TRIGGERnometry - Meeting Joe Rogan, Bill Burr, Sam Harris, Matt Walsh + more!

00:00:00.000 I told you I had this out-of-body experience last night.

00:00:03.220 I was looking at some of the videos that we've got on the channel,

00:00:06.660 which is these vlogs,

00:00:08.120 and I was not associating with myself in that moment.

00:00:11.840 I was just looking at it through the eyes of, like, a neutral person.

00:00:14.640 Yeah.

00:00:15.060 And I saw a guy who was in America

00:00:18.160 interviewing Sam Harris, Bill Burr, he's doing Joe Rogan,

00:00:22.660 and he was only, like, ten minutes later that I realized that guy was me.

00:00:27.220 Yeah. 0.99

00:00:27.480 And I was like, fuck, that's incredible. 0.99

00:00:32.260 Yeah. 0.99

00:00:42.420 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry Destroys America. 0.99

00:00:47.240 I'm Francis Foster.

00:00:48.500 I'm Constantine Kissin.

00:00:49.640 And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

00:00:54.740 We don't have either of those for you today because today it's just us reviewing the trip.

00:01:00.220 We've just finished Francis.

00:01:02.020 Bilbo walked out of the door behind you two hours ago.

00:01:06.140 And he says we're best friends.

00:01:08.480 So.

00:01:09.760 Did he say that just I wasn't there for that part?

00:01:13.000 No.

00:01:13.520 Well, no, he didn't.

00:01:14.340 But I know he meant it.

00:01:15.820 I know he meant it.

00:01:16.920 I know he meant it.

00:01:17.680 But no, it was an incredible interview.

00:01:20.240 Well, the interview itself was incredible.

00:01:21.760 But I want to talk about the whole trip.

00:01:23.680 OK.

00:01:24.120 Because working our way back, today it was Bill Burr,

00:01:28.820 yesterday it was Adam Carolla and Sam Harris.

00:01:31.300 Before that, we were in Nashville where we interviewed Matt Walsh.

00:01:34.820 Colin Wright as well.

00:01:35.440 Colin Wright as well.

00:01:36.620 Before that, we were in Austin, Texas where, I mean, we went on Joe Rogan's show.

00:01:41.200 Which was increíble.

00:01:43.080 Increíble.

00:01:44.040 We were very diplomatic, I felt.

00:01:47.020 Yeah, we were.

00:01:47.720 I mean, I was.

00:01:48.740 So was I.

00:01:50.580 What do you mean, so were you?

00:01:51.660 I was diplomatic. 1.00

00:01:52.440 Joe literally just said most British comedians suck 0.99

00:01:55.340 and you guffawed and then said, yeah, I agree with you, 0.99

00:01:59.520 knowing we're about to go to Edinburgh

00:02:01.020 where we're going to be surrounded by the very people

00:02:04.020 who all got triggered by that comment.

00:02:05.940 And they're all blaming me.

00:02:08.340 Yeah, but we've blamed your people since time immemorial, mate.

00:02:12.660 Yeah, I know blaming the Jews is the customary way of doing it. 1.00

00:02:15.700 I just didn't expect it coming from you, mate.

00:02:17.860 But it just works.

00:02:18.280 Just because you look Jewish as well.

00:02:19.800 Yeah, no, it works so beautifully.

00:02:21.360 Do you know what I mean?

00:02:22.060 your people have been excelling at that for generations who am i to stop this wonderful

00:02:26.960 tradition unbelievable anyway so big joey we we went on joe's show uh that was absolutely

00:02:35.480 mind-blowing and the one thing i take away most of all from this trip actually is

00:02:39.820 i learned this from our experience on being on joe's show and i said it to him and it because

00:02:45.720 it was true afterwards like i always thought of going in and spending four hours or however long

00:02:51.420 it would be with joe as an opportunity i did not realize how much fun it would be yeah it was

00:02:57.940 incredible fun it was but and by the end of it what was insane for me is like here we are and i

00:03:03.100 and i was just in this mode that you and i would be if we're sitting in a restaurant or at the

00:03:07.040 studio or whatever um where it's like we talk about sport and boxing and we're just shooting

00:03:12.260 the shit about the ufc and i was like oh yeah i've got this point to send and then i and then 0.88

00:03:16.260 And I was like, wait, wait, wait. 0.99

00:03:17.420 This is the guy that's interviewed like every UFC champion ever

00:03:20.720 and actually knows what he's talking about.

00:03:23.220 Yeah.

00:03:24.420 You know what's very interesting as well is

00:03:26.640 how much of a difference did that blunt make

00:03:31.220 to the entire interview and to the entire experience?

00:03:33.760 It changed the interview.

00:03:35.020 It changed the direction.

00:03:35.960 And it was perfectly timed.

00:03:37.240 Yeah, it was.

00:03:37.940 It was because, you know, for two hours,

00:03:40.060 we were talking about culture war.

00:03:41.880 We were talking about very serious issues like the grooming gang.

00:03:45.360 Yeah.

00:03:46.260 And we were talking about political correctness, free speech.

00:03:49.820 And then we did a good, solid chunk of that, classic trig.

00:03:53.140 Yeah.

00:03:53.980 Then the old Bifters came out and we went. 1.00

00:03:57.460 In a different direction.

00:03:59.020 But we've never talked about like spirituality on the show in that way.

00:04:04.140 I tell you what, you talked about it when we did the podcast with Bridget Phetasy, 0.96

00:04:10.980 how for you there was a moment where it was, oh shit, this is Joe Rogan. 0.97

00:04:14.120 Yeah. 0.99

00:04:14.400 Like when he walked in.

