TRIGGERnometry - August 21, 2024


Kevin Sorboļ¼š How I Got Blacklisted by Hollywood


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55 minutes

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Actor Kevin Sorbo joins me on the show to talk about his Hollywood career and how he got out of the entertainment industry. He talks about how he went from being a huge Hollywood star to being blacklisted because he was a Christian conservative.

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00:00:00.960 You're this huge actor, Hercules, and then you were basically blacklisted for having the wrong
00:00:06.560 opinions. Can't have that in Hollywood at all. I said, you guys are the ones screaming for
00:00:11.280 tolerance. You're the ones screaming for freedom of speech. They're full of crap and they're all
00:00:15.600 hypocrites. And it's a one-way street with tolerance and freedom of speech. So I just said,
00:00:21.360 you know, the heck with it. Don't you find it weird, Kevin, that in Hollywood,
00:00:26.080 it's more accepted to be a Scientologist than a Christian. Yeah. It's weird.
00:00:33.840 Kevin Sober, welcome to the show. It's awesome to have you on. Good to be here. Thanks for having
00:00:37.280 me on. Yeah. Well, listen, we want to get straight into the kind of the way your career went because
00:00:42.720 you're this huge actor, Hercules, and then you were basically blacklisted for having the wrong opinions.
00:00:49.680 Can't have that in Hollywood at all. It's interesting because, you know, Hercules,
00:00:53.440 pardon the sin of pride, but by season three, we were the most watched show in the world in 176
00:00:59.120 countries. And that same year, we spun off Xena. And in the fifth year, we spun off a young Hercules.
00:01:03.600 A lot of people don't remember that one. That only lasted two seasons. But it was the start of an
00:01:07.360 unknown actor at that time who played me as a teenager. His name was Ryan Gosling. Wow.
00:01:13.280 I don't know. He's disappeared completely. Ryan, you owe me a part in a movie for crying out loud. Come on.
00:01:17.440 Yeah. But yeah, my, you know, when Andromeda finished, I did a lot of movies up until about
00:01:23.840 2012. I've been doing a lot of movies since, but it was about 10, 11 years ago. My agent manager
00:01:28.080 called me in and said, they can't work with me anymore. And I said, well, why? I said, well,
00:01:31.920 the stuff you're posting on the internet. And I go, I'm not posting anything hateful. I'm not attacking
00:01:36.560 any groups. I'm not doing, yeah, but being a Christian conservative, the tide is sort of changing here in
00:01:41.520 Hollywood. And I said, I've always been a Christian conservative. I don't consider myself better or
00:01:45.760 perfect or anything like that. They said, yeah, but it's going to be hard to get you hired. And I
00:01:49.200 thought that I probably should have got mad, but I laughed at him. I said, you guys are the ones
00:01:53.520 screaming for tolerance. You're the ones screaming for freedom of speech. But as Hollywood, pretty
00:01:58.100 much like Washington, DC, they live in their own bubbles on different opposite sides of the country,
00:02:01.780 but they're full of crap and they're all hypocrites. And it's a one-way street with tolerance and
00:02:07.160 freedom of speech. So I just said, you know, the heck with it. I love the industry. My wife and I
00:02:12.560 formed Sorbo Studios. Go to sorbostudios.com. A lot of information on there. And I've been
00:02:17.400 shooting about four movies a year for the last 12 years. So I've been doing my own thing.
00:02:21.360 And you seem happy. Most people we've talked to, and we've talked to a lot of people who've
00:02:25.400 ended up being forced out one way or another because, you know, they said the wrong thing
00:02:29.740 or thought the wrong thing or posted the wrong thing, whatever. And for a lot of them, it's very
00:02:33.840 traumatic and it doesn't even necessarily end well. But you clearly landed on your feet, right?
00:02:39.380 Yeah. I just said, I'll do my own thing. I love the industry. I love the creative process of making
00:02:43.160 movies. So I'm going to keep doing it. Look, I've got two movies coming out this August. I've got
00:02:47.560 four in post-production. I got three documentaries coming up at Christmas time. I got three other
00:02:51.520 movies lined up this year. I'm shooting one in Slovakia, shooting one in Turkey. And then I got
00:02:57.480 one shooting in California. I'm trying to talk them to shoot in Florida because I don't want to go back
00:03:00.640 to California. But, you know, I'm staying busy and it's not just my independent production company,
00:03:05.940 but it's other indies as well. And, you know, knock on wood, I'm still making stuff. I'm not
00:03:11.980 getting invited to do any big Hollywood premieres or Hollywood movies or TV shows anymore, which is
00:03:16.980 really, and on one hand, it's kind of sad because I find it almost childish the way they act with
00:03:21.640 this hate and anger. That's what freedom of speech is supposed to be about. We're losing that left and
00:03:26.660 right in our country right now, around the world for that matter. I mean, I'm reading plenty of stuff
00:03:30.540 going on. I know people got arrested in London for silently praying on the streets in front of
00:03:35.620 abortion clinics. You're going, this is nuts. You look what's going on in Canada. I don't know how that
00:03:41.160 guy keeps getting elected. Yeah. What's Fidel's son? What's his name? It's crazy. Canada's first black
00:03:47.420 prime minister. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy what's going on. But, you know, we got to keep fighting the good
00:03:52.040 fight. Every movie I've been doing, especially like six or seven years, because you mentioned other
00:03:56.760 people, you know, they're afraid. Fear is a great weapon. I get people, actors, a director,
00:04:02.900 camera guys, lighting guys, whatever. They pull me to the side of the studio like we're doing a drug
00:04:06.500 deal. And they say, hey, man, thanks for being a voice for us. I go, why don't you be a voice for
00:04:10.560 yourself? But they're afraid to get blacklisted like I did. And I said, I'm still working, you know,
00:04:15.520 but we need, the sheep are going to be a sheep, but we need the lions to wake up out there and speak up
00:04:20.560 because you're going to all get canceled eventually anyway. The only way to fight back is not being afraid.
00:04:24.640 Amen. And it's, it's such a profound point because we both have had that experience of that,
00:04:30.440 particularly being in the UK comedy industry where people are like, oh, well done, but I wouldn't say
00:04:35.100 it. And you're like, well, that's why we're here, my friend. And, but what's interesting is, so you,
00:04:42.320 it's from about 2011, 2012, you didn't have a career anymore in Hollywood, but you look at Hollywood.
00:04:49.320 Is it even relevant anymore? Really? Does anybody even watch the movies?
00:04:53.760 Yeah. Well, Disney proved that no one does. I mean, with all the woke crap they're putting out
00:04:58.100 there, they lost well over, I think $1.4 billion last year because people get tired of the crap
00:05:02.860 they're putting out. So, uh, and I'm glad that people are starting to speak up because they,
00:05:07.300 I get stopped all the time through airports, hotel lobbies, restaurants, and it's not because of
00:05:12.000 Hercules. It's not because I'm in drama. It's now because of movies like soul surf or what if God's
00:05:16.360 not dead, let there be light. And these are the people saying, please keep making these movies.
00:05:19.780 The biggest disadvantage we have is independent guys. We're not shooting $300 million movies like
00:05:25.140 Avatar and Iron Man or Superman. I mean, these guys, those are $100 million advertising budget.
00:05:29.640 My movies are $3 million. That's catering budget on these movies. And that's, those are the guys we
00:05:34.680 got to fight to try to get, you know, word of mouth to get these things out there. And that's the only
00:05:39.060 way we can get out there is people talk about the movies. Because it's so interesting you say about
00:05:43.240 Christian conservatives when this is a Christian conservative country. Sure. And you just go,
00:05:49.520 so what you're basically saying is you don't want to cater to your audience. Yeah. That's nuts. It's
00:05:56.600 nuts. I had a movie that came out back in 2018 called Let There Be Light. My wife wrote it. I
00:06:02.040 directed, I starred in it. My wife stars in it. My two boys are in it for the first movie they've ever
00:06:06.320 done. Sean Hannity funded it. We're up against Thor Ragnarok. They're opening weekend against us. A
00:06:13.480 $300 million movie up against a $2.3 million movie. We were number two per screen average. I get a call
00:06:19.100 Monday after opening weekend from the guys at Netflix. Say, hey, we know that you have a foot
00:06:23.440 in this inspirational thing. We want to open an inspirational division here at Netflix and we want
00:06:27.640 you to head it up. I was like, awesome. So I go meet them in their Hollywood office. I meet them again
00:06:32.260 a month later. Meet them. Four meetings over four months. Send them great scripts that I have,
00:06:36.900 television, movies, television shows, all that stuff. By the fourth meeting, I sat in that with
00:06:41.980 the top 10 people, all Netflix there. And I'm looking at this going, you guys, this is all lip
00:06:47.920 service. You guys aren't going to do this, are you? There's 80 million homes in America that want the
00:06:51.860 kind of product I'm putting out there. And I'm not saying faith-based movies. I hate saying that.
