TRIGGERnometry - Hilarious Comedian Jeff Dye： Why the World's Gone Crazy!

00:00:00.880 What's interesting as well is how comedians try and censor other comedians.

00:00:05.740 Jokes about r*****, jokes about disabled people.

00:00:10.280 Pedophilia.

00:00:10.920 Right up my alley.

00:00:12.180 You've got more skeletons in your closet than Halloween.

00:00:14.740 And then you're going to go, you know who's really moral?

00:00:16.900 This guy.

00:00:17.860 You don't really have that here as much.

00:00:21.220 Yet.

00:00:22.160 No, there's nothing you can talk about that isn't political.

00:00:25.420 Every female comic I know is bisexual, but they're not.

00:00:28.100 All women, somehow, are on the same team, which I've never experienced.

00:00:31.840 No.

00:00:33.300 I'd imagine if you laid out a reasonable person's thoughts, you'd have things in all these different categories.

00:00:39.020 However, if it's all on the left, you're like, how is it conveniently all on the left?

00:00:43.920 And same with all the right.

00:00:45.060 Like, the odds of that are preposterous.

00:00:46.860 He's inarguably funny.

00:00:48.220 I don't know if I want him to be.

00:00:50.080 I don't know if it's a good thing.

00:00:54.260 Jeff, welcome to Trigonometry.

00:00:55.760 Thanks for having me, boys.

00:00:56.640 Well, it's great to have you on, man.

00:00:58.300 We're big fans.

00:00:59.760 You're hilarious.

00:01:00.820 Your stuff is great.

00:01:01.480 Thank you very much.

00:01:01.660 It comes up on my social feeds all the time.

00:01:04.120 Tell us a little bit about you, like your story.

00:01:06.080 Who are you?

00:01:07.420 I was born in Kent, Washington.

00:01:09.700 That's a little woods town, a little blue-collar town south of Seattle, Washington.

00:01:15.840 And I was like a class clown and a goofball, and all I ever wanted to be was a comedian.

00:01:20.540 Well, I guess I wanted to be a baseball player, but that wasn't in the cards.

00:01:24.340 And I knew that even while that was happening.

00:01:26.780 And then from there, I moved up to Seattle after high school to become a comedian, and

00:01:31.680 that's what I've been ever since.

00:01:33.920 Seattle.

00:01:34.600 Pretty short.

00:01:35.040 Yeah.

00:01:35.400 I mean, that is a good summation.

00:01:37.400 Was Seattle as mental as it is now?

00:01:40.020 No, it wasn't.

00:01:41.560 And that's why I used to love Seattle my entire life and why I still root for their sports teams.

00:01:45.720 But now I'm always like, I'm from Kent.

00:01:47.760 I'm not from Seattle.

00:01:49.180 It's because Seattle used to be, at least in my memory, so this is, some people might

00:01:54.340 hear this and go, what is he talking, this was just my experience.

00:01:57.560 Seattle was artistic and, like, fun.

00:01:59.700 And, like, we had all these hippies.

00:02:01.180 We had all these weirdos.

00:02:02.540 We had all these, like, progressives and artists who were, like, progressive sexually

00:02:07.580 and they were progressive artistically.

00:02:08.860 They were all the things you see now, but they were nice about it.

00:02:12.460 They were hippies.

00:02:13.640 They weren't angry hipsters.

00:02:15.840 Now those same types are very angry and very political and very socialist and very, like,

00:02:23.580 it's the same stuff but angry.

00:02:26.280 And that's what I don't like.

00:02:27.520 And it's such a good point because I remember growing up around those people and being kind

00:02:31.560 of part of those people in my late teens, early 20s, you know, and you'd hang out and,

00:02:36.720 you know, they'd talk and, you know, it'd be nonsense.

00:02:38.920 You're wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt.

00:02:40.300 Yeah, and he kind of executed gay people.

00:02:42.340 But let's not focus on that.

00:02:43.580 Right, right.

00:02:44.060 But you just...

00:02:44.480 Well, we didn't even know that.

00:02:45.360 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:45.760 You just go, I've seen that shirt.

00:02:47.060 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:47.580 It was like Darth Vader or something.

00:02:48.600 Yeah, exactly.

00:02:49.480 Cool cheekbones.

00:02:50.300 What does it mean?

00:02:50.900 Don't worry about it.

00:02:51.620 But, and then it just went weird.

00:02:54.360 Yeah.

00:02:54.760 And then it got really angry.

00:02:56.300 Like, before, I always wanted to go to Seattle.

00:02:58.160 You know, the Jimi Hendrix Museum.

00:02:59.900 Yes.

00:03:00.180 The design of the museum on fire.

00:03:02.420 EMP, yeah.

00:03:03.640 And now you're like, will I get killed?

00:03:05.460 Right.

00:03:05.940 I know.

00:03:06.300 And that's, it feels militant.

00:03:08.320 Yeah, it feels very militant.

00:03:09.960 And it's also like, I remember when I was being a young, straight, white guy and thinking...

00:03:15.080 Has that changed?

00:03:15.840 No.

00:03:16.580 No, still those things.

00:03:18.260 But as a, well, I'm not young anymore, I guess.

00:03:20.080 But I remember, like, seeing, like, those progressives and the artists and the poets and the comedians

00:03:24.720 and musicians and thinking, I want to be like them.

00:03:27.460 Yeah.

00:03:27.800 Now I see them and I'm, I want to cross the street.

00:03:30.700 I'm annoyed by them.

00:03:32.320 And so that's the only difference is that, like, they, they, they don't, they don't feel

00:03:36.120 like something I want to be a part of anymore.

00:03:38.000 And you've moved to LA to get away from all that.

00:03:40.260 Yeah.

00:03:40.620 I used to joke that I moved from Seattle to Los Angeles, so I didn't meet a Republican

00:03:45.640 until I was like 34.

00:03:47.680 Republicans were like Bigfoot to me.

00:03:48.960 I was like, what, you saw one?

00:03:50.540 Are they as strong as I've heard?

00:03:52.500 Yeah.

00:03:52.820 It wasn't a, it wasn't a thing necessarily to be like a conservative, it wasn't popular

00:03:58.380 or cool, you know, and not that it is now either, but I don't know, like Seattle's just

00:04:03.560 changed in that way.

00:04:04.460 But I don't get that read from you anyway.

00:04:05.980 I don't get that you're a conservative.

00:04:07.240 I just think you're someone who's like thinking and seeing the world more as it is, as opposed

00:04:12.280 to through these ideological filters, which is what comedians kind of supposed to do,

00:04:15.600 right?

00:04:15.820 Exactly.

00:04:16.360 Well, I like to think that like, if you laid out everyone's political thoughts, they would

00:04:21.920 be all over because everyone tries to go, well, I'm not a Trumper, but I'm conservative

00:04:26.140 or I'm not, uh, I, I'm, I'm left leaning, but I'm not all the way over here.

00:04:31.500 You know, trans ideologies to everyone wants to be the reasonable thing.

00:04:36.060 They're always claiming they're the reasonable thing.

00:04:38.760 So I'd imagine if you laid out a reasonable person's thoughts, you'd have things in all

00:04:43.260 these different categories.

00:04:44.840 However, a red flag should be when you only have things in one category.

00:04:49.840 Like, like if you, if you can, everything goes down the list, you should probably wonder

00:04:53.300 where you're getting your news and where you're, what your real thoughts are.

00:04:56.520 That's a really good point.

00:04:57.720 Yeah.

00:04:58.020 That's a really good point.

00:04:59.320 If it's all on the left, you're like, how is it conveniently all on the left?

00:05:03.500 And same with all the right.

00:05:04.640 You're like, how could you have all of those ideas be the same?

00:05:07.520 Like the odds of that are preposterous.

00:05:09.180 Right.

00:05:09.500 Well, especially when you often find, I think it's fair.

00:05:12.560 Like when we were on Rogan just a few weeks ago, we, we, he showed this clip of a guy

00:05:17.100 who goes to an anti-ice protest and talks about human rights.

00:05:20.760 And he's like, you believe in human rights, right?

00:05:22.480 Right.

00:05:22.780 Right.

00:05:22.980 And they're all like, yeah, yeah.

00:05:23.740 What about the unborn?

00:05:24.860 Like, because both sides have contradictory ideas and these like little dark areas that

00:05:32.720 they don't want to look into because it's inconvenient to the party line.

00:05:36.600 A hundred percent.

00:05:37.000 So if you think for yourself, you're probably never going to be all one side or the other.

00:05:42.140 And it annoys my fans because, uh, some of my fans think because I'm on Gutfeld or Fox

00:05:47.520 that I have to have the thoughts of everything on the right.

00:05:51.440 So if I make a poke or a jab at something that doesn't perfectly fit into that, they're

00:05:55.260 like, what?

00:05:56.120 He shouldn't be on here anymore.

00:05:57.300 And you're like, no, I'm not.

00:05:58.200 I'm fighting against that.

00:05:59.460 I am like leaning very right these days, but it's only because society is because society,

00:06:06.120 that's what's most reasonable right now.

00:06:08.720 And by their opinion or their definition of what is right.

00:06:13.220 Well, this is what I always say to people about my views as well.

00:06:15.720 It's exactly the same, which is like, if the car is heading down the road, but instead

00:06:21.120 of heading down the middle of the road, it is steering way the to the left and is about

00:06:24.980 to crash.

00:06:25.680 Well, you yank it to the right.

00:06:27.160 Absolutely.

00:06:27.660 Don't you?

00:06:28.340 So it's, if you believe that you want the car to be going down the middle, that doesn't

00:06:33.460 mean you're always going to be pulling in this direction or that, because it's really

00:06:36.700 about where the rest of the society is.

00:06:38.240 A hundred percent.

00:06:38.780 And if you think about, well, I think we're similar age, the stuff that is going on now,

00:06:44.380 how crazy it would have sounded.

00:06:46.700 Yes.

00:06:47.300 Even to the far left.

00:06:49.400 Yes.

00:06:49.540 20 years ago.

00:06:50.880 All this stuff about like open borders, like Bernie Sanders.

00:06:53.620 It's insane.

00:06:54.340 It's insane.

00:06:54.940 Yeah.

00:06:55.100 I have a joke that I used to like, I don't even remember what the bit was, but if I could

00:07:00.660 sense that the audience was even pulling back, I would go, listen, stop for a second.

00:07:06.380 If I was standing on this exact stage 10 years ago and I told you men could have babies, you

00:07:11.720 would think I was the stupidest person you've ever heard.

00:07:14.360 And now you're sitting in those exact chairs acting like you've always thought this.

00:07:18.180 So either A, you don't really believe what you claim you believe, or B, your ideas have

00:07:24.520 changed also.

00:07:25.600 So this is a new idea even for you.

00:07:28.060 Even you would have to admit that you've adopted the idea that you've always believed men could

00:07:33.140 have babies.

00:07:33.660 You didn't always think that.

00:07:34.800 That's preposterous.

00:07:36.000 And so I'm always kind of like pushing on that kind of stuff.

00:07:39.580 And it's not just as well being a comedian.

00:07:41.840 It's not just as well like your audience, because everything is super polarized.

00:07:46.160 And, you know, you know what the algorithm is.

00:07:48.940 You know what the algorithm lies.

00:07:50.700 The more you, you know, the more you go to one side and it's spicy, the better it's going

00:07:54.760 to do, whether it's left spicy or right spicy.

