TRIGGERnometry - Israel, Iran and the Middle East Proxy Wars Explained

00:00:00.760 You're the former head of British forces in Afghanistan.

00:00:04.160 You chaired COBRA.

00:00:05.340 So when you say the president of the United States

00:00:07.960 should be court-martialed,

00:00:09.680 what are you talking about and why do you say that?

00:00:12.220 His action in relation to Israel has been catastrophic.

00:00:15.760 I would say treachery.

00:00:17.520 Hamas know they can never really defeat Israel.

00:00:20.080 They may want to, but they know they can't.

00:00:22.060 They're not that strong.

00:00:23.920 And so the only way of getting rid of Israel

00:00:26.700 is to delegitimize it.

00:00:28.940 Most of the Arab countries in the region

00:00:30.940 are right behind Israel.

00:00:32.320 They want Israel to defeat Hamas.

00:00:34.320 They want Israel to defeat Hezbollah.

00:00:36.200 They want Israel to defeat Iran.

00:00:38.380 This is the first army in history that I know of

00:00:40.980 that has deliberately wanted its enemy

00:00:43.200 to kill its own civilian population.

00:00:45.040 What's your evidence for that, Colonel?

00:00:48.000 Colonel, you said something absolutely shocking recently

00:00:51.440 that caught my attention.

00:00:52.960 And a lot of people now say a lot of shocking things

00:00:56.000 on the internet,

00:00:56.620 but you're the former head of British forces in Afghanistan.

00:01:00.520 You chaired COBRA.

00:01:01.780 You were the head of the anti-terrorism team

00:01:03.560 of the British Joint Intelligence Committee.

00:01:06.000 You just spent almost the entire last 12 months

00:01:09.080 in Israel and in Gaza.

00:01:10.560 So when you say the president of the United States

00:01:13.480 should be court-martialed for his attitude to Israel,

00:01:16.720 that sort of caught my attention a little bit.

00:01:19.800 What are you talking about and why do you say that?

00:01:21.840 Well, originally, I felt that President Biden

00:01:25.040 should have been court-martialed

00:01:26.240 for the withdrawal from Afghanistan,

00:01:27.520 which was a catastrophe for, not just for the US,

00:01:32.000 not just for the Afghans, but for the whole of the world.

00:01:34.000 And I believe led directly to the conflict in Ukraine

00:01:37.460 that followed not long after.

00:01:39.080 It basically showed Putin that Biden didn't have the strength

00:01:44.660 to stand by his closest allies

00:01:47.440 and be prepared to continue the fight

00:01:50.280 that the US had been fighting for a long time.

00:01:53.100 He just wanted to get out and leave Afghanistan to itself.

00:01:58.480 And the consequences of that were to, I think, empower Putin,

00:02:03.420 told Putin that he didn't have any great risks

00:02:06.160 to take with Biden.

00:02:07.660 And the same with Xi when it comes to places like Taiwan.

00:02:10.920 So the message was all wrong.

00:02:12.660 And in relation to Israel,

00:02:14.920 Biden done some very good things for Israel.

00:02:17.320 And just this week, he's sent some US troops

00:02:21.460 manning anti-air systems to help defend Israel.

00:02:25.300 So he's done some very good things.

00:02:26.460 I think overall, his action in relation to Israel

00:02:31.540 has been catastrophic, not only in his efforts

00:02:34.980 to try and prevent Israel from winning the war.

00:02:37.840 He does not want Israel to defeat Hamas.

00:02:40.040 He does not want Israel to defeat Hezbollah.

00:02:42.840 Even though both of those two organizations

00:02:44.940 are not against Israel, they're against the West.

00:02:47.400 They're both Iranian allies.

00:02:49.380 And his attitude towards Iran as well is, I think,

00:02:52.720 not just problematic, it's disastrous.

00:02:55.380 He has done everything he can to fund by releasing frozen

00:03:00.460 assets to fund the Iranian regime and its aggression

00:03:03.400 across the region.

00:03:05.340 He's also done everything he can to try and appease

00:03:08.160 the Iranian regime to allow them to continue

00:03:11.600 with their oppression of their own people,

00:03:13.960 which is horrific, but also with their aggression

00:03:16.840 in the Middle East and against the West.

00:03:18.660 Let's not forget, Iran has attempted, a few years ago,

00:03:21.760 attempted a bomb plot here in the UK.

00:03:23.360 So I think that those measures and measures he's taken

00:03:27.140 to try and prevent Israel from defeating Iran

00:03:31.040 are basically amount to not just, I would say,

00:03:35.580 treachery against Israel, one of America's closest allies

00:03:40.260 and America's definitely closest ally in the Middle East,

00:03:43.100 but also against the United States.

00:03:45.320 And that's why it's unrealistic to say he should be court-martialed

00:03:48.340 because you can't court-martial a civilian,

00:03:49.820 but he is commander-in-chief.

00:03:51.760 Yes.

00:03:52.620 So I understood that that was the rhetoric that you were basically

00:03:55.880 saying that he's letting the team down, if you like,

00:03:58.580 and I understand what you mean.

00:04:00.180 You mentioned something there that we talked to Melanie Phillips

00:04:02.780 about very recently.

00:04:04.040 And she said, you know, Israelis want this to be the last war.

00:04:07.600 And you just talked about winning, winning against Hamas,

00:04:11.060 winning against Hezbollah.

00:04:12.420 And you're a military guy.

00:04:13.560 You know all about war.

00:04:16.460 And a lot of people, many people who are supportive of Israel now,

00:04:20.120 are looking at the situation and going,

00:04:22.000 is that a credible objective for Israel?

00:04:24.380 How can you win this war?

00:04:26.040 How can you win the war against Hamas without flattening all of Gaza?

00:04:29.800 How can you win against Hezbollah?

00:04:32.360 How can you win against Iran, a country very far away?

00:04:35.980 How is Israel going to win?

00:04:38.080 I'm very pleased you didn't say you can't defeat an idea

00:04:42.440 because that's what you hear all the time

00:04:44.600 when people are talking about Hamas.

00:04:46.600 But, you know, we defeated Nazism in the Second World War.

00:04:50.280 We defeated the Japanese imperial regime in the same time.

00:04:55.360 Those ideas, we didn't defeat their ideas.

00:04:57.720 The ideas are still there.

00:04:59.180 And it doesn't matter about the ideas.

00:05:01.080 The important thing is to defeat the capability

00:05:04.400 to actually implement those ideas.

00:05:06.580 Both Hezbollah and Hamas and Iran, all three of those,

00:05:10.180 and other Iranian proxies in the Middle East,

00:05:12.600 want the destruction of the state of Israel.

00:05:14.700 They don't just want some kind of liberation

00:05:17.640 of oppressed Palestinian people.

00:05:20.640 They want the end of the Zionist state.

00:05:24.460 And it's very clearly laid down in the Hamas charter

00:05:28.580 that they want to destroy Israel.

00:05:31.740 They want to kill Israelis,

00:05:33.560 and they want to kill Jews everywhere, it's specified.

00:05:35.560 Iran itself has said that it will annihilate the Jewish state.

00:05:40.620 Many times the leader of Iran has made this very clear.

00:05:43.060 There will be no Jewish state.

00:05:44.380 And Hezbollah, his proxy, intend to do the same thing.

00:05:48.580 That doesn't really matter if they think that,

00:05:51.040 as long as they don't have the capability to do it.

00:05:53.980 And winning in this context,

00:05:56.520 let's say in the context of Gaza and Lebanon,

00:05:59.660 winning means denying Hamas the capability

00:06:02.880 of doing what it did on the 7th of October.

00:06:05.880 And don't forget that Hamas' leaders have said repeatedly

00:06:08.620 they will do it again and again and again if they can.

00:06:11.460 So preventing that happening is victory.

00:06:14.600 It doesn't mean that every single Hamas terrorist

00:06:16.980 is killed or captured.

00:06:19.440 It means that they no longer are able to present

00:06:23.400 a credible threat to Israel.

00:06:24.580 Same with Hezbollah.

00:06:26.240 Hezbollah has had, doesn't any longer,

00:06:29.320 had something like 150,000 missiles in Lebanon

00:06:33.020 pointing at Israel provided by Iran

00:06:35.880 with weaponry from countries like Russia and China as well,

00:06:39.300 but provided by Iran

00:06:40.360 with the intention of two things.

00:06:45.640 First of all, ultimately the annihilation of the Jewish state,

00:06:48.780 but secondly to provide a deterrent

00:06:51.180 against Israel being able to attack Iran.

00:06:53.860 That's what those rockets were there for.

00:06:55.720 Israel has been phenomenally successful

00:06:57.600 against both Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon.

00:07:01.300 The war's not over.

00:07:02.340 There's a lot of fighting to be done.

00:07:04.140 Why do you say that?

00:07:04.980 Sorry to interrupt,

00:07:05.740 but looking at the scenes from Gaza,

00:07:08.700 and you've been there, so tell us,

00:07:10.240 please correct me,

00:07:10.880 I'm just putting the common layman on the street

00:07:13.300 kind of view to you.

00:07:14.400 I mean, Gaza looks like there's not a lot of it left

00:07:16.240 at this point.

00:07:17.200 When you say there's a lot of fighting left to be done,

00:07:21.180 how many Hamas fighters are there still around,

00:07:23.400 and what is their capability at this stage?

00:07:24.840 Well, they started off with an estimated 30,000 to 40,000,

00:07:28.400 and Israel believes their latest estimate

00:07:31.100 is they've killed somewhere around 20,000 of them.

00:07:34.760 So that means there may be around 10,000 plus left,

00:07:38.080 and they may have recruited some more in the meantime,

00:07:40.380 so there could be a reasonably significant number.

00:07:43.160 But what Israel's done so far

00:07:44.780 is they've taken apart Hamas' fighting organization.

00:07:48.900 They weren't some kind of insurgent guerrilla organization.

00:07:53.320 They were organized terrorist army

00:07:55.360 with battalions, brigades, companies, all of this.

00:07:58.140 Israel's taken that apart.

00:07:59.900 They've killed many of the leaders of these organizations.

00:08:02.800 There are still a lot of individual terrorists left,

00:08:05.300 or small groups,

00:08:06.120 and they're still causing big problems for Israel.

00:08:08.660 They can still fire a very limited number of rockets,

00:08:11.980 most of which can be intercepted now.

00:08:13.540 They can still carry out attacks.

00:08:15.940 They've killed Israeli soldiers in Gaza in the recent days.

00:08:18.920 So they're not gone.

00:08:20.000 They're still there.

00:08:21.640 But in order to get to this point,

00:08:23.840 and they've got to be progressively

00:08:25.640 either killed or captured or forced to leave in some way.

00:08:30.420 One of those things has got to happen,

00:08:31.880 or they've just got to get to a state of morale

00:08:35.140 where they don't want to fight anymore,

00:08:36.840 at least for the time being.

00:08:38.340 And that is all possibility.

00:08:40.160 In my view, that is possible.

00:08:42.700 Often Western people kind of tell you it's not possible,

00:08:45.940 but that's because they are defeatist.

00:08:48.340 They've been defeated effectively in Afghanistan and Iraq,

00:08:51.280 not necessarily militarily, but politically certainly.

00:08:56.300 But in order to get to that point,

00:08:57.940 you mentioned the destruction,

00:08:59.140 the widespread destruction of Gaza.

00:09:01.940 And you're absolutely right.

00:09:03.020 I've been into Gaza many times,

00:09:04.560 and it's devastating what's happened there.

00:09:06.740 Terrible.

00:09:07.320 Very few buildings left standing.

00:09:09.600 Streets been ripped up by Israeli bulldozers deliberately,

00:09:13.120 and all of this.

00:09:14.600 And the reason they've done it

00:09:15.700 is because most of Gaza was turned into an armed fortress.

00:09:19.860 We all know about the hundreds of miles of tunnels underground,

00:09:24.020 much bigger, and some would say better managed

00:09:26.280 than the London underground.

00:09:29.080 A low bar, admittedly.

00:09:31.040 Right.

00:09:31.760 But we know all about that.

00:09:34.220 What many people don't know about

00:09:36.060 is that many, many of the buildings,

00:09:38.620 whether they're schools, mosques, houses, hospitals,

00:09:42.040 were deliberately, over a long period of time,

00:09:45.560 booby-trapped by Hamas.

00:09:47.880 Many of them have tunnel entrances coming into them.

00:09:50.780 I've been into buildings, civilian buildings, houses,

00:09:53.180 where you look under a bed, there's a box of grenades.

00:09:56.200 You look at a child's bed, even, I saw.

00:09:58.180 You look in a cupboard, there's rifles.

00:10:00.300 The whole place has been turned into a fortress.

00:10:03.340 And in order to get rid of that,

00:10:06.100 they have to be blown up.

00:10:07.200 Why do they have to be blown up?

00:10:08.800 Because if Israeli soldiers enter them,

00:10:12.040 then there are booby traps there,

00:10:14.320 built into the walls in some cases.

00:10:16.040 There are cameras, hidden cameras in some cases,

00:10:18.440 which monitor movement inside the building,

00:10:21.460 and then you can remotely detonate a bomb.

00:10:23.960 So in some cases, the Israelis have been in,

00:10:27.360 and they've left buildings intact.

00:10:29.780 But in many, many cases, they can't do that.

00:10:32.380 They've got it in order to avoid

00:10:34.600 too many Israeli soldiers getting killed.

00:10:36.740 And in order to get rid of this armory of Hamas,

00:10:40.700 you've got to destroy, or at least blow up,

00:10:42.840 the buildings and the tunnel entrances beneath them.

00:10:46.160 Colonel, there's a lot of people who would say

00:10:48.300 that Israel's actions are just going to create

00:10:52.580 more radicalisation further down the line,

00:10:54.940 particularly with the,

00:10:56.040 if you look at the amount of children that are dying there,

00:10:58.420 obviously the numbers are different,

00:10:59.520 but it's still a huge amount.

00:11:00.820 Is that a fair point to make?

00:11:03.740 I think it is a fair point.

00:11:07.320 And if you look at the radicalisation

00:11:09.860 of the population of Gaza before this conflict began,

00:11:13.700 then it was at a very, very high level.

00:11:17.340 Children, adults were all,

00:11:20.600 with virtually no exceptions,

00:11:22.360 indoctrinated in the schools that we paid for,

00:11:25.200 UNRWA schools,

00:11:26.660 using Western-funded textbooks

00:11:29.260 and teachers were indoctrinating

00:11:32.360 Gazan children to hate Israelis,

00:11:36.160 to want to kill Israelis.

00:11:37.880 And you probably have seen videos

00:11:39.600 showing children in Gaza saying,

00:11:42.360 my greatest dream is to kill an Israeli.

00:11:44.880 You probably have seen the parents,

00:11:46.840 the mother saying,

00:11:47.840 my dream is for my son to become a Shaheed,

00:11:52.080 in other words, a martyr,

00:11:52.980 someone who blows himself up to kill Israelis.

00:11:56.300 So that was the level of hatred

00:11:57.960 that was forced into their heads over decades.

00:12:01.800 So the latest attack,

00:12:06.340 which let's not forget,

00:12:07.580 whenever we talk about this,

00:12:09.160 none of this would have happened.

00:12:10.420 None of the killings,

00:12:11.700 none of the devastation,

00:12:12.860 none of the houses, hospitals, schools blown up,

00:12:15.820 would have been blown up

00:12:16.640 if Hamas hadn't attacked Israel

00:12:18.040 on the 7th of October.

00:12:20.460 But yes, the level of radicalisation,

00:12:22.760 the level of hatred for Israel

00:12:24.100 may well have increased,

00:12:24.960 but I'm not sure how much by

00:12:26.940 because we're already at a very, very high level.

00:12:29.560 And also, what is the alternative?

00:12:31.960 What is the alternative?

00:12:33.600 I've heard many people say

00:12:34.980 Israel should not have done what it's done,

00:12:37.880 but nobody will ever tell me

00:12:41.020 what Israel should have done

00:12:42.200 apart from we want world peace.

00:12:44.120 And you've used the term UNRWA.

00:12:46.740 Can you explain a little bit

00:12:48.160 about that organisation?

00:12:49.460 Because there's a term that's used

00:12:51.500 that I don't think the average bloke on the street

00:12:53.720 knows who they are

00:12:55.500 and what they purport to be.

00:12:58.260 UNRWA is an organisation

00:13:00.240 that was set up

00:13:01.140 after 1948,

00:13:04.640 after the establishment of the State of Israel,

00:13:06.540 to look after the Arab refugees

00:13:11.700 who were living in Israel

00:13:13.500 and who left Israel.

00:13:14.700 Some of them,

00:13:15.460 most of them, I think,

00:13:16.540 left Israel under instructions of the Arabs

00:13:18.720 to get out

00:13:19.860 so we can attack this new state

00:13:22.140 and then you can return home.

00:13:23.380 That was the basic idea.

00:13:25.000 Some were forced out,

00:13:26.440 but I don't think that applied to very many.

00:13:28.300 But anyway, they left.

00:13:29.540 And this organisation was set up

00:13:30.960 to look after them.

00:13:31.800 It was an entirely separate entity

00:13:34.380 from the UN's other organisation

00:13:39.420 who looks after all other refugees

00:13:40.800 around the world, everywhere.

00:13:42.360 This was something specific.

00:13:45.580 And it's become, basically,

00:13:46.740 it's become the administration in Gaza.

00:13:49.860 It's become the administration of Gaza.

00:13:51.940 It works with Hamas,

00:13:54.300 who run Gaza,

00:13:55.980 who are the government of Gaza.

00:13:57.580 And it pretty much runs everything else.

00:13:59.680 It supplies food.

00:14:01.140 It supplies education.

00:14:02.920 It helps with medical care

00:14:04.500 and all the other stuff.

00:14:06.020 And it's employees.

00:14:07.680 These are not,

00:14:08.960 kind of,

00:14:10.180 mostly,

00:14:10.960 these are not people brought in by the UN

00:14:12.740 to help Gazans.

00:14:14.220 They're Gazans themselves.

00:14:15.940 So it's part of the whole,

00:14:17.180 the Gazan structure.

00:14:19.900 And it's interesting

00:14:20.560 that we're talking about Umrah

00:14:22.040 and that we have mentioned about Iran

00:14:23.900 because there's part of me, Colonel,

00:14:26.000 that's listening to you

00:14:26.900 and you go,

00:14:27.260 we need to get rid of Hezbollah.

00:14:28.380 And I go, fine.

00:14:29.380 We need to get rid of Hamas.

00:14:31.140 Fine.

00:14:32.340 But if we're going to use medical terminology,

00:14:34.480 you're not dealing with the source of the infection,

00:14:36.880 which is Iran.

00:14:38.400 So isn't it inevitable

00:14:39.940 that you can clear away

00:14:41.800 all these terrorist organizations,

00:14:44.540 but unless you deal with Iran,

00:14:45.980 you're never going to deal with the source of the problem.

00:14:48.080 You're absolutely right.

00:14:48.780 And Iran has been likened to the head of the octopus.

00:14:53.960 And the octopus consists,

00:14:55.780 at the moment,

00:14:56.520 there's more to it than that,

00:14:57.660 but in relation to Israel,

00:14:58.720 it has seven arms,

00:15:00.840 seven different fronts

00:15:01.940 that Israel is fighting against.

00:15:03.980 And all these fronts are controlled

00:15:05.300 by the head of the octopus in Tehran.

00:15:09.660 And as you rightly suggest,

00:15:11.580 that lopping off the arm

00:15:12.740 that's Hamas or Hezbollah

00:15:14.040 does not deal with the octopus as a whole.

00:15:17.680 So yes, Iran has to be dealt with.

00:15:19.760 And I believe Iran must be dealt with.

00:15:22.960 And I can easily say dealt with,

00:15:25.500 but what do I mean by that?

00:15:26.980 I mean, Iran is a state

00:15:30.560 that was formed in its current iteration.

00:15:33.880 It was formed as a result of a revolution in 1979.

00:15:37.480 And that revolution is dedicated

00:15:38.960 to a number of things.

00:15:40.580 One is the supremacy of Shia Islam.

00:15:43.700 It's a minority in the Middle East.

00:15:46.280 And it's at war with Sunni Islam,

00:15:48.580 which makes up the majority.

00:15:49.920 Most of the Arab countries,

00:15:51.660 all of the Arab countries

00:15:52.460 pretty much are predominantly Sunni.

00:15:55.440 So it's at war with them

00:15:56.660 and it wants to establish supremacy

00:15:58.640 over the Middle East,

00:16:00.260 over all of Islam.

00:16:01.880 Secondly, it wants to destroy

00:16:03.180 the United States of America.

00:16:04.520 Death to America,

00:16:05.460 commonly heard cry

00:16:06.840 among the Iranian regime

00:16:09.240 and its supporters.

00:16:09.780 And Harvard students.

00:16:11.220 Indeed.

00:16:12.740 Yeah, who are unwitting supporters

00:16:14.640 of the Ayatollahs.

00:16:15.660 Yeah.

00:16:17.160 And then thirdly, really,

00:16:20.780 it wants to destroy the state of Israel.

00:16:23.180 So that's what the revolution,

00:16:25.840 those three things are really

00:16:26.900 what the revolution was built on.

00:16:28.320 So to deal with it,

00:16:32.600 the current government of Iran

00:16:34.780 has to be replaced.

00:16:36.260 And I'm not suggesting

00:16:37.160 that we in the West

00:16:40.900 need to do another attempt

00:16:42.460 at regime change,

00:16:43.560 which probably would be catastrophic.

