TRIGGERnometry - End of Year Review 2024 with Andrew Doyle and Leo Kearse

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00:00:58.000 And we will have a general election on the 4th of July.

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00:03:00.180 One of the first things that happened in the video we just played is the stuff that happened on American universities in response to October 7th, which is the Claudine Gay long running saga.

00:03:12.540 And I feel that one of the reasons that's important is that's when this whole woke thing began to unravel because it really hit the mainstream.

00:03:21.580 And a lot of people who'd never realized it was really going on suddenly woke up.

00:03:25.120 Well, this whole thing of like sort of abolishing whiteness and decolonialism, this is, you know, this has been spoken about in universities for years.

00:03:32.740 We've had this Harvard develop this critical race theory and everybody was fine when it was targeted against white people. 0.96

00:03:40.120 And then we actually saw, you know, manifesting in reality in Israel where they went across and they killed who the woke left considered to be, you know, white European settlers, AKA Israelis. 0.71

00:03:52.860 So then we could see, you know, professors and students turn around and say like, well, what did you think decolonialism was going to look like?

00:04:01.020 And then people were like, oh, that's what all this stuff is.

00:04:04.180 It's not just like, you know, having more black people in adverts or something. 0.99

00:04:07.000 It's going in and like killing people like that. 0.95

00:04:09.320 So I think it woke a lot of people up to the realities of critical race theory.

00:04:12.480 It was very interesting to see because it wasn't just Claudine Gay, was it?

00:04:14.900 It was the three sort of heads of Ivy League universities being grilled about their free speech stance.

00:04:19.940 They tried to use the free speech defense effectively because they were asked the question, you know, is it ever OK to call for the genocide of Jews on campus?

00:04:27.500 That question should always be responsible.

00:04:28.820 You should always respond no.

00:04:29.660 No, no, no, no.

00:04:32.060 Well, it depends what they've done.

00:04:33.480 It's a good point.

00:04:34.320 What if you're in Hamburg in 1939?

00:04:37.340 OK, well, let's not complicate this too much.

00:04:38.780 What I was thinking was the fact that they would say, because if they'd have said, if they'd always had a free speech stance and they'd always said, you can say the worst things on campus because, but they haven't.

00:04:48.160 What they've said is if you exercise any kind of microaggression, we'll make your life hell and kick you out and put you through all sort of tribunals and stuff.

00:04:55.860 But if you call for genocide against Jews, that's OK. 1.00

00:04:59.140 So it was completely exposed.

00:05:01.720 And then, by the way, she got caught as a plagiarist, which is kind of amazing because when Claudine Gay, when someone cleverly, I think it was Christopher Rufo, looked through her thesis, her doctoral thesis and found out she'd ripped off a lot of it.

00:05:13.600 And then you had all these articles saying that plagiarism is the new weapon of the alt-right to attack people.

00:05:22.540 No, it's just she was ripping off people's work. 1.00

00:05:24.780 I mean, surely, you know, that's really racist is if you say that black people can't plagiarize. 0.90

00:05:29.140 Yeah.

00:05:29.300 You know, it's bizarre.

00:05:30.340 I mean, to be honest, you should have plagiarized better.

00:05:32.340 I mean, you change a few words so that then Christopher Rufo can't come along and do a, you know, a search for certain sentences.

00:05:37.940 It's happening a lot now because of AI.

00:05:39.480 When they wrote these theses, they thought no one's going to check these obscure texts.

00:05:42.940 And now we've got these major search engines that can find everything straight away.

00:05:46.200 I reckon loads of people are going to get done with this.

00:05:48.360 Really?

00:05:48.780 Yeah.

00:05:49.300 I mean, it's because, you know, writing a thesis is hard.

00:05:52.580 I did one.

00:05:53.140 You know, I didn't plagiarize.

00:05:54.760 It wouldn't have crossed my mind to do so.

00:05:56.140 But yeah, a lot of people, they just rip whole passages off it.

00:05:58.680 But it also points to how worthless academia is now.

00:06:01.780 No offense, Andrew.

00:06:03.280 No, it is.

00:06:04.180 It absolutely is.

00:06:05.080 So much of this stuff is just, you know, just a sort of self-perpetuating pyramid scheme of students taking out loans to pay these professors to get a worthless certificate that says they're now qualified and, you know,

00:06:15.960 being a victim and crying about it.

00:06:18.320 So, you know, there's nobody.

00:06:19.680 They're not contributing to the world.

00:06:22.640 They're not building anything.

00:06:23.760 Nobody's getting skilled to do anything real.

00:06:25.640 Well, isn't it a good thing then that Harvard and these sort of Ivy League universities are basically not trusted anymore?

00:06:30.220 Because they're not actually interested in the pursuit of truth or knowledge anymore.

00:06:34.100 They're like madrassas.

00:06:35.500 They're just ideological factories to produce a certain way of thinking.

00:06:38.780 And it's about time that they got taken down.

00:06:40.460 I think it's great that new universities are cropping up and new institutions are actually going to teach people,

00:06:45.060 will give people kind of actual classical liberal education because that's what people really, really want.

00:06:49.140 They don't want this anymore.

00:06:50.320 I'm glad that they're failing.

00:06:51.260 I think they should all fail.

00:06:52.180 Yeah, the Dumfries and Galloway College of Technology is finally going to have its moment in the sun.

00:06:56.780 What do you mean?

00:06:58.000 It's in Scotland.

00:06:58.960 It's never going to have its moment in the sun.

00:07:02.480 What did you study?

00:07:03.540 I studied, I did an HNC in media.

00:07:06.920 I don't even know, like higher national certificate.

00:07:08.820 Can you see the disgust on Andrew?

00:07:10.220 What's that?

00:07:12.020 I've never heard of an HNC.

00:07:13.420 This is too low.

00:07:14.240 This is like you get them for hairdressing and stuff.

00:07:16.920 Oh, right.

00:07:18.040 But basically it was either go to sixth, like do sixth year and you don't get any money

00:07:22.340 or you go to the college and you get like a grant and all this money for going.

00:07:26.620 So we got money.

00:07:28.100 We got money to go to school.

00:07:29.380 I didn't mean to sound snobbish, by the way.

00:07:30.860 No, I got a full grant when I was going to university.

00:07:32.780 By the way, can I just say that was very funny because you were talking about how, you know,

00:07:37.700 the Ivy Leagues are no longer fit for purpose.

00:07:40.180 They've become madrasses.

00:07:41.280 We need new universities.

00:07:42.960 Leo's talking about a technical college. 0.93

00:07:44.640 You went, oh my God, that's disgusting. 0.81

00:07:46.560 Well, yeah.

00:07:47.520 Yeah, I don't mean to sound like that.

00:07:49.180 You know, but he just came out naturally.

00:07:50.860 It did.

00:07:51.600 Maybe that's, you know.

00:07:52.660 But it's funny, the attitude to academia has changed because I mean, my dad, my dad was

00:07:55.960 a gunsmith.

00:07:56.640 So he did like, you know, properly skilled stuff with his hands, you know, pretty well paid or whatever,

00:08:00.840 you know, for a tradesman.

00:08:02.660 And he was always like that.

00:08:04.220 No, no, no.

00:08:04.760 You're not going to, because I'll be like, oh, teach me to make guns.

00:08:06.960 He'll be like, no, no, you're going to go to university.

00:08:09.240 You're going to get, you're going to get a liberal arts degree at some, you know, mid-ranking

00:08:14.160 university.

00:08:14.640 And then, oh, the world will be your oyster. 0.89

00:08:16.600 And then I got that degree and it was absolutely useless.

00:08:18.840 I mean, to be fair, I did a degree in Renaissance poetry.

00:08:22.080 And I haven't really used it as much as, I mean, if you want me to scan a sonnet or something,

00:08:27.300 I can do that.

00:08:28.140 But like, no, we don't.

00:08:29.720 No, no one does.

00:08:30.840 That's the problem.

00:08:31.560 It's, you know, you end up writing a book that no one's ever going to read.

00:08:34.700 Like, it's a bit depressing.

00:08:35.960 It's a bit dispiriting.

00:08:37.020 But on the other hand, you know, I think we do have to do something about higher education. 0.98

00:08:40.100 I think it is basically fucked at this point. 0.86

00:08:42.500 And a lot of people do end up going to universities that don't need to. 0.99

00:08:45.700 Again, I'll sound really snobbish here, but it's actually the reverse. 1.00

00:08:48.720 A lot of people are just really stupid. 1.00

00:08:50.820 No, it's not that. 1.00

00:08:52.480 Well, it is that.

00:08:53.260 But it's also that we've had successive governments who want to prove their worth and their success in the educational field by effectively encouraging more and more people to go to university.

00:09:02.640 But you can earn so much more by doing an apprenticeship or doing various things.

00:09:06.340 And also, some people are good at academia.

00:09:08.860 Some people are good at other things.

00:09:10.560 Like, you wouldn't put me in a football squad and say, why don't you just do that?

00:09:13.820 You know, do what you're good at.

00:09:15.940 And there's no shame in that.

00:09:17.120 I don't.

00:09:17.240 Because Tony Blair had this plan to get, like, 50% of the population to university.

00:09:21.800 But there's no way 50% of the population are in the top 5% academically.

00:09:27.940 The maths don't work.

00:09:29.300 I know that.

00:09:29.820 Do you think that's what it should be?

00:09:30.180 I know that because I studied maths at university. 0.97

00:09:32.660 But it's ridiculous. 1.00

00:09:34.040 I remember when I went to university, I was like, man, all these people are dumb. 1.00

00:09:37.540 And then I was like, shit, does that mean I'm dumb as well? 1.00

00:09:40.220 It was how I found out. 0.99

00:09:41.280 You know, there was a very interesting interview on Newsnight with Jeremy Paxman a few, back

00:09:49.500 when Blair announced it.

00:09:51.360 And Paxman said to him, you say 50% of, you want 50% of young people to go to university.

00:09:57.240 Blair goes, yes.

00:09:57.820 He goes, why not 49%?

00:10:00.880 Why not 51?

00:10:01.960 Why not 48?

00:10:03.040 Why 50?

00:10:03.880 He just didn't have an answer for it because 50 is something that sticks in people's minds

00:10:07.660 and it sounds good.

00:10:08.620 But there's actually no real basis for wanting 50% of people to go to university.

00:10:12.780 Well, I think if they look at, you know, people who went to university in the 60s, when, you

00:10:16.920 know, a much smaller percentage of people going to university, they'd be like, well, look

00:10:20.260 at the uplift in their career prospects and how much they earn.

00:10:25.560 But then it doesn't work that, you know, you scale up the numbers and they all earn more

00:10:30.140 as well.

00:10:30.760 Like those numbers going to university would have been smarter to start off with.

00:10:34.540 Yeah, absolutely.

00:10:35.340 And, but the good news is, is that Claudine Gay has not been fired.

00:10:39.600 She is.

00:10:40.360 I thought she'd gone.

00:10:41.220 No.

00:10:41.620 She's still making a million dollars a year, but I think she may have been suspended. 1.00

00:10:45.020 She's been suspended on full pay.

00:10:46.320 It's 950,000.

00:10:47.440 Whoa.

00:10:48.700 It's a good job if you can get it.

00:10:49.800 That's not bad at all.

00:10:50.500 Speaking of people, this is a very, very shitty segue, but speaking of people who've

00:10:54.860 resigned, Hamza Youssef resigned during the course of this year, which I think is cause

00:10:58.160 for celebration for comedians everywhere, because he actually passed a law that criminalized

00:11:05.300 public performance.

00:11:06.320 Am I getting this right?

00:11:06.920 Well, it originated with him when he was justice secretary.

00:11:09.440 Right.

00:11:09.720 So before he became first minister.

00:11:11.340 So he'd sort of formulated this new hate speech plan.

00:11:14.320 And the idea was that he wanted to abolish the blasphemy laws that existed in Scotland

00:11:17.740 still.

00:11:18.620 Well, you know, bear in mind, blasphemy laws that were only eventually repealed in the

00:11:21.380 England and Wales, I think 2008.

00:11:22.940 And then this new hate speech bill was meant to get rid of all of that, but then effectively

00:11:30.180 replace it with a new blasphemy law.

00:11:31.880 And he introduced various clauses, things like the public performance of a play, if it

00:11:38.860 could be said to have stirred up hatred, would violate this idea.

00:11:42.680 He also said that you could be prosecuted for hateful things you said within the privacy

00:11:46.340 of your own home.

00:11:47.440 And in the original draft of the bill that he put up, it actually said that intention doesn't

00:11:52.040 matter.

00:11:52.360 It was only when lots of police and solicitors and clergymen and all sorts of people said,

00:11:57.920 hang on a minute, this is a problem.

00:11:59.140 I mean, some priests were saying, you know, this would criminalize the Bible, which I don't

00:12:02.120 think Hamza Yusuf would have a problem with, to be honest.

00:12:04.600 He eventually watered it down.

00:12:06.880 But you still ended up with this hate speech bill coming through on 1st of April, whereby

00:12:11.620 the police were obliged to investigate all complaints of hateful speech or hateful conduct.

00:12:18.380 So most of the complaints, the number one person who was complained about was Hamza Yusuf. 0.96

00:12:21.900 Because he'd done a big speech about how evil and terrible white people were. 0.95

00:12:25.640 So of course it backfired eventually. 0.99

00:12:27.460 It was such a crazy idea.

00:12:29.420 Yeah.

00:12:29.800 And all these laws that are coming through to criminalize speech.

00:12:33.060 I mean, to have a criminal law, a sort of core tenet in the law is it's got to be sort

00:12:36.980 of easy to understand.

00:12:38.380 And the law should be hard to break.

00:12:40.380 You can sort of accidentally steal a car, for example.

00:12:43.820 So these laws are very easy to accidentally break.

00:12:47.200 You can accidentally do a tweet and somebody perceives it as offensive.

00:12:51.380 And then all of a sudden you can have broken the law.

00:12:54.800 So it's this sort of vagueness.

00:12:58.100 It's a lot like the laws they had under communists.

00:13:01.400 In the Soviet Union, communist systems have laws that anybody could be perceived to have

00:13:06.560 broken.

00:13:07.040 And everybody, as a result, lives in fear of.

00:13:09.480 And then the regime can just pick and choose who's broken them.

00:13:12.920 It's really scary because we took Comedy Unleashed up to Scotland on April the 1st to

00:13:18.220 test the law because the Herald had run a front cover article saying that the police

00:13:22.320 had been trained in Scotland in advance of the April the 1st deadline to deal with problematic

00:13:27.780 jokes.

00:13:28.580 So they'd actually had training sessions about this.

00:13:30.400 So we tested it and went up there on April the 1st.

00:13:32.520 But I remember the week before, I'd had all these messages from people saying, don't take

00:13:36.780 your phone, don't take your computer because the police might seize it.

00:13:40.420 I even changed the setting on my phone so that it didn't open with my face so they couldn't 0.96

00:13:44.560 just hold it up to my face.

00:13:45.700 So they had to put it like I'm behaving like a gangster because I'm worried about this

00:13:49.920 this thing.

00:13:50.560 But it never happened in the end.

00:13:52.140 My favorite thing, though, about the hate speech law is that the Scottish government

00:13:54.660 wasn't known.

00:13:55.160 The police created a mascot for it.

00:13:58.660 The hate monster.

00:14:00.840 The hate monster.

00:14:01.640 Big fluffy orange thing. 0.65

00:14:02.840 And he did this video, I think it's still online, where he says, I'm the hate monster.

00:14:08.840 And he said something like, I'm inside all of you, which sounds a bit rapey, to be honest, 0.88

00:14:13.040 but I'm inside all of you and I can emerge at any point.

00:14:16.820 Yeah.

00:14:17.340 That was what it was.

