TRIGGERnometry - Matt Walsh： What They Are Doing to Kids is Barbaric

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00:01:48.600 I did not realize how young the kids are

00:01:52.620 when they start them on the actual medical transition part of it.

00:01:56.680 How young are they, Matt?

00:01:58.540 Well, I mean, as young as 10, 11 years old,

00:02:02.300 when they start them on the hormones

00:02:03.860 and you get into puberty blockers,

00:02:05.940 the surgery especially.

00:02:08.280 A year and a half ago,

00:02:09.520 I didn't realize that they were actually,

00:02:12.600 that they really were mutilating kids.

00:02:14.400 I thought that, you know, this is something that starts at the age of 18.

00:02:18.000 But no, I mean, they chop the breasts off of 13, 14-year-old girls, 1.00

00:02:22.720 even younger sometimes.

00:02:33.580 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry on the Road from the USA.

00:02:38.600 And we're recording in the Daily Wire studios.

00:02:42.500 I'm Francis Foster.

00:02:43.520 I'm Constantine Kissin.

00:02:44.800 And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

00:02:50.300 Our brilliant and rather controversial guest today is the author of What is a Woman?

00:02:54.600 The brilliant documentary that you have heard about by now.

00:02:57.500 Matt Walsh, welcome to Trigonometry.

00:02:59.000 Thanks for having me.

00:02:59.800 It's a real pleasure. Thank you for making the time.

00:03:01.680 You're a very busy guy. We've got half an hour with you, so I'm not going to mess around.

00:03:04.820 We'll get straight into why did you decide to make the movie?

00:03:07.940 Well, because gender ideology, which is what the movie is really about, is, I think, a scourge on Western civilization. 1.00

00:03:15.760 It's plunging, you know, children, especially into lives of confusion and identity crisis and despair.

00:03:26.480 You know, I think everyone kind of notices this when you look around.

00:03:29.180 It seems like everyone's lost their minds.

00:03:30.980 and over the last like five or 10 years where questions that were once pretty simple to everybody

00:03:37.060 and it's so simple you didn't even think about them now are confusing and basic concepts about

00:03:43.440 you know life are now confusing to people and so the movie is sort of like what first of all why is

00:03:48.760 this happening how widespread is this problem actually and then once we've established that

00:03:55.680 to get into exposing you know where it comes from and everything else and when you say how

00:04:00.320 widespread it is, that's one of the interesting points that we are kind of exploring at the moment

00:04:03.580 is it seems quite often one side is focusing on the extremist on the other side and presenting

00:04:09.020 that as the entirety of the other side. So how widespread did you find that this issue was?

00:04:14.120 What percentage of the population think that you can just change your sex by cutting bits

00:04:19.580 off yourself or whatever it is? From what I found, it's very widespread. And that's something that I 0.80

00:04:24.500 was a little bit surprised by now i knew that this was a a a big problem which is why we made

00:04:30.640 the movie to begin with i knew it was pervasive but i thought you know even because we talked to

00:04:34.780 x so-called experts in the film we also did a lot of man on the street interviews um and many that

00:04:41.120 didn't make it into the films it's only an hour and a half and we talked to i don't know dozens

00:04:44.660 and dozens and dozens of people and what i found just going cities and towns across the country

00:04:49.440 and talking to average people walking down the street is that a lot of these sort of half-baked 1.00

00:04:54.760 notions that I hear from the gender studies professors and therapists are also coming out

00:05:00.500 of the mouths of just average people walking down the street in an even more half-baked way. Like

00:05:05.180 for them, it's even more sort of undercooked that they don't, like they've picked up these ideas,

00:05:09.220 they haven't really thought much about them, but they've picked them up is the point. And what I

00:05:13.640 also found is that the titular question of what is a woman was a stumper, not just to

00:05:19.320 the so-called experts, but also to most average people walking down the street.

00:05:24.700 How much of that do you think is fear-based? Because like you said, we all know the answer

00:05:29.240 to this question. Suddenly they get, you know, they're on camera. They've got a guy asking them

00:05:34.160 questions. I mean, if they answer the wrong way, this could get them fired, couldn't it?

