TRIGGERnometry - Lily Phillips： Why I Slept With 101 Men in One Day

00:00:00.920 I don't think we've ever had as much pushback about an upcoming guest.

00:00:06.960 Why would having consensual sex with adults be controversial?

00:00:11.220 Really, Lily? Come on. Come on. 0.88

00:00:15.500 Like, this is our work and we recognise it's online.

00:00:18.380 And if we have a big argument with somebody, like, I'm not going to go, that's not controversial.

00:00:23.060 Why not monetise off of it? If I'm doing it in my free time and I'm enjoying it, it's safe, it's consensual, why not monetise off of it?

00:00:30.020 You're putting yourself at risk, my love. Do you not worry about that?

00:00:33.340 That's my choice, it's my body.

00:00:35.400 Do you believe in karma?

00:00:36.760 Yeah.

00:00:37.340 You can see where I'm going with this, right?

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00:01:11.340 Lily Phillips, welcome to Trigonometry.

00:01:13.060 Thank you for having me on.

00:01:14.340 You asked to come on and you're, it's not, I was going to say you're an unusual, you're definitely an unusual guest for us.

00:01:21.760 We have had a couple of people who do similar things to you on in the past, but I was just curious why you wanted to come and talk to us.

00:01:27.900 I mean, for me, obviously, great form of advertisement.

00:01:32.760 And I love the kind of conversations you guys have.

00:01:36.320 How do you mean?

00:01:37.360 Well, it's a bit different to my usual podcast where, you know, I'm usually getting like hammered.

00:01:41.820 I feel like you guys come up with strong counterpoints where you agree or disagree.

00:01:46.180 Yeah, I think that's true.

00:01:47.280 So another thing I was going to say before we kind of get into the conversation is I don't think we've ever had as much pushback from people about an upcoming guest.

00:01:58.360 Because people who are supporters of the show, they get notified of which guests are coming up.

00:02:03.760 They get a chance to ask them questions on our sub stack.

00:02:05.920 So we posted that yesterday.

00:02:08.460 And like, it seems like the whole internet has melted down over the fact that you're coming on.

00:02:12.620 So, and it was, I have to say, my experience is it's almost entirely women that are really upset about what you do and you coming on the show, et cetera. 1.00

00:02:25.140 Why do you think that is?

00:02:26.380 Oh, I just don't think they like what I do.

00:02:29.480 Yeah.

00:02:29.940 Why?

00:02:31.020 I guess, I mean, I don't really know because I don't understand it.

00:02:36.200 But people find me controversial or, I don't know, disgusting what I do.

00:02:40.860 And so they don't like the idea of you guys kind of promoting it.

00:02:45.660 We're not promoting it.

00:02:46.760 But I mean, indirectly.

00:02:49.720 Yes.

00:02:50.340 Well, we're talking to you, which I think is very different from promoting it because we don't have to agree with someone to talk to them.

00:02:56.560 And we do that often, very often when we talk to people.

00:02:59.840 But you mentioned as we were getting ready that you don't think what you do is controversial.

00:03:03.840 No.

00:03:04.260 You're well known for sleeping with 100 men and 101 men, to be factually, in one day.

00:03:10.720 You don't think that's controversial?

00:03:12.580 Why would having consensual sex with adults be controversial?

00:03:16.080 That's a very good reframe of what I'm saying.

00:03:19.740 But you're not just having sex with consenting adults. 0.71

00:03:22.700 You're having sex with 101 of them in order to get attention online.

00:03:27.260 That's, you can see why that might be controversial, surely.

00:03:29.960 Well, it's not exactly attention online.

00:03:32.480 You know, it's my work.

00:03:34.480 And also, I wanted to explore my kinks.

00:03:37.400 And so, that is why I did it.

00:03:40.140 And I personally don't think that is controversial or, you know, outrageous to do.

00:03:46.280 Really, Lily?

00:03:47.220 Come on.

00:03:48.560 Come on.

00:03:49.860 Come on.

00:03:50.820 Like, this is our work and we recognise it's online.

00:03:53.580 And if we have a big argument with somebody, like, I'm not going to go, that's not controversial.

00:03:57.940 Do you know what I mean?

00:03:58.140 I just don't think it is controversial. 0.53

00:04:00.540 What, like, doing porn, having sex, no.

00:04:03.740 Look, I would disagree with that, first of all. 0.95

00:04:07.720 It is controversial to have sex on camera.

00:04:10.420 It still is.

00:04:11.180 It's become less controversial with the rise of OnlyFans and camming and all the rest of it.

00:04:16.300 But to do 101, guys, you know it's controversial because otherwise, why would it get such a massive backlash?

00:04:25.160 You must have expected that.

00:04:26.580 I knew people would be, like, disgusted by it.

00:04:30.060 And that's why I knew it would be quite a big thing to do.

00:04:33.140 I mean, I didn't think it'd go as big as it did.

00:04:34.840 But, you know, I knew it'd do well because people would rather find it disgusting or they want to watch it.

00:04:40.560 Why do you think people find it disgusting?

00:04:43.880 I just think because you don't hear of many people doing it.

00:04:47.600 You know, I don't think your average woman is going through two guys a night, never mind 100.

00:04:52.920 Well, that's true.

00:04:53.660 But your average woman is not climbing Mount Everest either. 0.91

00:04:55.900 But that's not controversial or disgusting, right?

00:04:58.020 So why do you think they find it disgusting?

00:05:01.240 I think it's probably just the, yeah, the amount of guys.

00:05:05.480 Yeah.

00:05:06.060 Well, there's something about promiscuity, particularly for women, that tends to trigger that reaction, I suppose, right? 0.95

00:05:12.800 Yeah.

00:05:13.080 Well, I mean, people, it's drilled into them that, you know, they should get married, have very few sexual partners. 1.00

00:05:22.240 And if you don't, then, you know, you're vile, you're, I don't know, a slut, basically. 1.00

00:05:30.460 You know, I was talking to a good mate of both of us who is actually a porn star. 0.99

00:05:35.040 And she was actually saying that those types of extreme acts in porn tend to be done by performers who tend to be quite damaged.

00:05:46.080 And normally with those types of girls, it's actually a reflection of what's going on on the inside. 0.95

00:05:53.080 Would you agree with that normally?

00:05:54.480 I think that's such a common misconception is that, you know, I'm damaged in some kind of way or have some kind of trauma. 0.98

00:06:01.660 And I think it's because people just can't believe that a girl who has a good education, has a good family, you know, hasn't been through trauma, wants to have a lot of sex and wants to be a slut. 0.99

00:06:18.360 Like, and wants to do porn and stuff like that. 0.94

00:06:20.340 I think people just can't wrap their heads around it and people don't like to think that that could be true because they don't want it to happen to their daughter, you know.

00:06:28.520 But you say it's a lot of sex, but there's a difference between having a lot of sex and an extreme act, which is, let's be fair, what this is, Lily.

00:06:36.660 I mean, the thing is, I've always had these, I guess, if you want to call it extreme acts, like I've always, in university, before I did this for work, had a lot of sex with a lot of guys and girls, for that matter.

00:06:51.700 But the act of recording it, the act of putting it out there, the act of monetizing it, that makes it something very different, doesn't it?

00:07:00.880 I mean, for me, it was just an extension of what I was already doing.

00:07:05.140 I love being creative and why not monetize off of it?

00:07:09.360 If I'm doing it in my free time and I'm enjoying it, it's safe, it's consensual, why not monetize off of it?

00:07:14.120 It's kind of like the perfect scenario, doing what you love and making money from it.

00:07:18.520 It's interesting you say that because when you talk about it, I'm like, well, that's kind of, in some ways, that's what we do.

00:07:23.880 Like, I was arguing with people online long before we started speaking on the street, right?

00:07:29.240 So when you say that, it sort of makes sense.

00:07:31.500 But I think it's quite difficult for people to wrap their heads around what you do, actually.

00:07:37.160 And, you know, it's something I've been thinking about, knowing that we were going to interview, because I think a lot of people have that visceral reaction on the one hand.

00:07:44.820 On the other hand, I think it's also fair to say that women like you, women like the way you describe yourself, let's say like that, have always existed throughout history.

00:07:53.520 There have always been women who are not just hypersexual, but I think it's a trait called sociosexuality, which is about how many partners you're comfortable having.

00:08:02.620 And perhaps exhibitionist, is that fair to say?

00:08:05.280 Yeah, 100%. And just like attention whore, if you want to call me that, honestly. 0.97

00:08:09.120 Right. So I've heard you talk about the fact that you enjoy what you do. 0.97

00:08:14.900 Sorry to be so, like, I don't know why I'm apologizing to you.

00:08:19.020 This is the first time I've ever seen a member of the girls.

00:08:21.400 You can be as vulgar as you like, don't worry. 0.97

00:08:23.880 Well, I guess what I'm actually genuinely getting at is, like, when you say you enjoy doing it, do you mean that you orgasm when you're having sex with these guys? 0.98

00:08:31.500 I think I enjoy the act. I enjoy the performance. I love the fact that I'm getting other people off. 0.94

00:08:38.920 It's more than just, like, orgasming to me.

00:08:42.940 Mm-hmm. And one of the things you talked about as well is that, like, you've said that you would do, it's not about money for you, right?

00:08:53.760 So correct me if I'm wrong, but you, when you first started, you weren't doing anything as kind of out there as what you're doing now.

00:09:00.280 And you were still making 10, 12, 20 grand a month, right?

00:09:04.920 Yeah.

00:09:05.140 Now you're making more than that, but presumably you could probably still live a pretty good life on less than what you're making now.

00:09:11.700 So what is the, a lot of people will be wondering, like, why do you want to do this?

00:09:16.060 Is it the attention that you're really after?

00:09:17.960 I think it's the fact that I, I, I, I love porn and I wanted to take it to the next level.

00:09:25.680 You know, I wanted to explore things that I was already doing outside of filming anyway.

00:09:32.240 And for me, I also, the reason why I do these, like, kind of like, you guys want to call them extreme acts is, you know,

00:09:40.020 I want to kind of push the boundaries of porn and see new stuff, do stuff that people haven't done before.

00:09:44.560 And I want to be like a legend in the game. That is kind of, you know, where I want to take things.

00:09:50.000 Because?

00:09:51.240 Because that is what I aspire to be. I really look up to, you know, the women who have been in porn for, I don't know, 10, 20 years,

00:09:58.620 like Angela White and things like that. And, and they are, you know, legendary, really looked up to them.

00:10:03.500 So to you, this is like a profession that you, like Michael Jordan was the greatest basketball player of all time.

00:10:09.400 You want to be the greatest?

00:10:10.900 Yeah, yeah. Like I'm sure for Michael, Michael Jordan, did you just say?

00:10:14.400 I'm sure it wasn't about the money, because I bet when he, you know, got up to playing basketball full time that he was earning enough anyway.

00:10:22.200 Yeah.

00:10:22.700 So what, you know, why take things over and keep working harder is just to be a legend in the game.

00:10:28.560 I think the thing that people find very difficult, Lily, when we're having this discussion is you hear a number of ex-porn stars being interviewed.

00:10:35.500 And a lot of them will say, look, I got into porn because I came from a damaged background.

00:10:41.620 I was sexually abused by whoever it may have been from a very young age.

00:10:46.260 I really had no other options.

00:10:48.220 And I went into it.

00:10:50.140 When people hear your story, it sounds very incongruous.

