TRIGGERnometry - MAID： Why the Government Wants You to Kill Yourself - Kelsi Sheren

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00:00:30.000 I'll be honest with you, you guys are the only ones that have been willing to have this conversation.

00:00:34.780 I looked at the criteria, and you have to, like, have some kind of debilitating.

00:00:40.180 No, I qualify to call up and use MAID today, right now.

00:00:44.280 All I have to prove is that it's so distressing that I cannot live this way.

00:00:47.860 But that could apply to almost anything.

00:00:50.620 Groups of teenagers that were making a suicide pact that once this went into law, they were all going to walk in together.

00:00:56.640 We paralyze you first. 0.86

00:00:59.100 Your lungs fill with fluid, two times the amount, and you drown to death.

00:01:02.360 And it's a death by waterboarding or akin to drowning.

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00:01:22.460 Kelsey, welcome back to the show. 0.94

00:01:24.920 It's so good to have you.

00:01:25.900 The first interview we did absolutely crushed.

00:01:28.540 We talked about war and combat and mental health and all sorts of things.

00:01:33.140 But there's actually something you've been talking about lately, which is very close to your heart,

00:01:37.320 and is becoming a big talking point around the Western world.

00:01:40.980 Like, I was on Question Time before we came here, and it was a big talking point in the UK, which is assisted dying.

00:01:46.460 And you're obviously from the country that's at the forefront of all of this with MAID.

00:01:50.480 And let's talk about it.

00:01:52.060 First of all, what is MAID, and how does it work?

00:01:55.260 Okay, well, thanks for having me back.

00:01:56.740 You never know how things are going to go.

00:01:58.240 So I was happy it went well.

00:02:00.360 So MAID is medical assistance in dying. 0.96

00:02:02.000 But let's call it what it is.

00:02:03.440 It's eugenics. 0.99

00:02:04.880 It's not MAID.

00:02:05.700 It's eugenics. 0.99

00:02:07.000 And the reason I say that so emphatically is because the statistic around who is using medical assistance in dying

00:02:14.460 versus who is being euthanized are radically different.

00:02:17.740 So the difference is the doctor who does MAID is going to say,

00:02:23.840 Constantine Francis, here's your drug.

00:02:26.680 You have to take it.

00:02:28.400 You can take it at home.

00:02:29.860 You can take it with a doctor.

00:02:32.080 You can take it with a nurse practitioner.

00:02:33.700 But you're ingesting the drugs, okay?

00:02:36.060 So these are the lethal injection drugs.

00:02:37.920 These are the poisons you're going to put into your body.

00:02:39.760 They're going to burn your mouth. 0.76

00:02:40.800 They're going to burn your esophagus. 0.96

00:02:42.020 And believe it or not, it's not a painless death or which is being yes and.

00:02:49.280 And so what it is is that this is medical assistance in dying.

00:02:52.120 This is your drug.

00:02:53.340 What Canada is doing, the rest of the globe is actually doing is this, going,

00:02:57.240 Hi, I'm your doctor.

00:02:58.860 You're sad.

00:03:00.000 You're depressed.

00:03:01.160 You're homeless. 1.00

00:03:02.260 You're an addict. 0.99

00:03:03.200 You're struggling. 0.99

00:03:04.520 Give me your arm. 1.00

00:03:05.800 I'll kill you. 1.00

00:03:06.400 We're killing people. 1.00

00:03:08.560 We're euthanizing people.

00:03:09.920 And we're euthanizing people at a pace that matches the eugenics in the 1930s going into 41 to 45. 0.86

00:03:16.340 Well, hold on.

00:03:16.740 I looked at the criteria and you have to, like, have some kind of debilitating.

00:03:22.800 No.

00:03:23.040 No.

00:03:23.980 That is a false lie that the dying with dignity death cult has propagated across the globe with their $8 million

00:03:33.540 and their lobbying arm of the liberal government.

00:03:35.720 They have been around and have been admitting since 1994 in Senate that they've been killing people illegally.

00:03:43.020 Period.

00:03:43.520 Full stop.

00:03:44.100 End of conversation.

00:03:45.240 Let's go back and talk about what this really is.

00:03:47.880 This is a movement to remove the vulnerable, disabled, liabilities, burdens on society. 1.00

00:03:53.860 Full stop.

00:03:54.500 That's what this is.

00:03:55.240 This is not compassion and care, dying with dignity or empathy.

00:03:58.820 This is let's remove the problems from society.

00:04:01.520 So this is what it looks like.

00:04:03.680 2016, Canada decided with the Carter versus Canada case, they were going to challenge.

00:04:07.740 There was a woman in British Columbia who was going to challenge the system to say, I want the right to die. 1.00

00:04:13.180 OK, cool. 1.00

00:04:14.040 Well, then go kill yourself. 1.00

00:04:15.880 OK, go kill yourself. 1.00

00:04:16.740 If that's what you want, that's fine. 0.99

00:04:17.880 But when you start to lobby government, you start to change what happens and when the government gets involved with your life.

00:04:23.720 So the reason this is a problem and Liz Carr from the UK, she did a BBC documentary called Better Off Dead.

00:04:29.560 I got to participate in it and meet her.

00:04:31.580 And she said, Kelsey, I want you to understand why you can't even have a law at all, because once the law is in place, you don't get to decide what's amended and what walks through it.

00:04:41.600 And this is where we're at now.

00:04:43.460 So 2016, Carter versus Canada happens.

00:04:45.820 They win the case.

00:04:47.100 All that it means is that it changed the criminal code to say that all doctors and nurse practitioners that participate are not liable for murder or homicide.

00:04:56.420 That's all that happened.

00:04:57.400 OK, and this was for track one only.

00:05:00.400 Track one is specifically designed for the terminally ill.

00:05:04.400 OK, that's it.

00:05:05.620 Terminally ill, you have to be you have to have a foreseeable death.

00:05:08.920 That's how like the wording is written after that.

00:05:12.560 In 2021, they had again, people like dying with dignity, lobbied the government again.

00:05:18.120 Now, here's your slippery slope.

00:05:19.180 And they said, we're going to introduce track to track two is for non foreseeable death.

00:05:24.880 This is where it gets nasty.

00:05:27.160 So I qualify, by the way.

00:05:30.440 I qualify to call up and use made today right now.

00:05:34.600 Track two.

00:05:35.160 Why?

00:05:35.800 Because of post-traumatic stress disorder, hearing loss.

00:05:38.660 Major depressive disorder and a traumatic brain injury.

00:05:42.320 Why would that make you qualify?

00:05:44.400 Because it is considered grievous and irremediable condition.

00:05:48.300 All I have to prove is that it's so distressing that I cannot live this way.

00:05:52.860 OK, so that could apply to almost anything like.

00:05:56.460 He's getting it now.

00:05:57.240 Right.

00:05:57.860 Yeah.

00:05:58.140 So the fact that you have some kind of condition that makes your life uncomfortable and can't be changed, that would apply to lots of things.

00:06:06.180 Obesity, for example.

00:06:07.280 Diabetes, fragility.

00:06:08.880 Right.

00:06:09.440 Homelessness.

00:06:10.040 Addams.

00:06:10.260 But is that really happening, Kelsey?

00:06:11.980 Yes.

00:06:12.960 It's happening in Canada.

00:06:14.440 Quebec right now has the largest death count in the world.

00:06:17.700 The province of Quebec, based on stats, based on their population density, has over 7.3% of its population last year were killed with euthanasia.

00:06:26.920 7.3% of the Quebec population was killed with euthanasia.

00:06:37.080 Are you?

00:06:38.340 Do you see why I've been screaming for two years?

00:06:41.160 I find, with all respect, I find it hard to believe.

00:06:43.940 Would you like me to show you the stats after?

00:06:45.460 Well, I'm sure you're right.

00:06:46.620 We will check.

00:06:47.860 For sure.

00:06:48.460 Please do.

00:06:49.740 Yeah, please do.

00:06:50.360 7.3% of the population.

00:06:52.240 Of Quebec's population in that province.

00:06:54.120 Right.

00:06:54.580 So I think it was roughly over 4,800 deaths last year alone in that province.

00:07:00.180 Not the country, that province.

00:07:01.680 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:02.020 And do you have some kind of idea of how that breaks down in terms of the types of causes?

00:07:08.360 I do have the data, and I can get it for you, but it does break down provincially.

00:07:11.580 So every year, you get a made death review per province, okay?

00:07:15.620 And it breaks down whether it's cancer and the type of cancer, but here's where it gets tricky, and this is where they've skated the system.

00:07:22.980 So going back a little bit, and we'll get to that.

00:07:25.920 Going back a little bit, what has happened is when you did track two, that can include people who are not, you know, foreseeable death, right?

00:07:32.560 So again, this opens the door to the mentally ill, to those that are homeless, addicts, yada, yada, yada, yada.

00:07:38.140 But it was supposed to legalize in March of 24 of this year, where it was supposed to include for mental illness only.

00:07:46.820 So we just had this conversation right before.

00:07:49.360 So what, I mean, let's put a pin in that.

00:07:51.860 What do we mean by mental illness?

00:07:53.060 Are we talking about schizophrenia?

