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00:00:30.000 Hello, everybody, and welcome to this very live, very special report on everything that's been going on at Davos and, of course, Greenland.

00:00:38.940 We are joined by a former guest of ours, been on the show a number of times.

00:00:43.300 She's advised two U.S. presidents, I think, Pippa, I'm right in saying, Dr. Pippa Malmgren,

00:00:48.000 and your late father, who was someone we both really respected as well, advised four U.S. presidents.

00:00:52.880 So, collectively, I think you've got a hell of a lot of knowledge about this.

00:00:56.880 And behind you, we can actually see Greenland, which is a country I didn't really expect to become relevant in a territory, but it has.

00:01:05.440 So, first and foremost, crazy stuff has been going on at Davos, so much to talk about.

00:01:11.720 Explain to people who've been living their lives, feeding their families, going to their things, not really paying too much attention.

00:01:20.220 What on earth is going on?

00:01:22.960 Okay. It's so great to see you guys, first of all.

00:01:26.700 And, gosh, you know, I know you started out as comedians, and this is a moment where we need humor in dealing with this issue because it's a lot of heavy stuff.

00:01:35.680 So, bottom line is, the United States has said to its NATO partners that it needs to have a greater presence on the island of Greenland, which is the largest island in the world.

00:01:48.440 It's an Arctic island, and there it is in the background.

00:01:51.380 It's cold and snowing here.

00:01:52.620 And under the terms of a treaty from 1951, the United States does have the right to do pretty much anything it wants to militarily here.

00:02:02.940 So, the island is part of the kingdom of Denmark, but it is strategic security-wise aligned with the United States.

00:02:11.320 The Greenlanders, and there are only 58,000 of them that live here, they have been going through a process of a kind of a long, slow divorce with Denmark.

00:02:23.600 But it's not a finished divorce.

00:02:26.100 They're not independent yet.

00:02:28.060 And their view is they want to be independent of all of you guys.

00:02:31.120 And they're annoyed because when President Trump said, well, we've just got to have Greenland, and he used the language, we'll take it if we have to, because they're like, wait, we live here, so you can't just take it.

00:02:45.940 So, everybody's been on very high stress around this.

00:02:49.200 I would give you my personal view based on my background working on geopolitics globally, but also I've been very focused for the last five years or so on the geopolitics of the Arctic to try to understand why is this happening?

00:03:03.420 And I think part of the answer is Ukraine.

00:03:07.060 So, the president's trying to bring the war in Ukraine to an end.

00:03:11.620 So far, pretty much everybody agrees.

00:03:14.420 Russia says, yes, we'll get to an agreement.

00:03:17.180 Ukraine now says, yes, we'll get to an agreement.

00:03:20.560 The parties that say, no, we want to continue the war are the Europeans for a variety of different reasons. 0.99

00:03:27.800 And so, the president says, okay, well, the U.S. doesn't want to continue in this war, and we think it's a stupid war.

00:03:34.000 And if you guys want to carry on, then Greenland becomes critically important, because where would Russian nuclear weapons, either on submarines or ships, 0.83

00:03:46.380 where would they come through towards the United States?

00:03:49.960 They would come through this physical space known as the Jiyuk Gap, the Greenland-Iceland-UK Gap.

00:03:56.760 And it's literally the body of water between Greenland, Iceland, and the United Kingdom, Scotland.

00:04:02.420 That becomes a place you would have to have a close eye on to see whether the Russians were bringing nuclear weapons into the Atlantic.

00:04:10.380 So, they're like, obviously, Russia's going to escalate if the Europeans continue with the war.

00:04:16.280 How would they do that?

00:04:17.480 Nuclear.

00:04:18.420 Where would they do that?

00:04:19.480 Potentially also aiming at the United Kingdom, because Scotland is the base for all of Britain's nuclear capability.

00:04:29.200 If Britain wants to continue the war, that becomes, call it a target.

00:04:33.400 And so, that's one reason, but I'll give you one more.

00:04:37.140 And it's one that is never mentioned in the press.

00:04:40.060 And that is that the Arctic is now central to the space race.

00:04:43.960 So, there's a massive race going on between the U.S. and China, especially, to get into space.

00:04:50.800 Now, you say, well, wait, don't we have enough problems here on Earth?

00:04:53.600 Why are we spending all this money on space?

00:04:56.140 And the answer is because it represents three very important things.

00:05:00.720 The unlimited energy, unlimited resources, without having to dig Earth up anymore, and unlimited Internet connectivity.

00:05:09.460 The unlimited energy is space-based solar power, where you beam energy from space to Earth in radio waves, so it's safe.

00:05:18.960 And now you can have energy anywhere you want.

00:05:21.260 That is progressing very fast.

00:05:23.760 Already, Google has announced the Suncatcher project.

00:05:26.320 So, they're saying, we're going to put our data centers in orbit and on the moon, and we're going to beam back not just data, but energy.

00:05:33.640 Plus, the moon, it turns out, has very special moon dust.

00:05:39.800 It's called regolith.

00:05:41.020 And in the regolith is something called helium-3.

00:05:44.220 Now, helium-3 is very rare on Earth.

00:05:46.780 We found a patch of it in Minnesota, but it's very hard to find it on Earth.

00:05:51.400 But there's loads of it on the moon.

00:05:53.340 So, there's a race to get to it because helium-3 is very densely packed energy.

00:05:58.480 And you need it to do nuclear fusion, and we're getting closer to nuclear fusion, which would be unlimited energy.

00:06:04.920 And you need it to do quantum computing because you use it to cool down the computers.

00:06:10.520 So, it matters who gets there first.

00:06:13.460 And then the second is resources, asteroid mining, which sounds far away, but it's coming.

00:06:18.420 And third is the connection, and the key to the Arctic is the connection to the megaconstellations of satellites that surround Earth.

00:06:26.160 One of the best ways to get the data to Earth, and then to you and me and our cell phones, is through one point in the Arctic called Svalbard.

00:06:37.360 And that is the ground station for the polar satellites and the polar-related data that then connects to the subsea cables and ends up on your phone and lets you use Uber Eats or DoorDash or whatever it is you use to order food at your door.

00:06:52.340 Now, in 2022, somebody started cutting the internet cables that connect the space link to the subsea cables, which is the fastest internet cable in the world.

00:07:04.700 And you're like, why is that in the Arctic?

00:07:06.900 And the answer is because this is the, like, umbilical cord for data from space to connect to everything around Earth.

00:07:16.200 So, if somebody's cutting the cable, then there's suddenly a need to have a backup.

00:07:20.600 Now, where would you have a backup?

00:07:22.400 You need another Arctic site.

00:07:24.200 So, where should there be other ground stations?

00:07:27.040 Greenland would be one.

00:07:28.540 And that helps explain why the United States is suddenly making this a super high priority,

00:07:33.640 is because there's a point of vulnerability in what the Pentagon now calls the most important warfighting domain, which is space.

00:07:42.340 So, that's another reason why this is suddenly happening.

00:07:46.040 Well, we'll come back to Greenland in a moment.

00:07:48.520 But it's interesting that you talk about it in that way because that is not remotely the way it's being talked about in the media.

00:07:55.280 It's not remotely the way it's being talked about by politicians.

00:07:58.760 And what I saw at Davos, there were lots of different things happening at Davos.

00:08:03.480 One of them was, to broaden out the discussion before we come back to the Greenland issue, 0.96

00:08:07.860 is kind of a lot of people who've been doing a lot of the stupid stuff that Europe has been doing for a long time, 0.99

00:08:13.920 suddenly standing up and saying, you know, we've been doing a lot of stupid stuff, 1.00

00:08:17.960 and now we've got to stop doing the stupid stuff. 1.00

00:08:20.340 Is that the Trump effect? 1.00

00:08:23.140 Is that something else that's happening there?

00:08:25.800 To see Mark Carney talking about, oh, actually, you know, countries need to produce their own energy,

00:08:31.080 and they need to have an army to defend themselves, and all this stuff that, you know,

00:08:34.540 we've all been saying for a very long time,

00:08:36.840 suddenly these great bastions of this liberal worldview,

00:08:40.660 I don't know if I call it liberal, but whatever it is,

00:08:42.960 are suddenly aware of this all of a sudden.

00:08:45.040 Is that because Trump made them, or is there something else going on?

00:08:47.760 Yeah, no, in fact, it was super fascinating.

00:08:51.480 The Prime Minister of Canada, Mark Carney, actually said in his speech,

00:08:56.920 something to the effect of a nation cannot continue to work in a rule system that renders it subordinate.

00:09:05.620 And Trump would say, exactly, that's been my point all along.

00:09:10.820 Right.

00:09:11.520 You got it, great.

00:09:13.440 And there is this quality of the conversation,

00:09:16.540 and I do think it is Trump.

00:09:18.860 The thing about Trump is that, first of all,

00:09:21.040 we have to now, like, put a sports commentator hat on,

00:09:24.380 because people are so emotional.

00:09:26.700 Whether they love him or they hate him.

00:09:29.260 But as someone who is an analyst of global geopolitics,

00:09:32.400 I'm like, okay, let's park our tribal allegiances for just a moment,

00:09:37.240 and instead be like a sports commentator,

00:09:39.340 just analyze the play, like what is happening on the field.

00:09:42.440 And the reality is that what is happening is that nations everywhere are saying,

00:09:47.980 actually, the rules-based system that we've had has hollowed out our economies,

00:09:55.960 has not delivered on the promise, and therefore we should rethink this.

00:10:01.440 They don't want to turn and say, thank you, Donald Trump,

00:10:04.400 for reintroducing the idea that sovereignty matters,

00:10:07.380 because they're like, we hate that guy.

00:10:08.820 But instead, they acknowledge that something has to change.

00:10:13.460 And I've been thinking about this a lot, how to describe this argument.

00:10:18.000 And I'm going to try this out on you guys.

00:10:20.220 I think it's fundamentally a fight between priests and power.

00:10:26.220 And by that, what I mean is you have a kind of high priest of the world economy,

00:10:30.880 of which, you know, my dad was one.

00:10:32.740 I've been involved in that.

00:10:34.000 And there's a kind of belief system that you have to buy into to be part of that.

00:10:42.020 And that was called broadly globalization.

00:10:46.280 And the old globalization meant all the jobs went to China,

00:10:49.660 and everybody else got services.

00:10:52.980 And that was supposed to be a great result.

00:10:55.720 It ended up not being such a great result.

00:10:58.280 And now I think we have a new wave of globalization,

00:11:03.100 which is all the jobs are going everywhere.

00:11:06.440 They are no longer only going to China,

00:11:08.940 and the West is competitive again.

00:11:11.380 But almost no one in the priesthood who makes the rules

00:11:15.320 has been in favor of that.

00:11:18.160 Or they've actually been quite opposed to it,

00:11:20.340 because they're like, our rules are our rules,

00:11:21.980 and we don't want a separate conversation.

00:11:24.160 Getting ready for a game means being ready for anything,

00:11:32.000 like packing a spare stick.

00:11:33.760 I like to be prepared.

00:11:35.380 That's why I remember 988, Canada's Suicide Crisis Helpline.

00:11:39.260 It's good to know, just in case.

00:11:41.440 Anyone can call or text for free confidential support

00:11:44.220 from a trained responder, anytime.

00:11:46.880 988 Suicide Crisis Helpline is funded by the government in Canada.

00:11:50.160 Populists, the people who represent the power of the people,

00:11:56.760 they've been saying, yeah, wait, no,

00:11:58.720 this globalization does not work to our advantage.

00:12:01.340 We want the new version,

00:12:02.940 which is where capital and jobs migrate back to our countries,

00:12:09.000 whether that's the U.S. or anywhere else.

00:12:11.300 And Trump has been at the forefront of being a populist

00:12:14.760 that said, let's have chip production in the United States.

00:12:17.800 Let's bring auto production back to the United States.

00:12:20.620 Let's go super high tech.

00:12:23.520 And so the priests don't like the power populists interfering

00:12:29.400 with their game, but they're also intelligent,

00:12:32.180 and they're starting to go, wait, our system of rules does need adapting,

00:12:38.580 does need changing, but they don't really want to say

00:12:42.200 the other guys were right.

00:12:43.900 Does that make sense?

00:12:44.980 That makes total sense, Pippa.

00:12:48.040 I found Trump's speech when I was watching it yesterday very interesting,

00:12:52.140 because from a dynamic point of view,

00:12:55.100 personal dynamics point of view,

00:12:57.040 people used to talk about Trump,

00:12:59.120 and the political rhetoric around Trump was always,

00:13:01.580 don't watch what he says, watch what he does.

00:13:04.760 But after Venezuela, everybody's watching what he says now.

00:13:08.400 Oh, yeah, definitely.

00:13:11.740 Well, I'll tell you what I thought was super interesting about his speech.

00:13:16.560 First, it was the tone, because there had been an expectation

00:13:20.780 that he was basically going to come to his NATO partners

00:13:23.680 and effectively read them the riot act.

00:13:26.600 Because from his point of view,

00:13:29.360 the U.S. is not only the senior partner of NATO,

00:13:32.680 it's paid for everything in NATO for so long.

00:13:36.420 And so when the U.S. says we should end the war in Ukraine,

00:13:41.460 he's kind of surprised that the other NATO members said,

00:13:44.060 no, no, no, we must continue the war.

00:13:46.240 And he's like, wait,

00:13:47.260 but you guys don't have any equipment of your own,

00:13:50.160 and you don't have money because your finances are not great,

00:13:53.380 and you don't want to send your kids.

00:13:55.780 So, wait, why are you pushing for that?

00:14:00.760 So he already feels that the NATO partners

00:14:03.140 are not being very allied to begin with.

00:14:06.980 Then he says, okay, well, if you guys really want to do this, 0.99

00:14:10.020 which we think is stupid, fine, 0.96

00:14:11.940 but Greenland then becomes really important. 0.98

00:14:14.280 And what did the NATO allies do?

00:14:15.660 They send their troops to guard Greenland

00:14:17.740 from the allied partner.

00:14:20.440 So they're like, wait, what?

00:14:22.460 Where are we with our allies?

00:14:24.320 Are you guys allies or are you not allies?

00:14:26.680 And that was the feeling the White House

00:14:29.240 had going into the Davos meeting.

00:14:31.940 But when the president got there,

00:14:33.740 he dubbed it in a completely opposite tone,

00:14:35.480 and he basically said, we love Europe.

00:14:37.980 We Americans are European,

00:14:39.780 and we are all brothers and sisters,

00:14:42.840 and we think that there's some other ways

00:14:45.940 we could progress everything.

00:14:47.920 And I'll summarize what I think he's,

00:14:50.420 he didn't say it this way,

00:14:51.560 but he could say it this way.

00:14:52.940 And as somebody, as you say,

00:14:54.240 I've worked in the White House,

00:14:55.800 often the problem is how do you,

00:14:58.320 the president might have a clear policy,

00:15:01.300 but the way they articulate it doesn't convey it.

00:15:04.620 So I think what's happening is the superpowers

00:15:07.100 are basically saying, look, we've got two choices.

00:15:10.120 One we can call Star Wars,

00:15:11.820 and one we can call Star Trek.

00:15:14.020 Star Wars is where we go to war with other human beings.

