00:06:39.540I don't, however, read autobiographies.
00:06:41.840I have no patience for these 900-page books
00:06:45.000on what Eisenhower had for breakfast on February the 12th, 1945. However, in the past 20 years,
00:06:52.540I've read two autobiographies that changed my life. One of them we can talk about later
00:06:57.000is Andrew Breitbart's Righteous Indignation, which is a, he called himself a thoughtless,
00:07:03.500drunk leftist, and his journey to conservatism, and his chapter six, if your viewers,
00:07:10.740your really informed viewers want to understand how we got to where we are today with
00:07:16.400the whole of the British establishment trying to stop Brexit, with the whole of the US
00:07:22.080establishment on both sides trying to stop Trump. You've got to read chapter six of Breitbart's
00:07:27.480Righteous Indignation. But the other book, which is crucial, I mean, utterly seminal to understanding
00:07:32.920what happened here in 2016 is J.D. Vance's hillbilly elegy. Now, J.D. Vance, he was not
00:07:42.380a fan of Donald Trump. He has become more MAGA in recent years, given the cancel culture.
00:07:49.360But his story of how he grew up as the scion of an Appalachian clan, working class Americans from
00:07:56.560the hills, hillbillies, who came from a culture that had a future, could get jobs in the factories,
00:08:03.580could feed their kids to a subculture that was destroyed by left and right, betrayed by the
00:08:12.700Republicans and the Democrats for 50 years with their jobs shipped over to Asia, riven with drug
00:08:19.620abuse. He grew up in a single mother household. Mother was a drug addict. That man's story of how
00:08:26.420he climbed out of that. And the broader context of what the political elites had done to the
00:08:34.500working class is an eye opener. And I'll express it with just one empirical data point. I find it
00:08:41.880amusing that, you know, an immigrant to America with an accent has to constantly remind my fellow
00:08:48.580Americans what we actually did in 2016. Because from 1776 until 2016, we had 44 presidential
00:08:58.360administrations. Every stinking one of them was led by a member of the political elite,
00:09:06.740either a congressman, a senator, a former governor as president, or a retired general
00:09:12.220like Washington or Eisenhower. Every single president was a member of the inset.
00:09:20.640In 2016, 65 million Americans said, screw that. We want an utter outsider. And it sounds funny,
00:09:30.160you know, billionaire from Manhattan. But he was an outsider, hated by the establishment,
00:09:35.800not just the left, but the Republican establishment detested him, made fun of him.
00:09:40.820And we chose a man who'd never even run for any political office to the highest office of the land.
00:09:47.400So, you know, politics changed in a way in 2016.
00:09:51.440And thanks in part, and I have to give you guys credit, it starts with Nigel and it starts with Brexit.
00:09:58.220The reassertion of representative government, which the left derisively calls populism, which is quite ironic because what does populism mean?
00:10:08.460it's popular with most of the people, which is kind of like a definition of democracy as far
00:10:14.480as I'm concerned. But it is this pejorative phrase today. So in 2016, we, you know, the American
00:10:20.880people, black, white, working class, not working class, sent a message to this city behind me,
00:10:27.740enough, enough, enough, it stops now. So it's a very, very good point that you're making. So
00:10:34.780really what you're saying is that the reason Trump got elected was because there was a backlash
00:10:39.400against globalization. Yeah, so let me let me talk about personal experience. So I flew with
00:10:45.120the president to Youngstown, Ohio on Air Force One. And Youngstown is called it's called Steel
00:10:51.240Valley. It is one of the epicenters of the steel industry as was. We landed on a on a military base
00:10:59.960because you know, he had the convoy and the beast and everything else he gets off the plane, we get
00:11:03.940into the convoy. It's about a 20-minute ride to the stadium where, you know, there's going to be
00:11:08.700a MAGA rally. This was in 2017. And it's fascinating. 20-minute drive. On the left-hand
00:11:16.040side, all we see, one after another, are these disused steel mills, these foundries that are
00:11:22.940decaying, empty. On the right-hand side, for 20 minutes, guys, we see kids, we see moms, we see
00:11:31.160out-of-work dads with their little American flags waving at the president's convoy.