00:06:55.700 I like saying family-friendly movies. Not every movie I do is faith-based. I got a movie coming out
00:07:00.020 that I play a 700-year-old vampire, but it's a comedy. And it's very funny. It's a secular movie,
00:07:04.600 but it's funny. So I'll do movies like that. I'm not, there's a certain movies I won't do just
00:07:08.840 because I said, I don't want to do a horror movie when I'm chopping up teenage kids. That has no
00:07:12.820 interest for me. But people come up and stop me and say, we will watch your movies because we know
00:07:17.480 I can take my kids to it. But Hollywood and even Netflix, I'm going, you scream socialism is good.
00:07:24.540 You're still a capitalist business. Let's not fool ourselves. And why are you dissing 80 million
00:07:31.060 homes out there? Because this crazy ideology is going on in the world right now. I think the
00:07:35.880 biggest killer in America and around the world is apathy. People just go, oh, well, what can we do?
00:07:40.940 Well, wake the hell up and quit being afraid. COVID showed how governments at every level
00:07:45.560 around the world, you saw what happened down in Melbourne, Australia. It was crazy.
00:07:49.520 It was crazy enough here in America, but it was different here in Florida compared to California,
00:07:53.660 for sure. Fear. That's the greatest weapon the government loves to use to control our lives.
00:07:58.360 And people got to stop being afraid. But there are people in Hollywood. Like if you look at Mel
00:08:02.720 Gibson, I know Mel Gibson's brand has been tarnished because of his personal life. But you look at things
00:08:07.660 like movies like Passion of the Christ, that made huge amounts of money. $30 million budget made $600
00:08:14.100 million. And you go, why? You know, because let's be fair. Most of those people in Hollywood are
00:08:20.560 amoral. They're totally amoral. Oh, no question. So you'd think there'd be enough of them going,
00:08:25.700 I want to make some money. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, why not? I mean, why would you,
00:08:32.980 as it's a pretty well-run Jewish community in Hollywood. I remember every agent, manager,
00:08:38.180 entertainment lawyer, whatever, they're all Jewish, but most of them are not practicing Jews.
00:08:42.200 They're agnostic. They're, you know, atheist Jews. But the reality is, why would you not support a movie
00:08:48.620 like Passion of the Christ when it deals with Jesus, who was a Jew, by the way? You know,
00:08:52.700 it's a weird thing. He's, he and his brother have been the last five years. I've been talking to Mel
00:08:56.800 a lot over the last few months. They're going to do the sequel to The Passion. And they're going to
00:09:02.040 talk about the whole resurrection. I don't know when I started filming. Mel spent like an hour on the
00:09:06.920 phone with me one day telling me the whole story behind what The Passion's going to be. I mean,
00:09:10.100 their sequel's going to be. And after he got done, I said, this is not a $30 million movie.
00:09:14.380 That's a $100 million. He goes, no, it's $200 million. And I don't know. Is he going to be
00:09:19.320 able to raise the funds? Is Holly going to fight him? It's weird to me that you want to fight back
00:09:22.900 on that. And it's, it's in the huge audiences out there. I don't know if you remember a movie
00:09:27.220 called Noah came out. Um, Russell Crowe started it. Yeah, I remember. Came out in 2014. The same year
00:09:32.360 God's Not Dead came out, my movie. Well, here's a movie. They hired an atheist director. Why would you
00:09:38.120 in the Jewish community and a, in a story based on the old Testament, the Jewish Bible,
00:09:43.180 why would you not hire someone who at least believes in the story of Noah? I mean, this
00:09:47.060 guy made it, my wife was, we went to the premiere at the Paramount lot. This is before it came
00:09:51.060 out in theaters and we're sitting like 30 rows back. And my wife whispers to me halfway through,
00:09:55.300 this isn't, this isn't the story of Noah. This is Waterworld meets Transformers. I said,
00:10:00.000 that's pretty much what it was. And I told her, I said, you watch what happens. The Christian
00:10:03.700 community will support this movie opening weekend, but word of mouth is going to kill it. They're
00:10:07.640 going to walk out and go, oh crap. It went, I said, it's going to drop 60% one week and the next drop
00:10:12.540 67% in one week. I'll tell you an interesting story, Kevin. I hadn't been to LA until about
00:10:18.360 two, three years ago. And I'm one of these agnostic Jewish people. I'm Jewish a little bit.
00:10:23.920 And I remember spending three days in LA and after three days I went, these people need God.
00:10:29.420 Because the bubble that I just experienced there, and I saw like this much, I'm sure,
00:10:34.780 compared to what you know, was pretty crazy. But on the other hand, we know, we just had Andrew
00:10:40.320 Claiborne on the show for the 19th time. I've known Andrew for years. He's a great guy.
00:10:44.580 And you know, one of the things we talked with him about was the fact that actually there are
00:10:48.900 quite a lot of people who aren't, you know, woke, progressive, atheists in Hollywood,
00:10:54.480 also kicking around. They just can't seem to, you know, they're having to hide, they're having to
00:11:00.140 meet behind closed doors. We're the ones in the closet now.
00:11:03.840 So I guess it's our turn. Yeah. I'm just not in the closet anymore, but go ahead. I'm sorry.
00:11:07.760 Well, I guess that's what I was getting at is, do you think Hollywood will adjust and recover
00:11:15.180 as the reality of the financial hit that ideology imposes on Hollywood hits? Or do you think it's
00:11:21.900 just, you know, it's going to get bottomed out and no matter what, and it's going to have to be
00:11:26.800 something else that takes place? Well, I think they have to eventually, because it doesn't make
00:11:30.080 much sense to me what they're putting out there. I mean, the celebration of anger and hate and
00:11:34.940 divisiveness and murder and just this weird sort of thing that's going on within that world
00:11:42.400 doesn't make much sense to me. The conspiracy theorist in me, I look at what Disney's doing
00:11:48.260 and I'm thinking, I bet you our tax dollars from Washington, D.C. are being funded underneath
00:11:52.740 the ground saying, you guys keep putting your message out there. If you look at Roe v. Wade,
00:11:56.360 and that came out in 72, it didn't take very long, three, four years for everybody to look at
00:11:59.820 abortion as, eh, no big deal. You know, it's like having a cold. So everybody just accepted very
00:12:04.000 quickly. So after a generation or two of it, people just looked at abortion as no big deal.
00:12:09.600 Like it wasn't murder or anything like that. So we have that now going on within, I think,
00:12:14.840 within Hollywood where maybe Disney is being funded by our tax dollars. We don't know about it because
00:12:18.400 it wouldn't surprise me if they are. And so you keep pushing the agenda you're pushing.
00:12:21.840 There's a purposeful destruction of America right now, and I don't understand, but it's all about
00:12:26.560 power and control. And I think it's very, it's evil. It's evil out there right now.
00:12:30.160 Who do you think is doing this? Who do you think is behind it?
00:12:32.820 I think there's a lot of, George Soros is one of the main guys behind it. I mean,
00:12:35.940 there's big money on these guys and why, it's power. It's all about power. And it is about money
00:12:41.260 with these guys. And it's just, I look at and go, I mean, you look at what's going on in universities
00:12:45.480 right now, these people, they're marching. I've never seen such a huge thing against the Jews
00:12:50.660 within our universities, but half the thousands of people have been arrested aren't even at this,
00:12:54.660 they aren't even students. They're these professional people. And George Soros is
00:12:58.360 certainly paying for that. I would say if I look at Antifa, I'd love to do a documentary on Antifa
00:13:02.720 because they do, I've done a lot of documentaries, about 10 over the last eight, nine years.
00:13:06.400 And I look at Antifa, I would love to get them in a room one by one, take off your bloody mask for
00:13:10.860 one thing, you cowards. I mean, in a group, they're very brave and powerful. One-on-one,
00:13:15.860 I'd love to talk to them. I bet you there's a common denominator with all of them. I bet you they're
00:13:19.060 from broken families. They're from abuse somewhere down the road, drugs, alcohol,
00:13:24.060 whatever it may be. And just, they're getting paid. There's a number of them said that George
00:13:29.060 Soros is funding us. When the riots were going on, they're bringing pallets of bricks and rocks to
00:13:34.240 these different locations. I mean, that was incredibly well-organized as hate and anger
00:13:38.180 out there. They're just waiting for the right time to do it. And I look at how to fight back.
00:13:44.120 We got to fight back. People got to, I think apathy, as I said, is, I think is the biggest killer out
00:13:48.100 there. People need to wake up and not be afraid.