00:07:57.100 Right.

00:07:57.760 But what's interesting as well is how comedians try and censor other comedians.

00:08:02.860 Never seen it till recently.

00:08:04.700 Like I've heard about it, but I've never witnessed it till now.

00:08:09.020 Right.

00:08:09.520 Yeah.

00:08:09.720 Well, it's like this is far more prevalent in the UK.

00:08:12.380 So Zoran got elected, got elected, obviously.

00:08:15.180 And I put out a tweet, which is New York is a city that never sleeps.

00:08:19.860 And the reason for that is Zoran's just brought in a 5 a.m. call to prayer.

00:08:24.820 That's great.

00:08:25.680 Yeah.

00:08:26.100 And then I'm more of a, yeah, that's a, that's a, that's a kind of a cheeky.

00:08:29.920 That's kind of like a clean joke.

00:08:31.740 Yeah.

00:08:32.980 Really?

00:08:33.800 Not in the UK.

00:08:34.620 Realistically, yeah.

00:08:35.660 And I've had comedians go, Francis, what the hell are you doing?

00:08:38.700 What are you, why are you saying this stuff?

00:08:40.020 Because, you know, it's seen as like, you can't joke about certain things because if

00:08:47.320 you do, that means that you're bigoted.

00:08:50.180 So like, for instance, you can take the piss out of Christians, but you can't take the piss

00:08:54.400 out of Islam.

00:08:55.140 Which is preposterous.

00:08:56.320 And the thing that I love about America is you don't really have that here as much.

00:09:02.780 Yet.

00:09:04.200 It's coming.

00:09:05.560 Yeah.

00:09:05.880 Is it?

00:09:06.160 It feels like it's coming.

00:09:07.140 I mean, look at Canada.

00:09:08.040 I mean, look at, like, it's, that's right above us.

00:09:10.640 I mean, and like, look what's going on in New York.

00:09:12.660 I mean, like, I feel like we're on, unless we can really make some dramatic changes in

00:09:18.900 social opinions or, or, or common think, like then, then I think it's coming.

00:09:24.440 But I love that joke.

00:09:26.000 And I like that idea.

00:09:27.300 Like, that's, that's a very like funny thing.

00:09:29.520 Did you ever think we would be in a time where Anthony Jezelnik is publicly saying what comics

00:09:36.100 should and shouldn't be joking about?

00:09:38.640 It's always.

00:09:39.460 The guy has 60 minutes about killing kids.

00:09:42.180 Right.

00:09:42.520 And babies.

00:09:43.380 But then is mad that like a comic would have a politician on his podcast or would do a joke

00:09:50.040 about gay or trans people.

00:09:51.700 Mark Maron is now policing what comics should and shouldn't say.

00:09:57.140 And instead of saying that he's clutching his pearls and instead of these comics acting

00:10:00.680 like it, it's a PC thing.

00:10:02.360 Instead, they just call it hack.

00:10:04.120 They go, well, it's hack.

00:10:05.460 You're like, well, it's, you can be hack.

00:10:06.960 That's not against the rules.

00:10:08.080 We're allowed to be hack.

00:10:09.160 If you want to call it hack, call it hack.

00:10:11.040 But what you're really doing is your virtue signaling.

00:10:13.340 And you're pretending like that these comics shouldn't be saying it by masking it as saying

00:10:18.520 it's hack.

00:10:18.980 But really, you're offended.

00:10:20.320 Yeah.

00:10:20.720 That like that, you know, these that we're joking about subjects that you don't like.

00:10:24.680 It's so weird as well, because we had the same thing happen in the UK, but like a good

00:10:29.900 five, six years ago when Frankie Boyle, I don't know if you know him.

00:10:33.820 Frankie Boyle was a giant in British comedy with the most offensive jokes.

00:10:39.120 Okay.

00:10:39.600 Jokes about rape.

00:10:41.080 Jokes about disabled people.

00:10:44.420 Pedophilia.

00:10:45.040 Right up my alley.

00:10:46.160 Everything, right?

00:10:47.300 Yeah.

00:10:47.680 And then I think what happened is he got canceled for something.

00:10:52.040 Okay.

00:10:52.500 And he came back and he became this, the most woke person you've ever met.

00:10:57.420 He had an entire show that you just basically get fucking social justice activists on to

00:11:02.100 give a half an hour around pretending it's comedy.

00:11:04.160 And I don't, what I don't understand is, do they not see that given their particular type

00:11:10.180 of comedy, you're talking about Jeselnik as well.

00:11:12.300 Like you have no legs to stand on when it comes to this shit.

00:11:15.800 Well, that's, I mean, it's funny.

00:11:17.120 The second you said that, I started thinking about Howard Stern.

00:11:19.920 Howard Stern as the longest list of sins when it comes to being politically correct.

00:11:26.480 Right.

00:11:26.900 You can find him saying the N word hard R like hundreds of times on the internet.

00:11:30.920 You can see him dressing up in blackface.

00:11:33.440 You can see him doing all the things that he would be against.

00:11:36.980 Now he used to have escorts and prostitutes.

00:11:39.700 I don't even know the term, sex workers, whatever it is.

00:11:41.780 Every single day on his thing.

00:11:43.300 I mean, all this stuff.

00:11:47.240 And now he's super woke.

00:11:49.220 Neil deGrasse Tyson, all of a sudden is a scientist who doesn't want to talk about gender

00:11:52.920 or talk about any of these, what we used to call biology.

00:11:55.680 And it's because he got in trouble, you know, I wonder if that's maybe the motivation of

00:12:02.460 all these people to all of a sudden become this super PC woke person just for their own.

00:12:08.960 I don't know.

00:12:09.540 I mean, do you think that that's a possibility or like, why would this guy do that?

00:12:13.380 Well, you tell me, I don't know if you, if, if this is replicated here in the U S, but

00:12:17.320 I will tell you when I used to do standup on the British comedy circuit, if you watch,

00:12:21.380 if you're standing backstage in the green room watching someone on stage and they bang

00:12:25.020 on about how great a feminist they are.

00:12:26.760 Yeah.

00:12:27.240 They are a sleazebag.

00:12:28.780 They are groping the other female comics in the green room.

00:12:32.300 You know what?

00:12:32.660 Yeah.

00:12:33.020 I don't know anyone that's ever talked to me about being a good feminist ever for even

00:12:37.960 longer than a minute.

00:12:38.960 But that's, that makes total sense.

00:12:40.780 Right.

00:12:41.060 It is something, there's something suspicious about it.

00:12:45.480 Anybody trying to, like anyone trying to pretend they're good actually is kind of suspicious.

00:12:49.700 Like most people are like, uh, they've been humbled and they go, ah, you know, I've made

00:12:54.880 a lot of mistakes.

00:12:55.720 You know, that that's a better way to live your life than pretending that you're like

00:12:59.440 so open-minded and great and all these, I don't know.

00:13:01.820 It's strange.

00:13:02.460 Especially for a comedian.

00:13:04.060 Yeah.

00:13:04.400 Do you know what?

00:13:04.900 I've never met a comedian and you go, you know what?

00:13:07.600 That dude's got his life together.

00:13:08.940 Yeah.

00:13:09.040 Stand up guy.

00:13:09.960 Yeah.

00:13:10.520 Yeah.

00:13:10.960 Exactly.

00:13:11.640 Yeah.

00:13:11.880 And all of a sudden you're going to go on a podcast and preach to people about how to

00:13:15.980 behave.

00:13:16.520 Yeah.

00:13:16.780 It's very strange.

00:13:17.660 It's like, come on, man.

00:13:18.760 And socially, not even just like, like, they're not even saying that, like how they should

00:13:23.100 behave or you should behave, but how society should be like, that's crazy to me.

00:13:27.660 Yeah.

00:13:28.020 And it's like, and I kind of admire the balls of it.

00:13:31.980 Do you know what I mean?

00:13:32.820 Because you've got more skeletons in your closet than Halloween.

00:13:35.580 Right.

00:13:36.020 And then you're going to go, you know, who's really moral?

00:13:38.180 This guy.

00:13:38.920 Yeah.

00:13:39.420 And you're just thinking, my man, like you've just put a massive target on your back.

00:13:44.780 Absolutely.

00:13:45.140 And if there's one thing we know about women, they don't forget.

00:13:48.820 Yeah.

00:13:49.080 No, that's a fact.

00:13:49.980 And the internet doesn't forget either way.

00:13:51.620 Like, that's a strange thing.

00:13:53.300 You know, so you've just made yourself an absolute target, particularly as we all know,

00:13:58.660 there are certain comedians that are great comics, not good people, not good people.

00:14:03.800 And that was accepted.

00:14:05.800 That was accepted.

00:14:06.360 Louis C.K. was telling us that he was a sexual deviant since the day he became a public figure.

00:14:11.420 Like, you can find a long track record of him.

00:14:13.920 He's like, I bought this violin and then I jacked off on it.

00:14:16.980 Like, just crazy stuff.

00:14:18.800 And then you find out that he was masturbating on the phone with a lady or something.

00:14:22.340 And then now he can't work.

00:14:24.200 Yeah.

00:14:24.500 But he's been telling us the whole time he's a human.

00:14:27.280 He's a flawed individual.

00:14:28.500 Yeah.

00:14:28.900 Yeah.

00:14:29.100 And the thing with Louis is, like, Louis never pretended to be a good person.

00:14:32.740 I know.

00:14:33.020 That's why I like him so much.

00:14:34.200 That's why he's, like, my hero.

00:14:35.300 Because it's like, he goes, I'm flawed.

00:14:37.400 You're flawed.

00:14:38.140 Like, this is, you know.

00:14:39.600 So, you growing up where you grew up, near Seattle at the very least, do you have any

00:14:44.140 thoughts on, like, how we got here or how this whole thing came into being?

00:14:48.960 Because it is so different to the way things were even 20 years ago.

00:14:52.200 You mean, like, politically, socially, all that?

00:14:53.960 Yeah, socially.

00:14:54.580 See, I don't, you know, people think we're, like, really interested in politics.

00:14:58.080 But I don't think this is about politics.

00:14:59.700 I think this is about culture.

00:15:01.300 Sure.

00:15:01.680 It's about social, whatever, like, the group think of society, you know?

00:15:06.180 Well, my answer, I am going to present to you more as, like, just here's what I think.

00:15:11.020 I'm not that firm on it.

00:15:12.920 And also, I could be swayed.

00:15:14.300 And I'm just chewing on it, as I say it.

00:15:17.000 So keep that in mind for your listeners.

00:15:18.560 But I think it's an overcorrection.

00:15:21.160 I think what's happening is, when I was in school learning about the civil rights, and

00:15:25.640 when I was in school learning about American history, a tremendous amount of shame.

00:15:30.360 I would go, oh, man, that's wrong.

00:15:32.320 But I had, like, a young brain about it.

00:15:35.000 So I thought, like, I must be the bad person.

00:15:37.680 I must have done these things.

00:15:39.200 I longed to be the guy who was the white guy marching with the black people of the civil

00:15:44.540 rights.

00:15:45.040 I wanted to be that guy.

00:15:46.240 Like, that guy, he was on the right side of history, and he was doing a good thing.

00:15:49.600 And, or, I would like to think that I would never do that to, like, a Native American.