00:15:17.440 We go to war with people. 0.98

00:15:18.540 Star Trek is where we go to war with problems.

00:15:23.360 So if we stop doing the Star Wars thing,

00:15:27.260 and it's a useful analogy for Ukraine,

00:15:29.500 because Ukraine is the first space war,

00:15:31.860 and everybody goes, what are you talking about?

00:15:33.240 No, no, no, it's a ground war with tanks.

00:15:35.240 No, there's no way that Ukraine would have been able 1.00

00:15:38.180 to do the offensive and defensive maneuvering

00:15:41.000 they've done against a major superpower

00:15:43.620 had it not been for Starlink.

00:15:46.580 And so it's a space war.

00:15:48.380 And the Pentagon's clear that all ground wars

00:15:50.860 are now space wars.

00:15:52.840 So we are spending money, time, resources, energy

00:15:57.540 on a war with people.

00:16:01.660 And it's highly destructive,

00:16:02.880 as the president keeps saying,

00:16:04.100 how many people are dying every month?

00:16:05.940 And he's like, why?

00:16:07.600 On the other side, Star Trek

00:16:09.960 is where you take all those resources,

00:16:11.980 that energy, that time, you stop that war.

00:16:14.660 And now we go to war with physics,

00:16:18.060 with mathematics, with biology,

00:16:20.140 and we solve problems so that you can have abundance.

00:16:24.120 The space race, as I said, is a perfect example.

00:16:26.940 If we have abundant energy,

00:16:29.060 cheap, clean, green energy,

00:16:31.120 if we have abundant resources,

00:16:33.680 if we have abundant internet connectivity,

00:16:37.660 like what is there to fight over?

00:16:38.960 So this is one reason he recently announced

00:16:42.280 the Genesis mission,

00:16:43.720 which probably nobody has heard about.

00:16:46.020 It's not really been covered in the press.

00:16:47.860 It's the most extraordinary announcement

00:16:49.460 that all of the national laboratories,

00:16:53.840 the national labs of the United States,

00:16:55.340 so that's Los Alamos,

00:16:56.900 and Lawrence Livermore,

00:16:58.520 and Sandia, 0.99

00:16:59.460 these are the most classified facilities

00:17:02.500 in the United States.

00:17:03.880 There are like 42 of them or something.

00:17:05.960 They've announced they're going to open them up,

00:17:09.420 all the technologies inside,

00:17:11.380 unless they're like nuclear,

00:17:13.180 they're going to try to bring those into the public

00:17:16.120 so the public can benefit

00:17:17.780 from things like nuclear fusion,

00:17:20.760 from the incredible advances

00:17:22.300 in new materials technology,

00:17:24.120 et cetera, et cetera.

00:17:24.940 And they're going to allow the scientists

00:17:27.620 who are not with a classified status

00:17:29.780 to go in.

00:17:30.640 So this is a way of propelling the United States

00:17:33.780 to the technological frontier much faster

00:17:36.660 so that the public can benefit

00:17:38.640 from the kind of abundance

00:17:41.040 that means,

00:17:41.920 guys,

00:17:42.240 we don't have to have these fights.

00:17:44.760 We don't have to be at war.

00:17:46.440 So that's why I say it's kind of

00:17:47.700 Star Wars versus Star Trek.

00:17:49.560 And that was the tone in Davos

00:17:51.420 is we're all in the same team,

00:17:53.720 but we want to get to peace.

00:17:56.480 So how can we do that?

00:17:57.960 And I'll finish by saying

00:17:59.620 the other complicating factor here

00:18:01.980 is that the media

00:18:03.980 and most people

00:18:05.300 look at each of these geopolitical issues

00:18:08.540 as if it stands on its own.

00:18:10.940 So Ukraine is going to be resolved by itself 0.95

00:18:13.240 and Gaza is going to be resolved by itself

00:18:15.660 and Taiwan.

00:18:17.740 But that's not what I think is happening.

00:18:20.080 I think we have

00:18:20.820 what some people would call

00:18:22.720 a Yalta style agreement

00:18:24.300 making reference to how World War II

00:18:26.340 came to an end,

00:18:27.200 which is where the major superpowers

00:18:29.500 sit around the table

00:18:30.420 and they go,

00:18:32.100 OK,

00:18:32.460 we're going to solve all of them

00:18:34.120 all at once.

00:18:35.560 And here's what everybody's going to get.

00:18:37.880 These are the deals

00:18:38.680 that are being struck

00:18:39.600 and a whole bunch of parties say,

00:18:41.320 wait,

00:18:41.500 I'm not at the table.

00:18:42.460 So they're mad.

00:18:43.380 A lot of Europeans take that view.

00:18:46.100 But the fact is,

00:18:47.540 this is how superpowers

00:18:49.020 tend to resolve things.

00:18:50.440 And I think that the speech at Davos

00:18:53.060 was signaling

00:18:54.400 we're trying to solve

00:18:56.160 all these issues

00:18:57.300 all at once.

00:18:58.800 Greenland,

00:18:59.420 in a way,

00:19:00.120 was a dog whistle.

00:19:01.540 It was a way

00:19:02.340 of getting everybody's attention

00:19:04.380 onto the fundamental question of

00:19:06.420 do we want peace

00:19:07.620 or do we want war?

00:19:09.120 Because that's what it's done,

00:19:10.540 especially for the European public.

00:19:12.420 The core is

00:19:13.500 if you want to keep having

00:19:14.500 the war in Ukraine,

00:19:15.780 then Greenland becomes

00:19:17.220 like critical.

00:19:20.200 It's a really good point

00:19:21.820 and very well explained.

00:19:23.340 He did give the Europeans 1.00

00:19:24.940 a tongue lashing.

00:19:26.040 When I was watching the speech,

00:19:27.440 he said a few things.

00:19:28.580 I'm like,

00:19:28.960 oh,

00:19:29.460 that's a bit spicy.

00:19:30.920 The Green News scam, 0.96

00:19:32.180 he said.

00:19:33.460 He kept referring to

00:19:35.020 the turbines as windmills

00:19:36.880 and the people who bought them 1.00

00:19:38.540 as stupid. 1.00

00:19:40.220 I'd see what you mean. 1.00

00:19:41.320 But also,

00:19:41.940 there were a little bit

00:19:42.760 of Trumpisms in there as well.

00:19:44.800 Oh,

00:19:45.060 no,

00:19:45.240 no,

00:19:45.340 no,

00:19:45.480 absolutely.

00:19:45.960 And he was harsh.

00:19:47.820 I mean,

00:19:48.240 and also the,

00:19:50.060 you know,

00:19:50.640 basically,

00:19:51.560 the Americans liberated you

00:19:53.520 from,

00:19:54.520 you know,

00:19:54.740 the Germans

00:19:55.280 and that era history.

00:19:57.760 I mean,

00:19:57.900 it was tough.

00:19:59.220 So,

00:19:59.460 but it was a lot gentler

00:20:01.640 than everybody had expected.

00:20:05.140 They thought,

00:20:06.160 I mean,

00:20:06.440 honestly,

00:20:06.780 going into that meeting,

00:20:07.860 there was a report

00:20:09.000 that the 11th Airborne

00:20:11.100 in the United States,

00:20:12.160 which is the division

00:20:13.440 of the army

00:20:14.080 that specializes

00:20:14.960 in Arctic warfare

00:20:16.040 that they were gathering

00:20:17.720 in Minnesota

00:20:18.580 and there was speculation

00:20:19.860 they were going to be flown

00:20:20.840 to Greenland

00:20:21.380 and we're going to have

00:20:22.000 like American special ops guys

00:20:24.240 dropping into Greenland

00:20:25.480 the way you did

00:20:26.220 into Venezuela,

00:20:27.280 right?

00:20:27.860 That I don't think

00:20:28.800 was ever on the cards,

00:20:30.340 but the fear

00:20:31.560 was that

00:20:32.360 something like that

00:20:33.720 might happen.

00:20:34.920 So relative

00:20:35.820 to that

00:20:36.620 kind of fear,

00:20:37.980 he did a lot

00:20:39.380 to say,

00:20:39.880 guys,

00:20:40.520 calm down.

00:20:41.360 Like,

00:20:41.620 we're not talking

00:20:42.400 about using force

00:20:43.280 and actually

00:20:43.680 he never raised that.

00:20:45.200 People around him

00:20:46.180 raised it.

00:20:47.200 But yeah,

00:20:47.660 it was a very,

00:20:48.780 it was a bit

00:20:50.280 of a riot act speech,

00:20:51.720 which is also

00:20:52.760 not just

00:20:53.520 whose team

00:20:54.300 are you guys on?

00:20:55.120 Are you with the U.S.

00:20:55.880 or you're not with the U.S.?

00:20:56.920 It was also,

00:20:58.680 do you want to go

00:20:59.640 do Star Wars

00:21:00.560 or do you want to go

00:21:01.480 do Star Trek?

00:21:02.320 If you want to do

00:21:02.880 Star Trek,

00:21:03.660 why are you spending

00:21:04.780 money on technologies

00:21:05.940 that actually

00:21:07.880 turn off

00:21:08.820 all your energy?

00:21:11.820 The U.S.

00:21:12.760 keeps saying,

00:21:13.400 like we just said

00:21:14.080 in the national security

00:21:15.360 report that's just

00:21:16.660 come out,

00:21:17.220 the NSS it's called,

00:21:18.840 that Europe

00:21:19.660 has chosen

00:21:20.600 a path of

00:21:21.360 quote,

00:21:21.800 civilizational decline.

00:21:23.920 Yes.

00:21:24.160 And how can the U.S.

00:21:25.240 be partners

00:21:25.960 with

00:21:27.160 a bunch of countries

00:21:28.940 that have

00:21:29.620 made a deliberate

00:21:31.000 decision

00:21:31.700 to diminish

00:21:33.480 their energy

00:21:34.740 input

00:21:35.240 which naturally

00:21:36.480 then diminishes

00:21:37.560 their economy's

00:21:39.280 capacity to function

00:21:40.520 well

00:21:40.840 and diminishes

00:21:42.120 incomes

00:21:43.160 and livelihoods

00:21:44.660 and they're like

00:21:45.360 why?

00:21:46.940 Why is this happening?

00:21:48.800 So I think that was

00:21:49.500 a core element

00:21:50.160 of the speech.

00:21:51.220 Absolutely.

00:21:51.980 And Pippa,

00:21:52.500 I want to challenge

00:21:53.220 you on something

00:21:53.960 just to probe

00:21:55.080 the argument

00:21:55.740 you're making

00:21:56.280 before coming back

00:21:57.220 to the point

00:21:57.700 you made about

00:21:58.360 energy

00:21:58.900 which I think

00:21:59.340 is super important.

00:22:00.580 But are you not

00:22:01.380 being a little bit

00:22:02.160 generous to President Trump

00:22:03.440 in the sense that

00:22:04.420 you're saying

00:22:05.280 all he cares about

00:22:06.820 is world peace

00:22:07.860 and bring everyone

00:22:08.440 together

00:22:08.860 and solving problems

00:22:10.000 instead of fighting

00:22:10.780 other people.

00:22:12.260 But then

00:22:12.720 an alternative perspective

00:22:14.380 that a lot of people

00:22:15.380 are persuaded by

00:22:16.440 is actually

00:22:17.680 what President Trump

00:22:18.700 is doing

00:22:19.060 is not remotely that

00:22:20.000 what he's doing

00:22:20.640 is what Vladimir Putin

00:22:21.600 is doing

00:22:22.080 which is seeing

00:22:22.840 that the rules-based

00:22:24.180 order is crumbled

00:22:25.140 and this is our moment

00:22:27.280 to quote unquote 0.99

00:22:28.760 get shit done. 1.00

00:22:29.800 We want to get rid of Maduro 1.00

00:22:31.100 we'll go in

00:22:31.720 we'll take him out

00:22:32.580 forget about

00:22:33.420 international law

00:22:34.280 and all this other stuff.

00:22:35.620 We've always wanted

00:22:36.680 Greenland to be part

00:22:37.760 of our sphere

00:22:38.800 we need

00:22:39.300 you know

00:22:39.660 you articulated very well

00:22:41.760 the security considerations there

00:22:43.500 and a lot of people

00:22:45.260 might say

00:22:45.720 isn't President Trump

00:22:46.600 simply doing

00:22:47.480 what Xi and Putin

00:22:48.700 want to do

00:22:49.820 and have done

00:22:50.520 which is

00:22:51.440 using the moment

00:22:52.500 of weakness

00:22:53.280 around the world

00:22:54.040 let's be honest

00:22:54.740 to get one over

00:22:56.400 people he's always

00:22:57.120 wanted to get one over

00:22:58.120 and to achieve

00:22:59.340 America's national interest

00:23:01.020 at the expense

00:23:01.800 of everyone else

00:23:02.760 including its NATO allies.

00:23:04.940 Yeah

00:23:05.240 I totally understand

00:23:06.580 this question

00:23:07.300 it then raises

00:23:09.120 the question

00:23:09.720 look at Venezuela

00:23:10.620 then why didn't

00:23:12.660 the United States

00:23:13.560 do regime change?

00:23:15.860 Why did they

00:23:16.440 only remove

00:23:18.160 that president

00:23:19.720 who

00:23:20.520 who's by the way

00:23:21.580 head of his

00:23:22.500 intelligence

00:23:23.900 his equivalent

00:23:26.380 of

00:23:27.040 call it the CIA

00:23:28.100 NSA

00:23:28.820 he had left

00:23:30.900 weeks before

00:23:31.760 and was telling

00:23:32.940 Trump and his team

00:23:34.020 exactly

00:23:34.600 which

00:23:35.540 who was working

00:23:36.980 with the Venezuelans

00:23:38.000 in the illicit

00:23:38.640 drug trafficking

00:23:39.440 and in other words

00:23:41.520 Maduro probably

00:23:42.820 is also doing

00:23:43.580 the same thing

00:23:44.340 kind of seeing

00:23:45.040 like a canary

00:23:45.780 scenario

00:23:46.340 but he didn't

00:23:47.680 go in and say

00:23:48.520 we're going to

00:23:48.940 overthrow

00:23:49.480 the entire government

00:23:50.760 he did say

00:23:52.340 we're going to

00:23:52.780 he basically said

00:23:53.400 we're going to

00:23:53.680 use this as leverage

00:23:54.540 to get this

00:23:55.660 government

00:23:56.440 to stop

00:23:57.380 doing the things

00:23:59.140 that are undermining

00:23:59.960 security in the

00:24:00.800 United States

00:24:01.540 and

00:24:02.220 Delcy Rodriguez

00:24:03.600 who was the

00:24:05.020 vice president

00:24:05.520 now the leader

00:24:06.400 has met

00:24:07.920 with the head

00:24:08.620 of the CIA

00:24:09.140 and said

00:24:09.800 yes we are

00:24:10.940 no longer

00:24:11.380 going to do

00:24:12.000 these things

00:24:12.600 that are

00:24:13.560 detrimental

00:24:14.040 to the United

00:24:14.780 States

00:24:15.140 so is that

00:24:16.580 what you describe

00:24:18.320 in your question

00:24:19.080 or is that

00:24:20.020 a more

00:24:20.440 sophisticated way

00:24:21.860 of protecting

00:24:22.820 American interests

00:24:24.000 so as one

00:24:25.640 example

00:24:26.220 I think

00:24:27.680 this same

00:24:28.300 question will

00:24:28.960 come up

00:24:29.440 of course

00:24:30.100 with the

00:24:30.700 whole issue

00:24:31.620 of Gaza

00:24:32.620 and the Middle

00:24:33.220 East

00:24:33.580 and we saw

00:24:34.720 Jared Kushner

00:24:35.580 give a whole

00:24:36.480 presentation

00:24:37.240 about a vision

00:24:38.180 for the future

00:24:39.780 of Gaza

00:24:40.300 and again

00:24:41.640 is that

00:24:42.640 the U.S.

