TRIGGERnometry - Ex-Police Detective Reacts to UK Riots

00:00:00.720 Terminal 2, Manchester Airport, that raised tensions hugely.

00:00:09.000 All of that laid the fuse.

00:00:12.000 We then fast forward to the dreadful events at Southport.

00:00:16.340 The spark that lit the fuse, disinformation on social media.

00:00:23.180 And any senior police officer could have seen that and dealt with that and gone public.

00:00:29.080 If you don't tell the truth, people think it's being suppressed.

00:00:33.000 Social cohesion is hanging by a thread.

00:00:36.840 Following the logic of what you're saying, this is going to get worse.

00:00:40.660 And that's where we're at.

00:00:43.780 Peter, great to have you on the show with all your policing experience.

00:00:47.500 And also you do a lot of social commentary now.

00:00:49.680 You policed the Brixton riots.

00:00:51.480 You've been working undercover with gangs, etc.

00:00:54.480 What have you made?

00:00:55.180 It's exactly a week since the stabbing attack in Southport.

00:00:58.540 What have you made of it in the last week?

00:01:02.140 Well, that, of course, was utterly ghastly.

00:01:07.120 Three girls.

00:01:08.320 I mean, sort of first day out of summer holidays.

00:01:11.660 I'm a parent of three.

00:01:12.900 The summer holidays come along.

00:01:14.740 You think, okay, what are we going to do with them?

00:01:17.280 What activities are we going to do?

00:01:18.760 Where are we going to play sport?

00:01:19.900 Are we going to go fishing?

00:01:20.920 My three were all boys.

00:01:21.960 But an equivalent kind of thing, perhaps, for girls.

00:01:25.980 You find something they're going to enjoy.

00:01:28.560 And I can just imagine the excitement and the joy these children must have had on going to a Taylor Swift-themed event.

00:01:41.780 You know, the biggest megastar in the world, isn't she?

00:01:45.680 And people just adore her.

00:01:47.600 She's such a thing.

00:01:48.840 And they go to that.

00:01:49.760 And for it to end in such utter, abject horror, bloodshed, loss of young, precious, beautiful lives.

00:01:59.780 It was ghastly, truly ghastly.

00:02:03.600 And there's people still in hospital now, extremely seriously injured.

00:02:09.580 And, of course, the nation were utterly horrified and I guess remained so.

00:02:16.720 And what's happened from then is, you know, we can talk about police communication and whatever, but we can see that there's been a lot of tension bubbling under the surface in this country for a long time now.

00:02:32.500 And it is spilling out onto the streets into pretty horrific scenes.

00:02:36.840 I would think as a particular retired officer, seeing whatever you think about the motivations of the people and whatever, just the fact that police officers are having bricks thrown at them and all of that must be really awful to see.

00:02:49.460 Yeah, dreadful.

00:02:51.060 Utterly dreadful.

00:02:52.320 And anybody who engages in that kind of criminality, I'll be polite, is an idiot and should desist immediately.

00:03:00.100 It's not going to achieve anything apart from many, many people get in very lengthy jail terms.

00:03:07.560 The establishment comes down very hard when we have rioting.

00:03:11.660 Just go and ask anybody who got nicked in 2011 when some very hefty jail terms were handed down.

00:03:18.880 And if we look at the images of complete idiots trying to set fire to that Holiday Inn in Tamworth the other night,

00:03:27.460 arson with intent to endanger life carries a maximum punishment of life imprisonment.

00:03:36.320 There are going to be huge jail terms handed down if those people are identified, charged and convicted.

00:03:44.380 And they will only have themselves to blame.

00:03:46.600 Many, many people are going to have a lot of time in a jail cell to reflect about their actions.

00:03:54.360 And we've already seen some people, apparently there was a fellow appeared in court today and was asking for his mum or something and was booing in court.

00:04:03.140 You know, act in haste, repent at leisure.

00:04:08.120 But I fundamentally don't think the whole, shall I say, very robust language that we've seen from the Prime Minister and ministers,

00:04:20.420 I don't think that's really going to be, well, it's falling on deaf ears at the moment,

00:04:25.220 so it's not having the right effect, and I think a more, and I'll explain this if I may, if that's okay,

00:04:32.720 I think a more conciliatory approach would be much, much better.

00:04:39.280 But I better explain myself before, you know, people start kicking me to death on social media, so to speak.

00:04:48.120 And can I rewind a bit?

00:04:49.540 Can I actually speak about why I think we're at where we're at?

00:04:53.040 We're at, and it's not going to be a massive history lesson.

00:04:56.480 We're only going to go back to the 23rd of July.

00:04:59.600 Take your time.

00:05:00.900 The thing we really try to get on the show is the context, the depth, where this has all come from.

00:05:06.720 So we definitely want to talk about that.

00:05:08.840 So take your time.

00:05:09.540 Don't rush.

00:05:10.220 Thank you.

00:05:10.760 Thank you.

00:05:11.640 You nailed it when you said tensions have been bubbling under for a long time.

00:05:15.240 Yeah.

00:05:15.860 And all right, let's go back a bit further.

00:05:17.600 Many, many people think that they didn't get the Brexit they voted for.

00:05:23.760 And let's face it, Brexit was so much about immigration.

00:05:27.700 And clearly, since 2016, there's been almost unfettered migration into the UK, which a lot of people feel very strongly about.

00:05:39.080 We can't deny this.

00:05:40.900 Since 2001, actually.

00:05:42.420 But yes.

00:05:42.780 Yeah, indeed.

00:05:44.800 And in many parts of the country, the demographic has changed beyond all recognition.

00:05:52.440 There are certain communities that are not integrated into what many perceive as the British way of life.

00:06:02.060 Now, I don't mean to say that people have got to roast beef on a Sunday and play cricket and that kind of stuff.

00:06:08.440 But many people, and it's true, some communities are not integrated.

00:06:13.920 Certain communities forbid their women from speaking English, for example.

00:06:21.160 Now, that's not integration in any way, shape or form.

00:06:25.160 And it's very unfortunate because it does not help.

00:06:29.600 So all those tensions that have been bubbling under for many people.

00:06:32.800 Can I just interrupt you there?

00:06:34.720 Because I think it's important that we speak plainly.

00:06:38.080 When you're saying certain communities, what communities do we actually mean?

00:06:41.580 Who are these communities?

00:06:42.960 Certain sections of the Bangladeshi community in East London, and certain men within that forbid their women from speaking English.

00:06:51.580 I was in East London last night, actually, at one point, on a bit of a jolly up, a leave-in do for someone.

00:06:59.360 But I spent quite a bit of time talking to a group of Bangladeshi businessmen, some of whom had flown over to the UK on a short holiday to see relatives,

00:07:08.660 and others who were established in East London and had businesses and all of that.

00:07:12.320 And I've got to tell you, judging by the look of them, you'd like to have been a pound note behind some of these guys.

00:07:16.640 They were obviously some of them, very astute businessmen, and they're all in a booze, having a drink and a chat, this, that, and the other.

00:07:22.140 I've got nattering to them.

00:07:23.520 I'm that kind of person.

00:07:25.420 I do enjoy talking to people.

00:07:28.220 And, of course, there are Asian communities that are not integrated.

00:07:35.480 Brown-faced people that don't dress like us and do not integrate with us.

00:07:41.880 And, of course, they are invariably followers of Islam.

00:07:46.640 Let's not be around the bush, as you say.

00:07:50.320 So all those simmering tensions have kind of manifested themselves very recently in the Reform Party getting over 4 million votes, for example.

00:08:04.320 And Reform essentially were on a platform of migration issues.

00:08:09.740 And clearly that chimes with over 4 million people who voted for them.

00:08:13.540 So this is not a tiny minority of people who have concerns about immigration.

00:08:21.840 And, again, to flesh that out, I know we said please take your time and please do take your time.

00:08:26.040 But just to flesh that out, actually, for two decades now, successive governments have been elected on the promise of reducing immigration to the tens of thousands.

00:08:35.000 So reform is perhaps a more hard-line position.

00:08:39.900 But I think it's important for people to understand in the context of this discussion that actually the majority of the British public have consistently voted against mass immigration on the scale that we've seen.

00:08:51.780 Cameron, didn't he say he was going to get it under 100,000 all those years ago?

00:08:55.320 So, you know, fail, fail, fail, come all the way up to Sunak, stop the boats, utter nonsense.

00:09:01.400 The boats are still arriving on a daily basis, weather permitting.

00:09:05.780 So it's not been tackled, clearly.

00:09:08.980 Right.

00:09:09.320 And many people, many very decent, reasonable, hardworking, moderate mainstream people who raise wonderful kids,

00:09:19.740 who go on to contribute to society, and these people would never break the law, pay their taxes, pillars of communities,

00:09:29.740 length and breadth of the country, harbour concerns about immigration, and also harbour concerns about the rise of Islam in the UK.

00:09:39.140 Thoroughly decent people.

00:09:41.240 But, of course, there are lazy politicians who will take out their big, broad brush and paint them all as being far right.

00:09:58.020 When many of them, I'm sure, probably voted Labour as well in the last general election and all that stuff.

00:10:02.880 I'm sure there's many people that voted Labour last time round that harbour concerns about the rise of Islam and unfettered migration.

00:10:11.240 But you all get painted with that brush as being far right.

00:10:14.600 So much so that people are afraid to have sensible conversations, within which there is not a scintilla of racism.

00:10:28.340 Not a trace that people are afraid to have those conversations, because it is very easy for lazy politicians

00:10:38.980 and rampant left-wingers to go, racist, racist, when it's complete, utter nonsense.

00:10:47.920 I don't have to prove my credentials to anyone about race, so I'm not going to go on about friends and family and this, that and the other.

00:10:56.280 I've got nothing to prove to anyone.

00:10:57.980 Although I do know people who are married to people who have migrated into the UK, who have concerns about the rise of Islam and unfettered migration.

00:11:10.760 I came here in 1996.

00:11:13.320 In 1996, 55,000 people a year came into this country.

00:11:17.660 Now we have 50,000 people coming into this country illegally every year.

00:11:22.040 So the number of people that came legally the year I came is now coming here illegally.

00:11:27.960 Right?

00:11:28.400 So your point is absolutely right, that there is no reason to suggest...

00:11:32.940 By the way, legal immigrants, quite a lot of them are very concerned about illegal immigration in particular.

00:11:37.420 So in the spirit of having that conversation, no one here is going to call you racist for saying any of that,

00:11:42.500 because it's just a statement of fact.

00:11:45.140 When you say that the events over the course of the last week...

00:11:47.880 Just clarify that.

00:11:48.480 Yeah.

00:11:48.680 You said racist is a statement of fact.

00:11:50.720 I think you need to just clarify what you just said.

00:11:52.420 No, I said no one here is going to call you racist, because everything you've said is a statement of fact.

00:11:57.560 Yeah.

00:11:57.780 That's what I'm saying, right?

00:11:58.680 Yeah, thank you.

00:11:59.280 No worries.

00:11:59.680 So having said that, we've talked briefly at the top about the fact that some of the people committing the criminal acts are atrocious,

00:12:08.900 and they're going to get lengthy sentences.

00:12:10.600 And then we moved on to the tensions bubbling under the surface.

00:12:14.080 So how do you connect those tensions with this particular incident?

00:12:19.620 Because for some time, we didn't know who'd committed this act, right?

00:12:24.860 Yeah.

00:12:25.100 The police, in my opinion, and the government were very, they were not very smart about communicating about the identity of the attacker.

00:12:32.760 It seemed to me like they were trying to conceal it, actually.

00:12:35.180 Agreed.

00:12:35.520 Would you agree with that?

00:12:36.000 Yeah, I'll expand on that.

00:12:37.220 Yeah.

00:12:37.840 So then how do we get from a society in which you say lots of people have concerns about immigration and the lack of integration and the rise of Islam,

00:12:47.480 to riots in the streets of a dozen British cities in which you have people burning things, attacking things.

00:12:54.860 And now also you have Muslim men gathering, arming themselves, and trying to get there and have those fights.

00:13:03.640 How do we get from concerns to that?

00:13:06.400 Terminal 2, Manchester Airport, 23rd of July.

00:13:09.940 That's when the fuse was laid, okay?

00:13:15.100 And by that I mean, first of all, we saw a very short, judiciously edited clip from somebody's phone of a police officer,

00:13:25.860 very ugly, almost impossible, I think, to justify that snapshot of kicking a man and stamping on his head when he was laying on the floor.

00:13:35.620 Ugly, horrible.

00:13:39.920 I could sit here and give you the imaginings of my mind as to how somebody could seek to justify that,

00:13:49.280 but that would just be me as a dramatist of written plays imagining something,

00:13:54.960 so it wouldn't really be necessarily helpful.

00:13:57.240 Let's deal with it as I dealt with it at that time when being asked to comment on it.

00:14:02.020 It looks ugly, and I struggle to find any justification for it.

00:14:08.620 Then, of course, a few days later, we see, I think it was 23 or 26 seconds that preceded that.