00:04:15.180 I didn't feel that

00:04:16.540 but what I did feel is

00:04:17.640 the moment he asked me

00:04:19.020 about whether Putin

00:04:19.760 is going to use a nuke

00:04:20.760 and I was already stoned

00:04:22.940 I was like

00:04:24.280 I better wake up

00:04:25.920 like I better pay attention here

00:04:27.500 because

00:04:27.720 I mean 1.00

00:04:28.660 didn't fuck about you 1.00

00:04:30.100 did he? 1.00

00:04:30.520 Just soften you up

00:04:31.360 give you blood 0.52

00:04:31.840 and then just bam

00:04:32.640 and just in

00:04:33.760 because he wanted the real one

00:04:35.060 he wanted the truth from you

00:04:37.080 but no

00:04:37.900 it was an incredible experience

00:04:39.780 and then

00:04:40.640 the next day

00:04:41.700 see the thing is

00:04:42.940 with doing Rogan

00:04:43.680 is

00:04:44.020 it's a journey

00:04:44.960 and it sounds really wanky, but it kind of is

00:04:47.140 because you've been preparing for it for so long

00:04:49.600 and even when you're not preparing for it,

00:04:53.280 you're still kind of on that path anyway

00:04:55.500 because you've got to start your thing,

00:04:56.940 you've got to do it, you've got to practice,

00:04:58.680 you've got to become really good at it.

00:05:00.800 You then do the podcast

00:05:02.700 and then you leave the room

00:05:05.980 and then the next day you just prepare for the fallout.

00:05:09.580 And I think probably all his guests get that to a certain degree.

00:05:13.040 Everybody goes through that. 0.99

00:05:14.400 Not all his guests come on there and shit on their former industry 0.98

00:05:17.480 for an hour straight, mate. 0.99

00:05:19.400 Only me and you have that level of troll.

00:05:22.380 Yeah, exactly.

00:05:23.680 Exactly.

00:05:24.680 But what a magical experience it was.

00:05:27.280 Yeah, man.

00:05:27.880 What a guy.

00:05:29.040 What a guy.

00:05:30.200 And then, do you remember when we went to the comedy night afterwards?

00:05:32.940 Yeah, that was incredible.

00:05:34.040 That was completely mind-blowing because he was just so uncensored.

00:05:37.840 Yeah.

00:05:38.340 I haven't seen anything like that in my life.

00:05:40.600 No.

00:05:41.200 It was brilliant.

00:05:42.460 And not a lot, but some of the jokes were too fine for me.

00:05:45.180 But I was like, at least someone's able to make them.

00:05:48.080 Yeah, exactly.

00:05:49.200 Just because I don't personally like them

00:05:50.580 doesn't mean I want people not to be able to make them.

00:05:52.660 Yeah.

00:05:53.860 And in the UK, that would literally never happen.

00:05:56.600 And then you wrote a tweet about that,

00:05:57.940 and then that went really well.

00:05:58.740 That went down really well, man.

00:06:01.180 Yeah.

00:06:02.060 So what an experience.

00:06:04.340 But Joe is such a legitimate dude.

00:06:06.820 Like, one thing that he did is he helped us

00:06:09.800 with a lot of the other things that we were doing.

00:06:11.760 And I don't want to talk about it publicly, but he's a legitimate guy.

00:06:16.180 And I know this from other people.

00:06:17.880 Again, I can't say how, but he's someone who really likes helping other people.

00:06:23.540 He wants to help you be better.

00:06:25.240 This is what we talked about on the show.

00:06:28.280 I think we forget how different the British comedy scene and culture is in this respect.

00:06:36.600 Yeah, exactly.

00:06:37.320 Like everyone is pulling everyone down.

00:06:39.520 No one wants anyone to do well.

00:06:41.100 and here is just the opposite.

00:06:43.280 And it's also partially,

00:06:44.500 and I know you're going to say

00:06:45.400 I've got a chip on my shoulder,

00:06:46.580 it's partially a class thing. 0.99

00:06:47.760 Oh, for fuck's sake. 0.99

00:06:48.800 It's true. 0.99

00:06:49.560 Oh, no, I grew up without money, man.

00:06:52.440 You know, people don't want you

00:06:53.980 to get to that next level.

00:06:56.100 They just don't want it.

00:06:57.560 Well, because you've got the wrong accent. 0.76

00:06:59.800 Exactly where you are, yes.

00:07:03.080 See, this is the thing with you, mate.

00:07:04.820 You want to ram your class 0.99

00:07:06.520 in every fucking orifice of every conversation. 1.00

00:07:09.140 Yes, I do. 0.99

00:07:10.080 What is that?

00:07:11.100 because I genuinely think it's not something that we don't go anywhere near as much to addressing

00:07:19.440 it as we should we just don't I think it's true you know and oh this is what I love about America

00:07:25.680 our society and I love Britain I've been having people saying again I do love it it's my home

00:07:31.140 but everything is stratified everybody knows their strata where they are etc you come to America

00:07:38.600 It's like somebody just got the cards and thrown them up in the air.

00:07:41.420 I know what you mean, but so much of that is just in your head, man.

00:07:45.580 It is.

00:07:47.100 Look where you're sitting.

00:07:49.460 In America.

00:07:53.980 Yeah.

00:07:54.960 You've made it.

00:07:55.980 Yeah.

00:07:58.080 But we did it on our own.

00:08:01.000 Yeah.

00:08:01.240 We didn't go through the traditional...

00:08:02.520 Yeah, but no one's holding us down.

00:08:04.180 Yeah.

00:08:04.480 No one's got, oh, France's got a weird accent.

00:08:06.440 No.

00:08:06.600 Except me.

00:08:07.300 Yeah, that is true.

00:08:09.000 Get them out of here.

00:08:09.880 Yeah, but at the BBC.

00:08:11.600 Yeah.

00:08:12.620 Well, you're not nonce enough at the BBC.

00:08:14.280 Yeah, that is true.

00:08:15.440 That is true.

00:08:16.220 You're not that interested in kids.

00:08:17.800 Exactly.

00:08:18.380 And I was proven innocent of all charges.

00:08:20.080 So tick, tick.

00:08:21.380 Exactly.