00:13:50.480 Kevin, so you talked about hate and murder and all the rest of it. And I think this is where
00:13:55.160 I differ from you because I look at Shakespeare, for instance. You look at Macbeth. You look at
00:14:03.240 King Lear. You look at Titus Andronicus. I mean, I don't think you could get a more bloody film than
00:14:08.920 Titus Andronicus. To me, there's a difference because if you look at what Shakespeare created,
00:14:15.660 he talked about all of these things, but it was done in a kind of a different way.
00:14:21.700 To me, what I think you're talking about is projecting a message that you feel is profoundly
00:14:28.580 wrong, as opposed to an artist showing you a character like Macbeth and going, you decide
00:14:34.200 about what you think of him.
00:14:36.340 That's interesting. I mean, violence has been around the world forever. We've done horrific
00:14:39.920 things to mankind for centuries. It's funny about Shakespeare. I was 11 years old when I went to
00:14:45.640 the Guthrie Theater in Minnesota. I love Guthrie, British guy. They brought it over there back in
00:14:50.920 like the 40s or 50s or whatever it was. That was when I was 11 years old. I went to see The Merchant
00:14:55.340 of Venice there. And that's when I decided to be an actor. And I was 11. It was Shakespeare. I don't
00:14:58.860 know what the hell they were saying. It was Shakespeare. But I was blown away by the actors
00:15:02.220 on the stage. And that sort of opened the door for me. But you're not wrong. I mean, the violence
00:15:05.520 has always been there. It always will be there. But you can't have good without evil and evil
00:15:10.600 without good. So to me, the battle is always going to go on. I don't think the world has ever been a piece
00:15:14.320 at some place in the world ever. But if you look what's going on now, you look at 15 million people
00:15:21.400 across the border in three years under Biden. Trump's four years, 1.4 million. Why are we not
00:15:26.300 up in arms about 15 million people coming across the border? I honestly believe we're going to have
00:15:30.520 a 9-11 in 30 cities across America when the time is right for these guys. They're already projecting
00:15:35.500 at least 800,000 terrorists have come into our country. What the hell? Why are not people up in
00:15:40.320 arms about that? Why are people not screaming? This is absolutely ridiculous. And it's got
00:15:44.220 to be on purpose. Why else would it be going on and nobody say anything and letting our government
00:15:48.500 do it? It's weird. I remember people getting my face about it years ago about having an open
00:15:53.140 border. I said, well, let me ask you something. Do you lock your house at night? And they go, well,
00:15:57.960 yeah. And I go, why? Look at America's huge house and millions of people that we don't know
00:16:02.800 coming in. And there's one woman I looked at and said, okay, let me ask you something. Because
00:16:07.440 she did a 180 on me. She was a fan. Then right away, boom, we should have open borders. She's like
00:16:11.580 in my face about it. And I said, what if you're home right now? And there were seven illegal aliens
00:16:16.600 in your living room. And she said, I'd let them stay. And I just started, you can't help but laugh
00:16:21.300 at these people because they pretend they're so virtuous and so perfect. And we're the party of
00:16:25.980 love. They're the party of hate. They're the party of destruction. And I said, you know what?
00:16:30.140 Give me your address. I can easily find cell. I was living in LA at the time. I said, every corner I go
00:16:34.960 in LA, there's a bunch of them waiting for a job. I said, let me bring them to your house and you'll let
00:16:38.760 them stay. And I said, you're so funny because I know three days into a Christmas holiday, you're
00:16:42.580 ready for your family to leave. But you let these people you don't know stay in your house. Give me
00:16:45.980 a break. And it's because what you're talking about actually is common sense. And I think the more that
00:16:52.180 we talk about these subjects, the more I realize is that the higher up you go when it comes to status
00:16:58.100 and money, the more you divorce, you become from reality. So the more you're likely to believe
00:17:03.160 narratives, like open borders are good. When anybody, regardless of race, gender, whatever
00:17:08.940 it is, who lives in those communities that are affected by this, they can tell you pretty
00:17:15.420 honestly about what's going on.
00:17:16.980 Of course. I mean, look, they scream walls don't work. I go, really? These are the people
00:17:22.160 that have walls around their house. They have guards. They have all. I mean, once the guys laugh
00:17:26.960 at the open hypocrisy of these people, especially in L.A., these big A-list actors and producers and
00:17:32.900 directors and all the people in Washington, D.C. But look at the crime that's going on right now.
00:17:38.320 Steve Buscemi was just smacked in the face just the other day walking on the streets of New York.
00:17:42.120 Some black guy, big dude, they got him on films, walking up to him and popping him in the face and
00:17:47.060 walking away. And I said, this stuff is just weird that they were letting this happen. We got people
00:17:51.240 pushing people into subways, pushing them in front of trams coming in. It's crazy what we're doing
00:17:57.900 in this world right now. And people have got to start standing up. I don't get it. I mean,
00:18:02.660 I want my kids to grow up and have a safe world to live in. I want my grandkids to grow up and have
00:18:06.640 a safe world to live in. So I don't know. We'll see what happens. But people, we've reached a tipping
00:18:11.060 point and it's got to start moving the other way.
00:18:14.000 And in terms of Hollywood, was it not always like this in terms of the people who were there
00:18:19.660 were kind of increasingly divorced from reality? Obviously, very left wing.
00:18:25.180 You know, you remember the communist sympathizers in Hollywood, which were there the whole time.
00:18:30.260 Do you think it's changed over time or has it just always been like this?
00:18:33.960 I think it's been that way for a long time. But I think, like I said, I think the bubbles are
00:18:37.420 starting to move a little bit because I get more people come up to me, as I say, saying thanks for
00:18:41.300 being a voice because they're there. I know that more and more people. There was a group that we had
00:18:45.540 that a lot of actors put together back 15 years ago, Gary Sinise, a couple other people,
00:18:51.340 called FOA, Friends of Abe. And that's, you know, Abe Lincoln, our first conservative president.
00:18:56.060 That was sort of a, we're trying to copy, I guess, what they're doing in the West Hollywood
00:19:01.080 world to find out if you're Gary and I, are you friends of Dorothy? So the Wizard of Oz type of
00:19:05.740 things. And we grew to like 2,600 strong. That's people on both sides of the camera, from camera
00:19:10.260 operators to agents to lawyers to actors, whatever it may be. So there is a stronger and bigger
00:19:15.300 voice out there. But a lot of people are still afraid to come out. I'm not going to name the
00:19:18.620 ones I know that are really big name guys. And I know them. They come up to me and say,
00:19:22.840 I'm not ready to do what you did because I'm still working a lot, you know. And I get it. I get that
00:19:27.120 fear. But I wish they would have the balls that come out and finally fight back because we need to
00:19:32.620 fight back and we need to open up the reality of the world. And I just look at, when I first moved
00:19:37.760 there in the late 80s, I thought it was great, a great time to be there. And then up through the 90s,
00:19:42.760 I booked Hercules in 93 and I lived in New Zealand seven years. But at that time, I didn't
00:19:48.260 see that kind of hate and anger. I didn't see any racism. I didn't see any, you know, people
00:19:53.060 attacking the Jews or attacking the Christians. Now, if you're a Christian or a Jew, look at all
00:19:57.680 the attacks people have got in this country right now. This country is founded on Judeo-Christian
00:20:01.660 values. That's what founded this country. The founding fathers who signed the documents,
00:20:06.240 these guys were all practicing Christians. And now we got students at Ivy League schools that
00:20:11.180 want to tear down plaques that have been up there since the mid-1700s at, you know, Ivy League
00:20:15.460 schools and say, that's not us anymore. I'm going, I posted on Twitter to all these people
00:20:20.740 riding right now. I said, you guys better keep your tents because you're going to need them after
00:20:23.640 you graduate.
00:20:26.120 And you mentioned Hollywood obviously has a very strong Jewish presence. Do you think,
00:20:29.880 do you think there's been a shift in attitude somewhat post-October 7th? Do you think people
00:20:35.440 are starting to wake up and realize that this so-called progressive ideology is really a hateful
00:20:40.780 ideology that will always end up in anti-Semitism and hatred against white people and men and all
00:20:46.820 sorts of other groups? Do you think people are waking up?
00:20:48.960 I hope they're waking up. I'm not really seeing any big movement in that world. I'm not in
00:20:53.520 Hollywood anywhere. I escaped California five and a half years ago. I've always, I've got,
00:20:58.020 my wife and I both have family in Florida. We all were coming out of her for years. We talked
00:21:01.280 about moving out. I just reached a point and said, I'm done. And she said, let's go. Because I,
00:21:05.880 every time I got into 101 or the 405 and you drive 20 miles, it's going to take you two hours.
00:21:10.160 They said, I'm tired of doing this and I don't need to do anymore. I was well-established.
