TRIGGERnometry - April 25, 2021


Larry Elder - ＂Police Systemic Racism Is a Dangerous Lie＂

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Francis Foster Konstantin Kisin
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Larry Elder Show Donald Trump Joe Biden Barack Obama George Floyd Hunter Biden Sam Harris George W. Bush Michael Jordan Brett Stevens LeBron James Hillary Clinton Jesse Jackson Jack Johnson Al Sharpton Uncle Tom Kelly Thomas George Herbert Walker Bush Thomas Jefferson High Michelle Pfeiffer and 31 more
＂Politics is an Addiction＂ - Jordan Hall ＂White Privilege is a Divisive Idea＂ - Funke Abimbola

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On this episode of The Larry Elder Show, Larry sits down with the host of the show, Larry Elder, to discuss why America is in the midst of racial turmoil. Larry and Francis discuss the current state of race relations in America, and how it has changed since the election of Barack Obama.

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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster.
00:00:08.000 I'm Constantin Kishin.
00:00:09.000 And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.
00:00:14.000 It does not get any more fascinating than the guest we have for you today.
00:00:18.000 He is the host of The Larry Elder Show. Larry Elder, welcome to Trigonometry.
00:00:21.000 Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.
00:00:23.000 It's a great pleasure to have you on. Most of our audience will be familiar with you,
00:00:27.000 you so we won't get into the the details of your life just yet uh listen the question i i've asked
00:00:32.220 glenn lowry i've asked other prominent black people black conservatives that we've spoken to
00:00:36.780 on the show has always been the same question i remember where i was where barack obama was elected
00:00:41.540 i know that you're not a fan of his but i remember where i was because it was a significant moment
00:00:47.360 to for a country that had had slavery for for centuries uh to elect a black man as president
00:00:53.240 was quite a thing i thought as just an outsider looking in what happened larry well i got a phone
00:00:59.740 call all over the country phone calls all over the country after obama got elected and i got a call
00:01:06.220 from someone from from the uk and they said president barack obama's just gotten elected
00:01:11.480 the first african-american president yet you did not support him wasn't that a bit awkward
00:01:16.480 and i said for him or for him or for me uh look um i am happy that people feel that his election
00:01:27.260 was a statement about how fair america is i felt america has been fair so that america would have
00:01:34.780 elected a a black person who was qualified for a very long period of time but for a lot of people
00:01:39.620 it was a confirmation that America has crossed the so-called racial divide.
00:01:46.020 I didn't feel that way at all. Again, I felt very happy that a man like that could get elected,
00:01:50.580 but I didn't think he made some deep statement about America. I'm in Los Angeles, and in 19,
00:01:55.660 I think it was 69, LA, which was the third largest city at the time, voted for a black mayor and
00:02:02.180 voted for him four times. He ran twice for governor of California, the largest state in the union,
00:02:06.980 and barely lost both times.
00:02:09.600 And so I thought his statement was made a long time ago
00:02:11.800 about how fair America is.
00:02:13.540 And Obama just came along and benefited from it.
00:02:15.860 This is a man who has a beautiful resume,
00:02:21.000 came out of nowhere to be a much more experienced politician
00:02:24.500 named Hillary Rodham Clinton. 0.99
00:02:26.040 And this is what's really important, guys.
00:02:27.920 In 2007, there was a Gallup poll.
00:02:31.480 And Gallup is probably the most prestigious
00:02:33.160 polling organization in America.
00:02:35.240 And they asked Americans, would you not vote for a black person referring to Obama? Would you not vote for a female referring to Hillary? On the Republican side, would you not vote for a Mormon referring to Mitt Romney who was competing for the nomination? Would you not vote for somebody who would be 72 years old when he became president referring to the aging John McCain?
00:02:57.120 Gallup found 5% of Americans said they would not, under any circumstances, vote for a black person.
00:03:02.600 11% said they would not vote for a female.
00:03:05.140 24% said they would not vote for a Mormon.
00:03:07.420 And 42% of Americans in 2007 said they would not vote for somebody who would be 72 years old when he became president.
00:03:14.340 So Obama had a lower hurdle, an easier path to the White House than these three white politicians who were far more well-funded and far more experienced and far better known. 0.57
00:03:27.180 So don't give me this crap about how Obama somehow made a statement about how fair America is.
00:03:34.020 America has been fair for a very, very long period of time, and he simply benefited from the changing racial attitudes that Americans have engaged in for decades. 0.96
00:03:43.080 Right. So that's what I'm getting at.
00:03:44.500 You paint what many people would argue is an idyllic picture of America,
00:03:47.820 which is great that you do that.
00:03:49.280 But what happened since?
00:03:50.860 What happened since, Larry?
00:03:52.020 Why is America, as we watch from the outside,
00:03:54.360 descending into chaos, seemingly, on these issues?
00:03:58.600 America descending into chaos?
00:04:00.340 Are you kidding me?
00:04:01.740 What about the riots?
00:04:02.820 What about the burning buildings?
00:04:04.040 What about every time a police officer shoots someone?
00:04:06.940 You know, we just had a case we're talking about.
00:04:09.520 A girl is stabbing another girl. Police officer arrives on the scene, shoots the soul, the person doing the soul.
00:04:17.240 And he's now the target. LeBron James is targeting him with tweets. Well, that's what I'm talking about.
00:04:21.920 OK, yeah. The reaction to the allegation of systemic racism is far more serious than the actual presence of systemic racism.
00:04:29.080 That's what's going on here. Let's just take police, for example.
00:04:31.660 You're right about these riots that took place in our street for four consecutive months.
00:04:36.080 a police officer an individual police officer was accused of murdering an individual named
00:04:42.680 george floyd nothing more nothing less but the media the democrats uh and um and politicians
00:04:48.840 have used this to further their own interest the media does it for ratings the politicians do it
00:04:53.220 for votes because as long as you've been convinced 13 of the population and that's the black 0.85
00:04:59.000 population that they are oppressed that they're persecuted by the dastardly white man whether it's 0.97
00:05:03.860 Republicans, Donald Trump, or the police, they're going to get 95% or so of black people to march 0.98
00:05:09.280 in there like lemmings and pull that lever for the Democratic Party. When you look at the numbers, 0.90
00:05:13.380 it paints a very different picture. There are roughly 50 million civilian police interactions
00:05:19.900 in America every year and a population of around 350 million people. That results into 11 million
00:05:26.000 arrests. 60,000 officers are assaulted every year, and last year between 50 and 60 officers
00:05:32.340 were killed by civilians. Out of all of that, the police kill on average, according to the
00:05:37.760 Washington Post, 1,000 people per year. 500 of them are white, 250 of them are black. So the 0.95
00:05:44.460 police kill twice as many whites as they kill blacks, and the police kill more unarmed whites 1.00
00:05:48.560 every year than they kill unarmed blacks. It's that the media does not care when an unarmed 0.99
00:05:52.720 white person is killed, but when an unarmed black person is killed, they act as if it's some sort of 0.77
00:05:56.840 referendum on the police. In fact, out of the 7,000 homicide victims last year, black, and that's 50% 0.95
00:06:03.820 of the total homicide victims in America, out of 13% of the population come 50% of the homicide
00:06:09.180 victims. That's roughly 7,000 black homicide victims last year. Out of that number, the number
00:06:15.360 of black unarmed people killed by cops, one third of one percent. Most blacks in America are killed 0.95
00:06:23.800 by other blacks just as most whites in america when they're killed are killed by other whites 0.99
00:06:27.860 it is a lie that the police are engaging in some sort of systemic racism against black people 0.96
00:06:32.360 it has been studied for decades there's a very long piece in the washington post dated
00:06:38.680 specifically april 27 2016 i know that because that's my birthday april 27 not the 2016 part
00:06:44.320 but um a long article about the uh series of tests and interviews with officers going back
00:06:50.780 over decades showing, if anything, the police are more hesitant, more reluctant to pull the trigger
00:06:56.680 on a black suspect than a white suspect. There are a group of researchers from a university called
00:07:01.380 Washington State University. They've done this experiment over decades, three different times,
00:07:06.300 spaced over several years. Each time, same result. The cops are three times more hesitant to pull
00:07:12.780 the trigger on a black suspect than a white suspect. The number one cause of preventable 0.82
00:07:17.840 death for young whites in America is accidents, like car accidents. The number one cause of 0.66
00:07:24.180 preventable death for young Blacks in America is homicide. A young Black man is eight to ten times 0.83
00:07:29.400 more likely to be a victim of a homicide than a young white man. That's why the cops are there. 0.97
00:07:34.740 It is an absolute lie that the police are engaging in systemic racism against Blacks. And it's not
00:07:40.000 just a harmless lie, it's a dangerous lie, because what happens is the police pull back when they're
00:07:45.820 victim to these false accusations. It's called the Ferguson effect, and now it's called the
00:07:51.540 George Floyd effect, where every time one of these high-profile shootings take place and the
00:07:55.880 cops are falsely accused of engaging in systemic racism, the police pull back and they just respond
00:08:01.660 to radio calls. They don't drive around looking to be proactive. Why should they? They're going
00:08:06.440 to put themselves in the middle of something. They could be accused of racism. So to hell with it.
