TRIGGERnometry - July 05, 2020


Mahyar Tousi： ＂The BLM Agenda is Communist＂


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In this episode of Trigonometry, Francis and Constantine are joined by Conservative YouTuber Maya Tusi to discuss her journey to becoming a Conservative Youtuber and how she became one of the most popular YouTubers in the UK.

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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantine Kishin.
00:00:09.620 And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.
00:00:15.200 Our brilliant guest today is a conservative YouTuber, Maya Tusi. Welcome to Trigonometry. 0.99
00:00:19.960 Thank you very much. Thanks for having me.
00:00:21.180 It's good to have you on the show, man. You've been doing some great work in the last few weeks
00:00:25.020 and we're delighted to have you on. But for anyone who doesn't know who you are and what
00:00:28.840 you do just give us a background you've obviously got an interesting backstory um as well tell us
00:00:34.160 who are you how are you where you are what has been the journey that brings you to this very
00:00:38.380 uncomfortable chair right yeah it is quite uncomfortable yeah we do that on purpose yeah
00:00:43.100 yeah and so usually people say conservative youtuber because it's easy obviously to say that
00:00:47.320 uh but i'm it's longer my definition is i'm more of a classical liberal conservative youtuber or
00:00:52.420 libertarian leaning conservative it's very long complicated because i think it goes back to my
00:00:56.360 background so i was actually for those who don't know i was born in iran i came here as a kid my
00:01:00.660 mother was a political refugee uh came to the west obviously our freedom and uh i grew up on a council
00:01:06.740 state in lewisham uh kind of like a typical working class london life and so you downgraded
00:01:11.440 from being in iran yeah you went down i had a relatively middle class family in iran and then
00:01:16.220 yeah and yeah that was that was the first culture shock the second shock was the fact that i came
00:01:20.980 here i thought people in the west will be very proactive positive you know because they have
00:01:26.720 more freedom the area i was living in in southeast london everybody was grumpy everyone was saying
00:01:31.880 this is the worst country ever uh they were just unhappy and i was like well this is not working
00:01:37.380 it is something wrong because you know i was seeing the good things and didn't think of it
00:01:41.600 as the perfect thing but you know things were going well at least we had we were free to leave
00:01:46.480 the house without you know being worried about the police that was before the lockdown
00:01:49.560 are you sure this is lewisham
00:01:53.300 lockdown has brought back some nostalgia yeah i was actually on the tube earlier everybody has
00:01:59.740 to wear masks and but people are just having their masks like hanging around their neck
00:02:04.340 and then if they see an inspector they put it back on it's just like in iran because head
00:02:08.400 scarves are mandatory so women just like leave them hanging when they see a police officer just 1.00
00:02:12.040 Put him back on.
00:02:12.680 Same thing.
00:02:14.660 But yeah, so obviously I came here, went to university, studied finance.
00:02:19.300 And then I realized I don't want to work in finance.
00:02:22.080 It's too boring.
00:02:23.140 So I worked in parliament.
00:02:24.780 Then I realized I don't actually want to work in politics because it's also boring and the money is terrible.
00:02:29.600 But I was political because of my background.
00:02:32.200 So then I just had normal jobs.
00:02:34.420 I did it by working in a pizza shop and everything.
00:02:36.200 Then I started YouTube as a hobby.
00:02:37.580 and this was the moment
00:02:39.960 when the Iranian regime
00:02:41.500 decided to ban me
00:02:42.460 from entering Iran
00:02:43.300 because apparently
00:02:44.040 I am now an MI6 Tory agent
00:02:45.900 if you didn't know
00:02:46.740 so if I go
00:02:47.940 you're not being very
00:02:48.680 covered about it 1.00
00:02:49.520 you're putting your shit 1.00
00:02:51.060 on YouTube 1.00
00:02:51.520 and everyone's watching it
00:02:52.440 the new training
00:02:53.600 we've got is
00:02:54.280 double bluff
00:02:55.100 yeah
00:02:57.080 yeah but we've had
00:02:58.560 some budget cuts
00:02:59.160 in MI5
00:02:59.600 so they banned me
00:03:03.580 so I got angry
00:03:04.340 so I went on YouTube
00:03:05.320 on Facebook
00:03:05.660 made videos
00:03:06.360 and started ranting
00:03:07.180 And my friends were like, just make more videos.
00:03:08.840 So I made videos and then Brexit happened.
00:03:11.040 And then that's when I peaked.
00:03:12.380 And now that's where I am.
00:03:13.820 And you peaked because you were pro-Brexit.
00:03:16.600 Yes.
00:03:17.040 So obviously, after the 2016 referendum, I campaigned for Vote Leave.
00:03:21.580 And we thought, that's it.
00:03:23.480 Victory.
00:03:24.040 Done.
00:03:24.480 Let's move on.
00:03:25.660 Then two years later, we're still stuck.
00:03:28.120 So this is around 2018, 2019, or the end of 2018, when that's when I started doing the YouTube videos again because of Brexit and how Theresa May was a terrible manager.
00:03:36.560 as a leader and that's when a lot of my audience were created because they were sick and tired of
00:03:42.200 the mainstream media they didn't get proper information or update on brexit because they
00:03:46.780 were just repeating the same things so i was trying to give them some more information about
00:03:50.240 like what's actually happening and what i've always been doing with my channel is i'm always
00:03:55.160 open and honest about my leanings and so that i don't pretend to be completely impartial but i
00:04:00.300 always try my best to say i'm being objective these are the facts this is my opinion on these
00:04:04.420 facts but you decide for yourself do your own research whatever you want to do so i think that's
00:04:08.480 what people like and why is it that you have these sort of conservative leanings is was there a 0.87
00:04:14.860 specific moment or is it kind of a evolutionary thing why are you so evil yeah well i hate poor 0.60
00:04:20.680 people no it's not come on no come on it's not evil it's problematic that's what he's problematic
00:04:26.260 i love that word yeah yeah everything constantly says it's problematic no it's true i think it's
00:04:33.200 for a lot of people
00:04:34.240 I know
00:04:34.520 especially younger
00:04:35.360 conservative leaning people
00:04:36.460 usually you meet
00:04:37.240 some people
00:04:37.760 who were left wing
00:04:39.020 or born into
00:04:39.600 a socialist family
00:04:40.260 and they had an awakening
00:04:41.460 or red pill moments
00:04:42.500 or some people
00:04:43.640 just born into
00:04:44.260 a conservative family
00:04:45.000 for me it's kind of neither
00:04:46.260 it was gradual
00:04:48.560 but then deep down
00:04:50.140 I realized
00:04:50.640 it was always in me
00:04:52.540 genetically
00:04:53.040 and also upbringing
00:04:54.080 and everything
00:04:54.600 I'm culturally conservative
00:04:57.600 so when people ask
00:04:58.960 well are you left or right
00:04:59.800 because it's quite vague
00:05:00.680 I would say
00:05:01.280 culturally I'm conservative
00:05:02.480 so i believe in flags border family and economically that's when my my strength is
00:05:08.480 i'm free market capitalist i basically believe in almost no control uh you know you could i could
00:05:14.880 compromise on a very very tiny safety net to make sure that people are still protected and socially
00:05:19.920 i'm a libertarian so i believe you should be able to do whatever you want as long as you don't harm
00:05:23.920 anybody else and and i think it's just been always in me and i think because of my upbringing in
00:05:28.560 in Iran, we were told, you're not allowed to do certain things. So you just want to be free.
00:05:33.180 I think that's how it was created.
00:05:34.860 And do you think we take it, we don't, how can I put it, appreciate freedom in this country?
00:05:40.040 Yeah, we take it for granted massively. It's a cliche. We've always been talking about this
00:05:44.120 for years and decades and everybody, intellectuals from left to right. And we could always talk
00:05:49.560 about like 1984, the book and everything. But it is reality because also not only that people are
00:05:56.160 not grateful for the freedoms they have but they're also not interested in politics but that
00:06:00.340 could be a good thing so in the west when things are relatively well in a society things are
00:06:05.000 generally good you're safe you have a job you have family um people aren't interested in politics
00:06:09.440 they also don't go out to vote properly whereas in in countries like you know iran or other
00:06:14.140 countries that are kind of like russia when they have elections people even know that those votes
00:06:18.900 don't really count they still queue for hours to vote even though they know it's rigged but it's
00:06:24.040 because you know they that's the value that they they want and uh but in the west yeah we take it
00:06:28.600 for granted and i think if we're not careful i mean i'm not one of those pessimistic people but
00:06:32.120 over the next few decades not just yet especially with the woke stuff right now it's a joke but
00:06:37.160 eventually it could get serious and you know we could shoot ourselves in the foot it's a really
00:06:41.680 interesting point you make about appreciating the opportunity and i suspect it's probably a symbol
00:06:46.520 of how successful the west has been in creating a stable society because you talk about russia and
00:06:52.360 Iran and all of these places. Glorious nations. Yes, exactly. Fantastic places to live,
00:06:59.460 unless you have the wrong opinion. But, you know, in those places, the outcome of an election
00:07:06.760 has the potential to radically transform society. In other words, if you have one person,
00:07:14.360 two candidates, one of them will create a society that looks nothing like the other one, right? And
00:07:19.260 And that's why people feel so strongly and passionately about the right to vote.