00:14:18.480 Ugly, ugly scenes at Manchester Airport,

00:14:22.520 with a couple of brown-skinned men flailing, wildly punching, repeatedly punching police officers,

00:14:31.540 including women, one of whom we understand got a broken nose.

00:14:35.600 We see them getting knocked over and all of that,

00:14:38.440 and we see the lead-in to the first kick-off stamp from that police officer.

00:14:44.160 That raised tensions hugely.

00:14:48.580 Now, I spend quite a lot of time on social media monitoring what's going on.

00:14:58.060 My feed is not solely an echo chamber of what I might think,

00:15:05.000 because I deliberately confuse the algorithms,

00:15:08.200 and also I think it's very interesting and helpful

00:15:11.200 to find out what people who have opposing views to yours are thinking.

00:15:15.820 So I will open up many, many articles and many, many comments

00:15:20.080 that I am diametrically opposed to.

00:15:22.820 So my algorithms keep giving me feeds from all across the political spectrum

00:15:28.120 and all across various news outlets.

00:15:33.300 And there's a lesson there.

00:15:34.540 I wish more people would do it.

00:15:35.720 Otherwise, those algorithms will just turn your social media feed

00:15:39.400 into an echo chamber,

00:15:40.780 and you might end up going deeper into a rabbit hole

00:15:43.140 that you really don't want to get ensnared in.

00:15:44.880 But that really fired up an awful lot of people.

00:15:51.600 The comments, many were dreadful.

00:15:54.980 The tensions were palpable.

00:15:57.740 You could feel the tension in communities

00:16:00.380 through the screen of your phone

00:16:02.300 if you knew where to look and you knew what you were looking for.

00:16:06.300 It was obvious.

00:16:06.880 So many people had a feeling that there was no justice

00:16:13.640 because these men, whilst they'd been arrested,

00:16:15.840 they'd been released on bail.

00:16:18.360 And people were going, well, why haven't they been charged?

00:16:21.380 The evidence is there.

00:16:24.180 Even so, those two clips, the very short one

00:16:27.340 and the longer one that preceded it,

00:16:28.900 still did not paint the full picture

00:16:31.700 of everything that had happened among these people.

00:16:36.120 We know there was an incident in Starbucks

00:16:40.420 in the airport terminal,

00:16:43.020 and there were incidents on an aeroplane

00:16:45.620 that landed at the airport.

00:16:48.200 We haven't seen any of that.

00:16:50.140 So we don't know what preceded

00:16:52.820 even the stuff that we have seen.

00:16:54.600 So the full, clear, accurate picture

00:16:58.540 has not yet been painted.

00:17:02.160 Of course, there is an inquiry,

00:17:06.000 or should I say witch hunt,

00:17:07.940 into whoever released the longer clip

00:17:10.100 of those images of the fighting and what have you.

00:17:13.460 And you can see that somebody, I think,

00:17:15.760 that will have done that

00:17:16.640 might have been very, very frustrated

00:17:19.100 that the only clips anybody was seeing

00:17:22.140 was of that police officer

00:17:23.760 with the kick and the stamp on the head.

00:17:26.700 So maybe that person was motivated to release that

00:17:30.040 because they wanted to add some context

00:17:32.500 and some backstory

00:17:33.700 to what so many people were very swift to condemn.

00:17:38.160 I'd make no adverse comment about that

00:17:40.440 because, as I say, that clip remains ugly

00:17:43.100 and incredibly difficult to justify,

00:17:46.160 if not impossible.

00:17:47.180 But still, being so decontextualised,

00:17:50.280 you'd almost think there should be an inquiry

00:17:51.980 into whoever released the short clip, right?

00:17:54.600 Because that's what's actually started a lot of this

00:17:57.920 because it's not representative of what happened.

00:18:01.000 It may not be justifiable,

00:18:02.820 but nonetheless, there's a bigger context to it.

00:18:04.900 But if we go on and on and on

00:18:06.500 with inquiries into who did this

00:18:08.180 and inquiries who released that

00:18:09.660 and what their motives were,

00:18:11.020 we might as well have an inquiry

00:18:12.380 as to why I'm so scruffily dressed in shorts today.

00:18:15.280 I feel that that's an important thing for us to do.

00:18:18.580 But what I'm saying is

00:18:20.540 this speaks to something

00:18:22.440 we wanted to talk to you about as well,

00:18:24.280 which is the allegation of two-tier policing.

00:18:27.380 The idea that some people get away with things

00:18:30.700 and some other people don't.

00:18:32.260 And this seems like a good example

00:18:34.000 where people are being given a false narrative

00:18:36.860 about what happened.

00:18:37.740 And if you had one of these characters

00:18:42.220 that you see on the streets now

00:18:43.840 punching an armed police officer

00:18:46.660 in an airport in the back of the head

00:18:48.180 or breaking a woman's nose,

00:18:49.520 I don't know that they would have got off on bail.

00:18:52.560 They're already appearing in court.

00:18:54.140 Yeah.

00:18:54.440 They're already people appearing in court.

00:18:56.160 There's 450 arrests so far.

00:18:58.580 Yeah.

00:18:58.860 That figure will be dwarfed as things carry on,

00:19:01.160 especially if they do carry on.

00:19:02.780 Be utterly dwarfed.

00:19:03.780 And I'll get on to the fact as to how the police

00:19:05.920 can't arrest their way out of this, by the way,

00:19:07.920 nor the government at some point.

00:19:10.180 Yeah.

00:19:10.700 And people are already being held in custody

00:19:12.260 and appearing in court the following day.

00:19:14.000 So I have been broadcasting

00:19:16.780 and commenting about

00:19:18.640 what I've called inconsistent policing

00:19:21.780 for over two decades.

00:19:24.860 Just of late,

00:19:26.280 it's now got the name two-tier.

00:19:29.140 It's inconsistent policing.

00:19:30.440 Why is it happening?

00:19:31.120 That's what it is.

00:19:31.840 Well, because policing is, of course,

00:19:35.300 full of people,

00:19:36.320 so it will never be perfect

00:19:37.780 and no two circumstances are ever identical

00:19:42.980 and what may be seen to be a course of action

00:19:47.620 by one police officer

00:19:49.220 might be dealt with rather differently

00:19:51.800 by another police officer.

00:19:54.520 I kind of mourn for the lack of discretion

00:19:58.520 that police officers are allowed these days.

00:20:00.440 I think it was a lot better

00:20:01.500 when individual officers with experience

00:20:04.760 were allowed to exercise their discretion

00:20:07.320 from time to time.

00:20:08.800 I think it did an awful lot

00:20:10.780 for serving the public,

00:20:14.520 but that's kind of like a whole different debate, possibly.

00:20:18.400 So inconsistent policing

00:20:21.840 and it's very relevant

00:20:25.400 to what we're seeing playing out on the streets today

00:20:28.280 when we talk about those inconsistencies in policing.

00:20:32.080 I'll bring myself up to speed.

00:20:34.040 Two-tier policing.

00:20:35.980 Look at Rotherham,

00:20:38.300 Oldham,

00:20:39.480 Rochdale,

00:20:40.560 grooming gang scandals

00:20:42.480 and others

00:20:43.620 where the police

00:20:45.360 didn't go in,

00:20:47.620 didn't give the victims

00:20:48.780 any kind of service,

00:20:50.420 didn't arrest the perpetrators

00:20:51.980 like they should have done.

00:20:53.200 Only some years later

00:20:55.560 and even now as we speak,

00:20:57.880 the National Crime Agency

00:20:59.100 have taken over certain investigations

00:21:01.580 and brought people to justice

00:21:03.980 for the kidnap,

00:21:06.760 plying with alcohol,

00:21:08.180 drugs

00:21:08.620 and then rape

00:21:09.980 of young white girls.

00:21:13.660 And why didn't senior police officers

00:21:15.780 want to go into those areas

00:21:17.900 and arrest people

00:21:19.280 and do what they bloody well

00:21:21.780 should have done?

00:21:23.340 Because they were fearful

00:21:25.400 of being branded racist.

00:21:29.160 And also,

00:21:31.380 they frankly were incompetent

00:21:33.600 and not fit to wear the uniform

00:21:35.440 or carry a warrant card.

00:21:37.420 So,

00:21:38.000 you see those inconsistencies

00:21:40.040 because crimes such as that

00:21:42.540 committed by different demographics

00:21:44.280 in different places

00:21:46.000 would be dealt with

00:21:47.740 very robustly.

00:21:50.560 Then we boil it down

00:21:51.900 as we've just highlighted

00:21:53.140 that investigation

00:21:54.440 into the Manchester airport scenario

00:21:56.520 still ongoing

00:21:58.100 as Greater Manchester Police told us

00:22:00.460 through their press release

00:22:01.920 of the other day.

00:22:02.920 still ongoing

00:22:04.040 and the Independent Office

00:22:06.060 of Police Conduct

00:22:07.220 investigation into the behaviour

00:22:09.180 of the police officer

00:22:10.700 that kicked and stamped

00:22:11.720 still ongoing.

00:22:14.900 Now,

00:22:15.600 I get

00:22:15.960 they have got other work to do.

00:22:18.240 Starbucks

00:22:18.820 that I mentioned.

00:22:20.240 The aeroplane

00:22:20.960 that I mentioned.

00:22:22.160 Is there footage out there?

00:22:23.920 Is there CCTV

00:22:24.800 on the plane?

00:22:26.060 Is there phone footage

00:22:27.740 and all that kind of stuff?

00:22:28.760 I get it.

00:22:29.380 But it really

00:22:31.100 doesn't take weeks

00:22:32.160 and months

00:22:32.760 to do that.

00:22:34.180 It really,

00:22:34.920 really should

00:22:36.040 not.

00:22:38.380 So,

00:22:39.740 brown people

00:22:40.300 bashing up police officers

00:22:41.660 including

00:22:42.160 women police officers,

00:22:44.560 they're released

00:22:45.180 on bail,

00:22:46.140 they're not charged.

00:22:47.920 All of that

00:22:48.740 laid the fuse.

00:22:50.840 Completely laid the fuse.

00:22:52.240 and I went on to social media

00:22:53.820 and I think this is

00:22:55.800 virtually word for word

00:22:57.200 what I said.

00:22:58.440 Social cohesion

00:22:59.520 is hanging by

00:23:01.160 a thread.

00:23:03.300 Suppressing the truth

00:23:04.400 does not help.

00:23:06.940 Don't say

00:23:07.740 I didn't warn you.

00:23:09.020 Words to that effect.

00:23:09.960 I knew it

00:23:10.700 after that

00:23:11.180 Manchester thing.

00:23:12.460 The tensions

00:23:13.240 were palpable.

00:23:15.340 You didn't have to go

00:23:16.620 to

00:23:17.520 Plymouth

00:23:18.620 or Hartlepool

00:23:20.420 or Liverpool

00:23:21.960 or anywhere else

00:23:23.500 where there's been

00:23:24.200 unrest

00:23:25.240 to get it,

00:23:26.960 to see it,

00:23:27.740 to know it,

00:23:28.700 to really have a firm grip

00:23:30.720 on this is what,

00:23:31.880 this is all bubbling under.

00:23:34.200 And where were the police?

00:23:35.800 Where were the politicians?

00:23:37.300 Did they get it?

00:23:38.660 No.

00:23:38.940 Were they across it?

00:23:40.600 Clearly they couldn't have been.

00:23:41.740 Were they monitoring it?

00:23:43.260 Surely not.

00:23:44.020 Otherwise they would have

00:23:44.860 done something about it.

00:23:46.240 They would have gone

00:23:46.980 into these communities

00:23:48.040 and done something

00:23:49.380 to reduce

00:23:50.480 the tensions.

00:23:52.160 But they didn't.

00:23:53.620 So

00:23:54.040 we then fast forward

00:23:55.520 to the dreadful events

00:23:56.660 at Southport.

00:23:59.780 Fuse laid by

00:24:00.640 Manchester Airport.

00:24:02.200 The spark

00:24:03.200 that lit the fuse.

00:24:06.580 Disinformation

00:24:07.220 on social media.

00:24:10.160 That one tweet

00:24:11.080 put out by that

00:24:12.120 bot

00:24:12.640 false account

00:24:13.980 at

00:24:14.940 Channel 3

00:24:15.900 Now

00:24:16.320 I think it was

00:24:17.200 that gave a

00:24:18.960 kind of

00:24:20.000 Muslim-sounding

00:24:21.200 name to a man

00:24:22.440 and said he'd come in

00:24:24.020 on a boat

00:24:24.660 and all this

00:24:25.820 kind of stuff

00:24:26.440 recently

00:24:27.400 and was

00:24:27.940 subject to

00:24:29.420 MI5

00:24:30.680 or MI6

00:24:31.480 interest.

00:24:32.100 completely

00:24:33.660 and utterly

00:24:35.120 fake.