00:08:10.820 Crime goes up. Bad guys know it. They're out in the streets. And what happens is young black men 1.00
00:08:16.480 are coached, trained to believe that the police are out to get them. So when you're pulled over 0.97
00:08:21.960 and you're a young black man, instead of it being just an ordinary police stop, it escalates into
00:08:26.460 something far more serious because you don't believe that the officer is there to protect
00:08:30.520 and serve. You believe that the officer is an enemy. So what you're doing is training young
00:08:34.940 black people not to cooperate. And therefore, these incidents escalate into something far 1.00
00:08:39.720 were deadly. Virtually every one of these incidents, guys, whether it's Eric Gardner in
00:08:44.100 New York or Michael Brown in Ferguson or George Floyd in Minneapolis or Jacob Blake in Atlanta,
00:08:52.120 virtually every one of these things would have been avoided had the young black men simply 1.00
00:08:56.240 complied. And if they felt that they were mistreated, get a name, get a bad number and
00:09:00.620 resolve it later on. Instead, the so-called leaders, including Joe Biden, are throwing
00:09:05.220 gasoline on all of this by lying about what the police are doing and making things far, far worse.
00:09:11.600 So the reaction to the allegation of systemic racism, gentlemen, is far, far worse than the
00:09:17.040 actual presence of systemic racism. Now, you say that, Larry, and, you know, it's a very,
00:09:22.500 very good point. When we look at what happened with George Floyd, that was a very, very, you
00:09:28.060 know, shocking incident, particularly for people, for us in the UK. Do you think that that is just
00:09:34.480 a one-off or unfortunately do you get bad apples in in the american police force and that this
00:09:41.160 happens every once in a while well i think in every organization you're going to have bad apples
00:09:45.760 uh maybe one percent of all police officers are like that the most horrific scandal in la history
00:09:52.800 is called the rampart scandal if you remember the movie that denzel washington starred in called
00:09:57.160 training day it was all about uh and inspired by the so-called rampart scandal which was a big big
00:10:02.680 scandal. It involved a grand total of 70 police officers out of the police force of close to
00:10:09.020 10,000. So it was less than 1%. Now, anything north of zero is too many, and one officer can
00:10:15.640 do a great deal of damage and damage the reputation of the other 99%, and we have to 0.98
00:10:21.600 deal with it. But to act as if it's some sort of broad-based performance on the part of the police
00:10:28.100 is extremely unfair. Even in the George Floyd case, in the prosecution's opening statement,
00:10:34.100 the prosecutor said, a black man, by the way, said that the Minneapolis Police Department is not on
00:10:38.760 trial. This particular individual officer is on trial for allegedly murdering this particular
00:10:43.920 individual named George Floyd. Nothing more, nothing less. It's the media that takes this
00:10:48.900 and acts as if it's some sort of referendum on America in general and on the police in particular
00:10:53.820 when it is nothing of the sort. These things should be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.
00:10:58.420 I gave a speech once before a bunch of football students at Ohio State University. I was invited
00:11:02.300 by the then coach. And he had a Black Lives Matter proponent in the month before that stirred
00:11:08.860 them all up, made them all angry. And he asked me if I would come in and give my point of view.
00:11:13.180 And I did. And there must have been about 100 football players. And I said, you can probably
00:11:18.620 name the blacks who have been killed by the police. And I rattled off some of the names.
00:11:22.160 and I said are you aware there are more unarmed whites every year killed by the police than
00:11:26.180 unarmed blacks and I said name one and I dropped my mic and I crossed my hands like this and the 0.87
00:11:32.760 room was silent for 20 seconds because nobody could think of anybody I can think of several
00:11:36.600 unarmed whites who've been killed over the years because this is what I do but they didn't know a
00:11:40.340 single one of them I got a phone call the other day from a woman named Gloria from Dallas Texas 0.96
00:11:45.020 Larry she's angry at me you're always talking about uh how the police kill unarmed whites
00:11:52.000 I can't think of a time when the police stood on an unarmed white person and put them in the street like that and treated them the way they did George Floyd.
00:11:58.720 And I said, Gloria, Gloria, you're in Dallas.
00:12:01.700 2016, Google a man named Tony Tempa, T-I-M like Mary, P like Paul A.
00:12:07.260 He was a schizophrenic man.
00:12:09.380 911 was called.
00:12:10.720 He was put on the ground, held on the ground.
00:12:14.520 The officers put their feet on his shoulder.
00:12:16.680 He was held longer than was George Floyd.
00:12:20.020 It was horrific.
00:12:21.300 The man happened to be white. 0.76
00:12:23.100 The officers were mostly white.
00:12:25.180 They were investigated, but nothing happened.
00:12:27.580 My point is, this was in her own city, and she was unaware of it because the national
00:12:31.760 media did not make a big deal out of it.
00:12:34.660 A few years ago, there was a man named Kelly Thomas, T-H-O-M-S-A-S.
00:12:38.560 His father was even a cop for crying out loud. 1.00
00:12:40.920 White guy, also mentally ill. 1.00
00:12:43.020 Not only did the police beat him up, one officer put gloves on and said, I'm going to F you 1.00
00:12:47.720 up.
00:12:47.960 There was a big investigation.
00:12:49.580 the officers were not charged and the whole thing went away again the national media not interested
00:12:55.440 kelly thomas was white not long ago in california i think it was in december there was a navy vet
00:13:02.980 for crying out loud named quinto q-u-i-n-t-o according to his family their video and sound
00:13:09.100 video the police antioch antioch police department held his neck for for uh five minutes and the man
00:13:18.040 ultimately died after taken to the hospital. Again, a big deal locally, but not a big deal
00:13:22.520 nationally. And the man happened to be a Filipino American, not black. Ergo, the national media did
00:13:28.560 not give a damn. Also a few months ago, police pursuing somebody on foot. The suspect runs into
00:13:34.320 a backyard. Police sees a man who matches the suspect, shoots and kills the suspect. Turns out
00:13:40.300 it wasn't the suspect. He was the resident of the house who heard a commotion, came outside to find
00:13:45.840 out what was going on and the police shot and killed him. Now, the man who was shot and killed
00:13:50.620 was white. The cop was white. The suspect who was pursued, ultimately captured, was white. 0.52
00:13:55.080 Ergo, national media did not give a damn. Had that homeowner been a black man, I'm sure we 0.97
00:14:00.180 know his name. LeBron James would have tweeted about it. This is my point. The police are
00:14:05.100 killing more whites every year than blacks, more unarmed whites every year than blacks, 0.99
00:14:09.140 but it does not fit the narrative. It is true that the rate at which the police kill blacks 0.99
00:14:13.780 is two and a half times higher than the rate at which they kill whites. 0.97
00:14:16.920 And that's what people often refer to. 0.96
00:14:18.780 But as I said earlier, a young black man is eight to ten times 1.00
00:14:21.940 more likely to be a victim of a homicide than a young white man.
