TRIGGERnometry - Is Donald Trump Making a Comeback？ - Dr Sebastian Gorka

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantin Kissin.

00:00:09.740 And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

00:00:15.760 Our brilliant guest today is many, many things. He's an intelligent analyst. He's a former deputy

00:00:21.120 assistant to President Donald Trump, radio host, now TV host of the Gawker Reality Check, and of

00:00:26.480 course, author of this book, The War for America's Soul, Dr. Sebastian Gorka. Welcome to Trigonometry.

00:00:32.080 Cheers, guys. Just call me Seb, please.

00:00:34.940 We will do, Seb. Thanks for coming on the show. That is probably the longest intro we've ever

00:00:39.700 done, but let's make it a bit longer. Tell us a little bit about who are you, what has been your

00:00:45.120 journey through life, how do you find yourself sitting here talking to two very problematic

00:00:49.340 people like us. Yeah, you mean two bigots. Let me start with something else first. So I don't

00:00:58.980 take this the wrong way, guys. I am just stunned that it takes a Jewish kid from Russia and a half 0.98

00:01:07.960 Venezuelan Brit to have what I consider to be one of the most substantive podcasts anywhere.

00:01:15.960 You are the interesting, serious Joe Rogans

00:01:19.400 and you keep me sane, guys.

00:01:22.000 So God bless both of you.

00:01:24.520 That's very kind. Thanks, Seb.

00:01:25.860 That is very, very kind, Seb.

00:01:27.560 And being a British person, that was a compliment

00:01:29.520 and I really don't know how to deal with it

00:01:31.520 apart from offer a kind of thinly veiled insult.

00:01:35.620 You're going to turn him back to drink at this rate.

00:01:38.060 Yeah, exactly.

00:01:38.780 On top of that, on top of that,

00:01:41.000 I do not, having grown up in the UK,

00:01:43.380 Knowing the relationship the Brits have to alcohol,

00:01:47.020 and I know it's been a tough year under COVID,

00:01:49.440 so I don't want to encourage more drinking,

00:01:51.800 but I have to say the recent Raw that you guys did, Langard,

00:01:55.520 was hilarious, even funnier than usual.

00:01:58.740 And I do think, FF, you should write that book 0.92

00:02:02.880 that keto is for slags. 1.00

00:02:05.080 That cookbook should be written.

00:02:08.200 All right.

00:02:09.220 So who am I?

00:02:10.180 This is going out to the real public now, right?

00:02:13.380 All right. So who's Seb Gorka? I was born in the UK to parents who escaped communist Hungary in

00:02:21.380 the revolution in 1956. My dad actually being liberated from a political communist prison by

00:02:28.600 the freedom fighters. He was arrested, tortured, and imprisoned and first actually betrayed by

00:02:34.760 Kim Philby in MI6. Got a life sentence at the age of 20, liberated, escaped with the 17-year-old

00:02:43.040 daughter of a fellow prison mate across the minefields into Austria and then over to the UK.

00:02:48.160 Those are my parents. How am I where I am today? Why do I believe what I believe?

00:02:54.060 There's a story in one of my books. We were on the beach on holiday when I was a kid,

00:03:00.100 maybe seven, eight years old. My dad came out of the ocean. They tried to break him as a man,

00:03:05.160 but they didn't break him physically or mentally. He came out of the ocean after a swim.

00:03:09.620 and like a dumb kid I asked him a question about these lines I saw on his wrist and I said dad what 0.96

00:03:16.560 are those because he was too too young to be wrinkled without skipping a beat he uh he without 0.97

00:03:23.920 emotion said son that's where the secret police bound my wrists together behind my back with wire

00:03:31.040 so so they could hang me from the ceiling of the torture chamber that's when my life changed

00:03:37.460 inexorably. That's when I realized that, you know, concepts like evil aren't just from

00:03:43.860 Grimm's tales or Hansel and Gretel. Evil is real. It walks the earth. And communism is the most evil

00:03:51.660 ideology we've ever seen. And so I've dedicated my professional career to national security. I

00:03:58.600 worked in the US Defense Department teaching irregular warfare counterterrorism, met my

00:04:04.660 American wife in Europe teaching a counterterrorism program after 9-11, and then eventually ended up

00:04:10.580 here. We moved to America in 2008, hoping we would leave socialism behind us in Europe.

00:04:17.520 Sadly, America elected Obama, and then we had to suffer under that. And then eventually,

00:04:23.900 I wrote a couple of books on the threat of al-Qaeda and ISIS. One of them got to the attention

00:04:28.940 of candidate Donald Trump. And to cut a longer story, slightly shorter, I ended up in the White

00:04:36.540 House in the first year of the Trump administration as deputy assistant and strategist to Donald

00:04:41.280 Trump. My thing is grand strategy, national security, and just fighting totalitarians

00:04:48.120 wherever we see them, whether it's global jihadists or whether it's the purveyors of

00:04:53.300 critical race theory now here in the United States. And Seb, you are probably as far onto

00:04:59.600 the MAGA train as we've gone in terms of our interviews. And as you know, neither Francis

00:05:04.500 or I were particularly big fans of your former employer. We are some, we politically are probably

00:05:09.900 far to the left of you in terms of being in the centre. But what we really wanted to talk to you

00:05:15.260 about, rather than going 12 rounds with you on some tweet that Donald Trump did or whatever,

00:05:19.280 We can talk about that a little bit later, perhaps, in a more nuanced way.

00:05:24.360 What we wanted to talk to you about is what Donald Trump represented.

00:05:27.880 When I think of Donald Trump, the image I see as a sort of Viking berserker breaking through a wall and taking all the first arrows.

00:05:36.720 And, you know, it's not necessarily the guy you want your daughter to bring home, you know.

00:05:41.800 But sometimes they can be necessary, even though it's not necessarily the nicest guy, if you like.

00:05:47.680 what do you think his election represented first of all well i like that that description of a

00:05:56.360 berserker one of the regular guests on my radio show who i consider to be one of the greatest

00:06:02.000 minds alive today's victor davis hansen and he he gave a presentation about you know the need of the

00:06:09.220 ajax the need of the patent these uncivilized individuals that are needed from time to time

00:06:15.720 to actually save civilization.

00:06:18.000 And I very much see my former boss, Donald Trump,

00:06:20.960 in that light.

00:06:21.980 So what happened in 2016?

00:06:24.420 I don't know about you guys.

00:06:25.740 I love to read.

00:06:26.560 I have two serious health conditions.

00:06:31.340 I can't walk past a bookstore without buying a book

00:06:34.160 or past a gun store without buying a gun.

00:06:36.740 So I love to collect guns.

00:06:38.240 I love to collect books.

00:06:39.540 I don't, however, read autobiographies.

