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00:00:30.820 Four years ago, you were on stage attempting to become the Democratic nominee for president.

00:00:37.240 Hillary Clinton and many others calling me essentially a traitor to my country, a Russian asset.

00:00:42.820 But it's something, it is a tried and true playbook that they continue to turn to.

00:00:47.820 Obviously, they did with Donald Trump in 2016.

00:00:50.380 I mean, you talk about a rigged system.

00:00:52.360 This is what a rigged system looks like.

00:00:55.060 They want control and they want power.

00:00:57.520 Who's in charge of this country, Tulsi?

00:01:00.260 Because I'm going to be honest with you, because it's definitely not Joe Biden.

00:01:03.660 It can't be.

00:01:04.340 The man I see on television is not the same person that I knew and spoke to and spent time with.

00:01:10.340 These are people who are operating out of fear of losing power.

00:01:13.520 Why?

00:01:13.940 If you're 80 years old, how much more fucking power do you need?

00:01:19.600 Tulsi Gabbard, welcome to Trigonometry.

00:01:21.200 Finally.

00:01:21.760 It's a real pleasure to have you on the show.

00:01:23.480 I'm so grateful.

00:01:23.980 I've heard about you guys so much.

00:01:25.300 I met you, Francis, a few months, six months ago, maybe.

00:01:27.700 Yeah, indeed.

00:01:28.520 We met at the Mothership.

00:01:29.680 At the Comedy Mothership.

00:01:30.800 Yeah.

00:01:31.120 It was great.

00:01:32.100 So let's get straight to it.

00:01:33.660 Four years ago, you were on stage attempting to become the Democratic nominee for president.

00:01:39.180 Yes.

00:01:40.040 You dropped out.

00:01:41.300 You endorsed Joe Biden.

00:01:43.840 Here you are four years later.

00:01:44.920 You've written a book.

00:01:45.640 And part of the reason that you've written the book is to talk about the fact that you think the Democrat Party is controlled by, in your words, woke warmongers.

00:01:54.020 Yes.

00:01:54.520 You stood in for Tucker Carlson on his show.

00:01:57.680 It's been quite a journey in a very short period of time.

00:02:00.280 You know, the concept of the red pill.

00:02:02.400 You seem to have taken the bottle and been swigging away for some time now.

00:02:06.860 What happened?

00:02:07.640 You know, I've always been a very independent-minded person.

00:02:10.880 When I was first elected to Congress in 2012, I was surprised by what a huge welcome I got from not only leaders in the Democratic Party in Washington, but, you know, a lot of big figures in the mainstream media and so forth.

00:02:29.660 I didn't have any party support or backing or anything at all as I ran what was a very tough race for Congress.

00:02:36.660 And so, you know, to be invited a week or two after I was elected to go and speak at the National Democratic Convention during prime time was unexpected.

00:02:46.940 Great opportunity.

00:02:49.560 But while I was there at the convention, I was surprised because there were people, oh, Tulsi Gabbard, she's the rising star of the Democratic Party and all of this stuff.

00:02:58.480 In hindsight, looking back, it was like, okay, well, I checked a lot of the, you know, kind of the identity politics boxes.

00:03:04.120 You think it was about diversity, that?

00:03:06.400 Yes.

00:03:07.340 Yes.

00:03:09.400 And I think that they thought that, and it continued, you know, I was invited to the White House Correspondents' Dinner, I think the first year I was there.

00:03:16.740 And I remember walking out of votes one day and one of my Republican colleagues who'd been in Congress for at least five or six years before me, he's like, Tulsi, like, what's going on?

00:03:26.700 He's like, I've been here much longer than you and I've never been invited to that.

00:03:30.020 And I, like, I don't know what this, okay, I don't know, I was like, you go, you can go if you want.

00:03:36.140 But I think that they thought that I was going to be someone who was drawn into kind of the red carpet that they laid out before me and would allow myself to be a puppet.

00:03:52.560 Or allow myself to just be someone who will follow the talking points and kind of cheer the rah-rah lines that everybody uses.

00:04:00.980 But very quickly found, even within the first six months of my being in Congress back in 2013, that that was not the case.

00:04:08.520 The first turning point, and I get into this in my book, For Love of Country, how when President Obama announced in the summer of 2013 that he was going to come to Congress and ask for authorization to go and launch an attack in Syria,

00:04:24.640 in what would become kind of the first big volley of a regime change war there, I was, after doing my analysis and doing my due diligence,

00:04:35.400 I was the first Democrat to come out very strongly in opposition to President Obama's proposal and gave very well thought out reasons why.

00:04:44.640 Both based on my experience as someone who had been deployed to the Middle East twice in the military, but also I served on the Foreign Affairs Committee at the time.

00:04:53.480 And I, you know, did my research, went through all of the briefings, and really actually sincerely listened to the case that they were making

00:05:00.680 and concluded that this was not, that this would lead to yet another quagmire in the Middle East with no clear objective

00:05:10.120 and no case for why this was in the best interest of the American people, immediately got a call from the White House,

00:05:17.020 basically, in essence, saying, how dare you go against your president?

00:05:20.900 How dare you go against your party?

00:05:23.980 And that was, that was the first of what would become many of those kinds of decisions where they,

00:05:28.980 the Democrat elite realized, like, okay, she's, she's not going to be one of the people who just, you know,

00:05:35.240 go along to get along, climb the political ladder to try to advance her political position.

00:05:44.100 And, and so, you know, going down the path there of my, my run for president in 2020,

00:05:53.920 you know, I was making the case to the American people in, in two main ways.

00:06:00.280 Number one is that the Democratic Party needs to go back to being the party of JFK,

00:06:05.200 needs to go back to being the party that, that really sought to bring Martin Luther King's dream to life.

00:06:13.520 Being the party of, of the little guy, the party that celebrated free speech.

00:06:19.240 And what I saw through that experience, and what I, what I personally experienced,

00:06:23.500 was that the Democrat elite had no interest in any of that, and were directly hostile to that kind of change

00:06:30.500 that I sought to bring about. I also spoke over...

00:06:34.800 Tulsi, can I just interrupt you there? Yeah, of course.

00:06:36.220 Why are they so hostile to that change? Because the way you're saying it, I go, well, that makes complete sense.

00:06:41.760 And it would actually make the party far more electable,

00:06:44.740 because you're appealing to the ordinary man and woman on the street.

00:06:48.220 Right. Which increasingly over time, you know, a recent Gallup poll showed 43% of Americans are not affiliated with either party.

00:06:58.400 They want control, and they want power.

00:07:01.840 That is what drives them, and that's what motivates them,

00:07:04.960 even at the cost of undermining the Constitution and taking away basic fundamental freedoms,

00:07:10.200 like freedom of speech and freedom of expression.

00:07:12.120 They want to be able to control who has a voice and who doesn't.

00:07:16.520 And they have increasingly escalated their,

00:07:21.360 the tools that they are using in order to meet that end.

00:07:27.460 Well, that's something that I think we can all see with our own eyes,

00:07:30.480 but I think what's interesting about having you on the show to talk about it is,

00:07:34.280 you were on the inside.

00:07:35.600 Yeah.

00:07:35.860 Can I ask you, please don't be offended by this,

00:07:38.160 I don't mean it as an offensive question,

00:07:39.640 do you think you were naive going in?

00:07:41.920 Do you think you...

00:07:42.480 There was a bit of naivete when I made my decision to run for president.

00:07:49.300 I figured, like, hey, look, I know I will be, this is a long shot,

00:07:53.540 I am the definition of an underdog in this race,

00:07:56.400 there's no way I'll be able to raise the amount of money that a Joe Biden or a Kamala Harris would be able to raise,

00:08:02.100 but I thought at least in this Democratic Republic,

00:08:06.720 at a minimum, I will have just as fair a shot as anyone on that debate stage

00:08:12.160 to make my case to the American people and allow them to do what we do,

00:08:16.720 what we're supposed to do in this country,

00:08:18.200 they will get to make the decision.

00:08:20.600 That's it.

00:08:21.940 That, I discovered that to be a false assumption the day I announced my candidacy.

00:08:28.120 The very day I announced my candidacy, as I was walking up on the stage to make that announcement in Hawaii,

00:08:36.260 NBCnews.com put out a smear piece on me,

00:08:40.000 started planting the seeds of suspicion and doubt,

00:08:43.340 like, oh, there's something weird going on with Tulsi Gabbard,

00:08:47.060 the Russians are really interested in her,

00:08:49.180 and this, of course, became something that was a common refrain,

00:08:53.400 not only for me, you know, Hillary Clinton and many others calling me essentially a traitor to my country,

00:08:59.740 a Russian asset,

00:09:01.200 but it's something, it is a tried and true playbook that they continue to turn to.

00:09:06.180 Obviously, they did it with Donald Trump in 2016,

00:09:08.660 they do it with Tucker Carlson,

00:09:10.040 they do it with Bobby Kennedy,

00:09:11.380 they do it with anyone who they deem as a political threat.

00:09:17.380 And so what I saw throughout that experience,

00:09:20.100 on the debate stage, for example,

00:09:22.540 it happened in the first debate and in every debate after that,

00:09:25.600 on average in a two-hour long debate,

00:09:27.180 I got about six minutes of speaking time.

00:09:29.900 And it didn't matter that after that first debate,

00:09:32.660 I was the most searched candidate of the night,

00:09:36.280 which is what I had hoped for.

00:09:38.160 The same happened again with the second debate.

00:09:41.380 Nothing changed, it just got worse, ultimately.

00:09:44.620 So not only limiting the exposure of different Democratic candidates to voters

00:09:49.620 through limited time on the debate stage,

00:09:51.840 but actually working in a concerted way with big tech

00:09:55.720 and the big mainstream propaganda media

00:09:58.580 to control what information voters saw

00:10:01.980 about the candidates that were running in that election,

00:10:05.760 really revealing in real time

00:10:09.400 I mean, you talk about a rigged system,

00:10:13.820 this is what a rigged system looks like.

00:10:16.300 You can say, well, voters are the ones who make this decision.

00:10:20.340 But you've got to understand the context with which they're making that decision.

00:10:23.740 If the information that they're getting

00:10:25.900 when they type in who is Tulsi Gabbard

00:10:28.180 and Google decides to push certain information

00:10:30.700 that is less than flattering at best,

00:10:33.600 but complete false accusations and smears,

00:10:37.880 which is what they did,

00:10:40.240 then, you know, they're tilting the scales.

00:10:42.740 When you have CNN, for example,

00:10:45.180 every candidate running for president at that time

00:10:46.900 got at least one televised town hall on CNN.

00:10:52.540 Most had multiple.

00:10:54.400 I had one.

00:10:55.820 And I didn't find out until a friend of mine called me

00:10:58.480 and they said, you know, CNN has a digital library

00:11:00.660 where you can go and you can go and re-watch

00:11:03.180 these town halls of the different presidential candidates.

00:11:05.720 Why isn't yours on there?

00:11:06.780 Well, they obviously took it down.

00:11:10.320 And I was the only candidate who had a town hall

00:11:13.140 that they actually took that down off the library.

00:11:15.460 So it was little things and it was big things

00:11:17.820 that made it very clear.

00:11:19.420 They had made the decision of which candidates

00:11:22.040 were acceptable to them for the American people

00:11:24.620 to choose from and which were not.

00:11:26.500 Your frustrations with the Democrat Party,

00:11:28.440 I think, widely shared and entirely understandable.

00:11:31.960 The problem as an outsider with the American system

00:11:34.800 is it's not like the other side is perfect either.

00:11:38.760 No.

00:11:39.260 And yet you are now in a position

00:11:40.860 where you're effectively backing Donald Trump,

00:11:42.840 as I understand it.

00:11:43.540 Is that fair?

00:11:44.340 I haven't made any endorsements.

00:11:45.540 Oh, you haven't?

00:11:46.140 Okay.

00:11:46.460 But I have been and continue to be very clear and outspoken.

00:11:50.720 And it really is one of the major takeaways of my book

00:11:53.680 is how and why allowing President Biden

00:11:57.620 and the Democrat elite to remain in power

00:12:01.260 will result in the further erosion of our freedom

00:12:05.300 and the loss of what we know and love about America.

00:12:10.820 We've seen such a brazen abuse of power

00:12:13.940 coming from this administration,

00:12:16.480 weaponizing the Department of Justice,

00:12:18.820 undermining the rule of law,

00:12:20.560 interfering with our democracy,

00:12:22.600 trying to limit who we're able to vote for in this election.

00:12:26.040 There are so many different examples at this point

00:12:28.340 that if they're allowed to remain in power

00:12:30.780 and are reelected in November of this year,

00:12:35.340 they will only continue to rapidly escalate

00:12:39.300 what they're doing

00:12:40.440 because they will run around the country saying,

00:12:42.760 hey, you as voters have given us a mandate.

