TRIGGERnometry - ＂Gender Dysphoria Is a Mental Disorder＂

00:00:00.240 Trans acceptance and LGBT acceptance in general is on the decline for the first time in decades.

00:00:06.240 And I think there's a reason for that. I think people are finding that, like I said, it's too

00:00:10.240 hard to keep up with the ever-changing rules for how you're supposed to talk, walk, interact,

00:00:14.640 speak about certain things, how you can't speak about certain things if you have a

00:00:17.920 certain identity or skin color. It's just too much for people.

00:00:20.960 hello and welcome to trigonometry i'm francis foster i'm constantin kissam and this is a show

00:00:33.620 for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people our brilliant guest today

00:00:39.040 is an american youtuber blair white welcome to trigonometry hey guys thank you so much for

00:00:43.400 having me i'm a big fan of your channel so it's really cool to be here that's very kind of you

00:00:47.480 to say actually i think when i first joined youtube i remember watching some of your stuff

00:00:51.560 so it's very much a mutual feeling and we really appreciate you coming on it's awesome to have you

00:00:56.680 here listen before we get into all the juicy stuff and there's a lot of juicy stuff to get

00:01:00.500 into in the last few weeks uh just tell everybody here in the uk people may not be familiar with

00:01:05.660 with you and your backstory who are you how are you where you are what has been your journey

00:01:10.580 through life that leads you to be sitting here talking to us right so like you mentioned i'm a

00:01:16.000 YouTuber, which has, it's definitely an unexpected event in my life becoming a YouTuber. I never

00:01:22.020 sought out intending to have this be a career or a job or any big part of my life. I put up a video

00:01:28.900 about five years ago, ranting about my experience on my college campus being overrun by extreme

00:01:35.380 liberalism. And I expected maybe seven people to watch it. And I woke up and it had thousands of

00:01:41.660 views. And ever since then, my life has been completely different. You know, I am a trans

00:01:47.280 woman. I often try to bring a different perspective to trans issues on YouTube because I find that

00:01:54.220 there is a serious lack of nuance in the conversation from other trans people on the

00:01:59.460 platform and also trans activists in general. I'm often described as sort of the anti-trans

00:02:03.620 activist. I definitely, you know, advocate for trans people, but in a much different way than

00:02:09.200 the traditional sort of extreme leftist activists that you guys maybe have a caricature of in your

00:02:15.080 mind um i am a republican so i'm known for that and people think that's a bit of a contradiction

00:02:21.500 being trans and republican but i could go off for days about how it's not uh yeah so that's that's

00:02:28.420 kind of me in a nutshell right now yeah well we'll get into a lot of the stuff you mentioned there

00:02:32.860 uh but the first thing just for me i'd like to say i'm very jealous of you because our youtube

00:02:37.000 experience was exactly the opposite. We uploaded our first video expecting it to get a lot of views

00:02:41.940 and it got absolute bugger all. So it's good that you had the opposite experience. But listen,

00:02:47.420 of course, the trans issue is heavily, heavily talked about at the moment. We've talked about

00:02:52.620 it with many, many people in the past, but we wanted to get your taken because we saw a video

00:02:57.220 he did about this transracial Korean guy. So can you explain to us, I mean, this is something that

00:03:06.980 lot of us have been mourning about like if you can self-identify as whatever you want why can't

00:03:11.340 you be a different why can't Blair let me ask you why can't you be Korean if you want to be

00:03:16.200 right well I so I did a video about this individual um which I believe is a troll and it's kind of a

00:03:23.120 brilliant troll if you think about it because um his name's Ollie London he's really playing into

00:03:28.680 the rules set by the woke left they have completely attempted to remove any and all

00:03:35.240 science behind being transgender or being transsexual is the proper term. And they've

00:03:41.040 made all identities valid. So if all identities are valid, then that one kind of has to be valid

00:03:45.720 too. I, of course, disagree that it's valid. I don't think there's any science behind

00:03:50.360 being transracial, any sort of like, you know, happening in the womb that we see with some

00:03:57.940 people who are transsexual. So I think it's different. But I also think that the left doesn't

00:04:03.900 get to play in both ways. It doesn't get to say all identities are valid. It doesn't get to say

00:04:07.880 that there are thousands and thousands of genders and you can change your gender and your biological

00:04:12.020 sex, but you can't change your race. And it's interesting that you say you can't change your

00:04:18.180 race. I can't believe I'm asking this question. Why can't you change your race if people think

00:04:25.280 that you can change your sex? Well, that's the thing. People do think that you can change your

00:04:29.500 sex but i'm definitely not one of those people i think that biological sex is it is what it is you

00:04:35.700 know despite being a trans woman which is the cultural word for the place i hold in society

00:04:39.720 i am absolutely a biological male i was born that way i will die that way i wasn't assigned at birth

00:04:45.280 it was a biological sex that was observed and recorded at birth um so yeah i mean i'm not

00:04:52.700 playing by the rules in the first place so i don't think i have to justify like why you can change

00:04:56.860 You definitely don't have to justify, but take us through the logical sequence of the difference, right?

00:05:04.700 Because to a lot of people who don't know much about this issue, which is pretty much everybody, right?

00:05:08.500 Probably us included to a large extent.

00:05:10.860 This has all been kind of, I remember we interviewed people on our channel and I'd be like, well, why can't we just all be like polite, right?

00:05:18.140 You know, people want to identify as well and they're not quote unquote hurting anyone.