00:16:45.680 But the revolution, I think,

00:16:47.740 needs to come from within

00:16:48.760 against the Iranian government.

00:16:50.260 And there's a great deal of opposition,

00:16:52.360 people who are terribly oppressed

00:16:54.320 by their regime

00:16:55.800 who see them spending

00:16:57.100 the little money they have

00:16:58.520 on weaponry

00:17:00.060 and on violence

00:17:01.840 and imperial domination

00:17:04.220 around the region

00:17:05.060 rather than on their own needs.

00:17:07.000 So there's a lot of opposition internally.

00:17:09.320 I think that

00:17:09.880 we're currently in a situation

00:17:13.020 where we've got a kind of

00:17:14.160 almost tit-for-tat

00:17:15.100 Israel versus Iran.

00:17:16.440 We've seen on the 14th of April,

00:17:18.540 Iran fire 300 and something

00:17:20.380 rockets, drones,

00:17:21.580 and ballistic missiles into Israel.

00:17:23.880 Israel made a small response.

00:17:25.300 Now we've seen another,

00:17:26.560 a couple of weeks ago,

00:17:27.460 we saw another volley

00:17:29.920 of missiles fired at Israel.

00:17:31.320 Israel's got to respond to that.

00:17:33.140 And I believe Israel should now,

00:17:34.920 having learned perhaps

00:17:36.080 that its light response

00:17:37.780 after the 14th of April

00:17:39.080 didn't have the effect

00:17:40.100 it maybe wanted to have.

00:17:41.900 Israel needs to hit Iran

00:17:43.840 very, very, very hard.

00:17:45.760 Military targets

00:17:46.580 are probably going to be

00:17:47.680 the most likely,

00:17:49.540 I would say, in Iran.

00:17:50.560 The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps,

00:17:52.640 rocket launchers,

00:17:53.500 there are other facilities,

00:17:54.780 possibly energy targets,

00:17:56.140 oil, gas,

00:17:57.880 possibly the nuclear project,

00:17:59.860 which is the real problem.

00:18:01.800 Iran is on the cusp

00:18:02.720 of getting nuclear weapons,

00:18:03.900 thanks to President Biden's

00:18:05.620 appeasement of Iran.

00:18:07.180 And that does need

00:18:07.940 to be tackled at some point.

00:18:10.060 If there is a significant attack

00:18:12.440 against Iran,

00:18:13.460 either now or subsequently,

00:18:15.580 that could potentially trigger

00:18:17.600 the downfall of the regime

00:18:19.160 in Iran, I think.

00:18:19.880 Could it also trigger

00:18:21.260 a global war?

00:18:22.380 Because Iran has very close ties

00:18:24.300 to people we might describe

00:18:26.200 as our enemies,

00:18:27.180 you know, Russia, etc.

00:18:28.700 I think there's a possibility

00:18:31.040 of that, I don't think,

00:18:32.120 very high.

00:18:34.260 Iran, as you know,

00:18:35.980 has been one of Russia's

00:18:38.320 main arms suppliers,

00:18:40.200 providing drones,

00:18:42.240 killer drones to Russia,

00:18:44.260 which have been used

00:18:45.420 to attack Ukrainian forces

00:18:47.540 and Ukrainian civilians.

00:18:49.780 Russia has supplied

00:18:51.120 air defence systems to Iran.

00:18:54.360 So there is a very close

00:18:55.780 relationship there.

00:18:56.740 But I don't think,

00:18:58.420 and I may be wrong,

00:18:59.400 and I may be being

00:19:00.040 over-optimistic,

00:19:00.840 but I don't think

00:19:01.560 a serious strike

00:19:03.420 against Iran

00:19:04.240 is going to lead

00:19:05.160 to Russia intervening

00:19:06.380 in this,

00:19:07.260 in the Middle East,

00:19:08.140 particularly at the,

00:19:09.280 yeah, maybe in some

00:19:10.360 low-level way.

00:19:11.360 But at the moment,

00:19:12.420 Russia's got its hands

00:19:13.340 fall with Ukraine.

00:19:14.380 And Colonel,

00:19:15.000 the last thing,

00:19:15.840 if they do build

00:19:17.160 this nuclear facility

00:19:19.040 and they complete it,

00:19:21.100 how is that going to

00:19:22.160 change the picture

00:19:22.980 of the Middle East?

00:19:24.680 Well, I think it changes

00:19:25.760 the world,

00:19:26.320 not just the Middle East.

00:19:27.360 And we've seen,

00:19:28.500 for example,

00:19:29.740 we don't want to talk

00:19:30.520 in great depth

00:19:31.220 about Ukraine now,

00:19:32.400 but Ukraine is

00:19:33.220 in a very difficult situation.

00:19:36.560 It's Russia's

00:19:37.900 gaining territory.

00:19:39.720 There's no real prospect,

00:19:41.160 as far as I can see,

00:19:42.300 at the moment

00:19:42.840 of Ukraine

00:19:43.820 retaking that territory.

00:19:45.880 And that's partly,

00:19:47.400 partly to a very large extent

00:19:48.940 because of the West reluctance

00:19:50.440 to provide Ukraine

00:19:51.960 what it needed

00:19:52.660 in terms of,

00:19:54.600 you know,

00:19:55.060 aircraft,

00:19:55.840 tanks,

00:19:57.900 missile systems

00:19:58.720 and the ability

00:19:59.280 to use them

00:20:00.040 as they need to use them.

00:20:01.580 And that's been

00:20:02.560 a real constraint

00:20:03.540 on Ukraine.

00:20:04.740 Possibly Ukraine

00:20:05.520 could have been

00:20:05.980 in a much different position now

00:20:07.520 had that not been applied.

00:20:08.900 The reason

00:20:09.620 those restrictions

00:20:10.340 were applied

00:20:11.060 predominantly by the US

00:20:12.500 but with other countries

00:20:13.580 following suit

00:20:14.200 is because they're afraid

00:20:15.560 of a nuclear-armed Russia.

00:20:18.240 So a nuclear-armed Iran,

00:20:20.940 the deterrent effect

00:20:22.240 on anyone

00:20:22.800 who wants to intervene

00:20:24.260 in Iran,

00:20:24.760 no matter how aggressive

00:20:25.660 Iran might get,

00:20:27.400 the deterrent effect

00:20:28.260 will be felt.

00:20:29.340 And that will be

00:20:30.100 probably the most dangerous

00:20:31.260 situation that could occur

00:20:32.800 in relation to Iran.

00:20:34.520 And that's why

00:20:35.040 that nuclear program

00:20:36.160 should not be allowed

00:20:37.720 to get to fruition.

00:20:39.300 It's not very far off now.

00:20:41.040 And there's only two countries

00:20:42.220 that can stop that.

00:20:43.160 One is the United States

00:20:44.260 and the other is Israel.

00:20:46.380 Israel alone

00:20:47.240 may not be able

00:20:48.000 to do that

00:20:48.600 but it can certainly

00:20:49.340 do severe damage

00:20:50.240 to Iran's nuclear program.

00:20:51.920 Colonel,

00:20:52.280 can I ask you a series

00:20:53.120 of fairly stupid questions

00:20:54.600 but they are sort of

00:20:55.340 in the ether

00:20:55.880 and I think

00:20:56.840 they're actually

00:20:57.260 in some ways

00:20:57.780 stupid but simultaneously

00:20:59.180 really important

00:20:59.880 to address

00:21:00.480 because there are a lot

00:21:01.580 of things that people say

00:21:02.860 but when we think about them

00:21:04.940 we don't necessarily

00:21:05.460 have the answer.

00:21:06.040 So you mentioned

00:21:07.320 that Israel

00:21:07.940 is one of America's

00:21:09.420 and Britain's

00:21:10.220 chief allies

00:21:11.500 around the world

00:21:12.120 and the main one

00:21:13.140 in the Middle East.

00:21:14.860 What is the value

00:21:15.900 of that alliance

00:21:16.720 a lot of people

00:21:17.320 are now asking.

00:21:18.080 A lot of people

00:21:18.500 in America are saying

00:21:19.340 if we weren't

00:21:20.120 supporting Israel

00:21:20.960 we wouldn't have

00:21:22.000 all these jihadi groups

00:21:23.660 hating us.

00:21:24.420 We would be living

00:21:25.200 peacefully in America

00:21:26.240 and the Middle East

00:21:27.160 would be taking care

00:21:27.900 of itself.

00:21:28.280 Why do we need

00:21:28.780 to be in alliance

00:21:29.360 with Israel?

00:21:30.280 Well the Middle East

00:21:32.060 is an important region.

00:21:34.440 Whatever one's perspective

00:21:36.540 from the West

00:21:37.320 all the things

00:21:37.920 we're doing now

00:21:38.760 pretty much

00:21:40.500 every activity

00:21:41.320 outside of this room

00:21:42.500 is to some extent

00:21:45.280 dependent on the Middle East

00:21:46.660 on oil

00:21:47.160 in particular

00:21:48.240 and therefore

00:21:49.980 some kind of stability

00:21:53.020 and it's a loose word

00:21:55.880 in connection

00:21:56.320 with the Middle East

00:21:56.860 is important

00:21:57.900 and Israel provides

00:21:59.160 an element

00:21:59.700 of that stability.

00:22:00.540 But people would

00:22:01.020 say quite the opposite.

00:22:02.920 People would say

00:22:03.580 if we didn't

00:22:04.880 support Israel

00:22:06.160 it would be a lot easier

00:22:07.720 for us to get

00:22:08.660 Iranian oil

00:22:09.580 and oil from

00:22:10.180 we'd just trade

00:22:11.100 with these people

00:22:11.660 who wouldn't hate us anymore.

00:22:13.620 Except that

00:22:14.380 as I mentioned before

00:22:16.420 one of Iran's

00:22:17.560 and probably Iran's

00:22:18.340 primary objective

00:22:19.440 when I say Iran

00:22:20.400 I'm talking about

00:22:20.880 the revolutionary government

00:22:21.880 their primary objective

00:22:23.580 is the dominance

00:22:25.100 of Shia over Sunni Islam.

00:22:27.120 They're at war

00:22:27.660 with the rest of Islam

00:22:29.420 basically

00:22:29.940 and this is why

00:22:32.220 something that

00:22:33.180 isn't talked about

00:22:34.080 very much

00:22:34.540 I think

00:22:34.880 is that

00:22:35.360 most of the Arab countries

00:22:37.300 in the region

00:22:37.920 are right behind Israel.

00:22:39.300 They want Israel

00:22:40.120 to defeat Hamas

00:22:40.980 they want Israel

00:22:42.020 to defeat Hezbollah

00:22:42.820 they want Israel

00:22:43.920 to defeat Iran

00:22:44.580 that includes Saudi Arabia

00:22:45.860 it includes the UAE

00:22:47.300 it includes Jordan

00:22:48.120 it includes Egypt

00:22:49.100 it includes pretty much

00:22:50.220 every country

00:22:50.700 in the Middle East

00:22:51.260 who see themselves

00:22:52.540 under threat from Iran.

00:22:54.360 Israel is the

00:22:55.460 kind of the strong horse

00:22:57.080 if you like

00:22:57.660 in the Middle East

00:22:58.840 and without

00:23:00.540 without that

00:23:01.760 there's every prospect

00:23:02.820 of far greater

00:23:04.420 instability

00:23:04.960 in the region

00:23:06.260 than with Israel

00:23:07.940 being there

00:23:08.500 and being a strong

00:23:09.400 rock against Iran.

00:23:13.300 What about

00:23:14.280 can you explain

00:23:15.940 to us

00:23:16.580 because a lot of people

00:23:18.060 don't know

00:23:18.800 the answer

00:23:19.140 to this question either

00:23:20.060 what is this conflict

00:23:21.920 really about

00:23:22.680 between Israel

00:23:24.540 and Iran?

00:23:25.260 A lot of people think

00:23:26.380 it's about

00:23:27.600 the occupation

00:23:28.700 a lot of people think

00:23:30.320 it's about land

00:23:31.320 but when I look at it

00:23:32.840 and I go

00:23:33.320 if it were about land

00:23:35.420 it would have got

00:23:36.320 sorted out

00:23:36.900 a long time ago

00:23:37.760 because

00:23:38.280 when it comes to land

00:23:39.860 people ultimately

00:23:40.700 will negotiate

00:23:41.660 instead of

00:23:42.700 continuing

00:23:43.340 killing each other

00:23:44.020 for 70 years

00:23:45.120 so what is it

00:23:46.640 really about?