00:12:45.000 You've told us that we were obviously doing a good job

00:12:47.120 and we're going to continue to do this.

00:12:49.360 And censorship, an undermining of free speech,

00:12:53.360 these types of things will only continue and get worse.

00:12:56.120 Sure.

00:12:56.380 I hear you.

00:12:57.100 What I'm getting at, though,

00:12:58.660 is I'm not sure that if and when President Trump

00:13:02.340 becomes president again, let's say that happens,

00:13:04.940 that all of this will magically go away.

00:13:06.840 Oh, no.

00:13:07.240 You know, so this is from an outside perspective

00:13:10.620 of someone who loves America

00:13:11.620 and wants this country to be successful

00:13:13.200 and flourish and be great.

00:13:15.220 It doesn't seem like you've got great choices

00:13:17.540 is what I'm getting at,

00:13:19.320 which is interesting given that America

00:13:20.580 is all about having choices

00:13:21.980 and food and drink and whatever, right?

00:13:23.900 You seem to have ended up somehow in a position

00:13:26.380 where you've got this choice between two very old men,

00:13:29.020 neither of whom is that popular, let's be honest,

00:13:31.960 with the whole country both quite divisive

00:13:34.400 and polarizing at this point.

00:13:37.840 Where does America go from here?

00:13:39.200 We have to see the world through very clear.

00:13:44.660 We have to be very clear eyed about what we're facing.

00:13:47.660 And between if you compare the record of President Biden

00:13:51.160 and President Trump on key issues

00:13:54.440 that are directly impacting us in America today,

00:13:58.820 there's not much, like, gray area

00:14:04.080 where there's overlap between the two of them.

00:14:06.620 When you look at issues like border security,

00:14:09.300 when you look at things like,

00:14:10.480 we were talking about this a little bit earlier,

00:14:12.240 about Title IX

00:14:13.980 and how Title IX was created in America

00:14:18.200 to make sure that women and girls

00:14:19.460 have a level playing field in sports and in education.

00:14:22.320 President Biden completely destroyed Title IX

00:14:24.560 through a backdoor rule change,

00:14:26.960 didn't even go through Congress.

00:14:28.480 It was passed into law by Congress over 50 years ago.

00:14:32.020 If he and his administration wanted to change it,

00:14:35.620 as they do, to include transgender,

00:14:39.760 which completely takes away equal opportunity

00:14:42.780 and a level playing field for women and girls,

00:14:45.400 they should have made the case to the American people

00:14:47.340 and done it through Congress.

00:14:48.560 That's the way our system of governance is set up.

00:14:51.060 Instead, they backdoored this through a rule change

00:14:53.320 that has now made it

00:14:55.480 so that little girls will be forced into a bathroom

00:14:58.060 with little boys who say,

00:14:59.920 well, I'm a girl now.

00:15:01.780 If you look at our education system as a whole,

00:15:06.220 if you look at our economy,

00:15:07.500 if you look at what's happening

00:15:09.040 on the foreign policy front,

00:15:10.480 there are clear distinctions

00:15:11.500 between the record of Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

00:15:15.320 And so that's where in my book,

00:15:16.440 I encourage people to be very clear-eyed

00:15:20.600 about the consequences of many of these policies

00:15:23.640 that are undermining our security,

00:15:28.540 our freedom,

00:15:29.160 and the rule of law in our country

00:15:30.580 and make a decision accordingly.

00:15:34.340 Who's in charge of this country, Tulsi?

00:15:36.500 Because I'm going to be honest with you.

00:15:38.000 I don't know a lot about the government,

00:15:40.760 but I know it's not George...

00:15:42.000 George...

00:15:42.480 It's definitely not George Bush, mate.

00:15:44.260 It's definitely not George Bush.

00:15:45.400 I had a Joe Biden moment

00:15:46.600 while saying Joe Biden's name.

00:15:48.400 Because it's definitely not Joe Biden.

00:15:50.220 It can't be.

00:15:52.160 You know,

00:15:53.400 he is surrounded by people

00:15:57.180 who are alumni of President Obama's administration

00:16:01.260 and alumni of Hillary Clinton

00:16:05.520 from when she was Secretary of State

00:16:07.100 and obviously her campaign.

00:16:08.260 He is claiming

00:16:10.400 and his record is being touted

00:16:14.360 as, quote-unquote,

00:16:15.520 the most progressive presidency

00:16:17.000 in our country's history.

00:16:19.460 You know,

00:16:20.380 there are clearly

00:16:21.560 some cognitive challenges

00:16:24.080 that Joe Biden puts on display.

00:16:28.120 But I refuse to remove

00:16:31.840 responsibility from him

00:16:34.740 because he is the President of the United States.

00:16:39.160 Have you met him?

00:16:40.100 I know him, yeah.

00:16:40.940 You know him?

00:16:41.340 Yeah.

00:16:41.680 I've known him for many years.

00:16:43.080 Can I ask you a very unpleasant question

00:16:44.100 to ask about some...

00:16:45.280 I always have a tremendous amount of respect

00:16:47.280 for all the people

00:16:48.240 and it's never something

00:16:50.200 I enjoy talking about.

00:16:51.960 But when someone's running a country,

00:16:53.200 you kind of have to ask...

00:16:53.760 And who wants to continue running the country.

00:16:55.500 Correct.

00:16:56.020 Yes.

00:16:56.600 When we see cognitive issues in the media,

00:16:59.160 it's a 15-second clip.

00:17:00.400 I don't know what the hell is going on.

00:17:01.880 Maybe...

00:17:02.720 I don't know.

00:17:03.380 Are those issues real?

00:17:05.880 The cognitive decline?

00:17:06.860 So I have not met with him

00:17:07.680 or had a conversation with him

00:17:09.200 since he was elected as President.

00:17:11.500 So I'll just...

00:17:12.540 That's the truth.

00:17:14.240 I saw him many times, obviously,

00:17:16.700 and had many conversations with him

00:17:18.120 through that 2020 presidential campaign.

00:17:20.340 We were often in the same places.

00:17:25.360 And...

00:17:25.800 The man I see on television

00:17:27.780 is not the same person

00:17:29.160 that I knew and spoke to

00:17:30.960 and spent time with in 2020

00:17:32.400 or the years prior to that.

00:17:35.380 Because we look at that...

00:17:38.940 And I say that both in, you know,

00:17:42.960 kind of the delivery

00:17:45.800 and the halting speeches

00:17:46.820 and the, what do you call it,

00:17:48.880 the fumbles or the bumbles or whatever.

00:17:50.780 You know, he's reading the teleprompter

00:17:52.180 and, you know, the most recent one

00:17:54.280 where he was like,

00:17:56.200 pause and last name

00:17:58.620 and reading instructions on the teleprompter

00:18:01.180 instead of actually just communicating.

00:18:02.820 There's all of that kind of stuff.

00:18:04.660 But I also mean that in the substantive sense

00:18:07.460 that Joe Biden was...

00:18:09.800 His campaign was built upon the fact that,

00:18:12.240 yeah, he's kind of boring,

00:18:13.980 but he's, you know,

00:18:16.200 a common-sense-minded person

00:18:17.760 and he can relate to people

00:18:19.100 and he can talk to people.

00:18:20.160 And he was seen as more of a moderating force

00:18:23.500 that had...

00:18:25.440 He was touted as the guy

00:18:26.860 who could bring the country together

00:18:28.060 and heal the divisive wounds

00:18:30.880 that existed in the country.

00:18:32.580 He has not done that.

00:18:33.960 He has done the exact opposite of that

00:18:35.860 almost from the very day that he took office.

00:18:38.760 So it's in both senses.

00:18:41.300 And this is why I refuse to

00:18:43.540 let him get away with just like,

00:18:47.200 oh, well, you know, he's just old.

00:18:49.520 He is responsible for those

00:18:51.580 he has chosen to surround himself with

00:18:53.460 and for the decisions he has made

00:18:55.340 and the policies that he is pushing in this country

00:18:57.540 that are bad for our country and our democracy.

00:19:00.620 I quite agree with you.

00:19:01.820 And for somebody who is not an American,

00:19:04.760 to see Joe Biden speaking...

00:19:07.260 Look, some people, you know, people make jokes.

00:19:09.280 I personally find it terrifying.

00:19:11.340 This is the most powerful country in the world.

00:19:13.320 We are in a period with ever greater instability

00:19:18.120 when it comes to geopolitics.

00:19:19.920 And you've got a man who seems unable

00:19:22.760 to string a sentence together.

00:19:24.360 I fail to see the humor in that

00:19:26.740 and I find it profoundly worrying.

00:19:29.180 I am also extremely worried.

00:19:32.300 I, you know, I'm not running for office,

00:19:34.660 but I care very much about our country.

00:19:38.400 I've dedicated my life in different ways

00:19:40.220 in serving our country and defending freedom and security.

00:19:44.880 I will do everything that I can

00:19:47.140 to make sure that whether it's him or...

00:19:50.220 And this is, again, where people are saying,

00:19:52.800 well, what if, you know, maybe Joe Biden gets replaced,

00:19:55.460 whether it's by Kamala Harris,

00:19:56.640 or maybe he drops out at the last minute

00:19:58.300 at the convention.

00:19:59.020 They bring in somebody completely different and new.

00:20:01.720 My point to voters as I travel and I speak to people

00:20:04.280 is don't allow yourself to be distracted by that

00:20:07.720 because ultimately Kamala Harris arguably

00:20:12.060 would be even worse and more dangerous than Joe Biden.

00:20:15.640 But whoever they would put in place there

00:20:18.100 would continue the very same anti-freedom,

00:20:22.480 anti-Constitution policies that they have executed.

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00:20:57.060 Why would she be worse and more dangerous?

00:20:59.400 Because that's quite a bold statement.

00:21:02.980 She is, for a few reasons.

00:21:07.740 I find her to be wholly unprepared

00:21:11.600 and incapable of doing the job.

00:21:15.280 I have zero trust and confidence

00:21:17.240 in her ability to lead our country.

00:21:19.560 I have zero confidence in her ability

00:21:21.340 to be the vice president.

00:21:22.340 She's not delivered in any of the areas

00:21:24.380 that she has been tasked with,

00:21:26.640 foremost among them, border security.

00:21:32.180 The most dangerous thing is that she,

00:21:37.680 this is personal to me,

00:21:39.180 as I've served now in the military

00:21:41.320 for over 21 years.

00:21:42.400 I'm in the Army Reserve now

00:21:43.720 and a commander of soldiers.

00:21:47.200 To see Kamala Harris as commander-in-chief

00:21:50.280 would guarantee that we would end up

00:21:53.480 in at least one, if not many,

00:21:55.880 wars that are counter to our country's interest

00:21:59.780 and counter to the interest of just peace

00:22:02.920 and prosperity in the world

00:22:04.380 because she and people like her

00:22:07.560 will feel the need to prove her strength.

00:22:13.120 And if you're the commander-in-chief

00:22:14.620 and you're Kamala Harris,

00:22:16.180 the way that she would do that

00:22:18.100 is by, well, let's go and knee-jerk reaction,

00:22:20.960 go and drop bombs on this other country.

00:22:22.860 Use our military,

00:22:24.400 my brothers and sisters in uniform,

00:22:26.100 us,

00:22:27.020 to be that show of strength,

00:22:29.780 which is, you know,

00:22:32.000 maybe for her,

00:22:34.220 people like her,

00:22:35.600 an exercise that they,

00:22:37.780 kind of a theoretical exercise

00:22:39.700 or an easy decision to make.

00:22:42.620 But for those of us

00:22:43.480 who have lived through this,

00:22:45.200 it impacts very real people's lives,

00:22:48.440 those who serve in uniform

00:22:49.660 as well as our families.

00:22:51.280 And our lives are worth more

00:22:54.400 than some politician

00:22:56.300 who's trying to act strong

00:22:58.400 and look like they can handle

00:23:00.260 tough decisions.

00:23:02.360 But do you think

00:23:03.260 that she's a diversity hire,

00:23:06.300 that they put her there

00:23:07.220 because they wanted to show,

00:23:09.560 you know,

00:23:09.740 this is a woman of color

00:23:10.980 and, you know,

00:23:11.920 the Democrat Party believes in,

00:23:14.200 you know,

00:23:14.800 putting forward people

00:23:16.020 regardless of race,

00:23:18.080 gender, ethnicity,

00:23:19.280 because this is a new America.

00:23:21.500 Do you think she was there?

00:23:22.800 I was, you know,

00:23:23.380 obviously I wasn't privy

00:23:24.260 to any of those conversations,

00:23:25.260 but if I remember correctly,

00:23:26.980 Joe Biden himself said

00:23:28.700 that he would absolutely only,

00:23:30.600 like he would only choose a woman

00:23:31.920 and then I think

00:23:32.600 that was narrowed down

00:23:33.460 to he would only choose

00:23:34.200 a black woman.