00:14:25.160 So if anything, the two and a half time rate is lower than one would have predicted
00:14:28.740 based upon the number of crimes that are being committed.
00:14:31.420 So if anything, the police are showing a great deal of hesitance
00:14:34.320 and reluctance in pulling the trigger against a black suspect than a white suspect.
00:14:38.380 Larry, what about nonfatal incidents?
00:14:40.440 Because we had Coleman Hughes on the show, who I'm sure you know,
00:14:43.420 a very interesting young guy.
00:14:46.120 And he was talking about the evidence
00:14:47.780 that there is some evidence to suggest
00:14:49.800 that police are more likely to rough up
00:14:51.600 a black suspect versus a white suspect.
00:14:54.020 Isn't that an area of concern?
00:14:56.120 No, not an area of concern.
00:14:58.840 The Harvard, a black Harvard professor
00:15:02.080 named Roland Fryer, F-R-Y-E-R,
00:15:05.480 had never done any work on police shootings of blacks.
00:15:09.480 But because of the high profile stuff,
00:15:11.460 He just knew that the police were using disproportionate deadly force against black people and thought he would do a survey to prove this.
00:15:20.580 And he said the results were the most surprising of his professional career. 0.54
00:15:24.480 Again, not only were the police not killing blacks because they were black, the police were more hesitant, more reluctant to pull the trigger on a black suspect than a white suspect.
00:15:31.880 He did find, however, that the police were 18 to 20 times more likely to use non-deadly force on a black suspect than a white suspect. 0.55
00:15:41.460 I have two reactions to that. The first is 18% is not a whole lot more. But more importantly, isn't that because they don't want to get to the point where they're using deadly force? So therefore, they're using non-deadly force more frequently on a black suspect not to get to the point where they're at DEFCON 1. That's probably what's going on. When you talk to cops, that's what they tell you. We do not want to use deadly force on a black person. That's the last thing we want to do. As a result, very likely they're using non-deadly force probably more urgently on a black suspect than on a white suspect. 0.64
00:16:10.540 If that's what's going on, I don't find that a bad thing.
00:16:15.020 And if that is the case, then why is it that we get the President of the United States
00:16:20.840 talk about systemic racism, you get Kamala Harris talking about systemic racism, 0.55
00:16:26.380 the police are institutionally racist, why is this happening then?
00:16:30.940 It's a con for votes.
00:16:34.000 Regarding Mr. Biden, Mr. Biden has been lying about his civil rights record
00:16:38.860 for over 30 years. For 30 years, he has said, when I was a young teenager in Wilmington,
00:16:44.720 Delaware, I would go to black churches and I would strategize on how we were going to
00:16:48.580 desegregate lunch counters and movie theaters in Wilmington, Delaware. No evidence he ever did
00:16:54.800 any of it. And when the New York Times a few years ago investigated and said just what I said,
00:16:59.840 the New York Times said Biden's aides, quote, gently reminded him, close quote,
00:17:04.800 that what he said is not true, and Biden kept saying it anyway, said the New York Times.
00:17:11.200 Biden has lied and said that every time he's ever run a race, the NAACP has endorsed him.
00:17:16.380 The NAACP is the most prestigious civil rights group in America. The NAACP is a non-profit.
00:17:21.800 They cannot endorse anybody. They have never endorsed him. He lied. He lied and said that
00:17:27.040 when he was in South Africa during apartheid, he was arrested trying to visit Nelson Mandela
00:17:31.700 in jail. No evidence he ever
00:17:33.800 did any of it. This is a man who
00:17:35.700 once told a black radio host
00:17:37.780 if you don't want to vote 0.83
00:17:39.820 for me, if you don't know
00:17:41.700 whether you want to vote for me or vote for Trump by now 0.94
00:17:43.860 you ain't really black. 0.68
00:17:45.860 This is a man, Joe Biden, who once told 0.96
00:17:47.640 a predominantly black audience
00:17:49.520 that his opponent who did not want
00:17:51.600 to push for further regulations
00:17:53.880 on Wall Street wanted to
00:17:55.440 unchain Wall Street, want to unchain
00:17:57.920 Wall Street, want to put y'all
00:17:59.820 back in chains.
00:18:01.700 This guy has played the race card his entire career.
00:18:04.820 It is insulting. 0.99
00:18:06.160 He treats Blacks like children to whom the truth cannot be told. 0.99
00:18:09.400 And I find it vulgar. 0.99
00:18:11.740 Regarding Kamala Harris, exactly the same thing.
00:18:15.480 Pick up the race card, play it, stir up 13% of the population, get them voting 95% for
00:18:21.060 us, and it will keep us in power. 0.98
00:18:22.760 Never mind the damage these lies do to Black people. 0.54
00:18:27.120 The number one problem facing Black America is not systemic racism. 0.87
00:18:30.620 It's not inequality. It's the fact that 70 percent, 70 percent of black kids are raised or brought into this world without a father in the home.
00:18:41.080 And Barack Obama once said a kid without a father is five times more likely to be poor and commit crimes, nine times more likely to drop out of school, 20 times more likely to end up in jail.
00:18:52.180 Now, the question is, why has America gone from having 25 percent of young black boys brought into the world without a father, 25 percent in 1965 to 70 percent right now?
00:19:03.280 And I argue, gentlemen, it is the welfare state.
00:19:06.140 The welfare state has incentivized women to marry the government and has allowed men to abandon their financial and moral responsibility. 0.71
00:19:14.120 It is particularly hit hard in the black community, but not just the black community.
00:19:18.500 50 percent of Hispanic kids were raised without fathers.
00:19:20.720 And I mentioned in 1965, 25% of black kids were.
00:19:25.480 Now 25% of white kids are.
00:19:27.900 Altogether, 40% of American kids are brought into the world without a father married to the mother.
00:19:33.120 It is far and away the biggest problem facing this country.
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00:20:40.840 it larry you you bring up uh that issue which i know is a big uh it's thing you care a lot about
00:20:49.700 and it kind of ties into your personal story which i wanted to touch on uh your your brilliant movie
00:20:55.360 uncle tom uh which i really enjoyed and it's just so beautifully made touches on that your many
00:21:01.020 books you've talked about this as well tell everybody sort of an abridged version of your
00:21:06.360 story your father your family because a lot of people watching this or you know in the UK what
00:21:12.440 you're saying will be just they've never heard it before you're like a unicorn a black man talking 0.98
00:21:17.260 like you are is incredible so how did you become so strange Larry how did you get to where you are
00:21:23.380 now well the reaction often is well this guy must have been born on third third base and thought he
00:21:28.280 hit a triple when in fact my father cleaned toilets when I was growing up my father had two
00:21:34.140 full-time jobs cleaning toilets. He cooked for his family on the weekend and went to night school to
00:21:38.860 get his GED because my father was kicked out of the home when he was 13 years old by his
00:21:43.740 irresponsible mother. My last name, Elder, is not the name of my father's biological father.
00:21:48.900 It's the name of a man who was in my dad's life the longest, who was an alcoholic, who was
00:21:52.800 physically abusive. My father never met his biological father. My father comes home at the
00:21:57.220 age of 13 and starts quarreling with his mom's then-boyfriend. The mother sides with the boyfriend
00:22:03.640 throws my father out of the house, never to return. You're talking about a 13-year-old black 1.00
00:22:10.180 boy in the Jim Crow South at the beginning of the Great Depression. And I defy very many people
00:22:15.680 listening to us to define somebody who had a hand dealt like that. My father just took any job he
00:22:21.280 could. Ultimately, he became a Pullman porter on the train. They were like a ballet for the trains.
