TRIGGERnometry - ＂Don't Let the Unfairness of Life Make You a Victim＂

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantin Kitchen. And this is a

00:00:10.460 show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people. Our fantastic guest

00:00:16.100 today is a podcast host Michaela Peterson. Welcome to Trigonometry. Thank you. Thank you so much for

00:00:20.580 having me. It's so good to have you. We were just as we were setting up the interview, we were talking

00:00:25.720 about how excited we are to talk to you because francis and i both did a little bit of research

00:00:30.580 as we we sometimes do on you and your life story is is just you've had so many difficulties that

00:00:38.680 you've had to deal with in your life we just first of all wanted to talk to you about that

00:00:42.840 and because you know you go from having a lot of health issues as a kid and mental health issues

00:00:48.180 then your dad becomes a superstar like there's a whole then he's a nazi then there's this whole

00:00:52.540 thing, right? All sorts of things. And the last year you've had to look after him. There's been

00:00:57.160 a ton of stuff going on and it's incredible how well put together you are in spite of all these

00:01:04.020 difficulties. So we would just, you know, we talk about ideas on trigonometry more than anything,

00:01:08.160 but I think mindset is a big thing that we also want to talk about. And, you know, you,

00:01:13.160 you are an example of a lot of resilience. Uh, how has your life been? And just talk to us about

00:01:18.500 all of that? How well put together I appear. Yeah. Talk to us about how well put together

00:01:25.460 you appear. Go for it. So to give people a brief background about the health issues I went through

00:01:31.420 and just kind of what's happened, I'm 29 now. When I was seven, I was diagnosed with juvenile

00:01:36.740 rheumatoid arthritis and it was everywhere except for my spine. So I had at that point,

00:01:42.680 And I had 32 joints affected.

00:01:44.760 When I was 12, I was diagnosed with bipolar type 2, mainly really severe depression.

00:01:51.020 When I was 21, I was diagnosed with idiopathic hypersomnia, which is basically narcolepsy.

00:01:55.700 It's just like, we're not sure why, but you're sleeping all the time.

00:01:59.920 I had rashes and I was getting sicker and sicker.

00:02:03.240 When I was 17, I had my hip and ankle replaced from the arthritis that wasn't kept under

00:02:08.800 control with the immune suppressants I was injecting myself with since I was eight.

00:02:12.680 so I didn't like as a kid I guess if you're sick it's very because you don't know a lot of other

00:02:20.680 kids it's hard to tell what the difference between your life and somebody else's is I had my brother

00:02:25.960 to compare myself to and I was like well why me like why is that me and not him because he's like

00:02:30.280 perfect example of health it's like how's that fair um and then when I was 23 and I kept getting

00:02:37.060 sicker and sicker and I was on more and more medication and my skin stopped healing, I thought,

00:02:44.160 okay, I have to figure this out or it's going to kill me. And I have second cousins and a lot of

00:02:52.560 autoimmune problems on my dad's side. And some of those people were really sick. I had a second

00:02:58.320 cousin who passed away when she was 30 from a skin autoimmune disorder or something. They're

00:03:04.220 not entirely sure, but she had symptoms that were similar to mine, but her, she didn't have

00:03:08.860 arthritis. So I thought, okay, I have to figure this out. So I never really thought about myself

00:03:13.680 as resilient because I thought, what other option do I have? I'm just going to, you know,

00:03:18.980 you either learn and survive or you're going to die. That's kind of how I thought about it.

00:03:25.940 I'm also kind of prone to volatility and anger, which is, I think, part of actually what helped

00:03:33.160 me get through the sicknesses instead of wilting away, I got angry. So if we want to talk about

00:03:39.740 resiliency a little bit, I guess, and mindset and how to get through that was just the health

00:03:45.240 aspect, right? Right? Okay, I'll rewind a little bit. So I got I started to get healthy because I

00:03:50.320 went on this like insane diet adventure. And I kind of got raked over the coals in the media for

00:03:56.160 that. I went super, super low carb, which is more, at least you hear about it now. And that

00:04:03.160 helped a lot of my autoimmune symptoms. And then I ended up on an all meat diet, not because I

00:04:08.620 wanted to be controversial or only eat meat because it's actually not fun. But because

00:04:15.260 the alternative was having an autoimmune disorder and a mood disorder. And then at the same time,

00:04:22.020 my dad went on the diet he lost a bunch of weight because he had autoimmune problems and

00:04:27.320 and really severe depression he started feeling better and at the same time he got famous and

00:04:32.620 there was all that controversy which was incredibly stressful uh i think even just a positive

00:04:39.300 experience with fame is incredibly stressful but like my dad's experience was a lot of it was

00:04:47.100 negative we figured out that a lot of the media sources were lying about him right and you can't

00:04:53.520 really tell what they're lying about but when a story comes out about your dad about things he

00:04:58.140 said that he didn't say it's pretty then you go well what what else are they lying about like is

00:05:02.980 everything I read from them about other people a lie so I dealt with that um I had a baby pretty

00:05:10.640 like some of these some of these things it seems I kind of brought on to myself I had a baby

00:05:16.160 when I was 24 in a fairly new relationship. And that's my husband, but it was like incredibly

00:05:24.640 stressful at the time. And then in the last couple of years, my family's gotten incredibly sick. So

00:05:32.220 it was like, as soon as I got healthy in this insane way that nobody believed that the media

00:05:37.400 get made fun of. My mom got this deadly kidney cancer, collecting dot cancer, and she almost

00:05:46.540 died, but she made it, which wasn't supposed to happen, but it did. And then my dad had

00:05:53.280 had an issue, you could say, with anti-anxiety medication. So it turns out if you suddenly

00:06:02.760 kind of stopped taking SSRIs, people don't know about this, but if you suddenly stopped taking

00:06:07.460 SSRIs, you can get SSRI withdrawal. And you're not really told that there's SSRI withdrawal

00:06:13.220 when you go on SSRIs. People know about opiate withdrawal. They know about benzodiazepine

00:06:18.860 withdrawal, but they don't really know there's SSRI withdrawal. So part of the neurological

00:06:26.140 problems dad and I both had that drove us towards this low carb diet were from SSRI withdrawal.

00:06:32.760 which he ended up treating with benzodiazepines turns out that's not a good idea um and he ended

00:06:39.780 up with a side effect called akathisia and akathisia is the worst thing i've ever seen

00:06:45.900 and i've seen some pretty gnarly things having a hip and ankle replacement isn't isn't great

00:06:52.300 um but akathisia is a movement disorder and it's a side effect of some psych meds that people don't

00:06:58.420 really know about. So then we dealt with that for two years. And it looks as if things are kind of

00:07:05.120 on the upswing now. So like mom had her near death thing. Dad had his. I had mine for a really long

00:07:13.760 time, although it was kind of slow and drawn out. And I wouldn't say it was as dramatic as mom and

00:07:21.120 dad's, but we're hoping that there's a bit of a pause. But I think I got through it by using anger.