00:21:14.020 I was shooting every, every movie I shoot is in Texas or further East. Nothing shoots in
00:21:18.260 California, pretty much sitcoms. And, you know, and most our shows now are up in Vancouver.
00:21:23.240 They're up in Toronto. Georgia's number one place to film right now for movies. So, uh, you know,
00:21:28.780 it is called show business and they can pretend all they want once again, that, uh, they want to,
00:21:34.400 you know, they're going to be there for this or for that. But the reality is they still want to make
00:21:37.560 money and keep your stockholders and board members happy. So, um, I remember they, it was
00:21:43.060 Georgia a couple of years ago said, you know, something about an abortion ban in Hollywood.
00:21:47.220 We're leaving Georgia. I said, give it two months. They'll, they're not going to, they're not going
00:21:50.760 to leave. It's like every election. If Bush gets elected, we're moving to Canada. All he's A-lister.
00:21:55.500 Uh, then, you know, Trump gets like moving to Canada. They don't move. Yeah. They don't move.
00:21:59.420 And I've asked some of them. I bumped into some of these guys and I know I'm not going to name their
00:22:02.920 names. And I've walked up and I go, uh, so when are you moving to Canada? He's look at me, you
00:22:08.020 know, cause it's, it's all just, it's all just like, do, do, do I care if some of these big name
00:22:13.480 actors moved to Canada? I think most people don't give a crap, but you know, they sit there and play
00:22:18.180 this heavy handed thing. I remember George Clooney is at the con film festival. He goes very cocky.
00:22:24.160 And I like George. I mean, he's always been cool to me. We don't know each other well, but the few
00:22:27.300 times we bumped, he's always, and I'm sure he knows rice Dan, but he's always been a cool guy to me.
00:22:30.900 Very nice. Alec Baldwin's always been fair to me. He knows that Stephen Baldwin and I pretty much
00:22:35.680 conservative Christian guys. And, uh, he's never been a jerk to me, but, uh, I, I, I, I sit there
00:22:42.240 and George Clooney was saying that he had, um, Julia Roberts next to him and he goes, Donald Trump
00:22:47.920 is not going to be elected president. And of course he got elected president. So I would have been a fly
00:22:52.700 in that room when Hillary found out all the voter cheating that they did as well. Um, they realized
00:22:57.760 they didn't do enough. That's why they were set for Biden. Don't you find it weird, Kevin,
00:23:02.580 that in a Hollywood, it's more accepted to be a Scientologist than a Christian? Yeah, it's weird,
00:23:11.180 but I got it. I got to go Tom Cruise credit because Tom's staying down a road. That's kind
00:23:15.540 of interesting. It's almost neutral in a way. And, uh, when he came out with the last one,
00:23:20.080 the Maverick top gun thing, um, China, which I did a documentary on them called the Hollywood
00:23:25.260 takeover. It's a Chinese takeover Hollywood. Um, when his movie came out, they were trying,
00:23:30.400 they said, you got to take that Taiwan patch off your jacket and then COVID it. And they
00:23:35.100 held on the movie for a while. And he thought about, I'm sure he had a lot to do with this.
00:23:38.160 And when the movie came out, he said, no, we're not going to take it off. And China wouldn't take
00:23:42.900 the movie still made a billion dollars, probably could have made 2 billion and that 1.5 billion people
00:23:47.080 in China, but he stood up against them in a very quiet way. It wasn't like, no, we're just
00:23:51.120 leaving it on. But China is certainly, uh, going to make sure that whatever comes into China movie
00:23:56.020 wise would be never be anything negative about China. If it's negative about America, they're
00:24:01.780 all for it. They're all for it. So, you know, we see, we see that, you know, they have a lot
00:24:06.060 of control and content. They own half the movie theaters here now in America. They, they bought
00:24:09.940 up hundreds of thousands of, of farmland. Uh, they're not, they're, they own half the movie
00:24:14.960 theaters. They don't. Oh yeah. Hey, I think they own all AMC. You can check on that, but
00:24:20.160 I'm pretty sure they own AMC theaters. Wow. So, and also there was, it's been talked
00:24:26.420 about time and time again about how did Disney capitulate to China? Sure. So, and when you
00:24:32.840 look at that, you go, who's actually in charge? Is it the studios or is it China? Because if
00:24:38.500 it's China, that's kind of worrying. I, I recommend Hollywood, check out Hollywood
00:24:43.380 Takeover. It's, it's an amazing documentary and I'm barely in it. I'm in it. My wife's
00:24:48.840 in it, but there really follows one producer in particular that finally woke up when his
00:24:54.240 wife said, are you okay with this? I mean, he's done Iron Man and all these big, big movies
00:24:58.300 that have gone over there. And he realized, my God, we're just basically selling our soul
00:25:02.720 to the Chinese. And that's what we're doing. That's what our government's doing. I think
00:25:05.740 China owns, I'm sure most of our debt is with China and you know, everything we got, I'm
00:25:11.620 sure there's made in China. If we look at the bottom of these cups. And so I got a buddy
00:25:16.520 does business over there all the time. Here's an interesting thing because I, this is a golfing
00:25:20.400 buddy of mine, but he's in the furniture business. He does business over there. Also Vietnam and
00:25:24.480 Turkey travels quite a bit. He says to move, if you're a citizen of China, to move from one
00:25:29.780 province to the next is huge. You need a lot of paperwork to be able to do it. They guide every
00:25:33.720 move you do. How come we got 50,000 Chinese that have just come across the border in San
00:25:38.100 Diego over the last six months? Who are these? Are they, are they prisoners? Are they military?
00:25:43.900 How did they get into Mexico to be able to come up here?
00:25:48.180 Yeah. It's very hard to leave China. It's very hard. It's very hard. So this is kind of
00:25:51.800 interesting what's going on. And once again, we're just kind of sitting around going, whatever.
00:25:55.700 Yeah. And because we're talking about Christianity and being a Christian in Hollywood, there's a
00:26:02.240 couple of people who are open about it and you've seen the backlash, but it doesn't seem to have
00:26:09.680 affected them. I think Chris Pratt is one of them. Yeah. He's an open Christian. Yep. Very,
00:26:14.240 very much so. Open Christian. I know. No, he is. He's very open about it. Yeah. Yeah. I met him one
00:26:19.020 time. Seems like a really cool guy. And I never thought looking at Parks and Recreation that this
00:26:23.520 guy, look at this guy was 50 pounds overweight. Let's make him a superstar, you know, action hero,
00:26:27.660 but he's great at it. Yeah. He's, it's, it's, I love his movies. I love his acting. He's just,
00:26:32.240 I would love to work with him sometime. Um, it, I think it's hurt him a little bit,
00:26:36.260 but it hasn't hurt him a little bit because he's too big. You know, it's like John Voight. You know,
00:26:40.260 I know John Voight very well. And John, John, it was years ago. He told me, he said, I don't leave
00:26:44.440 Hollywood. It left me. Dennis Miller, not Hollywood. I didn't leave the Democrat party. It left me.
00:26:48.900 Yeah. Cause it keeps moving further and further left. Exactly. Um, I, I look at a guy like Bill Maher,
00:26:53.640 who's, I'm sure you've seen some of the statements he's had the last couple of years. Cause he, he,
00:26:57.980 I would, I would say he's a JFK Democrat. You know, if you look at JFK's inauguration speech
00:27:03.420 in 1960, there's no Democrat talking that way today. In fact, one of his famous quotes is on his grave
00:27:08.920 site in Arlington. There was says, dude, ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do
00:27:13.360 for your country. Is there any Democrat talking the way? Is there any Republican talking that way today?
00:27:17.560 There's a lot of rhinos in there too right now. So the whole movement of politics in America keeps moving
00:27:22.360 more and more left. I think it was Brezhnev when he was a president in Russia, he said,
00:27:27.080 we don't have to bring communism to America. Communism will just happen in America. And he
00:27:31.760 wasn't wrong. And that was 70 years ago. He said that. Are you familiar with a guy called Yuri
00:27:35.940 Basmanov? No. Oh, you'd love to check him out. So he was a KGB defector who came to Canada and then
00:27:42.260 came to America. Wait, I think I've seen his interview. I bet you have. I bet you have. He talks about the
00:27:47.340 way demoralization and how the Soviet Union was spending a lot of money to infiltrate.
00:27:53.220 Is that in the 70s? Yeah. I've seen it. I've seen it then. I bet you have. I've seen the video.