00:05:22.660 again our research since and a lot of the stories that come out recently have disabused us of that

00:05:28.760 notion on some things but why what's the difference between being transsexual and being transracial

00:05:35.080 quote-unquote well being trans uh transsexual rather has a medical history behind it um it's

00:05:43.080 been recorded throughout history there are people who for biological reasons whether it's feminization

00:05:47.640 or masculinization in the womb deal with gender identity. I don't think that it makes them the

00:05:52.560 opposite sex. I think that it makes them struggling with their current sex. And so I think when you

00:05:57.980 have things like gender dysphoria, which up until recently was classified as a mental disorder,

00:06:03.220 you know, these are things that are found in nature, whereas as far as I know, there's no

00:06:08.320 equivalent to gender dysphoria, racial dysphoria, or, you know, something that happens in the womb

00:06:15.860 to make someone feel a different race. So I do think it's different in that sense. But what's

00:06:21.060 interesting is, you know, I personally disagree with the declassification of gender dysphoria as

00:06:27.900 a mental disorder. I don't think there's anything wrong with saying that it is a mental disorder.

00:06:31.180 I think especially in this era of trying to destigmatize mental disorders, it's the best

00:06:37.300 descriptor for it. I think that if you're born with sort of a misalignment mentally with your

00:06:42.220 biological sex and your sense of being and that that is something that negatively impacts your

00:06:46.940 mental health that's a mental disorder um and for me you know i don't see any issue with calling

00:06:53.820 anxiety a mental disorder with calling depression a mental disorder so why would gender dysphoria be

00:06:58.480 one um so i think the primary difference obviously between transracial and transsexual

00:07:02.800 is that there are biological vehicles to take someone to transition and struggle with their

00:07:09.180 gender and Blair what does it say about our culture when this particular individual gets

00:07:15.320 such traction and it becomes a talking point whereas 10 years ago we would have looked at

00:07:20.800 this person and thought well there's clearly something not quite right there

00:07:25.060 well I think it's because like I said before like there is this new narrative that all identities

00:07:32.720 are valid so you know I think that a lot of people saw this as something funny something

00:07:37.160 that was like a troll at least i did um and like i said it's brilliant in the sense that it it

00:07:43.200 reveals the hypocrisy of the rules of the woke left which is that you have to accept it of course

00:07:48.940 they're not they're attacking him but it's hypocritical and we talk about the rules of

00:07:54.500 the woke left number one could you just go through them for us and number two and this is a question

00:07:59.260 i really wanted to ask you is do those do these rules help you help me personally absolutely not

00:08:06.500 yeah uh no if anything they make my life my life a living hell uh so asking me to recite the woke

00:08:12.920 rules i don't know they change every five seconds and if you don't keep up you're canceled so who

00:08:17.320 the fuck knows but um you know it's ideas like trans women are women without any meaningful

00:08:24.680 delineation between the two it's rules like um all white people are racist it's rules like um

00:08:30.160 i don't know you're ableist if you say the word retarded like it's just it's a lot it's a lot

00:08:34.960 It's too much to keep up with. It very much contradicts human nature and the ways that we

00:08:39.540 interact with each other. And frankly, as a trans person, you mentioned, does it help you? Absolutely

00:08:45.260 not. It does the opposite in the sense that it actually makes people feel like they have to walk

00:08:49.000 around on eggshells around me, which isn't a good feeling for me. You know, I'm someone who's very

00:08:53.260 sociable. I have an active social life. And I hate when I feel that moment where someone thinks that

00:08:59.700 they might say something that offends me or they might say something that's out of line because

00:09:03.240 even if they did it's not a big deal and i would rather have a real conversation about it rather

00:09:08.960 than you know get upset and make them feel bad about themselves so um the trans community and

00:09:15.340 the activists that they tend to propel to the top and those rising voices that sort of scream over

00:09:21.100 the rest of us more sane ones in the community um they are the craziest of the bunch and they

00:09:26.740 do way more harm than good i often say they only know how to shoot themselves in the foot

00:09:30.300 so they definitely you know trans acceptance and lgbt acceptance in general is on the decline for

00:09:36.860 the first time in decades and i think there's a reason for that i think people are finding that

00:09:41.720 like i said it's too hard to keep up with the ever-changing rules for how you're supposed to

00:09:45.280 talk walk interact speak about certain things how you can't speak about certain things if you have

00:09:50.240 a certain identity or skin color it's just too much for people and i do expect a pendulum swing

00:09:56.000 eventually um but it's not really i guess it's still a little far off well this is what i was

00:10:04.120 going to ask you about because i i don't know i was actually quite looking forward to the olympics

00:10:08.140 in tokyo because i thought that you know the conversation about trans women and sport uh

00:10:14.540 was going to get a bit of a different perspective on it when you see the visuals of active

00:10:20.700 competition we're not sure if they're going to go ahead uh do you think stuff like that will start

00:10:26.840 to bring it to to the fore to people that this is more than just about kind of respecting people's

00:10:32.160 pronouns there's an actual real life consequence to some of the stuff i hope so you know when i saw

00:10:37.900 that um there were trans athletes that were going to the olympics i was upset because you know i've

00:10:42.920 taken a lot of heat for this but i'm not someone who supports trans women and women's sports i

00:10:46.940 think that almost all of the time, it's highly unfair. I think that that's just a very simple

00:10:51.920 biological reality that biological males have just a list of advantages, even if they are on

00:10:58.480 estrogen. However, then I kind of like, I kind of agree with you. I was like, well, maybe it's a

00:11:04.540 good thing because the overwhelming amount of people who argue in defense of trans women and

00:11:09.860 women's sports, they have a completely different picture in their mind. They probably don't even

00:11:13.940 know any trans people they're just trying to be virtuous um it's an issue that they just want to

00:11:18.600 be nice about frankly they don't want to hurt anyone's feelings so they do support it however

00:11:23.940 there are just stunning visuals i'm sure you guys have seen them there are just like

00:11:27.740 the best pictures that are almost a parody of like trans uh track what's the word people who

00:11:36.440 play track i don't know competitors trans athletes okay trans athletes whatever um clearly i don't

00:11:41.480 know anything about sports uh like just looming over their biological female competitors like

00:11:49.560 beating them wiping them the fuck out and it's like how can anyone look at those pictures and

