00:04:23.260And one of the things that you guys have charted on trigonometry since you started has been the growth of the illiberal liberal.
00:04:33.120You know, the person that I might disagree with fundamentally politically, but I respect their right to their opinion, or I think they're a bit batty.
00:04:41.960Whereas they think I'm evil and I should be silenced.
00:04:44.560And when you get a group of human beings who think they're superior to another group of human beings, well, then anything goes.
00:04:54.660Literally anything goes, whether it's using the legal system in a way that it was never intended to be, whether it's comedians regularly saying things that are totally extraordinary.
00:05:07.240But they believe that's all justified.
00:05:10.700And so I think, I mean, all of that was a contributory factor to the mind of this young man that wanted to kill Trump.
00:05:19.120I mean, I'm not saying assassinations are new.
00:05:45.780I wrote a piece last September in Newsweek in which I said Biden would not be the candidate.
00:05:52.100I mean, how this mainstream media, you know, I'm talking New York Times, CNN, senior officials in the Democrat Party, Nancy Pelosi, the former speaker, etc.
00:06:04.020I mean, they have been conning the American public for a very long period of time that Biden was up to the job of being leader of the free world, when very clearly he wasn't.
00:07:06.540Yeah, and then, of course, he introduced Kamala Harris as Vice President-elect Trump.
00:07:12.880Yeah, I mean, look, you know, we can laugh, but it's not funny, really, is it?
00:07:17.180Because it was the withdrawal of the last 3,000 American troops from Afghanistan.
00:07:23.880Despite the fact no American soldier had been killed for 18 months.
00:07:27.360They were just training the Afghan army, which was doing all the heavy lifting and fighting at great loss.
00:07:32.760The leaving behind of nearly $100 billion worth of really prime American military equipment.
00:07:41.240And it was that catastrophe and handing the Taliban back the keys after 20 years that led to Putin doing what he did in Ukraine.
00:07:50.100I have no doubt that if Trump had been in the White House, that would not have happened.
00:07:54.940So the serious side is that Biden finishes four years with the world a very much more dangerous place than it was when he took over.
00:08:04.500And if you think about just the Democrats, they're not fit for purpose.
00:08:09.420How can you have a party saying he's fit to run and at the same time you look at him and he looks like someone's granddad who's no longer able to function?
00:08:20.560Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, many of us have seen somewhere in our immediate or near families, you know, what the effect of dementia is and it's horrendous and you wouldn't wish it on your worst enemy.
00:08:33.180And they've just been hiding this and hiding him, doing as few public engagements as he possibly could, scripted, you know, to the nth degree.
00:08:43.980I mean, God knows what world leaders must have thought when they go to the Oval Office.
00:08:48.060Keir Starmer was nice about him, but then I guess as a brand new British Prime Minister, it might have been undiplomatic to say that he's a complete old duffer.
00:08:56.640Yeah, no, the Democrats, I mean, they, what's interesting is in Harris, they've got somebody who is really way out there on the Liberal wing.
00:09:11.820Can I just pause you there? You said she's way out there. What do you mean by that?
00:09:16.380Oh, I think on, you know, critical race theory, I think on trans rights, I think on all these issues.
00:09:23.440I think on her support for Black Lives Matter, you know, when they were setting fire to places and killing people, but no problem, because they're lovely people.
00:09:32.520You know, I mean, that's where she is on all this stuff.
00:09:36.580You know, she'll chop and change as suits.
00:09:40.020And so I think this initial rush of money that has come for her, this, oh, the polls are tightening, the polls are tightening, maybe she's in the lead, all this stuff that we've got just a few days in.
00:09:57.580You know, what's interesting about what we're talking about, Nigel, is if you're a neutral observer and you're watching, forget about what your own politics are or anything, you're just watching the coverage and then you're watching the reality afterwards.
00:10:09.860And you go, these people told me that Joe Biden was in perfect health and the right person.
00:10:14.480And then next week he resigns and clearly not in perfect health and not the right person.