00:24:43.600 imposing

00:24:44.320 its will

00:24:46.020 to get

00:24:46.640 things that

00:24:47.860 serve its own

00:24:48.580 interests

00:24:49.100 or what

00:24:50.880 I find

00:24:51.260 interesting

00:24:51.660 is how

00:24:52.540 few people

00:24:53.100 say well

00:24:53.740 given what

00:24:55.580 has happened

00:24:56.120 should it

00:24:57.580 be reconstructed

00:24:58.800 for the

00:24:59.840 Palestinians

00:25:00.400 should America

00:25:01.860 do a Marshall

00:25:02.760 plan

00:25:03.220 which is

00:25:04.180 really what

00:25:05.040 Jared Kushner

00:25:05.900 laid out

00:25:06.700 when we

00:25:07.640 reconstructed

00:25:08.460 Germany at

00:25:09.060 the end of

00:25:09.500 World War II

00:25:10.120 even though

00:25:10.660 they had

00:25:11.080 been America's

00:25:13.000 opponent

00:25:13.380 is America

00:25:15.680 doing the

00:25:16.320 same thing

00:25:17.040 here

00:25:17.540 I would

00:25:18.240 argue

00:25:18.640 it's very

00:25:19.480 similar

00:25:20.120 so is it

00:25:21.600 that America

00:25:22.520 is doing

00:25:22.900 what you

00:25:23.260 say in your

00:25:23.680 question

00:25:24.060 or is it

00:25:24.680 that America

00:25:25.080 is doing

00:25:25.440 the Marshall

00:25:25.820 plan again

00:25:26.460 I think

00:25:27.560 so much

00:25:28.120 depends on

00:25:29.020 how one

00:25:30.820 has already

00:25:31.340 decided to

00:25:32.220 frame

00:25:32.700 yes

00:25:33.500 it's why

00:25:34.540 I asked

00:25:34.980 the question

00:25:35.420 because it's

00:25:35.960 not one I

00:25:36.500 personally agree

00:25:37.300 with but that

00:25:38.380 is the

00:25:38.820 narrative

00:25:39.300 the panicky

00:25:40.740 European

00:25:41.520 chattering

00:25:42.360 classes are

00:25:43.300 basically all

00:25:44.020 saying Trump

00:25:44.620 is Hitler 0.88

00:25:45.440 and is invading

00:25:46.320 everywhere

00:25:46.760 and he's

00:25:47.320 about to

00:25:47.800 take over

00:25:48.840 and I have

00:25:49.780 to say I

00:25:50.220 do find it

00:25:50.760 quite funny

00:25:51.220 I remember

00:25:51.620 there was a

00:25:52.240 leader of

00:25:52.780 one I don't

00:25:53.540 even remember

00:25:54.020 which country

00:25:54.520 but probably

00:25:55.000 quite small

00:25:55.600 and irrelevant

00:25:56.100 in the grand

00:25:56.600 scheme of

00:25:56.960 things who

00:25:57.300 stood up

00:25:57.700 and went

00:25:58.020 you know

00:25:58.480 we are going

00:25:59.100 to defend

00:25:59.720 the international

00:26:00.600 rules based

00:26:01.440 order and we

00:26:02.040 are going to

00:26:02.600 stand up

00:26:03.260 with what

00:26:05.080 like to

00:26:06.760 your point

00:26:07.340 about energy

00:26:08.020 Britain

00:26:08.740 itself can't

00:26:09.780 make virgin

00:26:10.340 steel anymore

00:26:11.120 because we've

00:26:12.120 de-industrialized

00:26:13.040 through this

00:26:13.480 suicidal thing

00:26:14.300 called net

00:26:14.680 zero

00:26:15.000 do you think

00:26:17.300 this is the

00:26:18.380 wake-up call

00:26:19.040 in many ways

00:26:19.700 that Europe

00:26:20.220 has needed

00:26:20.840 to have

00:26:22.540 sanity

00:26:23.000 return to

00:26:23.620 our politics

00:26:24.180 again and

00:26:25.040 to pursue

00:26:25.480 policies that

00:26:26.200 actually make

00:26:27.100 us better

00:26:28.560 off stronger

00:26:30.140 more influential

00:26:30.980 in the world

00:26:31.540 etc or do you

00:26:32.440 think they'll

00:26:32.800 carry on as

00:26:33.280 business as

00:26:33.740 usual

00:26:34.040 neither I

00:26:36.480 think that

00:26:37.160 the current

00:26:37.840 leadership in

00:26:39.260 Europe may

00:26:40.520 now double

00:26:41.220 down and

00:26:42.500 by doubling

00:26:43.200 down they

00:26:44.580 may say

00:26:45.980 right the

00:26:46.960 problem for

00:26:48.220 example the

00:26:50.160 problem is

00:26:51.520 that people

00:26:52.140 raise objections

00:26:53.220 to net

00:26:53.820 zero or the

00:26:55.360 problem is

00:26:56.680 that our

00:26:58.320 choices are

00:26:59.640 questioned so

00:27:01.100 look at the

00:27:01.800 whole discussion

00:27:03.320 about should

00:27:04.140 X be banned 0.90

00:27:05.560 or should

00:27:06.980 people be

00:27:07.700 arrested for

00:27:08.840 saying things

00:27:10.180 on social

00:27:11.040 media that

00:27:12.320 are critical

00:27:13.740 of any

00:27:14.620 given

00:27:14.980 government

00:27:15.620 which is

00:27:16.700 exactly the

00:27:17.500 opposite of

00:27:18.220 where we are

00:27:18.640 in the

00:27:18.920 states which

00:27:19.580 is you

00:27:20.220 know anybody

00:27:21.200 can say

00:27:22.040 what they

00:27:22.960 want and

00:27:23.820 we should

00:27:24.860 take into

00:27:25.680 consideration

00:27:26.180 multiple

00:27:26.820 perspectives on

00:27:28.080 things whether

00:27:28.880 we like it

00:27:29.360 or not so

00:27:30.460 is it possible

00:27:31.460 that the

00:27:31.880 Europeans are

00:27:32.720 going to

00:27:33.140 double down

00:27:33.820 and I

00:27:35.060 know this

00:27:35.380 sounds harsh

00:27:36.020 but possibly

00:27:37.180 respond to

00:27:37.940 all this by

00:27:38.580 introducing

00:27:39.160 what I

00:27:39.620 might call

00:27:40.120 a digital

00:27:40.620 iron curtain

00:27:41.440 and saying

00:27:42.840 right we're

00:27:43.540 just not

00:27:43.860 going to

00:27:44.040 allow debate

00:27:45.720 now already

00:27:46.600 we did see

00:27:47.420 Chancellor

00:27:48.000 Mertz say 0.94

00:27:49.560 it was a

00:27:50.500 mistake to

00:27:51.160 turn off all

00:27:51.820 the nuclear

00:27:52.360 so that is

00:27:53.440 a huge

00:27:54.400 turnaround

00:27:54.920 and I do

00:27:56.420 think we

00:27:56.820 will hear

00:27:57.340 the Europeans

00:27:57.880 saying more

00:27:58.520 and more

00:27:58.880 actually we

00:28:00.640 maybe need

00:28:01.740 to shift

00:28:02.320 direction

00:28:02.880 are they

00:28:03.520 going to

00:28:03.780 say we

00:28:04.200 made a

00:28:04.520 mistake

00:28:04.820 before

00:28:05.260 no that's

00:28:06.220 when politicians

00:28:06.860 don't

00:28:07.300 apologize

00:28:07.740 but at

00:28:09.520 the same

00:28:09.940 time

00:28:10.600 will they

00:28:11.400 double down

00:28:12.180 on getting

00:28:13.400 the peanut

00:28:14.960 gallery

00:28:15.500 to stop

00:28:17.380 with their

00:28:17.720 criticism

00:28:18.300 and to

00:28:19.420 stop with

00:28:20.020 their liking

00:28:21.120 what Trump

00:28:21.700 says

00:28:22.160 because after

00:28:22.960 all in

00:28:23.300 Europe you

00:28:23.820 do have a

00:28:24.760 substantial

00:28:25.080 proportion of

00:28:25.840 the electorate

00:28:26.520 that's

00:28:27.100 increasingly

00:28:27.800 becoming

00:28:28.440 more

00:28:29.160 Trumpy

00:28:30.600 Trumper

00:28:31.700 in their

00:28:32.940 interest

00:28:33.880 but that's

00:28:35.020 very opposed

00:28:36.480 by the

00:28:38.140 high priests

00:28:39.140 of the

00:28:39.580 rules-based

00:28:40.080 system

00:28:40.620 they don't

00:28:41.640 want the 0.55

00:28:42.720 what they

00:28:43.180 call the

00:28:43.680 far right

00:28:44.380 to gain

00:28:46.060 votes

00:28:46.500 and that's

00:28:47.260 another

00:28:47.480 interesting

00:28:47.940 part of

00:28:48.460 this whole

00:28:48.840 thing is

00:28:49.400 we've all

00:28:49.760 descended into

00:28:50.540 this tribalism

00:28:52.300 and relativism

00:28:53.280 so like

00:28:54.200 as someone

00:28:54.660 who's been

00:28:55.060 in this

00:28:55.500 game of

00:28:55.940 geopolitics

00:28:56.740 literally

00:28:57.220 since like

00:28:58.240 you know

00:28:59.360 I first did

00:28:59.960 an internship

00:29:00.700 for Ronald

00:29:01.380 Reagan

00:29:01.700 in 1983

00:29:03.660 I think

00:29:04.700 it was

00:29:05.080 so what

00:29:06.800 used to

00:29:07.360 be center

00:29:08.180 I didn't

00:29:09.760 change

00:29:10.280 and now

00:29:11.320 it's

00:29:11.840 some people

00:29:12.440 would like

00:29:12.760 call it

00:29:13.140 right

00:29:13.560 some people

00:29:14.520 might even

00:29:14.840 call it

00:29:15.160 far right

00:29:15.760 on certain

00:29:16.280 issues

00:29:16.600 I'm still

00:29:16.960 kind of

00:29:17.260 lefty

00:29:17.580 on others

00:29:18.060 but you

00:29:19.560 know like

00:29:19.960 the world

00:29:20.440 has moved

00:29:20.940 in such

00:29:21.440 a way

00:29:21.940 that I

00:29:23.160 actually don't

00:29:23.800 even think

00:29:24.260 left and

00:29:24.940 right are

00:29:25.660 helpful

00:29:26.300 any longer

00:29:27.220 what's

00:29:28.480 more important

00:29:29.740 is to ask

00:29:30.420 is your

00:29:31.260 direction of

00:29:31.820 travel forward

00:29:32.780 or backward

00:29:33.740 if you are

00:29:34.960 interested in

00:29:35.620 fighting with

00:29:36.300 somebody about

00:29:37.060 yesterday's

00:29:38.020 problem

00:29:38.900 and assigning

00:29:40.220 blame

00:29:40.780 you're going

00:29:42.040 backward

00:29:42.460 if you're

00:29:43.420 interested in

00:29:44.340 how do we

00:29:44.840 solve problems

00:29:45.780 so that we

00:29:46.280 have a whole

00:29:46.940 different set

00:29:47.520 of options

00:29:48.100 in front of

00:29:48.740 us

00:29:49.040 that are

00:29:50.120 easier to

00:29:50.960 work with

00:29:51.560 than you're

00:29:52.180 moving forward

00:29:52.900 but people

00:29:53.920 are tribal

00:29:54.580 and right now

00:29:55.560 the uncertainty

00:29:57.060 about the world

00:29:57.820 is making

00:29:58.300 people feel

00:29:59.140 very aligned

00:30:00.020 like they

00:30:01.000 do to a

00:30:01.480 football team

00:30:02.120 and they're

00:30:02.620 like either

00:30:03.120 with Trump

00:30:03.800 or they're

00:30:04.160 against him

00:30:04.760 you're either

00:30:05.440 with the EU

00:30:06.540 and their

00:30:06.980 agenda

00:30:07.400 or you're

00:30:08.020 an enemy

00:30:08.400 of it

00:30:08.860 there's like

00:30:09.720 no middle

00:30:11.220 ground

00:30:11.740 and that was

00:30:13.760 actually one of

00:30:14.440 the themes

00:30:14.980 of Trump's

00:30:15.800 speech

00:30:16.120 because

00:30:16.620 he didn't

00:30:18.580 use these

00:30:19.160 words but

00:30:19.820 he almost

00:30:20.580 accused

00:30:21.080 Europeans

00:30:21.660 of a

00:30:22.040 complete

00:30:22.400 lack of

00:30:22.840 gratitude

00:30:23.280 he goes

00:30:23.840 America

00:30:24.620 does all

00:30:25.620 of this

00:30:25.980 for you

00:30:26.320 we do

00:30:26.740 all of

00:30:27.120 this

00:30:27.400 what do

00:30:28.220 we get

00:30:28.480 from you

00:30:28.980 and more

00:30:29.780 to the

00:30:30.080 point

00:30:30.360 if something

00:30:31.020 happens to

00:30:31.580 us can we

00:30:32.100 rely on you

00:30:32.820 to come in

00:30:33.320 and support

00:30:33.720 us I don't

00:30:34.720 think we

00:30:35.020 can

00:30:35.320 yeah yeah

00:30:37.400 he did say

00:30:38.160 that he did

00:30:39.000 say that

00:30:39.480 and I think

00:30:40.600 look he's

00:30:41.300 capturing a

00:30:42.060 sentiment that

00:30:42.740 does exist

00:30:43.820 in the US

00:30:44.860 and that's not

00:30:46.340 only from the

00:30:47.300 Trump era

00:30:47.760 that's also

00:30:48.340 partly from

00:30:49.240 President George

00:30:50.960 W Bush who I 0.56

00:30:51.860 worked for

00:30:52.520 I was there

00:30:53.820 before the

00:30:55.820 events in

00:30:56.680 Iraq but 0.93

00:30:57.300 there's still

00:30:57.900 a lot of

00:30:58.540 anger in

00:30:59.500 the world

00:30:59.960 about how

00:31:01.380 the decision

00:31:01.920 was made

00:31:02.460 to go to

00:31:02.940 war in

00:31:03.920 Afghanistan

00:31:04.640 and in

00:31:05.480 Iraq so 0.99

00:31:06.440 that anger

00:31:07.520 about you

00:31:08.620 know you

00:31:09.140 guys in

00:31:09.820 America are

00:31:10.540 always declaring

00:31:11.660 wars everywhere

00:31:12.460 is it's very

00:31:13.540 persistent and

00:31:15.220 so Trump is

00:31:15.960 having to deal