00:15:55.340 You know, it's very simple, brainded thoughts about these complicated subjects.

00:16:00.980 And I think that you start to, like, then bash yourself.

00:16:04.760 You know, you start to go, like, ah, shame on white people.

00:16:07.180 Shame on this thing.

00:16:08.340 And it's such an oversimplification.

00:16:10.180 You know, like, what do you mean white people?

00:16:12.480 Irish Americans?

00:16:13.700 French Americans?

00:16:15.340 Do Spanish count?

00:16:16.640 Do Jews count?

00:16:17.320 Like, white is such a, like, a white, and then you've done these terrible things to

00:16:22.020 black.

00:16:22.540 And, like, what is black?

00:16:23.480 Is that Haitian?

00:16:24.540 Is that Jamaican?

00:16:25.600 Is that?

00:16:26.320 So you look at it from, like, a fourth grade understanding of these stories of what happened,

00:16:32.320 and you just overcorrect.

00:16:33.940 So anyone who's not white must be good, and anyone who's white should feel the guilt I

00:16:39.420 felt when I learned those things, and you just overcorrect.

00:16:42.940 So, you know, a black guy beats up your dad, you go, well, you know, he's a, you know,

00:16:50.200 I don't want to say, yeah, I don't want to say he did anything wrong.

00:16:53.180 We don't really know the whole story, because if I criticize that, then I'm racist.

00:16:56.780 So it's just, like, kind of this, like, sit, like, I think it's an oversimplification of

00:17:01.380 what has happened historically.

00:17:02.920 And when you forget history, then, right, forget, if you never even learn history, then you

00:17:07.380 don't really know.

00:17:08.160 You're just kind of repeating the things that your friends say.

00:17:10.120 And I think that's what happens.

00:17:11.400 I think it's, like, a super overcorrection.

00:17:13.260 I was in, we were in Asia for months shooting this show, and I remember one of the people

00:17:16.940 on our show calling the people in Japan minorities.

00:17:19.920 Like, they're not minorities either.

00:17:21.980 We're in Japan, stupid.

00:17:23.440 Like, they're the majority.

00:17:24.640 That's not how.

00:17:25.420 But in our American kind of, like, fourth grade understanding of everything, we've just

00:17:30.740 kind of viewed it as that.

00:17:32.140 And that's what happens is it gets carried away.

00:17:34.280 You start to say, like, oh, I don't agree with Islam.

00:17:37.700 And they go, oh, my God, Jeff, that's pretty racist.

00:17:40.040 You're like, that's not racist.

00:17:41.680 I know what they believe according to the Koran and, like, what I've, the studies that

00:17:46.080 I've done, or the little bit of homework that I've done.

00:17:49.600 And I...

00:17:50.320 I'm glad you made that little correct.

00:17:51.540 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:52.240 We went from studies to the little bit of homework.

00:17:54.940 The things I know, yeah, is what I should have said.

00:17:56.920 Mostly Sam Harris books.

00:17:58.020 The Instagram clips that I've watched.

00:17:59.680 Well, Sam is great on the subject of this life.

00:18:01.620 Yeah, and I feel like, I don't know how to explain it, I should be able to disagree with

00:18:09.500 anything I'd like and agree with anything I would like.

00:18:12.200 I shouldn't factor my race or my gender or my age or any of those things.

00:18:16.920 These are just our thoughts.

00:18:17.900 We're humans.

00:18:20.320 And so, like, I don't have to feel guilt when I say, oh, I think that treating a woman

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00:18:35.340 And I go, no, these are just my thoughts, despite whatever the culture or religion or

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00:20:35.540 I think it's because in school, all we really learn about in history and all the things, the only thing that we can really remember is Nazis.

00:20:47.720 Yes.

00:20:48.220 Do you know what I mean?

00:20:48.940 So it's like Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, Nazi.

00:20:51.060 Someone's going to clip that.

00:20:51.920 Nazi, Nazi, Nazi.

00:20:53.000 So then when we go through the world, we see good guys and we see Nazis.

00:20:58.000 Absolutely.

00:20:58.740 And that's how we look at everything.

00:21:00.300 Jeff goes, you know what?

00:21:01.860 I don't really like the way that women don't really have any rights in many Muslim countries.

00:21:07.320 Yeah.

00:21:07.680 I don't think that's cool.

00:21:09.100 And they're like, oh, good guy, Nazi.

00:21:11.200 Eh, Nazi.

00:21:12.120 Right.

00:21:12.580 And they say, oh, you don't understand their culture.

00:21:15.160 You don't understand.

00:21:15.820 Like, what do you?

00:21:16.320 I think that that would just be a basic thing.

00:21:17.980 No matter what the culture is, no matter what the region is, probably don't hit her with sticks in the courtyard.

00:21:22.660 And then they go, oh, my God, can you believe this guy doesn't even understand how our culture works?

00:21:26.960 And I go, I don't.

00:21:27.840 I don't like it.

00:21:29.320 But I have a commitment or I've made a commitment to myself where I'm just going to say what I think about the thing.

00:21:38.000 And if I'm wrong, then I'll change my position on it when I feel like I'm wrong.

00:21:41.680 But I feel like no matter what it is, I treat a woman as the same, which they don't like.

00:21:46.140 They go, hey, treat me like a woman.

00:21:47.480 I go, no, I'm going to treat you the way I treat everyone else.

00:21:49.740 Same with whatever religion it is or whatever culture it is, whatever race it is.

00:21:53.000 I don't talk different because I'm around my black friends.

00:21:55.360 I don't, I don't, I'm not more gentle with my opinions because a girl is in the room.

00:22:00.800 I'm always just going to be the way it is.

00:22:03.800 Yeah.

00:22:04.060 And it's also as well, like, there are things that you, that people say that sound controversial that kind of aren't.

00:22:09.760 I remember I was on a date with a girl and she was like, you know, all cultures are equal.

00:22:13.760 And I went, they're really not.

00:22:16.260 And she was like, what do you mean?

00:22:17.400 I'm like, well, would you prefer to live here or on the Taliban rule in Afghanistan?

00:22:22.460 And she was like, yeah.

00:22:24.560 And I'm like, so where's better?

00:22:26.540 It's a hierarchy.

00:22:27.300 Yeah.

00:22:27.840 And she was like, ah.

00:22:29.500 How did that date go, man?

00:22:30.480 I mean, that was it.

00:22:31.460 I was also going to say, like, what a fun hour you had right after that first sentence.

00:22:36.420 Like, just being like, I disagree with all cultures are equal.

00:22:40.400 And then you're like, oh, that's going to be our next hour of talking.

00:22:43.140 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:22:44.080 Well, you won the argument.

00:22:45.380 Yeah.

00:22:45.760 Yeah.

00:22:46.140 You won the battle and lost the war in that one.

00:22:49.020 Exactly.

00:22:49.800 But that's the thing as well.

00:22:51.140 It's like, and this is a thing that I get really, I feel really sorry, actually, for young kids, which is politics is now everything and everywhere.

00:22:59.560 Like, we're the same age.

00:23:02.220 I don't remember being kids and, like, talking about, you know, George Bush's presidency.

00:23:08.260 Yeah.

00:23:08.520 You'd have to be a nerd to like a president or like a politician or a mayor or a governor or any of those things.

00:23:15.160 Yeah.

00:23:15.300 It was very nerdy.

00:23:16.360 Like, do you remember, I don't know if you went to college, but if you did, like, if you did, do you remember the kids who were into politics in college?

00:23:22.500 No.

00:23:23.580 Yeah.

00:23:24.100 Well, I mean, I didn't go to college.

00:23:25.860 But you're making a good point.

00:23:28.340 Right, right.

00:23:28.680 It's only, everything has only become political in the last, like, 10 or 8 years in my life.

00:23:33.400 People go, I don't remember you being so political comedically.

00:23:35.520 I'm like, everything's political.

00:23:37.920 I can't even be a comedian without being political because everything is political.

00:23:42.380 The weather was not political when I was young.

00:23:44.940 When you talk about how warm it is in spring or how, it didn't launch into, like, them seeding the clouds.

00:23:50.760 It didn't launch into global warming.

00:23:52.820 It didn't launch, you know, into, like, oil companies and the farming.

00:23:56.960 Like, it was just, you just talked about the weather.

00:23:58.940 Whereas now, there's nothing you can talk about that isn't political.

00:24:02.400 It's like, now we all are forced to be political.

00:24:04.520 That's so interesting.

00:24:05.280 I just saw a clip on your Instagram, which is a great bit, about how gun store owners can't take a joke, basically.

00:24:12.480 And it's hilarious.

00:24:13.180 And I, now that you've said that, I go, well, actually, 10 years ago, that would not have been a political joke.

00:24:19.840 Because a Republican who gets humor would also go to a gun store and be like, these guys are a bit uptight.

00:24:25.740 Yeah.

00:24:26.100 Because that's what a gun store owner is going to be.

00:24:28.660 Right.

00:24:28.960 He's got to be serious.

00:24:30.100 He's got to be disciplined.

00:24:31.400 He's got to take the stuff that he does seriously and communicate that to his customers.

00:24:35.780 And everybody else can see that, whether they're an R or a D.

00:24:40.320 Yeah.

00:24:40.460 But now, I process that bit as you go, oh, Jeff is pushing back against the...

00:24:48.340 And it's so true.

00:24:50.180 Literally everything.

00:24:51.120 Yeah.

00:24:51.260 Like, I don't recall even sexual behavior being political.

00:24:57.120 And now it is.

00:24:58.380 How do you mean?

00:24:58.780 Like, you were able to just like whatever you liked growing up.

00:25:02.240 Where I grew up, like, you had the gay neighbors and you had your straight parents.

00:25:06.640 And that was just your neighborhood.

00:25:08.600 Whereas, and maybe this is just unique to, like, Seattle area.

00:25:12.320 But now, like, you have to be pro-gay.

00:25:14.900 Like, what does that mean, pro-gay?

00:25:16.640 Like, I have to root them on?

00:25:18.560 Or, like, I don't understand, like, what it means.

00:25:20.680 I don't even know what it means to be anti-gay.

00:25:23.180 Like, does that mean you, like, you think it's gross?

00:25:25.520 Because I do.

00:25:26.180 I do think it's gross.

00:25:27.240 But I also don't engage in it.

00:25:29.180 Like, that's...

00:25:29.800 I don't engage in anything that I don't...

00:25:31.500 Like, even people who they're hooking up with is somehow a political statement.

00:25:37.680 Like, wearing, like, a...

00:25:39.320 I support this community.

00:25:40.460 It's like, we are...

00:25:41.300 They're just people.

00:25:41.920 What do you mean you support them?

00:25:43.160 Like, I don't understand how even that is like a political march.

00:25:46.560 It's very strange.

00:25:47.580 Oh, man.

00:25:48.140 We were just in San Francisco.

00:25:49.640 And I walked into this coffee shop.

00:25:52.520 By the way, it's a hack observation.

00:25:54.040 Left-wing people do coffee much better than the right.

00:25:56.060 The right...

00:25:56.640 The right, the way they do coffee is a f***ing disgrace.

00:25:59.380 Yeah, which is strange.

00:26:00.760 Let's turn that around.

00:26:01.940 What's going on here?

00:26:02.860 And I sat down in this coffee shop in San Francisco.

00:26:05.540 And there were eight rainbow and pride flags.

00:26:08.180 Yeah.