00:23:47.960 It's a religious war

00:23:48.820 and

00:23:50.260 Islamic doctrine

00:23:51.620 makes it very clear

00:23:54.700 that if any territory

00:23:56.320 was ever controlled

00:23:57.480 by Islam

00:23:58.080 it can never be controlled

00:23:59.360 by people

00:23:59.980 who are not Muslims

00:24:00.820 and that includes Israel

00:24:02.740 the land there

00:24:03.660 was once part of the

00:24:05.020 there's been various

00:24:06.420 situations over the years

00:24:07.460 but most recently

00:24:08.200 it was part of the

00:24:09.320 Ottoman Empire

00:24:10.240 which was

00:24:11.320 essentially

00:24:12.500 was an Islamic caliphate

00:24:13.820 and

00:24:15.240 therefore

00:24:16.940 it cannot

00:24:17.500 it cannot be controlled

00:24:18.860 by anybody else

00:24:19.560 the Jews have to

00:24:20.840 they don't have to go

00:24:21.620 they either have to be killed

00:24:23.700 or they live

00:24:24.640 as second class citizens

00:24:26.660 under an Islamic government

00:24:27.880 that is fundamentally

00:24:29.040 what the conflict's about

00:24:30.280 and when you talk about

00:24:32.100 the occupation

00:24:32.880 I think

00:24:34.800 you've kind of touched on

00:24:36.700 a really misunderstood area

00:24:39.980 which provides

00:24:41.160 the fundamental basis

00:24:42.460 for

00:24:43.620 many many people

00:24:45.620 around the world

00:24:46.320 including in the UK

00:24:47.320 and the US etc

00:24:48.320 belief

00:24:48.860 that Israel

00:24:49.920 is an illegitimate country

00:24:51.580 Israel's not an occupier

00:24:53.480 Israel is not an apartheid state

00:24:55.300 Israel has not stolen Arab land

00:24:57.040 all of these things

00:24:58.900 which are

00:24:59.420 you know

00:24:59.720 illegal settlements

00:25:00.860 all of these things

00:25:01.700 are lies

00:25:02.320 they're generated

00:25:04.180 and I don't want to bore you

00:25:05.820 with too much history

00:25:06.740 but they were generated

00:25:07.660 originally by the Soviet Union

00:25:09.240 in the mid-60s

00:25:10.820 which wanted to create

00:25:12.860 a war of national liberation

00:25:14.460 between the Arab world

00:25:17.240 and Israel

00:25:17.960 in order to use that

00:25:19.100 as a weapon

00:25:19.560 against British and American

00:25:20.660 influence in the Middle East

00:25:21.720 that was where

00:25:22.320 it all began

00:25:23.340 and they created

00:25:24.680 a Palestinian national identity

00:25:27.120 which didn't exist before that

00:25:28.640 there were plenty of Arabs

00:25:30.020 living there

00:25:30.460 but they didn't consider

00:25:31.800 themselves Palestinian

00:25:32.760 that identity

00:25:33.840 had to be created

00:25:34.900 Can I just stop you there

00:25:36.020 just a second

00:25:36.500 what did they consider themselves

00:25:38.040 Arabs

00:25:38.540 they were Arabs

00:25:39.840 they just thought

00:25:40.880 they were Arabs

00:25:41.340 there was no

00:25:42.080 the people who

00:25:43.800 identified as Palestinians

00:25:45.580 were the Jews

00:25:46.280 who were living there

00:25:47.040 the name became

00:25:49.420 the land became known

00:25:50.760 as Palestine

00:25:51.940 and it became

00:25:53.060 the British mandate

00:25:53.840 for Palestine

00:25:54.420 after the Second World War

00:25:55.520 the Jews living there

00:25:56.860 called themselves Palestinians

00:25:58.120 the Arabs

00:25:58.580 generally speaking

00:25:59.500 didn't

00:25:59.900 but that identity

00:26:01.000 was created

00:26:01.800 and part of the

00:26:03.640 part of the propaganda

00:26:04.660 campaign

00:26:05.580 which began

00:26:06.260 as I say

00:26:06.720 orchestrated by the Soviet Union

00:26:08.300 said that Israel

00:26:09.560 stole the land

00:26:10.460 from the Arabs

00:26:11.140 and Israel is illegally

00:26:12.860 occupying the land

00:26:13.860 and therefore it must be liberated

00:26:15.300 the reality is that

00:26:17.900 from 1948

00:26:19.080 Israel

00:26:19.820 and again

00:26:20.720 I don't want to go into

00:26:21.500 massive details of

00:26:22.920 international law

00:26:24.280 but from 1948

00:26:25.460 Israel was the

00:26:27.200 legitimate sovereign

00:26:28.300 throughout the whole

00:26:29.660 of that land

00:26:30.320 from including

00:26:31.540 the West Bank

00:26:33.000 Judea and Samaria

00:26:33.860 as it's sometimes known

00:26:34.740 and Gaza

00:26:35.600 all of it

00:26:36.400 was sovereign

00:26:38.680 Israeli territory

00:26:39.760 under international law

00:26:41.900 and remains so

00:26:42.940 despite

00:26:43.620 the

00:26:44.960 accusations

00:26:46.520 and the suggestions

00:26:47.380 of the United Nations

00:26:48.480 and other people

00:26:49.140 that it is not

00:26:50.240 that is the

00:26:50.900 international

00:26:51.500 law

00:26:52.480 case

00:26:53.260 that exists today

00:26:54.840 and all the

00:26:57.400 stuff

00:26:57.620 you know

00:26:58.160 the accusations

00:26:59.140 of illegal

00:26:59.700 occupation

00:27:00.220 theft of land

00:27:01.080 all the

00:27:01.480 stuff

00:27:02.480 that translates

00:27:03.940 into

00:27:04.500 a narrative

00:27:05.700 that says

00:27:06.300 anything that

00:27:07.260 happens to Israel

00:27:08.020 including the

00:27:08.620 7th of October

00:27:09.360 it had it coming

00:27:10.240 anything Israel

00:27:11.760 does in response

00:27:12.700 to these attacks

00:27:13.800 is wrong

00:27:14.740 and

00:27:15.640 you can understand

00:27:16.820 that if you

00:27:17.420 say yes

00:27:18.100 this is an

00:27:18.520 imperial

00:27:18.940 illegal

00:27:19.580 occupying power

00:27:21.400 then you can

00:27:22.140 understand why

00:27:22.860 that narrative

00:27:23.580 exists

00:27:24.040 but the

00:27:24.600 basis of the

00:27:25.560 narrative is

00:27:26.200 entirely false

00:27:27.480 so coming back

00:27:28.920 to my stupid

00:27:29.500 questions

00:27:29.900 one of the

00:27:30.360 things I wanted

00:27:31.220 to really get

00:27:31.980 into with you

00:27:32.540 because you're

00:27:33.180 unique as a

00:27:33.840 guest on our

00:27:34.320 show

00:27:34.540 and that

00:27:34.900 you've spent

00:27:35.600 time in Gaza

00:27:36.380 over the course

00:27:37.120 of the last

00:27:37.600 year

00:27:37.920 you're a former

00:27:38.700 military commander

00:27:39.480 you understand

00:27:40.060 these things

00:27:40.500 in a way

00:27:40.800 that we don't

00:27:41.460 one of the

00:27:42.820 big talking

00:27:43.560 points is

00:27:44.600 collateral damage

00:27:45.760 from Israel's

00:27:46.720 campaign

00:27:47.420 in Gaza

00:27:48.920 and

00:27:49.980 I don't know

00:27:51.560 if this is

00:27:52.140 because we

00:27:53.020 have social

00:27:53.560 media now

00:27:54.260 in a way

00:27:54.620 that we

00:27:54.880 haven't had

00:27:55.420 in previous

00:27:55.920 conflict

00:27:56.360 but it's

00:27:57.480 very difficult

00:27:58.180 to avoid

00:27:59.200 the flood

00:28:00.840 of horrific

00:28:02.540 visuals

00:28:03.680 and imagery

00:28:04.500 people being

00:28:05.140 killed

00:28:05.460 people burning

00:28:06.120 to death

00:28:06.560 children

00:28:07.000 with limbs

00:28:07.980 blown off

00:28:08.360 and if you're

00:28:08.700 a father

00:28:09.080 like the two

00:28:09.940 of us

00:28:10.220 you look at

00:28:10.960 that and it's

00:28:11.300 very difficult

00:28:11.840 not to feel

00:28:13.700 very strong

00:28:14.780 emotions about

00:28:15.480 it I think

00:28:15.940 for any person

00:28:16.940 at the same

00:28:18.420 time if you

00:28:19.180 understand combat

00:28:20.360 or history

00:28:21.080 or things like

00:28:21.980 that you

00:28:22.200 understand the

00:28:22.740 wars always

00:28:23.340 have collateral

00:28:24.220 damage

00:28:24.700 and so the

00:28:26.460 discussion around

00:28:27.440 that is it's

00:28:28.460 somewhat confusing

00:28:29.400 for I think

00:28:29.860 for a lay

00:28:30.340 person again

00:28:31.080 what do you

00:28:32.740 say to the

00:28:33.420 charge that

00:28:34.040 Israel is

00:28:34.740 either targeting

00:28:35.500 civilians or

00:28:36.440 is attacking

00:28:37.740 in a way that

00:28:38.580 causes unnecessary

00:28:39.700 damage etc

00:28:40.820 yeah and I've

00:28:41.860 heard that many

00:28:42.400 times and I

00:28:43.580 think it's a

00:28:44.040 commonly held

00:28:44.580 belief even by

00:28:45.280 people who

00:28:45.800 support Israel

00:28:46.560 generally

00:28:47.080 the first thing

00:28:48.640 we need to

00:28:49.080 understand I

00:28:49.700 think is what

00:28:50.260 Hamas's

00:28:51.060 strategy is

00:28:52.360 here

00:28:52.620 Hamas

00:28:54.240 since really

00:28:57.340 since their

00:28:57.900 inception since

00:28:58.700 they began to

00:28:59.360 be aggressive

00:28:59.840 against Israel

00:29:00.640 as soon as

00:29:01.260 they took

00:29:01.580 control of the

00:29:02.220 Gaza Strip

00:29:02.880 everything they've

00:29:04.320 been doing

00:29:04.780 has been to

00:29:05.300 try to

00:29:07.040 get Israeli

00:29:11.080 retaliation

00:29:11.980 so they fire

00:29:12.620 rockets they

00:29:13.240 want Israel to

00:29:14.040 retaliate

00:29:14.560 they dig

00:29:15.240 tunnels

00:29:15.640 underneath the

00:29:16.320 border to

00:29:16.800 attack Israeli

00:29:17.540 communities

00:29:18.080 they want

00:29:18.760 Israel to

00:29:19.220 retaliate

00:29:19.740 everything they

00:29:20.580 do is about

00:29:21.140 retaliation

00:29:21.820 they want

00:29:22.260 Israel to

00:29:22.700 retaliate

00:29:23.240 and they

00:29:23.880 want Israel

00:29:24.340 not just

00:29:24.720 to retaliate

00:29:25.240 they want

00:29:25.560 Israel to

00:29:26.000 kill their

00:29:26.480 own people

00:29:27.000 Ghazan

00:29:27.540 people

00:29:27.900 this is the

00:29:28.800 first army

00:29:29.480 in history

00:29:30.160 that I know

00:29:30.740 of that has

00:29:31.620 deliberately

00:29:32.200 wanted its

00:29:33.040 enemy to

00:29:33.540 kill its

00:29:34.020 own civilian

00:29:34.600 population

00:29:35.140 what's your

00:29:35.440 evidence for

00:29:35.880 that

00:29:36.040 what's your

00:29:37.360 evidence for

00:29:37.980 that claim

00:29:38.480 that Hamas

00:29:40.240 wants their

00:29:41.200 own civilians

00:29:41.720 to be killed

00:29:42.280 every one of

00:29:44.300 their actions

00:29:44.880 the words of

00:29:45.700 their leaders

00:29:46.180 you can look

00:29:47.480 at it on

00:29:47.800 the internet

00:29:48.280 there are

00:29:48.620 plenty of

00:29:49.200 examples of

00:29:50.280 Hamas leaders

00:29:50.980 saying we

00:29:52.180 want our

00:29:54.260 people to be

00:29:54.820 sacrificed in

00:29:55.700 the cause of

00:29:56.480 Islam

00:29:57.500 etc.