00:05:38.980 Yeah, I think that's a big question too, is why, especially the average folks that seem to be

00:05:46.100 confused. Are they actually confused or are they just afraid to answer it? And I think it's a

00:05:49.920 mixture of the two. But I think it's a lot more fear-based. And I know that actually for a lot

00:05:54.400 of them because they told us that. There are many more who didn't appear in the film because they

00:05:59.060 didn't want to be on camera. And they said to us that, well, I can't talk about that. I'll lose my

00:06:03.380 job. I'll lose my friends. And they went through the whole list of consequences. And so I think

00:06:10.520 that there's this, that's the other thing people have picked up is that even if they haven't been

00:06:13.980 explicitly told. It's that if you talk about this, you better be very careful, because if you say the

00:06:18.860 wrong thing, you know, we're going to ruin your life. I remember in 2016, my cousin went to Sussex

00:06:23.980 University. I don't know if you've heard of it, but it's the wokest university in the UK, infamous. 1.00

00:06:29.600 And in a lecture in 2016, or rather a class, when he first got to the university, he was asked to

00:06:35.980 declare his pronouns. This was in 2016. Do you think it started around about that time, or did

00:06:42.580 it go back even further, do you think? Yeah, that's the thing. When you're tracing the origins

00:06:47.240 of this, you kind of decide how far back you want to go. I mean, you could go back centuries if you

00:06:51.000 want to. We talked to someone in the film named Carl Truman, who's a great author, wrote a book

00:06:56.000 called The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self, which I would really recommend everybody read.

00:07:00.700 Upcoming guest on our show. Great. And everyone should watch that show when he comes. And he's

00:07:05.700 a really interesting guy. And he talks about the same question of like, how did this happen? Why

00:07:11.000 is it that he especially frames it as the statement I'm a man trapped in a woman's body

00:07:16.680 that seems to mean something to modern people it wouldn't have meant anything to our grandparents

00:07:21.240 so how is it that this statement means something to us and he traces this back philosophically

00:07:26.080 hundreds of years right and so you could do that um you could kind of decide where you want to

00:07:31.420 start in the film we trace it back kind of to these landmark moments we trace it back to

00:07:36.800 Alfred Kinsey, John Money, mid-20th century,

00:07:41.520 the sexologists and psychotherapists.

00:07:44.220 And although they didn't invent all of the concepts,

00:07:46.800 they did come up with, I think,

00:07:50.280 what we know of today as gender ideology.

00:07:53.140 John Money in particular coined some of these phrases

00:07:55.200 like gender identity, he coined that phrase.

00:07:57.880 So you could kind of, you go back to there

00:08:01.000 and these ideas start getting into,

00:08:03.660 especially the institutions like academia

00:08:05.220 and they're kind of in these high-level places.

00:08:08.060 But then they filter down slowly at first, I think,

00:08:11.940 into the general population.

00:08:13.980 And seven or eight years ago,

00:08:15.900 I think that's when it sort of exploded onto the mainstream.

00:08:18.860 It didn't start there, but that's when the floodgates were open.

00:08:22.520 And you could go to Bruce Jenner coming out as Caitlyn Jenner,

00:08:27.200 winning woman of the year.

00:08:29.700 That, for a lot of people, was the first time

00:08:31.580 they were really confronted with,

00:08:33.000 they may have heard of transgenderism before that,

00:08:34.560 But that was the first time that it was really in their face.

00:08:37.720 And then from there, it was just kind of off to the races, I think.

00:08:40.980 And you mentioned people having their lives ruined.

00:08:43.260 I hope you don't mind me saying there's quite a lot of security around your building here.

00:08:48.060 Is that necessary?

00:08:49.180 Have you had to have that to be able to make a movie like that?

00:08:52.120 Yeah, I mean, sadly, it's necessary in general just because of what we all do here.

00:08:56.800 And so a lot of the security is not specifically for me.

00:08:59.760 It's just because this is the world we live in now.

00:09:02.600 But I could say for me in particular, when the movie came out, yeah, we got death threats, doxxed, all the rest of it, quite a lot of it, you know.

00:09:13.840 A lot of it that I haven't talked about in really specific terms, just even for security reasons.

00:09:17.540 I can't even say some of the things people have said to me.

00:09:20.040 And that was all, you know, that was all expected.

00:09:23.420 It shouldn't be expected.

00:09:24.520 But we know that, and I'm certainly not the first person to experience this, that trans activists are vicious on a level that other kinds of activists rarely reach. 0.95

00:09:38.600 Why do you think that is?