00:07:22.720 In this country, vote Labour or Tory.
00:07:24.740 It almost feels like nothing will change.
00:07:27.800 And I think that's probably a big part of why people can become quite apathetic.
00:07:31.260 It's a measure of how successful we've been, isn't it?
00:07:33.560 Yeah, and this is the problem.
00:07:35.020 I've even struggled with this because on the one hand,
00:07:37.560 so the British democracy is not full democracy.
00:07:39.840 That's the whole point of the system.
00:07:41.140 The constitutional monarchy, the head of state that we have,
00:07:44.260 is there to keep everything stable.
00:07:46.600 It's there to have the Tories and Labour be centre-left and centre-right, basically boring.
00:07:51.960 Not much will change regardless of how you vote.
00:07:54.000 So that's the objective, which is fine.
00:07:56.160 But I have a problem with that because then you create an establishment that is very complacent.
00:08:00.700 They make the wrong decisions.
00:08:02.520 Ideally, you want a more radical kind of radical options.
00:08:06.060 But then that's also kind of drastic because, you know, you could eventually technically vote for a communist or like Corbyn or whatever.
00:08:12.160 It is a big bit of a risk.
00:08:13.340 But I feel like I'm one of those, my politics, my ideology is I'm a humanite.
00:08:18.880 I do believe in and trust humans.
00:08:20.640 Even if they make mistakes, they're going to have to make the mistake to realize what it is.
00:08:24.800 So I think I'm more than, I prefer to have radical options than just complacency.
00:08:31.540 And I mean, there was a radical option at one point in the last general election,
00:08:35.640 which was a Brexit party, wasn't it?
00:08:37.120 Which obviously is now defunct.
00:08:38.520 But at the time, it was a radical option for a lot, particularly for working class people.
00:08:43.340 who felt disenfranchised.
00:08:45.280 Yeah, I mean, you could say the Brexit Party
00:08:47.120 was the most radical option, for example,
00:08:48.820 but only in a sense that it was more of a wave,
00:08:51.920 not policy-wise.
00:08:53.480 Nine times a policy.
00:08:54.480 It was the whole kind of anti-establishment sort of mentality.
00:08:58.060 And so, you know, it's not necessarily that radical in that sense.
00:09:02.740 But as we just said,
00:09:03.800 it's because when the political system becomes so centralised
00:09:07.320 and complacent and they all look the same, sound the same,
00:09:10.340 walk the same,
00:09:10.800 if something like the Brexit Party
00:09:12.940 comes up, for the British culture
00:09:15.080 that's like radical. The Brexit Party
00:09:16.900 for the rest of the world
00:09:18.880 in Europe, that's like tiny and like
00:09:20.520 moderate and like very nice. They didn't say anything
00:09:22.840 too bad. They didn't say anything that crazy.
00:09:25.020 Well, one of the controversial policies was to
00:09:26.700 scrap HS2, which I believe in.
00:09:29.700 So yeah.
00:09:30.680 And one of the interesting things to me, you talk about
00:09:32.720 you know, you believe in borders.
00:09:34.380 So you basically agree with the people who created
00:09:36.700 Chop and Chaz. They seem
00:09:38.900 to found the new belief in borders all of a sudden, right?
00:09:41.880 But it always boggles my mind
00:09:44.320 that people think that's like a controversial idea
00:09:47.120 because actually a lot of first-generation immigrants like us
00:09:50.100 who came here under the existing legal system
00:09:53.560 don't support people who come here illegally 1.00
00:09:56.440 or in very large numbers
00:09:57.560 because we recognize that, you know,
00:09:59.380 people need to come here, they need to integrate,
00:10:01.180 they need to become part of society,
00:10:02.540 they need to learn the language.
00:10:03.880 And when you get a mass wave of immigration,
00:10:05.960 that sometimes prevents that from happening.
00:10:07.620 And it's not a criticism of those people or a rejection of them.
00:10:10.900 It's just recognizing human reality, isn't it?
00:10:13.300 Yeah, and then we get called that we're taking away the ladder that we use.
00:10:16.240 It's not the case.
00:10:17.680 In reality, the way I see politics, I know people use that example,
00:10:22.120 Margaret Thatcher saying economics, fiscal conservatism is basically good housekeeping.
00:10:28.760 But politics, I always also see it just like how you see your personal life,
00:10:32.440 just life in general on a basic level.
00:10:34.280 you have a home and the house has a door and walls and ceiling that's your country as well
00:10:39.960 that's that's your tribe because people are tribal and tribe starts from home and then your
00:10:44.920 neighborhood and then your social circle friends and then your city and then your country and then
00:10:49.460 your planet that's just how it is um and when we say for example first generation migrants when
00:10:56.400 they are or even second generation when they talk about borders people on the left say well that
00:11:01.440 means you're now a fascist or you're basically you're pandering to the people who hate you
00:11:06.400 secretly but no one said close down the borders and this is why you're going to set like chas and 0.97
00:11:11.520 all these like lefties who are being exposed because the hypocrisy is that um well two days
00:11:17.180 ago they were saying that uh both in america trump and in the uk uh we've had police funding
00:11:23.020 in the budget how dare you the crime's going up and then two minutes later they said defund the
00:11:27.140 police pick a side guys and it's a weird situation yeah and why do you think the term patriotic has
00:11:33.660 become such a dirty word for there's particularly people on the left because you know we we i was
00:11:39.340 born here you came here so did constantine it's a great country i have a lot majority of the
00:11:44.600 countries it's one of the best why is it bad to be proud to be british it is a very i know most
00:11:50.520 countries in the west are having this problem but it's very specifically a british problem
00:11:53.960 because in America,
00:11:56.160 if you ignore the last four years of Trump,
00:11:59.740 because even right now,
00:12:01.560 even Democrats are patriotic.
00:12:03.340 They use the flag and everything.
00:12:05.280 Putting aside Germany, 0.99
00:12:06.480 because that's a very exceptional case,
00:12:07.960 even in France and all the countries,
00:12:10.660 the Netherlands,
00:12:11.360 they are very patriotic.
00:12:12.740 They're also very liberal
00:12:13.860 and they're very, obviously,
00:12:15.140 like, you know, Europhile,
00:12:16.120 but they are very patriotic.
00:12:18.460 It's a very British problem 1.00
00:12:19.360 because of the culture,
00:12:20.520 because the Brits,
00:12:22.320 since the days of anglo-saxons and then obviously you had the kings and england and then the british
00:12:27.400 empire the whole concept of the britishness or the englishness at the time was simply to just
00:12:33.520 get out there explore the world which was to expand and then obviously the empire came and
00:12:37.500 trade across the world so and then now the commonwealth which is the same thing
00:12:41.360 they jumped to the next step like forget about just patriotism for the country don't say ignore
00:12:48.440 but we could now just be internationalists. And then now that that's all over,
00:12:54.280 a lot of people struggle to defend British values. So if you ask a generic Politico,
00:13:00.040 usually you get it from Lib Dems or Labour, it was British, and they say, oh, like tolerance.
00:13:05.000 What on earth is tolerance? Firstly, people who think that tolerance is a good idea
00:13:11.880 over acceptance, that's bad. I mean, firstly, it's good, it should be there.
00:13:16.040 Because, you know, if you say something, like, you know, idiotic that I don't like. 0.98
00:13:19.420 I like how you pointed at me. 0.99
00:13:21.120 I was just about to say it's right.
00:13:23.020 I should tolerate it.
00:13:24.220 I don't have to accept it.
00:13:25.300 But that's, you know, it's your free speech.
00:13:27.020 It's also my right to just tolerate you, not to be bad against you.
00:13:30.900 Because that's what you believe in.
00:13:32.320 Tolerance is fine.
00:13:33.280 But when people use it as a triumph over acceptance, because I think what they mean is we're welcoming and accepting, but they say tolerance.
00:13:41.120 So yeah, Britishers have struggled in terms of defending the values that we have, and that's why even I sometimes struggle.