00:29:59.160 it's their

00:29:59.900 policy

00:30:00.380 it's written

00:30:00.780 down

00:30:01.180 there are

00:30:02.000 many

00:30:02.220 I can't

00:30:02.720 quote you

00:30:03.100 chapter and

00:30:03.520 verse now

00:30:04.020 but there

00:30:04.760 are many

00:30:05.140 examples where

00:30:07.140 they make it

00:30:08.460 clear this is

00:30:08.960 what their

00:30:09.280 policy is

00:30:09.980 and there's

00:30:11.340 a reason for

00:30:11.860 it's not

00:30:12.140 an irrational

00:30:12.740 policy either

00:30:13.840 it sounds

00:30:14.800 irrational to

00:30:15.420 us but the

00:30:15.920 reason for it

00:30:16.540 is because

00:30:17.020 Hamas know

00:30:18.120 they can

00:30:18.520 never really

00:30:19.180 defeat Israel

00:30:19.920 they may

00:30:20.600 want to but

00:30:21.280 they know

00:30:21.520 they can't

00:30:21.980 they're not

00:30:22.620 that strong

00:30:23.380 no one is

00:30:24.280 that strong

00:30:24.760 actually apart

00:30:25.340 from probably

00:30:25.780 the United

00:30:26.160 States if they

00:30:26.880 chose to

00:30:27.300 but no one

00:30:28.060 in the region

00:30:28.580 and so the

00:30:30.220 only way of

00:30:30.920 getting rid of

00:30:32.300 Israel is to

00:30:33.080 delegitimize it

00:30:33.960 is to undermine

00:30:34.540 it is to

00:30:34.940 bring international

00:30:36.460 opprobrium down

00:30:39.240 in Israel to

00:30:39.860 isolate Israel

00:30:41.260 to vilify Israel

00:30:42.240 you do that

00:30:42.920 by showing

00:30:44.660 videos and

00:30:45.980 having press

00:30:46.900 pictures of

00:30:47.580 your children

00:30:48.500 being killed

00:30:49.120 and women

00:30:49.940 being killed

00:30:50.500 and mosques

00:30:50.960 being bombed

00:30:51.560 and schools

00:30:52.020 being blown

00:30:52.540 up

00:30:52.780 that's how

00:30:53.460 you do it

00:30:54.060 and it's

00:30:55.440 worked

00:30:55.800 it's worked

00:30:56.320 very very

00:30:56.860 well over

00:30:57.380 many years

00:30:58.060 and the

00:30:58.300 United Nations

00:30:59.100 Human Rights

00:30:59.780 Council for

00:31:00.340 example has

00:31:00.900 repeatedly

00:31:01.400 condemned

00:31:02.600 Israel for

00:31:03.220 killing civilians

00:31:04.060 inside Gaza

00:31:04.920 and you know

00:31:07.340 the pressure

00:31:08.020 piles on

00:31:08.580 and we've

00:31:08.880 seen it

00:31:09.240 building up

00:31:09.820 much more

00:31:10.300 after the

00:31:10.720 7th of October

00:31:11.400 so that's

00:31:12.140 what they want

00:31:12.740 and everything

00:31:13.160 they do

00:31:13.600 is designed

00:31:14.080 to achieve

00:31:14.580 that

00:31:14.720 that's why

00:31:15.180 they fight

00:31:15.720 from within

00:31:16.580 civilian

00:31:16.980 populations

00:31:17.580 that's why

00:31:18.020 they use

00:31:18.940 schools and

00:31:19.680 hospitals and

00:31:20.400 other protected

00:31:21.240 facilities as

00:31:22.740 their command

00:31:24.080 posts as their

00:31:24.820 weapons storage

00:31:25.500 sites as their

00:31:26.040 rocket launch

00:31:26.580 sites and all

00:31:27.180 of that

00:31:27.500 they wouldn't

00:31:28.360 do that

00:31:28.840 there's plenty

00:31:29.340 of open

00:31:29.800 place in

00:31:30.440 Gaza

00:31:30.720 it's described

00:31:32.140 as the most

00:31:32.720 densely populated

00:31:33.680 place in the

00:31:34.220 world which it

00:31:34.700 isn't but it

00:31:35.200 is quite densely

00:31:35.920 populated but

00:31:37.040 there's still

00:31:37.420 plenty of

00:31:37.880 opportunities outside

00:31:38.760 the civilian

00:31:39.900 population so

00:31:41.180 that's that

00:31:41.800 you know whether

00:31:42.820 you accept it or

00:31:43.660 don't accept it

00:31:44.360 that is Hamas's

00:31:46.340 main strategy

00:31:47.980 against Israel

00:31:48.720 to force Israel

00:31:49.680 to kill their

00:31:50.380 own civilians

00:31:51.000 and in this war

00:31:52.320 they know

00:31:53.620 because they've

00:31:54.280 had a response

00:31:56.240 that they're much

00:31:56.920 more powerful than

00:31:57.700 they expected

00:31:58.320 they expected the

00:31:59.480 response to be

00:32:00.180 limited and for

00:32:00.780 the US to put a

00:32:02.100 stop to it much

00:32:03.120 much earlier than

00:32:03.920 now

00:32:04.220 so they

00:32:07.320 now know

00:32:09.620 the only way

00:32:10.700 the only way

00:32:11.760 they can save

00:32:12.580 themselves

00:32:13.080 is by

00:32:14.380 the war

00:32:16.980 stopping

00:32:17.420 Hamas is being

00:32:19.200 as I mentioned

00:32:20.080 before is being

00:32:20.640 progressively defeated

00:32:21.540 they cannot

00:32:22.500 survive

00:32:23.220 unless the war

00:32:24.360 is stopped

00:32:24.840 so

00:32:25.600 the more

00:32:26.920 civilians that

00:32:27.580 die the more

00:32:28.260 pressure on

00:32:28.800 Israel the better

00:32:29.600 it is for

00:32:30.040 Hamas

00:32:30.440 in turning to

00:32:32.160 Israel when

00:32:32.960 they're confronting

00:32:34.300 a terrorist

00:32:34.800 organisation in

00:32:35.640 this situation

00:32:36.300 they have

00:32:37.860 they've done

00:32:38.400 everything in

00:32:39.080 their power

00:32:39.660 and I've

00:32:40.500 witnessed it

00:32:41.060 first hand

00:32:41.580 not just in

00:32:42.180 this conflict

00:32:42.700 but in

00:32:43.020 previous

00:32:43.360 conflicts

00:32:43.840 the IDF

00:32:44.880 done everything

00:32:45.500 in their power

00:32:46.020 to minimise the

00:32:46.940 deaths of

00:32:47.880 innocent civilians

00:32:48.620 if you want

00:32:49.560 to kill

00:32:50.060 a terrorist

00:32:51.180 commander

00:32:51.660 or a terrorist

00:32:52.500 rocket system

00:32:53.960 destroy that

00:32:55.180 then

00:32:56.220 it's

00:32:59.020 it's hard

00:32:59.780 it's very hard

00:33:00.420 to do so

00:33:00.920 without killing

00:33:01.620 civilians

00:33:02.080 if these people

00:33:04.020 are in civilian

00:33:04.660 areas

00:33:05.080 which they

00:33:05.720 almost invariably

00:33:06.600 are

00:33:06.960 so

00:33:08.180 the choice

00:33:09.540 is you

00:33:09.880 either

00:33:10.080 don't

00:33:10.740 destroy

00:33:11.120 the terrorists

00:33:11.820 or you

00:33:12.540 you either

00:33:14.720 don't destroy

00:33:15.240 the terrorists

00:33:15.720 and save

00:33:16.280 the civilians

00:33:17.380 all of the

00:33:17.920 civilians

00:33:18.200 or you

00:33:18.620 destroy the

00:33:19.240 terrorists

00:33:19.540 and unfortunately

00:33:20.160 have to kill

00:33:20.740 civilians as well

00:33:21.500 and I find it

00:33:22.080 as troubling

00:33:22.540 as you do

00:33:23.720 but the

00:33:25.120 the laws of war

00:33:26.260 allow that

00:33:27.180 the laws of war

00:33:28.460 say essentially

00:33:29.360 you

00:33:30.400 you're not allowed

00:33:31.940 to deliberately

00:33:32.420 target civilians

00:33:33.300 you're not allowed

00:33:33.800 to deliberately

00:33:34.380 attack civilians

00:33:35.160 but if

00:33:35.740 civilians die

00:33:37.120 during the process

00:33:38.460 of combat operations

00:33:39.540 because there are

00:33:40.200 civilians in

00:33:40.880 the area that

00:33:41.820 you need to

00:33:42.280 attack

00:33:42.800 then that is

00:33:44.260 not illegitimate

00:33:44.980 it's not illegal

00:33:45.660 and it happened

00:33:46.200 in wars

00:33:46.740 since really

00:33:47.520 since time

00:33:48.040 began

00:33:48.440 what do the

00:33:50.240 IDF do

00:33:50.880 to try and

00:33:51.880 minimize

00:33:52.120 civilian deaths

00:33:52.900 first of all

00:33:54.420 they

00:33:55.080 they

00:33:55.700 they have

00:33:56.940 very comprehensive

00:33:57.840 intelligence

00:33:58.460 about where

00:33:59.280 the enemy are

00:34:00.120 where the

00:34:00.860 civilian population

00:34:01.680 is etc

00:34:02.280 when they're

00:34:03.080 going to attack

00:34:03.660 let's say

00:34:04.120 a tower block

00:34:05.080 in Gaza

00:34:05.680 they will

00:34:06.800 make phone

00:34:08.380 calls

00:34:08.800 sometimes

00:34:09.840 drop leaflets

00:34:10.780 send voice

00:34:13.020 messages

00:34:13.400 text messages

00:34:14.160 sometimes

00:34:14.700 deliver messages

00:34:16.040 through loud

00:34:16.580 speakers

00:34:17.060 to tell people

00:34:18.600 to get out

00:34:19.240 and when

00:34:20.420 they've got out

00:34:21.200 they then

00:34:22.720 maintain

00:34:23.520 surveillance

00:34:24.140 over the area

00:34:25.040 and when they

00:34:25.880 think all

00:34:26.340 the civilians

00:34:26.880 or most

00:34:27.300 of the civilians

00:34:27.800 have gone

00:34:28.100 only then

00:34:28.980 will they

00:34:29.280 attack the

00:34:29.720 target

00:34:30.080 and

00:34:31.000 something like

00:34:32.880 I can't

00:34:33.480 remember the

00:34:33.780 figures

00:34:34.060 millions

00:34:34.660 millions

00:34:34.680 of leaflets

00:34:35.380 have been

00:34:35.660 dropped

00:34:35.880 on Gaza

00:34:36.380 millions

00:34:37.040 of phone

00:34:37.580 calls

00:34:37.880 have been

00:34:38.120 made

00:34:38.380 in Arabic

00:34:38.900 to Gazans

00:34:39.720 millions

00:34:40.360 of voice

00:34:40.860 messages

00:34:41.280 text messages

00:34:42.120 have been

00:34:43.160 delivered

00:34:44.000 in an effort

00:34:45.860 to try and

00:34:47.220 get the

00:34:47.680 civilians

00:34:48.100 away from

00:34:48.820 an area

00:34:49.180 that's being

00:34:49.600 targeted

00:34:50.080 no other

00:34:51.000 army's

00:34:51.360 done anything

00:34:51.840 like that

00:34:52.260 ever in

00:34:52.680 history

00:34:53.060 there's been

00:34:53.680 something

00:34:54.180 approaching it

00:34:54.880 but nothing

00:34:55.240 like that

00:34:56.060 so those

00:34:58.460 are just

00:34:59.020 some

00:34:59.300 there are

00:34:59.540 other

00:34:59.780 precautions

00:35:00.260 they take

00:35:00.760 as well

00:35:01.140 something like

00:35:01.980 50% of

00:35:03.020 Israeli

00:35:03.400 airstrikes

00:35:04.060 that were

00:35:04.340 planned

00:35:04.720 against

00:35:05.060 terrorist

00:35:05.440 targets

00:35:05.900 in Gaza

00:35:06.420 were aborted

00:35:07.520 because of

00:35:08.520 a civilian

00:35:08.940 presence

00:35:09.380 so those

00:35:11.560 people who

00:35:12.380 suggest that

00:35:13.180 Israel takes

00:35:13.920 no care

00:35:14.520 and that

00:35:15.520 is only

00:35:16.220 interested in

00:35:17.140 killing

00:35:18.600 terrorists

00:35:19.020 doesn't matter

00:35:19.380 how many

00:35:19.680 civilians

00:35:20.040 are killed

00:35:20.320 unfortunately

00:35:21.080 are wrong

00:35:21.440 or fortunately

00:35:22.040 are wrong

00:35:22.440 and if you

00:35:23.420 look I mean

00:35:24.180 it's terrible

00:35:24.600 to reduce

00:35:25.140 human life

00:35:25.680 to statistics

00:35:26.520 but if we

00:35:28.820 do for a

00:35:29.200 moment

00:35:29.440 if we take

00:35:30.620 the death

00:35:32.900 toll in

00:35:33.480 Gaza

00:35:33.800 which has

00:35:34.280 been specified

00:35:35.040 most recently

00:35:36.120 I think by

00:35:36.660 the Hamas

00:35:37.980 controlled

00:35:38.640 Gaza health

00:35:39.600 ministry

00:35:40.040 they say

00:35:40.540 something like

00:35:41.000 42,000

00:35:42.000 civilians have

00:35:43.140 been killed

00:35:43.520 I don't know

00:35:44.160 whether that

00:35:44.540 number's right

00:35:45.160 whether it's

00:35:45.680 less more

00:35:46.300 I've no idea

00:35:46.960 but let's

00:35:47.620 take that

00:35:48.080 number

00:35:48.420 though it's

00:35:49.280 from Hamas

00:35:49.880 the IDF

00:35:52.020 estimate they

00:35:52.680 have killed

00:35:53.340 20,000

00:35:54.340 terrorists

00:35:55.480 so you take

00:35:56.380 20,000 from

00:35:57.240 that 42,000

00:35:58.340 figure

00:35:58.760 of course

00:35:59.600 Hamas don't

00:36:00.320 divide into

00:36:01.020 civilians and

00:36:01.660 military

00:36:01.940 they just say

00:36:02.780 everyone's a

00:36:03.420 doctor or a

00:36:04.380 nurse or a

00:36:05.040 child or a

00:36:05.640 woman

00:36:05.860 but you take

00:36:07.620 that roughly

00:36:09.720 half

00:36:10.180 a bit less

00:36:10.980 than half

00:36:11.440 and then you

00:36:13.520 take away from

00:36:14.260 the remaining

00:36:15.320 numbers

00:36:15.880 those who have

00:36:16.980 been killed by

00:36:17.640 Hamas

00:36:18.000 Hamas have

00:36:18.460 deliberately

00:36:18.860 murdered large

00:36:19.640 numbers of

00:36:20.160 their own

00:36:20.740 people for

00:36:21.720 disciplinary

00:36:22.360 purposes inside

00:36:23.360 Gaza

00:36:23.740 they have

00:36:25.120 fired I

00:36:26.580 think something

00:36:26.980 like 13% of

00:36:28.280 the rockets

00:36:28.740 they've fired

00:36:29.300 have fallen

00:36:29.680 short and

00:36:30.220 landed inside

00:36:31.040 Gaza

00:36:31.420 some of whom

00:36:32.540 will have killed

00:36:33.000 probably many

00:36:33.580 people so you

00:36:34.320 take that number

00:36:35.120 away as well

00:36:35.800 from the 42,000

00:36:37.300 and then you

00:36:38.080 take those who

00:36:39.620 have died from

00:36:40.160 natural causes

00:36:40.920 which based on

00:36:42.340 population statistics

00:36:44.200 inside Gaza

00:36:45.440 before the

00:36:46.340 conflict is

00:36:47.360 going to be in

00:36:47.920 a year around

00:36:48.540 6,000 plus

00:36:49.660 maybe 8,000

00:36:50.660 who have died

00:36:51.780 from natural

00:36:52.380 causes among

00:36:53.100 that number

00:36:53.680 so that brings

00:36:54.720 it down

00:36:55.080 it brings it

00:36:55.640 down I

00:36:56.000 think significantly

00:36:56.860 less than

00:36:58.140 one civilian

00:36:58.880 killed for

00:36:59.560 every combatant

00:37:00.480 sounds terrible

00:37:01.640 is terrible

00:37:02.380 but if you

00:37:03.340 compare it to

00:37:03.960 other conflicts

00:37:04.680 in Iraq and

00:37:05.340 Afghanistan

00:37:05.760 the ratio

00:37:06.520 was in Iraq

00:37:08.680 five civilians

00:37:09.820 killed to every

00:37:10.620 combatant killed

00:37:11.360 in Iraq

00:37:12.200 three civilians

00:37:13.720 killed to every

00:37:14.380 combatant killed

00:37:15.020 by NATO forces

00:37:16.260 that shows you

00:37:18.920 I think the

00:37:19.840 a much more

00:37:20.620 terrible but

00:37:21.380 much more

00:37:22.460 favourable ratio

00:37:24.000 of civilian to

00:37:25.260 combatant deaths

00:37:26.040 in this kind of

00:37:27.060 conflict

00:37:27.440 Colonel I mean

00:37:28.880 the Israelis in

00:37:29.640 many ways haven't

00:37:30.300 helped themselves

00:37:30.840 as well

00:37:31.420 they've been

00:37:32.040 in the paper

00:37:33.000 today David Cameron

00:37:34.040 came out and

00:37:34.760 condemned some of

00:37:35.520 the rhetoric that

00:37:36.320 the Israeli

00:37:36.940 I think it was

00:37:37.780 the Israeli

00:37:38.160 finance minister

00:37:39.880 said

00:37:40.780 said that

00:37:41.640 you know

00:37:41.960 if

00:37:42.220 2 million

00:37:43.540 people

00:37:44.140 you know

00:37:44.540 have to

00:37:44.960 withhold

00:37:45.380 water and

00:37:46.340 food to

00:37:46.620 2 million

00:37:47.000 people in

00:37:47.480 order to

00:37:47.700 get the

00:37:47.960 hostages

00:37:48.440 back

00:37:48.800 he was quite

00:37:49.740 happy with

00:37:50.340 that

00:37:50.540 that is

00:37:50.920 obviously

00:37:51.260 deeply

00:37:51.700 unhelpful

00:37:52.320 to put it

00:37:52.920 mildly

00:37:53.320 also as well

00:37:54.380 if we look

00:37:54.880 at the

00:37:55.140 attack

00:37:55.660 on the

00:37:56.500 UN base

00:37:57.500 in northern

00:37:58.080 Lebanon

00:37:58.500 even Georgia

00:37:59.800 Maloney who

00:38:00.440 you would

00:38:00.680 think would

00:38:01.240 be pro

00:38:01.720 Israeli

00:38:02.220 came out

00:38:03.120 and said

00:38:03.680 that those

00:38:04.080 actions were

00:38:04.640 unacceptable

00:38:05.280 do you

00:38:06.480 wonder

00:38:06.620 could you

00:38:07.200 just explain

00:38:08.020 to the

00:38:08.640 viewers and

00:38:09.080 listeners

00:38:09.500 about that

00:38:10.360 incident

00:38:10.860 and your

00:38:11.540 own

00:38:11.740 perspective

00:38:12.120 on it

00:38:12.620 about the

00:38:13.680 UN

00:38:14.040 yeah about

00:38:14.800 the UN

00:38:15.180 in Lebanon

00:38:15.940 yeah I

00:38:16.620 mean the

00:38:17.700 the first

00:38:19.620 thing to say

00:38:20.040 about that

00:38:20.400 is that

00:38:21.500 as far as

00:38:22.720 I know

00:38:23.180 I don't

00:38:23.660 know of

00:38:23.900 any

00:38:24.060 conflict

00:38:24.560 and I've

00:38:25.000 been

00:38:25.120 involved

00:38:25.660 myself

00:38:26.120 in UN

00:38:26.540 missions

00:38:27.020 I don't

00:38:28.740 know of

00:38:28.960 any

00:38:29.120 conflict

00:38:29.580 in which

00:38:30.220 a UN

00:38:31.060 peacekeeping

00:38:31.740 force has

00:38:32.320 remained

00:38:32.700 in place

00:38:33.440 if one

00:38:35.220 of the

00:38:35.920 parties to

00:38:36.700 the

00:38:36.860 conflict

00:38:37.360 doesn't

00:38:38.600 think they

00:38:38.960 should be

00:38:39.240 there

00:38:39.520 says they

00:38:39.960 shouldn't

00:38:40.200 be there

00:38:40.620 normally

00:38:41.700 they

00:38:41.940 withdraw

00:38:42.420 straight

00:38:43.420 away

00:38:43.800 sorry

00:38:44.420 can I

00:38:44.780 apologize

00:38:45.620 for interrupting

00:38:46.260 so early

00:38:46.660 into your

00:38:46.920 answer

00:38:47.140 but as

00:38:47.760 it

00:38:47.920 personally

00:38:48.240 knows

00:38:48.480 nothing

00:38:48.780 about

00:38:49.160 it

00:38:49.360 isn't

00:38:49.700 the

00:38:49.860 point

00:38:50.100 of

00:38:50.240 peacekeepers

00:38:50.740 to stay

00:38:51.700 in place

00:38:52.140 so that

00:38:52.400 fighting

00:38:52.780 doesn't

00:38:53.080 happen

00:38:53.400 not

00:38:54.080 no

00:38:54.480 that's

00:38:55.640 not

00:38:55.820 what

00:38:56.000 they

00:38:56.140 do

00:38:56.380 it's

00:38:56.600 and

00:38:56.820 they

00:38:57.040 have

00:38:57.240 they

00:38:57.440 can

00:38:57.600 they're

00:38:58.160 not

00:38:58.300 they don't

00:38:58.660 take part

00:38:59.200 in the

00:38:59.440 fighting

00:38:59.700 they don't

00:39:00.020 resist

00:39:00.420 one side

00:39:01.380 or another

00:39:01.640 they're

00:39:01.880 not human

00:39:02.360 shields

00:39:02.880 not supposed

00:39:03.560 to be

00:39:03.800 human

00:39:04.000 shields

00:39:04.340 they're

00:39:05.200 there

00:39:05.440 to

00:39:05.900 maintain

00:39:06.220 peace

00:39:06.660 between

00:39:07.060 one

00:39:07.860 two

00:39:08.220 or more

00:39:08.700 parties

00:39:09.320 who have

00:39:10.320 agreed

00:39:10.700 for them

00:39:11.520 to be

00:39:11.800 there

00:39:11.980 because

00:39:12.220 they

00:39:12.420 want

00:39:12.660 peace

00:39:13.080 and

00:39:14.280 so

00:39:15.000 in

00:39:15.700 pretty

00:39:16.320 much

00:39:16.520 every

00:39:16.780 case

00:39:17.220 they

00:39:17.920 withdraw

00:39:18.280 when

00:39:18.660 one

00:39:19.000 or

00:39:19.160 the

00:39:19.300 other

00:39:19.440 party

00:39:19.800 doesn't

00:39:20.200 agree

00:39:20.540 for them

00:39:20.840 to be

00:39:21.080 there

00:39:21.260 no

00:39:21.400 longer

00:39:21.620 that