00:11:54.660 be like oh yeah that's fair like it's a joke um you know so again that's one of the things i get

00:12:00.920 the most hate for that i don't support it but i don't really see why being included in sports is

00:12:06.400 a human right it's not like you're being denied housing or food or a job it's it's it's sports

00:12:11.800 it's a very good point Blair do you don't you think the problem is is that most of the people

00:12:18.820 who watch this will share your point of view and they will have complete empathy for your position

00:12:24.700 and will want you to live as full a life as possible and for you to be happy as possible

00:12:29.480 but they don't feel that they can say trans women shouldn't be in female sports because

00:12:36.480 that's a way to get ruined cancelled have your career shut down etc etc absolutely i'm trans and

00:12:44.140 i get attacked for it so imagine if someone who isn't trans is saying it you know what i mean

00:12:48.060 uh but i do find that most people feel that way like because i've done videos on this topic i

00:12:58.020 suddenly have people reaching out that i know in real life that aren't political at all that don't

00:13:02.320 have any you know necessarily political persuasion who are like i've never been able to say it you

00:13:07.800 know i have people who play sports like good example um my mom called me and said that my

00:13:13.540 nephew had two trans athletes playing in i think it was like tennis or something at their high

00:13:18.760 school and that they're just kind of like demolishing everyone and no one's allowed to

00:13:23.600 talk about it. Like, this is just something that people tend to suspend their knowledge

00:13:29.040 of how the real world works to argue in favor of, which doesn't work.

00:13:53.600 And you say it doesn't work, but eventually, you can suspend your real-life knowledge of the world.

00:14:10.040 But eventually, the world is going to come and slap you in the face, as I've found many times to my cost.

00:14:15.800 Right. So that's why I actually...

00:14:17.660 Are you coming out here? Is that what's happening?

00:14:18.780 No, no, no, no, no.

00:14:20.380 no that's why that's why i'm actually excited about um those athletes going to the olympics

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00:14:39.500 baseball or something it's like okay let's have the debate but like weight lifting something

00:14:44.620 that's completely upper body driven and complete like come on it's so obvious but you know it's

00:14:51.800 it's one of those things that i think people have to see to have their minds change about

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00:16:17.980 Blair, and you alluded to the fact that this issue is political

00:16:21.820 And the truth is, I guess we probably wouldn't be talking about it

00:16:24.700 If it wasn't a constant thing that was talked about in a political way

00:16:30.100 Why, can you explain this to me?

00:16:32.480 why is this issue political at all? Well, because I think that transgenderism has become

00:16:40.980 a political issue, which it really shouldn't. I always argue in favor for the fact that

00:16:45.760 it should be treated as a medical, a neurological issue completely. But there is this movement to

00:16:53.480 demedicalize what being trans is, to say that you don't need gender dysphoria to be trans,

00:16:58.180 to say that, you know, there are no biological differences between male and female, which is

00:17:03.940 a contradiction for why they keep allowing and pushing for underage children to get surgeries.

00:17:09.220 But, you know, when you remove any meaningful way to diagnose something, all you have left is the

00:17:17.220 politics of it. And that's what's unfortunate, that there are real trans people who are,

00:17:22.700 who have found themselves becoming this political football being thrown back and forth between

00:17:27.060 these two sides that, frankly, both sides always get it wrong. So, you know, maybe it's a pipe

00:17:34.380 dream, maybe it's impossible, but we have to attempt to depoliticize the issue. We have to

00:17:38.880 attempt to regain control of the narrative that it is a medical issue, in my opinion, because

00:17:43.780 that's historically how it was always treated. You know, there was a time before this hyper

00:17:48.300 wokeness that, you know, maybe not everyone really knew what being trans was, but everyone kind of

00:17:53.080 had this um underlying knowledge in the back of their head that there are some people that want

00:17:57.720 to be women some people that want to be men when they are not and that those people have surgeries

00:18:01.280 and have hormones and that it's like a medical thing um and frankly i find that things were much

00:18:08.260 less fiery heated and contentious when that was sort of the overall consensus that it was like oh

00:18:12.780 yeah it's a medical thing some people do even if people thought it was weird they saw it as that

00:18:16.780 now it's become this hyper-political issue that is just toxic for everyone and it is toxic for

00:18:24.020 everyone do you think part of the problem is and you've alluded to it earlier in the interview

00:18:27.560 saying that you know people want to do the right thing do you think people are conflating the gay

00:18:32.360 rights issue in the early 80s and what the struggle that gay uh that gay people had to trans people

00:18:38.900 in 2021 and they just don't want to make the same mistakes really i think that that's part of it i

00:18:47.240 think that there's this need to be on the right side of history um whatever the current right

00:18:52.740 side is perceived to be or correct side i should say um and yeah it's just we live in an environment

00:19:01.160 where if you are not seen as 1000 accepting 1000 on board with the current narrative

00:19:07.720 And in terms of being progressive, you almost can't even live in polite society, even in red states, even in places that maybe there are more conservatives, because these major corporations that employ people, you don't have the freedom to say how you really feel about things.

00:19:22.060 even if it is something as, you know, I don't think it should be controversial at all to say

00:19:27.000 that sports should be, you know, segregated by biological sex, but it's become something that

00:19:31.700 is. I don't think it's controversial at all to say that 12 year olds should not be going on

00:19:36.280 hormones before they even hit puberty and are castrating themselves and removing their ability

00:19:40.600 to have children. That's something people don't often talk about when it comes to trans kids,

00:19:43.980 by the way, when you transition as an early teenager or a child, you can't have kids later

00:19:48.860 in life, which I think is a, it's a whole other topic. We don't have to get into that right now,

00:19:53.400 but, um, you know, long story short, people don't feel like they can say how they really feel.

