TRIGGERnometry - Leo Kearse - Right Wing Comedian

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Konstantin Kissin.

00:00:09.800 And this is the show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

00:00:14.720 Our brilliant guest today is a fantastic comedian, one of our favorites, Leo Kirst.

00:00:18.660 Welcome to Trigonometry.

00:00:19.680 Hello, Francis. Hello, Konstantin. Thanks for having me.

00:00:23.880 You said that in the voice that's so different to the way we do something.

00:00:26.380 Oh, yeah, you said that you were talking like newsreaders or something.

00:00:28.980 You never talk like that in real life.

00:00:30.420 It's like, you know, when your mum answers the phone

00:00:32.220 and she puts on that posh voice. 0.53

00:00:34.760 Hello, this is...

00:00:36.220 Is that a posh voice? Is that what you're describing?

00:00:38.680 For Francis.

00:00:39.500 Yeah, for Francis, yeah, it might be.

00:00:41.520 But you're in good spirits, man.

00:00:43.200 You've just come back from Australia 0.97

00:00:44.420 where you were stuck during the lockdown.

00:00:46.260 Yeah, I was out there for like almost six months.

00:00:48.520 So I got stuck over there because of coronavirus

00:00:50.240 and yeah, just stayed.

00:00:51.900 And I wish I'd stayed like the day after I left,

00:00:53.900 the comedy clubs opened up again.

00:00:55.220 so obviously there's social distancing

00:00:56.640 but now it's up to 300 people

00:00:57.980 allowed in venues

00:00:58.740 they don't have any coronavirus there

00:01:00.260 and I've come back to the UK

00:01:01.580 and there's no gigs

00:01:02.600 and there appears to be

00:01:04.000 some sort of race war as well

00:01:05.200 so I'm really wishing I'd stayed

00:01:08.060 it's almost like the Australians 1.00

00:01:11.020 knew you'd left mate

00:01:12.160 he'd gotten the plane

00:01:14.400 let's open up

00:01:15.420 yeah but it's

00:01:16.920 the world is going

00:01:17.980 in a very strange direction

00:01:18.960 isn't it

00:01:19.320 like what do you make of it

00:01:20.380 because you've been abroad

00:01:21.700 you really haven't been part

00:01:22.840 of the whole like

00:01:23.440 Dominic Cummings 0.98

00:01:24.320 end of the world and all that shit. 0.98

00:01:26.580 And you come back and suddenly, as you say, 0.98

00:01:28.640 it seems to be very, very serious right now, doesn't it?

00:01:30.880 Yeah, absolutely.

00:01:31.700 And I don't know if part of it's a response to coronavirus.

00:01:34.440 Everybody's been just stuck in their houses for months on end

00:01:37.620 and just festering and ready to,

00:01:40.000 it's like a pressure cooker ready to blow off.

00:01:43.680 I mean, I bet half of the people that were at the demonstrations

00:01:47.660 were just looking for an excuse to get out of the house.

00:01:50.180 um but yeah i mean and obviously i mean i watched the i watched the uh murder of uh george floyd and

00:01:56.440 it's like i mean it's shocking it's real visceral sort of um so such a clear sort of symbol of of

00:02:05.520 the sort of uh the the racism inherent in the in the police the systemic racism because not only

00:02:11.240 is the guy killing him but he's doing it being filmed surrounded by police officers he knows

00:02:15.820 he's not going to get into trouble so um so yeah that was i mean that was really shocking i think

00:02:20.200 you know something that visceral that emotional is obviously going to you know people are going

00:02:23.440 to rise up i mean thank fuck it's like you know it's actually making real change in in uh in 0.67

00:02:29.720 policing and also across wider society so i mean i think in the uk we went through that with the 0.94

00:02:34.780 stephen lawrence inquiry um in the 90s and so the you know the police took big steps to address

00:02:42.420 systemic racism within you know institutional racism within the ranks and hopefully that's

00:02:48.040 that's now happening in america but it's kind of it's kind of overdue sorry to be so serious

00:02:51.800 you know what i mean but it is it is uh it's true and like you know i can totally see what

00:02:55.820 i mean the one thing is um white woke people wasted no time at all like making it all about

00:03:01.740 themselves and you know making things worse straight out there with i've seen them like

00:03:07.020 i've seen them on facebook the stuff you see on social media i've seen white people

00:03:09.760 renouncing, renouncing their white privilege.

00:03:12.840 It's like you can't renounce it.

00:03:14.100 You're still white, you know what I mean? 1.00

00:03:15.640 The only way to renounce it is to do blackface. 1.00

00:03:17.980 It's definitely going to make things worse,

00:03:20.320 you know what I mean?

00:03:20.860 So you can't renounce your white privilege.

00:03:25.160 Did you buy, I saw lots of people with books.

00:03:28.400 Did you get some books

00:03:29.220 and then do an Instagram story about it?

00:03:30.860 Man, none of those people are going to read those books.

00:03:32.600 I've seen people posting photos of like 58 books

00:03:35.280 on colonialism and like, you know,

00:03:37.440 systemic racism and stuff.

00:03:38.920 They're going to read their noggin. 0.99

00:03:39.620 they're not going to read those books like that's it's ridiculous it's like a it's like a thing that 0.97

00:03:43.680 they're uh it's just um performative you know it's virtue signaling um and also a lot of these books 0.91

00:03:49.720 i saw there's one uh there's one called it's called something ridiculous like how to talk 0.82

00:03:54.720 to black people or something it's written by a white person and the whole thing is just sort of 0.94

00:03:59.180 all this guidance that you've got to like go through when you're talking to a black person 0.99

00:04:03.180 as if like the you know what white people need when they're talking to black people is more of 1.00

00:04:08.100 of stick up their ass. 1.00

00:04:09.180 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:04:10.000 I think what people need to do

00:04:11.400 is just,

00:04:11.860 they need to make,

00:04:12.760 honestly,

00:04:13.160 to make people less racist

00:04:16.880 has got to be simple.

00:04:17.940 And I think,

00:04:18.400 you know,

00:04:18.920 simple rules.

00:04:19.940 Nobody's,

00:04:20.460 like,

00:04:20.840 some people are going to read 58 books.

00:04:22.800 Most people aren't going to read 58 books.

00:04:24.480 Those guys that were protecting

00:04:25.500 the war memorials

00:04:26.360 and doing Nazi salutes,

00:04:27.360 they're not going to read 58 books.

00:04:28.940 You need to make it simple.

00:04:30.460 Like,

00:04:30.660 just something like, 1.00

00:04:31.220 don't be a dick. 0.99

00:04:31.900 And like, 1.00

00:04:32.480 you know,

00:04:32.680 listen.

00:04:33.300 And,

00:04:33.540 you know,

00:04:33.660 if somebody raises something,

00:04:34.820 then listen and take it

00:04:35.740 and see it from their point of view

00:04:36.800 and stuff.

00:04:37.520 That's how it's got to be.

00:04:38.680 At the moment, woke people are trying to make an enemy

00:04:41.420 out of quite a big swathe of the population.

00:04:45.040 And I really think people need to be brought on board

00:04:47.340 and led to be less racist.

00:04:52.420 You can't batter them over the head.

00:04:54.480 In psychology, there's a thing called psychological reactance.

00:04:58.840 So you want to do that.

00:04:59.980 If somebody comes and shouts at you to tell you not to do something,

00:05:03.140 you want to do that thing.

00:05:04.020 Yeah. You know, it's a it's a it's a weird, you know, disincentive.

00:05:09.580 So you see it with censorship. You know, if something's censored, then then people want to find it.

00:05:14.520 They want to search out. They want to find it. They want to see it.

00:05:16.820 And I think it's the same with with this. You know, if you shout at somebody and scream at somebody and call them names,

00:05:21.240 you're not going to win them over to your side of the argument.

00:05:23.520 We need to, like, make it easier for people to to be less racist, to make it, you know, a nice thing to do and not battering them over the head,

00:05:31.480 but sort of recognising their point of view and bringing them with us.

00:05:35.120 I mean, apart from the guys doing Nazi salutes,

00:05:36.820 they can just be fed into a mincer, you know what I mean? 1.00

00:05:39.320 Fuck those guys. 1.00

00:05:40.940 He's going to get done for incitement to violence against Nazis now. 1.00

00:05:44.180 So we'd like to publicly distance ourselves from anybody who wants to kill Nazis.

00:05:48.000 And to the few people who have that persuasion,

00:05:51.480 we realise you're not Nazis, you're nationalists.

00:05:53.560 It's very different.

00:05:55.000 But actually, so basically what you're saying, Leo,

00:05:57.520 is cancelling Little Britain isn't going to stop racism.

00:06:00.020 Oh, man, all these TV shows getting cancelled,

00:06:02.880 that just plays into the hands of the far right

00:06:04.920 because they've already got a narrative

00:06:06.900 of white British culture being under attack,

00:06:09.620 which, you know, it is to a certain extent,

00:06:11.460 you know, the Cockney, I almost said race, 0.97

00:06:14.500 but the Cockney culture.

00:06:16.900 The Cockney culture.

00:06:18.400 The Cockney right, right. 0.57

00:06:19.780 The Cockney tribe. 0.98

00:06:21.280 I mean, if the Cockneys were in the Amazon

00:06:24.000 or Papua New Guinea, you know,

00:06:25.320 all these like, you know, woke lefties

00:06:27.120 would be trying to preserve their culture.

00:06:28.700 Because they're white, everybody's like, 1.00

00:06:30.020 nah, fuck you guys, you know what I mean? 1.00

00:06:31.540 Go to Essex, go and buy a house in Essex. 1.00

00:06:33.700 You know what I mean?

00:06:34.140 Take your jelly deals with you. 0.99

00:06:36.280 I think there is this narrative in the far right

00:06:39.460 of white British culture being under attack.

00:06:42.040 So if you cancel all these much-loved TV shows,

00:06:44.620 you're just playing into that narrative.

00:06:46.360 I mean, they're saying they're looking at cancelling

00:06:49.480 some episodes of Only Fools and Horses,

00:06:51.660 taking them down. 0.99

00:06:52.560 I mean, you might as well shit directly 1.00

00:06:54.260 into the Queen's mouth. 1.00

00:06:56.040 You know what I mean?

00:06:56.400 That is just like such a red flag.

00:06:58.340 And none of it's being done by people of colour.

00:07:00.440 All the TV executives,

00:07:01.720 they're all these well-meaning woke lefties.

00:07:04.020 They're all like Oxbridge-educated white people. 0.88

00:07:06.020 This is why we need more like BAME representation 1.00

00:07:08.860 in the arts and executive positions in the media 0.99

00:07:12.660 because they're not going to make stupid positions. 1.00

00:07:14.620 They're not going to cancel only fools and horses 1.00

00:07:16.500 as some sort of gesture to make themselves look good. 0.98

00:07:19.400 You know what I mean?