00:07:25.740 so instead of being like this is going to flatten me it was really you know whenever I got that

00:07:34.040 feeling like oh I can't I can't handle this like how is this happening this is too much you know

00:07:38.460 I'm in too much pain this is too hard I can't handle this whenever I had that I can't handle

00:07:44.500 this pop into my head then I'd have this surge of anger where it was like no fuck you this is

00:07:50.020 not what takes me out like I don't know who I was swearing at but reality was just like this is not

00:07:57.060 the direction my reality is going to continue in and then I'd kind of wrangle it back under control

00:08:02.180 and try and push it in a different direction um and I'm writing a I'm writing a memoir at the

00:08:10.080 tender age of 29 uh just about going through the autoimmune disorder and what happened with my dad

00:08:15.900 and my mom and it was just a bunch of random things that happened to me and I realized last

00:08:23.300 week that the kind of underlying theme was maybe resiliency and how to stay like alive if you get

00:08:33.240 hit over and over and over again and I think especially nowadays even just experiencing

00:08:39.420 lockdowns that people are uh it's really hard um and you can be you know you can you can be in a

00:08:46.300 pretty good place and in a lockdown and your your life can still kind of suck but if you're in a bad

00:08:51.520 place and then you put a lockdown on top of that like people need to find how to become resilient

00:08:59.580 i guess within them nowadays or they're not going to make it um so and michaelia you you said you

00:09:07.220 use the word resiliency, but what does that mean to you? Because a number of times we use these

00:09:11.820 words and they mean different things to different people. To me, it means if you get hit, it makes

00:09:17.980 you stronger. So it's not just limping around. It's if you get hurt, you can turn that into

00:09:26.660 something that makes you stronger. You know, one of the things I've been thinking about is

00:09:31.860 if if nothing bad ever happened in your life again you would still be like i've had my fair

00:09:38.140 share of challenges right like that's how i feel just knowing some of the things you've been dealing

00:09:43.100 with uh and i it struck me that's kind of like a big theme in your dad's work as well this

00:09:49.000 idea that life is unfair and you have to learn to deal with it like how do you deal with the fact

00:09:55.140 that life is unfair you have to you have to try and find the positives and situations

00:10:01.900 and you'll get people who say oh god you'll get people who say you know you go to a funeral and

00:10:10.080 then you come out and you're miserable and someone will go well they're in a better place now and you

00:10:14.640 just like you just want to slap them so i don't mean like find find i mean find good things in

00:10:23.480 like terrible situations I don't mean that the terrible situation is worth it I just mean you're

00:10:29.420 you're gonna have a terrible situation happen to you like everybody is everybody experiences death

00:10:35.880 from someone they love so that at least is probably gonna happen and then there might be

00:10:41.080 more there might be disease which is horrible um or there might just be you know lockdowns which

00:10:46.860 which isn't disease and death but it's it's not good and so you have to try and find the good in

00:10:55.040 it so for me uh having having it's easier it's I find it's easier if it's happening to you and not

00:11:04.200 to someone you love because that's really hard to wrap your mind around but if it's happening to you

00:11:09.600 then you can say, well, assuming this situation, whatever I'm in is going to end,

00:11:15.500 maybe I can stop this from happening to other people. So part of the reason I've been so vocal

00:11:21.340 about the diet that worked for me is because I've seen it work for other people. So if I can stop,

00:11:27.060 you know, one other person from having to live their life in chronic pain, then me having the

00:11:36.620 chronic pain is more worth it. And the more people I can help makes it more worth it. And at the

00:11:42.040 moment, I think that I've helped enough people that I wouldn't take it back. So I think the way

00:11:49.360 you survive really terrible situations is you find the good in whatever happened and you make

00:11:55.900 whatever happened to you worth it. And that's really tricky when it's like somebody you love

00:12:01.340 dying. Like that's on another level, but I don't see any other way that you can psychologically

00:12:07.720 survive. And it's a really, really good point. I mean, it becomes even more tricky when you

00:12:14.060 factor in depression, when your own mind is ill. I mean, what can you, I mean, that is surely the

00:12:20.580 ultimate, isn't it? Trying to overcome something when your own mind is conspiring against you.

00:12:25.560 Yeah. So I have a few comments on that too. I had, so I had bipolar type two, but my main symptom was this severe depression. And when people asked what that was like, it was like, like, it was like a really heavy version of when you're in a bad area and you're walking down an alley and you think you're going to get jumped, but you had that feeling all the time.

00:12:48.260 so it's like constant jumpiness and that's but it's way worse than that um it was like walking

00:12:56.720 through tar all the time like everything was heavy to lift up except it's worse um I I always

00:13:04.520 at the time when I was depressed I used to be like you know it's kind of like your dog died

00:13:08.280 and you can go to a party but your dog just died so you always have that feeling and then my dog

00:13:14.220 died. And I was like, oh, that was not nearly as bad as this depression. So how do you? I think

00:13:22.840 that you have to figure out how to tackle the depression. Because when I was depressed, I

00:13:27.280 couldn't trust anything I was thinking. It was always, you know, I'd have this wonderful opportunity

00:13:32.640 present itself. And now I have a much easier time judging opportunity for what it's worth. But I'd

00:13:37.540 have this opportunity to present itself. And then I'd think, well, these are all the 10,000 ways

00:13:42.140 it can go wrong and then inevitably it would and i'd be like well why doesn't that happen to my

00:13:47.780 brother like he just assumes everything's going to be okay and it is and i assume everything's

00:13:52.140 going to be wrong and it always is wrong so i wouldn't i why wouldn't i continue assuming it's

00:13:56.520 going to go wrong um but i think like this is why i'm a big proponent of diet to be honest i think

00:14:03.120 that if you have a psych condition and you're walking around in pain you need to get the source

00:14:08.420 of the condition under control. And generally speaking, unless it's situational, I think that

00:14:14.800 a lot of that can be handled by less inflammatory diets, so less carbs. And people underestimate

00:14:20.600 how much of a difference that can make because you go, oh, well, you know, don't eat as much

00:14:24.620 sugar. And it's like, my depression is way worse than me eating sugar. But if you go low carb,

00:14:31.480 I've seen that help a lot of people. If you're situationally depressed because someone near you

00:14:35.660 is sick or dying, then you have to just truck through that until it's over. And you have to

00:14:40.480 remember that these periods of time are awful when they're happening, but they will end. Just

00:14:45.880 have to keep that in mind. Like this isn't forever. Especially like people have that with

00:14:50.460 this lockdown, right? Like there's this number of suicides is devastating. People who are already

