On this episode of the podcast, we talk to Kelsey about MAID, the controversial medical assistance in dying (MAID) program in the UK, and why it s becoming a big talking point around the Western world. Plus, a look at the controversial Carter v. Carter case.
00:04:17.880But when you start to lobby government, you start to change what happens and when the government gets involved with your life.
00:04:23.720So the reason this is a problem and Liz Carr from the UK, she did a BBC documentary called Better Off Dead.
00:04:29.560I got to participate in it and meet her.
00:04:31.580And she said, Kelsey, I want you to understand why you can't even have a law at all, because once the law is in place, you don't get to decide what's amended and what walks through it.
00:04:47.100All that it means is that it changed the criminal code to say that all doctors and nurse practitioners that participate are not liable for murder or homicide.
00:05:58.140So the fact that you have some kind of condition that makes your life uncomfortable and can't be changed, that would apply to lots of things.
00:06:14.440Quebec right now has the largest death count in the world.
00:06:17.700The province of Quebec, based on stats, based on their population density, has over 7.3% of its population last year were killed with euthanasia.
00:06:26.9207.3% of the Quebec population was killed with euthanasia.
00:07:02.020And do you have some kind of idea of how that breaks down in terms of the types of causes?
00:07:08.360I do have the data, and I can get it for you, but it does break down provincially.
00:07:11.580So every year, you get a made death review per province, okay?
00:07:15.620And it breaks down whether it's cancer and the type of cancer, but here's where it gets tricky, and this is where they've skated the system.
00:07:22.980So going back a little bit, and we'll get to that.
00:07:25.920Going back a little bit, what has happened is when you did track two, that can include people who are not, you know, foreseeable death, right?
00:07:32.560So again, this opens the door to the mentally ill, to those that are homeless, addicts, yada, yada, yada, yada.
00:07:38.140But it was supposed to legalize in March of 24 of this year, where it was supposed to include for mental illness only.
00:07:46.820So we just had this conversation right before.
00:07:49.360So what, I mean, let's put a pin in that.
00:10:34.320And they did an ad of her on the beach with cliffs behind her with bubbles in the floating air talking about how she was going to cross the Rainbow Bridge and it was going to be beautiful and gorgeous and peaceful.
00:10:44.700A department store was soft launching with other vulnerable people and young adolescents watching that commercial on TV.
00:10:58.420It's now us saying that we will kill you if you're struggling.
00:11:02.500People like Dying with Dignity and CAMMAP.
00:11:04.260So let's talk about what CAMMAP is for a second.
00:11:06.360CAMMAP is the Canadian Association for Maid Practitioners.
00:11:09.940They are the ones that go around and educate doctors on how to not only get your patient qualified, but then to how to do it, the drugs to do it, and how you can escape the system, if you will.
00:11:20.880Because like I said going back, in March of 2024, was supposed to include children, mature minors, down to the age of 12.
00:11:57.920So like for me, when I was in the army, it was post-traumatic stress.
00:12:00.380And then last week, I just won my case against Veterans Affairs after suing them for two years.
00:12:05.100And when you look at the reason I won, it's because 11 of the 13 symptoms of TBI and post-traumatic stress overlap.
00:12:11.860So I was finally able to get the diagnoses of my traumatic brain injury separate from that.
00:12:15.940So mental illness, PTSD, mental injury, mental health, other things.
00:12:20.040Well, we were talking about the fitness component right before about how important it is to stay moving.
00:12:25.160How important it is what you put in your mouth because it is directly responsible for 90% of the serotonin that goes to your brain.
00:12:32.260When we talk about things like our broken systems, our health care, our food systems, no wonder people are on more SSRIs than they've ever been, which is serotonin drugs for depression.
00:12:43.600No wonder they are on all of these other drugs for mood stabilizers.
00:12:47.420It's because we feed our children garbage.
00:13:04.220Okay, so in 2024, March, it was supposed to include this and it was supposed to be just that alone.
00:13:09.740What had happened at that point is we were getting phone calls from group homes in Vancouver and other locations hearing about groups of teenagers that were making a suicide pact that once this went into law, they were all going to walk in together.
