TRIGGERnometry - Count Dankula on Being Arrested for a Joke (on location at Backyard Comedy Club)

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to trigonometry i'm francis foster i'm constantin kisser and this is a show

00:00:10.640 for you if you're bored of watching people actually do you know what um we've got a very

00:00:14.840 special guest for you this week guys quite simply we've realized we haven't pissed off enough people

00:00:19.460 so we've invited a very special guest on who will wind up a few more yes you will i guess this week

00:00:24.960 is a controversial youtube comedian count dankula welcome to trigonometry how you doing yeah it's

00:00:30.380 good to have you man uh listen for anyone who doesn't know you let's just quickly get the whole

00:00:34.260 thing out of the way you're known for the nazi pug video which you made for youtube which went

00:00:38.580 viral you had a core case that resulted from that tell us very quickly about that for anyone who

00:00:42.900 doesn't know i made a joke and get arrested essentially my girlfriend was constantly going

00:00:48.440 on about how cute and adorable her pug was she wouldn't shut up about it i thought it would be

00:00:53.060 funny to teach the dog to do horrific things like Nazi salute and react to the phrase gas the Jews

00:00:59.220 and I made a video of it it went online it went viral I got arrested I went through a two-year

00:01:05.960 trial which lasted twice as long as the Nuremberg trials and ultimately I was found guilty and they

00:01:13.240 fined £800 which I've refused to pay and so now it's just a case of waiting for the cops to come

00:01:19.660 and get me. Well obviously this wasn't in the UK you were living in North Korea at the time.

00:01:23.060 No, no, this was in the United People's Republic of Scotland.

00:01:29.000 So, yeah, that's when it all went down, yeah.

00:01:31.720 Right. And where are you with it now?

00:01:33.540 Because you've had a bunch of appeals and stuff like that.

00:01:36.020 I ended up, I went through,

00:01:38.460 tried to go through the actual regular appeal process.

00:01:41.940 The way it works is there's like a sift process.

00:01:44.880 It's basically to stop people from wasting the appeals court's time.

00:01:48.060 For example, a man could walk into the police station

00:01:51.380 with his decapitated wife's head in his hand

00:01:53.480 with a USB stick containing the video

00:01:55.700 of him doing it and then he would go

00:01:57.680 I want to appeal

00:01:58.360 so it was a system set up

00:02:01.560 to prevent people like that from

00:02:03.400 wasting the appeal court's time and what happens

00:02:05.520 is at the first stage one judge reviews

00:02:07.620 it and it was basically a huge

00:02:09.460 feels before reels

00:02:11.240 thing where he basically told me I was

00:02:13.640 lucky I didn't go to jail

00:02:14.920 and he even threatened my lawyer with contempt

00:02:17.560 of court for doing his job

00:02:19.620 and ended up the second time

00:02:22.380 after that we appealed again, the second sift

00:02:24.500 it got rejected, we then did

00:02:26.360 something called nobile efficuum

00:02:28.020 which is where you appeal to the highest judge

00:02:30.060 in the land going, can you please hear me

00:02:32.520 out because I'm getting fucked up here

00:02:34.080 we then went in front of the highest judge

00:02:36.460 in the land who went no

00:02:37.680 and then just sent us on our way

00:02:40.300 so that was a very expensive no

00:02:42.060 and now the only thing we've really got left

00:02:44.420 is the Scottish Criminal Case Review Commission

00:02:46.440 which can take months and I could

00:02:48.460 get picked up at any time and do my time in jail before they even process their submission.

00:02:55.180 So, yeah, it's shit. It's pretty shit, yeah.

00:02:58.140 So, how long could you do in jail, essentially?

00:03:02.300 And more importantly, this is the thing that blew my mind, what did you get charged with?

00:03:06.520 It was section 127, the Communications Act of 2003, posting an offensive message or offensive

00:03:15.680 content on a social media platform so it was i was literally convicted over causing gross offense

00:03:22.460 something which is a completely subjective and also you know they kind of replaced my intent

00:03:29.580 and removed the context of what i did in order to secure that conviction because here's the thing

00:03:34.800 that worries me it's like who gets to judge what is offensive like i'm a west ham fan i find their

00:03:39.740 back four at times grossly offensive you know infuriating and but who's to who makes that

00:03:46.280 judgment the scottish courts that's what the prosecution of the crown said he says that

00:03:50.660 people don't get to decide what they find offensive the court gets to decide what isn't isn't offensive

00:03:56.500 i am not joking he literally said that did they not also say the context and intent are irrelevant

00:04:02.740 yeah he said that they were allowed to woefully ignore certain contextual parts of the evidence

00:04:09.320 they said that they were allowed to do that

00:04:11.520 so basically we are allowed to disregard

00:04:13.520 context

00:04:14.240 so basically they said that there's parts of the evidence

00:04:17.280 that we are allowed to completely dismiss

00:04:18.820 and that's what he said

00:04:19.960 he's a massive authoritarian

00:04:23.700 like the prosecutor, I don't know

00:04:25.360 if it's a case of he actually believes those things

00:04:27.280 or he just really really wanted a win

00:04:28.800 because he was going ham

00:04:31.280 there was even a few things that he said

00:04:33.000 where the judge raised a bit of an eyebrow

00:04:34.640 like come on man that's a little bit extreme

00:04:37.340 but he won in the end

00:04:39.880 I mean, that's incredible to say that context is not important.