00:39:23.500 organization

00:39:24.620 UNIFIL

00:39:25.200 in Lebanon

00:39:25.700 was put

00:39:26.200 in place

00:39:26.640 there

00:39:26.880 to

00:39:27.100 maintain

00:39:28.420 the

00:39:28.700 demilitarization

00:39:29.640 or to

00:39:30.180 enforce

00:39:31.480 and maintain

00:39:32.240 the

00:39:32.440 demilitarization

00:39:33.220 of southern

00:39:34.140 Lebanon

00:39:34.540 after the

00:39:35.660 2006

00:39:36.420 war

00:39:36.940 it

00:39:38.620 hasn't

00:39:38.920 done

00:39:39.140 that

00:39:39.480 it

00:39:39.940 allowed

00:39:40.860 under

00:39:41.220 its

00:39:41.460 noses

00:39:41.820 it

00:39:41.960 allowed

00:39:42.400 Hezbollah

00:39:43.280 to

00:39:43.740 totally

00:39:44.740 militarize

00:39:45.380 southern

00:39:45.680 Lebanon

00:39:46.000 we've

00:39:47.020 seen

00:39:47.220 footage

00:39:47.580 of

00:39:47.940 Hezbollah

00:39:49.120 tunnel

00:39:49.500 entrances

00:39:50.420 right beside

00:39:51.640 UN bases

00:39:52.300 not reported

00:39:53.440 by the

00:39:53.820 UN to

00:39:54.240 anybody

00:39:54.600 so

00:39:55.600 they

00:39:57.120 failed

00:39:57.760 in their

00:39:58.080 mission

00:39:58.380 the

00:39:59.120 IDF

00:39:59.600 or Israel

00:40:00.140 has

00:40:00.540 been

00:40:01.180 happy

00:40:01.460 for them

00:40:01.760 to be

00:40:02.000 there

00:40:02.180 because

00:40:02.460 they

00:40:02.700 haven't

00:40:02.940 been a

00:40:03.300 negative

00:40:03.800 factor

00:40:04.320 they've

00:40:04.580 just

00:40:04.740 been

00:40:04.960 there

00:40:05.260 but

00:40:06.160 now

00:40:06.620 when

00:40:07.340 the

00:40:07.520 IDF

00:40:07.940 now

00:40:08.280 in a

00:40:08.480 position

00:40:08.740 where

00:40:09.020 after

00:40:09.500 a

00:40:09.900 year

00:40:10.280 of

00:40:10.580 rockets

00:40:11.220 being

00:40:11.520 fired

00:40:11.940 by

00:40:12.220 Hezbollah

00:40:12.700 into

00:40:13.640 Israel

00:40:14.420 now

00:40:15.280 Israel

00:40:15.620 wants

00:40:15.900 to put

00:40:16.180 a

00:40:16.320 stop

00:40:16.540 to

00:40:16.700 that

00:40:17.000 and

00:40:17.300 is

00:40:17.440 in

00:40:17.540 a

00:40:17.660 position

00:40:17.940 to

00:40:18.120 put

00:40:18.240 a

00:40:18.360 stop

00:40:18.560 to

00:40:18.720 it

00:40:18.860 they

00:40:19.440 don't

00:40:19.700 want

00:40:19.960 the

00:40:20.480 UN

00:40:20.700 in

00:40:20.880 the

00:40:20.960 way

00:40:21.240 because

00:40:21.880 they

00:40:22.060 don't

00:40:22.260 want

00:40:22.420 to

00:40:22.540 kill

00:40:22.820 UN

00:40:23.640 peace

00:40:23.960 keepers

00:40:24.280 and

00:40:24.380 they

00:40:24.480 will

00:40:24.620 do

00:40:24.740 their

00:40:24.940 utmost

00:40:25.260 to

00:40:25.580 avoid

00:40:25.920 anything

00:40:26.220 like

00:40:26.460 that

00:40:26.700 and

00:40:27.740 the

00:40:28.080 Israeli

00:40:28.400 Prime

00:40:28.760 Minister

00:40:29.080 has

00:40:29.360 appealed

00:40:29.800 to

00:40:30.000 the

00:40:30.180 Secretary

00:40:30.440 General

00:40:30.740 of the

00:40:30.920 UN to

00:40:31.320 withdraw

00:40:31.660 UNIFIL

00:40:32.180 he won't

00:40:33.140 do it

00:40:33.480 he said

00:40:33.880 absolutely

00:40:34.260 clearly

00:40:34.760 they will

00:40:35.180 not

00:40:35.480 leave

00:40:35.920 you've

00:40:37.040 got to

00:40:37.220 ask

00:40:37.420 the

00:40:37.560 question

00:40:38.020 why

00:40:38.440 because

00:40:38.780 what

00:40:39.020 that

00:40:39.200 effectively

00:40:39.700 does

00:40:40.200 it

00:40:40.700 makes

00:40:41.000 them

00:40:41.240 human

00:40:41.540 shields

00:40:42.080 for

00:40:43.040 Hezbollah

00:40:43.500 I

00:40:45.360 can't

00:40:46.280 really

00:40:46.800 rationalize

00:40:47.620 the

00:40:48.220 Secretary

00:40:48.480 General's

00:40:48.940 decision

00:40:49.260 in

00:40:49.500 any

00:40:49.740 other

00:40:49.940 way

00:40:50.300 so

00:40:51.800 that's

00:40:52.180 where

00:40:52.800 we are

00:40:53.160 with

00:40:53.360 that

00:40:53.620 and

00:40:53.920 Israel

00:40:54.480 wants

00:40:54.880 them

00:40:55.060 away

00:40:55.320 so

00:40:55.560 it

00:40:55.700 can

00:40:55.840 deal

00:40:56.020 with

00:40:56.200 Hezbollah

00:40:56.600 the

00:40:57.220 UN

00:40:57.400 wants

00:40:57.760 them

00:40:57.880 to

00:40:58.020 stay

00:40:58.200 there

00:40:58.380 to

00:40:58.500 shield

00:40:58.760 Hezbollah

00:40:59.160 presumably

00:40:59.760 the

00:41:00.680 incident

00:41:01.020 in

00:41:01.280 question

00:41:01.660 I

00:41:02.140 don't

00:41:02.300 know

00:41:02.440 the

00:41:02.580 full

00:41:02.740 details

00:41:03.180 but

00:41:03.400 my

00:41:03.600 understanding

00:41:04.080 is

00:41:04.360 that

00:41:04.520 there

00:41:04.680 was

00:41:04.900 some

00:41:05.680 kind

00:41:05.900 of

00:41:06.060 firefight

00:41:06.440 went

00:41:06.920 on

00:41:07.120 in

00:41:07.260 the

00:41:07.400 vicinity

00:41:07.760 of

00:41:08.020 this

00:41:08.160 UN

00:41:08.380 base

00:41:08.760 Israeli

00:41:10.340 tanks

00:41:10.720 were

00:41:10.920 sent

00:41:11.120 to

00:41:11.280 come

00:41:11.460 and

00:41:11.680 rescue

00:41:12.320 Israeli

00:41:14.240 casualties

00:41:14.820 nearby

00:41:15.220 and

00:41:16.180 one

00:41:16.400 of

00:41:16.520 these

00:41:17.240 tanks

00:41:17.520 reversed

00:41:17.940 into

00:41:18.280 the

00:41:18.460 gateway

00:41:18.780 of

00:41:19.020 the

00:41:19.120 UN

00:41:19.320 base

00:41:19.640 I

00:41:19.800 don't

00:41:19.940 think

00:41:20.100 it

00:41:20.180 was

00:41:20.340 a

00:41:20.540 deliberate

00:41:20.820 or

00:41:21.120 intentional

00:41:21.560 attack

00:41:22.520 on

00:41:22.700 the

00:41:22.820 UN

00:41:23.020 base

00:41:23.440 okay

00:41:24.340 so

00:41:25.140 broadening

00:41:26.000 out

00:41:26.240 and

00:41:26.400 looking

00:41:26.720 at

00:41:27.040 Lebanon

00:41:27.480 it's

00:41:29.220 because

00:41:29.620 people

00:41:29.940 talk

00:41:30.260 about

00:41:30.480 Lebanon

00:41:30.780 a lot

00:41:31.120 I

00:41:31.260 have

00:41:31.400 family

00:41:31.720 actually

00:41:32.120 in

00:41:32.440 Lebanon

00:41:32.700 it's

00:41:33.100 not

00:41:33.400 what

00:41:33.660 people

00:41:34.040 think

00:41:34.600 it's

00:41:34.980 not

00:41:35.420 really

00:41:35.680 a

00:41:35.860 functioning

00:41:36.480 state

00:41:37.100 could

00:41:37.760 you

00:41:37.880 talk

00:41:38.140 a

00:41:38.300 little

00:41:38.460 bit

00:41:38.640 about

00:41:38.960 it

00:41:39.120 the

00:41:39.260 challenges

00:41:39.740 that

00:41:40.760 Israel

00:41:41.240 faces

00:41:41.800 with

00:41:42.100 Hezbollah

00:41:42.720 because

00:41:43.320 Hezbollah

00:41:43.840 aren't

00:41:44.260 really in

00:41:44.660 control

00:41:45.000 of all

00:41:45.500 of

00:41:45.640 Lebanon

00:41:45.900 are

00:41:46.240 they

00:41:46.400 as

00:41:46.600 well

00:41:46.860 no

00:41:47.700 Hezbollah

00:41:48.480 stress

00:41:51.660 again

00:41:52.060 an

00:41:52.300 Iranian

00:41:52.820 proxy

00:41:53.720 created

00:41:55.300 by

00:41:55.620 Iran

00:41:56.040 Hezbollah

00:41:57.260 has huge

00:41:57.820 influence

00:41:58.280 over

00:41:58.540 Lebanon

00:41:58.840 it

00:41:59.100 forms

00:41:59.380 part

00:41:59.660 of

00:41:59.760 the

00:41:59.860 government

00:42:00.140 of

00:42:00.360 Lebanon

00:42:00.660 it

00:42:01.460 basically

00:42:01.940 is

00:42:02.160 the

00:42:02.340 major

00:42:02.740 military

00:42:03.220 force

00:42:03.720 in

00:42:04.020 Lebanon

00:42:04.680 the

00:42:05.000 Lebanese

00:42:05.720 have

00:42:05.900 their own

00:42:06.220 armed

00:42:06.440 forces

00:42:06.800 but

00:42:07.000 they

00:42:07.100 wouldn't

00:42:08.300 stand

00:42:09.440 much

00:42:09.640 of

00:42:09.720 a

00:42:09.840 chance

00:42:10.120 against

00:42:10.460 Hezbollah

00:42:10.820 and

00:42:11.080 dare

00:42:11.340 not

00:42:11.600 do

00:42:11.840 anything

00:42:12.180 to

00:42:12.360 Hezbollah

00:42:12.740 so

00:42:13.440 effectively

00:42:13.940 you've

00:42:14.240 got

00:42:14.360 a

00:42:14.860 kind

00:42:15.020 of

00:42:15.140 canterous

00:42:15.800 growth

00:42:16.240 inside

00:42:16.720 Lebanon

00:42:17.100 which

00:42:17.400 is

00:42:17.580 Hezbollah

00:42:18.080 which

00:42:18.780 has

00:42:18.920 done

00:42:19.120 immense

00:42:19.660 damage

00:42:20.060 to

00:42:20.240 the

00:42:20.340 whole

00:42:20.500 country

00:42:20.940 but

00:42:21.660 is

00:42:21.840 very

00:42:22.080 hard

00:42:22.420 for

00:42:22.600 anybody

00:42:22.940 to

00:42:23.220 resist

00:42:23.540 many

00:42:23.900 of

00:42:24.080 the

00:42:24.400 remain

00:42:24.800 particularly

00:42:25.960 the

00:42:26.240 non-shir

00:42:26.900 population

00:42:27.640 inside

00:42:28.960 Lebanon

00:42:29.380 resent

00:42:30.320 and hate

00:42:30.820 Hezbollah

00:42:31.260 but

00:42:31.840 can't

00:42:32.180 do

00:42:32.320 anything

00:42:32.580 about

00:42:32.900 it

00:42:33.080 and

00:42:33.240 many

00:42:37.100 in one

00:42:38.760 way or

00:42:39.000 another

00:42:39.200 have been

00:42:39.480 supporting

00:42:39.960 what

00:42:40.200 Israel

00:42:40.460 is

00:42:40.580 trying

00:42:40.760 to

00:42:40.900 do

00:42:41.040 against

00:42:41.320 Hezbollah

00:42:41.740 so

00:42:42.900 that's

00:42:43.600 what

00:42:43.980 you've

00:42:44.180 got

00:42:44.340 and

00:42:44.660 Israel

00:42:45.260 doesn't

00:42:46.360 I think

00:42:46.720 Israel

00:42:47.020 specified

00:42:47.660 very

00:42:48.040 clearly

00:42:48.400 that

00:42:48.620 it's

00:42:49.360 not

00:42:49.540 at war

00:42:49.880 with

00:42:50.080 Lebanon

00:42:50.400 it

00:42:51.000 does

00:42:51.140 not

00:42:51.320 want

00:42:51.540 to

00:42:51.680 attack

00:42:52.020 the

00:42:52.180 Lebanese

00:42:52.580 people

00:42:52.900 it

00:42:53.060 doesn't

00:42:53.280 want

00:42:53.460 to

00:42:53.600 attack

00:42:53.880 the

00:42:54.000 Lebanese

00:42:54.300 government

00:42:54.640 or

00:42:54.840 armed

00:42:55.060 forces

00:42:55.520 but

00:42:56.520 it

00:42:56.640 has

00:42:56.820 to

00:42:56.960 deal

00:42:57.140 with

00:42:57.320 Hezbollah

00:42:57.700 and

00:42:58.520 actually

00:42:59.080 when

00:42:59.700 you

00:42:59.820 look

00:43:00.020 at

00:43:00.140 it

00:43:00.400 it

00:43:01.640 it's

00:43:03.020 a

00:43:03.160 situation

00:43:03.840 that's

00:43:04.060 not

00:43:04.340 totally

00:43:04.820 dissimilar

00:43:05.360 from

00:43:05.560 Gaza

00:43:05.900 in as

00:43:06.280 much

00:43:06.500 as

00:43:06.680 yes

00:43:07.240 in

00:43:07.440 Gaza

00:43:07.780 Hamas

00:43:08.220 were

00:43:08.400 the

00:43:08.620 government

00:43:10.120 of

00:43:10.380 Gaza

00:43:10.660 whereas

00:43:11.200 Hezbollah

00:43:11.740 is only

00:43:12.180 part of

00:43:12.560 the

00:43:12.660 government

00:43:12.900 of

00:43:13.120 Lebanon

00:43:13.380 but

00:43:14.140 you've

00:43:14.380 got

00:43:14.680 a

00:43:15.900 situation

00:43:16.340 where

00:43:16.560 Israel

00:43:16.880 certainly

00:43:17.320 does

00:43:17.520 not

00:43:17.740 want

00:43:18.160 doesn't

00:43:19.580 consider

00:43:19.960 itself

00:43:20.280 at war

00:43:20.720 with

00:43:20.920 the

00:43:21.060 people

00:43:21.360 of

00:43:21.560 Gaza

00:43:21.900 nor

00:43:22.540 with

00:43:22.700 the

00:43:22.820 people

00:43:23.060 of

00:43:23.220 Lebanon

00:43:23.440 just

00:43:23.700 these

00:43:23.920 terrorist

00:43:24.280 entities

00:43:24.740 that

00:43:24.980 threaten

00:43:25.340 Israel

00:43:25.700 from

00:43:25.980 within

00:43:26.240 them

00:43:26.460 and

00:43:27.280 how

00:43:27.740 do

00:43:27.940 you

00:43:28.100 see

00:43:28.300 this

00:43:28.520 progressing

00:43:29.040 because

00:43:29.660 to

00:43:30.100 me

00:43:30.380 as

00:43:30.780 a

00:43:30.920 complete

00:43:31.240 layman

00:43:31.600 I'm

00:43:31.820 looking

00:43:32.060 at it

00:43:32.340 and

00:43:32.480 thinking

00:43:32.740 this

00:43:33.280 is

00:43:33.460 only

00:43:33.840 ever

00:43:34.100 going

00:43:34.280 to

00:43:34.360 get

00:43:34.520 worse

00:43:34.960 I

00:43:37.520 think

00:43:37.740 you

00:43:37.900 could

00:43:38.060 be

00:43:38.220 forgiven

00:43:38.560 for

00:43:38.820 thinking

00:43:39.080 that

00:43:39.320 as

00:43:39.480 well

00:43:39.660 when

00:43:40.100 you

00:43:40.220 look

00:43:40.380 at

00:43:40.480 the

00:43:40.580 history

00:43:40.840 of

00:43:40.980 the

00:43:41.080 Middle

00:43:41.220 East

00:43:41.460 but

00:43:42.460 I

00:43:42.620 think

00:43:42.860 we

00:43:43.360 may

00:43:43.600 be

00:43:43.760 at

00:43:43.880 a

00:43:44.000 point

00:43:44.220 where

00:43:44.600 it

00:43:45.080 will

00:43:45.740 be

00:43:45.900 better

00:43:46.240 if

00:43:47.000 Israel

00:43:48.340 is

00:43:49.060 able

00:43:49.400 to

00:43:49.640 complete

00:43:50.020 the

00:43:50.220 destruction

00:43:50.680 of

00:43:51.040 Hamas

00:43:51.800 and

00:43:52.680 then

00:43:53.060 if

00:43:54.020 something

00:43:54.400 is put

00:43:54.800 in

00:43:54.980 place

00:43:55.420 that's

00:43:57.200 not

00:43:57.480 Hamas

00:43:57.940 in

00:43:58.200 Gaza

00:43:58.520 to

00:43:58.740 run

00:43:59.040 Gaza

00:43:59.460 and

00:43:59.780 that's

00:44:00.060 one

00:44:00.460 of

00:44:00.540 the

00:44:00.640 greatest

00:44:00.940 challenges

00:44:01.420 there

00:44:01.660 are

00:44:01.860 options

00:44:02.280 on

00:44:02.460 the

00:44:02.960 table

00:44:03.380 for

00:44:03.620 Gaza

00:44:03.960 and

00:44:04.600 that

00:44:04.780 includes

00:44:05.360 maybe

00:44:06.600 involvement

00:44:07.100 of

00:44:07.300 the

00:44:07.440 UAE

00:44:07.900 or

00:44:08.100 other

00:44:08.340 Arab

00:44:08.580 countries

00:44:09.180 the

00:44:10.860 governance

00:44:11.540 of

00:44:11.900 Gaza

00:44:12.200 maybe

00:44:12.780 on

00:44:13.000 a

00:44:13.120 kind

00:44:13.300 of

00:44:13.420 a

00:44:14.180 regional

00:44:16.740 basis

00:44:17.180 within

00:44:17.540 the

00:44:17.980 Gaza

00:44:18.720 Strip

00:44:19.160 by

00:44:19.560 local

00:44:20.480 strongmen

00:44:21.080 who

00:44:21.320 are not

00:44:22.160 Hamas

00:44:22.560 affiliated

00:44:23.040 but

00:44:23.260 can

00:44:23.460 control

00:44:24.080 Gaza

00:44:24.480 some

00:44:25.200 kind

00:44:25.720 of

00:44:25.840 situation

00:44:26.300 like

00:44:26.560 that

00:44:26.740 with

00:44:26.940 the

00:44:27.080 IDF

00:44:27.580 which

00:44:28.300 must

00:44:28.700 remain

00:44:29.040 there

00:44:29.280 in

00:44:29.400 my

00:44:29.600 view

00:44:29.820 to

00:44:30.060 maintain

00:44:31.380 overall

00:44:31.880 security

00:44:32.380 and

00:44:32.580 prevent

00:44:32.960 the

00:44:33.900 re-establishment

00:44:36.800 of

00:44:37.020 Hamas

00:44:37.400 or something

00:44:37.940 similar to

00:44:38.560 Hamas

00:44:38.880 again

00:44:39.140 that has

00:44:39.580 to be

00:44:39.940 part of

00:44:40.640 it

00:44:40.740 but if

00:44:41.040 that's

00:44:41.300 the

00:44:41.420 case

00:44:41.720 then

00:44:42.000 you

00:44:42.720 could

00:44:43.160 have

00:44:43.380 a

00:44:43.540 form

00:44:43.760 of

00:44:43.920 stability

00:44:44.360 in

00:44:44.640 Gaza

00:44:44.920 probably

00:44:45.500 not

00:44:45.800 dissimilar

00:44:46.440 to

00:44:46.640 the

00:44:46.940 extent

00:44:47.740 of

00:44:47.960 stability

00:44:48.420 in

00:44:48.640 the

00:44:48.760 West

00:44:48.980 Bank

00:44:49.220 which

00:44:49.460 isn't

00:44:49.720 great

00:44:50.120 but

00:44:50.660 nevertheless

00:44:51.060 you

00:44:51.560 don't

00:44:51.840 have

00:44:52.040 anything

00:44:52.400 like

00:44:52.600 the

00:44:52.720 kind

00:44:52.900 of

00:44:53.000 threat

00:44:53.200 that

00:44:53.380 came

00:44:53.560 from

00:44:53.760 Gaza

00:44:54.140 towards

00:44:55.120 Israel

00:44:55.440 from

00:44:55.660 the

00:44:55.800 West

00:44:56.000 Bank

00:44:56.200 there

00:44:56.360 are

00:44:56.520 threats

00:44:56.920 but

00:44:57.100 they

00:44:57.280 are

00:44:57.460 under

00:44:57.720 control

00:44:58.100 because

00:44:58.380 Israel

00:44:58.740 has a

00:44:59.480 presence

00:44:59.820 there

00:45:00.000 a

00:45:00.100 military

00:45:00.380 presence

00:45:00.780 there

00:45:01.040 and

00:45:01.580 in

00:45:01.760 Lebanon

00:45:02.040 we've

00:45:02.400 seen

00:45:02.720 extraordinary

00:45:04.180 damage

00:45:04.620 done

00:45:04.860 to

00:45:05.000 Hezbollah

00:45:05.360 it's

00:45:05.560 been

00:45:05.700 decapitated

00:45:06.440 the

00:45:07.220 leader

00:45:07.560 Hassan

00:45:08.660 Nasrallah

00:45:09.080 has been

00:45:11.500 killed

00:45:11.920 thousands

00:45:13.200 of his

00:45:13.700 other

00:45:14.120 leaders

00:45:14.460 have been

00:45:14.820 killed

00:45:15.080 by

00:45:15.340 extraordinary

00:45:16.500 pager

00:45:17.000 and walkie

00:45:17.520 talkie

00:45:17.860 attack

00:45:18.240 plus

00:45:18.840 airstrikes

00:45:19.560 and other

00:45:20.040 military

00:45:20.960 efforts

00:45:21.420 so

00:45:22.260 Hezbollah

00:45:24.220 is really

00:45:25.020 reeling

00:45:25.500 in Lebanon

00:45:26.180 it's not

00:45:27.100 finished

00:45:27.580 it's been

00:45:29.040 badly

00:45:29.520 written down

00:45:30.160 if Israel

00:45:31.040 is allowed

00:45:31.540 to

00:45:31.860 I wouldn't

00:45:33.120 describe it

00:45:33.540 as finishing

00:45:33.940 off

00:45:34.320 but at least

00:45:34.960 take control

00:45:36.800 of the

00:45:37.740 southern area

00:45:38.420 of Lebanon

00:45:39.000 which presents

00:45:40.300 the greatest

00:45:40.860 threat to

00:45:41.460 Israel

00:45:41.860 it's the

00:45:42.440 area that

00:45:43.020 was dominated

00:45:43.680 above all

00:45:44.200 by Hezbollah

00:45:44.880 and Israel

00:45:46.600 is afraid

00:45:47.840 of and

00:45:49.280 has been

00:45:49.660 afraid

00:45:50.060 of a

00:45:50.640 kind of

00:45:51.200 7th of

00:45:51.640 October

00:45:51.960 coming from

00:45:52.700 Lebanon

00:45:53.780 into northern

00:45:54.900 Israel

00:45:55.360 and once

00:45:56.480 Hezbollah

00:45:57.760 has been

00:45:58.140 got rid of

00:45:59.200 from that

00:45:59.600 area

00:46:00.020 which was

00:46:00.620 the original

00:46:01.120 UN intention

00:46:01.920 after the

00:46:02.460 2006 war

00:46:03.720 then I

00:46:05.480 think we

00:46:05.860 could see

00:46:06.400 further

00:46:06.920 stability

00:46:07.520 we could

00:46:09.760 not see

00:46:10.300 the end

00:46:10.580 of the

00:46:10.800 conflict

00:46:11.160 there

00:46:11.400 but we

00:46:11.680 could

00:46:11.820 certainly

00:46:12.160 see

00:46:12.540 I think

00:46:13.300 a suppression

00:46:14.240 of the

00:46:14.580 conflict

00:46:14.900 there

00:46:15.180 then it's

00:46:16.060 up to

00:46:16.460 somebody

00:46:17.500 to try

00:46:18.640 and deal

00:46:19.040 with

00:46:19.360 to

00:46:19.720 basically

00:46:20.920 to restore

00:46:21.620 Lebanon

00:46:22.000 and to

00:46:22.380 try and

00:46:22.680 get rid

00:46:22.960 of the

00:46:23.300 Hezbollah

00:46:24.120 elements

00:46:24.620 out of

00:46:24.920 the rest

00:46:25.220 of Lebanon

00:46:25.640 if possible

00:46:26.220 or remove

00:46:26.760 their power

00:46:27.960 so I think

00:46:28.860 both those

00:46:29.340 countries

00:46:29.740 we could

00:46:30.200 see

00:46:30.460 greater

00:46:31.000 stability