00:19:59.100 Well, Blair, you bring up children and this is something we've talked a lot about. We've had,

00:20:03.560 uh, Marcus Evans, who's a whistleblower from the Tavistock clinic here in the UK that was

00:20:08.680 involved in a lot of this stuff. Uh, correct me if I'm wrong about your own biography, but I think

00:20:14.060 you you you said you came out as trans transsexual at the age of about 20 right yes but but you had

00:20:22.280 felt gender dysphoria from childhood yes my earliest memories in life were that of gender

00:20:27.780 dysphoria that's why i feel so strongly about it being a biological issue i think if something is

00:20:32.140 present at four years old and persists your entire life there's something neurological or biological

00:20:38.880 about that so right so where i'm leading you is would it not have been better for you to transition

00:20:43.740 as a kid, so you could have just been grown up being a transsexual woman and, you know, from a

00:20:49.220 girl from a young age and go through that whole period of life with the gender that you now are?

00:20:57.980 I don't think so. I think that if I had gone on hormone replacement therapy as a teenager,

00:21:05.040 maybe let's say 13, 14 years old, I don't think I would have been ready for that. I think that

00:21:09.440 oftentimes unless you go through transition, you don't really understand how extreme of a thing it

00:21:14.900 is for your mental, for your physical, for everything emotional. Um, and I just don't

00:21:20.380 think that a young teenager is ready for that. Um, I know that I would have not handled it very

00:21:25.340 well at all. You know, I, I did not have my life figured out at 13. None of us do. And I think that

00:21:31.380 adding in, um, drugs and surgeries would have probably messed me up worse. I think that I was

00:21:38.460 meant to be exactly who I am now. I think that I don't regret a single thing along my journey.

00:21:44.360 I don't regret my transition or when it happened. And I think that it also helped me give, it helped

00:21:50.240 to give me a healthier perspective on these issues as well. I think that two things can be true at

00:21:57.460 once. I think that there are people that transition very young and it's kind of like a luck of the

00:22:03.380 draw. Like some of them are happy as adults, some of them are not. You know, I've spoken to many

00:22:07.180 people, young people who are de-transitioners, which is people who transition and then regret

00:22:11.960 it and attempt to go back. And so as long as it's sort of this roll of the dice, then I don't

00:22:19.980 support children transitioning. Don't you think, Blair, this is where the whole thing might unravel?

00:22:27.380 Even with the thing like women's sports, people be like, you know what, fair enough, you know,

00:22:31.540 trans women are women, they can take part, they can be a shot putter, they can win the gold in

00:22:35.340 the olympics it doesn't russians have been doing it for years exactly but when it comes to people's

00:22:42.660 kids and you start messing with their kids that's when the whole thing is going to unravel and

00:22:49.340 people quite rightly are going to get very angry about it yes absolutely and this is the main

00:22:57.060 disconnect the biggest disconnect between the trans community and the rest of the world you

00:23:02.200 know i find that the trans community is often so insular and so hive-minded that they don't

00:23:07.880 understand how they're coming across to the general population and one thing the general

00:23:12.560 population doesn't quite like is when you mess with kids when you're drugging kids when you're

00:23:17.620 giving kids surgeries and when you're if you are perceived to be a threat to children your

00:23:22.480 movement's really over so um that's why i fight so hard against it because i don't want the trans

00:23:28.620 community or trans people, individuals who are trans to be seen as a danger to society or

00:23:33.660 children. Same thing with women. You know, there's a big divide between some feminists and trans

00:23:39.880 people. And I think you guys will cover that as well. I interviewed certain feminists on your

00:23:44.200 channel that feel that way. And for me, it's very hard for me to not understand where they're coming

00:23:49.900 from because you have situations like in Los Angeles recently, a trans person allegedly went

00:23:56.160 into a nude spa and was pre-op meaning that they had male genitals and it is around women and

00:24:04.660 children and I think that that's absolutely disgusting and if I was you know a biological

00:24:10.580 woman reading that story I would be like I'm done I'm done caring about this this is awful

00:24:15.380 so I think that there is a really big PR problem with the trans community um and if I had it my

00:24:23.500 way i would change almost all of the messaging and almost all of the things that we are allegedly

00:24:29.100 fighting for but isn't part of the problem as well is that word community when the reality is

00:24:35.280 you know trans people look at like take you for example you know you supported you voted for trump

00:24:41.000 in the 2016 election i don't know if sorry twice you voted for trump twice right okay you're right

00:24:48.840 sub-centre conservative trans woman. The reality is there is no trans community. It's just different

00:24:55.800 people who have gender dysphoria and then they live their lives as they choose. Isn't that part

00:25:01.240 of the problem that we just think of trans people and gay people as this homogenous blob?

00:25:07.440 Yes, you're absolutely right. And even I fall into that, saying words like trans community,

00:25:13.420 when in reality we aren't a monolith, you know? And I think that there are so many more people

00:25:18.000 in the trans community that agree with me than people realize um i think that as we've sort of

00:25:23.620 been touching on kind of the biggest theme of this episode is like people just don't feel like they

00:25:27.820 can say how they really feel and that includes trans people you know oftentimes they don't feel

00:25:31.920 like they're gonna get a community from maybe right-wingers or people that aren't in the trans

00:25:35.660 community so they're gonna go along with at least publicly whatever the current narrative of the

00:25:40.440 community is. Um, but I mean, I can tell you, um, I often go to bars in the LGBT part of West

00:25:49.540 Hollywood and I can't walk more than two feet without trans people coming up to me, hugging me,

00:25:55.180 saying they agree with me and saying they can never say that they agree with me, but that they

00:25:58.800 do, but then they see how badly I get treated and they don't want that. Um, so it's interesting.