00:31:16.680 with that and

00:31:17.380 ironically he's

00:31:18.780 like wait I'm

00:31:19.580 trying to go

00:31:20.720 the other way

00:31:21.560 and get us

00:31:22.540 to peace

00:31:23.040 deals but

00:31:24.340 he's portrayed

00:31:25.300 by many in

00:31:26.200 Europe as a

00:31:26.900 sellout and

00:31:28.440 this is now

00:31:29.060 we're going to

00:31:29.440 get into a

00:31:29.800 very complicated

00:31:30.420 matter which

00:31:31.740 is like how

00:31:34.320 for example

00:31:35.980 the war in

00:31:36.680 Ukraine began

00:31:37.580 and whether

00:31:39.380 we agree or

00:31:40.540 we disagree

00:31:41.380 part of what

00:31:43.060 Trump is doing

00:31:43.860 is going back

00:31:44.960 in time

00:31:45.680 declassifying a

00:31:47.460 lot of emails

00:31:48.480 and correspondence

00:31:49.680 from within

00:31:50.420 government and

00:31:51.420 he's saying

00:31:51.780 you know the

00:31:52.560 official story

00:31:53.520 has been that

00:31:54.520 it's very

00:31:55.180 simple that

00:31:56.260 the Russians 0.97

00:31:57.200 were bad guys 0.99

00:31:58.020 the Ukrainians

00:31:58.720 were good guys

00:31:59.540 and the Russians

00:32:00.200 just rolled in

00:32:00.920 without any

00:32:01.520 provocation

00:32:02.160 every family tree

00:32:04.140 holds extraordinary

00:32:05.140 stories especially

00:32:06.420 those of the

00:32:07.160 women who 0.99

00:32:07.620 shaped who we

00:32:08.200 are in honor

00:32:09.280 of International

00:32:10.060 Women's Month 0.91

00:32:10.840 Ancestry invites

00:32:12.040 you to shine a

00:32:12.840 light on their

00:32:13.300 legacy until

00:32:14.340 March 10th

00:32:15.320 enjoy free access

00:32:16.360 to over 4

00:32:17.300 billion family

00:32:18.060 history records

00:32:18.840 and discover

00:32:19.720 where they lived

00:32:20.540 the journeys

00:32:21.380 they took

00:32:21.960 and the legacy

00:32:22.880 they left behind

00:32:23.860 start with just

00:32:24.780 a name or place

00:32:25.740 and let our

00:32:26.180 intuitive tools

00:32:27.020 guide you

00:32:27.500 visit

00:32:27.940 ancestry.ca

00:32:29.220 to start today

00:32:30.040 no credit card

00:32:30.900 required

00:32:31.340 term supply

00:32:32.020 now he's like

00:32:34.300 oh well

00:32:35.360 it looks like

00:32:35.800 the previous

00:32:36.120 administrations

00:32:36.840 actually spent

00:32:37.840 a fair amount

00:32:38.980 of money

00:32:39.460 through USAID

00:32:41.040 and other

00:32:41.540 organizations

00:32:42.380 fomenting

00:32:43.620 the Maidan

00:32:44.760 revolution

00:32:45.560 and other

00:32:46.400 color revolutions

00:32:47.360 in Eastern

00:32:48.680 Europe

00:32:49.000 so your

00:32:50.700 hands are

00:32:51.220 maybe not

00:32:51.680 so clean

00:32:52.440 and given

00:32:52.960 that that's

00:32:53.920 the case

00:32:54.500 maybe we

00:32:55.800 should figure

00:32:56.460 out how to

00:32:57.160 get to a

00:32:57.860 resolution

00:32:58.340 because it's

00:32:58.920 no longer

00:32:59.340 so like

00:32:59.860 good guys

00:33:00.280 bad guys

00:33:00.900 like everybody

00:33:01.740 played a part

00:33:02.760 in making

00:33:03.960 this mess

00:33:04.560 happen

00:33:04.960 and who's

00:33:05.820 suffering

00:33:06.180 it's a bunch

00:33:06.780 of young

00:33:07.120 kids who

00:33:07.600 had nothing

00:33:08.060 to do

00:33:08.520 with creating

00:33:09.140 this problem

00:33:09.780 similar

00:33:11.040 his position

00:33:12.820 on Taiwan

00:33:13.660 he's had

00:33:15.840 the same

00:33:16.200 position since

00:33:16.900 he was president

00:33:17.460 the first round

00:33:18.280 which is

00:33:18.800 that the chip

00:33:20.240 production is

00:33:21.120 moving from

00:33:21.920 Taiwan to

00:33:22.880 Texas and

00:33:23.560 Arizona

00:33:24.100 and therefore

00:33:25.520 it's not as

00:33:26.280 strategically

00:33:27.160 important to

00:33:28.260 the United States

00:33:29.080 so therefore

00:33:29.640 there is

00:33:30.400 room to

00:33:30.860 negotiate

00:33:31.340 a deal

00:33:31.780 but the

00:33:33.160 implicit

00:33:33.560 message is

00:33:34.500 China's 0.76

00:33:35.300 economy is

00:33:36.020 in trouble

00:33:36.540 and China

00:33:37.720 needs to

00:33:38.360 learn how

00:33:38.840 to be

00:33:39.400 in the

00:33:39.920 world

00:33:40.100 economy

00:33:40.720 in ways

00:33:41.940 that generate

00:33:42.700 better

00:33:43.580 livelihoods

00:33:44.580 so you can

00:33:45.540 do a deal

00:33:45.940 on Taiwan

00:33:46.580 if China

00:33:47.580 will be

00:33:48.040 more like

00:33:48.580 Taiwan

00:33:49.080 but not

00:33:50.220 if China

00:33:51.000 is going

00:33:51.600 to crush

00:33:52.220 Taiwan

00:33:53.020 the way

00:33:53.460 they're

00:33:53.740 perceived

00:33:54.200 to have

00:33:54.640 done it

00:33:54.980 in Hong

00:33:55.280 Kong 0.77

00:33:55.560 and of

00:33:56.180 course

00:33:56.400 China

00:33:57.400 views this

00:33:57.880 as a

00:33:58.200 strictly

00:33:59.000 internal

00:33:59.680 matter

00:34:00.120 and that

00:34:00.560 no other

00:34:01.500 government

00:34:01.860 should have

00:34:02.300 an even

00:34:02.540 opinion

00:34:02.960 on

00:34:03.300 so rather

00:34:04.380 than

00:34:04.580 articulating

00:34:05.380 what I'm

00:34:05.900 articulating

00:34:06.440 Trump

00:34:07.120 just very

00:34:07.760 quietly

00:34:08.300 goes about

00:34:08.980 making it

00:34:09.500 clear that

00:34:09.900 there's a

00:34:10.360 deal to

00:34:10.880 be done

00:34:11.560 but again

00:34:12.600 China

00:34:13.140 what's your

00:34:13.660 choice

00:34:14.000 you want

00:34:14.400 to go to

00:34:14.660 war with

00:34:14.960 the United

00:34:15.220 States

00:34:15.620 you all

00:34:16.400 have had

00:34:17.000 a one

00:34:17.520 child

00:34:17.920 family

00:34:19.100 do you

00:34:19.620 want to

00:34:19.880 lose

00:34:20.160 the one

00:34:20.580 child

00:34:20.940 like

00:34:21.220 do you

00:34:22.140 really

00:34:22.400 with your

00:34:22.940 economy

00:34:23.420 do you

00:34:24.000 really want

00:34:24.380 to spend

00:34:24.620 all those

00:34:24.880 resources

00:34:25.280 on war

00:34:25.980 with the

00:34:26.260 United

00:34:26.400 States

00:34:26.680 or do

00:34:27.360 we want

00:34:27.620 to go

00:34:27.800 back

00:34:27.980 to making

00:34:28.300 money

00:34:28.620 if we

00:34:29.220 all want

00:34:29.480 to go

00:34:29.640 back

00:34:29.780 to making

00:34:30.180 money

00:34:30.600 and raising

00:34:31.540 incomes

00:34:32.420 and livelihoods

00:34:33.360 then let's

00:34:34.440 have a

00:34:34.760 conversation

00:34:35.360 about what

00:34:36.020 are the

00:34:36.280 ways in

00:34:36.860 which we

00:34:37.180 could accomplish

00:34:37.720 that

00:34:37.960 but again

00:34:38.720 then he's

00:34:39.580 portrayed as

00:34:40.480 a sellout

00:34:41.420 and so

00:34:42.740 very and

00:34:43.600 this happens

00:34:44.620 to every

00:34:45.060 president

00:34:45.460 just to be

00:34:46.000 clear

00:34:46.280 every president

00:34:47.620 gets boxed

00:34:48.640 into a

00:34:49.000 corner

00:34:49.300 and having

00:34:50.660 worked for

00:34:51.140 both Ronald

00:34:51.540 Reagan and

00:34:52.020 George W

00:34:52.480 Bush

00:34:52.740 what's

00:34:53.040 amazing is

00:34:53.680 I remember

00:34:54.400 how hated

00:34:55.680 they were

00:34:56.660 hated

00:34:57.660 and now

00:34:59.060 everyone's like

00:34:59.680 could you bring

00:35:00.280 George W

00:35:00.900 Bush back

00:35:01.520 and you know

00:35:04.580 and honestly

00:35:05.240 and Reagan is 0.60

00:35:06.120 a hero

00:35:06.480 now I'm not

00:35:07.320 saying that

00:35:07.820 you're going to

00:35:08.180 love Trump

00:35:08.840 one day

00:35:09.360 but I am

00:35:10.140 saying all

00:35:11.060 presidents are

00:35:12.060 hated while

00:35:13.420 they're doing

00:35:14.180 the tough

00:35:14.740 work

00:35:15.360 later when

00:35:17.080 everybody's had

00:35:17.700 a chance to

00:35:18.420 like review

00:35:19.100 and assess

00:35:20.300 the results

00:35:21.160 opinions change

00:35:22.940 so he's a

00:35:24.140 little bit

00:35:24.460 like yeah

00:35:24.960 whatever

00:35:25.400 noise

00:35:25.900 I need

00:35:26.860 to get

00:35:27.260 deals done

00:35:28.660 that will

00:35:29.240 get us

00:35:29.680 to peace

00:35:31.180 because that's

00:35:32.020 where his

00:35:32.660 direction of

00:35:33.260 travel is

00:35:34.160 and he was

00:35:36.460 constantly talking

00:35:37.440 about himself

00:35:38.140 as this

00:35:38.760 consummate

00:35:39.800 deal maker

00:35:40.580 in the speech

00:35:42.060 and then I

00:35:43.020 woke up

00:35:43.660 today

00:35:44.280 literally today

00:35:45.220 and heard that

00:35:46.180 there's been

00:35:46.540 some kind of

00:35:47.300 deal agreed

00:35:47.940 with Greenland

00:35:48.840 I mean

00:35:49.620 what do we

00:35:50.440 know about

00:35:50.960 that or is

00:35:51.540 it very basic

00:35:52.480 or is it

00:35:52.980 still up in

00:35:53.500 the air

00:35:53.900 you know

00:35:55.020 it happens

00:35:55.640 I've just

00:35:56.080 been at

00:35:56.420 the press

00:35:56.760 conference

00:35:57.220 here in

00:35:58.200 Nuuk

00:35:58.580 in Greenland

00:35:59.480 with the

00:36:00.360 Prime Minister

00:36:01.340 of Greenland

00:36:02.500 and the press

00:36:03.760 were asking

00:36:04.380 him all

00:36:04.860 exactly this

00:36:05.660 question

00:36:06.020 and he was

00:36:06.560 like listen

00:36:07.020 I wasn't

00:36:08.120 in Davos

00:36:09.220 and these

00:36:10.020 were not

00:36:10.380 formal

00:36:10.880 discussions

00:36:11.620 so I

00:36:12.280 have no

00:36:12.800 idea

00:36:13.060 like where

00:36:13.600 we are

00:36:13.920 instead

00:36:14.540 he said

00:36:15.060 I have

00:36:15.340 some red

00:36:16.060 lines

00:36:16.520 right

00:36:16.800 so sovereignty

00:36:17.860 is not

00:36:18.420 negotiable

00:36:19.060 but

00:36:19.940 Greenland

00:36:20.720 is a

00:36:21.060 close

00:36:21.320 ally

00:36:21.720 of the

00:36:22.040 United

00:36:22.220 States

00:36:22.700 and we

00:36:23.140 absolutely

00:36:23.900 want to be

00:36:24.720 in dialogue

00:36:25.400 to accommodate

00:36:26.660 whatever the

00:36:27.580 strategic security

00:36:28.480 needs of the

00:36:29.320 United States

00:36:29.760 are because

00:36:30.260 parentheses

00:36:31.080 we're only

00:36:31.860 57,000

00:36:33.040 people

00:36:33.360 like we

00:36:33.760 we don't

00:36:34.260 have the

00:36:34.520 means to

00:36:35.220 have independent

00:36:36.180 protection

00:36:37.400 of our

00:36:38.040 future

00:36:38.800 and like I

00:36:40.140 said

00:36:40.300 Greenland

00:36:40.680 they want

00:36:41.300 to be

00:36:41.720 independent

00:36:42.320 to do

00:36:43.240 that

00:36:43.540 they have

00:36:44.200 to be

00:36:44.760 aligned

00:36:45.340 with the

00:36:45.800 US

00:36:46.080 strategic

00:36:46.840 security

00:36:47.420 issues

00:36:47.760 so basically

00:36:48.680 what I

00:36:49.060 think is

00:36:49.340 it's a

00:36:49.580 whole bunch

00:36:50.000 of press

00:36:50.440 generated

00:36:51.040 noise

00:36:51.600 we don't

00:36:52.640 have

00:36:53.100 anything

00:36:53.860 substantive

00:36:54.900 but I

00:36:55.740 think that

00:36:56.260 there's now

00:36:57.020 a genuine

00:36:58.500 goodwill

00:36:59.880 effort

00:37:00.460 by NATO

00:37:01.800 by the

00:37:02.880 White House

00:37:03.400 by the

00:37:04.280 Greenlanders

00:37:04.980 to get

00:37:06.400 to a

00:37:07.500 place where

00:37:08.080 everybody's

00:37:08.700 comfortable

00:37:09.000 and by the

00:37:09.680 way I'd

00:37:09.920 like to

00:37:10.200 add to

00:37:10.560 that

00:37:10.800 the fact

00:37:11.540 that the

00:37:11.900 Greenland

00:37:12.440 government

00:37:13.720 itself

00:37:14.420 the leadership

00:37:15.040 was in

00:37:16.140 Washington

00:37:16.680 in the

00:37:17.820 meetings

00:37:18.240 tells us

00:37:19.320 already

00:37:19.680 that both

00:37:20.340 the Kingdom

00:37:20.880 of Denmark