00:46:31.580 than we've

00:46:32.000 seen

00:46:32.200 for a

00:46:33.100 number

00:46:33.280 of years

00:46:33.680 but there's

00:46:34.100 still this

00:46:34.720 underlying

00:46:35.600 conflict

00:46:36.220 between

00:46:36.880 the

00:46:37.680 Palestinian

00:46:38.200 Arabs

00:46:38.620 and Israel

00:46:39.280 which shows

00:46:40.140 no sign

00:46:40.620 of a

00:46:40.820 well

00:46:41.000 no

00:46:41.160 the underlying

00:46:42.200 conflict

00:46:42.760 based

00:46:43.200 simply on

00:46:43.840 the logic

00:46:44.200 of what

00:46:44.620 you said

00:46:45.280 is this

00:46:46.180 still

00:46:46.540 Iran

00:46:47.120 and this

00:46:47.960 is why

00:46:48.300 I don't

00:46:49.020 forgive me

00:46:49.620 just again

00:46:50.480 as an

00:46:50.820 outside observer

00:46:51.480 don't really

00:46:51.920 buy the

00:46:52.360 argument

00:46:52.620 you're making

00:46:53.100 because

00:46:53.620 it looks

00:46:54.700 to me

00:46:55.160 more like

00:46:55.780 correct me

00:46:56.500 if I'm

00:46:56.760 wrong

00:46:56.960 of course

00:46:57.380 that Israel

00:46:58.800 has not

00:47:00.180 attacked Iran

00:47:01.040 because it

00:47:01.560 had the

00:47:01.880 threat of

00:47:02.260 Hezbollah

00:47:02.660 the sword

00:47:03.320 of Hezbollah

00:47:03.860 hanging over

00:47:04.800 it

00:47:05.060 so Israel

00:47:05.860 has dealt

00:47:06.240 with Gaza

00:47:06.800 as much

00:47:07.340 as it can

00:47:07.840 with Hamas

00:47:08.340 it's now

00:47:09.200 dealing with

00:47:09.780 Hezbollah

00:47:10.180 and a lot

00:47:10.640 of people

00:47:10.980 think

00:47:11.360 that's because

00:47:12.820 what they're

00:47:13.460 really doing

00:47:14.020 is setting

00:47:14.460 up the

00:47:14.860 strike on

00:47:15.320 Iran

00:47:15.580 that you

00:47:15.880 were just

00:47:16.180 talking about

00:47:16.680 being necessary

00:47:17.340 so this

00:47:18.220 isn't going

00:47:18.580 to get

00:47:18.780 better

00:47:19.060 well

00:47:19.660 it depends

00:47:20.600 what time

00:47:21.440 frame you're

00:47:21.840 talking about

00:47:22.380 Iran

00:47:23.040 as I said

00:47:23.540 before

00:47:23.800 you're right

00:47:24.320 it has to

00:47:24.820 be dealt

00:47:25.180 with

00:47:25.460 but

00:47:26.340 it's not

00:47:27.140 it isn't

00:47:27.640 the problem

00:47:28.100 isn't just

00:47:28.700 with Iran

00:47:29.220 either

00:47:29.540 if you

00:47:30.380 let's say

00:47:31.620 there's

00:47:32.020 a severe

00:47:33.220 attack on

00:47:33.740 Iran

00:47:34.020 the nuclear

00:47:34.680 missile

00:47:35.620 the nuclear

00:47:36.320 systems

00:47:36.860 are destroyed

00:47:37.320 let's say

00:47:37.900 and I don't

00:47:38.260 know if that's

00:47:38.640 going to happen

00:47:39.120 and Iran

00:47:41.240 ceases to

00:47:42.040 have the

00:47:42.420 power

00:47:42.860 to manipulate

00:47:44.820 all these

00:47:45.360 proxies around

00:47:46.140 the region

00:47:46.680 partly because

00:47:47.640 two of their

00:47:48.240 main ones

00:47:48.780 have been

00:47:49.060 destroyed

00:47:49.500 then

00:47:50.500 that doesn't

00:47:53.480 remove

00:47:53.920 Israel's

00:47:54.820 overriding

00:47:55.520 or underlying

00:47:56.600 problem

00:47:56.960 which is

00:47:57.500 not just

00:47:58.300 Iran

00:47:58.580 but Palestinian

00:47:59.280 Arabs

00:47:59.600 as well

00:48:00.080 which is

00:48:00.920 a conflict

00:48:03.360 which to me

00:48:04.140 there is no

00:48:05.360 sign of that

00:48:05.960 abating

00:48:06.380 I think

00:48:07.260 those people

00:48:08.360 who suggest

00:48:09.740 that we

00:48:11.740 can solve

00:48:12.200 everything

00:48:12.540 with a

00:48:12.820 two-state

00:48:13.220 solution

00:48:13.720 I'm sure

00:48:15.000 in many

00:48:15.360 ways that

00:48:15.760 would be

00:48:16.040 an ideal

00:48:16.540 result

00:48:17.220 it's been

00:48:17.720 what many

00:48:18.460 people have

00:48:18.900 been hoping

00:48:19.300 for and

00:48:19.700 working for

00:48:20.280 for many

00:48:20.580 years

00:48:20.860 but the

00:48:21.600 reality is

00:48:22.340 that the

00:48:22.880 Palestinians

00:48:25.000 do not

00:48:25.740 want

00:48:26.020 I'm talking

00:48:26.620 about the

00:48:26.860 Palestinian

00:48:27.300 leadership

00:48:27.800 here now

00:48:28.320 in Judea

00:48:29.240 and Samaria

00:48:29.680 the West

00:48:30.040 Bank

00:48:30.320 and in

00:48:31.080 Gaza

00:48:31.300 they don't

00:48:32.000 want a

00:48:32.400 two-state

00:48:32.800 solution

00:48:33.240 they have

00:48:34.220 never had

00:48:34.700 any intention

00:48:35.300 of a

00:48:35.600 two-state

00:48:35.960 solution

00:48:36.320 they want

00:48:36.920 a one-state

00:48:38.320 solution

00:48:38.860 dominated by

00:48:39.860 them

00:48:40.160 with them

00:48:40.640 in charge

00:48:41.080 and Israel

00:48:41.480 gone

00:48:41.880 that's

00:48:42.300 their

00:48:43.100 intention

00:48:43.580 and how

00:48:45.680 do you

00:48:46.100 reconcile

00:48:47.240 that situation

00:48:48.260 when you

00:48:48.640 maybe people

00:48:50.040 would be

00:48:50.660 in agreement

00:48:51.500 that a

00:48:51.920 two-state

00:48:52.300 solution

00:48:52.660 would be

00:48:52.860 ideal

00:48:53.180 but it

00:48:53.720 can't

00:48:54.000 happen

00:48:54.260 because the

00:48:54.760 Arabs

00:48:55.080 the

00:48:55.680 Palestinian

00:48:56.140 Arabs

00:48:56.440 don't

00:48:56.720 want it

00:48:57.140 to happen

00:48:57.520 they want

00:48:58.140 to get

00:48:58.940 rid of

00:48:59.220 Israel

00:48:59.600 and I

00:49:02.560 don't see

00:49:03.160 that changing

00:49:03.740 I don't see

00:49:04.240 how it can

00:49:04.580 change

00:49:04.920 let's

00:49:06.760 say you

00:49:07.020 create a

00:49:07.660 Palestinian

00:49:08.880 state in

00:49:09.480 the West

00:49:09.780 Bank

00:49:10.100 why would

00:49:11.920 that be

00:49:12.220 any different

00:49:12.680 from the

00:49:13.220 Palestinian

00:49:13.700 state

00:49:14.180 effectively

00:49:14.720 that existed

00:49:15.400 in Gaza

00:49:15.880 beforehand

00:49:16.400 it would

00:49:17.140 still threaten

00:49:17.740 Israel

00:49:18.120 it would

00:49:18.820 still

00:49:19.260 no doubt

00:49:20.800 attack

00:49:21.200 Israel

00:49:21.560 so therefore

00:49:22.160 Israel has

00:49:23.120 to have

00:49:23.540 military forces

00:49:24.680 there as it

00:49:25.180 has now

00:49:25.680 therefore it's

00:49:26.660 not a state

00:49:27.240 you can't

00:49:27.760 really have

00:49:28.100 a state

00:49:28.460 that doesn't

00:49:28.920 have its

00:49:30.180 own armed

00:49:30.640 forces and is

00:49:31.300 occupied by

00:49:32.140 somewhere else

00:49:32.660 is on

00:49:32.920 force

00:49:33.180 a lot

00:49:33.480 of people

00:49:33.800 are saying

00:49:34.380 and I

00:49:35.080 given what

00:49:36.200 you've said

00:49:36.560 I don't

00:49:36.800 think they're

00:49:37.420 right to

00:49:37.860 say it

00:49:38.200 but they

00:49:38.520 are saying

00:49:39.100 why doesn't

00:49:40.080 Israel

00:49:40.580 you know

00:49:40.960 Israel

00:49:41.320 occupied

00:49:42.140 Gaza

00:49:43.460 Israel

00:49:44.340 Israeli

00:49:45.240 settlers

00:49:45.700 are building

00:49:46.220 up the

00:49:46.600 West Bank

00:49:47.120 and whatever

00:49:47.500 taking over

00:49:48.060 Palestinian land

00:49:49.080 what if they

00:49:50.280 just gave

00:49:50.780 that land

00:49:51.300 not having

00:49:52.080 their own

00:49:52.480 presence

00:49:52.880 there

00:49:53.160 not controlling

00:49:54.000 what comes

00:49:55.000 in and out

00:49:55.480 of the ports

00:49:56.060 not sealing

00:49:56.940 off the border

00:49:57.640 and whatever

00:49:58.420 what if they

00:49:58.980 just gave them

00:49:59.580 the land

00:49:59.940 let them run

00:50:00.440 their own

00:50:00.760 affairs

00:50:01.120 wouldn't that

00:50:02.060 pacify the

00:50:03.440 Palestinians

00:50:03.880 no

00:50:04.640 that's what

00:50:05.620 they did

00:50:05.920 in Gaza

00:50:06.360 no it's not

00:50:07.360 because they

00:50:07.840 still retained

00:50:08.640 some level

00:50:09.240 of control

00:50:09.760 over what

00:50:10.260 comes in

00:50:10.680 from the

00:50:11.040 sea

00:50:11.280 only after

00:50:12.600 they started

00:50:13.100 getting attacked

00:50:13.680 from Gaza

00:50:14.240 right

00:50:14.620 the only

00:50:15.520 reason that

00:50:16.400 the IDF

00:50:17.460 controlled

00:50:18.060 the sea

00:50:19.080 territory

00:50:19.860 of Gaza

00:50:20.380 and

00:50:20.840 controlled

00:50:21.960 the land

00:50:22.840 border

00:50:23.280 is because

00:50:25.240 Hamas

00:50:26.740 was using

00:50:27.380 Gaza

00:50:28.140 to attack

00:50:28.700 Israel

00:50:29.060 if

00:50:29.680 I mean

00:50:30.120 when the

00:50:32.160 Israelis

00:50:32.520 left

00:50:32.920 Gaza

00:50:33.360 they left

00:50:34.160 all of

00:50:34.540 the

00:50:34.660 infrastructure

00:50:35.420 in place

00:50:36.120 including

00:50:36.520 quite a

00:50:37.040 thriving

00:50:37.440 agricultural

00:50:38.520 economy

00:50:39.080 if

00:50:40.420 the

00:50:41.440 Gazans

00:50:41.920 had said

00:50:42.700 fine

00:50:43.020 we will

00:50:43.860 have what

00:50:44.200 we've got

00:50:44.480 here

00:50:44.800 we accept

00:50:45.940 you've got

00:50:46.380 a Jewish

00:50:47.240 state

00:50:47.580 across the

00:50:48.060 border

00:50:48.260 there

00:50:48.520 we will

00:50:49.380 just live

00:50:50.200 our lives

00:50:50.840 that place

00:50:52.060 could have

00:50:52.340 been a

00:50:52.600 paradise

00:50:52.960 now

00:50:53.420 I'm sure

00:50:54.400 Israel

00:50:55.040 would have

00:50:55.400 pumped

00:50:55.640 billions

00:50:56.140 and billions

00:50:56.600 of dollars

00:50:57.140 into

00:50:57.520 keeping them

00:50:58.640 happy in

00:50:59.180 Gaza

00:50:59.400 and the

00:50:59.720 rest of

00:51:00.000 the

00:51:00.100 world

00:51:00.340 as well

00:51:00.760 but that's

00:51:01.420 not the

00:51:01.680 way it

00:51:01.900 worked out

00:51:02.440 and Israel

00:51:03.260 had to

00:51:03.660 defend

00:51:04.000 itself

00:51:04.460 against

00:51:05.020 an armed

00:51:05.780 fortress

00:51:06.300 inside

00:51:06.780 Gaza

00:51:07.100 there's no

00:51:07.840 other reason

00:51:08.400 why there

00:51:08.840 would have

00:51:09.080 been such

00:51:10.160 strict

00:51:10.660 control

00:51:11.080 of the

00:51:11.340 borders

00:51:11.660 of

00:51:11.980 Gaza

00:51:12.800 if

00:51:13.120 Israel

00:51:13.500 hadn't

00:51:14.640 faced

00:51:15.000 a threat

00:51:15.520 of

00:51:16.040 infiltration

00:51:16.740 and attack

00:51:17.120 from

00:51:17.340 Gaza

00:51:17.660 and when

00:51:18.260 people

00:51:18.460 talk

00:51:18.780 about

00:51:19.180 an

00:51:19.960 Israeli

00:51:20.420 what do

00:51:22.500 they call

00:51:22.840 it

00:51:23.060 occupation

00:51:25.540 occupation

00:51:26.100 concentration

00:51:29.260 camp

00:51:29.860 basically

00:51:32.120 surrounding

00:51:32.820 Gaza

00:51:33.200 not letting

00:51:33.700 anyone

00:51:33.960 in or out

00:51:34.920 outdoor

00:51:35.940 prison

00:51:36.320 they forget

00:51:38.660 that Gaza

00:51:39.400 also has a

00:51:40.080 border with

00:51:40.480 Egypt

00:51:40.880 Egypt also

00:51:42.020 sealed that

00:51:42.680 border

00:51:43.020 allegedly

00:51:44.200 it allowed

00:51:45.020 weapons in

00:51:45.780 through tunnel

00:51:46.440 systems

00:51:46.920 etc

00:51:47.300 but

00:51:48.160 there's not

00:51:49.560 just an

00:51:50.220 Israeli

00:51:50.540 border

00:51:50.860 with Gaza

00:51:51.260 there's also

00:51:51.700 an Egyptian

00:51:52.160 border

00:51:52.560 with Gaza

00:51:53.080 but no one

00:51:53.980 ever really

00:51:54.840 talks about

00:51:55.440 that

00:51:55.620 your central

00:51:56.140 argument

00:51:56.520 I guess

00:51:57.000 is

00:51:57.320 even if

00:51:58.400 you give

00:51:58.780 them the

00:51:59.120 land

00:51:59.520 because

00:52:00.300 it's a

00:52:01.340 religiously

00:52:02.000 driven

00:52:02.280 conflict

00:52:02.800 about

00:52:03.380 freeing

00:52:04.100 that part

00:52:04.560 of the

00:52:04.760 world

00:52:05.020 of anyone

00:52:05.460 who's

00:52:05.740 not a

00:52:06.020 Muslim

00:52:06.300 they will

00:52:08.280 continue

00:52:08.660 to attack

00:52:09.180 Israel

00:52:09.440 that's

00:52:09.700 your

00:52:09.820 argument

00:52:10.080 that's

00:52:10.780 correct

00:52:11.020 and it's

00:52:12.040 and polling

00:52:12.600 in the

00:52:13.040 West Bank

00:52:13.500 for example

00:52:14.060 including

00:52:14.580 recent polling

00:52:15.500 shows

00:52:15.900 that the

00:52:16.880 majority

00:52:17.240 of the

00:52:17.560 people in

00:52:18.120 the West

00:52:18.940 Bank

00:52:19.160 don't want

00:52:19.960 a two

00:52:20.760 state

00:52:20.980 solution

00:52:21.420 they want

00:52:22.280 rid of

00:52:22.560 Israel

00:52:22.920 this is

00:52:23.520 what

00:52:23.700 polling

00:52:24.020 shows

00:52:24.480 one

00:52:25.200 interesting

00:52:25.740 I suppose

00:52:26.960 maybe an

00:52:27.540 encouraging

00:52:28.080 note

00:52:29.480 on this

00:52:30.300 is that

00:52:30.740 the

00:52:32.180 Israeli

00:52:33.740 Arabs

00:52:34.380 in other

00:52:35.440 words

00:52:35.680 those

00:52:36.080 Palestinians

00:52:37.100 who live

00:52:37.920 within

00:52:38.780 Israel

00:52:39.500 not in

00:52:39.920 the

00:52:40.020 West Bank

00:52:40.340 not in

00:52:40.680 Gaza

00:52:40.980 there's

00:52:43.200 been a

00:52:43.840 kind of

00:52:44.160 a

00:52:44.560 mixed

00:52:46.360 relationship

00:52:47.220 between

00:52:47.960 Israeli

00:52:48.820 Jews

00:52:49.100 and Israeli

00:52:49.540 Arabs

00:52:49.820 over the

00:52:50.200 years

00:52:50.440 but

00:52:52.240 most

00:52:53.500 recent

00:52:53.960 polling

00:52:54.560 shows

00:52:55.460 a

00:52:56.540 much

00:52:56.840 much

00:52:57.100 stronger

00:52:57.500 support

00:52:58.080 for

00:52:59.020 the

00:52:59.200 state

00:52:59.460 of

00:52:59.620 Israel

00:52:59.980 and

00:53:00.440 for

00:53:00.640 Israel's

00:53:01.120 war

00:53:01.400 in

00:53:01.600 Gaza

00:53:01.980 among

00:53:03.040 the

00:53:03.340 Arab

00:53:03.640 population

00:53:04.300 inside

00:53:04.760 Israel

00:53:05.160 than

00:53:05.680 ever

00:53:05.920 existed

00:53:06.300 before

00:53:06.620 it went

00:53:06.940 up like

00:53:07.280 that

00:53:07.540 after

00:53:07.820 the

00:53:08.020 7th

00:53:08.320 of

00:53:08.420 October

00:53:08.800 and

00:53:09.600 that's

00:53:09.920 actually

00:53:10.500 quite

00:53:10.760 an

00:53:10.940 encouraging

00:53:11.360 thing

00:53:11.760 I'm

00:53:12.940 not

00:53:13.100 suggesting

00:53:13.580 that

00:53:13.980 that

00:53:15.100 attitude

00:53:15.640 can be

00:53:16.080 transferred

00:53:16.520 to

00:53:16.820 the

00:53:17.120 Arabs

00:53:17.640 inside

00:53:18.140 the

00:53:19.380 West

00:53:19.620 Bank

00:53:19.980 because

00:53:20.660 again

00:53:21.080 they

00:53:21.780 have

00:53:21.980 been

00:53:22.180 indoctrinated

00:53:22.820 like

00:53:23.160 their

00:53:23.480 counterparts

00:53:24.460 in

00:53:24.720 Gaza

00:53:24.980 they've

00:53:25.280 been

00:53:25.420 indoctrinated

00:53:26.020 with

00:53:26.280 anti-Israel

00:53:27.020 hatred

00:53:27.420 not

00:53:27.820 quite

00:53:28.220 to

00:53:28.440 the

00:53:28.560 same

00:53:28.760 extent

00:53:29.100 but

00:53:29.300 to

00:53:29.420 a

00:53:29.560 large

00:53:29.760 extent

00:53:30.120 for

00:53:30.680 many

00:53:30.900 decades

00:53:31.320 now

00:53:31.580 and

00:53:32.320 Colonel

00:53:32.640 before

00:53:33.180 we

00:53:33.380 move

00:53:33.540 on

00:53:33.700 to

00:53:33.820 our

00:53:33.980 final

00:53:34.280 question

00:53:34.800 this

00:53:35.660 I

00:53:36.680 think

00:53:36.860 what's

00:53:37.100 very

00:53:37.340 interesting

00:53:37.760 now

00:53:38.080 is

00:53:38.360 we're

00:53:38.960 going

00:53:39.020 to

00:53:39.040 have

00:53:39.160 an

00:53:39.240 election

00:53:39.520 in

00:53:39.700 the

00:53:39.800 US

00:53:40.100 literally

00:53:40.740 in

00:53:40.860 a

00:53:40.940 matter

00:53:41.120 of

00:53:41.320 weeks

00:53:41.600 how

00:53:42.380 is

00:53:42.600 that

00:53:42.920 going

00:53:43.120 to

00:53:43.240 affect

00:53:43.660 the

00:53:44.360 affairs

00:53:44.740 and

00:53:44.900 the

00:53:44.980 events

00:53:45.260 in

00:53:45.420 the

00:53:45.540 Middle

00:53:45.680 East

00:53:46.000 well

00:53:47.320 I

00:53:48.580 think

00:53:48.780 if

00:53:48.980 it

00:53:49.180 depends

00:53:49.520 who

00:53:49.720 wins

00:53:49.940 the

00:53:50.060 election

00:53:50.400 I

00:53:52.060 think

00:53:52.280 if

00:53:52.540 Kamala

00:53:53.140 Harris

00:53:53.500 wins

00:53:53.940 we're

00:53:55.620 going

00:53:55.720 to

00:53:55.800 have

00:53:55.920 a

00:53:56.040 continuation

00:53:56.480 of

00:53:57.020 the

00:53:57.440 Biden

00:53:57.900 doctrine

00:53:59.220 in

00:53:59.480 relation

00:53:59.800 to

00:53:59.980 the

00:54:00.100 Middle

00:54:00.240 East

00:54:00.440 which

00:54:00.660 was

00:54:00.820 a

00:54:00.940 continuation

00:54:01.360 of

00:54:01.740 the

00:54:01.840 Obama

00:54:02.180 doctrine

00:54:02.580 which

00:54:02.880 is

00:54:03.020 essentially

00:54:03.440 to

00:54:03.720 try

00:54:04.040 and

00:54:05.000 strengthen

00:54:07.120 and

00:54:07.480 empower

00:54:07.960 Iran

00:54:08.560 and

00:54:09.080 to

00:54:09.220 appease

00:54:10.740 and

00:54:11.480 the

00:54:11.640 purpose

00:54:11.980 behind

00:54:12.440 all

00:54:12.720 of

00:54:12.860 that

00:54:13.200 it

00:54:13.940 doesn't

00:54:14.840 really

00:54:15.100 make

00:54:15.300 much

00:54:15.540 sense

00:54:15.800 to

00:54:15.960 most

00:54:16.160 people

00:54:16.520 but

00:54:16.740 it

00:54:16.880 certainly

00:54:17.140 did

00:54:17.360 to

00:54:17.500 Obama

00:54:17.880 and

00:54:18.100 to

00:54:18.240 Biden

00:54:18.520 and

00:54:18.740 probably

00:54:19.040 to

00:54:19.260 Harris

00:54:19.540 as

00:54:19.760 well

00:54:20.000 is

00:54:21.140 because

00:54:22.360 of

00:54:22.600 the

00:54:22.720 growing

00:54:23.020 threat

00:54:23.440 from

00:54:23.880 China

00:54:24.720 in

00:54:25.880 the

00:54:25.980 Pacific

00:54:26.320 the

00:54:27.520 US

00:54:27.740 wanted

00:54:28.120 to

00:54:28.400 basically

00:54:28.860 not

00:54:29.760 wash

00:54:30.040 its

00:54:30.220 hands

00:54:30.500 off

00:54:30.700 but

00:54:31.020 remove

00:54:32.820 itself

00:54:33.320 as far

00:54:33.860 as

00:54:34.000 it

00:54:34.100 could

00:54:34.300 from

00:54:34.660 the

00:54:35.520 Middle

00:54:35.680 East

00:54:35.900 and

00:54:36.080 pivot

00:54:36.320 towards

00:54:36.720 China

00:54:37.120 and

00:54:38.100 the

00:54:38.660 idea

00:54:39.060 was

00:54:39.360 that

00:54:39.720 a

00:54:40.440 more

00:54:41.260 equal

00:54:41.540 balance

00:54:41.960 of

00:54:42.140 power

00:54:42.400 in

00:54:42.540 the

00:54:42.640 Middle

00:54:42.800 East

00:54:43.020 with

00:54:43.220 Iran

00:54:43.620 more

00:54:43.920 dominant

00:54:44.340 and

00:54:44.740 you

00:54:45.440 know

00:54:45.540 because

00:54:45.740 there

00:54:45.860 was

00:54:45.960 this

00:54:46.140 big

00:54:46.480 kind