00:26:05.940 i think that people should start to see people more as individuals um but that's so hard when

00:26:13.280 you know we are so divided amongst groups and labels and i think we just have to work to get

00:26:18.820 out about the best we can well you talked about the messaging and how we feel up to you change

00:26:24.020 almost everything that's what i was really gonna ask is what is what is a healthy way of approaching

00:26:29.560 this whole, this whole conversation that we've been having? Hmm. I think if I had just my magic

00:26:37.420 wand and I could change the mindset of the, of the community, I would, I would say we need to

00:26:43.680 absolutely halt surgeries, puberty blockers and hormones for our children. I think that it's such

00:26:49.540 a vast injustice that there are so many kids right now. I mean, if you even look up the word

00:26:56.440 detransition or detransitioner on YouTube. It's just like the number of young kids is growing

00:27:03.060 every day, uploading their videos and they're going viral for it. So it's not like it can be

00:27:07.100 ignored. It's just kid after kid, after kid, after kid saying they got looped into believing they're

00:27:11.620 trans by their peer group or by the internet. And now that they permanently altered their bodies,

00:27:16.540 they realize it was a regret and I can't imagine anything more tragic. So, um, stop with the kids

00:27:23.980 stuff. And, uh, I think that we need to return to viewing it as a medical issue. Um, we need to

00:27:31.720 continue to destigmatize mental health and mental disorders and go back to admitting that gender

00:27:36.900 dysphoria is a disorder. It's like I said, my earliest memories in life were gender dysphoria.

00:27:42.680 I was four years old feeling like I didn't want to be called he, and I didn't know why I was four

00:27:47.600 years old wanting to play with the girls and not knowing why I was four years old being uncomfortable

00:27:51.940 with my male name and not knowing why. Um, what I know now is that oftentimes that's the result

00:27:58.580 of feminization in the womb, which is not part of my, not in my control. Um, and so when you have

00:28:04.900 that span the entirety of your life, it's hard for me to not view it as a disorder when it causes

00:28:09.660 distress. Um, I think that we need to stop with ridiculous narratives. Like it's transphobic to

00:28:15.680 not date trans people. I think we need to stop with, with all of it. I think all of those things

00:28:21.080 do such harm to actual trans people and it creates such backlash that i would rather focus on so much

00:28:29.100 else and and you say you would rather you'd rather focus on so much else and we've talked about the

00:28:34.760 politics of it but why can't you be a trans woman and be a trump supporter why do you have to be on

00:28:41.720 the left why can't you be on the right and want small government is that so crazy right right and

00:28:49.460 And it always gets me when people pretend as if it's some sort of contradiction, as if the only thing I'm supposed to care about is being trans, as if the lens in which I view every political geopolitical issue is supposed to be through the lens of being trans.

00:29:04.820 Like, what the fuck does being trans have to do with my view on the economy, with the size and role of the government, with foreign policy, with who I'm voting for as governor?

00:29:14.980 like i mean i live in los angeles i live in a blue city and a blue state and i've been miserable

00:29:21.900 under democratic leadership what does that have to do with me being trans i don't quite know

00:29:26.740 what is blair i guess the argument sorry to jump in but i guess the argument if i

00:29:31.280 vocalize the undercurrent that underpins all of this is people on the right are bigots

00:29:37.580 and you are part of a group that is likely to be targeted by bigots that's i think the message

00:29:46.160 right right and um it's interesting someone actually messaged me yesterday and said why

00:29:52.140 would you be you know on the right when they don't actually like you which is like i feel like if

00:29:58.520 people on the right didn't like me i wouldn't have all the success i've had over the years i mean

00:30:01.860 hundreds of millions of views from a primarily conservative audience um gotten to travel the

00:30:06.820 country speaking to groups of thousands of young people that are conservatives like

00:30:10.180 I'm not quite confident in saying that the right just hates me but even if they did even if every

00:30:16.240 single conservative person looked at me as something evil or bad or didn't like me because

00:30:21.400 I'm trans let's give them that even if every single one I'm not part I don't vote based on

00:30:27.180 how other people feel or vote I'm not part I'm not I don't vote Republican because I want to be part

00:30:32.840 of some group or because I want to be part of some tribe. I vote Republican because it most

00:30:37.100 closely, not perfectly, but most closely aligns with how I think the government should be ran.

00:30:41.780 It's really that simple. I think people that seek community in political spaces

00:30:46.380 find themselves following narratives and groupthink rather than thinking for themselves.

00:30:52.860 So someone messaged me asking me, why would you be Republican when they all hate you?

00:30:57.380 And pointed to like one Republican who said something nasty about me,

00:31:00.560 some completely irrelevant commentator and i responded wow that's amazing thank you for

00:31:06.380 enlightening me i'm now a democrat because this one republican said something nasty about me

00:31:10.840 that completely erases the years of thousands of death threats and doxing and personal attacks

00:31:16.140 from democrats thank you so if i mean if you want to gauge where i get the most love from

00:31:21.400 it's going to be the right so and we're talking about this do you not think that a part of it

00:31:27.580 is because the left, the Democrats want to see you as a victim. And you obviously don't identify

00:31:33.820 that way. And as a result of that, it really fucking pisses them off, if I'm being honest.