00:10:54.220 It doesn't sound like you're telling the truth.

00:10:56.220 Yeah, I mean, I can show you photos from my childhood and things like that.

00:10:59.640 No, let's not do that.

00:11:02.420 But I understand that that is like widely put out in the media that a lot of girls have had, you know, a bad experience in the industry.

00:11:12.520 I think it is because it is that it's pushed out a lot on social media.

00:11:16.540 To be fair, Lily, if you look at a lot of porn stars, the suicide rates amongst them are incredibly high.

00:11:21.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:11:22.180 And I do believe a lot of people go into porn because they have to, you know, they need to pay for this, that, you know, they start working on the streets because they have to.

00:11:30.480 But very luckily, in my position, I really didn't.

00:11:32.940 And I think nowadays that is the same for a lot of other girls because of because back then when when you went into it, you know, you'd have a pimp, you'd you'd be kind of forced into doing stuff.

00:11:48.600 It's just a lot different from what we have now, where everything is done in your own terms and things like that.

00:11:54.460 You're in control.

00:11:54.960 Yeah.

00:11:55.200 So on that very subject, it's interesting thinking about it from that perspective, because you do have much more control than a porn star would have done 10, 15 years ago.

00:12:05.640 But are you safe?

00:12:07.500 Like when I watched the documentary, for example.

00:12:10.460 Right.

00:12:10.880 So you were alone in a room with 100 guys at a time, one at a time.

00:12:15.500 Like how are you in the position to say no if you wanted to stop at some point?

00:12:21.160 Yeah, I had security outside of the door and things like that.

00:12:25.200 So definitely.

00:12:27.420 And I guess the other thing that Frances was kind of bringing up there from from a safety perspective is a lot of I read a lot of articles from feminists about your case or you at the time that you went kind of very big. 1.00

00:12:41.640 One of the things that they were all saying is, like, it's not possible that she's consciously made this decision.

00:12:48.100 Like, she's just doing whatever the society has created, the environment in which she can profit from this, but she'll regret this later.

00:12:56.640 Do you worry that that might be the case?

00:12:58.940 Definitely not.

00:12:59.740 I've done this now for, well, I've done, obviously been in the industry now for five years.

00:13:03.800 And I think if I was starting to regret it, I'd start to regret it already.

00:13:08.660 And also, I've always kind of done stuff like this.

00:13:12.220 I've always been a little bit crazy.

00:13:13.980 So I think it's just in my nature.

00:13:17.460 Yeah.

00:13:18.120 Well, do you know what?

00:13:19.560 There's something else that you said that a lot of people were freaking out about, and I just thought, actually, it makes quite a lot of sense to me, which was like, you talked about how the likes and the attention online is more addictive than money or anything like that, right?

00:13:31.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:32.320 I know, like, doing what we do, basically anyone who has a content channel has to grapple with the reality that all of that stuff is very addictive.

00:13:43.800 And I know I have friends who, like, you're going for dinner and all they're doing is checking their phone every two minutes.

00:13:48.300 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:48.800 I mean, even my friends who have, you know, 2,000 followers on TikTok, if one of their TikTok does a little bit better, performs better than others, they're getting a bit of a rush out of it.

00:13:59.300 It's true.

00:13:59.920 I think it happens in mostly everyone's case on social media.

00:14:05.100 Lily, you talked in the documentary that you had quite a romantic ideal of sex.

00:14:11.180 And you wanted it to, you know, you had this maybe idealised idea of what sex is and what it meant.

00:14:20.400 To go from that to where we are now, it's, that's a big change.

00:14:27.360 What happened?

00:14:28.820 I think in my head I had made sex out to be this very romantic act.

00:14:33.280 And it can be, it definitely can be.

00:14:35.480 But I made it out to be, you know, this very, something you should keep safe.

00:14:40.300 And, you know, I'm a, like, I'm very innocent and I need to protect that.

00:14:45.480 And I will be, I think a lot of people make out that you will be damaged if you have more than one sexual partner and things like that.

00:14:54.840 And that was very much in my head when I was younger.

00:14:59.400 And yeah, when I, when I started to have, have sex, I kind of realised that it wasn't like that for me.

00:15:05.820 I, I, I found enjoyment from having sex and it wasn't just about, you know, making love or, and things like that.

00:15:13.020 So, yeah, I guess that's what kind of changed it, just having lots of sexual partners.

00:15:18.280 Did you, is it because you didn't feel as great an emotional connection as you thought you would do?

00:15:23.600 I think it's because I just really enjoyed it and I enjoyed it with lots of different partners.

00:15:29.580 And I, I don't think I'm some innocent thing that needs to be bubble wrapped and can't be used.

00:15:37.120 Do you think part of the reason that people have a reaction to what you do is partly because you're not the stereotypical woman?

00:15:45.420 Like most women, when they have sex, there tends to be some kind of emotional connection there. 1.00

00:15:50.620 So to have someone like you, who is the kind of opposite of that, that, people struggle to get their heads around it, don't they?

00:15:58.100 Yeah, yeah. And I, I think that, and I think maybe the way I look is a little bit different to what you would put as like a stereotypical porn star.

00:16:08.080 How do you mean? 0.76

00:16:08.520 I, I think a lot of people struggle to believe that this is me because a lot of the women who work in sex work maybe have the fake boobs or look a little bit more sexualized. 1.00

00:16:23.400 Um, I tend to dress a bit more modest and do my makeup a bit more hair, natural, stuff like that.

00:16:30.900 And I think people just like really struggle to wrap their heads around that.

00:16:34.940 Because also as well, you've, you spoke about the first time you got shown porn. I think you were 11 years old.

00:16:40.400 Yeah.

00:16:41.600 I mean, look, we can talk about pornography and I'm sure we will further down the interview, but that can't be a good thing, surely.

00:16:48.980 Um, I mean, I, I think it happens with a lot of people.

00:16:52.980 Yeah, what time, what, how old were you when you first encountered porn?

00:16:56.560 I probably would have been about 11. 0.98

00:16:58.380 And you guys aren't raging porn stars having sex with 100 men, are you? 0.99

00:17:01.360 How do you know? 0.99

00:17:04.940 I've kept it on the down low.

00:17:07.040 You haven't seen the paywall content yet, is it?

00:17:10.360 Um, it's a good point. It's a good point. I would argue that in my day, oh God, I sound old.

00:17:16.200 It was, it's slightly different because it was magazines.

00:17:19.540 Yeah.

00:17:19.820 It was like the magazine that everyone shared.

00:17:22.260 Yeah.

00:17:22.720 And depending where you were in the status group, it depends where you got the magazine.

00:17:25.900 But anyway, let's not focus on that.

00:17:27.700 But it's a kind of different thing because it's not showing the physical act.

00:17:31.580 It's not showing extreme act.

00:17:32.920 It depends on the magazine.

00:17:34.020 Yeah.

00:17:34.680 But normally these magazines were the ones that you bought in news agents.

00:17:37.600 My point is, I think Lily's point, which I do agree with, is a lot of people encounter

00:17:41.880 porn very young. Not a lot of them become Lily Phillips. Is that, is that kind of what you're

00:17:46.340 saying?

00:17:46.480 Yeah.

00:17:46.820 Yeah.

00:17:47.220 Yeah. But I guess my point is, is that a lot of the pornography that people are being shown,

00:17:51.960 particularly now, tends to be more extreme or hardcore, whatever else. Was that your experience

00:17:57.260 when you were shown it? Or was it just, you know, basically page three or whatever it may have

00:18:01.740 been?

00:18:01.860 It was a friend, a sleepover showed it to all of us on a laptop. And I think we just scrolled it for a

00:18:07.600 second. I don't particularly remember watching any kind of videos or, you know, like masturbating to it or

00:18:12.340 anything like that. It was, it was more just like something that my friend showed. And then I became

00:18:16.340 aware of.

00:18:17.460 Do you see where, I guess, like, put it bluntly, do you see where Francis' questions are coming from?

00:18:21.860 In the sense of like, here you were, I'm using inverted commas for people who are listening,

00:18:26.320 normal, right?

00:18:27.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:18:27.980 You thought sex is for like, mean, loving relationship, blah, blah, blah. Suddenly,

00:18:33.240 fast forward a few years, you're sleeping with a hundred guys on camera.

00:18:37.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:18:37.640 Well, not on camera, but for content, so to speak, right?

00:18:41.300 Like, even if you don't think there's anything wrong with that, which maybe some people do,

00:18:46.980 there's still quite a transition to people to get your head around. Do you see what I mean?

00:18:50.620 Yeah, yeah. I think it's just, I just became more sexual liberal and kind of realized what sex meant to me.

00:18:56.420 Mm-hmm. Which is just the enjoyment of lots of partners.

00:18:59.640 Yeah, yeah, definitely.

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00:20:40.760 You mentioned what we mentioned, the documentary. How do you feel about the documentary?

00:20:47.140 Oh, it's tough. Because to me, I don't think that was like a true depiction of the day.

00:20:55.420 Yeah.

00:20:56.360 But obviously, it did so well. Like for me and my business, it did amazing.

00:21:03.440 But also, I wish there wasn't a video of me crying on camera on the internet.

00:21:10.020 But yeah, it's got a rock and a hard place.

00:21:14.140 So, you didn't think it was representative is kind of what you're saying?

00:21:17.340 I mean, I'm not bashing that documentary.

00:21:21.680 No, no, no. That's not what I'm trying to get at.

00:21:23.160 Like the documentary is a piece of content. It's very good. It's well made.

00:21:26.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:27.020 It got a lot of attention for you.

00:21:28.700 So, what I'm curious about is, do you feel that it represents how you experienced that day?

00:21:35.560 I think it just highlighted all the bad parts of the day and none of the good parts.

00:21:40.760 Like there were really good moments in that day that I really enjoyed and that wasn't shown or highlighted.

00:21:47.560 And that's not on Josh or anything like that. Like they're trying to make a good documentary.

00:21:51.980 And I think that was tough for me because that is not how I left feeling about that day.

00:21:58.480 But obviously, then the documentary came out about a month later and I was like, oh God, like everyone thinks it was really bad.

00:22:04.680 And I'm really traumatized from it. And I'm like, what is going on?

00:22:08.040 So, you're not?

00:22:08.540 No, because, you know, after that day, I just, you know, went about my month, went about my week kind of thing.

00:22:14.340 And then the documentary came out and I was like, oh God, like, you know.

00:22:18.400 And I think partly it's because a lot of stuff got clipped.

00:22:21.260 And we know from personal experience, people will often clip things in a way that's not quite represented.

00:22:25.680 For example, I thought that, again, I read in a lot of articles about, oh, Lily Phillips, she says this, I'm only good for one thing.

00:22:32.360 Because there's that moment where you're making them a cup of tea and you just make what I think is a self-deprecating joke.

00:22:37.560 That kind of joke.

00:22:38.320 It's just a joke, right?

00:22:39.820 That's exactly the sort of joke that Frances and I would make about ourselves in all kinds of different situations.

00:22:44.740 So I did think you were kind of slightly misrepresented by those clips.

00:22:49.220 On the other hand, what I really wanted to ask you is there is a scene when you're done with the 101 men,

00:22:55.880 when you do look emotionally shaken and you are crying, as you say.

00:23:02.040 Why were you crying?

00:23:03.260 Why were you shaken?

00:23:04.700 The thing is, is that obviously you guys didn't get to see that it was like a 14-hour day of a very exhausting long day.