00:22:26.380 And he came out to California, and it was sunny, and people seemed less racist. And my father said,
00:22:32.520 I could walk into a restaurant in the front door and get served. It blew his mind. And he decided
00:22:38.100 maybe someday he might relocate to California. Well, the war broke out. My dad joined the Marines.
00:22:43.660 He was stationed in Guam. He was a staff sergeant in charge of cooking. My father can look at a
00:22:48.820 cake and tell you what's in it. That's how good he is. After the war is over, he goes back to the
00:22:53.360 south, a place called Chattanooga, Tennessee, where he met and married my mom. And he walked
00:22:58.680 around all day to get a job as a cook. And he was told to his face, we don't hire niggers. 0.99
00:23:03.580 My dad went to an unemployment office. The lady said, you went through the wrong door. 0.98
00:23:07.440 He goes out to the hall. He sees colored only, goes through that door to the very same lady who 0.96
00:23:12.120 sent him out. He came home to my mom and said, this is BS. I'm going to California. I'm going
00:23:16.680 to get me a job as a cook. He walks around out here to LA and he's told, you don't have any
00:23:22.400 references. My father said, I need references to make ham and eggs. And so he goes to an
00:23:26.700 unemployment office, this time just one door. And as I mentioned, he takes the first job he can get
00:23:32.140 cleaning toilets for 10 years at a bread company called Nabisco. Then he got another job full time
00:23:38.040 cleaning toilets at another bread company called Barber and Bread, and then went to cook for a
00:23:43.540 family on the weekends and went to night school to get his GED. The reason my father was always
00:23:48.060 so grouchy, the reason my brothers and I disliked him so much is he was tired all the time. When I
00:23:53.260 was 25 years old, after not having spoken to my dad for 10 years, because I thought he was such a
00:23:58.180 mean person, we sat down for what I thought was going to be a five-minute conversation. It ended
00:24:02.880 up being eight hours. And during the eight-hour conversation, my father outlined his life just
00:24:08.120 as I did to you guys. And I wrote a book about this called Dear Father, Dear Son, Two Lives,
00:24:13.200 Eight Hours, about this conversation. And by the time we ended the conversation, I'm crying because
00:24:19.500 I judged my dad so harshly. And I said, Father, please forgive me. And my dad said, there's
00:24:24.480 nothing to forgive. Just follow the advice I've always given you and your brothers. Hard work
00:24:30.180 wins. You get out of life what you put into it. Larry, you cannot control the outcome, but damn
00:24:35.120 it, you are 100% in control of the effort. And before you complain about how somebody mistreated 0.94
00:24:39.640 you, go to the nearest mirror, look at it and say, how could I have changed the outcome? And
00:24:45.040 finally he said no matter how hard you work how good you are sooner or later bad things will happen
00:24:50.120 how you address those bad things will tell me and your mother if we raised a man if anybody had a
00:24:56.440 right to believe america was bedeviled by systemic racism it is my father my father was the most
00:25:01.860 hopeful optimistic person you ever saw in your life and he was a lifelong republican even though
00:25:06.540 my mom was a lifelong democrat my father used to always say democrats want to give you something
00:25:10.640 for nothing and when you try and get something for nothing you almost always end up getting
00:25:14.300 nothing for something. That was his philosophy and that is my philosophy. Right and it's a very
00:25:19.600 very powerful philosophy Larry and why is it do you think that so many particularly young people
00:25:27.360 have fallen for this narrative of BLM and what the Democrats are saying if it isn't true as you say?
00:25:34.440 By the way the bow on my dad's story is my dad saved with nickels and dimes and when he was 42
00:25:39.740 years old, he started a cafe, which he ran until he was 82 years old, bought the property next
00:25:45.620 door, bought his own house, of course. My father is a success story if there ever was one. As for
00:25:51.420 your question, what's going on here? It's because it advances the agenda of a whole bunch of people.
00:25:57.380 It advances the agenda of Al Sharpton. It advances the agenda of Jesse Jackson. It advances the
00:26:02.860 agenda of the Democratic Party. It advances the agenda of the media that does it for ratings.
00:26:07.580 And I'm convinced many young reporters have been indoctrinated into this notion that black people are bedeviled by systemic racism.
00:26:14.660 You know, there's a genre of movie called the white savior movie that now all of a sudden is a negative genre.
00:26:21.880 It's movies like Michelle Pfeiffer.
00:26:23.620 She takes a job as a teacher in the inner city and turns around all these rough black guys. 1.00
00:26:28.700 It's Sean Connery in a movie called Saving Forrester, where he basically adopts a black kid and turns him around.
00:26:34.220 All of a sudden, movies like that are considered to be patronizing and demeaning and condescending.
00:26:39.100 They're called white savior movies.
00:26:41.200 But white savior politicians like Joe Biden, who lies about his civil record to get votes,
00:26:46.520 people like Beto O'Rourke, who accuses America of engaging in endemic racism, a term I had never heard before,
00:26:54.380 foundational racism, a term I had never heard before.
00:26:57.320 They're not called white savior politicians, but they're doing the very same thing,
00:27:02.280 treating you like a child to whom the truth cannot be told. The idea that the Georgia voting law
00:27:08.700 is voter oppression, you're saying Black people can't figure out how to vote? It's insulting,
00:27:14.720 but they do it for votes. And unfortunately, because of the failure of a lot of Blacks to 0.98
00:27:19.540 have appropriate guidance in the home to teach them appropriate values, they're falling for this. 0.96
00:27:24.340 They're angry. And the Democrats are tapping into this anger and not saying, the way to deal with
00:27:30.220 this anger is pick up your cards the way Larry Elder's dad did and and deal them and play them
00:27:35.440 to the best of your ability if Larry Elder's father can become a success decades ago how in
00:27:41.440 the world can you complain right now in 2021 where all you have to do is work hard stay focused and
00:27:46.920 avoid avoid bad moral mistakes and you'll be just fine in America do you really believe that Larry
00:27:52.840 or isn't that isn't there some parts of America that are so riven with poverty that it's almost
00:27:57.780 impossible to get out of you know the fact that the rich and the gap between rich and poor is
00:28:02.760 increasing all the time 1997 CNN and Time magazine teamed up to do this massive survey of black
00:28:12.600 teens and white teens in America and both were asked do you believe that racism remains a major
00:28:18.320 problem in America and not too surprisingly the majority of both said yes within time and CNN
00:28:23.960 ask the following question. Again, this is 1997. We're talking about 24 years ago.
00:28:31.360 Is racism to the Blacks a major problem, a small problem, or no problem in your own daily life?
00:28:39.320 89% of Black teens said racism was either a small problem or no problem in my own daily life. In fact,
00:28:46.800 more Black teens than white teens said, and I'm quoting, failure to take advantage of available 0.94
00:28:53.700 opportunities is a bigger problem than racism. More black teens said yes to that proposition 1.00
00:28:59.960 than did white teens. All you have to do is stay focused. But as long as every night a black child 1.00
00:29:07.580 does less homework than a white child and substantially less homework than an Asian 1.00
00:29:12.700 American child, we're always going to have this problem, which means it comes back to the home.
00:29:17.780 Barbara Bush, the wife of the former president, George Herbert Walker Bush, said,
00:29:22.860 what happens in your house is far more important than what happens in the White House.
00:29:27.680 And that was true then. It is true now.
00:29:30.800 Larry, I guess what Francis is getting at, and maybe picking up on both your points,
00:29:35.560 you make the case, obviously, the breakdown of the family.