00:07:19.760 If there's more like black executives in the BBC, 1.00

00:07:22.100 I might have a chance of getting on it.

00:07:24.620 But actually you bring up an interesting point

00:07:26.420 because joking aside,

00:07:28.140 I'm not sure if it's about BAME representations.

00:07:30.720 It's probably more about working class representation.

00:07:32.860 Yeah.

00:07:33.100 I think that's really the issue.

00:07:34.860 And very often when they do diversify stuff,

00:07:37.700 it's the same Oxbridge graduates just with a different skin colour,

00:07:41.300 but they all woke lefties, as you say,

00:07:43.200 as opposed to actually getting genuine diversity in that.

00:07:45.680 And you see it with people of colour as well.

00:07:48.340 I mean, a lot of the people they get, like Nishkumar or whoever,

00:07:51.200 they're people of colour,

00:07:53.000 but they've got the same Oxbridge lefty voice

00:07:57.380 that all the white comedians do.

00:08:00.200 So there's not so much...

00:08:01.740 There's amazing diversity of voices on the club circuit,

00:08:07.140 but they don't all make it onto TV.

00:08:08.780 It tends to be just that strata of Oxbridge-educated lefties.

00:08:13.320 You really like Nish, don't you?

00:08:16.240 He slagged me off.

00:08:17.380 I had nothing against him.

00:08:18.760 Then he slagged me off on stage.

00:08:20.440 And it's like, don't slag me off, you know what I mean?

00:08:22.860 Because I'll bear a grudge.

00:08:24.760 My mate went to see him in Edinburgh

00:08:25.920 and he was on some compilation show

00:08:27.980 and he was drunk 0.99

00:08:28.680 and he was shit apparently 1.00

00:08:30.240 and he slagged me off. 1.00

00:08:31.400 He slagged off right-wing comedians

00:08:32.920 and like named me

00:08:33.980 and I can't remember who else.

00:08:37.600 Well done.

00:08:38.380 It's just erasing

00:08:39.140 all the other right-wing comedians

00:08:40.520 from the field.

00:08:41.800 You're the one right-wing comedian.

00:08:43.540 So he slagged you off

00:08:44.400 and then you've been slagging him off

00:08:46.380 ever since.

00:08:47.100 Twice.

00:08:47.640 Twice.

00:08:48.780 And now.

00:08:49.640 I just did it now.

00:08:50.660 I didn't really slag him off.

00:08:51.640 I just used him as an example

00:08:52.760 of this sort of like,

00:08:53.900 you know,

00:08:54.100 on the surface

00:08:56.760 it looks like diversity

00:08:57.780 but you know

00:08:58.600 it's not really

00:08:59.600 diversity

00:09:00.360 there's much more

00:09:01.520 you know

00:09:01.820 genuinely

00:09:02.560 culturally

00:09:03.200 and whatever else

00:09:04.960 diverse voices

00:09:05.920 out there

00:09:06.620 I mean I might not

00:09:07.900 be articulating that

00:09:08.660 very well

00:09:09.000 but I'm from

00:09:09.420 rural Scotland

00:09:10.500 for fun sake

00:09:11.120 I mean I haven't

00:09:11.820 done a degree

00:09:12.580 in like you know

00:09:13.460 this stuff

00:09:14.600 this is the problem

00:09:16.700 with woke people man

00:09:17.560 they're like

00:09:17.880 somebody who's done

00:09:18.620 a degree

00:09:19.120 you know they'll

00:09:19.920 attack somebody

00:09:20.440 like Tyson Fury

00:09:21.380 they'll be like

00:09:22.020 oh his opinions

00:09:22.920 are terrible

00:09:23.480 so yeah

00:09:24.000 He hasn't been working on his opinions.

00:09:25.520 He hasn't done eight years PhDs in gender studies and stuff.

00:09:29.200 Of course, he's got terrible opinions.

00:09:30.360 He's been learning to get really good at boxing.

00:09:32.720 Nobody talks about these people who've done all these gender studies degrees 0.99

00:09:36.740 being shit at boxing. 0.99

00:09:38.680 If you focus on your opinions, you're going to get really good opinions. 1.00

00:09:41.040 If you focus on boxing, you're going to get good at boxing.

00:09:43.960 I mean, it's a good point.

00:09:45.360 We're having a laugh about it, but the reality is that

00:09:47.960 if you've got opinions which are not deemed to be the correct ones,

00:09:51.440 you're not going to get as far as you probably should.

00:09:54.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:09:56.940 That's a great answer.

00:09:58.800 Because let's be fair.

00:09:59.680 On that note, our last question is.

00:10:02.240 But take Edinburgh, for example.

00:10:04.460 So explain to people who might not know about Edinburgh,

00:10:07.700 why Edinburgh is so important as a comedian

00:10:09.180 and why it's so important to get noticed and to progress.

00:10:12.320 Yeah, I mean, it's a big sort of industry cattle market

00:10:15.000 where all the comedians go, we do our shows,

00:10:17.580 all the industry is there, then go and see the shows.

00:10:19.580 and yeah I mean basically

00:10:22.080 for me it's an opportunity

00:10:24.580 to make some money

00:10:25.500 and write a new show

00:10:27.940 it forces you to write

00:10:28.920 I mean I think Edinburgh

00:10:30.260 is an actual important thing

00:10:31.800 for a comedian getting picked up

00:10:33.140 by the BBC or whatever

00:10:34.080 is diminishing less and less

00:10:36.260 like social media is becoming

00:10:37.280 so much more important

00:10:38.340 and videos you put out

00:10:39.640 on YouTube or whatever

00:10:40.420 but yeah I mean it's

00:10:42.620 you know traditionally

00:10:43.240 that's why Edinburgh was important

00:10:44.500 what was the question?

00:10:46.120 maybe you might disagree with it

00:10:50.960 I don't think you will

00:10:51.760 but isn't it a fundamentally biased system

00:10:54.720 and way of doing things

00:10:56.580 the Edinburgh Festival

00:10:57.280 yeah I mean the industry is still

00:10:59.080 hugely biased towards

00:11:02.060 sort of middle class

00:11:04.100 woke university educated lefties

00:11:06.800 the industry is run by

00:11:09.660 white woke lefties

00:11:11.680 and you know anybody who

00:11:13.380 doesn't fit into that mould

00:11:15.780 doesn't get much of a look in.

00:11:18.080 And what does woke mean to you?

00:11:19.720 Because we use that term

00:11:20.820 and we all say woke this, woke that.

00:11:22.740 What does woke mean to you?

00:11:23.980 It's quite a sort of rigid ideology

00:11:26.260 that shifts over time.

00:11:28.600 And like what's woke one week

00:11:29.780 won't be woke the next week?

00:11:31.120 And like everybody's using last week's terms.

00:11:32.940 I noticed recently somebody used a new term

00:11:36.340 for BAME people.

00:11:37.560 So, you know, with people of colour,

00:11:40.080 it evolved to BAME and now it's BIPOC. 0.92

00:11:44.980 was what?

00:11:46.740 Black, indigenous,

00:11:49.520 black and indigenous,

00:11:51.500 black, indigenous and people of colour.

00:11:53.960 All right.

00:11:54.900 And there was a reason,

00:11:55.640 there was a reason

00:11:56.300 that did sort of make sense

00:11:57.180 about why you'd use that.

00:11:58.460 But then like anybody's using

00:11:59.380 the old terminology,

00:12:00.880 you know what I mean?

00:12:01.180 It's like when your granddad comes out

00:12:02.440 and, you know,

00:12:02.760 uses some sort of racist term,

00:12:04.140 you know,

00:12:04.720 just because he hasn't been updated,

00:12:05.720 he hasn't learned out of malice or anything.

00:12:07.060 It's just what they've been taught.

00:12:08.420 But like woke culture is always,

00:12:09.660 and nobody's ever going to be,

00:12:10.780 it's almost like,

00:12:12.300 like with woke culture,

00:12:13.660 nothing's ever pure enough.

00:12:14.980 It's like this religious purity.

00:12:16.640 And then you've constantly got to apologize

00:12:18.180 and atone for sins that you may not have even committed.

00:12:21.300 You know what I mean?

00:12:21.920 Sins of your forefathers. 0.99

00:12:23.500 You've got to apologize for slavery.

00:12:24.900 I mean, I'm not being funny,

00:12:26.080 but I doubt my ancestors owned slaves.

00:12:28.860 There's only like a tiny proportion.

00:12:30.380 I think my ancestors were just digging a field 0.99

00:12:33.600 full of turnips somewhere and having a shit time. 0.95

00:12:36.960 But yeah, you've got to apologize for all this stuff. 1.00

00:12:38.800 And it's almost like they've repackaged Catholicism.

00:12:41.780 You know, this constant sort of atone,

00:12:43.720 This religious purity that you're never going to attain 0.96

00:12:46.960 and also the constant atonement and, you know,

00:12:49.560 absolving yourself and then feeling better

00:12:51.780 because you've done that.

00:12:53.000 Maybe there's something innate in people

00:12:54.380 that wants to do that.

00:12:55.300 One every Sunday wants to confess their sins

00:12:57.140 and say they're going to be a better person

00:12:59.060 and read these books on racial justice, you know? 1.00

00:13:01.220 Fuck a kid. 1.00

00:13:04.420 Too much? 1.00

00:13:05.360 Yeah.

00:13:06.520 But that's what these religions do anyway. 0.94

00:13:09.180 Yeah.

00:13:10.280 We can cut that out.

00:13:11.260 No, it's staying in

00:13:13.700 BIPOC, I didn't know about this

00:13:15.800 I think between all of these different groups

00:13:18.800 they're going to capture most of the alphabet very soon

00:13:20.860 aren't they?

00:13:22.880 The thing is

00:13:23.780 once you make these acronyms

00:13:27.260 big enough, like LGBTQ 1.00

00:13:28.240 has gone on to lots of

00:13:30.720 I plus and stuff

00:13:31.600 and now it includes me, they've included me in that thing

00:13:34.720 so they've got me

00:13:36.240 turning up to their parties 1.00

00:13:38.500 and they're like, who the fuck's this guy? 0.99

00:13:39.900 No, they're not really. 0.99

00:13:40.680 But like, you know, once you meet,

00:13:42.040 because I dated that transgender lassie 1.00

00:13:43.680 and I went to do a show about it in Perth

00:13:45.560 and got cancelled.

00:13:46.740 So what happened with that?

00:13:47.920 Tell us.

00:13:48.600 Oh, so basically I did this,

00:13:49.800 I did this show,

00:13:52.220 Right Wind Comedian,

00:13:53.040 like a couple of years back.

00:13:54.020 Well, last year in Australia, in fact.