00:07:54.160 No, depression, schizophrenia, bipolar 2.

00:07:57.940 We just had a lady, we had her death scheduled, was scheduled last week.

00:08:01.260 We got it stopped because she had bipolar 2 cycling, and she did not qualify.

00:08:06.860 But she was going to be mated because she was offered euthanasia after the first Zoom call with Dr. Ellen Weave in Vancouver, 0.79

00:08:12.600 after she doctor-shopped because she could not get qualified in her province.

00:08:17.300 Right.

00:08:17.840 So she could have been having a manic episode.

00:08:20.180 She was.

00:08:20.440 So she was having a manic episode, and so she's not in a fit state of mind to agree to anything.

00:08:27.360 With multiple suicide attempts as well and hospitalizations on her record.

00:08:30.960 These doctors do not check the medical records, by the way.

00:08:33.780 They do not have to.

00:08:34.560 They are not liable to.

00:08:35.580 All that it states in the criminal code is that they have to say this.

00:08:38.200 If I was of the opinion that the patient had an ear remedial or grievous condition, that's all they have to say.

00:08:47.700 After that, they are completely legal and allowed to then euthanize.

00:08:50.960 But that's horrifying, because that's not what the Hippocratic oath is, do no harm.

00:08:58.760 That's in direct contravention of that.

00:09:01.060 Well, we're making our healthcare practitioners executioners, and we don't think about the morality,

00:09:06.480 and I've been thinking about this a lot, the morality around what we are asking people who have gone into a system to help and heal.

00:09:13.100 We are now turning them into murderers and killers and people who are advocating for suicide when people are vulnerable.

00:09:19.960 For example, we had a girl in British Columbia last year, June of 2023, walked into Vancouver Hospital.

00:09:28.620 She was suicidal.

00:09:30.500 She was concerned for her own safety.

00:09:31.920 She walked herself in, which is, by the way, the right thing to do. 0.96

00:09:36.020 She was met by the doctors who told her she couldn't see a psychiatrist for six months.

00:09:39.940 Six months, there was no beds available, no psychiatry.

00:09:43.700 And then she was then sat down while the nurse put her hand on her knee and said, 0.96

00:09:48.120 Have you heard of MAID?

00:09:50.320 To a vulnerable person who just expressed that she was suicidal,

00:09:54.360 the nurse then offered her to explain to her what medical assistance in dying was. 0.60

00:10:01.520 This is like taking a...

00:10:04.540 So it's like, you want to kill yourself, we'll help you. 0.81

00:10:07.160 A thousand percent.

00:10:08.120 And Simon's Department Store, for example, a couple years ago, I started squawking about this online.

00:10:12.560 Simon's Department Store from Quebec, they're just like a clothing home sort of deal.

00:10:16.560 And they decided they were going to run an ad, okay?

00:10:18.320 Did you guys hear about this ad ever?

00:10:19.940 No.

00:10:20.140 Oh, it was wild.

00:10:21.340 I know it's so depressing.

00:10:22.280 I apologize.

00:10:22.720 So what they did is they had this lady who, by the way, only was choosing MAID because she couldn't get health care in Canada.

00:10:30.680 That was it.

00:10:31.380 Couldn't get health care, couldn't get access to treatment.

00:10:33.360 She was in so much pain.

00:10:34.320 And they did an ad of her on the beach with cliffs behind her with bubbles in the floating air talking about how she was going to cross the Rainbow Bridge and it was going to be beautiful and gorgeous and peaceful.

00:10:44.700 A department store was soft launching with other vulnerable people and young adolescents watching that commercial on TV.

00:10:51.600 Euthanasia.

00:10:54.800 It's the slow drip.

00:10:56.640 It's the frog in the boiling pot. 1.00

00:10:58.420 It's now us saying that we will kill you if you're struggling. 0.99

00:11:02.500 People like Dying with Dignity and CAMMAP. 0.95

00:11:04.260 So let's talk about what CAMMAP is for a second.

00:11:06.360 CAMMAP is the Canadian Association for Maid Practitioners.

00:11:09.940 They are the ones that go around and educate doctors on how to not only get your patient qualified, but then to how to do it, the drugs to do it, and how you can escape the system, if you will.

00:11:20.880 Because like I said going back, in March of 2024, was supposed to include children, mature minors, down to the age of 12.

00:11:30.400 Let's pause on that for a second.

00:11:31.740 That's insane.

00:11:32.800 And then mental illness alone.

00:11:37.600 Mental illness or mental health?

00:11:39.700 Mental illness.

00:11:40.700 Because that's one of the distinctions that is really blurred in our society.

00:11:44.860 Because, you know, if you're depressed every now and again, that's mental ill health.

00:11:49.420 Whereas if you have schizophrenia, that's mental illness.

00:11:52.120 Do you know what I mean?

00:11:52.940 Yeah.

00:11:53.280 So it's a little tricky, right?

00:11:54.660 Because a lot of times people are multiple.

00:11:56.340 They have multiple diagnoses.

00:11:57.560 Right.

00:11:57.920 So like for me, when I was in the army, it was post-traumatic stress.

00:12:00.380 And then last week, I just won my case against Veterans Affairs after suing them for two years.

00:12:05.100 And when you look at the reason I won, it's because 11 of the 13 symptoms of TBI and post-traumatic stress overlap.

00:12:11.860 So I was finally able to get the diagnoses of my traumatic brain injury separate from that.

00:12:15.940 So mental illness, PTSD, mental injury, mental health, other things.

00:12:20.040 Well, we were talking about the fitness component right before about how important it is to stay moving.

00:12:25.160 How important it is what you put in your mouth because it is directly responsible for 90% of the serotonin that goes to your brain.

00:12:32.260 When we talk about things like our broken systems, our health care, our food systems, no wonder people are on more SSRIs than they've ever been, which is serotonin drugs for depression.

00:12:43.600 No wonder they are on all of these other drugs for mood stabilizers. 0.98

00:12:47.420 It's because we feed our children garbage. 0.99

00:12:49.740 We tell them they don't need to move. 0.97

00:12:51.240 And we tell them that it's perfectly okay to sit in front of video games all the time.

00:12:54.200 And then we wonder why they're depressed and want to kill themselves.

00:12:57.540 It's not rocket science.

00:12:59.660 It's just not.

00:13:00.320 So going back to this clause.

00:13:04.220 Okay, so in 2024, March, it was supposed to include this and it was supposed to be just that alone.

00:13:09.740 What had happened at that point is we were getting phone calls from group homes in Vancouver and other locations hearing about groups of teenagers that were making a suicide pact that once this went into law, they were all going to walk in together.

00:13:22.860 These kids are being manipulated to believe through people like Dying With Dignity's children's books that this is a peaceful situation, that it is wonderful and you are a burden to society, so you should eradicate yourself.

00:13:37.460 They literally have a children's coloring book on their website that talks about how the death is going to happen, what it's going to do, and about the lungs, which I spoke about on Jordan Peterson, which was the mechanism of death that exploded.

00:13:50.520 And it's because we paralyzed you first, your lungs fill with fluid, two times the amount, and you drown to death, and it's a death by waterboarding or akin to drowning.

00:13:59.660 So when people say this is peaceful, that's a lie, and I can tell you why.

00:14:04.300 Because under CAM maps, statistics and the way that they train their doctors, which is under the BMJ, you guys can find it anywhere, and if you go into the NIH, they have the list of drugs, but it states very, very clearly, this is recommended drugs and recommended dosage, not necessarily the ones that need to be used.

00:14:22.940 That right there leaves the door open for absolutely any drug to be used.

00:14:26.840 We know the amount of propovol they use burns your veins, so you're in excruciating pain, but you don't feel it because the first drug they give you is to calm your anxiety and your fear.

00:14:36.780 That's literally the words that they use.

00:14:38.340 And then the second one is a paralytic, and then the third one shuts everything down, if it shuts everything down.

00:14:44.120 And I say if very aggressively because it is mandatory to have two MAID kits for a reason.

00:14:51.100 So you get a double dose?

00:14:52.680 No, it's in case it doesn't work the first time.

00:14:54.600 And there has been cases of people who have suffered for up to 31 hours.

00:15:04.360 Sorry, Maeve.

00:15:05.260 No, no, it's, it's, I mean, it's not fine.

00:15:07.600 It's awful.

00:15:09.120 Kids.

00:15:10.300 How can you justify euthanizing kids?

00:15:14.460 Well, Quebec is including infancy for children up to the age of one now.

00:15:18.540 What?

00:15:18.980 That's what they have there.

00:15:20.780 So the health care director, the, what is it called?

00:15:24.740 It is the physician, the college physicians, I'm not going to say the name of the individual.

00:15:29.740 They have lobbied and stated that they would like to have the right for emphasize for children up to the age of one or children that are born with such a debilitating,

00:15:39.560 uh, from, uh, uh, debilitating issue that they then can qualify for medical assistance and dying.

00:15:47.620 So what do they classify as a debilitating issue?

00:15:50.460 Well, they seem to think things like Down syndrome are, or, uh, was it, uh, what was the other one that I just read?

00:15:57.000 A spina bifida.

00:15:57.840 Somebody just qualified for spina bifida.