00:14:57.120 kind of at risk and then they're just like, I'm isolated. I can't handle this. But people have

00:15:01.620 to remember that this isn't forever there's like there's going to be a way out so just just wait

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00:15:46.920 every month and the the one we did just a couple of days ago it was yeah people are really struggling

00:15:53.980 with these lockdowns and I think as you say that sense of knowing that this too shall pass can be

00:16:01.240 very helpful for very bad times like now but also actually for very good times sometimes you're too

00:16:05.880 high on the immediate success and you also want to take a more measured approach to it I guess

00:16:11.980 is what I'm saying one of the things I'm hearing Michele in a lot of what you're saying you're

00:16:15.780 talking about anger and you're talking about finding solutions right and that takes us very

00:16:21.780 neatly into something we talk about on the show a lot, which is the culture war. How do you,

00:16:27.160 as someone who's been through all of that and has found that the best solution for your issues was

00:16:31.900 to get into action, to do something? How do you feel about what I would describe as people being

00:16:38.660 taught to be victims, being taught to have the exact opposite approach, to make their problem

00:16:43.940 someone else's fault, that they just can be sad about instead of actually taking action?

00:16:48.240 what do you what do you make of all of that yeah I think it I think that could be deadly like I

00:16:53.820 think that that ruins lives like I was lucky enough to have my father as a father and when

00:16:58.980 I was diagnosed with arthritis and I was diagnosed when I was seven so I was in grade two and I was

00:17:05.920 really sick I didn't want to go to school I was really tired I was limping like um in grade three

00:17:12.360 had a hard time walking and he told me never use your illness as an excuse and I had all the excuses

00:17:21.240 because I had arthritis everywhere and I was pretty miserable and in pain but he said like

00:17:28.600 err on the side of not using it as an excuse and I think I probably I think erring on the side of

00:17:36.480 not using it as an excuse at all is safer, even though that's not exactly fair, right? There were

00:17:43.160 times when I probably could have stayed in bed. But it doesn't help people. And people are taught

00:17:51.260 right now, something unfair happens to them. And it is unfair. And unfair things happen to

00:17:57.320 everybody. And some people, they hit a lot worse, especially people who are sick, right? But

00:18:04.240 telling them, telling them so that there's a, there's a number of problems. One telling them

00:18:11.700 that it's someone else's fault means they can't do anything about it. So it takes,

00:18:18.220 it takes all the power away from them. One of the issues I had with, I've got issues with a lot of

00:18:25.300 things, but I have issues with the medical system and how they treat chronically ill people because

00:18:30.360 they say this is a disease and you're going to have it forever and it takes takes any hope of

00:18:37.060 getting better away because they say that's not possible so you don't even look people don't even

00:18:41.300 look they go this is you know this is just what it is i have to live with it uh and i think even

00:18:46.380 in that respect it would be more helpful if you were kind of told oh yeah you're really sick and

00:18:51.520 we can't help you so you're gonna have to figure it out and if and if people were told that for

00:18:57.600 these other things that they say are unfair like if you're not born a white person if you're female

00:19:03.900 if you're transgender whatever it would probably be better to say you know you might have a harder

00:19:10.840 time in some aspects but you're gonna have to figure out what to do about it not this is the

00:19:16.940 patriarchy's fault and you're screwed like when I took sciences in university and this was before

00:19:26.080 things got really weird in universities. But every two months, I'd have somebody and it wasn't a

00:19:32.420 science student, it was somebody from some student group come in, and they'd go, you know, we know

00:19:38.320 all the women in this class worked really hard to get here. And it was just like, that is so

00:19:44.680 condescending. Like, like taking away Yeah, I studied hard, as did everybody else. But being

00:19:51.800 like i know it was extra hard for you and just like screw off with with your fake i don't even

00:19:58.520 know what that is fake empathy but i'm i'm i think the victim mentality that people are being told is

00:20:06.700 the right way to live life is really dangerous and i think it'll end up making people like harming

00:20:12.660 people because they won't be able to escape it they'll just be stuck in this victim box forever

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00:21:22.560 and why do you think we're being told that why do you think we're being encouraged to believe

00:21:28.800 that narrative i don't have any like great conspiracy theories or or anything i don't

00:21:36.560 know if it's coming from the top I think it's just easier like if you get sick lying around in bed it

00:21:43.340 is easier than continuing to go about life pretending nothing's wrong um so I think it's

00:21:52.000 an easy sell and it's easy for groups of people to feel sorry about themselves together um I don't

00:22:01.100 know what do you do what do you guys think you think there's a reason we're being sold this

00:22:05.420 yeah i think you've hit the nail on the head i think also uh people crave a tribe don't they

00:22:11.020 we all want to be part of a group yeah and if you put all those things together and here's a tribe

00:22:17.200 we can all be victims together we can all be oppressed together we can make that the thing

00:22:21.960 that we talk about the thing that we quote unquote resist or whatever it is i think people really want

00:22:28.060 that belonging don't they and i also think people like simple solutions to complex problems yeah

00:22:33.760 Yeah. See, that's where I'd go. I'd say it's just it's easier. It's easier whining about your situation than trying to figure it out. It's really hard trying to figure out a problem. It's a lot easier being like, this is completely I'm not able to do this because it's somebody else's fault. And look at all the people around me who agree with me. Yeah. So I guess the tribe is a big part of it, too.

00:22:55.420 And for something like, like I originally saw this because I was sick, there was a lot of catering to being sick. And you see that too with the, say the fat acceptance movement. I can see where, I can see where it came from, but accepting being sick is really not good. You shouldn't make the norm or, or everybody will be sick and there'll be no reason for them to get better if they're just like, this is normal. It's dangerous.

00:23:23.900 but we also glorify being sick now don't we if you see it you know you see it with

00:23:29.080 in people's bios you know you know bpd depressive it's become an identity badge

00:23:34.400 yeah yeah it's weird because okay so i remember in maybe like 2004 or something around then there

00:23:41.980 was this big push for um anxiety and depression mainly and they're saying you know these are real

00:23:47.900 things people are suffering from it's not just situational like this is a disease and i think

00:23:53.180 that was important because it is a disease and it's not just people being feeling sorry for

00:23:59.920 themselves, right? There's, there's different types of depression, but the inflammatory

00:24:04.320 depression, that's a serious disease. And then it just went sideways. Like, um, I can understand

00:24:13.040 again with the fat acceptance movement, a lot of these people who have tried to lose weight

00:24:19.480 a whole bunch of different ways. And they're exercising, like I've known people who are,

00:24:26.020 you know, 350 pounds and run all the time, and they're still 350 pounds. And so they go, well,

00:24:32.500 I've tried exercising, it's not working. It's genetic, and it's not my fault. So why are people

00:24:39.240 bullying me about it? And that's kind of where the fat acceptance movement came out of. And so I