00:06:41.840 I have no patience for these 900-page books

00:06:45.000 on what Eisenhower had for breakfast on February the 12th, 1945. However, in the past 20 years,

00:06:52.540 I've read two autobiographies that changed my life. One of them we can talk about later

00:06:57.000 is Andrew Breitbart's Righteous Indignation, which is a, he called himself a thoughtless,

00:07:03.500 drunk leftist, and his journey to conservatism, and his chapter six, if your viewers,

00:07:10.740 your really informed viewers want to understand how we got to where we are today with

00:07:16.400 the whole of the British establishment trying to stop Brexit, with the whole of the US

00:07:22.080 establishment on both sides trying to stop Trump. You've got to read chapter six of Breitbart's

00:07:27.480 Righteous Indignation. But the other book, which is crucial, I mean, utterly seminal to understanding

00:07:32.920 what happened here in 2016 is J.D. Vance's hillbilly elegy. Now, J.D. Vance, he was not

00:07:42.380 a fan of Donald Trump. He has become more MAGA in recent years, given the cancel culture.

00:07:49.360 But his story of how he grew up as the scion of an Appalachian clan, working class Americans from

00:07:56.560 the hills, hillbillies, who came from a culture that had a future, could get jobs in the factories,

00:08:03.580 could feed their kids to a subculture that was destroyed by left and right, betrayed by the 0.65

00:08:12.700 Republicans and the Democrats for 50 years with their jobs shipped over to Asia, riven with drug 1.00

00:08:19.620 abuse. He grew up in a single mother household. Mother was a drug addict. That man's story of how

00:08:26.420 he climbed out of that. And the broader context of what the political elites had done to the

00:08:34.500 working class is an eye opener. And I'll express it with just one empirical data point. I find it

00:08:41.880 amusing that, you know, an immigrant to America with an accent has to constantly remind my fellow 0.92

00:08:48.580 Americans what we actually did in 2016. Because from 1776 until 2016, we had 44 presidential

00:08:58.360 administrations. Every stinking one of them was led by a member of the political elite,

00:09:06.740 either a congressman, a senator, a former governor as president, or a retired general

00:09:12.220 like Washington or Eisenhower. Every single president was a member of the inset.

00:09:20.640 In 2016, 65 million Americans said, screw that. We want an utter outsider. And it sounds funny, 0.97

00:09:30.160 you know, billionaire from Manhattan. But he was an outsider, hated by the establishment,

00:09:35.800 not just the left, but the Republican establishment detested him, made fun of him.

00:09:40.820 And we chose a man who'd never even run for any political office to the highest office of the land.

00:09:47.400 So, you know, politics changed in a way in 2016.

00:09:51.440 And thanks in part, and I have to give you guys credit, it starts with Nigel and it starts with Brexit.

00:09:58.220 The reassertion of representative government, which the left derisively calls populism, which is quite ironic because what does populism mean?

00:10:08.460 it's popular with most of the people, which is kind of like a definition of democracy as far

00:10:14.480 as I'm concerned. But it is this pejorative phrase today. So in 2016, we, you know, the American

00:10:20.880 people, black, white, working class, not working class, sent a message to this city behind me, 0.98

00:10:27.740 enough, enough, enough, it stops now. So it's a very, very good point that you're making. So

00:10:34.780 really what you're saying is that the reason Trump got elected was because there was a backlash

00:10:39.400 against globalization. Yeah, so let me let me talk about personal experience. So I flew with

00:10:45.120 the president to Youngstown, Ohio on Air Force One. And Youngstown is called it's called Steel

00:10:51.240 Valley. It is one of the epicenters of the steel industry as was. We landed on a on a military base

00:10:59.960 because you know, he had the convoy and the beast and everything else he gets off the plane, we get

00:11:03.940 into the convoy. It's about a 20-minute ride to the stadium where, you know, there's going to be

00:11:08.700 a MAGA rally. This was in 2017. And it's fascinating. 20-minute drive. On the left-hand

00:11:16.040 side, all we see, one after another, are these disused steel mills, these foundries that are

00:11:22.940 decaying, empty. On the right-hand side, for 20 minutes, guys, we see kids, we see moms, we see

00:11:31.160 out-of-work dads with their little American flags waving at the president's convoy.

00:11:37.520 We get to the arena, 24,000, I mean, just packed arena, bosses in the back. I'm taking selfies

00:11:46.060 with the people who are there. And it's clear to me, 99% of the people in this building

00:11:52.540 are either former Democrats or their dads or their granddads were in the mill and they were

00:11:58.400 working class Democrats. The billionaire from Manhattan walks out on the stage. Actually,

00:12:05.200 it was the first lady and then the president. And guys, I kid you not, you can watch the footage.

00:12:11.280 Donald Trump, the billionaire from Manhattan, couldn't start his speech for minutes

00:12:18.240 because the crowd was screaming, USA, USA, drain the swamp. This is in one of the hardest

00:12:27.740 core Democrat strongholds in America. You're absolutely right. It was an up yours to the

00:12:35.500 globalists and their representatives on both sides of the political aisle who had screwed

00:12:41.560 the people who built America for decades. That's what happened in 2016.

00:12:48.660 And Seb, I know what your answer to this question is going to be. So I'm just going to preempt it

00:12:53.100 by saying I think we probably all three of us agree that if it weren't for COVID, Donald Trump

00:12:57.220 wins again in 2020. But the fact that he didn't win, the fact that this happened and Joe Biden

00:13:04.860 is now president, what does that mean for populism? Because I think the underlying sentiment,

00:13:11.400 some of the boil was lanced somewhat, the pass has run somewhat. Do you think now people will

00:13:19.640 sort of, you know, I'll be honest with you, I don't miss Donald Trump. I don't miss the rhetoric.

00:13:24.600 I don't miss the constant outrage all the time about him.

00:13:28.700 Do you think a lot of people will be like, OK, look, the elite got the shot across the bowels. 0.96

00:13:33.180 They're going to stop, as we say in England, taking the piss. 0.95

00:13:36.480 And, you know, we move on.

00:13:38.320 Hopefully someone comes in who's, you know, going to adopt some of Donald Trump's policies

00:13:42.740 that were popular with the very people you're talking about.

00:13:45.020 But he'll be less obnoxious to the public, you know, different in terms of his behaviour.

00:13:50.560 Maybe like a Dan Crenshaw or someone of that sort of ilk.

00:13:54.040 Is that the way it's going to go?

00:13:55.660 Or do you think that boil never got properly lanced

00:13:58.620 and it's just going to keep growing and then get lanced again?

00:14:02.000 So here are the most important data points in the last four months

00:14:05.620 or since the election in the last seven months.

00:14:09.540 30% of Democrats, guys, 30% of the people who voted for Biden

00:14:14.280 believe the election was fraudulent.

00:14:18.660 That's a problem.

00:14:19.680 I believe maybe 60 to 70 percent of Trump voters think it was stolen. So whether or not populism survives is one question. The other question is, does the majority of this nation's population actually believe in the fundamental sacred right that we have to choose our own political leaders, whichever party they come from?

00:14:46.980 We have a sucking chest wound. We have a lethal wound at the heart of our political structures that has to be fixed first before we can even get to the other questions of leading style and policies.

00:15:01.580 Secondly, if you look at the interests of the globalists, they are more powerful than they have ever been.

00:15:09.360 They're pushing the envelope to such extremes, especially with critical race theory, that there's already a backlash.