00:13:48.120 I always try to differentiate between patriotism and nationalism, and also globalism and internationalism.
00:13:55.120 So in my view, international means that obviously you still believe in free trade and cooperating with your allies,
00:14:01.120 but globalism in the sense that you believe in international bodies,
00:14:04.120 and then like the United States of Europe running your country and other countries, yeah, I'm against that.
00:14:10.120 Right. It's about working together with other nations as opposed to eroding national identity and national sovereignty.
00:14:17.120 Never surrender.
00:14:19.040 That makes sense. But it's interesting.
00:14:20.660 And I'm curious to ask you this question because I remember a couple of years ago making a very similar point to a comedian,
00:14:27.400 may even have been a friend of mine.
00:14:31.160 And I remember saying to him, well, I think it's important that we recognize that Britain has a certain set of values.
00:14:36.580 and like you know there's such a thing as british values and we must kind of and he was like what
00:14:41.060 are you talking about there's no such thing as british values and i'm going like how can this
00:14:45.540 i don't you can't survive as a civilization if you don't have any sense of what your values are
00:14:50.780 can you no you you do need to be self-aware um and it's not i mean we did criticize the whole
00:14:57.260 the struggle with the british values a lot of people have to be fair that people in france and
00:15:01.920 other countries also have that struggle like i was talking to an italian friend who's thinking
00:15:05.960 that their values are just basically
00:15:07.640 getting rid of the Roman Empire.
00:15:09.600 It's like, well, did you do it?
00:15:10.700 And also, like, you know, food.
00:15:12.400 Like, I don't think food is your value.
00:15:14.380 It definitely is, man.
00:15:16.220 Well, in terms of, yeah,
00:15:17.040 the way you deal with it
00:15:18.000 and its language and everything.
00:15:19.520 But I think when it comes to British values,
00:15:21.960 it should be a lot easier to defend
00:15:23.880 or explain what they are
00:15:24.800 because they are out there.
00:15:26.620 So, you know, it's more visible,
00:15:28.080 not visible in that sense,
00:15:28.940 but like you have the modern structure
00:15:31.020 of democracy came from here.
00:15:32.920 The values of free trade came from here
00:15:35.000 because they had to get out there.
00:15:36.700 As I said, they had to go explore.
00:15:38.380 And the modern version of justice
00:15:41.800 in terms of the law and order came from here.
00:15:44.740 And there's a lot of, I mean,
00:15:46.460 and you could then talk about all the trivial stuff.
00:15:49.200 And like, you know, we were talking about food earlier,
00:15:50.680 like Italy, but, you know, language, humor,
00:15:54.240 like all the things that, you know,
00:15:55.260 how you are with your neighbors, attitude,
00:15:58.600 the whole self-replicating stuff,
00:15:59.980 the whole kind of be polite.
00:16:01.300 Even if you want to be like in a very direct
00:16:03.440 and say, I hate you. 0.96
00:16:04.240 And I keep looking at you. 1.00
00:16:05.760 I hate you.
00:16:07.540 But, you know, just be more civil and be more civilized.
00:16:10.540 These are our values.
00:16:11.820 And why do you think that we can't embrace and love the fact that we're British
00:16:15.680 and it's seen as a dirty thing in this country?
00:16:20.020 We've been brainwashed with using our education system for decades.
00:16:23.900 The only history that we actually learn in this country,
00:16:27.120 apart from the ancient times, it's just about the Greeks and the Romans
00:16:30.360 and a couple of things.
00:16:31.420 First, no one talks about the Persian Empire, the first empire.
00:16:34.240 it's very selective the way history is taught
00:16:38.000 then they skip from the ancient times
00:16:40.180 they skip most of it
00:16:41.820 and they come closer to basically after the 1500s, 1600s
00:16:46.080 and then the empire
00:16:46.740 and all you see and all you're taught is
00:16:49.740 the bad things that come across as bad
00:16:51.880 it's the moment when the west became powerful
00:16:54.900 so the west in history books
00:16:57.340 always been seen as superior
00:16:59.960 and now we have to feel guilty about it
00:17:02.340 because it's now our fault
00:17:04.080 I forget about the time, but there was a time when Europe,
00:17:06.620 Western Europe, was just full of villages
00:17:08.380 and people were just eating with their hands.
00:17:10.480 And it was the Middle East and the East that had civilization.
00:17:13.940 Medicine, architecture, mathematics,
00:17:15.860 all invented by those Muslim empires that occupied that space. 0.95
00:17:19.900 But you're right, we don't ever get taught about it.
00:17:22.660 I'm not sure if they're having a conversation about slavery
00:17:25.140 in the Muslim world at the moment.
00:17:26.500 They had a little bit of that, I've heard.
00:17:30.140 So we seem to be taking a very one-sided approach
00:17:33.020 into history is what you're saying, really.
00:17:35.980 And speaking of all of that stuff in history,
00:17:39.040 you've done some reporting, if you like,
00:17:41.300 because what you've really tried to do, I think, more recently
00:17:43.460 is to look at what's actually happening on the ground
00:17:47.520 and present, because I think you're right,
00:17:50.800 a lot of people don't trust the mainstream media anymore.
00:17:53.360 And we've seen it over the last couple of weeks,
00:17:55.420 obviously it was laughed and mocked to death,
00:17:58.220 the largely peaceful protests which injured 27 police officers.
00:18:02.380 all of that stuff so you actually covered the blm protest in london tell us a bit about that
00:18:08.080 yeah so firstly i got there slightly later uh that both sides were divided i accidentally ended up on
00:18:13.800 the blm side as i was walking then we had well you'd fit in man just visually but my sorry just
00:18:20.320 explain about where where it was what city you're in oh yeah so essentially uh there was a massive
00:18:26.000 protest in westminster in central london okay parliament uh this was a day when there was
00:18:30.800 supposed to be counter-protests against BLM.
00:18:33.100 So the people who were trying to
00:18:34.920 defend the statues. And that was a
00:18:36.880 coalition of various groups.
00:18:39.260 So you just had some random people,
00:18:40.760 just like ordinary people, and you had some
00:18:42.580 veteran groups. You had your typical
00:18:44.800 football lads. You did have a
00:18:46.840 small group of actual crazies who were just
00:18:48.760 causing chaos in the morning, but they all left.
00:18:51.800 But the media
00:18:52.860 only talked about them, saying that they're all basically
00:18:54.920 far-right or whatever.
00:18:56.480 And then you still had the Black Lives Matter 0.98
00:18:58.420 slash Antifa.
00:19:00.800 And even in that group, you still had a lot of random kids, you know, just being dragged there because they thought it was a good cause.
00:19:07.100 Obviously, they didn't they don't know much about the organization.
00:19:10.560 But then primarily you had massive activists who've been doing this for years.
00:19:14.340 They used to. It's like young Jeremy Corbyn, for example.
00:19:16.640 You know, they love that sort of stuff.
00:19:18.520 But I was there and the mainstream media were even the police.
00:19:22.080 But it was very interesting.
00:19:23.800 The police on the BLM side, there was a massive divide.
00:19:27.700 You had your typical standard community support police officers.
00:19:30.800 genuinely and then you have the other side you had this like riot squad yeah and and again
00:19:36.760 surprisingly oh unsurprisingly most of the violence actually came from the other side
00:19:41.260 um i'm not even defending any side right now i'm just being objective because you know the
00:19:45.580 anti-blm side let's just say they did cause some chaos in the beginning they were randomly attacking 0.77
00:19:49.780 the police for some reason um and but we've seen the pictures we've seen the videos also the reports
00:19:55.540 from hospitals and all the people who got attacked were attacked by the blm side or antifa side
00:20:01.000 um and but it wasn't really reported um so that's what i try to do and and what i try to be objective
00:20:09.700 sometimes i've angered my own side sometimes i criticize my own side or the conservative
00:20:14.840 government for example um but you know i don't care like because you know if you have to tell
00:20:18.560 the truth you just have to tell the truth so just to be clear for anyone who may have not followed
00:20:22.740 that necessarily in its entirety what you're saying is you were at the protest and your opinion
00:20:27.800 is that most of the violence was instigated by the blm associated groups rather than the because
00:20:35.500 with the pictures that i saw and i don't know what happened i wasn't there but my impression was you
00:20:39.920 had these football hooligan groups who were attacking the police in the morning throwing
00:20:43.800 stuff at them nazi salutes as well nazi salute nazi salutes right that apparently happened well
00:20:48.920 Although that didn't, I mean, firstly, I didn't see it.
00:20:51.580 And also the videos that they said these are Nazis to lose.