00:09:40.540 I think there are a lot of reasons for it.

00:09:44.300 Some of it goes in a deep psychological way.

00:09:47.840 I think trans activists can be even more vicious to women who stand up to them.

00:09:51.740 Agreed.

00:09:52.100 And I think part of the reason for that, if I'm just to, like, psychoanalyze them, is I think that there's some envy and jealousy, actually.

00:10:00.740 It's the male trans activists in particular who are the most vicious, in my experience. 1.00

00:10:04.800 And I think in the experience of women who stand up to them.

00:10:07.380 But then also, there's, like, this idea that if you disagree with them, that you are interfering with their self-perception.

00:10:19.880 and if you interfere with their self-perception it's like a form of murder they see because you

00:10:25.280 if you if you if you take away how they perceive themselves or if you interfere with that or

00:10:29.180 question it um then you're like destabilizing their perception of themselves do you think

00:10:34.740 they actually think this because i've always thought of it as a linguistic trick it's a way

00:10:38.080 of legitimizing violent behavior or threats of violence by claiming that you know you're raising

00:10:44.460 their existence when actually i think they realize they're still there right or do you think they

00:10:49.260 genuinely believe that by saying you can't change your biological sex you are erasing them i think

00:10:55.300 it's i think it's a mixture of both i think there's a lot of drama and pageantry that goes

00:10:58.500 into and anytime the outrage brigade gets into action there's always there's always a lot of

00:11:03.040 people that are pretending to feel things they don't really feel but but but for some of them

00:11:07.580 it's at some level they do actually think that the most important thing about them is how they

00:11:12.240 perceive themselves. And so, you know, if you're a man who identifies as a woman, then that's who

00:11:19.760 you are. But it's this very fragile thing. And if they hear anyone question it, then they just sort

00:11:27.540 of panic and lash out, sometimes violently, I think. Matt, how do we separate the people who

00:11:34.080 genuinely have gender dysphoria, which is a horrible mental illness, and they genuinely need 1.00

00:11:38.620 support and treatment for dealing with that illness and this ideology? How do we separate

00:11:44.460 that? Still having compassion for people with gender dysphoria, but also criticizing and 0.98

00:11:49.900 challenging the not-so elements of the ideology? Well, first of all, when you're dealing with the

00:11:56.420 concepts on a general scale, I don't think you have to separate it because what we're talking

00:12:00.580 about is just the truth. So if someone is saying something that isn't true,

00:12:04.500 our first goal should be to affirm and defend the truth so the reason why they're wrong about

00:12:12.640 what they're saying is almost immaterial in my mind um the first thing that matters the first

00:12:18.140 thing they have to establish is the truth men are men and women are women period so that's our first 0.73

00:12:21.780 thing and if we want to get into the specifics of like why are there so many people that are

00:12:27.040 confused about this in their own for themselves um yeah i think i think then especially if you're

00:12:32.560 dealing with someone on a personal level, like one-on-one, to understand where this is coming

00:12:37.140 from is important. But we also have to realize that gender dysphoria, people who are,

00:12:43.180 you know, for reasons that are almost unexplainable, really actually confused about this,

00:12:48.680 that's such a small minority, such a small sliver. And all you have to do is look back,

00:12:53.540 you know, 100 years ago, how many people were confused about their gender? Like how many men

00:13:01.380 were going around who really thought that they were women. I'm sure there were some, like very,

00:13:05.280 very small number. And they were mentally ill. It's a mental illness. And if we were still a 0.98

00:13:09.480 sane society, we would treat that with therapy, counseling. It's what you do for mentally ill 1.00

00:13:13.900 people. You treat their minds to the best of your ability. This astronomical rise, though,

00:13:21.460 in transgender identification, that's obviously not just mental illness. It's not something people 0.76

00:13:29.820 are born with. There's something happening in the culture, clearly. Because in the film,

00:13:37.340 like the first half an hour was really funny. I was sitting there with the lads and we were,

00:13:42.720 you know, we were laughing. We're going like, oh, this nutball saying these.

00:13:45.600 I wasn't laughing. I saw all the trouble coming.