00:31:40.000 Right. But you know what? It pisses me off more that people insist that I am some sort of victim,

00:31:44.460 that it's something controversial for me to say I am not a victim. I'm a young, successful,

00:31:50.040 I'm beautiful, I'm an entrepreneur, I live my life on my own terms, I've come from nothing and

00:31:55.260 created everything that I have now, which is an incredibly blessed life. I am so far from a

00:31:59.160 victim. I know people who are not trans who suffer 10 times more than me. I know people who are black

00:32:04.180 who suffer less than more than me. It's all about being an individual. And I think that this push

00:32:11.980 to view people as a collective or as a group or as other trans people are suffering, so that means

00:32:17.080 all trans people are victims are suffering, is so toxic. And I think that it's a very self-defeating

00:32:21.980 lens to view the world. I think that when you view the world through this adversarial lens

00:32:28.460 and you see like cis people or I hate that word, but cis people or white people or straight people

00:32:34.280 as the enemy, you're never going to get ahead in life. And so it seems to me that what I'm

00:32:39.800 arguing for is so much healthier for the trans community to believe in, which is self-reliance,

00:32:45.400 independence, entrepreneurship, and just killing it. Like just go out in life and kill it. That's

00:32:50.660 what you have to do um being trans doesn't hold you back if anything being trans has created more

00:32:56.620 opportunities for me it's just different doors it's not any less doors that are open for you

00:33:01.560 because you're trans it's just different doors and you have to learn to walk through them

00:33:05.000 and navigate with the best of the cards that you're dealt and i'm gonna i want to ask you

00:33:11.640 a question why don't you like the term cis because that's the term that really really

00:33:15.800 gets on i was gonna say women's tits but that's not appropriate that's a south londonism

00:33:19.940 um i just think that it's um a bit useless for one and i think that as long as there are enough

00:33:27.420 people who are cis who said they don't want to be called cis if we're living in this world where

00:33:31.540 people don't want to be labeled things that don't want to be labeled then i just try not to use it

00:33:35.460 you know um i think that it's just fine enough to say trans versus biological women or not trans

00:33:43.220 or trans um I think that you don't have to classify 99.8 percent of the population or whatever I think

00:33:50.620 that it's just annoying it's more so annoying I don't hate it I don't have some passionate

00:33:55.400 burning hate for but I just think it's annoying yeah uh and listen I'm gonna ask you something

00:34:00.180 kind of provocative in a way do you get bored talking about this stuff are you bored that

00:34:04.640 we're asking you about trans for the first half an hour of this interview no it's not that I'm

00:34:09.660 bored um at all i'm totally happy to talk about these issues because if i'm not talking about it

00:34:15.640 in this way i don't really know any other influencers that are and so i think that it's

00:34:19.120 important um but if i'm being honest there is a bit of a disconnect between like the things that

00:34:25.780 i talk about online and the things that make up my real life and that are important to me in real

00:34:30.720 life like in my real life me being trans is it's never an issue it's not a topic of conversation

00:34:37.580 with my friends and family it's not something that i walk down the street and start having a

00:34:41.820 conversation with someone about being trans so it it is primarily exclusive to online discourse so

00:34:48.500 it's never that i'm bored it's just that you know in my real life there are such i guess bigger

00:34:55.180 issues like right fucking rise of communism in the united states like that's that's like almost

00:35:00.820 more so where my head is at most of the time but you know i do i will never not talk about trans

00:35:06.780 issues as long as no one else is willing to talk about them like this you know there are

00:35:10.940 you know maybe a hundred other trans youtubers and almost none of them say the things i say

00:35:17.600 about trans stuff so until the majority are saying it i'll continue i'll continue saying it

00:35:22.080 the reason i ask you is uh from a kind of youtuber's perspective you've been incredibly

00:35:26.720 successful uh with with your channel and i was wondering whether you feel somewhat trapped by

00:35:33.880 the audience that you've built by talking about this issue when you really you want to be talking

00:35:38.440 about other sides of the you know you talk about some of your political views do you ever feel a

00:35:43.060 bit like you'd be quite keen to break out of that a little bit or do you take your audience with you

00:35:48.040 how do you feel about that sometimes you know um i think one of the things that i have done well

00:35:55.700 is i've made my audience care about me as a person and not just the issues i talk about so um you

00:36:01.340 know, on my channel, you'll find personal videos. You'll find, um, videos where I call out, you know,

00:36:07.520 child predators. I'm posting one of those later today. Um, I guess sometimes I feel like I'm like

00:36:13.920 forced to talk about trans issues on my channel, but at the same time, like I said, I don't mind

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00:37:54.480 Blair, do you sometimes feel, I'm going to level with you.

00:37:59.540 The more we've gone through this pandemic, the more I've become a conspiracy theorist.

00:38:03.300 When I started this pandemic.

00:38:04.400 Me too.

00:38:05.120 Yeah, you know, that's what happens when you've got access to weed and a laptop plus 24-hour internet.

00:38:11.980 Do you know what I mean?

00:38:12.460 but no but do you not feel sometimes that you're being used as a political pawn

00:38:19.000 the whole trans thing that you know to people so people get riled up whilst other things are

00:38:23.980 happening that are actually far more important and affect every single person on this planet

00:38:28.880 yeah i feel like it often is a distraction um it's not to say these issues don't matter because

00:38:37.800 i think there are you know real life consequences but right i would be lying if i said i cared more

00:38:45.460 about it than you know the entire world being locked down over a virus with a 99.7 survival rate

00:38:52.400 um with like more and more of my generation identifying as communists with cuba you know

00:39:00.040 rising up for the first time and then the mainstream media completely covering it up by

00:39:03.360 saying that it's about the virus when it's about communism um you know i think that there are more

00:39:09.640 pressing threats um but i also think the culture war matters and i think that you know to have

00:39:18.260 more of a position of power for our side to implement change when it comes to bigger threats

00:39:22.580 like communism and lockdowns and all of that you have to win the culture war and why is that blow

00:39:29.080 why do you have to win the culture war because the oops sorry because the long and short of it

00:39:35.440 is people vote on the culture war most people don't have the time to educate themselves on

00:39:40.720 any sort of real substantive policy on the economy on foreign policy and so while all

00:39:46.220 those things can be great and the right can rail about them all day and night most people

00:39:50.560 if you break it down why didn't they want to vote for trump because he's racist and he hates trans

00:39:56.940 people. That's literally what people would say. So until you're reading narrative of these social

00:40:02.600 issues, you're not going to win elections or win anyone's favor. Obviously, I think a lot more was

00:40:12.020 at stake in the election than trans issues or racial issues. But those are the issues that