00:13:56.020 And obviously like a name like that

00:13:57.920 got people's backs up in the arts community

00:14:00.540 because, you know, they're all for diversity,

00:14:03.020 but not diversity of opinion.

00:14:05.280 You know, it's got to stick to this rigid

00:14:06.660 sort of woke lefty narrative.

00:14:08.500 You can't have any mainstream opinions broadcast on a comedy stage.

00:14:13.240 That would be terrible.

00:14:15.020 So, yeah, so I was doing the show Right One Comedian.

00:14:16.620 People went on to try and get me cancelled.

00:14:19.560 They dug through my stuff, went through my Twitter,

00:14:21.340 went all the way back to that afternoon and found something that I'd posted.

00:14:26.120 And it was about the difference in transitioning between men and women.

00:14:31.400 It was about male privilege because people talk about how there's male privilege.

00:14:37.180 But I think it's tough being a man.

00:14:38.500 know that's why so many of us are transitioning right now and it is way harder for somebody like

00:14:42.800 me to transition to being a woman than it is for a woman to transition to being a man like if i

00:14:46.620 want to transition to being a woman it's a whole extensive thing a woman wants to transition to 1.00

00:14:52.280 being a man basically she she stops shaving um and um you know grows a beard and people might be 0.98

00:14:59.920 like you know i think that man's got tits you know like if i were uh if i want to transition 1.00

00:15:04.700 to being a woman there's you know there's all these hormones surgery all the rest of i've got 1.00

00:15:08.720 to go through and people got really offended that uh that material was transphobic it wasn't

00:15:12.660 intended to be transphobic it was just looking at the differences and you know the experience

00:15:17.060 between men and women and uh you know it's just a it's just a fact that the men who transition to

00:15:22.540 women are pass uh less convincingly in society than women who transition to men because you get 1.00

00:15:28.100 small feminine men 0.85

00:15:29.360 like you two

00:15:31.020 he's small now

00:15:34.800 he's lost a lot of weight

00:15:35.620 in the last night

00:15:36.220 did you notice

00:15:37.020 no

00:15:37.900 have you lost weight

00:15:38.880 have you lost weight

00:15:39.740 yeah

00:15:40.160 I've lost about two stone

00:15:41.620 you prick

00:15:42.200 have you really

00:15:43.080 no way

00:15:43.740 how did you do it

00:15:44.640 basically

00:15:45.680 I locked myself in my flat

00:15:47.340 for three months

00:15:47.960 I can't cook

00:15:48.620 and I had a breakdown

00:15:49.280 right

00:15:50.140 yeah

00:15:50.520 it's a good way to do it

00:15:51.540 yeah yeah 0.86

00:15:52.020 you had an actual mental breakdown 0.51

00:15:53.460 no

00:15:54.100 anyway it was a joke 1.00

00:15:55.180 come on fuck off 1.00

00:15:55.960 we're all waiting for you 1.00

00:15:57.600 to have one

00:15:58.000 Well, I mean, it's inevitable.

00:16:02.580 Next time I get cancelled, which I will be.

00:16:05.000 Which I will be.

00:16:06.080 What were we talking about?

00:16:06.740 We were talking about small effeminate men.

00:16:08.740 Oh, yeah.

00:16:09.240 So you get small effeminate men.

00:16:11.860 So, like, you know, women who transition to being a man will pass. 0.99

00:16:14.600 But you tend not to get, you know, large masculine women. 0.99

00:16:17.800 You know, the prominent brow bone and the jaw bone and all the rest of it.

00:16:20.560 So women who transition, men who transition to women don't always pass as well.

00:16:24.300 And that's just a recognised thing.

00:16:25.560 but people people said people aren't as uh people are you know aren't as well informed as me but

00:16:32.800 think that they're woke uh accused that accused me of being transphobic and got me cancelled from

00:16:38.000 my venue and my venue just pulled me straight away they just said you know this is an inclusive

00:16:41.620 space you have to leave and yeah i was out and um yeah like uh what was what was the original

00:16:49.040 question it's the third time he's asked that but what do you make of it because there's a lot of

00:16:55.120 people in the world of comedy who like you know we've probably used the term woke lefties like

00:16:59.320 20 times in the course of this interview they'd be like well yeah but it's never the funny comedians

00:17:04.140 that are complaining about censorship and comedy like all this kind of thing like do you think

00:17:09.080 maybe we go too far sometimes and we talk about all the censorship when actually we can all kind

00:17:14.000 of do the stuff that we want to do is that i mean i think censorship is as it can be quite a subtle

00:17:19.940 thing you know even just um even just the self-censorship that you feel most most censorship

00:17:26.240 is invisible it's just put on you by yourself the artist censors out of fear so i mean if you're in

00:17:31.680 a repressive regime then uh you know like iran or brunei or something then you're going to self-censor

00:17:36.440 you're not going to mention the sultan or whatever it is i mean i did a gig in brunei last year

00:17:40.120 and uh where comedy is illegal and you know obviously i wasn't allowed to mention the sultan

00:17:44.680 but also

00:17:45.180 I mean it made it exciting

00:17:46.280 because it was illegal

00:17:46.900 but

00:17:48.480 I bet your trans material 1.00

00:17:49.840 went down great

00:17:50.500 I can't remember

00:17:51.580 if I did it

00:17:52.120 I think I just did

00:17:53.600 like regular club stuff

00:17:55.080 but even like

00:17:56.420 you know 0.78

00:17:56.600 talking about shagging

00:17:57.440 and stuff

00:17:57.680 well I mean just the act

00:17:58.800 of doing comedy

00:17:59.540 in Brunei

00:18:00.080 is you know

00:18:00.780 you're not allowed to do it

00:18:01.640 it was fun

00:18:02.760 yeah so under

00:18:04.120 a repressive regime

00:18:05.060 that's the kind of

00:18:06.160 censorship you do

00:18:06.700 are you saying

00:18:07.220 that that's kind of

00:18:07.980 what we're doing here

00:18:09.220 as well

00:18:09.620 we self censor

00:18:10.680 because

00:18:11.240 yeah yeah

00:18:11.800 if somebody comes out

00:18:12.920 and you know

00:18:13.300 does anything

00:18:13.900 you know if you question the the woke narrative then you know you get shouted down people you

00:18:17.860 know and see it they say oh you're it's a dog whistle for for racism and stuff or you're

00:18:22.320 apologizing for these uh for right-wing people or whatever and uh yeah that that can have as

00:18:27.500 as much of an impact and also i mean there's there's a comedy club bookers who admit that

00:18:32.300 they won't they won't book me i mean most comedy club bookers they're they want to make money they

00:18:36.800 want everybody to have a good time uh they know i'm not spouting you know hateful stuff if you

00:18:40.960 if you genuinely did hateful stuff on stage at a comedy night, it wouldn't work because

00:18:45.800 you don't need to censor comedians. There's already a jury in front of us judging us constantly. And

00:18:51.320 that's the audience. If they don't like it, if they think that we're being racist, sexist,

00:18:55.620 homophobic, they're not going to laugh. You've got to agree or at least recognize the truth that

00:19:01.480 something's coming from and find the person likable to be able to laugh at them. So censorship

00:19:06.740 in comedy is a bit ridiculous because it's completely unnecessary given that we're constantly

00:19:11.000 self-censoring and constantly in that feedback loop with an audience and it's interesting that

00:19:16.720 you say that because you know there's a comedy night that we do all the time which is comedy

00:19:21.000 unleashed yeah we all love and we have a really good time at and then every once in a while some

00:19:26.100 really noble kind woke person pops up and says it's a racist gig yeah yeah and that's the kind

00:19:33.220 of thing that affects you know now there's people saying that they want to distance themselves from

00:19:36.600 comedy unleashed and uh you know the same comedians who perform perform there are like um are you know

00:19:42.120 alt-right um which is they're just talking about me mate

00:19:45.220 and yeah like uh that that's that censorship that that feeds into like people's self-censorship and

00:19:56.360 that feeds into people's perceptions bookers perceptions people in the media's perceptions

00:20:00.820 and cuts down avenues you know it's a subtle way of chipping away at somebody's somebody's

00:20:06.240 freedoms i guess it's not really censorship in the sense that the government isn't coming in and

00:20:10.500 stopping it maybe what we're really talking about is this fever pitch you know everyone's a nazi or

00:20:17.140 everyone's a work lefty maybe we're doing it a little bit too like everybody's evil you know on

00:20:22.720 both sides and therefore it feeds into this narrative that if you don't agree with somebody

00:20:27.160 entirely then they must be evil yeah now i i would you know like um i've seen many of your shows or

00:20:33.460 performances and clubs and whatever to be honest with you i think you don't have to be right-wing

00:20:38.140 or even centrist to enjoy them i think it's just great comedy but i think what happens is if we

00:20:43.200 keep being told that this is a night that only caters to right-wing people or whatever yeah

00:20:48.220 then it creates this false perception yeah and so i think maybe it's not sensitive probably the

00:20:52.900 wrong word you know what i mean like it's something yeah something else i mean censorship doesn't have

00:20:56.500 to be this draconian sort of state-imposed absolutist thing i mean it can be the the just

00:21:01.780 gentle suppression of ideas and people and and self-censorship is the i mean when we think of

00:21:08.800 censorship we think of you know lenny bruce being arrested and all this kind of stuff

00:21:11.700 most censorship is just self-censorship that you do according to to what you think is going to be

00:21:17.000 um what you think is fashionable and what you think is acceptable and and what you think is

00:21:22.360 on trend and what's gonna what's gonna be good for you and is there stuff that you've not done

00:21:26.040 that you've written that you thought this is great and it's funny and it's not it's not hateful or

00:21:30.660 anything like that but you've gone no i can't do that yeah yeah no absolutely i mean i was i was

00:21:34.500 dating a nigerian lassie for a while and i did stuff about good stuff but you know i did i mean

00:21:40.680 and it was a a cultural eye-opener for me there was there's you know cultural differences between

00:21:45.880 us that really um i mean i didn't know about the weaves i didn't know about the weaves like i

00:21:51.140 remember i was kissing her i was like what's these nobbles in your head and she's like it's it's my

00:21:54.940 weave and i'm like what's a weave and she's like you don't know what a weave is i'm like no

00:21:59.040 and she's like

00:22:01.340 I was like no way

00:22:03.020 and she's like did you think this is my real hair

00:22:04.820 and I was like yeah

00:22:05.720 I didn't know

00:22:07.980 so there's all that sort of culture clash stuff

00:22:10.740 but I found

00:22:11.400 when I spoke about it on stage

00:22:14.020 some audiences liked it but sometimes 0.98

00:22:16.540 I could just feel arse 0.99

00:22:18.680 starting to clench a little bit 0.98

00:22:20.020 that I'm talking about this sort of

00:22:22.080 racial interplay

00:22:24.220 and do you, just before you jump in Francis

00:22:26.840 do you find like I always find

00:22:28.540 it was like four months ago whenever when we did comedy but i've always found that if you do stuff

00:22:34.640 about race which is what you're talking about or anything like that it's in my experience and

00:22:39.020 maybe i'm judging and maybe i'm wrong but my experience is always the middle class woke people

00:22:44.040 who are white that don't like it yeah and it's usually the minorities who are laughing their 1.00

00:22:48.640 heads off because so really what what i feel is it's not so much that people from those communities

00:22:54.180 are becoming more easily offended.