00:27:57.020 And one of the things he talks about is that the society which is being infiltrated in this way
00:28:03.480 has to be willing to do this, which is why I think I come back to your point about what's
00:28:07.120 happening on college campuses, because I think a lot of this is about what kids have been taught
00:28:12.080 in school and in college. Of course. What did Lenin say? Bullshit revolution. He said the best way to
00:28:17.640 control a population is through education. We've been doing America for decades. It's just
00:28:22.140 accelerated the last 20, 25 years. When I was in school, even in university, I know there are
00:28:28.780 politics around, but everybody, whether I was the teachers I had, I had a double business major in
00:28:34.440 college, and the teachers I had even in grade school through high school, nobody told me how to vote.
00:28:38.760 Nobody told me to believe in God or not believe in God. They taught the subjects that were being
00:28:42.860 paid to teach. So where did that just really start to change so much more? I mean, we took the Bible
00:28:49.160 out of school back in 1964, and that was sort of the first start of it all. But it's interesting to
00:28:55.420 me to see how quickly things have changed, because I look at all these teachers down in their 20s and
00:28:59.680 30s. They are indoctrinated all through grade school, college, and look where they are now. Look at the
00:29:05.760 craziness we got going right now, where I said we should have a camera in every school room. Every
00:29:12.820 school room should have a camera, and they fought back on that. It's like, why? You don't want us to
00:29:17.620 see, with our tax dollars, our kids are in there, and you guys are going to sit there and indoctrinate
00:29:21.640 them? You're going to tell my 10-year-old boy that, you know, just because he put on my wife's
00:29:27.380 high heels that we should cut off his penis now? I mean, it's crazy what we're doing out there right
00:29:31.200 now. To me, it's like, I don't, I have, look, I work with the gay population all the time. Almost
00:29:36.280 every movie I've ever done, there's somebody gay on the set. I don't care. It doesn't affect my
00:29:40.380 lifestyle. I don't care what you pick, but don't sit there and mutilate these kids at such a young
00:29:44.340 age. If 18 years old is where you can go into the army, and you can be killed to defending America,
00:29:50.340 then maybe that's the age you should be able to make a decision where you want to do with your life,
00:29:53.880 whether you want to be a boy or a girl, whatever it may be. Bruce Jenner waited until 60,
00:29:58.040 okay? So it's like, why are you, are you, are you doing this to kids now? Because I'm already
00:30:02.840 seeing a number of stories of kids that did it 20 years ago. They're 25 now. I've seen plenty of
00:30:06.800 them in interviews, looking at their mom and going, why? I was five, mom. What were you thinking?
00:30:11.500 You know? And so it's, to me, it's, I know we're kind of segwaying something else right now,
00:30:16.060 but I look at that and it kind of makes me angry that you're doing this to kids. Let them grow up and
00:30:20.600 be mature enough to make that kind of decision. Don't you force it on them and confuse them. There's a great
00:30:25.020 video. There's a guy's in a, he's in a, like a very hospital looking room, which is, everything's
00:30:30.900 just white, very, very sterile. It's got a little table in front of him. One kid at a time, seven
00:30:35.720 years old. They're all like six, seven years old, $5,000 cash and two Oreo cookies. You can have one,
00:30:40.840 you can't have both. They all pick the cookies because a little six-year-old kid in his brain
00:30:44.880 can't go, $5,000. I could buy a lot of Oreo cookies. They're not thinking that way, you know?
00:30:49.540 And they're telling me that they're old enough to make a decision on cutting their penis off or not. Come on.
00:30:53.080 Well, Francis used to be a teacher and he always loves to tell the story about when he asked,
00:30:57.660 was he seven years old? Would you want to be when you grow up? Oh yeah. Well, yeah. He was six.
00:31:03.040 I think he was six. Yeah. I asked him, what do you want to be when you grow up? And he goes to me,
00:31:06.980 I want to be a dog. There you go. That's kids, right? That's kids. No, this stuff is pretty crazy.
00:31:13.040 They live in a make-believe world. That's just fine. I had fantasies, all kinds of, you know? I want to be a
00:31:18.320 dragon slayer and hell. Years later, I got to be Hercules. And you mentioned COVID and obviously
00:31:25.240 one of the things that happened with you is you were pretty outspoken during that. Sure. And you
00:31:29.120 were banned from Facebook, weren't you? Yeah. Lost 4 million followers who are speaking the truth.
00:31:33.980 And all I was doing, most of my posts on Facebook were other doctors saying, wait a minute. I mean,
00:31:40.280 I've even put on Fauci saying in 2017 about mask wearing, oh, you don't need to wear masks. In fact,
00:31:45.660 when COVID hit in 2020, whatever it was, he even said the first time around, you won't need masks.
00:31:51.280 Same in the UK. Yeah. And what happens? He gets backstage. I said, don't say that, man. Tell them
00:31:55.340 they all got to wear a mask. And now they come out. I said, masks are useless. I came out, look,
00:31:59.360 I started posting doctors saying this virus is 75% smaller or something than the flu virus.
00:32:04.780 Goes right through the mask. Makes no sense. It's crazy. We're doing that. So I was misinformation.
00:32:10.420 I was, you know, all this conspiracy theories. So of course, everything I said in 2020 and 2021,
00:32:15.400 is now all come true. That was another Twitter post or X post. I keep, I'll save Twitter forever.
00:32:20.300 Probably. Um, I said, I need more conspiracy theories because all of mine keep coming true.
00:32:25.020 So, and it's true. It's like, where's the apologies for that? Where's the Rachel Maddow from,
00:32:30.280 from CNN who said, you better take the shots or you're going to kill grandma.
00:32:33.900 And we found out everything they're doing was on purpose. Take away, take away Ivermectin. Why
00:32:38.940 that stuff has been around forever.
00:32:40.840 Do you think it's on purpose, Kevin? Or do you just think that people have a particular
00:32:45.840 way of looking at the world and that means they behave in a certain way? Do you know what
00:32:50.220 I mean? Because I think I'm always wary of looking at things being done on purpose as
00:32:58.060 opposed to people just being idiots. You know what I mean? There's always that balance.
00:33:03.900 And also during COVID, there was a lot of fear, as you say. Yeah.
00:33:06.720 Yeah. And when people are scared, they tend to do silly things. Well, you know, it's amazing. If
00:33:10.600 you look at the left, you look at the liberals, you look at the Democrats, you go back to the
00:33:13.780 sixties. Okay. What do you got? You got the Kennedy's assassinations. You got Martin Luther
00:33:17.380 King. You got the Vietnam war. You got, um, you got the rock and roll getting very political
00:33:21.340 because of Vietnam war. Uh, and everybody on that left in that liberal Democrat world is don't
00:33:26.500 trust the man. Don't trust the man. But the man was always the government. It go 50 years
00:33:31.760 later. And all of a sudden they've flipped in the trust of science, trust of science. They kept saying,
00:33:36.160 kind of going, but that's what science is. It's always questioning there. That's what you do as
00:33:40.760 a scientist. You're always wondering, I wonder if this, do you think it possibly could be this
00:33:44.640 here? They rushed it out. There's a great thing from Fauci in 2017 where he's been interviewed and
00:33:49.900 talked about vaccines. And he said, you really need eight to 10 years. You need to really test these
00:33:54.400 things before we put them out there. They rushed this vaccine out in eight or nine months. And you look
00:33:58.520 at the number of deaths that have come for that and the quietness. I know an American airline pilot who
00:34:02.180 would not take it. And he's now trying to protect all these other pilots that have taken it. There's
00:34:07.120 so many pilots that they call brain fog. Ones that have got myocarditis and died. All these things. We
00:34:11.820 have an 800% higher percent of kids, 24 and younger dying after they took these shots. And we're not,
00:34:17.540 we're saying it's all, well, we don't know what they died of. It's really weird that this 18 year old
00:34:20.760 kid fell down on the football field and died. Why aren't we talking about it? Why are we not looking at it?
00:34:24.900 I know personally a friend, his wife was pregnant and I said, don't take the shots because I know
00:34:29.460 they're left leaning. I still have liberal friends. I have atheist friends, agnostic friends. I don't
00:34:33.300 hate people that have different point of view than me at all. Open speech, I think is awesome.
00:34:37.800 We may not agree, but I can still have a talk about it. Yeah, of course. And to me, it's like,
00:34:41.800 I've never had, I've never had a problem with that. And that's because of what my parents tell me.
00:34:45.280 But I said, don't take the shots. She went and took the shots. Seven months pregnant. Baby died three
00:34:49.260 weeks later. They did an autopsy filled with blood clots. You tell me that's a coincidence?
00:34:53.540 Kevin, but I think to your point is we're starting to have a conversation about it. Look,
00:35:00.600 look what's happened with AstraZeneca, you know? So that has been taken off the market. And now
00:35:05.940 we're seeing in the mainstream press, people coming out going, I've had severe vaccine injuries as a
00:35:11.280 result of this. I read in the Times of London, literally this morning, this woman from the
00:35:16.140 United States, she volunteered. She was part of the volunteer program to test the shots. And as a
00:35:21.300 result, she has severe life-limiting injuries. There was a point in time where that wouldn't
00:35:27.620 be in the mainstream, but now that is. So I think part of it is time as well, Kevin.