00:24:37.420 And any

00:24:38.300 senior police

00:24:39.180 officer

00:24:39.560 could have

00:24:40.240 seen that

00:24:41.080 and dealt

00:24:42.100 with that

00:24:42.680 and gone

00:24:43.440 public.

00:24:44.540 Get the

00:24:44.960 microphones,

00:24:45.840 get that

00:24:46.240 press conference

00:24:46.940 or do it

00:24:47.800 instantly

00:24:48.340 on your phone

00:24:49.280 and push it

00:24:50.240 out there

00:24:50.660 and go

00:24:51.020 this is

00:24:52.420 fake.

00:24:53.940 This

00:24:54.340 is

00:24:54.980 nonsense.

00:24:56.600 We'll tell you

00:24:57.320 what we can

00:24:58.100 about this

00:24:59.200 person

00:24:59.680 barely mine's

00:25:00.580 17 at the

00:25:01.320 time when

00:25:02.280 we can

00:25:02.800 and therein

00:25:04.280 as well as

00:25:05.700 that tweet

00:25:06.260 being the

00:25:06.740 spark

00:25:07.220 another kind

00:25:08.680 of spark

00:25:09.320 from the

00:25:09.780 flint

00:25:10.200 shall we

00:25:10.560 say

00:25:10.840 came

00:25:11.900 when Chief

00:25:13.000 Constable

00:25:13.720 Serena

00:25:14.560 Kennedy

00:25:15.000 said

00:25:16.560 that the

00:25:17.980 perpetrator

00:25:19.000 lived in

00:25:20.180 Banks

00:25:20.880 an area

00:25:21.740 of Southport

00:25:22.640 and was

00:25:24.240 quote

00:25:25.260 originally

00:25:26.300 from

00:25:27.320 Cardiff.