00:08:22.560 But that has been the wonderful thing about America,

00:08:25.800 the thing that I have loved.

00:08:27.580 There's an energy here.

00:08:28.920 There's a positivity.

00:08:30.180 Yeah.

00:08:30.860 When you come here, you can feel yourself tap into it.

00:08:33.120 Yeah, and no one's looking at you going,

00:08:34.860 where is this person coming from in society yeah people just they they you know they want to do

00:08:40.740 well and they want other people to do well now look in every country there's going to be good 0.87

00:08:44.600 people and bad people and stupid people and clever people and all sorts of it uh and i know that in 0.96

00:08:50.260 so in the u.s there is a lot of sort of like bitching and fighting against you know among 1.00

00:08:54.680 comedians of different scenes etc but it does feel like a completely different experience and

00:09:00.340 one of the things for us is we've really expanded our friendship circle while we've been here like

00:09:04.840 most of the people we've met you know we haven't even talked about the time we spent in virginia

00:09:09.880 before austin where we stayed with seb gorker who's a big fan of the show and a friend of ours

00:09:15.420 and it took us to shoot some guns shoot some guns experience some freedom all this stuff was like

00:09:21.220 enough logs that our supporters see and and that's another thing that's been incredible like i i told

00:09:26.520 you i had this out of body experience last night now admittedly we had had a bit more of the weed

00:09:35.360 yeah but the reason i bring it up is like i was looking at my phone and checking our stats which

00:09:43.180 i don't usually do you know we don't look at that really ever no we don't definitely don't look at

00:09:48.940 every night no or every morning yeah we definitely don't do that but i was looking at our stats and

00:09:55.180 i was looking at uh some of the videos that we've got on the channel which is these vlogs

00:09:59.640 and i and i was not associating with myself in that moment i was just looking at it through the

00:10:05.000 eyes of like a neutral person yeah and i saw a guy who is in america yeah interviewing sam harris

00:10:12.140 bill burr is doing joe rogan and he was only like 10 minutes later that i realized that guy was me

00:10:19.180 yeah and we're like traveling around documenting the trip checking interesting things out making

00:10:25.900 friends and i was like fuck that's incredible yeah yeah the fact that we are able to do this 0.89

00:10:35.240 the fact that we've got so many people who are watching us listening to us willinging us on 0.97

00:10:41.800 giving us money joining locals doing all of these different things even or even just listening or

00:10:48.220 watching it's still amazing that people are willing to give their time to listen to two 0.99

00:10:54.080 idiot comedians that to me blows me or and i guess it blows me away every single time 0.96

00:10:59.600 and what i want the more we grow is to have more experiences like this i want to take on our 0.98

00:11:07.080 audiences on our audience on even more of a journey because i think the magic of this trip

00:11:13.240 was and people messaged me they were like i've been watching you since 2019 or 2018 and seeing

00:11:19.300 you go on rogue and makes me so proud you know like it's like a band like you see him in the

00:11:23.660 back of a pub yeah and then you watch and grow and do bigger stuff and whatever else yeah and

00:11:28.800 i just really looking forward to when we do even more incredible things just bring everyone on a

00:11:34.580 journey with us yeah man the vlogs i think are going to be potentially a very interesting part

00:11:39.760 of the future of the show yeah because people want to see like how it actually happens you know

00:11:45.080 um and i that that's fascinating to me looking into that so we'll see what we can do but uh

00:11:50.860 elliot who's our in uh intern uh you know will be getting a nice bonus yeah because of the work 0.73

00:11:57.600 he's done on making those vlogs 50 quid coming each way i was gonna say 20 but you know what i

00:12:02.420 mean um yeah so that's been absolutely mind-blowing and the number of people who like us here who

00:12:10.940 watch us here we had someone come up to us in la who works for like a massive movie star we had

00:12:16.820 people we had people come up to us in every city that we've been in absolutely think about that

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00:13:44.400 I love about when we get a big name guest on, they always come in, they're always like a little

00:13:50.160 bit you know like a cat when it's going into a new place it's a little bit like yes and it's just

00:13:55.060 like what's going on they sit down and they're like they have a bit of a chat they go it's all

00:14:00.120 right and then they get into it yeah and they're still but a lot of the time either you or i

00:14:07.260 manages to find that way in and then it goes yeah yeah yeah it was like that with bill today yeah

00:14:13.340 uh it was like that with joe you did it with joe yeah there was a moment uh you were very wise to

00:14:18.960 mention the weed yeah yeah exactly he whipped the blunt right out yeah exactly and gin and then you

00:14:25.040 walk away like with one of our guests and i won't say who it is they came in with a fist bump and

00:14:31.180 they're left with a handshake yeah you know yeah i love that you just manage to open something up

00:14:40.260 in people and then people get to understand who they truly are yeah and why they think the way

00:14:45.800 they think yeah yeah that was fascinating it's amazing yeah it's brilliant I love that today

00:14:51.920 and every every other day that we've done and there's been some challenges like when we first

00:14:58.000 arrived all our equipment didn't show up basically we had nothing so I had to run around New York

00:15:03.120 so you know there were some challenges but it's been an absolute joy an absolute joy if this trip

00:15:12.400 it's felt slightly magical yeah there's there seems to have that kind of magical quality about it yeah

00:15:21.260 and it's just it's difficult to describe well i think we came to a place that we

00:15:30.480 we haven't really been in in this way like it's different being here doing what we were doing

00:15:35.780 yeah we're meeting people we're literally in the place where like the industry that we're in

00:15:40.980 is being created.

00:15:43.160 And cancelled.

00:15:43.940 And cancelled every day, right?

00:15:46.420 But if you're into podcasting

00:15:47.900 or if you're into stand-up

00:15:50.200 or if you're into politics or into philosophy,

00:15:53.660 we have met and interviewed on this trip

00:15:56.180 people who are literally at the pinnacle of that.

