Leo Kearse - Right Wing Comedian
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Summary
In this episode of Trigonometry, we chat to comedian Leo Kirst about his time in Australia, the recent coronavirus lockdown and the current race tensions in the UK. We also discuss the recent murder of a young black man by the police, and the impact it has had on the way we see the world.
Transcript
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Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Konstantin Kissin.
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And this is the show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.
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Our brilliant guest today is a fantastic comedian, one of our favorites, Leo Kirst.
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Hello, Francis. Hello, Konstantin. Thanks for having me.
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You said that in the voice that's so different to the way we do something.
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Oh, yeah, you said that you were talking like newsreaders or something.
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It's like, you know, when your mum answers the phone
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Is that a posh voice? Is that what you're describing?
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Yeah, I was out there for like almost six months.
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So I got stuck over there because of coronavirus
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And I wish I'd stayed like the day after I left,
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it seems to be very, very serious right now, doesn't it?
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And I don't know if part of it's a response to coronavirus.
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Everybody's been just stuck in their houses for months on end
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I mean, I bet half of the people that were at the demonstrations
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were just looking for an excuse to get out of the house.
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um but yeah i mean and obviously i mean i watched the i watched the uh murder of uh george floyd and
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it's like i mean it's shocking it's real visceral sort of um so such a clear sort of symbol of of
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the sort of uh the the racism inherent in the in the police the systemic racism because not only
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is the guy killing him but he's doing it being filmed surrounded by police officers he knows
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he's not going to get into trouble so um so yeah that was i mean that was really shocking i think
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you know something that visceral that emotional is obviously going to you know people are going
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to rise up i mean thank fuck it's like you know it's actually making real change in in uh in
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policing and also across wider society so i mean i think in the uk we went through that with the
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stephen lawrence inquiry um in the 90s and so the you know the police took big steps to address
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systemic racism within you know institutional racism within the ranks and hopefully that's
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that's now happening in america but it's kind of it's kind of overdue sorry to be so serious
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you know what i mean but it is it is uh it's true and like you know i can totally see what
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i mean the one thing is um white woke people wasted no time at all like making it all about
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themselves and you know making things worse straight out there with i've seen them like
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i've seen them on facebook the stuff you see on social media i've seen white people
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The only way to renounce it is to do blackface.
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Man, none of those people are going to read those books.
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I've seen people posting photos of like 58 books
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they're not going to read those books like that's it's ridiculous it's like a it's like a thing that
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they're uh it's just um performative you know it's virtue signaling um and also a lot of these books
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i saw there's one uh there's one called it's called something ridiculous like how to talk
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to black people or something it's written by a white person and the whole thing is just sort of
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all this guidance that you've got to like go through when you're talking to a black person
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as if like the you know what white people need when they're talking to black people is more of
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At the moment, woke people are trying to make an enemy
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And I really think people need to be brought on board
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In psychology, there's a thing called psychological reactance.
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If somebody comes and shouts at you to tell you not to do something,
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Yeah. You know, it's a it's a it's a weird, you know, disincentive.
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So you see it with censorship. You know, if something's censored, then then people want to find it.
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They want to search out. They want to find it. They want to see it.
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And I think it's the same with with this. You know, if you shout at somebody and scream at somebody and call them names,
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you're not going to win them over to your side of the argument.
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We need to, like, make it easier for people to to be less racist, to make it, you know, a nice thing to do and not battering them over the head,
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but sort of recognising their point of view and bringing them with us.
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I mean, apart from the guys doing Nazi salutes,
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they can just be fed into a mincer, you know what I mean?
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He's going to get done for incitement to violence against Nazis now.
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So we'd like to publicly distance ourselves from anybody who wants to kill Nazis.
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And to the few people who have that persuasion,
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we realise you're not Nazis, you're nationalists.
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But actually, so basically what you're saying, Leo,
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is cancelling Little Britain isn't going to stop racism.