00:25:28.900 Now I

00:25:29.800 understand

00:25:30.120 this person

00:25:30.700 has been

00:25:31.000 charged

00:25:31.500 of course

00:25:32.000 and I

00:25:32.960 am not

00:25:33.220 going to

00:25:33.400 be held

00:25:33.760 in contempt

00:25:34.320 of court

00:25:34.820 in any

00:25:35.180 way shape

00:25:35.580 or form

00:25:36.040 and I'm

00:25:36.780 not going

00:25:37.080 to be

00:25:37.300 irresponsible

00:25:37.960 to discuss

00:25:38.980 the case

00:25:39.660 or the

00:25:40.360 evidence

00:25:40.860 in any

00:25:41.800 way shape

00:25:42.860 or form

00:25:43.460 other than

00:25:44.120 to say

00:25:44.540 of course

00:25:44.940 how dreadful

00:25:45.580 it is

00:25:45.920 but so

00:25:46.420 I'm not

00:25:47.200 going to

00:25:47.360 do any

00:25:47.660 of that

00:25:47.940 and there's

00:25:48.180 no need

00:25:48.560 for it

00:25:48.980 but I'll

00:25:49.780 focus on

00:25:50.340 what the

00:25:50.880 Chief

00:25:51.100 Constable

00:25:51.540 said

00:25:51.860 originally

00:25:52.960 from

00:25:53.360 Cardiff

00:25:53.920 many

00:25:55.040 people

00:25:55.540 who

00:25:56.240 harbour

00:25:56.640 concerns

00:25:57.580 about

00:25:58.300 lack

00:25:59.320 of

00:25:59.460 integration

00:26:00.040 rise

00:26:00.640 of

00:26:00.800 Islam

00:26:01.200 and

00:26:01.680 unfettered

00:26:02.280 migration

00:26:02.840 all of

00:26:03.760 which we've

00:26:04.180 been speaking

00:26:04.700 about

00:26:05.080 might be

00:26:06.120 my age

00:26:06.820 or my

00:26:07.560 95 year

00:26:08.580 old mum's

00:26:09.280 age

00:26:09.640 and bless her

00:26:10.780 she's still

00:26:11.320 with us

00:26:11.920 many many

00:26:13.960 people

00:26:14.540 millions of

00:26:15.640 people

00:26:16.080 will hear

00:26:17.060 originally

00:26:18.040 from

00:26:18.480 Cardiff

00:26:19.180 and may

00:26:20.340 conjure up

00:26:21.180 an image

00:26:22.180 of a

00:26:22.860 flame-haired

00:26:23.500 rugby

00:26:23.880 player

00:26:24.340 who sings

00:26:25.680 in a

00:26:26.680 youth

00:26:27.320 choir

00:26:27.880 I know

00:26:28.820 they're

00:26:29.300 kind of

00:26:29.780 typically

00:26:30.680 Welsh

00:26:31.660 kind of

00:26:32.300 wonderful

00:26:33.340 things

00:26:33.980 I like

00:26:34.820 flame-haired

00:26:35.360 Welsh rugby

00:26:36.240 players who

00:26:36.740 sing in

00:26:37.140 choirs

00:26:37.560 and all

00:26:38.380 of that

00:26:38.660 but that's

00:26:39.420 what it

00:26:39.680 might have

00:26:40.020 done

00:26:40.260 people

00:26:42.400 are not

00:26:44.420 daft

00:26:45.240 never

00:26:46.160 underestimate

00:26:46.980 your

00:26:47.520 audience

00:26:48.100 that will

00:26:49.000 be seen

00:26:49.500 by many

00:26:50.060 to be

00:26:50.700 sleight of

00:26:51.360 hand

00:26:51.820 but it

00:26:53.280 was sleight

00:26:53.700 of hand

00:26:54.080 yeah

00:26:54.500 I mean

00:26:54.800 it was

00:26:55.220 of course

00:26:55.640 Serena

00:26:56.220 Kennedy

00:26:56.580 if she

00:26:56.960 were here

00:26:57.240 would say

00:26:57.600 it was

00:26:58.540 actually

00:26:58.900 factual

00:26:59.400 and it

00:26:59.920 was true

00:27:00.540 it was

00:27:01.080 factual

00:27:01.540 but also

00:27:02.060 sleight of

00:27:02.460 hand

00:27:02.740 sleight of

00:27:03.420 hand

00:27:03.740 that's what

00:27:04.180 sleight of

00:27:05.580 hand is

00:27:05.900 when you

00:27:06.220 use the

00:27:06.620 facts to

00:27:07.100 tell a

00:27:07.420 false

00:27:07.640 story

00:27:08.020 yeah

00:27:08.440 and so

00:27:09.800 of course

00:27:10.760 that was

00:27:12.400 another spark

00:27:13.260 onto this

00:27:14.180 fuse

00:27:14.680 that then

00:27:15.920 was well

00:27:16.560 and truly

00:27:16.920 lit

00:27:17.300 and has

00:27:17.880 got us

00:27:18.280 to the

00:27:18.680 dreadful

00:27:19.320 situation

00:27:20.380 where we

00:27:20.800 are now

00:27:21.260 with stupid

00:27:22.780 people

00:27:23.260 doing very

00:27:24.600 seriously

00:27:25.800 stupid

00:27:26.800 things

00:27:27.360 and

00:27:28.420 let's

00:27:30.760 touch on

00:27:31.220 what

00:27:31.460 Keir Starmer

00:27:32.140 said

00:27:32.520 do you

00:27:34.060 think

00:27:34.440 that

00:27:34.740 what

00:27:35.420 he's

00:27:36.040 actually

00:27:36.480 done

00:27:37.000 unwittingly

00:27:38.040 has just

00:27:38.640 made

00:27:38.940 things worse

00:27:39.760 with the

00:27:40.680 use of

00:27:41.120 the term

00:27:41.520 far right

00:27:42.120 which we

00:27:42.460 have already

00:27:42.840 spoken

00:27:43.300 about

00:27:43.720 yeah

00:27:44.120 I

00:27:46.200 spend a

00:27:48.320 lot of

00:27:48.540 my time

00:27:49.180 in green

00:27:50.160 rooms for

00:27:50.780 various

00:27:51.340 broadcasters

00:27:52.700 before going

00:27:53.420 on different

00:27:54.500 channels across

00:27:55.320 a very wide

00:27:56.300 range and I

00:27:56.940 have done for

00:27:57.420 many many

00:27:57.800 years

00:27:58.180 so I

00:27:59.180 spend quite a

00:27:59.840 lot of

00:28:00.080 time in

00:28:01.120 the company

00:28:01.560 of special

00:28:02.620 advisors or

00:28:03.780 former special

00:28:04.580 advisors

00:28:05.120 sometimes

00:28:05.980 politicians

00:28:06.880 but a lot

00:28:08.500 of people

00:28:09.020 that

00:28:09.840 eke a

00:28:10.740 living

00:28:10.940 in that

00:28:12.400 Westminster

00:28:12.880 bubble

00:28:13.280 and it

00:28:14.480 is a

00:28:14.860 bubble

00:28:15.120 I've

00:28:16.240 never

00:28:16.960 I've

00:28:19.160 often

00:28:19.560 marveled

00:28:20.560 and shaken

00:28:21.720 my head

00:28:22.440 at how

00:28:23.760 some

00:28:24.720 very

00:28:25.760 unworldly

00:28:27.440 naive

00:28:28.440 people

00:28:29.300 can get

00:28:30.980 a job

00:28:31.540 as a

00:28:32.340 special

00:28:32.880 advisor

00:28:33.900 it

00:28:35.480 astonishes

00:28:36.600 me

00:28:36.940 and they

00:28:37.800 live

00:28:38.280 in that

00:28:39.340 bubble

00:28:39.820 they are

00:28:40.860 unworldly

00:28:42.320 holding a

00:28:43.560 surgery as

00:28:44.320 an MP

00:28:44.760 once a

00:28:45.840 week

00:28:46.120 does not

00:28:46.960 make you

00:28:47.720 worldly

00:28:48.420 when you

00:28:49.480 sit in

00:28:49.940 Westminster

00:28:50.420 for the rest

00:28:51.000 of your

00:28:51.240 time

00:28:51.560 it really

00:28:53.100 doesn't

00:28:54.360 and likewise

00:28:55.760 I find

00:28:57.140 some people

00:28:58.600 in the

00:28:59.640 media

00:29:00.020 quite

00:29:01.100 unworldly

00:29:02.460 so when

00:29:04.780 you throw

00:29:05.500 these things

00:29:06.060 together

00:29:06.420 and particularly

00:29:07.740 senior police

00:29:10.240 officers

00:29:10.820 unworldly

00:29:12.740 and this

00:29:13.500 applies to

00:29:14.040 Westminster

00:29:14.540 and senior

00:29:15.780 policing

00:29:16.280 in fact

00:29:16.780 policing

00:29:17.300 broadly

00:29:17.800 they are

00:29:18.860 echo

00:29:19.320 chambers

00:29:19.900 they are

00:29:21.260 absolute

00:29:22.260 echo

00:29:23.380 chambers

00:29:23.960 where so

00:29:24.960 many people

00:29:25.660 get told

00:29:26.920 what they

00:29:27.780 want to

00:29:28.400 hear

00:29:28.740 rather

00:29:29.840 than what

00:29:30.820 they need

00:29:31.780 to hear

00:29:32.700 very true

00:29:34.460 in policing

00:29:35.660 of course

00:29:37.240 it's a

00:29:37.580 disciplined

00:29:37.920 organisation

00:29:38.520 so voices

00:29:39.800 of dissent

00:29:40.760 are pretty

00:29:42.120 quickly put

00:29:42.820 down

00:29:43.280 but

00:29:43.860 unfortunately

00:29:44.580 so are

00:29:46.020 voices

00:29:46.420 that might

00:29:47.340 have a

00:29:47.620 better idea

00:29:48.320 they tend

00:29:49.780 to get

00:29:50.040 put down

00:29:50.480 as well

00:29:51.040 so Peter

00:29:52.520 because what

00:29:53.700 I wanted

00:29:54.000 to talk to

00:29:54.520 you about

00:29:54.780 especially

00:29:55.260 was the

00:29:56.260 reaction from

00:29:56.960 mainstream

00:29:57.480 politicians

00:29:58.120 where the

00:29:58.600 condemnation

00:29:59.420 of these

00:30:00.220 let's call

00:30:01.380 them what

00:30:01.700 they are

00:30:01.980 the people

00:30:02.480 causing

00:30:03.240 rioting

00:30:04.860 burning

00:30:05.340 places

00:30:05.860 down

00:30:06.180 burning

00:30:06.560 down

00:30:06.860 libraries

00:30:07.380 they're

00:30:08.760 thugs

00:30:09.160 they're

00:30:09.660 thugs

00:30:09.960 and it's

00:30:11.540 abhorrent

00:30:12.160 behaviour

00:30:12.520 and they

00:30:13.100 should be

00:30:13.420 prosecuted

00:30:14.000 to the

00:30:14.380 fullest

00:30:14.600 extent

00:30:15.080 of the

00:30:15.380 law

00:30:15.520 every

00:30:16.120 single

00:30:16.580 rational

00:30:17.340 sane

00:30:17.780 person

00:30:18.180 and

00:30:18.780 everybody

00:30:19.080 in this

00:30:19.560 room

00:30:19.760 agrees

00:30:20.500 with

00:30:20.720 that

00:30:20.920 but then

00:30:22.220 I go

00:30:22.840 on Twitter

00:30:23.440 and then

00:30:24.060 I see

00:30:24.560 groups

00:30:25.200 of

00:30:25.760 Muslim

00:30:26.940 gangs

00:30:27.600 with

00:30:28.740 blades

00:30:29.380 and then

00:30:31.100 I think

00:30:31.880 I saw

00:30:32.240 I think

00:30:32.520 it was a

00:30:32.840 tweet

00:30:33.080 from Jess

00:30:33.700 Phillips

00:30:34.120 saying

00:30:35.120 that

00:30:35.480 oh

00:30:35.800 you know

00:30:36.560 they were

00:30:37.640 just coming

00:30:38.160 out to

00:30:38.580 protect

00:30:39.060 their

00:30:39.520 businesses

00:30:40.560 and whatever

00:30:41.100 else

00:30:41.520 and you're

00:30:42.160 going

00:30:42.340 hang on

00:30:43.060 a minute

00:30:43.340 hang on

00:30:44.140 a second

00:30:44.560 here

00:30:44.880 you can't

00:30:47.020 do that

00:30:47.540 you can't

00:30:48.480 arrest

00:30:48.860 whole groups

00:30:49.640 of

00:30:50.540 white

00:30:52.260 people

00:30:52.760 who are

00:30:53.380 committing

00:30:53.780 acts of

00:30:54.640 violence

00:30:55.180 and vandalism

00:30:56.120 and then

00:30:57.400 when people

00:30:57.960 come out

00:30:58.380 on the

00:30:58.620 street

00:30:58.860 with a

00:30:59.160 blade

00:30:59.380 you're

00:30:59.600 like

00:30:59.820 well

00:31:00.080 yeah

00:31:00.280 but they're

00:31:00.700 just

00:31:00.860 protecting

00:31:01.240 your

00:31:01.400 business

00:31:01.780 or as

00:31:02.380 a police

00:31:02.800 officer

00:31:03.160 was

00:31:03.460 filmed

00:31:04.200 saying to

00:31:05.140 a group

00:31:05.440 of Muslim

00:31:05.900 men

00:31:06.160 the other

00:31:06.480 day

00:31:06.740 just drop

00:31:07.600 your weapons

00:31:08.140 off at

00:31:08.540 the mosque

00:31:09.020 if you've

00:31:09.520 got any

00:31:10.000 right

00:31:10.760 I think

00:31:11.380 that was

00:31:11.680 in Stoke

00:31:12.340 yeah

00:31:13.060 what I was

00:31:14.020 kind of

00:31:14.420 saying about

00:31:14.900 my echo

00:31:15.460 chamber

00:31:15.820 thing

00:31:16.180 was

00:31:16.760 and apologies

00:31:17.620 I was

00:31:17.980 going all

00:31:18.380 the way

00:31:18.620 round the

00:31:19.020 houses

00:31:19.380 was to

00:31:20.260 answer your

00:31:20.740 question about

00:31:21.480 Keir Starmer

00:31:22.240 and the

00:31:23.040 big brush

00:31:23.780 of far

00:31:24.640 right

00:31:24.940 painting

00:31:25.420 when they

00:31:26.520 live in

00:31:26.940 these echo

00:31:27.500 chambers

00:31:28.040 when they

00:31:28.880 are pretty

00:31:29.980 unworldly

00:31:30.940 people

00:31:31.420 and believe

00:31:32.300 you me

00:31:32.640 going on

00:31:33.420 a tour

00:31:34.000 of the

00:31:35.280 country

00:31:35.860 as part

00:31:37.480 of a

00:31:37.780 general

00:31:38.040 election

00:31:38.480 campaign

00:31:39.060 does not

00:31:39.940 make you

00:31:40.420 worldly

00:31:40.840 they're all

00:31:41.920 stage managed

00:31:42.760 everybody's

00:31:43.640 lined up

00:31:44.220 in the right

00:31:45.040 position

00:31:45.480 the right

00:31:46.240 questions

00:31:46.680 are asked

00:31:47.180 and all

00:31:47.780 of that

00:31:48.120 these

00:31:48.840 politicians

00:31:49.420 in the

00:31:50.080 Westminster

00:31:50.480 bubble

00:31:50.860 and the

00:31:51.560 policing

00:31:51.900 bubble

00:31:52.340 are

00:31:53.120 unworldly

00:31:54.700 and have

00:31:55.760 a disconnect

00:31:56.360 and that

00:31:57.420 is why