00:16:00.580 Bill Burr is at the pinnacle of stand-up.

00:16:03.120 Joe Rogan is the pinnacle of podcasting, right?

00:16:06.560 Sam Harris

00:16:09.280 is the pinnacle of the political and philosophy

00:16:12.040 conversation now you know he's got

00:16:13.840 once you get to those points people become

00:16:15.900 controversial and some people will disagree with him

00:16:17.860 but there's no question that Sam Harris

00:16:19.720 is one of the world's most prominent

00:16:22.080 public intellectuals in the last five

00:16:23.920 years five seven years

00:16:25.740 that's just what he is

00:16:27.400 him Jordan Peterson Douglas

00:16:30.000 Murray you know

00:16:31.080 these are public intellectuals at that level

00:16:33.860 um

00:16:36.560 So on all those fronts, we've been literally talking to the people

00:16:40.800 who are making and shaping that world.

00:16:43.660 Yeah.

00:16:45.580 And it's been fascinating.

00:16:49.860 This trip has felt far longer than two and a half weeks.

00:16:55.360 Yeah.

00:16:55.860 And I was thinking to myself, why is that?

00:16:57.700 And it's because we're having such incredible experiences

00:17:01.020 that time is slowing down.

00:17:04.120 Yeah. There was a point in the Rogan interview where I lost track of all time.

00:17:09.540 That would be the weed, mate. Yeah, that will be the weed.

00:17:12.740 But it's also, you know, I've had it so often since we've been here, like days last forever.

00:17:18.560 Because we're experiencing so much. We're meeting so many incredible people.

00:17:22.720 We're growing as a result. But we're going to come back, all three of us, different than when we went.

00:17:29.080 Yeah, there's no question about it. I think we're already different.

00:17:31.440 From one of the ways I'm different, you know, I am really, really keen that trigonometry becomes a vehicle now in the UK for people who are doing good things to get a bigger audience.

00:17:43.540 Yeah.

00:17:43.680 I think in the past I was so focused on growing what we are growing that it didn't occur to me that we are actually now in a position to help other people.

00:17:52.720 Yeah.

00:17:52.940 You know, and if someone is doing good work, why can't we do what Joe does here?

00:17:58.860 which is you know there are people who have I don't know 30,000 subscribers on YouTube and

00:18:05.040 in the past we were so focused on growing our audience that we wanted to talk to them but it

00:18:10.560 was it was difficult to reconcile with with the fact that we want more people to watch the show

00:18:14.820 right so you have to get people with a bigger audience and we always tried like we always gave

00:18:18.800 people an opportunity you know when when we felt that it was really worth it you know and obviously

00:18:24.760 like when we're talking about serious issues you get someone on no matter how big an audience to

00:18:29.500 have like dr ella hill is a good example like that is the interview i am most proud of that we have

00:18:34.040 done and i include this trip yeah right and that interview was never going to get more than like

00:18:38.560 a hundred thousand views or whatever it's on but for the most part you have to focus on getting

00:18:44.820 people who are big names yeah you know and part of the conversation at that level and

00:18:49.840 now I feel you know we have a responsibility to take on Joe's attitude which is building a

00:18:57.940 community of people that's what I learned from him and support people who are coming up you know

00:19:03.100 and there's so many people that in the UK are doing good stuff and we don't even know a lot

00:19:09.180 of them yet because again we've been so focused on what we've been doing but there are lots of

00:19:13.720 people comedians and other people who who are trying to make stuff yeah why not bring them

00:19:18.920 along why not why not give them an opportunity and i think that's really important because like you

00:19:24.580 said that was the inspiring thing about joe that he's he gets on people who have nowhere near

00:19:31.340 the size of an audience yeah that wouldn't that you know you would want to bring on to

00:19:38.120 so that people would hear about the podcast that people would understand it but he believes that

00:19:42.380 they have something of value to add and that he can help them along the way yeah and look he's

00:19:48.540 been burned we've been burned yeah but it's really important that you bring people in you give them

00:19:54.120 a chance so that they can then go on and create amazing things yeah well and look uh you know

00:20:00.100 whatever people think about the two people i'm going to mention the fact is they're important

00:20:04.100 figures in the culture in the cultural space we were the first people as far as i know to do a

00:20:09.040 long-form interview with zuby yep and we were the first people as far as i know to do a long-form

00:20:13.780 into Lawrence Fox yeah right um I mean I'm not saying we made them we did but yeah I'm not saying

00:20:23.180 that you should be grateful no I'm obviously not saying it but you know what I mean there are lots

00:20:30.900 of people out there who've got you know opinions that they're strongly held and they're people of

00:20:35.060 charisma and character and whatever you know and we may agree with everything that person does down

00:20:40.820 the line or not but you know i think it's really important for us to to encourage people who want

00:20:46.440 to speak their mind yeah whatever position they're coming from actually you know like a lot of

00:20:51.960 comedians had a go at us for what we said on rogan but i if there are people who have something

00:20:57.800 interesting to say and who are building something cool and exciting that don't agree with us i'd

00:21:02.400 love to have them on let's talk yeah you know i don't uh i'm not like i'm not this this experience

00:21:09.260 of being here

00:21:10.740 has been so powerfully

00:21:13.380 positively inspiring

00:21:14.580 that I don't have any of that

00:21:16.500 we're going to shut you out

00:21:19.120 just because you have the wrong opinion

00:21:20.620 I really don't

00:21:21.800 and it's very tempting

00:21:23.260 I think it's important that

00:21:25.400 we do that

00:21:28.520 I also think it's important

00:21:29.560 if we see a comedian who's been 0.93

00:21:31.640 a dick to us but maybe they're going through their own stuff 0.67

00:21:34.460 and people are going to try and cancel them for innocuous 0.99

00:21:36.960 you know we just quote tweet it in with the words ha ha exactly no but we actually bitch yeah how 1.00