00:04:43.660 So that basically dismisses irony.

00:04:46.220 Basically, the entire cast of Django is looking at life.

00:04:50.940 Context doesn't matter.

00:04:52.100 Then they're looking at some serious hard labor.

00:04:54.640 It's interesting with the implications,

00:04:56.020 because I haven't mentioned we're here at the Backyard Comedy Club,

00:04:58.620 and Marcus is about to do a set here tonight.

00:05:00.980 By the time this video goes out, he will already have done a set.

00:05:03.540 So for comedy, and for any comedy, whether that's online,

00:05:06.820 whether that's comedians going on stage like us stand-up comedians what are the implications of

00:05:11.420 this because this is scary stuff man well it's a case of a precedent has now been set where you

00:05:15.580 know context doesn't matter your intent doesn't matter even if there's evidence supporting what

00:05:20.340 your intent was that can all be ignored and disregarded courts can essentially guess the

00:05:25.180 thoughts which are in your head when you you know said the joke and they can decide for themselves

00:05:31.340 the reason why you said it if even if you're on stage going i'm doing a comedy gig i'm saying

00:05:36.100 these things to be funny

00:05:37.620 the judge can go no you said it because you were being racist

00:05:40.400 that's literally where

00:05:42.260 we're at right now and people are saying

00:05:43.700 oh no it's not going to happen, it's not going to happen but we've

00:05:46.160 already had arrests happen

00:05:48.000 we've had Chelsea Russell, we've had one

00:05:50.000 guy who got the police at his door because he

00:05:51.900 liked a tweet containing a limerick

00:05:54.160 about trans people, the police actually contacted

00:05:56.380 him to say we just

00:05:58.260 wanted to call you to check your thinking

00:06:00.240 and oh man

00:06:01.980 see how we were commenting on this earlier

00:06:04.100 but it's like whenever people say thought police

00:06:06.420 people used to go and roll their eyes

00:06:08.160 people aren't rolling their eyes so much anymore

00:06:10.040 especially when you get the police calling you

00:06:12.040 to say that they're there to literally

00:06:13.660 check your thinking

00:06:15.180 that's terrifying, that's the road that we're going down

00:06:18.320 and I've been trying to raise more awareness

00:06:20.360 about this for the last two years

00:06:21.640 I mean, there'll be some people who say

00:06:24.140 right, okay, why don't you just pay the 800 quid

00:06:26.300 get it over it, get it done

00:06:27.860 800 quid isn't a big deal

00:06:29.360 I'm Scottish, they're not going to fucking pay me

00:06:31.640 pay the government money

00:06:34.280 sorry I'm from London mate

00:06:36.420 I'll pay 800 quid to park a car

00:06:38.120 it's like the poll tax all over again

00:06:41.000 yeah it is mate

00:06:42.060 join us for episode 2

00:06:45.460 where Marcus glasses me in a pub

00:06:47.160 so anyway

00:06:48.840 I take it that brings us on to the Tories

00:06:50.860 no but

00:06:53.500 it's a case of

00:06:54.440 I shouldn't be facing any punishment at all

00:06:56.440 so I'm just going to be a salty stick in the mud

00:06:59.040 I'm going to go fuck you're fine

00:07:00.240 I'm not paying you're fucking fine

00:07:01.480 all I did was hurt people's feelings

00:07:03.740 like why, I mean think of everything I've been

00:07:05.680 through like so far when I'm losing all my jobs

00:07:07.840 I'm getting depressed, constantly harassing me and my

00:07:09.760 family and it's like, you know, sure

00:07:11.640 you'd think that would be enough but they're like no

00:07:13.380 we want this £800 and it's the thing they want

00:07:15.780 and they're not fucking getting it, I'm not paying the money

00:07:17.800 Well and the thing is as well, we had a chat about this

00:07:19.660 for your documentary that the BBC

00:07:21.580 are doing about you, right, what you were saying is

00:07:23.740 you haven't paid the fine and they should have

00:07:25.760 come and taken you off to jail already

00:07:27.960 but they haven't

00:07:29.320 Well, this was the thing.

00:07:30.320 I think the final date was the 26th of October.

00:07:34.680 And it was a case of, you know, after that date passed, I went, cool, here we are.

00:07:38.080 It's go time.

00:07:39.060 It's go time.

00:07:39.620 Any second now, I'm going to get that knock at the door.

00:07:41.820 But like two weeks passed.

00:07:44.180 And I was like, what's going on?

00:07:46.720 Where the hell are they?

00:07:47.540 And I ended up going, Christmas is coming.

00:07:49.680 I'm getting married next year.

00:07:50.960 Let's just rip this off like a plaster and get it over and done with.

00:07:54.180 So I called the cops on myself and just basically went, hello.