00:40:19.300 most people, their capacity for understanding who they should vote for ends there. It doesn't go

00:40:25.460 any further if you go on the street and you ask people i mean i'm a really big fan of um like on

00:40:31.240 the street videos where people go and interview people i've done some of them as well um and

00:40:35.700 those videos where people ask people why are you not voting for trump and it's like well because

00:40:39.500 he he did this to trans people well he's racist people don't think beyond that um so you have to

00:40:45.740 win the culture war and it's very interesting you say that that you have to win the culture war

00:40:50.720 because people on the left are denying that the culture war even exists

00:40:53.800 well they deny everything exists i mean a very good example of that is like if you say um

00:41:00.220 anytime you tweet you guys can test it out if you tweet that biological sex is real it'll be

00:41:06.360 nothing but left-wing activists saying no one thinks it's not real no one thinks it's not real

00:41:11.300 but yet you have tons of activists going viral every day for saying that it's not real um they

00:41:17.380 have double standards they like to pretend things don't exist when they exist if they can't win on

00:41:22.000 issue they ignore it which is kind of genius if you ask me actually um you know I think that is

00:41:28.140 the mo you're absolutely right and do you think that we're ever going to get out of this mess

00:41:34.060 because here's the thing Blair maybe it's because I'm getting old but I was remembering a time where

00:41:39.740 people were more civil to one another we weren't at each other's throats we weren't hyper partisan

00:41:45.160 do you ever do you think we can ever get back to that place or do you think that we're just

00:41:49.740 progressing on the road to hell as it were right i mean i'm not that old i'm 27 but i am old but i

00:41:59.020 also too remember um a time where it wasn't like this at all either um and i guess what's scary is

00:42:05.780 that younger people don't remember that time like people who were maybe becoming teenagers or young

00:42:12.500 adults um around like 2014 2015 when there was kind of this shift like i remember the shift you

00:42:19.020 know um they don't remember a time where it wasn't like this and this is just how they interact with

00:42:23.960 other people um so that's scary but i think that if you look at history the pendulum always swings

00:42:30.940 um i think people will get sick of what's happening eventually um how long that'll take i can't really

00:42:36.400 say but someday this is going to sound really nihilistic and dark someday nothing will

00:42:45.040 fucking matter like someday the world's just gonna end and like the sun's gonna fade out and

00:42:50.040 all this bullshit we're doing will not fucking matter so maybe that's the day all this will be

00:42:54.780 over but hopefully it'll be sooner than that and you identified a shift between 2014 and 2015

00:43:01.340 i find that very interesting we've talked to many many people over the culture war

00:43:05.300 i can't remember somebody saying that what particular shift was there and was it a particular

00:43:11.100 event or something you notice as a general rule? I think 2015, Trump announcing his candidacy

00:43:21.260 was definitely a moment because then you saw the media rallying against him. You saw the smears

00:43:28.960 start and things just got really nasty. The discourse got really nasty. People began attacking

00:43:34.600 each other in ways that was seen as maybe uncouth or not acceptable prior to that.

00:43:38.560 but there has been prior to that there was a slow burn of academic integrity that was happening on

00:43:46.640 college campuses that's something that I experienced and that was the subject of my

00:43:52.420 first video ever was my experience on college campuses I think it started there I think that

00:43:58.000 in 2014 there just suddenly were more activists than ever in professor roles in colleges and

00:44:06.140 it started in like gender studies classes in my opinion uh and eventually just kind of overtook

00:44:13.320 everything and there was this weird not weird there was this glorious time where people were

00:44:19.680 against labels and against seeing people in terms of groups and labels um is that saying racism or

00:44:26.400 sexism and all that was over no but let's say it was pretty mitigated and i would say that was like

00:44:31.960 the mid-2000s, where there was very much an anti-label sort of movement. And then it went

00:44:37.500 to the opposite around 2014, like I said. I can't say exactly like a split moment, but I think it

00:44:43.520 was just a slow burn that happened over time. But I miss the days when you could just say stuff that

00:44:48.840 you wanted to say. I miss the days when you didn't view people who disagreed with you as your mortal

00:44:52.340 enemy. I miss the days when you could disagree with someone without telling them to kill themselves.

00:44:57.320 obviously um it's it's sad and it's sad to see what people are doing to each other

00:45:03.400 yeah it's a good point and it's the reason we started the show and by the way neither

00:45:09.140 francis are particularly on the right even but we do find increasingly that it's easier to have

00:45:14.240 honest and open conversations with people who are right leaning at least and left leaning and

00:45:18.760 that bothers me because a lot of our values you might say are somewhat on the left certainly by

00:45:23.600 uk standards anyway uh but let me ask you this are you are you optimistic for america because

00:45:28.820 we kind of from outside we see a lot of people we talked about it before we started the interview

00:45:33.340 uh people are now moving to states that have the policies that they prefer and that sort of

00:45:39.460 alignment and you know are you gonna have like 25 red states all kind of bunched up somewhere in the

00:45:45.280 south and then uh 25 blue states on the coast is that what's gonna happen here

00:45:49.780 am i optimistic

00:45:53.880 well that's a loaded question because i feel like the last year and a half has shown me that

00:45:59.780 like literally anything can fucking happen i remember you know yep like i don't know if you

00:46:05.880 guys feel the same way but like january through mid-march of 2020 feels like a different planet

00:46:12.280 like a different world like i i think of like my life back then and it's like speaking of a shift

00:46:19.420 that was a shift i never would have thought in a million years of everything that happened from

00:46:23.840 you know i don't know what it was like over there necessarily but just the world being shut down and

00:46:28.800 just i remember being in my apartment in hollywood overlooking the walk of fame and seeing tens of

00:46:35.640 thousands of people and military tanks and cop cars on fire and just the craziest shit i've ever

00:46:41.320 seen and having to evacuate where i live because the world was just on fire um so anything can