00:13:47.780 Yeah, but I was laughing because I think you exposed these elements of it and it was comically

00:13:54.720 humorous but then what was terrifying is when we saw the medical professionals the doctors

00:14:01.220 affirming this did you expect that because I certainly didn't yeah I think well that's one

00:14:06.960 thing I was a little bit worried about actually with the film before it came out is that we knew

00:14:11.060 we're gonna have this tonal shift and I don't know is it too abrupt is it's kind of weird and

00:14:14.700 it is abrupt and weird but at the same time I think it's also necessary that like on the surface

00:14:19.160 level, this is absurd. And so we laugh at absurdity, which is an appropriate response.

00:14:26.000 But then you go a little bit under the surface, you see there's some really sinister stuff going

00:14:28.980 on. And that's when you get into the doctors who are encouraging, who are sort of spreading

00:14:38.900 this plague and doing it in a really intentional way. And doctors who I think certainly know

00:14:44.060 better. And, you know, we talked to one pediatrician in the film, Forcier, who prescribes these drugs,

00:14:51.640 chemical castration drugs to children. And what was so revolting about that, aside from just,

00:15:00.080 you know, the obvious, is that when I talked to her, she had no defense of the practice at all.

00:15:07.300 She was not able to even begin to defend this, and yet she's doing it. And so that makes you think,

00:15:12.800 well if she can't defend it then she must know that this is wrong that's just my

00:15:17.360 you know that that that's my interpretation is that a lot of these people know what they're

00:15:23.060 doing is wrong and yet they do it anyway why would they do it anyway well one big thing is money

00:15:28.360 there's all there's a huge financial incentive we get into that a little bit in the film but

00:15:31.520 you have to keep in mind there's billions of dollars not for one individual but like for

00:15:36.200 these industries there's billions of dollars at stake um and you think about you know you've got

00:15:41.620 a six-year-old kid who says that, you know, a six-year-old boy says he's confused about his

00:15:45.520 gender. And if you were to just say to the six-year-old boy, oh, no, you're a boy, and help

00:15:51.560 him to accept himself for who he is, then that's great. That's the right thing to do, but there's

00:15:55.820 no money in that, right? If, on the other hand, you encourage him to go delve even deeper into

00:16:02.660 that confusion, then that boy is worth thousands, if not millions of dollars to big pharma therapists,

00:16:10.320 doctors down the line so I think there's a real financial incentive and you know we've interviewed

00:16:16.440 a ton of people about this trans people who don't agree with some elements of this ideology

00:16:21.860 other people gender critical feminist etc and yet I was still shocked by the second half of the

00:16:29.900 movie were you shocked by what you found in particularly with doctors and professors I was

00:16:34.960 yeah that's the thing even when you encounter something that you already knew about intellectually

00:16:40.980 it's still shocking just to encounter it exactly to I knew that so-called sex change or what they

00:16:47.300 call gender affirmation surgeries now which is a euphemism if I ever heard one but I knew that 1.00

00:16:52.560 that was happening and yet to sit across from someone who does this and hear them explain it

00:16:57.300 it's still shocking just to encounter it and I was also shocked there were some things I learned

00:17:01.620 Before getting into the film, making the film, and researching it before we filmed it, I did not realize how young the kids are when they start them on the actual medical transition part of it.

00:17:16.380 How young are they, Matt?

00:17:18.260 Well, I mean, as young as 10, 11 years old, when they start them on the hormones and you get into puberty blockers, the surgery especially.

00:17:26.620 I, a year and a half ago, I didn't realize that they were actually, that they really were mutilating kids.

00:17:34.120 I thought that, you know, this is something that starts at the age of 18.

00:17:37.700 But no, I mean, they chopped the breasts off of 13, 14-year-old girls, even younger sometimes. 0.97

00:17:43.840 I didn't realize that.

00:17:45.520 And it's, I think a lot of people don't realize that that's happening.

00:17:49.960 And hopefully now they do.

00:17:52.720 Well, one thing I wanted to ask you about is,

00:17:56.160 I think you made a movie that whatever people think about you

00:17:59.180 or where you're coming at it from is valuable.

00:18:01.760 That's what I believe, genuinely.

00:18:04.640 However, the temporary alliance between gender-critical feminists

00:18:09.020 and right-wing conservatives like you was always going to be temporary,

00:18:13.300 and it now seems to be falling apart.

00:18:15.820 You know, you had a spat on Twitter with J.K. Rowling and others.

00:18:21.480 What do you make of the backlash against the movie

00:18:25.080 and against you from that side of the debate?