00:29:38.300 You put that together with growing up in a neighborhood that's full of crime,
00:29:42.600 not many jobs, not many good examples, not many good role models.
00:29:46.840 And it does become, in that situation, a lot harder to dig yourself out of that situation
00:29:52.360 than it would be for someone else.
00:29:54.260 So is it all just about hard work
00:29:57.340 or do you not think there is an element
00:29:58.880 where government can intervene
00:30:00.680 or private enterprises can intervene
00:30:02.600 to make life easier for people
00:30:04.700 who do have a harder time?
00:30:06.860 Like you say,
00:30:08.120 who've been dealt some really bad cards in life.
00:30:11.120 Well, put it like this.
00:30:12.520 If there's nobody in your home
00:30:13.880 to make sure that you have gone to bed on time,
00:30:17.080 there's nobody in your home
00:30:18.040 to make sure you've done your homework.
00:30:19.720 If there's nobody in your home
00:30:20.660 to make sure you're getting three squares a day
00:30:22.420 and that you've been sufficiently educated
00:30:25.100 to appreciate education
00:30:27.040 so that you go to school willing to learn.
00:30:29.640 There's nothing anybody can do.
00:30:31.820 And if Barack Obama,
00:30:33.400 the most respected man in America,
00:30:35.160 said the kinds of things I said
00:30:36.680 and talked about the lie of police systemic racism
00:30:39.380 and talked about the importance of hard work,
00:30:41.460 I don't think we're having this conversation.
00:30:44.400 And that being the case, Larry,
00:30:47.300 we are where we are.
00:30:48.700 How do we solve these problems?
00:30:50.660 How do we improve society?
00:30:52.340 Because it's all very well to identify a problem, but we need solutions, don't we?
00:30:56.920 The solution begins with changing your perspective.
00:30:59.660 There are 7 billion people in the world.
00:31:01.560 I'm arrogant enough to believe that the majority of them would come to America if they could. 1.00
00:31:05.300 Right now, there are some Cubans facing shark-infested waters trying to get here to America.
00:31:11.680 All you have to do is appreciate education.
00:31:14.860 You get a free education K-12.
00:31:17.000 America spends more money, K-12, than any other country in the world other than Luxembourg and Switzerland, where we're getting lousy results.
00:31:25.720 You have to do your homework.
00:31:28.080 There are think tanks on the left called the Brookings Institution, arguably the most prestigious think tank in America on the left.
00:31:34.040 And there are think tanks on the right, one of which is the American Enterprise Institute.
00:31:37.600 And they both pretty much said the same thing about how to escape poverty.
00:31:40.880 It's called the millennial success sequence.
00:31:43.300 Finish high school.
00:31:44.860 Don't have a kid until you get married.
00:31:46.520 get a job, keep a job, don't quit that job until you get another one, and avoid the criminal
00:31:51.460 justice system. You do that, the percentage of people who are in poverty is single digits.
00:31:56.600 You don't do that, the percentage of people who are in poverty is in double digits, close to 50%.
00:32:00.820 That's the formula for success. You don't follow that, I don't know what to tell you.
00:32:05.700 But if somebody doesn't have somebody at home in order to keep them on the straight to narrow,
00:32:11.720 You know, I'm a former teacher. I've seen it myself time and time again.
00:32:15.560 It comes a point, especially in a boy's life, where mom can't control him anymore.
00:32:20.780 We're 13, 14 years old. He gets physically bigger than mom.
00:32:24.800 He says, you know what? I'm going to go out. There's nothing that you can do to stop me.
00:32:28.280 Right. And that's where mentors come in. And that's where programs come in.
00:32:32.500 And there are lots of programs, big boys, big brothers, big sisters.
00:32:35.780 Get involved. There are lots of people right now who are retired.
00:32:38.460 People are retiring earlier, and they're healthier and more vigorous. I urge all these people to get involved. I've been doing radio for about 30 years, guys, and I've tried to get Jesse Jackson on my program. He won't come on. Maxine Waters won't come on. Minister Farrakhan won't come on. Al Sharpton won't come on. But one of these so-called Black leaders did come on. His name is Kawase Mfume. At the time, he was president of the NAACP. Before that, he was a member of the House from Baltimore, and now he's back in the House from Baltimore.
00:33:06.040 And I said, Mr. Infume, as between the presence of white racism or the absence of black fathers, which poses a bigger problem in the black community, to his credit, without missing a beat, he said the absence of black fathers.
00:33:18.380 We need to shower the community with role models, with leaders, with men who've raised their families who are now retired and can use their knowledge and advice and wisdom to help other people.
00:33:30.780 Get involved.
00:33:31.900 Mentor people.
00:33:32.680 Again, if there's nobody in your house to tell you to go to bed on time and to make sure you've done your homework, I have no other answers for you other than you've got to do that.
00:33:43.380 You have to pick up your cards and play them to the best of your ability.
00:33:46.340 That is your moral duty.
00:33:48.240 And anybody that tells you other than to do that is engaging, in my opinion, in a horrific disservice to these young Black people who need to hear a positive voice and to see a positive vision.
00:34:03.360 Hey, KK, are you a fan of cultural appropriation?
00:34:06.920 Of course. I can't go down to the local supermarket unless I'm dressed like a Mexican bandit, 1.00
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00:35:06.640 Larry, you talk about doing a disservice.
00:35:09.040 One of the things that I find really troubling about the times we're in and the way that these conversations are being had is everything has now become about race.
00:35:17.320 And, you know, growing up, I was a huge Michael Jordan fan.
00:35:20.360 I was born in Russia from a sort of Russian Jewish background.
00:35:24.400 not black, clearly, right? And it never occurred to me that Michael Jordan was black because he
00:35:30.200 was just a great man who I found inspirational. And I just wonder if I have a son now who's 12,
00:35:36.480 13, playing basketball as I did as a kid, I don't think there's any possibility for him to have that
00:35:41.120 pure, unadulterated experience. Does it concern you that we're so obsessed with this issue now?
00:35:47.140 Absolutely. I've said race has never been less significant a factor in American success
00:35:54.080 But it's never been a more significant factor for the Democratic Party success. And that's what's going on. You mentioned Michael Jordan. Remember the dream team in the 90s? They went around, they clobbered the whole world. They won games by 50, 60, 70 points.
00:36:08.100 They're not winning those games like that by that margin anymore because the rest of the world raised their game.
00:36:15.160 We didn't lower the hoop. They raised their game. Black Americans need to raise their game. 0.99
00:36:21.400 Again, as long as we're spending way less time doing homework every night than white kids and way less time every every night doing homework than Asian American kids, 0.60
00:36:31.160 while being perfectly willing to go to the gym and practice the jump throw 500 times a night, we're in trouble.