00:23:11.920 It was hard.

00:23:13.300 Like, it was hard.

00:23:14.260 There were some... 0.99

00:23:15.660 And not just, I'm not talking about the dicks were big. 0.96

00:23:18.440 Like, it was like just, it was exhausting because we were like, oh, are we going to make it to 100? 0.97

00:23:23.580 You know, we're having to get more guys in.

00:23:25.300 And then I'm stressed about like, are the guys having a good time?

00:23:28.500 And now I'm going to have to cut down their time because they're getting too much time.

00:23:31.500 And people are being awkward about it.

00:23:33.100 And like, people didn't see that, the like mental stress of the day.

00:23:38.700 And it wasn't due to like, you know, being abused or anything.

00:23:42.100 It was just more like, it was a hard day at work.

00:23:45.160 And I think when you have a hard day at work on a porn set, people then paint that as you're being abused and stuff like that.

00:23:52.660 And it's like, no, this is just like any other regular job.

00:23:55.720 You know, you have a bad day doesn't mean you're going to quit and you hate it.

00:23:59.240 It's just you had a bad day.

00:24:00.720 Hmm. Well, and that kind of makes sense to me because, you know, we've done lots of live shows and other things like that.

00:24:06.900 They can be very stressful.

00:24:08.680 And if it's been 14 hours nonstop and it's very intense, I do understand that.

00:24:13.900 But the reason I was asking is you do say like, this isn't for the regular girls or something.

00:24:19.700 Correct me if I'm misquoting.

00:24:21.400 And I think a lot of people got the impression from that, that maybe in that moment you were starting to realize that this was something that was having a detrimental.

00:24:30.720 Impact on you, not in the sense of this is an intense job, but in the sense of like the job I'm doing is not actually healthy for me.

00:24:37.160 That's kind of where I think people came away from it.

00:24:40.340 I mean, people love to read into things and stuff like that and they love to paint their own picture on it.

00:24:45.440 But that that is truly how I felt just exhausted and hard.

00:24:50.860 You know, that's kind of how I depicted the day.

00:24:53.660 So you didn't feel I'm just asking to clarify again, Lily, if it sounds like we're having a go.

00:24:58.720 That's not the intention. 0.99

00:24:59.740 But you didn't feel like, oh, wow, this was more than I thought or like, wow, that's a lot of dicks. 0.99

00:25:07.980 No, no, no. 0.99

00:25:09.060 I definitely had like bit enough more than I could chew with the time limit.

00:25:12.580 And everyone got because in in real time, everyone was going one by one by one by one.

00:25:17.200 Like a lot of other girls who do this kind of stuff are doing groups. 0.97

00:25:21.940 So, of course, you're getting through people so much quicker.

00:25:24.120 But, you know, people are coming in and you have to ask them to take off their trousers.

00:25:26.820 You have no conversation with them.

00:25:28.320 Like I had bitten off more than I had chewed.

00:25:30.560 Definitely.

00:25:31.200 But it wasn't when I said that comment, it wasn't due to like, oh, I really regret this.

00:25:36.380 I'm really ashamed.

00:25:37.300 I wish I hadn't done this.

00:25:38.560 It was just like, I wish I'd done it differently.

00:25:41.080 The admin was overwhelmed.

00:25:42.980 Yeah.

00:25:44.020 Yeah.

00:25:44.520 Yeah.

00:25:45.340 You know, when I watched a documentary, one of the things I kept thinking about and I was looking at these guys and I ended up judging them more than I judge you.

00:25:56.660 And I was like, what type of bloke would do this?

00:25:59.820 Was there like a commonality between these guys?

00:26:02.220 Was there?

00:26:02.960 No, not all.

00:26:04.000 I mean, I don't know why the media loves to paint it out that it's like black or Muslim men who come to these things.

00:26:08.940 It's not all true.

00:26:09.820 Wait.

00:26:10.220 No, no, I know.

00:26:11.600 That's not what you guys said.

00:26:12.780 But I've seen.

00:26:13.160 Is that what people are saying?

00:26:14.540 Black or Muslim men?

00:26:15.500 I've seen in the media people love to paint it as like a real black or Muslim men event.

00:26:20.740 Yeah.

00:26:21.600 Is there some truth to that?

00:26:23.200 No, not all.

00:26:24.060 But that's what I'm saying.

00:26:24.940 There's no truth to that.

00:26:26.160 It's Harry, Tom, Dick and Joe.

00:26:28.340 You know what I mean?

00:26:28.780 You're like every kind of race.

00:26:30.500 Yeah.

00:26:30.860 Yeah.

00:26:31.460 Every kind of age.

00:26:32.880 Oh, 18 plus, obviously.

00:26:36.500 Just anyone.

00:26:37.480 Anyone turned up.

00:26:38.800 So there was no, all these people were, were they fans?

00:26:41.980 Were they all fans pretty much?

00:26:44.120 Yeah, I think a lot of them had probably followed me on social media.

00:26:47.080 That's probably where they got the invite from.

00:26:49.440 And because, you know, it takes a certain type of bloke.

00:26:53.080 I can imagine there's a lot of lads who would do that on a whim and be like, oh, look what I'm doing, boys, tomorrow.

00:26:59.060 But to follow through with that and then queue up and then stand there in a queue and then go and, I mean, that's quite a tough ask.

00:27:07.280 Yeah, I mean, it was a long process as well.

00:27:09.760 You had to send your photo ID into the phone number.

00:27:13.360 You had to then, you know, send in like confirmation of this and then the address, the time slot.

00:27:18.740 So there was a lot of thought that went into the guys who came.

00:27:21.280 It wasn't just, you know, a whim kind of decision.

00:27:24.400 So, yeah, I can imagine.

00:27:26.200 Because there was that moment in the documentary where quite a lot of men dropped out, which is understandable because it's a whim.

00:27:33.280 And then, and please clarify if what I'm saying is incorrect.

00:27:37.260 It was then hinted at in the doc that actually there was a lot of people who were coming to perform who didn't have an STI check.

00:27:47.140 Yeah.

00:27:47.540 Is that accurate?

00:27:48.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:49.600 Does that not worry you, Lily, that you're exposing yourself to really quite severe illnesses?

00:27:56.700 I mean, obviously I wore a condom and so we were very careful with stuff like that.

00:28:01.880 And not, not really.

00:28:04.400 I mean, I think this is probably some of the safest sex you can have in terms of talking about what you want to do before,

00:28:12.660 talking about, you know, consent and stuff like that.

00:28:15.880 And then wearing a condom, like if you were to go on a one night stand, you know, people, people love to pick at this that it's really unsafe.

00:28:24.360 But when a lot of people have a one night stand, you know, they're not consenting, they're not sober, they're not wearing a condom.

00:28:31.720 Like, so I think it was a very safe day, yeah.

00:28:36.040 Look, I agree with you with the point of the one night stand, but I think on most porn sets, in fact, if it's not all, performers have to be tested, don't they?

00:28:44.880 Because these are people who, you know, have a lot of sex.

00:28:48.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.77

00:28:49.700 You know, you don't know who these men are.

00:28:51.440 That's, that's really risky behaviour, isn't it?

00:28:53.760 I mean, definitely going forward, that's what we'll do is get, well, that's what we have done, is get everyone tested.

00:28:59.660 It's just tricky in England, we have such little free testing, obviously you can pay to get a full border test, but it's around like £300, £400 if you don't want to get a full border test, which is a lot to ask for from guys who are having a two minute shag.

00:29:18.420 Is it, like, because, I'm going to be honest with you, I'm going to sound like a dad here, which, you know.

00:29:26.740 Which he's not.

00:29:27.500 Which I'm not, but it's also, you're putting yourself at risk, my love.

00:29:31.760 Do you not worry about that?

00:29:33.940 I mean, I'm on PrEP and stuff like that, so I couldn't have caught HIV.

00:29:39.560 But yeah, I try to be as safe as possible.

00:29:43.240 Because when it came through, when I was seeing in the doc, I was, I was actually worried for you, and I was thinking to myself, you know, I understand you're young, and look, when I was 23, I didn't think about constantly.

00:29:57.500 Consequences, I didn't do what you did, but, you know, I had, I had serious problems with alcohol, whatever else.

00:30:03.140 So I get it.

00:30:03.920 I get risk-taking behaviour.

00:30:05.320 I get thrill-seeking behaviour.

00:30:07.120 I guess my worry when I saw you was that I was thinking, you're not thinking about the long-term consequences, particularly when it comes to something like this.

00:30:16.140 Yeah, I mean, it was definitely a learning curve.

00:30:18.500 Like I said, like, on the day, it was quite stressful.

00:30:20.740 So I was just like, yeah, bring, bring more men in, you know.

00:30:23.500 So, yeah, no, definitely a learning curve.

00:30:27.880 And so, I guess, how do you, how, how do you make a balance?

00:30:33.660 Because, look, you're very savvy.

00:30:35.220 You're obviously very good at what you do.

00:30:36.920 People like you.

00:30:37.720 People follow you.

00:30:38.740 How do you keep that balance between making money, notoriety, but also protecting yourself and keeping yourself safe?

00:30:46.480 Because when you look at it, that is actually the most important thing, isn't it?

00:30:50.200 Yeah, yeah, definitely.

00:30:52.380 I mean, what, as in like safety on the vents or like safety on the vents?

00:30:55.880 But also safety moving on, because there's going to be a time in your life, I hope, when you've made enough money, you don't want to do this.

00:31:01.640 Maybe you want a family.

00:31:03.580 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:31:04.060 Is there going to be a time like that?

00:31:05.340 That's an assumption.

00:31:06.200 Yeah, I would love a family.

00:31:08.040 I would love to get married.

00:31:09.300 Definitely want kids.

00:31:10.980 But for me, I don't find what I've done shameful.

00:31:13.900 So I don't think, you know, I'm not scared to have kids or anything like that.

00:31:19.740 It's interesting you say that, because I had my son a few years ago, and it's amazing.

00:31:24.960 Everyone should have kids if they want to or are capable of doing it, et cetera. 0.97

00:31:29.460 All the fucking usual caveats. 0.98

00:31:31.140 People, kids are great, is what I've heard. 0.99

00:31:33.500 See, we have to watch everything you can say now.

00:31:35.780 Because someone's like, oh, good, good.

00:31:37.680 Anyway, so kids are great, right?

00:31:39.840 And the moment my wife got pregnant, I started to see the world completely differently, in many different ways.

00:31:46.680 And one of the ways was, like, I started tweeting completely differently, because I was like, I don't think I want my son to see me, like, slagging this person off on Twitter in this way.

00:31:56.760 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:58.060 So you've got a somewhat bigger issue there, I would put it to you, right?

00:32:04.340 With your kids, in terms of the stuff that you were doing, which is going to live there forever.

00:32:12.180 Yeah.

00:32:12.700 You might be okay with it, but do you consider the possibility that your kids might not?

00:32:18.240 I mean, for me, I will always bring my kids up to learn that sex isn't a shameful act.

00:32:25.760 And especially not to have it on camera or whatever, everyone does it.

00:32:28.720 But I will always bring them up, you know, that that is what I've done, and that's my choice, it's my body.

00:32:37.540 So, no, because I think that is just how I will teach them to be, not so judgmental as people are.

00:32:46.940 Well, the thing is, I'm not being judgmental.

00:32:49.560 I'm just telling you my experience.