00:21:42.820 does that taste no it's actually really important that we actually reach out and go hey hey brother

00:21:49.880 you okay yeah just here if you need just let me know yeah because it's important for people to

00:21:57.420 understand that we put we platform when we try to platform everybody with regards to the exceptions

00:22:08.180 at either end but everybody else you've got a chance of coming on here if you've got something

00:22:12.540 valuable to say yeah but also you know if you're going through your own stuff if you know if you

00:22:19.200 if you're in danger if you've you know you've got people who are coming for you and trying to take

00:22:23.640 away your career and everything that you can come to us and we will give you a fair hearing

00:22:28.140 and you'll be able to pursue and put across your experiences yeah and that's really important yeah

00:22:35.600 i agree so this experience has just been it's been the deep programming from a lot of kind of

00:22:43.340 cultural indoctrination that we have in the uk that i've needed um as for you know a lot of people

00:22:49.380 were asking like are we moving to texas or whatever like uh i don't think we will be right

00:22:55.360 away but i definitely think we'll be spending more time in america than we have been well we

00:22:59.580 haven't been spending any time in america so this but like we'll be back and probably quite soon

00:23:04.440 and probably for a period of time yeah but we'll see we'll see how that goes we'll see how that

00:23:10.700 goes but i also feel you know like i i mean you can't pretend that when joe rogan says to you

00:23:18.100 live in front of millions of people and also then like in private you should come i really want you

00:23:24.980 to come and be part of the community here like you can't deny that that's flattering and very

00:23:30.840 appealing particularly because austin is fucking incredible yeah and it's also as well you've got

00:23:35.780 you need to try it yeah you need to try but what i where i was going was also i do feel that you

00:23:45.200 know we are a british show yeah and the people who watched us from the beginning and the people

00:23:52.160 who supported us from the beginning and the people who who were really invested in our show yeah a

00:23:58.180 lot of them are from britain and the issues we talk about are important to them in their lives

00:24:04.220 and to just like abandon them and just jump on the bandwagon of the united states i don't think

00:24:11.000 that would be the right move for us now that's not to say that we may not eventually just

00:24:15.080 for whatever reason feel like this is the place that we've got to be for you know for longer or

00:24:21.820 permanently but at the moment i feel like you know there's such important battles being fought

00:24:26.900 and actually there are some wins going on you know gender ideology in the time that we've been away

00:24:32.680 tavistock has been shut down we had a whistleblower from tavistock come and talk about it

00:24:37.440 yeah to hundreds of thousands of people yeah government ministers i bet you who who made that

00:24:44.180 decision and who who were part of the process of that whole thing they would have watched that

00:24:50.780 interview yeah you know that that's just one example and there's been others too and that's

00:24:56.660 the thing about the uk is it's still our home we still consider ourselves british and there's so

00:25:03.200 many problems here at the moment there's so many things that we need to talk about there's so many

00:25:07.900 things that aren't being talked about in nearly as honest a way as they should be and we really

00:25:13.960 need to go back and talk to these people and expose what is happening in all these different

00:25:20.180 you know in all these different facets of society it needs to be done because we were the ones doing

00:25:27.380 it now there were other people who've come along but I like to think that we do it best

00:25:31.840 and that we need to be back yeah i agree and also uh you know our raw shows they're not

00:25:39.420 everybody's cup of tea for sure yeah because some people are frigid yeah exactly minges

00:25:44.460 and not in a good way too far but anyway uh what i was going to say is uh we met one of our top

00:25:54.120 supporters yeah here in new york nathan woodard and one of the things he said to us i never really

00:25:59.520 thought about it like that because it's a kind of you know if you think that about yourself it's an

00:26:02.700 arrogant way of looking at it but on raw we combine offensive but funny comedy with

00:26:11.360 what i'd like to think is a fair-minded political analysis yeah that will take the piss out of the

00:26:19.600 people on the left and the right when they go wrong now look we have our views of things and

00:26:24.600 at the moment the far left concerns us more yeah because it's more numerous and it's captured

00:26:29.240 institutions and so on whatever but we are combining a fair-minded political commentary

00:26:34.740 with humor and what nathan said to us he said you're not the best at what you do you're the

00:26:40.420 only people who do that and i'm not i'm certainly not aware of any comparable show and i don't think

00:26:46.840 you could do a comparable show on tv even on even on somewhere you know like gb news where the guys

00:26:51.580 do a good job you know but it's still constrained by the parameters of television uh boys what we

00:26:57.640 do is raw exactly and raw works because we're british because we take a british attitude

00:27:07.760 and a british way of looking at the world a british lens and just cast it across the globe

00:27:14.100 and the people who watch us tend to be you know people from all over the world but they tend to

00:27:20.200 be two things they tend to be anglophiles number one and number two they're lovers of british

00:27:25.640 comedy so they watch this and they get this sort of wry look at the world very cynical 0.99

00:27:32.380 and that's british and i love american humor and i love american are you gonna shit on american 0.82

00:27:38.360 stand-ups no you're gonna do both in one trip no no i love british humor and the american comics 0.99

00:27:43.600 all suck yeah they all suck no but that way of looking at the world of going this is shit isn't 0.99

00:27:51.340 it that's british yeah yeah that's what we do best yeah that's what we and that's what that's 1.00

00:27:57.080 what raw is yeah he's looking at all these different complex complex difficult you know 0.94

00:28:04.020 subjects and events and just going it's a bit shit in it yeah and combined with you know 0.53

00:28:10.980 we push every boundary yeah you know comedically yeah it's fun yeah it's a lot of fun man so i

00:28:19.080 I look forward to getting back and getting the Raw started back up.

00:28:22.260 Yeah.

00:28:22.640 And, of course, I mean, we've recorded, like, incredible interviews

00:28:26.860 that I look forward to putting out for, like,

00:28:28.880 it'll last us a month, if not more.

00:28:30.640 I'm so excited for people to see these interviews.