00:36:37.100 most kids are not going to become basketball players you're going to do it the way i did
00:36:41.340 getting an education go to college get a job and work your way up in your career
00:36:45.380 that's what we ought to be telling people but we're not and how's that how's that message
00:36:49.900 getting through larry well it's not getting through when you have a shooting like this
00:36:54.540 and you have somebody like lebron james who lives in the gated community saying quote black people
00:36:58.980 are afraid to leave their homes close book you're not helping anything uh when i just now got off
00:37:03.880 from watching CNN, and they had an educator on who talked about the importance of putting time
00:37:11.080 into educating. And he's got a nonprofit that's only done by donations that graduate 100% of kids
00:37:18.760 on to colleges. And he talks about how hard this is and why this is important. And the two CNN
00:37:24.740 hosts said, yes, it's very good not to hear a bunch of negative stuff. Well, you're the one
00:37:29.000 putting out the negative stuff. When George Floyd got killed, that was 24-7. Meanwhile, a few days
00:37:35.600 ago, a two-year-old toddler shot in the head, black toddler, by another black person, and Kamala
00:37:41.660 Harris was in Chicago the following day on some sort of Joe Biden infrastructure initiative. She
00:37:46.720 didn't mention it, nor would she even ask about it. In Chicago, which is a third black, a third 1.00
00:37:51.400 white, and a third Hispanic, 80% of the homicides black on black. Kamala Harris did not say one 0.69
00:37:57.160 worried about that. Baltimore has a murder rate three times higher than the murder rate in Chicago,
00:38:02.500 even though Chicago has the greatest absolute numbers of homicides every year. But Chicago,
00:38:07.540 last year there were 400 homicides, 90% of them black on black in a city of roughly 65% black 0.92
00:38:13.180 people. St. Louis, 45% black people, 300 homicides last year, 90% black on black. Where's Kamala 0.94
00:38:20.080 Harris? Where's Joe Biden on that? Not a damn thing, but you let a white cop shoot a black
00:38:24.300 person, and they're ready to march on Washington. It's misdirection. It's causing energy and 1.00
00:38:29.120 attention to be diverted away from K-12 schools. There are 13 public high schools in Baltimore
00:38:35.420 where 0% of kids can do math at grade level, and another half a dozen where only 1% can.
00:38:42.520 Yet the Democratic Party is opposed to vouchers so that the money can follow the child rather than
00:38:47.540 the other way around. So maybe a parent living next door to a school where only 13% of the kids
00:38:52.140 can do math at grade level can put that kid into a better school so that kid can have a better
00:38:56.000 possibility. The Democrats are on the wrong side of that issue. And for some reason, black people 1.00
00:39:01.000 still pull that lever 95% for them, even though the number one route to escaping poverty is a
00:39:06.700 quality education. And Larry, I agree with you on the issue when it comes to education. It is a
00:39:13.560 number one. It's the only way for the vast majority of kids who come from a deprived background to
00:39:19.320 get out of that situation but why is it that we can't have sensible discussions about this topic
00:39:25.580 we have the same problem in the UK we recently had a race report commissioned by a conservative
00:39:31.040 government yeah and all of a sudden it just descended into name calling you know all these
00:39:37.760 people who were who were on the commission very very notable people very well respected people
00:39:44.740 a lot of whom were black conservatives, had horrible epithets hurled at them.
00:39:49.000 Why can we not have a simple, honest and rational discussion about a topic?
00:39:55.460 Let's be fair, it doesn't just affect black people, it affects everyone.
00:40:00.040 Well, the reason the left does not want to hear this is because if what I'm saying is true,
00:40:05.640 that means the policies that the left has been pushing for the last 50 years,
00:40:09.660 giving people more and more stuff to encourage them to marry the government, as I put it.
00:40:15.600 They have to rethink that. That requires them to rethink everything they believe from A to Z,
00:40:21.060 and that is a discussion they don't want to have. Talk about cognitive dissonance. And so therefore,
00:40:26.500 if you have that philosophy and anybody who disagrees with you is not only wrong,
00:40:31.680 they become part of the problem. They become part of the enemy. That's why you can't have
00:40:36.160 a rational discussion. I believe that the other side is wrong. The other side believes I'm not
00:40:40.980 just wrong, but I am a bad human being. I'm a fundamentally bad person. When you have that
00:40:45.380 kind of attitude, how in the world are you going to have a discussion? Let me just give you another
00:40:48.940 example of the intolerance of the left. There is a black editor of the New York Times, 0.60
00:40:55.400 arguably the most important newspaper in the world. His name is Dean Bucket, first black
00:41:00.760 editor, and he's still there. One of his decisions was to hire a new columnist named
00:41:06.600 Brett Stevens. He's a Republican, a Trump basher, white, the kind of Republican that New York Times
00:41:13.180 often hires, the ones that will take swipes at the Republican Party. I'm not a fan of Brett
00:41:17.540 Stevens, but he hired him. And Brett Stevens' first column was about his skepticism about
00:41:23.700 climate change alarmism. He wasn't skeptical about climate change. The climate is always
00:41:29.140 changing. He was skeptical about the extent to which it's going to have all the horrific
00:41:33.400 consequences that some people claim. That was his first call. Dean McKay said people contacted the
00:41:39.480 New York Times, complained, canceled their subscriptions, and he later on publicly said,
00:41:44.700 I found out, quote, that the left as a general rule does not want to hear thoughtful disagreement,
00:41:53.120 end quote this is the executive editor of the new york times saying the left as a general rule
00:42:00.320 does not want to hear thoughtful disagreement close quote so i argue the left is the problem
00:42:06.420 they don't want to hear thoughtful disagreement whether it's about climate change whether it's
00:42:11.120 about uh racism whether it's about what the welfare state has done to the family they don't
00:42:16.160 want to hear thoughtful disagreement so i urge my friends on the left to look into the mirror and
00:42:21.040 ask yourself, do you really want to have a conversation or do you really want to just
00:42:24.500 denounce the other side? And you say denounce the other side. Why is it so taboo for a black person
00:42:30.720 to come out as a conservative? When you bear in mind, so when I was working, I used to,
00:42:36.260 I spent a lot of my career working in South and East London with a lot of first generation
00:42:41.580 African immigrants, second or third generation Caribbean. Most of the people that I encountered
00:42:47.280 in those schools were socially conservative and conservative in their values as well.
00:42:53.680 So why is it that it's taboo for a black person to be conservative?
00:42:58.320 Again, I represent the worst nightmare for somebody on the left, somebody who believes
00:43:04.560 in hard work, somebody who believes in merit, somebody who does not believe in lowering
00:43:08.620 standards, somebody who's not blaming white people, somebody who recognizes that the most
00:43:12.740 important thing is the family.
00:43:13.960 that shoots down a whole bunch of sacred cows on the left so i become a villain i understand that
00:43:19.720 somebody once asked thomas soul why it is you don't spend your time trying to convince some
00:43:25.040 of these so-called black leaders of the wrongfulness of their point of view he said i
00:43:29.640 would never i would not waste my time uh trying to convince people to drop using victimhood uh to
00:43:36.560 make a living as i would to try to convince the mafia to stop engaging in crime and do you think
00:43:42.100 this is really part of it and it happens on the right as well but particularly on the left it
00:43:46.640 seems to me that the politicians like the joe biden's and the kamala harris's and others
00:43:51.600 they're sort of held hostage by the extremists in their base they're a small fringe but they're very
00:43:58.000 their voices are powerful and the moment anyone steps out of line they will come down on you like
00:44:02.840 a ton of bricks and then they will ruin your your reputation in the democratic party and you'll never
00:44:07.720 get elected unless you bend the knee to this ideology. I think you're right. I think the real
00:44:13.240 power in the Democratic Party is the so-called squad, people like AOC, and they are putting a
00:44:19.640 lot of pressure on people like Joe Biden, who for the most part ran as a moderate. He would even
00:44:25.820 point blank was asked about the $15 minimum wage, asked about reparations, asked about tuition for
00:44:31.060 debt forgiveness, asked about whether he wants Washington, D.C. to be a state, asked about
00:44:35.420 getting rid of the filibuster. He was asked specifically about all those things at some
00:44:39.140 point during the campaign, and he said he was not in favor of them. Now he's probably in favor of
00:44:43.340 all of them. I think he's yielded to the power of that part of the squad. That's where the base is.
00:44:49.220 That's where the money is. AOC, even though she's barely been in Congress for, what, two or three 1.00
00:44:55.080 years, arguably has more power than almost anybody in the House because of her social media following. 1.00
00:44:59.980 So I believe that the Democratic Party is increasingly becoming beholden to the far, far left, and ultimately that's going to be their undoing in the midterm elections because I believe there's a good chance that the House will be returned to Republicans and eventually the Senate will too, which will basically stall Joe Biden's agenda, which is why I believe they're trying to do as much as they can in the first two years of Biden's administration because of the chance, the real strong chance they may lose the House come 2022.