00:18:28.680 Yeah, I think it's so it was an alliance

00:18:30.300 that lasted about 45 seconds, it would seem,

00:18:33.220 which I guess was predictable.

00:18:35.280 You know, I find it unfortunate.

00:18:38.120 It's not what I wanted.

00:18:40.100 I mean, I've said from the very beginning,

00:18:42.640 even before the movie came out,

00:18:44.020 which is one of the reasons why I've very vocally

00:18:47.400 been supportive of J.K. Rowling

00:18:49.120 and said many times that I really respect the way that she stood up against the mob at great

00:18:54.360 personal cost. And she stands to gain nothing personally from it. And yet she has. I respected

00:19:00.060 that. I still do. And even if you have a billion dollars in the bank, it still takes guts to do it.

00:19:05.020 And so she does it. So that's my view. I have a lot of respect for anyone who stands up against

00:19:09.400 these people and stands for truth. And if you're willing to do that on this subject, which is so

00:19:13.540 important, and I think in so many ways, like this is a civilizational crisis we're dealing with,

00:19:19.120 And so if you're on the right side of this, then I can join forces with you for this fight.

00:19:26.500 And then we can get back to, you know, tearing each other apart after we're done with this.

00:19:30.940 That's how I look at it.

00:19:33.400 And I think when the movie first came out, there was, it seemed to me anyway, among some of these gender critical feminists, there was like this internal fight among them about, well, what do we do? 0.91

00:19:44.180 Do we link arms with this guy or what?

00:19:46.500 And maybe for a brief moment in time, it seemed like maybe they would.

00:19:50.500 But then ultimately, I think they just decided that they can't do it.

00:19:53.900 I think that...

00:19:55.120 Well, one of the criticisms they made, Matt,

00:19:57.380 was that you didn't include any of them in the movie.

00:19:59.800 Well, yeah.

00:20:00.160 And that's, honestly, it's just not, it's nonsense.

00:20:03.160 First of all...

00:20:03.500 They aren't in the movie, right?

00:20:04.580 Right.

00:20:05.360 A couple of things.

00:20:06.700 Even if it was true that I just decided I'm going to exclude them.

00:20:09.860 Well, who cares?

00:20:10.660 Is this about you?

00:20:11.580 I mean, is this about...

00:20:12.380 What do you care about here?

00:20:13.140 Do you care about the issue or do you care about yourselves?

00:20:14.860 like it would never if if if a feminist if jk rowling did this documentary it wouldn't even 1.00

00:20:21.220 occur to me to say well why wasn't i in it it just seems like such a petty arrogant complaint who

00:20:27.760 cares so who said i should be in it you made the film you made it the way you wanted to make it

00:20:32.120 it's important you did it well and that's what matters so i would champion the film for that

00:20:36.300 reason so i find the complaint to begin with ridiculous it's also just not true we actually

00:20:40.600 did reach out to um a number of the so-called gender critical feminists maybe not as many as 1.00

00:20:46.680 they wish we had i also i'm not i don't live in the uk i'm not plugged in with feminist circles so

00:20:51.600 there are there are some of these women that reached out to me since the movie came out and

00:20:54.580 said why didn't you contact me i didn't know you existed before you just reached out to me i'm

00:20:58.800 sorry but uh we did reach out to a number of do you mind if i could just i i've decided not to

00:21:06.020 for their own sake I'm not I don't want to I don't want to throw anybody under the bus

00:21:10.920 because I don't the truth is for some of these names and there are some big names okay

00:21:15.080 um I don't really know why they turned us down so I think if I name them and then oh so they

00:21:19.800 turned you down yeah it just didn't work out and so but but if I name them and it sounds like I'm

00:21:25.320 claiming that they refused to because they don't want to work with me or they were scared I don't

00:21:28.680 know if that's true maybe it just was a scheduling problem all I can say is that for a fact we did

00:21:33.540 reach out and the women that we reached out to know who they are. Okay. And the other criticism

00:21:37.820 that was made, uh, was that you, you don't act, I mean, I've heard some people say this,

00:21:43.900 it's not my opinion, but it's an opinion that some feminists hold that actually you don't care 1.00

00:21:48.960 particularly about women's rights. This isn't where you're coming at it from. You are just