00:13:22.860These kids are being manipulated to believe through people like Dying With Dignity's children's books that this is a peaceful situation, that it is wonderful and you are a burden to society, so you should eradicate yourself.
00:13:37.460They literally have a children's coloring book on their website that talks about how the death is going to happen, what it's going to do, and about the lungs, which I spoke about on Jordan Peterson, which was the mechanism of death that exploded.
00:13:50.520And it's because we paralyzed you first, your lungs fill with fluid, two times the amount, and you drown to death, and it's a death by waterboarding or akin to drowning.
00:13:59.660So when people say this is peaceful, that's a lie, and I can tell you why.
00:14:04.300Because under CAM maps, statistics and the way that they train their doctors, which is under the BMJ, you guys can find it anywhere, and if you go into the NIH, they have the list of drugs, but it states very, very clearly, this is recommended drugs and recommended dosage, not necessarily the ones that need to be used.
00:14:22.940That right there leaves the door open for absolutely any drug to be used.
00:14:26.840We know the amount of propovol they use burns your veins, so you're in excruciating pain, but you don't feel it because the first drug they give you is to calm your anxiety and your fear.
00:14:36.780That's literally the words that they use.
00:14:38.340And then the second one is a paralytic, and then the third one shuts everything down, if it shuts everything down.
00:14:44.120And I say if very aggressively because it is mandatory to have two MAID kits for a reason.
00:15:20.780So the health care director, the, what is it called?
00:15:24.740It is the physician, the college physicians, I'm not going to say the name of the individual.
00:15:29.740They have lobbied and stated that they would like to have the right for emphasize for children up to the age of one or children that are born with such a debilitating,
00:15:39.560uh, from, uh, uh, debilitating issue that they then can qualify for medical assistance and dying.
00:15:47.620So what do they classify as a debilitating issue?
00:15:50.460Well, they seem to think things like Down syndrome are, or, uh, was it, uh, what was the other one that I just read?
00:16:41.840And the way they skate the system and you can look at under BC stats, under the healthcare report last year under MAID is the first thing they state is that what is the main issue, right?
00:16:50.780So here's my example, Constantine, I'm really struggling.
00:17:14.880Underneath, it'll say other and under British Columbia, it'll say 90%.
00:17:19.260And when you look up what the definition of other is, depression, fibromyalgia, fragility, diabetes.
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00:19:11.240You can't just, because somebody is having a severely depressive, a severe depressive episode, you can't just go, maybe think about killing yourself.
00:19:27.200And I have records of people, for example, last night and all last week and the week before that, because I have this married band of weirdos that we hang out with that are not accepting this anymore.
00:19:39.040Because every person I surround myself with now, mother has been killed illegally with maid, like Alicia Duncan.
00:19:44.520Dr. Christopher Lyon, who's at York University, father was killed with maid.
00:19:47.960We have WV and MV, who is, he's currently fighting to keep his autistic daughter from getting killed by maid in Alberta right now.
00:20:29.240We found out she went behind her back and she applied for, she doctor shopped and applied for maid outside of the province because she could not get qualified in our province.
00:20:39.180She was approved on the first 60-minute Zoom call with no medical records, with no discussion with her doctors, with no discussion with friends or family, or no discussion to even prove that she had that issue.
00:20:51.240Which, by the way, she has a history of mental health problems.
00:20:55.980They were flying out last week to British Columbia to Willow Reproductive Health in Vancouver with Ellen Wiebe, and Ellen was supposed to execute her at 7 p.m. on Sunday last week.
00:21:08.220We got a hold of the family and provided everything we could, and they got an emergency in the 11th hour for the first time in British Columbia, an injunction put in for 30 days to protect this woman from herself.
00:21:20.320This only happened because people are talking now that this is wrong.
00:21:23.780The reason Ellen Wiebe needs to be investigated immediately, immediately, is because as of 2022, and this was in the National Post as well as several other, including Liz Carr's documentary, up to March of 2022, she had killed over 400 people alone.
00:21:40.960She has stopped saying the numbers since.
00:21:45.900She does abortions by day and does maids by night.