00:15:59.660 Uh, we also have individuals qualifying for hearing loss.

00:16:02.640 Uh, people who are blind, uh, we have individuals.

00:16:05.080 Hold on, hold on.

00:16:06.340 So if you have a blind baby, you can have them euthanized. 0.99

00:16:09.520 They are saying that, is that, is that issue going to be an irremediable, grievous condition for that child to grow up in? 0.99

00:16:18.440 So if you, if you feel that your child is blind or deaf and therefore is likely to suffer, you can have them killed.

00:16:27.480 Quebec is discussing this as their new, this is the, the college of physicians. 0.64

00:16:31.180 So this isn't approved yet.

00:16:32.640 Well, so here's the thing.

00:16:33.860 When you say, is it approved? 0.99

00:16:35.480 This is where my, I get a little cranky about it because it's not approved to kill people with mental illness yet. 0.99

00:16:41.020 We're doing it.

00:16:41.840 And the way they skate the system and you can look at under BC stats, under the healthcare report last year under MAID is the first thing they state is that what is the main issue, right?

00:16:50.780 So here's my example, Constantine, I'm really struggling.

00:16:53.940 I'm really depressed.

00:16:55.440 Okay. 1.00

00:16:55.640 But we can't kill you until 2027 because of the mental illness. 0.99

00:16:59.180 So let's look at what else is going on. 0.98

00:17:00.920 Well, I have to have knee surgery and I'm a runner and I can't run right now.

00:17:04.220 Oh, is that very distressing for you?

00:17:05.680 Yes.

00:17:05.940 I can't live without running.

00:17:07.480 Well, that's your first line item.

00:17:10.700 Right?

00:17:11.160 So that's irremediable for me.

00:17:12.340 I need to move.

00:17:13.040 I can't.

00:17:13.980 What's your comorbidity?

00:17:14.880 Underneath, it'll say other and under British Columbia, it'll say 90%.

00:17:19.260 And when you look up what the definition of other is, depression, fibromyalgia, fragility, diabetes.

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00:18:54.040 But hang on a second.

00:19:02.240 Most people in their life will suffer a severe depressive episode because life is brutal.

00:19:08.080 It's hard and horrible things happen.

00:19:09.840 Right.

00:19:11.240 You can't just, because somebody is having a severely depressive, a severe depressive episode, you can't just go, maybe think about killing yourself.

00:19:18.860 But they are doing that.

00:19:19.920 So why can you say that you can't?

00:19:21.420 Because they are and they have been for years and nobody wants to talk about it.

00:19:24.460 But they are, they are and they have.

00:19:27.200 And I have records of people, for example, last night and all last week and the week before that, because I have this married band of weirdos that we hang out with that are not accepting this anymore.

00:19:39.040 Because every person I surround myself with now, mother has been killed illegally with maid, like Alicia Duncan. 1.00

00:19:44.520 Dr. Christopher Lyon, who's at York University, father was killed with maid.

00:19:47.960 We have WV and MV, who is, he's currently fighting to keep his autistic daughter from getting killed by maid in Alberta right now. 0.55

00:19:54.720 It's insane.

00:19:55.540 And then we get a phone call, and I mean a cold call, because they found me from Jordan Peterson.

00:19:59.220 So thank you for that.

00:20:00.680 Because now a woman is alive because of that show. 0.99

00:20:03.620 Genuinely.

00:20:04.280 So we're going to talk about it.

00:20:05.800 It blew up in the media this week.

00:20:07.240 That's why I asked you if you had heard about it.

00:20:08.860 I can't say the names of the people.

00:20:10.160 Obviously, the court case, I can't.

00:20:12.720 This father called my friend Alicia Duncan, whose mother was killed, and said, my wife has akathasia, like Jordan did.

00:20:21.220 She was on, she had bipolar cycling too.

00:20:24.480 She was on barbiturates and other medications.

00:20:27.280 She's tried to wean off.

00:20:28.420 It has not gone well.

00:20:29.240 We found out she went behind her back and she applied for, she doctor shopped and applied for maid outside of the province because she could not get qualified in our province. 1.00

00:20:37.240 There was two Zoom calls.

00:20:39.180 She was approved on the first 60-minute Zoom call with no medical records, with no discussion with her doctors, with no discussion with friends or family, or no discussion to even prove that she had that issue.

00:20:51.240 Which, by the way, she has a history of mental health problems. 1.00

00:20:53.820 So, she got approved.

00:20:55.980 They were flying out last week to British Columbia to Willow Reproductive Health in Vancouver with Ellen Wiebe, and Ellen was supposed to execute her at 7 p.m. on Sunday last week. 0.99

00:21:07.960 Okay?

00:21:08.220 We got a hold of the family and provided everything we could, and they got an emergency in the 11th hour for the first time in British Columbia, an injunction put in for 30 days to protect this woman from herself.

00:21:20.320 This only happened because people are talking now that this is wrong.

00:21:23.780 The reason Ellen Wiebe needs to be investigated immediately, immediately, is because as of 2022, and this was in the National Post as well as several other, including Liz Carr's documentary, up to March of 2022, she had killed over 400 people alone.

00:21:40.960 She has stopped saying the numbers since.

00:21:44.060 That's two years ago.

00:21:45.900 She does abortions by day and does maids by night. 0.99

00:21:48.900 She's even picked her own patients up at the airport, brought them, which is completely unprofessional, brought them to her place in Vancouver, sat them on her couch and killed her, which is herself. 1.00

00:21:59.480 And if you can't find a second assessor, she'll find it for you, and she'll do it in 24 hours.

00:22:06.020 Okay.

00:22:07.200 What you're saying is, it's horrific.

00:22:10.300 It's awful.

00:22:12.500 Let me just talk about this, like the other side of this argument.

00:22:17.300 What do we do with people who are profoundly mentally unwell, who have tried to kill themselves time and time again?

00:22:24.080 And let's be honest about it.

00:22:25.920 They will.

00:22:27.180 And there have always been those people.

00:22:29.200 Those people exist.

00:22:30.360 They live in a state of profound mental suffering. 0.94

00:22:34.160 There are people out there who are going to go, isn't it better that they have made than they go and try and hang themselves?

00:22:43.680 Tell me why.

00:22:44.500 No.

00:22:45.060 Because I'm one of those people.

00:22:47.100 Because for a decade of my life, I wanted to kill myself.

00:22:49.760 I planned it.

00:22:50.160 I tried it.

00:22:50.600 I've done all of that.

00:22:51.960 I was told I would never heal from anything that ever happened to me ever at 19 years old.

00:22:57.220 So no.

00:22:57.800 Hard stop, no. 0.76

00:22:58.980 Every life has value.

00:23:00.380 We have done this conversation in our society where we have begun to devalue humans at a rate and a pace that I cannot wrap my brain around.

00:23:09.280 We have told people that they are not worthy of life, that they are not worthy of living, and they're not worthy of working on, that they are not worthy of getting better. 0.97

00:23:16.300 Because it is a health care burden on the system because we bring in too many damn people in Canada. 1.00

00:23:21.100 We can't see doctors for 24 months. 0.91

00:23:23.180 The only reason I got to see a doctor about my knee is because I called my mentor, who called a professional sports team, who called another professional sports team.

00:23:30.840 It's the only reason.

00:23:32.220 Otherwise, I was on a 24-month wait list.

00:23:34.940 We have a broken system, and MAID is a symptom of a sick society. 1.00

00:23:38.880 And nothing more than that.

00:23:40.500 It is no different than the way that the Nazis went around from 41 to 45, convincing parents and World War I shell shock, post-traumatic stress victims that they should be handed over to the state and euthanized because it was easier to deal with. 0.76

00:23:54.220 Because how dare they have to struggle in life?

00:23:56.260 Part of the reason why people who are able to come out of depressive states and injuries and ailments is not because they had some magic support system.

00:24:10.220 It's because they had a will to live.

00:24:11.740 And when you take the will to live off the table, people will start dying and saying, what's the point?

00:24:18.420 What's the point?

00:24:19.200 Why should I try?

00:24:20.220 I have major depressive disorder.

00:24:21.820 I have post-traumatic stress disorder.

00:24:23.880 I have treatment-resistant depression.

00:24:25.680 I am one of the very few in Canada that has access to special access program for scheduled drugs that are not on the system yet, like psilocybin.

00:24:32.840 One of the reasons why we should never, ever tell anybody that they need to quit is so, well, one of the main reasons is we have treatment solutions.

00:24:42.120 We have them.

00:24:42.840 I'm not talking about pharmaceutical intervention.

00:24:45.060 I'm talking about just like the conversation we just had about Peter Atiyah.

00:24:48.300 Move your body.

00:24:49.400 Eat, right?

00:24:50.100 Get some sleep. 1.00

00:24:51.080 Turn the fucking news off because it's depressing and it's literally killing you because you are the sum of the five sounds, people, anything around you. 1.00

00:24:58.200 Anything that goes in and in and in, it will drastically affect this. 1.00

00:25:01.780 We have no communities.

00:25:03.320 We have lack of purpose.

00:25:04.380 We have lack of drive.

00:25:05.580 We have lack of wants to do anything in their lives.