00:32:51.200 And the idea that you're going to teach your kids to be a certain way is not matching my experience exactly.

00:32:58.360 Like, my wife and I are pretty good at teaching him a particular way, but he also has a mind of his own because he's an independent person.

00:33:04.200 And kids that you might have later, they will also be independent people who have their own concerns and their own worldviews.

00:33:10.400 Like, you're probably somewhat different from your parents, right?

00:33:13.000 Like, your mom probably doesn't do what you do, and she might have a different perspective on it. 1.00

00:33:16.460 Do you see what I'm saying?

00:33:16.960 So, have you thought about the fact that if you do want children, their perception of your career, it may not necessarily be something that you control, and it almost certainly will not be positive?

00:33:30.780 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:31.180 I mean, I like to think by then that we have gotten past the fact that sex work is shameful and disgusting.

00:33:38.300 Do you think that's likely?

00:33:39.800 Yeah, I really do.

00:33:41.100 I think with the rise of OnlyFans and the fact that we're having a lot more conversations about sex work, I do think that is high likely in, I don't know, 20 years or so.

00:33:51.320 Do you think, it's interesting about OnlyFans, because I'm very conflicted about it, Lily, and let's see if we can make sense of it together.

00:33:59.200 On the one hand, I think it's far better for girls like you, who want to go and perform and want to be performers, and you seem very together and very business-like, fine.

00:34:08.120 I do worry that easy access for 18-year-old girls who are barely out of childhood, not really aware of the choices that they're making, certainly not long-term, think their skin, oh, here's a way I can make a few quid, pay my way for university, college, whatever it may be, and then not aware of the long-term implications of their choices.

00:34:32.640 Because you can say, and you can say, for instance, look, you know, I want to get to a place where people aren't discriminated against, fine, that's very noble, but that ain't the world we live in.

00:34:41.740 Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think it's extremely important that young girls are educated on what this job is and what it means to do this job.

00:34:50.860 Before I even did this, I thought about it for six months, and I think it's really important.

00:34:54.960 I have so many girls come to me and be like, should I start OnlyFans? Like, what do I do? 0.75

00:35:00.240 And the first thing I say is, like, please have a full think about it, because it really does change your life.

00:35:05.600 It changes the way everyone looks at you, everyone treats you.

00:35:10.280 Like, I probably don't even know the way it's going to change my life in the future, but it is huge.

00:35:16.840 It's huge. And yeah, I think it's just really important that we educate young people on that.

00:35:20.960 And so this is your opportunity. Like, what's wrong with doing OnlyFans?

00:35:25.040 Well, obviously, the shame that comes around it, whether that's friends or family members, from friends or family members,

00:35:33.340 the fact that you probably won't be able to do another job after this, you know, I couldn't go work in a school or anything like that.

00:35:43.300 There's a lot more things wrong with it. Just the dangers of the industry, being unsafe, you know.

00:35:50.180 How are you unsafe?

00:35:51.200 As in working with, like, a performer that might not be safe or stuff like that.

00:35:56.000 You know, you might have a bad experience, which is obviously really detrimental.

00:36:02.640 Just like the social construct on social media, sorry.

00:36:07.380 The whole of that, like, it's online forever.

00:36:11.540 There's so much wrong with the job. Sorry, I could go on forever.

00:36:13.780 Well, please do.

00:36:14.360 The reason you say is, like, you say the girls contact you and they ask you and you are, like, really have a careful think.

00:36:21.540 And I think this is, you know, in the spirit of that conversation, this is a good opportunity for you to actually lay out the things that people should weigh up.

00:36:29.620 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:36:30.300 If someone's watching this and thinking, well, I might start an OnlyFans.

00:36:33.160 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:33.680 What should they carefully think about?

00:36:35.680 So you mentioned family and friends.

00:36:37.820 Yeah.

00:36:38.560 Pretty much anyone who knows who you are will treat you differently, potentially.

00:36:44.000 You might be working with someone who's unsafe.

00:36:46.660 You mean, like, physically?

00:36:48.200 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:48.880 As in, you know, you might have a bad experience and stuff like that.

00:36:52.320 Okay.

00:36:52.740 The money side of things, not everyone is successful.

00:36:56.280 Well, almost everyone is not successful.

00:36:58.120 Is that fair to say?

00:36:58.740 Well, yeah, there's a hard, I think on OnlyFans, I can't remember.

00:37:02.840 It's like 1%.

00:37:03.840 Yeah, it's like $100 a month is, like, the average earnings.

00:37:07.640 Right.

00:37:07.980 And so a lot of people aren't successful.

00:37:09.720 But you're still getting all the same negatives, right?

00:37:11.840 Yeah, exactly.

00:37:12.140 Like, you're getting all the negatives for $100 a month.

00:37:14.460 Exactly.

00:37:15.060 And even if you're, like, a faceless creator, people will always find out, like, they'll always find out, and just, like, the internet is forever.

00:37:22.380 As well, in OnlyFans, you have to promote yourself online.

00:37:30.300 Like, there's no other way to go about it.

00:37:33.080 And that is hard, because then you can't be, like, secretive about it.

00:37:39.940 Why do you have to promote yourself online?

00:37:41.800 Why can't you just do OnlyFans?

00:37:44.540 Because the whole point of OnlyFans is it only works if you self-promote.

00:37:48.680 If people know who you are.

00:37:49.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:50.320 Well, you can't have a successful account if no one knew about it.

00:37:56.760 Okay, so there's no...

00:37:57.420 No, you could make the best porn in the world, but if no one knows about it, then...

00:38:00.280 No one's going to watch it.

00:38:01.000 Yeah.

00:38:01.440 So there's no algorithm.

00:38:02.740 There's no self-discovery thing.

00:38:03.980 No, no, it's not like TikTok or anything like that where people can find you.

00:38:07.600 It's purely based on from your social media.

00:38:10.480 Anything else on the negatives while we're on it?

00:38:12.300 Oh, I'm trying to think.

00:38:14.020 Like, body image.

00:38:16.380 What do you mean?

00:38:16.880 As in just the way you put yourself out there, like, I'm always thinking, God, would I make 0.94

00:38:24.020 a bit more money if I had bigger boobs, you know, if I had big boobs or, you know, just 0.99

00:38:28.740 huge stuff like that. 0.82

00:38:30.180 People will always speak about how your body looks as well.

00:38:34.060 You will always be sexualized.

00:38:37.220 There's so much. 0.94

00:38:38.180 And do you think, you know, talking about the pressure of, like, the bigger boobs and

00:38:42.340 stuff, do you think that's partly why you're doing these kind of hundred-man things, etc.?

00:38:47.740 Because there's incentive structures there to encourage you to do more stuff that's kind

00:38:52.780 of out there, that's attention-grabbing, that's...

00:38:55.320 Is that fair to say?

00:38:56.200 I think that is fair to say, but I think that is the thing with everyone who works, you know,

00:39:01.620 whether you do YouTube or stuff like that.

00:39:03.320 It's always a push to kind of do more, do something bigger, do something that people

00:39:06.920 haven't seen before, do something that's going to do well.

00:39:09.100 I think that's definitely true.

00:39:10.340 And those of us who do what we do, we have to have an internal filter of, like, yeah,

00:39:15.580 we could do this, but we're actually not going to.

00:39:17.960 Do you know what I mean? 0.92

00:39:18.920 Like, we're not going to get bigger boobs, right? 0.65

00:39:21.860 Do you see what I mean?

00:39:22.840 But the incentive structures are very perverse in all our industries.

00:39:25.640 I definitely get that.

00:39:27.460 So is that it on the negatives, would you say?

00:39:29.980 Yeah.

00:39:30.340 Yeah, I'm trying to think if anything else.

00:39:33.880 Yeah.

00:39:36.000 Yeah, and also people, yeah, I mean, I think I said this before with friends and family,

00:39:39.980 but no matter, you know, if I'm a sister, I'm, you know, a friend or anything like that,

00:39:47.340 I'm still an only fun sex worker.

00:39:49.360 Like, that is the thing that comes before everything else.

00:39:52.280 Like, you know, outside of my work, I'm a very regular girl, take my dog on a walk,

00:39:57.240 you know, I do this, go to my friend's birthday parties, but I'll always be known as, like,

00:40:01.940 a sex worker.

00:40:03.220 And I suppose as well, the one thing is, is it's kind of, it's dangerous because you are

00:40:09.800 more likely to get stalkers.

00:40:11.280 Is that not true?

00:40:12.720 So true.

00:40:13.440 Yeah.

00:40:13.900 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:14.440 Oh, people have, um, what is the relationship called on the internet?

00:40:18.180 Parasocial.

00:40:18.700 Yeah.

00:40:19.260 Yeah.

00:40:19.780 And especially with, like, obviously sex workers, people really think they're in this kind

00:40:23.920 of, like, relationship with you and it can be really dangerous.

00:40:27.080 And is that something that, that concerns you or that worries you?

00:40:29.900 Have you put things in place?

00:40:31.860 Um, you know what, I haven't really put a huge amount in place.

00:40:35.080 I mean, obviously I don't post where I am or anything like that, but I've had, like,

00:40:37.820 letters through my door, like, where I live and stuff like that, which can, you know,

00:40:41.800 be a bit freaky.

00:40:43.260 Um, but there's not much to do about it other than, you know, don't, don't post where you

00:40:48.200 are online and things like that.

00:40:49.380 I understand that.

00:40:51.340 I think what's really interesting, Lily, is that, you know, I worry sometimes that

00:40:56.140 we're in this culture, and I take your point about not wanting to, you know, demonize sex

00:41:01.180 and sex workers, but I also think as well that a lot of girls are now seeing OnlyFans 1.00

00:41:08.780 as a trivial choice.

00:41:10.640 And I think that's a pretty dangerous way to be.

00:41:14.120 Sorry, I don't understand what that means.

00:41:15.760 Okay.

00:41:16.300 So, they don't just see, no, it's...

00:41:18.460 They don't give it the seriousness it actually deserves.

00:41:21.320 Okay, yeah, 100%, yeah.

00:41:23.280 Couldn't agree more.

00:41:24.320 And do you sometimes worry, Lily, that by what you're doing, you're making it seem more

00:41:29.000 appealing to those types of girls because you're earning all of this money and you're 0.81

00:41:33.660 very successful?

00:41:35.040 I mean, somehow I don't think putting out a 40-minute documentary of you crying on the

00:41:38.960 internet is somehow making people want to do sex work.

00:41:42.820 But when you look at the money involved and all the rest of it...

00:41:45.740 I try to be very real.

00:41:47.720 I try not to, like, flaunt too much or stuff like that.

00:41:51.420 But I do like to show off, you know, my regular day-to-day life and, you know, what it's like

00:41:58.020 to...

00:41:59.240 What a day in the life is like for me and things like that.

00:42:02.240 Um, but I try not to push too much on, like, earnings or things like that.

00:42:07.440 What have you...

00:42:07.800 And you must have seen a very interesting side of, like, male sexuality doing what you do.

00:42:13.940 What have you learned about men from your job?

00:42:16.720 And I'm sure this isn't going to be a compliment.

00:42:19.880 Oh, how much, like...

00:42:22.580 Oh, am I going to get in trouble saying this?

00:42:25.780 How much...

00:42:26.880 It's only the internet. 0.93

00:42:27.700 How much more disgusting they are than I thought they were.

00:42:33.000 In what sense? 0.98

00:42:34.380 In some of their fantasies, I hear.