00:23:35.540 So to me,

00:23:36.880 and this is something

00:23:37.760 when I was campaigning

00:23:38.980 against Hillary Clinton in 2016,

00:23:40.780 I had people in the media

00:23:42.580 telling me like,

00:23:44.100 how can you do this as a woman?

00:23:46.260 How could you not support

00:23:47.460 this candidate

00:23:48.100 who may be the first female

00:23:50.040 president of the United States?

00:23:51.420 Like this is pretty offensive

00:23:52.820 to your gender?

00:23:56.260 And my response to them was like,

00:23:58.440 I am completely offended

00:23:59.800 that you think

00:24:00.560 I am reduced

00:24:02.300 to my body parts

00:24:03.760 and that I don't have

00:24:05.360 the intellectual capability

00:24:06.760 to actually look at

00:24:08.000 a person's record

00:24:09.280 and make my decision

00:24:10.880 about whether to support

00:24:11.960 or oppose

00:24:12.620 based on what kind of president

00:24:14.220 they would be.

00:24:15.580 Like it's so...

00:24:17.560 Kelsey, how did we get here?

00:24:19.220 How did we get here?

00:24:21.540 You talked about...

00:24:22.760 See, I like progress.

00:24:26.100 Progress is good, right?

00:24:27.180 I think we all like progress.

00:24:28.920 You said,

00:24:29.980 Joe Biden talks about

00:24:31.500 how his administration

00:24:32.660 is the most progressive

00:24:33.540 administration in history.

00:24:35.260 And I instinctively inside went,

00:24:37.100 ugh!

00:24:37.660 Because progress now means

00:24:39.700 hating men,

00:24:40.980 hating white people,

00:24:42.240 picking people on the basis

00:24:43.360 of their skin color,

00:24:44.320 exactly the opposite

00:24:45.160 of Martin Luther King,

00:24:46.440 his dream.

00:24:48.900 Men can be women.

00:24:49.780 all, you know...

00:24:51.300 It's the opposite of progress.

00:24:52.960 It's literally the opposite.

00:24:55.000 How did this happen?

00:24:56.120 How are we here?

00:24:58.240 You know, it's...

00:25:00.000 people in leadership positions

00:25:03.000 who operate from

00:25:05.220 a place of fear

00:25:06.840 rather than

00:25:09.000 a place of strength

00:25:11.840 that is grounded

00:25:12.860 in the founding principles

00:25:14.800 of our country

00:25:15.720 and the examples

00:25:17.080 that have been set forward

00:25:18.300 by people

00:25:19.060 like Martin Luther King.

00:25:20.980 And they're so afraid

00:25:22.360 of being labeled

00:25:23.400 by the fringe activists,

00:25:26.620 the so-called woke activists

00:25:29.120 within the Democratic Party

00:25:30.600 that,

00:25:31.580 and especially over

00:25:32.320 these last few years,

00:25:33.540 especially since 2016

00:25:34.920 when, you know,

00:25:36.320 it wasn't called it back then,

00:25:37.600 but this whole

00:25:38.060 Trump derangement syndrome

00:25:39.420 caused otherwise,

00:25:42.260 you know,

00:25:44.540 sensible,

00:25:45.460 thoughtful people

00:25:46.380 to just throw reason

00:25:48.240 out the window

00:25:49.200 as a reaction,

00:25:51.620 I think,

00:25:52.040 to Trump.

00:25:53.560 And so,

00:25:54.760 we are

00:25:55.440 where we are.

00:25:57.440 And it is...

00:25:59.980 I hope that more

00:26:01.800 and more Americans

00:26:02.600 are seeing this

00:26:04.480 for what it is

00:26:05.800 and how

00:26:07.120 even those

00:26:08.600 with good intentions

00:26:09.540 will let's,

00:26:10.140 you know,

00:26:10.240 we should be kind

00:26:11.040 and, you know,

00:26:11.940 everyone should be able

00:26:12.580 to live their lives,

00:26:13.340 which I agree with.

00:26:13.940 Everyone,

00:26:14.360 every adult

00:26:15.140 in a free country

00:26:16.020 should be allowed

00:26:17.380 to live their lives

00:26:18.240 in the way that they choose,

00:26:19.140 whether I like it or not.

00:26:20.120 Go live your life.

00:26:20.860 You may not like the choices

00:26:21.780 I make in my life.

00:26:22.680 That's my business,

00:26:23.380 not your business.

00:26:24.780 But we live in a time now

00:26:26.600 where

00:26:26.920 I was just...

00:26:30.140 A friend of mine

00:26:30.660 dropped me off here

00:26:31.560 and she does not have

00:26:33.120 anything to do with politics.

00:26:34.220 She works in corporate America.

00:26:36.380 And I was like,

00:26:37.280 oh, what meeting

00:26:37.900 are you going to?

00:26:38.500 She's like,

00:26:39.120 oh, she was about to say

00:26:39.960 we're going to an

00:26:40.540 all-hands meeting.

00:26:41.800 She's like,

00:26:42.120 oh, but I just found out

00:26:42.900 we're not allowed

00:26:43.280 to say that anymore.

00:26:44.320 We're not allowed

00:26:44.620 to call it an all-hands meeting.

00:26:46.780 Like, okay,

00:26:47.800 what in the world is like,

00:26:49.120 who could be offended by that?

00:26:50.940 People without hands.

00:26:52.960 Yes.

00:26:54.380 Yes.

00:26:55.620 So they're not allowed

00:26:56.240 to call it an all-hands meeting

00:26:57.500 anymore.

00:26:59.680 Well, I'm relieved.

00:27:02.680 Has this one been weighing on you?

00:27:04.080 This is progress.

00:27:05.200 Yeah, the handlers community

00:27:07.080 need to be protected.

00:27:08.240 They need our help.

00:27:09.320 Yeah.

00:27:10.860 It's just insanity.

00:27:12.240 Do you pinch yourself sometimes?

00:27:14.040 Sometimes I look at the news

00:27:15.500 and I just go,

00:27:16.400 I have no fucking idea

00:27:17.300 what's going on.

00:27:17.780 I, unfortunately,

00:27:20.900 I have been through

00:27:21.880 so much of this

00:27:23.260 for so long

00:27:24.880 that it just doesn't

00:27:27.540 surprise me anymore

00:27:29.860 because these are people

00:27:31.080 who literally have allowed

00:27:33.540 themselves to go insane

00:27:35.520 or even if they are still

00:27:37.320 clear-headed people,

00:27:39.200 they are so terrified

00:27:40.480 of being excoriated

00:27:43.420 and criticized

00:27:44.120 and smeared

00:27:45.280 and attacked

00:27:45.820 like I have been

00:27:46.720 by the Democratic Party

00:27:48.040 that they're more than happy

00:27:50.060 to just like

00:27:50.980 remain silent

00:27:52.840 if nothing else

00:27:53.960 or just, you know,

00:27:55.540 give the, hey,

00:27:56.880 thumbs up

00:27:57.680 even though they know

00:27:58.560 in their heart

00:27:59.220 that this is not,

00:28:00.280 this is not good.

00:28:01.900 It's not good for our country.

00:28:03.160 It's not good for our society.

00:28:04.520 We are not actually

00:28:05.600 making progress

00:28:06.340 as a country.

00:28:07.660 One of the things

00:28:08.480 I wanted to ask you about,

00:28:10.420 Telsey,

00:28:10.800 is something that strikes me

00:28:11.920 about you personally.

00:28:12.820 There's lots of policy stuff

00:28:14.040 we want to talk to you

00:28:14.660 about as well,

00:28:15.220 but the way the conversation

00:28:17.680 about men and women

00:28:18.560 has been had

00:28:19.200 over recent years

00:28:20.000 really troubles me

00:28:20.860 and one of the things

00:28:21.580 I really like about you

00:28:22.700 is you're able to be strong

00:28:24.480 and confident

00:28:25.500 and make an impact

00:28:26.660 without losing femininity.

00:28:29.380 You have grace.

00:28:31.000 I even worry about saying

00:28:32.960 the things that femininity

00:28:34.280 traditionally

00:28:34.840 is associated with,

00:28:36.460 but you have them, right?

00:28:37.860 So how do you see

00:28:39.260 that discussion

00:28:40.500 about men, women,

00:28:42.380 women's roles,

00:28:43.120 men's roles, etc.,

00:28:44.040 in our society today?

00:28:47.020 So I want to say

00:28:48.120 a couple of things on this

00:28:49.160 because I think

00:28:50.040 it's important

00:28:51.280 in a general sense,

00:28:52.400 even stepping outside

00:28:53.300 of politics,

00:28:55.020 and it's something

00:28:55.580 that I've experienced

00:28:56.360 in the military

00:28:57.120 as well as in politics,

00:28:58.540 where women

00:29:01.060 who work in fields

00:29:03.100 that remain

00:29:04.720 predominantly male,

00:29:08.620 you know,

00:29:09.320 you often walk in the door

00:29:11.100 and you're already operating

00:29:12.700 at a deficit.

00:29:13.800 Not with everybody,

00:29:15.080 but there's often

00:29:15.760 a perception of like,

00:29:17.120 okay,

00:29:18.240 like,

00:29:18.960 especially in the military,

00:29:19.980 it's like,

00:29:20.240 okay,

00:29:20.680 like,

00:29:21.340 how tough are you,

00:29:22.520 really?

00:29:22.880 And so I was part

00:29:26.340 of a military training

00:29:28.120 event recently

00:29:28.840 where there was

00:29:29.420 a fellow female officer

00:29:31.820 who was about

00:29:32.280 to take command

00:29:32.940 of a unit

00:29:33.300 and it was part

00:29:33.740 of the conversation

00:29:34.480 of how does

00:29:36.740 a woman leader

00:29:37.620 make a good

00:29:38.420 first impression

00:29:39.400 as you're coming in?

00:29:41.160 You are the commander

00:29:42.180 of hundreds of soldiers

00:29:43.600 and they're all

00:29:44.740 looking at you,

00:29:45.960 thinking whatever

00:29:46.500 they're thinking,

00:29:47.860 how do you make

00:29:48.560 that strong

00:29:49.160 first impression?

00:29:49.940 And she was,

00:29:51.120 and again,

00:29:51.420 this was a closed room.

00:29:52.600 It was amongst peers

00:29:54.540 and it was a great

00:29:55.700 open dialogue.

00:29:57.120 But her first thought

00:29:58.520 was,

00:29:58.840 you know what?

00:29:59.200 I'm going to go in

00:29:59.940 and I'm not going

00:30:00.520 to smile.

00:30:01.320 I'm not going to laugh.

00:30:02.380 I'm not going to joke

00:30:03.140 around with anybody

00:30:03.880 for at least a month

00:30:05.040 so that they know

00:30:06.460 that I'm business,

00:30:08.220 I'm tough,

00:30:09.280 I'm strong.

00:30:10.720 And,

00:30:11.240 and,

00:30:11.640 you know,

00:30:11.940 I just shared

00:30:13.180 my experiences

00:30:14.660 with her.

00:30:15.400 I was just like,

00:30:16.400 be yourself.

00:30:18.180 Be yourself.

00:30:19.100 You are confident

00:30:20.560 in your capabilities.

00:30:21.600 Yes,

00:30:21.840 she said,

00:30:22.180 of course.

00:30:23.100 You are able

00:30:23.800 to take on this job

00:30:24.940 and kick ass at it.

00:30:26.420 Yes,

00:30:26.980 absolutely.

00:30:28.300 Be yourself.

00:30:30.200 When it's time

00:30:31.200 to deal with serious things,

00:30:32.660 be serious.

00:30:34.160 When,

00:30:34.320 you know,

00:30:34.860 make a joke

00:30:35.600 and laugh

00:30:36.360 every now and then,

00:30:37.540 you know what I mean?

00:30:38.080 Just,

00:30:38.320 just be yourself.

00:30:39.340 And I think,

00:30:40.520 you know,

00:30:41.220 a parallel exists

00:30:42.540 in politics

00:30:43.400 where people feel

00:30:45.500 like

00:30:45.940 they have to sound

00:30:48.860 a certain way

00:30:49.620 or talk a certain way

00:30:51.020 to be seen

00:30:52.080 as a politician.

00:30:54.140 And

00:30:54.500 when that happens

00:30:56.560 too much,

00:30:57.080 and I see it in Washington

00:30:57.980 all the time,

00:30:59.700 you know,

00:31:00.100 they,

00:31:00.280 they create a persona

00:31:02.060 that's not real.

00:31:03.560 And so,

00:31:04.960 people,

00:31:05.520 everyday voters,

00:31:06.280 are like,

00:31:06.840 there's another fake politician

00:31:09.100 because it's obviously fake.