00:25:08.720 I am not a person I ever thought would be depressed, but there were several times where I lied in bed for weeks.

00:25:15.120 Does that mean I deserve to die because life was hard?

00:25:17.980 No, I went through something hard.

00:25:19.720 So you have the right team.

00:25:21.240 You have the right people.

00:25:22.040 You have the right community.

00:25:23.080 You have other healing modalities.

00:25:25.380 For example, this is another reason.

00:25:27.800 I was in Parliament this weekend speaking on behalf of PSICAN.

00:25:30.620 These are the legal regulators of psychedelics in Canada.

00:25:34.980 I was part of the clinical trial last year with a synthetic macro dose of psilocybin for treatment-resistant depression.

00:25:43.000 Before the government and Health Canada would give me access to mushrooms, they wanted me to do electroshock therapy.

00:25:50.420 Wow.

00:25:50.520 That was their answer, and I have it in writing.

00:25:54.640 And I did it at a press conference and spoke about it this week.

00:25:58.300 Canada's solution to depression is SSRI's electroshock therapy, and if that doesn't work, how about MAID?

00:26:03.520 I mean, that is, that's awful.

00:26:08.700 They would go from SSRI's where, let's be fair, the data is murky at best when it comes to their effectiveness.

00:26:15.760 Yes.

00:26:16.060 And if that doesn't work, you go to electroshock therapy?

00:26:19.500 Yeah, they said, so I have, I literally have documents to prove this, because all you have to show for a treatment-resistant is that I've tried all the healing modalities, which I had, all of them, and then I wanted access to regulated psilocybin.

00:26:32.300 Let's be honest, I was going to go get it without them anyway, but I wanted to do it legally.

00:26:35.360 And the first phone call I got was, okay, Kelsey, I know what the answer is going to be on this, but I need to hear you say the words.

00:26:41.700 Health Canada wants you to try electroshock therapy.

00:26:45.260 And I said, well, are they aware I have a traumatic brain injury?

00:26:47.760 And they said, yes.

00:26:49.520 And their answer was, that's okay, she'll be unconscious, so if she throws an epileptic fit, we can control it. 0.97

00:26:55.520 Okay, there are a lot of people who are listening to this who think electroshock therapy is from 1910, 1920.

00:27:05.680 Yes.

00:27:06.140 Let's talk about what that means and the impacts of it and the side effects and why they do it.

00:27:12.000 Well, I'm not a doctor, so I can give you what I know.

00:27:13.880 Yes, absolutely.

00:27:14.960 As a coach and a podcaster and a mom and all that.

00:27:18.980 So electroshock therapy is where they put you under, they put a mouth guard on your mouth, they grab two electrodes, and they put them on your temple.

00:27:25.520 And they shock your brain.

00:27:26.980 And they can't control what parts die.

00:27:29.060 They can't control what parts get affected.

00:27:31.720 But that's what happens.

00:27:33.460 And so part of the problem is when we are treating people with subpar medicine, when we have access to the greatest medicine there is, i.e. plant medicine, MDMA, we've seen the clinical trials coming out with psilocybin and MDMA.

00:27:46.020 And it's just unbelievable.

00:27:48.160 And anecdotally, I have been in circles with ayahuasca, with grown men who I have seen do a 180 on depressive states and want to be part of their families and their lives.

00:27:57.160 I have seen people go into remission with post-traumatic stress because of plant medicine.

00:28:00.660 There is no reason at all we should be offering MAID ever.

00:28:05.920 So why is it happening?

00:28:07.520 It's a cost-saving measure.

00:28:09.040 It's a massive, massive burden on society when you have a lot of people that are sick, a lot of people that are unwell, and you have a lot of individuals right now because they target veterans first.

00:28:17.540 And we'll get into that.

00:28:18.760 You have a lot of people that cost the government a lot of money.

00:28:21.420 And we've got to send that money to Ukraine.

00:28:22.900 Don't you know that?

00:28:23.700 That Canada has just, you know, committed another.

00:28:25.540 One of the Nazis in government has just admitted, what's her name, Christina Freeland, just admitted and just said we're going to give another, like, what was it, a few hundred million per year over to another government when we have the highest opioid epidemic in North America on the east side of Vancouver.

00:28:38.920 We don't want to address that because we decrim there. 0.99

00:28:41.060 That makes us money.

00:28:42.400 And then we, what was it, in 2021, just by not providing palliative care and by doing euthanasia instead, they saved $86.9 million in one year.

00:28:51.900 So if you look at the stats, so when I was on Piers Morgan last year, the one thing that caught people's attention was the numbers.

00:28:57.940 So let's just say the numbers.

00:28:59.260 2021, it was 10,000.

00:29:01.060 2022 was 13,000.

00:29:02.980 2024 is 15,241.

00:29:05.580 We have a massive escalation ever since track two has kicked into gear.

00:29:10.400 Okay?

00:29:10.840 Let's just put that into perspective.

00:29:12.280 In that same time frame, California, with the same amount of individuals as Canada, has only euthanized 841 people because it was made there.

00:29:21.900 It was me giving you the drug and you taking said drug.

00:29:24.800 Because people don't want to die, man.

00:29:28.760 Because if they did, they would actually go do the thing.

00:29:31.000 They don't want to die.

00:29:32.460 It's a scream for help.

00:29:33.900 It's a please help me, fix me.

00:29:36.200 Something's wrong.

00:29:36.860 I don't know what to do and I don't have the resources.

00:29:39.300 But instead we go, okay, well, if you don't want to do it, here's how we'll do it.

00:29:42.620 Well, you're not track one.

00:29:44.240 So we can't do it within 24 hours.

00:29:46.040 But you're track two.

00:29:47.200 So how do we get you to track one so we can make it happen faster?

00:29:49.820 Well, we can't advise suicide, but you know what we can advise?

00:29:53.440 Like Stephanie Green does. 0.96

00:29:55.780 Oh, stop eating and drinking.

00:29:58.900 Stop eating and drinking.

00:30:00.240 If you stop eating and drinking, guess what happens?

00:30:03.020 Boop.

00:30:03.320 You move to track one. 1.00

00:30:04.760 You can be killed in 24 hours.

00:30:07.320 So it's a cost-saving measure. 0.99

00:30:09.280 Massive cost-saving measure.

00:30:10.500 I also think there's a more sinister side behind it.

00:30:12.340 But when you look at things like Dr. Christopher Lyons' paper that was just published, he's

00:30:16.840 from York.

00:30:17.240 He's from Canada.

00:30:18.020 He works at York University.

00:30:19.920 And he just did this incredible paper called On Healthcare Serial Killers.

00:30:24.620 That's a real thing, man.

00:30:26.220 Because the way that Canada works, ready for this?

00:30:29.420 Maid and euthanasia is a self-reporting system with no safeguards.

00:30:34.320 Meaning, Constantine, you're a nurse.

00:30:37.400 You go to a bunch of hospitals, you qualify people for euthanasia, and you do it, okay?

00:30:41.560 Say you do a lot of them.

00:30:43.040 Say you do too many of them.

00:30:45.140 I don't know, Ellen Wiebe, for example. 0.68

00:30:46.980 And then you go, I'm going to go work somewhere else.

00:30:50.000 They don't get to see any of that.

00:30:51.800 They don't get to know about that.

00:30:53.660 It's a self-reporting system.

00:30:55.240 So it's also a self-reporting system when you provide the documents to the coroner's office

00:31:00.220 report, which means when we look at the stats and we go, this many people have been

00:31:04.980 euthanized, but this many maid kits have been prescribed.

00:31:09.720 Why are the numbers off, guys?

00:31:11.860 Why are they off by a lot?

00:31:13.980 So many, actually.

00:31:15.660 And then you look at the United States.

00:31:17.500 Ten states in one jurisdiction.

00:31:19.660 Ten states in one jurisdiction.

00:31:21.020 And right now, all across the country, in those states, they are voting to expand euthanasia

00:31:26.920 and maid in America. 0.82

00:31:28.380 And nobody has a clue.

00:31:30.320 New Jersey just cracked over 100 deaths in a year.

00:31:32.800 What?

00:31:33.700 Anybody paying attention to that?

00:31:35.720 They are qualifying people who do not qualify.

00:31:38.660 And they are doing it at a pace that is terrifying.

00:31:41.260 And that's why when you look at things like healthcare serial killers, that's a real reality.

00:31:44.680 We're here now.

00:31:45.380 We're super here.

00:31:46.220 And so it's cost saving. 0.91

00:31:47.200 You also have a percentage of the population that are genuine psychopaths.

00:31:50.840 I'm not using that word to be facetious. 0.90

00:31:52.620 I'm using it in the genuine narcissistic psychopaths.

00:31:56.400 You've got the people who don't want to see people suffer. 0.85

00:31:58.360 So it's like the mercy killing, right?

00:31:59.800 It's like the, oh, this baby was suffering, so we'll just use that.

00:32:02.560 Or the grandma or the grandpa.

00:32:03.840 But then you have the people like us who are in our age group who are going through hard

00:32:08.560 things, who are just really, really depressed.

00:32:10.400 So we find other comorbidities to make sure they qualify.