00:20:54.100 They were just like literal football fans that do the kind of like this.
00:20:58.200 And then the videos on Twitter that people shared saying these are Nazis to lose.
00:21:01.920 And Gary Lineker, who's in football, he knows exactly what it is.
00:21:05.400 That's where he got a tag saying, do you know that's not a Nazis to lose? 0.63
00:21:08.180 But obviously there were people who would do that.
00:21:10.020 I'm not saying there weren't.
00:21:10.900 There would definitely be some people who would believe in that.
00:21:14.260 And I'm not saying that the majority of the Black Lives Matter activists cause violence.
00:21:18.920 they were largely peaceful yeah oh yeah i mean genuinely what i mean well peaceful in the sense
00:21:22.920 that they were still causing chaos they're still shouting they're still throwing things yeah sure
00:21:26.200 yeah and and but the majority of the violence happened from the vienna side that's yeah that's
00:21:30.280 different yeah that's interesting so why do you think uh anyone who was reading the newspapers
00:21:34.760 or watching the news would have got a different impression so some people say the media are
00:21:39.480 purposefully biased um some people would go like with actual conspiracy theories that you know oh
00:21:44.040 Oh, they're obviously funded by, like, you know, obviously Marxists.
00:21:46.800 And I mean, if I find evidence, I'll be fine.
00:21:49.140 But I would go with the fact that they are absolutely completely out of touch.
00:21:53.820 The mainstream media, these organizations, whether it's the BBC or anyone, like even Sky,
00:21:58.040 they are very, very proactive when it comes to diversity of, you know,
00:22:02.140 finding staff members who are like in a different skin color or different genders.
00:22:06.300 But in terms of their diversity of thought or actual values, they're all the same.
00:22:11.320 They've all gone to Oxbridge.
00:22:12.460 They've all gone to the same school.
00:22:13.440 they've all obviously like you know went to private schools and boarding school they've all
00:22:16.400 had the same kind of uh kind of groups and they all believe in the same things which is you know
00:22:22.140 essentially big government the control freaks like nanny states and it's it's difficult to be
00:22:29.280 impartial if everybody in the organization believes in the same thing and this is why i'm
00:22:34.600 kind of against actually the the concept of um completely impartial news i would rather
00:22:42.340 have news outlets
00:22:44.280 who are open about their biases
00:22:46.200 of what they are
00:22:46.920 and like left, right, up, down and everything
00:22:49.200 and people could obviously decide for themselves.
00:22:51.660 You could still have a concept like the BBC
00:22:53.200 but if they become completely dry
00:22:56.320 and just report, very boring,
00:22:58.500 just give out the stats,
00:22:59.900 like fact check or whatever.
00:23:01.640 But obviously no one would watch it
00:23:02.760 because it's not interesting.
00:23:03.840 That's the problem with it.
00:23:05.180 But Maya, don't you also think as well
00:23:07.480 it's that because our media is very left-leaning
00:23:10.780 isn't it sort of career death or suicide to come out and go well i don't really agree with
00:23:17.960 the black lives matter organization or i don't really agree with the way they conducted themselves
00:23:22.880 or there were acts of violence and thuggery on this particular side yeah so this is exactly
00:23:27.960 what happens not just with the media with brands right now companies the so-called capitalist
00:23:33.240 companies like netflix and well premier league and sky and they seem to be afraid like the media that
00:23:40.780 their audience, the audience on this planet or in the West are generally liberal left.
00:23:45.960 That's not the reality. And again, it's because we've been brainwashed by the education and the
00:23:52.820 media thinking, for example, the whole country is like London. London is not the UK, firstly,
00:23:57.280 it's not the representative of the UK, like New York is not representative of America.
00:24:01.480 But this is all you see. And it's like, you know, when you watch Hollywood movies,
00:24:05.540 like the American movies, everything's the same. But when you go to actual America,
00:24:09.060 deep america people don't look like that people don't live like that and it is going to backfire
00:24:14.740 my point is for example if netflix are censoring their own stuff if if sky are permanently becoming
00:24:20.800 really woke like their audience of football lads like they are gonna like lose revenue they're
00:24:26.960 gonna lose their supporters and uh it's happened with gillette last year when they did this woke
00:24:32.040 adverts uh for their product and they lost a lot of revenue and ironically they're supporting black 0.99
00:24:37.500 lives matter whose agenda is to bring down capitalism so the first people they go after
00:24:41.060 is the same company so it's weird and when you were there and you're with the the protesters
00:24:46.260 didn't a lot of them i imagine a lot of them were just you know kids young people you know who wanted
00:24:51.420 to make a difference all very very noble but they didn't really understand what blm is or their
00:24:56.800 political goals no i would say i don't know if i should say it but my sister she's 17 and she's
00:25:02.780 currently one of their supporters like in terms of the cause yeah and so this is the this is all
00:25:07.240 the other thing so there is the blm organization there's also the movement and then there's the
00:25:13.580 cause people forget about the actual that there are three so some people say i believe the movement
00:25:17.620 no i don't even believe in the movement because the organization the agenda whether you're lucky
00:25:22.760 or not is communist that's that's what it is the movement is about identity politics and the cause
00:25:28.980 anti-racism well we should all be anti-racist i believe in that that's fine and i will fight
00:25:33.940 racism if i see case by case you know whatever and i don't believe that there is institutional
00:25:38.900 racism in this country that's the that's what the movement tells you and uh yeah there are a lot of
00:25:44.040 people who especially young kids who are there who you know that well that's where they're fed
00:25:48.080 you know if a police officer in america is brutal against someone well it's definitely because that
00:25:53.540 that police officer is racist but did you read his mind obviously there are individual racist
00:25:58.120 police officers but you know first you need evidence because the data that came out that
00:26:03.640 police officers in america killed back in 2018 killed nine unarmed black people but also 19
00:26:11.500 unarmed white people so that's just one piece of data and there was also other data that should
00:26:15.920 prove that there's a problem with police brutality not necessarily they're all racist or they have a
00:26:22.100 racist guidelines and they just go after black people doesn't it's not true i think another
00:26:25.880 question that and by the way i really appreciate the way you've separated the movement the
00:26:30.280 organization and and the cause and the cause i think that's a really good thing and that makes
00:26:34.760 a lot of sense because everybody supports the cause everybody supports uh ending racism or
00:26:40.320 preventing racism from happening uh but and i think a lot of people don't want to go down
00:26:45.860 that intellectual route of finding out what the the cause and the organization but it's not just
00:26:51.920 I think it's more than that.
00:26:53.580 I think I've found myself saying to people, okay, you say you support Black Lives Matter, and I support being against racism.
00:26:59.820 I completely support that.
00:27:00.740 But have you had a look at what the organization actually stands for?
00:27:05.180 And they go, no, send me the link.
00:27:07.280 So I send them the link, and then I don't hear back.
00:27:09.860 And I think part of that is if you are given that information and you ingest it and you're intellectually honest, then you go, well, I can't support this, therefore I no longer support Black Lives Matter.
00:27:25.220 And then people don't want to go down that route.
00:27:27.600 It's true.
00:27:28.020 And then you find out you're Russian.
00:27:29.220 Exactly.
00:27:31.340 Russian fed information.
00:27:32.540 Exactly.
00:27:33.720 People just, I think a lot of people are just terrified.
00:27:36.860 It's also the fault of both sides.
00:27:38.620 I don't know if I should say both sides, but all sides on every political debate, because
00:27:42.380 because humans are tribal, and it's literally like supporting a football club when it comes
00:27:47.340 to political cause for some reason, whereas like, you know, for example, Brexit as a topic
00:27:50.880 was supposed to be quite, well, dry and boring.
00:27:53.540 It's the concept of Brexit is supposed to be, who do you want to do your paperwork, the
00:27:57.540 building in Westminster or the building in Brussels, these admins, it's a very bureaucratic
00:28:01.860 thing, but obviously it became more interesting and sexy, so people took sides like football
00:28:05.920 teams.