00:28:33.880 Oh, I mean, Sam Harris, you know,

00:28:35.400 that's going to piss off a hell of a lot of people,

00:28:37.380 but also there's a bit in it when he talks about

00:28:40.080 how to live a happy life that's just brilliant.

00:28:42.760 You know, Bill Burr, hilarious.

00:28:46.580 Yeah.

00:28:46.700 Adam Carolla talking about how California has become

00:28:50.820 like a super progressive and therefore very restricted place

00:28:53.740 and being really funny and talking about the working class situation

00:28:58.820 and all of that.

00:28:59.800 Matt Walsh was brilliant.

00:29:01.340 Matt Walsh was very good and I challenged him pretty hard

00:29:03.580 on the feminist stuff. 0.83

00:29:05.220 So people will, I think, feel like he got asked the right questions,

00:29:11.460 at least from me.

00:29:12.680 I think there's something we probably left out that Posey might,

00:29:15.760 she might revoke

00:29:17.040 the praise that she had

00:29:18.060 for us

00:29:18.460 after Rogan

00:29:19.520 but we'll see

00:29:20.420 you know

00:29:22.260 Jan Jekyllic

00:29:23.120 very interesting

00:29:24.160 yeah

00:29:24.580 Coleman Hughes

00:29:26.120 always great

00:29:26.840 Mark Norman

00:29:27.580 Tyler Fisher

00:29:28.480 is a great interview

00:29:29.380 you know

00:29:30.340 Theo Vaughn

00:29:31.560 I mean that one

00:29:32.300 we've got to take

00:29:34.240 responsibility for that man

00:29:35.460 well I don't know

00:29:36.220 I think Joe needs to

00:29:37.140 take some responsibility

00:29:37.980 because he's got us 0.99

00:29:38.940 fucking stoned 0.99

00:29:39.680 yeah 1.00

00:29:40.100 and then sent us off

00:29:40.940 to interview Theo Vaughn

00:29:41.880 yeah

00:29:42.200 and bless Theo

00:29:43.400 lovely man

00:29:44.220 phenomenal comedian

00:29:45.120 by the way

00:29:45.480 Jimmy, one of the best comedians ever.

00:29:46.540 When we saw him live afterwards, it was insane.

00:29:48.640 He was insane.

00:29:49.480 Like, so good.

00:29:50.460 And what a sweetheart as well.

00:29:51.880 Really nice guy.

00:29:53.060 But he turns up a sober dude to two comedians' podcasts

00:29:57.340 that he's never watched who are clearly off their nut.

00:30:00.140 Yeah.

00:30:01.420 Yeah, it was weird.

00:30:02.760 It was weird.

00:30:04.420 Thanks, Joe.

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00:31:28.820 The stuff that we are putting out as a result of this trip is going to be high quality.

00:31:35.400 People are going to love the interviews.

00:31:37.060 it's going to be so exciting for us to see people because like you said like it's been such a leap

00:31:43.140 for us to be interviewing these people um who we who we've always wanted to talk with you know

00:31:49.900 because and also for me you know there's a there's like uh an intellectual challenge yeah part of it

00:31:57.160 which is like can i dance the dance with sam harris yeah and i actually thought we did exactly

00:32:02.360 that we did you know we we held them we we were with him and whenever he said things that we

00:32:08.580 thought you know he his logic was faulty like we knew what to say you know what i mean there's

00:32:13.240 always that part of it too like you're you're you're talking to some smart people now yeah

00:32:18.280 sam harris was one of those people he had rich billionaire vibes when he came in yeah and he

00:32:23.700 just sat down by the way what a nice dude what a lovely lovely lovely man we had some tech issues

00:32:30.880 and Anton was faffing about

00:32:32.440 with trying to work it out

00:32:34.320 and whatever.

00:32:34.720 It was taking a long time

00:32:35.800 and we were like, 1.00

00:32:36.820 okay, fuck it. 1.00

00:32:37.660 Like, look, 1.00

00:32:38.320 I don't want to waste

00:32:39.900 any more of your time, Sam.

00:32:41.080 Anton, let's just do it.

00:32:42.060 And he was like,

00:32:42.680 no, no, guys, guys,

00:32:44.120 I don't have anything planned

00:32:45.340 for the rest of the afternoon

00:32:46.240 so just take your time

00:32:47.580 and we'll do it right.

00:32:49.460 And he gave us,

00:32:50.540 we did an hour 40 interview with him?

00:32:52.560 Longer than that, yeah.

00:32:53.600 So he was supposed to be here

00:32:54.980 from midday until one

00:32:57.840 and he left at like 2.30.

00:33:00.880 it was great it was incredible and he wanted to keep going i wanted to keep going yeah we all did

00:33:06.260 but we had you know we had things with places that we needed to be dinner dinner exactly but

00:33:11.500 what what a pleasure what a pleasure to sit with a mind as brilliant as sam's and just hear him talk

00:33:18.180 yeah absolutely that was incredible and you know bill was fascinating as well because he's on an

00:33:23.640 interesting journey as a person yeah you know he talked a lot about basically you know becoming a

00:33:29.360 better person and how that's affecting him and how other people perceive him as different and all

00:33:33.380 that yeah and you know how to become not only a better person for yourself but arguably more

00:33:38.680 importantly better person for your children absolutely and of course he was hilarious

00:33:42.760 yeah absolutely hilarious yeah you know and there were a few little digs at both of us in there 0.99

00:33:47.720 yeah yeah yeah there was even when you watch it a little bit of a dare i say shit impersonation 0.99

00:33:54.100 to me bill was that yeah oh right back to the camera yeah yeah yeah i think it was a shit 0.98

00:33:59.940 impersonation of all british people to be honest exactly a collective impersonation of all of us 0.93

00:34:04.540 yeah uh but that was fantastic and uh and by the way there's people who we didn't interview but

00:34:10.780 like bridget fetus yeah what what a quality human being she is absolutely brilliant gnome from the

00:34:17.540 from the comedy cellar gnome who runs the comedy cellar chris williamson who you know showed us

00:34:22.980 around austin i love his channel modern wisdom people should check it out he's just been on

00:34:27.060 rogan literally yesterday yeah as we recorded it so he's crushing it and he really looked after us

00:34:32.220 yeah i mean seb gorker was just like amazing yeah um you know everybody that we got to hang out with

00:34:38.840 it was just a minch yeah as your people would say yeah but uh we went to like the comedy cellar we

00:34:46.420 saw kevin hart live live i mean there were some bits that weren't great the one bit that was funny

00:34:52.560 Oh, my God.