00:24:44.420 think it's partly it's just people aren't educated on being healthy. And I think the same thing

00:24:49.740 happened with, you know, I have bipolar and now it's in my bio is they honestly don't know what

00:24:56.480 to do about it. And so they're saying, well, that's who I am. Don't bug me about it because

00:25:01.400 I can't change it. That's my opinion. I think I think part of the problem is people don't know

00:25:07.680 how to deal with it. And that goes back to the issues I have with the medical system telling you

00:25:12.120 that there's nothing you can do about it you have it for life here's the medication yeah because it

00:25:17.900 does seem that very much that you know people are you're in medication a lot of them like

00:25:22.800 relatives who are very very close to me just are medicated for the entire for their entire lives

00:25:28.600 but you really believe that with diet that you can overcome it so could you just go into that

00:25:34.040 a little bit yeah i'll go into it in like brief detail so i i was brought into like if you have a

00:25:41.500 sick kid, generally speaking, and you're a good parent, you try absolutely everything under the

00:25:46.600 sun to get them better. So I was brought to every holistic practitioner that my mom could find. My

00:25:53.100 dad was like, that's, that's bullshit. But my mom was like, no, we'll try everything like muscle

00:25:58.600 testing, like everything. And so I grew up and what I saw was my mom spending hordes of money

00:26:04.760 and we didn't have any money at that time. Like we weren't buying magazines or anything

00:26:09.000 because we had, we had like not enough money. My mom was a stay at home mom. And so I thought

00:26:16.000 these are like quacks taking advantage of sick people and charging them money because they're

00:26:21.200 desperate. And this is so wrong. And it made me really angry. And that drove me away from the

00:26:27.160 more natural route. Plus the medical system was saying this is uncontrollable. And we're the

00:26:33.140 scientists here. Those other people aren't scientists. But then when I started doing

00:26:37.840 research. And I actually looked at the science because it turns out when a paper is written,

00:26:43.500 it takes approximately 30 years to get implemented into hospitals. So if the people in the hospitals

00:26:49.460 are saying they're scientists, they're also not, not right. They were scientists 30 years ago.

00:26:54.900 So I started looking into it and it turns out leaky gut is a, is an actual thing. And that's

00:27:02.200 Because of the diets people have nowadays, which are highly processed, high sugar, it does cause a level of gut damage.

00:27:10.340 And when you get gut damage, foods you're eating can escape into your blood.

00:27:15.180 And then that can provoke an immune response because your body's like, what the hell is a large protein of grain doing in here?

00:27:24.520 And in certain susceptible people, this can provoke an entire immune response.

00:27:28.660 So they found out that with people with arthritis, there are proteins called lectins, which are

00:27:35.200 in grains, they're in legumes, they're in a lot of plants, and your body sees one of

00:27:40.420 these lectins that escapes into your blood and then provokes an immune response, which

00:27:44.480 is a totally reasonable response.

00:27:47.380 But lectins also look like joint tissue.

00:27:50.800 So it can miscommunicate and then direct an immune response towards joint tissue.

00:27:55.840 So this leaky gut theory that naturopaths have been talking about for 20 years, there is scientific evidence behind it.

00:28:03.860 And if you have food proteins escape into your body, it can just generally cause inflammation.

00:28:10.480 And there's been a huge link between inflammation and depression.

00:28:14.500 Like one of the most closely associated symptoms, like physical symptoms with depression is low back pain.

00:28:21.880 So it's not just in your head. It's also physical.

00:28:25.840 And I've seen thousands and thousands of people get better simply going low carb.

00:28:31.600 And the reason that seems to work is because there are certain foods that cause leaky gut

00:28:36.400 more than others.

00:28:37.980 And this is probably combined with antibiotic use, medication, like our bodies aren't, we're

00:28:43.940 not like, we can't drink paint, right?

00:28:46.140 We can't, we can't eat absolutely everything and not get sick.

00:28:50.460 And you can see that really well by some of the middle states.

00:28:54.460 if you're just there people are like visibly ill compared to places in Europe and um it looks like

00:29:03.180 there's good evidence that a lot of that has to do with diet which is actually good news because

00:29:07.540 you can change your diet there's a it's a more hopeful story than sorry you're just genetically

00:29:14.880 predisposed to being 400 pounds like come on is that is that really an easier sell than maybe it

00:29:21.580 has to do with what you eat francis do you enjoy social media of course i love spending my days

00:29:29.480 being called a fat bigot by strangers and do you think the woke bias on social media is getting

00:29:34.260 ridiculous yeah what happened to pilot was a travesty for freedom of speech online what if

00:29:40.160 i told you there was a brand new social media platform that encouraged free speech that's

00:29:44.800 brilliant will it be able to show off my sick abs on it as well hopefully not the new platform is

00:29:50.120 called Retalk and it is absolutely exploding right now. They have discussion forums around

00:29:54.960 any topic from gardening to ancient history all the way to current politics. That sounds great,

00:30:00.680 but a lot of these free speech platforms just attract all the worst people from both sides.

00:30:06.380 Or as we call them here, trigonometry fans. Correct. Joking aside, what makes Retalk

00:30:11.680 different is it's moderated to keep away extremists. But instead of being uber woke,

00:30:15.940 they take a balanced view to moderation.

00:30:18.480 Wow, how did they find so many moderators

00:30:20.940 who don't have pink hair?

00:30:23.100 I don't know, maybe they hire people

00:30:24.660 from all over the political spectrum.

00:30:27.380 Great joke, mate.

00:30:28.660 No big tech company would ever do that.

00:30:31.400 Retalk insists on civility

00:30:32.960 and they're particularly keen to foster conversations

00:30:35.420 for people in the center and on the center right.

00:30:37.720 You can even go on there and discuss trigonometry

00:30:39.940 and your favorite episodes.

00:30:41.420 So all I need to do to access this great site

00:30:44.200 is click on the link

00:30:45.160 and it will take me straight there.

00:30:46.620 Yep.

00:30:47.020 And if you're a listener, go to retalk.com.

00:30:49.940 That's R-E-T-A-L-K.com

00:30:53.380 and start having intelligent conversations.

00:30:56.300 You know there'll be intelligent conversations

00:30:58.060 because Francis hasn't worked out how to join yet.

00:31:00.400 I haven't.

00:31:02.520 And it's very interesting because, again, with corona,

00:31:07.320 people were told about vitamin D

00:31:09.600 and we had the government telling us about different things,

00:31:13.920 but no one ever explained why diet can help keep you healthy and help prevent you from getting

00:31:18.820 certain illnesses especially corona so if somebody is in that place where they are depressed what are

00:31:25.660 things that people can do in order to overcome it for example with diet okay so the simplest thing

00:31:32.140 if you really don't want to change your diet um which is fair because most people don't i would

00:31:38.120 minimum stop eating gluten containing grains. And I got told when I was sick to by naturopaths

00:31:47.420 to stop eating gluten. And I had brushed it off as kind of a California girl fad.