00:37:21.380 and the

00:37:21.960 United States

00:37:22.480 understand

00:37:23.080 that no

00:37:24.020 decisions

00:37:24.360 can be

00:37:24.740 made

00:37:24.960 without

00:37:25.260 the

00:37:25.480 Greenlanders

00:37:26.080 so I

00:37:27.040 actually

00:37:27.360 think the

00:37:27.800 bigger issue

00:37:28.460 now is

00:37:29.040 the Greenlanders

00:37:30.240 don't understand

00:37:31.120 that they do

00:37:31.820 have a position

00:37:32.860 of power

00:37:33.400 and leverage

00:37:34.160 and instead

00:37:35.180 of only

00:37:35.820 looking for

00:37:36.820 a

00:37:37.560 or being

00:37:39.420 willing to

00:37:40.060 accept

00:37:40.540 let's say

00:37:41.080 some kind

00:37:41.940 of financial

00:37:42.400 deal

00:37:42.740 and I

00:37:43.180 characterize

00:37:43.700 their

00:37:44.160 position

00:37:44.640 as

00:37:45.240 Greenland

00:37:46.000 is not

00:37:46.400 for sale

00:37:46.920 but it's

00:37:47.980 open for

00:37:48.400 business

00:37:48.880 so okay

00:37:50.880 what does

00:37:51.520 that mean

00:37:51.960 that means

00:37:52.680 okay what

00:37:53.260 is the

00:37:53.580 business

00:37:53.920 and I

00:37:54.380 have said

00:37:54.820 to the

00:37:55.140 Greenlanders

00:37:55.660 you guys

00:37:56.620 should be

00:37:57.060 saying okay

00:37:57.720 if you're

00:37:58.200 going to be

00:37:58.620 doing the

00:37:59.100 space race

00:37:59.860 from Greenland

00:38:00.840 we should be

00:38:01.740 part of it

00:38:02.280 so we

00:38:03.120 want to get

00:38:03.760 space-based

00:38:04.940 solar power

00:38:05.560 we want to

00:38:06.600 get access

00:38:07.200 to free

00:38:07.700 energy

00:38:08.060 we want to

00:38:08.720 get jobs

00:38:09.420 we want to

00:38:09.980 get skills

00:38:10.680 upgraded

00:38:11.920 we want to

00:38:12.940 have internet

00:38:13.760 available to

00:38:15.140 all the

00:38:15.740 Greenlanders

00:38:16.400 for free

00:38:17.260 like there

00:38:17.980 are many

00:38:18.320 things

00:38:18.920 take us

00:38:19.700 with you

00:38:20.340 to the

00:38:21.440 technological

00:38:21.920 frontier

00:38:22.580 and then we

00:38:23.440 can decide

00:38:24.100 which technologies

00:38:25.040 suit this

00:38:25.900 community

00:38:26.500 and which

00:38:27.040 don't

00:38:27.580 but at least

00:38:28.640 empower

00:38:29.340 the Greenlanders

00:38:30.740 and I think

00:38:31.360 they hadn't

00:38:32.380 thought of that

00:38:33.180 and the

00:38:34.120 White House

00:38:34.740 wasn't

00:38:36.000 going to

00:38:36.700 volunteer

00:38:37.460 that

00:38:38.000 it's a

00:38:38.380 negotiation

00:38:38.840 process

00:38:39.560 and as

00:38:41.220 for Denmark

00:38:41.740 they also

00:38:42.780 want the 0.55

00:38:43.300 best outcome

00:38:44.180 for the

00:38:45.020 Greenlanders

00:38:45.700 and they

00:38:46.420 had already

00:38:46.720 been devolving

00:38:47.560 the authority

00:38:48.260 of political

00:38:50.600 decision making

00:38:51.440 to Greenland

00:38:52.340 anyway

00:38:53.200 but I think

00:38:54.420 the way

00:38:54.900 Trump came

00:38:55.880 in very

00:38:56.260 blustery

00:38:57.000 that everybody

00:38:58.080 locked into

00:38:59.060 no no no

00:38:59.820 it's mine

00:39:00.500 right like

00:39:01.120 you can't have

00:39:01.900 it like

00:39:02.540 children arguing

00:39:03.300 over a toy

00:39:04.200 the fact is

00:39:05.620 that all of

00:39:06.400 them have an

00:39:07.000 interest in

00:39:07.820 creating a

00:39:08.340 future where

00:39:08.800 all of them

00:39:09.500 have more

00:39:10.000 possibilities than

00:39:10.940 before

00:39:11.320 and Pippa

00:39:12.640 coming back

00:39:13.160 to your

00:39:13.480 point about

00:39:14.000 the fact

00:39:14.460 that we

00:39:14.760 are now

00:39:15.200 in a

00:39:15.980 world in

00:39:16.420 which the

00:39:16.800 superpowers

00:39:17.460 will make

00:39:18.080 deals and

00:39:18.820 sort of

00:39:19.160 settle things

00:39:20.460 etc

00:39:20.840 you're painting

00:39:22.580 I would argue

00:39:23.540 a fairly rosy

00:39:24.180 picture of

00:39:24.640 President Trump

00:39:25.240 which may be

00:39:26.160 accurate

00:39:26.480 you probably

00:39:26.980 well not

00:39:27.700 probably

00:39:28.000 you definitely

00:39:28.660 know way better

00:39:29.340 than I do

00:39:29.820 but nonetheless

00:39:30.360 I think a lot

00:39:31.660 of people would

00:39:32.180 feel it's a rosy

00:39:33.000 picture

00:39:33.340 but he's going

00:39:35.000 to have to do

00:39:35.600 deals with

00:39:37.120 the equivalent

00:39:38.380 of the

00:39:38.720 Joseph Stalin

00:39:39.500 and whoever

00:39:40.240 would be

00:39:40.820 the Chinese

00:39:41.780 version of

00:39:42.240 that he's

00:39:42.640 going to have

00:39:42.940 to do deals

00:39:43.580 with Vladimir

00:39:44.060 Putin and

00:39:44.640 Xi Jinping

00:39:45.080 are you

00:39:46.460 confident that

00:39:47.660 their attitude

00:39:48.560 to all of

00:39:49.640 this is

00:39:50.420 similar in

00:39:51.840 that they

00:39:52.240 also want

00:39:53.000 you know

00:39:53.460 world peace

00:39:54.280 kumbaya

00:39:54.820 make money

00:39:56.100 etc or do

00:39:57.640 you think

00:39:58.140 someone like

00:39:59.080 Vladimir Putin

00:40:00.020 a KGB 0.79

00:40:00.760 colonel who

00:40:01.600 who's grown up

00:40:02.740 in that world

00:40:03.460 is going to be

00:40:04.440 thinking in a

00:40:04.980 very very

00:40:05.500 different way

00:40:06.020 about this

00:40:06.580 and will

00:40:07.100 be looking

00:40:08.000 for what's

00:40:09.960 in the interest

00:40:10.680 not only

00:40:11.080 actually of

00:40:11.580 Russia I

00:40:12.140 think but

00:40:12.580 in this

00:40:12.900 point of

00:40:13.800 his trajectory

00:40:14.880 in his

00:40:15.280 career

00:40:15.580 what's in

00:40:16.300 the interest

00:40:16.660 of making

00:40:17.660 sure that

00:40:18.200 he is

00:40:18.460 remembered as

00:40:19.020 Vladimir the

00:40:19.640 Great

00:40:19.980 so you know

00:40:21.380 what's really

00:40:21.880 interesting

00:40:22.400 is who

00:40:23.800 announced

00:40:24.380 that they

00:40:25.060 are open

00:40:25.880 for business

00:40:26.640 and deals

00:40:27.360 with China

00:40:28.140 not Trump

00:40:29.720 Mark Carney

00:40:31.220 said that

00:40:32.280 the Prime

00:40:33.400 Minister of

00:40:33.860 Canada

00:40:34.240 where a

00:40:35.240 year ago

00:40:35.800 he had

00:40:36.320 said China

00:40:37.120 was the

00:40:37.640 most significant

00:40:38.280 strategic security

00:40:39.200 threat and

00:40:39.840 then at Davos

00:40:40.700 he said

00:40:41.240 we're ready

00:40:42.240 to do deals

00:40:42.960 with the

00:40:43.280 Chinese

00:40:43.720 the British

00:40:45.080 the French

00:40:46.240 all said

00:40:47.440 and the

00:40:47.880 Germans too

00:40:48.520 we are

00:40:49.480 going to be

00:40:50.280 partnering

00:40:50.900 with the

00:40:51.740 Chinese

00:40:52.300 so again

00:40:53.580 the Americans

00:40:54.000 were like

00:40:54.360 wait what

00:40:55.220 that's like

00:40:56.060 right now

00:40:56.540 the biggest

00:40:56.980 strategic

00:40:57.440 security

00:40:57.900 opponent

00:40:58.360 and you

00:40:59.240 guys would

00:40:59.600 rather do

00:41:00.100 deals

00:41:00.620 with them

00:41:01.560 than the

00:41:02.120 United States

00:41:02.800 so who's

00:41:03.960 doing the

00:41:04.960 deals here

00:41:05.640 is the

00:41:06.400 key question

00:41:07.340 I think

00:41:08.300 your question

00:41:08.840 as well

00:41:09.220 about Russia

00:41:09.760 is absolutely

00:41:10.600 fair

00:41:11.100 and that's

00:41:12.140 why again

00:41:12.820 if we go

00:41:13.220 back and

00:41:13.620 we look

00:41:13.960 at for

00:41:14.260 example

00:41:14.680 the meeting

00:41:15.340 that President

00:41:16.560 Trump had

00:41:17.380 with the

00:41:18.860 Russians

00:41:19.160 in Alaska

00:41:19.900 so the

00:41:21.420 media portrayed

00:41:22.300 it's Trump

00:41:23.000 and Putin

00:41:23.580 but it

00:41:24.820 was also

00:41:25.340 400 Russian

00:41:26.740 business people

00:41:27.800 and Trump

00:41:29.000 was mainly

00:41:29.600 talking to

00:41:30.500 the business

00:41:31.220 people

00:41:31.680 saying

00:41:32.560 do you

00:41:33.260 guys really

00:41:33.960 want to

00:41:34.380 continue

00:41:34.860 on this

00:41:36.260 war path

00:41:37.060 or do

00:41:38.440 we want

00:41:38.760 to find

00:41:39.420 a solution

00:41:39.980 to Ukraine

00:41:40.780 so that

00:41:41.220 we can

00:41:41.560 bring Russia 0.99

00:41:42.500 back into

00:41:43.020 the world

00:41:43.300 economy

00:41:43.780 normalize

00:41:44.620 relations

00:41:45.220 and he's

00:41:46.160 already hinted

00:41:47.120 at that

00:41:47.520 structure

00:41:48.080 of that

00:41:48.600 because I

00:41:49.560 think the

00:41:49.880 Russian

00:41:50.140 position

00:41:50.580 is yes

00:41:51.840 and we

00:41:52.900 don't want

00:41:53.340 to border

00:41:53.920 with Western

00:41:54.940 Europe

00:41:55.240 we want

00:41:55.880 a buffer

00:41:56.340 zone

00:41:56.800 and that

00:41:57.580 buffer zone

00:41:58.400 looks to

00:41:59.060 me like

00:42:00.120 a revival

00:42:00.760 of the

00:42:01.220 old

00:42:01.500 Polish

00:42:02.100 Lithuanian

00:42:02.840 kingdom

00:42:03.280 it's

00:42:04.040 what they

00:42:04.340 call

00:42:04.580 the

00:42:04.760 three

00:42:04.980 seas

00:42:05.400 initiative

00:42:05.940 which

00:42:06.400 links

00:42:07.020 together

00:42:07.440 the

00:42:07.780 Baltic

00:42:08.380 sea

00:42:08.680 the

00:42:08.920 black

00:42:09.260 sea

00:42:09.640 and

00:42:10.040 the

00:42:10.600 Adriatic

00:42:11.180 so it's

00:42:11.700 like

00:42:11.980 from

00:42:12.780 Lithuania

00:42:13.880 straight down

00:42:14.960 through

00:42:15.300 Poland

00:42:15.820 and the

00:42:16.300 US has

00:42:16.880 said

00:42:17.160 we're

00:42:17.860 going to

00:42:17.960 let

00:42:18.140 Poland

00:42:18.560 take

00:42:19.080 the

00:42:19.300 lead

00:42:19.680 on

00:42:20.300 what

00:42:20.500 will

00:42:20.700 be

00:42:20.880 the

00:42:21.100 largest

00:42:21.680 construction

00:42:22.400 site

00:42:22.940 reconstruction

00:42:23.560 site

00:42:24.220 since the

00:42:24.740 second

00:42:24.960 world

00:42:25.320 war

00:42:25.680 if we

00:42:26.260 get a

00:42:26.520 peace

00:42:26.740 deal

00:42:26.980 then

00:42:27.200 we've

00:42:27.460 got to

00:42:27.800 rebuild

00:42:28.320 Ukraine

00:42:29.020 and Poland

00:42:30.100 will be

00:42:30.700 at the

00:42:31.240 forefront

00:42:31.620 plus

00:42:32.440 the

00:42:33.060 Poles 0.99

00:42:33.500 relationship

00:42:34.140 with

00:42:34.620 Russia

00:42:35.040 is

00:42:36.140 pretty

00:42:36.780 let's

00:42:38.100 say

00:42:38.400 there's

00:42:38.800 a lot

00:42:38.940 of history

00:42:39.440 there

00:42:39.820 there's

00:42:40.220 a lot

00:42:40.460 of history

00:42:40.880 there

00:42:41.200 and so

00:42:43.520 you know

00:42:43.900 if you

00:42:44.260 want a

00:42:44.920 guard dog

00:42:45.380 in the

00:42:45.660 night

00:42:45.960 the

00:42:46.640 Poles 0.99

00:42:47.360 if they

00:42:47.720 think

00:42:48.300 one

00:42:48.760 little

00:42:49.000 thing

00:42:49.280 is

00:42:49.420 out

00:42:49.560 of

00:42:49.680 place

00:42:49.980 they're

00:42:50.220 going

00:42:50.340 to

00:42:50.460 start

00:42:50.700 saying

00:42:50.980 oh

00:42:51.200 we

00:42:51.320 got

00:42:51.420 a

00:42:51.540 problem

00:42:51.800 here

00:42:52.100 so

00:42:52.440 and

00:42:53.500 the

00:42:53.640 US

00:42:53.940 has

00:42:54.140 said

00:42:54.420 that

00:42:54.620 they

00:42:54.800 would

00:42:54.980 have

00:42:55.260 a

00:42:56.180 commercial

00:42:57.780 interest

00:42:58.860 in

00:42:59.220 some

00:42:59.940 of

00:43:00.240 Ukraine's

00:43:01.100 mining

00:43:01.680 which

00:43:02.580 I

00:43:03.000 think

00:43:03.260 is

00:43:03.480 the

00:43:03.720 cover

00:43:04.160 story

00:43:04.540 for

00:43:04.900 don't

00:43:05.620 touch