00:31:11.860 Instead of just,

00:31:12.980 like,

00:31:13.520 be yourself.

00:31:14.240 If you care about something,

00:31:15.320 talk about the things

00:31:16.120 that you care about.

00:31:17.700 I,

00:31:18.180 I find when I meet people

00:31:19.540 who've only seen me on TV

00:31:20.960 or whatever,

00:31:22.260 they're like,

00:31:22.980 oh my God,

00:31:23.700 you're so normal.

00:31:25.840 And it's like,

00:31:26.720 shock.

00:31:27.280 I'm like,

00:31:27.540 that's horrible.

00:31:28.280 Like,

00:31:28.560 thank you.

00:31:30.020 But it's unfortunate

00:31:31.300 that it's,

00:31:32.020 it's like the,

00:31:33.060 the exception

00:31:33.960 rather than the norm.

00:31:36.140 And,

00:31:37.080 you know,

00:31:38.120 my strength comes from

00:31:40.340 my groundedness

00:31:41.520 in my purpose in life

00:31:43.120 and not having any doubt

00:31:45.400 about who I am

00:31:46.740 and why I'm doing

00:31:47.700 what I'm doing

00:31:48.580 and,

00:31:49.840 and,

00:31:50.680 and not feeling the need

00:31:52.260 to try to create something

00:31:54.440 that's not,

00:31:55.280 that's not there.

00:31:57.600 Tosi,

00:31:58.220 before we-

00:31:58.640 Does that answer your question?

00:31:59.740 The answer's part of it.

00:32:00.940 Okay.

00:32:01.380 I guess I also wanted

00:32:02.560 to hear a little bit more

00:32:03.740 about the relationship

00:32:05.600 between men and women

00:32:06.800 at societal level.

00:32:08.120 Yeah.

00:32:08.340 The way we talk about

00:32:09.520 that,

00:32:10.380 the way we talk about

00:32:11.260 the roles of men and women

00:32:12.580 and,

00:32:13.600 you know,

00:32:14.540 I know you've talked openly

00:32:15.960 about how wokeness

00:32:17.100 is anti-white,

00:32:17.940 but I also think

00:32:18.620 I'm not some men's rights,

00:32:20.360 blah, blah, blah.

00:32:21.120 I'm,

00:32:21.320 I'm worried about

00:32:22.300 the fact that men and women

00:32:23.900 are being encouraged

00:32:24.840 to be disconnected

00:32:25.600 from each other.

00:32:26.880 The men and women

00:32:27.480 are encouraged

00:32:27.940 to see each other

00:32:28.580 as enemies

00:32:29.080 instead of

00:32:29.720 people working together

00:32:31.120 for,

00:32:31.680 that's what I,

00:32:33.180 I think you're uniquely

00:32:34.400 placed to talk about

00:32:35.220 that.

00:32:35.440 That's why I'm asking.

00:32:35.980 Um,

00:32:38.240 yeah,

00:32:38.620 I mean,

00:32:38.860 I think that,

00:32:39.860 uh,

00:32:40.480 what we're seeing

00:32:41.240 in our country here

00:32:42.320 is we are being divided

00:32:43.840 on many fronts

00:32:44.720 and this is,

00:32:45.740 this is one of them.

00:32:47.560 Uh,

00:32:48.000 you know,

00:32:48.380 now is a time

00:32:49.180 where I see an opportunity

00:32:50.160 for men and women

00:32:51.120 to come together

00:32:52.120 around the basic

00:32:54.560 objective truth

00:32:55.960 of our biological differences

00:32:57.680 and not that one is strong

00:32:59.880 and one is weak

00:33:00.720 is we are unique

00:33:02.100 and different

00:33:03.260 biologically,

00:33:04.720 uh,

00:33:05.220 and that is a fact

00:33:06.200 and if we can't stand

00:33:07.560 together around that

00:33:08.640 then,

00:33:09.440 you know,

00:33:09.840 I,

00:33:10.060 I don't,

00:33:10.400 I don't really know

00:33:11.240 what,

00:33:11.640 what to say.

00:33:13.520 Um,

00:33:14.160 you know,

00:33:14.460 I,

00:33:14.580 I can just,

00:33:15.440 uh,

00:33:16.940 things evolve

00:33:18.840 and things change

00:33:19.680 and,

00:33:19.960 and the culture changes

00:33:21.220 and the way people

00:33:21.880 perceive each other,

00:33:22.880 uh,

00:33:23.940 changes,

00:33:24.800 from my personal experience,

00:33:27.280 you know,

00:33:27.440 I was,

00:33:28.180 uh,

00:33:28.640 fourth of five kids,

00:33:29.780 I am the fourth of five kids,

00:33:30.940 I have three older brothers

00:33:31.640 and younger sister

00:33:32.440 and I'm,

00:33:33.580 I'm grateful to my parents

00:33:34.600 for so many things

00:33:35.600 but they never,

00:33:37.840 there was never any,

00:33:39.940 like,

00:33:40.880 uh,

00:33:41.740 predisposition

00:33:42.640 or,

00:33:43.120 or limits of like,

00:33:44.140 oh,

00:33:44.260 your brothers are,

00:33:45.060 can do this

00:33:45.500 but you girls can't do that,

00:33:47.000 my younger sister and I.

00:33:48.900 And,

00:33:49.440 and so,

00:33:50.000 for example,

00:33:50.420 when I went

00:33:51.200 and,

00:33:51.800 um,

00:33:53.080 uh,

00:33:53.440 shipped off to basic training

00:33:54.740 for example,

00:33:55.440 for the army,

00:33:56.540 uh,

00:33:56.920 I went in

00:33:57.580 and I'm just like,

00:33:58.420 every challenge that we got

00:33:59.600 whether it was a physical challenge

00:34:00.640 or a shooting challenge

00:34:01.440 or whatever it was,

00:34:02.900 like,

00:34:03.180 my thing is,

00:34:03.660 if I'm gonna do it,

00:34:04.400 I'm gonna do my best

00:34:05.180 and I will try to be excellent

00:34:07.200 at everything I do

00:34:08.340 and it was not like

00:34:09.580 I wanna be the best

00:34:10.500 female soldier here,

00:34:12.200 like,

00:34:12.780 no,

00:34:13.300 of course I wanna be the best,

00:34:14.740 not because I want the,

00:34:16.000 the,

00:34:16.320 the spotlight

00:34:17.420 for any reason

00:34:18.360 but why,

00:34:19.720 if you're gonna do something,

00:34:20.740 don't be half-assed about it.

00:34:22.580 And,

00:34:22.960 and so,

00:34:23.680 I'm just grateful

00:34:24.780 that I was not brought up

00:34:26.560 with some kind

00:34:27.280 of artificial sense

00:34:28.340 of like,

00:34:28.840 well,

00:34:28.940 you're a woman

00:34:29.520 so you have to do this

00:34:30.780 and only men

00:34:31.980 can,

00:34:32.440 can do that

00:34:33.220 but also,

00:34:34.320 uh,

00:34:35.580 showing my capabilities

00:34:37.020 through my actions

00:34:38.080 and not standing

00:34:39.660 on a soapbox

00:34:40.540 saying like,

00:34:41.220 I'm a woman,

00:34:41.840 you have to listen to me

00:34:42.700 because I'm a woman,

00:34:43.640 like,

00:34:43.860 no,

00:34:44.060 listen to me

00:34:44.500 because I got something

00:34:45.080 important to tell you.

00:34:46.800 Uh,

00:34:47.420 you know,

00:34:48.140 I,

00:34:48.400 I hope that

00:34:49.520 we as a society

00:34:51.240 can move more

00:34:52.620 in the direction

00:34:53.380 just like Martin Luther King

00:34:55.440 talked about

00:34:55.980 seeing beyond our race,

00:34:58.060 see beyond our gender

00:34:59.560 and our sex

00:35:00.520 and value each other

00:35:01.640 as humans,

00:35:02.480 uh,

00:35:03.480 and,

00:35:03.960 and make that judgment

00:35:05.380 based on character

00:35:06.260 and how we live our lives

00:35:07.440 and the choices

00:35:07.940 that we make.

00:35:09.340 Tulsi,

00:35:09.800 it seems to me

00:35:10.700 that a lot of this stuff,

00:35:11.860 you know,

00:35:12.060 obviously it comes

00:35:12.620 from the universities

00:35:13.300 but it's endorsed

00:35:14.040 by the elites

00:35:14.760 and you talk about

00:35:15.920 the elites

00:35:16.400 of the Democratic Party

00:35:17.640 and I know

00:35:18.260 there's going to be

00:35:18.880 lots of people

00:35:19.700 who are watching

00:35:20.260 and listening to this

00:35:21.040 and going,

00:35:21.640 I hear that term

00:35:22.720 all the time.

00:35:24.040 What does that mean?

00:35:25.380 And why can't they

00:35:26.340 be challenged?

00:35:27.200 Yeah,

00:35:27.540 yeah,

00:35:27.900 that's a good question

00:35:28.680 and I'm,

00:35:29.540 in my book,

00:35:30.380 I'm very,

00:35:31.540 I was very intentional

00:35:32.620 in using the term

00:35:33.900 Democrat elite

00:35:34.860 versus the Democrats

00:35:36.380 because,

00:35:38.680 first of all,

00:35:39.160 I think casting judgment

00:35:40.200 on any group of people

00:35:42.620 is always a dangerous thing

00:35:44.040 because it's not.

00:35:44.800 Unless they're white men.

00:35:47.740 I will even stand up

00:35:49.140 for the white men

00:35:49.940 because they're not

00:35:52.180 all the same,

00:35:53.000 you know what I mean?

00:35:54.400 You know,

00:35:55.080 on that front,

00:35:56.500 you know,

00:35:56.700 I grew up in Hawaii

00:35:57.780 where it's one of,

00:35:59.460 it may be the only state

00:36:00.680 or if not one of the few

00:36:02.240 where,

00:36:03.400 quote unquote,

00:36:04.060 Caucasian or white people

00:36:05.220 are actually the minority.

00:36:07.560 So,

00:36:08.220 it's,

00:36:09.260 you know,

00:36:09.600 the whole race thing

00:36:10.920 is just,

00:36:12.000 again,

00:36:12.520 it's another wedge

00:36:13.940 that's used

00:36:14.680 to divide us.

00:36:19.180 But casting that judgment,

00:36:21.440 there are a lot of Democrats

00:36:22.320 like me

00:36:23.000 who are frustrated

00:36:24.320 with the Democratic Party

00:36:25.580 and who have either

00:36:26.380 already left

00:36:27.180 or who are just feeling like,

00:36:28.700 man,

00:36:28.840 I don't know

00:36:29.180 if there's any hope

00:36:29.960 in this party

00:36:30.700 given what we're seeing today.

00:36:32.940 The Democrat elite

00:36:34.460 are who I hold responsible

00:36:36.260 for their policies

00:36:37.580 because they are either

00:36:38.740 the ones creating

00:36:39.800 the policies,

00:36:41.180 executing the policies,

00:36:42.420 or helping

00:36:44.020 to propagate

00:36:44.980 these narratives

00:36:45.860 that are dividing

00:36:46.840 our country

00:36:47.520 and undermining

00:36:49.080 the foundational fabric

00:36:50.800 that makes us

00:36:51.740 who we are.

00:36:53.060 And yes,

00:36:53.860 they are elected politicians.

00:36:55.540 They are unelected

00:36:57.700 bureaucrats

00:36:58.500 who hold administrative

00:36:59.400 positions in our government.

00:37:01.660 They are many

00:37:02.700 of the talking heads

00:37:03.520 that you might see

00:37:04.320 on some news channels

00:37:06.640 or cable

00:37:07.300 or broadcast television.

00:37:09.020 They are people

00:37:10.060 within the Googles

00:37:12.360 and the metas

00:37:13.260 who are carrying out

00:37:14.460 and acting as a tool

00:37:15.620 for the policies

00:37:17.120 and the narratives

00:37:17.840 that the Democrat elite

00:37:19.500 are pushing

00:37:20.100 in our country.

00:37:21.280 They are the George Soroses

00:37:22.960 of the world,

00:37:24.040 those who are funding

00:37:25.000 and pushing

00:37:25.560 these kinds of changes

00:37:27.320 that are so-called

00:37:28.460 progressive changes

00:37:29.620 but that are actually

00:37:30.700 counterproductive

00:37:31.620 to the well-being

00:37:32.860 and interests

00:37:33.340 of the American people.

00:37:35.080 And so,

00:37:35.800 there will be people

00:37:36.680 as well going,

00:37:38.440 how in charge

00:37:40.020 is Joe Biden?