00:45:28.560 too. And do you not think as well, Larry, that part of the problem with the American system
00:45:33.240 is if you're in the middle, you had Trump on one side who deeply divisive for a lot of people,
00:45:40.980 you know, his rhetoric, his attitude was unpleasant. Then you had the people on the
00:45:46.000 left who quite frankly seem to have gone completely tonto. And if you were a rational,
00:45:51.540 sane, reasonable person, you had two dreadful options. Well, I saw it a lot differently,
00:45:56.820 obviously. You know, I don't disagree with you about Trump's personality, his temperament. He's
00:46:01.680 an easy person to dislike. But if you look at his policies, lower corporate taxes, lower individual
00:46:07.280 taxes, same policy George W. Bush had. He was strong in national defense, same as George W. Bush.
00:46:13.640 Basically, his policies were pretty standard Republican stuff, although he was far more
00:46:18.860 protectionist than I think most Republicans are. And he was tougher on China than I think most
00:46:24.320 Republicans expected. But basically, his point of view was a standard Republican point of view.
00:46:30.460 I urge all my friends about Donald Trump to follow the example I saw once when I was watching
00:46:35.840 the Golf Channel. There were these two professional golfers, guys, and they were both asked by the
00:46:41.580 host, how can you tell if a golfer is a good golfer? And one golfer went through this elaborate,
00:46:46.240 beautiful, detailed description of what makes a good golfer. The placement of his arms, how he
00:46:51.740 locks his arm, how he swivels his hips, how he looks at the ball and all of this stuff. It was
00:46:56.280 beautiful. And the other golfer had his arms folded, kind of was rolling his eyes as the
00:47:00.920 other one was speaking. And the host said, well, what about you? He said, I look to see where the
00:47:06.840 ball lands. I liked where the ball was landing under Donald Trump. Don't look at his swing.
00:47:13.740 I didn't follow him on Twitter. He didn't follow me on Twitter because I thought he tweeted too
00:47:17.700 much about stuff I didn't care about, but I cared about where the ball landed on immigration. I
00:47:22.540 cared about where the ball landed on the economy, on regulations, on putting some conservatives on
00:47:27.740 the courts. I cared about all of that stuff. And for my money, he deserves an A plus. In the rate,
00:47:33.420 in the face of relentless hostility, 91% of the media, negative news, much of his own party
00:47:39.800 negative, and still this guy persevered and barely lost the election. I remember the Americans
00:47:47.400 didn't repudiate Trump's policies, they repudiated Trump's personality. The Republicans gained seats
00:47:53.920 in the House when the predictions were they were going to lose it. They're supposed to get waxed
00:47:57.840 in the Senate, and it held it 50-50. You look at 43,000 votes in three states, and Donald Trump
00:48:04.340 remains there for another four years. It was a very close loss, and in my opinion, a few things
00:48:10.520 here and there, including the failure to, the way Twitter suppressed that New York Post
00:48:18.020 Hunter Biden story, around 80% of Joe Biden's voters did not, said had they known about the
00:48:24.060 story, they would not have voted for Joe Biden. That would have been enough for Donald Trump to
00:48:28.620 have won. So just a few little things here and there, and Donald Trump's back for four more
00:48:33.280 years. So don't assume Donald Trump's defeat was a defeat of republicanism, because more
00:48:38.700 Republicans control governorships than Democrats. They control more statehouse than Democrats.
00:48:44.220 So the Republican Party is alive and well in America. It was Donald Trump who lost, not
00:48:48.920 Republicans. And you being a black Republican, how do you explain the fact that Donald Trump,
00:48:55.480 you know, for four years, we heard about how evil, racist, bigoted, xenophobic he is. And yet his 0.99
00:49:01.100 share of the vote of the minority population, blacks, Latinos, et cetera, went up. How did that
00:49:07.100 happen? It's called the economy. Under Donald Trump, black unemployment reached its lowest
00:49:11.940 ever. Under Donald Trump, he pardoned the first black heavyweight champion of America. His name
00:49:17.040 was Jack Johnson, who was tried for violating what's called the Man Act, i.e. he transported
00:49:23.440 a white woman across state lines and he was persecuted. And for 15 years, people like the
00:49:28.720 actor Sly Stone and Ken Burns, a documentarian, have gone to presidents, George W. Bush, Barack
00:49:36.400 Obama and Donald Trump, asking all of them to pardon Jack Johnson. The only one who did it
00:49:41.160 was Donald Trump. Donald Trump also signed what was called the First Step Act that allowed prisoners
00:49:47.560 to have their lengthy sentences reconsidered. Some years ago, we put very long sentences for
00:49:52.800 drug offenses. And under the First Step Act, again, signed by Donald Trump, some 6,000 mostly
00:49:58.000 black men have had their sentences reconsidered and reduced an average of around 70 months.
00:50:03.800 Donald Trump also put funding for black colleges on a permanent basis for the next 10 years.
00:50:08.200 First time that's ever been done. He also expanded what are called opportunity zones.
00:50:12.020 So you get tax breaks if you go into real estate in the inner city and at least one NFL player is getting rich using the very same opportunity zones that Donald Trump has put into place.
00:50:22.940 So for all those reasons, his percentage of the black folk went up.
00:50:26.520 The only area, major demo, black men, black women, Asian men, Asian women, Hispanic men, Hispanic women, white women, every major demo he went up in 2020 except white men.
00:50:40.920 But I thought he was sending a dog whistle to race his white men.
00:50:44.440 So it's bizarre.
00:50:45.260 And by the way, in 2016, when he won, a prominent black pundit on CNN named Ben Jones called it white lads, that the growing number of whites in America were angry that there was a black president and they were firing back.
00:51:01.080 To give you an idea of how cockeyed that analysis is, the city of over 100,000 that voted most for Donald Trump in 2016, Abilene, Texas. 80% of those in Abilene, Texas voted for Donald Trump.
00:51:16.500 Guess which city shortly after Donald Trump got elected voted for its first black mayor in 138 years?
00:51:22.740 Abilene, Texas.
00:51:23.940 So how is it that racist white people voted for Donald Trump and then the same racist white people voted for somebody who would be a mayor of their city in almost the same percentages? 0.97
00:51:32.620 It's a lie. 0.97
00:51:34.940 And Larry, America is where it is.
00:51:38.760 Are you hopeful?
00:51:40.440 Because to me it seems, and look, I'm only going by what I read in the media.
00:51:44.340 I only go by what I see on Twitter.
00:51:46.700 You know, Twitter is not real life, et cetera, et cetera.
00:51:49.580 But from looking at it from the UK, it seems more divided than it ever has.
00:51:53.820 It seems more angry than it ever has.
00:51:55.240 Probably the exception of the Civil War, man.
00:51:57.500 Yeah, yeah.
00:51:58.540 But it does feel that way.
00:52:02.260 Is that what it's like on the ground in America?
00:52:05.460 And if so, are you hopeful?
00:52:09.080 Yeah, I believe that the captain of the Titanic,
00:52:12.440 had he known the iceberg was there, would have taken evasive action. Look, all we have to do is
00:52:18.660 remind people in America of what made America great. And I think we're getting away from that.
00:52:23.660 I call it the axis of indoctrination. Hollywood, media, and academia are all indoctrinating young
00:52:29.460 people into believing that America is a racist hellhole, it's sexist, it's this, it's that. 0.97
00:52:34.640 61% of Democrats believe all Republicans are racist slash sexist slash bigoted according to 0.97
00:52:41.860 a major, major poll that I saw. And as long as half the country believes that way about the
00:52:47.260 other half, we're going to be having difficulty. But when you look at what's really going on in
00:52:51.160 the ground, that somebody from, somebody from poverty can make it and become very wealthy
00:52:58.180 in America, in one generation, faster and easier than anywhere else in all of human history,
00:53:04.000 that's really what's going on on the ground. Barack Obama, despite all of the crap he says, 0.98
00:53:08.280 Things like racism is in America's DNA. If I had a son, he looked like Trayvon and all the nonsense, he said. 0.99
00:53:15.220 In his final year, he gave a speech, commencement speech at a black college.