00:10:18.240And now the new narrative is Kamala Harris is not a DEI hire.
00:10:23.400Well, if you go back and look at the media coverage at the time, they were all saying the next vice president must be a black woman.
00:10:29.460And now people like me who are pointing that out are being told, no, no, no, you imagined it.
00:10:33.660And if you were a neutral observer looking, if you had a memory and you were able to remember what they said before it changed, I think you must be just completely disillusioned with anything that you're reading or watching now.
00:11:54.720I saw it because it was tweeted by her or somebody connected to her and it had, you know, millions of views and thousands and tens of thousands of likes.
00:12:13.000And I thought, OK, well, she must have got Farage.
00:12:18.460I couldn't even understand why anybody liked or responded to it because it was just her asking you if Donald Trump is OK and you're going, he's just been shot.
00:14:21.980I was elected five times to the European Parliament.
00:14:24.260The last two times, top of the list in the southeast of England and leading a party to national victory.
00:14:32.720You know, when UKIP won in 2014, it was the first time a national election had been won by a party that wasn't Labour or the Conservatives since 1906.
00:14:43.280And when the Brexit Party won in 2019, I became the first man in British history to lead two different parties to two national victories.
00:14:49.280But that, of course, was proportion of representation.
00:14:52.540Then we get the fix of first past the post and all that goes with it.
00:14:56.120When I was standing in the 90s for UKIP, saving a deposit was the cause for a wild night out.
00:28:06.580So my first big project, and I haven't really talked about this before, but my first big project is going to be the first Thursday in May next year, is the English County Council elections.
00:28:22.220There are 2,300 county council seats up for grabs.
00:28:30.540And you can judge me whether I'm doing well or badly on that day.
00:28:35.180But I think if, and it's a big if, we can build the structure, we can find over 2,000 really good, solid, reliable people who think the right way and are prepared to give up time, you know, for the local counties and communities.
00:28:51.440I think we can make a massive step forward.
00:28:56.460People think, oh, well, of course, you'll just hurt the Tories.
00:28:58.760You know, one of the reasons that Labour vote share was down at 33.8% was more Labour votes came to reform than anybody has yet given it credit for.
00:29:09.740And I found it really interesting that the Sunday after the election, there was Tony Blair in the Sunday Times saying the Labour Party need to watch reform.
00:29:20.860He gets it, he gets it, he gets it, he gets it, he gets it, he gets it that in over 100 seats, second to Labour isn't the Conservatives, it's reform.
00:29:51.340You know, we've got a real opportunity coming up in these years.
00:29:56.840Now, you know, leading up to that, obviously, there's policy development, there's fundraising, there's structure, there's all the things that I said.
00:49:09.060You can stay at home because we'll pay you a lot to work.
00:49:10.780So a rewiring of the minds of younger people, particularly when it comes to what is success, what is happiness, what is fulfillment.
00:49:25.920And I'm not sure we're really debating this stuff.
00:49:27.680Now, the one thing I'm happy with is I'm seeing in Gen Z quite a big reversal that I didn't see with the millennials.
00:49:41.340An awful lot of young people now, a growing number of young people now, are actually rejecting what they're being taught, are really ambitious, want to get on.
00:49:53.220And I hope this is the start of something positive.
00:49:55.860But it's coming as a reaction to, frankly, just pure socialism, strong state socialism that's being taught in virtually every school in Britain.
00:50:08.060I've had quite a big uptick in support from young people or, I don't know, some sort of fame, I guess, with the teens out there.
00:50:19.260And, you know, I'm approaching a million on TikTok followers, et cetera.
00:50:27.960It's a bit crazy, some of it, but they seem to like it.
00:50:30.500And I did The Jungle on ITV last year and all the rest of it.
00:50:35.020But it's very interesting to hear the frustrations of young people, you know, getting a house, getting a good job.
00:50:42.960All they want is what their mum and dad have had.
00:50:46.200That's all they want, all their gran and granddad have had.
00:50:50.580And they feel that society is somehow taking that away from them.