00:31:53.820 And that turned out when I started delving into the science and looking at leaky gut,

00:31:57.760 that turned out to be completely wrong. So lots of people can feel better simply by removing

00:32:03.920 gluten-containing grains so that's basically all the yummy foods it's like wheat rye barley

00:32:11.520 so that gets rid of beer pasta pizza cake donuts like any type of cakey dessert um it's in soy

00:32:21.240 sauce so you have to like really it's in twizzlers gluten is in a lot of places but

00:32:26.240 that you've lost francis already mikaela sorry i'll embrace the depression mikaela

00:32:31.000 that that can help and generally if you do it for six weeks this is what i tell people to do so go

00:32:38.160 gluten-free for six weeks it's pretty easy nowadays because they make gluten-free foods

00:32:43.040 they're not as good but they're there um and then at the end of six weeks like have a couple of

00:32:48.320 slices of pizza and just see how you feel over the next couple days so that's a pretty simple

00:32:52.920 test now that's pretty good for people who aren't like half dead if you're in the same boat as me

00:32:59.660 then i tell the or you have an autoimmune disorder um or a really severe psychiatric

00:33:05.500 condition i tell those people to go like way low carb get rid of grains dairy soy um and if you can

00:33:13.160 manage to get rid of those three things like as long as you can convince yourself it has something

00:33:17.100 to do with diet then you can kind of figure it out it's the initial hump of being like does diet

00:33:22.580 actually have anything to do with my health that I had a problem with. As soon as I limited it,

00:33:30.080 reintroduced, and had this huge inflammatory reaction, I was like, oh, okay, well, I'll look

00:33:35.460 into this. So minimum, I'd say get rid of gluten. And if you want to go a little bit more, then get

00:33:41.780 rid of grains entirely and dairy. And that could help immensely. A lot of people who are super,

00:33:47.060 super overweight if they just stop eating grains they lose pounds without calorie restricting

00:33:52.860 um same with mood but it depends your level on your level of severity like when i cut gluten

00:33:58.760 it probably made 10 of a difference it was noticeable but it wasn't enough for me to be

00:34:04.000 like diet's the cure it's an interesting point you make i mean i think at this stage of like

00:34:10.600 scientific knowledge to suggest that diet has nothing to do with your health or or mood is is

00:34:16.460 absurd i think we it's you know it's obvious you just have to look at your own life and look at

00:34:20.840 what you eat and how you feel afterwards it's um why why do you think we're so attached to this

00:34:26.180 idea that diet is it is it just because we like eating the bad food and would rather would not

00:34:30.500 cut it out i think so i would guess so i mean this is where i get a little bit conspiratorial

00:34:37.680 because there is evidence like there is evidence of large food companies kind of infiltrating the

00:34:47.620 government or lobbying like a lot of grains and soy and corn are subsidized by the government

00:34:53.900 there have been scientific studies that aren't published because there isn't enough there's no

00:35:00.420 nobody's funding like these no one's funding those but you can get like soy companies funding the

00:35:06.740 one saying soy is a health food. So that's where I get a little conspiratorial. But I think probably

00:35:11.220 the simplest answer is people just like how the certain types of food taste. And, you know, I find

00:35:20.980 that the foods that taste the best, other than steak, but the foods that taste the best, probably

00:35:28.660 are the ones that aren't as good for you. Like when I started cutting things out, it was my

00:35:32.360 favorite foods that were making me sick. I used to drink a hot glass of milk when I was a kid

00:35:38.700 before I went to bed at night. And dairy was hugely inflammatory for my arthritis. I had sugar and

00:35:44.040 cinnamon on toast, which is clearly not a health food, but it's absolutely wonderful. And I had

00:35:50.160 bread at every meal. And that was one of the biggest ones. So like cheese and bread. And I

00:35:54.580 put soy sauce on everything. And it was cheese and bread and soy that were the ones that were

00:35:58.700 the most inflammatory and they were the ones that made me go like mmm when I eat them um so sad was

00:36:04.480 it to say goodbye to them I'm telling you if I would be in tears I cried okay so when I I'm not

00:36:11.600 even kidding I cut everything out and I was like I don't know if this will really make a difference

00:36:15.380 but if I'm doing kind of a a rigorous study of why I'm so sick I have to rule out diet at least

00:36:22.480 So I did a month long kind of test where I went really low carb.

00:36:27.640 So that's like meat and greens and certain like sweet potatoes and parsnips.

00:36:32.380 It was really low carb.

00:36:33.780 And I felt a lot better within the first month, abnormally better.

00:36:39.180 And then I reintroduced, first I reintroduced Sour Patch Kids because I was like, they don't

00:36:46.400 have any gluten and soy and dairy.

00:36:48.860 And that didn't go particularly well.

00:36:50.640 and then I reintroduced cheese because it was one of the things I missed. And I had such a horrible

00:36:55.000 reaction to cheese that, yeah, I cried afterwards when I was like, I can't, it makes me too sick.

00:37:00.540 And I cried. So it's really hard. And people get really intense cravings when they stop

00:37:06.420 certain foods. So it's no wonder. Plus, people get pissy when you're like,

00:37:12.460 hey, that disease you have is perhaps treatable. And a lot of people,

00:37:18.280 when they're talking about diet presented in a way as if the person they're talking to has done

00:37:23.800 something wrong like that's how it was always presented to me well why don't you eat healthier

00:37:28.680 and I was like what the hell you think my like whether or not I eat healthy has to do with me

00:37:34.160 having my joints replaced you asshole plus I was eating like rice and chicken and broccoli

00:37:42.400 and milk like i wasn't eating terribly um and so it depends how it's presented you can't be like

00:37:51.280 eat healthier you're just you know lazy that's why you're sick so that's not going to go over well

00:37:56.800 yeah yeah well you're losing francis rapidly he can just see himself crying at the point of

00:38:02.840 cutting out anything to do with carbs it goes away with chips more or fries as you would say

00:38:08.280 sweet potatoes fries would be better but but the cravings are good this is the conversion of

00:38:15.680 francis live on air here michaela this is what's happening here you have to be suffering pretty

00:38:20.700 hard to start dropping foods or you have to be one of those freaks that exercises all the time

00:38:27.900 and just chooses to do it but i don't identify with those people no i've met some of them and

00:38:33.980 know i've avoided them on principle ever since i was gonna ask you do you get a lot of shit from

00:38:39.980 vegans michaela you know what not really compared to like there are some other carnivore doctors

00:38:46.840 and what they do is preach this carnivore diet and um they get harassed all the time i think or

00:38:53.980 at least they talk about getting harassed all the time but i don't really get bummed but mostly i

00:38:58.240 think it's because i'm saying like i was really sick and now i'm not and they're kind of like

00:39:03.280 okay, that looks like it was true. So maybe it worked for her. But I also get a lot of,

00:39:10.780 I just get a lot of hate across the board. So I also kind of, I might ignore some of it.