00:46:48.980 happen. But I am hopeful that with now things reopening, people's mental health maybe being

00:46:56.580 realigned a little bit, slowly but surely, I am hopeful. I think that we will persevere. I just

00:47:03.200 think that it's going to be an ugly road to get there. And I think there's going to have to be

00:47:06.360 a lot of reckoning of things that maybe the left does not want to admit. A lot of the things we

00:47:12.700 talked about here today, a lot of those things they ignore rather than argue about because they

00:47:16.660 can't win on it um i'm i'm hopeful maybe doesn't sound like it but i guess i am no it really doesn't

00:47:23.760 everything's fucked okay i will see and being being english i'm very much appreciative of that

00:47:31.620 blair you're always welcome here anytime you want we're all miserable bastards so that that's just

00:47:36.360 the english way of looking at things i mean i i i share your opinion i mean do you think with

00:47:44.400 everything that happened social media needs to take a lot more responsibility for all of this

00:47:49.340 everything that we've seen absolutely I think that man it's hard for me to knock social media

00:47:58.860 for the simple fact that I've I live like a really awesome life because of it uh in my real

00:48:05.760 life but um I think that it's done a lot to people it's made people so quick to react to things it's

00:48:12.400 caused so much misinformation it's caused people to segregate even more um you know one of the

00:48:20.460 things that i think social media has done is it's caused people to not view other people as people

00:48:29.160 reviewing people as screen names reviewing people as i as avatars and not as real people and so i

00:48:34.600 think that it has affected the discourse in like the political sphere of america in a really ugly

00:48:40.500 way it's dictating the way in which politicians here you know lead um based on if they get twitter

00:48:48.140 backlash or not which i think is really toxic and not a way to lead at all but it also brings to

00:48:53.440 light a lot of really important things so i think like everything else in the human experience it's

00:48:57.620 like it's the good and the bad and the ugly and the beautiful and it's all mixed together well

00:49:03.400 this is what i think about sometimes it's like if i could press a button and un-invent twitter would

00:49:08.220 i and the truth is i wouldn't you'd need about three new hobbies mate exactly uh and and a lot

00:49:14.660 of people i could piss off with no consequence which is uh which isn't going to happen anywhere

00:49:18.560 else uh bler listen it's been an absolute pleasure chatting with you um let let let us ask you our

00:49:24.780 last question before we do a couple for locals what is the one thing that we're not talking

00:49:28.980 about as a society that we really should be well my sphere of the internet is talking about this

00:49:40.080 but the mainstream is not the general public is not i think that there is an extreme i don't want

00:49:45.280 to put anyone's mood down but i think that there is an extreme push towards the sexualization and

00:49:49.600 normalization of pedophilia um and i think that if that makes me a conspiracy theorist in some

00:49:54.360 people's eyes that's fine because i think it's real um i think more and more you're seeing stories

00:49:58.520 about really inappropriate texts and videos being shown to kids in school

00:50:02.660 against their parents' consent.

00:50:04.120 You're seeing Drag Queen Story Hour,

00:50:05.640 which was invented by literal convicted pedophiles.

00:50:10.940 And all these things are being normalized.

00:50:12.820 So I think that it's almost the most important thing we can talk about,

00:50:16.500 which is why it's become a staple on my channel,

00:50:18.760 fighting against the normalization of pedophiles.

00:50:22.220 So let's get into this bit of a very, very thorny issue.

00:50:25.580 So what particular examples could you give, Blair?

00:50:28.520 Well, I think that we've seen in recent years sort of a mobilization of pedophiles as a community and a push to de-stigmatize themselves by calling them a politically correct term called MAPS, which is Minor Attracted People.

00:50:46.120 Many people maybe don't know that exists or that's a thing, but it's a thing. I've chronicled it on my channel. You can watch videos on my channel about that.

00:50:52.100 um you have them trying to latch on to the lgbt community which is pretty fucked up considering

00:50:58.480 the lgbt community have fought against stereotypes of being predators and pedophiles for decades

00:51:03.300 uh you know you have sexuality and gender identity being taught at painfully young ages to kids and

00:51:14.140 in ways that are much more explicit than ever i think that you know for people my age and certainly

00:51:19.500 you guys's age although i don't know how it is in the uk i can speak for you know the american

00:51:24.060 school system the way in which we were taught about sexuality and reproduction was a very

00:51:29.320 sanitized sort of um method through just seeing very technical terms and scientific pictures and

00:51:37.000 whatever and now you're seeing kids in classrooms watching videos straight up about intercourse and

00:51:44.080 about sex and explicit cartoons and um you know i think that there is an assault on on kids right

00:51:53.560 now in terms of sexualizing them and i can't if you ask me where exactly it's coming from is there

00:52:00.200 some power that is pushing this or funding this i can't name it i don't know but i know that it's

00:52:07.380 a thing and it's uh pretty scary well it's good that you brought it up and uh i'm sure that's

00:52:13.280 something we'll be paying even more attention to than I think.

00:52:17.040 You're not the first person who said this,

00:52:19.600 and I think there's a lot of truth in what you say.

00:52:22.080 Anyway, Blair, we've got to let you go.

00:52:23.700 We'll do a couple of quick questions for locals.

00:52:25.620 So before we do let you go,

00:52:27.340 just remind everybody where they can find you online.

00:52:30.900 Just search me up, Blair White, on a new platform.

00:52:33.340 I'm pretty much the only Blair White,

00:52:35.460 but YouTube is my main one,

00:52:37.180 so go subscribe to my YouTube at youtube.com slash Blair White X,

00:52:40.740 all one word.

00:52:41.320 And there's an E at the end of Blair.

00:52:42.580 everyone forgets. Fantastic, Blair. Thanks so much for coming on the show. And thank you all

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TRIGGERnometry - July 25, 2021

＂Gender Dysphoria Is a Mental Disorder＂ - Blaire White

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