00:50:54.460But there's a much more can-do attitude among them.
00:50:58.600But they're deciding this for themselves and on social media platforms.
00:51:02.980We are not, through the education system, teaching people that actually, do you know what, being self-reliant is quite good.
00:51:12.260But the problem is, and as we touched on before, which is political courage.
00:51:17.980So, what we have now is a Labour government that are not going to challenge this.
00:51:24.500They're not going to address this because they don't want to alienate their core fan base because they market themselves as the caring party.
00:51:32.420So, it's a rather pessimistic question.
00:51:35.560But isn't everything going to get worse for the next four or so years whilst we have a Labour government?
00:52:35.900And love for this government's going to run out very, very quickly.
00:52:38.920All the problems that we've talked about already, of people getting poorer, of our chronic productivity levels, of those divisions in society that we ran through earlier, they're all going to get worse.
00:52:54.060Which means there's a bigger and bigger gap.
00:52:55.740In fact, the gap is so much bigger than what I sat here with you in February 2023.
00:53:00.940There is an enormous gap for a new kind of politics that is much more bullish, much more assertive, and much more optimistic.
00:53:09.400And that is what, in reform, we are going to do.
00:53:13.200Well, that's the big opportunity for you.
00:53:16.520One of the things somebody put to me recently, and they said, oh, you're interviewing Farage, you've got to talk to me, is this idea of a pact with the Tories at the next election.
00:53:58.380And we're working together on a really exciting project.
00:54:01.000And you transform my morning by asking me, do I want to do a deal with this terrible bunch of backstabbers that wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bopped them on the nose?
00:54:12.380No, I'm not suggesting even remotely that that would be your ambition.
00:54:15.460What I'm suggesting is that may be the way that you actually start to have a real impact on this country in a way that you've had today, admittedly.
00:54:26.720But this would be an opportunity for actually a party that you have strong influence over to be in government.
00:54:33.080That would be quite an opportunity, wouldn't it?
00:54:36.100I have no idea what I'm having for lunch tomorrow, let alone what the relative strength or merits.
00:54:48.020There needs to be a realignment of politics.
00:54:53.100And it's not, but as I say, everyone obsesses about the Conservative Party and my relationship or non-relationship with it.
00:54:59.380But I still believe there are a huge number of Labour voters out there that actually agree with many of the values that I believe in and that we're going to promote.
00:55:08.480So maybe, if there is a radical realignment of British politics, maybe it's even more radical than anybody at the moment can yet even begin to imagine.
00:55:17.700Look, when I started all this off 30 years ago, exactly 30 years ago, it was 19, in fact, more than that 31 years ago.
00:55:27.820It was 93 when, you know, a young businessman, one of my little brokerage firm in the city.
00:55:59.500My vision then of what Europe would become with a full political union and why we shouldn't be part of it, that came to pass.
00:56:09.800And I've got a lot of things wrong in my life, huge number of things wrong in my life, but occasionally I get things right.
00:56:15.900And what I'm good at, I believe, is seeing the very big picture of thinking outside the day-to-day, outside the petty, the pernickety, and looking at the big picture.
00:56:52.380You mentioned Europe, Nigel, before we start to get towards the end of the interview.
00:56:55.980I mean, a similar thing is happening in Europe.
00:56:58.440They have very different histories and political systems and everything else.
00:57:02.360But it's very clear that you've got the radical left and a response from the right both going up at the same time.
00:57:10.480How do you see Europe and what's happening there?
00:57:13.640Because many of the issues that we've talked about, whether it's the Muslim stuff or anything else, is happening there on an even bigger scale.
00:57:19.280Yeah, I mean, Europe is, as I said earlier, a far worse place than we are.
00:57:25.640The politics of Europe is changing very, very rapidly.
00:57:32.980I don't think that the current European political structures can survive.
00:57:37.200I think there is a major, I believe there is going to be a very major financial shock that is coming back over the course of the next five years, maybe six years.