00:21:48.900She's even picked her own patients up at the airport, brought them, which is completely unprofessional, brought them to her place in Vancouver, sat them on her couch and killed her, which is herself.
00:21:59.480And if you can't find a second assessor, she'll find it for you, and she'll do it in 24 hours.
00:23:00.380We have done this conversation in our society where we have begun to devalue humans at a rate and a pace that I cannot wrap my brain around.
00:23:09.280We have told people that they are not worthy of life, that they are not worthy of living, and they're not worthy of working on, that they are not worthy of getting better.
00:23:16.300Because it is a health care burden on the system because we bring in too many damn people in Canada.
00:23:23.180The only reason I got to see a doctor about my knee is because I called my mentor, who called a professional sports team, who called another professional sports team.
00:23:40.500It is no different than the way that the Nazis went around from 41 to 45, convincing parents and World War I shell shock, post-traumatic stress victims that they should be handed over to the state and euthanized because it was easier to deal with.
00:23:54.220Because how dare they have to struggle in life?
00:23:56.260Part of the reason why people who are able to come out of depressive states and injuries and ailments is not because they had some magic support system.
00:24:21.820I have post-traumatic stress disorder.
00:24:23.880I have treatment-resistant depression.
00:24:25.680I am one of the very few in Canada that has access to special access program for scheduled drugs that are not on the system yet, like psilocybin.
00:24:32.840One of the reasons why we should never, ever tell anybody that they need to quit is so, well, one of the main reasons is we have treatment solutions.
00:24:51.080Turn the fucking news off because it's depressing and it's literally killing you because you are the sum of the five sounds, people, anything around you.
00:24:58.200Anything that goes in and in and in, it will drastically affect this.
00:26:16.060And if that doesn't work, you go to electroshock therapy?
00:26:19.500Yeah, they said, so I have, I literally have documents to prove this, because all you have to show for a treatment-resistant is that I've tried all the healing modalities, which I had, all of them, and then I wanted access to regulated psilocybin.
00:26:32.300Let's be honest, I was going to go get it without them anyway, but I wanted to do it legally.
00:26:35.360And the first phone call I got was, okay, Kelsey, I know what the answer is going to be on this, but I need to hear you say the words.
00:26:41.700Health Canada wants you to try electroshock therapy.
00:26:45.260And I said, well, are they aware I have a traumatic brain injury?
00:27:14.960As a coach and a podcaster and a mom and all that.
00:27:18.980So electroshock therapy is where they put you under, they put a mouth guard on your mouth, they grab two electrodes, and they put them on your temple.
00:27:33.460And so part of the problem is when we are treating people with subpar medicine, when we have access to the greatest medicine there is, i.e. plant medicine, MDMA, we've seen the clinical trials coming out with psilocybin and MDMA.
00:27:48.160And anecdotally, I have been in circles with ayahuasca, with grown men who I have seen do a 180 on depressive states and want to be part of their families and their lives.
00:27:57.160I have seen people go into remission with post-traumatic stress because of plant medicine.
00:28:00.660There is no reason at all we should be offering MAID ever.
00:28:09.040It's a massive, massive burden on society when you have a lot of people that are sick, a lot of people that are unwell, and you have a lot of individuals right now because they target veterans first.
00:28:23.700That Canada has just, you know, committed another.
00:28:25.540One of the Nazis in government has just admitted, what's her name, Christina Freeland, just admitted and just said we're going to give another, like, what was it, a few hundred million per year over to another government when we have the highest opioid epidemic in North America on the east side of Vancouver.
00:28:38.920We don't want to address that because we decrim there.
00:28:42.400And then we, what was it, in 2021, just by not providing palliative care and by doing euthanasia instead, they saved $86.9 million in one year.
00:28:51.900So if you look at the stats, so when I was on Piers Morgan last year, the one thing that caught people's attention was the numbers.
00:29:12.280In that same time frame, California, with the same amount of individuals as Canada, has only euthanized 841 people because it was made there.
00:29:21.900It was me giving you the drug and you taking said drug.
00:29:24.800Because people don't want to die, man.