00:28:06.140 same thing with this
00:28:07.280 the problem is
00:28:08.200 both sides
00:28:08.960 whether you're anti
00:28:10.100 or pro BLM
00:28:10.820 as an organization
00:28:12.140 they just shout at each other
00:28:14.700 so if
00:28:15.540 you had someone
00:28:16.640 coming to you
00:28:17.320 pro BLM
00:28:18.200 saying
00:28:18.620 can you
00:28:19.080 well prove to me
00:28:20.120 that I'm wrong
00:28:20.620 usually you would say
00:28:21.940 as an anti BLM
00:28:23.060 let's just say
00:28:23.480 that person would say
00:28:24.280 well it's because
00:28:25.120 you're all commies 0.97
00:28:25.640 that wouldn't help 0.82
00:28:26.640 if you're kind of
00:28:28.540 slightly more civilized
00:28:29.560 and be like
00:28:29.960 this is the fact
00:28:31.260 I'll leave it to you
00:28:32.600 just whatever
00:28:33.420 and if they come back
00:28:34.440 then you could shout
00:28:35.040 I literally gave you the information
00:28:38.080 and I think this is the problem 1.00
00:28:40.140 but the cause, I mean even the movement, it's idiotic 0.99
00:28:42.080 it's like going down the street and saying the sky is blue 1.00
00:28:43.940 well done
00:28:45.360 people like babies, well yeah we all do 1.00
00:28:48.160 it's idiotic 1.00
00:28:49.760 but the thing I was going to ask 0.99
00:28:51.720 and it's good that you've explained it, the thing I was going to ask
00:28:53.980 about it is, and it's a question
00:28:55.920 I haven't heard anyone
00:28:58.020 ask or anyone explain the answer to
00:28:59.960 is why do you think
00:29:01.900 we're having these protests
00:29:03.740 in this country about something that happened in America?
00:29:08.120 Why are people in Brazil protesting about this?
00:29:11.120 Why are people protesting all around the world
00:29:13.580 about this one incident that happened in the United States?
00:29:17.040 Why is it that we do that?
00:29:18.920 It's because people think it's as lazy as,
00:29:22.360 oh, America just exports things to us,
00:29:23.800 but like Halloween and everything.
00:29:25.340 But it's not just that.
00:29:26.280 It's the same reason that when, for example,
00:29:29.600 someone like Trump became president,
00:29:31.700 you've had massive protests in London
00:29:34.080 whereas if
00:29:35.480 when President Xi became president
00:29:37.900 in China, he didn't have any protests because
00:29:39.660 so if I were
00:29:42.000 to like put myself in the shoes of the left
00:29:44.080 they think that they have
00:29:45.800 high standards of the West
00:29:47.760 they have high expectations
00:29:49.800 from the West and this is
00:29:51.900 surprisingly, ironically kind of racist
00:29:54.080 because they're putting the Americans and the Brits
00:29:56.020 in the same category, because you look the same
00:29:58.160 and you have the same language so you are the same
00:29:59.900 and surprisingly Americans are very different to Europeans and so if they look different Americans
00:30:06.140 like as a in terms of the masses the skin color and also had different language I don't think you
00:30:11.560 could they could have said that it's because they generally look white and they speak English
00:30:15.640 they put us in the same category and every single time there's a debate in America
00:30:19.420 we get stuck in it as well and it's not just us you know Canada and you know obviously certain
00:30:25.180 in other countries, Scandinavia sometimes.
00:30:27.440 Whereas you're right, if people read,
00:30:29.900 it's like Extinction Rebellion with environment.
00:30:32.200 We are doing really well in this country
00:30:34.180 in terms of being pro-environmental,
00:30:36.860 whether you like it or not.
00:30:37.660 That's what the government agenda is.
00:30:38.880 They're doing really well.
00:30:39.760 Everything's very clean and green.
00:30:41.860 There are problems in Asia, India and China.
00:30:44.560 Go there.
00:30:45.340 But they don't do that.
00:30:48.060 And do you think, Maya,
00:30:49.020 that what the BLM protests did
00:30:51.140 is that it exposed that we have weak leadership
00:30:53.600 in this country,
00:30:54.780 particularly with Boris Johnson,
00:30:56.100 because I didn't see him
00:30:57.240 really make a stand
00:30:58.360 for a long, long time
00:30:59.560 when everything was kicking off.
00:31:01.640 Yeah, I mean,
00:31:02.840 with the short-term problems
00:31:04.140 of letting these,
00:31:05.760 basically, anarchists
00:31:07.160 go around and do
00:31:07.840 whatever they want,
00:31:08.820 absolutely weak leadership.
00:31:10.820 And Boris's government,
00:31:12.840 the whole cabinet,
00:31:13.680 Downing Street,
00:31:14.280 have been very late
00:31:16.100 to everything recently.
00:31:17.620 Every decision.
00:31:19.220 Been late.
00:31:19.800 Even with the lockdown,
00:31:20.680 it took them ages
00:31:21.040 to decide if they're going
00:31:21.660 to do it or not.
00:31:22.440 And then with their schools,
00:31:23.600 Like, can he go back to schools?
00:31:24.780 No, we won't.
00:31:25.320 Okay, just decide.
00:31:27.080 Everything was like this.
00:31:28.380 And I think especially ever since he came back from hospital,
00:31:31.260 he hasn't been himself.
00:31:32.480 But that's one issue.
00:31:34.500 There has been weak leadership in the West
00:31:36.280 when it comes to tackling these things.
00:31:38.180 But this is the recent one.
00:31:39.380 We've had things like this before.
00:31:40.800 Again, you had the Anaco Green people protesting before 1.00
00:31:45.000 and just did a lot of things.
00:31:46.140 They shut down the city airport in London.
00:31:49.420 But I think the weakness,
00:31:51.220 the biggest weakness we have is intellectual weakness.
00:31:53.600 and again you can't fix it overnight but you could use generation over generation to do it but we
00:32:00.700 can't because education system is and academia is dominated by the liberal left and people who are
00:32:06.780 right-wing usually either don't want to be teachers they just want to live their own lives and make
00:32:10.720 money or whatever and or they get ousted then they get kicked out see the thing is i i know that
00:32:16.940 someone who's a conservative you're coming at it from that kind of angle right versus left
00:32:20.900 I actually don't necessarily see it that way.
00:32:23.520 I think what's happened in academia is the far left have squeezed everyone else out.
00:32:28.500 So it's not a question of the right fighting the left in universities.
00:32:32.160 I think what it's a question of is everyone being squeezed out by a crazy fringe.
00:32:38.600 I don't think, you know, we have many people from the left on the show, people like Paul Embry, the socialist, Labour Party, lifetime member, etc., who has nothing in common with these people.
00:32:50.100 And I think that's really the issue
00:32:51.540 that people are going to have to confront
00:32:52.680 is it's not in the interest of the left
00:32:54.760 to be represented by these people, is it?
00:32:57.780 Yeah, that's the thing.
00:32:58.320 I mean, you just made a good point.
00:32:59.560 Yeah, so to clarify,
00:33:00.820 when I talk about the left,
00:33:01.780 I am actually, yes,
00:33:02.680 talking about the hard left.
00:33:04.680 And that's the problem.
00:33:05.740 You just pointed out the problem.
00:33:06.620 Even if someone like me says the left,
00:33:09.400 I'm basically generalizing all of them.
00:33:11.120 Right, the racist.
00:33:12.540 Yeah, because, oh yeah, absolutely. 0.62
00:33:14.800 I'm a sidest.
00:33:16.220 You're a sidest, yeah. 0.90
00:33:17.100 But yeah, because the rest of the left,
00:33:19.400 or the center, which I don't believe in center,
00:33:21.440 but the moderate left or the liberals.
00:33:24.780 Yeah, the problem I have with them
00:33:26.360 is just they're all big government control freaks.
00:33:29.860 But yeah, the actual heart,
00:33:31.540 which is a very more intellectual side,
00:33:34.500 but also becomes very violent,
00:33:36.760 like intellectually violent.
00:33:39.460 What does that mean, intellectually violent?
00:33:41.760 So they are exactly the opposite of my philosophy,
00:33:44.520 which is, as I said, I'm a humanite.
00:33:45.820 I believe in everything,
00:33:46.980 every single thing we should do,
00:33:48.260 every policy every direction with politics should be towards um humanity and not in a sense of
00:33:57.220 compassion that's the problem we have people on the left well actually general left have the
00:34:03.380 platform of compassion and good intentions and say because we care about humans we should take
00:34:07.860 money from that person and give it to someone else um like no no the values of basic values
00:34:12.900 of humanity which is freedom don't tell people what to do no coercion and opportunity and justice
00:34:19.540 just go with those values and every single thing that we do every policy should be to make sure
00:34:26.020 you're not taking anyone's freedom you're making sure that no one's getting harmed by someone else
00:34:30.740 and just let them be opportunities there to do whatever they want to do and whereas the when i
00:34:37.200 that are intellectually violent
00:34:39.220 is they are essentially
00:34:40.980 every single idea
00:34:43.340 that they have, ironically,
00:34:45.660 even though it's there to help
00:34:46.880 people, they think they are there to help people,
00:34:49.180 but it's actually very, very anti-human,
00:34:51.660 anti-human instincts.