00:07:57.460 I'd like to report a Nazi

00:07:59.280 I'd like to report me

00:08:01.200 and I was like

00:08:02.820 you've got my address, you've got this, you've got that

00:08:05.320 and I was like when are you coming to get me and they said

00:08:07.020 we're not going to come and get you until your name flags

00:08:09.460 up on the computer

00:08:10.280 so literally I get saved by bureaucracy

00:08:13.380 but I was

00:08:15.140 even like but I'm here on the phone

00:08:17.580 with you now telling you where I am

00:08:19.420 and they wouldn't come and get me

00:08:21.200 so I'm probably going to get picked up at the

00:08:23.300 most inopportune time

00:08:25.180 probably you know as I'm getting shipped

00:08:27.380 to my house

00:08:27.940 to the wedding venue

00:08:28.920 or something like that

00:08:30.040 probably then

00:08:30.840 wouldn't be surprised

00:08:31.660 Saved by the police

00:08:32.620 Yeah

00:08:33.020 Sitting in the back

00:08:34.780 of the car

00:08:35.220 like thanks guys

00:08:36.040 No worries

00:08:38.180 You really helped me out

00:08:39.720 Yeah

00:08:40.000 Well listen man

00:08:40.960 you wanted to piss off

00:08:41.800 your girlfriend

00:08:42.180 it looks like that's

00:08:42.860 really going to happen now

00:08:43.680 Well it works

00:08:44.260 every time there's an argument

00:08:45.200 she brings it up

00:08:45.980 You know how

00:08:46.440 when you have relationships

00:08:47.440 when she's got that

00:08:48.360 one thing you did

00:08:49.320 years ago

00:08:50.140 that she always brings up

00:08:51.320 that's me

00:08:52.060 That's the one

00:08:53.500 that she always brings up

00:08:54.320 You hadn't have taught

00:08:55.180 that dog to do a Nazi silo

00:08:56.920 none of this would have happened but you know what's interesting is let's explore the counter

00:09:01.120 argument because there are some people who say what you do was normalize hate speech you know

00:09:06.000 it's anti-semitic where do you stand on that normalizing hate speech we've always how's hate

00:09:11.200 speech more prevalent you know if you look at the last century people are hella racist people

00:09:16.260 were extremely racist or how can hate crime and all that be on their eyes like yeah it's getting

00:09:20.380 reported no more because it's now catalogued as a law as a crime we now have metrics by which to

00:09:25.900 measured it but in the past we didn't but society was hella racist back then racism is on the

00:09:30.640 decrease so everyone's saying like you've normalized what i've normalized something that is in fact

00:09:35.120 fading away well i guess what francis is saying is by showing those images where if someone is

00:09:41.280 stupid enough to take what you did literally right right let's just because they would have to be

00:09:46.560 really stupid yeah that would be a new level of stupid yeah right exactly although to be fair

00:09:50.520 there probably is

00:09:51.260 the dog made me do it

00:09:55.340 in your honor

00:09:55.740 that dog has a point

00:09:57.760 there is a stat from America that 7%

00:10:01.060 of Americans think that chocolate milk

00:10:02.740 comes from brown cows

00:10:03.920 so there are people that are stupid enough

00:10:07.200 so let's just play the argument

00:10:08.740 the counter argument

00:10:09.440 let's say that there are people who are stupid enough

00:10:11.880 and maybe racist enough to take that literally

00:10:13.940 and they're going to go oh it's acceptable now

00:10:16.220 to do Nazi themed

00:10:17.920 dog training videos

00:10:19.520 and they're going to then be emboldened

00:10:22.020 I'll tell you what, it might craft some more interesting

00:10:23.980 See man

00:10:24.480 A legion of pugs walking

00:10:31.040 Straight to Poland

00:10:33.480 Man, I'm trying to play devil's advocate

00:10:35.900 but this argument is so fucking stupid

00:10:38.300 I can't even get it out

00:10:39.580 I understand what you're trying to say

00:10:41.420 if people see the video and then they get inspired

00:10:44.020 like, oh, you know, doing that is okay

00:10:46.180 well it would depend on the context in which they're doing it

00:10:48.520 like see for example if they did it with like a kitten or something like that like if it's a cute

00:10:52.520 thing but it's sort of if someone did it with a pig that would be kind of funny yeah as well like

00:10:56.380 that'd be quite good then yeah and that'd be okay see if a guy just dresses up as a Nazi and starts

00:11:01.660 hanging around the synagogue shouting at that's when I'd be like whoa hold on now that's that's

00:11:05.940 not you know that's not funny if you're shouting threats at Jews well dressed as a Nazi like it's

00:11:10.440 different but like the context is the dog the animal and as far as I've had a few people say

00:11:15.300 your video could actually directly inspire violence from people if anyone watches my video

00:11:22.080 and that inspires them to go out and commit violence then anything fucking would have an

00:11:27.000 episode of fucking peppa pig would have fucking done it man it's like if that video caused that

00:11:31.280 person to go out and come out and act of violence then the bar was very very low like that person

00:11:36.880 was going to commit a violent act sooner or later like i don't see you know that that problem's with

00:11:41.800 them you know if people look at a piece of entertainment and they interpret it into you

00:11:46.400 know real world horrific acts you know it's the same as making the argument that video games