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that just plays into the hands of the far right
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I think there is this narrative in the far right
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So if you cancel all these much-loved TV shows,
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I mean, they're saying they're looking at cancelling
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And none of it's being done by people of colour.
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They're all like Oxbridge-educated white people.
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This is why we need more like BAME representation
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in the arts and executive positions in the media
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because they're not going to make stupid positions.
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They're not going to cancel only fools and horses
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as some sort of gesture to make themselves look good.
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If there's more like black executives in the BBC,
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I'm not sure if it's about BAME representations.
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It's probably more about working class representation.
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it's the same Oxbridge graduates just with a different skin colour,
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as opposed to actually getting genuine diversity in that.
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I mean, a lot of the people they get, like Nishkumar or whoever,
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There's amazing diversity of voices on the club circuit,
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It tends to be just that strata of Oxbridge-educated lefties.
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And it's like, don't slag me off, you know what I mean?
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He hasn't done eight years PhDs in gender studies and stuff.
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He's been learning to get really good at boxing.
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Nobody talks about these people who've done all these gender studies degrees
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If you focus on your opinions, you're going to get really good opinions.
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If you focus on boxing, you're going to get good at boxing.
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We're having a laugh about it, but the reality is that
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if you've got opinions which are not deemed to be the correct ones,
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you're not going to get as far as you probably should.
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So explain to people who might not know about Edinburgh,
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and why it's so important to get noticed and to progress.
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Yeah, I mean, it's a big sort of industry cattle market
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all the industry is there, then go and see the shows.
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and atone for sins that you may not have even committed.
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full of turnips somewhere and having a shit time.
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But yeah, you've got to apologize for all this stuff.
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And it's almost like they've repackaged Catholicism.
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This religious purity that you're never going to attain
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and read these books on racial justice, you know?
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they're going to capture most of the alphabet very soon
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and now it includes me, they've included me in that thing
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You can't have any mainstream opinions broadcast on a comedy stage.
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So, yeah, so I was doing the show Right One Comedian.
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They dug through my stuff, went through my Twitter,
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went all the way back to that afternoon and found something that I'd posted.
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And it was about the difference in transitioning between men and women.
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It was about male privilege because people talk about how there's male privilege.
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know that's why so many of us are transitioning right now and it is way harder for somebody like
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me to transition to being a woman than it is for a woman to transition to being a man like if i
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want to transition to being a woman it's a whole extensive thing a woman wants to transition to
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being a man basically she she stops shaving um and um you know grows a beard and people might be
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like you know i think that man's got tits you know like if i were uh if i want to transition
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to being a woman there's you know there's all these hormones surgery all the rest of i've got
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to go through and people got really offended that uh that material was transphobic it wasn't
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intended to be transphobic it was just looking at the differences and you know the experience
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between men and women and uh you know it's just a it's just a fact that the men who transition to
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women are pass uh less convincingly in society than women who transition to men because you get
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So, like, you know, women who transition to being a man will pass.
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But you tend not to get, you know, large masculine women.
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You know, the prominent brow bone and the jaw bone and all the rest of it.
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So women who transition, men who transition to women don't always pass as well.