00:14:17.760 So everybody has to live in fear and suppress their feelings and suppress what they're saying,

00:14:21.720 which isn't a good way for a liberal tolerant society to be at all.

00:14:25.720 Are we still a liberal tolerant society?

00:14:27.240 No, not at all.

00:14:27.940 Not in Scotland.

00:14:28.540 It doesn't feel that way.

00:14:28.980 Well, yeah, my favorite thing about the whole hate crime thing was because I stood for election

00:14:32.320 against Hamza Yusuf back in like 2020 or 2021.

00:14:37.180 And to raise awareness of the hate crime act that was going through Parliament and all

00:14:44.800 the sort of lefty comedians, especially in Scotland, were like, oh, what are you worried

00:14:48.200 about, Leo? 0.99

00:14:48.760 Oh, this is ridiculous. 0.95

00:14:49.620 You really think they're going to come after comedians? 1.00

00:14:51.860 You should just try not being bigoted and transphobic and racist and all the rest of it.

00:14:55.760 And, you know, I was like, oh, you know, fine, whatever.

00:14:58.160 You know, you don't think this is a threat to comedy?

00:15:00.360 Then, like, you know, a few years on, who are the people that they're coming after with

00:15:03.840 these hate crime laws?

00:15:05.160 They came after Jerry Sadowitz.

00:15:06.740 He got, like, you know, cancelled from the Edinburgh Fringe.

00:15:09.200 They came after Reginald D. Hunter.

00:15:10.960 They're coming after Paul Curry.

00:15:12.340 So they're coming after all the comedians on the left.

00:15:15.240 The ones on the left are suddenly finding out that some of their attitudes, some of the

00:15:19.800 things they say about Israel or whatever turn out to be hateful. 0.99

00:15:22.660 Suddenly, I find myself giving less of a shit. 0.99

00:15:24.940 Well, Hamza Yusuf's clause about the public performance of a play, there was a discussion 0.98

00:15:32.240 about whether that would affect the Edinburgh Fringe, whether a play could classify as comedians.

00:15:38.820 And I think it definitely has done.

00:15:41.080 But, you know, as far as I'm aware, it seems to have not worked.

00:15:44.140 It seems to have backfired, hasn't it?

00:15:45.320 Well, for the moment, until somebody goes across the tripwire and sets it off.

00:15:53.020 I mean, look at what happened with Count Dankula, however many years ago.

00:15:57.540 I mean, let's be fair, they've got form.

00:15:59.800 But maybe it's because maybe it will decline because of the decline of the SNP.

00:16:04.460 Because there's something about the SNP that they have authoritarianism baked into their DNA.

00:16:09.560 I mean, they've always had this thing about, they introduced that named person scheme all

00:16:14.020 those years ago where they wanted every citizen in Scotland to have a, every child born in

00:16:18.520 Scotland to have a state guardian because they didn't trust the parents.

00:16:22.280 They had stuff like that.

00:16:22.740 I mean, they are Scottish.

00:16:23.880 Well, there is that.

00:16:24.640 Yeah, that's a fair point.

00:16:25.380 But then they introduced like minimum pricing for alcohol, ban on two for one pizzas.

00:16:29.420 They want to control how people, they don't want people to be obese or eat.

00:16:32.680 No wonder they lost the election.

00:16:34.680 They banned two for one pizzas in Scotland.

00:16:37.240 You talk about nanny state, but there is something about them.

00:16:39.240 Yeah.

00:16:39.760 And they just want to control everything.

00:16:40.900 And that legislation was rolled back.

00:16:42.440 So the named person's act was rolled back and had other sort of hate speech legislation,

00:16:47.200 the offensive songs at football act.

00:16:49.040 That's not what it was called, but that was basically what it was for.

00:16:51.140 So that got rolled back as well.

00:16:52.280 But the hate, the hate crime act hasn't been cancelled yet.

00:16:55.800 But I mean, talking to Helen Dale, so she's a liar and she says, you know, because of

00:16:59.980 the sort of the mockery of it, because it was such a car crash when it was launched and

00:17:05.180 everybody made fun of it, there aren't going to be any, any judges that are going to be

00:17:09.220 willing to implement it.

00:17:10.940 They're going to be scared of implementing it.

00:17:12.940 So I think comedy's had an effect.

00:17:14.220 Comedy's had an effect in that case.

00:17:16.020 But don't you think though, that there is this trend, not just in Scotland, but across

00:17:19.300 Europe and across countries more broadly to introduce more and more hate speech laws,

00:17:23.820 because the Scottish hate speech law, in a sense, is not as bad as the Irish hate speech

00:17:28.560 law, which they have scotched, but is going to come back at some point.

00:17:31.280 Because they actually introduced in Ireland, when they were drafting the bill, the wording

00:17:35.960 of the bill defined hatred as hatred.

00:17:39.380 It actually said hatred is hatred against a certain group.

00:17:43.500 And I was like, well, yeah, so what this is a circular definition.

00:17:45.440 There's no way that this can operate.

00:17:47.460 And this is wide open to exploitation.

00:17:49.540 So any future government could use it, could use that kind of legislation to criminalize

00:17:53.800 whatever the hell they wanted.

00:17:55.120 Scotland, same thing.

00:17:56.100 I'm sure the Labour government would love to introduce a similar kind of thing.

00:17:59.660 We've had, what's her face, Yvette Cooper has said she wants to bring back non-crime hate 0.96

00:18:04.820 incidents.

00:18:05.420 She wants to make them more extreme.

00:18:08.540 So, you know, this is a trend.

00:18:09.820 But it's not just in the UK.

00:18:12.720 I mean, the EU has one of these bills, Australia, Canada, lots and lots of places around the

00:18:18.620 world.

00:18:19.080 And one of the things, you know, you spend some time in America, as have we.

00:18:22.440 One of the things that really strikes me is how crazy this is.

00:18:27.040 Like, we sit and like joke about it and take the piss and whatever. 1.00

00:18:30.720 When you go to America and you see a society that doesn't have any of this shit. 0.99

00:18:35.500 It's such a shock to go, oh, wait, this is what freedom actually looks like. 1.00

00:18:40.940 And they, like Americans on the left as well, think we're crazy.

00:18:43.320 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:18:44.080 Because they've got their First Amendment and they just think, why would anyone tolerate?

00:18:47.720 Like, it's weird that we even have debates over in this country about this stuff.

00:18:52.120 And for me, one of the actual real bellweathers for this is comedians.

00:18:56.700 Like, you talk to comedians in America about what happens in this country.

00:19:01.000 They literally look at me like I'm mad, like I'm making this up.

00:19:05.660 The idea that you would criminalise and arrest people and take them to court for a joke is

00:19:13.320 so bizarre.

00:19:14.480 It's completely outside the realms of possibility.

00:19:17.540 And it's not even, like, getting down to the real sort of essential root of what these

00:19:22.640 laws are based on.

00:19:23.380 They're based on feelings.

00:19:24.540 So you're criminalising people for feelings.

00:19:26.020 It's a hate crime law.

00:19:27.360 So the person's got to feel hatred.

00:19:29.040 I mean, the real sort of Cartesian essentialism.

00:19:31.480 It's impossible to know what somebody's genuinely feeling unless they honestly tell you, because

00:19:35.660 a feeling is something that only that person has.

00:19:37.400 So you can't, you can't criminalise, you can't say that, what they're trying to do is they're

00:19:40.780 trying to pin feelings.

00:19:42.040 They're saying this person is doing this out of hatred.

00:19:44.300 They could be doing that thing because of, you know, concern for their country, out of

00:19:48.280 fear for their children.

00:19:49.600 There's lots of reasons they could be doing it.

00:19:51.880 So to say that, you know, this person's doing it, most comedians tell jokes because they

00:19:55.280 want people to laugh, which is a sort of, it's quite a giving thing.

00:19:58.360 It's not, it's not hatred.

00:19:59.500 No, no comedians are really doing things out of hatred because hatred isn't, it doesn't

00:20:02.940 inspire laughter.

00:20:04.400 Yeah, exactly.

00:20:05.260 But also why is hatred a problem in of itself?

00:20:09.740 Insofar as, haven't we sort of evolved to, to, to have that emotion from time to time?

00:20:16.420 You know, if you're going to criminalise negative emotions, why not envy?

00:20:20.660 Horniness. 0.95

00:20:21.440 Horniness. 0.95

00:20:22.640 Caprice.

00:20:23.080 Well, right, we should be criminalising behaviour, not emotions.

00:20:26.800 Yeah, but, but this idea that, you know, the police should be auditing your emotions, should

00:20:30.220 be saying hatred is a problem in of itself.

00:20:32.420 Well, no, it's the action that's the problem.

00:20:34.160 Sure.

00:20:34.280 But I think, you know, guys, the truth of this is, at least in my opinion, what I've

00:20:39.220 been thinking about is one of the reasons that this is happening is, of course, social 0.98

00:20:43.000 media amplifies, you know, the moron in the corner of the pub that used to say all the 1.00

00:20:47.080 horrible shit that nobody cared about now gets amplified. 1.00

00:20:50.400 But I think there's another truth here, which is that as our society increasingly becomes 0.99

00:20:56.920 unhappy at the things that are happening to it, the need to suppress expressions of dissent

00:21:02.920 grows more and more.

00:21:04.660 And so if you have tens of thousands of people coming illegally on small boats and the government

00:21:10.300 won't do anything about it and people are saying things about it, well, you've got to,

00:21:14.660 you've got to jump on that.

00:21:15.780 If you have 900,000 people net coming legally into the country, which no one voted for. 0.96

00:21:21.640 And in fact, people voted against time and time and time again.

00:21:25.200 Again, when they speak up about it, if you're not going to solve the problem, well, then

00:21:29.800 you need to crack down on the speech.

00:21:31.760 That's interesting.

00:21:32.580 So you're saying that effectively the hate speech laws are a kind of ruse to stifle dissent.

00:21:39.220 Of course.

00:21:39.660 And I think it was James Orr, who I think we all love and respect.

00:21:44.820 He said in an essay that he wrote on my sub stack in a debate that dying societies accumulate

00:21:50.820 laws like dying men accumulate medicines.

00:21:54.600 And this is kind of what I see.

00:21:57.040 You know, a society that finds itself in a position where it won't fix the things that

00:22:01.940 people keep voting for us to fix.

00:22:04.160 Yeah.

00:22:04.220 Well, let's at least fix the fact that they're saying something about it.

00:22:07.100 So it could, I mean, I'm sure that's an element to it, but I think there is also another element,

00:22:12.780 which is that I do genuinely believe that a lot of people in authority have bought into

00:22:17.320 this myth that words create violence.

00:22:20.840 They genuinely do believe that the things that, I mean, this was Mary Whitehouse's view

00:22:25.720 back in the 60s.

00:22:26.860 She launched that, you know, clean up TV campaign. 0.98

00:22:29.860 She genuinely believed that if you put something out there on TV, the masses would watch it

00:22:34.220 and would react and behave as they were told to by the TV.

00:22:37.780 Now, that's the view that the current, most politicians believe that people act on cue on

00:22:45.700 the basis of social media posts.

00:22:47.280 But we know it's not true because there've been decades of research into media effects

00:22:51.160 theory.

00:22:51.700 We know that never happens.

00:22:52.840 We know there's no causal link between what someone reads online or sees in popular culture

00:22:57.320 and how they behave.

00:22:58.960 So my question is, if this is unevidenced, if this thing isn't real and we know it's

00:23:04.080 not real, why do we keep having people standing up in government and making legislation on the

00:23:08.560 basis of something that isn't real?

00:23:09.840 Why do we have judges sentencing people to two years in prison for a tweet when there is

00:23:14.520 no evidence whatsoever that that tweet caused any crime?

00:23:17.120 Because they want to prevent people from expressing things that they don't want to be part of

00:23:22.600 the debate.

00:23:23.280 We're talking about the riots now.

00:23:24.860 Yeah.

00:23:25.520 Look, we've skipped ahead a little bit.

00:23:28.560 But actually, I think we should.

00:23:30.400 Look, what happened in the intermediate between the thing we started talking about and this

00:23:34.680 is Jeremy Corbyn got forced out of the Labour Party.

00:23:38.640 We can talk about that.

00:23:40.120 Rishi Sunak, the British Prime Minister, called an election.

00:23:44.560 Keir Starmer got elected in a landslide.

00:23:46.500 And almost immediately after that, we had this, we all have to be very careful, but

00:23:52.660 we had this attack in Southport in which a guy stabbed several children, killed three

00:23:59.380 of them, young girls.

00:24:01.200 And that sparked the riots that then happened.

00:24:04.320 And that's where you saw the type of suppression of speech that you guys are talking about.

00:24:08.900 Let's talk about that.

00:24:09.520 Well, the judges, firstly, Keir Starmer explicitly said that he was expecting harsh sentences.

00:24:14.680 There was a kind of signal to the judiciary.

00:24:17.520 There was definitely some sort of collusion between the government and the judiciary, which

00:24:19.940 should never happen anyway, where the government was basically dictating that we should have

00:24:23.300 draconian jail terms.

00:24:24.680 Which the judges then not only acted out, but were open about their motivations.

00:24:28.400 In court, the judges repeatedly said, I'm giving you the harshest possible sentence as a lesson

00:24:33.420 to other people, to prevent other people from doing it.

00:24:35.500 Bear in mind, there were some people who just put memes out, offensive comments.

00:24:39.180 To give a very specific example, which I think is one of the most egregious ones, there was

00:24:43.080 a mother of three, Lucy Connolly, who put out a tweet.

00:24:46.080 She got 31 months sentence, so she'll end up serving one and a half years, probably, in prison. 1.00

00:24:52.840 Now, the tweet was horrible, I think.

00:24:54.600 It was about going to burn down the hotels.

00:24:57.260 She was angry and upset about the Southport stabbing.

00:25:00.120 She deleted it with him.

00:25:01.260 I think the way she phrased it was like, you know, I don't care if they do these things.

00:25:05.080 It wasn't a direct sort of order or incitement.

00:25:08.040 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:08.420 But my point would be that even if she said, go and do it, the fact is that that tweet would

00:25:13.700 have not have caused violence.

00:25:14.920 We know that there's no evidence whatsoever that it would ever...

00:25:18.040 If someone burns down a hotel, that's their responsibility.

00:25:21.600 If you're going to mitigate their responsibility by saying, well, they read a nasty tweet, then

00:25:25.240 you're doing a big favour to the worst kind of thugs in society.

00:25:28.220 Why would you do that?

00:25:29.080 She was upset.

00:25:30.400 It was misjudged.

00:25:31.760 I don't like what she tweeted.

00:25:32.800 I thought it was awful.

00:25:33.760 I thought it was appalling.

00:25:34.760 And the solution to that is you just block it and say, I don't want to read that.

00:25:37.820 Not go to the police, get the woman thrown in prison. 0.67

00:25:40.480 I love this idea that there's, you know, violent criminals out there who are like, wait.

00:25:44.680 And, well, we've got to wait and see what this housewife says. 1.00

00:25:48.060 She's going to have half a bottle of white wine and then she's going to tweet something 0.98

00:25:50.480 and then we'll know what to do. 0.81

00:25:51.760 It's an absolute nonsense.

00:25:53.600 And also there's mitigating factors.

00:25:55.580 I can understand why her passions would be high.

00:25:58.200 She lost a child to a doctor from overseas who I believe there was some sort of, he hadn't

00:26:08.260 followed correct procedures.

00:26:09.500 So there was some sort of wrongdoing there.

00:26:12.540 So in her mind, she lost a child to mass immigration.

00:26:17.320 So for the judge not to sort of give any leniency, you know, to this, you know, poor woman who's

00:26:24.060 obviously suffering and, you know, tweeted and deleted in a moment of high, you know,

00:26:28.720 high temperature, I just, I couldn't believe it.