00:11:50.700 cause violence heavy metal causes devil worship uh jazz music causes white women to dance with

00:11:56.700 black men that was one in the 40s by the way that's real that was a thing they actually tried

00:12:01.040 to push but like it's just making those same arguments where it's a case even though media

00:12:06.240 is done with a certain intent to be entertainment to be funny people try and take it and try and

00:12:11.780 it into the real life not realizing no it's just entertainment that's all this is and see if anyone

00:12:16.500 transforms entertainment not seeing it for what it is and transforms it into real world horrific

00:12:21.980 actions then they deserve to be in a jail cell and society's better off without them to be honest

00:12:25.740 because there's people like that that are ruining it for everybody else because basically the only

00:12:30.600 way to get around that stuff is just to make everything walking on eggshells you know don't

00:12:35.500 say or do certain things in case some maniac decides to do something mental with the information

00:12:40.800 he received, I mean, do you think the author of Catch-22

00:12:42.860 knew that that guy was going to pop off

00:12:44.960 John Lennon?

00:12:46.880 That was a catch on the rye.

00:12:49.080 I keep getting those mixed up, yeah, it was a catch

00:12:50.880 on the rye. He didn't know that, he wasn't

00:12:52.860 trying to inspire that.

00:12:54.420 I wasn't trying to inspire that with what I

00:12:56.880 did, but that's the argument

00:12:58.680 people try and make, and the only way to

00:13:00.820 comply with their

00:13:02.720 demands is to literally censor the

00:13:04.720 vast majority of media and make it so

00:13:06.520 milquetoast, which would just overall restrict

00:13:08.800 expression. And where do you stand on this

00:13:10.880 issue of freedom of speech? Do you think there is a problem

00:13:12.780 with freedom of speech in this country?

00:13:14.780 Yeah, I believe there is. There's certain things

00:13:16.860 that, government-wise,

00:13:18.800 there's certain things that you'd see. If it's someone directly

00:13:20.800 inciting violence, then I do

00:13:22.760 have an understanding. Personally, I'm

00:13:24.720 an absolutist, but I'm prepared to make

00:13:26.860 some concessions in certain areas.

00:13:29.000 I'm not one of these. I'm going to stamp the ground

00:13:30.820 until I get my way, like what sort of people

00:13:32.760 I'm prepared to meet in the middle.

00:13:35.320 As far as there's certain things

00:13:36.800 where all you're doing is being offensive

00:13:38.420 and you're getting arrested for it.

00:13:40.120 For example, you know, the Chelsea Russell case.

00:13:42.660 She posted rap lyrics on her Instagram

00:13:44.180 that contained the N-word.

00:13:46.840 I'm trying not to get you demonetised.

00:13:49.560 On my channel, I would just say it, right?

00:13:52.340 But I won't get you hit, right?

00:13:54.620 Basically, she posted rap lyrics on her Instagram.

00:13:57.320 She was arrested.

00:13:58.280 Context didn't matter.

00:13:59.480 She now has a criminal record

00:14:00.540 and she was tagged and had to pay a fine.

00:14:02.500 There was also the people that burned

00:14:04.520 the Grenfell Tower effigy,

00:14:06.040 which I thought was pretty spicy.

00:14:07.900 even by my standards

00:14:09.100 when I heard about that

00:14:10.460 I watched the video

00:14:11.360 and I was like

00:14:11.820 Jesus

00:14:12.780 that was a bit much

00:14:13.920 even for me

00:14:14.580 and they got a whole

00:14:15.880 police investigation

00:14:16.680 the police were going

00:14:17.360 through their trash

00:14:18.220 and everything

00:14:19.100 to find stuff on them

00:14:19.940 so stuff like that

00:14:20.720 they've made it a crime

00:14:22.360 to be an arsehole

00:14:23.060 Chelsea Russell's not an arsehole

00:14:24.860 I want to make that clear

00:14:26.320 the Grenfell Tower guys

00:14:27.740 yeah it's very easy

00:14:28.300 to make that argument

00:14:28.860 that they were arseholes

00:14:29.720 but like

00:14:30.620 it's just

00:14:31.560 being a bit of a dick

00:14:32.680 has become a crime

00:14:33.440 like if you have

00:14:34.860 an argument with someone

00:14:35.740 in public as well

00:14:36.540 I don't know if you've seen

00:14:37.600 the police's hate crime operational

00:14:40.160 guidance handbook

00:14:41.860 it comes down to perception

00:14:43.760 like say for example if you were

00:14:45.900 gay, are you?

00:14:47.900 nah, damn

00:14:48.720 you were the only man

00:14:51.940 to ever say that

00:14:52.760 no but like say for example

00:14:56.080 you were gay and we're walking down the street

00:14:57.860 we accidentally, we bang into each other

00:15:00.120 and I turn the radio and go watch where you're fucking going

00:15:02.140 and I walk away, right

00:15:03.600 now you as a gay man, I didn't say a slur to you

00:15:06.340 I don't know anything about you. See, if you perceive that the reason I did that or said that

00:15:12.900 to you came from a place of bigoted hatred, that's enough for an arrest. The victim's perception is

00:15:18.700 what matters. Basically, the victim gets to decide what was in that person's head. The victim gets

00:15:24.060 to decide the person's intent. And where do you think we're going to go with this? Do you think

00:15:27.760 it's a slippery slope? The gloves are off now and it's going to get worse? Authoritarianism,

00:15:32.760 And that's the path that we're going down now.