00:42:36.640 She looks like I'll produce it.

00:42:39.240 Just some of the fantasies that I've heard about.

00:42:41.740 That has never even come into my brain.

00:42:44.060 You mean, like, fetishes and stuff, kinks people are into? 1.00

00:42:46.920 Yeah. 0.98

00:42:47.780 Rape fantasies, things like that. 0.98

00:42:49.120 And you just think, oh, my God.

00:42:51.220 But I don't think that's...

00:42:52.180 Obviously, that's not just men.

00:42:54.120 But I...

00:42:55.040 As well, how much people cheat on people.

00:42:59.000 You know, I grew up where my parents are both together.

00:43:02.220 And they have always said, once you get married, you get married.

00:43:04.360 And that's it.

00:43:05.180 And, you know, you don't cheat.

00:43:06.860 And that just isn't a thing for me.

00:43:10.420 And then growing up, you realize that how many people cheat.

00:43:13.680 Sorry.

00:43:14.580 No, no, don't need to be sorry.

00:43:15.920 But that's not something you realize from your own work, or is it?

00:43:18.520 I think you do.

00:43:19.740 From your own work.

00:43:20.320 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:43:20.760 As in, men are coming and having sex with you when they're in a relationship. 0.97

00:43:25.060 I've never had someone outly say that they're cheating on their partner when they're having sex.

00:43:28.680 I mean, but people say it a lot when they're messaging me online.

00:43:32.880 And personally, I take that as cheating.

00:43:34.400 You know, if you're in bed with your missus or whatever, and you're turned around having a wank and texting me or sexting me.

00:43:42.900 Like, I personally, if I was in a relationship, in a monogamous relationship, I wouldn't do that.

00:43:47.520 But, you know, and has it made you, how has it changed your attitudes? 1.00

00:43:52.260 Men are disgusting. 0.99

00:43:55.000 Has it changed? 1.00

00:43:55.700 Wait, wait, wait.

00:43:56.220 Sorry, Frances.

00:43:56.700 I'm so sorry to interrupt. 0.97

00:43:57.820 Why did you think that was going to be, like, controversial, saying that, that men are disgusting?

00:44:03.660 Do you think you'll offend some of your fans?

00:44:05.680 I just don't want to offend people.

00:44:07.360 I don't think it's very nice to say that. 1.00

00:44:08.580 Because probably women are probably just disgusting. 1.00

00:44:10.800 I just don't know. 1.00

00:44:12.320 No, women aren't nearly. 1.00

00:44:15.500 There are some women who are into different stuff, but I don't think that that's equal between men and women. 1.00

00:44:20.900 And has this really changed the way that you view men?

00:44:23.500 Does it?

00:44:24.940 I guess a little bit, yeah.

00:44:26.860 Yeah.

00:44:29.760 Oh, I maybe see them as a bit weaker than I thought.

00:44:33.240 Interesting.

00:44:33.760 Why?

00:44:33.940 I think growing up, you think men are quite strong.

00:44:37.380 I think I just learned a lot from my dad that he's this very strong, perfect person.

00:44:42.920 And then when you get into the world, you realize, like, they're just not.

00:44:46.540 And that's not to do with my dad.

00:44:47.740 My dad is perfect.

00:44:49.000 But you realize, like, a lot of men just aren't.

00:44:51.680 And do you think it's a sexual drive that makes them weak?

00:44:58.760 Not necessarily a sex drive.

00:45:00.420 Just, I think, I don't know.

00:45:05.220 I don't really know.

00:45:07.160 Well, I think what you're encountering is that a beautiful woman who is available for sex has a lot of power over men. 0.99

00:45:15.280 Yeah, maybe that's it.

00:45:16.740 I think that's what you're encountering.

00:45:18.540 And therefore, the men that you encounter are quite weak to the thing that you're offering them.

00:45:24.320 Yeah.

00:45:24.680 I don't really know.

00:45:25.260 I've never really thought about it or anything like that.

00:45:27.360 I've thought into it.

00:45:28.200 Yeah.

00:45:28.460 Well, we're asking you to think about it.

00:45:29.760 Yeah, that's fair enough.

00:45:30.320 But yeah, maybe that is it.

00:45:32.680 Like, probably a lot more powerful than I think.

00:45:36.320 I mean, female sexuality is a very powerful thing when it comes to men. 0.99

00:45:40.360 But you mentioned your father and your parents.

00:45:43.800 I know you've been asked this question a lot.

00:45:45.440 And I noticed that initially you were kind of okay with being asked about how your parents see what you do, etc.

00:45:51.240 And then I think you were doing LBC and you kind of you seem to be less willing to talk about it.

00:45:57.700 Yeah.

00:45:57.900 Has something changed there?

00:45:59.200 Yeah.

00:45:59.380 My parents basically had a chat with me because they were getting, like, blasted a lot in the media.

00:46:05.740 You know, the Daily Mail did, like, a whole article on my parents and how they're abusing me or something like that.

00:46:10.940 And so they mentioned to me, you know, maybe don't talk as much about me.

00:46:15.180 And I totally respect that.

00:46:17.500 And as well, I think sometimes the more you talk about something, the more people can twist it.

00:46:24.240 So I try to just say less.

00:46:26.360 I heard people, I don't know if it's true.

00:46:28.180 I mean, your mother is involved somehow in your business.

00:46:30.980 Is that?

00:46:31.220 Yeah, so to kind of wrap this up, basically, she, I can't, I don't know how to pay taxes. 1.00

00:46:38.760 I'm a bit stupid like that. 0.94

00:46:40.780 My mum, her, is a very, very intelligent businesswoman. 0.99

00:46:45.600 She basically just helps me pay my taxes, helps me pay my staff, just little jobs like that. 1.00

00:46:51.800 And obviously I pay her for it.

00:46:53.600 And then people have took this as a spun list that she manages me or has a hold of my accounts.

00:46:59.640 And, you know, she's exploiting me and taking money from me that I was just like, what the hell? 1.00

00:47:05.900 It's so crazy how much they can just twist stuff and people run with it.

00:47:09.000 And then the more people talk about it, the more people believe it.

00:47:11.460 It's crazy.

00:47:12.000 Well, it is crazy.

00:47:13.720 And I've been on the other end of it just like, well, not just like you.

00:47:17.120 I've been on that end of it as well.

00:47:19.340 And it's very unpleasant.

00:47:20.740 But I also think it sort of comes with the territory.

00:47:23.060 Particularly if you caught a lot of controversy, you can't then be surprised.

00:47:27.320 No, no, no.

00:47:27.720 And it's my own fault for running my mouth about it because sometimes I get a bit, you know,

00:47:32.140 you get really friendly with someone and you kind of think they're your friend and start, keep chatting.

00:47:36.540 Yeah, I've certainly made that.

00:47:38.480 Yeah, don't make friends with journalists.

00:47:40.360 Yes.

00:47:42.140 But, you know, talking about your parents, I thought it was something interesting that you said when you were on LBC.

00:47:47.120 See, the guy asked you whether your parents approve of what you do or something, how they feel about what you do.

00:47:53.540 And you're like, you wouldn't ask me this if I was a man.

00:47:57.280 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:58.260 And here's what I wanted to talk to you about in relation to that because I think that's true.

00:48:03.260 I actually think that's true. 0.98

00:48:04.280 People wouldn't ask you what your parents think about it if you're a man because what they would say is you are evil and disgusting if you're a man. 0.95

00:48:12.580 Because really, if you think about it, like in terms, sorry, I know it sounds harsh. 0.97

00:48:17.120 I know it sounds really harsh.

00:48:18.620 Here's what I mean by that.

00:48:19.500 But, like, the closest person I can think of who's a man who does something similar to you or has done is Andrew Tate, right?

00:48:28.660 Somehow I don't think me and Andrew Tate are similar.

00:48:30.880 I know you don't.

00:48:31.860 But if you think about what you do and what he does, effectively he used people of the opposite sex to make content for money, right? 0.88

00:48:41.320 I mean, I don't really know what Andrew Tate does.

00:48:43.520 I'm not too into his universe.

00:48:45.460 Yeah, well, he basically encouraged girls to do camming and I think skimmed most of the money off or whatever.

00:48:51.480 And there's an abuse of quality there or whatever.

00:48:53.180 But ultimately, a lot of people don't like Andrew Tate because of the message he communicates, right?

00:48:58.140 And a lot of people don't like you because of the message your work communicates, right?

00:49:03.400 So my point is the way that people treat you, whether it's us.

00:49:07.540 Like, we've asked you some fairly tough questions, but I hope we've been friendly and respectful, right?

00:49:13.780 Victoria Derbyshire was friendly and respectful.

00:49:15.780 Most of the people I've interviewed have been very sensitive with you.

00:49:18.580 And a lot of the questions are like, well, is it because you're traumatized?

00:49:22.880 Is it because you're this?

00:49:23.820 With a man, people will just be like, this is your choice.

00:49:27.100 You're making these choices and you're a bad person for making those choices.

00:49:29.800 Do you see what I'm saying?

00:49:30.300 I think to kind of put me and Andrew Tate in the same thing is not the same.

00:49:38.560 I mean, by the sounds of it, what he did was very exploitive of these women, which that

00:49:44.320 is not what I'm doing.

00:49:45.340 Are you sure?

00:49:46.540 Definitely not.

00:49:47.440 No.

00:49:49.160 Definitely not. 0.98

00:49:49.940 So these hundred men who are coming to have sex with you because they are really happy to 0.52

00:49:55.140 do it, you don't feel like... 0.94

00:49:56.780 Genuine question.

00:49:57.840 I'm not trying to put it...

00:49:59.140 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:59.880 You don't feel like you're taking advantage of them?

00:50:02.000 No, no.

00:50:03.440 It's a fair exchange?

00:50:04.620 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:05.280 I'm very open about what I do to them always.

00:50:09.200 You know, you're going to come in here, you'll film for five minutes or so, and that'll be

00:50:13.760 that.

00:50:14.060 And, you know, you'll sign the piece of paper and da-da-da-da.

00:50:16.620 I'm very open, honest about what they're coming in there to do and they make that choice.

00:50:20.460 You know, I will say, I think that's a really important and very fair distinction.

00:50:23.080 So, I guess I was thinking of it more just in the context of, like, the messaging and

00:50:27.700 the way you come across in public, that's all.

00:50:29.540 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:29.860 So I think that's a very fair distinction and you're right to correct me.

00:50:32.980 But, yeah, I don't know.

00:50:35.260 I mean, when I've talked to male porn stars about what they've been asked about, it's

00:50:39.960 usually, you know, who's the hottest woman you've been with or what's the best porn star

00:50:44.440 you've shagged or anything like that.

00:50:45.920 What I'm saying is there's a flip side to the coin, right?

00:50:49.400 I think that's what you're saying there is totally true.

00:50:51.880 But I think you would find that if you were a man sleeping with a hundred people in one,

00:50:57.600 a lot of people would be way harsher with you than they are because you're a woman. 1.00

00:51:01.220 I agree that they would be way harsher, not as, like, bubble wrap me or, you know, see,

00:51:06.160 are you all right?

00:51:06.880 Have you got a lot of trauma?

00:51:07.740 But I do, I don't, I, they, sorry, they definitely wouldn't be as harsh or, sorry,

00:51:15.940 they definitely would be more harsh, but I believe it would more be, like, on a kind

00:51:21.560 of laddie terms of, like, you know, so how did that go and da-da-da-da-da, quite lighthearted.