00:58:16.780And if the 2008 big crash was precipitated by an excess of debt, an excess of individual debt, an excess of corporate debt through some of those housing deals in America,
00:58:32.080an excess of national debt leading to terrible crises in the Eurozone and huge money transfers to Greece and countries like that,
00:58:41.040that wasn't even a fraction of where we are now.
00:58:44.560It wasn't even a fraction of where we are now.
00:58:52.380Inflation is a disease of money caused by government.
00:58:57.240You'll never, ever forget that phrase because it's true.
00:59:01.620And much of this is going to come crashing down.
00:59:03.800And when that happens, there will be huge political change in Europe, although I'm not sure it'll be changed for the better.
00:59:14.160Because much of the so-called right in Europe is actually wedded to the same economic philosophies that have put us in this mess in the first place.
00:59:26.320And so they would be cultural shifts exacerbated by a financial crash.
00:59:32.460And what I'm hoping here is that we're able, when these difficult times come, that we're able to come back with a set of economic as well as cultural policies that put us in the right place.
00:59:48.280France, let me just ask one quick question.
00:59:50.040Nigel, I hate to ask this question because it sounds very black and white, one-dimensional, etc.
00:59:56.400But the way you described it there, you know, financial problems, more inflation, the radical left versus the radical right.
01:00:04.600For anyone who's studied history, there's some similarities there with a period of time about 100 years ago in Europe.
01:00:15.100Are we in the 1930s is what I'm asking you?
01:00:16.940Obviously, you know, the two catastrophic world wars or one war really was a rivalry with Germany.
01:00:24.400It was within Europe, whereas now it's external forces that give us the threat.
01:00:28.720Iran is a major threat to world peace.
01:00:33.740Quite why Obama and Biden and the European Union and David Cameron and Boris Johnson thought it was good to do deals with Iran and free up tens of billions of dollars for them is beyond me.
01:01:04.640Putin, who I think a lot of us 10 or 15 years ago thought was a very intelligent bloke, but now appears to have lost his marbles, frankly, with what he's doing.
01:01:13.560So the world is in a very, very dangerous place.
01:01:18.700If we do head into serious conflicts, it won't be Europe.
01:01:26.260And that's why the similarity with the 30s doesn't work directly, looking at Europe.
01:01:31.760But, yeah, it's a world in a very, very dangerous place.
01:01:36.260Nigel, thank you so much for coming on the show.
01:01:38.420We always finish with the last question, which is what's the one thing we're not talking about as a society that we really should be?
01:01:43.800I think I'm going to come back to money and personal money.
01:01:49.560If you're young and watching this, you ain't getting a state pension.
01:02:02.860And I think that if I'm even half right about the financial situation we're in, I think one of the best indicators of that has been the gold price.
01:02:13.460And I know that, you know, I've been working with a gold company who are sponsoring this, who are sponsoring this particular episode.
01:02:20.600The gold price could be a lot, a lot higher.
01:02:23.060Big secret, folks, you could actually put gold bars into your pension.
01:02:27.080No pension advisor out there will ever tell you that, but you can do it.
01:02:52.300We're fighting a big row with the banks.
01:02:54.120The level of control that the state and the banks want on your money, not just how you earn it, but how you spend it and how you live.
01:03:04.080And I think it was a growing realization that crypto offers some remarkable freedoms from that.
01:03:09.780And whilst it's true, there have been some appalling frauds that have been committed within that market.
01:03:18.860I think as government gets bigger and bigger and bigger, which it will in the short term until we get this massive political revolution that I pray is going to happen, I think more and more people will be attracted to crypto.
01:03:30.460And if we were sitting in Miami now having this conversation, you could go out now and buy a Starbucks with crypto, buy a Ferrari with crypto.
01:03:50.020Head on over to Locals, where we ask Nigel your questions.
01:03:55.040Nigel, if you were PM with a sizable majority, how would you navigate the kind of issues Liz Trust faced in regards to the civil service and establishment players?
01:04:03.240And I will add to this, the markets, too.