00:34:53.200 Oh, man, that was incredible.

00:34:54.660 That bit was incredible.

00:34:57.380 TJ Miller, he's had his critics.

00:35:02.920 But he was phenomenal.

00:35:05.200 Look, the whole thing was just touched by magic.

00:35:10.320 Yes, it was.

00:35:11.500 It was.

00:35:12.580 Right from the first day.

00:35:14.200 Yeah.

00:35:15.860 And, you know, we couldn't have done it without our, like,

00:35:20.660 like i said man when i looked at my phone yesterday i was just like i can't believe this is my life

00:35:26.200 yeah you know and um that's why we talked to joe about gratitude it's like um you know the feeling

00:35:34.560 of gratitude that you and i and anton feel and and this is the thing i think people probably

00:35:43.060 watch the show and think like we're packing millions away in our bank accounts like we

00:35:47.800 haven't got any money at all no right ignore the surroundings we really don't no we don't we don't

00:35:54.280 we make enough money to pay ourselves a reasonable modest salary and to pay our staff that's what

00:35:59.520 that's all the money that we have it's not like we we've built a compound like tim pool or joe

00:36:04.140 rogan or whatever but just being here yeah and doing this it's like bill bursa just like none

00:36:11.040 of us has a real job no and our job is this yeah this is what we do and that's why we're so happy 0.98

00:36:17.060 It's not like we came to LA and bought a fucking mansion. 0.97

00:36:19.480 No. 0.99

00:36:20.460 We are delighted because we get to do this.

00:36:24.800 Yeah.

00:36:27.160 And we get to do Raw.

00:36:28.880 Yeah.

00:36:29.760 And we get to be free.

00:36:31.240 And we get to be free.

00:36:32.280 And we don't have to muzzle ourselves

00:36:34.580 and we can do the jokes that we want

00:36:36.220 and we don't have to beg comedy promoters

00:36:39.820 for opportunities or whatever.

00:36:41.980 We're just doing our thing

00:36:43.480 and there's an audience out there for that.

00:36:45.760 Exactly.

00:36:46.200 and it's

00:36:47.220 just like Bernard Manning

00:36:48.340 yeah

00:36:48.640 a good man

00:36:49.740 compared to a lot of comedians

00:36:55.940 I mean more moral probably

00:36:57.740 far more moral

00:36:58.780 but

00:36:59.720 it's not untrue

00:37:03.380 but

00:37:04.820 that is

00:37:06.820 that is because

00:37:07.940 of the people who support us

00:37:09.660 it's the people

00:37:11.080 who like I said

00:37:12.220 one off donations

00:37:13.180 it's the amazing audience

00:37:14.640 that we've cultivated

00:37:15.500 this works because of them yeah and that's why when i go back a lot of my excitement is going to

00:37:26.160 be from just going they're going to lose their minds when they see the bill burr interview

00:37:32.240 or they're going to get so fucking pissed off with sam harris it's exciting yeah man it's so 0.93

00:37:40.600 exciting that we're going to give them these amazing interviews but i'm going to be honest

00:37:44.860 with you like i don't know what other podcast does that it's just gonna be great and just to

00:37:52.320 get the feedback and people going me fucking or people just going yeah that was brilliant i think 0.89

00:37:57.020 already had that part yeah exactly i mean sam harris is going to get that yeah yes he is yes he 0.85

00:38:04.400 is but you know one of the other things i learned from joe as well is how dispassionately he is he

00:38:14.780 dispassionate he is about disagreeing with people yeah when joe rogan says i don't think that's true

00:38:21.560 you don't feel attacked no you don't right like for example you said right at the end of the

00:38:27.420 conversation that people who say that boring fighting is is boring you know certain styles

00:38:33.280 of fighting are boring and they're not real fans anyone that's not true yeah and he gave you an

00:38:37.860 example but you didn't feel like you were attacked or humiliated even though you should have been 0.98

00:38:42.360 yeah right for not knowing your shit exactly destroyed with facts and logic yeah you know 0.97

00:38:47.600 what i mean yeah of course and that's one of the other things that i really hope that we can 0.99

00:38:52.260 cultivate with our show is like i think when we were starting out a lot of people felt that

00:39:01.080 they attached and projected their own political views and ambitious on ambitions onto us they

00:39:07.500 thought that we have a particular ideology that we follow yeah and we we are the vehicle by which

00:39:15.340 that ideology will win right but that's not really true we want to talk to different people and so

00:39:23.140 one of the things that means is we've got to be able to talk to someone like sam with whom i

00:39:29.240 disagree very profoundly on some of the things that he said in that interview you know yeah and

00:39:33.460 we've got to be able to talk to him and talk to him in a respectful way of course in the way that

00:39:37.380 he feels heard in the way that he feels um that he was worth his time coming here that's really

00:39:42.480 important that that's the only way we progress if it's just talking points uh you know i've got

00:39:48.380 this one you've got that one i don't think we're going to get anywhere you know and if we're going

00:39:52.380 to use the internet we've talked so much on our show about the damage the damage the utter damage

00:39:59.620 to our society that social media is doing big tech companies are doing you know then we have

00:40:06.780 to offer something that is the antidote to that at least here at least in the hour or two hours

00:40:13.040 that we spend with somebody we've got to create a space where different conversations can be had