00:32:13.480 And if you don't qualify, well, just stop eating or drinking.

00:32:16.080 Because in medicine, it's always, there's always existed that thing of like, we know this person

00:32:23.980 is dying.

00:32:25.040 We're just going to make it a little bit easier.

00:32:27.080 That's the double blind.

00:32:27.960 That's different.

00:32:29.000 Okay.

00:32:29.360 Explain that.

00:32:30.220 So there is, so Dr. Joel Zivitt was the testimony I gave on Peterson.

00:32:34.600 And it was, he's the anesthesiologist from Emory State University.

00:32:37.920 He's also Canadian, but he's also the head of the critical care over there.

00:32:41.280 And he's one of the best anesthesiologists you've got.

00:32:43.460 But he's the one that discovered the, with the Freedom of Information Act, with the NPR,

00:32:48.880 he discovered the largest autopsy report and was the one that discovered the heavy lungs

00:32:54.640 and what it was doing to the lungs.

00:32:56.000 You go into a pulmonary edemic state and you drown in your own fluids.

00:32:58.660 And that's why patients and individuals would say, I heard grandma gargling. 0.98

00:33:03.500 Grandma was drowning in her own body with a paralytic.

00:33:07.180 So she looked peaceful.

00:33:08.260 So you just watched essentially waterboarding.

00:33:11.540 So enjoy that for the rest of your life.

00:33:13.460 Um, so we, we are doing these things to people and we are justifying it in a way that is insane.

00:33:24.080 And so when we say that, um, sorry, say what you want to repeat what you wanted me to say there.

00:33:29.480 The other question you had.

00:33:30.620 So, um, the doctor's helping people.

00:33:32.560 Yeah.

00:33:32.760 So the double blind.

00:33:33.560 So sorry, Joel was saying to me, look, the double blind works like this.

00:33:37.220 Somebody comes in.

00:33:38.140 I see that they are suffering, suffering, suffering.

00:33:40.100 They are terminally ill.

00:33:41.000 They're going to pass.

00:33:41.700 He goes, I have to see that the individual is uncomfortable, right?

00:33:47.740 And at a certain point, their lungs and their heart rate are going to be this.

00:33:53.220 And in order for me to keep them comfortable, I'm going to have to increase the medication.

00:33:57.160 He has to then have the conversation with the family that if I increase this medication,

00:34:02.480 the chances of this happening and their heart rate slowing and all of that go down,

00:34:06.100 which means, and then the heart will probably stop.

00:34:08.320 This is the conversation I had with Peter Atiyah's wife, right?

00:34:10.960 Why can't we just use potassium chloride?

00:34:12.760 Why can't we just stop the heart?

00:34:13.820 Why do we have to use all of these other drugs that burn the system and do these things?

00:34:16.860 Why? 0.99

00:34:17.500 This is ridiculous. 0.95

00:34:18.680 Well, it makes people a lot of money like Pfizer. 0.90

00:34:20.200 So when you do the double blind, there's just the conversation that happens.

00:34:23.760 That's not made or euthanasia.

00:34:25.360 That's I'm providing pain relief, which at some point will then lower the blood pressure and stop that.

00:34:32.520 That's a different thing than euthanasia and made.

00:34:35.240 Euthanasia is, okay, here's my scheduled time.

00:34:37.100 I'm going to go walk into the office.

00:34:38.160 I'm going to sit in the chair.

00:34:39.080 You're going to hook my IV up and you're going to push the drugs.

00:34:42.040 Wow.

00:34:43.280 So what do we do with those people, for instance, like my comedy hero, Robin Williams,

00:34:47.720 who was diagnosed with Lew body dementia?

00:34:49.440 An awful, terrible illness.

00:34:53.040 People who have been diagnosed with Alzheimer's, who know that they are going to fade away

00:34:58.760 until they become an unrecognizable version of themselves,

00:35:02.860 who is going to be dependent on their family and a drain on their family,

00:35:07.420 and will say, and I completely understand this, I don't want to go out like that.

00:35:12.280 The moment I stop being me, that's it.

00:35:15.060 I'm done.

00:35:15.700 I'm tapping out.

00:35:16.460 What do we do with people like that?

00:35:18.320 Better palliative care.

00:35:21.720 Palliative care has to increase.

00:35:23.960 Governments do not fund palliative care.

00:35:26.140 If anything, they actually shut them down.

00:35:27.640 Delta Hospice Society in British Columbia was forced out by the government

00:35:30.640 because they refused to do MAID in their facility.

00:35:33.260 They wanted you to be able to die a natural death.

00:35:35.680 The government does not provide funding for palliative care.

00:35:38.600 Furthermore, people like Dying with Dignity have now lobbied in the government

00:35:42.360 for all the individuals who have, the Catholic institutions that have religious exemption,

00:35:48.040 they're lobbying to remove that.

00:35:49.880 There is no place in Canada where you will not be euthanized.

00:35:54.900 Palliative care is a 50-year medical science that keeps people comfortable

00:35:58.820 and keeps them in a state where they can live out their natural life and death.

00:36:05.040 Well, that's a very idealized version of palliative care.

00:36:07.720 It's not necessarily available for everybody.

00:36:10.820 Some people have pain that cannot be controlled medically.

00:36:15.280 Some people, as Francis says, are not really themselves anymore.

00:36:18.820 I'll be honest with you.

00:36:22.300 I can envisage circumstances in which I would want that option to be available to me.

00:36:26.760 I can envisage circumstances in which I would want that option to be available to people that I love.

00:36:33.780 So do you think that should never be available under any circumstances?

00:36:38.380 So here's where the line kind of gets a little blurred, right?

00:36:41.440 Because being somebody who has a traumatic brain injury,

00:36:44.180 I have a 30% higher chance of early-onset dementia and Alzheimer's.

00:36:47.220 Like, I know that.

00:36:47.800 I'm unconsciously aware of that.

00:36:48.860 And I am of the belief that once I check out, nobody needs to be around this.

00:36:51.980 We have a hard enough time now.

00:36:54.340 So I am a big believer in that.

00:36:56.720 And I do understand.

00:36:57.860 The mechanism of death is horrific, and we are doing it wrong.

00:37:02.040 Let's start with that.

00:37:03.360 We're drowning people to death in their own fluids while their loved ones watch and think it's peaceful.

00:37:07.240 That's not acceptable behavior in any way, shape, or form.

00:37:10.960 We don't even do that to our dogs.

00:37:13.280 And then you come into the morality issue around this, right?

00:37:16.280 What do we do for these individuals?

00:37:17.760 Well, it's a hard one.

00:37:22.320 Because when you start to allow the government to control your body, the government will inevitably abuse the system.

00:37:29.880 And that's what we're seeing right now.

00:37:31.300 So I would like to say that we should be able to do this for individuals who truly need it.

00:37:40.280 But Canada doesn't use euthanasia as a last resort like the Netherlands or Belgium.

00:37:45.960 They use it as a treatment option.

00:37:48.000 Yeah.

00:37:49.000 We'll get you back to the interview in a minute.

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00:39:02.460 And now, back to the interview.

00:39:06.020 Do you think this is inevitable because all over the world now you see this healthcare costs are skyrocketing?

00:39:13.460 We've got an aging population.

00:39:14.880 We've got a more obese population.

00:39:18.180 There's all sorts of other things going on.

00:39:20.020 The longer people live, basically.

00:39:21.360 You end up in a position where you have older people who in their last years, last few years of their life, the healthcare costs are like 10 times what they were their entire life before that.

00:39:34.100 And also, economically, the situation is governments, countries are in massive levels of debt.

00:39:42.880 You know, in the UK, the healthcare system is not coping.

00:39:45.700 It's just not coping, right?

00:39:47.260 Yeah.

00:39:47.380 Likewise, I think, in Canada, too.

00:39:49.640 Very similar, yeah.

00:39:51.240 Do you think this is why this stuff is actually really happening?

00:39:53.940 It's like we just can't afford to look after people?

00:39:56.120 Is the mindset of government?

00:39:58.600 I think it's a portion, for sure.

00:39:59.960 Of course it's going to be. 0.99

00:40:00.840 I mean, I think one of the answers to it, and this may seem like a very simplistic answer, but I think at the core of the issue is stop funding fucking wars. 0.99

00:40:09.880 Am I wrong? 0.97

00:40:14.660 You are, actually, yeah.

00:40:15.960 Okay, so explain to me, because we're spending billions of dollars on ammunition weapon systems to go other places.

00:40:21.400 We're not looking after our own people, keeping our money in the country.

00:40:24.040 We're not doing a damn thing about it, and then we're overtaxing people until it breaks them, because we're not killing.

00:40:28.720 That's the thing in Canada.

00:40:30.340 We're not killing people that need it.

00:40:33.060 We're killing the homeless, because they can't afford to live. 0.99

00:40:36.860 We're killing the addicts, because we're giving them the drugs and vending machines outside of Toronto Hospital with crack pipes in it. 0.99

00:40:42.840 Sure, but that's a different issue. 0.51

00:40:44.400 I think what I mean about war is simply this, that if you, you know, Thomas Sowell has this great way of thinking about things,

00:40:55.800 which is, it's kind of the bedrock of the conservative worldview, really, which is, if you want to think about what's likely to happen in the future, you have to look at the past.