00:15:15.700 Ash. But what we've witnessed, think about this. In the first month, Biden wrote more than 100

00:15:21.720 executive orders. This is these are things that don't go through the Senate. They're just, you

00:15:26.940 know, decrees coming out of the White House. This is from a man who seven months prior during the

00:15:32.480 debate said only dictators ruled by executive order. That's what he said. And that's what he's

00:15:39.800 doing. How have the globalists fared since January the 20th and the inauguration? Bloody well. I mean,

00:15:47.400 really well. The XL Keystone Pipeline, I'm getting into specifics here, but there was a pipeline that

00:15:52.400 we built with Canada that was crucial to jobs in America. On the first day in office, he killed it.

00:15:59.320 Donald Trump had made it possible. Biden killed it. On that one day, one day, 11,000 Americans 0.96

00:16:06.640 lost their jobs and and senator kerry who's now the climate czar for biden this arrogant shit who 0.99

00:16:14.460 who who globetrotts in his private jet married into the heinz family has gone on record to say 0.97

00:16:20.860 yeah well uh those oil rig workers they can get jobs in the solar industry i mean just classic 0.58

00:16:30.700 arrogant, elitist. Yeah, I'm going to up sticks from Texas and move to Massachusetts with my

00:16:37.760 family and my six kids. And not only that, when you talk to the Canadians, Lord Conrad Black,

00:16:44.320 regular guest on my show, he says both sides of the political spectrum in Canada are apoplectic

00:16:50.340 because it may be 11,000 jobs in America. In Canada, it was 36,000 jobs that were killed

00:16:57.880 with that one executive order. So whether it's Kautang to China, whether it's allowing Russia to

00:17:04.500 have its Nord Stream pipeline with Germany, whether it's bending over backwards to big tech,

00:17:12.140 globalism is stronger than it ever was. And I wrote a piece I sent you guys, and I know you

00:17:17.120 don't want to talk about Trump exclusively, and I get it. But I pray that he comes back in 2024

00:17:24.020 for one reason. We have some serious shit to fix in D.C. I mean, we have some real that I didn't 0.99

00:17:31.320 use the phrase deep state when I joined the administration. I thought it was tinfoil hat

00:17:35.780 kind of conspiracy theory. And then I saw it. Then I saw what they did to General Flynn. Then

00:17:40.900 I saw what they did to Roger Stone and others. It's real. We have people who are seditious,

00:17:46.920 unelected subversives who are very powerful bureaucrats and who believe that their writ 0.77

00:17:53.500 outweighs the writ of the electorate who chooses the president. So I want to see, in your words,

00:17:59.980 Constantine, I want to see that berserker back in the office. And I want to see a flamethrower 0.88

00:18:06.940 applied to these people who think they're better than their fellow American so that we can actually

00:18:13.000 get them out of these bureaucratic strongholds. And I don't care about the tweets. God bless him

00:18:19.100 in his tweets. I think he prevented World War Three in North Korea with his tweets about Lil

00:18:24.220 Kim. We need a man. The delightful thing. Look, I went to a public school in West London. I spent

00:18:30.680 13 years in a Benedictine, you know, school, stiff upper lip, debating society, all that jazz.

00:18:37.300 You think it wasn't hard for me to get used to this guy? Because what you see is what you get.

00:18:42.360 He is a kid from Queens. He's not Georgetown. He's not Manhattan. He is a kid from Queens.

00:18:48.540 It took me some getting used to. But the greatest thing about Donald Trump in an era of rising,

00:18:54.300 unaccountable globalist bureaucracies is there are no sacred cows for this man.

00:19:00.480 He comes in. If he sees something that's wrong, whether it's our relations with Israel,

00:19:05.500 whether it's the working class being screwed, he goes about his darndest to fix it.

00:19:11.180 So we need four more years of the berserker in the in the White House, because otherwise you're seeing it already.

00:19:17.620 You're seeing, you know, all these swamp creature Republicans, 10 senators and then 23 congressmen who voted to impeach their own leader. 0.63

00:19:28.680 They see Donald Trump as an anomaly. And as soon as he's gone, we can get back to business and we can scratch the Democrats backs and they'll scratch ours.

00:19:37.780 i don't want that i want representative government for as many of the people who live here 0.99

00:19:44.200 irrespective of their class or their skin color and and the stunning thing about donald trump

00:19:49.380 is he wanted only two things and you don't have to take my word for it but but guys but if you're

00:19:55.020 watching read my books i'll give you my testimony he wanted two things for everybody in america if

00:20:00.860 you're here legally he wants you to be safe and he wants you to prosper and the remarkable thing is

00:20:07.180 he wanted that for you, whether or not you voted for him. That is not the attitude of the Democrats

00:20:15.320 who right now, and I'd love to talk about this, are criminalizing conservatives. How do I know

00:20:22.120 that? January the 6th, we had people trespass on Congress. They didn't kill anybody. They didn't

00:20:28.120 shoot anybody. There are people on trespass charges who have been sitting in federal jails

00:20:34.600 just behind me in solitary since January that happens in a police state and nobody from BLM

00:20:43.360 or Antifa has been sitting in solitary for five months that's what really keeps me awake at night

00:20:50.140 so sorry but this you know with my background this stuff really gets to me right but you say

00:20:57.020 that said but surely you know what they did was incredibly serious incredibly they need to pay

00:21:03.460 the price. Don't get me wrong. If you went in there, if you nicked, you know, Nancy Pelosi's

00:21:08.640 laptop, if you broke up somebody's office, get charged in front of a jury of your peers and pay

00:21:16.060 the penalty. But but hang on a second. When Kamala Harris is raising bail money for Antifa activists

00:21:24.540 to get let out of prison, but somebody who trespassed and broke a window is in solitary

00:21:31.260 confinement for five months, that's not equality before the law. That is the use of the police

00:21:39.600 as a police state for political purposes. They need to be punished, but they don't need to be

00:21:45.820 punished for political reasons. Well, look, there's an argument to be had there,

00:21:52.060 because what they did was also a political act, because it was an attempt to stop a vote from

00:21:56.940 happening uh in in in congress right so right right but we but we don't have a system that is

00:22:03.360 meant to do political policing it's a criminal charge look the blm and t for double standard

00:22:11.200 is is very is something you and i and all three of us probably agree on so we don't need to get

00:22:16.460 into that and if people are sitting in solitary which i actually didn't know for all this time

00:22:20.620 that sounds wrong to me on on the surface but look i i take it if you don't mind me saying by

00:22:26.200 the way, you avoided my question about populism, that you do think it's run out of steam.

00:22:32.460 I don't think it's run out of steam. I think there are forces, there are retrenchment of forces

00:22:41.020 that want to undermine populism. And I think there's a lot of people, and I see this, you know,

00:22:47.020 the callers to my show and what have you, who say, that's it. They stole it. I'm never voting again.