00:31:58.020 Starmer

00:31:59.320 got it

00:32:00.240 very wrong

00:32:00.980 I think

00:32:01.540 by immediately

00:32:03.140 going

00:32:03.820 far

00:32:04.860 right

00:32:05.780 using

00:32:06.800 that term

00:32:07.820 again

00:32:08.320 it's the

00:32:09.340 laziness

00:32:10.100 of the

00:32:11.280 use of

00:32:11.720 that term

00:32:12.380 and it

00:32:13.460 truly is

00:32:14.580 lazy

00:32:15.500 broad brush

00:32:16.700 very lazy

00:32:17.900 and easy

00:32:19.320 to apply

00:32:19.920 but in

00:32:22.460 doing so

00:32:23.100 it

00:32:23.740 alienates

00:32:24.680 many

00:32:25.500 many

00:32:26.080 people

00:32:26.480 I go

00:32:26.780 back to

00:32:27.180 that point

00:32:27.660 about

00:32:28.360 honest

00:32:29.020 decent

00:32:29.580 hard

00:32:29.960 working

00:32:30.280 wonderful

00:32:30.740 people

00:32:31.160 afraid

00:32:31.880 to sit

00:32:32.420 in a

00:32:32.740 bar

00:32:33.100 for example

00:32:33.880 if this

00:32:34.720 were a

00:32:35.000 pub

00:32:35.300 and I

00:32:35.860 wish it

00:32:36.140 was

00:32:36.360 you know

00:32:37.460 having a

00:32:38.060 conversation

00:32:38.600 because

00:32:39.620 you know

00:32:40.680 a whispering

00:32:41.760 guardianist

00:32:42.540 at the next

00:32:43.720 table

00:32:44.020 might go

00:32:44.500 racist

00:32:45.180 racist

00:32:45.620 racist

00:32:46.140 and people

00:32:47.020 don't want

00:32:47.500 it

00:32:47.660 it's

00:32:48.440 shutting

00:32:49.500 down

00:32:50.100 debate

00:32:50.660 it's

00:32:51.640 shutting

00:32:52.100 down

00:32:52.620 reasoned

00:32:54.080 conversations

00:32:54.740 by going

00:32:56.020 far right

00:32:57.000 racist

00:32:57.900 and I think

00:32:59.380 and I agree

00:33:00.000 with you

00:33:00.340 but let's

00:33:01.040 come back

00:33:01.500 to the

00:33:01.840 point

00:33:02.200 about

00:33:02.820 Jess

00:33:03.720 Phillips

00:33:04.100 because

00:33:04.440 what that

00:33:05.280 says to

00:33:05.880 me

00:33:06.200 and by

00:33:07.400 the way

00:33:07.700 my mother

00:33:08.160 is an

00:33:08.640 immigrant

00:33:08.880 to this

00:33:09.320 country

00:33:09.700 and I'm

00:33:10.900 going

00:33:11.200 well hang

00:33:11.780 on

00:33:11.940 it's one

00:33:12.340 rule for

00:33:12.660 them

00:33:12.900 and another

00:33:13.400 rule for

00:33:13.840 me

00:33:14.040 and that

00:33:15.060 I didn't

00:33:16.220 vote for

00:33:16.680 Labour

00:33:16.960 but that

00:33:18.140 really

00:33:19.540 angers me

00:33:20.680 and frustrates

00:33:22.120 me

00:33:22.420 and if it

00:33:23.300 angers and

00:33:24.220 frustrates me

00:33:25.160 I know that

00:33:26.120 there's going to

00:33:26.560 be a hell of a lot

00:33:27.440 of people

00:33:27.820 watching that

00:33:28.680 who are going

00:33:29.240 to get even

00:33:29.760 more angry

00:33:30.400 and even

00:33:30.900 more frustrated

00:33:31.800 and then

00:33:32.580 there's going

00:33:32.920 to be people

00:33:33.600 above that

00:33:34.600 who are more

00:33:35.100 volatile

00:33:35.480 who think

00:33:36.160 right

00:33:36.440 well

00:33:37.040 I might as

00:33:38.620 well do

00:33:38.940 something then

00:33:39.580 and it feeds

00:33:40.460 in to the

00:33:41.200 two-tier

00:33:41.600 policing thing

00:33:42.380 doesn't it

00:33:42.880 if people

00:33:43.660 then see

00:33:44.640 one group

00:33:46.240 of men

00:33:46.660 being told

00:33:47.360 to drop

00:33:48.000 your weapons

00:33:48.520 off at the

00:33:49.020 mosque

00:33:49.380 and another

00:33:50.500 group of

00:33:51.000 men having

00:33:51.740 their heads

00:33:52.380 slammed into

00:33:53.180 the pavement

00:33:53.760 and handcuffs

00:33:54.640 slapped on

00:33:55.340 again it

00:33:56.360 feeds into

00:33:57.220 two-tier

00:33:58.300 policing

00:33:58.800 inconsistent

00:34:00.100 and people

00:34:01.880 want the

00:34:02.460 law to be

00:34:02.900 applied

00:34:03.300 evenly

00:34:04.280 and

00:34:04.980 consistently

00:34:05.520 that's

00:34:06.460 right

00:34:06.700 so the

00:34:08.000 one thing

00:34:08.360 I wanted

00:34:08.740 to explore

00:34:09.220 with you

00:34:09.520 is I

00:34:09.800 see a

00:34:10.340 lot of

00:34:10.600 people

00:34:10.840 criticising

00:34:11.560 Keir Starman

00:34:12.200 now I

00:34:12.720 am no

00:34:13.100 big fan

00:34:13.640 of Keir

00:34:13.980 Starman

00:34:14.320 but I

00:34:15.500 have to

00:34:15.780 say I

00:34:16.360 think he's

00:34:17.120 done the

00:34:17.800 only thing

00:34:18.200 that he

00:34:18.460 really can

00:34:19.060 do in

00:34:19.400 this situation

00:34:19.900 I'm not

00:34:20.220 saying it's

00:34:20.540 a good

00:34:20.760 thing to

00:34:21.080 do but

00:34:21.560 he has

00:34:22.640 to

00:34:22.940 he's the

00:34:24.060 prime

00:34:24.240 minister of

00:34:24.620 a country

00:34:25.020 that's got

00:34:25.760 riots

00:34:26.200 everywhere

00:34:26.640 he has

00:34:27.700 to crack

00:34:28.180 down on

00:34:28.680 it very

00:34:29.060 hard

00:34:29.400 as you

00:34:29.780 said he

00:34:30.120 will

00:34:30.400 we saw

00:34:31.520 the same

00:34:31.900 thing in

00:34:32.260 2011

00:34:32.780 any prime

00:34:33.900 minister of

00:34:34.300 a country

00:34:34.580 in which

00:34:34.920 this is

00:34:35.260 happening

00:34:35.540 he's going

00:34:35.840 to have

00:34:36.020 to do

00:34:36.280 that

00:34:36.460 and then

00:34:36.800 in terms

00:34:37.480 of the

00:34:37.780 far-right

00:34:38.180 comments

00:34:42.200 are the

00:34:42.640 people

00:34:42.960 who are

00:34:43.360 doing

00:34:43.680 this

00:34:44.240 rioting

00:34:44.960 are we

00:34:45.760 saying that

00:34:46.240 loads of

00:34:46.740 them are

00:34:47.620 normal

00:34:48.580 decent

00:34:48.960 hard-working

00:34:49.560 ordinary

00:34:49.880 people

00:34:50.280 no of course

00:34:50.920 they're not

00:34:51.240 so then

00:34:52.020 I guess

00:34:52.680 I don't know

00:34:53.820 how else he

00:34:54.260 could have

00:34:54.500 handled it

00:34:55.060 I suppose

00:34:55.540 is what

00:34:55.820 I'm asking

00:34:56.160 and our

00:34:56.800 viewers will

00:34:57.180 be surprised

00:34:57.680 at me

00:34:58.020 standing up

00:34:58.580 for Keir

00:34:58.880 Starmer

00:34:59.180 but I

00:35:00.140 sort of

00:35:00.440 am I

00:35:00.720 think

00:35:00.960 there's a

00:35:01.660 very apt

00:35:03.180 word

00:35:03.880 that could

00:35:04.660 be used

00:35:05.120 for all

00:35:05.500 of them

00:35:05.840 and it's

00:35:07.040 far better

00:35:07.880 than far

00:35:08.920 right

00:35:09.220 than it

00:35:09.820 is

00:35:10.020 criminals

00:35:10.480 criminals

00:35:11.340 conducting

00:35:12.340 criminal

00:35:13.400 behaviour

00:35:14.300 the temperature

00:35:15.900 needs to be

00:35:16.420 taken out

00:35:16.960 of where

00:35:17.280 we're at

00:35:17.620 we don't

00:35:18.840 need to

00:35:19.300 quite

00:35:20.040 you know

00:35:21.960 make things

00:35:22.980 worse

00:35:23.280 I was going

00:35:23.620 to say

00:35:23.840 fuel to

00:35:24.340 the fire

00:35:24.820 you know

00:35:25.060 what I

00:35:25.280 mean

00:35:25.460 but we

00:35:25.800 don't need

00:35:26.540 to make

00:35:26.820 things worse

00:35:27.420 we don't

00:35:28.100 need anybody

00:35:29.020 stoking

00:35:30.240 the temperature

00:35:31.340 we need

00:35:32.560 voices

00:35:33.320 of reason

00:35:34.660 and calm

00:35:36.580 and truth

00:35:37.900 telling

00:35:38.260 if you don't

00:35:39.540 tell the truth

00:35:40.160 people think

00:35:40.840 it's being

00:35:41.220 suppressed

00:35:41.720 and then

00:35:42.800 people will

00:35:43.480 kind of

00:35:44.080 be irritated

00:35:45.440 by that

00:35:46.120 and the

00:35:46.820 whole

00:35:47.160 far right

00:35:48.300 and racist

00:35:49.460 conversation

00:35:50.240 name calling

00:35:51.480 and all of

00:35:52.640 that

00:35:52.960 is

00:35:54.120 out of

00:35:55.320 the

00:35:55.520 post-war

00:35:56.900 stasi

00:35:58.060 communist

00:35:59.060 playbook

00:35:59.940 stop

00:36:01.260 conversations

00:36:02.440 don't let

00:36:03.660 people have

00:36:04.220 conversations

00:36:04.920 don't let

00:36:06.180 them discuss

00:36:06.960 an alternative

00:36:08.160 view

00:36:08.820 and again

00:36:10.320 it's damaging

00:36:11.120 to the

00:36:11.640 millions of

00:36:12.200 people who

00:36:13.120 harbour the

00:36:13.600 concerns

00:36:14.120 that we've

00:36:14.960 spoken about

00:36:15.640 I guess

00:36:16.680 because the

00:36:18.000 other thing

00:36:18.480 is with

00:36:18.820 those

00:36:19.080 riots

00:36:20.100 is there

00:36:20.980 are far

00:36:21.500 right people

00:36:22.160 in there

00:36:22.720 there are

00:36:23.620 people who

00:36:24.240 are racist

00:36:24.900 who you know

00:36:26.200 who despite

00:36:26.660 doing Nazi

00:36:27.440 salutes

00:36:27.860 yeah

00:36:28.340 I saw

00:36:29.520 this

00:36:29.740 horrendous

00:36:30.580 video

00:36:31.020 it came

00:36:31.400 up on

00:36:31.660 my feed

00:36:32.240 and there

00:36:33.700 was about

00:36:34.060 five or

00:36:34.740 six white

00:36:35.460 guys

00:36:35.900 and there

00:36:36.480 was this

00:36:36.840 black guy

00:36:37.620 and they

00:36:37.920 took turns

00:36:38.540 in beating

00:36:39.180 him

00:36:39.480 it was

00:36:39.860 it was

00:36:40.740 vile

00:36:41.340 just throw

00:36:42.200 him in

00:36:42.520 jail

00:36:42.760 just throw

00:36:43.380 him in

00:36:43.740 jail

00:36:44.040 but my

00:36:45.080 point is

00:36:45.800 if

00:36:47.120 someone goes

00:36:49.160 to me

00:36:49.500 those people

00:36:50.560 are far

00:36:50.940 right

00:36:51.220 I mean

00:36:51.620 I don't

00:36:52.500 want to

00:36:52.740 make a

00:36:53.040 case that

00:36:53.400 they're

00:36:53.600 not

00:36:53.780 I mean

00:36:54.040 that looks

00:36:54.340 like pretty

00:36:54.800 far right

00:36:55.480 to me

00:36:55.980 but what's

00:36:57.480 the point

00:36:57.980 in that

00:37:00.100 political

00:37:01.460 labelling

00:37:02.800 when we've

00:37:03.540 had so

00:37:03.940 many tensions

00:37:04.580 in the

00:37:04.960 country

00:37:05.340 throughout

00:37:06.200 pro-Palestinian

00:37:07.700 marches for

00:37:08.400 example

00:37:08.800 there you go

00:37:09.740 with your

00:37:10.060 two-tier

00:37:10.520 policing

00:37:10.980 accusations

00:37:11.640 again

00:37:12.000 you know

00:37:12.280 they've been

00:37:12.860 thrown around

00:37:14.000 for months

00:37:14.820 and months

00:37:15.180 and months

00:37:15.560 and then you

00:37:16.420 have marches

00:37:17.440 organised by

00:37:18.200 people like

00:37:18.820 Tommy Robinson

00:37:19.740 that are

00:37:20.820 essentially

00:37:21.700 peaceful

00:37:22.260 and I do

00:37:23.200 actually know

00:37:23.760 a lot of

00:37:24.240 very reasonable

00:37:25.320 aforementioned

00:37:26.540 decent people

00:37:27.340 that have

00:37:27.660 gone on

00:37:28.020 those marches

00:37:28.760 and they

00:37:29.540 are not

00:37:30.220 far right

00:37:31.780 you know

00:37:32.520 some of them

00:37:33.320 voted Labour

00:37:34.160 you can vote

00:37:35.260 Labour

00:37:35.600 and still go

00:37:36.660 on one of

00:37:37.120 those marches

00:37:37.880 and still

00:37:38.820 have a union

00:37:39.380 flag draped

00:37:40.160 round your

00:37:40.540 shoulders

00:37:40.920 and still

00:37:42.000 be patriotic

00:37:43.080 without being

00:37:44.500 far right

00:37:45.520 it's very

00:37:47.280 unhelpful

00:37:48.460 lazy

00:37:49.300 and often

00:37:50.620 inaccurate

00:37:51.500 labelling

00:37:52.080 so you

00:37:53.180 mentioned

00:37:53.560 several things

00:37:54.320 which seem

00:37:55.320 to be

00:37:55.940 somewhat

00:37:56.260 in contradiction

00:37:56.880 perhaps

00:37:57.240 I misunderstood

00:37:57.700 but you

00:37:58.220 said

00:37:58.600 in terms

00:37:59.420 of these

00:37:59.740 people

00:38:00.080 throw them

00:38:00.540 in prison

00:38:00.900 which I

00:38:01.460 think

00:38:01.600 everybody

00:38:01.880 agree

00:38:02.200 with

00:38:02.400 but you

00:38:02.880 also

00:38:03.140 mentioned

00:38:03.520 that

00:38:03.800 the

00:38:04.360 government

00:38:04.920 and the

00:38:05.280 authorities

00:38:05.620 are not

00:38:05.940 going to be

00:38:06.160 able to

00:38:06.440 arrest their

00:38:06.900 way out

00:38:07.180 of this

00:38:07.460 problem