00:11:37.520We get to the arena, 24,000, I mean, just packed arena, bosses in the back. I'm taking selfies
00:11:46.060with the people who are there. And it's clear to me, 99% of the people in this building
00:11:52.540are either former Democrats or their dads or their granddads were in the mill and they were
00:11:58.400working class Democrats. The billionaire from Manhattan walks out on the stage. Actually,
00:12:05.200it was the first lady and then the president. And guys, I kid you not, you can watch the footage.
00:12:11.280Donald Trump, the billionaire from Manhattan, couldn't start his speech for minutes
00:12:18.240because the crowd was screaming, USA, USA, drain the swamp. This is in one of the hardest
00:12:27.740core Democrat strongholds in America. You're absolutely right. It was an up yours to the
00:12:35.500globalists and their representatives on both sides of the political aisle who had screwed
00:12:41.560the people who built America for decades. That's what happened in 2016.
00:12:48.660And Seb, I know what your answer to this question is going to be. So I'm just going to preempt it
00:12:53.100by saying I think we probably all three of us agree that if it weren't for COVID, Donald Trump
00:12:57.220wins again in 2020. But the fact that he didn't win, the fact that this happened and Joe Biden
00:13:04.860is now president, what does that mean for populism? Because I think the underlying sentiment,
00:13:11.400some of the boil was lanced somewhat, the pass has run somewhat. Do you think now people will
00:13:19.640sort of, you know, I'll be honest with you, I don't miss Donald Trump. I don't miss the rhetoric.
00:13:24.600I don't miss the constant outrage all the time about him.
00:13:28.700Do you think a lot of people will be like, OK, look, the elite got the shot across the bowels.
00:13:33.180They're going to stop, as we say in England, taking the piss.
00:14:19.680I believe maybe 60 to 70 percent of Trump voters think it was stolen. So whether or not populism survives is one question. The other question is, does the majority of this nation's population actually believe in the fundamental sacred right that we have to choose our own political leaders, whichever party they come from?
00:14:46.980We have a sucking chest wound. We have a lethal wound at the heart of our political structures that has to be fixed first before we can even get to the other questions of leading style and policies.
00:15:01.580Secondly, if you look at the interests of the globalists, they are more powerful than they have ever been.
00:15:09.360They're pushing the envelope to such extremes, especially with critical race theory, that there's already a backlash.
00:15:15.700Ash. But what we've witnessed, think about this. In the first month, Biden wrote more than 100
00:15:21.720executive orders. This is these are things that don't go through the Senate. They're just, you
00:15:26.940know, decrees coming out of the White House. This is from a man who seven months prior during the
00:15:32.480debate said only dictators ruled by executive order. That's what he said. And that's what he's
00:15:39.800doing. How have the globalists fared since January the 20th and the inauguration? Bloody well. I mean,
00:15:47.400really well. The XL Keystone Pipeline, I'm getting into specifics here, but there was a pipeline that
00:15:52.400we built with Canada that was crucial to jobs in America. On the first day in office, he killed it.
00:15:59.320Donald Trump had made it possible. Biden killed it. On that one day, one day, 11,000 Americans
00:16:06.640lost their jobs and and senator kerry who's now the climate czar for biden this arrogant shit who
00:16:14.460who who globetrotts in his private jet married into the heinz family has gone on record to say
00:16:20.860yeah well uh those oil rig workers they can get jobs in the solar industry i mean just classic
00:16:30.700arrogant, elitist. Yeah, I'm going to up sticks from Texas and move to Massachusetts with my
00:16:37.760family and my six kids. And not only that, when you talk to the Canadians, Lord Conrad Black,
00:16:44.320regular guest on my show, he says both sides of the political spectrum in Canada are apoplectic
00:16:50.340because it may be 11,000 jobs in America. In Canada, it was 36,000 jobs that were killed
00:16:57.880with that one executive order. So whether it's Kautang to China, whether it's allowing Russia to
00:17:04.500have its Nord Stream pipeline with Germany, whether it's bending over backwards to big tech,
00:17:12.140globalism is stronger than it ever was. And I wrote a piece I sent you guys, and I know you
00:17:17.120don't want to talk about Trump exclusively, and I get it. But I pray that he comes back in 2024
00:17:24.020for one reason. We have some serious shit to fix in D.C. I mean, we have some real that I didn't
00:17:31.320use the phrase deep state when I joined the administration. I thought it was tinfoil hat
00:17:35.780kind of conspiracy theory. And then I saw it. Then I saw what they did to General Flynn. Then
00:17:40.900I saw what they did to Roger Stone and others. It's real. We have people who are seditious,
00:17:46.920unelected subversives who are very powerful bureaucrats and who believe that their writ
00:17:53.500outweighs the writ of the electorate who chooses the president. So I want to see, in your words,
00:17:59.980Constantine, I want to see that berserker back in the office. And I want to see a flamethrower
00:18:06.940applied to these people who think they're better than their fellow American so that we can actually
00:18:13.000get them out of these bureaucratic strongholds. And I don't care about the tweets. God bless him
00:18:19.100in his tweets. I think he prevented World War Three in North Korea with his tweets about Lil
00:18:24.220Kim. We need a man. The delightful thing. Look, I went to a public school in West London. I spent
00:18:30.68013 years in a Benedictine, you know, school, stiff upper lip, debating society, all that jazz.