00:22:53.520 that that's a really disturbing attitude and i tell them really you've given up on america

00:22:59.900 what what would the founding fathers say who took on the british empire that's that's a very

00:23:05.120 un-american attitude i think populism the the rejection of globalism is alive it's like i think

00:23:12.280 you were talking to somebody one of your guests it's you know once you voted brexit once you voted

00:23:18.260 anti-establishment i think maybe you made this point or maybe francis once you've gone

00:23:23.440 and the establishment once, you're not going to go back. Right. Well, once you've said up yours

00:23:28.880 to the establishment, even if you're a Labour voter all your life, once you vote against Labour

00:23:34.500 because you see them as the establishment now, you're not going to suddenly bounce back. So I

00:23:40.480 think that the populist sentiment is out there amongst the 74, 75 million people that voted for

00:23:48.160 Donald Trump. But there are these very, very powerful forces of the rhinos, the Republicans

00:23:55.020 in name only, the establishment politicians who say, ah, flash in the pan. He's an irrelevance.

00:24:02.260 Let's get back to the old way of doing business. So I am worried for populism. And I don't see

00:24:08.020 outside of maybe the governor of Florida, I don't see a lot of people who have that,

00:24:13.120 you know, balls to the wall, you know, bulldog spirit and want to fight, fight the globalists.

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00:25:29.360 We're talking about Trump and the role of the president.

00:25:33.160 Isn't one of the subjects that we're not really addressing

00:25:36.220 is the power of the corporations,

00:25:37.700 who, dare I say it, are probably more powerful

00:25:40.020 than the president himself?

00:25:42.740 Absolutely.

00:25:44.260 I mean, think about this.

00:25:46.080 I mean, the corporations and social media,

00:25:48.920 why was he so detested?

00:25:50.960 And it's just very simple mathematics.

00:25:54.140 Donald Trump was utterly detested by every element of the elite

00:25:57.900 because nobody owned him. He'd never, you know, been funded and never had donors from big pharma,

00:26:05.340 from big tech. He wasn't in the pocket of the unions. Everybody hated him. That's why he could

00:26:11.100 come out as a Republican president, constantly hammering big pharma, saying, well, how much is

00:26:18.040 insulin? How much are you charging Americans for insulin? That's a bloody crime. And he went to war

00:26:23.860 with pharma. That's not a popular thing to do as a politician. So, you know, corporations,

00:26:29.420 of course, hate populism because they're not national entities. IBM isn't a national entity.

00:26:36.340 Nike with its sweatshops in Xinjiang, China, with its slave labor, you know, trainer makers, 1.00

00:26:43.040 they're not an American company anymore. So you're absolutely right. But even more dangerous 0.60

00:26:47.380 is Silicon Valley and Palo Alto. Your viewers may not be familiar, but think of this one thing.

00:26:55.680 Mark Zuckerberg, the founder, the CEO of Facebook, through his NGO, dropped $400 million in the last

00:27:04.460 election, not as campaign contributions to candidates, but to local governments to help

00:27:11.480 control how the elections are actually run, to quote unquote, train election officials.

00:27:19.840 And for example, once the governor's changed the laws unilaterally, to put ballot drop boxes where

00:27:26.800 in Democrat stronghold districts, almost half a billion dollars of private money into the actual

00:27:35.900 running of elections. That should be a crime. I don't care who you're voting for. 0.93

00:27:41.480 But when Facebook and when when when Twitter, the oldest newspaper in America is the New York Post.

00:27:47.980 OK, it was it was it was founded by one of the founding fathers when the New York Post gets the access to Hunter Biden's laptop, which is his laptop, because when your lawyers demand to get it back from the repair shop owner, that means it's Hunter Biden's laptop.

00:28:04.560 When the story of the the emails with Russia, the Burisma no show job for eighty three thousand dollars a month, the fact that his company was in bed with the chief spy of communist China and we have Hunter Biden's voicemail where he admits it on the laptop.

00:28:19.680 When that story blew in the New York Post before the election and Jack Dorsey made it impossible to post it on Twitter, if you posted it, it was deleted.

00:28:31.100 The New York Times own post of the story was memory hold like Orwell.

00:28:37.800 Then then I don't know which is worse, big corporations or Twitter and Facebook.

00:28:43.020 This is very, very disturbing.

00:28:45.260 And, of course, none of these people believe in America first or American jobs or the working class.

00:28:51.500 They hate the working class. 0.99

00:28:53.540 Which then goes back to my point, is then how do you stand up to these people when they've got such money, such power?

00:29:00.720 Doesn't that therefore mean that they can't be controlled? It's too late.

00:29:05.700 Look, I'm an American now by choice.

00:29:10.000 And even before that, it was part of my character.

00:29:12.680 but I do believe it's a fundamental characteristic of most Americans. We're optimists by dint of how

00:29:19.580 we were created. I mean, remember, in 1776, the British colonists, only two and a half percent

00:29:26.340 of whom actually fought the British, it wasn't the colonists, it was less than three percent

00:29:30.700 actually fought the Redcoats. They took on the biggest empire the world had ever seen. I mean, 0.98

00:29:35.220 the Persians were pikers, the Roman Empire were amateurs by comparison to the British Empire, 0.99

00:29:39.920 on which the sun truly never set. So the idea that a bunch of ragtag crazies could defeat the 0.99

00:29:46.800 British Empire is kind of in the gene code of Americans. We don't know the word surrender. So

00:29:52.800 the idea that we're just going to say, OK, that's it. We're just heading on the slow road to

00:29:57.780 Venezuela. I don't think that's what most Americans are in for. And what the beauty of our system is

00:30:05.100 the electoral college that we have this. It's not 50 percent plus one. It is a weighted system where

00:30:11.540 the smallest state like Rhode Island has almost as much power as Texas, that the electoral 0.73

00:30:18.260 college system for choosing the president isn't just, you know, the majority can dictate and then

00:30:24.520 the minority can go to hell. So we have certain safeties. I have issues with the states of the 1.00

00:30:30.700 Supreme Court, the role of judges today who are either activists or cowards. But when it comes to

00:30:36.360 corporations, I'm not prepared to say, OK, that's it. It's over. I'm just not prepared to say that.

00:30:43.500 And I truly believe when you get out of places like D.C., when you get out of L.A., New York,

00:30:48.580 Boston, the majority of Americans are not defeatist and they will stand up. Remember,

00:30:57.180 it's 74 million people. Biden may or may not have won, quote unquote, but Donald Trump received more

00:31:04.140 votes than any incumbent president in the history of America. Now, that's something to be reckoned

00:31:09.760 with. I'm talking to a lot of people, people with big pockets. If somebody was smart enough to

00:31:15.100 create one platform that was a Twitter, a Facebook, an email service, a news aggregator like Drudge

00:31:21.720 before Drudge went insane, that actually catered to people who believed in America, that believed

00:31:27.400 that nation states and the Westphalian system are good. You maybe actually have an audience,

00:31:32.500 potential audience of 74 million buyers. That is real power. You've just got to invest,

00:31:39.280 you've got to build it. And you know why I'm optimistic? And this isn't a cop out. I truly

00:31:43.080 believe this. Every day, you guys may not see this, but every day I come into the studio and

00:31:49.940 there's another viral video of some mom in New York, some teacher in Virginia standing up at a

00:31:57.080 local school board and saying, this bigotry, this critical race theory, this veiled Marxism,