00:29:28.760Because if they did, they would actually go do the thing.
00:37:49.000We'll get you back to the interview in a minute.
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00:39:21.360You end up in a position where you have older people who in their last years, last few years of their life, the healthcare costs are like 10 times what they were their entire life before that.
00:39:34.100And also, economically, the situation is governments, countries are in massive levels of debt.
00:39:42.880You know, in the UK, the healthcare system is not coping.
00:40:00.840I mean, I think one of the answers to it, and this may seem like a very simplistic answer, but I think at the core of the issue is stop funding fucking wars.
00:40:44.400I think what I mean about war is simply this, that if you, you know, Thomas Sowell has this great way of thinking about things,
00:40:55.800which is, it's kind of the bedrock of the conservative worldview, really, which is, if you want to think about what's likely to happen in the future, you have to look at the past.
00:41:04.820There has never been a time in human history where there hasn't been war.
00:41:07.980It's just an unavoidable reality of human existence, right?
00:41:11.460So when you say funding war, big states always are going to assert their interests around the world, and part of that is going to be muscular, right?
00:42:08.240I think if you look at the two big conflicts that are happening in the world now, Israel and Ukraine, if Canada wants to be part of Pax Americana, which it does, right?
00:42:31.280That's, to me, the issue, but ultimately, you know, this is what actually Europe has done for a long time now, and Canada to some extent, too.
00:42:39.920It's like you operate under the American security umbrella, and if you want the security and the influence and the wealth and the power that comes with that, you're going to have to do stuff when it's necessary.
00:43:04.960Which is that this idea that you can be the dominant civilization in the world and never go to war or never fund other countries that want to be part of that umbrella to defend themselves, that's not really how it works.
00:43:33.780Yeah, but the woke mental shit expands out into the war because that's where our troops are being trained, and they're taking all of that ideology and that funding, and they're going into those wars.
00:43:42.940When all of that money that didn't need to go into those programs and hiring all those people to go teach them about how not to call somebody a retard, you mean all of that funding couldn't have gone to a healthcare system that's broken?
00:43:53.400Yeah, well, that's something we totally agree on.
00:43:55.500So maybe the war was the wrong use of – the wrong term.
00:43:58.480Maybe stop funding things outside of the country that don't need to be funded when the priorities need to be in the nations.
00:44:03.760Well, I think that is something that's very widely shared, actually, around the Western world, which is the idea that we seem to be prioritizing things other than the citizens of our own country.
00:44:14.160So maybe that was a wrong choice of words on my part, but you understand what I'm saying is we are funding things right now where even if we took half a percent that we are allocating to weapon systems, to ammunition, which, again, Canada has none of anyway.
00:44:28.460They're all completely gone, and we are – I mean, there was a new documentary I was just in called Forsaken Warriors, where it breaks down the fall of the Canadian military.
00:45:39.040If we actually were prepared to deal with the reality of it, which is some people can't function without help, then you wouldn't have homeless people on the street.
00:45:47.080And it's not about money because they actually cost more money when they're on the street.
00:45:51.400If you look at the crime and the disorder and all of the things that happen when you have a society that increasingly feels like it's breaking down, wealthy people leave, entrepreneurs leave, they go to other places, and that state doesn't generate as much tax revenue.
00:46:05.300If you add all of that together – I think Joe had the mayor of Austin on the show a while back, and they talked about this.
00:46:11.240The average harmless person costs the state a shit ton of money every year.
00:46:17.880My point being, a lot of these things that people like to pretend are a money issue, they do that because that's easier.
00:46:37.220And that's why you have the east side the way it is.
00:46:38.900And then people are self-medicating to try and cope with whatever is going on for them using these very hardcore drugs.
00:46:46.340As, by the way, a lot of people would in that situation.
00:46:49.800I mean, wouldn't you if you had the reality that you were living in a tent on the east side and the chances of you getting raped or murdered are pretty sky high?
00:46:57.300I mean, we have a funding allocation problem because our governments are overspending.
00:47:03.120And you can look at whether that's with the schooling system, with the military-industrial complex, whether that's with the health care system.