00:18:37.300You think it wasn't hard for me to get used to this guy? Because what you see is what you get.
00:18:42.360He is a kid from Queens. He's not Georgetown. He's not Manhattan. He is a kid from Queens.
00:18:48.540It took me some getting used to. But the greatest thing about Donald Trump in an era of rising,
00:18:54.300unaccountable globalist bureaucracies is there are no sacred cows for this man.
00:19:00.480He comes in. If he sees something that's wrong, whether it's our relations with Israel,
00:19:05.500whether it's the working class being screwed, he goes about his darndest to fix it.
00:19:11.180So we need four more years of the berserker in the in the White House, because otherwise you're seeing it already.
00:19:17.620You're seeing, you know, all these swamp creature Republicans, 10 senators and then 23 congressmen who voted to impeach their own leader.
00:19:28.680They see Donald Trump as an anomaly. And as soon as he's gone, we can get back to business and we can scratch the Democrats backs and they'll scratch ours.
00:19:37.780i don't want that i want representative government for as many of the people who live here
00:19:44.200irrespective of their class or their skin color and and the stunning thing about donald trump
00:19:49.380is he wanted only two things and you don't have to take my word for it but but guys but if you're
00:19:55.020watching read my books i'll give you my testimony he wanted two things for everybody in america if
00:20:00.860you're here legally he wants you to be safe and he wants you to prosper and the remarkable thing is
00:20:07.180he wanted that for you, whether or not you voted for him. That is not the attitude of the Democrats
00:20:15.320who right now, and I'd love to talk about this, are criminalizing conservatives. How do I know
00:20:22.120that? January the 6th, we had people trespass on Congress. They didn't kill anybody. They didn't
00:20:28.120shoot anybody. There are people on trespass charges who have been sitting in federal jails
00:20:34.600just behind me in solitary since January that happens in a police state and nobody from BLM
00:20:43.360or Antifa has been sitting in solitary for five months that's what really keeps me awake at night
00:20:50.140so sorry but this you know with my background this stuff really gets to me right but you say
00:20:57.020that said but surely you know what they did was incredibly serious incredibly they need to pay
00:21:03.460the price. Don't get me wrong. If you went in there, if you nicked, you know, Nancy Pelosi's
00:21:08.640laptop, if you broke up somebody's office, get charged in front of a jury of your peers and pay
00:21:16.060the penalty. But but hang on a second. When Kamala Harris is raising bail money for Antifa activists
00:21:24.540to get let out of prison, but somebody who trespassed and broke a window is in solitary
00:21:31.260confinement for five months, that's not equality before the law. That is the use of the police
00:21:39.600as a police state for political purposes. They need to be punished, but they don't need to be
00:21:45.820punished for political reasons. Well, look, there's an argument to be had there,
00:21:52.060because what they did was also a political act, because it was an attempt to stop a vote from
00:21:56.940happening uh in in in congress right so right right but we but we don't have a system that is
00:22:03.360meant to do political policing it's a criminal charge look the blm and t for double standard
00:22:11.200is is very is something you and i and all three of us probably agree on so we don't need to get
00:22:16.460into that and if people are sitting in solitary which i actually didn't know for all this time
00:22:20.620that sounds wrong to me on on the surface but look i i take it if you don't mind me saying by
00:22:26.200the way, you avoided my question about populism, that you do think it's run out of steam.