00:22:56.280 It's the white, woke, middle-class people

00:22:58.920 who are being offended on their behalf preventatively.

00:23:01.500 Do you, is that?

00:23:02.800 Yeah, absolutely.

00:23:03.740 I mean, woke, white people love to get offended

00:23:06.120 on other people's behalf

00:23:07.160 and they love to try and fix problems

00:23:09.000 that aren't, you know, they're not best placed to fix.

00:23:12.100 I mean, if history has shown us anything,

00:23:13.480 it's that oppressed, marginalized people

00:23:15.720 are their own best advocates.

00:23:18.120 Like, we should just sit back

00:23:19.440 and let them speak and support them.

00:23:21.700 You know, Martin Luther King's speech

00:23:23.020 wouldn't have been improved

00:23:23.880 if some woke white guy in a Black Lives Matter t-shirt 0.58

00:23:26.440 bars him out of the way and said,

00:23:28.380 well, wait a minute, we're going to park that for a moment

00:23:31.120 because I also had a dream.

00:23:33.240 I was riding a giraffe with the cheeky girls 1.00

00:23:35.720 and whatever it is.

00:23:38.920 I think woke white people always try and take offence

00:23:43.480 on other people's behalf and also try and fix things

00:23:45.500 and it usually backfires.

00:23:47.520 It's really interesting when you watch comedy

00:23:49.940 from like 10 years ago.

00:23:51.340 Like even old episodes of Mock the Week with Frankie Boyle on them from 12 years ago.

00:23:55.360 And you were absolutely just flabbergasted at what they got away with.

00:23:59.960 He said something like, even as a comedian, we're like, oh, that's a bit near the knuckle.

00:24:04.380 Everybody laughs and then they just move on to the next joke.

00:24:07.860 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:08.680 Do you think we've become more censorious in comedy now?

00:24:11.120 Oh, absolutely.

00:24:12.000 I mean, even Frankie Boyle himself, he made all his money doing these outrageous,

00:24:17.120 hilarious jokes about completely unjustifiable things.

00:24:20.220 like there's no way

00:24:20.960 you can justify that joke

00:24:22.040 he did about

00:24:22.600 Jordan's kid Harvey

00:24:23.700 you know

00:24:24.180 and that joke

00:24:25.720 has got everything

00:24:26.400 it's a rape joke 1.00

00:24:27.740 it's misogynist 0.99

00:24:28.800 it's racial 0.68

00:24:30.240 it's like everything

00:24:31.480 and that joke 0.98

00:24:32.100 is fucking horrible 0.99

00:24:32.940 and now like 1.00

00:24:33.660 I bet he made loads

00:24:34.320 of money off it

00:24:34.980 he made loads of money

00:24:35.800 and now he's turned around

00:24:36.580 and he's like

00:24:36.940 oh everybody else

00:24:37.880 shouldn't be doing

00:24:38.540 you know

00:24:39.000 shouldn't be doing these

00:24:39.940 everybody's got to be woke now

00:24:41.160 it's like how about

00:24:41.800 you give that money

00:24:42.660 that you made 1.00

00:24:43.420 doing these fucking 1.00

00:24:44.360 horrible jokes 1.00

00:24:45.180 I mean they're very funny

00:24:46.420 Blanchett and stuff

00:24:47.320 he does

00:24:47.560 but how about you

00:24:48.100 give that money

00:24:48.760 to like you know

00:24:49.760 other comedians

00:24:51.040 that aren't allowed

00:24:51.440 to do those jokes then.

00:24:52.660 You know?

00:24:53.620 Give that money to me.

00:24:54.840 You see,

00:24:55.180 I would have gone to like

00:24:56.200 orphans in Africa

00:24:57.180 but no, 0.96

00:24:57.620 you just want the money.

00:24:59.460 Me?

00:24:59.960 Yeah.

00:25:00.920 Someone's not opening

00:25:01.700 for Frankie Boyle

00:25:02.520 next door.

00:25:04.820 But it's amazing,

00:25:06.180 isn't it?

00:25:06.560 And you know,

00:25:07.140 all of a sudden

00:25:07.680 we've come to this point

00:25:08.800 where you just can't say

00:25:10.420 certain things

00:25:11.820 and you self-censor yourself.

00:25:14.520 Do you reckon

00:25:14.840 it's going to come a point

00:25:15.780 where comedy

00:25:17.640 is essentially

00:25:18.380 not really going to work

00:25:19.580 anymore? Or do you think there's going to be a backlash?

00:25:21.560 I think there's going to be a backlash. And I think

00:25:23.340 it's already started.

00:25:25.540 And I think people recognise,

00:25:27.500 you know, mostly recognise that comedy

00:25:29.460 has got to be a sort of unsafe

00:25:31.500 space where we can be outrageous and provocative.

00:25:33.860 Because that's where the funny stuff is.

00:25:35.960 I mean, and it's not for everybody.

00:25:38.220 I mean, but I watched

00:25:39.340 Nanette and

00:25:41.040 the other one, Douglas. I mean, I try to watch it and I just

00:25:43.440 don't get it. But people are loving it.

00:25:45.560 So that's fine. They can love that. But that's not

00:25:47.540 my kind of stuff. I want to watch, you know, Jerry Sadoway

00:25:49.560 and stuff like that so people have got to recognize that just as i can't shut down hannah

00:25:53.380 gadsby they shouldn't be able to shut down jerry sadowitz or bill burr or whoever i want to watch

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00:28:07.220 that that desire to shut it down why where do you think the counterculture is happening do you think

00:28:11.940 it's something like comedy unleashed like night is it the internet or is it other things i think

00:28:16.540 yeah it's across uh it's across a lot of things there's i mean comedy unleashed but also regular

00:28:21.560 club nights uh you can really i think people think club comedy it's just jonglers it's a

00:28:27.720 middle-aged guys doing dick jokes um which actually it is but like when people have paid

00:28:34.420 when people have paid 15 pounds to go and see comedy um like they'll they'll really stay on

00:28:39.020 board for you know you can explore some ideas political ideas social social cultural ideas

00:28:43.980 and i think it's a good way of defusing tensions because there is there's i mean i know i mentioned

00:28:48.200 it before but there is this sort of pervasive feeling amongst you know certain sections of

00:28:53.240 white british society that white british culture is under attack and that's that's a that's a thing 0.82

00:28:57.980 that's gonna that's a feeling that's gonna have to be acknowledged and dealt with anybody who

00:29:02.860 voices anything about it at the moment is shouted down as a racist you know i mean actually i was

00:29:08.440 arguing with somebody today uh like i said you know we should make the you know the guy the hero

00:29:13.620 from the um riots who carried the black guy who carried out the the white guy uh possible fascist

00:29:19.300 we don't know 0.58

00:29:21.920 but yeah there's a good chance he was throwing

00:29:23.380 Nazi salutes or whatever before that but he carried him out 0.99

00:29:25.680 saved him, risked his life to save this guy

00:29:27.480 who might be ideologically opposed to him, might hate him

00:29:29.820 whatever, this black guy risked his life

00:29:31.840 to save this white guy and it's a beautiful

00:29:33.700 moment and it does so much to

00:29:34.940 defuse the tensions and show

00:29:37.120 it's just a beautiful

00:29:39.600 symbolic thing and

00:29:41.060 this guy should play the new James Bond

00:29:43.700 and somebody came straight in and they're all like

00:29:45.660 oh no, we've got to have a white James Bond 0.97

00:29:47.600 we've got to have a white James Bond

00:29:49.060 It's like, why?

00:29:51.200 He's British.

00:29:52.020 It's like, well, he's been played by an Australian

00:29:53.820 and an Irishman.

00:29:54.820 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:29:55.880 Idris Elba is more British than fucking George Lazenby. 0.99

00:29:59.560 He's totally like, no, he's going to be white. 0.99

00:30:01.380 But it's this weird. 0.99

00:30:02.340 I mean, I was ripping the piss out of this guy 0.92

00:30:03.740 for saying James Bond's got to be white, 0.96

00:30:05.580 but that is how people,

00:30:07.680 that is how some people feel.

00:30:09.460 They feel like the attacks

00:30:11.160 and all the TV shows getting taken off,

00:30:14.160 it all feeds into this narrative

00:30:16.400 of white persecution.

00:30:19.060 I mean, there's obviously deeper stuff as well, like the Rotherham grooming gangs and stuff like that, which were, you know, the report said that political correctness, you know, woke culture was part of those incidents being ignored and allowed to carry on over decades because people were scared of looking racist.

00:30:40.740 So they allowed children to be abused rather than look racist by, you know, taking action to do it.

00:30:47.180 And also, you know, it shows that class is still a huge, a huge injustice in our society, you know, because they're white working class. 0.99

00:30:58.520 They're just ignored. There's no, you know, there's nobody advocating for them.

00:31:02.100 They're seen as, you know, the lowest rung in society.

00:31:05.380 And, you know, I think that's something that's got to be addressed as well.

00:31:09.260 Again, because it's deemed unacceptable to punch down on certain people.

00:31:14.820 But if you punch down on white working class people, 0.92

00:31:17.360 that gets automatically a big reaction, 0.97

00:31:19.460 a little round of applause and the rest of it.

00:31:21.620 And you were mentioning about Rodham.

00:31:23.120 I think the report got released, was it, last month?

00:31:25.580 And they suppressed it.

00:31:26.840 Really?

00:31:27.360 Yeah.

00:31:27.680 Yeah, they suppressed it.

00:31:28.640 Right.

00:31:30.200 Again, because they're afraid of inflaming racial tensions.

00:31:34.080 Yeah, but they're inflaming them more by not releasing it.

00:31:37.740 Yeah, because it's kicking the can down the road and it's also fueling the fire of Tommy Robinson and all the sort of far-right people.

00:31:47.320 So people really need to acknowledge it and deal with it before it becomes something that feeds into the far-right.

00:31:53.920 I think this is where the cultural aspect and comedy as part of this needs to recognize its role in the sense that if you can only make fun of certain groups.

00:32:03.040 Like, I know lots of working class people

00:32:04.480 who are absolutely up for being made fun of.

00:32:06.580 Yeah.

00:32:06.860 As long as so is everybody else.