00:39:16.520 It doesn't seem, vegan gains has been an issue. He's a disaster of a human. But other than that,

00:39:24.180 not really. You said you get a lot of hate all around. What have you done to get hate? Why do

00:39:30.480 you get hate um well i can it started with this meat diet and so i can understand where that came

00:39:40.060 from because it was like oh girl goes around saying meat diet cured her disorders and that

00:39:45.880 it can help other people and that probably would have made me angry too before i gotten healthier

00:39:53.580 so i can kind of understand where that's coming from plus it's way easier to get mad at that than

00:39:59.940 to be like, yeah, that's reasonable, especially if you don't understand it at all. And then after

00:40:05.500 that, well, when my dad got really sick and we had to bring him to Russia, I can understand why

00:40:11.140 that made people mad because people were like, why the hell did you go to Russia? And they don't

00:40:14.620 know the backstory and why we ended up doing it. So it's easier being angry. And then I think that

00:40:21.620 there are also just people who live in the basement for most of their lives and have nothing

00:40:25.120 it better to do than insult people who are perhaps doing more with their life than they are.

00:40:31.820 And I think that's probably where the majority of my hate comes from.

00:40:34.880 I don't like those people.

00:40:35.840 I just think there are better targets for those people, surely.

00:40:38.220 Like, I find it very strange that people would come after you, but it's equally something

00:40:43.160 your dad is.

00:40:44.040 I think he was asked recently whether he would ever run for office, and he said that he wouldn't

00:40:48.280 because of the amount of cruel behavior that you receive as a public figure.

00:40:54.300 and we do live in a strange world don't we where the moment anyone sticks their head above the

00:40:59.660 parapet whether it's him or you with with the diet or anything suddenly you just become just

00:41:05.780 so many of our guests like we get them on the show and then i look at our twitter afterwards

00:41:10.840 when they've retweeted it and they just have people whose only thing seemingly is they follow

00:41:16.100 one person around the internet and post crap on anything that that person shares as how how

00:41:22.860 I don't get it. Like, do you not have anything better to do?

00:41:27.340 No, they don't. And they're very sad people. Like those people aren't, I can't imagine that's a

00:41:33.280 happy person. Not that that makes it okay. Like you can get, you can have terrible things happen

00:41:39.440 to you and you become this like evil human being that just, you know, why was I put through so

00:41:45.440 much misery? Why am I in so much pain? Let me inflict pain on everybody around me. Right. You

00:41:50.740 get those people that go through horrible circumstances and end up like that or you get

00:41:55.260 people who go through horrible circumstances and then they try and help other people to avoid the

00:41:59.620 same kind of suffering and so the people just like following people around on twitter are the people

00:42:05.720 who've probably been through some shit and just feel like it would be better if they doled it out

00:42:10.400 instead of trying to limit the amount of suffering in the world yeah and we we seem to believe now

00:42:18.060 that being famous or being a public figure,

00:42:20.880 for a lot of people, they crave it

00:42:22.760 because they believe that it will sort their problems out.

00:42:25.380 That once they become famous,

00:42:26.840 it will act as a medicine for whatever ills

00:42:29.640 that they have in this life.

00:42:30.860 But as somebody who is in the public eye

00:42:33.780 but has seen your dad catapulted

00:42:35.960 to this stratospheric level of fame,

00:42:39.160 you must have seen the other side of it.

00:42:42.720 Yeah, it was just completely absurd.

00:42:44.660 like honestly I mean I think that the reason he got so sick was pretty much purely because of this

00:42:58.780 it was a benzodiazepine akathisia caused by a psych med like a lot of people have said was it

00:43:05.200 all the stress that he was under was it because he did you know he did like 130 city tour in 200

00:43:10.740 days he was like flying every day he was doing lectures at night like he was on fire and then

00:43:17.000 my mom got sick and this akathisia started from these benzodiazepines and that nailed him right

00:43:26.260 like the the illnesses hurt him I don't actually think it was the fame that hurt him now at the

00:43:33.020 beginning when when there were questions about him losing his job and he was very worried about

00:43:38.800 that that was a very stressful time or when there were protests when he was going to universities

00:43:42.940 that was really stressful so that was 2017 and that's part of the reason he actually started

00:43:50.620 taking the anti-anxiety medication other than the fact there was SSRI withdrawal was all that

00:43:56.440 stress but then when he kind of started avoiding universities and started touring it was

00:44:03.120 overwhelmingly positive. So he's had, it's been overwhelming, but I wouldn't say that his

00:44:09.280 experience has been negative in the whole, like when, when we get people approaching him on the

00:44:14.500 street, they're 99% of it is, is positive. So, um, it certainly doesn't make your life less

00:44:23.120 complicated and it doesn't make it simpler. Like, it's not like you get famous and then you get more

00:44:28.560 money for no reason. And then you're happier. But, you know, what happens, I think, is if you

00:44:37.960 get to a certain level of fame, then you're presented with a ton of opportunity. And if you

00:44:44.400 grab those opportunities, then you can make money. So it's not just because you're famous,

00:44:48.880 it's because you're working, but you do have more access to opportunity. And then I think that can

00:44:54.700 go in whatever direction, but it certainly makes more people hate you no matter what you do.

00:45:01.120 And it doesn't make your life any simpler. It's definitely stressful.

00:45:05.960 Yeah. It's interesting because I had an experience a couple of years ago where

00:45:10.000 I was in every newspaper in the country for a week, just a week, and then it was over.

00:45:15.160 It was over, right? And it wasn't necessarily particularly critical or whatever. Most of,

00:45:20.540 you know all a lot of the stories were positive a lot of the comments were positive etc but he was

00:45:25.620 unbearable all the way through there i'm still i'm still unbearable as you can see but the one

00:45:31.580 thing i really love well two things actually i learned from that number one is what you said

00:45:35.180 earlier which is you look at the media and you go even the people who are writing positive stories

00:45:39.720 about me are not writing about me accurately right so what does that say about everyone else

00:45:45.540 and what I, you know, and that's that that was the moment I decided never to make up my mind

00:45:50.400 about somebody until I'd spoken to them personally. And I got to know them because that's such a good

00:45:55.580 rule. Yeah, I have that rule, too, because even what they post about themselves on social media,

00:46:01.580 sometimes that can come off as extremely annoying. And that's completely wrong, too. So, yeah,

00:46:07.180 that's a good rule. Right. And the second thing I learned is I don't think our brains evolved for

00:46:14.100 that level of attention. I agree. You know, you can be, you know, I'm, I think psychologically

00:46:21.000 one of the most grounded people that you could find. I found it so difficult that period of time.