00:26:08.400 And I'm like, boys, you're one.

00:26:10.760 And we get it.

00:26:11.760 Yeah.

00:26:12.100 Who cares who you're f***ing?

00:26:13.880 Yeah.

00:26:14.340 No one gives a f***.

00:26:15.560 Yeah.

00:26:15.940 I'm not grossed out by it.

00:26:17.200 Unless I had to, like, try to do it myself.

00:26:19.240 That would gross me out.

00:26:20.000 But, like, I go, okay.

00:26:21.760 Like, I don't understand.

00:26:23.360 I don't really understand it.

00:26:24.800 Yeah.

00:26:25.060 And it's kind of like everything now, you have to be part of an identity.

00:26:30.700 Because if you're not an identity, then you're kind of on the outside.

00:26:34.180 Which is why every white man is now neurodivergent.

00:26:37.860 Yeah.

00:26:38.800 Because you need...

00:26:39.740 Very convenient.

00:26:40.560 Yeah.

00:26:40.660 Yeah.

00:26:40.860 You need something.

00:26:41.800 Right.

00:26:42.200 You can't just be a regular dude.

00:26:43.880 Every female comic I know is bisexual.

00:26:45.840 But they're not.

00:26:46.800 Yeah.

00:26:46.960 They just say it to get the claps from the audience.

00:26:49.780 Like, I'm bisexual.

00:26:50.660 And the guys go, oh.

00:26:51.400 Because that's a group they don't have to prove they're in.

00:26:53.820 Yeah.

00:26:54.020 It makes them look very open-minded.

00:26:56.060 But they're all liars.

00:26:57.600 Yeah.

00:26:57.980 And it's like, blackface is unacceptable.

00:27:01.700 But gayface isn't.

00:27:03.020 Right.

00:27:03.980 Yeah.

00:27:04.220 Or drag.

00:27:05.160 Drag is woman face.

00:27:06.820 Yeah.

00:27:07.160 That's a man admitting he's a man, pretending to be a woman, doing his best impression of

00:27:12.740 a woman, wearing that that's woman face.

00:27:14.820 Yeah.

00:27:15.180 Yeah.

00:27:15.540 It makes no sense.

00:27:16.500 It doesn't make any sense.

00:27:18.040 And it's just been, you know, it's almost like it's been mandated.

00:27:21.160 Like, you have to like this.

00:27:22.740 You can't like this.

00:27:23.680 You have to celebrate this.

00:27:25.300 You have to be upset at this.

00:27:26.620 Yeah.

00:27:27.200 And someone listening to this might say, well, why does it matter?

00:27:30.000 Who cares?

00:27:30.700 Right?

00:27:30.880 Like, maybe the Neil Dashiell, why do you care?

00:27:33.240 Well, I'll tell you what.

00:27:34.360 There's a big wave of young people sharing very racist reels, sharing very pro-Nazi, pro,

00:27:44.620 you know, very, I don't know the right term for it, very alarming, I guess, for the reels.

00:27:54.900 And why do you think they're doing that?

00:27:55.940 Because it's almost punk rock now to do that.

00:27:59.420 It is less about the hate and less about the racism and all the whatever.

00:28:03.680 It's you've made it so exhausting.

00:28:06.280 Society has made it so exhausting to be like this virtue signaling pro LGBT pro.

00:28:14.000 Like your parents are these like soft people who wouldn't put hormones in their chicken,

00:28:18.560 but they'll put it in their fifth grade daughter.

00:28:20.540 And so now you're going to witness this terrible rebellion that you're really going to regret.

00:28:28.680 Like they've fatigued everyone with all this bullshit and it's causing some, I think,

00:28:33.440 some pretty alarming stuff on the internet of like what is becoming cool.

00:28:36.820 Well, it's interesting, isn't it?

00:28:37.880 Because that's definitely happening.

00:28:39.680 And it's not only is it happening, kids being rebellious, you can see it bleeding into

00:28:44.560 real politics.

00:28:45.260 Yes.

00:28:45.780 As well.

00:28:46.200 Gypsy, whatever his name is with the clown face.

00:28:48.400 You know, this guy, no, he just isn't a gypsy crusader or something like that.

00:28:53.980 Let's not give him a signal.

00:28:55.420 Oh, yeah.

00:28:55.640 Well, you know, this guy or Nick Fuentes or any of these things like you're wondering

00:28:59.220 why it's taking off, like why it's becoming because it's becoming naughty and edgy and

00:29:04.140 political or not political, naughty, edgy and like it's becoming punk rock.

00:29:09.180 Yeah.

00:29:09.380 It's like avant-garde.

00:29:10.340 Yes.

00:29:10.600 It's like you're pushing.

00:29:11.520 You look how naughty I'm being, which is very attractive to young people.

00:29:14.980 And like, and it's very scary.

00:29:17.300 Young man, especially.

00:29:18.400 Yeah, it is very scary.

00:29:21.020 Well, it's an interesting dynamic.

00:29:23.020 It was kind of predictable.

00:29:24.140 I mean, it's one of the reasons that I was always so concerned about wokeness.

00:29:28.100 As someone who was never, never thought of myself as being on the right.

00:29:31.540 I just was like, you guys are being retarded.

00:29:34.000 Like you do this, you're going to cause the exact same thing from the other side.

00:29:37.940 And by the way, the other thing we talked about is like, if you make it terrible to be a particular

00:29:46.900 sex or a particular skin color, and that's the worst thing you can be, while you celebrate

00:29:51.820 other people for their skin color and their sex, what do you think is going to happen?

00:29:56.540 Yeah.

00:29:56.740 What do you think all these guys you've been pointing your finger at for 10 years, what

00:30:00.280 they're just going to just sit there and take it?

00:30:03.020 Yeah, no, they won't.

00:30:04.080 Yeah, I know.

00:30:04.820 Especially, as you said, with that young brain, when you like, you know, I probably didn't

00:30:10.040 affect you and didn't affect me and didn't affect Francis because we're older.

00:30:13.740 I've got my wife.

00:30:14.640 When she's like, she sees a girl walking around or a guy walking around with the future's

00:30:18.780 female t-shirt, she's just going, this guy's retarded.

00:30:21.080 Yeah, he's dumb.

00:30:21.960 Yeah, exactly.

00:30:22.280 This is dumb.

00:30:22.920 Like, what the f*** is this?

00:30:24.640 But if you're a 15-year-old boy, you don't have anyone to tell you this is just a crazy

00:30:29.700 phase in human history.

00:30:31.620 You're going, this is the world.

00:30:33.680 Yeah.

00:30:34.000 And then your reaction to that is going to be what it's going to be.

00:30:36.800 Yeah, the shirt should say the future is robot.

00:30:38.880 That's what it should say.

00:30:39.720 That's accurate.

00:30:40.240 Yeah, because a good shirt would be the future is human, but we're not going that direction.

00:30:44.640 I have always, it's funny, I think that the more I'm talking to you guys, the more I'm

00:30:48.740 realizing smart people are good at just finding the double standard and then weighing the logic

00:30:55.800 of it.

00:30:56.760 You know, it's like, it is so easy, it should be easy to understand, hey, don't treat people

00:31:03.000 wrong because of the color of their skin.

00:31:04.660 But that would include all skin colors.

00:31:06.760 Right.

00:31:07.180 Yeah.

00:31:07.560 Like, you'd think like that's a very, but they don't.

00:31:09.980 They need a villain.

00:31:11.500 They need a have to have a have not.

00:31:13.460 They need an oppressor to have an oppressed.

00:31:15.520 And so they can't even see it as that.

00:31:17.440 They've got to see it as like, let's unite white people.

00:31:23.720 That's not united, you know?

00:31:25.680 And so smart people can see that and then measure it and then try to like deal with it.

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00:33:17.120 I think I judge everything because as a comedian, I'm very judgmental in my brain, but then

00:33:21.340 I write, I put it through reason and then I go, okay, here's where I was being wrong.

00:33:25.140 Here's how I was being immature.

00:33:26.580 Here was, I was maybe being a little afraid or here's why I was being.

00:33:29.140 And then I try to weigh it out.

00:33:30.820 But like, for example, like I don't need to be pro or anti-gay.

00:33:35.060 Gay just is.

00:33:36.420 And their opinion of my opinion of it is almost irrelevant because I'm not a gay guy.

00:33:42.100 So it doesn't matter, but I can still be respectful and I can still be nice and I can still have

00:33:46.400 gay friends.

00:33:46.760 I don't need to approve of anything.

00:33:48.280 I don't need to approve of tennis.

00:33:50.800 You know, I don't, my opinion of tennis is irrelevant, similar to my opinion of being

00:33:55.080 gay.

00:33:55.400 But when can I start judging it?

00:33:57.860 So like, if I, like I'm smoking a cigar with my buddy and I'm in Seattle and a guy's walking.

00:34:03.140 You really are on the right one.

00:34:04.440 Yeah.

00:34:04.940 I love a cigar.

00:34:06.240 I don't have booze anymore.

00:34:07.640 So cigars are my thing.

00:34:08.740 I'm smoking a cigar and this guy's walking his boyfriend on a leash.

00:34:12.780 The boyfriend's got like a leather dog mask.

00:34:15.160 And in my mind, I go, listen, I don't want to hurt those guys.

00:34:18.620 I don't want anyone to be mean to those guys.

00:34:20.920 I don't want anyone to shout anything to those guys.

00:34:23.200 But can I go, what the?

00:34:25.400 What the fuck are we doing?

00:34:26.300 It's here.

00:34:26.980 Totally.

00:34:27.400 When can I nudge my buddy and go, look at these fucking guys?

00:34:30.060 You know what I'm saying?

00:34:30.540 Like, that's, that's where I try to like figure out where, because I think a hundred years ago,

00:34:36.220 if you saw that, we, what, we wouldn't be allowed to like yell at those guys, right?

00:34:40.620 It's here.

00:34:41.240 Probably was.

00:34:41.820 They'd probably be arrested.

00:34:42.900 Yeah.

00:34:42.960 Yeah.

00:34:43.140 You know?

00:34:43.640 So I'm always wondering like where, where, what, when can I judge?

00:34:47.380 That's right.

00:34:47.920 Yeah.

00:34:48.280 Well, I think you can judge that.

00:34:49.540 Yeah.

00:34:49.780 Yeah.

00:34:49.880 I judged it.

00:34:50.660 Yeah.

00:34:51.440 Pretty hard.

00:34:52.360 Yeah.

00:34:52.480 You judged it pretty hard.

00:34:53.620 You know, because to me, when I see those guys, I go, well, what you're doing, that is

00:35:00.020 provocative.

00:35:00.880 Sure.

00:35:01.340 I don't care how you want to frame it.

00:35:03.320 You're doing that because you want a reaction.

00:35:05.940 Yeah.

00:35:06.140 So they, I, and so that you then have something to talk about.

00:35:09.880 Otherwise you wouldn't walk down the road dressed all in leather in a thong with your boyfriend

00:35:15.880 on a leash wearing a dog mask.

00:35:18.260 Right.

00:35:18.540 Also, it's got nothing to do with being gay anyway.

00:35:20.380 Like if I saw a guy walking his wife on a leash.

00:35:23.040 Right.

00:35:23.360 You'd also be like, what the fuck is this?

00:35:24.980 Great point.

00:35:25.540 Yeah.