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but people people said people aren't as uh people are you know aren't as well informed as me but
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think that they're woke uh accused that accused me of being transphobic and got me cancelled from
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my venue and my venue just pulled me straight away they just said you know this is an inclusive
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space you have to leave and yeah i was out and um yeah like uh what was what was the original
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question it's the third time he's asked that but what do you make of it because there's a lot of
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people in the world of comedy who like you know we've probably used the term woke lefties like
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20 times in the course of this interview they'd be like well yeah but it's never the funny comedians
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that are complaining about censorship and comedy like all this kind of thing like do you think
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maybe we go too far sometimes and we talk about all the censorship when actually we can all kind
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of do the stuff that we want to do is that i mean i think censorship is as it can be quite a subtle
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thing you know even just um even just the self-censorship that you feel most most censorship
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is invisible it's just put on you by yourself the artist censors out of fear so i mean if you're in
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a repressive regime then uh you know like iran or brunei or something then you're going to self-censor
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you're not going to mention the sultan or whatever it is i mean i did a gig in brunei last year
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and uh where comedy is illegal and you know obviously i wasn't allowed to mention the sultan
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you know if you question the the woke narrative then you know you get shouted down people you
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know and see it they say oh you're it's a dog whistle for for racism and stuff or you're
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apologizing for these uh for right-wing people or whatever and uh yeah that that can have as
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as much of an impact and also i mean there's there's a comedy club bookers who admit that
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they won't they won't book me i mean most comedy club bookers they're they want to make money they
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want everybody to have a good time uh they know i'm not spouting you know hateful stuff if you
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if you genuinely did hateful stuff on stage at a comedy night, it wouldn't work because
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you don't need to censor comedians. There's already a jury in front of us judging us constantly. And
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that's the audience. If they don't like it, if they think that we're being racist, sexist,
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homophobic, they're not going to laugh. You've got to agree or at least recognize the truth that
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something's coming from and find the person likable to be able to laugh at them. So censorship
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in comedy is a bit ridiculous because it's completely unnecessary given that we're constantly
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self-censoring and constantly in that feedback loop with an audience and it's interesting that
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you say that because you know there's a comedy night that we do all the time which is comedy
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unleashed yeah we all love and we have a really good time at and then every once in a while some
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really noble kind woke person pops up and says it's a racist gig yeah yeah and that's the kind
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of thing that affects you know now there's people saying that they want to distance themselves from
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comedy unleashed and uh you know the same comedians who perform perform there are like um are you know
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alt-right um which is they're just talking about me mate
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and yeah like uh that that's that censorship that that feeds into like people's self-censorship and
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that feeds into people's perceptions bookers perceptions people in the media's perceptions
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and cuts down avenues you know it's a subtle way of chipping away at somebody's somebody's
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freedoms i guess it's not really censorship in the sense that the government isn't coming in and
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stopping it maybe what we're really talking about is this fever pitch you know everyone's a nazi or
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everyone's a work lefty maybe we're doing it a little bit too like everybody's evil you know on
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both sides and therefore it feeds into this narrative that if you don't agree with somebody
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entirely then they must be evil yeah now i i would you know like um i've seen many of your shows or
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performances and clubs and whatever to be honest with you i think you don't have to be right-wing
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or even centrist to enjoy them i think it's just great comedy but i think what happens is if we
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keep being told that this is a night that only caters to right-wing people or whatever yeah
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then it creates this false perception yeah and so i think maybe it's not sensitive probably the
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wrong word you know what i mean like it's something yeah something else i mean censorship doesn't have
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to be this draconian sort of state-imposed absolutist thing i mean it can be the the just
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gentle suppression of ideas and people and and self-censorship is the i mean when we think of
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censorship we think of you know lenny bruce being arrested and all this kind of stuff
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most censorship is just self-censorship that you do according to to what you think is going to be
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um what you think is fashionable and what you think is acceptable and and what you think is
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on trend and what's gonna what's gonna be good for you and is there stuff that you've not done
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that you've written that you thought this is great and it's funny and it's not it's not hateful or
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anything like that but you've gone no i can't do that yeah yeah no absolutely i mean i was i was
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dating a nigerian lassie for a while and i did stuff about good stuff but you know i did i mean
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and it was a a cultural eye-opener for me there was there's you know cultural differences between
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us that really um i mean i didn't know about the weaves i didn't know about the weaves like i
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remember i was kissing her i was like what's these nobbles in your head and she's like it's it's my
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weave and i'm like what's a weave and she's like you don't know what a weave is i'm like no
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and she's like did you think this is my real hair
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so there's all that sort of culture clash stuff
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it was like four months ago whenever when we did comedy but i've always found that if you do stuff
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about race which is what you're talking about or anything like that it's in my experience and
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maybe i'm judging and maybe i'm wrong but my experience is always the middle class woke people
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who are white that don't like it yeah and it's usually the minorities who are laughing their
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heads off because so really what what i feel is it's not so much that people from those communities
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who are being offended on their behalf preventatively.