00:54:48.180 of

00:54:48.300 balance

00:54:48.640 between

00:54:48.960 Saudi

00:54:49.320 Arabia

00:54:49.680 and

00:54:49.880 Iran

00:54:50.160 really

00:54:50.580 give

00:54:51.200 Iran

00:54:51.440 more

00:54:51.760 dominance

00:54:52.340 it

00:54:53.060 removes

00:54:53.800 some

00:54:54.460 potential

00:54:55.360 problems

00:54:55.860 in

00:54:56.020 Middle

00:54:56.240 East

00:54:56.420 doesn't

00:54:56.940 make

00:54:57.140 sense

00:54:57.420 to

00:54:57.560 me

00:54:57.700 but

00:54:57.840 that

00:54:58.000 was

00:54:58.180 the

00:54:58.400 theory

00:54:58.580 isn't

00:54:58.840 historically

00:54:59.520 two

00:55:00.980 countries

00:55:01.480 who

00:55:01.740 hate

00:55:01.960 each

00:55:02.160 other

00:55:02.340 being

00:55:02.640 at

00:55:02.800 parity

00:55:03.240 militarily

00:55:04.040 the

00:55:04.880 source

00:55:05.160 of

00:55:05.320 conflict

00:55:05.700 pretty

00:55:05.980 much

00:55:06.180 every

00:55:06.360 time

00:55:06.700 yeah

00:55:07.020 and

00:55:07.340 that's

00:55:07.560 what

00:55:07.740 I

00:55:08.000 don't

00:55:08.140 think

00:55:08.340 President

00:55:08.740 Obama

00:55:09.220 really

00:55:09.720 understood

00:55:10.120 but

00:55:10.400 that

00:55:10.560 was

00:55:10.760 his

00:55:11.080 theory

00:55:12.160 but

00:55:12.660 am I

00:55:12.920 wrong

00:55:13.100 about

00:55:13.300 that

00:55:13.480 no

00:55:13.660 you're

00:55:13.820 not

00:55:13.940 wrong

00:55:14.140 no

00:55:14.320 absolutely

00:55:14.700 right

00:55:14.960 and

00:55:15.320 that

00:55:15.520 is

00:55:16.060 that

00:55:16.380 is

00:55:16.700 a

00:55:17.860 future

00:55:18.140 problem

00:55:18.500 that

00:55:18.680 we

00:55:18.800 will

00:55:18.940 have

00:55:19.200 unless

00:55:19.640 Iran

00:55:20.260 is

00:55:20.540 contained

00:55:22.300 in

00:55:22.520 some

00:55:22.740 way

00:55:23.000 but

00:55:24.040 so

00:55:25.760 I

00:55:25.900 think

00:55:26.040 we'd

00:55:26.720 see

00:55:26.860 a

00:55:27.000 continuation

00:55:27.380 of

00:55:27.820 that

00:55:28.000 failed

00:55:28.460 doctrine

00:55:28.880 which

00:55:29.160 can

00:55:29.340 only

00:55:29.540 lead

00:55:29.740 to

00:55:29.880 greater

00:55:30.080 conflict

00:55:30.520 I

00:55:30.720 think

00:55:30.920 if

00:55:31.840 Harris

00:55:32.160 wins

00:55:32.440 the

00:55:32.700 election

00:55:33.200 and

00:55:34.440 you

00:55:35.520 know

00:55:35.640 a

00:55:35.780 desire

00:55:36.140 only

00:55:36.560 this

00:55:37.060 week

00:55:37.300 we

00:55:37.460 saw

00:55:37.800 Biden

00:55:38.820 Harris

00:55:39.740 threatening

00:55:40.340 Israel

00:55:40.840 with

00:55:41.060 an

00:55:41.180 arms

00:55:41.440 embargo

00:55:41.860 if

00:55:42.820 it

00:55:42.960 didn't

00:55:43.200 do

00:55:43.380 something

00:55:43.660 to

00:55:43.860 improve

00:55:44.240 the

00:55:44.380 humanitarian

00:55:44.800 situation

00:55:45.500 in

00:55:46.000 Gaza

00:55:47.000 we

00:55:48.960 will

00:55:49.140 see

00:55:49.400 I

00:55:49.620 think

00:55:49.800 a

00:55:49.940 continuation

00:55:50.340 of

00:55:50.720 that

00:55:50.900 approach

00:55:51.320 towards

00:55:51.760 Israel

00:55:52.160 if

00:55:52.840 Trump

00:55:53.260 becomes

00:55:53.900 president

00:55:54.420 then

00:55:55.440 I

00:55:55.580 think

00:55:55.740 we'll

00:55:55.920 see

00:55:56.080 a

00:55:56.180 different

00:55:56.400 situation

00:55:57.000 I

00:55:57.220 think

00:55:57.480 we

00:55:57.960 would

00:55:58.120 probably

00:55:58.360 see

00:55:58.580 far

00:55:58.880 stronger

00:55:59.280 support

00:55:59.720 for

00:55:59.940 Israel

00:56:00.320 and

00:56:01.200 we

00:56:01.340 would

00:56:01.500 see

00:56:01.960 I

00:56:03.620 think

00:56:03.840 probably

00:56:04.760 more

00:56:05.040 reluctance

00:56:05.740 by

00:56:06.020 Iran

00:56:06.540 to

00:56:07.780 be

00:56:07.920 aggressive

00:56:08.320 because

00:56:08.800 they

00:56:09.020 don't

00:56:09.300 know

00:56:09.620 I

00:56:10.260 think

00:56:10.440 this

00:56:10.620 is

00:56:10.820 Trump's

00:56:11.900 greatest

00:56:12.200 strength

00:56:12.660 probably

00:56:12.920 one of

00:56:13.260 his

00:56:13.380 greatest

00:56:13.680 strengths

00:56:14.160 is to

00:56:15.080 be

00:56:15.220 unpredictable

00:56:15.720 they

00:56:16.600 don't

00:56:16.820 know

00:56:17.040 what

00:56:17.240 his

00:56:17.440 reaction

00:56:17.860 is

00:56:18.000 going

00:56:18.100 to

00:56:18.160 be

00:56:18.320 to

00:56:18.440 some

00:56:18.600 of

00:56:18.700 this

00:56:18.900 some

00:56:19.380 people

00:56:19.640 say

00:56:19.880 that

00:56:20.040 if

00:56:20.160 Trump

00:56:20.400 had been

00:56:20.680 president

00:56:21.060 on the

00:56:21.400 7th

00:56:21.680 of

00:56:21.780 October

00:56:22.180 Iran

00:56:22.820 would

00:56:23.080 not

00:56:23.280 have

00:56:23.440 ordered

00:56:23.800 Hamas

00:56:25.020 to

00:56:25.200 attack

00:56:25.640 Israel

00:56:26.300 because

00:56:26.720 who

00:56:27.060 knows

00:56:27.280 how the

00:56:27.900 US

00:56:28.100 will

00:56:28.260 respond

00:56:28.620 so

00:56:30.080 so

00:56:30.100 so

00:56:30.120 I

00:56:30.240 think

00:56:30.440 as

00:56:31.400 far

00:56:31.640 Israel

00:56:32.480 and

00:56:32.800 the

00:56:32.960 Sunni

00:56:33.220 countries

00:56:33.700 are

00:56:33.820 concerned

00:56:34.280 in

00:56:35.060 the

00:56:35.160 Middle

00:56:35.320 East

00:56:35.520 a

00:56:35.680 Trump

00:56:36.020 victory

00:56:36.640 would

00:56:36.920 be

00:56:37.100 the

00:56:37.320 preferred

00:56:37.900 outcome

00:56:38.420 as far

00:56:39.140 as

00:56:39.280 Iran

00:56:39.540 is

00:56:39.680 concerned

00:56:40.000 I

00:56:40.200 think

00:56:40.320 they

00:56:40.460 probably

00:56:40.700 prefer

00:56:41.020 to

00:56:41.180 see

00:56:41.320 Harris

00:56:41.620 before

00:56:42.880 we

00:56:43.080 go

00:56:43.260 to

00:56:43.520 our

00:56:43.740 last

00:56:43.920 question

00:56:44.160 I

00:56:44.260 had

00:56:44.380 one

00:56:44.580 more

00:56:44.740 thing

00:56:44.920 I

00:56:45.000 wanted

00:56:45.200 to

00:56:45.380 ask

00:56:45.560 you

00:56:45.680 mentioned

00:56:46.060 earlier

00:56:46.380 about

00:56:46.740 the

00:56:47.440 West

00:56:47.740 having

00:56:48.020 been

00:56:48.240 defeated

00:56:48.640 in

00:56:48.860 Afghanistan

00:56:49.300 in Iraq

00:56:49.900 and you

00:56:50.160 were of course

00:56:50.480 part of the

00:56:50.960 Afghanistan

00:56:51.340 operations

00:56:52.000 with the

00:56:52.340 UK

00:56:52.580 forces

00:56:53.160 not

00:56:53.780 militarily

00:56:54.380 defeated

00:56:54.860 but

00:56:55.160 politically

00:56:55.640 and

00:56:56.080 in

00:56:56.520 other

00:56:56.680 ways

00:56:56.980 do

00:56:58.340 you

00:56:58.540 think

00:56:58.920 some

00:56:59.340 of

00:56:59.500 the

00:56:59.640 reaction

00:57:00.120 from

00:57:00.680 people

00:57:02.280 who

00:57:02.540 are

00:57:02.660 not

00:57:02.880 informed

00:57:03.320 and

00:57:03.540 neutral

00:57:03.920 about

00:57:04.600 the

00:57:05.280 conflict

00:57:05.640 in

00:57:05.820 Israel

00:57:06.040 who

00:57:06.200 are

00:57:06.280 just

00:57:06.420 looking

00:57:06.680 at

00:57:06.900 it

00:57:07.080 is

00:57:07.940 kind

00:57:08.340 of

00:57:08.560 because

00:57:09.320 in

00:57:09.800 the

00:57:09.940 West

00:57:10.320 we've

00:57:11.160 lost

00:57:12.100 the

00:57:12.340 will

00:57:12.580 to

00:57:12.940 win

00:57:13.200 do

00:57:14.640 you

00:57:14.700 think

00:57:14.800 that

00:57:15.000 I

00:57:15.500 don't

00:57:15.620 know

00:57:15.740 if

00:57:15.860 that

00:57:16.020 makes

00:57:16.300 any

00:57:16.500 sense

00:57:16.780 but

00:57:17.020 it

00:57:17.220 just

00:57:17.400 feels

00:57:17.680 to

00:57:17.860 me

00:57:18.000 like

00:57:18.280 when

00:57:18.820 we

00:57:18.960 talk

00:57:19.220 about

00:57:19.460 conflicts

00:57:20.080 now

00:57:20.500 the

00:57:21.280 fact

00:57:21.700 that

00:57:22.080 winning

00:57:22.580 means

00:57:23.340 doing

00:57:24.240 some

00:57:24.440 pretty

00:57:24.640 unpleasant

00:57:25.040 things

00:57:25.480 that's

00:57:25.760 always

00:57:25.960 the

00:57:26.200 side

00:57:26.480 effect

00:57:26.800 of

00:57:27.060 victory

00:57:27.920 as

00:57:28.600 you

00:57:28.720 talked

00:57:29.000 about

00:57:29.360 Germany

00:57:29.840 Japan

00:57:30.180 etc

00:57:30.580 do

00:57:31.420 you

00:57:31.500 think

00:57:31.620 we've

00:57:31.800 just

00:57:32.020 forgotten

00:57:32.900 about

00:57:33.220 that

00:57:33.540 somewhat

00:57:34.300 as

00:57:34.520 culture

00:57:34.980 I

00:57:35.900 think

00:57:36.080 there's

00:57:36.800 no

00:57:36.940 question

00:57:37.360 that

00:57:37.800 we

00:57:37.920 have

00:57:38.280 and

00:57:39.780 thankfully

00:57:40.220 we've

00:57:40.580 had

00:57:40.920 decades

00:57:42.500 of

00:57:42.760 relative

00:57:43.160 peace

00:57:43.660 in

00:57:43.840 Europe

00:57:44.060 obviously

00:57:44.460 there

00:57:44.700 have

00:57:44.740 been

00:57:44.840 exceptions

00:57:45.320 but

00:57:45.640 in

00:57:45.780 Western

00:57:46.100 Europe

00:57:46.380 certainly

00:57:46.820 and

00:57:47.540 I

00:57:47.660 think

00:57:47.820 Western

00:57:48.240 Europeans

00:57:48.840 including

00:57:49.500 people

00:57:50.280 in

00:57:50.420 the

00:57:50.540 UK

00:57:50.920 just

00:57:53.740 believe

00:57:54.100 that

00:57:54.320 everything

00:57:54.680 can

00:57:55.040 be

00:57:56.040 solved

00:57:58.020 by

00:57:58.620 negotiation

00:57:59.640 by

00:58:00.040 appeasement

00:58:00.620 by

00:58:01.040 reasonable

00:58:02.240 agreement

00:58:02.900 between

00:58:03.240 the

00:58:03.440 parties

00:58:04.000 when

00:58:05.000 it

00:58:05.120 can't

00:58:05.580 and

00:58:05.900 when

00:58:06.000 you're

00:58:06.180 dealing

00:58:06.400 with

00:58:06.600 enemies

00:58:06.920 like

00:58:07.340 Iran

00:58:08.280 Russia

00:58:09.420 China

00:58:10.220 then

00:58:11.020 they're

00:58:11.260 working

00:58:11.540 to

00:58:11.740 different

00:58:12.020 rules

00:58:12.420 and

00:58:13.300 you

00:58:13.620 have

00:58:13.860 to

00:58:14.020 I

00:58:14.160 think

00:58:14.320 be

00:58:14.520 prepared

00:58:15.060 to

00:58:16.200 do

00:58:17.240 some

00:58:17.480 pretty

00:58:17.700 unpleasant

00:58:18.120 things

00:58:18.680 in order

00:58:19.200 to

00:58:19.380 protect

00:58:19.700 yourself

00:58:20.140 and

00:58:21.440 I

00:58:21.760 think

00:58:22.500 this

00:58:22.700 is

00:58:22.820 Israel's

00:58:23.240 main

00:58:23.460 problem

00:58:23.780 because

00:58:24.220 people

00:58:24.980 are

00:58:25.160 seeing

00:58:25.360 such

00:58:25.680 horrific

00:58:26.060 scenes

00:58:26.560 from

00:58:26.840 Gaza

00:58:27.240 and

00:58:27.620 from

00:58:27.900 Lebanon

00:58:28.420 as

00:58:28.680 well

00:58:28.860 to

00:58:29.020 an

00:58:29.160 extent

00:58:29.540 they're

00:58:30.400 seeing

00:58:30.700 that

00:58:30.920 and

00:58:31.060 they're

00:58:31.260 thinking

00:58:31.620 this

00:58:32.560 isn't

00:58:32.820 necessary

00:58:33.260 we

00:58:33.540 haven't

00:58:33.840 had

00:58:34.020 to

00:58:34.180 solve

00:58:34.400 our

00:58:34.620 problems

00:58:34.940 in

00:58:35.100 this

00:58:35.240 way

00:58:35.480 Israel

00:58:35.900 shouldn't

00:58:36.300 be

00:58:36.460 solving

00:58:36.720 its

00:58:36.920 problems

00:58:37.200 in

00:58:37.360 this

00:58:37.500 way

00:58:37.680 and

00:58:38.220 I

00:58:38.320 think

00:58:38.460 that's

00:58:38.780 a

00:58:39.620 fundamental

00:58:40.200 challenge

00:58:42.720 for the

00:58:43.340 West

00:58:43.640 and

00:58:44.360 it

00:58:44.760 shows

00:58:45.060 also

00:58:45.520 to a

00:58:46.400 very

00:58:46.580 large

00:58:46.880 extent

00:58:47.300 in

00:58:47.480 Ukraine

00:58:48.520 where

00:58:49.840 there's

00:58:50.340 been

00:58:50.480 a

00:58:50.640 very

00:58:50.940 big

00:58:51.540 reluctance

00:58:52.140 by

00:58:52.420 Western

00:58:52.800 countries

00:58:53.340 to

00:58:53.640 become

00:58:54.600 involved

00:58:55.260 at

00:58:55.460 all

00:58:55.720 let's

00:58:56.040 not

00:58:56.200 forget

00:58:56.480 at

00:58:56.700 the

00:58:56.820 very

00:58:56.980 beginning

00:58:57.320 for

00:58:57.520 example

00:58:57.880 Germany

00:58:58.440 refused

00:58:59.360 to do

00:58:59.580 any

00:58:59.720 more

00:58:59.900 than

00:59:00.040 give

00:59:00.200 them

00:59:00.340 a

00:59:03.260 that's

00:59:03.500 changed

00:59:03.920 thankfully

00:59:04.360 but

00:59:05.160 it's

00:59:06.100 all

00:59:06.280 about

00:59:06.780 an

00:59:07.540 unwillingness

00:59:08.380 to

00:59:09.020 use

00:59:09.520 I think

00:59:10.120 to be

00:59:10.420 ready

00:59:10.640 to use

00:59:11.000 military

00:59:11.300 force

00:59:11.700 and

00:59:12.440 of course

00:59:13.300 using

00:59:13.580 military

00:59:13.860 force

00:59:14.180 is a

00:59:14.420 terrible

00:59:14.640 thing

00:59:14.940 and it

00:59:15.140 shouldn't

00:59:15.400 have to

00:59:15.720 happen

00:59:16.000 unless

00:59:16.280 it's

00:59:16.500 absolutely

00:59:16.840 vital

00:59:17.260 but

00:59:18.160 one of

00:59:19.220 the big

00:59:19.460 problems

00:59:19.740 we have

00:59:20.160 I think

00:59:20.600 is that

00:59:21.360 military

00:59:22.420 force

00:59:23.080 strong

00:59:23.940 military

00:59:24.300 force

00:59:24.800 and the

00:59:25.760 political

00:59:26.160 will

00:59:26.620 to use

00:59:27.580 that

00:59:27.840 force

00:59:28.260 does

00:59:28.740 act as

00:59:29.240 a

00:59:29.380 deterrent

00:59:29.860 against

00:59:30.220 aggression

00:59:30.660 and if

00:59:31.480 you

00:59:31.740 show

00:59:32.540 as we

00:59:34.180 have done

00:59:34.520 in Britain

00:59:34.880 and other

00:59:35.280 European

00:59:35.720 countries

00:59:36.160 the same

00:59:36.560 if you

00:59:37.320 really

00:59:37.820 write down

00:59:38.440 your armed

00:59:38.940 forces

00:59:39.360 to the

00:59:39.800 extent

00:59:40.100 where they

00:59:40.480 have

00:59:40.660 very little

00:59:41.240 capability

00:59:41.920 and that's

00:59:42.800 the case

00:59:43.200 now

00:59:43.560 compared to

00:59:44.900 what they

00:59:45.160 really need

00:59:45.680 in a very

00:59:46.100 dangerous

00:59:46.420 world

00:59:46.800 if you

00:59:47.480 write that

00:59:47.920 down

00:59:48.200 you're

00:59:48.440 showing

00:59:48.800 your

00:59:49.040 potential

00:59:49.480 enemies

00:59:49.960 weakness

00:59:50.520 and if

00:59:51.480 you have

00:59:51.860 political

00:59:52.440 leadership

00:59:52.940 which

00:59:53.480 shows so

00:59:58.140 much

00:59:58.340 reluctance

00:59:58.920 to use

00:59:59.360 military

00:59:59.700 force

01:00:00.080 then again

01:00:00.620 you're

01:00:01.640 showing

01:00:01.900 weakness

01:00:02.380 and I

01:00:03.180 think

01:00:03.380 that

01:00:03.620 is

01:00:03.820 exploited

01:00:04.380 and it's

01:00:04.960 been

01:00:05.120 exploited

01:00:05.580 by

01:00:05.800 Russia

01:00:06.060 it's

01:00:06.260 been

01:00:06.400 exploited

01:00:06.800 by

01:00:07.020 Iran

01:00:07.320 it will

01:00:08.120 probably

01:00:08.420 be

01:00:08.620 exploited

01:00:09.060 by

01:00:09.300 China

01:00:09.660 in the

01:00:10.000 near

01:00:10.160 future

01:00:10.540 and

01:00:11.820 ultimately

01:00:14.440 it's going

01:00:14.840 to be a

01:00:15.100 terrible

01:00:15.340 thing

01:00:15.600 for all

01:00:15.860 of us

01:00:16.080 and I

01:00:16.640 think

01:00:16.780 the key

01:00:17.160 point

01:00:18.020 I make

01:00:18.320 there

01:00:18.500 really

01:00:18.740 is

01:00:19.000 the

01:00:19.480 deterrent

01:00:19.900 factor

01:00:20.300 if you

01:00:21.740 have

01:00:21.900 strong

01:00:22.380 deterrents

01:00:23.140 that helps

01:00:24.200 you

01:00:24.380 avoid

01:00:25.040 having to

01:00:26.080 be dragged

01:00:26.400 into

01:00:26.660 war

01:00:26.980 do

01:00:28.460 do

01:00:28.480 you

01:00:28.620 think

01:00:28.880 we're

01:00:29.220 paying

01:00:29.660 the

01:00:29.940 price

01:00:30.400 for

01:00:30.640 the

01:00:30.820 mistakes

01:00:31.400 of

01:00:32.200 Iraq

01:00:33.560 in

01:00:33.800 particular

01:00:34.240 where

01:00:35.180 a lot

01:00:36.100 of

01:00:36.200 people

01:00:36.380 felt

01:00:36.660 that

01:00:36.860 was

01:00:37.060 the

01:00:37.220 wrong

01:00:37.460 thing

01:00:37.700 to

01:00:37.860 do

01:00:38.060 it

01:00:38.220 was

01:00:38.380 done

01:00:38.740 under

01:00:38.960 false

01:00:39.240 pretense

01:00:39.660 as many

01:00:40.000 people

01:00:40.300 would

01:00:40.500 say

01:00:40.780 a lot

01:00:41.360 of

01:00:41.460 people

01:00:41.640 were

01:00:41.840 killed

01:00:42.240 and

01:00:43.880 people

01:00:44.220 are now

01:00:44.660 very

01:00:45.060 very

01:00:45.360 reluctant

01:00:45.860 to

01:00:46.280 see

01:00:46.620 the

01:00:46.820 use

01:00:47.020 of

01:00:47.160 military

01:00:47.420 force

01:00:47.840 as

01:00:48.000 a

01:00:48.120 good

01:00:48.240 thing

01:00:48.500 because

01:00:48.880 they

01:00:49.780 look

01:00:50.000 at

01:00:50.100 that

01:00:50.280 conflict

01:00:50.640 and

01:00:50.840 they

01:00:50.980 say

01:00:51.220 that

01:00:51.480 was

01:00:51.620 all

01:00:51.780 for

01:00:51.860 nothing

01:00:52.080 and

01:00:52.280 then

01:00:52.460 with

01:00:52.900 all

01:00:53.080 respect

01:00:53.600 they

01:00:54.020 look

01:00:54.220 at

01:00:54.340 Afghanistan

01:00:54.780 and

01:00:55.040 they

01:00:55.160 say

01:00:55.300 okay

01:00:55.500 we

01:00:55.660 took

01:00:55.880 out

01:00:56.080 al-Qaeda

01:00:56.520 but

01:00:57.560 then

01:00:57.800 we

01:00:58.260 have

01:00:58.520 had

01:00:58.720 to

01:00:58.920 leave

01:00:59.180 and

01:00:59.860 we've

01:01:00.120 left

01:01:00.460 the

01:01:00.840 Taliban

01:01:01.180 in

01:01:01.460 place

01:01:01.760 and

01:01:02.040 girls

01:01:02.620 are

01:01:02.760 no

01:01:02.920 long

01:01:03.120 I

01:01:03.800 saw

01:01:04.000 a

01:01:04.160 video

01:01:04.360 the

01:01:04.560 other

01:01:04.700 day

01:01:04.980 I

01:01:06.060 can't

01:01:06.220 remember

01:01:06.420 who

01:01:06.560 was

01:01:06.860 saying

01:01:07.180 female

01:01:08.380 cats

01:01:08.760 have

01:01:08.960 more

01:01:09.180 rights

01:01:09.460 in

01:01:09.580 Afghanistan

01:01:09.980 now

01:01:10.340 than

01:01:10.520 women

01:01:10.780 and

01:01:11.580 it's

01:01:11.760 true

01:01:12.020 a

01:01:12.420 cat

01:01:12.600 has

01:01:12.840 the

01:01:13.080 right

01:01:13.260 to

01:01:13.420 go

01:01:13.580 outside

01:01:13.860 the

01:01:14.100 house

01:01:14.380 without

01:01:14.820 having

01:01:15.120 its

01:01:15.280 face

01:01:15.480 covered

01:01:15.760 and

01:01:15.980 not

01:01:16.300 be

01:01:16.460 supervised

01:01:16.860 by

01:01:17.060 its

01:01:17.200 male

01:01:17.360 relative

01:01:17.740 so

01:01:18.680 when

01:01:19.120 people

01:01:19.380 look

01:01:19.720 at

01:01:19.860 that

01:01:20.180 and

01:01:20.720 someone

01:01:21.280 says

01:01:21.540 to

01:01:21.620 them

01:01:21.700 we

01:01:22.020 need

01:01:22.200 to

01:01:22.280 support

01:01:22.700 Israel

01:01:24.300 they

01:01:25.040 have

01:01:25.840 become

01:01:26.100 very

01:01:26.320 skeptical

01:01:26.720 about

01:01:27.100 that