00:41:04.560 Right.

00:41:04.820 There has never been a time in human history where there hasn't been war.

00:41:07.980 It's just an unavoidable reality of human existence, right?

00:41:11.460 So when you say funding war, big states always are going to assert their interests around the world, and part of that is going to be muscular, right?

00:41:22.220 It's going to be physical.

00:41:22.960 The moment you stop doing that, other people who are prepared to do that will dominate the world.

00:41:29.040 So you can't really escape.

00:41:30.520 For sure.

00:41:31.080 You know that, right?

00:41:32.100 No, for sure, I understand that concept.

00:41:34.020 But the concept, the idea around sending hundreds of billions of dollars outside of the country that's already in debt.

00:41:41.460 I'm talking about Canada.

00:41:42.500 I'm not talking about the United States.

00:41:43.500 United States has its own ballgame.

00:41:44.800 Canada follows that.

00:41:45.720 It's coattails everywhere we go, like everywhere else.

00:41:47.680 So I'm talking about Canada.

00:41:49.700 I'm talking about foreign interference. 0.95

00:41:51.600 I'm talking about taking money and putting it in other places.

00:41:54.440 We have no business being.

00:41:55.820 We don't have people there.

00:41:57.540 Why are we sending it there?

00:41:58.900 We don't have any foreign interest there.

00:42:00.840 Why are we sending it there?

00:42:02.000 Well, it depends which conflict you're talking about.

00:42:03.980 I mean, look.

00:42:04.260 Well, that's my point.

00:42:05.100 Well, hold on.

00:42:06.020 We're funding everything.

00:42:06.760 Well, I wouldn't go that far.

00:42:08.240 I think if you look at the two big conflicts that are happening in the world now, Israel and Ukraine, if Canada wants to be part of Pax Americana, which it does, right?

00:42:19.220 It's the same with Europeans. 1.00

00:42:20.960 You know, this is – we had Nick Freitas on the show, and he talked about this.

00:42:24.700 He was like, look, if you want to go and defend European interests in Eastern Europe, you need to stump up the cash.

00:42:31.100 Right.

00:42:31.280 That's, to me, the issue, but ultimately, you know, this is what actually Europe has done for a long time now, and Canada to some extent, too.

00:42:39.920 It's like you operate under the American security umbrella, and if you want the security and the influence and the wealth and the power that comes with that, you're going to have to do stuff when it's necessary.

00:42:53.020 It's unavoidable, right?

00:42:54.520 There is no – I don't see a way out of it.

00:42:56.960 Now, you fought in war, and so your opinion matters way more than mine.

00:43:00.300 I respect your opinion way more than I respect my own in this.

00:43:03.000 I'm just putting the counterargument to you.

00:43:04.500 Of course.

00:43:04.960 Which is that this idea that you can be the dominant civilization in the world and never go to war or never fund other countries that want to be part of that umbrella to defend themselves, that's not really how it works.

00:43:19.920 I don't disagree with that.

00:43:21.160 I'm not going to argue that point at all.

00:43:22.380 I think you're completely – you're accurate on that.

00:43:24.500 But I think when you start funding things like tampons in the men's bathroom and DEI programs – well, then, okay, but that's my point.

00:43:30.640 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:31.160 But that's not a foreign war thing. 1.00

00:43:32.320 It's the woke mental shit. 0.99

00:43:33.780 Yeah, but the woke mental shit expands out into the war because that's where our troops are being trained, and they're taking all of that ideology and that funding, and they're going into those wars. 0.99

00:43:42.940 When all of that money that didn't need to go into those programs and hiring all those people to go teach them about how not to call somebody a retard, you mean all of that funding couldn't have gone to a healthcare system that's broken? 0.98

00:43:53.400 Yeah, well, that's something we totally agree on.

00:43:55.500 So maybe the war was the wrong use of – the wrong term.

00:43:58.480 Maybe stop funding things outside of the country that don't need to be funded when the priorities need to be in the nations.

00:44:03.760 Well, I think that is something that's very widely shared, actually, around the Western world, which is the idea that we seem to be prioritizing things other than the citizens of our own country.

00:44:13.540 Thousand percent.

00:44:14.160 So maybe that was a wrong choice of words on my part, but you understand what I'm saying is we are funding things right now where even if we took half a percent that we are allocating to weapon systems, to ammunition, which, again, Canada has none of anyway.

00:44:28.460 They're all completely gone, and we are – I mean, there was a new documentary I was just in called Forsaken Warriors, where it breaks down the fall of the Canadian military.

00:44:35.600 I highly encourage you to watch it.

00:44:38.440 It shows you where all of these funds are being allocated.

00:44:41.100 For God's sakes, we just gave – what is it?

00:44:42.620 Somewhere around, like, $50 million to the Chinese.

00:44:44.900 I mean, like, Canada's doing some really weird stuff where that $50 million could have gone to a palliative care facility.

00:44:53.240 And I don't know, maybe not maid house beside Toronto Hospital, which is only designated for euthanasia.

00:44:58.840 We're building facilities to only kill people in.

00:45:01.520 Well, I don't know about Canada, but I hear the same argument being made here in the U.S., and I find it somewhat inaccurate.

00:45:08.320 People go, well, you know, we've got homeless people in the street, but we can afford to send money to Ukraine.

00:45:13.220 And it's like the homeless people in the street thing, it has nothing to do with money.

00:45:17.760 It has literally zero to do with money, and it's all about ideology.

00:45:21.640 It's about the fact that they decided to close all the mental hospitals down because they thought that this is liberation.

00:45:29.660 This is about freedom, right?

00:45:31.480 People who can't exist on their own living on the street and injecting – smoking fentanyl or whatever, that's freedom.

00:45:37.620 It's an ideological issue.

00:45:39.040 If we actually were prepared to deal with the reality of it, which is some people can't function without help, then you wouldn't have homeless people on the street.

00:45:47.080 And it's not about money because they actually cost more money when they're on the street.

00:45:51.400 If you look at the crime and the disorder and all of the things that happen when you have a society that increasingly feels like it's breaking down, wealthy people leave, entrepreneurs leave, they go to other places, and that state doesn't generate as much tax revenue.

00:46:05.300 If you add all of that together – I think Joe had the mayor of Austin on the show a while back, and they talked about this.

00:46:11.240 The average harmless person costs the state a shit ton of money every year.

00:46:17.880 My point being, a lot of these things that people like to pretend are a money issue, they do that because that's easier.

00:46:25.560 It's not a money issue.

00:46:26.740 It's a much worse issue.

00:46:27.860 It's an ideology issue.

00:46:29.180 And so we have that problem in Vancouver, right?

00:46:30.820 I bet you do.

00:46:31.240 So we emptied Riverview.

00:46:32.940 We emptied all of the psych wards, and we put them on the streets.

00:46:35.760 And then we decriminalized drugs.

00:46:37.220 And that's why you have the east side the way it is.

00:46:38.900 And then people are self-medicating to try and cope with whatever is going on for them using these very hardcore drugs.

00:46:46.340 As, by the way, a lot of people would in that situation.

00:46:49.800 I mean, wouldn't you if you had the reality that you were living in a tent on the east side and the chances of you getting raped or murdered are pretty sky high?

00:46:57.300 I mean, we have a funding allocation problem because our governments are overspending.

00:47:02.380 That's for sure.

00:47:03.120 And you can look at whether that's with the schooling system, with the military-industrial complex, whether that's with the health care system.

00:47:09.920 You can look across the board.

00:47:11.300 But you can't tell me that the CEO of CBC getting a few hundred thousand dollar bonus per year is justified.

00:47:18.940 We are doing things where we can say, well, you know, we can send money.

00:47:22.460 We can say, no, no, no, no, the fact of the matter is we're spending money on things that are not helping anybody,

00:47:29.580 are just lining pockets of individuals who have no business having that type of money when the system is breaking down anyway.

00:47:37.020 And then we're going, oh, but we need you to donate because we need you to go help this person because they're an addict or they're homeless.

00:47:44.320 No, dude, you have the money.

00:47:46.300 You have it.

00:47:46.800 You're not allocating it.

00:47:47.780 And I'll tell you right now, I just sat in government this week having this exact conversation.

00:47:53.020 And it was very weird being in a Liberal Party room.

00:47:55.760 It was very strange for me.

00:47:56.760 I can't say I was even allowed in.

00:47:59.480 But I sat down and we said, we want to bring this bill forward to Forest Veterans Affairs to pay for psychedelic assisted therapy for veterans because we see how much it's healing people.

00:48:09.940 And when you heal people that have actually been trained on how to uplift themselves, to be better entrepreneurs, to help society in general, we should be putting into that.

00:48:20.640 And their response was, well, you can put the bill forward.

00:48:24.360 It's got to be read five times.

00:48:26.120 And once it's read and in the first time, if it's not shut down, then you move to the second round and it's a lottery.

00:48:31.240 They said maybe a year and a half.

00:48:33.260 I said, OK, well, let's I said to be transparent with you, I'm going to give you a stat right now that probably will mean nothing to you.