00:32:02.980 we're not going to let you indoctrinate our kids every day. There's a new one today. So that gives

00:32:08.660 me hope, guys. Well, Seb, you mentioned critical race theory, and this is something that conservatives

00:32:14.000 like you talk about a lot at the moment. It's also something that concerns me, or at least

00:32:19.920 I don't claim to really know exactly the nuances of critical race theory. I just think

00:32:24.820 teaching people that some races are better than others is probably not a good idea because like 1.00

00:32:29.780 you, I've read a little bit of history. But tell me, what is critical race theory before we get

00:32:35.560 into talking about it? All right. Well, the formal answer is it's a way of looking at justice in the

00:32:44.420 world that was named by derrick bell it's interesting when when we won the cold war

00:32:51.560 in 1989 when the west won and the you know the east germans took down the berlin wall

00:32:57.500 the very same year there was a conference where derrick bell a radical law professor from harvard

00:33:04.100 coined the term critical race theory but it's built upon a much much longer progression uh that

00:33:10.440 is basically the inculcation of Marxist thought into academia in general. So let's just, I mean,

00:33:18.400 your viewers may know this, but let's unpack it for a second. Communism was meant to create

00:33:24.080 revolutions around the world because there's an inherent tension in all societies of the oppressed

00:33:31.020 and the oppressor, the working class and the capitalist. Marx stole from Hegel and he took

00:33:36.880 his version of the dialectic and said there's there's this material version of the dialectic

00:33:41.800 and sooner or later the tension between the oppressed and the oppressor is going to explode

00:33:46.220 in a revolution and that's when we get justice in a classless society well the sad thing is for the 0.95

00:33:53.220 communists it was a failure it was garbage it was false science the only place where it could work 0.83

00:33:58.080 were backward feudal states like tsarist russia or or china in 1948 after the kuoming tang where 0.97

00:34:05.600 you didn't have a strong middle class that was robust and had Judeo-Christian values and said,

00:34:10.780 this philosophy is crackers, I'm not going to subscribe to it. In robust Western societies

00:34:18.460 with a strong middle class and Christian or Judeo-Christian values, they needed a new angle

00:34:24.840 of attack. And this is where the new left and the neo-Marxism comes in, built upon Antonio Gramsci's

00:34:30.780 concepts. This crippled Italian communist in one of Mussolini's prison cells writes his political

00:34:37.160 work saying, in a developed society, you can't have a revolution of the working class. The middle 0.80

00:34:43.640 class is too robust. So you can't go frontally against them. You've got to undermine them from

00:34:49.140 the inside. And it's the long march through the institutions. This is where the Frankfurt School

00:34:53.460 Adorno, Marcuse, and so forth come, where they say, you've got to capture the culture. How do

00:34:59.100 you capture the culture. You've got to take the class-based tension and you flip it and you say,

00:35:07.260 what are the other ways we can engender tension in a robust society with middle class? If it's 0.98

00:35:14.500 not going to be class, it's going to be sexual identity. It's going to be race. And this is

00:35:21.860 where critical race theory comes in. Critical race theory says that oppression is endemic

00:35:26.980 in Western civilization. Even if they don't know it, white men, especially white heterosexual men

00:35:35.140 are inherently oppressive. And there has to be a forced redress. This is not equality, 0.99

00:35:44.120 but equity. The system has to push down the oppressor constantly so that the minorities

00:35:51.840 can find their just place. That's really, you know, the concept of critical race theory that

00:35:58.320 that's I mean, it is the antithesis of Martin Luther King. It's saying skin color is actually 0.90

00:36:04.480 connected to attributes that you cannot ever get rid of. And especially the white world is guilty. 0.67

00:36:13.940 That's critical race theory. And it's now very it's pervasive through US schools,

00:36:17.860 and it's being injected into the U.S. military by the new administration.

00:36:23.160 And Seb, you know, we're talking about critical race theory

00:36:25.680 and you say it's being injected into schools,

00:36:27.460 but as a theory, surely it should be allowed to be taught in colleges as a theory.

00:36:33.020 Like you would study a range of other theories.

00:36:35.120 But we're not talking about college.

00:36:38.480 We're talking about pre-K.

00:36:40.100 We're talking about kindergarten.

00:36:41.620 I mean, this is the shocking story.

00:36:43.420 And it's not taught as a theory amongst other theories.

00:36:47.860 It is taught as the worldview.

00:36:51.320 So there are stories of kids in very, very well-to-do posh families in Manhattan, where

00:36:57.600 this stuff is out of control in the private schools.

00:36:59.880 I mean, really, really sad stories of these kids coming home and saying to their mom,

00:37:06.020 Mommy, am I a racist because I'm white?

00:37:10.220 That's not the teaching of a theory.

00:37:14.220 That is indoctrination.

00:37:16.120 When you have people being shamed in front of their class, having to stand up because you're white and apologize for slavery in 2021, that's not teaching the difference between neoliberal, neoclassicist theories of international relations.

00:37:35.500 That is Orwellian North Korean indoctrination. This is the self-criticism of the Maoists that

00:37:43.320 we saw with the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, where you have to publicly

00:37:48.600 shame yourself in front of others because of your skin color. So teaching as a theory,

00:37:54.520 yeah, that would be not an issue. But when a six-year-old is being told,

00:37:59.620 you need to apologize because you're white that's indoctrination it is look all of that 0.95

00:38:08.500 is abhorrent to me um but does it would you not say that obviously look everything you've said

00:38:15.740 about the history of this i completely agree with the the the they kind of understood at one point

00:38:21.820 that you can't get the working class to rise up if they think that someday they'll be wealthy too

00:38:26.720 which is the essence of the American dream, right?

00:38:29.800 You can't get them to eat the rich

00:38:31.520 if they all think that someday they may well be rich

00:38:33.840 because they live in a society where that's possible.

00:38:36.760 But do you not also think that whether we can disagree about

00:38:42.340 or agree, frankly, whether critical race theory makes sense

00:38:45.760 or not, whether it's accurate,

00:38:47.220 the desire for some kind of what you described as equity

00:38:52.260 where you press down on one group to elevate another

00:38:55.400 comes from the fact that the Western world is unequal

00:39:01.700 and there is racial inequality that is baked into the cake of the story of our countries.

00:39:08.580 And we see it in this country where communities from certain parts of the world struggle.

00:39:14.020 Now, I'm not saying, by the way, that's to do with skin colour.

00:39:16.460 There are different things going on and we've talked about them on our show, as you know.

00:39:20.680 but the fact is that an unequal society which which claims to be just and fair uh isn't that

00:39:29.080 and so the desire to equalize is sort of coming from a good place even though i agree with you

00:39:34.340 i don't think the outcomes are going to be anything like what these people are suggesting

00:39:37.980 okay i don't know if you're being a devil's advocate i'm kind of shocked given given your

00:39:43.940 family background that you've even raised that i mean look you've had jay to the b to the ever

00:39:49.240 loving P on your show. And, you know, if he's not the most eloquent person on this issue,

00:39:57.180 OK, there is no utopia on Earth. I get it. Fine. But who's going to decide who gets the biggest

00:40:04.560 slice of the pie and who's going to decide, well, well, now it's OK. Now blacks are all right or 1.00

00:40:11.180 yellow or whatever. I have got enough. Who's going to decide that? And me. So my background,

00:40:17.380 I'm a mutt from Central Europe. OK, my name is Polish. My parents were Hungarian. My mom's got

00:40:23.420 a little bit of Turkish in her. There's a little bit of Jewish somewhere, possibly. I was born in

00:40:28.980 the UK and I'm an immigrant to the United States, but I'm white. So do I have to be punished?