00:35:25.680 And I also think it might even be more nefarious because they're thinking, well, if this is

00:35:30.280 normalized, then we're really making progress here.

00:35:34.000 We're really going down the crazy socialist Marxist kind of, what is, what is kind of path.

00:35:41.640 And if you can get away with that, well, we're doing pretty good in Seattle.

00:35:44.960 If we can, you know, like we've made good progress here.

00:35:48.320 I walked my boyfriend 10 blocks and everyone just waved.

00:35:51.700 Everyone let us just get away with whatever we want.

00:35:54.380 Yeah.

00:35:54.520 There's really no see something, say something anymore.

00:35:56.900 You know, you say socialist and, you know, about the dog walking boyfriend.

00:36:01.880 I can't imagine Stalin was into that shit.

00:36:04.180 Do you know what I mean?

00:36:05.300 Like, it's so weird, this kind of conflation of extreme sexual practices and socialism.

00:36:12.660 Yeah.

00:36:13.020 Because in the old days, like socialists were pretty socially conservative.

00:36:17.240 Right.

00:36:17.540 You know what I mean?

00:36:18.440 But they don't want that.

00:36:19.480 So even by these new people's, even by modern times definition of that, they do this fuckery

00:36:27.120 with words.

00:36:27.980 You guys are comedians where they go, well, that's not real socialism.

00:36:31.180 You know, oh, that's not, that was different.

00:36:33.600 That wasn't real Marxism.

00:36:35.440 The good Marxism.

00:36:37.180 And you're like, you do, they just, that's all they do is they run with words all the time.

00:36:40.880 And so the way they see it is like, well, no, this is breaking down the current system

00:36:46.460 for our version of socialism.

00:36:48.180 And I think what we need to do as people, and I remember just saying this when we used

00:36:52.700 to have a lot of conversations about trans, is just go, can we accept this is weird?

00:36:58.340 Right.

00:36:58.960 This is just weird.

00:37:00.760 You dressing up in leather, wearing a gimp mask.

00:37:03.940 Pretty funny.

00:37:04.940 It's pretty funny.

00:37:06.040 It's pretty funny, number one.

00:37:07.480 And taking your boyfriend for a walk dressed as a Pyrex dog or whatever it is.

00:37:12.140 Can we just accept that's weird?

00:37:14.080 Right.

00:37:14.640 I'm with you.

00:37:15.640 They would go, no.

00:37:17.280 Why is it weird?

00:37:18.100 And you go, oh my God, you know it's weird.

00:37:19.960 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:20.820 I find it fascinating too, because like, if someone would put like a bird cage on their

00:37:25.760 head and just wear a bird cage around on their head.

00:37:28.600 And then every time they go into a store, be like, can you believe the way everyone looked

00:37:31.640 at me?

00:37:31.920 It's like, well, you're doing something different than what the group is.

00:37:34.780 Yeah.

00:37:35.200 That's all it is.

00:37:36.180 So like, whenever people want to go off on these white privilege or any of the things,

00:37:41.520 it's like, a lot of times the things you're summarizing as white privilege are just majority

00:37:46.300 privilege.

00:37:47.320 If I'm in Compton and I go to a McDonald's and I'm the only white guy within seven miles,

00:37:53.900 they're probably going to look at me.

00:37:54.960 They're just trying to figure out what I'm doing there.

00:37:57.000 I got my gay sweater on.

00:37:58.860 I'm a white guy.

00:37:59.880 I'm a clean guy.

00:38:00.580 They're not staring at me because they're bigoted towards white people or they don't want

00:38:05.120 me in their restaurant.

00:38:06.180 They're just going, that's different than the most.

00:38:09.240 What's he doing here?

00:38:10.240 Why?

00:38:10.500 What's he popping around about?

00:38:12.040 What is he here to do taxes for us?

00:38:14.220 Like, why is this white guy here?

00:38:16.080 And so, so many things like that happen where it's, it's just a majority and then they react

00:38:22.320 like, can you believe it?

00:38:23.480 They're staring at us because we're gay guys.

00:38:25.500 And you're like, no, they're not.

00:38:27.180 You're just doing something different than the most.

00:38:29.120 And that's what this trans whole thing is, is they like, you're very clearly a male biologically

00:38:34.000 and you're allowed to dress like a woman because you're a grownup.

00:38:36.860 We'll let you dress however you'd like.

00:38:38.880 But let's not pretend that it's not unusual when you're doing something different than

00:38:43.900 what the group is doing.

00:38:45.280 Yeah.

00:38:45.440 And that's all it is.

00:38:46.260 We look, we go, okay.

00:38:47.460 Yeah.

00:38:47.620 We're clocking it.

00:38:48.440 You know, this is different than what else is going on.

00:38:50.220 You know, we had a comedian on the show called Steve Hughes, a brilliant Aussie, so funny

00:38:55.000 Steve, brilliant comedian.

00:38:56.240 And he made the point that, you know, he sees lots of people now, like with a mohawk and he's

00:39:01.180 an older dude.

00:39:01.760 He's in his mid fifties.

00:39:03.500 And he's like, look, when I was growing up, if you had a mohawk, that meant you were saying

00:39:08.840 thank you to society.

00:39:10.420 I don't want to be accepted.

00:39:12.120 I don't want a job in your bank.

00:39:13.680 I'm a rebel.

00:39:14.800 I'm on the outside.

00:39:16.080 That's my choice.

00:39:17.060 I'm punk.

00:39:17.700 Yeah.

00:39:18.420 Like now you get a mohawk, you wear a swastika, like, you know, patch on your arm and you,

00:39:24.160 you know, you walk around with your nipples pierced.

00:39:26.040 Everyone can see it.

00:39:26.760 And you're like, why can't I get a job at Goldman Sachs?

00:39:29.900 Exactly.

00:39:30.440 Yeah.

00:39:30.600 No, you're nailing it.

00:39:31.380 That's so true.

00:39:32.240 And they're going, can you believe the way everyone's looking at me?

00:39:34.600 Yeah.

00:39:35.520 Yeah.

00:39:35.880 That's kind of, that was supposed to be the motivation.

00:39:37.980 Yeah.

00:39:38.080 Right.

00:39:38.440 I love that.

00:39:38.720 That's so funny.

00:39:39.540 Do you think this is changing the culture?

00:39:42.540 Do you think we've probably, you know, everyone talks about peak work.

00:39:45.360 Do you think we've gone past that now?

00:39:46.940 We're on the way down.

00:39:47.860 Certainly in American comedy, it feels like, you know, I mean, you go to Austin, you watch

00:39:54.260 some shows there.

00:39:55.080 Like there's at least two retards and a faggot and a whatever.

00:39:57.740 I know, which is shocking.

00:39:59.080 You know.

00:39:59.960 It is.

00:40:00.900 Well, it kind of is.

00:40:02.000 Yeah.

00:40:02.240 Because you almost go, well, maybe this is an overswing in the other direction.

00:40:05.480 I know.

00:40:05.500 I was, uh, this observation is actually hack now because I said it years ago and now I've

00:40:11.440 heard 20 people say my own sentiment back to me.

00:40:14.020 But like, I've, I was kind of like one of the comedians early on being like, let's just

00:40:17.720 say what we think, you know, like let's not to be afraid of it.

00:40:20.540 Like if it's funny, like work it out.

00:40:22.220 And if it isn't funny, you know, you're just trying something, but like, we should be able

00:40:25.600 to say whatever words and whatever thoughts we think about the subject.

00:40:28.400 Like, and then Austin really took that, you know, like, like they were like, yeah, but

00:40:32.980 then you go to like the open mic and the guy's like, these faggot retard.

00:40:36.000 And I was like, not like that, you know, we meant say whatever, but not like that or

00:40:40.020 not, not, not so recklessly.

00:40:41.800 So there is like a kind of happy thing, but I do think that, um, I think it's, I think

00:40:49.060 it's swinging back.

00:40:49.920 I don't, I don't think anything can go too absurd.

00:40:52.300 So it's like, I think we have hit peak woke and it's going down, but I do think it might

00:40:56.720 be swinging back a little bit, like with the Charlie Kirk, whenever there's like an

00:41:00.100 issue, I feel like it kind of swings a little bit back and forth.

00:41:03.500 Yeah.

00:41:03.980 Well, it's an interesting point, isn't it?

00:41:05.280 Because, uh, like you say, I think what we always thought is like, you find a happy medium

00:41:12.600 between, you know, saying things that are controversial, but doing it in a, in a way that's not actually

00:41:19.660 hateful.

00:41:20.360 Sure.

00:41:20.680 And it can feel a little bit now, like you talked about earlier online, but also sometimes

00:41:25.100 elsewhere that like the overswing in other directions also happen.

00:41:28.640 It's just a, it's kind of an extreme moment, isn't it?

00:41:31.540 It is.

00:41:32.040 And I also, um, it's fascinating to me that you don't do standup anymore.

00:41:36.880 Why is that?

00:41:37.200 I find that very fascinating because I think that comedy, we talked about a little bit

00:41:40.340 before we started recording that comedy is such a great way to have people hear you.

00:41:44.240 So it's like, you know, when I'm on Fox news, there's no, uh, there's nobody turning on

00:41:50.240 Gutfeld to be persuaded.

00:41:52.620 There's, there's, there's nobody, you know, when I, when I did, uh, I campaigned for Trump

00:41:57.660 in this last election and just did comedy basically at these like things.

00:42:01.840 Um, and I, I actually would do a joke, right?

00:42:05.040 Go, how many of you guys are undecided voters?

00:42:07.040 And it would just be quiet.

00:42:08.080 My work here is done.

00:42:09.400 You know?

00:42:09.900 Um, and I imagine that to be true, even though I wasn't at a Kamala Harris rally, but at there,

00:42:16.280 I would imagine also there was nobody that was undecided.

00:42:19.960 Whereas with standup, it's a room full of people and very often people who don't agree with

00:42:25.700 anything.

00:42:26.180 I think, but comedy is a great mask to get into their hearts and brains and like say

00:42:32.040 something, especially if it's funny, if it's funny, they go, why am I laughing at that?

00:42:35.680 Did I find some truth in that?

00:42:37.040 Or did it just hit my ears as shocking or why they might have to ask themselves?

00:42:41.940 Like, why am I feeling that way about that guy's comedy?

00:42:45.060 Or why am I laughing about that guy's comedy?

00:42:46.820 Cause sometimes when they get pissed off and they go home, they also have to explain that

00:42:50.120 to themselves or who they came with.

00:42:51.640 Like, why did that bother me so much?

00:42:53.140 And it's like, you can inspire those conversations or those thoughts.

00:42:57.880 And standup is such a great cheat code into that.

00:43:01.840 Yeah.

00:43:02.120 Well, I would say humor is a great cheat code into that.

00:43:05.200 So that's why when I'm writing satirical columns on my sub stack or whatever, or talking,

00:43:10.260 like I can still be funny.

00:43:11.660 Sure.

00:43:12.060 But, uh, I guess all that happened for me really was during the pandemic, this took off

00:43:16.960 and you also couldn't do standup.

00:43:19.080 Right.

00:43:19.340 So after like two years of that, I just was like, I'm really not that interested to,

00:43:24.220 you know, going back to the comedy circuit while this has taken off and taken all of

00:43:28.440 my time.

