00:05:05.980Because I remember, you know, irrespective of the person, some of the stuff that she was saying, I imagine knowing you a little bit would have had you quite excited.
00:05:18.280A relaxation of IR35 rules, which are killing, you know, small, self-employed men and women acting as contractors, whether they're driving lorries or doing work in the tech sector.
00:06:59.860But I literally think that is what happened.
00:07:02.520This is what I was going to ask you, Nigel, because I think the globalist part of it we can talk about as well.
00:07:07.840But also from within the country itself, I'm starting to wonder whether we have dynamism in this country.
00:07:14.640We believe that, like, we seem to have become a country that's forgotten that we have to make money before we can squabble over who gets what.
00:07:21.620But, like, do we still have that drive and ambition and the desire to build things in this country?
00:07:28.760Look, there are lots of people out there that are entrepreneurial, that are hardworking, that despite the tax regime, despite the regulatory regime, will still go out there and do their best.
00:07:40.080But there's an awful lot of people who are not doing that because they're not being encouraged to do that.
00:07:45.200They're not seeing the reward for doing that.
00:07:47.060And we've kind of got into a situation, the pandemic was a very good example, where both of our political parties are saying, the state will look after you.
00:07:59.540From the moment of conception until death, the state will look after you.
00:08:05.800And for a lot of people, that's a very comforting message.
00:08:08.580You know, you won't, you know, don't worry, we'll put you on furlough.
00:08:11.320Don't worry, we'll compensate you for this, for that, for the other.
00:08:13.700But, um, and welfarism, you know, welfarism, I'm afraid, is making millions of people lazy.
00:08:23.900You know, I'm too fat, I'm too stupid, I'm too lazy, I don't get out of bed in the morning, I smoke drugs, give me money.
00:08:33.640I like the fact that he pointed at me.
00:09:07.560You know, I listen to, you hear Conservative politicians saying things like, oh, we, the Conservative Party, we don't want to leave debts to future generations.
00:09:35.280But every single year, the size of a national debt gets bigger.
00:09:38.440You've now, of course, got a rising interest rate environment, meaning, you know, even the repayments on debt are more than double our current defence budget.
00:10:46.500And that budget, there were 364 economists wrote to the Times to say, you know, this budget is a disaster.
00:10:53.400But the difference was Thatcher held, she held her position, you know, the ladies not for turning, that was that year of 81, and the back benches held.
00:11:06.000And what happened here is the back benches wobbled really quite quickly, because a lot of conservative back benches are basically globalists and listen to those big noises that come from the multinationals, from IMF, etc.
00:11:19.640And as soon as she sat Quarteng, it was over.
00:11:24.140Quarteng was out, Hunt was in, it was all over.
00:11:27.100I would much have preferred for her to hold her nerve.
00:11:59.140No, I mean, look, you know, they are, even PMQs every week, there are back benches, we need more money for this, the state must do more than that.
00:12:34.600There were three versions of social democracy.
00:12:38.980And social democracy is a soft form of socialism that says the state can do things better than you, as an individual, can do them for yourselves.
00:12:47.600And at the time, you know, my phrase was you can't put a cigarette paper between them.
00:12:52.480And everyone thinks that the Brexit insurgency was about Europe and immigration.
00:12:57.640Actually, it was about a whole raft of issues.
00:13:01.560And it's why UKIP was winning council seats, you know, district, county, seats on the Welsh Assembly, whatever it was,
00:13:08.480that we were questioning the whole narrative of where the national debate was.
00:13:12.680But the point about Brexit, and I think most people miss this, after three years of the establishment doing their best to overturn the result,
00:13:23.640because that's what they did, when I came back with the Brexit party, which is probably my proudest achievement, actually,
00:13:29.860to launch that thing, and it took off like a rocket, you know, six weeks, we won the election,
00:19:19.180What I do know is that when anybody tells you the science is settled, that is utterly moronic.
00:19:25.760But one of the reasons it's so difficult to get an open debate on this is when Tony Blair put the Broadcasting Act into law in 2001, which set up Ofcom, the regulator, etc.
00:19:39.000One of the areas over which national broadcasters do not need to provide due impartiality is the effect of CO2 on the environment and climate change.
00:19:53.560And that is why Sky News can run a whole climate hour.
00:19:57.280That is why Radio 4 can have programming all day that talks about the sheer certainty that what we are doing is leading to climate change.