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I mean, woke, white people love to get offended
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that aren't, you know, they're not best placed to fix.
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if some woke white guy in a Black Lives Matter t-shirt
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well, wait a minute, we're going to park that for a moment
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I think woke white people always try and take offence
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on other people's behalf and also try and fix things
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Like even old episodes of Mock the Week with Frankie Boyle on them from 12 years ago.
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And you were absolutely just flabbergasted at what they got away with.
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He said something like, even as a comedian, we're like, oh, that's a bit near the knuckle.
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Everybody laughs and then they just move on to the next joke.
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Do you think we've become more censorious in comedy now?
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I mean, even Frankie Boyle himself, he made all his money doing these outrageous,
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hilarious jokes about completely unjustifiable things.
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anymore? Or do you think there's going to be a backlash?
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I think there's going to be a backlash. And I think
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space where we can be outrageous and provocative.
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the other one, Douglas. I mean, I try to watch it and I just
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So that's fine. They can love that. But that's not
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my kind of stuff. I want to watch, you know, Jerry Sadoway
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and stuff like that so people have got to recognize that just as i can't shut down hannah
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gadsby they shouldn't be able to shut down jerry sadowitz or bill burr or whoever i want to watch
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that that desire to shut it down why where do you think the counterculture is happening do you think
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it's something like comedy unleashed like night is it the internet or is it other things i think
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yeah it's across uh it's across a lot of things there's i mean comedy unleashed but also regular
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club nights uh you can really i think people think club comedy it's just jonglers it's a
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middle-aged guys doing dick jokes um which actually it is but like when people have paid
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when people have paid 15 pounds to go and see comedy um like they'll they'll really stay on
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board for you know you can explore some ideas political ideas social social cultural ideas
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and i think it's a good way of defusing tensions because there is there's i mean i know i mentioned
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it before but there is this sort of pervasive feeling amongst you know certain sections of
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white british society that white british culture is under attack and that's that's a that's a thing
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that's gonna that's a feeling that's gonna have to be acknowledged and dealt with anybody who
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voices anything about it at the moment is shouted down as a racist you know i mean actually i was
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arguing with somebody today uh like i said you know we should make the you know the guy the hero
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from the um riots who carried the black guy who carried out the the white guy uh possible fascist
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Nazi salutes or whatever before that but he carried him out
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who might be ideologically opposed to him, might hate him
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and somebody came straight in and they're all like
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It's like, well, he's been played by an Australian
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Idris Elba is more British than fucking George Lazenby.
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I mean, there's obviously deeper stuff as well, like the Rotherham grooming gangs and stuff like that, which were, you know, the report said that political correctness, you know, woke culture was part of those incidents being ignored and allowed to carry on over decades because people were scared of looking racist.
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So they allowed children to be abused rather than look racist by, you know, taking action to do it.
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And also, you know, it shows that class is still a huge, a huge injustice in our society, you know, because they're white working class.
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They're just ignored. There's no, you know, there's nobody advocating for them.
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They're seen as, you know, the lowest rung in society.
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And, you know, I think that's something that's got to be addressed as well.
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Again, because it's deemed unacceptable to punch down on certain people.
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But if you punch down on white working class people,
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I think the report got released, was it, last month?
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Again, because they're afraid of inflaming racial tensions.
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Yeah, but they're inflaming them more by not releasing it.
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Yeah, because it's kicking the can down the road and it's also fueling the fire of Tommy Robinson and all the sort of far-right people.
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So people really need to acknowledge it and deal with it before it becomes something that feeds into the far-right.
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I think this is where the cultural aspect and comedy as part of this needs to recognize its role in the sense that if you can only make fun of certain groups.
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and only these people can be the target of your jokes,
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then you're going to start to see a fight back there as well.
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we're going to be back to airplane food, aren't we?