00:37:41.480 How in charge

00:37:42.320 is Kamala Harris?

00:37:44.160 Are these people

00:37:45.500 who have their own ideas

00:37:47.140 and are implementing

00:37:48.020 them in the world

00:37:48.760 or is it the fact

00:37:50.440 that they are simply

00:37:51.300 doing the bidding

00:37:52.260 of the elite

00:37:53.260 of the Democratic Party?

00:37:58.120 Without living

00:37:59.180 in their minds,

00:38:00.700 knowing what I know

00:38:02.880 is these are people

00:38:04.500 who are operating

00:38:05.280 out of fear

00:38:05.860 of losing power

00:38:06.700 and so...

00:38:09.120 Why?

00:38:10.200 Why are they afraid

00:38:11.480 of losing power?

00:38:12.100 Francis and I,

00:38:12.920 in the evenings,

00:38:13.880 we sit around,

00:38:14.560 we take the piss

00:38:15.120 out of each other,

00:38:15.820 our team,

00:38:16.360 whatever,

00:38:16.960 but every now and again

00:38:17.720 we actually get serious

00:38:18.820 and if you're 80 years old,

00:38:22.600 how much more fucking power

00:38:24.060 do you need?

00:38:25.160 How much more money

00:38:26.000 do you...

00:38:26.400 Why aren't you just going,

00:38:29.180 you know what,

00:38:29.780 my time is done now,

00:38:30.840 I'm going to mentor people,

00:38:31.920 I'm going to...

00:38:32.960 Why do you want

00:38:34.380 this much power,

00:38:35.220 it feels like

00:38:36.520 I'm interrogating you,

00:38:37.420 I don't get it.

00:38:38.400 Do you understand it?

00:38:39.380 Do you understand

00:38:40.120 why these people...

00:38:40.900 Why don't you spend

00:38:41.540 your time with your grandkids?

00:38:43.220 Look,

00:38:43.720 I completely agree with you,

00:38:44.880 Nancy Pelosi's

00:38:45.620 in the same boat.

00:38:46.480 Right.

00:38:46.940 We heard over and over

00:38:48.540 when I was in Congress,

00:38:49.800 like,

00:38:50.000 oh,

00:38:50.200 she's only staying here

00:38:51.360 because none of you

00:38:53.020 have what it takes

00:38:54.000 to step up to the plate.

00:38:55.740 She would much rather

00:38:56.800 be in San Francisco

00:38:57.880 with her grandkids

00:38:59.180 and relaxing

00:39:00.180 and spending time

00:39:00.940 with her family.

00:39:01.460 We heard this from her

00:39:02.160 and her kids,

00:39:04.140 her daughters,

00:39:05.080 who were very much

00:39:06.020 involved with politics.

00:39:08.120 So now she's no longer

00:39:09.420 speaker

00:39:09.860 and she's running

00:39:11.220 for re-election again

00:39:12.500 and she's in exactly

00:39:13.660 the same boat.

00:39:16.540 Joe Biden is somebody

00:39:17.480 who's always wanted

00:39:18.120 to be president

00:39:18.620 for his entire time.

00:39:20.240 He was in Congress

00:39:20.860 and the Senate

00:39:21.400 for decades

00:39:22.120 and obviously he ran

00:39:23.480 for president before.

00:39:24.360 Now he's there,

00:39:25.100 you really think

00:39:25.580 he's going to give that up

00:39:26.520 willingly?

00:39:27.640 Well,

00:39:28.080 he's done it now,

00:39:28.840 you ticked the box.

00:39:29.420 Look,

00:39:29.760 I agree with you.

00:39:30.720 I agree with you.

00:39:31.940 But Kamala Harris...

00:39:32.560 Are they really that...

00:39:34.220 Because I'll be honest

00:39:35.080 with you,

00:39:35.260 this is a strong word

00:39:36.280 to use,

00:39:36.580 but to me,

00:39:37.200 that way of thinking

00:39:37.940 sounds psychopathic.

00:39:39.420 Yes.

00:39:40.040 It's psychopathic.

00:39:40.780 In a way,

00:39:41.480 in a way,

00:39:42.120 I...

00:39:42.960 Yes,

00:39:43.440 I see that.

00:39:44.500 I've heard the same

00:39:45.160 about Kamala Harris.

00:39:45.980 I know people

00:39:46.420 went to college with her

00:39:47.380 and they said

00:39:47.800 even back then

00:39:48.680 she was cold

00:39:50.660 and calculating

00:39:51.500 and very clear

00:39:52.680 about her ambition

00:39:53.520 and where she wanted

00:39:54.200 to end up

00:39:54.760 and she's pretty close

00:39:55.920 to being in that place.

00:39:57.740 So when you have people

00:39:58.680 who only care about power

00:40:01.420 and who have created,

00:40:04.240 and I've seen this

00:40:04.960 with members of Congress

00:40:05.860 as well,

00:40:06.520 which is why people

00:40:08.140 end up compromising

00:40:10.320 their principles

00:40:11.160 and their conscience

00:40:13.080 to be able to stay in power

00:40:15.020 is they see their identity

00:40:17.640 as being attached

00:40:19.800 and their relevance

00:40:21.360 and their ability

00:40:25.140 to matter

00:40:26.180 as a human being

00:40:27.460 on this world

00:40:28.340 as being attached

00:40:29.620 to this title

00:40:31.180 that they hold.

00:40:33.160 And so it...

00:40:34.240 Exactly.

00:40:34.940 That's scary.

00:40:35.620 It is scary

00:40:36.360 and dangerous

00:40:37.260 because this is

00:40:38.280 the sort of thing

00:40:38.920 that we see

00:40:39.480 in dictators

00:40:40.020 in different parts

00:40:40.820 of the world.

00:40:42.080 The fear of losing

00:40:43.640 that,

00:40:45.100 that title,

00:40:45.960 that level of importance,

00:40:47.340 that quote-unquote

00:40:48.360 respect that they command

00:40:50.240 not because of who they are

00:40:51.940 but because of that title

00:40:53.580 and that position

00:40:54.400 is what is driving

00:40:56.740 the destruction

00:40:58.180 of our fundamental freedoms

00:41:00.560 in America

00:41:01.460 right now.

00:41:03.840 Do you know

00:41:03.980 what it sounds like, Tulsi?

00:41:05.260 It sounds like an addiction.

00:41:06.980 It sounds like people

00:41:07.760 who are addicted to power

00:41:09.140 in the same way

00:41:10.040 that you can get addicted

00:41:10.940 to anything else.

00:41:12.160 You need that.

00:41:13.240 You need that above all else.

00:41:15.180 And to hell

00:41:16.000 with the consequences

00:41:17.120 of the impact

00:41:18.300 on the people around you

00:41:19.560 because you need that thing.

00:41:20.920 That is exactly

00:41:21.540 where we are right now

00:41:22.520 in the United States

00:41:23.420 of America.

00:41:24.520 To hell with the consequences,

00:41:26.640 to hell with,

00:41:27.520 with, you know,

00:41:29.600 things like

00:41:30.360 our democratic republic

00:41:32.180 and what that is supposed to be,

00:41:34.220 what our founders envisioned

00:41:35.480 for America,

00:41:37.120 to hell with people's lives,

00:41:39.440 careers, reputations,

00:41:41.040 their ability to live

00:41:42.040 in a safe community

00:41:43.660 and raise their kids

00:41:44.780 with a good education,

00:41:46.500 they don't care

00:41:47.820 about the people.

00:41:49.760 They don't care

00:41:50.520 about the American people.

00:41:51.820 They care about power

00:41:53.100 and are willing to do

00:41:55.040 as we are,

00:41:55.580 I mean,

00:41:55.760 it is playing out

00:41:56.460 in real time.

00:41:57.080 They are willing

00:41:57.480 to do whatever it takes

00:41:59.360 in a more brazen way

00:42:01.340 than I've ever seen

00:42:02.260 in my life

00:42:03.000 in this country

00:42:04.660 so that they can stay in power.

00:42:08.260 Because I see

00:42:09.560 the trials of Donald Trump

00:42:11.180 and if this happened

00:42:12.740 10, 15 years ago,

00:42:13.940 I'd be like,

00:42:14.680 well, there's obviously,

00:42:16.120 he's done something really bad.

00:42:18.620 I trust the judicial process.

00:42:21.180 I look at it now,

00:42:22.580 I don't think I do.

00:42:25.180 And I'm not somebody

00:42:26.220 who's online going,

00:42:27.420 oh, they're in control,

00:42:28.880 they're in charge.

00:42:29.680 I don't believe that.

00:42:30.700 Yeah.

00:42:31.020 But they're making me believe that.

00:42:32.420 Yes.

00:42:33.200 Yes.

00:42:33.620 Again, it's happening

00:42:34.700 in broad daylight

00:42:35.480 and the fact that

00:42:37.040 they aren't even trying

00:42:37.800 to hide it,

00:42:38.480 you know,

00:42:39.780 with the fact that

00:42:40.400 you have the DA

00:42:41.300 in New York,

00:42:41.980 Alvin Bragg,

00:42:42.760 and Letitia James,

00:42:45.500 both who campaigned

00:42:47.300 on the premise

00:42:48.000 that if you elect me,

00:42:49.360 we will go after Donald Trump.

00:42:51.200 That was their campaign promise.

00:42:53.080 It wasn't,

00:42:53.880 we will go after him

00:42:54.960 for this egregious crime.

00:42:56.940 They looked for

00:42:57.900 and found ways

00:42:58.960 to be able to charge him

00:43:00.240 with these crimes

00:43:00.920 so that they could keep him

00:43:01.940 locked up in court

00:43:03.480 and keep him off

00:43:04.420 of the campaign trail

00:43:05.320 and away from voters.

00:43:06.740 And this is what we're seeing

00:43:09.440 throughout the justice,

00:43:11.280 the so-called justice system

00:43:12.720 that unfortunately

00:43:13.460 has been weaponized

00:43:14.520 and politicized

00:43:15.200 by this administration.

00:43:16.880 Tosia,

00:43:17.160 are you a Republican now?

00:43:18.520 I'm an independent.

00:43:19.640 Hmm.

00:43:21.320 It's interesting

00:43:22.120 because I come back

00:43:24.180 to the point I made earlier.

00:43:25.080 It's like,

00:43:25.300 how do you move forward?

00:43:26.320 Right?

00:43:26.520 Because America

00:43:27.160 has this very binary thing.

00:43:29.040 We have the similar in the UK.

00:43:31.160 And my fear is,

00:43:32.940 I mean,

00:43:33.180 both our fear

00:43:34.020 we talk about often is,

00:43:35.120 whatever happens

00:43:37.400 in the next election

00:43:38.280 is going to be bad.

00:43:40.360 Do you see what I mean?

00:43:41.300 Because I agree with you,

00:43:44.100 particularly on the geopolitics

00:43:45.540 side of things.

00:43:46.100 I think Donald Trump

00:43:46.740 would have been

00:43:47.960 a better president

00:43:48.660 to manage all the fires

00:43:50.240 that are happening

00:43:51.140 around the world.

00:43:52.680 But if he's elected,

00:43:54.260 the backlash

00:43:55.260 seems to me

00:43:56.400 is going to make

00:43:57.360 2016 pale

00:43:58.760 into insignificance.

00:44:00.080 What do you mean by that?

00:44:01.300 I mean the woke

00:44:02.500 backlash against it.

00:44:03.820 They're going to have

00:44:04.620 a meltdown

00:44:05.220 in the media

00:44:05.840 and elsewhere

00:44:06.360 that's going to trump,

00:44:07.980 wrong word,

00:44:08.880 that's going to be bigger

00:44:10.480 than anything we've seen.

00:44:11.580 That's my fear.

00:44:12.380 I don't doubt that

00:44:13.420 at all.

00:44:14.420 But I think

00:44:16.540 that there are

00:44:17.140 more people now

00:44:18.540 who are seeing

00:44:20.680 those kinds of meltdowns

00:44:22.740 for what they are

00:44:24.200 and who have

00:44:26.700 maybe had their eyes

00:44:29.000 opened

00:44:29.500 about what this

00:44:31.220 woke

00:44:31.760 administration,

00:44:34.580 the Biden administration,

00:44:35.340 has actually done

00:44:36.700 to people in their lives

00:44:38.400 and their families

00:44:38.980 and their communities,

00:44:39.540 people who don't pay

00:44:40.200 attention to politics

00:44:41.220 at all.