00:26:31.160 We've talked about this before.

00:26:32.440 And I know, I think we disagreed on a podcast a couple of years, a number of years ago about

00:26:36.980 this, about where does the threshold for incitement of violence lie?

00:26:40.560 And I really do believe the more I look into it, that we need to adopt a similar form of

00:26:47.060 legislation to what they have in America.

00:26:48.700 They have a thing called the Brandenburg test.

00:26:50.400 The Brandenburg test, that's based on a prosecution of a KKK leader, Clarence Brandenburg, I think

00:26:56.040 in the late 60s.

00:26:57.600 And that was overturned by the Supreme Court.

00:26:59.700 And they said, we're overturning this because the, he said basically that he wanted people

00:27:04.600 to commit acts of violence, but that there was no imminent threat.

00:27:07.400 So the Brandenburg test basically says it has to be intended to stir up violence.

00:27:12.100 There has to be an imminent likelihood and that it would happen imminently.

00:27:15.760 None of those would apply in the case of Lucy Connolly or some of the other people who were

00:27:19.740 sent to prison for memes.

00:27:21.580 There was a guy who just put a meme out.

00:27:23.160 Yeah.

00:27:23.940 Oh, the guy, the Sellafield worker.

00:27:25.940 He literally, there's three memes and they weren't even inflammatory.

00:27:29.920 They were just, they were just saying like one of them had a picture of sort of, you know,

00:27:33.260 Muslim looking guys getting off a boat and it said coming to a town near you.

00:27:36.480 And it's like, how is that even, you know, that's...

00:27:38.720 He was jailed for that.

00:27:39.800 He was jailed.

00:27:40.420 That would get you kicked out of most WhatsApp groups for not being racist enough.

00:27:44.200 That is, you know, there's no way that's even, you know, the foothills...

00:27:47.320 And what about, there's the guy, I can't remember his name.

00:27:50.820 There's a guy who's been found guilty already of wearing a Halloween costume that caused

00:27:54.780 offence.

00:27:56.160 And he's due to be sentenced, I think, in January, but he's already been found guilty.

00:27:59.400 So he will serve jail time.

00:28:00.760 What was the costume?

00:28:02.020 It was, he dressed up as the Manchester Arena bomber.

00:28:04.260 So he dressed, so he dressed up in like an Arabic outfit.

00:28:08.220 He had a rucksack with the word boom written on it now.

00:28:12.100 Of course, he's funny, he's laughing.

00:28:13.940 I mean, look, I understand that if you...

00:28:15.600 I'm surprised that's even a crime.

00:28:17.080 Diversity is our strength.

00:28:18.380 But there we go.

00:28:19.060 I mean, look, I get that if you lost someone in that, it's horrible.

00:28:22.460 No one thinks that that was...

00:28:23.940 I mean, people do think that was funny.

00:28:25.460 No, but...

00:28:25.860 I think that was funny.

00:28:26.680 Yeah, but you're laughing because it's... 0.99

00:28:28.880 It's ridiculous. 0.99

00:28:29.420 The whole point is ridiculous. 0.97

00:28:31.000 But it's Halloween. 0.89

00:28:32.100 It's the time of horror.

00:28:33.460 Yeah.

00:28:33.740 And the joke is, I'm going to dress in the most sick possible way.

00:28:37.400 Well, obviously.

00:28:37.740 Yeah.

00:28:37.960 Well, I don't know why I'm explaining this to you.

00:28:39.340 No.

00:28:39.760 We literally have Guy Fawkes on the bonfire.

00:28:42.800 He's a guy who committed a big terrorist or tried to commit a big terrorist atrocity. 0.98

00:28:46.620 Well, my point would be, I don't give a fuck about a guy dressing up as the Manchester 0.99

00:28:52.440 Arena bomber going to a Halloween party. 0.95

00:28:55.420 I'd much rather the police spent time preventing the next Manchester Arena bombing, please.

00:29:01.220 Yeah.

00:29:01.520 Rather than not intercepting the potential bomber because they didn't want to be seen as racist.

00:29:05.440 Which is what happened.

00:29:06.360 Well, that was a security guard who said that.

00:29:08.160 Yeah.

00:29:08.240 Yeah.

00:29:08.400 Yeah.

00:29:08.660 I think we've come to the point now where you see governments, and this is conservative 0.71

00:29:12.500 Labour governments, and they remind me of kind of crap football managers where they don't 0.93

00:29:16.460 know what to do anymore. 0.99

00:29:17.760 Yeah.

00:29:17.880 So they're just subbing people on, making these rules, and in order to be seen to do something.

00:29:23.860 Well, yeah. 0.98

00:29:24.440 The reality is they are completely, utterly incompetent. 0.99

00:29:27.980 They're spineless. 0.98

00:29:29.380 They don't know what to do.

00:29:31.400 They don't actually have the moral conviction or the courage to actually confront these problems

00:29:35.560 head on.

00:29:36.140 So what did they do? 1.00

00:29:37.560 They just bring in stupid laws so that it can kind of sometimes even more 1.00

00:29:42.500 mask what's actually happening. 1.00

00:29:44.380 Yeah.

00:29:44.480 This comedy podcast is working out really well.

00:29:47.140 The moment I start talking, they're like, this isn't comedy.

00:29:49.860 No, mate.

00:29:50.140 I started it.

00:29:51.220 But the reason it's hard to be funny about it is just it's so, so serious.

00:29:56.040 Yeah.

00:29:56.220 Well, okay.

00:29:56.820 But, I mean, to try and bring a flippant element to it.

00:29:59.560 I mean, the non-crime hate incidents are very, very funny insofar as some people have been,

00:30:05.160 you know, well, not prosecuted, but they've been recorded by the police for, there was

00:30:09.320 one for a line call in a tennis match that someone disagreed with.

00:30:13.080 There was one who was whistling the Bob the Builder theme tune got done for a non-crime

00:30:17.060 hate incidents.

00:30:17.900 What?

00:30:18.060 It was done in a racist way, apparently. 0.72

00:30:21.080 There was a dog that defecated on a lawn got a non-crime hate incident.

00:30:25.400 There was a child who...

00:30:26.360 Actually, do you know, I agree with that.

00:30:27.760 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:28.140 No, that's fair enough.

00:30:28.980 That's a lot.

00:30:29.540 If someone you kind of...

00:30:30.240 No.

00:30:30.640 So that's fine.

00:30:31.560 The other one.

00:30:32.200 Well, there was the kid who called someone in his class a retard got a non-crime hate

00:30:36.820 incident.

00:30:37.360 Somebody else got...

00:30:38.200 A kid got one for calling their classmates short.

00:30:40.880 Yes.

00:30:41.280 And smelling of fish.

00:30:42.340 Yeah.

00:30:42.520 And those are children, by the way.

00:30:45.540 An adult got one for giving someone an aggressive haircut.

00:30:49.200 Yep, yep.

00:30:49.820 So, but actually, there is something quite sinister about...

00:30:54.580 But there was a barber, though.

00:30:56.580 I mean, I don't understand if they'd gone up to somebody in the street and started cutting

00:30:59.580 their hair really aggressively.

00:31:00.320 That would be assault, wouldn't it? 0.99

00:31:02.380 I mean, have you ever had a really shit haircut and just looked at the barber and acted? 1.00

00:31:05.760 Look at my head. 0.99

00:31:06.980 We obviously both go at the same person, Francis.

00:31:10.140 Do you remember the guy from GB News?

00:31:12.520 A producer at GB News went to get his haircut and they were talking.

00:31:16.520 And because he mentioned he worked for GB News, the barber gave him a deliberately bad

00:31:20.560 haircut.

00:31:21.060 So it was shaved off half of the back of his head.

00:31:24.280 Really?

00:31:24.900 Yeah.

00:31:25.500 But what I wanted to say was, you were talking about laws and all these sort of draconian

00:31:29.600 laws being implemented.

00:31:30.380 There is an added dimension, an added problem, which I think is revealed by the existence

00:31:34.340 of non-crime hate incidents.

00:31:36.200 Not just that the police are...

00:31:37.760 I mean, what have they got?

00:31:38.660 Why are they investigating non-crime?

00:31:39.840 It doesn't make any sense anyway.

00:31:40.700 But I think it's because of the activist bodies that now control the quangos.

00:31:45.140 And one of the...

00:31:45.860 You know, you had the horrific murder of Stephen Lawrence back in the 90s.

00:31:48.880 You had the McPherson Report in 1999.

00:31:51.180 That's the first time you get this kind of...

00:31:53.340 In that document, it says you need to record racist incidents, even if they're not criminal.

00:31:58.220 So that's where the seeds begin.

00:31:59.780 But it's not until 2014 that the College of Policing said, yeah, we're going to start

00:32:04.040 investigating non-crime.

00:32:05.540 But I only read recently that the guy who was in charge of the College of Policing in

00:32:09.900 that year, the year before, had won Stonewall's top award.

00:32:14.100 He was the LGBT envoy to the government.

00:32:16.260 So in other words, it was an activist running the body that is responsible for training police

00:32:20.700 in England and Wales.

00:32:22.000 And that's why we now have a generation of police officers that are effectively activists,

00:32:25.400 or at least who think that their job is to behave like activists.

00:32:29.200 And it's not like the government have been able to do anything about it, because you've

00:32:32.340 had two home secretaries telling the College of Policing not to do this, and they were

00:32:37.020 ignored.

00:32:37.700 And in fact, since that happened, the College of Policing has recorded more non-crime than

00:32:42.360 it ever did before.

00:32:43.160 So in other words, the government can't even stop them.

00:32:45.240 So it's not...

00:32:45.680 Hold on, hold on.

00:32:45.980 We've got a new government now.

00:32:47.560 They're going to fix all this, surely.

00:32:48.720 Yeah, except that, as I say, Yvette Cooper wants to increase the recording of non-crime. 0.99

00:32:53.300 Well, what do we make of Starmer's first however many months?

00:32:57.080 Oh, what a brilliant job he's done.

00:32:59.760 It's like, we knew it was going to be bad, but this bad, this fast.

00:33:03.540 He's really done a sort of speed run into just oblivion.

00:33:07.780 He's got minus 49 approval ratings.

00:33:11.860 I didn't even know that was possible.

00:33:13.860 You know what I mean?

00:33:14.240 How low?

00:33:15.000 How low can he go?

00:33:16.020 Well, what has he done, though?

00:33:17.140 Because I'm a little bit wary of a knee-jerk kind of anti-Labor, anti-Starmer reaction. 0.99

00:33:22.500 Because let's be honest, gentlemen, the previous lot, fucking useless as well. 0.99

00:33:28.280 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:33:28.760 So I didn't...

00:33:29.640 I never had high expectations for Starmer, not because he's on the left, but just because

00:33:33.900 I don't have high expectations for any of them.

00:33:36.460 Can I just say, actually, the Conservatives were worse than Loosers because they were deliberately 1.00

00:33:40.420 disingenuous.

00:33:41.760 In the words of Kemi Badenoch, we talked right and governed left.

00:33:45.180 And that is awful, awful, whatever side of the political spectrum you're on, because

00:33:50.880 what she admitted was that the government lied again and again and again about their

00:33:57.300 intentions when it came to their policies.

00:33:59.300 And that is horrendous.

00:34:00.820 Yeah, and that's why I thought Starmer might be better.

00:34:02.780 I mean, he said a lot of the things you were saying were sort of like, you know, your dream

00:34:05.660 Tory leader.

00:34:06.380 And also, he had the advantage of being from the...

00:34:10.800 He's a bureaucrat.

00:34:11.760 He's from the left.

00:34:13.000 So there's this perception that he's going to be able to get the civil service to do all

00:34:16.640 the things that the Tories couldn't make them do.

00:34:19.440 Like Labour tended to...

00:34:20.380 When Tony Blair came in, he had a sort of root and branch reform and really made sure

00:34:24.720 all his ideas were propagated out and actually, you know, followed through by the civil service.

00:34:30.940 Whereas the Tories just, you know, points about at the top and don't get anything done.

00:34:36.820 So I thought Starmer was going to do something.

00:34:39.340 The point he lost me and the point he lost a lot of people in Britain, I think, is after

00:34:45.160 those girls were stabbed to death. 1.00

00:34:47.120 And I think we all, you know, kind of know what was the motivating factor behind it.

00:34:51.800 Now, after that happened, he could have come out and he could have unified the nation.

00:34:55.900 He could have said, look, I understand people are upset.

00:34:58.160 You know, we're going to deal with this issue, but we're also going to deal with the riots

00:35:04.940 and we're going to deal, you know, we're going to deal with both sides of it.

00:35:08.260 Instead, he just dealt, like you've been saying, he just dealt with the symptom, not

00:35:12.360 the underlying cause.

00:35:14.040 And, you know, that was so blatant.

00:35:15.220 To call everybody who was upset about these little girls getting stabbed to death, to 0.97

00:35:18.740 call them all like far right thugs is just a disgusting thing to say.

00:35:22.560 And also one of the points that I discussed with Chris Williamson when I was on his show,

00:35:26.840 I don't know if it will be out by the time, you know, Chris is from the North and he was

00:35:31.120 saying, when I looked around, I just saw a lot of very unhappy people who saw this as

00:35:36.180 an opportunity to go and smash things up and express their anger, which may not be about

00:35:41.060 that particular incident in some cases, but just people going out as they have done in

00:35:46.440 many occasions, including the previous riots when it was a whole different demographic

00:35:50.340 of people doing that.

00:35:52.620 And it's an expression of the fact that there's a lack of jobs.

00:35:55.520 There's a lack of lots of things.

00:35:57.900 And what I found particularly disgusting about what Starmer did is he made it a political

00:36:04.460 thing when I didn't think it was a political thing.

00:36:06.880 I really didn't.

00:36:07.760 I didn't think that the people who were on the streets were there to express a political

00:36:13.040 ideology or to support a political party.

00:36:16.620 They were there, some of them, to express their disgust of what had happened and a lot

00:36:21.900 of others just to smash it up because that's fun if you've got nothing else to do.

00:36:25.300 I don't think many of them had read the works of Evola and were genuinely far-right activists.

00:36:31.060 But there were some.

00:36:31.740 I mean, there were some who have previous convictions for far-right stuff.

00:36:34.960 And there were people who, you know, it would have been perfectly possible for Starmer

00:36:37.800 to say there is an element of opportunistic thuggery going on here.

00:36:41.960 But we also have to look at the underlying cause why so many people are upset.

00:36:46.840 I mean, he did it with Black Lives Matter.

00:36:48.400 He kneeled, for goodness sake.

00:36:49.880 And there were people smashing stuff up and hurting people.

00:36:53.180 You know, and that's not legit.

00:36:53.920 There were a lot of opportunistic thugs involved in the Black Lives Matter.

00:36:57.220 Like, why not?

00:36:57.920 Why couldn't he have just said it in that more moderate way?

00:37:01.060 Why do you think he didn't say it in a more moderate way?

00:37:03.360 I don't know.

00:37:04.020 I honestly don't know, actually.

00:37:05.420 I think he was afraid.

00:37:06.540 I think the country was really, I don't think we realised how close we came to a really serious

00:37:11.960 situation.

00:37:12.780 The police, you know, with thousands of people out in the streets all across the country

00:37:16.880 rioting.

00:37:18.360 And we're close to, you know, the army getting called in to control the situation.

00:37:22.200 It was spiralling out of control for the police.

00:37:24.040 And do you think the army would have turned their guns on their own brothers and uncles?

00:37:29.660 If, you know, I'm not saying, you know, the army are related to these people.

00:37:33.660 A lot of people in the British army come from the working class.