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So, I mean, obviously with the lockdown as well,
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do you think we're going to come back this year?
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do you think it's going to be completely different,
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And I think, you know, it's great with the internet as well.
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I mean, my salary has been fairly sort of constant
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because there's only so many club gigs you can do.
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Occasionally you'll get like, you know, more than that.
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But, you know, you're generally sort of limited.
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You can only do like maximum, you know, one or two a night.
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I got so depressed, like, the first bit of lockdown.
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so I was, like, you know, doing so many shows a day.
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And then you get an occasional, like, Zoom gig or whatever.
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well, you reckon there's a light fit and it'll hold a rope?
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I think people, you know, they want to be in a live environment as well.
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But equally, I think a lot of people are scared too.
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Like Francis was saying, they've been terrified for three months to stay at home, don't, you know.
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Maybe the whole protest and the riots might open the riots a little bit.
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That was a turning point for me, man, because I followed every single thing to the letter.
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and there's like thousands of people in the street
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About how comedy is going to be after coronavirus.
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If I could organize stuff, I'd get a normal job.
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and you've got to be careful about what you say.
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Seriously, like eight years or something like that.
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and it's yeah it's really brilliant fun i was thinking whether you could you could do that
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online but then i remember some of the comments that even we get and i was like i'm not sure
00:38:30.340
that's gonna be a good take but have you thought about doing something like that maybe like with
00:38:34.580
tv or online or something yeah yeah we thought about doing it and then turns out we're lazy so
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we didn't do it we did think about it which i think is an important step but yeah we are gonna
00:38:45.600
we are going to do some we were due to record a show at comedy unleashed before yeah before
00:38:52.780
coronavirus you know hit and we can't do that um but yeah i mean i think i think it might work
00:38:59.480
online you know if you did it on like a zoom thing i don't know i mean the really exciting
00:39:04.060
thing about uh about hating live is it's really transgressive so you know you get the improvised
00:39:09.760
topic and someone pulls something out like i don't know like little babies or whatever it is and then
00:39:14.680
You've got a hit, although you've got to say why paedophiles are brilliant.
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And it almost feels like a complete antidote to bland TV comedy
00:39:28.740
where you're just sitting there and go, I know what you're going to say.
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I see women as objects and I'm going to put my dick in them
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you've just got to be honest about what you are
00:43:40.460
And then because the general public takes them at face value
00:43:43.180
and they go, like, we all know the one particular comedian
00:43:59.440
If somebody's a nice person on stage, they're a cunt off stage.
00:44:20.840
there's also a level of sensitivity to the culture
00:44:32.900
like are we going to become more woke or more worried about like offending people or is there
00:44:37.980
going to be like a massive backlash against that where you're going to see people maybe going back
00:44:42.520
to doing like really outrageous stuff that's maybe actually too far like how do you see the the moment
00:44:47.720
that we're in well they've been pushing woke comedy for quite a while now and some of it's
00:44:52.360
taken off and become popular like hannah gadsby for example um but the comedians that are still
00:44:59.200
making the big bucks, like Ricky Gervais, Dave Chappelle, Bill Burr,
00:45:06.580
and make loads of money with their Netflix specials,
00:45:10.960
So, I mean, it's almost like a fashion that's making a lot of noise,
00:45:30.920
Like Dave Chappelle, you know, all these people, they're not woke.
00:45:34.960
I think the reason that it's felt like that to us to a large extent
00:45:39.260
is that people like Chappelle, Gervais, et cetera, they're independent.
00:45:45.120
Whereas for us, it's much more a case of like, well,
00:45:48.620
if you say the wrong thing or, you know, people look at your Facebook
00:45:54.420
then you're not going to get booked for clubs and that's your livelihood.
00:46:12.720
to a very large extent. There's a few exceptions
00:46:18.220
in the bigger clubs, I wouldn't say it is woke.