00:35:32.540 You're right. Time is part of the healing process as well. But no, you're right. More and more people
00:35:38.300 now are saying, wait a minute. And more and more people like you are bringing to the forefront as
00:35:42.940 well, at least saying we should look at this and question this. Because I know I've seen a lot of
00:35:46.960 podcasts from people too doing the same thing. Well, we were saying at the time, and look, by the way,
00:35:51.120 I think the vaccines probably saved a lot of lives is just forcing it on people who didn't need to
00:35:56.640 take it. Pregnant women, young men, kids, right? All of that stuff just didn't make any logical sense.
00:36:02.700 And that's what worried me because you've got this thing that is going to save a lot of people's
00:36:07.440 lives, but then you're lying to people. And the thing that was made obvious to me is when Francis
00:36:12.820 and I both had COVID early on, and they were like, you still got to have the vaccine. And then I was
00:36:18.200 like, no, this doesn't make sense. Another Fauci interview I saw. Okay. The guy said,
00:36:22.620 my wife just had a huge, this was before COVID, really got nailed with the flu. She was sick for
00:36:27.400 a couple of weeks. And he said, should she take the flu shot? And he said, well, no, she already
00:36:33.560 had the flu. She's built up an immune system. He says, that's the best thing. She doesn't need the
00:36:37.080 shot. And now they're saying you need the shot. I read recently up there in Trudeau, Fidel's son,
00:36:43.380 up there in Canada said that they want to pass it, that everybody in Canada has to take the shot,
00:36:48.580 the COVID shot every three months or something like that. I said, what, why? Why? I mean,
00:36:53.620 when I look at all these teenage girls that their parents had their kids take the shots, 14, 15,
00:36:58.020 16, I'm wondering in 10, 15 years, if they want to get pregnant, if they're going to be able to get
00:37:01.520 pregnant. Because now we've read stuff that attacks not only the sperm count in men, but it attacks the
00:37:07.020 ovaries in women as well.
00:37:08.460 And as well, we don't know the long-term effects. We don't know the long-term effects. So that may
00:37:14.160 very well be true. It may not be.
00:37:15.740 Sure, exactly.
00:37:16.680 But the thing that I worry about is that it's damaged people's faith in vaccines. And vaccines
00:37:21.820 have been one of the most amazing technologies that have saved millions upon millions of lives.
00:37:29.020 So as a former teacher, we're now seeing kids not taking the measles vaccine. Measles is a very
00:37:34.900 serious illness, which can really create life-changing and life-limiting injuries in children.
00:37:40.640 It's highly contagious. And if a woman contracts it when she's pregnant, that means that the baby can
00:37:47.360 be really severely affected. And it can kill you if you're an adult and you can get it. And now in
00:37:54.040 schools, we're seeing outbreaks of measles.
00:37:55.940 Yeah. I mean, I took all the shots when I was a kid, but I think that the quality of the shots,
00:38:00.720 I think that the makeup of the shots have changed a little bit because I'm sure you've seen this too,
00:38:05.980 just the number of kids that are affected by these shots in different ways, the autism,
00:38:10.400 it was just huge. It wasn't like a big deal back then, but now it just seems like it's exploded.
00:38:14.980 I think that was a guy in the UK called, I think, Andrew Wakefield, which has been debunked. I don't
00:38:20.260 think there's any evidence that shows vaccines cause autism. But I think France's point is that
00:38:25.220 that's the kind of people, that's the kind of questions people are going to start asking.
00:38:28.780 Was it diet? Why is autism so much more common today?
00:38:31.440 I actually don't know. Well, we're trying to work it out. And look-
00:38:34.320 I'd love to know the answer.
00:38:35.320 Me too. And I don't think any of us is a scientist, so we're probably going to have a hard time
00:38:38.960 working it out on the podcast. But I think what the people are talking about, environmental factors,
00:38:45.680 diet, microplastics, there's all sorts of things. I don't think it's vaccines specifically,
00:38:49.880 but I think it's interesting that we're having this conversation because this is exactly what
00:38:54.120 you were talking about, which is if you force people to do things that are a priori, obviously
00:38:59.120 not the right thing for them to do, you create suspicion and then people will ask lots of
00:39:03.520 questions. Some of them will be reasonable, some unreasonable. And that seemed to me to be like
00:39:07.480 just a very unwise thing to have.
00:39:09.720 Well, diet looks like it could be something. There's a documentary called Food Inc. I highly
00:39:14.200 recommend it. And it shows you, they just jack these chickens up in these steroids. Because if you
00:39:19.660 look at, you look at, you go to the grocery store and you see the size of these chicken
00:39:23.240 breasts, and then you get the organic ones, and they're about half the size. And you're
00:39:27.120 going, I mean, these chickens, when I saw this documentary, they can't even stand up and
00:39:30.380 walk anymore. They put on so much weight.
00:39:31.900 Yeah.
00:39:32.220 And they grow so much more faster. You're going, maybe all this stuff isn't that good
00:39:36.040 for us.
00:39:36.660 No, absolutely it isn't. And it's also as well, the fact that people are having kids later
00:39:40.940 on in life. The later that you have kids are more likely, they are to be born with genetic
00:39:45.560 defects, et cetera. So there's also part of that. For instance, something like Down syndrome
00:39:50.600 is related to the age of the mother. Autism might very well be related to the age of the
00:39:55.560 mother or the age of the father. So there are lots of things that I think, and this is
00:40:01.380 the problem.
00:40:01.840 You're right. They're having it later. You're right.
00:40:03.040 Yeah. And this is a problem. Unless you're prepared to be honest and come out and go,
00:40:08.040 look, we made mistakes. This was a pandemic and we were too hasty with certain things.
00:40:16.120 We got it wrong.
00:40:17.440 Yeah.
00:40:17.680 I think people would understand that because people would go, you know what? We were all
00:40:21.520 terrified. February 2020, I was terrified because I was going, what's going to happen?
00:40:26.600 Is this going to be like the Spanish flu of, I think, 1918 when millions of people died?
00:40:33.360 Is that what we're facing?
00:40:34.600 That is what happened. Millions of people died.
00:40:36.300 Yeah. So, yeah, millions of people died.
00:40:38.440 It was a bad disease, but just the panic and the fear and the lies, I think, undermined
00:40:42.880 a lot of people's confidence.
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00:41:14.140 Anyway, let's come back to movies because one of the things we wanted to ask you is
00:41:18.400 The Daily Wire is making movies.
00:41:20.660 You and others are making movies from a different perspective.
00:41:24.240 Do you think that's the way this gets resolved ultimately?
00:41:28.220 The Daily Wire is the market or do you think there's some other ways that this can be brought
00:41:33.520 back to a healthy position?
00:41:35.520 I like both of my movies.
00:41:37.100 I brought up the one with the Hollywood Takeover documentary.
00:41:41.660 I have another movie that's opening August 2nd.
00:41:43.600 It's completed down around.
00:41:44.400 We're doing screenings around the country right now.
00:41:46.300 And that's called Firing Squad.
00:41:49.320 What are they about?
00:41:50.540 Well, it's a true story.
00:41:51.520 Firing Squad.
00:41:52.020 And both of those are with Epoch Times.
00:41:54.540 So Epoch now is throwing their hat in the ring to do what the same thing daily was.
00:41:58.040 Yeah.
00:41:58.240 They all want to get involved in doing this because they see an opening in there to get
00:42:01.820 better stories out there.
00:42:03.020 This is a true story set in Indonesia.
00:42:06.260 And I play a guy, I'm in the, Cooper Gooding Jr.'s in the movie with me.
00:42:09.040 Oh, great.
00:42:09.680 Cool.
00:42:10.360 And it's a true story about my character when he was in his 20s, American guy, he was surfing
00:42:15.700 over there, noticed his girlfriend flirting with some guy on the beach.
00:42:19.040 Paddled in, got out, ended up killing the guy in a fight.
00:42:22.220 Got the death sentence in Indonesia.
00:42:24.780 While he was in prison, those 30 years he was in prison, he found God.
00:42:27.940 He found Jesus.
00:42:28.600 He became a pastor.
00:42:29.380 And he saved a lot of souls of inmates and other guards in that prison.
00:42:37.820 He was ultimately still shot to death in 2015.
00:42:41.060 So it's pretty recent.
00:42:42.300 So it's firingsquadfilm.com.
00:42:44.100 Please go check it out.
00:42:44.920 It comes on August 2nd in America, but hopefully it goes everywhere.
00:42:47.680 But it's a true story.