00:21:53.180 someone who's using this issue to advance your evil conservative agenda. Uh, what do you make

00:21:58.060 of that? I guess that's true. If my evil conservative agenda is just to preserve truth

00:22:03.740 and reality, like that's, that's what I care about. Uh, I make no bones about the fact that

00:22:08.800 I see some of these issues as I care about some of these issues because they're a battleground

00:22:13.660 for the overall war for truth. So, um, women's sports, for example, do I care deeply about women's 0.94

00:22:21.120 sports itself? Do I wake up every day saying I I'm really concerned about women's sports? No,

00:22:26.080 I don't watch women's sports. I don't care about it, you know, in general. But it has become a 1.00

00:22:34.440 battleground for the war for truth. So when I'm being told that a man should be able to compete

00:22:40.000 against women and be accepted as a woman, I'm saying, no, I don't accept that. That's insane. 1.00

00:22:46.400 But what motivates me is not my unabiding love for women's sports in particular. It's just my,

00:22:51.160 it's my love for truth and justice and fairness. It's also not fair. Even if I don't watch women 1.00

00:22:56.540 swimming, it's really not fair to these women who are having their opportunities stolen from them. 1.00

00:23:01.260 You've used the word civilizational crisis to describe what we're talking about. Now,

00:23:05.700 there'll be people watching it going, come on, this is still a relatively minor thing.

00:23:09.500 It's not affecting a huge swathe of the population. What does it matter if you put

00:23:13.340 your pronouns in your email, et cetera? Why is it a civilizational crisis, Matt?

00:23:18.940 Well, I think there are a few reasons.

00:23:20.600 And the first, I go back to the issue of truth.

00:23:23.220 Like, truth matters for its own sake.

00:23:26.340 And a civilization that fundamentally denies the most basic truth,

00:23:35.980 the most basic realities of human existence, cannot survive.

00:23:39.960 And I say that because it's never happened before.

00:23:42.140 I mean, I can't think of a civilization that's been able to pull that off.

00:23:45.260 It just said, we're going to swear off.

00:23:47.300 We're going to pretend we live in a different universe and continue on.

00:23:49.680 You can't thrive as a civilization that way.

00:23:52.900 So that's the ground level issue.

00:23:56.520 But then also, I mean, you look at what we're doing to children.

00:24:00.860 Children are being mutilated and sterilized on a mass scale.

00:24:06.560 We talked before about the way that the transgender identification has risen in recent years.

00:24:11.060 And to just say that it's risen, I think, understates the case.

00:24:13.800 We're talking about exponential.

00:24:14.920 I mean, we're talking about for the youngest generation, the transgender identification of the youngest generation is like 20 times what it was for my parents.

00:24:25.740 That's another reason why it's a civilizational crisis.

00:24:27.960 This exponential growth of this identity crisis, this confusion, and there's no sign that it's going to stop.

00:24:34.480 I mean, you don't have 20 times growth like that, and then in the next generation, it just goes away.

00:24:40.580 um in fact we see it's like it's there's this for lgbt identification in general there's been a

00:24:48.680 doubling of lgbt identification generation over generation doubling dating back to like my

00:24:55.200 grandparents generation and then trans in particular's astronomical rise there um so i 0.95

00:25:03.360 think that what we're seeing is that entire generations of kids being lost to this confusion,

00:25:11.960 which leads ultimately to despair. What they tell us about the trans suicide rate is true, that, 1.00

00:25:17.820 you know, the suicide rate is so much higher for people who identify as trans than it is for anyone

00:25:23.500 else. But they're lying when they say that the way to solve the suicide rate is to affirm the

00:25:28.700 trans identification. That's not what the data tells us. The data tells us that no matter how 1.00

00:25:32.960 firm they are, get the surgeries, get all that, suicide rate is still high. In fact, they're more

00:25:39.620 suicidal after surgery than before. So what that tells us is that this leads to despair ultimately.