00:38:07.980 yeah

00:38:08.420 no contradiction

00:38:09.940 there

00:38:10.340 tell me

00:38:10.960 why

00:38:11.220 no

00:38:11.700 contradiction

00:38:12.220 there

00:38:12.560 because

00:38:13.080 they won't

00:38:14.040 be able

00:38:14.360 to arrest

00:38:14.920 their way

00:38:15.300 out of

00:38:15.580 this

00:38:15.740 problem

00:38:16.060 if

00:38:16.840 this

00:38:17.260 disorder

00:38:17.780 continues

00:38:18.820 okay

00:38:19.300 okay

00:38:19.800 they are

00:38:20.680 simply

00:38:21.120 not

00:38:21.460 because

00:38:21.800 whilst

00:38:22.780 today

00:38:23.140 they're

00:38:23.680 very keen

00:38:24.100 on releasing

00:38:24.560 numbers

00:38:25.020 the police

00:38:25.440 they love

00:38:25.780 doing it

00:38:26.160 450 arrests

00:38:27.700 I believe

00:38:28.140 so far

00:38:28.640 when I left

00:38:29.460 home

00:38:29.700 that number

00:38:30.220 will have

00:38:30.540 been superseded

00:38:31.280 by now

00:38:31.800 and that

00:38:32.680 number

00:38:33.040 will be

00:38:34.080 trumped

00:38:34.700 time and

00:38:35.240 time again

00:38:35.840 in the

00:38:37.100 coming

00:38:37.360 days

00:38:38.040 weeks

00:38:38.460 and months

00:38:39.280 some of

00:38:40.000 these

00:38:40.140 investigations

00:38:40.740 will

00:38:41.180 unfortunately

00:38:41.640 take a

00:38:42.120 long time

00:38:42.580 because of

00:38:43.520 the sheer

00:38:44.260 number

00:38:45.020 of them

00:38:45.420 if

00:38:47.140 this

00:38:48.000 dreadful

00:38:48.900 unrest

00:38:49.540 continues

00:38:50.440 if

00:38:51.500 as we

00:38:52.300 saw

00:38:52.580 yesterday

00:38:53.080 groups

00:38:54.040 of

00:38:54.320 brown

00:38:55.080 skinned

00:38:55.780 men

00:38:56.220 masked

00:38:57.400 up

00:38:57.840 hooded

00:38:58.720 up

00:38:59.120 mobilising

00:39:00.360 themselves

00:39:00.960 some of

00:39:02.120 them

00:39:02.300 arming

00:39:02.900 themselves

00:39:03.660 in

00:39:04.640 essence

00:39:05.060 looking

00:39:06.200 for

00:39:06.660 conflict

00:39:07.240 not

00:39:08.340 you know

00:39:09.860 joining

00:39:10.200 arms

00:39:10.700 around

00:39:11.240 a mosque

00:39:11.780 but out

00:39:12.560 on the

00:39:12.840 streets

00:39:13.100 looking

00:39:13.640 for

00:39:13.900 conflict

00:39:14.420 if we

00:39:15.420 then see

00:39:16.180 groups

00:39:17.260 of

00:39:17.920 white

00:39:18.240 men

00:39:18.540 doing

00:39:19.460 exactly

00:39:19.900 the

00:39:20.140 same

00:39:20.540 there

00:39:21.560 will

00:39:22.060 be

00:39:22.660 dreadful

00:39:23.840 shocking

00:39:25.100 irreparable

00:39:26.840 damage

00:39:29.180 to

00:39:29.600 property

00:39:30.720 and

00:39:31.460 lack of

00:39:31.740 life

00:39:32.100 and we

00:39:33.640 don't

00:39:33.880 want

00:39:34.100 that

00:39:34.340 we've

00:39:35.400 got

00:39:35.680 to

00:39:35.980 take

00:39:36.320 the

00:39:36.660 heat

00:39:36.960 out

00:39:37.280 of

00:39:37.440 this

00:39:37.720 so

00:39:38.480 what

00:39:38.700 I'm

00:39:38.860 saying

00:39:39.140 is

00:39:39.400 they

00:39:39.840 can't

00:39:40.220 arrest

00:39:40.540 their

00:39:40.720 way

00:39:40.880 out

00:39:41.100 of

00:39:41.220 it

00:39:41.380 if

00:39:41.960 it

00:39:42.100 escalates

00:39:42.780 and

00:39:43.680 we

00:39:43.860 do

00:39:44.200 not

00:39:44.480 want

00:39:44.780 it

00:39:45.000 escalating

00:39:45.740 in

00:39:46.000 any

00:39:46.240 way

00:39:46.400 shape

00:39:46.700 or

00:39:46.880 form

00:39:47.160 I

00:39:47.820 think

00:39:48.480 I

00:39:50.120 hope

00:39:50.440 there's

00:39:51.220 none

00:39:51.400 of it

00:39:51.560 there's

00:39:51.740 no

00:39:51.880 more

00:39:52.240 but

00:39:52.840 but

00:39:53.140 you

00:39:53.820 know

00:39:53.880 we

00:39:54.000 don't

00:39:54.160 have

00:39:54.280 a

00:39:54.400 crystal

00:39:54.680 ball

00:39:55.040 here

00:39:55.220 do we

00:39:55.560 we

00:39:55.720 can't

00:39:56.320 say

00:39:56.620 but it

00:39:57.420 will

00:39:57.600 be

00:39:57.760 impossible

00:39:58.120 they

00:39:58.380 could

00:39:58.540 arrest

00:39:58.880 4,500

00:40:00.240 they

00:40:00.700 could

00:40:00.900 arrest

00:40:01.160 45,000

00:40:02.440 people

00:40:02.880 but the

00:40:03.700 disquire

00:40:04.340 about

00:40:05.620 unfettered

00:40:06.280 migration

00:40:06.800 and the

00:40:07.820 rise of

00:40:08.200 Islam

00:40:08.440 and a

00:40:09.240 lack

00:40:09.400 of

00:40:09.540 integration

00:40:10.020 will

00:40:10.580 still

00:40:10.860 remain

00:40:11.260 well

00:40:11.440 this

00:40:11.640 is

00:40:11.760 what

00:40:11.900 I

00:40:11.980 was

00:40:12.100 going

00:40:12.240 to

00:40:12.340 ask

00:40:12.540 you

00:40:12.700 Peter

00:40:12.860 that's

00:40:13.100 what

00:40:13.220 I

00:40:13.300 mean

00:40:13.460 when I

00:40:13.680 say

00:40:13.800 you

00:40:13.960 can't

00:40:14.120 reach

00:40:14.320 the

00:40:14.440 way

00:40:14.560 out

00:40:14.720 of it

00:40:14.820 this

00:40:15.680 is

00:40:15.760 what I

00:40:15.920 was

00:40:16.020 going

00:40:16.160 to ask

00:40:16.440 you

00:40:16.540 because

00:40:16.900 you

00:40:17.760 talk

00:40:18.040 about

00:40:18.260 the need

00:40:18.560 to take

00:40:19.120 the

00:40:19.260 temperature

00:40:19.580 down

00:40:19.920 and I

00:40:20.200 agree

00:40:20.440 with you

00:40:20.820 no one

00:40:21.400 wants

00:40:21.600 to see

00:40:21.840 this

00:40:22.040 escalate

00:40:22.760 and yet

00:40:23.720 on the

00:40:24.020 other

00:40:24.160 hand

00:40:24.480 I

00:40:25.140 don't

00:40:26.240 what I

00:40:27.940 see

00:40:28.340 is

00:40:29.120 these

00:40:30.380 people

00:40:30.740 who've

00:40:31.060 been

00:40:31.360 doing

00:40:32.300 the

00:40:32.500 criminal

00:40:32.800 damage

00:40:33.300 and going

00:40:33.760 out

00:40:34.000 on the

00:40:34.260 street

00:40:34.540 they're

00:40:35.460 going

00:40:35.580 to get

00:40:35.820 arrested

00:40:36.220 they're

00:40:37.140 going

00:40:37.240 to get

00:40:37.520 as you

00:40:37.840 said

00:40:38.100 hefty

00:40:38.840 jail

00:40:39.060 sentences

00:40:39.600 let's

00:40:40.980 assume

00:40:41.460 that

00:40:41.900 that gets

00:40:42.660 things to

00:40:43.020 quiet

00:40:43.280 down

00:40:43.660 none

00:40:44.520 of the

00:40:44.900 masked

00:40:45.800 and armed

00:40:46.760 Muslim

00:40:47.260 men

00:40:47.600 that we

00:40:48.020 saw

00:40:48.260 in our

00:40:48.480 videos

00:40:48.760 are being

00:40:49.080 arrested

00:40:49.460 they're not

00:40:50.580 going to

00:40:50.800 get

00:40:50.960 locked

00:40:51.200 up

00:40:51.460 they're

00:40:51.760 not

00:40:51.860 going to

00:40:52.040 get

00:40:52.200 lengthy

00:40:52.520 jail

00:40:52.820 sentences

00:40:53.320 from what

00:40:54.440 we see

00:40:54.980 so far

00:40:55.620 Keir Starmer

00:40:57.100 he's talked

00:40:58.680 about protecting

00:40:59.500 Muslim

00:40:59.940 communities

00:41:00.420 instead of

00:41:00.840 protecting

00:41:01.280 all

00:41:01.720 law

00:41:02.240 abiding

00:41:02.540 people

00:41:02.900 there's

00:41:03.140 a

00:41:03.260 continued

00:41:03.920 divisiveness

00:41:04.580 going

00:41:04.920 on

00:41:05.580 mass

00:41:07.280 immigration

00:41:07.680 is going

00:41:07.980 to continue

00:41:08.520 Islam

00:41:10.620 is going

00:41:11.000 to continue

00:41:11.560 and

00:41:12.200 you know

00:41:13.780 immigration

00:41:14.500 leads to

00:41:15.020 more Islam

00:41:15.540 and on

00:41:16.620 and on

00:41:16.920 and on

00:41:17.120 so

00:41:17.680 even if

00:41:19.460 the

00:41:20.200 government

00:41:20.520 are successful

00:41:21.460 and the

00:41:21.880 police are

00:41:22.340 successful

00:41:22.860 in

00:41:23.760 deterring

00:41:24.860 further

00:41:25.220 criminal

00:41:25.700 activity

00:41:26.280 now

00:41:26.600 with

00:41:26.840 harsh

00:41:27.200 sentences

00:41:27.720 and all

00:41:28.120 of it

00:41:28.640 isn't

00:41:30.080 this

00:41:30.420 forgive me

00:41:31.640 for being

00:41:32.020 pessimistic

00:41:32.560 but I'm

00:41:32.840 just looking

00:41:33.260 at what

00:41:33.600 you're

00:41:33.740 saying

00:41:33.960 in a

00:41:34.200 logical

00:41:34.480 way

00:41:34.820 isn't

00:41:35.740 all we're

00:41:36.200 doing

00:41:36.480 right now

00:41:37.060 is kicking

00:41:38.000 the can

00:41:38.520 down the

00:41:39.000 road

00:41:39.280 so that

00:41:40.140 there's

00:41:41.120 going to

00:41:41.320 be another

00:41:41.740 fuse

00:41:42.280 and another

00:41:42.960 spark

00:41:43.460 and another

00:41:44.160 breakout

00:41:44.820 of violence

00:41:45.360 like this

00:41:45.800 and probably

00:41:46.180 worse

00:41:46.580 you paint

00:41:48.280 a very

00:41:49.740 gloomy

00:41:50.880 picture

00:41:51.480 indeed

00:41:52.420 in terms

00:41:53.600 of the

00:41:54.400 unfettered

00:41:55.120 migration

00:41:56.240 continuing

00:41:56.980 and immigration

00:41:57.800 continuing

00:41:58.460 and all

00:41:59.220 that sort

00:41:59.620 of thing

00:41:59.960 surely

00:42:01.440 surely

00:42:02.820 our politicians

00:42:03.660 have to

00:42:04.740 listen

00:42:05.020 and have

00:42:05.760 to do

00:42:06.060 something

00:42:06.520 but they're

00:42:07.420 all saying

00:42:07.800 this has got

00:42:08.240 nothing to do

00:42:08.760 with immigration

00:42:09.300 they're all

00:42:09.940 saying

00:42:10.300 this is the

00:42:11.160 far right

00:42:11.720 these are just

00:42:12.240 racist people

00:42:12.860 being racist

00:42:13.520 so following

00:42:16.080 the logic

00:42:16.600 of that

00:42:17.160 reality

00:42:17.700 I'm just

00:42:19.160 saying to

00:42:19.600 you

00:42:19.800 I'm not

00:42:20.660 I don't

00:42:21.540 want any

00:42:21.980 of this

00:42:22.220 to happen

00:42:22.700 but following

00:42:23.580 the logic

00:42:24.040 of what

00:42:24.340 you're

00:42:24.500 saying

00:42:24.820 this is

00:42:25.820 going to

00:42:26.000 get worse

00:42:26.540 and that's

00:42:28.940 where we're

00:42:29.360 at

00:42:29.620 and that

00:42:30.940 is a

00:42:31.260 very

00:42:31.520 depressing

00:42:32.700 thought

00:42:33.100 isn't it

00:42:33.840 yeah

00:42:34.100 I was

00:42:35.320 hoping you

00:42:35.680 were going

00:42:35.900 to talk

00:42:36.180 me out

00:42:36.480 of this

00:42:36.700 maybe I'd

00:42:37.140 miss

00:42:37.300 something

00:42:37.640 no I

00:42:38.680 think you've

00:42:39.440 kind of

00:42:40.420 stopped me

00:42:41.100 in my

00:42:41.380 tracks quite

00:42:41.980 rightfully

00:42:42.400 and pointed

00:42:43.260 out that

00:42:43.680 if they

00:42:44.520 don't

00:42:44.800 listen

00:42:45.140 if they

00:42:45.840 don't

00:42:46.060 have the

00:42:46.320 conversations

00:42:46.940 if they

00:42:47.400 don't do

00:42:47.960 what needs

00:42:50.200 to be done

00:42:50.840 to address

00:42:51.560 people's

00:42:52.180 fears

00:42:52.660 and concerns

00:42:53.680 and that

00:42:54.640 is get

00:42:55.700 a grip

00:42:56.060 on immigration

00:42:57.060 I mean

00:42:57.900 and a

00:42:58.240 proper

00:42:58.600 grip

00:42:59.740 and stop

00:43:00.780 people rocking

00:43:01.400 up every

00:43:01.900 day

00:43:02.220 on rigid

00:43:03.380 inflatable

00:43:03.920 boats at

00:43:04.520 Dover

00:43:04.900 and primarily

00:43:05.700 Dover

00:43:06.180 and other

00:43:06.460 places

00:43:06.920 if they

00:43:08.220 don't get

00:43:08.600 a grip

00:43:08.880 on that

00:43:09.320 if we

00:43:11.140 do not

00:43:11.680 have

00:43:12.180 significant

00:43:14.440 players

00:43:15.320 within

00:43:16.020 the world

00:43:17.260 of Islam

00:43:17.780 coming out

00:43:18.440 and saying

00:43:18.840 we don't

00:43:19.720 want to

00:43:20.060 take over

00:43:20.460 your country

00:43:21.040 we don't

00:43:23.200 want

00:43:23.500 Sharia law

00:43:24.920 imposed

00:43:25.640 on Britain

00:43:26.160 we don't

00:43:26.940 want to

00:43:27.280 turn the

00:43:28.300 entire world

00:43:29.020 into one

00:43:30.100 Islamic

00:43:30.740 state

00:43:31.480 if people

00:43:32.980 don't do

00:43:33.360 those things

00:43:33.900 then yeah

00:43:34.280 they will

00:43:34.940 still harbour

00:43:35.460 the concerns

00:43:36.120 and maybe

00:43:36.720 maybe

00:43:37.860 I hate to

00:43:39.200 say it

00:43:39.480 maybe this

00:43:40.000 is just

00:43:40.460 the warm

00:43:41.140 up act

00:43:41.640 I mean

00:43:43.120 that is