00:15:34.420 I mean, it's a case of, we've noticed a trend.

00:15:37.580 When you look at places like North Korea and China and all that as well,

00:15:40.240 they didn't happen overnight.

00:15:42.120 It was baby steps.

00:15:43.000 You know, if you just try, you know, a country can't just turn around and go,

00:15:46.420 we're just going to go full authoritarian, boys.

00:15:48.380 There would be riots, everybody would kick off, everyone would get angry.

00:15:51.140 And it's, Jordan Peterson described it the best way,

00:15:53.080 where the government will encroach, you know, two inches and keep going

00:15:56.900 until people start to get really angry and then it will stop.

00:15:59.440 Then it will wait until everyone calms down.

00:16:01.140 and then it will encroach a little bit more

00:16:02.960 until they get angry and stop

00:16:04.060 and they'll just keep doing it

00:16:05.060 and doing it and doing it.

00:16:05.900 And we had it with terrorism.

00:16:07.980 You know, the America Get the Patriot Act.

00:16:09.780 You know, we had things like

00:16:10.660 the Snoopers Charter.

00:16:11.840 Oh, it's all for terrorism.

00:16:12.760 It's all for terrorism.

00:16:13.560 The government gathering more and more power.

00:16:15.660 And then you had basically diversity

00:16:18.340 and stuff like that.

00:16:19.140 Oh, why would you be against this?

00:16:20.320 You know, the government controlling

00:16:21.120 what you can say

00:16:22.340 and the things you can write

00:16:23.260 and the type of ways you can express yourself.

00:16:24.920 Oh, but it's in the name of diversity.

00:16:26.160 Why would you be against that?

00:16:27.380 Racist.

00:16:28.620 Like that's, it's basically,

00:16:29.940 it's not just a case of the government

00:16:31.020 doing what it's one the government also has a bunch of brainwashed useful idiots that are on

00:16:35.180 their side allowing the government to do this and basically we're trying to point it out like do you

00:16:38.580 not see the government are using this as an excuse to grab more power and that's what they're doing

00:16:43.540 like when was when was the last time apart from like really really archaic like when was the last

00:16:48.280 time the government got rid of a law that gave it a hell of a lot more power like like even

00:16:54.900 surveillance laws and all that as well you know basically you're you can be monitored constantly

00:16:58.900 and we were fine with it

00:17:00.660 because we were like

00:17:01.280 oh but it protects us

00:17:02.140 from terrorism

00:17:02.760 yeah well

00:17:04.080 terrorism still happens

00:17:05.120 doesn't it

00:17:05.580 so it's obviously

00:17:06.060 not working that way

00:17:07.020 and like you say

00:17:08.140 I think a few years

00:17:08.860 it would be a few years ago now

00:17:10.200 but one of the first uses

00:17:11.920 of this new terrorist legislation

00:17:13.340 they arrested a pension

00:17:14.340 at the Labour Party conference

00:17:15.600 for shouting at one of the ministers

00:17:17.300 or something

00:17:17.820 that was terrorism

00:17:19.180 yeah that was

00:17:19.900 they used anti-terrorism legislation

00:17:22.020 to arrest that guy

00:17:22.560 a lot of terrorists

00:17:23.220 in the world of man

00:17:23.800 it's going pretty mental

00:17:26.020 but listen

00:17:26.540 one thing I wanted to ask you

00:17:27.660 because I think a lot of people

00:17:28.500 wouldn't know this and you know when we had a long chat that came up is actually the impact of

00:17:33.660 like you know you're joking about it you know there's funny things about it but also there

00:17:38.580 was an impact on you in terms of your employment your work your life and i think a lot of people

00:17:43.300 wouldn't know that so maybe tell us a little bit about that oh it's the case of um i had jobs i

00:17:48.760 was working in security but then whenever i tried to get you know security is a mix and match you

00:17:53.140 just usually get a text for your phone can you do a shift but whenever i tried to get stable

00:17:56.680 employment while doing security on top of it basically i would i believe some of them i tried

00:18:01.620 to be honest in the interview going i'm just going to be real you guys right now never got a call

00:18:05.800 back so then i tried to keep it secret just so that i could get a job and then in all the places

00:18:09.520 i got into you know after a week or so or in one case on my first day i got i got recognized people

00:18:15.560 knew who i was and just that was me straight out the door gone and also basically because because

00:18:20.020 because of the nazi pug thing you know that basically what would they say to you they would

00:18:23.980 turn around and say oh i would do this to the company i would do that to the company even though

00:18:27.900 most of the companies that actually did fire me got a lot more shit for firing me than they would

00:18:33.480 have for like letting me work there because people managed to find out one of the security firms that

00:18:37.320 i worked for and now my boss at the time he loved it he would get angry calls like people going i

00:18:43.780 can't believe you hire him you've got an actually working for you and he would sit there going like