00:25:46.360 Matt, do you think that this is a symptom of something that is deeply wrong within Western

00:25:50.220 society and Western culture? That it's merely a symptom? There's something actually far deeper

00:25:54.920 and far darker going on there? I think absolutely. And that's one thing. Carl Truman will tell you a

00:25:59.900 lot more about that. I'll speak more eloquently about it than I will. But that's one thing that

00:26:04.240 I noticed in these interviews, is that so many of the interviews devolved pretty quickly into,

00:26:13.860 well, what is truth? A college professor is a famous, infamous example now that I talked to

00:26:18.400 a college professor, turned into this. But really, every single interview I had, especially even with

00:26:22.380 people on the street, eventually turned into this like punches pilot. What is truth? Is there a

00:26:27.160 truth? Whose truth are we talking about? And what that tells me is that the deeper thing going on

00:26:32.220 is relativism. People are raised in our society to believe that we all have our own truth.

00:26:42.300 Truth is whatever you say it is. Whatever you feel is true. And I can remember being raised,

00:26:51.160 even when I was a kid, hearing this kind of thing all the time. And so I think that's what's

00:26:56.500 happening underneath all this. Really, it is a war against truth, and what lies underneath all

00:27:01.720 of it is just relativism. It's the rejection of objective truth entirely. And how much do you

00:27:08.660 think of this as caused by technology? One of the things that I often think about is we now have the

00:27:13.980 technology to do some of these surgeries in a way that we didn't have before, and obviously we now

00:27:18.400 have technology to propagate the ideology in a way that we didn't have before, and those things

00:27:23.520 coming together seems to me like two very powerful things that from my perspective offer perhaps an

00:27:28.560 even better explanatory option than you know ideologues driving it like the ideology was

00:27:35.220 there and then the technology came along to fuel it or is it more maliciously intended you know

00:27:41.140 making money off it or whatever what's your take uh i think i think it's all of the above but um

00:27:47.500 you can it's impossible to overstate the effects of technology now you're right that the technology

00:27:52.900 for the actual surgeries has advanced quite a bit,

00:27:56.000 but it's still a barbaric Frankenstein stuff they're doing.

00:27:59.620 And it always will be. 0.65

00:28:00.960 I mean, when you're trying to construct false genitalia,

00:28:06.040 it doesn't matter how advanced the medicine is.

00:28:08.660 It's always what you're doing. 0.95

00:28:11.000 You're constructing false genitalia, 0.98

00:28:12.340 which is always going to be barbaric. 0.90

00:28:15.140 But the propagation, I think, is the big thing.

00:28:17.600 And here's what happens.

00:28:19.580 I think kids, they go to school, most kids do, like public schools, and they spend five

00:28:28.620 days a week, six, seven hours a day, nine months a year for 12 or 13 years, and they're

00:28:34.780 marinating in this peer culture where gender ideology now is just totally taken over.

00:28:41.560 And then that's bad enough, but then they leave school, but they don't leave the peer

00:28:47.400 culture behind because they carry it around with them.

00:28:49.380 they have it in their pocket, they have it on their phone. So it just becomes this kind of like

00:28:52.060 fog that they never escape, this choking fog they can never get away from. And the drive and

00:29:02.360 compulsion when you're a kid to try to fit in is overwhelming. And we all remember it as kids.

00:29:09.260 For a lot of adults, it's still overwhelming, but especially when you're a kid. And that's even more

00:29:14.700 the case when they are when they can never escape their peers and so like you know they're already

00:29:21.080 driven to be to be accepted by their peers but when you're around your peers all the time even

00:29:25.440 at home you're still with them then if you're not accepted by them then it becomes a real crisis

00:29:31.420 that's one of the reasons why the suicide rate among kids tragically is so much higher than it

00:29:36.020 ever was um and so i think that's what what drives a lot of these ideas it just catches on it's like

00:29:42.560 the cool popular thing now to be not necessarily to be you know to be trans is cool and popular but

00:29:47.240 the main thing for kids is to you don't be cis right to be anything pick something else

00:29:52.040 gender non-conforming non-binary zeezers m pronouns whatever it is uh furry like just

00:29:58.540 pick something that isn't plain old ordinary regular you know um and now that that's caught

00:30:05.580 on there's just no no stopping it which is why like you know if you have to send your kid to

00:30:12.200 public school I'd recommend don't do it but if you have to you have to but there's no excuse I

00:30:18.480 think to give an adolescent kid a phone with full internet access that they can just use all day up

00:30:24.900 in their room who knows what they're looking at it's just it's crazy I think yeah it is a recipe

00:30:29.740 for disaster Matt we've seen you know a huge amount of growth with young girls and pubescent

00:30:36.260 girls wanting to transition now there's been a lot of theories but being put about a lot of people

00:30:41.440 They're saying, you know, they're autistic girls who may feel that way or they're girls who, for whatever reason, feel desperately uncomfortable in their bodies.