00:32:08.900 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:09.560 But at the moment you start saying,

00:32:10.900 well, you can't go there, you can't go there,

00:32:12.700 and only these people can be the target of your jokes,

00:32:16.180 then you're going to start to see a fight back there as well. 0.99

00:32:19.660 And then who the fuck knows, 0.98

00:32:20.840 we're going to be back to airplane food, aren't we? 0.99

00:32:23.320 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:25.000 See, it's a funny subject.

00:32:26.380 Yeah, it's hilarious.

00:32:28.280 So, I mean, obviously with the lockdown as well,

00:32:30.980 has had a deadly impact on comedy

00:32:33.580 for some time in this country.

00:32:35.460 Why do you see,

00:32:36.540 do you think we're going to come back this year?

00:32:38.620 And when we do,

00:32:39.420 do you think it's going to be completely different,

00:32:41.080 the same?

00:32:41.620 Like, how do you see it?

00:32:42.840 I think it's going to be gradual.

00:32:44.380 I mean, there's some promoters

00:32:46.180 putting on driving gigs,

00:32:47.780 which, to be honest,

00:32:48.980 sound pretty horrific.

00:32:50.080 Like, up in Glasgow,

00:32:51.080 they're doing them.

00:32:52.300 So you stand in a truck,

00:32:53.140 you've got a big screen behind you

00:32:54.420 so everybody can see you.

00:32:55.680 But then you've got, like,

00:32:56.220 all these Glaswegian families

00:32:57.580 sitting in cars armed with car horns

00:32:59.560 in front of you.

00:33:00.360 you're not getting

00:33:01.120 any of the laughter

00:33:01.760 the feedback

00:33:02.300 laughter from the crowd

00:33:03.640 but you are going to get

00:33:04.780 Glaswegians going 1.00

00:33:06.040 fuck off 1.00

00:33:06.880 you're the shit 1.00

00:33:07.600 you're the shit 1.00

00:33:07.620 you know 1.00

00:33:08.440 so

00:33:09.240 I think it's good

00:33:10.380 and also you've got

00:33:10.920 to keep it clean

00:33:11.520 because it's families

00:33:12.080 in the cars

00:33:12.580 so yeah

00:33:13.640 I'm going to do them

00:33:14.760 because I like money

00:33:15.480 but I'm not looking

00:33:16.840 forward to them

00:33:17.440 and then I think

00:33:18.240 club shows

00:33:19.320 will start to return

00:33:20.380 I mean a lot of people

00:33:21.740 are saying they don't

00:33:22.600 they don't feel comfortable

00:33:23.660 going to a comedy club

00:33:24.580 because you've crammed in

00:33:25.300 with so many people

00:33:26.100 but I mean

00:33:27.560 coronavirus is pretty much

00:33:29.460 over isn't it

00:33:30.140 isn't it

00:33:31.020 it feels like it

00:33:31.700 yeah it feels like it

00:33:32.780 you know what I mean

00:33:33.180 maybe not if you're 80

00:33:34.060 but for the rest of us

00:33:35.480 they never came to my shows

00:33:36.300 anyways

00:33:36.720 maybe it's woke mate

00:33:39.440 yeah

00:33:39.960 no but

00:33:42.120 but it seems like

00:33:43.100 the lockdown

00:33:43.720 I mean like

00:33:44.520 we're recording this

00:33:45.340 in London now

00:33:46.040 I don't see many people

00:33:47.460 you know socially distancing

00:33:48.800 or any of that

00:33:49.760 especially not in this room mate

00:33:50.860 not in this room

00:33:51.620 you guys can't see

00:33:53.540 there's about 73 people

00:33:54.800 in here right now

00:33:55.540 all the windows

00:33:56.340 and doors are shut

00:33:57.000 and we can't breathe

00:33:57.740 yeah

00:33:58.120 yeah but

00:33:59.560 but yeah

00:33:59.980 I mean, it does seem to be over.

00:34:01.620 I guess what I was asking as well is,

00:34:03.440 as I was thinking of coming back or whatever,

00:34:06.840 are you thinking you need to do things

00:34:09.160 really differently with comedy

00:34:10.380 or you think we just come back?

00:34:12.620 You start doing basically the same stuff

00:34:14.260 you were doing before with...

00:34:15.780 I think I'll probably update it.

00:34:17.920 The one thing that's happened

00:34:19.340 is because I'm doing internet stuff

00:34:21.220 and recording videos,

00:34:22.300 I've been writing a lot more.

00:34:24.000 So I think doing stuff on the internet

00:34:25.380 is great for writing

00:34:26.500 because you can't come out

00:34:27.160 and do the same 20 minutes every week.

00:34:29.280 So, yeah, writing stuff, recording it.

00:34:32.940 And I think, you know, it's great with the internet as well.

00:34:34.960 There's no sort of upper limit.

00:34:36.460 I mean, my salary has been fairly sort of constant

00:34:39.540 because there's only so many club gigs you can do.

00:34:43.260 So you can, you know, you're sort of capped,

00:34:45.780 you're limited by the,

00:34:46.820 and they never pay more than, you know,

00:34:48.520 like 200, 300 quid.

00:34:50.400 Occasionally you'll get like, you know, more than that.

00:34:52.640 But, you know, you're generally sort of limited.

00:34:54.560 You can only do like maximum, you know, one or two a night.

00:34:56.780 so that limits you

00:34:59.360 whereas with the internet

00:35:00.240 there's no upper bound

00:35:01.200 on how many people

00:35:02.100 you can fit in the room

00:35:02.860 so I think like you guys

00:35:04.960 with Trigonometry

00:35:05.620 which is taken off

00:35:06.800 and Comedy Unleashed

00:35:07.860 which is taken off online

00:35:08.920 that's a way forward

00:35:10.380 So do you think more and more

00:35:12.320 that you're going to be on the internet

00:35:14.700 and comedy is going to lose

00:35:16.600 that sort of live environment?

00:35:18.440 I think the live environment

00:35:19.460 is still there's nothing

00:35:20.360 nothing's going to replace

00:35:21.540 being live on stage

00:35:23.740 in front of people

00:35:24.460 that's just

00:35:24.920 I mean, that's the sort of visceral thrill

00:35:26.760 that I think, you know, comedians need.

00:35:28.440 That's what I really meant.

00:35:29.120 I got so depressed, like, the first bit of lockdown.

00:35:31.560 You know, because I went from doing festivals,

00:35:33.140 so I was, like, you know, doing so many shows a day.

00:35:35.160 It was so much fun.

00:35:35.920 And then, like, you know, straight to nothing.

00:35:38.440 It was horrible.

00:35:39.180 And then you get an occasional, like, Zoom gig or whatever.

00:35:41.680 You're just shouting at a laptop webcam.

00:35:43.940 And you switch the laptop off, 1.00

00:35:45.840 and you're just like, fucking, 0.99

00:35:46.780 well, you reckon there's a light fit and it'll hold a rope? 0.99

00:35:50.460 And it was, yeah, it was grim.

00:35:52.720 An audience is the same.

00:35:53.920 I think people, you know, they want to be in a live environment as well.

00:35:57.480 There's nothing, you can't beat that for sure.

00:35:59.760 Yeah.

00:36:00.240 There's something about human nature.

00:36:01.620 We want people around us.

00:36:02.560 We want that communal experience.

00:36:04.180 Right.

00:36:04.440 Yeah, absolutely.

00:36:05.460 But equally, I think a lot of people are scared too.

00:36:07.740 Yeah.

00:36:08.860 Like Francis was saying, they've been terrified for three months to stay at home, don't, you know.

00:36:13.920 Yeah.

00:36:14.420 Maybe the whole protest and the riots might open the riots a little bit.

00:36:19.720 That was a turning point for me, man, because I followed every single thing to the letter.

00:36:23.920 And then the moment you just...

00:36:25.340 You're not in Russia now, man.

00:36:26.900 You're in Britain.

00:36:27.640 Nobody follows the rules. 1.00

00:36:29.400 Well, I did, like an idiot. 1.00

00:36:31.300 And then you wake up 1.00

00:36:32.460 and there's like thousands of people in the street

00:36:34.120 and you go,

00:36:34.800 eh, maybe this wasn't all that real.

00:36:38.320 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:40.560 Man, it's interesting times, isn't it?

00:36:42.140 Interesting times.

00:36:43.620 What was the question?

00:36:45.580 I don't know what the question is.

00:36:47.120 About how comedy is going to be after coronavirus.

00:36:50.060 Yeah.

00:36:50.540 Yeah, I mean, I think the internet's good.

00:36:53.340 But the trouble with all this internet stuff

00:36:54.980 is you've got to really work at it.

00:36:57.400 You guys, you must work really hard

00:37:00.000 doing all the editing and all this.

00:37:01.620 And just organizing people to get in a room.

00:37:03.400 You know what I mean?

00:37:04.240 I can't organize stuff.

00:37:05.900 If I could organize stuff, I'd get a normal job.

00:37:08.240 The only thing I'm remotely qualified for

00:37:11.160 is getting on stage and shouting.

00:37:12.640 And I need a deadline to get anything done.

00:37:14.860 And a gig is inbuilt deadlines.

00:37:17.080 You've got to get to the gig and do it.

00:37:19.120 Having to record videos and edit them

00:37:21.040 and upload them and do subtitles and stuff 0.99

00:37:22.960 it's such a pain in the ass 0.98

00:37:24.180 you know 1.00

00:37:24.480 tell me about it

00:37:25.260 but let's talk a little bit

00:37:26.340 about Hate and Live

00:37:27.100 as well

00:37:27.440 which is like

00:37:28.460 an improvised show

00:37:29.660 that you do

00:37:30.540 with another comedian

00:37:31.380 I'm glad we didn't mention it

00:37:33.220 yeah let's not mention it 1.00

00:37:34.020 yeah fuck you Darius 1.00

00:37:34.940 Hate and Live 1.00

00:37:37.900 Hate and Live

00:37:38.720 but

00:37:39.700 is that something

00:37:41.460 do you think

00:37:41.880 like just tell people

00:37:43.020 what it is

00:37:43.500 and then we'll

00:37:43.860 maybe talk about it

00:37:45.140 yeah so basically

00:37:45.800 Hate and Live

00:37:46.600 is a show

00:37:47.660 that I run with

00:37:48.200 Darius Davies

00:37:49.020 and it's a sort of

00:37:49.980 you know how there's

00:37:51.300 censorship in comedy

00:37:52.940 and you've got to be careful about what you say.

00:37:55.100 This pushes the line way over

00:37:57.420 because what we do is we get the audience

00:37:58.800 to give us suggestions

00:37:59.760 and then the comedians have to get on stage

00:38:01.660 and hate on whatever that suggestion is.

00:38:04.380 So it's coming from the audience.