00:40:18.140 and different people with different voices can be heard i've always said my dream week at

00:40:23.380 trigonometry would be to release nigel farage on a wednesday trump on a sunday no farage on a

00:40:30.040 wednesday corbyn on a sunday jeremy corbyn yeah that's what i want us to be i want us to be and

00:40:35.620 we are but continue to be and grow as being the center yeah where we interview everybody yeah

00:40:42.240 and you come here and you know what you're going to get is a fair hearing and you're going to get

00:40:49.060 a chance for you to say what you think and why you think it and you'll be asked the questions that 0.94

00:40:54.800 normal people normal people will want to hear an answer to you not some journalist bullshit yeah

00:40:59.760 you know some people would say this and no yeah what what a normal person me or you like we're

00:41:05.820 we're normal this is the thing that makes the show work yeah we're just normal people yeah who have

00:41:09.960 normal questions we try to think about things in a common sense way we're not we're not you know

00:41:15.000 political philosophers or whatever yeah we're just trying to ask the questions that most people

00:41:19.060 would like to know and sometimes those questions are more intellectual because you know that there

00:41:23.940 are people out there who want the the mind nourishment of an intellectual conversation

00:41:28.220 and sometimes it's more practical it's about you know day-to-day politics and sometimes it's

00:41:32.540 entertaining or sometimes it's about a really you know i think high stakes issue yeah like

00:41:39.280 the grooming gangs or like the trans conversation right now where children are being mutilated yeah 0.78

00:41:44.540 and I feel a lot of vindication now

00:41:47.280 that you're seeing the Maya Forestarter case

00:41:49.340 the Alison Bailey case

00:41:50.520 the Tavistock getting shut down

00:41:52.360 for you know

00:41:53.940 being one of the first people in our space

00:41:56.360 all the feminists are going to get pissed off now 1.00

00:42:00.400 because they've been talking about it for years

00:42:01.680 but in terms of podcasters

00:42:04.080 who come from our background

00:42:05.700 comedy

00:42:06.140 we talked on Rogan about how scary it was

00:42:08.920 to talk to Posey

00:42:09.880 but I feel we were intellectually honest

00:42:13.300 in that moment

00:42:14.040 we challenged her as best we could to try and save our careers yeah we couldn't and we were

00:42:19.560 like well she's telling you know what she's saying makes sense to me i'm not going to pretend it's not

00:42:25.180 true yeah and we carried on and we continue to explore that issue and continue to highlight

00:42:29.760 that issue because you and i genuinely care about those children who are in finding themselves in

00:42:35.000 that position and that's why it's so important that we go back yeah and it's why it's so important

00:42:41.880 that we we will come to america we will spend time in america but at its heart it will always

00:42:48.000 be a british show hosted by two british guys it just we because who are you getting to replace

00:42:53.740 me mate exactly but we we can't pretend to be anything else the show works because we're honest

00:42:59.520 yeah it's true rogan our appearance on rogan went for four and a bit hours because if you were

00:43:04.480 pretending to be someone else no one's that good an actor that you can improvise for four and a

00:43:08.680 bit hours yeah the mask is gonna slip i don't care how talented how smart you just can't yeah and

00:43:16.280 that's what you get with us this is who we are so for me this has been a joy i love america

00:43:25.040 but we've always got to continue to look at the world through a british lens 1.00

00:43:29.960 it's shit 1.00

00:43:32.840 there we go 1.00

00:43:34.960 alright mate well

00:43:36.680 before we go I think

00:43:39.320 you know in the spirit

00:43:41.380 of gratitude

00:43:42.040 we've said our gratitude

00:43:45.100 to our supporters and I

00:43:46.420 I really really

00:43:49.300 appreciate them so much

00:43:50.400 I thought you were going to go for the Jesus thing 0.84

00:43:53.360 there I just want to thank Jesus

00:43:55.000 thank Jesus well actually

00:43:57.200 I wanted to thank you because

00:43:58.740 We've been through a lot together

00:44:05.320 Yeah

00:44:06.520 Yeah we have

00:44:09.900 You know

00:44:11.180 Yeah

00:44:12.180 This was planned guys

00:44:17.980 No we really have

00:44:19.620 Yeah we have man

00:44:20.480 Well you know

00:44:21.880 Because

00:44:23.140 It's easy

00:44:25.320 When you're watching the other side

00:44:28.100 that you think that 1.00

00:44:29.060 because when it goes to shit 0.99

00:44:34.720 and we've had our differences 0.99

00:44:35.860 but I always know

00:44:38.340 that you've got my back

00:44:39.260 and you know

00:44:40.440 the thing in life is

00:44:42.100 there's very few people

00:44:43.440 who've actually got your back

00:44:44.440 there's a lot of people who say

00:44:46.500 and there's a lot of people

00:44:47.820 who act like it

00:44:48.740 but the moment 1.00

00:44:49.820 that the shit hits the fan 1.00

00:44:51.280 that's when you know 1.00

00:44:54.540 you've got I'm a friend

00:44:55.380 yeah

00:44:57.460 So I really appreciate you, man.

00:44:59.400 I appreciate you too, man.

00:45:00.480 Will you marry me?

00:45:02.260 I'm not going.

00:45:05.700 Cut.

00:45:09.920 Guys, come here.

00:45:10.960 Let's have a...

00:45:12.480 It's okay, hon. 0.99

00:45:14.820 Fucking well done. 0.97

00:45:16.400 Well done, boys. 0.99

00:45:18.200 Master.

00:45:19.140 Thanks, you two so much.

00:45:20.680 Thank you, Anton.

00:45:21.580 Thank you, man.

00:45:22.420 No, you come on, you're on to this, on this.

00:45:26.160 You made it.

00:45:27.300 We all made it.

TRIGGERnometry - August 11, 2022

Meeting Joe Rogan, Bill Burr, Sam Harris, Matt Walsh + more!

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