01:01:27.300 for

01:01:27.460 those

01:01:27.660 reasons

01:01:27.940 do

01:01:28.080 you

01:01:28.140 think

01:01:28.240 that's

01:01:28.420 true

01:01:28.620 yes

01:01:29.060 and

01:01:29.540 you

01:01:30.920 look at

01:01:31.620 Afghanistan

01:01:31.980 now

01:01:32.480 it's

01:01:32.660 not

01:01:32.840 just

01:01:33.060 the

01:01:33.220 Taliban

01:01:33.520 their

01:01:33.780 Al-Qaeda

01:01:34.260 is

01:01:34.480 back

01:01:34.860 Islamic

01:01:35.360 state

01:01:35.740 is

01:01:35.900 back

01:01:36.240 so

01:01:36.860 yeah

01:01:37.040 we

01:01:37.240 got

01:01:37.420 rid

01:01:37.620 of

01:01:37.700 them

01:01:37.800 but

01:01:37.940 they're

01:01:38.100 now

01:01:38.280 back

01:01:38.680 so

01:01:40.660 I

01:01:42.200 think

01:01:42.520 Afghanistan

01:01:43.660 and

01:01:44.280 Iraq

01:01:44.660 both

01:01:45.060 of

01:01:45.220 those

01:01:45.400 two

01:01:45.660 conflicts

01:01:46.320 really

01:01:47.520 did

01:01:47.940 have

01:01:49.080 a

01:01:49.280 traumatic

01:01:49.700 effect

01:01:50.220 on

01:01:50.540 the

01:01:51.320 minds

01:01:51.640 of

01:01:51.880 certainly

01:01:52.280 of our

01:01:52.620 politicians

01:01:53.160 and

01:01:53.440 political

01:01:53.840 leaders

01:01:54.280 they

01:01:55.260 will

01:01:56.580 do

01:01:56.780 anything

01:01:57.300 I

01:01:57.600 think

01:01:57.920 I

01:01:58.200 believe

01:01:58.420 they

01:01:58.600 will

01:01:58.720 do

01:01:58.860 anything

01:01:59.320 to

01:01:59.660 avoid

01:01:59.980 being

01:02:00.220 dragged

01:02:00.500 into

01:02:00.760 any

01:02:01.100 other

01:02:01.340 conflict

01:02:01.780 if

01:02:02.000 they

01:02:02.120 possibly

01:02:02.440 can

01:02:02.780 directly

01:02:03.540 because

01:02:03.940 of

01:02:04.060 what

01:02:04.460 happened

01:02:04.700 in

01:02:04.820 Afghanistan

01:02:05.260 and Iraq

01:02:05.860 now

01:02:06.580 I

01:02:06.680 don't

01:02:06.860 think

01:02:07.120 that

01:02:07.380 what

01:02:07.800 happened

01:02:08.080 in

01:02:08.220 Afghanistan

01:02:08.660 and

01:02:09.220 Iraq

01:02:09.560 was

01:02:10.060 unavoidable

01:02:11.680 I

01:02:12.000 think

01:02:12.160 there

01:02:12.300 could

01:02:12.420 have

01:02:12.500 been

01:02:12.620 different

01:02:12.880 outcomes

01:02:13.260 in

01:02:13.460 both

01:02:13.640 those

01:02:13.880 countries

01:02:14.320 but

01:02:15.700 again

01:02:16.400 it

01:02:16.580 was

01:02:16.800 partly

01:02:17.480 due

01:02:18.220 to

01:02:18.600 an

01:02:18.860 ongoing

01:02:19.340 Western

01:02:20.520 reluctance

01:02:21.180 to

01:02:21.780 really

01:02:22.060 use

01:02:22.440 the

01:02:23.120 necessary

01:02:23.600 military

01:02:23.980 force

01:02:24.440 in

01:02:24.600 both

01:02:24.800 of

01:02:24.920 those

01:02:25.080 conflicts

01:02:25.680 and

01:02:26.540 it

01:02:27.700 further

01:02:28.500 contaminated

01:02:29.300 political

01:02:29.780 thinking

01:02:30.260 and

01:02:31.020 I

01:02:31.140 think

01:02:31.320 one

01:02:31.960 thing

01:02:32.620 that

01:02:32.780 I

01:02:32.960 don't

01:02:33.540 find

01:02:33.700 amusing

01:02:34.140 particularly

01:02:34.660 but

01:02:34.900 it's

01:02:35.140 kind

01:02:35.360 of

01:02:35.560 weird

01:02:36.700 in

01:02:36.880 a

01:02:36.980 way

01:02:37.200 is

01:02:37.420 how

01:02:37.660 many

01:02:38.200 American

01:02:38.600 generals

01:02:39.060 you

01:02:39.260 get

01:02:39.480 telling

01:02:39.840 Israelis

01:02:40.420 you

01:02:41.380 should

01:02:41.580 do

01:02:41.760 it

01:02:41.860 the

01:02:41.960 way

01:02:42.060 we

01:02:42.220 did

01:02:42.380 in

01:02:42.500 Afghanistan

01:02:42.960 that's

01:02:44.320 how

01:02:44.440 you

01:02:44.580 should

01:02:44.680 be

01:02:44.800 operating

01:02:45.120 not

01:02:45.340 the

01:02:45.480 way

01:02:45.600 you're

01:02:45.780 operating

01:02:46.140 in

01:02:46.340 Gaza

01:02:46.520 you

01:02:46.680 should

01:02:46.840 do

01:02:47.040 in

01:02:47.740 Afghanistan

01:02:48.160 really

01:02:48.960 after

01:02:49.600 what

01:02:49.800 happened

01:02:50.060 in

01:02:50.200 Afghanistan

01:02:50.600 I

01:02:51.360 don't

01:02:51.500 think

01:02:51.700 so

01:02:51.880 and

01:02:51.980 the

01:02:52.080 Israelis

01:02:52.480 know

01:02:53.180 only

01:02:53.420 too

01:02:53.640 well

01:02:53.980 they

01:02:54.420 will

01:02:55.060 listen

01:02:55.340 to

01:02:55.540 that

01:02:55.840 they'll

01:02:56.580 smile

01:02:56.960 and nod

01:02:57.500 politely

01:02:58.060 but

01:02:58.320 then

01:02:58.540 they'll

01:02:58.740 do

01:02:58.900 things

01:02:59.180 the

01:02:59.300 way

01:02:59.420 they

01:02:59.580 know

01:02:59.760 they

01:02:59.940 have

01:03:00.540 to

01:03:00.680 be

01:03:00.800 done

01:03:00.980 and

01:03:01.100 I

01:03:01.240 think

01:03:01.420 Israel

01:03:01.860 in

01:03:02.720 very

01:03:02.980 many

01:03:03.220 ways

01:03:03.560 is

01:03:03.740 showing

01:03:04.080 the

01:03:04.320 West

01:03:04.740 is

01:03:05.180 teaching

01:03:05.540 lessons

01:03:05.980 to

01:03:06.200 the

01:03:06.360 West

01:03:06.680 about

01:03:07.420 how

01:03:07.740 you

01:03:07.960 fight

01:03:08.600 a

01:03:08.760 war

01:03:08.980 terrible

01:03:09.760 though

01:03:10.020 it

01:03:10.140 is

01:03:10.400 but

01:03:10.820 how

01:03:11.040 you

01:03:11.240 fight

01:03:11.520 a

01:03:11.660 war

01:03:11.840 and

01:03:12.060 win

01:03:12.320 and

01:03:12.460 I

01:03:12.520 am

01:03:12.640 convinced

01:03:13.060 that

01:03:13.320 in

01:03:13.880 both

01:03:14.100 Lebanon

01:03:14.440 and

01:03:14.700 Gaza

01:03:15.380 and

01:03:15.920 we

01:03:16.260 can

01:03:16.460 talk

01:03:17.020 separately

01:03:17.480 about

01:03:17.700 Iran

01:03:18.000 but

01:03:18.220 in

01:03:18.720 Lebanon

01:03:18.980 and

01:03:19.200 Gaza

01:03:19.440 I

01:03:19.680 think

01:03:19.880 Israel

01:03:20.160 is

01:03:20.360 going

01:03:20.540 to

01:03:20.720 win

01:03:20.940 albeit

01:03:21.620 it's

01:03:22.040 a

01:03:22.960 terrible

01:03:23.300 price

01:03:23.720 on

01:03:23.900 all

01:03:24.100 sides

01:03:24.380 for

01:03:24.520 that

01:03:24.700 when

01:03:25.080 you

01:03:25.200 say

01:03:25.400 the

01:03:25.580 lesson

01:03:25.920 are

01:03:26.100 you

01:03:26.220 talking

01:03:26.580 about

01:03:27.100 the

01:03:27.480 unapologetic

01:03:28.280 use

01:03:28.600 of

01:03:28.760 overwhelming

01:03:29.200 force

01:03:29.660 is

01:03:30.180 that

01:03:30.260 what

01:03:30.360 you

01:03:30.440 mean

01:03:30.640 not

01:03:31.500 not

01:03:31.740 so

01:03:32.140 much

01:03:32.320 that

01:03:32.560 but

01:03:32.760 that

01:03:33.000 that's

01:03:33.320 part

01:03:33.640 of

01:03:33.760 it

01:03:33.880 the

01:03:34.360 necessity

01:03:35.600 to

01:03:36.080 you

01:03:36.280 I

01:03:36.600 go

01:03:36.720 back

01:03:36.920 to

01:03:37.040 the

01:03:37.600 question

01:03:37.920 I

01:03:38.220 rhetorically

01:03:39.260 asked

01:03:39.560 earlier

01:03:39.820 on

01:03:40.080 you

01:03:40.780 can

01:03:41.060 destroy

01:03:42.140 Hamas

01:03:42.740 and

01:03:43.960 unfortunately

01:03:44.520 a lot

01:03:44.980 of

01:03:45.120 civilians

01:03:45.460 are going

01:03:45.720 to die

01:03:46.020 as well

01:03:46.420 or

01:03:47.420 you

01:03:47.640 can

01:03:47.960 leave

01:03:49.080 Hamas

01:03:49.440 intact

01:03:49.980 to

01:03:50.220 attack

01:03:50.540 you

01:03:50.700 again

01:03:50.920 and

01:03:51.040 again

01:03:51.260 and

01:03:51.420 the

01:03:51.540 civilians

01:03:51.800 won't

01:03:52.100 die

01:03:52.380 and

01:03:53.140 that's

01:03:53.420 the

01:03:53.640 choice

01:03:54.460 really

01:03:54.800 and

01:03:54.960 I

01:03:55.080 think

01:03:55.220 it's

01:03:55.360 a

01:03:55.480 choice

01:03:55.740 that

01:03:55.920 Israel

01:03:56.240 and

01:03:56.780 I

01:03:57.080 I've

01:03:57.460 been

01:03:57.560 in

01:03:57.680 Israel

01:03:57.900 for

01:03:58.100 most

01:03:58.300 of

01:03:58.400 the

01:03:58.480 last

01:03:58.680 year

01:03:58.980 the

01:04:00.280 Israelis

01:04:00.580 don't

01:04:00.920 relish

01:04:01.240 this

01:04:01.460 at

01:04:01.780 all

01:04:02.100 ordinary

01:04:04.220 Israeli

01:04:04.640 people

01:04:05.060 will

01:04:05.320 look

01:04:05.540 at

01:04:05.720 pictures

01:04:06.040 of

01:04:06.240 dead

01:04:06.440 babies

01:04:06.880 in

01:04:07.220 Gaza

01:04:08.060 and

01:04:08.400 think

01:04:08.620 exactly

01:04:09.020 the

01:04:09.260 same

01:04:09.440 as

01:04:09.580 you

01:04:09.760 or

01:04:10.360 I

01:04:10.540 do

01:04:10.680 about

01:04:10.960 that

01:04:11.240 they

01:04:11.680 don't

01:04:11.880 like

01:04:12.180 it

01:04:12.300 they

01:04:12.440 don't

01:04:12.640 want

01:04:12.920 it

01:04:13.080 but

01:04:13.240 their

01:04:13.960 leadership

01:04:14.800 the

01:04:15.600 prime

01:04:15.840 minister

01:04:16.180 and

01:04:16.420 the

01:04:16.520 military

01:04:16.780 leadership

01:04:17.240 know

01:04:18.020 this

01:04:18.760 is

01:04:18.900 the

01:04:19.000 only

01:04:19.160 way

01:04:19.500 that

01:04:19.700 they

01:04:19.980 as

01:04:20.320 a

01:04:20.440 country

01:04:20.760 can

01:04:21.040 survive

01:04:21.600 and

01:04:22.460 it's

01:04:22.740 in

01:04:23.160 this

01:04:23.340 region

01:04:23.820 it's

01:04:24.820 largely

01:04:26.460 mainly

01:04:26.920 about

01:04:27.340 defeating

01:04:27.800 these

01:04:28.120 terrorist

01:04:28.460 groups

01:04:28.820 it's

01:04:29.040 also

01:04:29.280 about

01:04:29.700 showing

01:04:30.540 a

01:04:31.180 level

01:04:31.400 of

01:04:31.600 strength

01:04:32.240 to

01:04:33.140 deter

01:04:34.660 your

01:04:35.900 enemies

01:04:36.200 from

01:04:36.420 attacking

01:04:36.760 you

01:04:37.000 and

01:04:37.180 they

01:04:37.300 know

01:04:37.480 that

01:04:37.700 they

01:04:37.880 know

01:04:38.040 they're

01:04:38.240 not

01:04:38.440 living

01:04:39.740 in

01:04:40.040 Serbiton

01:04:40.560 or

01:04:40.700 something

01:04:40.920 like that

01:04:41.160 they're

01:04:41.320 living

01:04:41.520 in

01:04:41.780 some

01:04:42.340 of

01:04:42.440 the

01:04:42.500 most

01:04:42.700 dangerous

01:04:43.200 and

01:04:43.420 volatile

01:04:43.700 parts

01:04:44.200 of

01:04:44.300 the

01:04:44.380 world

01:04:44.620 Colonel

01:04:45.820 it's

01:04:46.100 been

01:04:46.240 a

01:04:46.380 fantastic

01:04:47.040 interview

01:04:47.480 thank

01:04:47.720 you

01:04:47.820 so

01:04:48.000 much

01:04:48.180 for

01:04:48.300 coming

01:04:48.460 on

01:04:48.600 the

01:04:48.720 show

01:04:48.960 final

01:04:49.600 question

01:04:49.980 is

01:04:50.180 always

01:04:50.380 the

01:04:50.560 same

01:04:50.760 what's

01:04:51.040 the

01:04:51.120 one

01:04:51.280 thing

01:04:51.460 we're

01:04:51.640 not

01:04:51.860 talking

01:04:52.220 about

01:04:52.480 that

01:04:52.620 we

01:04:52.700 really

01:04:52.920 should

01:04:53.140 be

01:04:53.400 I

01:04:54.480 think

01:04:54.660 the

01:04:54.800 thing

01:04:54.960 we're

01:04:55.200 lacking

01:04:55.520 today

01:04:56.240 which

01:04:58.100 is not

01:04:58.660 so often

01:04:59.240 discussed

01:04:59.700 perhaps

01:05:00.020 is

01:05:00.280 leadership

01:05:01.160 and I

01:05:02.440 think

01:05:02.700 and I'm

01:05:03.060 not

01:05:03.220 talking

01:05:03.580 about

01:05:04.200 leadership

01:05:05.460 in

01:05:05.760 industry

01:05:06.220 and

01:05:06.460 commerce

01:05:06.800 and

01:05:06.960 things

01:05:07.080 I'm

01:05:07.220 talking

01:05:07.440 about

01:05:07.640 really

01:05:07.880 above

01:05:08.080 all

01:05:08.340 political

01:05:09.180 leadership

01:05:09.680 and I

01:05:10.860 think

01:05:11.080 it

01:05:11.280 does

01:05:12.540 go back

01:05:12.960 to

01:05:13.120 the

01:05:13.340 last

01:05:14.060 thing

01:05:14.220 we

01:05:14.360 discussed

01:05:14.800 which

01:05:15.080 is

01:05:15.260 whether

01:05:15.480 the

01:05:15.680 West

01:05:15.940 has

01:05:16.160 a

01:05:16.280 will

01:05:16.460 to

01:05:16.640 win

01:05:16.840 or

01:05:16.960 not

01:05:17.200 I

01:05:18.620 think

01:05:18.860 there's

01:05:19.200 too

01:05:20.860 much

01:05:21.140 of

01:05:21.260 what I

01:05:21.500 would

01:05:21.660 describe

01:05:22.040 as

01:05:22.320 followership

01:05:23.440 among

01:05:23.780 our

01:05:24.100 political

01:05:24.420 leaders

01:05:24.800 and

01:05:24.960 leadership

01:05:25.360 they

01:05:26.040 want

01:05:26.200 to

01:05:26.320 see

01:05:26.600 of

01:05:27.340 course

01:05:27.560 it's

01:05:27.800 important

01:05:28.200 that

01:05:28.420 they

01:05:28.580 stay

01:05:28.880 in

01:05:29.040 office

01:05:29.300 and

01:05:29.440 all

01:05:29.540 the

01:05:29.660 rest

01:05:29.840 of

01:05:29.980 it

01:05:30.060 and

01:05:30.160 they

01:05:30.280 understand

01:05:30.980 the

01:05:31.320 opinions

01:05:31.980 of

01:05:32.180 the

01:05:32.260 people

01:05:32.560 but

01:05:32.740 they

01:05:32.900 want

01:05:33.140 to

01:05:33.320 see

01:05:33.580 what

01:05:33.960 the

01:05:34.640 opinion

01:05:34.960 polls

01:05:35.340 are

01:05:35.480 saying

01:05:35.820 they

01:05:36.520 want

01:05:36.780 to

01:05:36.960 see

01:05:37.120 what

01:05:37.400 is

01:05:37.740 being

01:05:37.960 discussed

01:05:38.380 on

01:05:38.640 TikTok

01:05:38.960 or

01:05:39.340 danced

01:05:39.800 about

01:05:40.060 on

01:05:40.260 TikTok

01:05:40.520 or

01:05:40.780 whatever

01:05:41.040 does

01:05:41.920 happen

01:05:42.200 on

01:05:42.460 TikTok

01:05:42.740 I

01:05:43.020 can't

01:05:43.300 say

01:05:43.460 I'm

01:05:43.600 an

01:05:44.520 avid

01:05:44.820 follower

01:05:45.160 of

01:05:45.340 TikTok

01:05:45.600 other

01:05:46.000 social

01:05:46.360 media

01:05:46.700 and

01:05:48.380 they

01:05:51.800 just

01:05:52.360 want

01:05:52.620 more

01:05:53.260 of

01:05:53.800 the

01:05:53.920 same

01:05:54.220 and

01:05:54.860 it's

01:05:56.840 very

01:05:57.080 easy

01:05:57.360 for a

01:05:57.660 very

01:05:57.840 old

01:05:58.060 man

01:05:58.280 like

01:05:58.480 me

01:05:58.720 to

01:05:58.860 say

01:05:59.700 what

01:06:00.360 about

01:06:00.620 Churchillian

01:06:01.900 type

01:06:02.160 leadership

01:06:02.580 etc

01:06:03.060 we

01:06:03.980 just

01:06:04.360 don't

01:06:04.580 have

01:06:04.800 that

01:06:05.040 Thatcher

01:06:05.800 and

01:06:06.060 many

01:06:06.520 of

01:06:06.700 your

01:06:06.860 viewers

01:06:07.180 may

01:06:07.480 recoil

01:06:08.280 at

01:06:08.480 the

01:06:08.600 word

01:06:08.920 Thatcher

01:06:09.800 but

01:06:10.060 we

01:06:11.460 had

01:06:12.000 Thatcher

01:06:12.400 and

01:06:12.580 Churchill

01:06:12.920 and

01:06:13.120 other

01:06:13.340 leaders

01:06:13.640 as

01:06:13.900 well

01:06:14.120 who

01:06:14.380 have

01:06:14.580 got

01:06:14.760 some

01:06:19.080 kind

01:06:19.360 of

01:06:19.480 political

01:06:19.980 ideals

01:06:21.100 and

01:06:21.460 a

01:06:21.640 theme

01:06:22.020 and

01:06:22.360 agenda

01:06:23.020 to

01:06:23.340 promote

01:06:23.740 not

01:06:24.400 just

01:06:24.720 staying

01:06:25.100 in

01:06:25.260 office

01:06:25.620 and

01:06:26.560 I

01:06:26.960 think

01:06:27.180 particularly

01:06:27.800 our

01:06:28.060 young

01:06:28.300 people

01:06:28.640 and

01:06:28.780 I'm

01:06:29.420 not

01:06:29.580 a

01:06:29.720 subscriber

01:06:30.240 to

01:06:30.480 the

01:06:30.620 view

01:06:30.820 that

01:06:31.000 the

01:06:31.160 young

01:06:31.360 people

01:06:31.700 are

01:06:31.880 weak

01:06:32.160 and

01:06:32.420 wouldn't

01:06:33.360 for

01:06:33.740 example

01:06:34.100 fight

01:06:34.460 for

01:06:34.580 their

01:06:34.720 country

01:06:35.060 if

01:06:35.180 necessary

01:06:35.500 and

01:06:35.760 all

01:06:36.080 the

01:06:36.200 rest

01:06:36.400 of

01:06:36.520 it

01:06:36.600 I

01:06:36.720 think

01:06:36.960 I

01:06:38.280 in

01:06:39.380 the

01:06:39.780 army

01:06:40.000 for

01:06:40.200 30

01:06:40.480 years

01:06:40.880 I

01:06:41.600 commanded

01:06:42.040 many

01:06:42.360 soldiers

01:06:42.760 fought

01:06:43.080 with

01:06:43.240 many

01:06:43.480 soldiers

01:06:43.820 who

01:06:44.140 were

01:06:44.820 from

01:06:45.020 these

01:06:45.220 same

01:06:45.520 generations

01:06:46.180 what

01:06:47.160 they

01:06:47.320 need

01:06:47.540 is

01:06:47.680 leadership

01:06:48.080 they

01:06:48.920 don't

01:06:49.220 just

01:06:49.860 need

01:06:50.080 to

01:06:50.200 be

01:06:50.360 indulged

01:06:51.160 as

01:06:51.740 I

01:06:51.900 think

01:06:52.180 our

01:06:52.580 politicians

01:06:53.020 are

01:06:53.260 too

01:06:53.440 fond

01:06:53.680 of

01:06:53.840 indulging

01:06:54.340 them

01:06:54.500 now

01:06:54.680 I

01:06:54.820 think

01:06:55.060 if

01:06:57.780 we

01:06:58.160 want

01:06:59.060 as

01:06:59.300 a

01:06:59.440 country

01:06:59.740 to

01:07:00.000 survive

01:07:00.400 we

01:07:01.260 do

01:07:01.500 need

01:07:01.760 our

01:07:01.960 young

01:07:02.200 people

01:07:02.620 to

01:07:03.380 be

01:07:03.560 supporting

01:07:03.980 us

01:07:04.220 and

01:07:04.340 they

01:07:04.480 need

01:07:04.680 to

01:07:04.780 be

01:07:04.940 led

01:07:05.260 to

01:07:05.840 do

01:07:06.020 that

01:07:06.280 unfortunately

01:07:09.380 the

01:07:09.820 strongest

01:07:10.180 leadership

01:07:10.580 is

01:07:10.780 coming

01:07:10.980 from

01:07:11.200 the

01:07:11.340 people

01:07:11.580 who

01:07:11.720 oppose

01:07:12.100 our

01:07:12.300 way

01:07:12.460 of

01:07:12.580 life

01:07:12.840 oppose

01:07:13.680 our

01:07:14.360 history

01:07:14.740 oppose

01:07:15.220 the

01:07:16.620 legacy

01:07:20.580 that

01:07:21.080 exists

01:07:21.560 in

01:07:21.780 Britain

01:07:21.960 today

01:07:22.360 and

01:07:23.060 they

01:07:23.180 want

01:07:23.420 to

01:07:23.600 tear

01:07:24.000 it

01:07:24.160 down

01:07:24.400 and

01:07:24.680 that's

01:07:25.100 because

01:07:25.480 that's

01:07:26.400 where

01:07:26.540 the

01:07:26.700 strongest

01:07:27.000 leadership

01:07:27.440 is

01:07:27.640 coming

01:07:27.860 from

01:07:28.140 Colonel

01:07:28.940 thanks

01:07:29.260 for

01:07:29.420 coming

01:07:29.600 back

01:07:29.900 head

01:07:30.400 on

01:07:30.760 over

01:07:31.140 to

01:07:31.420 locals

01:07:31.760 to

01:07:31.980 watch

01:07:32.220 the

01:07:32.380 rest

01:07:32.580 of

01:07:32.700 this

01:07:32.820 conversation

01:07:33.340 where

01:07:33.580 we

01:07:33.740 put

01:07:33.960 your

01:07:34.220 questions

01:07:34.660 to

01:07:34.880 Colonel

01:07:35.060 Richard

01:07:35.320 Kemp

01:07:35.560 in

01:07:37.880 the

01:07:38.000 arenas

01:07:38.420 of

01:07:38.580 warfare

01:07:39.020 in

01:07:39.340 which

01:07:39.520 you've

01:07:39.660 been

01:07:39.780 involved

01:07:40.140 or

01:07:40.300 advised

01:07:40.740 on

01:07:40.980 which

01:07:41.560 individual

01:07:42.260 has

01:07:42.500 struck

01:07:42.760 you

01:07:42.920 with

01:07:43.040 the

01:07:43.160 most

01:07:43.380 fear

01:07:43.660 and

01:07:43.820 concern

01:07:44.320 and

01:07:44.660 why

TRIGGERnometry - October 20, 2024

Israel, Iran and the Middle East Proxy Wars Explained - Colonel Richard Kemp

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