00:38:05.940 So they'll accept far more evil stuff

00:38:08.760 than they would have if you just came out

00:38:10.000 and started saying that stuff at a normal gig.

00:38:12.020 And it's just got a brilliant atmosphere

00:38:13.600 and we've been doing it for ages now.

00:38:15.780 Seriously, like eight years or something like that.

00:38:18.240 And we take it to the Australian festivals

00:38:19.920 and the Edinburgh Festival

00:38:20.800 and we tour it around the country

00:38:21.740 and it's yeah it's really brilliant fun i was thinking whether you could you could do that

00:38:24.980 online but then i remember some of the comments that even we get and i was like i'm not sure

00:38:30.340 that's gonna be a good take but have you thought about doing something like that maybe like with

00:38:34.580 tv or online or something yeah yeah we thought about doing it and then turns out we're lazy so

00:38:39.580 we didn't do it we did think about it which i think is an important step but yeah we are gonna

00:38:45.600 we are going to do some we were due to record a show at comedy unleashed before yeah before

00:38:52.780 coronavirus you know hit and we can't do that um but yeah i mean i think i think it might work

00:38:59.480 online you know if you did it on like a zoom thing i don't know i mean the really exciting

00:39:04.060 thing about uh about hating live is it's really transgressive so you know you get the improvised

00:39:09.760 topic and someone pulls something out like i don't know like little babies or whatever it is and then

00:39:14.680 You've got a hit, although you've got to say why paedophiles are brilliant.

00:39:18.360 Yeah.

00:39:18.660 And immediately you can see the crowd just go,

00:39:21.440 oh, this is something really exciting.

00:39:23.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:24.400 And it almost feels like a complete antidote to bland TV comedy

00:39:28.740 where you're just sitting there and go, I know what you're going to say.

00:39:30.980 I know how you're going to say it.

00:39:32.020 I know what the punchline is.

00:39:33.480 I can't believe they haven't put it on TV.

00:39:36.100 We're talking to BBC Studios about doing it.

00:39:38.820 We've been talking to other TV producers,

00:39:40.740 and it's such an obviously simple format

00:39:43.560 that just works

00:39:44.940 and you can do it

00:39:45.860 in a sort of

00:39:46.340 it almost works

00:39:47.140 as a sort of

00:39:47.540 more genteel show

00:39:48.580 than our sort of

00:39:49.180 late night

00:39:49.700 rowdy live show

00:39:50.680 we've done it

00:39:51.760 in bingo clubs

00:39:52.620 and you know

00:39:53.000 all sorts of venues

00:39:53.840 where you've got to like

00:39:54.540 you know

00:39:54.740 scale it down a little bit

00:39:55.900 it works as a sort of

00:39:57.140 you know

00:39:57.360 more Radio 4 type show

00:39:58.680 as well

00:39:58.980 but it's just so much fun

00:40:00.200 and there's just

00:40:00.900 that tension in the air

00:40:02.160 and then the release

00:40:02.960 when the comedian

00:40:03.640 because obviously

00:40:04.260 the comedian

00:40:04.620 you know

00:40:04.840 they've got to hate

00:40:05.760 on something

00:40:06.300 or they've got to say 0.65

00:40:07.120 why they love pedophiles 0.71

00:40:07.960 nobody's going to come out 0.96

00:40:08.880 and be like

00:40:09.380 you know

00:40:09.680 I really love

00:40:11.460 booming kids

00:40:12.080 you know

00:40:12.420 nobody's gonna

00:40:12.900 somebody will do it

00:40:14.120 on the internet

00:40:14.660 on the internet

00:40:15.880 on the YouTube

00:40:16.900 coming down

00:40:17.520 I'm paying

00:40:18.040 for children too

00:40:19.200 actually there's been

00:40:19.840 a few comedians

00:40:20.520 like the Russ guy

00:40:21.620 there's been a few

00:40:23.080 that could 0.68

00:40:23.460 there's that one

00:40:24.380 caught by the 0.85

00:40:24.940 pedo hunters

00:40:26.040 in the Midlands

00:40:26.820 I can't remember

00:40:27.420 what his name was

00:40:28.200 but oh man

00:40:28.760 it was brilliant

00:40:29.660 I love it when

00:40:30.620 I love it when

00:40:31.140 comedians get caught

00:40:32.000 by pedo hunters

00:40:32.660 it's the best 0.81

00:40:33.440 nothing's more

00:40:34.660 entertaining than

00:40:35.400 seeing a colleague

00:40:36.160 caught by pedo hunters

00:40:37.420 oh my god

00:40:38.180 he's like

00:40:38.480 cancel

00:40:39.540 cancel everything

00:40:40.300 this weekend

00:40:40.840 I am standing

00:40:41.600 I'm watching this

00:40:42.360 I've got

00:40:43.760 my favourite

00:40:44.520 are the woke comedians

00:40:46.020 who praise

00:40:46.460 International Women's Day

00:40:47.620 when you know

00:40:48.520 about their dating history

00:40:49.640 and their reputation

00:40:50.400 with women

00:40:50.860 yeah yeah yeah

00:40:52.240 well remember

00:40:53.060 Chris Coltrane

00:40:54.180 he was all like

00:40:54.760 hey guys

00:40:55.760 hey guys

00:40:56.380 I'm a feminist 0.92

00:40:57.040 and all that sort of stuff

00:40:57.960 and it turns out

00:40:58.580 he's sexually assaulting women 0.54

00:40:59.880 he ran a comedy night 0.98

00:41:01.260 just

00:41:01.620 allegedly

00:41:03.340 allegedly

00:41:04.380 Leo

00:41:05.200 we had some run-ins

00:41:06.380 with

00:41:06.720 defamation

00:41:09.100 and libel

00:41:10.400 recently

00:41:11.100 so

00:41:11.460 we have to say that we have no actual evidence

00:41:14.160 that Chris Coltrane

00:41:15.120 assaulted women.

00:41:17.220 Except the woman who called him out on Twitter

00:41:19.740 saying that he'd assaulted her.

00:41:21.880 He immediately left

00:41:24.040 comedy and closed down his Twitter account

00:41:25.980 his website and social media.

00:41:27.800 Could be a coincidence.

00:41:28.740 Even Michael Jackson held on in there.

00:41:32.500 Yeah but Michael Jackson was good

00:41:34.040 at music mate.

00:41:36.800 He's saying Chris Coltrane

00:41:38.020 wasn't the same level

00:41:39.240 But it is like an iron rule, isn't it?

00:41:42.340 Like if someone goes on

00:41:43.360 about how much of a male feminist they are, 1.00

00:41:45.300 they've been nefarious behind the scenes.

00:41:47.940 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:48.640 And I think it's like when Aziz Ansari,

00:41:51.820 when he got in trouble for basically,

00:41:55.020 you know, he went on a date with this lassie 1.00

00:41:56.960 and he got his cock out 1.00

00:41:59.680 and, you know, was trying to like, 1.00

00:42:00.920 he just really started treating her

00:42:02.560 like a piece of meat 1.00

00:42:03.340 and like trying to fuck her, 1.00

00:42:04.760 but with no charm, you know, 1.00

00:42:06.080 no finesse, no seduction.

00:42:07.360 not the Leo curse

00:42:09.340 why is he

00:42:09.980 didn't even buy her

00:42:11.580 a bottle of Buck Fox

00:42:12.560 but the thing is

00:42:15.500 I mean

00:42:15.660 if you heard somebody

00:42:16.800 if you heard

00:42:17.280 you know somebody

00:42:17.940 from Motley Crue

00:42:18.640 doing that

00:42:19.120 you'd be like

00:42:19.480 yeah what

00:42:20.000 you know what I mean

00:42:20.720 like yeah Motley Crue

00:42:21.700 of course he's going 1.00

00:42:22.680 to get his dick out 1.00

00:42:23.420 but Chris 1.00

00:42:24.240 because Aziz Ansari

00:42:25.220 had been like

00:42:25.640 oh yeah I'm a feminist 1.00

00:42:26.560 and even written books

00:42:27.780 about how to date

00:42:28.680 and how to respect women

00:42:29.700 like

00:42:30.520 it was worse

00:42:31.840 much worse

00:42:32.540 coming from him

00:42:33.200 I think that's

00:42:33.900 we need to bring back

00:42:34.900 you know

00:42:35.220 good old fashioned

00:42:35.900 honest misogyny

00:42:36.900 he shouldn't feel the need to do these books

00:42:39.660 on feminism and stuff 1.00

00:42:40.960 you don't come out and admit 1.00

00:42:42.140 I see women as objects and I'm going to put my dick in them 1.00

00:42:45.420 I can respect that 1.00

00:42:46.960 and then at least women know 1.00

00:42:48.920 women know when they go on a date with them 1.00

00:42:50.620 he's going to get his cock out 1.00

00:42:51.760 there's a woman in the room 1.00

00:42:55.280 who's laughing at it right now

00:42:56.620 but it's transparent advertising

00:42:59.060 you've just got to be honest about what you are

00:43:01.640 yeah none of this

00:43:02.820 trade descriptions act 1.00

00:43:04.620 oh I'm a feminist, here's my cock 1.00

00:43:06.500 do you know 1.00

00:43:15.260 we do

00:43:15.700 on these interviews

00:43:17.460 we also got

00:43:18.440 a thing called

00:43:19.040 trigger clips

00:43:19.680 where we clip

00:43:20.360 little bits of the interview

00:43:21.540 and put it on

00:43:23.780 without any context

00:43:24.600 I'm going to put that

00:43:25.220 up there mate

00:43:25.940 that's going to be

00:43:30.200 the title as well

00:43:31.060 but it is

00:43:32.940 we laugh about it

00:43:35.280 but it's also

00:43:35.920 How enraging, isn't it? 0.99

00:43:36.900 The utter rank hypocrisy of these people. 0.99

00:43:39.900 Yeah. 0.99

00:43:40.460 And then because the general public takes them at face value

00:43:43.180 and they go, like, we all know the one particular comedian

00:43:45.640 where he goes, he's such a nice guy.

00:43:47.660 And you're like, no, he's not.

00:43:49.240 Who's that?

00:43:51.060 I'm not going to say.

00:43:52.880 We'll say afterwards, there's so many of them.

00:43:55.260 There's so many of them.

00:43:56.660 But he's very woke.

00:43:57.600 Well, I mean, that's the rule in comedy. 0.99

00:43:59.440 If somebody's a nice person on stage, they're a cunt off stage. 0.99

00:44:02.840 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:44:03.200 Whereas Darius, total dick on stage, 0.99

00:44:05.560 like nicest guy in the world off stage. 0.99

00:44:07.260 Wouldn't go that far.

00:44:09.060 That's pushing it a little bit.

00:44:10.860 That's pushing a little bit.