00:44:42.220 I see, you know,

00:44:43.360 moms rising up

00:44:44.720 in different states

00:44:45.620 in the country

00:44:46.260 starting their own,

00:44:47.800 like starting with

00:44:48.400 a small group

00:44:49.100 of moms

00:44:50.240 who've never done

00:44:50.940 anything in politics

00:44:51.840 but recognizing like

00:44:52.920 I've got to do something

00:44:53.940 about this

00:44:54.580 for my kids

00:44:55.900 and this is happening

00:44:57.380 in a lot of different ways

00:44:58.760 which is the hallmark

00:45:01.080 of what

00:45:02.020 the American democracy

00:45:04.340 is traditionally about

00:45:06.480 and that's really

00:45:07.800 where the answer is.

00:45:08.760 So no,

00:45:09.020 I see things differently

00:45:11.660 from you

00:45:12.220 in the sense that

00:45:13.500 to say that

00:45:15.880 whatever the outcome

00:45:16.620 of this election

00:45:17.180 is going to be bad

00:45:17.900 is to me

00:45:18.980 not accurate.

00:45:19.760 I think some

00:45:20.300 are worse than others.

00:45:21.520 Will it be perfect?

00:45:22.440 Of course not.

00:45:23.320 We have a lot of work

00:45:24.860 to do in our country.

00:45:29.240 I've stated

00:45:30.120 the devastating outcome

00:45:32.000 if President Biden

00:45:33.040 or the Democratic leader

00:45:33.880 are allowed to remain

00:45:34.640 in charge.

00:45:35.880 If President Trump

00:45:37.060 is elected,

00:45:38.360 certainly there will be

00:45:39.840 a course correct

00:45:40.680 on many fronts.

00:45:42.500 Certainly there will be

00:45:43.760 the Trump derangement syndrome

00:45:45.840 will go to another level.

00:45:48.940 But I think that

00:45:50.080 there are more Americans

00:45:51.120 who maybe would never

00:45:52.520 have considered voting

00:45:53.460 for Trump in the past

00:45:54.640 who now are looking at

00:45:56.120 like,

00:45:56.460 I'm a small business owner

00:45:58.100 and President Biden

00:45:59.780 wants to raise

00:46:00.720 the capital gains tax

00:46:02.280 by 44 percent

00:46:03.720 not only on what you've sold

00:46:06.860 but on your assets

00:46:08.640 that you hold.

00:46:09.760 Like,

00:46:10.100 most small business owners

00:46:11.400 will be completely driven

00:46:12.460 out of business by that.

00:46:13.520 And so people are looking

00:46:14.940 at the nuts and bolts

00:46:15.960 again of the policies

00:46:17.060 versus what was traditionally

00:46:19.500 I think in,

00:46:20.120 you know,

00:46:20.560 2016 and 2020

00:46:21.640 was a lot of the

00:46:23.040 non-substantive issues

00:46:25.420 style or comments

00:46:27.200 or, you know,

00:46:27.960 things that were said

00:46:28.680 or done or whatever.

00:46:29.860 And I think the border

00:46:30.440 is a good example of that.

00:46:31.560 A lot of people

00:46:32.060 who criticize Donald Trump

00:46:33.320 for his harshness

00:46:35.080 in how he talked

00:46:35.960 about the border

00:46:36.700 in 2016

00:46:38.100 and even going into 2020

00:46:39.580 are looking at

00:46:40.280 what Biden-Harris have done

00:46:41.620 in essentially

00:46:42.880 and in a practical way

00:46:44.720 having a truly

00:46:45.800 open border policy

00:46:47.420 and how it's impacting

00:46:49.560 not only

00:46:50.280 our southwestern

00:46:51.640 border states

00:46:53.040 but it's impacting

00:46:54.820 major cities,

00:46:55.840 democratic strongholds

00:46:57.400 in ways that are

00:46:58.440 impossible to deny

00:47:00.240 at this point.

00:47:01.440 But this is a thing

00:47:02.820 that I just can't believe.

00:47:04.760 The fact that you have

00:47:05.780 these people,

00:47:06.620 you know,

00:47:06.820 and they all went

00:47:07.260 to the best universities,

00:47:08.420 they're all far more

00:47:09.120 intelligent than me,

00:47:09.960 blah, blah.

00:47:10.840 And they go,

00:47:11.320 well, we're going to have

00:47:11.860 an own...

00:47:12.260 Intelligence, far more

00:47:12.880 intelligent.

00:47:13.580 I think that's a debatable

00:47:14.800 point.

00:47:16.220 Just because you've gone

00:47:17.200 to a fancy university

00:47:18.160 doesn't mean you have

00:47:18.920 intelligence.

00:47:19.680 And that is proving

00:47:21.020 to be rapidly true.

00:47:22.520 And I look at something

00:47:23.920 like the border

00:47:25.040 and I go,

00:47:27.500 there is nobody here

00:47:30.520 who thinks this is

00:47:31.360 a good idea.

00:47:32.260 There is something else

00:47:33.420 going on here

00:47:34.180 because it's basic

00:47:35.620 common sense

00:47:36.300 that you can't have

00:47:37.280 a border open

00:47:37.940 because if you have

00:47:38.520 an open border,

00:47:39.080 you don't have

00:47:40.040 a country.

00:47:40.440 That is plainly

00:47:41.480 obvious to everybody,

00:47:43.120 number one.

00:47:43.900 Number two,

00:47:44.660 you look at the fentanyl

00:47:46.020 crisis in this country.

00:47:47.700 It's destroying

00:47:48.700 your young people.

00:47:49.800 It's killing

00:47:51.380 hundreds of thousands

00:47:52.540 of people.

00:47:53.960 So why is there

00:47:55.620 an open border

00:47:56.460 and who thinks

00:47:57.500 this is a good idea

00:47:58.480 and there must be

00:47:59.940 something else going on?

00:48:00.940 Or am I being

00:48:01.420 a conspiracist?

00:48:03.180 You're not,

00:48:04.120 but there are people

00:48:04.960 who think it's

00:48:05.560 a good idea.

00:48:06.220 If you listen

00:48:07.560 to the rhetoric

00:48:08.240 coming from

00:48:09.320 the AOCs

00:48:11.020 of Congress,

00:48:12.080 she's not alone.

00:48:13.100 She's not alone

00:48:13.980 in her view

00:48:14.980 that essentially

00:48:16.840 the border should be open,

00:48:18.140 that no one

00:48:18.660 should get deported.

00:48:21.820 She does not share

00:48:23.140 the view that

00:48:24.060 without borders

00:48:25.480 we have no country.

00:48:26.840 There are people

00:48:27.380 who really truly believe

00:48:28.820 that we should be

00:48:30.120 an open border country

00:48:31.160 that welcomes

00:48:31.780 anyone and everyone

00:48:33.020 who's escaping

00:48:34.500 suffering

00:48:35.640 or seeking

00:48:36.600 a better life

00:48:37.440 in America.

00:48:39.560 You know,

00:48:40.460 there are people

00:48:41.600 who,

00:48:42.660 I would say,

00:48:43.620 a very large chunk

00:48:44.640 of Democrats

00:48:45.160 in Congress

00:48:46.200 who are unwilling

00:48:48.860 to fix

00:48:49.660 our broken

00:48:50.240 immigration system

00:48:51.440 because they really

00:48:52.760 believe in

00:48:53.760 open borders.

00:48:56.240 They can't answer

00:48:57.960 back to

00:48:58.760 the very real

00:48:59.680 security challenges,

00:49:00.900 economic challenges,

00:49:01.880 social challenges

00:49:02.600 that we're dealing

00:49:03.220 with because of

00:49:04.400 those open border

00:49:05.260 policies.

00:49:06.840 But the motivation,

00:49:08.840 I think,

00:49:09.460 is,

00:49:10.260 I think you can put

00:49:12.220 them in two

00:49:12.680 broad categories.

00:49:13.780 One,

00:49:14.040 there is certainly

00:49:14.880 a political motive.

00:49:15.760 You're not a conspiracy

00:49:16.500 theorist to believe

00:49:17.460 that, you know,

00:49:18.460 the Democratic Party

00:49:19.420 has traditionally

00:49:21.080 been a party

00:49:22.040 of immigrants

00:49:23.440 and so they

00:49:25.180 would assume

00:49:25.860 that the more

00:49:26.700 immigrants that they

00:49:27.640 let into the country

00:49:28.520 illegally at some

00:49:29.440 point will be

00:49:30.020 allowed to vote

00:49:30.640 and they are pushing

00:49:31.400 in some states

00:49:32.120 and cities

00:49:32.620 to allow them

00:49:33.600 to vote

00:49:33.940 even though they

00:49:34.500 are here

00:49:35.560 in this country

00:49:36.300 illegally.

00:49:38.200 And then there's

00:49:39.020 also,

00:49:40.180 even for those

00:49:41.140 Democrats who

00:49:41.880 recognize the

00:49:42.700 problem with

00:49:43.580 open borders,

00:49:44.840 they've painted

00:49:45.640 themselves into

00:49:46.660 a corner because

00:49:47.560 of their backlash

00:49:48.540 against Donald Trump

00:49:49.680 calling for

00:49:50.440 securing the border

00:49:51.540 in that they

00:49:53.180 have made it

00:49:54.000 so that if you

00:49:54.920 are for a

00:49:56.100 secure border

00:49:56.820 and against

00:49:57.980 illegal immigration,

00:49:59.740 you are racist.

00:50:00.580 and I saw

00:50:02.380 that on the

00:50:03.800 2020 presidential

00:50:05.720 debate.

00:50:06.700 That was how

00:50:07.900 different candidates

00:50:09.920 were cast.

00:50:11.120 And so, you know,

00:50:11.640 I supported a secure

00:50:12.540 border and, you know,

00:50:13.500 finding the means of

00:50:14.620 security that actually

00:50:15.580 make the most sense

00:50:16.320 at a practical level.

00:50:17.680 I was against

00:50:18.820 providing, like,

00:50:19.980 open and free,

00:50:21.480 you know,

00:50:22.400 healthcare and housing

00:50:23.420 and all of these

00:50:24.020 things to people

00:50:24.860 who are entering

00:50:25.440 our country

00:50:26.060 illegally.

00:50:26.680 it is a crime.

00:50:29.680 You're breaking a law

00:50:30.420 by entering our

00:50:31.080 country illegally.

00:50:31.740 What to speak of

00:50:32.460 the fact that,

00:50:33.320 you know,

00:50:33.840 Hawaii is filled

00:50:34.560 with immigrants

00:50:35.380 who entered our

00:50:36.120 country legally

00:50:36.820 who have a hard

00:50:37.500 time getting

00:50:38.620 their family members

00:50:39.680 from the Philippines

00:50:40.520 or, you know,

00:50:41.620 from Vietnam

00:50:42.480 to be able to

00:50:43.480 come and visit for,

00:50:44.640 I experienced this

00:50:45.500 myself,

00:50:45.900 to come and visit

00:50:46.540 for a significant

00:50:47.560 family event

00:50:48.420 to get a tourist

00:50:49.460 visa for two weeks.

00:50:51.340 People are being

00:50:51.920 rejected even to

00:50:52.720 this day.

00:50:53.140 my friend who

00:50:53.840 is a special

00:50:55.060 forces warrant

00:50:56.360 officer,

00:50:57.040 he served our

00:50:57.760 country for over

00:50:58.440 30 years,

00:50:59.800 countless deployments

00:51:00.780 into combat zones,

00:51:01.960 he's about to

00:51:02.620 retire.

00:51:03.820 His wife is

00:51:04.940 from Europe.

00:51:05.900 Her sister lives,

00:51:07.040 she's a resident

00:51:07.660 of Italy.

00:51:09.140 Their family

00:51:09.720 wanted to come

00:51:10.460 to the retirement

00:51:11.220 ceremony and

00:51:12.240 they were rejected.

00:51:13.040 They couldn't get

00:51:13.740 a tourist visa

00:51:14.580 to come here

00:51:15.080 for two weeks.

00:51:16.120 They work,

00:51:16.980 they have kids

00:51:17.460 in school,

00:51:17.900 they have lives

00:51:18.500 in Italy,

00:51:18.920 they're going

00:51:19.260 to go home.

00:51:20.620 But they couldn't

00:51:21.440 get a tourist

00:51:22.360 visa approved.

00:51:23.900 And yet,

00:51:24.340 if they flew to

00:51:25.120 Tijuana today,

00:51:26.940 they could easily

00:51:27.760 walk across the

00:51:29.000 border and be

00:51:30.000 here in a

00:51:31.020 heartbeat.

00:51:31.920 We have exactly

00:51:32.920 the same thing

00:51:33.580 in the UK.

00:51:34.480 And I'm a

00:51:35.060 first generation

00:51:35.740 immigrant myself.

00:51:36.900 My mother

00:51:37.220 couldn't come

00:51:37.740 and see her

00:51:38.220 grandson who

00:51:38.860 had just been

00:51:39.520 born while we

00:51:40.560 have tens of

00:51:41.120 thousands of

00:51:41.660 people streaming

00:51:42.340 into the

00:51:43.340 country illegally.