00:43:05.920 Ukraine

00:43:06.340 even

00:43:06.560 though

00:43:06.780 it's

00:43:07.000 not

00:43:07.260 in

00:43:07.500 NATO

00:43:07.820 because

00:43:08.720 you

00:43:09.460 will

00:43:09.660 be

00:43:09.880 triggering

00:43:10.300 a

00:43:10.660 US

00:43:11.040 response

00:43:11.700 so

00:43:12.080 it's

00:43:12.600 a

00:43:12.780 way

00:43:13.240 of

00:43:13.680 saying

00:43:14.220 it's

00:43:14.700 protected

00:43:15.140 even

00:43:15.520 if

00:43:15.820 officially

00:43:16.520 it's

00:43:16.860 not

00:43:17.140 in

00:43:17.480 NATO

00:43:17.820 so

00:43:18.740 Russia's 0.70

00:43:20.380 business

00:43:21.000 community

00:43:21.560 is

00:43:21.860 indicating

00:43:22.260 yeah

00:43:22.560 then we

00:43:23.120 could

00:43:23.280 do

00:43:23.440 business

00:43:23.820 inside

00:43:24.400 this

00:43:24.780 triangle

00:43:25.620 and

00:43:26.280 begin

00:43:26.540 to

00:43:26.820 reintegrate

00:43:27.900 Russia

00:43:28.620 into

00:43:29.040 the

00:43:29.240 world

00:43:29.380 economy

00:43:29.820 and

00:43:30.400 this

00:43:30.680 is

00:43:30.820 important

00:43:31.280 because

00:43:31.620 this

00:43:31.880 is

00:43:32.000 something

00:43:32.220 my

00:43:32.500 dad

00:43:32.820 taught

00:43:33.100 me

00:43:33.300 from

00:43:33.620 his

00:43:33.880 experience

00:43:34.400 in

00:43:34.620 government

00:43:34.920 in

00:43:35.760 the

00:43:35.940 end

00:43:36.260 when

00:43:36.560 you

00:43:36.660 reach

00:43:36.900 the

00:43:37.060 point

00:43:37.380 where

00:43:37.620 you're

00:43:38.260 really

00:43:38.780 threatening

00:43:39.340 a

00:43:39.600 nuclear

00:43:39.900 confrontation

00:43:40.640 and

00:43:41.320 that

00:43:41.520 is

00:43:41.760 where

00:43:41.980 we

00:43:42.180 have

00:43:42.360 been

00:43:42.680 that

00:43:42.920 if

00:43:43.200 Ukraine

00:43:44.040 continues

00:43:44.520 to

00:43:44.720 escalate

00:43:45.280 that

00:43:45.580 Russia

00:43:46.060 is

00:43:46.240 prepared

00:43:46.560 to

00:43:46.820 go

00:43:47.140 to

00:43:47.480 nuclear

00:43:48.100 well

00:43:49.140 when

00:43:49.500 you

00:43:49.640 get

00:43:49.780 to

00:43:49.900 that

00:43:50.080 point

00:43:50.500 the

00:43:51.040 human

00:43:51.660 response

00:43:52.500 is

00:43:52.800 no

00:43:53.160 one

00:43:53.580 wants

00:43:54.000 to

00:43:54.180 bring

00:43:54.360 the

00:43:54.520 end

00:43:54.660 of

00:43:54.760 the

00:43:54.840 world

00:43:55.040 about

00:43:55.340 nobody

00:43:56.180 really

00:43:56.920 wants

00:43:57.320 to

00:43:57.500 hit

00:43:57.660 that

00:43:57.900 button

00:43:58.220 so

00:43:58.860 the

00:43:59.040 only

00:43:59.460 other

00:43:59.740 place

00:44:00.120 you

00:44:00.300 can

00:44:00.500 go

00:44:00.800 is

00:44:01.000 the

00:44:01.220 opposite

00:44:01.680 end

00:44:01.980 of

00:44:02.080 the

00:44:02.200 spectrum

00:44:02.620 which

00:44:03.280 is

00:44:03.580 a

00:44:03.920 hug

00:44:04.300 and

00:44:05.360 my

00:44:05.620 dad

00:44:05.840 watched

00:44:06.360 all

00:44:06.820 of

00:44:07.020 these

00:44:07.240 geopolitical

00:44:07.780 conflicts

00:44:08.200 always

00:44:08.540 end

00:44:08.820 in

00:44:08.920 a

00:44:09.020 hug

00:44:09.220 and

00:44:09.320 I'm

00:44:09.440 like

00:44:09.600 what

00:44:09.940 he

00:44:10.420 said

00:44:10.580 yeah

00:44:10.720 look

00:44:10.960 at

00:44:11.080 the

00:44:11.240 photograph

00:44:11.760 of

00:44:12.840 Nixon

00:44:13.600 and

00:44:14.060 Brezhnev

00:44:14.840 totally

00:44:15.960 like

00:44:16.500 embracing

00:44:17.080 they

00:44:17.380 practically

00:44:17.760 kissed

00:44:18.180 in

00:44:18.440 fact

00:44:18.740 because

00:44:19.520 once

00:44:20.340 you

00:44:20.580 say

00:44:20.760 we're

00:44:20.960 not

00:44:21.240 going

00:44:21.360 to 1.00

00:44:21.460 kill 1.00

00:44:21.620 each 1.00

00:44:21.820 other

00:44:22.040 and 0.99

00:44:22.180 annihilate 0.98

00:44:22.680 earth 0.99

00:44:23.080 then

00:44:23.660 it's

00:44:23.840 like

00:44:24.040 hey

00:44:24.280 let's

00:44:24.520 go

00:44:24.640 to

00:44:24.740 the

00:44:24.820 bar

00:44:25.040 let's

00:44:25.440 you

00:44:25.540 know

00:44:25.780 hug

00:44:26.240 like

00:44:26.500 figure

00:44:26.840 out

00:44:26.980 how

00:44:27.080 to

00:44:27.180 work

00:44:27.360 together

00:44:27.700 same

00:44:28.440 thing

00:44:28.660 happened

00:44:29.080 with

00:44:29.440 Nixon

00:44:30.780 and

00:44:31.420 Brezhnev

00:44:34.240 sorry

00:44:34.660 same

00:44:34.960 thing

00:44:35.120 happened

00:44:35.320 with

00:44:35.480 Reagan

00:44:35.940 and

00:44:37.060 Gorbachev

00:44:38.520 and that's

00:44:39.120 when I was

00:44:39.540 working for

00:44:39.960 Reagan

00:44:40.240 in both

00:44:41.220 cases

00:44:41.660 no one

00:44:42.140 ever

00:44:42.500 imagined

00:44:42.980 the

00:44:43.240 leader

00:44:43.540 of the

00:44:43.980 Soviet

00:44:44.540 Union

00:44:45.000 was

00:44:45.660 going

00:44:45.820 to

00:44:45.940 meet

00:44:46.120 with

00:44:46.260 the

00:44:46.440 leader

00:44:46.700 of

00:44:46.900 the

00:44:47.000 United

00:44:47.200 States

00:44:47.720 like

00:44:48.080 that

00:44:48.280 was

00:44:48.440 impossible

00:44:49.120 to

00:44:49.460 imagine

00:44:50.140 let alone

00:44:51.400 embrace

00:44:52.120 but it's

00:44:52.900 that embrace

00:44:53.580 that then

00:44:54.200 allowed a

00:44:54.780 dialogue

00:44:55.180 and ultimately

00:44:56.440 allowed

00:44:57.120 Russia

00:44:57.840 to

00:44:58.720 leave its

00:45:00.220 position as

00:45:00.980 the Soviet

00:45:01.320 Union

00:45:01.760 to become

00:45:02.480 Russia

00:45:02.940 and

00:45:04.000 so

00:45:04.740 can we

00:45:05.820 be friends

00:45:06.440 with the

00:45:06.740 Russians

00:45:07.020 again

00:45:07.420 yes

00:45:08.500 but there

00:45:09.200 are terms

00:45:09.780 and there

00:45:10.240 are conditions

00:45:10.940 same thing

00:45:12.020 with China

00:45:12.680 does the

00:45:13.960 US really

00:45:14.480 want to be

00:45:15.100 arch enemies

00:45:16.140 with China

00:45:16.780 forever

00:45:17.280 China has 0.91

00:45:18.600 what 1.6

00:45:20.120 1.7

00:45:20.620 billion people

00:45:21.480 if we

00:45:22.280 can't find

00:45:22.940 a way

00:45:23.360 for the

00:45:24.040 Chinese to

00:45:24.820 come back

00:45:25.320 into the

00:45:25.700 world economy

00:45:26.320 and believe

00:45:27.000 that their

00:45:27.500 future will

00:45:28.080 be better

00:45:28.560 then we

00:45:30.020 will be

00:45:30.360 back in

00:45:31.000 conflict

00:45:31.620 if that's

00:45:33.240 the thing

00:45:33.580 if you

00:45:33.960 want to

00:45:34.540 get to

00:45:35.120 a peace

00:45:35.480 deal

00:45:35.780 then you

00:45:36.720 also

00:45:37.220 are going

00:45:37.720 to have

00:45:38.100 to embrace

00:45:39.000 the peoples

00:45:39.940 of those

00:45:40.880 countries

00:45:41.460 and bring

00:45:42.180 them back

00:45:42.740 into

00:45:43.360 a world

00:45:44.520 family

00:45:45.080 and not

00:45:46.240 treat them

00:45:46.940 as the

00:45:47.420 enemy

00:45:47.780 anymore

00:45:48.520 it's hard

00:45:49.680 to do

00:45:50.100 but that's

00:45:51.140 what happened

00:45:51.580 with Germany

00:45:52.240 at the end

00:45:52.680 of World

00:45:53.000 War II

00:45:53.460 it ceased

00:45:54.440 to be

00:45:54.700 the enemy

00:45:55.160 we made

00:45:56.040 them an 0.87

00:45:56.360 ally

00:45:56.720 we reintegrated

00:45:58.000 them into

00:45:58.420 the world

00:45:58.820 they are

00:46:00.440 in a very

00:46:00.780 different place

00:46:01.460 than they

00:46:01.880 would have

00:46:02.300 been otherwise

00:46:02.920 and so

00:46:04.080 that's

00:46:04.440 people kind

00:46:05.140 of think

00:46:05.540 don't think

00:46:06.300 through to

00:46:06.680 the end

00:46:07.060 game

00:46:07.360 like okay

00:46:08.500 if we're

00:46:08.980 at war

00:46:09.460 and you

00:46:10.420 think you

00:46:10.740 can win

00:46:11.580 what does

00:46:12.100 winning

00:46:12.480 even mean

00:46:13.500 in an

00:46:14.260 era of

00:46:14.720 nuclear

00:46:14.960 weapons

00:46:15.500 plus now

00:46:16.240 I mean

00:46:16.560 the capability

00:46:17.240 of our

00:46:17.600 weapon

00:46:17.820 systems

00:46:18.200 is so

00:46:18.680 much

00:46:18.900 greater

00:46:19.180 than it

00:46:19.520 used

00:46:19.700 to be

00:46:20.000 and now

00:46:20.720 we've

00:46:20.880 got

00:46:21.060 robotics

00:46:21.600 so what

00:46:22.600 you're

00:46:22.780 going to

00:46:22.940 have

00:46:23.120 robots

00:46:23.580 fighting

00:46:23.920 robots

00:46:24.480 then who

00:46:25.460 wins

00:46:25.880 the person

00:46:26.600 who run

00:46:27.120 the country

00:46:27.600 that runs

00:46:28.100 out of

00:46:28.360 3D printed

00:46:28.920 material

00:46:29.400 first

00:46:29.840 and if

00:46:30.840 you're

00:46:31.000 going to

00:46:31.180 have

00:46:31.360 robots

00:46:31.900 fighting

00:46:32.380 robots

00:46:32.880 why don't

00:46:33.500 they just

00:46:33.940 build

00:46:34.280 hospitals

00:46:34.840 like why

00:46:35.460 why are

00:46:36.100 they destroying

00:46:37.020 stuff

00:46:37.680 why don't

00:46:38.340 we program

00:46:38.900 robots

00:46:39.400 to collectively

00:46:40.080 build new

00:46:41.260 housing

00:46:41.740 and new

00:46:42.220 hospitals

00:46:42.780 and then

00:46:43.680 what are

00:46:44.480 we fighting

00:46:44.980 over

00:46:45.440 so yeah

00:46:46.840 I agree

00:46:47.520 I hear

00:46:47.980 you

00:46:48.380 but I

00:46:50.100 think that

00:46:50.740 that is

00:46:51.320 where the

00:46:51.960 superpowers

00:46:52.700 are leaning

00:46:53.860 which is

00:46:54.920 that it's

00:46:55.320 just too

00:46:56.280 expensive

00:46:57.680 it's too

00:46:58.600 costly

00:46:59.120 to humanity

00:47:00.160 to continue

00:47:01.600 fights

00:47:02.820 that risk

00:47:04.180 existential

00:47:05.860 outcomes

00:47:06.720 and it's

00:47:07.900 better to

00:47:08.500 get to

00:47:09.020 the hug

00:47:09.540 even if

00:47:10.380 it feels

00:47:10.840 distasteful

00:47:11.660 well

00:47:13.240 we're talking

00:47:14.100 about hugs

00:47:14.860 and Europe

00:47:16.200 over the past

00:47:17.160 48 hours

00:47:17.980 hasn't been

00:47:18.440 feeling a lot

00:47:19.060 of hugs

00:47:19.380 certainly not

00:47:19.940 from Donald

00:47:20.380 Trump

00:47:20.760 and certainly

00:47:21.760 not from

00:47:22.200 Vladimir Zelensky

00:47:23.180 who in his

00:47:24.320 speech he went

00:47:25.120 in and

00:47:25.660 essentially

00:47:26.800 lambasted 1.00

00:47:27.500 Europe as

00:47:28.100 well didn't

00:47:28.500 he

00:47:28.700 yeah because

00:47:30.660 it's interesting

00:47:32.140 he too

00:47:33.080 has realized

00:47:33.900 given a choice

00:47:35.760 between

00:47:36.220 escalating

00:47:37.120 and

00:47:37.840 de-escalating

00:47:39.400 he'd rather

00:47:40.740 de-escalate

00:47:41.840 and save

00:47:42.680 what remains

00:47:43.860 of Ukraine

00:47:44.660 and I mean

00:47:45.960 because if you

00:47:46.500 stay in this

00:47:47.460 fight most

00:47:48.200 of the

00:47:48.660 analyses are

00:47:49.500 that it's

00:47:50.300 not going

00:47:50.860 to be

00:47:51.080 pretty

00:47:51.420 so

00:47:52.580 and

00:47:53.800 interestingly

00:47:54.340 Mark

00:47:55.000 Ruta

00:47:55.360 the head

00:47:56.480 of NATO

00:47:56.960 came out

00:47:58.240 and said

00:47:58.700 President Trump

00:47:59.580 is right

00:48:00.020 and we

00:48:01.140 should all

00:48:01.620 be on the

00:48:02.160 same page

00:48:02.760 and we

00:48:03.220 should be

00:48:03.860 trying to

00:48:04.620 get to

00:48:04.920 the point

00:48:05.300 of ending

00:48:07.020 the wars

00:48:07.560 so I

00:48:09.360 think actually

00:48:10.100 and I

00:48:11.820 think what's

00:48:12.340 going to

00:48:12.740 happen is

00:48:13.460 there is

00:48:14.260 going to

00:48:14.660 be more

00:48:15.040 and more

00:48:15.300 of a

00:48:15.540 conversation

00:48:16.100 about what

00:48:17.360 are the

00:48:17.660 terms and