00:37:37.320 So do you think they would have done that to enforce the decisions of some guy who's

00:37:43.520 siding with, or is seen to be siding with, you know, this horrible ideology that keeps

00:37:51.700 causing the deaths of girls in the UK?

00:37:53.520 Do you think, though, it might be that he genuinely believes, like, I think a lot of people on the

00:37:56.820 left have swallowed this idea that we live in this far right hellhole.

00:38:00.660 They do believe that this is much more prominent than it is.

00:38:03.200 I mean, I think if you were to try and assemble the neo-Nazis in the UK, you could fill this

00:38:07.100 room, maybe.

00:38:07.900 Have you thought of it?

00:38:08.800 We have.

00:38:09.260 You've done it.

00:38:09.880 They've mostly been on your podcast.

00:38:11.380 Yeah, exactly.

00:38:12.480 I think what's very interesting is the card that Starmer used, whilst it was highly effective

00:38:18.000 at putting down the riots and cutting and stopping them, I think that's a card that can really

00:38:24.560 only be played once.

00:38:25.880 And I think what, and I take no joy in saying this, I think things could get potentially

00:38:33.840 very, very ugly in January when details from the court case start to be disseminated into

00:38:39.200 the public.

00:38:39.980 Well, I think what they've got on their side there is it's going to be January, so it's

00:38:42.720 going to be raining.

00:38:43.840 And there's a real difference.

00:38:45.320 People riot for two reasons.

00:38:47.360 They're hungry, which you see in the Middle East.

00:38:50.740 Every time there's the Arab Spring or whatever, the riots in Egypt or wherever it is are never

00:38:55.600 because people want regime change.

00:38:57.380 It's because the price of bread doubled.

00:38:58.500 And the other thing is, it's got to be hot outside, which is always hot outside in the

00:39:02.940 Middle East, which is why they riot so much. 1.00

00:39:04.760 But it's only hot outside quite rarely in the UK, which is why we're such a stable country.

00:39:10.000 But I mean, whilst what you say is true, but there have been, I'm sure there have...

00:39:15.660 I thought it was just a joke, man.

00:39:18.480 No, no, but riots are far more likely to happen in summer.

00:39:21.260 That is actually true.

00:39:22.280 And also as well, in August, because kids aren't at school and so, you know, they can

00:39:28.680 go and do whatever.

00:39:29.080 You're looking for an activity.

00:39:30.120 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:30.580 To get the kids to.

00:39:31.220 Exactly.

00:39:31.620 You need a summer holiday activity.

00:39:34.160 But also, I think as well, when it comes to an issue like this, it's been a powder keg

00:39:38.360 for so long.

00:39:39.360 And then you put on top the fact that if it turns out that this ideology is behind this

00:39:47.180 awful, awful murder, the people will then think, not only has it been a murder,

00:39:52.260 has this happened, not only have you lied to us, but you have also gaslit us for so

00:39:58.700 long.

00:39:59.140 Yeah.

00:39:59.520 And I think that people, people message me and they're really angry and it's trying

00:40:05.920 to calm people down.

00:40:07.000 And I'm kind of going, I'm kind of running out of reasons.

00:40:11.720 Well, it's also partly because people can see they're being lied to.

00:40:14.640 Yeah.

00:40:14.820 Like you said, the gas, I mean, we saw it a few weeks ago where, what was it?

00:40:17.920 Was it Surrey police put out this tweet or this post on X about, you know, you're going

00:40:22.740 to see some police with machine guns at the Christmas markets.

00:40:25.440 Don't worry.

00:40:26.160 We're not looking out for any particular threat.

00:40:28.460 We're just here to.

00:40:29.840 We just like carrying machine guns around.

00:40:31.900 We're just here to, you know, just, you know, just be there.

00:40:34.660 Just be festive.

00:40:35.240 If they could just say, look, there is a, you know, the MI5, 75% of the MI5's attention

00:40:41.460 is far-right Islamism, you know, fascist Islamism.

00:40:44.740 And that is a problem.

00:40:46.040 43,000 people at the moment on a watch list.

00:40:48.580 Right.

00:40:48.800 So, and just be honest, that's what's going on here.

00:40:51.460 We're not saying all Muslims behave like this.

00:40:53.400 We're saying that there are significant more jihadists now living here than they used to

00:40:57.860 be.

00:40:58.480 If there was a, you know, now we have the diversity barriers in front of all the Christmas markets

00:41:01.860 and stuff.

00:41:02.540 That's what they're calling them, right?

00:41:03.500 Why not just, they call them diversity barriers.

00:41:05.920 No, the police don't call them.

00:41:06.760 The police don't call them.

00:41:08.200 Everyone else calls them the diversity barriers.

00:41:10.300 Why not just be honest about why there are people with machine guns at Christmas?

00:41:14.380 I can tell you why you can't be honest.

00:41:16.320 Because if you're honest, then you have to do something about it.

00:41:19.340 And the police and the security services deserve an enormous amount of credit in this country

00:41:25.120 for the way that they actually deal with that threat.

00:41:28.180 Because we know from speaking to people who actually do know that they are preventing

00:41:33.240 attacks on an almost daily basis, right?

00:41:36.660 But the problem is that as long as you have the people in the country who want to do that,

00:41:42.700 this threat will continue.

00:41:44.640 Therefore, if you start being honest about it, then the next question a normal person is

00:41:49.240 going to ask is, why do we have 43,000 jihadists on the watch list? 0.99

00:41:53.580 And why aren't they back wherever the fuck they came from? 0.99

00:41:56.800 They're our greatest strength. 0.99

00:41:59.960 But yeah, and also-

00:42:01.080 But this is what I'm saying, right?

00:42:02.300 Yeah.

00:42:02.660 And also at the moment, the situation is going to get worse.

00:42:04.680 The circumstances that could lead to a large terror atrocity are going to get, is going

00:42:09.180 to be much more likely going forward.

00:42:11.160 MI5 has said they've got to move resources.

00:42:12.960 They've got to move focus to China, Russia, and Iran.

00:42:16.320 So foreign states, after 30 years of foreign states not really threatening us, we've now got 0.99

00:42:21.080 to look at them.

00:42:21.960 So we're going to be taking the eye off the threat from Islamism. 1.00

00:42:25.740 And also because MI5 is, you know, systemically woke now, they also have to pretend that there's

00:42:29.800 this mad, you know, massive threat from the far right.

00:42:32.960 So the eye is going to be taken off Islamic fundamentalism. 0.87

00:42:36.760 And I think that could mean it becomes much more likely.

00:42:40.180 And also you're going to have all these, you know, Syria and the whole sort of Idlib Emirates 0.91

00:42:44.400 sucked in all the jihadis from around the world, from Chechnya, from wherever, to fight

00:42:49.700 against, you know, Assad or fight against, you know, create this Islamist state.

00:42:56.840 With the fall of Assad, they've won. 0.87

00:42:59.360 So they're going to be looking for the next thing.

00:43:01.060 They're going to be returning to their homes.

00:43:02.840 They're going to be returning to, some of them will be returning to Europe. 0.97

00:43:06.060 So there could be, you know, more people with time in their hands to do stuff like that.

00:43:13.860 That's a great comedic moment.

00:43:16.400 Merry Christmas. 0.99

00:43:17.320 People are tuning in going, I thought this was fucking comedy, mate. 0.98

00:43:20.800 Well, speaking of something a little bit more lighthearted, did you guys follow what happened 0.97

00:43:24.880 at the Paris Olympics?

00:43:26.220 Yeah.

00:43:26.800 That was quite something, wasn't it?

00:43:29.200 And I'm not just talking about the bloke beating up the woman in the final, in the boxing

00:43:33.300 and that, but this opening ceremony, which I just thought was absolutely, it was, I sometimes

00:43:39.660 think these people are deliberately testing the waters to see if, they're almost like doing

00:43:44.980 a parody of themselves.

00:43:45.840 I think it's just laziness.

00:43:47.440 They're like, oh, we're going to be outrageous.

00:43:49.120 It's like the Jaguar advert people.

00:43:50.460 We're going to be new and outrageous and we're going to do the exact same thing that's been

00:43:53.920 done every week for the last 30 years.

00:43:56.000 Oh, we're going to, we're going to mock Christianity. 1.00

00:43:58.060 Oh, it's so daring.

00:43:58.840 Man, that was being done in like the 60s.

00:44:00.920 It wasn't even particularly edgy then.

00:44:02.860 It's like, you want to be edgy?

00:44:04.000 Why don't you mock a different religion? 0.97

00:44:06.220 You know what I mean?

00:44:06.680 Why don't you do that?

00:44:07.540 Don't you think they're goading though?

00:44:11.400 It's like, it seems deliberately goading to me is that because they know that they can

00:44:14.200 do this and they know that it annoys everyone and they know that it's naff as well.

00:44:17.960 Like Gareth Roberts wrote a piece about this, like that open, you know, where they mocked

00:44:21.540 the Last Supper, the image where, and it was just all drag Queens in a row in the, in the 0.96

00:44:25.880 style of the, the Leonardo.

00:44:28.120 And Gareth Roberts made this point that they were doing stuff like that back in the Royal

00:44:31.120 Vauxhall Tavern in the early nineties.

00:44:32.760 And everyone thought it was naff then, but at least it was contained within our sort of

00:44:37.240 gay world of naffness, which was fun for us, but we didn't think it was good. 1.00

00:44:41.880 Now the gay world of naffness is much bigger. 1.00

00:44:44.180 It's much bigger. 0.98

00:44:45.180 It's more, although I think, you know, when I watched that, cause I did watch that bit,

00:44:48.880 but coincidentally, I just turned it on while that was happening and I just thought it was

00:44:53.080 boring and I just thought it was just uninteresting.

00:44:56.740 I thought the reaction was actually really extreme and hysterical from the right as well.

00:45:00.860 I mean, you had that, who was that pseudo historian who said this, this was the, the, the, the

00:45:06.240 photograph of Nazis going into Paris during the war was, was preferable to, to the drag 0.89

00:45:12.440 Queens doing the Last Supper. 0.97

00:45:13.680 And like, that is insane. 0.97

00:45:15.300 You know, like it's a bunch of drag Queens, who cares? 1.00

00:45:17.260 And then there were all these people saying that.

00:45:18.760 Is it Andrew?

00:45:19.780 What?

00:45:20.060 Is it just a bunch of drag Queens, drag Queens, who cares? 1.00

00:45:23.000 Yeah.

00:45:23.260 I don't know that I agree with that because I think the, the, the, your point, actually,

00:45:29.540 I'm agreeing with you while disagreeing with you.

00:45:31.360 Your point about the, the nature of the stage on which this happened.

00:45:35.760 Yeah.

00:45:36.360 Com, compounded with the fact that as Leo says, this has been going on and on and on and on

00:45:41.060 and on and on and on, starts to feel a little bit.

00:45:44.160 And I don't know if any of us in the room are actually Christian, are we?

00:45:47.880 I am.

00:45:48.900 Are you Christian?

00:45:49.580 Well, I'm Catholic.

00:45:50.320 Does that count?

00:45:51.480 Well, I mean, the fact that you're asking that question means no.

00:45:54.300 I never thought of you as a devout.

00:45:56.280 No, I'm not.

00:45:56.920 I'm lapsed.

00:45:57.520 I'm a lapsed Catholic.

00:45:58.140 Well, yeah.

00:45:59.200 So, yeah.

00:46:00.360 I'm a cultural Christian, like Richard Dawkins.

00:46:03.480 Are you?

00:46:03.960 Yeah.

00:46:04.160 Because he's, he's, you know, after criticizing Christianity for so long, he was like,

00:46:07.500 oh, wait a minute.

00:46:07.980 I've seen what they've replaced it with.

00:46:09.880 To be fair, like with the Church of England, you never really had to believe in God anyway.

00:46:13.020 It was more about the tea and muffins and stuff like that.

00:46:14.760 Actually, now, yeah, the Church of England is more like the opening ceremony for the Paris Olympics.

00:46:19.200 Exactly.

00:46:19.920 So, I guess what I'm saying is none of us is like, oh, you know, like, oh my God, they're mocking my faith.

00:46:25.700 Right.

00:46:26.240 But I do feel that in some ways they're like mocking our civilization through this.

00:46:32.160 That's how I felt.

00:46:32.740 Through the drag queen last supper thing. 0.99

00:46:33.880 Yeah.

00:46:34.620 It didn't bother me that much.

00:46:35.640 I mean, look, for a start, it's the Olympics.

00:46:36.980 It's people playing games.

00:46:38.640 I don't care about that.

00:46:39.440 It's just games.

00:46:40.180 It's like, you know.

00:46:41.320 But it's not, though.

00:46:42.360 I know it means more to other people.

00:46:44.380 I have no interest whatsoever in competitive sports.

00:46:46.340 So, you know, it may as well be an origami competition.

00:46:48.520 I don't care.

00:46:49.040 But it's the one chance you can watch a man beating up a woman and clap along and everything's

00:46:53.740 you're a good person.

00:46:54.160 You're from the Glasgow, man.

00:46:57.320 Happens outside every pub on a Saturday.

00:46:59.060 Under Humza Yusuf, you're not allowed to clap along anymore.

00:47:02.120 Do you not think, though, that the reaction was a bit like when they started saying...

00:47:04.360 No, that particular incident...

00:47:06.200 That's insane. 1.00

00:47:06.900 But then also the whole thing about people claiming there was a guy with his testicles 0.99

00:47:10.660 out through the fishnet tights, which just wasn't true. 0.97

00:47:13.900 It just wasn't true at all.

00:47:14.840 I'm glad you checked.

00:47:16.260 Well, I'm an expert in those things.

00:47:17.800 But, you know, I just thought it was a bit like, just turn it off.

00:47:20.660 Like, it was...

00:47:21.360 Well, I'm saying that from someone who doesn't care about the Olympics.

00:47:23.740 I disagree.

00:47:24.360 And it's not because I love the Olympics.

00:47:26.320 It's because this is something that is being broadcast to hundreds of millions of people

00:47:31.440 around the world.

00:47:32.260 Did you feel the same about the Danny Boyle one?

00:47:34.120 Well, you know, because that was effectively a big advert for the NHS, wasn't it?

00:47:36.940 That was a big kind of very left-wing opening ceremony.

00:47:41.720 The NHS is the religion of the UK.

00:47:43.900 So that was like the reinforcement of the state religion.

00:47:46.820 A lot of people did have trouble with that as well.

00:47:48.380 They thought that was...

00:47:48.820 I didn't feel the same way.

00:47:49.900 ...that was partisan, you know.

00:47:50.920 What I see about it is, is I think...

00:47:53.740 Look, let's be honest, right?

00:47:55.840 Whether you or I or anyone else has the Christian belief, Christianity is the bedrock of Western

00:48:03.180 civilization.

00:48:04.160 Yeah.

00:48:04.440 It is, right?

00:48:05.360 Even if you're not yourself a Christian. 0.96

00:48:07.840 So when you mock it in that way, bringing in all of this latest LGB fucking endless acronyms

00:48:17.060 into it, I think you take the culture together and you see that as a symbol of what I see 0.84

00:48:23.140 is the attempt to destroy Western civilization from the inside.

00:48:25.840 And that's how I felt about it.

00:48:27.440 I mean, you're nodding.

00:48:28.340 Well, yeah.

00:48:29.020 Well, I don't think they thought about it that much.

00:48:31.000 I think they just wanted to go.

00:48:32.000 I'm not saying they thought about it that much in the same way that a blue-haired person

00:48:36.300 on a university campus doesn't think that they're undermining Western civilization when

00:48:40.560 they try and introduce blasphemy laws or whatever, or advocate for something else.

00:48:44.500 But it is part of that movement.

00:48:46.620 Well, I just found it banal.