00:43:44.320 terrifying

00:43:45.040 because what

00:43:45.660 you're talking

00:43:46.300 about Peter

00:43:47.040 is a collapse

00:43:48.120 of a society

00:43:49.000 because it's a

00:43:50.540 society descending

00:43:51.360 into civil war

00:43:52.460 can't say that

00:43:54.180 Elon Musk

00:43:54.820 has got himself

00:43:55.460 out of trouble

00:43:56.060 hasn't he

00:43:56.560 for going on

00:43:57.440 Twitter

00:43:57.740 yeah

00:43:58.200 you know

00:43:58.560 and I think

00:43:59.300 that was

00:44:00.180 an unhelpful

00:44:01.580 exaggeration

00:44:02.620 but

00:44:03.940 it could

00:44:06.680 be

00:44:07.200 perish

00:44:08.580 the thought

00:44:09.120 what lays

00:44:10.580 further down

00:44:11.200 the road

00:44:11.320 see this is

00:44:12.160 what I don't

00:44:12.620 understand

00:44:12.960 you say

00:44:13.400 it's an

00:44:13.680 unhelpful

00:44:14.100 exaggeration

00:44:14.880 but I don't

00:44:15.700 see why it

00:44:16.380 is if this

00:44:17.240 is where

00:44:17.640 we are

00:44:18.120 it's like

00:44:18.840 all Elon

00:44:19.740 Musk is

00:44:20.180 doing is

00:44:20.740 playing the

00:44:21.300 movie forward

00:44:21.880 just like I

00:44:22.660 did with you

00:44:23.140 just now

00:44:23.640 right

00:44:23.920 so and

00:44:24.960 this is the

00:44:25.420 problem that

00:44:25.980 we've had

00:44:26.380 for years

00:44:26.800 in our

00:44:27.100 society

00:44:27.480 where if

00:44:28.380 you look

00:44:28.900 at reality

00:44:29.520 and you

00:44:30.000 say this

00:44:30.780 is what

00:44:31.060 I see

00:44:31.500 and if

00:44:32.000 we keep

00:44:32.420 doing this

00:44:33.020 this is

00:44:33.580 where we're

00:44:33.940 going to

00:44:34.040 end up

00:44:34.480 you then

00:44:35.300 get blamed

00:44:36.020 as if

00:44:37.780 you made

00:44:38.600 this thing

00:44:39.080 happen

00:44:39.440 when you

00:44:39.900 merely

00:44:40.180 saw it

00:44:40.640 coming

00:44:40.920 yeah

00:44:41.280 right

00:44:41.920 so I'm

00:44:43.400 a little

00:44:43.660 bit lost

00:44:44.460 to be

00:44:44.760 honest

00:44:44.980 because

00:44:45.460 you know

00:44:46.620 I'm a

00:44:47.140 first generation

00:44:47.720 immigrant

00:44:48.320 in this

00:44:48.720 country

00:44:48.980 I want

00:44:49.540 this country

00:44:50.040 to thrive

00:44:50.720 and for

00:44:52.220 people to

00:44:52.840 live in

00:44:53.840 cohesion

00:44:54.440 but I

00:44:55.820 just it

00:44:56.480 seems to

00:44:57.000 me because

00:44:58.240 the politicians

00:44:59.000 are pretending

00:44:59.760 the problems

00:45:00.460 you've been

00:45:00.880 talking about

00:45:01.740 aren't there

00:45:02.940 and this

00:45:03.400 is just

00:45:03.740 the evil

00:45:04.140 far right

00:45:04.780 then I

00:45:06.100 don't think

00:45:06.740 their response

00:45:07.320 is going to

00:45:07.700 be what

00:45:08.020 you want

00:45:08.360 it to

00:45:08.600 be

00:45:08.880 no

00:45:09.280 probably

00:45:09.880 not

00:45:10.200 gloomy

00:45:10.860 gloomy

00:45:11.180 thought

00:45:11.500 what they

00:45:12.580 will do

00:45:13.240 and it

00:45:14.480 does need

00:45:14.860 addressing

00:45:15.220 of course

00:45:15.760 is since

00:45:16.720 the 2008

00:45:17.500 economic

00:45:18.240 crash

00:45:18.900 generally

00:45:19.860 speaking

00:45:20.420 from then

00:45:21.240 until now

00:45:22.020 the only

00:45:22.780 people who

00:45:23.420 feel better

00:45:24.100 off

00:45:24.480 and are

00:45:25.560 better off

00:45:26.280 are people

00:45:27.040 that either

00:45:27.560 owned property

00:45:28.380 or had

00:45:29.700 tangible

00:45:30.600 assets

00:45:31.160 and

00:45:32.300 savings

00:45:33.340 everybody

00:45:34.220 else's

00:45:34.860 standard

00:45:35.560 of living

00:45:35.980 has dropped

00:45:37.340 and people

00:45:38.120 don't feel

00:45:38.720 as well

00:45:39.520 off

00:45:39.740 as they

00:45:40.540 would like

00:45:40.840 to be

00:45:41.080 so we

00:45:41.480 do need

00:45:41.840 to throw

00:45:42.160 it in the

00:45:42.460 mix

00:45:42.680 the fact

00:45:42.980 that we

00:45:43.280 do have

00:45:43.740 millions

00:45:44.540 of people

00:45:45.020 in poverty

00:45:45.520 we can't

00:45:48.080 skirt around

00:45:48.880 or ignore

00:45:49.320 that either

00:45:49.860 I mean

00:45:50.880 there's also

00:45:53.120 the factor

00:45:53.680 as well

00:45:54.580 of

00:45:54.960 summer time

00:45:55.880 in summer time

00:45:57.300 there are always

00:45:57.960 riots

00:45:58.400 we look at

00:45:58.980 the Brixton riots

00:46:00.160 we look at

00:46:00.820 the riots

00:46:01.860 that happened

00:46:02.400 in 2011

00:46:03.520 I don't think

00:46:04.320 you can say

00:46:04.820 in summer

00:46:05.340 there are always

00:46:05.860 riots

00:46:06.160 I think what

00:46:06.540 you mean

00:46:06.820 is

00:46:07.020 the riots

00:46:07.720 are always

00:46:08.280 happening

00:46:08.580 sorry

00:46:09.440 Brixton was

00:46:10.820 April

00:46:11.340 but

00:46:12.720 how much

00:46:14.680 of this

00:46:16.200 is also

00:46:16.960 down to

00:46:17.580 the fact

00:46:18.120 that

00:46:18.600 the kids

00:46:20.440 are out

00:46:20.740 of school

00:46:21.220 they can

00:46:23.200 see things

00:46:23.860 happening

00:46:24.300 there's

00:46:24.940 anarchy

00:46:25.520 happening

00:46:26.000 on the

00:46:26.400 streets

00:46:26.820 they'll be

00:46:27.880 thinking to

00:46:28.520 themselves

00:46:28.820 I can get

00:46:29.480 involved in

00:46:29.960 a bit of

00:46:30.320 this

00:46:30.660 etc

00:46:31.720 etc

00:46:32.260 the weather's

00:46:33.300 nice

00:46:33.780 yeah

00:46:36.640 I don't

00:46:37.580 think the

00:46:38.120 fact it's

00:46:38.580 the school

00:46:38.880 holidays

00:46:39.340 and all

00:46:39.680 of that

00:46:39.920 is

00:46:40.220 necessarily

00:46:41.080 a factor

00:46:41.900 I think

00:46:42.820 I've laid

00:46:43.280 out pretty

00:46:43.780 clearly

00:46:44.080 what I

00:46:44.480 think

00:46:44.700 became

00:46:45.260 the

00:46:45.540 real

00:46:46.620 big

00:46:47.800 moment

00:46:48.580 in

00:46:49.300 people's

00:46:50.240 unhappiness

00:46:50.980 and disquiet

00:46:51.940 about the

00:46:52.600 matters

00:46:52.820 we've

00:46:53.100 spoken

00:46:53.380 about

00:46:53.780 being

00:46:54.480 Manchester

00:46:54.940 Airport

00:46:55.380 and then

00:46:56.000 that

00:46:56.840 disinformation

00:46:57.780 and

00:46:58.400 Serena

00:46:59.380 Kennedy's

00:47:00.000 sleight of

00:47:00.440 hand

00:47:00.820 I think

00:47:02.360 those

00:47:02.720 really

00:47:03.120 have been

00:47:04.380 the big

00:47:05.200 moments

00:47:05.800 in what

00:47:07.420 we're now

00:47:07.940 witnessing

00:47:09.180 Peter we've

00:47:09.860 established

00:47:10.240 that let's

00:47:11.180 say in

00:47:11.820 my opinion

00:47:12.300 the government

00:47:13.740 aren't going

00:47:14.160 to do

00:47:14.400 anything

00:47:14.740 that they

00:47:15.440 need to

00:47:15.760 do

00:47:15.980 if you

00:47:17.100 were in

00:47:17.440 charge of

00:47:17.760 the police

00:47:18.100 this is

00:47:18.480 your area

00:47:18.840 of expertise

00:47:19.340 is there

00:47:20.580 something the

00:47:21.140 police can

00:47:21.780 do that

00:47:23.260 will address

00:47:24.260 these tensions

00:47:25.780 and concerns

00:47:26.300 I'm not

00:47:26.620 talking like

00:47:27.200 right this

00:47:27.620 second I'm

00:47:28.040 talking over

00:47:28.920 a longer

00:47:29.240 period of

00:47:29.740 time you

00:47:30.440 know how

00:47:30.980 can they

00:47:31.380 for example

00:47:32.060 address the

00:47:32.840 perception that

00:47:33.540 they just

00:47:34.000 don't police

00:47:34.680 the Muslim

00:47:35.140 community the

00:47:35.840 same way they

00:47:36.340 police white

00:47:36.780 people let's

00:47:37.340 say put it

00:47:37.900 as bluntly

00:47:38.520 as that

00:47:38.900 very

00:47:40.060 interestingly

00:47:40.780 today

00:47:41.540 Chief

00:47:43.720 Constable

00:47:44.200 Stevens who's

00:47:45.260 the chair

00:47:45.760 of the

00:47:46.580 National

00:47:46.920 Police

00:47:47.380 Chiefs

00:47:47.840 Council

00:47:48.320 kind of

00:47:50.100 started to

00:47:50.860 change the

00:47:51.500 rhetoric a bit

00:47:52.160 today I

00:47:53.320 noticed that

00:47:53.940 he was

00:47:54.260 talking about

00:47:55.140 reaching out

00:47:56.340 to communities

00:47:57.020 and asking

00:47:58.420 communities

00:47:59.260 to not

00:48:00.180 partake so

00:48:01.460 he's kind

00:48:02.200 of trying to

00:48:03.460 take the

00:48:03.800 temperature out

00:48:04.420 of it he

00:48:05.060 wasn't bombastic

00:48:06.080 we're going to

00:48:06.940 arrest you all

00:48:07.580 we're all going

00:48:08.080 to get nicked

00:48:08.640 you're all

00:48:09.340 in for the

00:48:09.780 back of a

00:48:10.160 police van

00:48:11.080 and a jail

00:48:11.960 cell because

00:48:13.020 I think he's

00:48:13.620 realised that

00:48:14.680 if it continues

00:48:15.460 it's going to

00:48:16.460 be beyond the

00:48:17.260 capabilities of

00:48:18.020 the police to

00:48:19.180 contain it as

00:48:19.920 much as they

00:48:20.340 have done

00:48:20.780 if it breaks

00:48:21.940 out in

00:48:23.860 greater numbers

00:48:24.820 and in

00:48:25.600 greater places

00:48:26.280 and if it

00:48:27.080 becomes that

00:48:28.360 race kind of

00:48:29.700 conflict which

00:48:30.460 we've been

00:48:31.000 talking about

00:48:31.560 the police are

00:48:33.140 not going to

00:48:33.900 be able to

00:48:34.500 cope they

00:48:35.440 are stretched

00:48:36.600 like you

00:48:37.540 wouldn't

00:48:37.780 believe

00:48:38.300 in terms

00:48:39.200 of the

00:48:39.980 investigating

00:48:40.660 capacity

00:48:41.340 because now

00:48:42.400 they've got

00:48:42.800 all these

00:48:43.340 thousands of

00:48:44.400 crimes to

00:48:44.920 investigate

00:48:45.380 they're really

00:48:47.720 really stretched

00:48:48.820 so I noticed

00:48:49.940 with huge interest

00:48:51.020 today that

00:48:52.040 he's just I

00:48:53.080 think trying to

00:48:53.980 take the heat

00:48:54.480 out of it

00:48:54.860 because he

00:48:55.180 realises that

00:48:56.080 this could be

00:48:57.520 beyond their

00:48:58.640 capabilities to

00:49:00.320 control it

00:49:01.080 as they

00:49:01.960 as much as

00:49:03.580 they have done

00:49:04.080 thus far

00:49:05.060 and then of

00:49:06.060 course you

00:49:07.180 get into the

00:49:07.820 realms of

00:49:08.340 well would

00:49:09.300 they bring

00:49:09.640 the military

00:49:10.160 out onto

00:49:12.000 the streets

00:49:13.100 which I

00:49:13.500 noticed a

00:49:14.600 lot of

00:49:14.880 people have

00:49:15.260 been talking

00:49:15.660 about and

00:49:18.220 that would

00:49:18.780 be pretty

00:49:20.480 catastrophic

00:49:21.360 in a number

00:49:22.620 of ways

00:49:23.260 firstly the

00:49:25.820 military are

00:49:27.280 not very

00:49:28.680 well practiced

00:49:29.580 or at all

00:49:30.580 practiced

00:49:31.000 actually in

00:49:32.200 policing

00:49:32.880 civilian

00:49:33.380 populations

00:49:34.020 really you

00:49:35.080 know certainly

00:49:35.780 not the UK

00:49:36.540 they don't

00:49:37.380 police the UK

00:49:38.120 they haven't

00:49:38.780 got any

00:49:39.040 experience of

00:49:39.860 policing the

00:49:40.380 UK so

00:49:41.560 then put them

00:49:42.160 out in a

00:49:42.540 policing role

00:49:43.240 is going to

00:49:43.980 be very

00:49:44.500 very problematic

00:49:46.260 if it did

00:49:47.540 happen and

00:49:50.200 I sincerely

00:49:51.080 hope it

00:49:51.500 doesn't I

00:49:52.500 really truly

00:49:53.560 hope it

00:49:54.480 doesn't not

00:49:55.680 only would it

00:49:56.300 be the end

00:49:58.080 of that old

00:49:58.800 chestnut

00:49:59.440 of policing

00:50:00.380 by consent

00:50:01.140 because it

00:50:02.300 would be

00:50:02.740 policing at

00:50:03.980 the end of

00:50:04.340 a barrel

00:50:04.740 behave yourselves

00:50:05.760 or else

00:50:06.440 that's what it

00:50:07.300 would then

00:50:07.600 become so

00:50:08.540 policing by

00:50:09.220 consent would

00:50:09.760 go out the

00:50:10.200 window probably

00:50:11.500 forever but

00:50:14.460 it would the

00:50:16.080 look the

00:50:17.400 global look