00:22:32.460I don't think it's run out of steam. I think there are forces, there are retrenchment of forces
00:22:41.020that want to undermine populism. And I think there's a lot of people, and I see this, you know,
00:22:47.020the callers to my show and what have you, who say, that's it. They stole it. I'm never voting again.
00:22:53.520that that's a really disturbing attitude and i tell them really you've given up on america
00:22:59.900what what would the founding fathers say who took on the british empire that's that's a very
00:23:05.120un-american attitude i think populism the the rejection of globalism is alive it's like i think
00:23:12.280you were talking to somebody one of your guests it's you know once you voted brexit once you voted
00:23:18.260anti-establishment i think maybe you made this point or maybe francis once you've gone
00:23:23.440and the establishment once, you're not going to go back. Right. Well, once you've said up yours
00:23:28.880to the establishment, even if you're a Labour voter all your life, once you vote against Labour
00:23:34.500because you see them as the establishment now, you're not going to suddenly bounce back. So I
00:23:40.480think that the populist sentiment is out there amongst the 74, 75 million people that voted for
00:23:48.160Donald Trump. But there are these very, very powerful forces of the rhinos, the Republicans
00:23:55.020in name only, the establishment politicians who say, ah, flash in the pan. He's an irrelevance.
00:24:02.260Let's get back to the old way of doing business. So I am worried for populism. And I don't see
00:24:08.020outside of maybe the governor of Florida, I don't see a lot of people who have that,
00:24:13.120you know, balls to the wall, you know, bulldog spirit and want to fight, fight the globalists.
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00:25:29.360We're talking about Trump and the role of the president.
00:25:33.160Isn't one of the subjects that we're not really addressing
00:25:50.960And it's just very simple mathematics.
00:25:54.140Donald Trump was utterly detested by every element of the elite
00:25:57.900because nobody owned him. He'd never, you know, been funded and never had donors from big pharma,
00:26:05.340from big tech. He wasn't in the pocket of the unions. Everybody hated him. That's why he could
00:26:11.100come out as a Republican president, constantly hammering big pharma, saying, well, how much is
00:26:18.040insulin? How much are you charging Americans for insulin? That's a bloody crime. And he went to war
00:26:23.860with pharma. That's not a popular thing to do as a politician. So, you know, corporations,
00:26:29.420of course, hate populism because they're not national entities. IBM isn't a national entity.
00:26:36.340Nike with its sweatshops in Xinjiang, China, with its slave labor, you know, trainer makers,
00:26:43.040they're not an American company anymore. So you're absolutely right. But even more dangerous
00:26:47.380is Silicon Valley and Palo Alto. Your viewers may not be familiar, but think of this one thing.
00:26:55.680Mark Zuckerberg, the founder, the CEO of Facebook, through his NGO, dropped $400 million in the last
00:27:04.460election, not as campaign contributions to candidates, but to local governments to help
00:27:11.480control how the elections are actually run, to quote unquote, train election officials.
00:27:19.840And for example, once the governor's changed the laws unilaterally, to put ballot drop boxes where
00:27:26.800in Democrat stronghold districts, almost half a billion dollars of private money into the actual
00:27:35.900running of elections. That should be a crime. I don't care who you're voting for.
00:27:41.480But when Facebook and when when when Twitter, the oldest newspaper in America is the New York Post.
00:27:47.980OK, it was it was it was founded by one of the founding fathers when the New York Post gets the access to Hunter Biden's laptop, which is his laptop, because when your lawyers demand to get it back from the repair shop owner, that means it's Hunter Biden's laptop.
00:28:04.560When the story of the the emails with Russia, the Burisma no show job for eighty three thousand dollars a month, the fact that his company was in bed with the chief spy of communist China and we have Hunter Biden's voicemail where he admits it on the laptop.
00:28:19.680When that story blew in the New York Post before the election and Jack Dorsey made it impossible to post it on Twitter, if you posted it, it was deleted.
00:28:31.100The New York Times own post of the story was memory hold like Orwell.
00:28:37.800Then then I don't know which is worse, big corporations or Twitter and Facebook.
00:37:16.120When you have people being shamed in front of their class, having to stand up because you're white and apologize for slavery in 2021, that's not teaching the difference between neoliberal, neoclassicist theories of international relations.