00:44:12.120 But, you know, it's interesting.

00:44:13.400 I always find it interesting

00:44:14.180 just having chats with comedians

00:44:15.680 because I think like obviously comedians 0.99

00:44:17.540 don't have a fucking idea 0.99

00:44:18.420 of what we're talking about to some extent. 0.99

00:44:19.760 But on the other hand,

00:44:20.840 there's also a level of sensitivity to the culture

00:44:23.320 because like you say,

00:44:24.760 the audience is always giving you feedback

00:44:26.560 about like what's acceptable, what's not.

00:44:29.300 So what do you kind of see

00:44:30.760 in terms of the cultural moment that we're in?

00:44:32.900 like are we going to become more woke or more worried about like offending people or is there

00:44:37.980 going to be like a massive backlash against that where you're going to see people maybe going back

00:44:42.520 to doing like really outrageous stuff that's maybe actually too far like how do you see the the moment

00:44:47.720 that we're in well they've been pushing woke comedy for quite a while now and some of it's

00:44:52.360 taken off and become popular like hannah gadsby for example um but the comedians that are still

00:44:59.200 making the big bucks, like Ricky Gervais, Dave Chappelle, Bill Burr,

00:45:03.620 the ones that are proper, can fill arenas

00:45:06.580 and make loads of money with their Netflix specials,

00:45:09.860 they're not woke.

00:45:10.960 So, I mean, it's almost like a fashion that's making a lot of noise,

00:45:15.460 but I feel like we're at the tail end of it.

00:45:19.160 It's like Britpop when menswear came out 0.63

00:45:21.520 and there was a big bidding for menswear,

00:45:23.360 but then it all fell down in a pack of cards.

00:45:26.180 I think we're going to see a return.

00:45:27.640 I mean, anti-woke comedy never went away.

00:45:30.200 It was always there.

00:45:30.920 Like Dave Chappelle, you know, all these people, they're not woke.

00:45:34.960 I think the reason that it's felt like that to us to a large extent

00:45:39.260 is that people like Chappelle, Gervais, et cetera, they're independent.

00:45:43.020 They can do whatever they want.

00:45:44.120 They're not cancellable.

00:45:45.120 Whereas for us, it's much more a case of like, well,

00:45:48.620 if you say the wrong thing or, you know, people look at your Facebook

00:45:53.020 and you said something you didn't like,

00:45:54.420 then you're not going to get booked for clubs and that's your livelihood.

00:45:56.800 it. So it feels very different. So I think

00:45:58.760 that's where a lot of discrepancy comes

00:46:00.840 in is if you want

00:46:02.840 non-woke comedy, you can go and buy

00:46:04.820 a ticket for £50 or £100 and see

00:46:06.600 the Bill Burr's, the Ricky Gervais's.

00:46:08.820 But if you go to a comedy

00:46:10.800 club, I mean it's all woke

00:46:12.720 to a very large extent. There's a few exceptions

00:46:14.620 but generally. I think in London

00:46:16.360 maybe it's woke. But

00:46:18.220 in the bigger clubs, I wouldn't say it is woke.

00:46:20.600 I think it's much more like Bill Burr

00:46:22.640 or Chappelle or

00:46:24.100 somebody like that. The bigger clubs

00:46:26.720 they want people

00:46:27.640 coming in

00:46:28.440 spending money

00:46:29.100 having a good time

00:46:29.780 going away

00:46:30.300 and coming back

00:46:31.140 so they put on

00:46:32.220 good people

00:46:32.780 instead of woke people

00:46:33.740 I'm not saying

00:46:34.400 there aren't good

00:46:34.820 woke comedians

00:46:35.540 but I just can't

00:46:37.040 think of any right now

00:46:37.900 oh Leo

00:46:42.220 so we've

00:46:43.800 I'm wondering

00:46:44.580 how many bits

00:46:45.200 of this episode

00:46:45.840 were actually

00:46:46.460 going to have to come

00:46:47.840 none

00:46:48.640 none

00:46:49.200 because we said

00:46:51.100 allegedly

00:46:51.560 yeah that's true

00:46:52.620 you can always

00:46:53.220 beep out

00:46:53.640 Chris Coltrane's name

00:46:54.860 yeah

00:46:55.500 twice

00:46:56.900 twice

00:46:57.480 and Russell Brands

00:46:59.780 we're definitely

00:47:02.340 going to have to

00:47:03.080 yeah

00:47:03.280 we were

00:47:03.940 we were going to be sued

00:47:05.100 by a very prestigious

00:47:06.260 lesbian magazine

00:47:07.180 so

00:47:07.640 lesbian magazine 0.93

00:47:09.020 for men

00:47:09.500 yeah

00:47:09.780 Graham Linhan

00:47:10.780 when we had him

00:47:11.360 on the show

00:47:11.780 said that Diva magazine

00:47:12.980 was a lesbian magazine 1.00

00:47:14.300 for men

00:47:14.800 yeah

00:47:15.220 whereas it's a lesbian 1.00

00:47:16.380 magazine for trans people

00:47:17.940 yeah

00:47:18.420 ah right

00:47:20.200 so he was being

00:47:20.860 transphobic

00:47:21.460 saying like 0.91

00:47:22.080 transgender people

00:47:23.220 are men

00:47:23.620 but he was joking

00:47:24.300 and all of us laughed

00:47:25.440 obviously because transphobia is funny but but but what he said was a joke and then they pretended

00:47:32.840 that it was meant literally and threatened to sue us yeah yeah so from that moment on we try not to

00:47:38.000 say things that are true yeah i'm surprised like graham lenehan all these people like are sort of

00:47:43.940 using their voices to sort of kick transgender people you know i mean because they're the most 1.00

00:47:47.540 you know like they're the most sort of vilified is the only sector of society apart from like 0.98

00:47:52.300 white working class people that it's okay to openly sort of be shitty to like it's still it's 1.00

00:47:58.620 still a big problem so that's not very funny but like so you're not a fan of the of the of the g

00:48:04.180 lina i just i don't i don't know why i don't know why he's doing it i don't get it well i don't i

00:48:08.420 don't get why he's doing why he's got a like a bee in his bonnet for transgender people i mean i

00:48:12.300 totally get you know there's it's a difficult issue in certain ways that like you know there's

00:48:18.600 there's changes that could be exploited nefariously.

00:48:23.360 Like, you know...

00:48:25.940 Well, it's an issue of women's rights, Leo, is the argument. 1.00

00:48:28.480 Yeah, exactly.

00:48:29.040 You can't just have a guy being able to put on a frock

00:48:30.800 and go into women's spaces. 1.00

00:48:32.780 But then on the other hand, like Danny, the last day I dated,

00:48:34.900 like, absolutely stunning, totally looks like a woman.

00:48:37.680 If she was in the men's toilets, people would be like, 1.00

00:48:40.220 what the fuck are you doing in here? 1.00

00:48:41.240 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:48:42.160 And so, I mean, where does Graham Lennon draw the line?

00:48:46.220 Does he have a hotness rule?

00:48:47.300 Leo clearly does

00:48:49.660 of course he does

00:48:51.800 he's problematic

00:48:52.700 that conversation is one where there's a lot of

00:48:55.660 militancy on both sides

00:48:56.860 and we've had people on from all sides to talk about

00:48:59.860 I think there's people who think

00:49:01.700 who feel very strongly that it's about

00:49:03.600 protecting women

00:49:04.380 and there's people who feel very strongly that it's about

00:49:07.620 preventing discrimination against trans people

00:49:09.540 which we all support, we're joking about it

00:49:11.460 but of course we do

00:49:12.180 so I guess it's about finding middle ground

00:49:15.400 and we don't seem to be in a time

00:49:16.780 where anyone wants to find middle ground on any issue.

00:49:19.000 Yeah, and it's such a nuanced issue

00:49:20.660 and it's almost a sort of case-by-case basis.

00:49:24.380 But yeah, I mean, hopefully the government's, you know,

00:49:26.920 bringing through legislation that's going to, you know, deal with it.

00:49:30.180 And then we don't even...

00:49:30.820 Look at the twinkle in his eye.

00:49:33.540 He knows it's not going to happen.

00:49:35.360 But I actually think a lot of the pushback

00:49:38.000 against some of the excesses of the trans lobby

00:49:41.300 has now resulted in the fact that the legislation you're talking about,

00:49:44.420 which is the gender recognition act they've taken out a lot of the stuff that was just like what 0.86

00:49:49.500 you're talking about right i'm a woman right yeah that's gone now self-id that's gone right that was

00:49:55.320 the stuff that people were pushing back against but i think for some people like everybody has 0.67

00:50:01.180 an issue where they're like this is the thing and i'm gonna tweet about it every fucking day and 0.95

00:50:05.580 this is my thing you know and i think people can get stuck in that militancy a little bit yeah i

00:50:10.600 think it's probably a social media thing more than anything oh man social media is just not

00:50:14.880 helping right now i mean when there's the rodney king riots you know at least there were social

00:50:19.940 media wasn't amplifying the the worst voices on each side you know like and you know you're just

00:50:25.560 hearing from neo-nazis and from you know militant anti antifa people um and they're you know people

00:50:31.600 pick the extremes to show you know they're the they're the voices that get shown you know so

00:50:35.920 somebody can grab the antifa voice and say like look this is what the this is what this side are

00:50:40.260 and somebody can grab

00:50:41.100 the neo-Nazi voice

00:50:42.120 and be like

00:50:42.500 this is what these people are like

00:50:43.860 when they're just

00:50:45.000 the very narrow slivers

00:50:46.640 on the extreme ends

00:50:47.680 of the dicks 0.98

00:50:48.700 yeah 0.97

00:50:49.280 Konstantin is doing very well

00:50:50.740 on social media

00:50:51.600 big fan of Antifa

00:50:53.700 so I don't understand

00:50:55.420 social media

00:50:56.140 I've got

00:50:56.940 so I've got about

00:50:57.900 what 4,000 followers

00:50:59.080 on Instagram

00:50:59.600 I was looking

00:51:00.520 there's a chicken

00:51:01.740 that doesn't have any feathers 0.87

00:51:02.680 there's chicken

00:51:03.740 that doesn't have any feathers 0.87

00:51:04.600 just running about

00:51:05.560 looking like a mad

00:51:06.880 chicken with no feathers

00:51:08.280 it's got like

00:51:08.940 60,000 followers

00:51:10.100 like a chicken with no feathers

00:51:13.220 so you're less than 10% of a chicken

00:51:15.900 what have I got to do

00:51:16.820 what have I got to do, you like this chicken that doesn't have feathers