00:46:27.260 And it took me months to adjust to the idea that suddenly, you know, loads of people have an

00:46:32.700 opinion about me. So I can only imagine what it was like for your dad and for you as well, by

00:46:38.280 extension, just the fact that you suddenly find yourself, loads of people have an opinion about

00:46:44.020 your your family uh based off that it it our brains didn't didn't evolve for that they really

00:46:49.720 didn't yeah i completely agree and i think that's one of the problems that's one of the problems

00:46:54.020 with social media i mean even a small following even getting like i remember when before i had

00:47:01.540 any following you watch you know how many likes you get on photos and you watch this kind of thing

00:47:06.560 because it's a social metric for what people think of you which is important if you want to

00:47:11.700 kind of evolve, right? But then if you start getting, I would say even thousands of followers,

00:47:19.160 like I don't even think we're evolved to be used to thousands of followers, let alone hundreds of

00:47:24.520 thousands or millions. Like even thousands of followers, you get one negative comment

00:47:29.820 about any aspect of your life and you're like, oh, well, is that true? It's like, who is the

00:47:38.360 person commenting you don't know who they are you've never spoken with them but for some reason

00:47:42.280 the one negative comment and then of course when you have more followers than that then

00:47:46.620 it's literally going to be impossible to not have negative comments you're not going to have all

00:47:51.220 positive comments I don't think we're wired for it at all and I've spoken I've been fortunate

00:47:55.420 enough to to talk to a lot of people who have millions of followers on my podcast and they all

00:48:03.720 had a difficult time with it even though their fame was let's say not as controversial as somebody

00:48:10.640 like my dad like even just being recognized is hard even if it's positive and so then you know

00:48:16.760 you it's funny I I used to have more I get it was probably jealousy to be honest um about celebrities

00:48:24.040 it was probably jealousy but at the time I wouldn't have called it that uh it was just like

00:48:29.480 you know it it was misunderstanding maybe I remember Eminem came out with a song a while

00:48:34.100 ago and it was like he was complaining about the media approaching him when he was just trying to

00:48:39.960 have dinner with his family and he like freaked out about it and I was like come on if you're

00:48:46.720 gonna be famous you can't really complain about that and I've changed my mind I understand that

00:48:52.800 now like it's hard like people are all just people and it's hard to be recognized or to

00:48:59.360 have strangers approach you um even though it can be like exciting and positive like i get it it's

00:49:05.420 still stressful um it's just an interesting it's a really interesting experience i wouldn't change

00:49:11.100 it but i do because there's not a lot of opportunity that comes with it but i we're not

00:49:15.700 wired for it absolutely and then you take into account you know the type of you know

00:49:21.560 fame that you and your father have which you know you are figures where you know that create a lot

00:49:27.560 of strong emotions it's different you know if somebody's in you know like are you leading

00:49:31.720 in a pop band where if you don't like the music you don't listen but everybody nowadays seems to

00:49:36.300 have an opinion whether it's positive or negative about you both yeah true i guess it's more politics

00:49:42.400 right like that would happen with with people in politics which is which my dad is definitely

00:49:49.580 actively trying to avoid it's like oh no that's way that's way too much stress but i guess it's

00:49:57.340 it's weird we have this new type of communication like podcasts like this and it's kind of the same

00:50:04.960 thing i guess you don't have people voting for you at least but you kind of do i guess with

00:50:08.620 popularity it's a weird time yeah but i i think that this long form lends itself to a very different

00:50:16.740 type of conversation you know you mentioned twitter or politics that's all conducted in

00:50:21.520 these very short sound bites isn't it and it's all about tribalism i feel like with conversations

00:50:26.700 like the one we're having now.

00:50:28.200 You know, you could be saying anything right now.

00:50:29.780 I don't know what you're going to say.

00:50:30.780 We don't know each other well.

00:50:32.020 And I'm open to hearing it.

00:50:33.360 And I think, likewise, you're open to hearing what we have to say.

00:50:36.420 And I think that changes the nature of it,

00:50:38.140 which is why I have to ask this question.

00:50:41.060 When is the world going to get your dad back?

00:50:44.120 Broadway's smash hit, the Neil Diamond musical,

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00:51:02.200 hit is here the neil diamond musical a beautiful noise april 28th through june 7th 2026 the

00:51:09.100 princess of wales theater get tickets at mirvish.com um well he's coming out with a book in

00:51:18.740 march so i would guess around then yeah he's not gonna go full blast but good but but good yeah

00:51:31.840 like i don't think as a family we'd let him go full blast anyway he likes going full blast but

00:51:36.360 that might take a bit and um obviously like i know he was touring and things and those are in

00:51:42.820 of works too but we have covid so everything's kind of on pause anyway um but his book's coming

00:51:50.860 out in march beyond order it's available for pre-order in case anyone wants to check it out

00:51:56.220 oh some people are gonna check it out believe me but it's exciting because i sort of half joked

00:52:01.640 the other day that you know jordan peterson took a year and a half off or however long it's been

00:52:06.580 and look what's happened to the world.

00:52:09.300 We're in a little worse of a place.

00:52:11.760 But I just saw him starting to comment on things online.

00:52:14.360 And I just think a voice of sensible moderation

00:52:17.300 that is equally brave in rejecting extremism

00:52:20.340 is exactly what we need right now.

00:52:22.720 So from both of us and from a lot of our fans,

00:52:26.300 I'm sure we sent him and your family best wishes

00:52:28.880 and we look forward to having him back.

00:52:31.300 Thank you.

00:52:31.980 Yeah, so do I.

00:52:33.680 So do I.

00:52:34.360 It'll be fun.

00:52:34.960 like things will get going again but probably march that's exciting uh michael listen it's

00:52:43.240 been great chatting with you i think you you yourself you know we obviously talked about

00:52:47.080 your dad because he's such an important public figure but you yourself have had such an interesting

00:52:51.040 life and i think some of the attitudes you formed and also of course the diet as well

00:52:55.400 it you know it's important to talk about those things in a constructive way because we have

00:53:00.860 this conversation like we don't talk enough about mental health when we talk about mental health all

00:53:05.280 the fucking time you know and and just to to have a a constructive voice on it i think is really

00:53:10.800 important so uh it's it's been great talking to you thank you thank you very much for having me

00:53:17.460 on i've been looking forward to it and the one question we always finish our interviews with

00:53:22.040 is always the same which is what is the one thing we're not talking about but we really should be

00:53:26.260 So I already mentioned diet. So I'm going to just talk about this isn't like the one thing.

00:53:32.180 I don't have that. But this is something that I discovered recently that's really pissing me off.