00:48:18.200 conditions

00:48:18.740 for ending

00:48:20.780 the war

00:48:21.320 in Ukraine

00:48:21.780 and for

00:48:23.640 Russia

00:48:24.300 and also

00:48:25.200 China to

00:48:25.940 be

00:48:26.300 reintegrated

00:48:27.600 into the

00:48:28.060 world economy

00:48:28.600 and I

00:48:28.940 think almost

00:48:29.320 no energy

00:48:29.880 has gone

00:48:30.380 into that

00:48:31.000 vision of

00:48:32.300 the future

00:48:32.920 where everybody

00:48:33.740 can play

00:48:35.000 in the same

00:48:35.680 sandbox

00:48:36.500 because we've

00:48:37.960 been in such

00:48:38.440 a confrontational

00:48:39.260 mode

00:48:39.760 and we

00:48:41.800 have indeed

00:48:42.500 and one of

00:48:43.620 the really

00:48:43.920 interesting things

00:48:44.940 is as well

00:48:45.660 is Trump

00:48:46.920 has spoken

00:48:47.560 openly about

00:48:49.000 Starmer

00:48:49.820 and the UK

00:48:50.560 letting down

00:48:51.300 the US

00:48:51.780 when it

00:48:52.100 comes to

00:48:52.480 the Chagos

00:48:53.160 Islands

00:48:53.560 and that's

00:48:54.380 something that

00:48:54.860 I really

00:48:55.360 wanted to

00:48:55.800 talk with

00:48:56.320 you because

00:48:56.860 I don't

00:48:57.700 think a lot

00:48:58.340 of people

00:48:58.840 understand the

00:48:59.920 Chagos Islands

00:49:00.580 I certainly

00:49:01.180 wouldn't pretend

00:49:01.880 to their

00:49:02.600 significance

00:49:03.320 the deal

00:49:04.440 is Trump

00:49:05.580 correct is

00:49:06.480 it hyperbole

00:49:07.740 on behalf

00:49:08.980 of the

00:49:09.260 president

00:49:09.620 what's going

00:49:11.220 on why is

00:49:12.120 it so

00:49:12.460 important and

00:49:13.320 is Trump

00:49:13.800 right

00:49:14.180 yeah so

00:49:16.180 Diego Garcia

00:49:17.200 this tiny

00:49:18.060 little island

00:49:18.980 that is

00:49:21.080 kind of

00:49:21.700 south of

00:49:23.080 south of

00:49:25.660 India

00:49:26.060 bottom line

00:49:28.260 is that's

00:49:29.180 the main

00:49:30.020 base the

00:49:30.800 US uses

00:49:32.040 whenever it's

00:49:33.620 doing

00:49:34.280 bombing runs

00:49:36.480 into the

00:49:37.480 Middle East

00:49:37.960 so in terms

00:49:39.320 of our

00:49:39.940 strategic security

00:49:41.100 interest as a

00:49:41.800 nation

00:49:42.220 Diego Garcia

00:49:43.520 is considered

00:49:44.520 one of the

00:49:45.280 most critical

00:49:46.460 control points

00:49:48.500 on earth

00:49:49.460 and so

00:49:50.700 when the

00:49:51.940 British

00:49:52.400 basically

00:49:53.040 started to

00:49:53.980 negotiate it

00:49:55.200 away

00:49:55.700 leaving it

00:49:57.000 it is

00:49:58.240 argued in a

00:49:59.160 vulnerable

00:49:59.580 position to

00:50:00.700 America's

00:50:01.720 opponents

00:50:02.940 particularly

00:50:04.000 China

00:50:04.480 to then

00:50:05.760 begin having

00:50:06.640 a presence

00:50:07.280 and let's

00:50:07.760 understand

00:50:08.280 there's been

00:50:09.240 a kind of

00:50:09.760 jockeying

00:50:10.440 between the

00:50:11.080 United States

00:50:11.700 and China

00:50:12.660 over many

00:50:13.980 many islands

00:50:14.940 the islands

00:50:16.220 in the

00:50:16.640 South China

00:50:17.160 Sea

00:50:17.540 the islands

00:50:18.940 of the

00:50:19.320 Pacific

00:50:19.760 understand the

00:50:21.500 other main

00:50:22.520 American

00:50:23.060 foothold is

00:50:23.840 Guam

00:50:24.360 and now this

00:50:25.580 little island

00:50:26.200 underneath it

00:50:26.940 Tinian 0.91

00:50:27.400 that they're

00:50:27.900 upgrading to

00:50:28.680 be even more

00:50:29.480 important than

00:50:30.200 Guam

00:50:30.560 the Chinese

00:50:31.840 have been

00:50:32.760 moving into

00:50:33.460 places like

00:50:34.160 the Solomon

00:50:34.640 Islands

00:50:35.220 so these

00:50:36.920 are all

00:50:37.240 like physical

00:50:37.840 footholds

00:50:38.600 for

00:50:39.780 geopolitical

00:50:40.980 purposes

00:50:41.540 for strategic

00:50:42.420 security

00:50:42.980 purposes

00:50:43.520 so when

00:50:44.620 the previous

00:50:46.440 administration

00:50:47.240 in the

00:50:47.700 US

00:50:48.040 was in

00:50:48.920 office

00:50:49.260 they didn't

00:50:50.160 seem to

00:50:50.540 express a

00:50:51.120 view

00:50:51.480 about

00:50:52.320 Diego

00:50:53.380 Garcia

00:50:53.840 which is

00:50:54.500 the

00:50:54.680 Chagos 1.00

00:50:55.400 Islands

00:50:55.880 and therefore

00:50:57.480 that process

00:50:59.100 in Britain

00:50:59.700 just progressed

00:51:00.480 when Trump

00:51:01.780 arrived he went

00:51:02.600 now wait a

00:51:03.280 minute

00:51:03.460 that's a

00:51:04.600 really important

00:51:05.560 national security

00:51:06.380 interest in

00:51:07.080 the same

00:51:07.420 way that

00:51:08.320 Greenland

00:51:08.920 is and

00:51:10.140 you can't

00:51:10.620 just give

00:51:11.480 that away

00:51:12.020 and have

00:51:12.860 no protections

00:51:14.480 for the

00:51:16.160 national security

00:51:17.040 interest that

00:51:17.720 the United

00:51:18.060 States has

00:51:18.800 and that's

00:51:19.760 what's

00:51:20.020 reopened

00:51:20.520 this whole

00:51:21.220 discussion

00:51:22.280 and I

00:51:23.600 mean it's

00:51:23.960 clear the

00:51:24.500 relationship

00:51:25.080 between

00:51:25.940 President

00:51:26.860 Trump and

00:51:27.600 his

00:51:27.820 counterparts

00:51:28.400 in Britain

00:51:29.400 in France

00:51:30.340 and in

00:51:31.100 Germany

00:51:31.480 these are

00:51:32.460 not

00:51:32.780 conversations

00:51:33.440 that have

00:51:33.900 been going

00:51:34.320 swimmingly

00:51:35.060 right

00:51:35.660 these are

00:51:36.380 these are

00:51:37.080 very tough

00:51:37.940 conversations

00:51:38.560 the conversation

00:51:40.040 that's gone

00:51:40.600 very well

00:51:41.480 has been

00:51:41.960 with Italy

00:51:42.540 and notice

00:51:43.660 that Italy

00:51:44.320 has been

00:51:45.000 at the

00:51:45.220 forefront

00:51:45.560 of saying

00:51:46.420 George Maloney

00:51:47.840 has been

00:51:48.140 at the

00:51:48.380 forefront

00:51:48.620 of saying

00:51:49.040 let's

00:51:50.300 figure out

00:51:51.120 how to

00:51:51.460 do a

00:51:51.760 peace

00:51:52.000 deal

00:51:52.280 let's

00:51:53.300 figure out

00:51:54.160 how we're

00:51:55.100 all allies

00:51:55.820 and we

00:51:56.980 all have

00:51:57.400 common

00:51:57.760 interests

00:51:58.180 and how

00:51:59.420 do we

00:51:59.680 get sitting

00:52:00.340 around a

00:52:00.760 table

00:52:01.100 to you

00:52:02.240 know have

00:52:02.640 a conversation

00:52:03.300 about this

00:52:03.900 by the

00:52:04.500 way

00:52:04.720 that's

00:52:05.200 one thing

00:52:05.540 the

00:52:05.820 Greenlandic

00:52:06.560 Prime Minister

00:52:07.140 said today

00:52:07.900 was we're

00:52:09.340 creating a

00:52:09.840 working group

00:52:10.460 and the

00:52:11.200 working group

00:52:11.880 is gonna

00:52:12.500 like figure

00:52:13.660 this out

00:52:14.300 in other

00:52:14.960 words let's

00:52:15.960 talk

00:52:16.540 so I think

00:52:18.060 that's kind

00:52:18.660 of where

00:52:19.740 we are

00:52:20.280 is the

00:52:21.140 president's

00:52:21.800 talking to

00:52:22.220 the Europeans

00:52:22.680 that will

00:52:23.180 talk to

00:52:23.600 him and

00:52:24.500 the ones

00:52:24.860 that won't

00:52:25.320 talk to

00:52:25.740 him we

00:52:26.460 can probably

00:52:27.140 see more

00:52:27.680 fireworks

00:52:28.200 coming

00:52:28.660 because it

00:52:30.220 seems to

00:52:30.660 me that

00:52:30.980 if you're

00:52:31.500 not gonna

00:52:31.900 be talking

00:52:32.320 to the

00:52:32.660 president

00:52:32.960 of the

00:52:33.180 United

00:52:33.440 States

00:52:33.920 that is

00:52:34.660 to put

00:52:35.000 it bluntly

00:52:35.740 a quite 1.00

00:52:36.360 moronic 0.99

00:52:37.040 play isn't 0.74

00:52:37.660 it the

00:52:38.060 US is

00:52:38.700 the world's

00:52:39.080 greatest

00:52:39.440 superpower

00:52:40.080 like him

00:52:40.980 or not

00:52:41.500 Donald Trump

00:52:42.220 is the

00:52:42.600 leader of

00:52:42.980 the world's

00:52:43.360 greatest

00:52:43.680 superpower

00:52:44.280 that's 0.97

00:52:46.040 ridiculous 0.89

00:52:46.660 not to 0.99

00:52:47.340 talk with

00:52:48.280 him I

00:52:48.980 mean that's

00:52:49.860 self-harm

00:52:50.960 bordering on

00:52:51.500 suicidal

00:52:52.020 isn't it

00:52:52.660 some say

00:52:53.960 the bubbles

00:52:54.360 in an

00:52:54.760 aero truffle

00:52:55.280 piece can

00:52:55.780 take 34

00:52:56.500 seconds to

00:52:57.160 melt in

00:52:57.420 your mouth 0.72

00:52:57.820 sometimes the

00:52:59.000 very amount

00:52:59.640 you're stuck

00:52:59.980 at the

00:53:00.220 same red

00:53:00.640 light

00:53:00.960 rich

00:53:02.180 creamy

00:53:02.820 chocolatey

00:53:03.720 aero truffle

00:53:04.340 feel the

00:53:05.460 aero bubbles

00:53:06.140 melt

00:53:06.520 it's mind

00:53:07.400 bubbling

00:53:07.820 well we're

00:53:08.800 back to

00:53:09.280 that's why

00:53:10.000 the United

00:53:10.760 States issued

00:53:11.660 the national

00:53:12.260 security

00:53:12.760 statement saying

00:53:14.100 Europe seems

00:53:14.960 to be on a

00:53:15.400 path of

00:53:15.840 civilizational

00:53:16.560 decline

00:53:17.120 as you say

00:53:19.440 they view

00:53:20.320 it as a

00:53:21.020 kind of

00:53:21.960 self-harming

00:53:22.760 position

00:53:23.380 whether this

00:53:24.460 is right

00:53:24.800 or not

00:53:25.140 is beside

00:53:25.900 the point

00:53:26.260 I'm trying

00:53:26.780 to describe

00:53:27.300 what is

00:53:27.700 the view

00:53:28.280 from

00:53:29.260 Washington

00:53:29.820 and look

00:53:31.620 the US

00:53:32.140 is always

00:53:32.740 it is

00:53:33.620 extremely

00:53:34.220 powerful

00:53:34.780 it's more

00:53:35.640 powerful now

00:53:36.620 partly because

00:53:37.580 its economy

00:53:38.860 is going

00:53:39.480 so well

00:53:40.180 partly because

00:53:41.920 the president

00:53:43.540 used the

00:53:44.380 events in

00:53:44.900 Venezuela

00:53:45.300 not only

00:53:46.500 to accomplish

00:53:47.320 a specific

00:53:48.160 task

00:53:48.800 which was

00:53:50.240 to

00:53:51.140 signal

00:53:52.340 that the

00:53:53.620 cartel

00:53:54.100 operations

00:53:54.900 across

00:53:55.400 Latin

00:53:55.720 America

00:53:56.120 are no

00:53:56.680 longer

00:53:57.180 going to

00:53:57.920 be

00:53:58.300 allowed

00:53:59.580 basically

00:54:00.740 the US

00:54:01.480 is saying

00:54:01.900 we're going

00:54:02.220 to have

00:54:02.520 order

00:54:02.900 we're not

00:54:03.720 going to

00:54:03.980 have

00:54:04.420 this kind

00:54:05.200 of stuff

00:54:05.560 going on

00:54:06.340 in America's

00:54:08.100 backyard

00:54:08.520 and by the way

00:54:09.700 it was a clear

00:54:10.440 message also

00:54:11.360 to Russia

00:54:11.980 and China

00:54:12.480 that if you

00:54:13.620 need Venezuelan

00:54:14.460 oil it will

00:54:15.260 be available

00:54:15.940 but if you

00:54:17.020 want to go

00:54:17.300 to war

00:54:17.600 with the

00:54:17.860 United States

00:54:18.540 then the

00:54:19.420 US can

00:54:19.860 turn the

00:54:20.180 tap off

00:54:20.600 so you

00:54:21.560 know

00:54:21.760 it's not

00:54:22.980 a saying

00:54:23.660 it's

00:54:24.360 America's

00:54:25.280 only we

00:54:26.140 get to

00:54:26.640 sell it

00:54:27.200 no

00:54:27.740 and he

00:54:28.400 actually

00:54:28.640 specifically

00:54:29.160 said

00:54:29.580 the

00:54:30.160 Venezuelans

00:54:30.920 need the

00:54:31.320 revenue

00:54:31.680 because they

00:54:32.340 haven't had

00:54:32.880 anything

00:54:33.360 their own

00:54:34.060 leadership

00:54:34.420 has

00:54:35.240 creamed

00:54:36.380 off the

00:54:36.760 top

00:54:37.000 so boom

00:54:38.060 there you

00:54:38.400 have a

00:54:38.860 different

00:54:39.280 way of

00:54:40.120 thinking

00:54:40.280 about it

00:54:40.540 but one

00:54:41.240 of the