00:47:11.300But you can't tell me that the CEO of CBC getting a few hundred thousand dollar bonus per year is justified.
00:47:18.940We are doing things where we can say, well, you know, we can send money.
00:47:22.460We can say, no, no, no, no, the fact of the matter is we're spending money on things that are not helping anybody,
00:47:29.580are just lining pockets of individuals who have no business having that type of money when the system is breaking down anyway.
00:47:37.020And then we're going, oh, but we need you to donate because we need you to go help this person because they're an addict or they're homeless.
00:47:59.480But I sat down and we said, we want to bring this bill forward to Forest Veterans Affairs to pay for psychedelic assisted therapy for veterans because we see how much it's healing people.
00:48:09.940And when you heal people that have actually been trained on how to uplift themselves, to be better entrepreneurs, to help society in general, we should be putting into that.
00:48:20.640And their response was, well, you can put the bill forward.
00:48:33.260I said, OK, well, let's I said to be transparent with you, I'm going to give you a stat right now that probably will mean nothing to you.
00:48:39.180But with the 44 a day of people killing themselves in America or dying by suicide, whichever one you want to say, that's 16,000 more people, fathers and mothers that will not be here to look after their children because they took their own lives because you wouldn't let them get access to a mushroom.
00:48:55.520So you can't sit there and say that the solutions are necessarily I get it.
00:49:02.340You can't just say that's a money allocation issue.
00:49:04.280But it definitely goes a little bit deeper to why are we so OK with funding high doses of pharmaceutical intervention for veterans to be vending machines for pharmaceutical companies to be making ungodly amounts of money.
00:49:15.680But we're not willing to give them access to psilocybin.
00:49:21.700So there are ways to fix the society so that euthanasia doesn't even have to be an option, at least for the people that don't need it, for the mentally ill children down to the age of 12, infant side, for God's sakes.
00:49:36.420We should never be telling somebody, you're deaf, life's going to suck.
00:54:38.880If we look at where psychedelics are right now and the movements across the globe and the research we have behind healing the neuroplasticity in our brains and rewiring and firing our frontal lobes,
00:54:50.220we can heal from things like depression.
00:55:06.900When you remove people's access to community and support and the family unit, which is a whole other thing being attacked right now, which is the family unit,
00:55:15.880the darkness says you don't need family, you don't need kids, you don't need this, you don't need to own anything and you'll be happy.
00:55:21.900We have to reinvest in our community and our neighbors and our loved ones and say, it's okay if you're having a hard time.
00:55:43.460We need to go back to the way that we did it where we grab those people and we surround them and say, you smash off all the walls around us.
00:55:52.880You've got medicine that is changing and science is getting so, so invested in the idea of using old school plant modalities to bring into pharmaceutical, to give access to others.
00:56:06.080So if people say, well, plant medicine is woo-woo, okay, cool, but MDMA, ketamine therapy, which I still don't love, but MDMA, ketamine, psilocybin, ayahuasca, 5-MeO, we have solutions on the table.
00:56:19.500We're just now in the process of all the research with like Imperial School of London and Harvard and all these amazing places.
00:56:24.620Then you have the nonprofits like Heroic Hearts Project and all of these other people who are saying, here's the science, here's the research.
00:56:31.940They're lobbying in government like Psycan and Apex like I did this week.
00:56:35.780And we're saying we have the research, guys.
00:56:39.780Now, when you're talking about other things like dementia and Alzheimer's, we understand things like diet change early because it starts in your 30s and 40s.
00:56:48.000We're looking at your diet, looking at our food pyramid system and saying, these foods right here are the things that are causing long-term health.
00:56:56.060So we have to look deeper to the root of the issue.
00:56:59.440Like Good Energy was such a great book around this and it spurred such a change.
00:57:03.580What we feed our children will radically affect the next 20 and 30 years of their lives.
00:57:09.000And we have a real, real chance here to help heal the world.
00:57:12.140If we start looking at movement as a priority in our school systems, we start looking at diet as a priority in our school systems, our community that we have around us, our purpose and what we need to drive individuals to and what we can fix if we just give them the tools to do so.