00:53:38.540 Turns out my best friend called me yesterday and she was about to have a baby. And she goes,

00:53:44.300 I have to wear a mask while giving birth in a private room. And I said, there's no fucking way

00:53:51.260 that that's a thing turns out it's a thing so in canada in a lot of hospitals in the u.s right now

00:53:57.620 i don't know what australia is like i don't know what europe is like but i'll bet you the uk is bad

00:54:03.340 um when you're giving birth you are seriously pressured into wearing a mask the whole time

00:54:08.920 and when you're told when you go you know i don't i'm not comfortable doing that because

00:54:13.640 giving birth is actually really hard um you're told that you're not keeping the people around

00:54:19.380 you safe and that pisses me off because I had a kid and I can't admit and that's not cool like

00:54:26.740 that's I would say that's verging on against human rights especially um if you've been tested

00:54:33.000 negative and you still have to wear a mask while giving birth so I'm about to make a big stink

00:54:37.940 about that because that's really not cool and I'm concerned that when all of this ends I don't know

00:54:46.340 what masks and when masks and hospitals are going to end right and currently if you test negative

00:54:53.160 or if you've been vaccinated you still have to wear a mask giving birth in hospitals in Canada

00:54:58.600 um and I think that's like I don't even want to be part of a society that makes women do that

00:55:05.520 so that's what I think we should be talking about now I don't know if it's the big thing but

00:55:09.800 it's not cool just as an extension to that and look this is just an outsider's point of view

00:55:16.160 but canada seems to be going nuts at the moment is that correct

00:55:19.160 yes i would say it's correct i would say it's correct i mean we're in on a mandated stay at

00:55:28.380 home and stay at home order and it's i mean the uk is crazy too but yeah but yeah it's not it's

00:55:36.260 not it's not good here you're not allowed to see family you have to wear a mask giving birth i

00:55:41.200 I mean, right now you don't have to, you don't have to wear a mask outside, like to give our

00:55:46.300 premier some credit. He's, he, he is slightly conservative. So I think the pressure is coming

00:55:55.440 down on him to do these things, but I mean, a mandated lockdown. Yeah. I would say Canada's

00:56:02.440 not, not doing so hot, but I don't know where is doing hot right now. I'd like to go there,

00:56:09.820 wherever that is yeah we'd like to go there when we find out as well but i i think actually you

00:56:15.840 probably meant on more than just lockdowns as well because we've seen a large uptick in canadian

00:56:21.820 viewers of our show uh really yeah so we're sort of starting to think well maybe canada you know

00:56:28.420 a lot of people in canada suddenly realizing the impact of you know all the stuff we've we've been

00:56:33.660 talking about social justice all this woke stuff uh it seems like that there's a big increase in

00:56:40.080 awareness in canada over these things and you've got the first transracial premier as well which

00:56:44.260 is great news do we i didn't catch in what what is this like i don't even pay like i pay attention

00:56:53.000 i pay attention to the states and whatever happens there we just do five years later

00:56:58.960 yeah we do the same thing here yeah you guys yeah yay so you can just slowly watch things

00:57:04.920 crumbling from afar oh god that's gonna get to us yeah um so it's way worse than it was in 2016

00:57:13.160 here oh my god my um my husband and my dad walked by a playground the other day

00:57:19.840 and it said this is so creepy i'm not even going to get it exactly right but i'll get part of it

00:57:25.680 it said, play fair, play inclusively.

00:57:30.300 That was in the playground.

00:57:31.720 And it's like, that is so dystopian.

00:57:36.340 It's so creepy.

00:57:37.620 So yeah, we're definitely,

00:57:39.240 we're definitely going in the right direction.

00:57:42.480 Well, on that happy note, Michela,

00:57:44.320 it's been an absolute pleasure speaking with you.

00:57:46.720 Where should people check out your work?

00:57:48.340 Your podcast is fantastic.

00:57:49.820 And you, although we, you know,

00:57:51.220 you and I and Frances talked about culture war stuff.

00:57:54.040 Actually, you talk about other stuff.

00:57:55.480 And I think it's, it'll be interesting to a lot of our fans.

00:57:58.620 So tell everybody about your podcast, where they can find you online as well.

00:58:02.040 So I have a podcast that people seem to listen to, which I can't really understand why, to

00:58:07.300 tell you the truth.

00:58:07.900 I don't really like podcasts.

00:58:09.260 But however, I usually do some sort of interview form and I don't, I just ask questions that

00:58:17.500 I, wow, I'm the, I'm the worst salesman for this thing.

00:58:20.760 I've had some pretty good guests on.

00:58:22.240 I had Jocko on, I had Dan Crenshaw, I had Matthew McConaughey.

00:58:26.740 Those were like big ones.

00:58:29.360 And we talk a little bit about health, but mostly we talk about politics, psychedelics,

00:58:36.420 culture, comedy.

00:58:38.500 Like it's pretty open.

00:58:40.320 I'm doing a Joe Rogan style interview, I would say, but it's short, an hour.

00:58:45.360 And that's at Michaela Peterson videos on YouTube.

00:58:49.140 you can just type in the Michaela Peterson podcast

00:58:51.220 and my name's M-I-K-H-A-I-L-A

00:58:55.140 and then I'm Michaela Peterson on Instagram

00:58:57.840 and Michaela Alexis on Twitter

00:59:01.640 because Michaela Peterson is too long.

00:59:05.100 Well, that was the most uncomfortable self-plug

00:59:07.860 we've ever had in the history of this show.

00:59:09.760 I'm very British.

00:59:11.260 That was so British.

00:59:12.940 I mean, I've got this podcast.

00:59:14.060 I don't even know how to podcast and why am I even promoting it?

00:59:16.300 Anyway, anyway, let's just promote it.

00:59:17.760 Oh, I feel so bad inside.

00:59:19.420 Thank you.

00:59:20.120 It makes them so happy.

00:59:21.060 Look up, please, dude.

00:59:21.820 That's it.

00:59:22.340 That's what being British is.

00:59:24.980 Yeah, well, yeah, I might have that too far.

00:59:29.640 I've always been bad at that,

00:59:31.180 but people do seem to watch the podcast.

00:59:34.240 No, it's brilliant.

00:59:35.240 That's as good as I've got.

00:59:36.940 Not only is it a good podcast,

00:59:38.320 you do get some very interesting guests on.

00:59:40.400 So thanks very much,

00:59:41.400 and thank you guys for watching.

00:59:42.680 We will see you very soon

00:59:44.220 with another brilliant interview like this one

00:59:46.040 or a live stream.

00:59:47.120 all of them go out

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00:59:49.340 take care and see you soon

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TRIGGERnometry - February 07, 2021

＂Don't Let the Unfairness of Life Make You a Victim＂ - Mikhaila Peterson

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