00:43:28.780 That's really, but humor, I think your point is, I can't remember, I think it was Oscar

00:43:32.200 Wilde who said, if you want to tell the truth, people, the truth, make them laugh.

00:43:36.800 Otherwise they'll kill you.

00:43:38.180 I love that.

00:43:38.860 And that's kind of like, I think humor is a superpower.

00:43:41.620 Well, Rumi used to start with jokes.

00:43:43.180 So he would tell a joke and his, his goal was because it opens up a different type of

00:43:48.900 listening.

00:43:49.920 So like, you know, with a song, we can probably have a conversation while someone's playing

00:43:53.760 something beautiful and it's not going to affect the quality of the, of the environment.

00:43:58.700 But with, with, uh, poetry, you need to listen.

00:44:01.920 And with a joke, you damn sure need to listen.

00:44:04.060 Cause if you even miss one word, you're not going to get the joke.

00:44:07.020 And so he would always start with a joke, which also is a great icebreaker and then drop

00:44:11.420 some wisdom on you.

00:44:12.720 And so I think that like comedy or jokes are so important, but I love it to be able to

00:44:17.560 get in front of people who would otherwise just write me off as a straight white conservative

00:44:21.760 guy.

00:44:22.740 And, uh, I don't, I don't know why I asked you that, but I was just, no, no, no.

00:44:26.380 It's an interesting conversation.

00:44:27.440 I don't know if you've seen any speeches I've done, but whenever I do a speech, I totally

00:44:30.960 take that on board because the way I think about it is humor is basically every time you

00:44:35.680 do a joke that makes people laugh, if you're talking, you're buying 10 seconds of their

00:44:40.800 attention.

00:44:41.560 They're like, Oh, maybe I'll listen to the next 10 seconds.

00:44:43.820 And then there's another punchline.

00:44:45.340 Oh, maybe I'll listen for 15.

00:44:46.660 And by the time you get to the end of a 10 minute speech, you can actually say a minute's

00:44:50.900 worth of actual opinion.

00:44:52.320 Sure.

00:44:52.820 And they'll go, Oh, that's interesting.

00:44:54.660 Yeah.

00:44:54.960 Well, and also when you're writing a joke, uh, as opposed, I've never written a column or

00:44:59.480 anything or an article, but, uh, with when I'm ranting on my podcast, which I guess would

00:45:04.000 be comparable to like a rant or a, you know, an article, it's all my opinions.

00:45:09.000 And so I find myself not trying to be as reasonable.

00:45:12.260 Whereas with a joke, I'll often go like, well, what's the other side of this?

00:45:15.780 And I'll try to find a thing, you know?

00:45:17.640 And so I'm always doing that with my jokes is like, I don't think I'm being harsh on,

00:45:22.820 on, uh, on gay people.

00:45:24.360 I'm just being honest and I'm going to get down to the bottom of this.

00:45:27.140 And then I'll always like, uh, I'm trying to think of a good example of that in my act.

00:45:31.960 Well, I guess when I talk about women, like, like it's all for women, like everything

00:45:35.240 we do is for women.

00:45:36.420 And I tell them that, but they, in exchange, they should be pretty happy about that.

00:45:41.160 Why are you being so hard on us?

00:45:42.600 If it's also all for you.

00:45:44.420 So it's like, I'll give, but I also, I expect like a little bit of like take on it, you know?

00:45:48.840 So I try to do that.

00:45:50.020 And then I find that very fun in standup to do.

00:45:52.740 And it's the, you mentioned that everything's political.

00:45:55.280 Now you do a lot of material about men and women dating, which is really funny.

00:45:59.920 Thanks.

00:46:00.120 Do you, do you think that's become political as well or is that it has?

00:46:04.560 Yeah, I think for sure.

00:46:05.740 Really?

00:46:06.360 Yeah.

00:46:06.620 Cause women, um, have considered themselves to be like some sort of group, you know, just

00:46:11.660 all women somehow are on the same team, which I've never experienced, but for somehow in

00:46:18.140 their brain, they will go, women aren't like that.

00:46:21.100 You know, they're very, uh, defensive about their tribe of being women.

00:46:25.760 And so, you know, you can't even say a thing sometimes like I could be like, I could say

00:46:30.500 something as simple as women hate video games and that triggers them like not all women.

00:46:34.980 And you're like, geez, why, why would you feel so passionate about this?

00:46:37.760 Do you know any gals that play video games?

00:46:39.600 There's like one for every 9 million guys that does.

00:46:42.700 But even that somehow is some sort of statement to them.

00:46:46.640 And I think it's this never ending diet.

00:46:48.780 They've been fed of rights and privileges and patriarchy and all these things.

00:46:53.980 I don't know if it's the, if it's the universities or if it's just modern times or what it is,

00:47:01.060 but they've been fed all this stuff and they're, they're falling in line with it.

00:47:05.040 What's interesting is that actually, well, obviously, but there is quite a lot of variability

00:47:11.300 within how women think about things, even politically, like married women with kids

00:47:16.740 do not vote the same way as unmarried young women in big cities.

00:47:21.400 Correct.

00:47:21.620 Like those are two very different groups of people that beyond their vaginas really don't

00:47:25.760 have that much in common.

00:47:26.800 Yeah, no, a hundred percent.

00:47:27.920 You know, and it, but, but, but there is that sort of group tribal mentality with it.

00:47:32.020 Yeah.

00:47:32.600 Which makes no sense.

00:47:33.820 I mean, I never thought I would see millions of women in the street passionate about killing

00:47:41.780 their offspring.

00:47:43.340 It's almost like it's gotten to the point where they're suggesting that abortion is good.

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00:49:26.540 Like, we should be able to come to the agreement that abortion's not a great day.

00:49:33.560 Whether you believe you should be able to get one or not get one, you can agree that's

00:49:37.620 not a great morning.

00:49:38.800 No one's excited to go, hey, let's get coffee today and then go get an abortion.

00:49:42.600 Where the conversation, like, we should at least be able to fundamentally agree that's

00:49:46.180 a bad morning.

00:49:47.020 Right.

00:49:47.180 Yeah.

00:49:47.600 And we can't.

00:49:49.060 People literally are going, no, I think this is my, like, they almost talk about it in a

00:49:53.880 different way than the reality of it is.

00:49:55.920 Well, you said it just now, didn't you?

00:49:58.380 It's about rights.

00:49:59.880 Rights have become this, like, sacred thing.

00:50:03.880 So we no longer think about, well, what is it a right to do?

00:50:07.140 Like, your right to take a dump, I respect it, but I'm not going to celebrate the act.

00:50:11.080 Absolutely.

00:50:11.700 Right?

00:50:12.100 Yeah.

00:50:12.340 Take it.

00:50:16.060 Sh**ophobia, whatever it is.

00:50:17.200 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:17.640 Do you see what I'm saying?

00:50:18.800 Yes.

00:50:19.080 Like, we've fetishized this idea of rights so much now that I think that's where it's

00:50:23.780 come from.

00:50:24.180 So they're not even thinking about what it is that they are promoting.

00:50:28.700 And also, it's kind of sticking it to the man as well, I think.

00:50:31.620 I agree 100%.

00:50:32.540 It's funny you said that because I think about it with, maybe this is another thing we were

00:50:37.960 talking about earlier about how we got here, is that the overcorrection or the idea of,

00:50:44.080 like, there's nothing good about being a homeless man, but we feel so much sadness that someone

00:50:51.780 would be in that position that we've now championed them almost as an underdog.

00:50:57.180 Now we're almost, like, rooting for them because they're a homeless person.

00:51:00.360 And you're like, well, you know, you shouldn't celebrate it like you were just saying.

00:51:03.060 Same with being, like, a single mom.

00:51:04.520 We treat single moms very good because it's hard to be a single mom.

00:51:09.520 And it's an unfortunate position to find yourself in.

00:51:11.780 And it's expensive and difficult and time consuming.

00:51:15.400 But it shouldn't be the goal.

00:51:18.000 You shouldn't go, good for you, you're a single mom.

00:51:20.720 Like, that shouldn't be the goal.

00:51:22.420 We're just saying, if you find yourself in that position, we feel a certain way towards

00:51:27.200 you and we'll give you, you know, you deserve your credit for being in that position.

00:51:31.480 And so, like, I think that all gets lost.

00:51:33.820 Right.

00:51:33.980 It's like, you know, if you get cancer, we feel bad for you, but we don't go.

00:51:38.120 Right.

00:51:38.840 Yeah.

00:51:39.260 Let's celebrate this because it's not good.

00:51:41.680 Right.

00:51:42.240 I'm not comparing single moms to cancer.

00:51:44.200 I think that might be going a bit far.

00:51:45.820 But you know what I mean?

00:51:46.500 It's like, it is not a good outcome.

00:51:48.380 And statistically, the evidence is very clear on that.

00:51:50.960 Yeah.

00:51:51.100 What happens to kids, particularly who grow up.

00:51:53.580 Now, there are some amazing single moms.

00:51:55.860 Yeah.

00:51:56.020 But would, if you speak to them, would they have chosen to be in that position in an ideal

00:52:00.860 environment?

00:52:01.660 No.

00:52:02.000 Most of them not.

00:52:02.720 Yeah.

00:52:02.980 And also, yeah, like, it's hard to explain that to people the way I'm at least thinking

00:52:09.660 about it.

00:52:09.920 It's hard to articulate it.

00:52:11.320 Is that, like, there's nothing wrong with being a single mom.

00:52:13.640 But that, you should even know that that's not the goal.

00:52:16.920 And it is your right to terminate a pregnancy.

00:52:19.560 But you should know that that's not a good thing.

00:52:22.180 Like, that's not the position you should want to be in to have to make that decision.

00:52:26.180 So it's just, it's all tricky.

00:52:28.400 You know, it's, when I was teaching, I never met a kid who was like, you know what, I'm

00:52:32.900 glad I don't have a dad.

00:52:34.240 Right.

00:52:35.320 Yeah.

00:52:35.800 No, that's a, that's not a sentence anyone should say.

00:52:38.700 Yeah.

00:52:39.220 You know.

00:52:39.480 But they don't say.

00:52:40.480 Yeah.

00:52:40.820 They don't say it.

00:52:41.440 Yeah.

00:52:41.740 They don't say it.

00:52:42.480 That's the point.

00:52:43.400 And I just think it's like, we want all this stuff.

00:52:46.700 We just don't want any responsibility with it.

00:52:49.240 We want to eat the fries without getting fat.

00:52:51.820 Yep.

00:52:52.180 You know, we want to eat, we want to drink.

00:52:53.580 That does sound pretty good.

00:52:54.540 Yeah.

00:52:54.860 It sounds amazing.

00:52:56.000 We want freedom, but we don't want war.

00:52:57.740 Yeah.

00:52:57.980 We want to be safe, but we don't want guns.

00:53:00.460 Yeah.

00:53:00.680 Like, no, a hundred percent.

00:53:01.720 Yeah.

00:53:02.060 And that's kind of how we now live where we're just like, you know, I'm anti-war and you go

00:53:07.700 like everyone's anti-war.

00:53:09.160 Well, there's a few people who are not anti-war, but, but you're like, but dude, most people

00:53:13.860 are anti-war.

00:53:15.080 But the reality is if you want peace, there are times where you're going to have to go

00:53:19.060 to war.

00:53:19.620 Unfortunately.