00:48:47.680 I mean, people have always mocked Christianity.

00:48:50.440 They did it in Life of Brian.

00:48:52.360 You know, they've been doing it for years.

00:48:53.640 It's something that is a term that actually I first heard come from you, Leo, which is

00:48:57.980 safe edgy.

00:48:59.320 Which is safe edgy.

00:49:00.960 Safe edgy.

00:49:01.740 And this is what this is.

00:49:03.180 Because to me, it was a comedy skit.

00:49:05.680 However tasteless or judge you think it is, to me, it was like a comedy subversion.

00:49:10.000 It's a classic subversion. 0.97

00:49:11.040 You get the something sacred, then you subvert it and you make it ridiculous and grotesque. 0.98

00:49:16.480 Right? 0.97

00:49:16.720 So that's what it was.

00:49:17.880 But they would only do that with certain things.

00:49:21.960 There are certain things that you can do, certain things you can't.

00:49:24.600 I don't know what you're thinking of there, Francis.

00:49:26.820 But then the other element of it is you could tell yourself that you're being edgy.

00:49:32.520 Yeah.

00:49:32.920 And then your peers will then clap along and go, isn't this edgy?

00:49:37.740 Isn't this interesting?

00:49:39.080 Isn't this pushing a boundary?

00:49:40.420 When the fact is doing none of those things, all you're really doing is re-establishing

00:49:45.360 what we have done for however long, when the real edgy thing to do is to do other things.

00:49:50.600 But they won't do that.

00:49:51.760 So to me, it's part of what the problem is with comedy.

00:49:57.420 And there's nothing interesting about it.

00:50:01.140 It's completely artistically bankrupt.

00:50:03.540 Well, also, I mean, the whole drag area has become, I mean, drag used to be really subversive.

00:50:09.140 It did used to be edgy.

00:50:10.220 I've seen drag acts that have genuinely shocked me in what they've done. 1.00

00:50:13.780 And I thought, well, I can't believe you're saying that or doing that.

00:50:16.240 And now they're reading bedtime stories to children.

00:50:19.120 They're opening the Paris Olympics.

00:50:20.600 This is now like you've taken a whole underground art form and made it about as banal and tame and mainstream as you can possibly make it. 0.98

00:50:30.940 I'm sure there must be some drag queen saying, what the fuck happened to our art form? 0.95

00:50:35.580 Well, I think the real edgy drag queens just dress up as the gender they are. 1.00

00:50:40.060 You're doing it right now.

00:50:41.660 Yeah.

00:50:42.320 Double drag.

00:50:43.460 Yeah.

00:50:44.300 Yeah, but it is a manifestation of communism, like Constantine's saying or hinting at.

00:50:49.860 These ideas that developed in university campuses like critical race theory, queer theory, they're now in the institutions.

00:50:56.620 And what happened to the left?

00:50:57.700 The left used to be against the left used to be.

00:50:59.900 I was left wing in the 90s and we were like suspicious of corporations, suspicious of government.

00:51:05.440 And now the left are like, oh, you've got to do what the government says.

00:51:08.760 Oh, the government has introduced this law.

00:51:10.300 And if you don't go along with it, then you're a bad person.

00:51:13.280 And it's what happened to the left.

00:51:14.660 They've become the establishment.

00:51:16.140 They've become the institution.

00:51:17.160 Let's get the multibillionaires to censor us, please.

00:51:19.980 I want you to do it.

00:51:21.320 Well, one of the things that happened to the left this year is they got absolutely crushed in America.

00:51:25.560 And that's something we've yet to get to, but we should talk about, which is the American election.

00:51:29.500 I mean, first, the Trump assassination attempt, Biden dropping out, Kamala, and then the absolutely sweeping landslide that Trump managed to secure.

00:51:39.540 What did you boys make of that?

00:51:40.800 Well, when the assassination attempt happened, that photograph of him standing up shouting fight was almost like a Renaissance painting, the way that it was composed.

00:51:48.540 It was almost, it was too perfect with the flag behind him and the secret agents and the blood down his face.

00:51:54.280 It was, and I thought when I saw that, he's won it now.

00:51:56.240 That's it.

00:51:56.880 Like, he's definitely won it.

00:51:58.700 And the way the media managed to memory hole it so quickly.

00:52:02.500 So people would stop talking about it like a couple of weeks later.

00:52:04.940 And then there was another assassination attempt.

00:52:06.660 It's like, oh, well, this should be like major insane news.

00:52:11.480 It's like a candidate who was formerly the president almost killed twice.

00:52:16.440 This should be, we should still be talking about it.

00:52:18.340 We just all forgot about it.

00:52:19.700 What do we all think would have happened?

00:52:21.360 I genuinely have no idea how I would answer this question.

00:52:24.180 What do you think would have happened if that bullet had been two inches to the right?

00:52:28.780 Yeah.

00:52:29.260 Or even a fraction.

00:52:31.140 It was so, he was so lucky.

00:52:32.720 He just turned his head and it just clipped his ear.

00:52:34.820 I mean, that was a, that was an easy shot to make.

00:52:36.920 I'm not just saying that because my dad's a gunsmith.

00:52:38.860 But I mean, if anything, it was a real, I think in people's minds, it was the moment

00:52:43.960 they realized the left were so incompetent, they couldn't even make a shot like that.

00:52:48.900 You know what I mean?

00:52:49.320 This was a DEI hire.

00:52:51.260 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:52:51.860 This was the sort of manifestation in politics of all the sort of, you know, fat, ugly people 0.98

00:52:57.220 on catwalk runways and all that sort of stuff. 0.94

00:53:01.420 I mean.

00:53:02.300 Wasn't he a straight white man though, this assassin? 0.52

00:53:04.720 He let the team down there.

00:53:06.560 He looked like, look at his face.

00:53:08.500 You think he was trans?

00:53:09.540 Is that what you're saying?

00:53:09.920 He had something going on.

00:53:11.360 Yeah.

00:53:11.600 He had something going on.

00:53:13.380 He had something going on.

00:53:14.220 He wasn't like, you wouldn't, you wouldn't put him on the poster.

00:53:16.580 No, I mean.

00:53:17.160 He kind of looked like a mutated jelly baby, didn't he? 0.81

00:53:19.380 Yeah.

00:53:19.700 You know, it came out and then the haircut was terrible.

00:53:22.080 But you didn't answer my question.

00:53:23.580 What do you think would have happened if he'd been killed?

00:53:26.880 I think somebody, I mean, the Republicans would have obviously had a replacement candidate who

00:53:31.480 would have just, you know, won, absolutely stormed it.

00:53:34.960 Yeah.

00:53:35.560 I mean, I think actually the assassination attempt was the turning point, particularly

00:53:40.320 because that's when Musk came out.

00:53:42.340 Yeah.

00:53:42.680 A lot of people came out.

00:53:44.000 Yeah.

00:53:44.340 A lot of people.

00:53:45.160 And that was like, then it all changed.

00:53:47.920 So much happened in this election.

00:53:49.260 I mean, not just to two assassination attempts.

00:53:50.760 Then you've got the Biden debate, him dropping out, all this revelation.

00:53:55.780 But, you know, the fact that the media had covered up for this obviously senile individual

00:54:00.240 for so long, you know, the moment when he stood up and called for a woman who died a couple

00:54:04.900 of months ago.

00:54:06.240 Oh, is she here?

00:54:06.920 Are you here?

00:54:07.840 No, she's dead, Joe.

00:54:09.460 At that point, every person in the White House press briefing room should have said, can

00:54:13.680 we see records, the medical records of the president?

00:54:16.500 Can we see evidence of his cognitive state?

00:54:18.580 He brought Vladimir Zelensky to the stage as Vladimir Putin.

00:54:23.180 Yeah.

00:54:24.060 Well, those foreign names are difficult.

00:54:25.640 It's like reading a Dostoevsky novel, you get lost.

00:54:29.580 What's interesting was it was another one of these things that we're told is a far-right

00:54:33.360 conspiracy theory.

00:54:34.340 The idea that Biden's got cognitive decline was a far-right conspiracy theory until it

00:54:38.720 wasn't.

00:54:39.240 Suddenly it wasn't.

00:54:40.080 And suddenly George Clooney and everybody else was saying, he's got cognitive decline.

00:54:44.080 He needs to stand down.

00:54:45.320 And it just becomes, it's like what Keir Starmer did just this week.

00:54:48.040 Like what he's going along, like all the, all the idea, the idea that, you know, mass

00:54:53.080 immigration is a, is a deliberate plan is, that's a far-right conspiracy theory.

00:54:58.820 Then Keir Starmer stands up and says, this is done by design.

00:55:01.860 And we've been gaslit for the last, you know, however many years.

00:55:06.020 And then suddenly the window, the Overton window can not just move.

00:55:10.040 It just jumps to a different place.

00:55:11.720 Did you see the report from Congress this week about how it turns out the COVID virus

00:55:16.560 probably did leak from a lab?

00:55:18.200 Yeah.

00:55:19.060 Well, no, as if we couldn't see that coming.

00:55:20.820 But yeah, that's right.

00:55:21.420 So all of the things you're told are far-right conspiracy theories come true.

00:55:24.780 My worry with that is that you then end up, and a lot of people I know have gone completely

00:55:28.920 mad and now believe every single conspiracy theory.

00:55:31.520 They think Paul McCartney's dead, that he was killed in the 70s.

00:55:34.600 They think the dinosaurs were faked by 19th century paleontologists by assembling sheep

00:55:39.180 bones.

00:55:40.140 They genuinely, but they think the moon landings were fake, all of this stuff.

00:55:42.720 Yeah, I mean, and then everything now is, you go, well, why is this happening?

00:55:47.620 They're like, it's the Jews. 1.00

00:55:49.160 And it's the Jews. 0.99

00:55:50.160 And it always goes back to the Jews. 0.99

00:55:51.280 And then also you've got now people saying Donald Trump's assassination attempt was planned

00:55:55.000 by Trump.

00:55:56.240 That was a false flag.

00:55:59.260 By the way, during that, I worked out that with one question, you could work out who was

00:56:03.940 a Republican or who's a Democrat in the US, even if they didn't want to tell you.

00:56:07.060 Because if someone said he was shot in the ear, they were a Democrat. 0.58

00:56:11.440 If they said he was shot in the head, they were a Republican.

00:56:14.580 That's interesting.

00:56:16.140 That's right.

00:56:16.980 I don't know if you noticed that.

00:56:18.360 But anyway, so that's what happened.

00:56:22.220 And then he got elected in what I think is one of the most stunning electoral victories

00:56:26.980 in the modern era.

00:56:28.280 It's been interesting that the meltdowns haven't been anywhere near what they were in 2016.

00:56:32.440 There's no point.

00:56:32.640 It's so convincing.

00:56:33.460 But they're still counting votes.

00:56:35.640 It's mad.

00:56:36.500 How slow?

00:56:37.160 Do they count like one a week in California?

00:56:39.800 Are they thorough?

00:56:40.480 I mean, in the UK, we know before people have even left the polling station.

00:56:44.400 It's mad.

00:56:45.040 We're like Putin when it comes to an election.

00:56:48.260 But over there, yeah, California still counting votes.

00:56:50.780 I can't believe it.

00:56:51.700 They might still swing it, right?

00:56:53.100 Yeah.

00:56:53.420 They might still have to come with that.

00:56:54.940 You know, it was very interesting talking about California.

00:56:58.360 I think it was 40% of people voted Republican in California.

00:57:01.420 Yeah, right.

00:57:02.000 And that's stunning because you look at the job that Gavin Newsom has done in California

00:57:06.180 and you're like, 60% of people voted for this.

00:57:09.140 Yeah. 0.96

00:57:09.340 That is mental.

00:57:10.480 Yeah.

00:57:10.880 And of course, you've got, you know, obviously the black vote is very much swung towards Trump

00:57:14.740 as well.

00:57:15.200 And, you know, all of these attempts to call him racist.

00:57:18.080 I think what this all shows is that the racist accusation, the fascist accusation is just

00:57:22.320 not working anymore.

00:57:23.160 No.

00:57:23.440 Like, did you see the MSNBC coverage of the rally that Trump held?

00:57:26.080 We were at the rally.

00:57:27.040 We were at the rally.

00:57:27.760 We were at the rally.

00:57:28.840 Yeah. 0.99

00:57:29.000 Jewish Nazi. 0.63

00:57:30.080 No, we weren't. 1.00

00:57:30.820 We're garbage. 1.00

00:57:31.720 We're garbage. 1.00

00:57:32.920 Yeah. 1.00

00:57:33.660 Speaking of Jewish Nazis, it being New York, at least, I don't know, 20% of the crowd

00:57:39.040 had yarmulkes on.

00:57:40.600 I mean, I saw Stars of David being...

00:57:43.020 Oh, they weren't there at Nuremberg, were they?

00:57:44.780 No.

00:57:46.260 There was Israel flags inside the thing.

00:57:49.100 Anytime any of the speakers said anything about Israel, it got a massive cheer.

00:57:52.620 I'll be honest with you, I wrote and did a video about this, that one moment being there

00:57:58.760 and then reading the coverage of my phone while being there, that for me permanently

00:58:04.320 broke what was left of my faith in the mainstream media.

00:58:07.900 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:08.360 Absolutely.

00:58:08.760 That's when I realized they've been lying about this guy this entire time and in Britain

00:58:14.780 in particular, even people, prominent conservatives like Michael Gove and others were pro-Kamala

00:58:20.800 and I understand why now because in Britain, what we do is we listen to British journalists

00:58:27.380 who mostly don't ever go to America, so they never see any of the stuff they're talking about

00:58:31.200 with their own eyes.

00:58:31.860 And if they do go to America, they don't go to America, they go to Washington, D.C.,

00:58:37.900 which is 92% Democrat, or New York, or if they go on holiday, go to L.A. or something

00:58:44.020 like that, right?

00:58:45.080 So they're not seeing the parts of America that are pro-Trump and so they have no conception

00:58:49.580 of how to understand it and then they are swallowing the lies of the American journalists

00:58:54.680 who marinated in their neck of a chamber.

00:58:57.300 And so what we get in Europe is a complete misunderstanding of everything.

00:59:01.720 And then you add to that that because we speak the same language, we assume that our cultures

00:59:07.580 are the same.

00:59:08.700 And as someone who's been to America, our cultures are not the same.

00:59:12.740 Absolutely not.

00:59:13.020 Trump is way more representative of America than most people in Europe realize.

00:59:17.700 Like the way he talks straight to business, you know, all of that is how most Americans

00:59:21.880 are, actually.

00:59:22.880 Yeah.

00:59:23.120 You know what I mean?

00:59:24.140 And they don't mince words nearly as much and they're not as well as we are.

00:59:28.080 And so the fact that he offends our British sensibilities, it just makes people blind to

00:59:33.660 the reality of his movement, which fundamentally is about what it says it's about, which is

00:59:39.600 we don't want America to go down the shitter.

00:59:42.340 We want America to be great again.

00:59:44.820 So that's quite reassuring though, isn't it?

00:59:46.400 I mean, you saw it for yourself, the disparity between the coverage and the reality that now

00:59:50.940 everyone has seen it, but, you know, and actually I think that kind of coverage has become self

00:59:55.540 discrediting because, you know, when MSNBC, they jumped the shark, didn't they?

00:59:59.860 Because they didn't just show the footage from the rally.

01:00:01.740 They intercut it with images from a Nazi rally in the 1930s.

01:00:05.740 And they said, look back in Madison Square Garden, there was another fascist who did, you

01:00:10.460 know, even though it was a different building, but that doesn't matter.

01:00:12.120 And so people can now can see it.

01:00:14.340 And that, that tenor of politics, I just think it's over, isn't it?