00:48:39.180 But with the 44 a day of people killing themselves in America or dying by suicide, whichever one you want to say, that's 16,000 more people, fathers and mothers that will not be here to look after their children because they took their own lives because you wouldn't let them get access to a mushroom.

00:48:55.520 So you can't sit there and say that the solutions are necessarily I get it.

00:49:02.340 You can't just say that's a money allocation issue.

00:49:04.280 But it definitely goes a little bit deeper to why are we so OK with funding high doses of pharmaceutical intervention for veterans to be vending machines for pharmaceutical companies to be making ungodly amounts of money.

00:49:15.680 But we're not willing to give them access to psilocybin.

00:49:18.340 I'll tell you why.

00:49:19.260 This thing fixes you.

00:49:20.560 This thing keeps you dependent.

00:49:21.700 So there are ways to fix the society so that euthanasia doesn't even have to be an option, at least for the people that don't need it, for the mentally ill children down to the age of 12, infant side, for God's sakes. 0.98

00:49:36.420 We should never be telling somebody, you're deaf, life's going to suck. 1.00

00:49:39.660 I wear two hearing aids.

00:49:42.280 You'll be fine.

00:49:43.800 There's school for deaf.

00:49:44.900 There's school for blind.

00:49:46.080 There are children who are autistic that are thriving.

00:49:48.120 There are children who have Down syndrome that are killing it.

00:49:51.620 Why are we telling people that they should die instead of live? 1.00

00:49:55.340 Canada is so quick, and I mean quick, to say to you, just die. 0.93

00:50:00.580 It is literally a treatment solution in Canada, whereas, like I said, the Netherlands, Belgium, it is a last resort.

00:50:05.760 You have to prove that you have tried everything.

00:50:08.440 But the other thing that we have to look at is if we are telling people to just quit, then what's the point of science?

00:50:14.940 What's the point of trying to further medical care and science?

00:50:18.420 Why should we be getting more care for cancers?

00:50:21.040 Why?

00:50:21.360 We're just going to mage you anyway.

00:50:23.660 Do you get my point?

00:50:24.440 What's the research?

00:50:25.160 Because we're going to tell you to quit.

00:50:26.200 So what's the point of putting in the research?

00:50:28.080 What's the point?

00:50:29.320 I don't understand.

00:50:30.520 How much of this is to do with ideology, Kelsey?

00:50:32.720 Oh, of course it's to do with ideology.

00:50:34.200 When you have individuals who hate their own lives, who are sick, overweight, and unhealthy with no children,

00:50:39.060 and they just are not happy with the world, and then you put them in places of power,

00:50:43.560 who educate other doctors on what they should be telling their somewhat healthy patients,

00:50:49.020 of course it's ideology.

00:50:50.540 Because these are the same people that say that if I call you the wrong pronoun with the new Bill 63,

00:50:54.940 I should be going to prison for life.

00:50:57.260 These are the same people that say that me sitting on this show right now,

00:51:00.900 and the things that I just said, are hate speech.

00:51:03.020 So we have to look at it from ideology, morality, from the financial burden on the system.

00:51:09.540 We have to look at the whole encompassing issue.

00:51:12.960 And what I can tell you is that having been dropped into this because Veterans Affairs started offering euthanasia

00:51:18.980 when people were asking for help, is that the system is broken to the point in which we have individuals

00:51:26.220 who are very unwell making the calls.

00:51:29.960 And when you put people in places of power who are uneducated, who are mentally unwell themselves,

00:51:36.220 who are unhappy with their own lives, you get, like we talked about this before,

00:51:40.080 you get the trickle-down effect.

00:51:41.820 This ideology of death over a life is something I refuse to accept.

00:51:47.040 Because my son will be 12 in a few years, and if he walks into a hospital in British Columbia

00:51:51.240 or anywhere else in Canada and says, I would like to die,

00:51:53.780 I will then have to spend my entire life savings, plus more, and fundraise to keep him out of the hands of people like Ellen Wiebe.

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00:53:26.880 You know, what we've been talking about is so awful.

00:53:33.300 But one of the things that makes me hopeful is that the more we talk about it, the more we can change it.

00:53:41.560 The more we can fight back.

00:53:42.740 So let's talk about hope now.

00:53:44.560 Please.

00:53:44.960 Look, what are the green shoots do you see?

00:53:50.600 And what are the things that people are doing to push back on this?

00:53:54.340 Yeah, we're pushing, man.

00:53:55.340 We're pushing really hard, really quietly, though, in a way that where it's making the actual difference.

00:53:59.740 Meaning, we come out and we talk about it on shows like this.

00:54:02.960 Like, I'll be honest with you.

00:54:04.780 You guys are the only ones that have been willing to have this conversation.

00:54:07.380 I told you this last year.

00:54:09.040 I said, this is so heavy and so dark.

00:54:12.820 And I understand the weight and the burden.

00:54:15.560 And that's why I intentionally didn't wear black today.

00:54:17.720 That's why I intentionally changed my nail color.

00:54:20.160 That's why I intentionally tried my best to be somewhat so that you can receive what I'm saying.

00:54:24.920 Because what I'm saying is, if it's not you yet, it will touch someone you know.

00:54:32.040 And when it does, you're going to call us and go, how do we fix it?

00:54:35.560 So there is hope.

00:54:37.200 There's so much hope.

00:54:38.880 If we look at where psychedelics are right now and the movements across the globe and the research we have behind healing the neuroplasticity in our brains and rewiring and firing our frontal lobes,

00:54:50.220 we can heal from things like depression.

00:54:52.160 We can heal from these issues.

00:54:53.780 We need to start looking at things like our community.

00:54:57.200 We need to start looking at things like people's lack of purpose in this world.

00:55:01.440 When you remove someone's lack of purpose, everything else falls to the wayside.

00:55:06.620 100%.

00:55:06.900 When you remove people's access to community and support and the family unit, which is a whole other thing being attacked right now, which is the family unit,

00:55:15.880 the darkness says you don't need family, you don't need kids, you don't need this, you don't need to own anything and you'll be happy.

00:55:21.900 We have to reinvest in our community and our neighbors and our loved ones and say, it's okay if you're having a hard time.

00:55:29.140 I've got you.

00:55:30.000 You don't need to choose death.

00:55:31.540 We are here to hold you and support you.

00:55:33.160 The same way a lot of indigenous communities look at plant medicine.

00:55:36.060 They don't take that person that's sick and go put them out somewhere else and say, too bad, deal with yourself.

00:55:41.600 That's what Western medicine does. 0.98

00:55:43.460 We need to go back to the way that we did it where we grab those people and we surround them and say, you smash off all the walls around us.

00:55:50.320 We've got you.

00:55:51.220 So there is hope.

00:55:52.880 You've got medicine that is changing and science is getting so, so invested in the idea of using old school plant modalities to bring into pharmaceutical, to give access to others.

00:56:06.080 So if people say, well, plant medicine is woo-woo, okay, cool, but MDMA, ketamine therapy, which I still don't love, but MDMA, ketamine, psilocybin, ayahuasca, 5-MeO, we have solutions on the table.

00:56:19.500 We're just now in the process of all the research with like Imperial School of London and Harvard and all these amazing places.

00:56:24.620 Then you have the nonprofits like Heroic Hearts Project and all of these other people who are saying, here's the science, here's the research.

00:56:31.940 They're lobbying in government like Psycan and Apex like I did this week.

00:56:35.780 And we're saying we have the research, guys.

00:56:38.020 There are ways to heal people.

00:56:39.780 Now, when you're talking about other things like dementia and Alzheimer's, we understand things like diet change early because it starts in your 30s and 40s.

00:56:47.140 It doesn't start later.

00:56:48.000 We're looking at your diet, looking at our food pyramid system and saying, these foods right here are the things that are causing long-term health.

00:56:56.060 So we have to look deeper to the root of the issue.

00:56:59.440 Like Good Energy was such a great book around this and it spurred such a change.

00:57:03.580 What we feed our children will radically affect the next 20 and 30 years of their lives.

00:57:09.000 And we have a real, real chance here to help heal the world.

00:57:12.140 If we start looking at movement as a priority in our school systems, we start looking at diet as a priority in our school systems, our community that we have around us, our purpose and what we need to drive individuals to and what we can fix if we just give them the tools to do so. 0.97

00:57:28.000 We need to stop telling children they're stupid because they can't sit still and medicating them. 0.67

00:57:31.500 And we need to start giving them time to run and to grow and putting them in programs where they can actually flourish and thrive where they deserve to be in the first place. 0.99

00:57:41.060 There is so much hope and I don't mean this to be like, but I'm an example of that.

00:57:48.820 I am the walking, talking, very much too much for you, I know, talking example of this.

00:57:55.000 You can heal from these things, but you have to be willing to try.

00:57:59.240 And furthermore, we have to be willing to give solutions that are not euthanasia and we can do so.

00:58:07.060 But when Veterans Affairs is targeting veterans and going after them in Canada, when we're telling the systems and telling the individuals within it that they should die instead of trying to live, this is where we're going to be until we wake everyone up and say that these pro-death organizations are not healthy, that they are corrupt.

00:58:23.700 And that they are going to come for your children, as aggressive as that sounds, but they are and it's provable.