00:34:54.020 And that's the problem
00:34:55.000 with Marxism or cultural Marxism,
00:34:57.520 whatever you want to call it,
00:34:58.720 that supposedly they're supposed to be
00:35:01.340 coming up with all these ideas to help
00:35:03.260 humanity, but they become so
00:35:05.120 tribal that
00:35:07.200 They're not defending humans anymore.
00:35:08.760 They're defending their ideology.
00:35:10.800 And, Maya, you said that you don't believe in the center.
00:35:13.440 Now, Konstantin describes himself as a centrist.
00:35:15.760 Can you explain to him in 300 words or less why he's wrong?
00:35:20.980 Yeah, it's like bisexuals. 1.00
00:35:25.080 That's controversial.
00:35:28.040 Well, it's like people who mix tea and coffee together.
00:35:29.940 No, I get the concept of why people see.
00:35:34.260 Because, as I said, the way I describe myself,
00:35:37.200 and it's a bit of a pick and mix sort of thing so yeah it's more of a i would change the word
00:35:42.080 centered with pick and mix because you can't be a puritan conservative or puritan liberal or
00:35:47.760 socialist and i don't think they exist some some exist and and the it's intolerable because you
00:35:53.840 know yes you could be you know culturally conservative but you know socially liberal
00:35:57.760 or whatever so people think that's the center by the center i don't mean people who have
00:36:02.960 beliefs that are innocent i'm talking about like political parties or the agenda yeah it's not
00:36:07.040 It's not an ideology.
00:36:07.940 It's not.
00:36:08.520 It's not trying to make the center ground doesn't exist.
00:36:10.660 It's a black hole.
00:36:11.580 No, I agree with you.
00:36:12.340 Like, what I mean when I say I'm in the center
00:36:14.320 is that I have some conservative policies or views.
00:36:17.360 I have some liberal views.
00:36:18.860 It's just a mixture of the two.
00:36:20.780 And therefore, I don't feel like I'm part of the center right
00:36:23.920 or the center left.
00:36:24.860 It's just a mixture. 1.00
00:36:25.960 So fuck you. 1.00
00:36:28.620 Welcome to the last episode of Trigonometry. 1.00
00:36:30.860 but we always talk about uh you know going back to racism that we live in a deeply racist country
00:36:39.740 uh and you know and it's propagated by people on the left and you know you're somebody who
00:36:44.380 came to this country as an immigrant you came to this country from iran do you think we have
00:36:49.100 a problem with racism in this country do we think this is a racist nation yeah i had experienced
00:36:54.860 massive racism in iran well not for me but i've seen other people yeah so i could play the card
00:37:00.800 and I hate to play the cards
00:37:01.740 because I'm just using it
00:37:02.760 just to prove my point
00:37:03.980 that the personal card
00:37:06.120 because I don't like it
00:37:07.280 when people say
00:37:07.700 well I experienced this
00:37:08.800 that means
00:37:09.220 that's basically the reality
00:37:10.620 but from personal perspective
00:37:12.620 we came here
00:37:13.320 my family
00:37:14.120 genuinely haven't experienced
00:37:16.660 the racism in that sense
00:37:18.640 I've experienced racist comments
00:37:21.180 ironically from the left
00:37:22.560 people calling me
00:37:24.000 Uncle Tom or whatever
00:37:25.200 and
00:37:26.380 whereas I have cousins in Germany
00:37:29.160 who every now and then
00:37:30.200 they get beaten up
00:37:30.840 in alleyways 0.81
00:37:31.440 just because they're brown
00:37:32.920 just casual
00:37:33.940 like you know
00:37:34.320 they're used to it
00:37:34.940 it's like a Tuesday
00:37:35.520 like I was walking
00:37:36.460 in an alleyway
00:37:37.000 like yeah
00:37:37.320 they're fine
00:37:38.080 they just go home
00:37:38.660 and like oh yeah
00:37:39.260 got beaten up again
00:37:40.120 yeah genuinely
00:37:41.860 so there is
00:37:43.000 and it is the Germany
00:37:43.740 that is now supposed
00:37:44.560 to be self-hating
00:37:45.380 and progressive
00:37:45.900 so it still happens
00:37:47.220 and again
00:37:48.380 you could use
00:37:48.980 other continents
00:37:49.780 and cultures
00:37:50.840 in Asia
00:37:51.860 in Africa
00:37:52.560 North Africa especially
00:37:53.840 but
00:37:55.280 I don't think
00:37:57.000 you could find anybody
00:37:58.080 who would
00:37:59.600 be able to give you actual evidence even by evidence i mean like actually like recordings
00:38:05.200 or like you know just use their phone to for example over a period of a month when they're
00:38:09.900 out there someone who's not white to give you oh i experienced like 55 examples of racism in that
00:38:16.340 sense like in a constantly it doesn't exist it won't happen also by racist society i'm talking
00:38:20.740 about institutional racism and politicians people in charge it is absolutely especially with the
00:38:29.580 empire. And there was a reason that after the Commonwealth was created, they all wanted
00:38:35.000 to come to the UK from Nigeria and India, despite the problems that passed. Whereas all 0.99
00:38:39.820 the other colonies for other countries in Europe, they didn't really want to go to like,
00:38:43.340 you know, like Spain or Portugal. They all stayed in like, you know, obviously South 1.00
00:38:46.580 America or whatever. And I think, yeah, the British culture is because it's, as we said,
00:38:53.100 tolerant and just slightly nicer because they have to be polite because they can't be mean
00:38:59.440 and racist to you directly so you i can assure you won't experience racism as much in this country
00:39:05.940 so i guess what you're saying is there are people who may be racist from time to time
00:39:11.960 but it's not likely that the experience of an ethnic minority person is that day to day they
00:39:18.480 experience this oppressive just wall of mistreatment and yeah not just that they did and the sort of
00:39:26.000 things that the English, let's just say, the actual English, like the people, you know,
00:39:29.800 go with the English identity, get accused of like racism, you know, and with the Brexit
00:39:34.940 stuff, the UKIP, whatever. And I have spoken to a lot of these people, and we're talking
00:39:39.420 about like ordinary people who like, you know, just get involved in politics or go on the
00:39:42.200 streets or whatever. They get accused of being racist, but in reality, they're tribalist.
00:39:47.120 They defend, you know, Britain and the border and say, oh, the foreigners are coming in
00:39:53.020 here taking the drawers or whatever but when you actually talk to them and try to have a slightly
00:39:57.580 semi-intellectual conversation with them uh when you sit down you realize it's not the skin color 0.72
00:40:01.980 or anything else it's the whole tribal thing that you know we need to protect our community we need
00:40:07.020 to protect our country we're not saying don't come in we just don't want it like you know i'm in a
00:40:11.380 village of like 10 people and then now we have 11 new people because the tribalism that i've
00:40:16.940 experienced these conversations from like people in cornwall people in lincolnshire they also hated
00:40:22.060 people coming from london so it's not fair enough to be honest yeah so it's it's not the skin color 0.98
00:40:27.840 they hate other white british people coming to their communities and like taking their jobs
00:40:33.500 as it's not necessarily it's tribalism that's the problem we have in this country yeah well and
00:40:38.300 again i whether you are going to be able to eradicate that from human nature i don't know
00:40:43.680 that you can no that's the thing when the movement of blm think that we have to uh well eliminate
00:40:49.560 racism and prejudice uh right it's like saying there shouldn't be any bad firstly there needs
00:40:55.600 to be bad for you to recognize what's good there's black and white no pun intended but
00:41:00.960 but it genuinely it's uh you could minimize by creating a society that's more progressive
00:41:06.840 unless you use education and we are doing it already the progress we've made over the past
00:41:10.780 century over the past few decades uh they don't get it it's the same with socialists who are
00:41:16.260 anti-capitalist without saying oh because we have homeless people we have poor people yeah but
00:41:20.180 compare it to like a few decades ago and you know we're getting there but everybody's in a rush
00:41:26.100 they want instant change and the moment they try to fix it they're going to create more problems
00:41:31.200 it's yeah i mean it's it's very very interesting that you say that i mean
00:41:35.140 where do you see us culturally do you think we've hit a crisis point
00:41:39.440 now between you know because you said that we were making great progress and
00:41:43.540 And I've seen society over the last few years with the digestion of identity politics become more racialized, become we now like to put people into these wonderful little subgroups.
00:41:54.720 Do you think we've hit crisis point yet when it comes to the culture wars or do you think it's going to get worse?
00:42:00.760 It's not the peak yet, but doesn't mean that it will get to the peak in terms of it would literally be like 1984.