00:53:20.420 And he said to these young, optimistic, eager eyed students, if you could be born anywhere at any time in history, where would it be and when would it be?
00:53:31.380 And he said it would be here and now. And that is the truth.
00:53:34.640 The truth is things have never been easier for somebody to become successful in America than right now, but it's never been more important for the Democrats to convince you otherwise than right now for their own power.
00:53:46.320 So think for yourself. Work hard. Pick up the cards. Play them to the best of your ability and follow that millennia success sequence.
00:53:53.940 Finish high school. Don't have a kid until you get married. Get a job. Avoid the criminal justice system and you will be just fine in America.
00:54:01.040 Larry, I know you're all into personal responsibility, but a personal curiosity of mine is, do you think we've talked about crime in the black community, all of that sort of stuff, fatherlessness, etc.
00:54:11.180 Do you think if there's if there's one thing the government can and should do is to end the war on drugs?
00:54:18.420 I've never been a fan of the war on drugs.
00:54:20.820 I've always felt that the that the drugs should be should be dealt with as a health problem and not a criminal justice problem.
00:54:26.540 That said, don't be misled into believing that it is because of the war on drugs that so many Black people are behind bars.
00:54:33.640 Maybe 15 percent or so of those behind bars, federal and state, are there for drug-related offenses.
00:54:38.800 And most of those are often pled down from a more violent offense.
00:54:42.500 So most people are in prison because they've hurt other people.
00:54:45.100 But I agree with you. I've never believed in the war on drugs.
00:54:48.600 And the war on drugs was begun as a way to get at Black people. 0.98
00:54:52.780 It was perceived that a lot of young jazz musicians were smoking marijuana and were enticing white women into having sex with them. 0.99
00:55:01.360 And so politicians went crazy in the 30s in these laws to get black people. 0.98
00:55:06.060 So they have a racist beginning and they're having a disproportionately racial effect on black people. 0.84
00:55:12.820 So I'm with you. I think the war on drugs should be rethought.
00:55:16.440 And I'd agree, and I'd take your point further.
00:55:18.360 You talk about most of the people are pleading down,
00:55:20.520 but the violence is still happening
00:55:21.940 because they're fighting over drugs quite often, right?
00:55:24.920 So it just seems to me like such an obvious solution.
00:55:28.600 Do you have any insight as to why that isn't something
00:55:32.640 that anyone, even as America is ahead of us
00:55:35.660 in terms of decriminalizing, say, marijuana, for example,
00:55:38.740 but there doesn't seem to be any conversation
00:55:41.120 about ending the war on drugs.
00:55:42.340 Do you have any thoughts on why that is?
00:55:43.620 I just think most Americans think that if you end the war on drugs, teenagers will start using very, very hard drugs and that the consequences of ending the war on drugs would be worse than the consequences of keeping it.
00:55:56.760 That's, I think, how most people feel. Milton Friedman, the great Nobel laureate, probably 50 years ago argued against the war on drugs and talked about the corrupting influence of our criminal justice system,
00:56:07.740 that you have to use snitches often in order to bust people, because most people involved in drugs,
00:56:13.540 both sides of the transaction are breaking the law. So you have to use snitches in order to rat
00:56:18.000 out other people, and it corrupts the entire criminal justice system. So for all those
00:56:22.180 reasons, we ought to be having this conversation. But I think it's just a bridge too far for a lot
00:56:27.620 of Americans. And do you think that's going to change, particularly during the time of COVID,
00:56:32.680 where a lot of institutions are struggling for money,
00:56:36.880 a lot of local authorities are struggling for money.
00:56:40.580 Do you think people are going to see it as a way to raise tax revenue
00:56:43.140 and they're going to get in the back door that way?
00:56:45.720 I suspect so. Same as marijuana.
00:56:47.940 That was a long, gradual process.
00:56:50.520 And as the baby boomers are getting older and older, 0.95
00:56:53.920 and I think the realization or the feeling that drugs,
00:56:57.520 the downside in prosecuting the war on drugs
00:57:01.220 is greater than the upside in keeping it the way it is.
00:57:06.360 I didn't say that right.
00:57:07.700 I think that down the road, little by little,
00:57:10.540 the war on drugs is going to be rethought.
00:57:12.880 And eventually, I think we're going to have much more sensible policies.
00:57:16.060 But it's going to take a while, same as marijuana took a while.
00:57:19.360 At first, it was medicinal marijuana.
00:57:21.280 And then it became a small use for you.
00:57:23.460 And then it became a thing where you can buy what you wanted.
00:57:26.360 And so it's going to be gradual just like that.
00:57:28.740 Yeah, I think it's such an easy fix in many ways.
00:57:32.900 And the fact that it's not being considered is, to me, mind-blowing.
00:57:36.600 But Larry, thank you so much for your time.
00:57:39.040 It's been a pleasure speaking with you and a great honour.
00:57:41.680 Let us ask you our final question, which is always the same.
00:57:45.260 What's the one thing we're not talking about, but we really should be?
00:57:51.620 We're not really talking about the attack on merit.
00:57:54.800 A lot of people are talking about the rise in hate crimes against Asian-Americans.
00:57:59.100 When you're talking about rise, last year, for example, there were 22 people that were
00:58:02.840 arrested in New York City for committing hate crimes against Asian-Americans.
00:58:06.620 Only two of them were white.
00:58:07.960 Most of them were people of color.
00:58:09.920 But there are two public high schools in America.
00:58:13.040 One is called Lowell High here in California.
00:58:15.780 It's a top-rated public high school in California.
00:58:18.940 And then there's a top-rated public high school in America called Thomas Jefferson
00:58:22.740 School of Science and Technology.
00:58:24.220 In both cases, until this year, the student bodies were 70 percent Asian-American because both of those schools required a merit-based examination.
00:58:33.620 Now they're getting rid of it because they want the student body to be more racially diverse.
00:58:38.480 This is a direct assault on merit against Asian-American kids who've been busting their butts to go to these schools. 0.86
00:58:47.620 But there are two Asian-American politicians who are senators, Macy Arono from Hawaii and Tammy Duckworth, Illinois. 0.99
00:58:53.580 Both of them are yelling and screaming about the rise in Asian crimes, hate Asian crimes, and the rise is a small number to a small number. The real assault on the Asian American community is what's going on at Lowell High and Thomas Jefferson High in Fairfax, Virginia, and neither of these senators has said word one about that.
00:59:13.720 Larry, thank you so much for coming on the show. If people want to find you online, where is the best way to do that?
00:59:18.920 Larry Elder dot com. Be sure and check out my movie, Uncle Tom, on Amazon Prime, on iTunes and on Uncle Tom dot com.
00:59:27.720 Follow me on Twitter at Larry Elder. Follow me on Instagram, Larry Elder Show.
00:59:32.460 And by the way, Uncle Tom is also available on YouTube where I watched it.
00:59:36.340 And it genuinely is a brilliant, brilliant movie.
00:59:39.100 And I actually learned a lot about the history of the Republican Party, the Democratic Party and how some of the narratives we now have about that don't actually match what happened.
00:59:48.000 so make sure you go and watch that movie
00:59:50.020 Larry it's been an absolute genuinely
00:59:52.340 pleasure and honour for us to speak with you
00:59:54.040 thank you so much
00:59:54.760 thank you very much appreciate it
00:59:56.280 and thank you everybody for watching
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