00:42:49.760 Tim Che directed it.
00:42:50.740 Wonderful director.
00:42:51.540 He's done a lot of these type of movies.
00:42:52.720 I love true stories myself.
00:42:54.440 And so I think a lot of these independent movies are going to keep on going.
00:42:57.980 The Irwin Brothers do quite a few of these as well.
00:43:00.580 And I think there's a huge audience.
00:43:02.220 Like I said, there's 80 million homes that want these kind of movies that have redemption
00:43:05.860 and hope.
00:43:06.500 And I'm not saying that in a faith way.
00:43:09.000 I think people in the world right now are looking for hope.
00:43:12.340 They're looking for something that's positive in their lives because the fear factor is still
00:43:15.920 there.
00:43:16.400 Look, in America, I'm sure they did it over in your country as well.
00:43:19.620 Let's shut down churches.
00:43:21.740 Let's shut down mom and pop grocery stores because they're not essential.
00:43:25.160 But here in America, liquor stores were essential.
00:43:28.660 Strip clubs were essential, but not church.
00:43:30.920 I thought that was the weirdest thing to cut these down.
00:43:32.920 I said, guys, there's something more going in play here than just this fear factor while
00:43:37.020 COVID.
00:43:37.660 And you mentioned hope and a sense of vision for the future.
00:43:41.900 That's, I think that's really, really important.
00:43:45.100 And I'm sure as a Christian, you would say that the faith would be a big part of that.
00:43:50.200 What else can we use to bring people together and look forward to the future with a kind
00:43:57.280 of united vision and a sense of optimism?
00:44:00.300 Well, I think once again, it's just getting past the fear.
00:44:02.420 I always say I'm here to wake up the lions because the sheep are going to be sheep.
00:44:05.560 And I know that there's hardcore people on the left, hardcore people on the right.
00:44:09.580 I think we got to get the majority of people, I think, are more centralized or more just a
00:44:14.240 little bit maybe left, a little more right.
00:44:16.060 But those people, I think, if they actually got in a room together, they found out they
00:44:18.860 have a lot in common.
00:44:20.060 But right now, this perpetuating of this hate and this anger, I think, is a smaller part
00:44:25.160 of the population.
00:44:25.860 But for some reason, we give them most of the screen time, which is weird to me.
00:44:31.320 We got a battle on our hands.
00:44:33.080 And people just, like I said, need to wake up and not be afraid.
00:44:35.640 And that's the biggest thing.
00:44:36.740 So I think, here's the thing.
00:44:38.820 If I'm going to ask, you say you're agnostic.
00:44:41.720 If I say, hey, you want to go to my church?
00:44:43.380 And I get it.
00:44:44.240 You're going to ask church people there.
00:44:45.440 I don't know if I want to go.
00:44:46.180 Because there's a set idea of what church people are like.
00:44:48.540 And you go, how about going to a movie?
00:44:50.140 Because a movie is a much easier thing to get somebody to go to.
00:44:52.880 Through my site, through Sorbo Studios, I get emails every day through that site, people
00:44:57.240 saying I became a Christian because of your movies.
00:44:59.260 I've had atheists come up to me, agnostics come up to me and say, you know, I saw your
00:45:01.900 movie Soul Surfer.
00:45:02.620 I saw a movie, God's not dead.
00:45:03.880 I don't believe the way you do, but it's still a good movie and a good message.
00:45:06.220 I like it.
00:45:06.800 To me, that's a win.
00:45:08.400 If somebody wants to follow God and become a Christian or somebody who says, you know what, there
00:45:14.540 must be something higher than me that's running everything around here.
00:45:17.680 And I think that's where the hope comes in for people.
00:45:19.680 The redemption comes in for people.
00:45:21.000 Just look at a road, a different avenue to go down.
00:45:24.060 Because every time I go outside, I just get beat up.
00:45:26.620 I'm tired of getting beat up.
00:45:27.780 There was a great comedian, David Brenner.
00:45:29.680 You guys are probably too young to know who that guy was.
00:45:31.760 Jewish comedian, very funny.
00:45:32.920 And I remember seeing him live one time.
00:45:35.620 And he gets up there and he says, you know what?
00:45:37.920 If I walk out my front door, and every time I walk out my front door, somebody dumps a
00:45:41.940 bucket of shit on top of my head, eventually, I'm going to go out the back door.
00:45:46.360 It's just time to try a different avenue, a different road.
00:45:48.920 And that made perfect sense to me out there.
00:45:51.040 And that should make perfect sense for anybody and everybody out there to just maybe open
00:45:54.320 your mind a little bit and have a different perspective about what maybe somebody else
00:45:57.660 is looking at.
00:45:58.180 It's a very profound point, Kevin.
00:46:01.180 I also think when we're talking about Hollywood, the thing that I find quite horrific is they're
00:46:06.060 prepared to moralize and talk about how wonderful they are.
00:46:09.800 And yet some of the worst sexual abuses seem to be in Hollywood.
00:46:13.620 Like you saw what happened with Nickelodeon recently.
00:46:16.060 Yeah.
00:46:17.240 Is that something that you were kind of aware of what was going on, but it was hushed up?
00:46:23.780 Or was it something that was spoken about?
00:46:27.500 I think it was more hushed up than anything else.
00:46:30.100 Was I aware of it?
00:46:30.880 I knew some of that was going on because I knew that whole hashtag me too thing that was
00:46:35.580 happening.
00:46:36.320 I kept saying, well, why didn't you come out 20 years ago when that happened to you?
00:46:39.320 But a lot of people still want to work.
00:46:41.100 It was very common.
00:46:41.820 I remember going to L and when I first moved to LA, it was very common to go out to a restaurant
00:46:45.980 or a club or something and see these 21-year-old really hot babe starlets that want to be ones.
00:46:51.060 And maybe it was some 67-year-old guy that you know is a producer, director, somebody
00:46:55.080 in power to studio.
00:46:56.160 And that's going on.
00:46:57.240 And it's interesting.
00:46:58.060 I used to know Glenn Frey, who's passed away years ago from the Eagles.
00:47:02.360 And I asked him, Lion Eyes is one of my favorite songs from the Eagles.
00:47:06.440 And I asked him, like, a song like that, how do you come up with a song like that?
00:47:10.080 And he said, we were at a restaurant and we saw this little starlet with this older guy.
00:47:14.120 And one of the guys in the band said, look at those lion eyes.
00:47:16.440 And they looked at each other.
00:47:17.140 What did you say?
00:47:17.540 And they wrote the song that night because that stuff goes on all the time and still
00:47:22.380 goes on because these people come out there, they want to be the next big, big star, whether
00:47:26.680 you're a guy or a girl.
00:47:28.300 And they're willing to, almost a lot of them obviously wouldn't be willing to do anything.
00:47:31.520 And I think that casting couch has been alive forever since Hollywood started.
00:47:35.480 I think you can probably find plenty of stories from the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s of that as well.
00:47:40.320 So it was out there.
00:47:44.300 I didn't know a lot about it, but I was definitely not privy to the world of sex trafficking with
00:47:51.320 kids.
00:47:51.860 I'm much more aware of it now.
00:47:54.080 Jim Caviezel is a friend of mine.
00:47:55.260 We did the same manager and agent for a long, long time.
00:47:58.280 And they wrote that, the Freedom, Sound of Freedom, they shot that five, six years ago.
00:48:04.500 They had a hard time getting it out there.
00:48:06.160 And actually, Disney had the rights to it and were holding on to it.
00:48:09.560 They probably didn't want it out there.
00:48:10.780 They were able to buy it back.
00:48:11.920 And the Angel Studios has such a huge, major following because of The Chosen.
00:48:16.080 They said, look, you support this movie.
00:48:18.340 And when Hollywood came out and started bashing it, you're going, why are they bashing it?
00:48:22.680 Why are they against, you know, do they want to have sex with six-year-old kids?
00:48:26.460 It was a weird thing for them to open up.
00:48:28.360 And that gave that movie a second big boost because people on both sides of the political
00:48:33.000 aisle said, well, wait a minute.
00:48:34.060 It's not right to have sex with six- and seven-year-olds.
00:48:36.420 So let's, you know, let's support this movie.
00:48:37.980 And that's what sort of happened with it.
00:48:40.320 Kevin, what makes a great movie?
00:48:43.320 I think, look, I love, you know, do I like these action movies that come out with Thor
00:48:47.480 and the Spider-Man stuff?
00:48:48.620 Yeah, they're fun.
00:48:49.280 But it's like a roller coaster ride.
00:48:50.600 And those movies are now 50% just visual effects.
00:48:53.520 Yeah.
00:48:53.760 You know, the characters are all Spider-Man.
00:48:55.540 That's on him doing all these things.