00:30:49.000 What do you think the reason is behind this?

00:30:51.620 Well, I think, first of all, the drive to be girls in general, more relational.

00:31:00.000 You know, they have more friends.

00:31:01.580 They care more about, you know, what people, what their friends think, which often could be a very good thing about, you know, kind of that feminine tendency. 1.00

00:31:14.140 But at the same time, it can also lead to, you know, wanting even more to be accepted by their peers.

00:31:20.440 But I think even deeper than that, a lot of this stuff kicks in around puberty, right?

00:31:25.860 And when you're going through puberty, whether you're a boy or a girl,

00:31:28.140 your body is changing in ways that are confusing.

00:31:33.060 And I think that's especially the case for girls. 0.87

00:31:35.820 And the changes that girls go through during puberty are even more drastic 0.99

00:31:40.500 and can be more sort of unsettling for the girl.

00:31:43.820 And so I think, especially at puberty, feeling sort of not at home in your own body,

00:31:50.040 feeling like your body is revolting against you and doing things that you don't want,

00:31:55.000 It's normal to feel that way, even more normal for girls, given what they experience.

00:32:00.160 The difference is that when we were all kids, you went through puberty and you had that kind

00:32:04.020 of awkward phase and it was a phase. And all the adults in your life said, oh, it's just a phase.

00:32:08.100 You'll get over it. You'll be fine. This is, you know, all these changes are good and you'll grow

00:32:11.720 into yourself and grow into your body and all that kind of stuff. But now the adults are going

00:32:18.740 around to the kids and telling them, oh, well, if you feel like you're not at home in your body,

00:32:23.940 then that's because you're not.

00:32:25.880 It's because you actually should have a different body.

00:32:27.720 And here's the other great thing they say,

00:32:29.400 to the girls especially,

00:32:30.560 you can just take a pill

00:32:31.480 and all these changes you don't want.

00:32:33.180 You don't have to go through it.

00:32:35.180 Puberty is actually something that you have to consent to.

00:32:38.320 Like, biology and your body

00:32:41.280 doesn't have a right to do this on its own.

00:32:42.760 You have to consent to it.

00:32:44.400 And you could just,

00:32:44.920 here's a little magical button you can press

00:32:46.540 and stop all this.

00:32:47.640 And by the way,

00:32:48.200 here's some testosterone you can take 0.57

00:32:49.720 that reduces your anxiety,

00:32:51.000 which is very natural in that period.

00:32:52.980 Matt, we could talk to you for a lot longer,

00:32:54.460 but you're a busy guy.

00:32:55.220 We promise to let you go after half an hour.

00:32:56.980 So wrapping up, I'll ask you the question

00:32:58.980 that we always ask all of our guests

00:33:00.340 and it doesn't have to be related to the movie

00:33:01.960 or anything we've talked about today,

00:33:03.320 which is what do you think is the one thing

00:33:04.840 we're not talking about as a society

00:33:06.440 that we really should be?

00:33:09.120 I mean, there's so many things on this particular topic,

00:33:13.440 but I'll say one that's related to it

00:33:18.020 that's just on my mind

00:33:18.920 because of something that happened last week

00:33:20.120 and it's just an issue that's always been important to me,

00:33:21.580 uh we you know i think we need to talk about um the pharmaceutical industry in general and and

00:33:31.820 as it relates to mental health there was this this study that was that just came out last week

00:33:36.660 about antidepressants um revealing that you know these antidepressants have been prescribed

00:33:46.800 on a theory of depression that was just a myth. And the pharmaceutical industry

00:33:56.600 has profited billions of dollars giving people these drugs that it would seem aren't doing

00:34:01.820 anything for them, really. And that's a whole topic there. When we talk about depression,

00:34:09.460 mental illness, the way that we treat it, the way that we think about it, I think we need to

00:34:14.340 to go back and reanalyze a lot of that

00:34:15.800 on a real kind of fundamental level.

00:34:18.280 Matt, it has been an absolute pleasure.

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00:34:23.960 Well, you can go to whatiswoman.com

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TRIGGERnometry - August 15, 2022

Matt Walsh： What They Are Doing to Kids is Barbaric

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