00:53:20.120 You can't be anti-war if there's Adolf Hitler going, jawohl, we go.

00:53:24.280 You know, there comes a point where you've got to fight.

00:53:27.120 Right.

00:53:27.320 And I don't think people really understand that.

00:53:29.900 I think we've just got so used to being comfortable, to being safe, that this idea that you might

00:53:37.280 have to protect it or do something unpleasant, or even acknowledge that if you do something,

00:53:42.760 there's going to be a trade-off to it.

00:53:44.160 We can't live in that world anymore.

00:53:45.600 I know.

00:53:46.040 I wish everyone could understand that and hear that.

00:53:48.880 It's like, what's so good about being safe?

00:53:50.520 Like, what in your life has ever been gained by a safe space or by not having, like, a challenge

00:54:00.480 or not, like, working hard or not, like, everything that is good had that balance of being, like,

00:54:06.040 difficult or being, like, the worst thing I ever went through or, like, even having a baby.

00:54:10.880 Like, a pregnancy is uncomfortable and it's, you feel gross and it takes nine months, which

00:54:17.320 is a long time.

00:54:18.220 And it's, it's, it's painful.

00:54:20.500 And even the birthing process is, like, the most painful thing in the world.

00:54:23.260 But you get a baby at the end.

00:54:24.720 That's the kind of the point is that, like, everything has difficulties to it.

00:54:28.800 I don't know what these young people are very obsessed with, like, being safe and everyone's

00:54:32.800 feelings and everyone accommodated.

00:54:34.140 It's like, yeah, it's not really how it works.

00:54:35.840 And you just shouldn't want it.

00:54:37.280 You shouldn't want that.

00:54:38.260 But it's kind of like lying in bed all day and you go, I'm comfortable.

00:54:41.320 And you go, well, yeah, you are comfortable.

00:54:43.440 But A, you're not going to do anything.

00:54:45.180 And B, you're going to get fat.

00:54:46.460 And C, your muscles are going to rot away.

00:54:48.420 And it's not that great after a few hours.

00:54:50.360 Yeah.

00:54:50.640 So, and I think that the more you become accepting of discomfort and go, you know what?

00:54:56.400 Life is about being uncomfortable.

00:54:57.920 And if you actually want to achieve anything, most of the time, it's not going to be comfortable.

00:55:02.560 You see a hot girl in a coffee shop.

00:55:04.380 You're like, oh, maybe I'll go and talk to her.

00:55:08.240 That's going to be pretty uncomfortable.

00:55:09.660 Yeah.

00:55:10.300 Especially for her.

00:55:11.380 Yeah, exactly.

00:55:12.440 But that nervousness is something you overcome.

00:55:15.500 Yeah.

00:55:15.900 And that's why it's rewarding.

00:55:17.600 Like, when I see, like, this is a strange thing, but like, when I see, like, a beautiful

00:55:21.560 woman, I'm like, I'd have no feeling about it.

00:55:24.040 I don't even want to do anything about it.

00:55:25.620 Like, I go, I don't feel nothing.

00:55:27.220 You know, like, you need that nervousness.

00:55:29.340 You need that.

00:55:29.880 Like, should I?

00:55:30.660 I might get rejected.

00:55:32.000 Like, that's the balance of all of it.

00:55:34.440 Yeah.

00:55:34.740 And you know what's worse is walking away because it feels good in the moment.

00:55:39.680 But a couple of hours later, you're like, yeah, she was she looks great.

00:55:44.180 She was there writing in her journal.

00:55:45.460 That was my chance.

00:55:46.260 That was my chance.

00:55:47.200 Maybe that was that was the one.

00:55:48.960 Right.

00:55:49.580 Missed your window.

00:55:50.680 Yeah.

00:55:50.980 But you never know because you walked away.

00:55:53.160 Yeah.

00:55:53.340 And that's the same with everything in life.

00:55:55.780 Like, you've got this great new joke.

00:55:57.960 Maybe you try it, but maybe you'll lose the room.

00:56:00.300 Yeah.

00:56:00.620 Maybe you'll be like, hey, you know, maybe your Nazi Muslim stuff isn't the thing for, you

00:56:04.720 know, for the vegan poetry cafe in Seattle.

00:56:06.500 Brooklyn didn't like it.

00:56:08.420 Yeah.

00:56:09.360 But you'll never know.

00:56:10.240 Speaking of women changing subjects.

00:56:11.980 Yeah.

00:56:12.200 You live in L.A.

00:56:13.200 Yes, sir.

00:56:14.360 Lots of beautiful women.

00:56:15.600 Yes.

00:56:15.760 But they all look about half their actual age now.

00:56:19.580 Yeah.

00:56:20.000 Is this just a me thing or is this real?

00:56:22.280 Like, everyone seems to have got some kind of injection of some kind that the foreheads

00:56:26.560 I don't know if it's the injections, but I think we're aging better as people.

00:56:29.620 Oh, you think it's just that?

00:56:30.640 Yeah.

00:56:30.900 I mean, maybe I'm I don't know.

00:56:32.360 Do you guys find that to be true?

00:56:33.580 Oh, man.

00:56:34.060 Have you ever seen?

00:56:34.740 Oh, this is probably the wrong reference to you.

00:56:36.280 But soccer players in the 1970s, they're like 26.

00:56:39.920 Yeah, but they look old as hell.

00:56:41.240 Yeah, they look in their 50s.

00:56:42.360 My dad, I found a photo of my dad in the photo.

00:56:46.320 We clocked that he was like 34 years old and he looked way older than me now.

00:56:50.760 And I'm 42.

00:56:51.720 And I was just like, what?

00:56:53.160 And I was like, well, he had three kids by that age.

00:56:54.940 And he had like my mom to deal with.

00:56:57.180 And he was stressed out of his mind working all the time.

00:56:59.900 But I think I was just actually having this conversation with someone last night is that

00:57:03.420 like, I think vanity has gone a long ways.

00:57:05.860 Yeah.

00:57:06.360 But in a good way.

00:57:08.120 Right.

00:57:08.520 Like, even you guys are my age.

00:57:09.640 You look young to me.

00:57:10.880 Like, I'm sure if we're at a college, you know, we'd all be considered old guys to them.

00:57:15.400 Yeah.

00:57:15.940 But we definitely look better than the men that were our age like 100 years ago.

00:57:20.180 Oh, dude.

00:57:20.820 Yeah.

00:57:21.200 Like, it's insane.

00:57:22.280 Like, we all have a full head of hair.

00:57:24.060 We, you know, we don't look.

00:57:25.980 I don't know how to explain it.

00:57:26.860 But I think it's vanity is what I think it is.

00:57:29.760 We've spent all of our, all the generations have spent so much time on moisturizer, creams

00:57:35.040 and healthy food and guiltiness about things.

00:57:38.320 So I don't know what, I chalk it up to vanity.

00:57:40.900 Right.

00:57:41.320 Well, and also we do live in a society that is more youth conscious than I think it ever

00:57:46.100 was.

00:57:46.680 I think if you were a politician in the mid 40s, 30s of the last century, having gravitas

00:57:54.280 and status and kind of that comes with age, the wise old head, that would have been super

00:58:00.100 valued.

00:58:00.780 Yeah.

00:58:01.080 Whereas, you know, I mean, Biden and Trump are kind of an exception to what I'm about

00:58:05.340 to say.

00:58:05.640 But, but, but mostly we do think, you know, we need change.

00:58:10.860 We need young blood.

00:58:11.940 We need someone who's fresh.

00:58:13.240 You know, I remember when Obama first came in.

00:58:15.460 Oh my God, he was so young and so cool.

00:58:17.880 Charming.

00:58:18.420 And yeah.

00:58:19.260 Right.

00:58:19.480 He was the first like superstar president.

00:58:22.220 Right.

00:58:22.620 Like I was the first president I've ever saw, first politician I ever saw on ESPN, like

00:58:27.220 explaining his NCAA bracket.

00:58:29.260 And I was like, this feels strange.

00:58:32.140 Because I like to picture the president just at a desk with stacks of paper and he's pulling

00:58:37.440 out his hair and he's trying, like, that's what I picture politicians are always doing.

00:58:41.400 And then I saw that and I was like, I guess he has time to like spin a basketball on his

00:58:45.140 finger and like talk to MTV.

00:58:47.640 Like I remember like, that was like the first thing.

00:58:49.480 Yeah.

00:58:49.520 He was, he also had the very best answer to the question.

00:58:53.140 No one asked politicians anymore in this country, but it was like the defining questions.

00:58:57.540 Have you ever smoked marijuana?

00:58:59.240 Oh yeah.

00:59:00.120 And, and the answer was, you know, all the Republicans would be like, yeah, yeah, I did, but I didn't

00:59:04.620 inhale.

00:59:05.200 Right.

00:59:06.300 Clinton's answer.

00:59:07.200 Yeah.

00:59:07.720 Well, and Clinton, basically all of them.

00:59:09.980 And then they went to Obama.

00:59:11.800 They went, did you inhale?

00:59:12.920 And he went, yeah, that was the point.

00:59:14.940 That's great.

00:59:15.620 It's so funny.

00:59:16.680 Yeah.

00:59:17.040 You know, which I think we're witnessing with Trump.

00:59:19.780 Yeah.

00:59:20.300 Trump, what everyone didn't like about Trump or what everyone criticized about Trump was

00:59:24.620 like, like how wild he was with his language and sentences and opinions and stuff.

00:59:29.560 But they claim they hate that.

00:59:31.340 Now they're all doing it.

00:59:32.420 Look at AOC's Twitter.

00:59:34.540 Look at like, look at the way Elizabeth Warren now talks when she's talking to the press.

00:59:39.420 Like they all hate him for it, but they're doing it.

00:59:43.100 They're doing the exact same thing.

00:59:44.860 So like, um, if they would have stuck to their guns and just like been like, no, we're going

00:59:49.100 to keep this political kind of thing.

00:59:50.980 I would give them the, I would allow them to hate Donald Trump, but it seems like they're

00:59:55.060 very inspired by his antics and the way he talks.

00:59:58.540 You know, what's so smart about Trump is the fact that he's funny and because he's funny,

01:00:03.380 he makes a joke and no one cares what happens afterwards because we live in the social

01:00:08.520 media age, he's got the clip and the, so, and the people at MSNBC, they've got the clip.

01:00:14.940 They can put it on their Twitter.

01:00:16.060 It'll go viral.

01:00:17.020 So I'll give you an example.

01:00:18.200 He was asked about, I think he was on Air Force One and the journalist went to him.

01:00:22.700 What do you think about Zoran Mamdani?

01:00:24.740 People say that he's the Trump of the left.

01:00:27.260 And he went, you know, I'm much better looking than Zoran.

01:00:30.640 And then they all laugh.

01:00:31.980 That's funny.

01:00:32.440 And then that's all the people remember.

01:00:34.020 Right.

01:00:34.360 Boom.

01:00:34.720 And it went viral.

01:00:35.600 Yeah.

01:00:36.000 It's so powerful and it's so smart.

01:00:38.560 It's a great strategy for sure.

01:00:40.000 Yeah.

01:00:40.140 It's almost like the art of war.

01:00:41.560 Like, like he knows exactly how to wiggle these things.

01:00:44.480 I don't know if I like that Trump's funny.

01:00:46.740 He's inarguably funny.

01:00:48.180 Oh yeah.