00:18:46.940 that yeah what you gonna do about it and he would go like no i'm not firing him in fact i'm gonna

00:18:51.700 offer him extra shifts

00:18:52.680 but

00:18:52.940 he loved it

00:18:54.800 I miss him

00:18:55.560 but

00:18:56.720 yeah

00:18:57.600 it was just

00:18:58.680 so it was

00:18:59.780 being unemployable

00:19:00.780 and it's a case of

00:19:01.440 I'm just trying to keep

00:19:02.520 the ball rolling

00:19:03.060 with my YouTube

00:19:03.520 and all that

00:19:03.940 because see after this

00:19:04.720 is gone

00:19:05.360 you know

00:19:06.200 what can I do

00:19:07.360 there's no job

00:19:08.700 there's no place

00:19:09.280 that will hire me

00:19:10.540 and other than

00:19:11.460 you know

00:19:11.640 maybe after that

00:19:12.260 I'll start arguing

00:19:12.900 in favour of the

00:19:13.640 welfare state

00:19:14.280 what's this space

00:19:17.020 but like

00:19:18.160 so that's why

00:19:19.120 I'm trying to do

00:19:19.920 what I do

00:19:20.280 but I'm still getting

00:19:20.820 attacked for

00:19:21.280 what I'm doing. And I'm sort of like, am I allowed to feed myself? Am I allowed to keep

00:19:27.020 a roof over my head? What do you want me to do? They keep going after me no matter what

00:19:31.860 area I go into. It's a case of like, okay, then we'll make an agreement. I'll drop everything.

00:19:36.700 I'll stop being all free speech. I'll stop being all right wing and all that stuff. And

00:19:40.340 I'll just go and get a normal job. They wouldn't even let me have that. So I'm kind of stuck

00:19:45.920 and what I'm doing.

00:19:46.800 And what's it, I mean,

00:19:48.180 we joke about it

00:19:49.440 and it is funny, you know,

00:19:50.720 and the ridiculousness

00:19:51.840 and all the rest of it.

00:19:52.840 But being called a Nazi

00:19:54.060 is a pretty vicious thing

00:19:56.100 to do to them.

00:19:56.860 It's white noise to me now.

00:19:58.800 It doesn't,

00:19:59.300 the word has lost all meaning.

00:20:00.680 It's like the McGurk effect

00:20:01.700 when you hear the same thing

00:20:02.680 over and over again.

00:20:03.540 It starts to just lose

00:20:04.960 its meaning and enunciation

00:20:06.120 and everything.

00:20:06.880 Like, that's what it is now.

00:20:08.720 None of these people

00:20:09.500 know what actual Nazis are.

00:20:10.920 Like, even in that chat

00:20:12.320 I had with that gentleman yesterday,

00:20:13.800 he didn't even know.

00:20:14.900 he thinks like

00:20:16.400 so just for anyone

00:20:17.340 who doesn't know

00:20:17.740 you had a chat

00:20:18.400 with a left-leaning comedian

00:20:20.000 that I helpfully

00:20:21.220 sent you away

00:20:22.040 left-leaning

00:20:23.020 I think it was

00:20:23.960 a little bit more

00:20:24.620 than leaning

00:20:25.080 but yeah

00:20:25.980 I think he loves them

00:20:27.300 but

00:20:27.580 he's flat on the left

00:20:30.860 oh yeah

00:20:31.640 so left-wing

00:20:33.200 he's hanging off the plane

00:20:34.180 but like

00:20:35.460 he

00:20:35.840 he doesn't know

00:20:36.880 what it was either

00:20:37.440 basically

00:20:37.780 he thinks that

00:20:38.680 wanting to

00:20:40.040 deport

00:20:41.460 illegal immigrants

00:20:42.620 but being completely fine

00:20:43.880 with the legal ones

00:20:44.520 being here he thinks that's far right and i was just no not at all and i was then he thinks that

00:20:51.660 not wanting to associate with gay people is far right if you were calling for the deaths of or

00:20:56.180 banning of homosexuality yeah that's far right yeah that's far right a lot of muslim countries

00:21:01.240 do that i'm just saying i thought you didn't want to get us demonetized it's not it's not it's not

00:21:08.520 you it's me i feel like you're breaking up with me but it's like that type of stuff as well like

00:21:16.420 these the overton window has shifted so much that even being a libertarian is considered far right

00:21:24.000 like that's what i would consider myself i have a lot of libertarian values everyone's like

00:21:27.620 or you know the government should have seen sexuality and everything i was like how about

00:21:31.820 the government has no fucking say where is that the government's business yeah that man like

00:21:35.360 going oh we need government recognition why it's not your dad's oh man it's like you don't need

00:21:40.380 you know validation from the government i don't give a fuck what the government thinks about me

00:21:43.980 you need to recognize my sexuality maybe you're a little bit needy oh man government's not stopping

00:21:49.300 you from sucking dick i'm sorry i'm fucking your monetization man but on the whole being called

00:21:56.880 the nazi thing it's like amazing to us because we do this show francis is probably more left-leaning