01:00:18.480 You've, you know, and Tim Waltz got involved and, you know, Kamala Harris would suggest

01:00:21.780 to be fair, Trump also started calling Kamala Harris a fascist.

01:00:24.960 And I think we should just maybe just retire the word fascist and say that happened a long

01:00:29.120 time ago.

01:00:29.620 Let's just not do that.

01:00:30.640 You know, that's not helpful.

01:00:31.480 No, no, I see.

01:00:32.600 This is where I disagree with you, Andrew.

01:00:34.160 The word fascist is very important.

01:00:36.780 It describes a political movement and ideology which still exists.

01:00:41.240 And the problem is, is that if everything is fascism, nothing is fascism.

01:00:46.800 And what people...

01:00:47.320 But to what extent does it exist?

01:00:48.440 I mean, the point is that if you look at what fascism actually means, what it actually

01:00:51.680 meant to Mussolini, right, you can find elements of what he described as fascism in every Western

01:00:56.460 government on the left and the right today.

01:00:58.460 I think it's more on the left because it's this sort of totalitarian, big state, you know,

01:01:02.140 corporatized government where the government controls all business and all institutions.

01:01:06.180 But it's still not helpful to call Kamala Harris a fascist. 0.69

01:01:08.260 No, because she's not a fascist. 0.99

01:01:09.760 But the Democrats are big government.

01:01:11.100 So they're more...

01:01:12.380 I mean, really, when you get to like a big government, a big state, it naturally becomes

01:01:16.540 authoritarian.

01:01:17.500 I'm going to be honest with you, Leo.

01:01:18.360 My problem with the fascist was not their affinity for the big state.

01:01:22.000 I mean, it's impossible to be a fascist if you have a small state.

01:01:25.920 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:01:27.060 And also as well, I mean, to me, one of the central tenets of fascism is that the individual

01:01:31.620 has no right and the state has all the rights.

01:01:34.500 Right.

01:01:34.900 Like Scotland.

01:01:35.480 And then when you look at, you know, the way people talk, particularly on the left about

01:01:41.100 things like the vaccine and particularly in America, and you're like, well, you're going

01:01:44.880 to take it.

01:01:45.400 And if you're not, you're going to lose all your rights and you're going to lose your

01:01:48.080 job.

01:01:48.420 That to me is fascistic.

01:01:50.540 So then it's...

01:01:52.000 But I just think using that term fascistic, saying that things are fascist in that way,

01:01:55.720 it kind of evokes all of those things, those elements of the 1930s, those elements of the

01:02:01.580 Holocaust that I just think aren't helpful in modern popular discourse.

01:02:05.320 You know, I think you're right insofar as I think when the state is trying to control

01:02:09.500 the way people think, trying to censor speech, that is obviously something that fascist regimes

01:02:14.480 have always done.

01:02:15.560 But I think it's helpful.

01:02:17.340 It's more helpful to describe such things in modern parlance as authoritarian, because

01:02:23.520 I think the Conservatives and the Labour in this country have authoritarian tendencies.

01:02:27.000 Yeah.

01:02:27.180 I think both Democrats and Republicans have authoritarian tendencies in different ways.

01:02:31.660 I think when Tim Waltz in the vice presidential debate with J.D. Vance said that the First

01:02:36.760 Amendment doesn't cover hate speech, that is an authoritarian...

01:02:40.880 And it's interesting because that comment did not make the official transcript, almost as

01:02:44.920 though the media didn't want you to note that he'd said that.

01:02:47.540 And John Kerry said, you know, they were going to look at the First Amendment, look at the...

01:02:51.820 Or whatever.

01:02:52.560 Is it the First Amendment?

01:02:53.340 What amendment is it?

01:02:54.160 The First Amendment is freedom of speech.

01:02:55.320 Right, yeah.

01:02:55.780 John Kerry said it was a major block.

01:02:58.060 Yeah.

01:02:58.260 He described the First Amendment as a major block.

01:03:00.140 I mean, it is.

01:03:00.960 That's the whole point.

01:03:02.060 That's the whole point.

01:03:03.280 That's the entire point.

01:03:04.660 That's really disturbing that now what you've got is mainstream politicians like John Kerry,

01:03:08.020 like Tim Waltz, openly saying they want to amend the First Amendment.

01:03:11.640 Yeah.

01:03:11.820 That's the thing that makes America the last bastion of free speech in the world.

01:03:15.280 They shouldn't have called it the First Amendment because that makes it sound like it can be 0.97

01:03:18.200 amended.

01:03:18.920 Yeah.

01:03:19.220 It does, exactly.

01:03:19.980 It can be amended.

01:03:21.000 The thing is, it actually...

01:03:21.900 Don't tell them.

01:03:22.660 It's incredibly difficult to do and I don't think they'll ever succeed.

01:03:25.860 Sorry.

01:03:26.040 You know, I was going to say that actually I don't find that what I completely push back

01:03:30.740 on what you're saying, Doily, because I think it's good that they said that.

01:03:34.640 Because they're out in the open about it.

01:03:35.900 Because they're out in the open, they're being honest and then people can go,

01:03:39.160 oh, what you are, and Rogan made this point when we were on his podcast, he went, if you

01:03:44.460 were against the First Amendment, then what you are is un-American.

01:03:48.920 And people looked at those people saying those words and go, oh, you're un-American, I'm not

01:03:53.580 going to vote for you.

01:03:54.300 So actually, I commend them for being honest and saying, oh, we don't believe in free speech.

01:04:00.200 Great.

01:04:00.580 I don't think he meant to say it.

01:04:01.640 And I think that's also why it was omitted from the transcript when the media reported

01:04:04.620 on it.

01:04:05.000 I think it was a slip of the tongue, which obviously revealed something about what he

01:04:08.800 really thinks.

01:04:09.040 Absolutely, he did.

01:04:09.920 Absolutely.

01:04:10.300 And I think it's brilliant that he did that.

01:04:11.840 Speaking of authoritarianism, one thing that did happen during the election is the death,

01:04:17.420 the tragic death of Peanut the Squirrel.

01:04:19.400 Yeah.

01:04:20.180 No, this was a squirrel that was...

01:04:22.060 Look at him. 0.97

01:04:22.420 He's been waiting all fucking out and destroyed by this thing. 0.99

01:04:25.040 Francis, this is squirrel ethnic cleansing. 0.99

01:04:29.420 I mean, this is a squirrel genocide.

01:04:31.300 Squirrel side.

01:04:32.420 Squirrels you're into, all those capybara things. 0.98

01:04:34.660 I like capybara.

01:04:35.740 I'm a friend to all rodents.

01:04:37.660 So they're great animals.

01:04:40.140 What I love about a lot of these rodents, like capybara, it looks like it was made in 0.99

01:04:44.960 a PlayStation 1 game.

01:04:46.320 It doesn't have enough polygons.

01:04:48.380 You know what I mean?

01:04:49.680 I've never seen one.

01:04:50.720 Are they real?

01:04:51.380 I've seen one.

01:04:52.260 You go and see them.

01:04:52.820 There's a few places in the UK you can see one.

01:04:54.400 Guys, no offense, but we're getting sidetracked.

01:04:56.440 They've got one at Cotswold Wildlife Park and it's the...

01:05:00.560 I love the way you just finished the sentence anyway.

01:05:02.520 It's in with tapir and stuff. 0.99

01:05:04.120 Can we please talk about Peanut the fucking squirrel? 0.99

01:05:06.640 Peanut the Squirrel. 0.99

01:05:08.120 Peanut the Squirrel was this...

01:05:09.260 He was a rescue squirrel who...

01:05:10.740 His mother had been killed in a car accident.

01:05:12.880 I'm not sure if...

01:05:13.480 What was she driving?

01:05:14.500 I'm not sure if she was driving, but it was a rescue squirrel.

01:05:18.640 And so this guy had taken the squirrel in and, you know, nursed it and then tried to

01:05:23.300 release it into the wild.

01:05:24.400 Or release him into the wild, because we're going to anthropomorphize him a lot.

01:05:28.700 But the squirrel just came back and was like, going to stay in your house.

01:05:31.560 So he was like, yeah, cool.

01:05:32.980 And then he'd start a social media account.

01:05:34.740 The squirrel was doing tricks and stuff.

01:05:36.760 So they got loads of followers.

01:05:40.820 He's like an OnlyFans for squirrels.

01:05:42.080 Like an OnlyFans for squirrels, yeah.

01:05:43.520 And then basically somebody grasped up, because you're supposed to have like various permits

01:05:49.080 and stuff for owning a wild animal.

01:05:51.180 It's got to be, you know, checked off by the state.

01:05:54.440 So because he didn't have these permits, it was basically a illegal squirrel.

01:05:58.060 So the state sent round its apparatchiks, its goon squad, its squirrel execution force to boot

01:06:05.600 down his door in a sort of Stalinist way and seize the squirrel and execute it. 0.71

01:06:12.760 Did they machine gun the squirrel?

01:06:13.540 Dragged out into the garden and shot in front of him.

01:06:17.780 No, it wasn't.

01:06:18.600 It was taken away and euthanized.

01:06:21.140 But I mean, that's still, you know, the statists, all the leftists are all like, oh, well, they

01:06:27.060 do have the right paperwork for the squirrel.

01:06:29.060 Man, it's a squirrel.

01:06:30.080 It's not even like, you know, it's not like it's come from another country.

01:06:32.360 It's from that country.

01:06:33.200 What harm is it doing if it's eating bananas in this guy's kitchen?

01:06:35.960 What was the justification?

01:06:36.700 Was it that it was spreading disease?

01:06:37.760 It didn't have the paperwork.

01:06:39.680 But then, you know, they're saying.

01:06:41.680 Your papers are not in order.

01:06:42.760 Well, they're saying this squirrel doesn't have the paperwork.

01:06:44.660 What about all the illegal immigrants, the millions of illegal immigrants that are allowed 0.92

01:06:48.120 to just stream over the border and they get all these benefits and so much taxpayers money

01:06:52.420 is sort of lavished on them to provide them with hotels and EBT and phones and all the

01:06:57.900 rest of it so they can live a life and so they can stay and they get all these legal services

01:07:01.980 and everything to try and work the system.

01:07:03.660 Why would the state not provide and peen up the squirrel with a lawyer? 0.80

01:07:06.660 Can I push back on that?

01:07:07.860 Squirrels are colonialists.

01:07:09.020 You know that we no longer have the red squirrel population in the UK because those American squirrels 1.00

01:07:13.340 came in and massacred them and destroyed them.

01:07:15.400 They didn't massacre them. 0.89

01:07:16.440 They out-competed them.

01:07:17.520 No, they beat them up.

01:07:19.180 They were vicious. 1.00

01:07:19.940 They're thugs. 0.98

01:07:20.760 Squirrels are thugs. 0.98

01:07:21.540 I don't like them.

01:07:22.040 Just to correct you, the red squirrel population is actually increasing now in the UK.

01:07:25.920 And that's where I'm from.

01:07:27.180 Leo is a squirrel genocide denialist.

01:07:30.460 Yeah, yeah.

01:07:31.220 No thanks to the American squirrels.

01:07:32.980 And there used to be a feral colony of gerbils on the Isle of Wight.

01:07:36.480 Leo is a squirrel Zionist. 0.98

01:07:38.500 Yeah.

01:07:39.040 Zionist shill. 0.89

01:07:39.820 Squirrel Zionist shill. 0.99

01:07:41.580 You know, Leo, you told me you've got autism.

01:07:44.000 I never believed you, but now I do, mate.

01:07:46.640 This is your specialist subject.

01:07:48.640 I've never seen you more in your element.

01:07:50.540 Hmm.

01:07:51.460 Thanks.

01:07:53.140 Are you publicly out as autistic, by the way?

01:07:55.340 But this is not like, I'm fine.

01:07:57.360 Whatever, I'm autistic and stuff like that.

01:07:59.660 I mean, if it gets me off some Greg Wallace-style allegations in the future,

01:08:03.840 then that's great.

01:08:04.780 You know, that was his excuse.

01:08:06.300 He said, I'm autistic.

01:08:08.660 It's like, what, you're counting up these allegations?

01:08:12.020 Like, what do you mean?

01:08:14.580 He just wanted to get to a nice round number, so he kept going.

01:08:17.800 He's like, man, Greg Wallace, he should have gone for something other than autism.

01:08:22.600 I think, you know, autism's not...

01:08:23.980 He should have been like, hey, guys, I'm trans.

01:08:25.920 Because then any woman, any middle-class women who are saying, 0.98

01:08:28.760 I felt sexually threatened by Greg Wallace, 0.51

01:08:30.940 they would have then been saying they were sexually threatened by a trans woman. 0.93

01:08:34.120 And that's transphobic.

01:08:36.140 So they would have had to retract the allegations.

01:08:37.940 Could he have done that, though,

01:08:38.900 because he has got a Millwall FC tattoo on his chest.

01:08:42.460 Can you really have a trans woman with a Millwall line? 1.00

01:08:44.540 Are you questioning his ability to self-identify as a woman?

01:08:48.220 Yeah.

01:08:48.840 Well, in this instance, yeah.

01:08:52.400 However, on the trans issue, actually,

01:08:54.700 it's something we haven't talked about on the show for a very long time,

01:08:57.480 because we kind of feel like, you know,

01:08:59.140 after about 700 interviews on the issue,

01:09:00.960 we kind of know where we stand on it.

01:09:02.280 Yeah, trans women are women. 1.00

01:09:04.240 Yeah, absolutely.

01:09:05.440 The hot ones are.

01:09:07.120 He actually thinks that.

01:09:08.300 Yeah.

01:09:08.460 I know he does.

01:09:09.060 Well, you've got to have a rule.

01:09:10.160 He thinks...

01:09:10.700 You think the benchmark for self-ID should be whether you find them hot?

01:09:13.700 Yeah.

01:09:14.220 Okay.

01:09:15.040 It's a perfect system.

01:09:16.600 Like, so...

01:09:17.220 All right, so, you know,

01:09:19.220 people have got this issue with trans women going into female toilets or whatever. 1.00

01:09:24.580 If you...

01:09:25.600 So Blair White, 1.00

01:09:26.720 would you make Blair White use the gents? 1.00

01:09:28.420 No.

01:09:30.120 No.

01:09:30.260 No.

01:09:30.800 Of course not.

01:09:31.600 Because Blair White looks like a woman. 1.00

01:09:33.840 So that's the rule.

01:09:34.760 Well, I would disagree with that.

01:09:35.780 I think you should have single-sex spaces for toilet facilities, 0.98

01:09:39.420 and I think people who identify as the opposite sex find ways around that.

01:09:42.480 They go to cubicles or they go to unisex facilities.

01:09:44.880 Well, just for saying that,

01:09:46.480 you're not allowed to use the gents anymore.

01:09:48.500 Well, that's fine.

01:09:49.400 I don't use public toilets anyway.

01:09:52.160 He's got a PhD from Oxford.

01:09:54.060 He doesn't want to mix with the proletariat. 0.96

01:09:55.420 He's too big for the public toilets.

01:09:58.640 But one of the other reasons we've not really talked about it more

01:10:02.200 is because we feel like we're actually on the right track

01:10:04.880 on all of these issues in this country, at least.

01:10:07.400 And we've just had this...

01:10:08.840 Because they're getting hotter.

01:10:12.160 It's not all about...

01:10:13.800 It's not all about your sexual preferences.

01:10:16.100 We've just had the Labour government, by the way,

01:10:19.320 announce that puberty blockers are going to be banned for children in this country.

01:10:23.100 It looks like permanently.

01:10:24.120 So that's an amazing thing that's happened

01:10:26.020 because if you think about all the people who've tried...

01:10:28.780 All the campaigners who've been working towards this over years

01:10:30.780 and have been absolutely slammed.