00:40:38.340 Does some of my income have to go to a black person who was born here whose parents were

00:40:44.780 were Jamaican and were never slaves. You see that, you know, the absurdity, this becomes a

00:40:51.760 Monty Python skid after a while. It's the equality of outcomes versus the equality of opportunity.

00:41:00.140 And look, I go back to growing up in West London. I grew up in Ealing. Ealing back in the 70s was

00:41:06.660 one of the most diverse parts of London because, you know, after World War II, members of the Free

00:41:11.860 Polish army were given housing there. I went to school with my mates were, you know, my best mate

00:41:17.000 was a Pakistani. The other guy was Polish, German. There was only one kid out of 600, one kid who

00:41:23.540 could prove he was actually English, English going back a few generations. And the school bus driver

00:41:29.780 on the number 65 bus was a Jamaican with a thick Jamaican accent. We all thought all of us were

00:41:36.400 Brits. Right. And I think that's the way it should be. The idea that I or my dad, a refugee from

00:41:42.260 Hungary, should be punished in favor of the black bus driver's future. That's that's insanity. And 1.00

00:41:50.220 at the end of the day, let me be clear. Have you guys been to America? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. OK.

00:41:56.500 I've lived in England. I've lived for 15 years in a post-communist country after the war fell.

00:42:02.540 I worked for the first freely elected conservative government in Hungary.

00:42:06.760 I've traveled the world from Japan to Africa, you name it.

00:42:11.680 And I can tell you right now, hand on heart, hand on the good book.

00:42:14.960 There is no nation less racist than America. 0.73

00:42:21.080 The idea that a black kid from a single mother household could become the president of the United States is all the proof you need. 0.99

00:42:32.300 If you work your ass off, you will be successful in this country. You may not be a neuroscientist 0.98

00:42:38.660 like Ben Carson, a black member of the Trump administration, who was the first

00:42:44.580 neuro brain surgeon to separate conjoined twins in America, who likewise grew up in a single

00:42:51.020 mother household where his mother couldn't read, but he ends up in the cabinet of the president.

00:42:57.480 You know, think of this. I'm a flipping immigrant. I only became an immigrant in 2012. And five years later, I'm walking around the White House as deputy assistant to the president. It still blows my mind. If I hadn't gone to Harrow or Eton, I wouldn't be doing that in the UK in 10 Downing Street. I know that. I know if you've got the wrong name, if your name is Mohammed and you apply for a white collar job in Marseille, you are screwed in France.

00:43:24.760 I've seen real racism in the countries I've lived in. So the idea that we have a problem, 0.98

00:43:30.800 we are, you know, this is the only nation that went to war with itself to end bigotry.

00:43:38.580 More people died in the civil war in America than in all the other wars combined. You combine the

00:43:46.260 deaths from World War I, World War II in Vietnam, it doesn't come close. 600,000 Americans died to

00:43:53.740 end slavery in the Civil War. And some shit at the New York Times is going to lecture me on my 0.99

00:44:00.020 whiteness being a guilt I have to pay off to somebody whose melanin level in their skin is a 1.00

00:44:05.780 little bit darker than mine. That way lies tyranny. Because who's going to decide who gets what? It's

00:44:13.140 the ultimate question of communism. Who gets to decide and who gets to decide, okay, now you've

00:44:17.940 had enough reparations and we can all live happily. I saw it myself. I went to Harvard in the 90s

00:44:24.020 and I saw these kids who came on affirmative action to Harvard. They couldn't cut it. 0.98

00:44:31.040 They felt awkward and they created tension with the people who were maybe Asian, who'd worked

00:44:37.240 their tails off to get into Harvard and saw this person walking on a ticket because he's the right

00:44:42.920 skin color. That way you actually engender racial tension. You don't solve anything. So no, I agree 1.00

00:44:50.980 with, you know, Jordan Peterson and everybody else who's looked at this for decades. It's equality

00:44:57.200 of opportunity and it cannot be equality of outcome because who's going to enforce that?

00:45:07.460 And I agree with you, Seb, that it does need to be equality of opportunity.

00:45:11.200 but the problem is when you have a society like america there isn't equality of opportunity is

00:45:18.060 there i mean let's be fair why not if obama can make it to president if ben carson can make it

00:45:24.840 into the cabinet as black kids from single parent households where where where is the systemic

00:45:31.620 lack of opportunity well for example if someone grows up incredibly poor in a deprived neighborhood

00:45:40.900 with high crime rates that it's going to be far more difficult for them especially if they go to

00:45:45.960 a school that is failing that has got literacy rates through the floor numeracy rates through

00:45:50.780 the floor it's look as a former teacher it that kid has got it far tougher than somebody else

00:45:57.540 who goes to a very prestigious private school in manhattan and gets you know and and you know

00:46:03.760 it's very easy for them not very easy much easier for them right and and and what has happened in

00:46:09.440 the last 60 years since the Great Society, what was created, we've sunk literally trillions of

00:46:16.780 dollars into those inner cities, into those ghettos. With what effect? The average poverty

00:46:23.200 rate in America is exactly the same as it was under LBJ, exactly the same, despite the trillions

00:46:29.680 of dollars sunken into them. Why? Because a culture of dependency was created. And the teachers union 0.93

00:46:35.920 said, what do you mean you want to have a voucher system where a black mother can choose where their 1.00

00:46:41.980 kid goes to school? We don't want voucher systems. We want state schools based upon the union

00:46:47.300 precincts. And you go to the flipping school that's in your district. What we've created is 0.99

00:46:52.260 what is the answer to these things? Well, sir, let me interrupt you there

00:46:56.640 very respectfully, because all of the failures of the left we've covered, as you well know,

00:47:01.380 on our show quite thoroughly but but here's what i'm asking you and i think this is actually an

00:47:05.940 opportunity uh for your side of the conversation to come up with some answers what is your offering

00:47:13.440 what is your solution to some of those problems when francis talks about and you you know this

00:47:18.640 full well that in certain neighborhoods in america kids can't read at the age of 15 and they can't

00:47:24.640 write and they they don't have certain role models they don't have access to opportunities and by the

00:47:29.860 time they're 18, there's no way they're getting the job because they've got a criminal record and

00:47:34.260 they've got no understanding of how to conduct themselves and whatever. So what is the conservative

00:47:38.960 answer to that lack of equality of opportunity that we all so much believe in? I can't do it

00:47:45.020 better than my Salem radio colleague, Larry Elder. It's, you know, the success in life,

00:47:51.560 whatever your skincare is, very simple. Finish school and get married and don't have kids before

00:48:01.200 you're married. If we I mean, the fact that 70% of black children are born to fatherless homes,

00:48:08.860 that's the problem, not how much money is spent in inner city Chicago. The problem is the role

00:48:15.380 of faith, of tradition, of family values, Larry's absolutely right. You've got to break the unions.