01:00:48.700 Hilarious.

01:00:49.060 I don't know if I want him to be.

01:00:51.100 I like him when he's just saying things he thinks.

01:00:54.620 And I also like him that he's funny, but I don't know if it's good.

01:00:57.700 I don't know if it's a good thing because it just drives all the people that don't like

01:01:02.380 him insane and they act insane.

01:01:05.200 Like they, they can't process it.

01:01:08.120 And so for me, it's like, I don't know if I need my president to be funny.

01:01:11.820 Like I, I, I, I don't want my doctor to be funny.

01:01:16.500 You know, like I want my comedians to be funny.

01:01:18.460 I don't mind if actors are funny or these other people, but like, I don't know if, if it's

01:01:23.400 good for us or not.

01:01:24.300 Because when Trump says a funny thing like that, my crazy neighbor just loses his mind.

01:01:29.760 Do you hear what he said?

01:01:30.580 He said, oh, he's talking about he's better looking than this.

01:01:32.640 And so I don't know if it's, it's very productive.

01:01:36.320 Yeah.

01:01:36.680 It, it sort of panders to your base, but it's polarizing.

01:01:40.940 It is polarizing.

01:01:41.980 It's polarizing.

01:01:42.500 And I'm in a, I'm in a constant mindset of like, how can we bridge the gap?

01:01:48.640 Right.

01:01:48.880 I don't agree with a ton of the left's policies, but I still see them as Americans.

01:01:54.080 I still see them as like, I like to think of us as fellow man, you know, like I would

01:01:58.620 like to get along with all the people.

01:02:01.560 I would, I would hope someone would say the person I wanted to win didn't, but I hope that

01:02:06.740 they have what's best in mind for America.

01:02:08.960 Like that's what I like to think.

01:02:10.480 Yeah.

01:02:11.680 And that's my goal at least.

01:02:13.240 That's so interesting.

01:02:14.100 I was at a, I was in Australia, I was doing a small tour of Australia a couple of years

01:02:18.740 back, I think.

01:02:19.440 And I was at a dinner where there was a bunch of politicians left and right.

01:02:22.860 And one of them, the guy who was hosting it, good friend of mine, stood up and he went,

01:02:27.220 you know, I've always known that the other party will get elected at some point.

01:02:32.080 And I want them to be the best possible government for Australia.

01:02:36.360 And I was like, oh my God, I haven't heard this for like 20 years.

01:02:40.040 Yeah.

01:02:40.280 I think that's good.

01:02:41.220 Of course.

01:02:42.020 Yeah.

01:02:42.520 Well, cause like, yeah, I mean, it's, it's simple.

01:02:44.740 Like you, like in like any sport, you might not like your captain, but like, at least he's,

01:02:49.980 we're all trying to win.

01:02:50.820 You know, we're all trying to, we should have the same goal.

01:02:53.220 Right.

01:02:53.720 Like nobody wants to see, like, I don't like when people post like liberal tears or like any

01:02:58.680 of those kinds of things.

01:02:59.460 And I think that's kind of what Trump channels.

01:03:01.620 Yeah.

01:03:01.820 And I am a Trump guy.

01:03:02.820 I like Donald Trump.

01:03:03.620 I just think, you know, if I'm going to comment on his imperfections, I don't think the trolling

01:03:08.240 is a good idea, even though it is funny.

01:03:11.540 Yeah.

01:03:11.920 I like it.

01:03:12.840 The bad part of me likes it.

01:03:14.260 Well, that's a very good point.

01:03:15.720 Cause I think like, as in just an outside observer, you hear people talking less and less about

01:03:21.640 the fact that we're all American and much more about the other side.

01:03:26.780 Yeah.

01:03:27.000 And at the end of the day, this is a country of people who have things in common.

01:03:33.220 Yeah.

01:03:33.420 Like left-wing Americans, right-wing Americans are more similar than people in other countries.

01:03:39.540 Yeah.

01:03:40.400 With similar political views to that particular thing.

01:03:42.820 Do you know what I mean?

01:03:43.340 Like even left-wing Americans are still like incredibly aspirational.

01:03:46.440 We were talking about this before we started, like your, your time on, in Britain on the

01:03:50.080 Isle of Man or Isle of White.

01:03:52.100 Isle of White.

01:03:52.600 Right.

01:03:53.280 Like the same American dream thing is not going on in the Isle of White.

01:03:56.920 Not at all.

01:03:57.500 No, they, they was very, I was, I've never felt more American than when I was in the Isle

01:04:02.740 of White.

01:04:03.260 We would shoot like a scene and like, um, we were all aliens.

01:04:06.960 It's kind of like, uh, the, the project that's, that we were shooting was the idea of like,

01:04:11.280 it's, it's kind of like Star Wars, if it was a comedy.

01:04:14.040 So like modern times is like, now there's creatures from all these planets that are all like

01:04:18.640 on all the planets kind of diversifying.

01:04:20.420 And they'd be like, all right, you're going to come into this bar.

01:04:23.320 And they're like, uh, just, you know, do something, just, just wing it for this take.

01:04:27.300 Like, let's, you're a comedian.

01:04:28.420 Just do something funny.

01:04:29.520 So I'm going into this bar with all these aliens and stuff.

01:04:32.320 And I, I'm, I'm an alien also.

01:04:34.280 And I figured that he's drunk and they've booked me to be this like louder, you know,

01:04:38.220 this loud, uh, you know, American-ish kind of alien.

01:04:41.700 So I come in, I just wing it.

01:04:43.260 And I was like, yeah, there's so much pussy here.

01:04:46.160 And I just watched like everyone be like, the fuck is this guy doing?

01:04:50.420 And I was like, that'd be like a real normal thing for like an American bro to say, you

01:04:55.600 know?

01:04:55.800 And I watched all the directors that I have there on their headsets.

01:04:58.220 Like, can you believe what he just said?

01:04:59.380 Like on the thing, I, I felt like at least the little experience I had of the week in

01:05:04.660 the Isle of Wight, I was like, I was just such a big, loud ass, you know?

01:05:09.100 But you also, you did ask some British people what their dreams were, which I, that's a

01:05:13.880 sketch in itself, man.

01:05:15.020 Oh my God.

01:05:15.680 Yeah.

01:05:15.880 They didn't know what to do with that question.

01:05:18.280 I was like, so like, what are you guys?

01:05:19.760 And they were just literally like, we have a family and we live here.

01:05:23.380 This is, this is kind of the thing.

01:05:25.500 And I was like, all right, sorry to ask, you know?

01:05:27.460 Yeah, it's, but the point that you were making about the liberal tears is so profound because

01:05:32.340 if you truly love your country, you want a good, strong left-wing opposition because

01:05:38.880 they're going to hold the right to account.

01:05:40.660 A hundred percent.

01:05:41.260 You want the Democrats, you want a lot kind of Obama-like figure who the moment Trump steps,

01:05:47.580 you might take some misstep, he is on him and he's going, hey, that's wrong.

01:05:52.320 What you're doing here is not called for A, B, C, D and E reasons.

01:05:56.260 Let's sort this out.

01:05:58.100 Because if you don't have that, then the people, because it's human nature, they're going to

01:06:02.400 be like, hey, I got away with this.

01:06:04.160 I can get away with this.

01:06:05.140 I can get away with that.

01:06:06.460 Yeah.

01:06:06.820 I think also too, I know this is like a kind of overlapping grand scheme kind of idea,

01:06:13.380 but well, I think one of the biggest problems that we're having in our country is that people

01:06:17.880 are treating their politics like religion.

01:06:19.780 And so all these people, they've all abandoned religion.

01:06:22.620 Like it's so trendy to say, I'm not religious and I hate Christians or blah, blah, blah.

01:06:27.780 Unless the religion is outside of America, then it's beautiful because it's a different

01:06:31.560 race, you know, but they hate any kind of domestic religion.

01:06:34.420 They hate any sort of like religious behavior.

01:06:36.780 They scoff at church.

01:06:38.220 They publicly criticize Christianity.

01:06:40.700 Yet they act out their politics as religious zealots.

01:06:45.940 Like the behavior they claim they hate, they do for their politics.

01:06:51.400 So they'll say, oh, I would, I, I don't even talk to my parents anymore.

01:06:54.980 I can't believe they think like that.

01:06:56.440 Or like anyone that would vote for him is, I couldn't do it.

01:06:59.220 I would never date someone that like they're, they're, they're acting it out.

01:07:02.540 And I think that's the biggest problem is you should be interacting with, with the other

01:07:06.340 side.

01:07:06.820 Like you should be having, you should have friends that have all different thoughts and ideas.

01:07:11.220 And in my opinion, that's the biggest problem with what we're going through.

01:07:14.760 It's completely true.

01:07:15.740 I remember talking to this comedian and he said to me, you know what?

01:07:18.580 I don't have any friends that I disagree with.

01:07:21.040 And I'm like, well, then you're a child.

01:07:22.420 That's a problem.

01:07:23.100 Yeah.

01:07:23.240 You're a child.

01:07:24.160 Because what that means is you can't bear one moment of discomfort of somebody going,

01:07:29.840 hang on, you know, this thing you said is actually not true.

01:07:32.600 Right.

01:07:33.240 And how not fun must that be?

01:07:35.300 Yeah.

01:07:35.660 Yeah.

01:07:35.960 That must be terrible.

01:07:37.100 So just no one disagrees with you at all ever.

01:07:40.080 Like that's insane.

01:07:41.360 That it like, like a day in that life would be pretty boring.

01:07:44.980 Well, man, it's been great having you on.

01:07:46.740 Really enjoyed this.

01:07:47.840 Your stuff is awesome.

01:07:49.040 I hope people check you out.

01:07:50.240 I'm sure they will.

01:07:51.780 We're going to go to Substack and ask you questions from our audience in a second.

01:07:55.900 But before we do, last question is always the same.

01:07:57.920 What's the one thing we're not talking about as a society that we really should be?

01:08:01.640 One thing we're not talking about that we should be talking about as a society that

01:08:06.040 we should be.

01:08:07.260 Maybe, I mean, kind of like overlapping what we were just talking about is just like getting

01:08:10.720 along.

01:08:11.440 Like, what do you really want?

01:08:12.540 Like, what's the goal?

01:08:14.140 You know, like, why do you want to view people as other?

01:08:17.400 I think we live in such a debate culture that nobody's having conversations where they can

01:08:21.700 just go, oh, that's an interesting perspective.

01:08:22.980 Or, oh, I agree with that.

01:08:24.260 Now let's chew on that.

01:08:25.440 They want to win.

01:08:27.080 There's, there's, the goal is to win the argument.

01:08:29.620 Not, not, not come to a nice understanding.

01:08:32.360 They're trying to defeat each other.

01:08:34.120 And I think that we should be talking about, uh, you know, we should be, we should be trying

01:08:38.300 to get along is what I think.

01:08:39.980 All right.

01:08:40.580 Head on over to triggerpod.co.uk where we ask Jeff your questions.

01:08:45.480 I think it's okay to tell any joke, no matter what the setup, subject, or how offensive it

01:08:50.220 is.

01:08:50.440 If it's funny, the risk of falling out of a friend or an, or an audience over it is on

01:08:54.880 the teller, do you agree?

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TRIGGERnometry - January 14, 2026

Hilarious Comedian Jeff Dye： Why the World's Gone Crazy!

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