01:10:32.620 Like, the Pink News has written a...

01:10:34.720 I think it was 750 hit pieces on J.K. Rowling.

01:10:37.980 Just like...

01:10:38.760 That level of obsession.

01:10:41.180 They did 40 in one week.

01:10:43.340 They did 40 in a week?

01:10:44.740 Yeah.

01:10:44.980 They are absolutely crazily obsessed with her.

01:10:47.800 Who reads this?

01:10:48.980 Who reads 40 hit pieces about J.K. Rowling?

01:10:51.500 I just thought you were going to have to say who reads the Pink News.

01:10:54.100 Well, no, but the Pink... 1.00

01:10:54.880 I mean, the Pink News...

01:10:56.160 All of those organisations, Pink News, Stonewall, Mermaids,

01:11:00.160 every organisation that has been pushing for puberty blockers for children,

01:11:03.860 they're all embroiled in scandals now.

01:11:06.260 They're all falling one by one.

01:11:07.660 Oh, yeah.

01:11:07.900 I've heard about this.

01:11:08.800 I don't want to defame anyone, but aren't they a bit...

01:11:12.540 Are you talking about Pink News now?

01:11:13.520 Yeah, the two guys are wrong.

01:11:15.260 They've been accused.

01:11:16.360 There's like a...

01:11:17.140 Honestly, the list of allegations is insane.

01:11:19.860 You know what I mean?

01:11:20.380 Honestly, you'd think they were BBC presenters.

01:11:22.560 The list of allegations are...

01:11:23.740 It's not just sexual allegations.

01:11:24.300 It's also bullying, workplace bullying, all sorts of stuff.

01:11:27.020 I mean, but it always happens.

01:11:28.680 It's like with mermaids. 0.96

01:11:29.860 Mermaids took an action against LGB Alliance, you know,

01:11:32.560 because they were for gay rights or whatever.

01:11:34.740 And, of course, by doing so,

01:11:35.840 they sort of exposed themselves to all sorts of...

01:11:38.060 Because they were...

01:11:38.800 Mermaids secretly were sending chest binders to kids 1.00

01:11:41.520 without parental consent and stuff like insane stuff.

01:11:44.760 And it always happens, all of these organisations.

01:11:46.660 But what's great now is, like you say,

01:11:48.840 we always thought that the Labour Party

01:11:50.640 were hopeless on this issue.

01:11:53.180 But actually, West Streeting has been really brilliant

01:11:55.060 on this issue.

01:11:55.820 You know, you had...

01:11:56.900 Well, ultimately, to put it simply,

01:11:59.440 there was never any evidence

01:12:01.340 that puberty blockers were good for kids.

01:12:03.340 Yeah.

01:12:03.720 There was always a lot of evidence that they caused damage.

01:12:06.820 There's been cases of testicular atrophy, cancer,

01:12:09.960 brain problems, bone density issues.

01:12:12.960 And this was a massive medical experimentation on children

01:12:15.800 when we know, when all of the studies showed

01:12:18.300 that feelings of gender dysphoria

01:12:20.160 in the vast majority of cases disappear through puberty.

01:12:23.020 So by blocking puberty, they were blocking the cure.

01:12:25.600 And this was all unevidenced.

01:12:27.420 The CAS review came out, four-year study,

01:12:29.540 proving that this was a problem,

01:12:31.120 this was unevidenced.

01:12:32.460 And now West Streeting is, you know,

01:12:34.140 first-gen Victoria Atkins,

01:12:35.820 who used the emergency powers

01:12:37.240 to put a stop on puberty blockers,

01:12:38.560 and she was right to do so.

01:12:40.000 And that's now been confirmed by West Streeting

01:12:42.480 by saying there's an...

01:12:43.200 Because there were all these private clinics as well

01:12:44.900 saying, we can work around the NHS ban

01:12:47.440 because they still want to make money out of this stuff.

01:12:49.560 And he said, no, that's going to be banned as well.

01:12:51.720 So this is an amazing thing that's happened.

01:12:53.100 And we should give West Streeting and Labour credit for that.

01:12:56.260 100%.

01:12:56.600 Yeah.

01:12:57.060 It's, you know, all of them,

01:12:58.240 like Sajid Javid for commissioning Hillary Cass,

01:13:00.500 then Victoria Atkins for doing what she did

01:13:02.540 with the emergency powers.

01:13:03.340 Now West Streeting.

01:13:04.280 By the way, loads of people in his party

01:13:05.740 hate him for doing this.

01:13:06.800 They've really gone at him for this.

01:13:08.620 Yeah.

01:13:08.840 Do you think part of the reason that he's been,

01:13:11.400 and look, this is speculation, 0.68

01:13:12.580 is because West Streeting is a gay man?

01:13:15.200 West Streeting used to be on the other side of this debate,

01:13:17.400 but because he's now read about it

01:13:18.960 and actually spoken to people about it,

01:13:20.760 because the only way this stuff ever gets preserved

01:13:22.800 is by the lack of scrutiny.

01:13:24.500 That's why Stonewall for years was saying,

01:13:26.400 no debate.

01:13:27.480 Because when you have the debate, it falls apart.

01:13:29.460 Yeah, of course.

01:13:29.920 And we've seen it in the Supreme Court in America

01:13:31.560 at the moment, you know,

01:13:32.740 with the Tennessee ruling.

01:13:34.020 You've seen it in the Supreme Court in the UK.

01:13:36.240 You put these people on the stand

01:13:37.960 and you ask them to defend this notion of gender identity.

01:13:41.100 I mean, let me put it simply.

01:13:42.720 You know, all of these public health policies

01:13:44.440 that have been pushed through on the basis

01:13:45.700 of this notion of gender identity,

01:13:47.860 which is a supernatural belief

01:13:49.400 that there's a sexed soul within all of us, right?

01:13:52.400 No one can define it.

01:13:53.940 Jackie Smith, who's the spokesperson for the government

01:13:56.460 in the Lords for Equalities,

01:13:58.460 was asked explicitly in the Lords a couple of weeks ago,

01:14:00.560 you're talking about gender identity,

01:14:02.720 you're pushing through policy

01:14:03.460 on the basis of gender identity.

01:14:04.580 What does it mean?

01:14:05.760 What is the government's working definition

01:14:07.200 of gender identity?

01:14:08.280 She couldn't give one.

01:14:09.360 And she actually had a go at the questioner

01:14:11.020 saying you need to take this more seriously. 0.99

01:14:13.960 I was like, for fuck's sake, 0.98

01:14:15.100 we, all the people who are asking 0.99

01:14:16.280 are taking it seriously.

01:14:17.240 You're not.

01:14:18.460 So why is it that a supernatural belief

01:14:20.200 is pushing policy

01:14:21.120 and no one's questioning it?

01:14:22.760 It's so weird to me.

01:14:23.900 Well, now I think we have to acknowledge,

01:14:26.300 actually, like I said,

01:14:27.340 there are some wins being had on that issue.

01:14:29.320 Yeah, especially in this country,

01:14:31.200 but I imagine also in the United States,

01:14:33.400 given who's now going to be in power.

01:14:35.240 But is it a win?

01:14:36.300 I mean, you had these liberal parents.

01:14:37.960 They're all liberal parents.

01:14:38.940 There's no like conservatives

01:14:40.000 doing this to their kids.

01:14:41.240 There's these liberal parents

01:14:42.160 who are basically transing their kids 0.99

01:14:43.660 so they can, you know,

01:14:45.180 one up their friends at the dinner party.

01:14:47.600 I don't, that...

01:14:48.500 That's just a setup for a punchline.

01:14:50.060 No joke.

01:14:50.900 Honestly, it's not.

01:14:51.760 So you've got these people

01:14:52.840 basically removing their DNA

01:14:54.220 from the pool

01:14:56.840 and they're all lefties.

01:14:58.840 They're all going to make,

01:14:59.660 you know,

01:14:59.920 if you let your kid transition

01:15:02.520 when it's like eight or whatever,

01:15:04.380 man,

01:15:04.720 and then you put it on puberty blockers

01:15:06.460 and all the rest of it

01:15:07.220 and it goes into surgery,

01:15:08.420 man, you're going to have it.

01:15:09.600 Like your Christmases

01:15:10.460 are going to be so awkward

01:15:11.520 for the rest of your life.

01:15:12.920 You know what I mean?

01:15:13.600 So why,

01:15:14.580 why would you stop them doing that?

01:15:16.020 Why would you stop people on the left

01:15:17.780 destroying their lives like that?

01:15:19.400 No, but like,

01:15:21.600 the joke is funny,

01:15:23.180 but also...

01:15:23.960 It's not a joke!

01:15:24.880 Yeah, look, look,

01:15:25.540 no, no, because there are,

01:15:27.000 look, there's a lot of people,

01:15:28.300 there's the real tragedy with this

01:15:29.940 is that kids are getting radicalised

01:15:32.260 when they go online

01:15:33.200 and the parents don't know.

01:15:34.900 A lot of the parents,

01:15:35.700 they're just normies.

01:15:36.460 They're not aware of all of this stuff.

01:15:38.620 They can go in

01:15:40.180 and the schools,

01:15:41.660 they can tell schools

01:15:42.560 that they're using different pronouns,

01:15:44.580 different names.

01:15:45.760 The parents don't get told.

01:15:47.660 So a lot of these kids

01:15:48.580 are getting radicalised

01:15:49.480 and I use that word

01:15:50.360 in its true sense

01:15:51.420 and then they become

01:15:52.580 incredibly unaware

01:15:53.600 and then they've got no power.

01:15:57.460 So there's a lot of parents

01:15:58.680 who are just feeling

01:15:59.440 utterly powerless

01:16:00.500 out of all of this stuff

01:16:02.420 and they're not being told

01:16:03.600 by the, you know,

01:16:04.520 the healthcare system,

01:16:05.700 the schools.

01:16:06.820 It's awful

01:16:07.480 and teachers are,

01:16:08.660 some of these,

01:16:09.240 a couple of teachers

01:16:10.160 who are radicalising kids

01:16:11.600 into this nonsense.

01:16:13.780 But it'll change now.

01:16:14.880 It will change if,

01:16:16.280 with someone like Wes

01:16:17.300 treating his health secretary,

01:16:18.300 it will change if,

01:16:19.400 you know,

01:16:19.720 a parent takes a child 0.96

01:16:20.720 to a doctor,

01:16:21.400 a paediatric doctor

01:16:22.180 and the doctor says to the kid,

01:16:23.980 you know,

01:16:24.840 you're not born in the wrong body,

01:16:26.220 that's not possible.

01:16:27.500 No human being can change sex. 1.00

01:16:29.160 If those things were said openly

01:16:30.660 and if they investigated

01:16:32.100 the other issues,

01:16:32.920 we all know,

01:16:33.960 we know that between 80 and 90%

01:16:35.460 of adolescents referred

01:16:36.420 to the Tavistock Gender Clinic

01:16:37.920 were same-sex attracted.

01:16:39.200 So they're just kids

01:16:39.960 who are going to grow up gay, 0.96

01:16:40.880 basically. 0.81

01:16:41.640 You know,

01:16:41.820 the NHS has been practising

01:16:42.900 gay conversion therapy,

01:16:43.980 which is,

01:16:44.820 you know,

01:16:45.040 an astonishing thing

01:16:45.940 because they do that

01:16:46.600 in Iran as well.

01:16:48.560 And,

01:16:48.860 or a lot of them

01:16:49.540 are autistic,

01:16:50.220 a lot of them

01:16:50.540 have other comorbidities.

01:16:51.760 40% of the girls 0.76

01:16:52.740 are autistic.

01:16:53.300 Right.

01:16:54.200 But that's probably less

01:16:55.480 than like the number

01:16:56.180 of people who claim

01:16:56.820 they're autistic right now. 0.71

01:17:00.000 But like,

01:17:00.440 clearly this needs

01:17:01.780 a therapeutic approach,

01:17:02.840 right?

01:17:03.000 And there are people

01:17:03.460 and kids who've been abused

01:17:04.320 and there's all sorts

01:17:04.900 of other reasons.

01:17:06.260 But for a long time,

01:17:07.180 medical practitioners

01:17:07.820 were afraid,

01:17:09.220 they were told,

01:17:10.120 unless you automatically

01:17:11.100 affirm

01:17:11.800 what the child says

01:17:14.040 about their own gender,

01:17:14.840 then you are committing

01:17:15.900 malpractice.

01:17:17.140 And so a lot,

01:17:17.520 so I think that there was

01:17:18.340 that pressure as well,

01:17:19.200 that professional

01:17:19.740 and ethical pressure.

01:17:21.060 But I think you're right,

01:17:21.920 things are completely changing.

01:17:22.840 And I think it's the tenacity

01:17:24.820 of,

01:17:25.600 well,

01:17:26.340 TERFs,

01:17:27.620 feminist campaigners,

01:17:28.440 women's rights campaigners,

01:17:29.240 gay rights campaigners,

01:17:30.200 LGB Alliance,

01:17:30.920 Sex Matters, 0.94

01:17:31.720 all of these people

01:17:32.780 in this country

01:17:33.620 have really pushed for this.

01:17:34.940 And I think that the UK

01:17:36.160 is leading the world on this

01:17:37.620 because, look,

01:17:38.260 Canada's still complete.

01:17:40.080 I mean,

01:17:40.220 Canada's arresting parents.

01:17:42.160 For not affirming their kids.

01:17:44.920 You've got in America,

01:17:46.120 in some states,

01:17:46.800 there was that horrible case

01:17:47.760 that you lose your kids

01:17:50.200 if you don't affirm, right?

01:17:51.260 So I think we shouldn't

01:17:52.300 be complacent insofar as,

01:17:53.360 yes,

01:17:53.480 it's going the right direction

01:17:54.320 in this country,

01:17:55.580 but we're the outlier.

01:17:56.900 Well,

01:17:57.200 I think you're about to see

01:17:59.060 very significant change

01:18:00.260 in America on that issue

01:18:01.280 for obvious electoral reasons.

01:18:03.560 But it is good to see

01:18:05.460 that I think

01:18:06.320 on some of these issues

01:18:07.680 that we've all been talking about

01:18:09.180 and concerned about,

01:18:10.420 actually,

01:18:10.940 if you keep up the pressure,

01:18:12.840 if you keep up the work,

01:18:14.320 eventually,

01:18:15.040 it will pay off

01:18:16.000 and you will actually see change

01:18:17.800 in the way that people

01:18:18.700 would hope for.

01:18:19.500 Because, look,

01:18:20.240 Leo's joke is very funny,

01:18:21.420 but ultimately...

01:18:22.000 It's not a joke.

01:18:23.980 Ultimately,

01:18:25.460 it was about,

01:18:26.360 for me,

01:18:26.780 it was always about children.

01:18:28.260 Yeah.

01:18:28.480 And the safeguarding of children

01:18:30.180 against this horrible,

01:18:32.540 horrible outcome

01:18:33.440 that we have seen

01:18:34.300 for children

01:18:35.780 who really didn't need

01:18:36.900 to go down that path whatsoever.

01:18:38.360 I mean,

01:18:38.520 do you not think that in,

01:18:39.220 like,

01:18:39.400 I reckon in about 50 years' time,

01:18:40.780 people would be like,

01:18:41.260 what the?

01:18:42.040 What the hell happened there?

01:18:43.340 That is insane.

01:18:44.160 That will be like

01:18:45.040 lobotomies 50 years from now.

01:18:46.660 Absolutely.

01:18:47.540 So on that happy note,

01:18:49.020 we've got to wrap up.

01:18:50.660 And so,

01:18:51.640 as we look forward

01:18:52.480 to the new year,

01:18:54.320 what are we looking forward to?

01:18:56.060 What are we excited about?

