?
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Honestly, the collapse of the Church of England.
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You're going to be a Catholic country again, and while I celebrate that, I think it's weird
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and I think it's odd that no one's talking about the total collapse of the Church of England.
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Doctrinal fractures ripping through the, whatever they call that, conference.
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I go to a church in London, which is a Church of England church.
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You were against me using anecdotal evidence before.
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I think if we look at the census numbers, it's not strong.
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And it was all done in the hope that they could connect with the youth, and it didn't happen.
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The youth turned away, and the baby boomers got to feel hip with the guitar music.
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And the lady up there, and the, you know what I'm saying?
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This is a huge, I just don't know why no one's talking about the collapse of the Church of England.
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The evangelical thing in South America is, I see no one really reflecting on that in a meaningful way.
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There is no more emotional religion than the Catholics in South America.
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So many statues covered with blood, weeping, special medals.
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But it's that prosperity gospel that's getting underway there that spooks me.
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You killed so many people to get rid of the Catholics and they're back.
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You do pick the strangest subjects to get angry about.
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