00:51:44.240 It boggles

00:51:45.620 the mind,

00:51:46.100 doesn't it?

00:51:46.920 And also as

00:51:47.780 well, it's this

00:51:48.540 idea of the

00:51:49.780 party of immigrants.

00:51:51.100 My mother is

00:51:51.760 Venezuelan,

00:51:52.440 I'm sure

00:51:53.400 if you

00:51:53.720 ask every

00:51:54.920 Venezuelan

00:51:55.620 in this

00:51:56.040 country who

00:51:56.740 is legal,

00:51:57.620 who had to

00:51:58.360 flee because

00:51:59.000 of the

00:51:59.260 horrific policies

00:51:59.980 of Chavez

00:52:00.400 and Maduro,

00:52:01.220 they would

00:52:01.760 not want

00:52:02.320 people to

00:52:02.780 come to

00:52:03.080 this country

00:52:03.660 illegally.

00:52:04.400 That's right.

00:52:04.720 Tulsi, there's

00:52:07.760 one other

00:52:08.160 issue we

00:52:08.600 wanted to

00:52:09.020 talk about,

00:52:09.500 and it's

00:52:09.620 probably the

00:52:10.040 only issue

00:52:10.480 that we

00:52:10.760 truly disagree

00:52:11.600 on, although

00:52:12.020 maybe we'll

00:52:12.500 find out that

00:52:12.960 we don't,

00:52:13.320 I don't know,

00:52:14.240 which is

00:52:15.280 Ukraine.

00:52:16.240 I understand

00:52:17.620 given your

00:52:18.760 experiences why

00:52:19.900 you would be

00:52:20.480 generally very

00:52:21.760 keen for us

00:52:22.380 to avoid war,

00:52:23.420 and I am

00:52:24.160 too.

00:52:25.100 The thing

00:52:25.680 that I wanted

00:52:26.160 to ask you

00:52:26.820 is, A,

00:52:28.580 why do you

00:52:29.680 think there's

00:52:30.540 a war in

00:52:30.980 Ukraine?

00:52:32.800 In fact,

00:52:33.300 let's just

00:52:33.600 start with that.

00:52:34.100 Why do you

00:52:34.600 think there's

00:52:35.000 a war in

00:52:35.300 Ukraine happening

00:52:35.880 right now?

00:52:36.680 Well, you

00:52:36.980 look at the

00:52:37.700 triggering event

00:52:38.620 of Putin's

00:52:39.220 invasion into

00:52:39.880 Ukraine, but

00:52:41.440 you also have

00:52:42.060 to look at

00:52:42.400 the history

00:52:42.840 of NATO

00:52:43.960 and incursion

00:52:45.220 and the

00:52:45.540 expansion of

00:52:46.260 NATO that

00:52:47.640 played a very

00:52:48.200 real factor

00:52:48.820 in that

00:52:49.380 taking place.

00:52:50.360 In addition

00:52:51.280 to Kamala

00:52:53.540 Harris and

00:52:54.660 others in the

00:52:55.160 Biden administration

00:52:56.100 in the days

00:52:57.320 and weeks

00:52:57.760 leading up to

00:52:58.480 Putin's

00:52:58.880 invasion of

00:52:59.780 Ukraine,

00:53:00.820 basically saying,

00:53:01.700 well, Ukraine

00:53:02.020 needs to be a

00:53:02.760 member of

00:53:03.160 NATO, even

00:53:04.080 though that

00:53:05.100 was not a

00:53:05.820 realistic thing

00:53:07.880 at that given

00:53:09.060 time.

00:53:09.940 And there

00:53:10.180 were many

00:53:10.820 NATO members

00:53:13.380 who were

00:53:14.860 very strongly

00:53:15.820 opposed to

00:53:17.000 that idea.

00:53:18.900 And so

00:53:19.360 the war kicked

00:53:21.300 off.

00:53:21.980 That makes

00:53:22.360 sense.

00:53:22.780 And look,

00:53:23.140 by the way,

00:53:23.540 I don't think

00:53:23.960 anyone sensible

00:53:24.600 would deny that

00:53:25.460 NATO expansion

00:53:26.260 is a provocation

00:53:27.200 to Russia.

00:53:27.580 I think

00:53:28.080 that's undeniable

00:53:29.760 to some

00:53:30.780 extent.

00:53:31.600 I suppose

00:53:32.180 the question

00:53:32.760 is, where

00:53:34.260 do you think

00:53:34.960 NATO should

00:53:35.780 have stopped

00:53:36.240 expanding?

00:53:39.560 Because this

00:53:40.440 is a question

00:53:41.020 people never

00:53:41.560 answer.

00:53:41.860 So if you

00:53:42.580 look back

00:53:43.800 to the

00:53:46.500 fall of the

00:53:47.040 Soviet Union,

00:53:48.840 when I

00:53:50.340 believe it

00:53:51.000 was, well,

00:53:52.220 Russia said,

00:53:53.360 like, hey, we

00:53:54.660 would like to

00:53:55.200 join NATO.

00:53:56.560 I think that

00:53:57.360 was a pivotal

00:53:58.280 moment where

00:54:00.340 I think it was

00:54:02.380 Bill Clinton

00:54:02.900 who said no

00:54:04.240 at that time.

00:54:05.320 First he said

00:54:05.820 yes, and then he

00:54:06.420 came back and he

00:54:07.100 said no.

00:54:07.840 But when we

00:54:08.900 look at what

00:54:10.000 was the reason

00:54:11.120 to oppose

00:54:11.860 Russia's joining

00:54:12.920 NATO at that

00:54:14.020 time, there

00:54:15.460 was clearly a

00:54:16.540 decision that

00:54:17.360 had to be

00:54:17.860 made.

00:54:18.380 Well, you

00:54:19.100 know, at

00:54:19.400 that point,

00:54:20.100 follow the

00:54:20.440 Soviet Union,

00:54:21.060 why should

00:54:21.460 NATO still

00:54:22.180 exist?

00:54:23.800 They needed

00:54:24.800 someone to

00:54:25.540 be the bad

00:54:26.640 guy.

00:54:27.460 And so even

00:54:27.960 though there

00:54:28.360 were overtures

00:54:29.020 at that time

00:54:29.720 or direct

00:54:30.460 requests by

00:54:31.920 Russia to be

00:54:32.740 able to join

00:54:33.400 this North

00:54:34.480 Atlantic Treaty

00:54:35.660 organization,

00:54:36.520 and was

00:54:38.480 rejected,

00:54:39.500 every increment

00:54:40.900 of the

00:54:41.540 expansion at

00:54:42.760 that point

00:54:43.400 was a

00:54:44.880 further

00:54:45.460 statement, I

00:54:48.620 suppose, that

00:54:49.480 well, NATO

00:54:50.200 needs an enemy

00:54:50.880 and Russia

00:54:51.300 is the enemy.

00:54:52.340 Okay.

00:54:53.280 Here's what I

00:54:53.980 would say.

00:54:54.300 I think that

00:54:54.900 the reason Russia

00:54:55.820 wasn't allowed

00:54:56.500 into NATO is

00:54:57.120 much more the

00:54:58.080 United States

00:54:58.640 concerns about

00:54:59.400 dominance of

00:55:00.080 NATO.

00:55:00.700 In other words,

00:55:01.280 being in charge.

00:55:02.040 If you have

00:55:02.420 another large

00:55:03.020 country with a

00:55:03.740 huge nuclear

00:55:04.280 arsenal, that

00:55:05.300 upsets the

00:55:05.780 balance.

00:55:06.100 the reason I

00:55:06.900 ask you the

00:55:07.260 question is

00:55:07.760 this.

00:55:08.400 I'm very

00:55:09.040 familiar with

00:55:09.600 the Maya

00:55:10.000 Shimer

00:55:10.340 argument about

00:55:11.380 NATO expansion,

00:55:12.320 etc.

00:55:13.220 Given what I

00:55:14.680 understand Russia's

00:55:15.520 geopolitical ambitions

00:55:16.460 to be, which is

00:55:17.700 to secure its

00:55:18.560 western flank as

00:55:19.260 much as

00:55:19.580 possible, Russia

00:55:20.140 always expands

00:55:20.860 westwards when

00:55:21.600 it can, because

00:55:23.080 we don't need to

00:55:24.360 get into why

00:55:24.900 exactly, economics

00:55:26.100 and geography,

00:55:27.140 etc.

00:55:27.340 So, if NATO

00:55:30.880 wasn't incorporating

00:55:33.500 Latvia,

00:55:34.020 all these countries

00:55:35.360 that are terrified

00:55:36.040 of Russian

00:55:36.580 westwards expansion,

00:55:37.660 and they have

00:55:38.000 been for

00:55:38.680 historical reasons,

00:55:39.540 they've always been

00:55:40.200 invaded over and

00:55:41.360 over and over.

00:55:42.140 The question to me

00:55:43.160 is if NATO hadn't

00:55:44.080 expanded or

00:55:45.120 disbanded, which is

00:55:46.240 what some people

00:55:46.880 are advocating,

00:55:48.020 where would Russian

00:55:48.960 tanks be today?

00:55:50.320 Or what part of the

00:55:51.600 world would Russia

00:55:52.240 control?

00:55:52.760 And it seems

00:55:55.400 to me incredibly

00:55:56.740 naive to think

00:55:57.660 that they would

00:55:58.200 have just said,

00:55:58.680 oh, okay, we'll

00:55:59.240 just, we've split

00:56:00.520 up the Soviet,

00:56:00.960 we'll just leave

00:56:01.380 it as is.

00:56:03.000 Do you see what

00:56:03.360 I'm saying?

00:56:03.720 Yeah, I hear you,

00:56:04.880 but I think that

00:56:06.360 it is, it's an

00:56:07.580 impossible hypothesis

00:56:09.320 to prove one way

00:56:10.960 or the other.

00:56:11.440 I'm sure that

00:56:12.180 historians on both

00:56:14.200 sides of this point

00:56:15.500 could argue and

00:56:16.380 make credible

00:56:16.900 arguments about

00:56:17.780 what would have

00:56:18.640 or could have

00:56:19.420 happened.

00:56:20.900 My point with

00:56:21.840 what is happening

00:56:22.660 today is that,

00:56:24.220 yes, we have

00:56:24.780 to understand

00:56:25.460 history, but we

00:56:26.760 also have to look

00:56:27.660 at this current

00:56:29.080 war with a

00:56:30.160 realist view

00:56:33.220 of what are

00:56:34.580 Russia's capabilities

00:56:35.580 today, what is

00:56:36.960 the cultural and

00:56:37.640 historical significance

00:56:38.800 of the areas that

00:56:40.040 Russia has tried

00:56:41.040 to take control

00:56:42.020 over or has

00:56:43.020 actually, and

00:56:45.020 what is our

00:56:47.380 continued support

00:56:48.660 of Ukraine and

00:56:50.260 what is essentially

00:56:51.140 a proxy war

00:56:52.000 against Russia,

00:56:53.780 what is the

00:56:54.780 actual objective

00:56:55.640 that they're

00:56:56.580 trying to

00:56:57.160 accomplish here?

00:56:58.060 We've heard

00:56:58.700 from Secretary

00:56:59.420 of Defense

00:56:59.860 Austin and

00:57:00.480 others in the

00:57:01.000 Biden administration

00:57:01.760 saying, well,

00:57:03.440 you know, they

00:57:04.000 want to weaken

00:57:04.840 Russia or weaken

00:57:06.040 Putin or they

00:57:06.640 want to punish

00:57:07.320 Putin for what

00:57:08.060 he's done or

00:57:08.620 they want to

00:57:09.520 essentially enact

00:57:11.140 a regime change

00:57:12.060 and get rid of

00:57:12.680 Putin altogether.

00:57:13.740 but they've

00:57:15.260 not talked

00:57:15.820 about, well,

00:57:16.360 what happens

00:57:17.160 next, what

00:57:18.420 happens when

00:57:19.840 you have a

00:57:21.440 country like

00:57:22.180 Russia that

00:57:22.780 has more

00:57:23.200 nuclear weapons

00:57:23.900 than anywhere

00:57:24.320 in the world,

00:57:25.580 when you remove

00:57:28.380 Putin and who

00:57:29.240 then goes in to

00:57:30.320 replace him.

00:57:30.660 all of that

00:57:31.300 stuff is

00:57:32.140 terrible.

00:57:32.500 I agree.