00:37:35.500That is Orwellian North Korean indoctrination. This is the self-criticism of the Maoists that
00:37:43.320we saw with the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, where you have to publicly
00:37:48.600shame yourself in front of others because of your skin color. So teaching as a theory,
00:37:54.520yeah, that would be not an issue. But when a six-year-old is being told,
00:37:59.620you need to apologize because you're white that's indoctrination it is look all of that
00:38:08.500is abhorrent to me um but does it would you not say that obviously look everything you've said
00:38:15.740about the history of this i completely agree with the the the they kind of understood at one point
00:38:21.820that you can't get the working class to rise up if they think that someday they'll be wealthy too
00:38:26.720which is the essence of the American dream, right?
00:38:47.220the desire for some kind of what you described as equity
00:38:52.260where you press down on one group to elevate another
00:38:55.400comes from the fact that the Western world is unequal
00:39:01.700and there is racial inequality that is baked into the cake of the story of our countries.
00:39:08.580And we see it in this country where communities from certain parts of the world struggle.
00:39:14.020Now, I'm not saying, by the way, that's to do with skin colour.
00:39:16.460There are different things going on and we've talked about them on our show, as you know.
00:39:20.680but the fact is that an unequal society which which claims to be just and fair uh isn't that
00:39:29.080and so the desire to equalize is sort of coming from a good place even though i agree with you
00:39:34.340i don't think the outcomes are going to be anything like what these people are suggesting
00:39:37.980okay i don't know if you're being a devil's advocate i'm kind of shocked given given your
00:39:43.940family background that you've even raised that i mean look you've had jay to the b to the ever
00:39:49.240loving P on your show. And, you know, if he's not the most eloquent person on this issue,
00:39:57.180OK, there is no utopia on Earth. I get it. Fine. But who's going to decide who gets the biggest
00:40:04.560slice of the pie and who's going to decide, well, well, now it's OK. Now blacks are all right or
00:40:11.180yellow or whatever. I have got enough. Who's going to decide that? And me. So my background,
00:40:17.380I'm a mutt from Central Europe. OK, my name is Polish. My parents were Hungarian. My mom's got
00:40:23.420a little bit of Turkish in her. There's a little bit of Jewish somewhere, possibly. I was born in
00:40:28.980the UK and I'm an immigrant to the United States, but I'm white. So do I have to be punished?
00:40:38.340Does some of my income have to go to a black person who was born here whose parents were
00:40:44.780were Jamaican and were never slaves. You see that, you know, the absurdity, this becomes a
00:40:51.760Monty Python skid after a while. It's the equality of outcomes versus the equality of opportunity.
00:41:00.140And look, I go back to growing up in West London. I grew up in Ealing. Ealing back in the 70s was
00:41:06.660one of the most diverse parts of London because, you know, after World War II, members of the Free
00:41:11.860Polish army were given housing there. I went to school with my mates were, you know, my best mate
00:41:17.000was a Pakistani. The other guy was Polish, German. There was only one kid out of 600, one kid who
00:41:23.540could prove he was actually English, English going back a few generations. And the school bus driver
00:41:29.780on the number 65 bus was a Jamaican with a thick Jamaican accent. We all thought all of us were
00:41:36.400Brits. Right. And I think that's the way it should be. The idea that I or my dad, a refugee from
00:41:42.260Hungary, should be punished in favor of the black bus driver's future. That's that's insanity. And
00:41:50.220at the end of the day, let me be clear. Have you guys been to America? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. OK.
00:41:56.500I've lived in England. I've lived for 15 years in a post-communist country after the war fell.
00:42:02.540I worked for the first freely elected conservative government in Hungary.
00:42:06.760I've traveled the world from Japan to Africa, you name it.
00:42:11.680And I can tell you right now, hand on heart, hand on the good book.
00:42:14.960There is no nation less racist than America.
00:42:21.080The idea that a black kid from a single mother household could become the president of the United States is all the proof you need.
00:42:32.300If you work your ass off, you will be successful in this country. You may not be a neuroscientist
00:42:38.660like Ben Carson, a black member of the Trump administration, who was the first
00:42:44.580neuro brain surgeon to separate conjoined twins in America, who likewise grew up in a single
00:42:51.020mother household where his mother couldn't read, but he ends up in the cabinet of the president.