00:22:01.500 that I'm kind of

00:22:02.540 somewhere in the centre

00:22:03.280 immigrant

00:22:04.120 immigrant with the

00:22:05.380 Jewish heritage

00:22:06.060 yeah yeah

00:22:06.560 obviously that's it

00:22:08.120 no but people are

00:22:09.140 calling us far right

00:22:10.360 I've been called

00:22:11.000 alt-right

00:22:11.560 pro-fascist

00:22:12.740 pro-fascist obviously

00:22:13.780 crypto-fascist

00:22:14.740 that's a good one

00:22:15.980 that's a good one

00:22:16.580 that's the one

00:22:17.660 where you're a fascist

00:22:18.480 but you don't know

00:22:19.200 or but they do

00:22:19.880 they always know

00:22:20.840 so much better

00:22:21.400 they know your own

00:22:22.360 mind so much better

00:22:23.240 than you

00:22:23.560 crypto-fascism

00:22:24.880 yeah

00:22:25.280 that sounds like

00:22:26.020 a really good board game

00:22:27.220 I do

00:22:27.680 I use crypto-authoritarian

00:22:30.220 as I'm back at them

00:22:31.080 and they get really angry

00:22:31.940 when you use their own language back at them.

00:22:35.260 So, and all we do on the show

00:22:37.540 is we try to talk to different people

00:22:38.940 and we just let them say their piece,

00:22:40.640 like we've done with you, right?

00:22:41.680 We've tried to challenge you a little bit.

00:22:43.180 We've tried to listen to you.

00:22:44.100 We don't interrupt you.

00:22:44.940 We don't try and pretend that you meant something

00:22:46.760 that you didn't mean or anything.

00:22:48.120 And that now is far right.

00:22:50.340 Yeah.

00:22:50.620 And it's like, where do you go from here?

00:22:52.600 This is the most,

00:22:54.260 see the most progress that I have seen

00:22:56.480 comes from talking to people.

00:22:58.460 It comes from talking to people

00:22:59.740 because people use my associations on me all the time you spoke to tommy once slightly yeah like

00:23:06.520 nearly a year ago and all that but like oh you're in uk you know nagel farage blah blah blah and

00:23:11.300 it's like oh your associations these associations are what i'm basing my opinions of you on and i'm

00:23:16.480 just like well i hang out with communists i talk to anarchists talk to like full-on liberals social

00:23:22.060 democrats and everybody i'm like why why are they getting ignored like i speak to them too

00:23:27.680 So why are you not interested in them?

00:23:29.140 It's because I speak to everyone.

00:23:30.720 They only get mad about the ones that, you know,

00:23:32.520 they like to be mad about these guys.

00:23:34.020 But when you speak to someone that doesn't suit their narrative,

00:23:36.720 they're not interested.

00:23:37.900 Because I've noticed that, see,

00:23:39.100 I've had people who've hated me, outright hated me.

00:23:42.320 But see, when I've approached them and had a chat with them,

00:23:43.900 we talk regularly now.

00:23:45.660 I'm not going to say their names

00:23:46.640 because they won't outright admit that they talk to me.

00:23:49.780 Because basically they could lose their jobs and shit.

00:23:52.000 Or they'll get shit from their own side.

00:23:54.780 because it's sort of, you know, don't hang out

00:23:56.900 with the smelly kids

00:23:57.720 that's literally the mentality that it is

00:24:00.700 but see how, in bringing people sort of

00:24:02.800 back from the extremes

00:24:03.980 like, see, going out and speaking to

00:24:06.880 them is what does that, like you see

00:24:08.220 how many times have you seen Nazis or white supremacists

00:24:11.160 you know, get deplatformed, get fab

00:24:12.840 from their jobs, get, you know, punched

00:24:14.780 and all that, has that ever

00:24:16.740 made any of them change their opinion?

00:24:19.640 No, no, it hasn't

00:24:20.880 but speaking to them does

00:24:22.400 because one of the fears

00:24:24.300 that I've identified in the far right

00:24:26.240 is they think even if they

00:24:28.080 abandon their beliefs, society will

00:24:30.140 still shun them. They're like, I can't come back

00:24:32.080 because society... It's like what you're talking about

00:24:34.020 with you. Yeah, society sees

00:24:36.200 Nazism as, that shit

00:24:38.100 don't wash off, like that's forever.

00:24:40.720 Right? But even though I

00:24:42.120 thought we used to like the nice stories of a guy that was

00:24:44.140 like, I was in the KKK for years and now

00:24:46.060 I'm not, and you know, I'm here with my black

00:24:48.140 wife and my wife's son.