00:57:33.040 with, you

00:57:34.200 know, what

00:57:35.660 should have

00:57:36.100 happened, and

00:57:36.520 I've said this

00:57:36.980 from the very

00:57:37.400 beginning, is

00:57:38.920 President Biden

00:57:40.420 should have

00:57:41.420 gone in and

00:57:42.000 taken on a

00:57:42.500 leadership role

00:57:43.360 along with

00:57:45.400 members of

00:57:45.880 NATO and

00:57:46.380 others to

00:57:47.140 actually be

00:57:48.060 able to

00:57:48.360 negotiate some

00:57:49.700 kind of

00:57:50.200 workable peace

00:57:51.080 treaty to

00:57:52.140 end that war

00:57:53.040 as quickly as

00:57:53.980 possible.

00:57:54.940 And I find it

00:57:55.680 unconscionable

00:57:56.280 that not only

00:57:57.960 did that not

00:57:58.560 happen, but

00:57:59.720 that other

00:58:00.160 countries who

00:58:00.740 have come in

00:58:01.280 and actually

00:58:02.120 brought parties

00:58:02.760 together to

00:58:03.320 the table, that

00:58:04.580 the president

00:58:05.300 has stood in

00:58:06.400 the way of

00:58:07.000 that progress.

00:58:08.560 So as we

00:58:09.080 look at every

00:58:09.740 tranche of

00:58:10.500 billions of

00:58:11.760 dollars that

00:58:12.240 is sent to

00:58:12.700 Ukraine, this

00:58:13.480 most recent

00:58:13.960 one, you'll

00:58:14.940 hear that,

00:58:15.960 well, Ukraine

00:58:17.180 will lose

00:58:17.840 unless we give

00:58:18.620 them this

00:58:19.220 money, but we

00:58:19.820 have no idea

00:58:20.460 how long they

00:58:21.160 can hold the

00:58:22.800 line.

00:58:23.600 No one has

00:58:24.100 been able to

00:58:24.640 define, well,

00:58:25.200 what does a

00:58:25.620 quote-unquote

00:58:26.080 win look like?

00:58:27.580 At what point?

00:58:28.380 Is this just

00:58:28.880 another war of

00:58:29.660 attrition that

00:58:30.360 the United States

00:58:31.080 and others are

00:58:32.300 going to keep

00:58:32.900 funding until

00:58:33.500 what point?

00:58:34.240 What about

00:58:34.640 the Ukraine?

00:58:34.960 I have friends

00:58:35.700 in Ukraine, I've

00:58:36.300 been there many

00:58:36.760 times, and it

00:58:38.880 is the Ukrainian

00:58:40.160 people who are

00:58:40.800 paying the price

00:58:41.720 for this, and

00:58:42.980 generally, sometimes

00:58:45.180 war is necessary.

00:58:46.140 It is always

00:58:46.680 unfortunate, it is

00:58:47.520 always ugly,

00:58:48.380 unfortunately,

00:58:49.020 sometimes it is

00:58:49.740 necessary.

00:58:50.160 I'm not a

00:58:50.520 pacifist or an

00:58:51.360 isolationist who

00:58:52.280 thinks that, you

00:58:53.620 know, doesn't live

00:58:54.640 in a real world,

00:58:56.060 but I truly

00:58:56.920 believe that all

00:58:58.440 diplomatic efforts

00:58:59.620 need to be

00:59:00.360 exhausted before

00:59:01.860 we go and

00:59:03.060 pursue the

00:59:03.800 path of war, and

00:59:04.660 if we pursue the

00:59:05.540 path of war, there

00:59:06.780 has to be very

00:59:07.740 clearly defined

00:59:08.700 objectives and a

00:59:10.360 definition of what

00:59:11.400 we are trying to

00:59:12.140 accomplish.

00:59:12.620 What is a win

00:59:13.660 that is based on

00:59:15.000 reality, not based

00:59:16.280 on some fantasy

00:59:17.540 that will never

00:59:18.780 actually be

00:59:19.540 possible?

00:59:20.420 Yeah, I agree

00:59:20.920 with almost

00:59:21.540 everything you're

00:59:22.160 saying, actually,

00:59:22.920 in terms of that,

00:59:23.760 and the money

00:59:25.820 that has just

00:59:27.120 been sent, it's

00:59:27.700 not going to

00:59:27.980 make any

00:59:28.320 difference.

00:59:28.820 It won't.

00:59:29.560 We both know

00:59:30.500 that.

00:59:31.200 I guess what I'm

00:59:32.020 saying is the

00:59:33.360 counterfactual

00:59:34.200 conversation is

00:59:35.160 important because I

00:59:36.320 hear far too many

00:59:37.160 people running

00:59:37.760 around shouting

00:59:38.540 about how we

00:59:39.580 should have

00:59:39.840 disbanded NATO,

00:59:41.400 etc., etc., and

00:59:43.160 the counterfactual

00:59:43.980 is important because

00:59:45.020 if we had done

00:59:45.720 that, I put it

00:59:46.820 to you, that

00:59:47.760 Russian tanks or

00:59:49.520 influence in some

00:59:50.840 very corrupt

00:59:51.740 form, in the

00:59:53.020 same way that it

00:59:53.600 was already in

00:59:54.300 Germany and

00:59:54.820 elsewhere, would

00:59:55.620 have been far

00:59:56.160 further west than

00:59:56.900 Ukraine, right?

00:59:58.040 So, containing

00:59:59.080 Russia, I would

01:00:00.260 say, is a

01:00:01.320 necessary thing.

01:00:02.220 How you do

01:00:02.740 that, we haven't

01:00:03.320 done it very well

01:00:04.040 or very skillfully

01:00:04.820 and we've made

01:00:05.320 mistakes, but the

01:00:06.700 idea that we

01:00:07.380 could have just

01:00:08.000 disband NATO or

01:00:10.180 not expand into

01:00:11.640 Latvia, Stone

01:00:12.340 Lithuania, Poland,

01:00:13.380 etc., I think is

01:00:15.000 not considering the

01:00:16.540 alternative sufficiently.

01:00:17.740 Here's the problem

01:00:18.520 that I have, is

01:00:19.540 that nobody can

01:00:21.760 have this

01:00:22.120 conversation.

01:00:22.720 We're having it

01:00:23.460 now.

01:00:23.580 In America today.

01:00:24.880 I know, I know.

01:00:25.860 I'm talking about

01:00:26.340 between the

01:00:26.820 policy makers and

01:00:28.060 between the

01:00:29.100 talking heads on

01:00:29.980 TV, even an

01:00:30.720 academic discussion

01:00:31.780 about this, it is

01:00:33.780 not permitted.

01:00:35.040 As soon as you

01:00:35.660 bring up, I agree,

01:00:37.200 I think there should

01:00:37.880 be this fact,

01:00:38.820 counterfact, back

01:00:39.740 and forth argument

01:00:40.580 that needs to be a

01:00:42.280 part of this before

01:00:43.120 glibly saying, well,

01:00:43.960 we're going to enact

01:00:44.660 this policy and that's

01:00:45.500 just the way it's

01:00:46.000 going to be.

01:00:46.380 We have to have

01:00:47.040 this dialogue.

01:00:48.180 The fact that it is

01:00:49.120 not allowed in

01:00:49.900 Washington or in the

01:00:50.620 media today is a

01:00:52.420 major problem.

01:00:54.240 We make everything

01:00:54.960 a moral issue and

01:00:56.040 this is the problem.

01:00:57.080 Everything is now

01:00:57.900 about whether you're

01:00:58.720 a good person or

01:00:59.440 not instead of

01:01:00.000 having the discussion.

01:01:01.320 Anyway, we're out

01:01:02.180 of time, so we'll

01:01:02.900 ask you our last

01:01:03.480 question.

01:01:03.900 We'll go to

01:01:04.320 locals for a few

01:01:04.980 of our audience

01:01:05.480 questions.

01:01:06.040 It's been an

01:01:06.460 absolute pleasure.

01:01:07.160 Thank you so

01:01:07.660 much.

01:01:08.320 And the final

01:01:08.740 question is, what's

01:01:09.640 the one thing we're

01:01:10.160 not talking about

01:01:10.980 that we really

01:01:11.540 should be?

01:01:11.960 I can think of a

01:01:15.120 few things.

01:01:17.320 One of the main

01:01:18.820 issues is something

01:01:20.720 that the Congress

01:01:21.720 has just taken

01:01:22.520 action on here in

01:01:23.420 America that has to

01:01:24.160 do with our civil

01:01:24.880 liberties.

01:01:26.200 Too often, our

01:01:28.200 politicians will make

01:01:29.260 the argument to the

01:01:30.040 American people that

01:01:30.920 we have to choose

01:01:31.740 between security or

01:01:33.600 liberty.

01:01:34.680 We saw so many of

01:01:35.920 our freedoms taken

01:01:36.740 away in the wake

01:01:37.780 of the terrorist

01:01:38.480 attack on 9-11.

01:01:40.080 We were told this is

01:01:41.240 necessary.

01:01:41.960 in order to

01:01:42.440 prevent another

01:01:43.440 9-11-style terrorist

01:01:45.560 attack in our

01:01:46.240 country.

01:01:47.020 And I go into

01:01:47.700 this in my book

01:01:48.540 about the history

01:01:49.280 of this and how

01:01:50.360 the intelligence

01:01:51.840 community and

01:01:52.580 politicians were

01:01:53.700 trying to seek

01:01:55.260 greater authorities

01:01:56.420 to surveil

01:01:57.700 Americans long

01:02:00.280 before 9-11, the

01:02:01.640 attack on 9-11,

01:02:02.760 ever happened.

01:02:03.980 And they used

01:02:04.980 the fear and

01:02:06.920 the concern that

01:02:08.480 people had,

01:02:09.400 rightly so,

01:02:10.280 after 9-11,

01:02:11.040 in order to

01:02:12.160 pass many of

01:02:13.180 these pieces

01:02:15.000 of legislation

01:02:15.920 that, rightfully

01:02:17.600 so, Congress

01:02:18.320 had rejected in

01:02:19.100 the past because

01:02:19.720 of the

01:02:20.020 unconstitutional

01:02:20.760 nature of

01:02:21.480 them.

01:02:22.360 Here we are,

01:02:23.020 it's been over

01:02:23.420 20 years after

01:02:24.320 the terrorist

01:02:25.020 attack on 9-11,

01:02:26.520 and yet Congress,

01:02:28.020 supported by both

01:02:28.860 Democrats and

01:02:29.580 Republicans,

01:02:30.700 have just, in the

01:02:31.780 past few weeks,

01:02:32.560 passed yet another

01:02:33.560 piece of

01:02:34.420 legislation that

01:02:35.260 not only continued

01:02:36.400 the unconstitutional

01:02:37.920 and warrantless

01:02:38.880 surveillance of

01:02:39.500 Americans,

01:02:39.860 they have

01:02:40.280 strengthened the

01:02:40.980 government's

01:02:41.480 authorities to

01:02:42.580 be able to

01:02:43.000 encroach further

01:02:43.900 on our private

01:02:45.840 lives and continue

01:02:47.240 this warrantless

01:02:47.900 surveillance.

01:02:49.500 My hope is that

01:02:51.260 more people are

01:02:51.940 paying attention to

01:02:52.740 this and are not

01:02:53.920 falling for the

01:02:54.740 tried argument

01:02:55.680 that has worked

01:02:57.220 in the past of,

01:02:58.400 well, we have to

01:02:59.000 take away more of

01:02:59.780 your freedom to

01:03:00.940 keep you safe because

01:03:01.940 this is what's good

01:03:02.760 for you.

01:03:03.340 It's happening with

01:03:04.480 our civil liberties,

01:03:05.260 it's happening with

01:03:06.260 the push of the

01:03:06.880 central bank digital

01:03:08.080 currency, and it

01:03:09.540 is, these are

01:03:11.080 further examples of

01:03:12.040 a power grab by our

01:03:12.940 government, and we

01:03:13.660 have to keep our

01:03:14.260 eyes wide open to

01:03:15.580 what they're doing

01:03:16.360 and hold leaders

01:03:18.000 accountable for

01:03:19.400 taking these actions

01:03:20.620 that are violating

01:03:21.280 our constitutional

01:03:21.980 rights.

01:03:23.260 All right, guys,

01:03:23.740 head on over to

01:03:24.380 Locals for Telsey

01:03:25.820 answering your

01:03:26.420 questions.

01:03:28.420 Is Taiwan worth

01:03:29.600 defending, says

01:03:30.300 Harry R.

01:03:31.600 That's a loaded

01:03:32.360 question.

01:03:32.980 What does that

01:03:33.680 mean?

01:03:35.620 What does that

01:03:37.160 know?

01:03:37.400 Where does that

01:03:38.700 go?

01:03:40.420 What does that

01:03:41.340 mean?

01:04:00.600 What does that

01:04:01.600 mean?

01:04:02.220 What does that

01:04:03.300 mean?

01:04:04.300 What does that

01:04:04.900 mean?

TRIGGERnometry - June 05, 2024

‘Democrat Elites Just Want Power’ - Tulsi Gabbard

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