00:51:27.040 You think Victoria D'Arbyshire would be like that? 0.94

00:51:31.040 But I just don't, I don't think, I don't think it would be more as, like, what kind of trauma

00:51:36.060 have you had, you know?

00:51:37.060 It wouldn't be like that, no, with a guy.

00:51:39.460 Because with a guy, it's like, whatever you do is a hundred percent your responsibility.

00:51:43.600 Yeah.

00:51:44.120 Whereas a lot of people like to pretend that what you are doing is kind of, like, you

00:51:49.400 don't really have agency, you're not able to make your own decisions.

00:51:52.900 It was interesting, I got into a big argument when your whole thing went viral with a feminist 1.00

00:51:57.240 who we've had on the show, Julie Bindle, because she wrote an article saying all the men that 1.00

00:52:01.580 had sex with you should be imprisoned for torturing you. 1.00

00:52:05.320 That's so stupid. 1.00

00:52:06.700 Why? 1.00

00:52:07.860 Well, it's consensual sex with adults. 0.51

00:52:11.080 You know, I consented to it as well.

00:52:13.120 I was very verbally consenting to it all the way through. 1.00

00:52:17.520 So I think that's a really stupid take. 1.00

00:52:20.540 These men come and, you know, they want to have a good time. 1.00

00:52:23.780 They want to come, go, have a nice time.

00:52:25.740 And that's it.

00:52:26.320 I don't think it's some deeply disgusting act that people paint it out to me.

00:52:31.480 What have your experiences taught you about sex?

00:52:35.000 Is there anything that you've changed your mind?

00:52:36.560 Is there anything that you've realized?

00:52:37.980 Sorry, I'm trying to think.

00:52:50.400 I'm trying to think if there's any.

00:52:51.840 Probably that sex is very, like, energy related.

00:52:55.740 And that when I'm having a good time, it's usually because, like, our energies are aligning and we're on the same vibe, if that makes sense.

00:53:03.940 I know that sounds a bit hippie-like, but I think it's true. 1.00

00:53:07.220 Do you think, has it affected your ability to have sex in private? 0.56

00:53:11.440 No, no, no.

00:53:12.800 And is there a distinction between the two?

00:53:14.800 Do you see one as work and the other as something else?

00:53:17.020 I think there's definitely a distinction between, like, these big group sex I'm having and, you know, a one-on-one off-camera.

00:53:25.440 You know, I can be a bit uglier, not put makeup on, you know, not have to, like, bend my back or make sure we're opening up to camera and they're seeing penetration or anything like that.

00:53:35.800 And just kind of focus more on, you know, the actual act.

00:53:39.120 And then when it's more, like, these big groups, you know, it's a little bit more performative, maybe I'm more, like, saying stuff that I wouldn't usually say if it was, like, one-to-one.

00:53:51.120 Do you think, as a lot of people would say, does it affect your ability to have connection with people?

00:53:56.760 Because, obviously, in your private life, you know, you want kids, you want a husband, sex is about connection.

00:54:04.160 Will that affect your ability to connect with one person, considering what you do in your professional life?

00:54:09.420 Um, no, I don't think so.

00:54:11.120 I mean, to me, I haven't dated since I've done this or anything like that.

00:54:16.160 Why not?

00:54:17.060 Just, I just choose not to.

00:54:18.700 I'm very focused on my career at the minute and I think dating is a distraction.

00:54:24.840 Um, and I'm...

00:54:25.860 It's so funny.

00:54:26.440 So many people your age say that.

00:54:28.220 I find that quite scary, actually.

00:54:30.760 Because it's so mind-consuming.

00:54:32.420 You know, if you're...

00:54:33.560 If you kind of start to like someone, it's like, oh, God, is he going to text me back?

00:54:38.120 Or...

00:54:38.320 It just takes up so much of my, like, mind space that I hate it.

00:54:43.920 And also, it just affects my feelings so much.

00:54:46.280 You know, maybe if he's texting me to say I'm having a good day.

00:54:48.580 If he doesn't, I'm not, kind of thing.

00:54:51.320 Um, and also, I do just really enjoy being on my own.

00:54:54.560 I'm a very independent person.

00:54:56.140 Um, and also because of my job.

00:54:59.300 That's a huge, big factor.

00:55:00.960 Do you not think that's sort of the point of being alive in a way?

00:55:04.200 Is that, that rush of feeling that you get when you meet someone that you really like?

00:55:08.240 And the connection and the talking and the love?

00:55:10.740 Does that...

00:55:11.220 Do you not want that?

00:55:12.100 Or you just...

00:55:13.040 I still get all that connection from my friends and my family.

00:55:15.780 I think people misjudge friendship connections.

00:55:18.860 And they're a huge part of my life.

00:55:20.880 Look, I accept, like, friendships are very important.

00:55:23.100 And in many ways, when you break up with a friend,

00:55:25.100 when a friendship ends, it can be, if not as painful, even more painful.

00:55:29.920 But I also think that there's something fundamental that you get when you're in a partnership.

00:55:35.300 I just don't think I want that right now.

00:55:37.280 You just don't think you want that right now.

00:55:38.920 Yeah, and I think that's fair to say I'm 23.

00:55:40.860 Yeah, that's fair to say.

00:55:42.240 Totally. I just find...

00:55:43.320 My wife and I got married at 20, so that's why...

00:55:45.620 Oh, really? So young!

00:55:46.980 So that's why I find, like, young...

00:55:48.760 No regrets?

00:55:50.040 Uh, no.

00:55:51.040 Really?

00:55:51.700 I mean, it's been 20-odd years now,

00:55:53.600 so if I had regrets, it would be a bit late, but...

00:55:56.420 You can't be 40.

00:55:57.780 I'm 42.

00:55:59.020 No way.

00:55:59.640 Yeah. She looked at you and went, yeah.

00:56:01.860 You look 42, mate.

00:56:03.240 You look like the years have been hard.

00:56:05.020 Oh, you're 40. That's young.

00:56:06.700 You look great.

00:56:07.740 No, thank you.

00:56:09.160 But no, the point I was going to make is,

00:56:12.180 I'm not talking about you specifically.

00:56:14.380 We have young guys that work for us.

00:56:15.920 I just find it quite depressing that your generation seems to... 1.00

00:56:19.280 For a lot of your generation, this...

00:56:21.280 And it was true of my generation, too, actually, to be fair.

00:56:24.000 A lot of people are just like, oh, no, you shouldn't do.

00:56:26.680 And I'm like, eh.

00:56:27.860 And I think it comes back to the point for us to make,

00:56:29.880 which is, I don't know if it's true for everybody,

00:56:32.080 but I certainly will say for me,

00:56:33.560 it's the single most meaningful thing that I ever did.

00:56:37.560 Yeah, I mean, it probably is.

00:56:40.040 I mean, that's what life's all about,

00:56:41.220 like finding love or whatever.

00:56:43.200 But...

00:56:43.700 Why do you say whatever?

00:56:44.520 It just sounds a bit fruity.

00:56:49.800 So, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:56:51.360 So that's fruity.

00:56:53.100 So getting married to one person at 20 and being together,

00:56:56.320 that's fruity.

00:56:57.380 But I also...

00:56:58.520 What you do, not controversial at all.

00:57:01.960 Fascinating.

00:57:02.920 But I also think your generation was pushed on it so much

00:57:05.780 that that is the whole point of life,

00:57:08.200 is to find someone, settle down, have kids,

00:57:11.720 and you push into it so young when maybe you're not ready,

00:57:14.380 or, you know, you haven't quite found the one,

00:57:16.800 you just kind of think, oh, I'll settle for this person.

00:57:18.480 That's totally fair.

00:57:19.500 That's totally fair.

00:57:20.540 But yeah, I find lots of connections in, like, friendships,

00:57:24.420 and I still do have very, like, personal sex 0.70

00:57:29.180 with, like, guys who I have, like, regular sex with 0.88

00:57:32.000 and stuff like that.

00:57:33.700 So, yeah, I do find time to enjoy myself

00:57:36.920 and, you know, have that intimate time.

00:57:40.160 But that intimate time is purely a physical thing for you

00:57:43.160 at this point.

00:57:44.140 Yeah, yeah, definitely.

00:57:45.340 Yeah.

00:57:45.860 Okay.

00:57:46.880 Do you think there's a small part of yourself

00:57:49.860 and pushback maybe that just is almost kind of scared

00:57:54.680 to go and do that next step?

00:57:57.960 No.

00:57:59.160 No.

00:57:59.620 Because I think it'll come when the time is right

00:58:01.520 and this time isn't now.

00:58:03.700 I'm very much like a...

00:58:05.440 I'm a bit of a hippie, like,

00:58:06.600 but I'm very much on, like, feelings

00:58:08.580 and what is meant for me will be kind of thing.

00:58:12.400 And so...

00:58:13.520 Are you religious or spiritual?

00:58:15.580 No, no.

00:58:16.780 I mean, I'd say, like, maybe a little bit spiritual.

00:58:19.820 Do you believe in karma?

00:58:21.360 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:22.100 You believe in karma?

00:58:22.920 Yeah.

00:58:24.100 Oh, God.

00:58:25.700 Was that the right answer?

00:58:27.680 Well, no, there's no right answer,

00:58:29.380 but I...

00:58:30.580 What do you...

00:58:31.180 Sorry, when you say you believe in karma,

00:58:33.660 what do you think I mean by karma?

00:58:35.640 As in if you do something bad to someone,

00:58:37.820 it'll come back to you in some kind of way.

00:58:40.260 That's one way of saying it.

00:58:41.200 I mean, it might be if you do something good to people,

00:58:43.140 it also will come back to you in some way, right?

00:58:44.780 It's like, what I would guess, what I would...

00:58:46.960 What you put out, you get back.

00:58:48.960 In some way, right.

00:58:50.680 So, you believe in karma.

00:58:53.560 Oh, God.

00:58:54.360 On that basis, right?

00:58:55.460 Yeah.

00:58:57.080 And then, you can see where I'm going with this, right?

00:59:00.660 Go on.

00:59:03.040 Well,

00:59:04.120 what you're doing

00:59:06.800 for your work,

00:59:09.500 do you think that that might echo somehow?

00:59:12.300 But I don't think what I'm doing is wrong.

00:59:14.100 That's the obvious counter-argument

00:59:16.220 that I thought you were going to say.

00:59:17.480 Yeah.

00:59:18.240 So, do you...

00:59:19.180 Do you think that all the people,

00:59:21.800 like everyone else who has a different perspective of that,

00:59:24.980 who does think what you're doing is wrong,

00:59:26.460 do you think that they're all just wrong?

00:59:28.480 I think if it feels right for me,

00:59:33.180 then, you know,

00:59:34.120 I should do it.

00:59:35.360 And I just,

00:59:39.140 I don't see it as being wrong

00:59:40.940 or disgusting or anything like that.

00:59:43.180 And I think as well,

00:59:45.500 maybe it's the community I'm in,

00:59:49.440 is that I know a lot of people

00:59:51.500 who have in this kind of same sex

00:59:54.760 and they're swingers,

00:59:56.560 you know,

00:59:56.760 they're married,

00:59:57.340 but they go out and sleep with other people

00:59:58.960 and things like that.

00:59:59.660 And so, in my world,

01:00:00.660 it is quite casual.