00:42:57.480You know, think of this. I'm a flipping immigrant. I only became an immigrant in 2012. And five years later, I'm walking around the White House as deputy assistant to the president. It still blows my mind. If I hadn't gone to Harrow or Eton, I wouldn't be doing that in the UK in 10 Downing Street. I know that. I know if you've got the wrong name, if your name is Mohammed and you apply for a white collar job in Marseille, you are screwed in France.
00:43:24.760I've seen real racism in the countries I've lived in. So the idea that we have a problem,
00:43:30.800we are, you know, this is the only nation that went to war with itself to end bigotry.
00:43:38.580More people died in the civil war in America than in all the other wars combined. You combine the
00:43:46.260deaths from World War I, World War II in Vietnam, it doesn't come close. 600,000 Americans died to
00:43:53.740end slavery in the Civil War. And some shit at the New York Times is going to lecture me on my
00:44:00.020whiteness being a guilt I have to pay off to somebody whose melanin level in their skin is a
00:44:05.780little bit darker than mine. That way lies tyranny. Because who's going to decide who gets what? It's
00:44:13.140the ultimate question of communism. Who gets to decide and who gets to decide, okay, now you've
00:44:17.940had enough reparations and we can all live happily. I saw it myself. I went to Harvard in the 90s
00:44:24.020and I saw these kids who came on affirmative action to Harvard. They couldn't cut it.
00:44:31.040They felt awkward and they created tension with the people who were maybe Asian, who'd worked
00:44:37.240their tails off to get into Harvard and saw this person walking on a ticket because he's the right
00:44:42.920skin color. That way you actually engender racial tension. You don't solve anything. So no, I agree
00:44:50.980with, you know, Jordan Peterson and everybody else who's looked at this for decades. It's equality
00:44:57.200of opportunity and it cannot be equality of outcome because who's going to enforce that?
00:45:07.460And I agree with you, Seb, that it does need to be equality of opportunity.
00:45:11.200but the problem is when you have a society like america there isn't equality of opportunity is
00:45:18.060there i mean let's be fair why not if obama can make it to president if ben carson can make it
00:45:24.840into the cabinet as black kids from single parent households where where where is the systemic
00:45:31.620lack of opportunity well for example if someone grows up incredibly poor in a deprived neighborhood
00:45:40.900with high crime rates that it's going to be far more difficult for them especially if they go to
00:45:45.960a school that is failing that has got literacy rates through the floor numeracy rates through
00:45:50.780the floor it's look as a former teacher it that kid has got it far tougher than somebody else
00:45:57.540who goes to a very prestigious private school in manhattan and gets you know and and you know
00:46:03.760it's very easy for them not very easy much easier for them right and and and what has happened in
00:46:09.440the last 60 years since the Great Society, what was created, we've sunk literally trillions of
00:46:16.780dollars into those inner cities, into those ghettos. With what effect? The average poverty
00:46:23.200rate in America is exactly the same as it was under LBJ, exactly the same, despite the trillions
00:46:29.680of dollars sunken into them. Why? Because a culture of dependency was created. And the teachers union
00:46:35.920said, what do you mean you want to have a voucher system where a black mother can choose where their
00:46:41.980kid goes to school? We don't want voucher systems. We want state schools based upon the union
00:46:47.300precincts. And you go to the flipping school that's in your district. What we've created is
00:46:52.260what is the answer to these things? Well, sir, let me interrupt you there
00:46:56.640very respectfully, because all of the failures of the left we've covered, as you well know,
00:47:01.380on our show quite thoroughly but but here's what i'm asking you and i think this is actually an
00:47:05.940opportunity uh for your side of the conversation to come up with some answers what is your offering
00:47:13.440what is your solution to some of those problems when francis talks about and you you know this
00:47:18.640full well that in certain neighborhoods in america kids can't read at the age of 15 and they can't
00:47:24.640write and they they don't have certain role models they don't have access to opportunities and by the
00:47:29.860time they're 18, there's no way they're getting the job because they've got a criminal record and
00:47:34.260they've got no understanding of how to conduct themselves and whatever. So what is the conservative
00:47:38.960answer to that lack of equality of opportunity that we all so much believe in? I can't do it
00:47:45.020better than my Salem radio colleague, Larry Elder. It's, you know, the success in life,
00:47:51.560whatever your skincare is, very simple. Finish school and get married and don't have kids before
00:48:01.200you're married. If we I mean, the fact that 70% of black children are born to fatherless homes,
00:48:08.860that's the problem, not how much money is spent in inner city Chicago. The problem is the role
00:48:15.380of faith, of tradition, of family values, Larry's absolutely right. You've got to break the unions.