00:58:29.480 And everything I've said here has a receipt attached to it, including the individuals I've spoken about, the organizations I've said, and the statistics as well.

00:58:37.660 None of this is out of pocket.

00:58:39.200 Everything is heavily researched.

00:58:40.380 And if you just take two and a half seconds and Google more than made deaths and you actually look province by province, country by country, you will see that we are headed for something very scary.

00:58:50.660 But we don't have to be.

00:58:52.220 That's the other thing. 0.93

00:58:53.380 We just have to wake the fuck up. 0.92

00:58:56.880 So when I mentioned right at the beginning that when I was on Question Time, this issue came up because there's a bill in the UK that's being discussed. 0.68

00:59:06.040 And we don't know the details of it yet.

00:59:07.980 But one of the things I brought up made, and I was like, from what I hear, it's not a good thing.

00:59:11.960 And way too many people are being euthanized, as you say, in this way.

00:59:18.060 And Fiona Bruce is actually a very good journalist.

00:59:20.800 She was like, yeah, but Constantine, I don't know if you know this, it's very, very popular in Canada.

00:59:24.840 It enjoys extremely wide support in the country.

00:59:28.640 Is that true?

00:59:29.100 Do you know why?

00:59:29.380 Do you know why that is?

00:59:30.120 Well, my hypothesis would be killing off people who cost loads of money and just cause problems is probably quite popular with the rest of the population because it's kind of a practical solution to a difficult problem.

00:59:41.760 But it's not necessarily the moral thing to do.

00:59:43.620 Well, it's because the polls, I made sure to look it up yesterday, but the polls that are being brought forward and saying Canadians are, you know, we're right for this, are actually heavily funded by the Dying With Dignity organization.

00:59:55.220 And by funded, I mean the individuals that are running the polls are actually the people that run that organization.

01:00:00.740 But do you think they misrepresent reality?

01:00:02.620 Oh my gosh, yes.

01:00:03.800 They are completely delusional.

01:00:06.100 Delusional.

01:00:06.720 Because I'm about to go on the street with Alicia Duncan, whose mother was killed with it, which, by the way, she was a psych nurse with no prior history of mental health, who got in a car accident, had a traumatic brain injury, and then tried to kill herself a couple months later.

01:00:18.840 Two days later, they mated her.

01:00:21.200 At the same hospital she used to run.

01:00:22.760 So, no, people are not for this.

01:00:26.700 People don't even know what's happening.

01:00:27.840 People are very, very unaware.

01:00:29.820 And I'll tell you why they're unaware.

01:00:30.800 It's because we keep using the word made.

01:00:33.240 Because the percentage of people who actually use made.

01:00:35.480 It's like BLM.

01:00:36.640 Yeah.

01:00:36.880 It's like exactly, when you're talking about it, that organization with Dying With Dignity, it's exactly like BLM.

01:00:42.020 Yeah.

01:00:42.620 It sounds great.

01:00:43.740 Who's against Black Lives Mattering or Dying With Dignity? 0.79

01:00:46.660 Who's against compassion and empathy, Constantine?

01:00:48.440 Who's against it?

01:00:49.240 Of course you wouldn't be against it.

01:00:50.600 But it is exactly what BLM is.

01:00:52.460 It's a smokescreen.

01:00:53.300 It's a fraud.

01:00:53.920 It's a group of individuals who literally spend, and this was what I said on one of my clips the other day, they spend every waking minute of their existence trying to kill as many people as possible.

01:01:03.940 They take their children on vacations based on money.

01:01:06.520 They write books, by the way, which is, this is insane.

01:01:08.940 They write books talking about every patient that they've killed, and then do interviews where they smile and laugh in Liz Carr's documentary saying it's the most beautiful work they've ever done in their life.

01:01:17.200 And that it is, it is, it is, it's soul releasing, and it's beautiful, it's happy, and it's, it's euphoric.

01:01:24.840 It's euphoric to kill someone?

01:01:27.240 I'm sorry, I've been on the other end of that.

01:01:29.800 It's not euphoric.

01:01:30.920 It's not to watch somebody's lights go out.

01:01:34.080 That's, that's horrific to say.

01:01:35.900 And furthermore, when comments come out of the top executioners in the country and say things like this, our biggest problem is not the system.

01:01:44.180 We know how to work it.

01:01:45.580 It's the families involved.

01:01:47.660 You mean the families that are trying to protect them from the darkness that is you?

01:01:54.220 That's not acceptable.

01:01:55.960 We have a ton of hope, but we have organizations like this that have $8 million.

01:02:01.020 They get over $500,000 from the liberal government every year.

01:02:03.740 They're a charitable status.

01:02:04.680 There's organizations like this all across the globe, and they all have charitable status, and they are twisting the message because they have the voice.

01:02:14.340 And the reason I took this up, because I have really no business doing this.

01:02:18.620 I don't.

01:02:19.960 You know what I, you guys know what I do for a living.

01:02:21.660 Like, do I feel like I need to be a talking head for this?

01:02:24.300 No, but I am because they started targeting my friends.

01:02:27.640 And if you're targeting veterans, we know what happens when you start targeting veterans.

01:02:30.620 Because then you go for the mentally ill, then the vulnerable population, then the kids, then the homeless, then the addicts, and it's a slippery slope.

01:02:36.640 And that is what's happening.

01:02:38.160 And that's why all of a sudden you're hearing it on every major podcast across the globe, even though it's comedians talking about it.

01:02:43.880 We're hearing it.

01:02:44.640 I don't care who talks about it.

01:02:46.260 Just keep talking.

01:02:47.860 Because I cannot be the only one in Canada screaming at the top of my lungs about this.

01:02:52.760 Because number one, people like you have to deal with me banging on your phone saying, please let me talk about this.

01:02:58.520 But also, if we keep allowing this to stay in the dark, that's where it grows.

01:03:05.760 We have to shine the light on these things so that we can remove this disgusting narrative that is just not factual.

01:03:14.460 It is very painful to die.

01:03:16.080 It is not peaceful.

01:03:17.140 It is horrific.

01:03:18.280 Your families can never fill the gap that you will leave.

01:03:21.980 They will forever be attached to the idea that they had to fight for you and they couldn't.

01:03:25.680 They will feel helpless.

01:03:26.680 They will feel hopeless.

01:03:27.560 And they will feel like they never did enough.

01:03:29.080 And they will have survivor's guilt the rest of their life.

01:03:31.360 You can heal from the things that they are killing people for.

01:03:35.560 I have done it.

01:03:36.300 I am a witness to it.

01:03:37.420 And I am an example of it.

01:03:39.320 Maid, euthanasia, whatever you want to call it.

01:03:41.900 I call it state-sponsored murder because that's what it is.

01:03:44.900 We have executioners, not doctors.

01:03:47.120 We are turning healthcare practitioners who went into the practice to help people.

01:03:50.920 We are turning them into everyday serial killers.

01:03:54.220 And there is a moral issue to that, that those doctors, those family members were not ready, not trained to handle at all.

01:04:01.360 We are turning our society into a group of killers.

01:04:05.020 And then we're wondering why people are struggling.

01:04:07.800 Maybe stop killing people.

01:04:09.840 Maybe give people better food.

01:04:11.680 Maybe give people a community.

01:04:13.380 Maybe give people a reason to live.

01:04:15.740 And then maybe they will actually stay with us.

01:04:19.940 Kelsey, it's been a wonderful interview.

01:04:23.700 It has.

01:04:24.680 It has.

01:04:25.440 Okay.

01:04:26.040 It has.

01:04:26.700 It's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's an important interview.

01:04:29.400 It's important that we talk about this and that we share and that we're honest about these problems.

01:04:35.160 Because otherwise, if you don't bring them to the light, they will continue to fester in the dark and they will get worse.

01:04:39.820 And more and more people will be affected by it.

01:04:41.940 So thank you for coming on the show.

01:04:43.420 The final question we always ask is, what's the one thing we're not talking about that we really should be?

01:04:48.200 The three new traitors that are in the Canadian government that we have uncovered that have been taking money from a foreign government to influence our elections came out this week.

01:04:59.500 So explain.

01:05:01.340 They can't.

01:05:03.760 They haven't given us enough information yet.

01:05:06.240 The Trudeau government.

01:05:06.700 By the time this comes out, we may know more.

01:05:09.300 And we will know more.

01:05:10.200 But right now there is three.

01:05:11.640 They're all directly tied to the CCP.

01:05:13.600 And it is not looking great.

01:05:16.620 There you go.

01:05:17.440 Head on over to Substack to hear Kelsey answer your questions. 1.00

01:05:22.360 Click the link in the description.

01:05:24.640 Head to our Substack to see this.

01:05:26.980 The UK is debating passing an assisted dying bill.

01:05:30.300 What should they learn from Canada?

01:05:32.160 What will Canada's relationship with the US be like?

01:05:35.360 If Trump wins and if Kamala wins, what will be the effect?

01:05:39.020 If there was a way to really keep a very much about track one, wouldn't that be reasonable?

TRIGGERnometry - January 15, 2025

MAID： Why the Government Wants You to Kill Yourself - Kelsi Sheren

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