01:00:04.080 Yeah,

01:00:04.520 I think it's just when I take it to the internet,

01:00:06.020 that's when everyone's like,

01:00:07.360 whoa,

01:00:08.860 which I find is crazy.

01:00:09.780 Well, you're taking it to,

01:00:10.920 into mainstream society.

01:00:12.320 And that's why you're here.

01:00:13.080 You asked to come on the show

01:00:13.960 because that's what you want,

01:00:15.160 right?

01:00:15.320 Yeah, definitely.

01:00:15.680 Let's be real.

01:00:16.580 You're trying to get your niche thing

01:00:18.600 into the mainstream

01:00:20.140 to get more attention

01:00:21.840 to promote what you do,

01:00:23.520 right?

01:00:23.680 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:24.100 And then the mainstream goes,

01:00:25.500 oh my God,

01:00:25.960 this is kind of crazy,

01:00:27.600 right?

01:00:28.240 That's what's happening.

01:00:29.300 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:31.420 So,

01:00:32.140 do you think that,

01:00:35.000 do you see what you do

01:00:36.020 as kind of like,

01:00:36.860 almost like performing

01:00:37.820 a valuable service?

01:00:39.880 I don't think it's necessarily a service,

01:00:42.060 but I think it's just

01:00:43.080 a nice act between

01:00:44.520 two or a hundred people,

01:00:46.580 however many you want.

01:00:48.880 What I'm asking is,

01:00:50.260 from the karma,

01:00:51.040 exploring the karma,

01:00:51.840 what do you think

01:00:54.660 the karma of what you do

01:00:56.080 will be?

01:00:58.000 You don't think

01:00:58.780 there's anything wrong with it?

01:00:59.680 No.

01:01:00.360 So,

01:01:00.740 what would be the right karma?

01:01:04.240 What would be

01:01:04.960 the appropriate karma?

01:01:06.000 I think the karma

01:01:07.240 is the fact that

01:01:08.300 I get backlash

01:01:09.600 on the internet.

01:01:11.240 I live my life

01:01:14.180 very differently

01:01:14.740 to if I was to do this.

01:01:16.080 You know,

01:01:16.300 I'm judged

01:01:16.980 and it's going to be

01:01:18.280 a struggle for me

01:01:19.300 to find a partner.

01:01:20.440 I think that is the karma.

01:01:22.780 Do you think

01:01:23.300 that's unfair though?

01:01:24.180 Because if you think

01:01:25.020 you're not doing anything wrong,

01:01:26.300 then why should you

01:01:26.920 suffer all these consequences?

01:01:27.780 I don't think it's unfair.

01:01:29.160 I just think

01:01:29.800 that is how

01:01:31.260 a lot of the population

01:01:33.080 think is that

01:01:34.260 they wouldn't want to

01:01:38.260 settle down with someone

01:01:39.520 who does what I do,

01:01:40.580 which is fine.

01:01:41.480 I think it's totally,

01:01:42.720 totally fine

01:01:43.700 if you have that opinion.

01:01:45.180 Do you think

01:01:46.320 you're just built

01:01:46.880 differently from

01:01:47.640 the average woman, Lily? 0.52

01:01:48.960 I do.

01:01:49.760 I think growing up

01:01:50.840 I realised that a lot

01:01:52.260 is that I was a lot more

01:01:54.040 like hypersexual

01:01:54.980 than a lot of my friends.

01:01:57.980 And because,

01:01:59.160 so how did that manifest?

01:02:01.940 I think when we were going out

01:02:03.940 I was the one

01:02:04.560 who was always sleeping

01:02:05.480 with people,

01:02:06.240 going back with boys,

01:02:08.000 going out on more dates,

01:02:09.880 talking so much about sex.

01:02:11.280 I remember in school,

01:02:12.060 this is before we even had sex 0.92

01:02:13.600 or I even masturbated. 0.98

01:02:15.940 I was just so 0.98

01:02:17.500 obsessed with it.

01:02:20.860 Like,

01:02:21.380 it was so fascinating to me

01:02:22.640 and it still is.

01:02:23.700 So you think

01:02:24.400 what your job is

01:02:27.400 is a product

01:02:27.900 of a very high sex drive?

01:02:29.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.84

01:02:31.280 And I just find sex 0.72

01:02:32.120 so interesting.

01:02:33.060 It's so complex.

01:02:34.560 It's like art

01:02:35.620 and pleasure

01:02:36.460 and there's so much to it.

01:02:38.760 Why is it like art

01:02:39.780 and pleasure?

01:02:40.880 Because

01:02:41.220 I think you are

01:02:42.740 like making art

01:02:43.640 and it's

01:02:44.500 especially,

01:02:45.660 you know,

01:02:45.860 when I'm filming

01:02:46.640 and I'm like producing

01:02:49.220 this

01:02:50.000 this content

01:02:51.900 it's art to me.

01:02:53.540 What,

01:02:53.960 that's because

01:02:54.640 you're not the only person

01:02:55.540 I've heard make this argument.

01:02:56.620 I've got another friend

01:02:57.800 who is 0.99

01:02:58.300 a porn performer 0.82

01:02:59.880 and she says 0.77

01:03:00.920 that's her argument

01:03:01.660 that we're making art.

01:03:03.260 What do you mean by that?

01:03:04.540 You know when you were like

01:03:05.740 taking,

01:03:07.020 I don't know

01:03:07.420 if you guys take

01:03:07.980 Instagram photos

01:03:08.940 or

01:03:10.160 We're not that old.

01:03:11.960 She's calling us older.

01:03:13.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:03:13.900 She's already laughing

01:03:14.640 at my grey hair, mate.

01:03:15.620 It's all good.

01:03:16.700 You have a vision

01:03:18.060 for how you want

01:03:19.360 the content

01:03:19.880 to look

01:03:20.720 and what you want

01:03:22.320 to watch

01:03:22.700 and what you want

01:03:23.300 to see

01:03:23.700 and

01:03:24.060 and to make that

01:03:27.160 is like making art

01:03:28.420 to me.

01:03:29.260 Okay, so

01:03:29.740 Do you know what's scary

01:03:30.540 about this?

01:03:31.260 What?

01:03:31.520 She's talking about

01:03:32.220 making content

01:03:32.900 exactly the way

01:03:33.560 we talk about

01:03:34.300 making content.

01:03:35.100 Let's be honest.

01:03:36.600 Yeah.

01:03:36.940 Right?

01:03:37.500 Because this is the

01:03:38.460 thing that everyone's like

01:03:39.880 the fact is

01:03:42.200 like all the stuff

01:03:43.140 you talk about

01:03:43.880 when it comes

01:03:44.420 to making content

01:03:45.160 I'm like

01:03:45.680 yeah,

01:03:46.340 everyone I know

01:03:46.940 who makes content

01:03:47.660 is exactly like that.

01:03:48.780 You know.

01:03:51.240 The one point

01:03:52.400 I would say

01:03:52.860 about the art point

01:03:53.700 is

01:03:53.980 and see what you think

01:03:55.260 about this.

01:03:55.480 This is art.

01:03:56.540 This is art.

01:03:57.320 Look at my face.

01:03:59.060 I would say

01:04:00.400 the purpose of art

01:04:01.300 is to make you

01:04:02.440 feel something.

01:04:04.320 It's to make you

01:04:04.880 feel something.

01:04:05.620 So, for instance

01:04:06.600 have you seen

01:04:07.100 adolescence?

01:04:08.220 Yeah.

01:04:08.720 Okay, so it's

01:04:09.600 brilliantly acted

01:04:10.360 it's very moving

01:04:11.240 you feel sad

01:04:12.080 at certain points

01:04:12.860 you feel anger

01:04:14.140 you feel empathy

01:04:15.680 all of these

01:04:16.340 range of emotions

01:04:17.140 whilst I would argue

01:04:18.220 that pornography

01:04:18.960 it's only real purpose

01:04:20.580 is to arouse

01:04:21.740 Okay, tell me now.

01:04:23.680 She's shaking her head

01:04:24.320 No, this is like

01:04:25.720 one thing I really

01:04:27.020 get off of

01:04:27.700 and love my job about

01:04:29.100 is the feedback

01:04:31.060 I get from people.

01:04:32.760 Is that, you know

01:04:33.920 I loved when you

01:04:35.080 do this little thing

01:04:36.200 or this point

01:04:37.820 or, you know

01:04:38.860 me and my wife

01:04:39.580 have started

01:04:40.000 watching this together

01:04:40.840 and we're now

01:04:41.360 exploring doing this

01:04:42.540 and I've never

01:04:44.240 tried this before

01:04:45.080 but this is

01:04:45.760 I want to watch it

01:04:46.740 and see what it's like

01:04:47.440 and I love the feedback

01:04:49.700 from it

01:04:50.160 I really like

01:04:51.560 feed off that. 0.98

01:04:53.420 And do you think

01:04:54.500 as well

01:04:55.080 do you think

01:04:56.640 we're quite repressed

01:04:57.440 sexually?

01:04:58.840 Yeah.

01:05:00.000 What makes you say that?

01:05:01.280 I think

01:05:01.580 I think the older

01:05:02.520 generation is

01:05:03.340 I just think

01:05:04.720 it's maybe

01:05:05.000 Why are you looking

01:05:05.780 at me?

01:05:08.780 Well, okay

01:05:09.580 why do you say that?

01:05:11.040 Well, when I come on to

01:05:12.240 not that you guys

01:05:13.520 have hounded me

01:05:14.060 but when I talk

01:05:14.840 to more

01:05:15.600 adults

01:05:17.000 not adults

01:05:17.960 because I'm an adult

01:05:18.840 but when I talk

01:05:19.900 I feel good about myself

01:05:22.120 when I talk to the

01:05:23.300 older generation

01:05:23.940 about what I do

01:05:24.940 you know

01:05:26.140 it's

01:05:26.540 Wait, are you saying

01:05:27.340 there's no one

01:05:27.880 of your generation

01:05:28.720 who has similar views

01:05:30.240 to

01:05:30.500 No, definitely

01:05:31.000 sorry, sorry

01:05:31.780 I just find it

01:05:32.720 more common

01:05:33.760 among the older generation

01:05:35.240 a lot of the younger generation

01:05:36.640 I have people

01:05:37.260 come up to me

01:05:38.020 and they're like

01:05:38.520 oh, you know

01:05:39.300 I love that you're doing that

01:05:40.580 and you're exploring

01:05:41.820 your own body

01:05:42.720 and things like that

01:05:43.740 Is that girls saying that 1.00

01:05:45.020 or boys?

01:05:45.320 Yeah, yeah

01:05:45.960 Girls? 0.96

01:05:46.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah

01:05:47.180 Girls are saying to you 1.00

01:05:48.120 I love that you're

01:05:48.740 exploring your sexuality

01:05:49.960 Yeah, yeah

01:05:50.760 Interesting

01:05:51.180 Yeah, because

01:05:52.520 I do find sometimes

01:05:55.260 the way that we talk

01:05:56.680 about these things

01:05:57.600 there is a large part

01:05:59.700 of hypocrisy there

01:06:00.640 in that

01:06:01.080 you see people

01:06:02.340 particularly men

01:06:03.140 pointing the finger

01:06:03.840 at you going

01:06:04.380 oh, this is this 0.92

01:06:05.340 and this is disgusting 0.51

01:06:06.180 it's like

01:06:06.540 mate, have you never 0.86

01:06:07.300 watched porn? 0.96

01:06:08.780 Yeah, yeah

01:06:09.460 that's the thing

01:06:10.060 as well

01:06:10.460 sometimes the people

01:06:11.400 who are the most

01:06:13.040 oppressed

01:06:13.840 and the ones

01:06:15.540 who are these Christians 0.98

01:06:16.420 are the ones

01:06:17.020 that are watching 0.99

01:06:17.440 the most rough sex 0.96

01:06:18.680 you've ever seen 0.99

01:06:19.440 How do you know that?