00:48:25.160You've got to give parents the power to choose where their kids go to school. Schools have got
00:48:30.280to be competitive. And we've got to have this disincentivization of people to be unmarried and
00:48:37.540have kids. If you're in the city of Chicago, you're going to get more money from the state
00:48:42.100if you're not married and have kids from five different guys.
00:48:46.580How is that good for the children that you're having?
00:49:11.740You know, I'm a complete purist on this stuff. I've seen enough. I've seen relatives who may have just done, you know, soft drugs, who've thrown away their lives. I'm not a big I think I think the the the the criminalization of the user is not the way to go.
00:49:32.420I think we have to try and get people off drugs as much as we can. But I think I'm not a libertarian. I think libertarians, it's one of the dumbest philosophies out there, because it doesn't factor in secondary and tertiary consequences of the libertine lifestyle.
00:49:51.320well, you've got to have, you know, it's the broken window policy for me, right? You know,
00:49:57.000a little infraction eventually leads to a large infraction. And at the end of the day, I'm a
00:50:02.980purist when it comes to drugs, although I do think the way we have spent money on the war of drugs
00:50:08.040is absolutely insane. People should be helped. But if you're a dealer who's destroying lives,
00:50:14.740you should be banged up for life as far as I'm concerned.
00:50:40.480And we know this thing, the war on drugs, does not work, right?
00:50:44.460And that's what I – and my argument for ending the war on drugs is nothing to do with libertarianism, which is not an ideology I particularly share.
00:50:51.800It's to do with the fact that I don't think it's working and I think you need to do something else.
00:50:56.920And so my approach isn't to just say, you know, take heroin, whatever.
00:51:01.640It's to get people the help they need to not be addicts, but also to allow responsible adults to put in their body, frankly, what they choose to if they're being responsible about it and they don't need the help.
00:51:12.420My, you know, it's not something I've spent a lot of time looking at. I've never taken any drugs in my life. So it's not something that I've seen others and it's been horrifying, you know, what's happened to them. But I think the answer is it cannot be solved by government, right? That's the bottom line.
00:51:31.220It's got to be solved by private initiative, by people, organizations, churches, social workers helping, but not government.
00:51:41.840And if it's the it's if it's a dealer, if it's hard drugs, that remains a crime.
00:51:46.460But the end user, no, those people need to be helped to create a to become functioning individuals.
00:56:44.780Do you think that is because people are desperate and they don't see someone who still still don't see anyone else who represents them?
00:56:52.740Or do you think he actually delivered for them in his first term?
00:56:57.960Well, I think, you know, if you're a policy wonk like I am, you know, you look at what he delivered from crushing ISIS, securing the wall, getting serious on Russia, biggest economy.
00:57:10.480Wait, sorry, what do you mean about securing the wall? Did he finish the wall?
00:57:13.560No, no. I mean, the illegal immigrants. We got illegal immigration down to a trickle, especially after COVID, even without the wall, because we had something called Title 42 that meant because of the COVID infection, if you cross the border illegally, we could deport you straight away.
00:57:30.400So he had powers under under covid that we'd never had before, which meant we had we had a fraction of the of the illegal crossings by by October of last year.
00:57:42.140But no, he didn't get to finish the war. So so getting a grip on illegal migration, crushing ISIS, lowest unemployment for blacks and Hispanics since since record keeping began.
00:57:52.380And so, I mean, on a policy platform, amazing success.
00:57:56.260But I think really why he's going to be popular again is what you said at the beginning, Constantine.
00:58:03.160He's a berserker and people are fed up.
00:58:05.640People just don't trust the establishment, whether they're a pipe fitter in, you know, in Long Island,
00:58:13.140whether they're a farmer in, you know, in Texas
00:58:17.040or whether they're a working class guy
00:58:19.980who's kind of sick with what he's seen happen to his family