01:18:57.640 Well, I'm off to America.

01:18:59.140 I don't mean you personally,

01:19:00.720 Andrew.

01:19:00.960 I'm just saying.

01:19:01.540 Oh, look at him.

01:19:02.360 Oh, I'm so famous now.

01:19:03.820 I'm so rich.

01:19:04.200 It can't be all about...

01:19:05.240 Oh, look at me.

01:19:05.900 I'm going to see you later.

01:19:08.020 It has to be something about me.

01:19:09.600 I'm also looking forward

01:19:10.620 to Andrew going to...

01:19:11.560 Yeah.

01:19:13.280 I mean,

01:19:13.900 you know.

01:19:14.700 I'll tell you what

01:19:15.300 I am looking forward to,

01:19:17.160 potentially.

01:19:17.980 I'm not saying

01:19:18.340 this is going to happen,

01:19:19.100 but

01:19:19.260 I do see

01:19:20.480 what happened in America

01:19:21.460 and a sense of optimism

01:19:23.920 that so many people

01:19:25.000 in America now have,

01:19:26.340 including many people,

01:19:27.720 by the way,

01:19:28.700 let's say it quietly,

01:19:29.620 who didn't vote for Trump.

01:19:31.040 I see a lot of people

01:19:32.160 like in the business world

01:19:33.240 who either didn't vote

01:19:34.960 or were kind of

01:19:35.760 very reluctant Trump voters

01:19:37.260 or very like reluctant

01:19:39.160 Kamala voters even 0.65

01:19:40.480 who are kind of going,

01:19:41.840 this next four years

01:19:43.420 is going to be great

01:19:44.100 for the economy.

01:19:45.620 Yeah, they are saying that,

01:19:46.800 aren't they?

01:19:46.920 A lot of people

01:19:47.520 are very optimistic.

01:19:48.360 And it's going to be good

01:19:49.320 in the right ways.

01:19:50.400 I mean,

01:19:50.620 the economy did great

01:19:51.520 under Trump last time,

01:19:52.560 but he spent loads of money.

01:19:53.820 He spent like the same amount

01:19:55.020 in four years

01:19:55.940 as Obama spent.

01:19:56.860 He added,

01:19:57.300 what was it,

01:19:58.200 almost eight trillion

01:19:58.960 to the deficit.

01:20:01.020 So,

01:20:01.860 it was a big government,

01:20:03.380 big spending.

01:20:03.820 Now,

01:20:04.160 Trump and the people

01:20:05.460 around him

01:20:05.900 know what they're doing

01:20:06.880 and they want to shrink

01:20:08.100 the government.

01:20:08.820 And I think

01:20:09.040 Javier Malay in Argentina

01:20:10.160 has shown the value,

01:20:11.700 the power of shrinking

01:20:12.580 the government.

01:20:13.080 Everybody thought,

01:20:13.640 Argentina was going 0.99

01:20:15.000 to fall apart.

01:20:16.520 The unions

01:20:17.420 or the socialists

01:20:18.200 or the Peronists 0.72

01:20:18.840 or whatever would block it,

01:20:20.000 would find a way

01:20:20.440 to stop him, 1.00

01:20:21.300 assassinate him. 0.94

01:20:22.480 It just wouldn't work.

01:20:24.180 And he's shown,

01:20:25.100 like first month,

01:20:26.500 it was,

01:20:27.000 Argentina was in the black.

01:20:30.580 So,

01:20:31.360 Malay has shown 1.00

01:20:32.000 how it can be done

01:20:32.660 and I think

01:20:32.920 that's going to have

01:20:33.420 a big effect

01:20:34.600 on all Western governments.

01:20:36.840 That's exactly

01:20:37.520 what I was going to say

01:20:38.440 and my great hope

01:20:39.620 and I think

01:20:40.520 we should be talking

01:20:41.460 way more about this

01:20:42.420 than we are

01:20:42.960 is we're not there

01:20:44.640 in Britain.

01:20:45.340 We don't want

01:20:45.920 a smaller state.

01:20:47.180 The vast majority

01:20:48.180 of the British public

01:20:49.040 want higher taxes

01:20:50.240 and more spending

01:20:50.960 and I fear

01:20:52.140 that until we change

01:20:53.360 our mindset

01:20:53.900 when it comes to business

01:20:55.000 and growing the economy,

01:20:56.880 I think it's going

01:20:57.420 to be very difficult

01:20:57.980 to generate those levels

01:20:59.080 of enthusiasm

01:20:59.720 for that sort of worldview.

01:21:02.040 But we're already seeing

01:21:02.940 that,

01:21:03.220 you know,

01:21:03.420 this high tax,

01:21:04.800 high spend state

01:21:05.880 isn't working.

01:21:06.680 And it's already failing.

01:21:08.080 We're seeing,

01:21:08.660 you know,

01:21:09.020 FTSE 100 companies,

01:21:10.600 big blue chip companies

01:21:11.480 leaving the UK stock market

01:21:14.540 and going enlisting

01:21:15.260 in Europe,

01:21:15.780 going enlisting

01:21:16.340 in America.

01:21:17.800 So,

01:21:18.280 we're going to,

01:21:19.480 you know,

01:21:19.680 we don't realise

01:21:20.640 the sort of dividend

01:21:21.260 we get from London

01:21:22.920 being a sort of financial hub.

01:21:24.860 When that sort of

01:21:25.920 starts evaporating

01:21:27.140 to other more,

01:21:28.720 you know,

01:21:29.060 freer,

01:21:29.880 lower tax countries,

01:21:31.320 I think people

01:21:31.960 are really going

01:21:32.440 to have to wake up.

01:21:33.000 It'll be like the 70s again

01:21:34.540 when we had to have,

01:21:35.840 you know,

01:21:36.040 Margaret Thatcher,

01:21:37.320 who's like the Malay 1.00

01:21:38.300 of our time.

01:21:39.420 Honestly,

01:21:39.920 I think things have gone

01:21:40.860 so far the other way

01:21:41.920 that,

01:21:42.160 you know,

01:21:42.460 people in the Falklands

01:21:43.500 would like it

01:21:44.060 if Argentina...

01:21:45.020 Well,

01:21:46.360 it's a very good point.

01:21:47.300 And so Leo and I

01:21:48.240 are basically excited

01:21:49.180 about cutting welfare

01:21:50.240 and benefits

01:21:50.800 for all the poor people.

01:21:51.620 What are you excited about?

01:21:53.440 Go for it.

01:21:54.020 What about,

01:21:54.740 you know,

01:21:54.980 the idea of having,

01:21:56.080 I mean,

01:21:56.360 I do genuinely believe

01:21:57.040 Kemi Badenoch

01:21:57.680 as Conservative Party leader

01:21:58.620 is a really

01:21:59.280 interesting step forward.

01:22:01.040 I think she's a far

01:22:01.840 more interesting individual

01:22:03.220 than the Conservatives

01:22:04.260 have had for ages.

01:22:05.300 Why?

01:22:05.880 Why?

01:22:06.360 Because she's been excellent

01:22:07.260 on social justice issues.

01:22:08.840 She understands the culture war.

01:22:10.160 She also understands

01:22:10.760 how the culture war

01:22:11.420 can swing elections.

01:22:12.700 And no one seems

01:22:13.220 to have grasped that.

01:22:13.940 I mean,

01:22:14.100 in America,

01:22:14.560 you've seen,

01:22:15.120 you know,

01:22:15.320 the most popular advert

01:22:16.460 that Donald Trump had

01:22:17.320 was the one about

01:22:18.040 Kamala Harris is for they,

01:22:19.480 them,

01:22:19.740 Donald Trump is for you.

01:22:21.060 And all of the studies

01:22:21.860 into that,

01:22:22.420 yeah,

01:22:22.680 it's a good catchphrase,

01:22:23.420 isn't it?

01:22:23.760 All of the studies

01:22:24.420 into that showed

01:22:25.160 that when that advert

01:22:26.280 was shown,

01:22:26.720 it actuated a shift.

01:22:27.720 I think it was like

01:22:28.480 a three-point shift

01:22:29.340 in each case.

01:22:30.380 So like for ages,

01:22:31.640 people have been saying

01:22:32.200 that the culture war

01:22:32.960 doesn't matter,

01:22:34.000 you know,

01:22:34.160 but actually it does.

01:22:35.900 And, you know,

01:22:36.540 as we've been discussing

01:22:37.300 with puberty blockers,

01:22:38.160 that, you know,

01:22:38.420 she's been on that issue

01:22:39.320 for a long time.

01:22:40.200 She's understood the problems

01:22:41.540 with unchecked migration.

01:22:44.040 I just think it's,

01:22:44.880 I just think she's

01:22:45.420 a far more interesting person

01:22:46.500 and she's someone

01:22:47.360 who can hold people

01:22:47.980 to account when it comes

01:22:49.700 to debates and PMQs.

01:22:50.780 And I just think

01:22:51.120 that's more interesting

01:22:51.720 than having,

01:22:52.260 well,

01:22:53.280 Sunak or Truss or,

01:22:54.220 Well,

01:22:54.580 she'll be on the show soon.

01:22:55.720 So we'll see about

01:22:57.120 testing some of those theories.

01:22:58.660 What about you, Francis?

01:22:59.980 What I'm really excited about

01:23:01.600 is a political realignment

01:23:02.640 we can see in America.

01:23:03.680 Because one thing

01:23:04.300 I don't think

01:23:04.860 we're talking about enough

01:23:05.920 is that you actually look

01:23:07.520 at the Trump cabinet

01:23:08.400 for want of a better way

01:23:09.360 of putting it.

01:23:10.380 And these are people

01:23:11.200 like Tulsi Gabbard,

01:23:12.280 RFK Jr.,

01:23:13.340 Elon Musk,

01:23:14.240 Donald Trump.

01:23:15.200 And you look at them

01:23:16.180 and you would have,

01:23:17.040 10 years ago,

01:23:17.920 you would,

01:23:18.180 they wouldn't even have been

01:23:19.400 on the same,

01:23:20.860 you're on the same team.

01:23:21.940 No, they would have been

01:23:22.780 on the Democrats.

01:23:23.720 Yeah, yeah.

01:23:24.320 They would have been

01:23:24.740 on the Democrats.

01:23:25.480 But if you,

01:23:25.820 but if you take particularly

01:23:27.260 RFK Jr.

01:23:28.800 in health,

01:23:29.480 I mean,

01:23:29.820 it's anti-corporate

01:23:31.420 in many ways.

01:23:32.080 It's taking on the corporates.

01:23:33.860 And I find that

01:23:34.640 really interesting.

01:23:36.120 And what I find

01:23:37.240 particularly heartening

01:23:38.080 is he's talking about

01:23:39.480 getting Americans 0.68

01:23:40.620 to be healthier.

01:23:41.740 Because American

01:23:42.820 and the obesity problem

01:23:44.180 over there

01:23:44.640 is a real ticking time bomb.

01:23:46.340 And they need to tackle it.

01:23:47.620 And the fact that

01:23:48.280 it's now become mainstream,

01:23:49.280 the fact that he's talking

01:23:50.780 about wanting Americans 0.93

01:23:51.640 to be healthier,

01:23:52.880 tackling big food

01:23:54.980 and try and get them

01:23:56.040 to produce

01:23:57.260 better,

01:23:58.120 healthier food

01:23:58.640 for Americans.

01:23:59.560 I see that

01:24:00.320 as a real beacon of hope

01:24:01.300 and I hope that

01:24:02.080 they can do something

01:24:03.060 because obesity

01:24:04.400 in this country as well

01:24:05.920 is a terrible thing.

01:24:07.260 Although he's making

01:24:07.900 the McDonald's chips

01:24:08.800 non-vegetarian.

01:24:10.640 He said they need

01:24:11.140 to be cooked in tallow.

01:24:12.960 So that's not really fair.

01:24:13.800 Yeah, they'll taste better.

01:24:15.420 And vegetarians

01:24:16.100 won't want to eat them,

01:24:16.860 therefore they'll become healthier.

01:24:17.960 That's true.

01:24:18.800 And vegans.

01:24:19.400 And the other one

01:24:20.820 is of course

01:24:21.180 the Department of Government

01:24:22.540 or what's it called?

01:24:23.840 Doge.

01:24:24.380 Department of Government

01:24:25.080 Efficiency.

01:24:25.760 So I think that's amazing.

01:24:27.620 So is it Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy?

01:24:31.080 Yeah.

01:24:31.420 And they've put a limit on it,

01:24:32.740 haven't they?

01:24:32.960 They've said

01:24:33.300 we're going to do this job

01:24:34.980 and then disband

01:24:36.560 the department.

01:24:38.420 Fire ourselves.

01:24:39.540 Fire ourselves.

01:24:40.040 It's a great idea.

01:24:40.640 It's going to be

01:24:41.040 an exciting year.

01:24:41.880 Gentlemen,

01:24:42.220 thank you so much

01:24:42.900 for being back on the show.

01:24:44.260 Always a pleasure

01:24:44.880 to see you both.

01:24:46.060 Where should people

01:24:46.940 find out about the work

01:24:48.240 that you're doing

01:24:49.000 off in America?

01:24:50.300 Well,

01:24:50.600 I don't quite.

01:24:51.880 Yeah,

01:24:52.280 I am a traitor.

01:24:53.760 I don't quite know yet,

01:24:54.820 but I think just

01:24:55.580 if you follow my substack,

01:24:57.180 I'll probably keep people posted

01:24:58.260 about what I'm doing

01:24:58.900 because I don't even know

01:24:59.820 really what I'm doing yet.

01:25:01.040 I'm working on a sitcom

01:25:01.860 and various other projects

01:25:03.700 out there.

01:25:04.220 Super exciting.

01:25:04.720 Where should people

01:25:05.180 follow you, Leo?

01:25:05.860 I've got a YouTube channel.

01:25:07.460 So there's probably,

01:25:08.440 can you put a link down there?

01:25:10.180 All right,

01:25:10.560 there's a link down there.

01:25:11.540 Leo Kearse's YouTube channel.

01:25:13.980 Oh yeah,

01:25:14.520 do the link thing for me as well.

01:25:15.680 If you like stuff like that.

01:25:16.680 You don't have a YouTube channel.

01:25:17.480 I've got a substack.

01:25:18.420 They have links.

01:25:18.960 Yeah,

01:25:19.120 he's got a very good substack as well.

01:25:21.140 We'll put it both in.

01:25:21.840 All the audience have left already.

01:25:22.940 Also,

01:25:23.320 I've got a GB News show

01:25:25.200 and stuff like that as well.

01:25:26.320 But please take me to America

01:25:27.560 as well, Andrew.

01:25:28.240 Yeah,

01:25:28.400 I wanted to do that.

01:25:29.020 Okay,

01:25:29.280 brilliant.

01:25:29.900 All right.

01:25:30.500 Thanks for watching.

01:25:31.360 Thanks for listening.

01:25:32.080 Merry Christmas

01:25:32.640 and we will see you in 2025.

01:25:34.980 Feliz Navidad

01:25:35.640 y propero año nuevo

01:25:36.940 to our three Latin viewers.

01:25:38.600 Go home.

01:25:39.980 We're already here,

01:25:40.800 mate.

01:25:40.980 There's nothing you can do.

01:25:47.480 There's nothing you can do.

01:25:48.880 There's nothing you can do.

01:25:50.340 There's nothing you can do.

01:25:51.760 Yeah.

01:25:52.040 There's nothing you can do.

01:25:52.680 It doesn't matter.

01:25:56.220 Here's ahas Car.

01:25:56.520 What I'm just saying it's better,

01:25:57.020 I feel my best Mr.

TRIGGERnometry - December 29, 2024

End of Year Review 2024 with Andrew Doyle and Leo Kearse

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