00:51:20.160 you don't like me

00:51:21.000 and do you think audiences have become

00:51:24.020 more censorious Leo or do you just think

00:51:26.060 it's an emboldened minority

00:51:27.380 well they certainly seem to like chickens that don't have

00:51:30.060 any feathers

00:51:30.580 no I don't think audiences, I mean certainly

00:51:33.760 some audiences, I mean

00:51:35.160 I've had people in audiences that

00:51:37.380 do you get walkouts at your shows

00:51:40.080 oh yeah i got walkouts uh i get walkouts i get walk-ins um walk-ups uh you know i've had to

00:51:46.260 jump off stage and throw people out of shows and stuff and because when you do the free fringe in

00:51:51.040 Edinburgh you don't have security or anything so you've got to do it yourself but you're well

00:51:55.820 suited for that role but actually i mean to be fair like walking out of a comedy show you know 0.95

00:52:00.180 they couldn't just be walking out because it's shit no the i mean the worst thing about worst 0.99

00:52:04.320 thing is when they stay and like just you know like stay and try and like you know fuck with 0.99

00:52:09.400 a show i hate that i hate that i had one of those in edinburgh last year um but yeah i guess what

00:52:14.860 i'm saying you know just talking about audiences is like i think people you know people have a

00:52:19.100 right not to like a show and walk out that's not that's not censorship you know yeah as long as

00:52:23.000 you get the money no problem at all with people not liking the show comedy is very subjective

00:52:29.020 but then like i don't know why people come to a show that's like you know called right-wing

00:52:33.360 comedian they're like wait a minute this is this comedian saying he's right wing oh my god he wants

00:52:37.720 lower taxes and smaller government, oh my god

00:52:39.780 this guy's Hitler, you know, why do people 0.94

00:52:41.840 do that, like, you know, read the thing

00:52:43.660 I went to see, last time I went to see Jerry Sadowitz 0.90

00:52:45.660 fucking loads of people walked out 0.91

00:52:47.620 and it's like, what did you think you were 0.99

00:52:49.760 paying £25 to see

00:52:51.780 do you think people enjoy that

00:52:53.660 working out, that they get some kind of superiority

00:52:55.700 out of it, they get to have that performative

00:52:57.580 moment where they, you know, make their voice

00:52:59.380 make their feelings shown, their

00:53:01.600 opinions shown, man they've got social media for that

00:53:03.620 you can go and tweet their disgust, it's like

00:53:05.580 you know, you get people following you on social media

00:53:07.600 just to hate you. 0.78

00:53:08.720 I get people following me 0.95

00:53:09.520 on social media

00:53:10.100 and then they like

00:53:11.000 comment under my tweets

00:53:11.900 saying this is disgusting

00:53:12.600 and stuff

00:53:13.000 and I'm like

00:53:13.320 well thanks for engaging

00:53:14.220 with it you know

00:53:14.840 and they're like

00:53:15.740 actually we're ratioing you

00:53:17.220 so you've got more like

00:53:18.840 comments than likes

00:53:20.120 or whatever

00:53:20.460 and it's like 0.99

00:53:20.780 I don't give a fuck 0.99

00:53:21.560 you know what I mean 0.98

00:53:22.040 I'm not getting paid 1.00

00:53:23.500 for this shit. 1.00

00:53:25.060 And you talk about 1.00

00:53:26.240 being a right wing comedian

00:53:27.300 is that more of like

00:53:28.220 a marketing thing for you

00:53:29.460 or is it really

00:53:30.220 very much like

00:53:31.040 that's who you are

00:53:32.100 that's who you've always been

00:53:33.040 like

00:53:33.320 I'm not saying

00:53:34.820 you're being fake

00:53:35.360 or anything

00:53:35.640 I guess I'm just saying

00:53:36.460 like

00:53:36.700 did you feel like you had to lean into that persona a little bit more to stand out so you

00:53:40.960 think i'm being fake definitely definitely mate i think i mean you know part of it's marketing part

00:53:46.280 of it's given a show getting a show idea that you can then write funny stuff because i find like

00:53:51.240 writing funny stuff all these like you know bbc writing rooms where they're like hey what's the 0.97

00:53:54.480 angle we can take donald trump's an idiot you know what i mean that's not funny donald trump's 1.00

00:53:58.880 also it's not fucking true man this guy's got like what 4.4 billion dollars he's got like big 1.00

00:54:03.980 skyscrapers with his name on them you know he bangs porn stars this guy's not an idiot this guy's the 0.99

00:54:08.260 fucking dream you know what i mean fucking legend legend like yeah and then there's these comedians 1.00

00:54:13.400 saying he's an idiot you know he's a bad businessman no he's a great businessman i tell you what a bad 1.00

00:54:18.060 businessman would do like become a comedian put on a show at the end where a fringe lose loads of 1.00

00:54:22.380 money that's like you know i don't know i just find there's more opportunity for humor uh you

00:54:28.180 know being being right wing and playing devil's advocate that way and you know from a realistic

00:54:32.540 point of view, I worked in policing and I worked in government for a long time. And I just saw how

00:54:36.620 nepotistic and corrupt everything is. And I just believe in smaller government and fewer resources

00:54:42.700 flowing into the government. I mean, the whole idea of socialism is that some apparatchik behind

00:54:47.220 a desk can spend your money better than you can. You know what I mean? And I support it for things

00:54:52.360 like the health system, like nationalised healthcare is just better, is more efficient.

00:54:56.720 You get a better service and it shouldn't be something that's done for profit. But for other

00:55:01.200 things like councils you know are just expanding the roles way and way out of you know what they

00:55:05.560 should just you know keep the streets clean and you know collect the bins that's all they need to

00:55:09.580 do schools and stuff don't need to do anything else spoken like a true nazi well thanks for 0.76

00:55:16.720 coming on leo thank you you've got nothing to plug i imagine at this point no you can follow

00:55:21.200 me on youtube like leo curse i've got like 5 000 followers on youtube now yeah make sure we'll put

00:55:26.240 the link to the channel all right put the link in so people can follow you very funny guy and leo

00:55:30.780 the last question

00:55:31.400 we always ask is

00:55:32.060 what is the one thing

00:55:32.940 that we aren't talking about

00:55:34.280 that we should be talking about

00:55:35.320 I wrote something down

00:55:36.960 oh right

00:55:37.400 it better be good

00:55:38.020 I've forgotten

00:55:38.460 well I've forgotten what it was

00:55:39.520 oh yeah

00:55:40.580 let's keep that in

00:55:42.740 we've already

00:55:43.300 we've already

00:55:43.840 we've already mentioned it

00:55:44.880 yeah dealing with

00:55:45.900 well I didn't know

00:55:46.580 I was going to have to answer a question

00:55:47.680 I didn't know there was going to be

00:55:48.880 at least like turn up

00:55:49.560 we did actually tell him

00:55:50.680 we got an exam

00:55:51.760 we got an exam at school

00:55:52.860 you turn up

00:55:53.340 they're like

00:55:53.580 oh we got an exam

00:55:54.180 I haven't revised

00:55:54.880 you know

00:55:55.160 because interviews

00:55:56.200 don't normally have questions

00:55:57.340 nobody's

00:55:58.520 Yeah, nobody's talking about it. I mean, I think that I think a big problem going forward is going to be the sort of the white British feeling of culture and values and, you know, heritage being under attack and war memorials be faced, TV shows getting taken up.

00:56:15.500 And, you know, I understand those things weren't done for that reason.

00:56:20.040 But I think, you know, that feeling of white British culture being under attack is going to fuel the rise of the far right.

00:56:28.800 So it needs to be dealt with.

00:56:30.380 You know, they need to be brought into the conversation and just made not to feel pariahs, not to feel outcasts.

00:56:36.560 Well, maybe we should stop attacking white British culture.

00:56:38.700 That would be a good start, wouldn't it?

00:56:39.620 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:40.680 That'd be like a simple fix to that issue, wouldn't it?

00:56:42.680 Yeah, no defacing war memorials.

00:56:44.720 If there's grooming gangs, then deal with them quickly and effectively.

00:56:48.440 Sounds pretty radical, man.

00:56:50.440 Extremely radical.

00:56:51.180 All the things to deal with that are pretty nice things to do.

00:56:54.620 I can't see it happening anytime soon.

00:56:57.020 I'm going to be honest, mate.

00:56:58.380 What do you think will be the response?

00:57:01.140 From what?

00:57:01.740 From the government, from society to that issue.

00:57:04.800 To that issue?

00:57:06.000 I mean, I'm not sure, to be honest.

00:57:08.080 I'd love to see how things settle.

00:57:09.480 But, I mean, given what happened on Saturday,

00:57:12.720 where I was shocked

00:57:14.120 by the

00:57:15.220 you know

00:57:15.680 neo-Nazi salutes

00:57:16.580 and stuff

00:57:16.960 that was really

00:57:17.680 like shocking to me

00:57:18.680 and really

00:57:18.980 abhorrent

00:57:20.120 and I was like

00:57:20.560 I felt really sick

00:57:21.600 like

00:57:22.040 much worse than

00:57:23.480 you know

00:57:23.680 I saw the

00:57:24.080 he's got all his

00:57:24.760 talking points

00:57:25.720 I felt sick in my stomach

00:57:27.780 no I did

00:57:28.240 I felt sick

00:57:29.360 you're just upset

00:57:29.800 that you saw your audience

00:57:30.900 out of my mouth

00:57:31.680 exactly

00:57:32.220 well that's the thing

00:57:32.900 because sometimes

00:57:33.400 you know

00:57:33.640 you post a video

00:57:34.520 on YouTube

00:57:34.980 and somebody posts

00:57:36.060 and they'll be like

00:57:36.660 we need to get this

00:57:37.480 and you're like

00:57:37.900 no no no

00:57:38.800 that's no

00:57:39.420 no no

00:57:40.000 I just want

00:57:41.380 smaller government

00:57:42.180 Well, on that happy note, Leo, thanks for coming on, mate.

00:57:47.500 Cheers. Thanks for having me.

00:57:48.600 It's good to see you.

00:57:49.400 Make sure you go follow Leo.

00:57:50.540 He's very, very funny, and he likes to rub the right people the wrong way. 0.98

00:57:54.180 I thought he was going to say penises. 0.99

00:57:57.480 That's transphobic. 0.99

00:57:58.840 He likes to rub the right people the wrong way.

00:58:03.520 Consensually. 0.99

00:58:04.100 I like to rub the wrong penises the right way. 1.00

00:58:06.460 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

00:58:07.720 Absolutely.

00:58:09.220 Especially his own.

00:58:10.100 now thank you very much for watching we'll see you very soon with another interview or live stream

00:58:15.100 take care absolutely and next time we'll make sure to do an intellectual one guys for those

00:58:20.000 tuning in thinking that it was going to be an intellectual one see you next week i could have

00:58:24.780 talked a bit police

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TRIGGERnometry - June 28, 2020

Leo Kearse - Right Wing Comedian

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