00:48:56.720 Even a stunt guy.
00:48:57.920 That's an animation thing because it's gotten so good now, the effects.
00:49:01.080 But I think what makes a good movie, I think of the movies that I've been doing now,
00:49:04.120 what movies Hollywood used to do.
00:49:05.460 Movies that have a good story, movies that characters you can relate to on the screen,
00:49:09.160 movies that are, you know, you look at, when people ask me how, like your movies,
00:49:12.880 how long did it take to shoot?
00:49:13.700 I go, oh, four or five weeks.
00:49:14.940 And I go, what?
00:49:15.860 Because they're not thinking of James Cameron shooting three years in one avatar.
00:49:19.980 That's what they think movies are.
00:49:21.320 I said, there was a movie that Clint Eastwood directed, A Million Dollar Baby.
00:49:28.680 Oh, that's an incredible movie.
00:49:30.400 Morgan Freeman was Best Supporting, right?
00:49:32.020 Hilary Swank wins Best Actress.
00:49:33.400 That movie wins Best Movie.
00:49:34.720 They shot that in 27 days.
00:49:37.320 I didn't know that.
00:49:38.200 No special effects because it was actor-driven.
00:49:40.320 It was driven by the script and the dialogue.
00:49:42.980 The story is so powerful.
00:49:43.380 They only had like three different locations.
00:49:45.100 They didn't have to travel or where.
00:49:46.520 And so movies can be shot that quickly.
00:49:48.260 And I think more movies like that need to be made.
00:49:50.780 And I think the independent world is fulfilling that.
00:49:53.460 Because I want to do movies that people, when they walk out, they go, you know what?
00:49:57.380 That was really kind of cool.
00:49:58.600 And they talk about the subject matter.
00:50:00.000 And they talk about it.
00:50:00.940 You walk out of a Spider-Man movie, you go, that was just a fun movie.
00:50:03.460 It was a great roller coaster ride.
00:50:05.500 You know, the first Iron Man, I think, was the best one.
00:50:07.840 Because there was a good story in there.
00:50:09.880 And it was his redemption as well.
00:50:12.200 Saying, I'm making these bombs, but a lot of them are going to the bad guys.
00:50:17.080 And we're killing a lot of people.
00:50:18.840 I'm creating weapons that both sides are using against each other.
00:50:22.060 And he says, maybe I shouldn't be doing that for a living.
00:50:24.580 Maybe I should come up with something that hopefully tries to bring peace to the world more than anything else.
00:50:28.180 Because he has the money and the brain power to do it as that character.
00:50:33.000 And I think those movies and the ones that I've been doing, I think that those are the type of movies that Hollywood wants.
00:50:39.020 And that's what drew me to Hollywood in the first place.
00:50:41.060 Old movies that Cary Grant was in, Spencer Tracy, Catherine Hepburn, Jimmy Stewart.
00:50:45.340 Those are the kind of movies I wanted to do.
00:50:47.020 And me, my hero as a little kid, was Paul Newman or Robert Redford.
00:50:50.800 Yeah.
00:50:51.240 I wanted to do movies like...
00:50:53.260 Butch Cassidy.
00:50:54.020 Butch Cassidy.
00:50:54.680 I wanted to do movies.
00:50:55.200 And, you know, here's the thing with Butch Cassidy's Sundance Kid.
00:50:58.280 Hollywood changed in the 60s.
00:50:59.660 That movie came out, I think, in 1969.
00:51:03.700 Those were really bad guys in real life.
00:51:05.920 They weren't these good-looking guys that could quip and be very funny and stuff like that.
00:51:09.260 And ultimately, they paid the price for their crimes.
00:51:11.940 They freeze-frame them because they didn't want to show them get shot by 700,000 Bolivian soldiers.
00:51:16.540 But at the same time, it was an interesting movie to watch.
00:51:20.260 It was fun.
00:51:20.900 You liked the camaraderie that they had with each other.
00:51:23.140 But ultimately, you knew they were bad guys.
00:51:24.820 But they had to pay for their sin of being the bad guys that they were.
00:51:27.900 But still, it's a movie you could relate to.
00:51:29.640 I look at Jeremiah Johnson.
00:51:31.740 Loved that movie.
00:51:32.760 Very little dialogue in it.
00:51:33.960 But that's where Robert Redford fell in love with the Sundance Film Festival came out of that
00:51:39.060 because they shot that in the mountains there in Utah.
00:51:41.440 And so there's some really wonderful things that come out of these movies that the guys have done.
00:51:45.800 So I'm going to always be drawn to the old movies.
00:51:48.240 And I love it that my daughter, who's 18 now, she loves watching all these old movies with me.
00:51:51.900 Oh, amazing.
00:51:52.540 Whether it's musicals like Music Man or Oklahoma, or if it's movies with, you know, the Philadelphia story and stuff like that.
00:51:58.640 They have great, great dialogue, great storylines.
00:52:01.840 And Hollywood just gets lazy now and just rehashing the same thing over and over again with these action movies.
00:52:05.860 What you're talking about, really, is meaning and a kind of moral message as well.
00:52:10.180 Yeah, and it doesn't have to be, you know, I kind of laugh when people think Christians, they think they're better than everybody else.
00:52:18.540 You know, there are bad Christians out there that have this idea that, you know, you better become a Christian, you know, because our way is the right way.
00:52:26.540 And I don't believe in that way.
00:52:28.160 I believe that everybody, look, I know people that are great people that are atheists, and they're good moral-based people.
00:52:34.400 They just happen to believe that, you know, this happened, and I just don't buy that you can get something from nothing.
00:52:40.180 But to me, it's like, I go, okay, who made this couch?
00:52:43.140 Somebody, exactly.
00:52:44.380 So it wasn't me, and it wasn't you.
00:52:46.220 So do I know how God started?
00:52:48.220 No, I don't.
00:52:48.800 But I believe one day I'll find out.
00:52:50.180 But to me, it's like, I look at the stars and go, there's something bigger than all this.
00:52:53.240 And you look at some of these guys, these great atheists of the world, and they kind of question that as well.
00:52:58.260 They kind of question that maybe there was some sort of intelligent being that started everything.
00:53:03.740 But to me, I don't push that on people, but I do movies that have good messages.
00:53:08.940 And some people just right now go, yeah, I think I kind of want to believe the way you do.
00:53:12.600 But like I told you earlier, I get people come up, I don't think the way you do, but I thought it was a good movie.
00:53:17.400 It made me think.
00:53:18.040 And to me, that's a win.
00:53:19.520 Kevin, it's been a wonderful interview.
00:53:21.380 Thank you so much for coming on the show.
00:53:23.360 The final question is always the same.
00:53:26.240 What's the one thing we're not talking about that we really should be?
00:53:29.680 I'm going to do something occurring right now with this Trump thing going on.
00:53:32.960 I mean, I look at like Antifa marching down the streets in BLM, and they're burning up buildings and cop cars.
00:53:38.480 They're attacking people with pipe irons and baseball bats, and they get arrested throughout the next day.
00:53:43.780 And Trump's sitting there in jail, or possibly in jail, on a misdemeanor that happened so many years ago.
00:53:49.220 And I'm looking at this going, okay, why are we not more people?
00:53:51.960 Well, the people on the right don't get together.
00:53:55.420 They're not as organized in their anger and hate as they are on the left.
00:53:58.200 I thought there should be a couple hundred protesters out there in front of the courtroom, but nobody's out there in front of the courtroom.
00:54:03.580 And I just find it interesting.
00:54:04.740 And then he goes out this weekend.
00:54:07.200 He was in New Jersey, and 100,000 people show up.
00:54:10.420 Biden goes out, 50 people don't show up in front of this guy.
00:54:12.840 So I'm like going, why are there not more people that are organized going and say, guys, this is ridiculous right now.
00:54:18.240 And I even saw on CNN.
00:54:19.520 I cannot remember his name.
00:54:20.680 He's one of the big, big, big guys on CNN.
00:54:22.880 And he said, if this was anybody other than Trump, this wouldn't even be a jury trial right now.
00:54:28.360 And he's not wrong.
00:54:29.040 And it's weird what's going on in America right now, where it's just the loss of freedom of speech, loss of freedom as a whole, and this whole blacklisting and going after people that you disagree with.
00:54:41.720 I'm going, you know, can't we just disagree and have a good conversation about it?
00:54:45.660 Just because you yell louder at me doesn't make you right.
00:54:48.620 It's a great place to end it.
00:54:50.060 Thank you very much, Kevin.
00:54:51.320 Thank you.
00:54:51.700 Join us on Locals, where we're going to carry on the conversation and where you get to ask Kevin your questions.
00:54:59.040 Our audience is tired of being lectured and talked down to by elitist millionaire hypocrite.