00:47:25.440
obviously because transphobia is funny but but but what he said was a joke and then they pretended
00:47:32.840
that it was meant literally and threatened to sue us yeah yeah so from that moment on we try not to
00:47:38.000
say things that are true yeah i'm surprised like graham lenehan all these people like are sort of
00:47:43.940
using their voices to sort of kick transgender people you know i mean because they're the most
00:47:47.540
you know like they're the most sort of vilified is the only sector of society apart from like
00:47:52.300
white working class people that it's okay to openly sort of be shitty to like it's still it's
00:47:58.620
still a big problem so that's not very funny but like so you're not a fan of the of the of the g
00:48:04.180
lina i just i don't i don't know why i don't know why he's doing it i don't get it well i don't i
00:48:08.420
don't get why he's doing why he's got a like a bee in his bonnet for transgender people i mean i
00:48:12.300
totally get you know there's it's a difficult issue in certain ways that like you know there's
00:48:18.600
there's changes that could be exploited nefariously.
00:48:25.940
Well, it's an issue of women's rights, Leo, is the argument.
00:48:29.040
You can't just have a guy being able to put on a frock
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But then on the other hand, like Danny, the last day I dated,
00:48:34.900
like, absolutely stunning, totally looks like a woman.
00:48:37.680
If she was in the men's toilets, people would be like,
00:48:42.160
And so, I mean, where does Graham Lennon draw the line?
00:48:52.700
that conversation is one where there's a lot of
00:48:56.860
and we've had people on from all sides to talk about
00:49:04.380
and there's people who feel very strongly that it's about
00:49:16.780
where anyone wants to find middle ground on any issue.
00:49:24.380
But yeah, I mean, hopefully the government's, you know,
00:49:26.920
bringing through legislation that's going to, you know, deal with it.
00:49:38.000
against some of the excesses of the trans lobby
00:49:41.300
has now resulted in the fact that the legislation you're talking about,
00:49:44.420
which is the gender recognition act they've taken out a lot of the stuff that was just like what
00:49:49.500
you're talking about right i'm a woman right yeah that's gone now self-id that's gone right that was
00:49:55.320
the stuff that people were pushing back against but i think for some people like everybody has
00:50:01.180
an issue where they're like this is the thing and i'm gonna tweet about it every fucking day and
00:50:05.580
this is my thing you know and i think people can get stuck in that militancy a little bit yeah i
00:50:10.600
think it's probably a social media thing more than anything oh man social media is just not
00:50:14.880
helping right now i mean when there's the rodney king riots you know at least there were social
00:50:19.940
media wasn't amplifying the the worst voices on each side you know like and you know you're just
00:50:25.560
hearing from neo-nazis and from you know militant anti antifa people um and they're you know people
00:50:31.600
pick the extremes to show you know they're the they're the voices that get shown you know so
00:50:35.920
somebody can grab the antifa voice and say like look this is what the this is what this side are
00:51:16.820
what have I got to do, you like this chicken that doesn't have feathers
00:51:27.380
well they certainly seem to like chickens that don't have
00:51:40.080
oh yeah i got walkouts uh i get walkouts i get walk-ins um walk-ups uh you know i've had to
00:51:46.260
jump off stage and throw people out of shows and stuff and because when you do the free fringe in
00:51:51.040
Edinburgh you don't have security or anything so you've got to do it yourself but you're well
00:51:55.820
suited for that role but actually i mean to be fair like walking out of a comedy show you know
00:52:00.180
they couldn't just be walking out because it's shit no the i mean the worst thing about worst
00:52:04.320
thing is when they stay and like just you know like stay and try and like you know fuck with
00:52:09.400
a show i hate that i hate that i had one of those in edinburgh last year um but yeah i guess what
00:52:14.860
i'm saying you know just talking about audiences is like i think people you know people have a
00:52:19.100
right not to like a show and walk out that's not that's not censorship you know yeah as long as
00:52:23.000
you get the money no problem at all with people not liking the show comedy is very subjective
00:52:29.020