00:57:28.000We need to stop telling children they're stupid because they can't sit still and medicating them.
00:57:31.500And we need to start giving them time to run and to grow and putting them in programs where they can actually flourish and thrive where they deserve to be in the first place.
00:57:41.060There is so much hope and I don't mean this to be like, but I'm an example of that.
00:57:48.820I am the walking, talking, very much too much for you, I know, talking example of this.
00:57:55.000You can heal from these things, but you have to be willing to try.
00:57:59.240And furthermore, we have to be willing to give solutions that are not euthanasia and we can do so.
00:58:07.060But when Veterans Affairs is targeting veterans and going after them in Canada, when we're telling the systems and telling the individuals within it that they should die instead of trying to live, this is where we're going to be until we wake everyone up and say that these pro-death organizations are not healthy, that they are corrupt.
00:58:23.700And that they are going to come for your children, as aggressive as that sounds, but they are and it's provable.
00:58:29.480And everything I've said here has a receipt attached to it, including the individuals I've spoken about, the organizations I've said, and the statistics as well.
00:58:40.380And if you just take two and a half seconds and Google more than made deaths and you actually look province by province, country by country, you will see that we are headed for something very scary.
00:58:56.880So when I mentioned right at the beginning that when I was on Question Time, this issue came up because there's a bill in the UK that's being discussed.
00:59:06.040And we don't know the details of it yet.
00:59:07.980But one of the things I brought up made, and I was like, from what I hear, it's not a good thing.
00:59:11.960And way too many people are being euthanized, as you say, in this way.
00:59:18.060And Fiona Bruce is actually a very good journalist.
00:59:20.800She was like, yeah, but Constantine, I don't know if you know this, it's very, very popular in Canada.
00:59:24.840It enjoys extremely wide support in the country.
00:59:30.120Well, my hypothesis would be killing off people who cost loads of money and just cause problems is probably quite popular with the rest of the population because it's kind of a practical solution to a difficult problem.
00:59:41.760But it's not necessarily the moral thing to do.
00:59:43.620Well, it's because the polls, I made sure to look it up yesterday, but the polls that are being brought forward and saying Canadians are, you know, we're right for this, are actually heavily funded by the Dying With Dignity organization.
00:59:55.220And by funded, I mean the individuals that are running the polls are actually the people that run that organization.
01:00:00.740But do you think they misrepresent reality?
01:00:06.720Because I'm about to go on the street with Alicia Duncan, whose mother was killed with it, which, by the way, she was a psych nurse with no prior history of mental health, who got in a car accident, had a traumatic brain injury, and then tried to kill herself a couple months later.
01:00:53.920It's a group of individuals who literally spend, and this was what I said on one of my clips the other day, they spend every waking minute of their existence trying to kill as many people as possible.
01:01:03.940They take their children on vacations based on money.
01:01:06.520They write books, by the way, which is, this is insane.
01:01:08.940They write books talking about every patient that they've killed, and then do interviews where they smile and laugh in Liz Carr's documentary saying it's the most beautiful work they've ever done in their life.
01:01:17.200And that it is, it is, it is, it's soul releasing, and it's beautiful, it's happy, and it's, it's euphoric.
01:01:35.900And furthermore, when comments come out of the top executioners in the country and say things like this, our biggest problem is not the system.
01:02:04.680There's organizations like this all across the globe, and they all have charitable status, and they are twisting the message because they have the voice.
01:02:14.340And the reason I took this up, because I have really no business doing this.
01:02:19.960You know what I, you guys know what I do for a living.
01:02:21.660Like, do I feel like I need to be a talking head for this?
01:02:24.300No, but I am because they started targeting my friends.
01:02:27.640And if you're targeting veterans, we know what happens when you start targeting veterans.
01:02:30.620Because then you go for the mentally ill, then the vulnerable population, then the kids, then the homeless, then the addicts, and it's a slippery slope.
01:04:43.420The final question we always ask is, what's the one thing we're not talking about that we really should be?
01:04:48.200The three new traitors that are in the Canadian government that we have uncovered that have been taking money from a foreign government to influence our elections came out this week.