00:54:41.500 things that

00:54:41.820 happened

00:54:42.040 in Venezuela

00:54:42.500 was a

00:54:43.060 demonstration

00:54:43.540 of capability

00:54:44.540 and the

00:54:45.500 word is

00:54:46.140 that

00:54:46.600 something like

00:54:47.660 20

00:54:48.460 special ops

00:54:49.700 guys

00:54:50.140 were able

00:54:51.220 to

00:54:51.760 physically

00:54:52.460 walk

00:54:53.340 into a

00:54:54.320 highly

00:54:54.940 guarded

00:54:56.020 presidential

00:54:56.720 palace

00:54:57.600 and

00:54:58.520 knock

00:54:59.380 down 0.92

00:55:00.000 hundreds

00:55:00.960 of

00:55:02.000 opposition

00:55:03.200 and

00:55:04.460 walk

00:55:04.980 away

00:55:05.420 with

00:55:06.000 the

00:55:06.380 leader

00:55:06.720 intact

00:55:07.440 right

00:55:07.900 like

00:55:08.120 that is

00:55:09.400 like

00:55:10.100 unheard

00:55:10.580 of

00:55:10.920 and it

00:55:11.840 sent a

00:55:12.300 message

00:55:12.560 to the

00:55:12.960 world

00:55:13.260 that the

00:55:13.780 US

00:55:14.100 isn't

00:55:14.600 necessarily

00:55:15.200 going

00:55:16.240 to come

00:55:16.880 with

00:55:17.580 old

00:55:18.580 fashioned

00:55:19.080 armaments

00:55:19.860 we're

00:55:20.420 not

00:55:20.660 going

00:55:21.000 to show

00:55:21.400 up

00:55:21.740 in the

00:55:22.520 same

00:55:22.740 way

00:55:23.000 as

00:55:23.180 the

00:55:23.300 old

00:55:23.480 days

00:55:23.760 the

00:55:24.600 US

00:55:24.820 has

00:55:24.980 all

00:55:25.160 sorts

00:55:25.520 of

00:55:25.660 new

00:55:25.960 methodologies

00:55:26.920 for

00:55:27.680 enforcing

00:55:28.580 order

00:55:29.300 and we've

00:55:30.400 seen this

00:55:30.840 in many

00:55:31.580 different

00:55:32.020 ways

00:55:32.620 in the

00:55:33.560 last

00:55:33.900 year

00:55:34.320 there's

00:55:35.060 also

00:55:35.300 been

00:55:35.580 this

00:55:35.840 whole

00:55:36.140 issue

00:55:36.580 of

00:55:36.960 controversial

00:55:38.660 as it

00:55:39.320 is

00:55:39.700 precision

00:55:40.420 targeting

00:55:41.040 of

00:55:41.380 opponents

00:55:41.940 of the

00:55:42.200 United

00:55:42.420 States

00:55:42.920 with

00:55:44.440 regard

00:55:44.800 to

00:55:45.160 the

00:55:45.540 Iranian

00:55:45.960 leadership

00:55:46.540 right

00:55:47.400 like

00:55:47.860 it's

00:55:48.660 so

00:55:48.940 precise

00:55:49.960 it's

00:55:50.800 meant

00:55:51.080 to

00:55:51.320 send

00:55:51.560 a

00:55:51.720 signal

00:55:52.020 that

00:55:52.800 if

00:55:53.320 you

00:55:53.440 really

00:55:53.960 want

00:55:54.400 to

00:55:54.600 be

00:55:54.780 America's

00:55:55.260 opponent

00:55:55.620 America

00:55:56.160 can

00:55:56.440 take

00:55:56.820 out

00:55:57.220 an

00:55:57.640 individual

00:55:58.080 at

00:55:58.380 a

00:55:58.500 time

00:55:58.960 no matter

00:56:00.480 how high

00:56:01.460 you are

00:56:02.040 no matter

00:56:02.640 how highly

00:56:03.500 protected

00:56:04.040 you are

00:56:04.700 now

00:56:05.400 is the

00:56:06.940 world

00:56:07.160 comfortable

00:56:07.580 with that

00:56:08.120 I don't

00:56:08.800 know

00:56:09.160 but the

00:56:09.840 reality

00:56:10.120 is

00:56:10.380 that's

00:56:10.960 where

00:56:11.320 America

00:56:11.920 is

00:56:12.500 so

00:56:13.340 to

00:56:14.360 not

00:56:14.800 negotiate

00:56:15.340 with

00:56:15.680 America

00:56:16.060 or

00:56:16.440 to

00:56:16.880 treat

00:56:17.200 America

00:56:17.760 as

00:56:18.420 an

00:56:19.000 unimportant

00:56:19.680 partner

00:56:20.220 in the

00:56:21.100 alliance

00:56:22.100 or

00:56:22.780 to

00:56:23.320 dismiss

00:56:23.800 it

00:56:24.000 just

00:56:24.180 because

00:56:24.540 you

00:56:24.740 don't

00:56:24.960 like

00:56:25.240 the

00:56:25.440 current

00:56:25.720 president

00:56:26.200 doesn't

00:56:27.680 really

00:56:28.060 serve

00:56:28.520 your

00:56:28.680 national

00:56:29.140 interests

00:56:29.860 and

00:56:30.540 finally

00:56:30.880 I would

00:56:31.160 say

00:56:31.460 another

00:56:31.900 one

00:56:32.260 key

00:56:32.880 point

00:56:33.300 here

00:56:33.540 is

00:56:33.780 especially

00:56:34.900 for

00:56:35.200 the

00:56:35.320 Europeans

00:56:35.680 and

00:56:35.940 I

00:56:36.080 lived

00:56:36.300 in

00:56:36.480 Europe

00:56:36.700 pretty

00:56:37.080 much

00:56:37.300 my

00:56:37.500 whole

00:56:37.740 adult

00:56:38.040 life

00:56:38.460 other

00:56:39.040 than

00:56:39.380 my

00:56:39.880 roles

00:56:40.420 in

00:56:40.620 the

00:56:41.100 White

00:56:41.440 House

00:56:41.740 which

00:56:42.620 is

00:56:42.820 strange

00:56:43.500 and

00:56:43.760 weird

00:56:44.020 but

00:56:44.240 it

00:56:44.380 worked

00:56:44.600 out

00:56:44.800 that

00:56:45.060 way

00:56:45.320 so

00:56:45.920 I'm

00:56:46.140 very

00:56:46.600 sympathetic

00:56:47.840 and

00:56:48.180 simpatico

00:56:48.880 with

00:56:49.320 Europe

00:56:50.240 and its

00:56:50.800 views

00:56:51.180 its

00:56:51.380 culture

00:56:51.820 but

00:56:52.340 the

00:56:52.540 bottom

00:56:52.780 line

00:56:53.140 is

00:56:53.680 most

00:56:54.300 Europeans

00:56:54.820 know

00:56:55.840 the

00:56:56.340 east

00:56:56.620 coast

00:56:56.940 of the

00:56:57.160 United

00:56:57.340 States

00:56:57.820 and

00:56:58.440 the

00:56:58.580 west

00:56:58.920 so

00:56:59.580 they

00:56:59.780 know

00:57:00.160 New

00:57:00.560 York

00:57:00.880 and

00:57:01.140 Boston

00:57:01.560 and

00:57:01.900 Washington

00:57:02.280 D.C.

00:57:02.820 and

00:57:03.420 they

00:57:03.600 know

00:57:04.000 LA

00:57:04.700 and

00:57:05.080 San

00:57:05.280 Francisco

00:57:05.640 these

00:57:06.860 are

00:57:07.420 not

00:57:07.780 representative

00:57:08.480 of

00:57:09.280 where

00:57:09.680 America

00:57:10.320 is

00:57:11.020 and

00:57:11.660 I

00:57:11.800 really

00:57:12.160 learned

00:57:12.480 that

00:57:12.700 when

00:57:12.880 I

00:57:13.000 worked

00:57:13.180 for

00:57:13.340 George

00:57:13.560 W.

00:57:13.860 Bush

00:57:14.000 because

00:57:14.200 I

00:57:14.440 come

00:57:14.740 from

00:57:14.960 that

00:57:15.160 background

00:57:15.560 right

00:57:15.840 my mom

00:57:16.480 is from

00:57:16.780 LA

00:57:17.100 and

00:57:17.320 I grew

00:57:18.260 up in

00:57:18.560 DC

00:57:18.860 and I

00:57:19.760 remember

00:57:20.280 referring to

00:57:20.960 the middle

00:57:21.260 of the

00:57:21.480 United

00:57:21.640 States

00:57:22.080 an

00:57:22.360 incredibly 1.00

00:57:23.100 arrogant 0.98

00:57:24.240 you know 0.99

00:57:24.960 east coast

00:57:25.940 technocrat

00:57:27.100 way of

00:57:27.980 saying

00:57:28.340 it's the

00:57:28.900 flyover

00:57:29.500 district

00:57:30.100 like who

00:57:31.320 will go

00:57:31.740 there

00:57:32.060 and then

00:57:32.900 I learned

00:57:33.540 because I

00:57:34.480 went there

00:57:35.020 and I

00:57:35.740 went there

00:57:36.220 during the

00:57:37.480 time I worked

00:57:37.980 for George

00:57:38.340 W.

00:57:38.580 Bush

00:57:38.760 and I

00:57:39.000 realized

00:57:39.360 the real

00:57:40.280 power in

00:57:41.100 the United

00:57:41.400 States

00:57:41.740 comes from

00:57:42.580 the middle

00:57:43.320 and you

00:57:44.260 have to

00:57:44.700 understand

00:57:45.420 that that

00:57:45.980 is the

00:57:46.680 real

00:57:46.940 America

00:57:47.400 so when

00:57:48.140 you say

00:57:48.620 I don't

00:57:49.040 like Donald

00:57:49.500 Trump

00:57:49.920 because he's

00:57:50.660 not like my

00:57:51.160 friends on

00:57:51.560 the east

00:57:51.840 coast

00:57:52.100 or the west

00:57:52.480 coast

00:57:52.740 you're like

00:57:53.920 then you

00:57:54.420 don't know

00:57:54.980 America

00:57:55.560 the real

00:57:56.620 America

00:57:57.000 is this

00:57:58.580 middle part

00:57:59.280 that has

00:57:59.800 a very

00:58:00.180 different

00:58:00.920 sensibility

00:58:02.060 it's much

00:58:02.660 more conservative

00:58:03.520 than you think

00:58:04.660 it is

00:58:05.080 it's it's

00:58:07.380 also a

00:58:08.660 part of the

00:58:08.980 country that

00:58:09.540 part of the

00:58:09.960 country believes

00:58:10.900 that America

00:58:12.620 shouldn't be

00:58:13.380 involved in

00:58:14.340 wars around

00:58:15.140 the world

00:58:15.660 and they

00:58:16.160 support the

00:58:16.820 president's

00:58:17.320 efforts to

00:58:18.300 do limited

00:58:19.280 actions in

00:58:20.340 order to get

00:58:21.000 longer term

00:58:21.660 results so

00:58:23.220 this is a

00:58:25.000 different America

00:58:25.740 than Europe

00:58:26.340 thought they

00:58:26.880 were dealing

00:58:27.340 with

00:58:27.720 absolutely

00:58:29.260 and what

00:58:31.180 would you

00:58:31.440 go for it

00:58:31.880 Constantine

00:58:32.200 I was just

00:58:32.760 going to say

00:58:33.280 we've come to

00:58:33.780 the end of

00:58:34.220 our hour

00:58:34.680 actually so

00:58:35.340 I think we

00:58:35.760 best wrap

00:58:36.340 up and

00:58:36.700 let Pippa

00:58:37.160 crack on

00:58:37.640 with the

00:58:38.320 busy schedule

00:58:39.020 that she

00:58:39.480 has thank

00:58:40.260 you so much

00:58:40.720 for joining

00:58:41.160 us it's been

00:58:41.620 an absolute

00:58:42.280 pleasure anything

00:58:43.200 you want to

00:58:43.740 say before we

00:58:44.880 wrap up here

00:58:45.580 uh yeah I'll

00:58:47.200 just say one

00:58:47.700 thing for

00:58:48.340 everybody listening

00:58:49.200 I think every

00:58:50.740 one of us has

00:58:51.660 a digital

00:58:52.300 sheepdog by

00:58:53.340 our side at

00:58:54.160 20 24 7

00:58:55.480 these days meaning

00:58:56.760 algorithms that

00:58:58.360 are designed to

00:59:00.580 give you more

00:59:01.240 of what you

00:59:01.840 like and to

00:59:03.180 fence off what

00:59:03.980 you don't

00:59:04.440 like and

00:59:05.260 it's narrowing

00:59:06.300 the aperture

00:59:06.880 of the view

00:59:07.740 through which

00:59:08.420 you get to

00:59:08.940 see what's

00:59:09.900 going on so

00:59:10.880 if you haven't

00:59:11.680 for example

00:59:12.100 clicked on

00:59:12.600 anything on

00:59:13.160 the space race

00:59:14.080 or the

00:59:14.860 geopolitics of

00:59:15.640 the arctic

00:59:16.160 just start

00:59:17.100 clicking on a

00:59:17.900 few of those

00:59:18.340 because it

00:59:18.740 will widen

00:59:19.480 the aperture

00:59:20.300 of the view

00:59:21.080 and I think

00:59:22.060 that would

00:59:22.420 help if the

00:59:23.220 public were

00:59:24.200 more informed

00:59:25.060 about some

00:59:26.640 of these things

00:59:27.400 even though as

00:59:28.080 you opened

00:59:28.620 it's like day

00:59:30.080 to day I'm

00:59:30.780 just going

00:59:31.240 fishing and

00:59:31.940 buying groceries

00:59:32.660 which is

00:59:33.420 exactly how

00:59:34.100 the Inuit

00:59:34.560 people here

00:59:35.400 they're like

00:59:35.900 I'm busy

00:59:36.500 I don't know

00:59:36.880 what all these

00:59:37.260 superpowers

00:59:37.780 doing I need

00:59:38.900 to go catch

00:59:39.440 some fish

00:59:39.900 and get my

00:59:40.420 kids to

00:59:40.780 school on

00:59:41.220 time but

00:59:42.300 when you

00:59:42.960 tell them

00:59:43.580 about this

00:59:44.460 wider set

00:59:45.500 of phenomena

00:59:46.220 technology the

00:59:47.440 space race

00:59:48.040 the reasons

00:59:49.080 they are like

00:59:49.700 oh this is

00:59:50.760 super important

00:59:51.780 this is

00:59:52.220 interesting so

00:59:53.400 that's my

00:59:53.960 recommendation 0.94

00:59:54.480 is punch out

00:59:56.180 that view by

00:59:57.040 training your

00:59:57.760 digital sheepdog

00:59:58.680 to widen the

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01:00:01.240 that are brought

01:00:01.780 to you

01:00:02.240 Dr.

01:00:03.300 Pippa

01:00:03.540 Mangrum thank

01:00:04.140 you so much

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TRIGGERnometry - January 22, 2026

Davos Breakdown with Presidential Advisor Dr Pippa Malmgren

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