but then like i don't know why people come to a show that's like you know called right-wing
00:52:33.360
comedian they're like wait a minute this is this comedian saying he's right wing oh my god he wants
00:52:43.660
I went to see, last time I went to see Jerry Sadowitz
00:52:53.660
working out, that they get some kind of superiority
00:53:01.600
opinions shown, man they've got social media for that
00:53:05.580
you know, you get people following you on social media
00:53:36.700
did you feel like you had to lean into that persona a little bit more to stand out so you
00:53:40.960
think i'm being fake definitely definitely mate i think i mean you know part of it's marketing part
00:53:46.280
of it's given a show getting a show idea that you can then write funny stuff because i find like
00:53:51.240
writing funny stuff all these like you know bbc writing rooms where they're like hey what's the
00:53:54.480
angle we can take donald trump's an idiot you know what i mean that's not funny donald trump's
00:53:58.880
also it's not fucking true man this guy's got like what 4.4 billion dollars he's got like big
00:54:03.980
skyscrapers with his name on them you know he bangs porn stars this guy's not an idiot this guy's the
00:54:08.260
fucking dream you know what i mean fucking legend legend like yeah and then there's these comedians
00:54:13.400
saying he's an idiot you know he's a bad businessman no he's a great businessman i tell you what a bad
00:54:18.060
businessman would do like become a comedian put on a show at the end where a fringe lose loads of
00:54:22.380
money that's like you know i don't know i just find there's more opportunity for humor uh you
00:54:28.180
know being being right wing and playing devil's advocate that way and you know from a realistic
00:54:32.540
point of view, I worked in policing and I worked in government for a long time. And I just saw how
00:54:36.620
nepotistic and corrupt everything is. And I just believe in smaller government and fewer resources
00:54:42.700
flowing into the government. I mean, the whole idea of socialism is that some apparatchik behind
00:54:47.220
a desk can spend your money better than you can. You know what I mean? And I support it for things
00:54:52.360
like the health system, like nationalised healthcare is just better, is more efficient.
00:54:56.720
You get a better service and it shouldn't be something that's done for profit. But for other
00:55:01.200
things like councils you know are just expanding the roles way and way out of you know what they
00:55:05.560
should just you know keep the streets clean and you know collect the bins that's all they need to
00:55:09.580
do schools and stuff don't need to do anything else spoken like a true nazi well thanks for
00:55:16.720
coming on leo thank you you've got nothing to plug i imagine at this point no you can follow
00:55:21.200
me on youtube like leo curse i've got like 5 000 followers on youtube now yeah make sure we'll put
00:55:26.240
the link to the channel all right put the link in so people can follow you very funny guy and leo
00:55:58.520
Yeah, nobody's talking about it. I mean, I think that I think a big problem going forward is going to be the sort of the white British feeling of culture and values and, you know, heritage being under attack and war memorials be faced, TV shows getting taken up.
00:56:15.500
And, you know, I understand those things weren't done for that reason.
00:56:20.040
But I think, you know, that feeling of white British culture being under attack is going to fuel the rise of the far right.
00:56:30.380
You know, they need to be brought into the conversation and just made not to feel pariahs, not to feel outcasts.
00:56:36.560
Well, maybe we should stop attacking white British culture.
00:56:40.680
That'd be like a simple fix to that issue, wouldn't it?
00:56:44.720
If there's grooming gangs, then deal with them quickly and effectively.
00:56:51.180
All the things to deal with that are pretty nice things to do.
00:57:01.740
From the government, from society to that issue.
00:57:42.180
Well, on that happy note, Leo, thanks for coming on, mate.
00:57:50.540
He's very, very funny, and he likes to rub the right people the wrong way.
00:57:58.840
He likes to rub the right people the wrong way.
00:58:10.100
now thank you very much for watching we'll see you very soon with another interview or live stream
00:58:15.100
take care absolutely and next time we'll make sure to do an intellectual one guys for those
00:58:20.000
tuning in thinking that it was going to be an intellectual one see you next week i could have