00:42:06.780 It could, but it could also go back down, not quickly and not that easily.
00:42:11.100 so the two obvious options will either be scenarios you're either gonna you could actually
00:42:16.360 get to a point in the next few decades that we will have a 1984 society a big brother society
00:42:21.800 this time ironically not created by the state of government but by society itself the mob mentality
00:42:28.620 and that's a problem and this is the issue we have in certain cultures certain cultures in
00:42:34.440 like the middle east like saudi arabia it's not just the fact that the state is authoritarian
00:42:39.660 but society is authoritarian
00:42:41.860 like anti-women's rights and everything
00:42:43.640 but actually before you go on
00:42:45.180 and I really want you to finish that point
00:42:46.940 I mean you talk about how it would be the people
00:42:49.480 I mean the people are going to find some voice
00:42:51.240 some left-wing authoritarian is going to come along
00:42:54.020 and going to say
00:42:54.540 look in the interest of inclusion and diversity
00:42:57.380 people aren't going to be allowed to say what they think anymore
00:43:00.340 and I'm the man or the woman or the whatever
00:43:03.020 to make that happen for you
00:43:04.860 and if there's an electorate that wants that
00:43:07.860 they'll vote for that
00:43:08.620 yes so this is my point so you will either we will either find a way in the next couple of
00:43:13.660 decades the next two generations basically uh to become slightly more sound and fight back
00:43:19.880 things will get semi-bad we might actually have comedy be cancelled but we still have some
00:43:24.720 freedoms but things like this people will fight back or yes i know it's like massive exaggeration
00:43:31.520 people don't see it because we're so complacent we've taken everything for granted we've been in
00:43:34.980 the west for a century
00:43:35.940 being good we've had
00:43:37.900 freedom but nothing
00:43:39.280 lasts forever even the
00:43:41.080 roman empire didn't last
00:43:41.900 forever so i'm not
00:43:43.320 saying it to be
00:43:43.840 pessimistic or
00:43:44.920 scaremonger anybody 0.82
00:43:45.880 but there could come
00:43:47.640 a time maybe in a
00:43:48.440 century maybe a lot
00:43:49.540 less that the west
00:43:51.720 will be completely
00:43:52.560 changed and will be
00:43:54.080 dictatorial and then
00:43:56.360 i think you're gonna
00:43:57.500 have a situation where
00:43:58.300 people are gonna have
00:43:58.860 to just wake up and
00:44:00.200 rise up again but
00:44:00.820 then hopefully i won't
00:44:01.900 be alive by that i
00:44:03.800 can't fight look at
00:44:04.460 i don't think any of us are going to be alive at that point i i wonder whether you're right and
00:44:09.520 also wonder whether decades is the right time frame well we need to fight now and that's that's
00:44:14.280 what i do on my youtube and that's what everybody should do comedians and again brands companies
00:44:19.300 there should be basically a new netflix to fight against netflix if they want to become woke like 0.54
00:44:24.440 we should always do this start now well it's interesting i mean with comedy for example
00:44:29.620 there's already talk of like a non-woke comedy platform being created and stuff that would be
00:44:35.160 funny probably will be very funny yeah um yeah but it's difficult for example you talk about
00:44:42.400 being libertarian this may be an issue that we should discuss with you as well is what what's
00:44:47.720 your take on uh big tech the censorship that we see from them and equally what's the solution
00:44:53.740 there because you know twitter uh is quite clearly biased it's not an objective platform
00:44:59.400 on the one hand on the other hand they've created this new parlor thing which i i've joined just
00:45:04.240 just because everyone's telling me to and i don't want to be in that parlor world either because
00:45:09.180 it's it's very much the same but from another angle it's just people from the right and i'm
00:45:13.560 not really that interested in being in an echo chamber that's the problem and i've heard it so
00:45:17.180 many times on youtube people say you know we should we should create a right-wing youtube
00:45:22.100 or like with Parlour because the current platforms are biased towards the left.
00:45:26.420 Like, well, two wrongs don't make it right.
00:45:28.540 Right.
00:45:28.900 And so as a libertarian, so I believe private businesses should do whatever they want to do.
00:45:35.740 But also as consumers, we could criticize them and then we could leave them,
00:45:39.580 we could join them, we could do whatever we want.
00:45:42.380 I don't believe we have people who are worried about monopolies, for example.
00:45:46.020 we haven't had luckily my that my side of the economic philosophy still is right on this it
00:45:53.060 might change but we haven't had an example in the west or in the world to have a monopoly
00:45:58.940 in any industry especially long-term monopoly that has been under a free society every monopoly
00:46:05.880 we've had like back in the 60s and 70s in the west in america and other places here with oil
00:46:10.500 and then 80s and onwards with banking.
00:46:13.880 It's always because there was government intervention.
00:46:16.620 And it was always backfiring because government got involved
00:46:19.820 to make sure there's no monopoly and they'd actually created monopolies.
00:46:23.760 And now in this country with the energy sector,
00:46:26.340 the government got involved with the Labour Party
00:46:28.220 and we had like 14 companies, now we have six companies.
00:46:31.640 So the best way to make sure that we don't have a monopoly
00:46:35.200 like Twitter or whatever or Facebook is luckily tech is still set
00:46:39.640 relatively relatively free because the internet is difficult to regulate and so there was a time
00:46:44.400 when people thought facebook was it like you know and if we're not gonna have any new platform
00:46:49.880 and facebook could become really boring or facebook could destroy us and we have nowhere
00:46:54.260 else to go but then obviously instagram came i know it's still linked to facebook but like in
00:46:57.920 terms of platforms and obviously twitter youtube we have and everything else i'm now parlor and
00:47:03.460 but you don't think google and youtube are monopolies in their fields but so it depends
00:47:08.240 how you define Monopoly.
00:47:09.140 They are big players.
00:47:13.160 But by Monopoly,
00:47:13.960 I'm talking about
00:47:14.580 the absolute Monopoly,
00:47:16.060 which is like,
00:47:16.540 you know,
00:47:16.840 there's one website.
00:47:18.340 Okay.
00:47:18.820 But let me put it
00:47:20.320 kind of bluntly for you.
00:47:21.920 If YouTube ban you tomorrow,
00:47:23.360 is there a place
00:47:24.800 where you could go
00:47:25.640 that you would be able
00:47:27.260 to continue to do
00:47:28.900 what you do?
00:47:29.260 I know the answer
00:47:29.820 is 4chan.
00:47:32.240 That would be fun.
00:47:33.300 Well, no.
00:47:34.400 This is my point, right?
00:47:36.040 Is they could destroy you
00:47:37.440 in a moment's notice
00:47:38.420 and there's nothing
00:47:39.840 you can do about it.
00:47:41.060 You probably wouldn't even able
00:47:42.540 to get the information
00:47:43.620 to people out there
00:47:44.560 that it's happened
00:47:45.800 in a big way.
00:47:47.160 Yes, well,
00:47:47.880 I would go to,
00:47:49.320 what's that new?
00:47:51.960 Fan.
00:47:52.840 Only fans.
00:47:53.400 Only fans.
00:47:55.940 Make more money.
00:47:57.100 Put your stuff up
00:47:57.700 on Pornhub or something.
00:47:59.340 So on the one hand,
00:48:01.480 again, as a libertarian,
00:48:02.340 I would say
00:48:02.720 I could create my own website
00:48:04.160 and have a podcast,
00:48:05.360 like a video podcast
00:48:06.060 and take donations or whatever.
00:48:08.180 I'll sell my merchandise.
00:48:09.820 But yes, I'll get a hit.
00:48:11.780 I'll take a hit in terms of revenue.
00:48:13.120 Yeah, 99% hit.
00:48:14.320 Yeah, I know, yeah.
00:48:15.500 So, but I'm fine with it
00:48:17.800 because if YouTube wants to kick me out,
00:48:19.440 it's their business.
00:48:21.160 It's like people who are trying to force bakeries 0.95
00:48:25.020 to bake gay cakes or whatever. 0.93
00:48:29.800 I'm not religious, 0.95
00:48:31.320 but they're right if they don't want to do it.
00:48:33.280 and they could have their own, again, under the freedom of religion,
00:48:37.380 especially in the West, in America as well.
00:48:39.020 We still have that, so you could also protect that,
00:48:41.520 even though I'm not actually religious in that sense.
00:48:44.540 But, Maya, don't you think they've simply got too much power? 1.00
00:48:47.200 YouTube is simply too powerful. They're too big.
00:48:49.800 Yeah.
00:48:50.360 So, actually, we need somebody to come in and break them up.