00:48:25.160 You've got to give parents the power to choose where their kids go to school. Schools have got

00:48:30.280 to be competitive. And we've got to have this disincentivization of people to be unmarried and

00:48:37.540 have kids. If you're in the city of Chicago, you're going to get more money from the state

00:48:42.100 if you're not married and have kids from five different guys.

00:48:46.580 How is that good for the children that you're having?

00:48:49.520 It's not.

00:48:50.280 God knows I agree with you.

00:48:51.480 And since you bring up Larry Elder,

00:48:52.880 the one thing that I think makes him an outlier in this conversation

00:48:55.960 and an issue that we agree with him very strongly on is the war on drugs.

00:49:00.460 I think that's been a huge contributor to this conversation.

00:49:03.120 And I'm sorry to see that not many conservatives want to talk about it.

00:49:07.740 What is your take on that side of it?

00:49:10.520 You're not going to like it.

00:49:11.740 You know, I'm a complete purist on this stuff. I've seen enough. I've seen relatives who may have just done, you know, soft drugs, who've thrown away their lives. I'm not a big I think I think the the the the criminalization of the user is not the way to go.

00:49:32.420 I think we have to try and get people off drugs as much as we can. But I think I'm not a libertarian. I think libertarians, it's one of the dumbest philosophies out there, because it doesn't factor in secondary and tertiary consequences of the libertine lifestyle.

00:49:51.320 well, you've got to have, you know, it's the broken window policy for me, right? You know, 0.98

00:49:57.000 a little infraction eventually leads to a large infraction. And at the end of the day, I'm a

00:50:02.980 purist when it comes to drugs, although I do think the way we have spent money on the war of drugs

00:50:08.040 is absolutely insane. People should be helped. But if you're a dealer who's destroying lives,

00:50:14.740 you should be banged up for life as far as I'm concerned.

00:50:18.020 Well, see, Seb, this is where I,

00:50:19.820 the reason I really admire elements of thinking on the right,

00:50:22.980 and this is why I talk about me being a centrist,

00:50:25.040 because I really am interested in a lot of thoughts on the left and the right,

00:50:29.820 because I think both have some good ideas.

00:50:31.960 The one thing that I always admire about the right is the pragmatism.

00:50:35.020 It's not ideology first, as it often is on the left.

00:50:38.960 It's what works.

00:50:40.480 And we know this thing, the war on drugs, does not work, right?

00:50:44.460 And that's what I – and my argument for ending the war on drugs is nothing to do with libertarianism, which is not an ideology I particularly share.

00:50:51.800 It's to do with the fact that I don't think it's working and I think you need to do something else.

00:50:56.920 And so my approach isn't to just say, you know, take heroin, whatever.

00:51:01.640 It's to get people the help they need to not be addicts, but also to allow responsible adults to put in their body, frankly, what they choose to if they're being responsible about it and they don't need the help.

00:51:12.420 My, you know, it's not something I've spent a lot of time looking at. I've never taken any drugs in my life. So it's not something that I've seen others and it's been horrifying, you know, what's happened to them. But I think the answer is it cannot be solved by government, right? That's the bottom line.

00:51:31.220 It's got to be solved by private initiative, by people, organizations, churches, social workers helping, but not government.

00:51:41.840 And if it's the it's if it's a dealer, if it's hard drugs, that remains a crime.

00:51:46.460 But the end user, no, those people need to be helped to create a to become functioning individuals.

00:51:54.360 It's like it's like mental health.

00:51:55.920 If you guys haven't been to America recently, D.C. is now a tent city of homeless people.

00:52:01.880 Ninety percent of them have mental issues in Los Angeles, in San Francisco.

00:52:08.360 This is a massive problem. Why? Because we have said in those municipalities that civil rights trounce everything else. 0.92

00:52:17.920 Unless they're actively killing people or hurting themselves, you can't give them any assistance.

00:52:23.520 so people spend decades on the street mumbling to themselves i don't think that's good for them

00:52:29.400 i think it's actually inhuman and we need to help them but not governments we have to allow

00:52:36.360 private organizations to help them but we don't because we say hey civil rights let them inject 0.97

00:52:43.260 whatever they want let them have a shit on the sidewalk that's freedom i i don't think it's good 0.96

00:52:48.800 for them and I don't think it's good for society. Yeah, it's a very good point, Seb. One thing that 0.99

00:52:54.420 I wanted to move the conversation on before the interview ended, I go, what is the future of the

00:52:58.880 Republican Party and what is the future of conservatism? Because we saw with Trump, he moved

00:53:05.840 the conversation in one particular direction. He changed the Republican Party forever. What do you

00:53:12.240 think is going to be the future of republicanism and conservatism in general? I don't think these

00:53:17.580 words function anymore. I think the taxonomy of conservative Republican, Labor Democrat, I think

00:53:23.900 these labels are bust, that they're broken. As I said in an event last night, you know, Donald Trump

00:53:29.360 in 2016, he took the political rule book, he ripped it up, shredded it, lit it alight, buried it and

00:53:35.740 jumped up and down on it. So the political landscape, especially after Brexit, after Modi, after, you

00:53:41.960 Donald Trump is completely different. It is a race between two forms of populism. It is the

00:53:49.560 populism of those who believe in their countries, whether it's the UK, whether it's India, whether

00:53:55.160 it's America. And it is a populism based upon global elites where Bernie Sanders and AOC says,

00:54:03.640 we've got to save the planet. We've got to take control of information supplies. Social media has

00:54:11.700 to ban certain kinds of people, certain kinds of comedians can't tell certain kinds of jokes,

00:54:16.840 because we are in a global fight for social justice. That's how I see, you know, the future

00:54:23.580 of politics. It's going to be new labels, new actors. And I think the biggest change is,

00:54:29.000 and I see this coming up in the next election, I think successful national politicians,

00:54:35.480 especially in America, will not come from the political establishment. It's going to have to

00:54:40.680 be outsiders. I'm not talking about Oprah, but I'm talking about, you know, it's got to be

00:54:44.740 celebrities who are untainted by having been politicians who can actually ride that wave of

00:54:52.880 populism, whether it's coming from a traditional right or a traditional left. I think that's the

00:54:58.020 biggest impact on politics writ large. Who's going to be the 2024 Republican nominee? Donald Trump.

00:55:05.220 you don't think he's gonna how will he be then 82 said he just turned 75 last week

00:55:12.720 okay okay so not not as old as you thought that's interesting yeah i saw him last week i went to new

00:55:19.400 york um before i met before i saw him i i publicly said i give it 90 95 chance that he's running

00:55:27.020 after i saw him i'm going to give it a 98 chance that he's running um if he runs he gets the

00:55:33.300 nomination. And if the disastrous policies of the last four months continue for the next three

00:55:38.580 years, he's going to stroll back into the White House if we can have some transparency on the

00:55:45.160 way we run elections in America. And you don't think that the events of what happened on that

00:55:50.480 day in January have tainted his legacy at all? No, I think they could have if Nancy Pelosi

00:55:59.720 hadn't tried to impeach him a second time after he left office. With that incredibly stupid move, 1.00

00:56:06.680 Nancy Pelosi allowed him back into the political arena because it was clear that they were trying 1.00

00:56:11.900 to persecute a man who'd left political office. So he was in trouble before that. But when she

00:56:18.660 tried to kick him out of the White House after he left the White House, he was back in action.