00:50:19.140 you know so

00:50:20.800 many people

00:50:21.360 still harbour

00:50:22.500 that image of

00:50:23.360 the British

00:50:24.140 Bobby with

00:50:25.580 the tall hat

00:50:26.200 on perambulating

00:50:27.680 down the street

00:50:28.520 with his hands

00:50:29.220 behind his

00:50:29.760 back you

00:50:30.380 know what I

00:50:30.680 mean good

00:50:31.840 morning all

00:50:32.440 and all of

00:50:33.060 that kind of

00:50:33.540 stuff that

00:50:34.520 would be gone

00:50:35.300 forever because

00:50:36.420 all the

00:50:37.100 imagery would

00:50:38.260 be of the

00:50:39.420 military on

00:50:40.200 the streets of

00:50:40.760 Britain so

00:50:41.840 all those kind

00:50:42.620 of things would

00:50:43.180 be gone never

00:50:44.680 to be recovered

00:50:45.400 and the only way

00:50:48.600 I think you

00:50:48.980 could possibly do

00:50:49.680 it is if you

00:50:50.640 went cop

00:50:51.680 soldier cop

00:50:52.760 soldier so

00:50:54.220 you sent

00:50:54.780 each cop

00:50:56.060 had a soldier

00:50:56.880 alongside him

00:50:57.440 so you so you

00:50:58.260 increase the

00:50:58.840 resources but

00:50:59.940 you keep the

00:51:00.500 policing element

00:51:01.920 being in charge

00:51:02.800 of things I

00:51:03.620 mean that would

00:51:04.060 be a disastrous

00:51:04.940 look on a global

00:51:06.020 level I mean the

00:51:07.980 public image of

00:51:09.200 us as a country

00:51:10.220 around the world

00:51:11.160 I mean that's

00:51:12.780 horrifying

00:51:13.240 we'd look like a

00:51:13.900 banana republic

00:51:14.640 yeah absolutely

00:51:16.740 I think there's

00:51:18.380 there's another

00:51:18.900 factor that we're

00:51:19.760 missing here that

00:51:20.400 people really get

00:51:21.800 frustrated about and

00:51:22.680 I include myself in

00:51:23.800 this which is you

00:51:25.300 know Islamic

00:51:26.520 extremism when you

00:51:28.360 see the amount of

00:51:30.160 people who are on

00:51:31.980 the police watch

00:51:33.260 list tens of

00:51:34.840 thousands of

00:51:35.600 people people get

00:51:37.520 really angry about

00:51:38.900 that and look

00:51:41.060 misinformation is

00:51:43.100 disgusting and

00:51:44.000 what happened was

00:51:45.140 what was awful

00:51:46.180 but I understand

00:51:48.500 the thinking people

00:51:50.020 had when they saw

00:51:51.300 the stabbing of the

00:51:52.180 young girls and

00:51:53.220 they go and what I

00:51:54.420 immediately thought

00:51:55.240 of oh my god this

00:51:56.280 is like another

00:51:56.960 Manchester bombing

00:51:58.280 which was attack

00:51:59.620 which was at an

00:52:00.180 Ariana Grande

00:52:00.940 concert which was

00:52:02.340 young girls yeah

00:52:03.760 that's immediately

00:52:04.640 what I went to

00:52:05.500 and other factors

00:52:06.620 when they published

00:52:07.540 a list of the

00:52:08.200 most popular boys

00:52:09.240 names and girls

00:52:10.160 names every year

00:52:11.080 and what six at the

00:52:12.400 top of the pile

00:52:13.060 mummies you know

00:52:15.340 there are so many

00:52:15.860 people that go

00:52:16.520 what what's going

00:52:18.400 on in this country

00:52:19.340 why aren't it

00:52:20.180 Jack or George

00:52:21.080 or Steve or Bill

00:52:22.880 or Julian or

00:52:23.960 whatever it may be

00:52:25.440 people go and it

00:52:26.800 feeds into people's

00:52:27.700 concerns yeah about

00:52:28.940 a lack of

00:52:29.500 integration and the

00:52:30.700 rise of Islam and

00:52:32.320 these are facts we're

00:52:33.680 talking about okay

00:52:35.040 so why are our

00:52:37.380 politicians not

00:52:39.060 understanding the

00:52:41.280 concerns of people

00:52:42.180 once again because

00:52:44.200 Westminster is a

00:52:46.660 bubble an echo

00:52:47.600 chamber and senior

00:52:49.060 policing is an echo

00:52:50.820 chamber these people

00:52:52.240 are out not out

00:52:53.140 there on the

00:52:54.140 streets talking to

00:52:55.440 people engaging with

00:52:56.440 people listening to

00:52:57.820 people each and

00:53:00.180 every day and so

00:53:02.140 how do we deal with

00:53:03.300 that problem Peter how

00:53:04.580 do we deal with

00:53:05.280 that problem of

00:53:06.440 Islamic extremism

00:53:07.880 where you have

00:53:09.120 these young people

00:53:11.300 who are born in

00:53:12.260 this country and

00:53:13.760 they have these

00:53:14.440 radical ideas yeah

00:53:16.600 and they hate the

00:53:18.660 West they hate this

00:53:19.880 country and they

00:53:21.100 want to participate

00:53:22.980 in acts of

00:53:23.940 terrorism that

00:53:25.140 harm maim and

00:53:26.560 kill people innocent

00:53:28.000 civilians in this

00:53:29.160 country what do we

00:53:30.560 do with that can you

00:53:31.420 really police tens of

00:53:32.980 thousands of people

00:53:33.880 we are incredibly

00:53:35.280 lucky in that our

00:53:37.240 police and our

00:53:37.980 security services do

00:53:39.720 an absolutely

00:53:40.680 brilliant job they

00:53:43.160 really do they are

00:53:44.560 never going to catch

00:53:45.840 all of course and

00:53:47.460 there will be people

00:53:48.440 that get through the

00:53:49.780 net but every day we

00:53:51.980 wake up and there's

00:53:53.560 not a terror attack in

00:53:56.080 the UK for me is a

00:53:58.300 victory for those

00:53:59.420 wonderful men and

00:54:00.200 women who do a

00:54:02.080 fantastic job but

00:54:04.100 will it be sustainable

00:54:05.400 forever very big

00:54:07.180 question mark as the

00:54:08.880 numbers grow if

00:54:10.300 indeed they do would

00:54:11.860 it remain sustainable

00:54:12.940 another question mark

00:54:14.640 will people get through

00:54:15.940 the net and commit

00:54:16.740 atrocities yes they

00:54:18.440 will from time to

00:54:19.280 time but we're very

00:54:20.460 lucky that they do

00:54:21.420 such a remarkable job

00:54:23.940 well I'm sure that's

00:54:25.000 true but I think the

00:54:26.860 question a lot of

00:54:27.640 people will be asking

00:54:28.560 is why is that why

00:54:31.100 are we supposed to

00:54:31.860 tolerate that what

00:54:33.220 despite the fact that

00:54:34.940 those men and women

00:54:35.620 are doing their job

00:54:36.500 and I'm sure they are

00:54:37.460 I'm sure they're

00:54:37.900 working around the

00:54:38.640 clock oh yes I know

00:54:40.660 for a fact they are

00:54:41.540 and I know people who

00:54:42.320 are doing that job but

00:54:43.760 at the same time there

00:54:45.620 are there's a hundred

00:54:47.200 countries around the

00:54:48.080 world that don't have a

00:54:48.740 single terrorist attack

00:54:49.780 right yeah there are

00:54:52.960 I've been to many of

00:54:54.040 them I've lived my

00:54:55.040 family live in some of

00:54:56.120 them they don't have

00:54:57.380 this happening so why

00:55:00.660 should British people

00:55:01.480 tolerate this I guess

00:55:04.040 that might be a price

00:55:05.140 you pay for being a

00:55:06.500 flagship democracy

00:55:07.720 although of course we

00:55:09.500 have had terrorism in

00:55:11.180 its different forms

00:55:12.280 committed by different

00:55:13.300 organisations and

00:55:14.460 people over the years

00:55:16.060 as a child I grew up

00:55:19.360 looking at every bag on

00:55:21.380 every train or tube or

00:55:22.600 bus journey that I did

00:55:23.620 you know it was just

00:55:24.320 drummed into me as a

00:55:25.260 kid unattended bags

00:55:26.580 unattended bags I

00:55:30.240 think we all need to

00:55:31.720 remain hugely grateful

00:55:32.840 for the Good Friday

00:55:34.840 agreement that last

00:55:36.260 year brought priests to

00:55:37.460 Northern Ireland and

00:55:39.160 mainland UK and huge

00:55:42.220 thanks and gratitude to

00:55:44.460 the late Mo Molem and

00:55:45.860 John Major who actually

00:55:47.520 started the process but

00:55:48.920 pretty much gets

00:55:50.220 overlooked in history for

00:55:51.980 really kick-starting it

00:55:53.220 because Blair got all the

00:55:54.720 photo opportunities but we

00:55:57.520 need to be grateful to all

00:55:58.440 of the aforementioned for

00:55:59.540 that very very different

00:56:04.320 kettle of fish I think when

00:56:05.760 you are dealing with a

00:56:08.640 religious kind of ideology

00:56:11.680 and fanaticism and I know

00:56:15.660 that the IRA of course we

00:56:16.940 know we're Catholic and

00:56:17.720 what a United Ireland and all

00:56:19.440 that sort of stuff but I

00:56:21.020 think it's so that in

00:56:23.800 itself was a largely

00:56:25.680 religious ideology as is

00:56:28.820 the the problem with

00:56:30.880 extreme Islamists who want

00:56:33.960 to wipe us all off the face

00:56:35.180 of the earth once again

00:56:39.120 hats off to those who do

00:56:41.220 such a great job why did

00:56:42.960 why should we have to put up

00:56:44.080 with it we can't exterminate

00:56:47.940 it

00:56:49.440 do you know what I worry

00:56:50.820 about Peter I was talking

00:56:52.560 about this with a mate of

00:56:53.520 mine and I was having to

00:56:54.580 talk him down because he was

00:56:55.680 getting very angry I worry

00:56:59.320 that the next time there is

00:57:00.520 going to be an attack because

00:57:01.460 there is going to be a next

00:57:02.440 time because these men and

00:57:04.060 women you've talked about

00:57:04.720 they do a fantastic job but

00:57:06.140 they're not superhuman they're

00:57:07.260 not all seen they're not

00:57:08.280 gods they're human beings

00:57:11.200 someone's going to make a

00:57:12.220 mistake it's just

00:57:13.720 inevitable I really do worry

00:57:17.780 that when that mistake

00:57:19.440 happens and there is an

00:57:20.580 attack obviously the attack

00:57:22.560 is going to be horrendous

00:57:23.520 obviously people are going to

00:57:25.160 be hurt but you worry what the

00:57:28.560 repercussions are going to be

00:57:29.920 because if that boy had been an

00:57:35.460 Islamist I think what you would

00:57:39.040 see right now in the UK would be

00:57:42.960 riots on a scale that I don't

00:57:45.960 think I'm 42 years old and I've

00:57:47.840 never seen in this country

00:57:49.100 stop showing off

00:57:50.040 we're going to park any further

00:57:53.660 conversation about Southport

00:57:55.220 yeah but just focus on what you

00:57:57.540 said of the first part of that

00:57:59.720 conversation if there is another

00:58:02.040 blatantly you know is Islam

00:58:06.000 perversion of Islam motivated

00:58:09.080 terror attack in which there is

00:58:10.900 loss of life yeah then I think

00:58:12.240 that fuse I've spoken about and

00:58:14.240 those sparks which have lit what

00:58:16.140 we've seen in the last few days

00:58:17.580 could unfortunately be dwarfed by

00:58:20.880 more like dare I mention it the

00:58:25.100 sort of wider unrest that sadly

00:58:29.720 might happen I think I think you're

00:58:31.800 probably right I think the whole

00:58:32.800 thing's going to go up like like a

00:58:35.520 balloon if that were to happen

00:58:36.540 soon well there we go Peter

00:58:38.900 thanks for coming on we always

00:58:41.140 end by asking the same question

00:58:42.400 which is what's the one thing

00:58:43.380 we're not talking about

00:58:44.240 goodness me I think we've spent the

00:58:46.700 last however long it was talking

00:58:48.760 about what we've not been talking

00:58:50.660 about so I'm very grateful to you

00:58:52.800 both for the opportunity to come

00:58:54.560 here that is that is what we've not

00:58:56.920 been talking about and we have

00:58:58.700 discussed it today and yeah just

00:59:03.160 once again thank you for the

00:59:04.820 opportunity and thank you to

00:59:05.920 anybody who's watched or listened

00:59:07.260 thank you for coming on the show

00:59:09.700 Peter thank you for having me

00:59:11.600 what is the biggest change you have

00:59:14.800 seen in regards to crime since you

00:59:16.480 became a police officer and why

00:59:18.600 are you

00:59:21.200 not taking on or court

00:59:21.500 or Midwest

00:59:24.000 you

00:59:28.100 you

00:59:29.100 you

00:59:33.260 and yeah

TRIGGERnometry - August 07, 2024

Ex-Police Detective Reacts to UK Riots - Peter Bleksley

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