00:48:54.120 Otherwise, what we're going to have is, well, it's a glorified monopoly, isn't it?
00:48:58.980 Or am I wrong?
00:49:00.340 Well, it is a monopoly in that sense, obviously,
00:49:02.880 and it's the biggest player and but the moment you try to get and when you say someone if by
00:49:08.960 someone you mean a government or politician or bureaucrat that's never worked in history of
00:49:14.080 humanity again this is the problem i have with the different political ideologies because
00:49:21.760 people usually go with the politics of intention rather than outcome and you know if we go with
00:49:27.280 intention we all want the same things we want to eliminate poverty we want everyone to be safe and
00:49:32.000 healthy and well off and no monopolies. Everybody wants the same thing. It's the same thing with
00:49:36.720 the whole BLM stuff. Everybody's anti-racist. But go with the intention and go with evidence. 0.75
00:49:42.960 And unfortunately, it's not a sexy topic to talk about, especially when it comes to economics.
00:49:49.200 So because I have to say, because I come from the Australian School of Economics,
00:49:55.440 which is kind of very libertarian and like hayek and our side always struggled intellectually to
00:50:02.400 defend or promote our values because it's not sexy it's just like um let's let's have this
00:50:08.760 platform free free transactions but trust me it's going to work i'm like well how long do i have to
00:50:14.260 wait well 10 years 10 minutes whereas the the other side where's the keynesianism or liberal
00:50:18.800 or socialist or whatever they say don't worry about the outcome but this is what we want to do
00:50:24.280 this is the goal
00:50:25.900 you know
00:50:26.720 and then no one actually cares
00:50:27.620 about the outcomes
00:50:28.260 like oh good effort
00:50:28.960 it didn't work
00:50:29.620 but good effort
00:50:30.180 we still support you
00:50:31.020 that's the problem
00:50:31.400 well this is where I think
00:50:32.480 I agree with you very strongly
00:50:34.160 but I also disagree with you
00:50:35.340 very strongly
00:50:35.820 which is that
00:50:36.600 such a centrist
00:50:37.760 and I disagree with Francis
00:50:40.160 in a sense
00:50:40.660 because
00:50:41.040 I think you're completely wrong
00:50:43.180 about diagnosing the problem
00:50:45.180 because if YouTube
00:50:46.220 were to ban you tomorrow
00:50:47.260 they have the power
00:50:48.720 to destroy people 0.62
00:50:49.900 who don't agree with them 0.95
00:50:50.960 and they will start to use it
00:50:52.200 in my opinion
00:50:52.740 on the one hand
00:50:54.240 On the other hand, I don't think breaking them up
00:50:55.900 is going to make it better.
00:50:57.520 And the real truth is I don't know what would make it better.
00:51:01.940 And so this is quite a dangerous situation
00:51:04.560 because what happens is, as you say,
00:51:06.920 people start going from intention
00:51:08.580 and they start flailing around and trying different things.
00:51:11.600 They start, oh, let's break them up.
00:51:13.400 Let's revoke their publication privileges.
00:51:15.640 If you do that, they'll sense even more than they already do.
00:51:19.560 So I don't know what the solution is,
00:51:21.740 but the problem needs to be addressed.
00:51:23.600 and so we need to look for a solution
00:51:25.140 going just like
00:51:26.160 oh I'm a libertarian
00:51:27.880 let them do what they want
00:51:29.140 I don't think that's going to work
00:51:29.940 oh no so I didn't
00:51:30.740 so I didn't say
00:51:31.700 maybe I misunderstood
00:51:32.440 oh no I didn't say
00:51:33.320 let's not do anything
00:51:33.800 so what do we do
00:51:34.440 yeah yeah I didn't say
00:51:35.120 if they kick me out
00:51:35.700 I'll be fine
00:51:36.320 I'll definitely shout
00:51:38.120 but the solution
00:51:40.120 has always been there
00:51:41.040 humanity
00:51:41.620 humans always 1.00
00:51:42.840 society will have to fight back
00:51:44.480 because you know
00:51:45.840 we always live on
00:51:46.700 again instinct of survival
00:51:48.160 and we almost went extinct
00:51:49.660 a couple of times
00:51:50.320 since we were like cavemen
00:51:52.200 So we always find a solution, especially when it comes to free markets and economics, supply and demand, if YouTube crossed the line a few times.
00:52:00.600 And the thing is, with these sort of things, again, when humans start to do bad things, like censoring stuff, for example, it's not just right-wingers that come after.
00:52:09.560 Eventually, they're going to eat themselves at the left, like they're going after J.K. Rowling now.
00:52:13.620 And so when that happens, when they actually lose credibility, then there will be people who would actually leave the platform, enough of them.
00:52:22.880 And then free market, it will provide a new company.
00:52:26.620 That company doesn't have to be right wing.
00:52:28.420 Actually, ideally, it shouldn't be right wing.
00:52:29.720 It shouldn't be.
00:52:30.180 It should just be, I'm here to make profit.
00:52:32.440 That's the intention.
00:52:33.600 Here's a new YouTube.
00:52:34.980 And that will happen.
00:52:35.960 And it's always happened.
00:52:36.960 And people will say, well, how would you know it will happen?
00:52:39.480 It's always happening with every industry, whether it's food, whether it's clothes, whether it's transport, planes.
00:52:44.460 That was supposed to be a monopoly, but not anymore.
00:52:47.020 People always, again, like taxis and Uber now, and then they've got new Uber websites and apps.
00:52:52.800 Society will always provide.
00:52:54.160 All right, man.
00:52:54.840 Well, it's reassuring when we get banned, all the three of us get banned.
00:52:58.380 Somebody will come along and provide.
00:53:00.860 Maybe it might be a Russian state-funded platform.
00:53:03.280 That'd be great, wouldn't it?
00:53:04.100 I'm sure it would be very, very secure and no information would leak anywhere whatsoever.
00:53:08.660 But, Maya, thanks for coming on.
00:53:10.820 We've got one more question before we let you go.
00:53:12.980 Which is, what's the one thing we're not talking about as a society
00:53:16.280 but we really should be?
00:53:19.120 This is a difficult one because what I would usually say
00:53:23.860 is the sort of things I've been ranting throughout the whole video.
00:53:27.440 Let's genuinely talk about, whether we're talking about politics
00:53:30.780 or behaviour or culture, let's focus on what is more logical
00:53:37.460 and rational in terms of
00:53:39.260 don't go with intention, go with
00:53:41.520 outcome. And I think
00:53:43.140 we have to talk about, the one thing
00:53:45.540 we have to stop talking about is academia and education.
00:53:48.260 And we have to
00:53:49.520 seriously look into reforming it because
00:53:51.260 we've been talking about
00:53:52.340 how to reform businesses,
00:53:54.860 these platforms and brands and
00:53:57.180 politicians, governments.
00:53:59.720 But not many people are actually talking
00:54:01.360 about education. We're talking about how, oh yeah,
00:54:03.400 there are a left wing, obviously. But we have no solution
00:54:05.480 because as I said, for example, I don't like
00:54:07.340 to use the word right-wingers but the anti-left don't become teachers don't get into the education
00:54:12.600 system and and then we wonder why each generation is becoming more biased than weird and avocado
00:54:18.840 eating islington living so that's the problem we have and i think we should really look into 1.00
00:54:23.720 um academia in the west you're right about that and we get so many messages both francis and i
00:54:29.540 from teachers or people in the in the education system who say well look i i'm i'm not right-wing
00:54:35.060 but I'm not super woke left wing
00:54:37.320 and I feel like a pariah in the staff room.
00:54:41.860 People won't talk to me.
00:54:43.640 I fear speaking my mind
00:54:45.420 because I've seen what happens to other people who do.
00:54:48.460 I think that there's a lot of people who watch this show
00:54:50.380 who message us and say literally that.
00:54:52.640 And I think that's an issue.
00:54:54.200 I think that's an issue that needs to be addressed.
00:54:56.060 Maya, thank you so much for coming on.
00:54:57.700 Where can people follow your work
00:54:59.280 and check out the stuff that you do?
00:55:01.060 Yeah, so youtube.com slash MayaTuesdayVolt.
00:55:04.420 Basically, my name is difficult to spell, but it's just my full name.
00:55:06.920 M-A-H-Y-A-R-T-O-U-S-I. 1.00
00:55:10.120 And, yeah, hopefully you'll join and subscribe and get free T-shirts.
00:55:14.900 No, it's not free. You have to pay.
00:55:16.780 He's right wing. It's not going to be free, is it? Let's be honest.
00:55:20.060 But, Maya, thanks for coming on.
00:55:21.360 Thank you.
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