00:56:24.020 And sure enough, in 12 days, he's got his first rally.

00:56:28.840 So he's going to be out doing his MAGA rallies.

00:56:31.660 So we'll do some questions for locals in a minute.

00:56:34.100 But I want to stick with the Donald Trump point for a second.

00:56:37.560 He obviously enjoys tremendous popularity with a very large section of the American public to this day.

00:56:43.360 That's very clear.

00:56:44.780 Do you think that is because people are desperate and they don't see someone who still still don't see anyone else who represents them?

00:56:52.740 Or do you think he actually delivered for them in his first term?

00:56:57.960 Well, I think, you know, if you're a policy wonk like I am, you know, you look at what he delivered from crushing ISIS, securing the wall, getting serious on Russia, biggest economy.

00:57:10.480 Wait, sorry, what do you mean about securing the wall? Did he finish the wall?

00:57:13.560 No, no. I mean, the illegal immigrants. We got illegal immigration down to a trickle, especially after COVID, even without the wall, because we had something called Title 42 that meant because of the COVID infection, if you cross the border illegally, we could deport you straight away.

00:57:30.400 So he had powers under under covid that we'd never had before, which meant we had we had a fraction of the of the illegal crossings by by October of last year.

00:57:42.140 But no, he didn't get to finish the war. So so getting a grip on illegal migration, crushing ISIS, lowest unemployment for blacks and Hispanics since since record keeping began.

00:57:52.380 And so, I mean, on a policy platform, amazing success.

00:57:56.260 But I think really why he's going to be popular again is what you said at the beginning, Constantine.

00:58:03.160 He's a berserker and people are fed up.

00:58:05.640 People just don't trust the establishment, whether they're a pipe fitter in, you know, in Long Island,

00:58:13.140 whether they're a farmer in, you know, in Texas

00:58:17.040 or whether they're a working class guy

00:58:19.980 who's kind of sick with what he's seen happen to his family

00:58:24.380 in the last 40 years.

00:58:25.900 They want berserkers to break some China 1.00

00:58:28.320 and Donald Trump is good at that.

00:58:31.640 You are right.

00:58:32.960 We will see what happens, Seb.

00:58:34.820 Seb, how about we do this deal?

00:58:36.620 If he runs again and you're in the White House,

00:58:39.400 we really appreciate coming on.

00:58:41.260 Give me an hour of your time.

00:58:42.380 I will destroy the war on drugs with facts and logic

00:58:45.140 and you can sell it to the president.

00:58:46.860 How about that?

00:58:48.320 Why don't you come on?

00:58:50.340 I will virtually shake your hand on that now,

00:58:53.820 but why don't you guys come on my radio show or TV show

00:58:56.380 and we'll start talking about it?

00:58:57.660 We'd love to, absolutely.

00:58:59.360 Listen, we've got some locals' question to ask you,

00:59:02.380 but also we've got our final question, as you know.

00:59:04.760 Which is always, what is the one thing we're not talking about

00:59:07.660 but we really should be?

00:59:09.860 Courage.

00:59:10.260 it it came to me in the last nine months of doing my show that it doesn't really matter what what

00:59:19.060 the issue is that that's dearest to your heart whether it's illegal migration freedom of speech

00:59:26.360 canceled culture here in america the second amendment or whatever it is um the only thing

00:59:33.340 we're lacking, really, in a shocking extent, is courage. And I saw this here in this country,

00:59:40.540 the willingness to genuflect at the altar of Dr. Fauci and everybody else and Neil Ferguson, 0.89

00:59:48.360 these doomsaying, you know, cretins who were unelected, when we're talking about a disease 1.00

00:59:55.800 that had a 0.4% mortality rate, in which children were practically invulnerable. And I saw it today, 0.89

01:00:02.720 I almost said something. I was walking my dog past the playground and this handsome black guy's

01:00:08.160 walking his daughter and he's got no mask, but he's got a mask on his kid. And I felt like saying,

01:00:14.360 I mean, have you looked at the statistics? Are you insane? This is child abuse. So courage, 1.00

01:00:20.440 courage, courage. It's like Solzhenitsyn said, the biggest thing you can do for the dictators

01:00:27.120 is to not cleave to the truth and to hide the truth.

01:00:32.000 Every single one of your views,

01:00:33.700 I mean, that's why you're watching this show,

01:00:35.380 but the truth is more important than ever

01:00:37.180 and every single one of you matters.

01:00:39.060 So the truth and then a little pet request

01:00:41.940 that I always tell people, guys, read books.

01:00:47.540 Nobody reads books anymore.

01:00:50.000 I love podcasts, I love social media,

01:00:52.900 but we need to get back to knowledge

01:00:55.340 that has been tested, proven true.

01:00:58.580 So get back to the old school.

01:01:00.860 As a teacher, Francis, you know this.

01:01:03.640 The value of an hour a day

01:01:05.560 of reading a book with real pages

01:01:07.840 is just gold.

01:01:11.460 Absolutely true.

01:01:13.280 Seb, thank you so much for coming on the show.

01:01:16.280 We're going to do our locals questions

01:01:17.820 just after this.

01:01:18.840 Where is the best place for people to find you

01:01:20.980 if they want to find you,

01:01:21.840 if they want to see your content?

01:01:23.020 uh go to my web page seb gorka.com that's s-e-b-g-o-r-k-a seb gorka.com but i'm on all

01:01:31.380 the platforms seb gorka on twitter sebastian underscore gorka on instagram facebook you name

01:01:37.460 it um just look up sebastian or seb gorka and you'll find me and and the tv show you can watch

01:01:43.020 for free on newsmax uh download the newsmax app and it's the gorka reality check every sunday

01:01:50.100 Seb, thanks for coming on

01:01:51.520 and thank you all for watching this fascinating conversation.

01:01:54.640 I say I've really enjoyed it,

01:01:55.960 playing a bit of devil's advocate

01:01:57.180 with someone who knows how to do that

01:01:59.400 and play along with it.

01:02:01.140 Thank you for watching.

01:02:02.300 We will see you very soon

01:02:03.760 with another brilliant episode or Raw show.

01:02:06.220 And as you can see,

01:02:06.920 some pretty serious people watch the Raw shows.

01:02:09.380 Make sure you tune in as well.

01:02:10.920 Absolutely. 0.92

01:02:11.540 And don't forget, Keto is for slags. 1.00

01:02:13.840 Thank you very much. 0.71

01:02:14.840 And goodbye, guys.

01:02:19.400 We'll be right back.

TRIGGERnometry - June 27, 2021

Is Donald Trump Making a Comeback？ - Dr Sebastian Gorka

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