01:06:21.420 Because that's

01:06:22.100 what you find

01:06:23.020 is, you know

01:06:23.980 when I'm messaging

01:06:24.900 some of these guys

01:06:25.920 it is usually like

01:06:26.960 the ones who

01:06:27.760 I don't know

01:06:28.900 are vicars

01:06:29.680 or something or another

01:06:30.740 that are wanting

01:06:32.180 to see you get like 0.90

01:06:33.260 gangbanged

01:06:34.640 What?

01:06:35.740 So the vicars

01:06:36.480 contact you?

01:06:37.580 Sorry

01:06:38.020 No, yeah

01:06:39.680 so like over

01:06:40.480 over you see

01:06:41.480 on OnlyFans

01:06:42.240 when you get

01:06:44.520 in contact

01:06:44.880 with these people

01:06:45.580 it can be the people

01:06:47.120 that you least expect

01:06:48.240 That's not

01:06:49.740 an unheard of story

01:06:51.120 to be fair

01:06:51.620 throughout history

01:06:52.340 like

01:06:52.860 it's a stereotype

01:06:54.960 for a reason

01:06:55.680 to be fair

01:06:56.380 the same with

01:06:57.420 like all these 0.99

01:06:58.280 gay bashing 1.00

01:06:59.340 preachers in America 0.99

01:07:00.420 who end up

01:07:01.500 getting caught

01:07:02.100 snorting coke 1.00

01:07:02.960 off a male hooker's ass 1.00

01:07:04.020 or something 1.00

01:07:04.360 in the toilet

01:07:04.940 and it's like

01:07:07.200 maybe if you were

01:07:07.920 just a bit more

01:07:08.940 open about it

01:07:11.380 then you wouldn't

01:07:11.880 feel as oppressed

01:07:12.720 to do the extreme

01:07:13.760 Yeah, but it's hard

01:07:14.380 to be a vicar

01:07:14.920 and do gangbanging

01:07:15.640 It's not easy

01:07:17.360 That was not the conversation

01:07:19.680 I thought I'd be having

01:07:21.220 That has to go in the trailer

01:07:22.460 for this episode

01:07:23.920 Yeah, yeah

01:07:24.400 I imagine that's a hard sell

01:07:25.840 for the congregation

01:07:26.640 mate

01:07:26.920 I reckon we should start

01:07:27.880 heading over to Substack

01:07:28.940 where our audience

01:07:29.500 get to ask you their questions

01:07:30.620 As you know

01:07:31.720 the one question

01:07:33.420 we always end with

01:07:34.720 is what's the one thing

01:07:35.920 we're not talking about

01:07:36.800 that we should be

01:07:37.360 Before Lily answers

01:07:38.780 the final question

01:07:39.580 at the end of the interview

01:07:40.780 make sure to head over

01:07:41.660 to our Substack

01:07:42.500 The link is in the description

01:07:43.960 where you'll be able

01:07:44.880 to see this

01:07:45.880 As someone in porn

01:07:47.420 what is the most important thing

01:07:48.940 someone outside porn

01:07:50.240 should know

01:07:50.800 Are you concerned

01:07:52.700 that by doing

01:07:53.620 what you do

01:07:54.160 you're playing

01:07:54.680 into the stereotype

01:07:55.660 that white girls 1.00

01:07:56.740 are what some of these 0.99

01:07:57.660 abusers called easy meat

01:07:59.100 What's the practical

01:08:00.380 differences between

01:08:01.320 working for yourself

01:08:02.300 versus working for a studio

01:08:03.980 What's the one thing

01:08:05.580 we're not talking about

01:08:06.460 that we should be?

01:08:07.260 Oh, oh my gosh

01:08:08.840 I was thinking about this

01:08:12.640 you know when you said

01:08:13.140 at the start

01:08:13.500 I was like

01:08:13.700 let me try and think

01:08:15.140 of something now

01:08:15.600 and then I just was like

01:08:16.620 oh, what are we

01:08:17.280 It doesn't have to be

01:08:18.700 anything

01:08:19.100 It's just something

01:08:20.980 you think people

01:08:21.880 don't actually talk about

01:08:22.740 enough

01:08:23.080 Um

01:08:24.440 the bukkakis 1.00

01:08:26.160 are really good

01:08:26.820 for your skin

01:08:27.320 Yes, exactly

01:08:30.920 and

01:08:32.320 this is what

01:08:33.220 before we go to Substack

01:08:34.540 this is actually

01:08:35.080 what I was going to

01:08:35.600 ask you about

01:08:35.980 because

01:08:36.280 all the stuff

01:08:38.180 about you sleeping

01:08:39.020 with whoever you want

01:08:39.760 I'm a liberal

01:08:40.920 in that sense

01:08:41.560 like people should 0.97

01:08:42.240 have sex 0.99

01:08:42.660 with whoever they want 1.00

01:08:43.240 I'm very relaxed

01:08:44.280 about it

01:08:44.780 genuinely

01:08:45.280 However

01:08:46.820 you did this

01:08:48.060 come walk thing

01:08:48.900 which

01:08:50.140 I'm going to

01:08:51.880 explain for people

01:08:52.520 you have people

01:08:53.220 come on your face 0.99

01:08:53.860 and then you walk

01:08:54.360 around in public

01:08:55.040 Do you not think

01:08:56.340 that that is where

01:08:57.000 you're actually

01:08:57.400 crossing the line

01:08:58.260 into like

01:08:59.380 you don't know

01:09:00.480 who's looking at you

01:09:01.240 there

01:09:01.500 that's a bit far

01:09:02.260 isn't it?

01:09:02.560 I mean I'll be honest

01:09:03.500 it was just like

01:09:04.420 a little street

01:09:05.240 quite excluded

01:09:06.480 but

01:09:07.280 and I don't

01:09:09.120 think people

01:09:09.700 sorry by that point

01:09:10.940 not to get

01:09:11.400 quite vulgar

01:09:12.240 by that point

01:09:12.800 it got quite watery

01:09:13.660 and I don't think

01:09:14.500 by that point

01:09:15.180 people would even

01:09:15.920 understand what it was

01:09:17.000 Yes

01:09:18.100 but

01:09:19.060 do you

01:09:20.220 do you see

01:09:23.000 my point though?

01:09:24.060 Yeah

01:09:24.260 no I understand

01:09:25.160 that

01:09:25.540 I understand that

01:09:26.180 but it was just

01:09:26.660 a fun little

01:09:27.580 game

01:09:28.560 Well I'm sorry

01:09:29.300 for a room

01:09:29.720 all the time

01:09:30.160 I just saw that

01:09:31.200 Have you never

01:09:31.680 done something

01:09:32.080 a little bit cheeky

01:09:32.860 that maybe

01:09:33.220 you shouldn't have?

01:09:34.420 I have

01:09:35.100 I have

01:09:36.080 You know when you're

01:09:37.420 like a day to go

01:09:38.720 like run all that

01:09:39.260 street naked?

01:09:40.380 No I've never

01:09:40.920 done that

01:09:41.240 No

01:09:41.640 What?

01:09:44.140 Are you saying

01:09:44.680 I'm weird?

01:09:46.260 No you know

01:09:46.880 you're going to be

01:09:47.240 at a party or something

01:09:48.560 having some drinks

01:09:49.260 not that anyone

01:09:49.800 dared me to do that

01:09:50.460 This is why I think

01:09:51.200 you don't understand

01:09:52.060 the difference

01:09:52.460 between men and women 0.90

01:09:53.140 If I ran down

01:09:54.640 the street naked 0.98

01:09:55.260 that would be a sex cry 0.98

01:09:56.360 and I'd be arrested 0.95

01:09:57.600 When you do it

01:09:58.760 it's celebrated

01:09:59.420 and you get lots of money

01:10:00.360 That's the difference

01:10:01.020 between men and women 0.90

01:10:02.040 Well I just think

01:10:04.040 people take things

01:10:05.120 so seriously these days

01:10:06.220 Yes but if you walk

01:10:07.060 around the street

01:10:08.180 in public 1.00

01:10:08.640 with cum on your face 1.00

01:10:09.380 I do see why 1.00

01:10:10.400 they might take it

01:10:11.020 Yeah no I can

01:10:11.860 I can understand

01:10:12.680 why I got bailed

01:10:13.320 actually for that

01:10:13.800 that's fine

01:10:14.280 No I get it

01:10:15.400 Was there a little bit

01:10:16.340 of provocation

01:10:17.140 on your part

01:10:17.800 thinking if I put this out

01:10:19.000 this is going to

01:10:19.520 wind a few people up?

01:10:20.360 I don't

01:10:20.540 No no

01:10:20.960 it's a thing

01:10:21.800 people do in porn 0.95

01:10:22.620 it's called cum walk 0.97

01:10:23.580 sorry

01:10:23.900 It's an actual thing

01:10:26.100 like it's a fetish

01:10:27.380 It's a fetish

01:10:28.320 Yeah yeah yeah

01:10:28.980 See this is the thing 0.95

01:10:30.220 about sex

01:10:30.860 it's just like

01:10:31.520 whenever you think

01:10:32.280 that you know

01:10:32.900 everything

01:10:33.380 it's just like

01:10:34.500 people

01:10:34.820 men are dis

01:10:35.740 alright okay

01:10:36.380 It's not just men

01:10:37.700 Yeah

01:10:38.000 I wasn't the first

01:10:39.300 person to do it

01:10:39.940 it's very

01:10:40.700 Can we ask you

01:10:43.600 not to do that anymore?

01:10:44.600 Yeah

01:10:44.780 Excellent

01:10:45.560 Alright

01:10:45.880 Head on over to

01:10:46.860 Substack

01:10:47.260 where we ask

01:10:47.720 Lily your questions

01:10:48.580 Are you like

01:10:51.460 creating a false

01:10:53.160 perception of women

01:10:54.200 and therefore

01:10:55.140 creating a situation

01:10:56.200 where other women 0.93

01:10:56.920 suffer the effects

01:10:57.760 of your action?

01:10:58.480 Broadway's smash hit

01:11:13.300 The Neil Diamond Musical

01:11:14.600 A Beautiful Noise

01:11:16.120 is coming to Toronto

01:11:17.460 The true story

01:11:18.500 of a kid from Brooklyn

01:11:19.560 destined for something more

01:11:21.100 featuring all the songs

01:11:22.240 you love

01:11:22.860 including America

01:11:23.980 Forever in Blue Jeans

01:11:25.320 and Sweet Caroline

01:11:26.420 Like Jersey Boys 0.99

01:11:27.960 and Beautiful

01:11:28.580 the next musical

01:11:29.740 mega hit is here

01:11:30.860 The Neil Diamond Musical

01:11:32.380 A Beautiful Noise

01:11:33.720 April 28th

01:11:34.800 through June 7th

01:11:35.800 2026

01:11:36.740 The Princess of Wales Theatre

01:11:38.340 Get tickets at

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TRIGGERnometry - May 14, 2025

Lily Phillips： Why I Slept With 101 Men in One Day

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