00:24:50.540 That's type of stuff, right? Like people used

00:24:52.100 to love those stories but now it's a case of yeah redemption is good you know when you hear i used

00:24:56.520 to be an outright racist i'm not anymore now i'm a good productive member of society good those are

00:25:01.600 lovely stories that's excellent but not anymore and it's like the far right know this where some

00:25:06.380 of them go i want to leave but i'm not going to be accepted back nobody wants me back and all they

00:25:12.200 can do is hang around with the far writers you know getting further and further you know just

00:25:16.180 becoming ideologues because they're not hearing conflicting opinions whereas if you hold out you

00:25:20.700 know the friendly hand invite them out for a drink be nice to them and basically make it clear

00:25:24.460 to them you know if you abandon your beliefs and come back to the light you know we'll be here for

00:25:29.060 you and everything and that works that works if you reach out to them and be nice and that you'll

00:25:34.320 get people go oh he's asking you to be nice to nazis i was like well it works like come up with

00:25:39.260 a better one because you just beating them up in the streets not fucking working my man so if

00:25:43.140 anything my idea is more effective so why are you booing me i'm right like that type of shit so

00:25:48.760 and you've got a lot of criticism

00:25:51.140 for being a UKIP supporter haven't you

00:25:53.140 can you just explain a little bit

00:25:55.520 why you support UKIP

00:25:57.600 it's just because

00:25:58.740 no other party cares about freedom of speech

00:26:01.060 none of them do

00:26:01.860 and everyone seems to think that

00:26:03.320 I'm fully 100% ideologically aligned

00:26:06.100 do you know how funny it is

00:26:08.020 bringing up the concept

00:26:10.340 of legalising weed at a UKIP meeting

00:26:12.160 I love doing it

00:26:14.960 I love doing it

00:26:15.900 because I think we should legalise weed

00:26:18.600 but when you mention it in the room, they're like

00:26:20.340 and they get all upset and everything

00:26:22.620 and I'm like, no, we should do it

00:26:24.020 but also

00:26:25.220 I'm also still a Scottish nationalist

00:26:27.940 as well, which really

00:26:30.580 upsets them, but

00:26:31.540 they're the only party that care about freedom

00:26:34.560 of speech, none of the other ones

00:26:36.720 do, Labour don't care, Tories don't care

00:26:38.460 Lib Dems, who

00:26:39.740 you know, so

00:26:42.260 that's the problem, see

00:26:44.000 and then you get people that go, why don't you associate with

00:26:46.580 why don't you speak at any left wing free speech events

00:26:49.380 where are they

00:26:50.860 where are they

00:26:52.380 find me a left wing free speech event

00:26:54.220 I'll happily go and speak at it

00:26:56.220 because most of the people on the left wing

00:26:58.620 aren't having their free speech attacked

00:27:00.020 I've seen people on the left wing getting their free speech attacked

00:27:02.780 because they're not left enough

00:27:04.540 most of it is coming from the authoritarian left

00:27:07.680 who are really really shocking

00:27:09.760 everyone's like oh the rise in the far right

00:27:11.500 it's the authoritarian left that you want to watch

00:27:13.780 they're the ones that are growing in massive numbers

00:27:16.340 and it's universities that are doing it.

00:27:20.080 Well, we know a little bit about that.

00:27:25.560 Listen, our time is almost up.

00:27:27.340 We would love to chat to you for longer,

00:27:28.720 but you're a busy man.

00:27:29.480 You're performing here tonight

00:27:30.600 and we've got to let you go.

00:27:31.760 So final question, Francis, go for it.

00:27:34.080 The one we always do,

00:27:35.220 what are the things that we're not talking about

00:27:38.220 as a society, but we really need to be?

00:27:41.000 Extermination of fuddies.

00:27:43.300 Okay.

00:27:43.660 you're not just talking about people with beards right no no no no no we can kill them that's

00:27:49.180 fine um i'm worried as furries are furries are protected class do you know what a furry is

00:27:54.780 i don't no this is brilliant you don't know what a furry is no oh my boy um

00:28:00.200 a furry is a person yeah who adopts an anthropomorphized animal persona sometimes

00:28:08.260 they just like to role play sometimes there is a bit of a sexual element they'll even take it to

00:28:12.460 the full extent of buying a full

00:28:14.380 fursuit. So they self-identify as a

00:28:16.560 rabbit? Pretty much, yeah. These fursuits

00:28:18.600 go for thousands, by the way, I found out, and

00:28:20.560 they'll have events, they'll role-play

00:28:22.460 and they'll have a lot of fun

00:28:24.560 and I think if they want to be

00:28:26.400 animals, then it should be legal for us to hunt them.

00:28:34.620 Well, we were going to piss people off

00:28:36.440 and now we have.

00:28:38.280 Do you know what? We've lost our one furry listener.

00:28:40.620 i'm out i was with everything not now too far that's fine they were gonna get shot anyway

00:28:48.500 listen uh man thanks so thank you so much for coming in uh follow marcus on twitter watch his

00:28:56.980 youtube channel uh and as always subscribe to us on youtube at trigger pod on all the social media

00:29:01.700 and we will see you very soon with another episode uh absolutely see you oh by the way like share do

00:29:06.960 all the rest of it.

00:29:07.800 Do you reckon you can train a rabbit to be an answer?

00:29:10.600 Maybe.

00:29:11.440 Well, we've got an expert here, man.

00:29:12.360 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:13.200 We get a whole legion of them.

00:29:14.720 Give me a week.

00:29:16.800 And on that note, guys, thanks a lot.

00:29:18.400 See you next week.

00:29:19.240 Bye-bye.

00:29:36.960 Thank you.

TRIGGERnometry - February 24, 2019

Count Dankula on Being Arrested for a Joke (on location at Backyard Comedy Club)

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